The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1480

00:00:00.000 You come in here moving and shaking, man.

00:00:01.000 You come in here making deals.

00:00:02.000 You're on the phone already.

00:00:03.000 Gotta do it, Joe.

00:00:04.000 You're always moving.

00:00:05.000 I mean, is there anything else to do?

00:00:09.000 Is there anything else to do besides moving?

00:00:12.000 Now that you want to get ahead.

00:00:12.000 No, no.

00:00:13.000 Especially not now, man.

00:00:15.000 Hunters hunt.

00:00:16.000 Yes.

00:00:17.000 Those that don't get ate.

00:00:18.000 The last time you were here, man, that was one of the most inspirational podcasts I've ever done.

00:00:22.000 I left that.

00:00:23.000 I literally had a shift in the way I was looking at things.

00:00:26.000 Like you put an extra gear in my step that day.

00:00:28.000 I was like, oh, I love being around people like you.

00:00:32.000 My guy.

00:00:33.000 People around you, people like you, you're going for shit all the time.

00:00:37.000 And it's infectious.

00:00:39.000 It's like you give off energy.

00:00:42.000 And when people are around you, they want to get shit done too.

00:00:44.000 It's contagious.

00:00:45.000 It's not just me putting it out.

00:00:48.000 I think that the last time I was here, our conversation was such a great conversation because we both had point of views, right?

00:01:00.000 And when we shared the point of views, you elevated the other person's POV. Like when we were talking and I was telling you why I live the way I live, why I am the way I am, you springboarded.

00:01:14.000 Then you said, yeah, because Kev, for me, I've been doing this and we had this yin and yang thing going and it drove the conversation.

00:01:22.000 I told you, you know, before we jumped on, one of the best interviews that I've ever done and from a feedback perspective with people that just loved what the discussion was, uh, Loved the tone of the interview, the things that were said, felt inspired,

00:01:38.000 motivated after.

00:01:39.000 It was just great all around for me.

00:01:41.000 Checked all the boxes.

00:01:42.000 It was for me too, and I got a bunch of great responses from my friends.

00:01:45.000 That's when I know it's good, when I get friends, and my friends are all pretty unanimous.

00:01:49.000 They're like, that is a motivational motherfucker.

00:01:51.000 That dude gets shit done.

00:01:53.000 When people hear stuff like you, like someone who's excited about life, excited about doing things, there's something about that.

00:02:00.000 It's fuel.

00:02:01.000 It's fuel for people.

00:02:02.000 We need that.

00:02:03.000 Everyone needs that.

00:02:04.000 You know, this is not a cheesy segue.

00:02:09.000 This just makes sense from what you just said.

00:02:13.000 What you just said is the reason why I did the decision.

00:02:18.000 You said people need that it's fuel.

00:02:21.000 I feel that in today's time, what people are most selfish with is information.

00:02:28.000 Nobody wants to give information.

00:02:29.000 You gotta ask for it.

00:02:31.000 If you ask for it, then alright, maybe.

00:02:33.000 Maybe I'll tell you some stuff, but it's a search and find.

00:02:37.000 You mean real good information?

00:02:39.000 Real information.

00:02:40.000 Information about how to get to success.

00:02:44.000 That's the want from everybody across the board.

00:02:47.000 On some level.

00:02:48.000 Everybody's success is different.

00:02:50.000 This doesn't mean fame and stars.

00:02:53.000 I'm not talking about that level of success for everything.

00:02:55.000 I'm saying whatever your version of success is, to get to it, Information from someone that's done it or that's partaken in it in some degree will only add to the value of your journey.

00:03:09.000 It's only going to make it easier.

00:03:10.000 It's not to say that you got to do what they said, but with that information, you're able to process it.

00:03:17.000 Maybe use it, maybe not.

00:03:19.000 But you got it.

00:03:20.000 That's what I wanted to do.

00:03:21.000 I said, yo, I got a life.

00:03:24.000 I got a hell of a life that I've lived full of ups, downs, potholes, cobblestone speed bumps, flat roll, U-turns, some smack brick walls that I ran into, some revolving doors of back and forth.

00:03:41.000 And through it all, my mental has only gotten better.

00:03:45.000 Because I feel like I've been in a mental gym.

00:03:48.000 The mental fitness that coincides with life, you know, it should get better.

00:03:54.000 You should get wiser.

00:03:56.000 You should get smarter.

00:03:58.000 You should be able to make better decisions.

00:04:00.000 And all of my decisions came from the massive amount of fuck-ups.

00:04:05.000 And I can now share those fuck-ups.

00:04:08.000 I can now share the rights and the wrongs in the way that I handle all of the things that I've done.

00:04:14.000 And people can just take that information and go, wow, I never looked at it like that.

00:04:18.000 What gives them a better view of the landscape?

00:04:20.000 Yeah!

00:04:20.000 Especially when someone like you, you almost seem like an unattainable person.

00:04:24.000 Like, how does he do that?

00:04:26.000 How is he doing that?

00:04:27.000 How does this guy go from Philadelphia to be one of the biggest movie stars in the world?

00:04:31.000 How does he become one of the biggest stand-up comedy stars ever?

00:04:34.000 How the Why the fuck do you do that?

00:04:35.000 You almost seem like an alien to people on the outside.

00:04:38.000 But then when they hear you talk about your real life and talk about these fuck-ups, talk about these successes and talk about the lessons that you've learned, man, that's fuel for folks in a way that nothing else is because there's a lot of people that are bullshitting online.

00:04:50.000 There's a lot of these motivational speakers that haven't done shit.

00:04:53.000 And it's a weird thing.

00:04:55.000 It's like they're trying to give you motivation by sort of reciting things that they think are going to work.

00:05:02.000 That they think you want to hear.

00:05:04.000 They haven't done anything.

00:05:05.000 Someone who's done something, when you say it, people are going to listen.

00:05:10.000 They're going to go, oh, and you're so honest about everything.

00:05:14.000 That's everything to people because when you're pure, when your words are pure, people take them right in.

00:05:21.000 They come right in.

00:05:22.000 There's no like, oh, this guy's kind of fucking selling me something.

00:05:25.000 Oh, this guy's kind of full of shit.

00:05:26.000 I got nothing to sell.

00:05:28.000 I had a talk with...

00:05:31.000 Chase, like, Chase, J.B. Morgan Chase, a partner of mine, and we were doing this, well, not we were, we are, we're doing this thing called Advancing Black Pathways, right, where we're trying to cure financial literacy in the black community.

00:05:43.000 We've been, we're on, like, year number two right now, right?

00:05:46.000 And there was a conversation where, you know, they wanted to have said bankers go and talk to the kids in the inner city.

00:05:58.000 And I was like, you can't, you can't send A white man that works for JPMorgan Chase to the inner city of said community, hood, whatever, to talk to these young black kids that has no idea about the life that the black kids are living.

00:06:15.000 I said, what you need is people that have actually come from these environments.

00:06:19.000 They have made it out of the environment and now understand how money works.

00:06:25.000 Because now when I talk to you, I'm not talking to you with hypotheticals and I'm not preaching to you about what you should do and what you got to do.

00:06:34.000 I said, I'm telling you what I did that didn't work.

00:06:37.000 I'm telling you how I fucked off money and I'm telling you what I didn't know.

00:06:40.000 Hey guys, here's a fact.

00:06:42.000 There is no education that comes with money in the black communities.

00:06:45.000 It doesn't.

00:06:46.000 You can go search for it.

00:06:47.000 There isn't one.

00:06:48.000 It does not exist.

00:06:49.000 There is no one that is outright teaching the kids in a black community how to operate financially, how to set up for your future.

00:06:59.000 There is nobody talking to you about ownership, homes, mortgages, investments, stocks.

00:07:06.000 That doesn't exist.

00:07:08.000 It doesn't exist.

00:07:09.000 It's not until you get out of that environment that you meet some people that are planning their life accordingly that you start to ask questions.

00:07:19.000 It's not until maybe college and on the later side of it that you're with people that are getting jobs in the future that you start to do it.

00:07:27.000 There is no prep or education at a young age.

00:07:31.000 I said, so you need a fucking man that can go there and go, hey man, Let me tell you why y'all gotta stop taking these free credit cards.

00:07:40.000 Let me tell you why you gotta stop putting the cable in somebody else's name and continuing to fuck it up.

00:07:45.000 Let me tell you why you gotta stop being okay with not having a bank account.

00:07:51.000 Let me tell you why you gotta stop using the check cash in places.

00:07:53.000 There's nobody giving that information.

00:07:55.000 I said that's what I am.

00:07:56.000 So if we're going to have a relationship, let's build it off of something authentic.

00:08:00.000 Let's build it off of something that people can go, I get that.

00:08:04.000 Since then, to go back to your point, my relationship has been based on me telling the truth.

00:08:11.000 I told JPMorgan Chase, I want to go to the inner city and I want to have these discussions, but let me have them my way.

00:08:18.000 I don't want to have it in a JPMorgan Chase way.

00:08:21.000 And I got to credit them for backing me because they align me with other people that share the same stories, that have achieved certain levels of success, that speak to the same thing.

00:08:32.000 So everything that I've done, everything that I'm trying to do, when I do talk about it, I come proven.

00:08:40.000 I'm only talking about this because I really got knowledge about it.

00:08:43.000 I don't got knowledge about it because I'm the smartest motherfucker in the world.

00:08:45.000 That's not where the knowledge is coming from, Joe.

00:08:47.000 My knowledge is coming from, hey man, yo, don't walk through door number one.

00:08:52.000 I walked through that door.

00:08:54.000 There's a bunch of shit in that door.

00:08:56.000 It wasn't until I came out that door that I saw those monsters that I knew the other monsters weren't as bad in door number two.

00:09:05.000 But door number three is finally where you should go.

00:09:08.000 I messed up, man.

00:09:09.000 I went to the first two doors wrong.

00:09:12.000 Why can't I give that to somebody that hasn't experienced those doors yet?

00:09:17.000 Why can't I just give that information and possibly prevent them from walking into those doors?

00:09:21.000 And that's what's really valuable for people listening.

00:09:23.000 Yeah, man!

00:09:24.000 That's what's really valuable.

00:09:25.000 Someone has actually done it.

00:09:26.000 And done it wrong and done it right.

00:09:28.000 And like, hey, listen, I fucked up.

00:09:30.000 This is how I fucked up.

00:09:31.000 That means so much to people.

00:09:34.000 You're advancing people's possibilities.

00:09:37.000 I think that's what life...

00:09:39.000 Should be about.

00:09:41.000 As adults, we have a job to do.

00:09:47.000 Whether you want to admit it or not, your job is to set up the next generation.

00:09:54.000 That's our job.

00:09:55.000 Whether you want to fucking admit it or not, it's your kids, it's your friends, it's whomever.

00:10:01.000 You're supposed to live a certain way Do certain things to set up for the next generation to come and to be able to do better.

00:10:11.000 If you don't, then you're not doing your part.

00:10:15.000 And if the world never fucking grows, you got to raise your hand and be responsible.

00:10:21.000 Because you're a part of the lag.

00:10:24.000 You're part of the delay.

00:10:26.000 If we look up in 15, 20 years and we're in the same spot, what that means is that our fucking groundbreakers that was doing all the shit during that 15, 20 years never shared the information so that these new people could come through and break new ground.

00:10:40.000 Somebody gotta do more than what the fuck I did.

00:10:43.000 I don't care who it is.

00:10:44.000 Right.

00:10:44.000 But you gotta do more.

00:10:45.000 Right.

00:10:46.000 Somebody gotta fucking do more.

00:10:48.000 Somebody gotta break these records.

00:10:49.000 You already belayed the trail.

00:10:50.000 Yeah.

00:10:51.000 All I did was show you, hey man, hey, they stopped here, but I kept going to the left.

00:10:57.000 And I started hauling ass, and look what I found.

00:10:59.000 Now that I'm over here, that means there's more.

00:11:02.000 Did you have a time in your life where you realized that you were doing the right thing?

00:11:06.000 A time in your life where you realized, in your comedy career in particular, where you realized, I'm getting some fucking traction.

00:11:13.000 This is really rolling.

00:11:15.000 In the beginning, you probably, like all of us, were not sure what was going to happen.

00:11:19.000 You're trying.

00:11:20.000 You're doing open mics.

00:11:21.000 You're trying to make it.

00:11:22.000 Was there a time where you're like, this approach, this is happening.

00:11:27.000 I've got traction.

00:11:28.000 It was when...

00:11:29.000 I think the noticing of, oh shit, of something's happening right now.

00:11:37.000 And this is...

00:11:39.000 I think this is success.

00:11:41.000 I think I'm in it.

00:11:44.000 Was it around the time of your first special?

00:11:46.000 It wasn't.

00:11:46.000 It was when I did the Shaq All-Star Comedy Jam.

00:11:51.000 I just told somebody this story.

00:11:54.000 I was talking to Gary Owens, actually.

00:11:55.000 A good friend of mine, comedian.

00:11:57.000 And we were talking about the past.

00:12:00.000 And Gary was like, Kev, there was a moment where you just fucking just ran past everyone.

00:12:07.000 And he was like, I don't remember exactly what it was that did it.

00:12:12.000 He said, I just remember looking up and you were gone.

00:12:15.000 And I remember it was the Shaq.

00:12:19.000 All-Star Comedy Jam.

00:12:20.000 The lineup was Cedric The Entertainer.

00:12:22.000 He was hosting.

00:12:23.000 It was D-Ray Davis, Tommy Davison, and myself.

00:12:29.000 That's a hell of a lineup.

00:12:30.000 It was D-Ray Davison, Tommy Davison, myself.

00:12:33.000 Cedric The Entertainer was the host.

00:12:35.000 And I closed out the show.

00:12:37.000 And I remember going to do the show.

00:12:40.000 It was in Phoenix.

00:12:41.000 It was in the round.

00:12:42.000 And I had to do...

00:12:43.000 This is when I was about to tape Seriously Funny, my next special.

00:12:46.000 I have to grow a little man.

00:12:47.000 So Seriously Funny, I was taping in like four months.

00:12:49.000 It was already on the books.

00:12:51.000 So this is supposed to be it.

00:12:53.000 This is my big...

00:12:54.000 Coming out party.

00:12:55.000 This has to be it, man.

00:12:56.000 You know, I feel like I'm ready.

00:12:58.000 I've been working hard.

00:12:59.000 My jokes are hitting.

00:12:59.000 I'm raw.

00:13:00.000 I'm edgy.

00:13:01.000 This is it.

00:13:02.000 This is the one.

00:13:03.000 I'm fucking funny.

00:13:04.000 Seriously.

00:13:04.000 That's why I titled that.

00:13:06.000 Seriously funny.

00:13:07.000 I was ready.

00:13:08.000 I get the call from Jeff Klanigan.

00:13:12.000 Shaq's All-Star Comedy Jam.

00:13:13.000 We're taping it, Kev.

00:13:14.000 Dude, it's like 15, 20 minutes.

00:13:16.000 You know, can you do it for me?

00:13:18.000 And Jeff and I had a relationship.

00:13:20.000 And I was like, Jeff, I'm about to tape my special.

00:13:21.000 I don't want to burn that material.

00:13:23.000 He's like, Kev, look, you can use some other stuff.

00:13:25.000 15, 20 minutes, we tape it.

00:13:26.000 But, you know, these things get some good traction, good views.

00:13:30.000 It's some good eye candy.

00:13:31.000 You should just have it out there.

00:13:33.000 All right, whatever.

00:13:34.000 I wasn't even taking it serious.

00:13:36.000 This is not something that I was taking serious.

00:13:38.000 And this is an example of sometimes you don't know what it's going to be.

00:13:44.000 You don't know what the fuel in the rocket is going to be.

00:13:49.000 You just got to fucking buckle up and be prepared for the takeoff.

00:13:52.000 Now, if it take off and you don't know where the seatbelts are and you don't know where the lights and shit at, well, now you got a fucked up rocket ride.

00:14:00.000 You're going to crash.

00:14:01.000 It's over.

00:14:02.000 It's over if you're not ready.

00:14:04.000 I do it.

00:14:06.000 This thing airs and I remember watching it.

00:14:10.000 And at the end of the show, something so small seems so fucking big.

00:14:15.000 I say goodnight.

00:14:16.000 I put up two fingers.

00:14:18.000 And as I'm walking off the stage, they put it in slow motion.

00:14:22.000 They put me in slow motion walking off the stage.

00:14:26.000 And there was a separation from everything else that was on there.

00:14:30.000 It was almost like...

00:14:32.000 This guy is the guy.

00:14:34.000 It was a small tweak in editing.

00:14:38.000 I had nothing to do with it.

00:14:39.000 I just saw it.

00:14:40.000 And the slow motion walk off, the crowd getting up, clapping.

00:14:45.000 You see people's faces, slow motion, pointing, screaming.

00:14:49.000 And I'm walking off with like a bob.

00:14:53.000 And it was almost like a coined, this is it.

00:14:58.000 This is going to be the guy.

00:15:00.000 I didn't do it.

00:15:03.000 I didn't mean for it to happen.

00:15:04.000 I didn't know it was going to happen.

00:15:06.000 God bless the editors.

00:15:08.000 God bless the Shaq All-Star Comedy Jam.

00:15:12.000 After that aired, I remember doing a show at Caroline's.

00:15:16.000 This is a true fucking story.

00:15:18.000 Shout out to Louis from Caroline's Comedy Club.

00:15:21.000 I was just doing a weekend.

00:15:24.000 Weekend, you're supposed to be doing, you know, three shows.

00:15:26.000 We sold out 15 shows.

00:15:29.000 We sold out 15 fucking shows.

00:15:33.000 How the fuck did you do that?

00:15:35.000 We didn't know.

00:15:36.000 How many days?

00:15:37.000 We was there for like eight days!

00:15:40.000 We were there for like eight days.

00:15:42.000 Lewis can confirm this.

00:15:44.000 Caroline's Comedy Club.

00:15:46.000 That's crazy.

00:15:47.000 Michael Berkowitz can confirm this.

00:15:49.000 That's my public appearance agent.

00:15:52.000 We just kept getting calls.

00:15:54.000 We're gone.

00:15:54.000 We just put the tickets up for another show.

00:15:57.000 They're gone.

00:15:58.000 What?

00:15:59.000 What do you want to do?

00:16:00.000 We can add another.

00:16:01.000 You want to try to do a Wednesday night?

00:16:04.000 Yeah, go ahead.

00:16:05.000 It's gone.

00:16:06.000 Kevin, we added the Wednesday.

00:16:08.000 It's gone.

00:16:09.000 What do you want to do?

00:16:10.000 You want to see if we can add a late show Wednesday?

00:16:13.000 Yeah, fuck it, I guess.

00:16:15.000 It's gone!

00:16:17.000 Tuesday.

00:16:18.000 It went Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday.

00:16:22.000 We was in that bitch till goddamn Wednesday.

00:16:24.000 Oh.

00:16:25.000 Holy shit.

00:16:26.000 15 shows!

00:16:26.000 Caroline's Comedy Club!

00:16:27.000 What did that feel like when it was happening?

00:16:29.000 I'm going to say 12 to 15 shows.

00:16:31.000 I remember.

00:16:32.000 Because some of the days we could do one, some we could do two.

00:16:34.000 But you don't know.

00:16:36.000 I'm like, I can't even understand this.

00:16:39.000 Caroline's Comedy Club was a big comedy club.

00:16:41.000 This is New York City.

00:16:43.000 This is the melting pot where you got some of everybody.

00:16:47.000 After that is when me and Bert said, is this a New York thing?

00:16:53.000 Did the word get out in New York?

00:16:56.000 And we found out that Shaq's All-Star Comedy Jam was playing on showtime around the clock.

00:17:02.000 It was just being pumped all day, all night.

00:17:05.000 And we put up some shows outside, and the comedy club started flying.

00:17:09.000 We was adding shows.

00:17:10.000 We said, let's do small theaters.

00:17:12.000 And then I did small theaters.

00:17:14.000 And right after that moment, I taped Seriously Funny.

00:17:16.000 So Shaq's All-Star Comedy Jam hit so hard that by the time I was ready to do Seriously Funny, which was in three to four months, people were so hyped and ready to see me do something else that that became a massive attraction.

00:17:30.000 Wow.

00:17:31.000 Seriously Funny took off and blew as well.

00:17:33.000 That's great.

00:17:33.000 It's crazy that it was something that you weren't even really thinking of.

00:17:36.000 Not even thinking about it.

00:17:37.000 Maybe that's why it was so free, you know?

00:17:40.000 The shit that you don't...

00:17:41.000 No pressure.

00:17:42.000 Yeah, the shit that...

00:17:43.000 Now, by the way, seriously funny, I damn near shitted myself before the show.

00:17:47.000 I damn near defecated on myself before the show because I'm like, man, these people are here.

00:17:53.000 The theater sold out so fast.

00:17:54.000 I had LeBron, Shaq, the whole Cleveland Cavalier team was there at the time.

00:18:00.000 It was unreal.

00:18:01.000 I was like, this is...

00:18:03.000 This is it.

00:18:04.000 This is my moment.

00:18:05.000 I gotta make this a thing.

00:18:09.000 Wow.

00:18:10.000 I can't fuck this up.

00:18:12.000 I cannot fuck this up.

00:18:14.000 The show ended up going great, and then from there, the fucking star just continued to rise.

00:18:21.000 And that's when the engine within myself started the click of go-get, right?

00:18:30.000 Is this something you always had, the go-get?

00:18:32.000 I always had that.

00:18:34.000 Always had that.

00:18:35.000 I told you before, that's my mom.

00:18:36.000 R.I.P. Nancy Hart.

00:18:38.000 Don't tell me I can't do something, because now I'm pissed.

00:18:40.000 Okay.

00:18:41.000 Now I'm going to do it.

00:18:42.000 Don't tell me that.

00:18:43.000 And that's a gift and a curse.

00:18:45.000 That's a gift and a curse.

00:18:46.000 Like you saw in the doc, I don't know if you saw, but in my documentary, I put it all out there.

00:18:51.000 That's a curse.

00:18:52.000 Kev, don't put that video up.

00:18:53.000 Don't do that.

00:18:54.000 Don't tell me what the fuck not to do.

00:18:55.000 I'm going to do it.

00:18:56.000 And sometimes it don't do what you think it was going to do.

00:18:59.000 You don't know everything.

00:19:00.000 You don't know everything and you're not that great to think that you do know everything.

00:19:06.000 And you can get bit in the ass by thinking that.

00:19:08.000 But you gotta get bit to go, ooh, let me get better at that.

00:19:11.000 Yes.

00:19:12.000 So, my go get comes from me just saying, what's my reason not to go after everything that I possibly can?

00:19:24.000 I will stand on a fucking building and say this, man.

00:19:27.000 It's a game.

00:19:29.000 This thing is serious, but it's got a game-like quality to it.

00:19:36.000 This thing called life.

00:19:37.000 It's got a game-like quality to it.

00:19:40.000 And if you don't fucking see that, you better open your eyes.

00:19:43.000 You better open your fucking eyes.

00:19:45.000 Because in this life...

00:19:48.000 The moves that we're making allow you to do more, to get more, to see more, travel more, explore, experience.

00:20:01.000 Or some people are dealt a different hand and it's tougher.

00:20:06.000 It's a darker road and it's...

00:20:09.000 Damn it.

00:20:10.000 Fuck.

00:20:11.000 I want to get out of this.

00:20:12.000 I can't.

00:20:13.000 I'm doing...

00:20:13.000 How do I get out?

00:20:15.000 Fuck.

00:20:15.000 I made it.

00:20:16.000 Oh!

00:20:17.000 It looked like I wasn't supposed to get out, but I'm out.

00:20:19.000 Everybody say you can't get out of this shit.

00:20:21.000 I did.

00:20:22.000 I'm out.

00:20:23.000 I'm out.

00:20:23.000 I'm one of the people that got out.

00:20:24.000 It's a fucking...

00:20:25.000 It's got a real game-like quality to it.

00:20:29.000 And that doesn't mean that you play with it.

00:20:31.000 Understand what I'm saying here.

00:20:32.000 It means that you can do...

00:20:36.000 What you put your mind to, and if you continue to put your mind to it, the game opens up new levels.

00:20:43.000 Tell me I'm fucking saying something wrong.

00:20:45.000 You're saying something right.

00:20:46.000 You get a new level, and each new level that gets opened up, you're able to adapt a different mindset and a different approach.

00:20:54.000 You can stop at that level, or you can go, I want more levels.

00:20:59.000 I want more fucking levels.

00:21:01.000 I don't like seeing shit That I have no idea how to obtain or gain access to.

00:21:08.000 That frustrates me.

00:21:10.000 That frustrates me when people do things and I don't know how they do it or did it.

00:21:18.000 Whether I'm going to do it or not, I want to know.

00:21:21.000 When you're around people that work in different atmospheres, what do you do, man?

00:21:27.000 Oh, man, I'm the guy that takes these labels right here.

00:21:29.000 Simple labels right here.

00:21:31.000 I have a manufacturing company where I do these, but I do them in bulk.

00:21:36.000 So we do 1,000 labels every 30 seconds, and I built a manufacturing lab, and this company here pays me X on a dollar, and I got...

00:21:47.000 35 companies doing the same thing.

00:21:49.000 I've built a multi-million dollar business based off labels.

00:21:52.000 People don't understand how important labels are.

00:21:54.000 I did at a young age, so I started manufacturing labels.

00:21:59.000 You can manufacture fucking labels?

00:22:01.000 Now I'm intrigued.

00:22:03.000 Even if I didn't want to do that, I'm intrigued that that's a thing.

00:22:07.000 I'm intrigued.

00:22:08.000 I'm intrigued that you found a way to do that.

00:22:13.000 This table.

00:22:15.000 Is it handmade?

00:22:16.000 Does a company do these?

00:22:17.000 Is it fucking custom?

00:22:19.000 Where's the wood from?

00:22:20.000 If you really dig into everything, it comes from a thought.

00:22:24.000 It comes from a broken down thought.

00:22:27.000 So you can be a person that's just around a bunch of brilliant thoughts and never ask questions.

00:22:31.000 Or you can soak some of that shit up.

00:22:34.000 You know what this pandemic showed me, Joe?

00:22:38.000 How our economy really fucking works.

00:22:42.000 Once again, I'm coming from the perspective of a young black man from the hood.

00:22:45.000 I'm from the bottom.

00:22:47.000 I don't know shit about stocks.

00:22:48.000 I don't know nothing about investments.

00:22:50.000 Never have, right?

00:22:52.000 But I know through this pandemic, now that I'm at a point where I'm actually into stocks and I'm investing and putting a portfolio together, well, I really looked at the way that the world moves.

00:23:03.000 I really looked at how we move as people.

00:23:06.000 How are we fucking still going?

00:23:09.000 What are we using?

00:23:11.000 What are we fucking using?

00:23:12.000 This is what I said to my kids.

00:23:13.000 I said, what are you still using?

00:23:14.000 What do you mean?

00:23:15.000 On a day-to-day, what do we have to use?

00:23:18.000 Tell me the things we have to use.

00:23:20.000 Toothpaste.

00:23:21.000 Who makes the toothpaste?

00:23:23.000 They told me who made the toothpaste.

00:23:25.000 Is that a company that you can invest in?

00:23:27.000 Do you feel like everybody uses this toothpaste?

00:23:30.000 If you do, that means that this is a company that's been successful and may be successful for a long time because this is a necessary need of everyone.

00:23:37.000 That's an investment, kids.

00:23:39.000 What else do we use?

00:23:41.000 What else do we use every day?

00:23:43.000 Where do you go?

00:23:44.000 What do you like?

00:23:45.000 In the mornings?

00:23:46.000 Starbucks?

00:23:47.000 Is that an investment?

00:23:48.000 Do you feel like everybody drinks Starbucks?

00:23:51.000 We drink it all the time.

00:23:53.000 You feel like everybody else does too?

00:23:54.000 I think so.

00:23:55.000 That's an investment.

00:23:57.000 That's what you put money in because you feel like it's going to last, it's going to grow.

00:24:01.000 What stores do we go to?

00:24:04.000 Where are we always at?

00:24:05.000 Target?

00:24:06.000 How many people in Target when we go?

00:24:08.000 A lot.

00:24:10.000 Is that an investment?

00:24:12.000 I guess.

00:24:13.000 Why do you guess?

00:24:14.000 At this point, you should know.

00:24:16.000 We talk about it all the time.

00:24:18.000 Why do you think it's an investment, Dad?

00:24:19.000 Why do you think it's not?

00:24:21.000 I'm talking to you about putting money in places where you feel like it's going to grow.

00:24:26.000 Do you feel like targets are going to shut down tomorrow?

00:24:28.000 Or do you feel like they're going to open more stores?

00:24:31.000 How do you feel?

00:24:32.000 This is a thing that I watch.

00:24:34.000 And this is a thing that I also watch people ignore.

00:24:38.000 This is what's wrong with our world because we don't talk to people enough like this.

00:24:45.000 We don't give them the simplicity behind the way we fucking move and the way the world goes around.

00:24:52.000 If we did get the simplicity, then we could have people taking $20 out their check and creating a portfolio.

00:24:59.000 We could have people taking $40 to $50 out their check and putting it in said thing.

00:25:05.000 Said stock, said thing.

00:25:07.000 Whatever it is, you can be doing it at a younger age.

00:25:09.000 You don't have to have the most crazy amount of money.

00:25:12.000 It can start off with the smallest amounts of money, but you can learn it that can grow.

00:25:16.000 I watch it.

00:25:18.000 I pay attention.

00:25:21.000 That's what gets me fucking going, Joe.

00:25:24.000 I pay attention to everything.

00:25:28.000 My question is, why don't most of us?

00:25:30.000 Why are we comfortable with letting the world just go by?

00:25:34.000 I think a lot of people don't have the framework.

00:25:36.000 They don't know how to operate in that realm.

00:25:39.000 They don't know how to get going.

00:25:40.000 They don't know how to get started.

00:25:41.000 Information.

00:25:41.000 Yeah.

00:25:42.000 But I love what you said about it being there's a game-like quality to life.

00:25:45.000 That's such a perfect way to look at it.

00:25:47.000 It really is.

00:25:48.000 You played the game.

00:25:49.000 Yeah.

00:25:50.000 You played the game for how many years, Joe?

00:25:52.000 How many years are you on your podcast?

00:25:54.000 Eleven.

00:25:54.000 Eleven years, right?

00:25:56.000 I'm going to give you a very true story.

00:25:59.000 And to my brothers, the Plastic Cup boys, we got our radio show, Straight From the Heart.

00:26:03.000 I'm constantly preaching to us about it's not about now.

00:26:09.000 It's about tomorrow.

00:26:11.000 Our radio show is a good radio show and we have a following but it's not about now.

00:26:17.000 It's about tomorrow.

00:26:18.000 We got to put the work in today so that when tomorrow comes we are well equipped for the conversation that may be.

00:26:28.000 I said Joe had a fucking long ride of preparing for tomorrow.

00:26:36.000 And when tomorrow hit, it had to hit correctly because Joe never not did the work on a day-to-day basis to prepare for tomorrow.

00:26:49.000 I got everybody fired up just off of the fact that you continue to do your thing the way that you were, regardless of conversations, regardless of other offers and possibilities.

00:27:00.000 You felt something else was on the horizon for tomorrow.

00:27:03.000 But you knew it would come based off of your energy and effort that you put into the thing that you have.

00:27:09.000 Realistically, I don't look at it that way.

00:27:10.000 How do you look at it?

00:27:11.000 I never look at a destination or a thing or something happening.

00:27:15.000 I just keep doing it.

00:27:16.000 I'm one of those weird grinders.

00:27:18.000 That's not weird.

00:27:19.000 That's a way for you to go.

00:27:21.000 But I trust the process, but I don't ever look at it like there's a destination, like a success moment, like a big thing.

00:27:27.000 A big thing hits.

00:27:29.000 I just keep doing it and those things sort of find their own way through management and agents and I've put very little thinking into that.

00:27:37.000 I put almost all my thinking into just doing the thing the best way that I can do it.

00:27:42.000 Metaphor for you then.

00:27:44.000 You're an amazing fucking fighter.

00:27:47.000 You are, I mean, I don't know how many black belts you fucking got.

00:27:51.000 I just know I wouldn't fuck with you.

00:27:53.000 But you got some shit with you, right?

00:27:56.000 And if you are practicing a kick or a move, if you do it, Let's say 200,000 times to make sure you get it perfect.

00:28:10.000 Are you doing that and figuring that out for the unknown or is it for, if I ever have to use it, I want it to be so fucking right.

00:28:19.000 Yeah, that's always there.

00:28:21.000 That's always there.

00:28:21.000 But the thing is always the technique.

00:28:24.000 The thing is always the process.

00:28:25.000 I think that's where I got this from podcasting and even from stand-up.

00:28:29.000 It's just the grind.

00:28:30.000 The process.

00:28:31.000 It comes from martial arts.

00:28:32.000 The grind is like you've got to be there every day.

00:28:34.000 If you're there three days a week, it's not as good as five.

00:28:37.000 You've got to be there five days a week.

00:28:38.000 And five might be better than seven, because sometimes seven you burn out.

00:28:42.000 You want to keep enthusiasm, because that's a fuel.

00:28:45.000 There's something about enthusiasm that you've got to balance discipline and enthusiasm.

00:28:50.000 Discipline's critical.

00:28:51.000 You have to be able to show up, but you also have to enjoy the shit out of it.

00:28:55.000 And so enjoying the shit out of it with discipline is the key.

00:28:59.000 But you've got to ride those babies out, you know?

00:29:02.000 You don't want to fuck every day.

00:29:03.000 Take a couple days off.

00:29:04.000 Take a couple days off.

00:29:05.000 Want it, you know, like people fuck every day.

00:29:09.000 You don't even know what fucking feels like.

00:29:11.000 Take three, four days off and smoke a joint and make out with your woman.

00:29:15.000 Get some energy back into it.

00:29:18.000 Do you feel like, and this is something that, you know, I never have a good I have an okay answer, but I don't feel like it's ever the best answer.

00:29:30.000 When people say, well, what do you do when you're not doing what you love, right?

00:29:34.000 And what I've said in the past and in the present as well is I think in order to do what you love, You gotta get through the obstacles of the things that you don't love.

00:29:47.000 In life, as you're trying to come up.

00:29:49.000 Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask.

00:29:50.000 Do you agree with that?

00:29:52.000 Getting over those hurdles and then eventually they lead you to the thing where you're like, okay, now I'm ready to pursue said thing that I want to do.

00:30:02.000 Or if you're in a job or a career and you're like, I fucking hate my job.

00:30:07.000 What I feel is like, even if you hate your job, You're supposed to be using that job for something to get to something, right?

00:30:17.000 And if you're not, then that should be the thing that you're figuring out.

00:30:22.000 Like, I don't like being here, but now that I'm here, I'm going to...

00:30:29.000 Do all that I can to get said thing so that I can then be comfortable enough to move here.

00:30:36.000 If you just go into those things with hate, because you were talking about enthusiasm, it made me think about it.

00:30:42.000 If you just got hate and you're just angry about what you're doing every day, then you're not even allowing yourself to figure out the plan of how to escape the thing that you hate to get to the thing that you love.

00:30:54.000 Yeah, I think it's important to have those jobs that suck, man.

00:30:58.000 They like cement your foundation.

00:31:01.000 Lifeguard.

00:31:02.000 Because you don't want to go back to those fucking places.

00:31:04.000 You don't want to go back to those terrible jobs where you got to get up and be uninspired all day long.

00:31:08.000 But if you can get through that, that's this rigid structure of discipline that allows you to apply that discipline to the things you love.

00:31:18.000 If you can apply discipline and learn how to apply it to something that sucks, And get free.

00:31:23.000 Have a game plan and get free.

00:31:24.000 Once you get free, you have that ability to get up and do things that suck.

00:31:28.000 Guess what?

00:31:29.000 You're gonna get up and do things you love easier.

00:31:32.000 Even more.

00:31:33.000 And you're gonna remember construction sites and delivering newspapers and all the stupid jobs that I worked.

00:31:39.000 I think about those fucking things when I get up in the morning.

00:31:41.000 When I'm brushing my teeth, I think about them.

00:31:44.000 That's the fucking game.

00:31:45.000 No.

00:31:46.000 That's the game.

00:31:47.000 That's why you gotta get through it.

00:31:48.000 You have to.

00:31:50.000 I say this, man, it's the story.

00:31:55.000 You're just putting that story together.

00:31:56.000 I don't think, you know, without the stories, what do you talk about?

00:32:03.000 What do you talk about?

00:32:05.000 What is the interesting side of conversation about your Growth or your journey.

00:32:16.000 If it's just the easiest...

00:32:19.000 I just took the highway and got off at the exit and right through the exit I found the gold.

00:32:23.000 Everybody else did.

00:32:23.000 It's no...

00:32:24.000 Or my dad was rich and I have a trust fund and I never have to work ever.

00:32:28.000 What is the interesting side to that?

00:32:32.000 There is no bonus in that.

00:32:36.000 I just fucking broke my goddamn back.

00:32:40.000 The dopest thing for me about doing that...

00:32:44.000 Was not being able to walk, but then being told that if I'm patient, I can recover fully.

00:32:51.000 I can get back to myself.

00:32:54.000 And me instantly thinking in my head, I can actually be better than what I was.

00:32:59.000 If he's telling me I can get back to 100%, I'm going to be better.

00:33:02.000 So the game instantly clicked on.

00:33:04.000 Alright, tomorrow we start, we play.

00:33:07.000 New level.

00:33:08.000 I can't fucking walk.

00:33:10.000 God damn, here we go.

00:33:12.000 Can't wipe my ass.

00:33:13.000 I'm not fucking getting it.

00:33:14.000 They say I can't get in the gym.

00:33:16.000 PT is some weird shit.

00:33:18.000 I'm just taking two steps on a fucking booster ball.

00:33:21.000 Alright, this is a little discouraging.

00:33:23.000 But I know they said I'm supposed to do it three days.

00:33:26.000 I'm going to listen to them.

00:33:27.000 But on those other four days, is there anything else that I can do to be working on?

00:33:32.000 Kevin, you can strengthen your lungs up working on your breathing.

00:33:34.000 Here's a breathing machine.

00:33:35.000 Okay.

00:33:36.000 What about my hands?

00:33:37.000 Is there any way my sense is tennis ball?

00:33:40.000 Can I be squeezing?

00:33:41.000 Should I be doing anything?

00:33:42.000 No, we don't have anything like that.

00:33:44.000 We don't recommend it.

00:33:45.000 So if I found something and I researched, if it's just motor skills and working on it, is that fine?

00:33:51.000 Yeah, that's fine.

00:33:53.000 But, you know, it's okay if that's what you want to do.

00:33:56.000 Okay.

00:33:57.000 I saw that, yeah, I'm not getting the same.

00:33:59.000 The doctors are just telling me the stuff that I need to know.

00:34:01.000 Stay within those lines.

00:34:02.000 I'm going to find other things that I can do because I'm playing the game now.

00:34:05.000 I'm never going to overexert myself, but the game is to be better.

00:34:09.000 How do I be better than what I was?

00:34:11.000 Because if I do that, ooh, fuck.

00:34:12.000 For me, I just beat me.

00:34:15.000 Yeah.

00:34:16.000 This ain't about nobody else.

00:34:18.000 I don't give a fuck about nobody else.

00:34:19.000 I just beat me.

00:34:20.000 If I can keep beating myself, pause, if I can keep doing that, then that means that I'm in a battle with the only person that fucking makes sense.

00:34:33.000 I'm in a battle with the only person That I really want to fucking be, and that's me.

00:34:40.000 I don't care about anybody else.

00:34:43.000 I have no worry or gripe about the next man or woman's journey or their level of success.

00:34:52.000 That's not what I'm up against.

00:34:54.000 If I can continue to outdo me from the day before, then I'm ahead.

00:35:02.000 And that's the newfound energy that I got out of life now.

00:35:09.000 I'm on this amazing Rocky story with myself.

00:35:13.000 It's in my head.

00:35:14.000 Nobody else is watching this movie but me.

00:35:16.000 It's in my head.

00:35:18.000 This is Rocky.

00:35:19.000 This is the comeback.

00:35:20.000 This is exactly what I saw in the movie.

00:35:22.000 I'm going to come back better than ever.

00:35:24.000 I'm going to be 41. My body's going to be ripped up.

00:35:27.000 I'm going to be about 8% body fat.

00:35:30.000 And then I'm ready.

00:35:32.000 Ready for what, Kevin?

00:35:35.000 I don't fucking know.

00:35:36.000 Ready to be better than you were before.

00:35:37.000 I don't know, but that's what I want.

00:35:40.000 I want that day to be like, yeah!

00:35:42.000 Now what?

00:35:43.000 And then I figure out what?

00:35:45.000 I figure out what that what is then.

00:35:47.000 Tell me, when you got injured, you were explaining it to me before the podcast, but I didn't want to talk too much about it because I wanted to hear it now so everybody could hear it.

00:35:58.000 What exactly was the injury?

00:36:01.000 I fractured my spine, right?

00:36:06.000 And it's either from my T10 to my L1 or from my L1 to my T10, whatever order that goes in.

00:36:13.000 So I... How many fractures is that?

00:36:15.000 I mean, that's fucking...

00:36:16.000 That's your spine.

00:36:17.000 That's about...

00:36:18.000 So you fractured basically everything.

00:36:19.000 I mean, you got like this much space in my back.

00:36:23.000 So you got to think, first of all, I'm already small.

00:36:26.000 So this is practically my whole back, if you look at this right here.

00:36:29.000 If you look at this, this is practically my whole back.

00:36:31.000 So all of this fractured.

00:36:33.000 And what happens is they had to fuse my spine.

00:36:39.000 So do they have to remove the discs in between?

00:36:42.000 They basically had to fix...

00:36:46.000 So the bones where it's fractured, basically your spine is now out of whack.

00:36:51.000 The things that keep your spine connected and that allow you the flexibility are out of whack.

00:36:58.000 I got pieces of those bone fragments that are out of place out.

00:37:01.000 So they gotta fuse that shit back together.

00:37:05.000 So I got eight screws.

00:37:06.000 Do they take the disc material out and compress it and then screw them all?

00:37:10.000 So is the bone all one piece now?

00:37:12.000 I think I'm one.

00:37:14.000 I don't know about the disc.

00:37:16.000 I don't have that answer.

00:37:18.000 That's a little too technical for me.

00:37:20.000 And I should know that because it was my body.

00:37:21.000 But what I do know is that this thing that's my spine has eight screws.

00:37:28.000 And these eight screws now hold it together.

00:37:31.000 So through this time of healing, because I now have metal in my back, it was about getting your back to be comfortable with the metal, but also back to a normal level of flexibility.

00:37:44.000 So where people fuck up, when you get this type of energy and you stay still, you allow that metal to get stiff.

00:37:51.000 You're not moving it.

00:37:53.000 So now your movements become robotic with it.

00:37:57.000 So because as soon as I got out the hospital, I started.

00:38:02.000 I didn't have days off.

00:38:05.000 As soon as I got out...

00:38:07.000 I started physical therapy.

00:38:09.000 I did not wait.

00:38:10.000 I got off medication.

00:38:12.000 I said, I'm not taking on meds.

00:38:14.000 You know, my dad was on drugs.

00:38:15.000 I was like, I'm not fucking around with that.

00:38:17.000 So I dealt with the pain, but I said, I gotta start now because every day that I wait, Makes it harder to go.

00:38:24.000 So because I was, you know, back and forth, side to side, doing all of those things, I got my body to get accustomed to it.

00:38:33.000 And I got flexibility.

00:38:34.000 So now when you see me working out, it looks as if I'm back.

00:38:37.000 And, you know, I'm probably 98% back to myself right now.

00:38:41.000 But the work that I put into my core and my upper body over the years are what saved me Outside of God, of course, in that situation.

00:38:52.000 Because, you know, I want to tell this people, just for you to know, this health and wellness shit is so much bigger than Then what you may think it is taking care of your body you don't know When all of that stuff comes into play and adds up correctly,

00:39:09.000 you know the the human body is amazing Recovery the ability to snap back and go back to what it once was the body muscle memory all of that stuff plays a major factor so my healing Was a lot faster because of the years of work that I put into it before.

00:39:31.000 Now, if I had enough and I didn't have that core, well, I'd be paralyzed.

00:39:36.000 I'd be fucking paralyzed.

00:39:38.000 I mean, they said, you're literally talking about this much.

00:39:41.000 Doctor, look me in the eyes.

00:39:42.000 You're lucky to be walking.

00:39:43.000 You're this much.

00:39:45.000 If your core wasn't in the shape that it was, and if you didn't have the strength to take whatever that impact was and stay, you would have been snapped and you would never be walking again.

00:39:59.000 So that instantly, thank God, I go, you know what?

00:40:04.000 Thank God for my trainer who jumped into my life at a certain time and changed my way of thinking.

00:40:11.000 Boss, Ronald Boss Everline.

00:40:13.000 And, you know, we've been rocking for seven years and the consistency of four years before of every day.

00:40:22.000 Every day.

00:40:23.000 So now I'm like, you're not wasting your time ever.

00:40:27.000 So when those people say, what are you working out for?

00:40:29.000 What are you getting in shape for?

00:40:30.000 Why are you going every day?

00:40:33.000 You don't know when you're gonna need to fucking tap into all of the work that you've done.

00:40:38.000 You don't know.

00:40:38.000 You don't know if you'll ever need it.

00:40:41.000 But to just know that you've taken care of yourself, to know that you've given yourself a chance to fucking not only survive, but perform.

00:40:54.000 You've given yourself a chance to perform at a high level in the day-to-day by taking care of your engine.

00:41:00.000 This is my machine.

00:41:03.000 So I'm taking care of the engine.

00:41:05.000 Just like any car.

00:41:07.000 Oil changes, just like, you know, your fucking, your brakes, your tires, the rotors, all of that shit.

00:41:13.000 You taking care of that so that it's a great ride every time.

00:41:16.000 You gotta do the same with your body.

00:41:19.000 Don't ignore that shit, people.

00:41:20.000 You know, we dropping like flies right now.

00:41:23.000 Heart attacks, strokes, you know, kidney failure.

00:41:27.000 You got people with diabetes.

00:41:28.000 You got people getting legs or arms cut off from bad eating, from bad eating over the course of years.

00:41:37.000 Take that shit serious.

00:41:40.000 Don't wait till the end.

00:41:41.000 That's serious.

00:41:43.000 That's not a joke.

00:41:46.000 So when I look at people dying around me, we have no control over when the day is going to come, but I'm going to try to help amplify my time here as much as I can.

00:41:56.000 That's the big one, right?

00:41:57.000 Amplify your time.

00:41:58.000 You have energy.

00:41:59.000 You have a different kind of energy than someone who's unhealthy.

00:42:02.000 You have the ability to push forward.

00:42:03.000 You have the ability to get shit done.

00:42:05.000 You have more enthusiasm because your body feels good.

00:42:07.000 Why do you not...

00:42:10.000 I want to be careful the way I say this because I don't want to seem like I'm coming down on anybody that's not.

00:42:17.000 But why don't you want to take care of yourself?

00:42:19.000 I think they do.

00:42:20.000 I think it's just habits are very hard to break.

00:42:23.000 There's a lot of comfort in just the same thing every day.

00:42:26.000 Open up the cabinet, Twinkies, fuck it.

00:42:28.000 I'll start tomorrow.

00:42:29.000 Fuck it.

00:42:30.000 I feel like eating those chips.

00:42:32.000 And you just settle into it.

00:42:33.000 And then there's this disappointment that comes from settling in.

00:42:37.000 And it's comfort and it's disappointment at the same time.

00:42:39.000 You're like, well, I guess that's me.

00:42:41.000 And you accept it.

00:42:42.000 And I think sometimes people are scared of improvement because they're scared of failure.

00:42:46.000 So if they can just kind of slide into the same bullshit every day, it makes them feel less uneasy.

00:42:54.000 You know what?

00:42:55.000 What I say and what I will say goes back to the decision, goes back to information.

00:43:02.000 It's not bad if you want those things.

00:43:05.000 I don't think that people are supposed to live a robotic life and, you know, I don't eat this ever and I don't do this.

00:43:13.000 Well, I was pointing to The Rock in his fucking cheat days.

00:43:16.000 I mean, his fucking cheat days.

00:43:17.000 First of all, he eats for a village.

00:43:19.000 That son of a bitch.

00:43:19.000 Well, he is a village.

00:43:20.000 It's unreal what he puts down when he puts down.

00:43:23.000 And that's what I'm saying.

00:43:24.000 You should enjoy yourself and enjoy your life.

00:43:29.000 But I think that there...

00:43:32.000 Should be a give and take.

00:43:34.000 Like, alright, I'm going to eat the way I want to eat.

00:43:36.000 I'm not compromising that because I love food.

00:43:39.000 But let me put a half hour in a day.

00:43:42.000 Of walking.

00:43:43.000 Let me do something so where I'm active, so there's at least a give and take.

00:43:48.000 That's what I would say to people out there.

00:43:51.000 I'm not saying in no way, shape or form, don't do this ever and that's wrong and you're living, you're gonna destroy yourself.

00:43:57.000 No, that's unrealistic.

00:43:59.000 That's unrealistic.

00:44:00.000 I think you should definitely be happy.

00:44:02.000 You should definitely do the things that you enjoy.

00:44:05.000 Because like I said, In my mind, this is a game.

00:44:08.000 You're playing the game.

00:44:09.000 Be happy while you're playing it.

00:44:10.000 Don't be miserable.

00:44:11.000 One way to play the game is to challenge yourself.

00:44:13.000 Give yourself a month.

00:44:14.000 Write down for a month.

00:44:15.000 For one month, I'm not drinking a single soda.

00:44:17.000 For one month, I'm going to do something, some exercise every day, and I'm going to write down what it is.

00:44:21.000 For one month.

00:44:22.000 The fucking game.

00:44:24.000 Yeah.

00:44:25.000 Here's how I think.

00:44:26.000 I don't know if that's a book title or not.

00:44:28.000 Or if it hasn't, has been or hasn't.

00:44:31.000 But God damn it, that could be my next one.

00:44:34.000 The Game.

00:44:35.000 Yeah.

00:44:36.000 Now I know you guys are hearing this.

00:44:37.000 I think it may be.

00:44:39.000 But maybe, you know, The Game of Life.

00:44:43.000 That's something.

00:44:44.000 But it's something there.

00:44:46.000 It's such a synergy thing.

00:44:49.000 Within that...

00:44:50.000 Maybe just call it game.

00:44:51.000 Something.

00:44:52.000 It's there.

00:44:53.000 Your statement of there's a game-like quality to life resonates.

00:44:56.000 It's true.

00:44:57.000 As soon as you said that, I was like, ooh, that's it.

00:44:59.000 That's the way to look at it.

00:45:00.000 Don't just look at it like life.

00:45:02.000 Look at it like you're trying to succeed.

00:45:04.000 You're trying to get ahead and win.

00:45:05.000 The game-like quality of life.

00:45:07.000 That's it.

00:45:08.000 It's a dope thing.

00:45:10.000 I'm going to really harp on that.

00:45:12.000 So you're recovering from your back injury.

00:45:15.000 How long ago was the injury?

00:45:17.000 How long ago was the crash now?

00:45:18.000 September.

00:45:19.000 So what is that?

00:45:20.000 September, October, November, December, January, February, March, April.

00:45:23.000 What's this?

00:45:24.000 May?

00:45:24.000 Yeah, so only eight months.

00:45:26.000 It was about to be June, so about to be nine.

00:45:28.000 About to get into nine.

00:45:29.000 And you said you're like 98%?

00:45:31.000 98%.

00:45:31.000 I'm down to probably 10% body fat right now.

00:45:37.000 And as far as like movement, you can basically do everything?

00:45:39.000 I'm doing everything.

00:45:40.000 Wow.

00:45:41.000 Doing everything.

00:45:42.000 I'm up to running again.

00:45:43.000 I'm probably at...

00:45:44.000 I'm probably at three...

00:45:47.000 I can go three and a half miles straight before I'm like, ooh!

00:45:50.000 The back starts to bother you?

00:45:51.000 Yeah, before I get tight.

00:45:52.000 And what are you doing for the back?

00:45:54.000 Are you doing yoga?

00:45:54.000 Are you doing...

00:45:55.000 What kind of exercises are you doing?

00:45:56.000 I got physical therapy.

00:45:57.000 You know, that's random.

00:45:58.000 Shout out to Dr. Pat.

00:46:00.000 You know, I make sure that getting the massages, getting the work done...

00:46:05.000 Because I'm doing so much within working out, I don't want to not take care of that as well.

00:46:11.000 So from heating it, from treatment, just literally doing things to make sure that I'm constantly working on those muscles and not forgetting them.

00:46:23.000 I'm getting older.

00:46:24.000 I don't want to act like that's not...

00:46:27.000 I'm 40 now.

00:46:29.000 So how do I take care of this machine?

00:46:32.000 So at 50, I'm not moving as if I'm 70. I'll say that's been a great adjustment.

00:46:42.000 But one that's really made me feel better, like stretching.

00:46:46.000 You know, I didn't understand the importance of stretching, of actually resting.

00:46:52.000 You know, I was, gotta get it.

00:46:54.000 Let's go.

00:46:54.000 Let's go time.

00:46:55.000 Weights.

00:46:56.000 Hit it.

00:46:57.000 Clanging and banging, baby.

00:46:58.000 Clanging and banging.

00:46:59.000 But now, you know, make sure you get your rest time so that you can come back and give the energy.

00:47:05.000 Your cardio changes.

00:47:07.000 I'm on a bike.

00:47:11.000 I'm Pelotoning.

00:47:13.000 I'm Hydroing.

00:47:14.000 I'm running.

00:47:15.000 So the workouts change and you become more consistent with your system, with my new system.

00:47:23.000 So I think by July, July, my goal is for my 41st birthday, that's July 6th, to be around 8, 8.5% body fat at the age of 41. So it's all about looking good with the body fat?

00:47:41.000 For me, the body fat means that I've just been super focused.

00:47:45.000 I eat.

00:47:47.000 I don't want people to think that I don't eat.

00:47:48.000 I'm not a foodie, though, so it doesn't really count, but I'm not on some strict, crazy diet.

00:47:54.000 You're not a foodie like you don't enjoy...

00:47:56.000 I'm not a foodie, man.

00:47:57.000 I don't eat red meat.

00:47:58.000 Really?

00:47:59.000 I eat no red meat, no fish, no seafood.

00:48:03.000 I'm a plant-based eater.

00:48:06.000 Everything's plant.

00:48:07.000 I'll go chicken every once in a while.

00:48:09.000 I'll dabble into my chicken.

00:48:10.000 And that's what people don't understand.

00:48:12.000 I don't think people really...

00:48:14.000 Get that or understand that.

00:48:16.000 It's like just because you make the decision to go and try plant-based doesn't mean that you have to engulf in that world.

00:48:25.000 Learn it.

00:48:25.000 Understand it.

00:48:26.000 And see if there's benefits that work for you.

00:48:29.000 I stopped eating red meat so much because I learned that I didn't have to have it.

00:48:34.000 I thought that I needed it.

00:48:36.000 To survive.

00:48:37.000 That's what I was under the mindset.

00:48:39.000 Like, if I don't eat this, things are going to change for me.

00:48:42.000 That's what I thought.

00:48:43.000 But once I found out there was protein and things and other foods and other resources, and then I started to learn more about the plant-based food space, I was like, I'm going to give it a try.

00:48:56.000 And I started trying to Beyond Meat.

00:48:58.000 And I fucking fell in love with Beyond Meat.

00:49:00.000 I was like, I don't feel a difference.

00:49:01.000 Let me tell you something right now.

00:49:02.000 Those Beyond Meat things are not good for you.

00:49:04.000 I love them.

00:49:05.000 I'm sure you do.

00:49:06.000 I love them.

00:49:06.000 I'm sure you enjoy them.

00:49:07.000 That's fine.

00:49:08.000 I love them.

00:49:08.000 If you're going to be plant-based, that's not the way to go.

00:49:11.000 In terms of the overall health, it's not bad if you want just taste.

00:49:14.000 If you enjoy just mouth pleasure.

00:49:17.000 But they're not good for you.

00:49:19.000 It's all oils.

00:49:21.000 It's all this plant-based oils, and it's all processed and weird.

00:49:25.000 Just eat vegetables.

00:49:26.000 What you are is a very smart man, so I would never challenge the information that you may have that I don't have.

00:49:33.000 So now, after being told such a thing, I would look and see for myself.

00:49:39.000 But I can say to date...

00:49:42.000 I love the Beyond option because it's not only taking the place of the meat.

00:49:49.000 I like the different versions of it that's available.

00:49:53.000 As long as you're enjoying it.

00:49:55.000 Nothing wrong with something you're enjoying.

00:49:56.000 You're obviously very healthy.

00:49:57.000 Yeah, I can say I haven't seen...

00:49:59.000 I'll put it this way.

00:50:01.000 Since going plant-based and...

00:50:04.000 Jumping into that space and choosing that.

00:50:06.000 Because there was a moment where you had the impossible, you had the beyond, and you had all this stuff that was out there, and you're trying everything.

00:50:13.000 I liked that one the most.

00:50:15.000 So after liking the beyond one the most, then I said, let me see if I can be more consistent.

00:50:21.000 Since doing that, I've seen a significant change in just being...

00:50:31.000 More vibrant, more up and at it.

00:50:35.000 Like, you know, my days were always long, so there used to be a wall that I would hit.

00:50:39.000 You know, when I was eating and I was red meat, whether it be the burger patty without the bun, whether it was steak and eggs for protein, whatever it was, I would always hit a wall a day where, you know, I'm dozing.

00:50:51.000 I'm dozing and I'm crashing.

00:50:53.000 I don't have those crashes.

00:50:55.000 Maybe you weren't getting enough carbohydrates.

00:50:57.000 Could be.

00:50:57.000 Once again, Joe, you're a very smart man, so I'm not going to challenge your knowledge because I know that this is a space where you're well equipped.

00:51:04.000 You do your research, you read, you know.

00:51:06.000 I've heard you talk about things various times.

00:51:10.000 In this space, I'll just say it's one of those things where I was like, okay, this is a pattern that I fell into.

00:51:14.000 It's been comfortable, but I've seen the results.

00:51:17.000 That's all that matters.

00:51:18.000 And there's bio-variability that everybody has to take into consideration.

00:51:23.000 Like, your body's gonna be different than Jamie's, it's gonna be different than mine, everybody's body's gonna respond different to different kind of foods.

00:51:29.000 It's really different, you know?

00:51:31.000 Some people work great off of just fish.

00:51:33.000 I know people that are on a carnivore diet, and they're in the healthiest shape they've ever been in their life.

00:51:38.000 All they eat is red meat, they use ribeyes all day long.

00:51:42.000 And you go, what the fuck?

00:51:43.000 That doesn't even make any sense.

00:51:45.000 Meanwhile, they look great, and they'll swear to you they've never felt better.

00:51:48.000 Psoriasis is gone, joint pain gone, healthier than ever.

00:51:52.000 And then I know other people that are all 100% plant-based, and they're like, I got off my meds, I feel great.

00:51:56.000 I think focus on eating properly, whether it's eating properly plant-based or eating properly with a carnivore diet, just cutting out all the bullshit.

00:52:06.000 And focusing on the fact that you're eating for health and for vitality.

00:52:12.000 That's a big part of it.

00:52:13.000 You just said the key thing, though.

00:52:15.000 The key things you just said is people are doing different things that work for them.

00:52:20.000 There is no right or wrong way, and I think that's the biggest misconception.

00:52:26.000 The misconception is that you're doing it wrong.

00:52:28.000 There's one way.

00:52:29.000 There's only one.

00:52:30.000 Nah, don't do that.

00:52:31.000 Don't eat that.

00:52:32.000 There's a lot of ways.

00:52:32.000 There's so many different ways that can work for you.

00:52:35.000 Don't be afraid to try myself.

00:52:37.000 Or just experience what those options are and find your comfort space.

00:52:42.000 That's why I say within that plant-based space, people that go, yeah, man, I'm plant-based, but I feel bad because I ate something.

00:52:52.000 There is no rule to what you want to do for you.

00:52:57.000 And you've got to be open to making adjustments, too.

00:53:00.000 Do you know C.T. Fletcher?

00:53:01.000 I do know of him.

00:53:02.000 I don't know him, but I know of him.

00:53:04.000 Love that guy to death.

00:53:05.000 Hulk!

00:53:06.000 He's as motivational as anybody that's ever lived.

00:53:09.000 He had a heart attack, had his heart replaced, got a new heart, and I don't think he's confirmed it, but he believes it's an Asian woman.

00:53:18.000 I don't know if that's how he feels, or like he's had some weird feelings about having this other person's heart inside of his body.

00:53:25.000 And he went 100% plant-based.

00:53:28.000 Just changed everything.

00:53:29.000 Changed his entire diet and puts all these videos up about it.

00:53:32.000 He thinks his heart came from an Asian woman.

00:53:34.000 He believes his heart came from an Asian woman.

00:53:36.000 I don't think he's confirmed that because I don't think they tell you.

00:53:38.000 But I think he's...

00:53:40.000 Would you want to know?

00:53:41.000 Do you want to know?

00:53:42.000 Yeah, I kind of want to know.

00:53:43.000 Yeah.

00:53:44.000 Maybe he knows now.

00:53:45.000 I don't believe he knew last time I saw him in here.

00:53:48.000 But...

00:53:49.000 The first time I met him, he's a powerful guy.

00:53:52.000 It's still your motherfucking set.

00:53:54.000 He's that guy.

00:53:56.000 And he's just always this booming voice and just gigantic muscles and he's all drive and go.

00:54:05.000 And then when his heart failed, and then he had to have his heart replaced, I saw him about a year later, and he had this remarkable calm that had come over him.

00:54:14.000 He was just like this different person, very loving and embracing, and had all this happiness and all this joy and all this appreciation.

00:54:22.000 And now all he needs is plants.

00:54:25.000 And he swears by it.

00:54:26.000 It's that light.

00:54:27.000 For him, that's the way to go.

00:54:29.000 No, I'm talking about that light.

00:54:30.000 I saw that light.

00:54:32.000 When you come close to that light, and that light that I'm talking about is death.

00:54:39.000 If you come close to that light, when you do and if you are fortunate enough to come back from that light, you value life differently.

00:54:52.000 There are no bad days for me.

00:54:57.000 There are no bad days for me.

00:54:59.000 My biggest cry in life came from the first day that I came home from the hospital.

00:55:06.000 Because I never had to see that house again.

00:55:10.000 There was an option of me never seeing that home again.

00:55:14.000 There was an option of me never walking on that driveway again.

00:55:18.000 There was an option of me never seeing my wife and my kids again.

00:55:24.000 It wasn't like a build-up cry.

00:55:29.000 It was pull up, get out, feet touch the ground.

00:55:34.000 What the fuck just came over me?

00:55:37.000 Boo-hoo.

00:55:38.000 Like, what the fuck?

00:55:40.000 What just happened?

00:55:42.000 And by the way, a painful cry because my back was fucked up.

00:55:46.000 So I'm crying hard and I'm in pain.

00:55:49.000 But the realization of none of this has to be, you're not in control.

00:55:56.000 Hey, Kevin, you're not in control, buddy.

00:56:00.000 You thought you were.

00:56:02.000 You move for a minute like, nah, I got this.

00:56:04.000 I'm going to do that.

00:56:05.000 Don't worry about it.

00:56:05.000 I got it.

00:56:06.000 We'll be good.

00:56:07.000 I'm going to make sure it happens.

00:56:08.000 As if you were in control.

00:56:12.000 That's what it is.

00:56:13.000 It's literally that.

00:56:15.000 At any decision, at any given time, it can be over.

00:56:19.000 And it's not until you get close to that light that you truly respect that.

00:56:23.000 I respect that.

00:56:24.000 There are no bad days.

00:56:25.000 Hey man, miss me with any bullshit.

00:56:27.000 Yeah.

00:56:28.000 I'm smiling.

00:56:29.000 Yeah.

00:56:30.000 Because I have no reason to be angry because I don't have to be here.

00:56:35.000 You appreciate that sunshine because you've been in the pouring rain.

00:56:39.000 Yeah, man.

00:56:40.000 Hey, hey.

00:56:42.000 That's a fuck yes.

00:56:43.000 So when you talk about C.T. Fletcher and you talk about his calm, you know what, man?

00:56:49.000 I've been on the other side.

00:56:51.000 He's been, yeah!

00:56:53.000 Let's go!

00:56:54.000 And that's great!

00:56:55.000 That doesn't mean that he doesn't still have that, but now there's a different energy and a different level of relaxation that can come because I know how fortunate I am to be taking these steps.

00:57:06.000 Yeah, it's not just a theory.

00:57:08.000 Like, every day really, truly is a gift.

00:57:11.000 Jeez!

00:57:11.000 Yeah.

00:57:12.000 And you take it for granted.

00:57:13.000 It's real.

00:57:13.000 You take it for fucking granted, man.

00:57:15.000 I'm gonna tell you, not being able to wipe my ass changed everything.

00:57:21.000 Do you got one of them bidets in your house?

00:57:22.000 You press the button and it shoots the water up your ass?

00:57:24.000 I couldn't even do that.

00:57:24.000 Really?

00:57:25.000 I couldn't do that.

00:57:27.000 I'm talking, you take it for granted.

00:57:31.000 You take it for granted, man.

00:57:34.000 All of this, all of this conversation, this clapping, this easy, yo.

00:57:38.000 Hey, come here.

00:57:39.000 All this shit here, you just think it's okay.

00:57:44.000 You go through a situation where it's compromised.

00:57:49.000 How long did it take before you could start walking again, normal?

00:57:52.000 Or semi-normal?

00:57:55.000 I lied in a hospital because I didn't want them to know.

00:57:59.000 That I was having pain because I thought that they were going to stop me from letting me continue to try my walks.

00:58:07.000 It was like day seven in the hospital and I had the walker and it was slow walks but I was dragging.

00:58:16.000 It was upper body.

00:58:18.000 And I was masking it as if I was feet, right?

00:58:23.000 Because I didn't want to stop trying.

00:58:25.000 Like that was my...

00:58:28.000 That was my fucking, my go get, my drive for anything was that half hour or 40 where I could get up and go walk.

00:58:38.000 Because I was just laying in the bed all day.

00:58:43.000 And, you know, God bless me and my wife and my kids.

00:58:47.000 There's times, like, if this is the remote control, and I'm in the bed, and I just want to get to the control, Well, I can't get to it.

00:58:59.000 If you didn't position the control down here by my hands so I could get it, this here throws my whole fucking...

00:59:09.000 So now I can't press the button to call nerves and every second is, babe, can you grab the control for me?

00:59:17.000 Have do.

00:59:19.000 And there was a time where my son was like, fuck it.

00:59:22.000 My son just slept in the bed with me.

00:59:24.000 My son, he was like, I'm here, Dad.

00:59:26.000 I'm up.

00:59:27.000 My son didn't want to go to school.

00:59:28.000 My daughter didn't want to go to school.

00:59:29.000 They didn't want to leave my side.

00:59:30.000 They stayed there.

00:59:31.000 And middle of the night, if they heard me...

00:59:36.000 You alright dad?

00:59:37.000 What you want?

00:59:38.000 They were up.

00:59:38.000 My son doubled as nurse.

00:59:41.000 My daughter doubled as nurse.

00:59:43.000 Nico doubled as it.

00:59:45.000 They were there.

00:59:47.000 My brother came.

00:59:49.000 And that's when the care about what was important really changed.

00:59:56.000 The shit that I thought was important.

00:59:58.000 The things that you think are important.

01:00:01.000 You get to looking around that hospital room.

01:00:03.000 There's four walls.

01:00:04.000 None of that shit that you think is important is in there.

01:00:07.000 It's one of these people.

01:00:08.000 None of the other shit was in there.

01:00:09.000 None of it.

01:00:11.000 None of it was fucking in there.

01:00:13.000 It's also got to make you feel great that there's that much love, that they cared about you that much.

01:00:18.000 That's what gets you through it.

01:00:20.000 So those little steps that I was taking, the discomfort of not being able to do, the love and energy made me go, it's going to be alright, I'm going to get there.

01:00:32.000 Because you definitely feel defeated for a little bit.

01:00:35.000 And so, how long before you were walking without a walker?

01:00:41.000 I was stubborn, man.

01:00:42.000 So probably two and a half weeks.

01:00:44.000 Wow.

01:00:45.000 Two and a half weeks.

01:00:47.000 I should have had the walker, though.

01:00:48.000 Wow.

01:00:49.000 I should have had the walker, but I'm giving the perception that it's better than what it is.

01:00:57.000 And I had the back brace on.

01:00:59.000 You faked it till you make it.

01:01:00.000 I definitely was, hey, smiling.

01:01:07.000 What's up, y'all?

01:01:08.000 Right.

01:01:08.000 Good morning, everybody.

01:01:09.000 Given this perception of...

01:01:11.000 Bill Burr told me he went to visit you.

01:01:12.000 Yeah.

01:01:13.000 Bill came to see me.

01:01:14.000 And he said, he goes, see, the fucking guy's already walking around.

01:01:16.000 It's crazy.

01:01:17.000 Yeah.

01:01:18.000 Given the perception, because I don't want you to...

01:01:23.000 To worry.

01:01:25.000 It's me.

01:01:27.000 I'm going through it.

01:01:28.000 I'm going to figure it out.

01:01:29.000 I don't want that worry placed on anybody else.

01:01:32.000 I told you, I stopped fucking taking meds.

01:01:34.000 So every night was a horrible night.

01:01:37.000 That's so much better for you, though.

01:01:39.000 Just accept that pain.

01:01:41.000 Every night.

01:01:41.000 I did that with my knee surgery, and it's obviously a much less painful thing, but...

01:01:46.000 I was like, I took that shit once for one of my knee surgeries one day, and I was like, I feel so fucking stupid.

01:01:53.000 I slobbered on myself.

01:01:54.000 That's when I said no, no.

01:01:56.000 I was talking a piece of slobber.

01:01:58.000 Yeah, I was by myself, alone in my apartment, and I was thinking, this was back when I lived in New York, and I was like, I am not doing this again.

01:02:05.000 This is one day.

01:02:06.000 I'd rather be in searing pain and have my senses than to be stupid.

01:02:12.000 I felt so dumb.

01:02:14.000 Felt dumb.

01:02:15.000 Dumb and just like...

01:02:16.000 This is not me.

01:02:19.000 I'm not into escape.

01:02:20.000 I don't want to escape.

01:02:21.000 I want to dig deep.

01:02:22.000 Not that bad.

01:02:23.000 Yeah.

01:02:23.000 I'd rather just feel the pain.

01:02:24.000 I'm not looking for it that bad.

01:02:26.000 It's a sensation.

01:02:27.000 It's a terrible sensation, but I know what it is.

01:02:29.000 It's just letting me know that there's a problem, and we'll fix that problem eventually.

01:02:33.000 I don't like the look that comes with being high.

01:02:36.000 When I see what people look like, I don't like that look.

01:02:43.000 The pill high?

01:02:44.000 See, I like the weed high.

01:02:45.000 No, I'm talking about this shit here.

01:02:48.000 Oh, yeah.

01:02:49.000 When you don't know what you...

01:02:51.000 This shit here, you don't know what's going on with your hands.

01:02:54.000 I don't like that.

01:02:56.000 I don't want to look like that.

01:02:58.000 Yeah, I think that's people that are in so much pain all day, just emotionally, that they just need some sort of escape from it.

01:03:05.000 Instead of embracing it.

01:03:06.000 I will not knock...

01:03:10.000 Right.

01:03:15.000 Right.

01:03:18.000 Right.

01:03:20.000 Right.

01:03:29.000 Have some type of remorse and feeling of understanding for people that are battling any type of mental illness or mental health.

01:03:38.000 Because that's just a different monster and a different machine.

01:03:41.000 So whatever the reasons to escape that are for you and from you, that's something that's TBD. To be determined between you and whoever's trying to help you.

01:03:52.000 People on the outside, we got no right...

01:03:55.000 We got no right if you're not fucking dealing with the same thing.

01:03:58.000 You got no right to judge that ever.

01:04:00.000 There's no way we can understand what's going on.

01:04:02.000 No way I can understand what's going on in your head other than you telling me about it and me trying to decipher it and trying to put it into words.

01:04:09.000 But that's one of the more interesting things about talking to people.

01:04:11.000 It's like when you talk to people and you find out how they feel and think about things, it shifts your own ideas of what life is.

01:04:19.000 And I try to look at life through other people's eyes.

01:04:22.000 And the only way you get that is through them talking.

01:04:24.000 I mean, I'm dealing with it now with my kids.

01:04:26.000 I got two teenagers.

01:04:28.000 So my daughter, you know, my daughter got mad.

01:04:31.000 This is a while ago.

01:04:32.000 She got so mad.

01:04:33.000 She was like, just forget it!

01:04:34.000 It was like a little rage.

01:04:37.000 I didn't attack her for it.

01:04:39.000 I said, there's something that made you do that.

01:04:42.000 It's bigger than just this.

01:04:44.000 It's not about what we're dealing with now.

01:04:46.000 I said, that was something else that I've never seen.

01:04:49.000 And I said, I'm gonna give you a second.

01:04:51.000 Take some time to yourself.

01:04:53.000 I said, and later, if you want to talk about anything, your dad is here.

01:04:58.000 I said, let's talk if you want to.

01:05:00.000 And we got this thing called free speaking zone in our house.

01:05:03.000 Free speaking zone means, as a parent, I can't get mad at you about what you said.

01:05:10.000 I gotta give you a conversation based off of what you said.

01:05:14.000 And I gotta act as if you're not my child for that moment.

01:05:18.000 You cannot abuse free speaking zone, though.

01:05:21.000 You can't abuse it.

01:05:22.000 That don't mean every time you're in trouble, free speaking zone, you're abusing it.

01:05:26.000 And now you risk free speaking zone going away.

01:05:28.000 I like that idea.

01:05:29.000 So you gotta use it correctly.

01:05:31.000 So my daughter came to me in the nicest voice.

01:05:36.000 She was like, free speaking zone.

01:05:38.000 And I was like, yeah.

01:05:39.000 I said, what's up?

01:05:40.000 And she just started talking to me about some things that were bothering her.

01:05:44.000 And when we talk, what I found is I can relate to my daughter because I know for sure that where I come from, it's allowed me to see exactly what she's seeing plus so much more.

01:06:04.000 Plus so much more.

01:06:05.000 And this was a time where the hair was an issue.

01:06:08.000 My daughter went through a big hair thing.

01:06:10.000 You know, she wanted her hair to be a certain way.

01:06:14.000 And the hair wouldn't...

01:06:17.000 There was no way that her hair was going to be able to look like what she wanted it to.

01:06:22.000 So the discussion was, honey, as a young black girl...

01:06:27.000 Your hair is not going to do what your friend's hair does.

01:06:31.000 You know, my daughter goes to a private school.

01:06:34.000 So there's white girls here.

01:06:35.000 You got some mixed girls here.

01:06:37.000 And, you know, these girls are out and they can jump in the pool, get out and their hair is a certain way.

01:06:43.000 I'm like, honey, yours isn't going to do that.

01:06:45.000 But if you want a different look, then that means that we can work on ways to obtain it.

01:06:51.000 But honey, it's not going to happen overnight.

01:06:54.000 And I had to make sure that my daughter understood how beautiful she was.

01:06:58.000 I had to make sure that my daughter understood why it's okay for her hair to be different and be unique and not the same.

01:07:06.000 I had to go into a full father programming of making you understand your value.

01:07:14.000 And my daughter needed that.

01:07:16.000 But it wasn't something that just came out of nowhere.

01:07:20.000 Like, Dad, I want to talk to you about my hair.

01:07:22.000 It was an anger that she later then came and wanted to discuss.

01:07:25.000 But if I didn't have the free speaking zone, that's some shit that just would have been in and never talked about.

01:07:33.000 But I gave her something that she used to As a reason to say what I don't like and don't judge me, Dad, but this is really making me mad.

01:07:42.000 Well, it seems like you've developed this philosophy that applies not just to work and not just to success, but also to family and relationships.

01:07:51.000 There's a lot of carryover in all of this.

01:07:54.000 It's like accepting things for what they are, but looking at a positive way to improve them, even in terms of just communication with your family.

01:08:02.000 I mean, that's priority.

01:08:03.000 Yeah.

01:08:04.000 Priority number one.

01:08:05.000 I mean, that's the...

01:08:07.000 It's so dope to be able to build what we're building.

01:08:16.000 Because it's not a tradition.

01:08:18.000 This is not...

01:08:20.000 We don't have a family tradition.

01:08:21.000 We're the first.

01:08:23.000 This is the first.

01:08:24.000 I don't come from mom and dad, same house, kids, dogs, and dinner at night at 6 p.m.

01:08:34.000 I don't come from that.

01:08:35.000 I don't know how to do that.

01:08:37.000 So we are now learning that.

01:08:41.000 Divorced, ex-wife, new wife, stepkids, new kid, Brothers and sisters, coincide with ex-wife, new wife.

01:08:55.000 Make sure that we all understand this is our world.

01:08:59.000 How do we co-parent?

01:09:01.000 Bumps, of course.

01:09:03.000 Figuring it out, of course.

01:09:05.000 Kids.

01:09:06.000 Household.

01:09:07.000 In our household, let's build something.

01:09:10.000 Dinners.

01:09:10.000 Let's make this a thing.

01:09:12.000 Conversations.

01:09:13.000 No phones.

01:09:14.000 Let's make it a thing.

01:09:15.000 Movie night.

01:09:17.000 Taco Tuesdays.

01:09:19.000 Game night.

01:09:20.000 All this silly shit that you may look past are memories.

01:09:25.000 Family trips.

01:09:26.000 Family walks.

01:09:28.000 Walking the dogs together.

01:09:31.000 All of this shit we're building.

01:09:32.000 So I'm fascinated by At giving my kids stories to hold on to.

01:09:38.000 When they get older, remember that time when we did said thing, said thing, said thing?

01:09:44.000 Where were we at that summer?

01:09:45.000 Remember when such and such happened and you fell in the thing and dad had to come get you?

01:09:50.000 Oh my God, you know what?

01:09:52.000 Dad, you know what I want to go back to?

01:09:54.000 You know what we want to do?

01:09:55.000 We're building it.

01:09:57.000 So my hope is that as I grow older, I'm able to look at a new A new era within the heart.

01:10:07.000 Within this heart family name, this heart legacy.

01:10:11.000 I'm looking at generations.

01:10:14.000 You know, I got two sons.

01:10:16.000 I got two sons, man.

01:10:18.000 That's an unbelievable thing because this name goes.

01:10:22.000 I got a daughter that's my oldest.

01:10:24.000 I'm about to have another daughter.

01:10:26.000 Like, now it's like, fuck.

01:10:28.000 Kev, you really...

01:10:30.000 It's bigger than you.

01:10:31.000 It's about this.

01:10:32.000 And it's about what they have, but it's about what they remember.

01:10:36.000 I'm doing my part in life, to go back to what we talked about earlier, by making this generation better than what I was.

01:10:46.000 I'm giving you the fucking tools, guys.

01:10:49.000 You don't got to do what I do.

01:10:50.000 You don't got to be what I am.

01:10:52.000 But I'm giving you the tools to at least want to aspire to be.

01:10:58.000 Is there a struggle to find time, like to manage the time between work and family, relationships?

01:11:05.000 Not after that accident.

01:11:06.000 No.

01:11:07.000 Not after that fucking accident.

01:11:08.000 Accident was the best eye-opening experience ever.

01:11:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:15.000 I was married to my career, dating my family.

01:11:20.000 Mmm.

01:11:24.000 I'm all about this work and all about this hustle.

01:11:27.000 Granted, there's nothing wrong with that.

01:11:29.000 It's a good thing.

01:11:31.000 But after a certain point, you gotta prioritize accordingly.

01:11:37.000 When you get to a certain point where the decisions that can be made are a little more controlled and you have the ability to maneuver differently because of the success that you've obtained, make those adjustments.

01:11:50.000 I didn't make those adjustments.

01:11:51.000 I was still hustle, hustle, hustle.

01:11:53.000 Granted, great dad.

01:11:55.000 We're doing stuff.

01:11:56.000 I'm home.

01:11:57.000 I'm getting back home.

01:11:58.000 But my in and outs, three days, I'm out.

01:12:02.000 Two days, three days, I'm out.

01:12:04.000 I gotta go film the movie.

01:12:05.000 Y'all come down for the weekends.

01:12:07.000 Alright, I see you guys.

01:12:08.000 We'll eat dinner.

01:12:09.000 We'll do stuff.

01:12:09.000 And it's great.

01:12:10.000 Crammed it all in.

01:12:11.000 Alright, y'all.

01:12:12.000 I gotta go.

01:12:12.000 I'm working.

01:12:13.000 And it's not bad.

01:12:15.000 But now...

01:12:17.000 Alright, I'll film a movie.

01:12:19.000 After I'm done filming a movie, I need to take 30 days off.

01:12:25.000 I need to take 40 days off.

01:12:28.000 That's just with me and the fam.

01:12:30.000 Now, hey, you go tour, it was just, pow, year and a half, we out.

01:12:35.000 Four days out the fucking week, I'm out, year and a half, I got to get it.

01:12:39.000 Well, now, let's go a month and a half, let's stop for three weeks.

01:12:44.000 I'm with the fam.

01:12:46.000 So I still have my three days a week that I was here, but then I'm going to stop for three weeks.

01:12:50.000 This is dedicated to fam time.

01:12:51.000 Don't nobody do anything with me or talk to me.

01:12:54.000 I'm home.

01:12:57.000 Now, my office, I was in that office when we fucking opened.

01:13:03.000 Office opened at nine.

01:13:04.000 I'm there at eight.

01:13:05.000 You know, there's a chance that I may be in that office till fucking six.

01:13:10.000 Now, yo, no matter what, guys, that day in the office has to end at like three.

01:13:16.000 I gotta be home for dinner.

01:13:18.000 I got dinner with the fam.

01:13:19.000 My priorities have changed.

01:13:22.000 But it brings me back to the decisions that you're now able to make based off of life's circumstances, life's lessons.

01:13:34.000 So because of all the shit that I went through, because of the things that I now got to see, Because of that hospital room and those four walls and me seeing my family and what that love did for me and to me.

01:13:48.000 Well, I'd be damned if I fucking look past that.

01:13:51.000 I'd be damned if I not do what I'm supposed to do and give that the same amount of attention in return.

01:13:58.000 Because my eyes got open.

01:13:59.000 Fuck, is that why that happened?

01:14:01.000 What are you saying to me?

01:14:03.000 Was I supposed to?

01:14:04.000 What?

01:14:06.000 Okay, I'm going to assume.

01:14:09.000 I'm going to assume and I'm going to look at the signs that are clearly being given and I'm going to try my best to do my part.

01:14:16.000 I'm going to try my best to grow.

01:14:19.000 So my time now is so valuable but the priority within my time are making sure that the people that I love and that love me have some time.

01:14:34.000 When it's all said and done, I want to know that I made those adjustments.

01:14:38.000 I want to know that I did my part.

01:14:40.000 You achieved that balance.

01:14:41.000 Absolutely.

01:14:42.000 But it was learned.

01:14:43.000 It was learned.

01:14:44.000 Now this is information.

01:14:47.000 It's fucking information.

01:14:49.000 And there's one side of information that I had, which was, go get it.

01:14:53.000 I'm out.

01:14:54.000 I'm out.

01:14:55.000 I got to go get it.

01:14:56.000 I don't got time to be fucking staying there, man.

01:14:57.000 It's shit to do.

01:14:58.000 Which I still do do.

01:15:00.000 I don't want to make it seem like that isn't in me.

01:15:03.000 But there's a balance.

01:15:05.000 There's now a balance.

01:15:07.000 That's the trickiest shit in life.

01:15:09.000 Yeah, it's to find that balance.

01:15:11.000 Find a balance.

01:15:11.000 Not just be a fucking savage out there grinding and attacking all day, but to have that balance and appreciate, especially appreciate family, right?

01:15:19.000 It's something that I've had to learn.

01:15:23.000 And that I'm still learning.

01:15:24.000 It's not something that I've knocked out the park completely yet because it's a growing fucking...

01:15:30.000 It's a living thing.

01:15:31.000 Yeah!

01:15:32.000 You gotta just keep being a sponge and being willing to fucking grow.

01:15:38.000 Tell me about this Audible thing.

01:15:40.000 Audible is an amazing partner of mine now.

01:15:46.000 My first book, I can't make this up, Life Lessons.

01:15:49.000 Was a New York Times number one bestseller, and I got bit.

01:15:52.000 I got bit by the bug.

01:15:54.000 Wow.

01:15:55.000 As an author, I wanted to write a book.

01:15:56.000 I did it.

01:15:57.000 Look at the success that it had.

01:15:58.000 The opportunity came up for me to voice that book on Audible.

01:16:03.000 And the Audible success was just as good, if not greater, than my hardcover.

01:16:10.000 And people loved the fact that the stories were real, but hearing my voice...

01:16:18.000 And hearing me be personable while being real was a bonus from other things than they've ever had the privilege of listening to.

01:16:26.000 So I said, I want to do another one, man, but I'm big on this motivation, self-help, inspiration thing.

01:16:34.000 I'm really big on trying to do my part.

01:16:38.000 So, as I was telling you earlier, I said, in my life, man, I got so...

01:16:43.000 So many stories of all of my twists and turns and right moves and wrong moves and decision-making that enhanced those moves or that devalued them and made them incorrect.

01:17:02.000 Ultimately, if I were to give information, it's just to open up people's eyes.

01:17:09.000 It's to open up your eyes to To the reality of you competing with you.

01:17:17.000 I want people to understand that we lose because we are okay with ignoring our faults, right?

01:17:28.000 It's not until you can accept your faults, your bullshit, that you can grow and do better.

01:17:37.000 We point the finger a lot by we, myself included.

01:17:41.000 I'm an example of it.

01:17:43.000 Yo, I didn't do that because nobody told me.

01:17:46.000 I didn't get up.

01:17:46.000 I didn't hear the alarm.

01:17:47.000 Why didn't you call me and get me up?

01:17:49.000 Yo, I didn't know we was going to go eat.

01:17:51.000 Didn't nobody tell me we was going to go eat.

01:17:53.000 I would've came to eat, but y'all ain't tell me.

01:17:55.000 I ain't know we had a test today.

01:17:56.000 Why didn't you tell me we had a test today?

01:17:58.000 I ain't study.

01:17:59.000 Because ain't nobody reach out and tell me.

01:18:00.000 There's so many things that we place the blame on others for that are truly our responsibility.

01:18:06.000 And it becomes a habit.

01:18:08.000 It's a force of habit.

01:18:10.000 So it's not until you break that habit.

01:18:13.000 That you can do bigger and better shit.

01:18:16.000 So this audible original of mine called The Decision is about making you look at shit differently.

01:18:24.000 Making you realize the tone of today and making you understand how much you're a part of it.

01:18:32.000 I got a big thing on social media in there where I'm like social media is mindfuck people and to people now thinking that it's what the world thinks.

01:18:42.000 Social media has mindfucked people into thinking that the comments below a post are what the world must be feeling and thinking about you.

01:18:52.000 The insecurity levels have raised to an all-time high because my belief is now I posted something.

01:18:59.000 People are saying these things underneath.

01:19:01.000 I don't want to go outside because this is how they feel.

01:19:04.000 So I've now put this shit in my head that as soon as I walk outside, if you look at me, you're talking about my post, ain't you?

01:19:09.000 What post?

01:19:10.000 What the fuck are you talking about?

01:19:11.000 You saw my post, didn't you?

01:19:12.000 And that's why you're looking at me like that.

01:19:14.000 What?

01:19:16.000 We now think that this is the way Of the world.

01:19:23.000 Right.

01:19:23.000 And we're so engulfed into it that the negative is so loud that you don't even see the positive.

01:19:33.000 Even if it's overwhelmingly positive.

01:19:35.000 Just a few negatives.

01:19:36.000 You don't see it.

01:19:36.000 You concentrate on those negatives.

01:19:38.000 You don't see it.

01:19:39.000 Yeah.

01:19:39.000 There was a black billionaire that paid off student loans.

01:19:42.000 It was a story for about a day and a half.

01:19:44.000 Another story popped up of reality tar sucked somebody dick in the bathroom.

01:19:48.000 It went on for three weeks.

01:19:49.000 It was fucking crazy news.

01:19:51.000 It's breaking fucking news.

01:19:53.000 What?

01:19:53.000 That's all over the place.

01:19:55.000 The reason why is because we spread the negative.

01:19:58.000 As people, we've fallen in love.

01:20:00.000 With bad information and bad conversation, we're intrigued by it.

01:20:04.000 Well, it's a natural human instinct because those are the things that can kill you.

01:20:08.000 From the days when we were living in small villages worried about animals attacking us, you had to be always worried about negative.

01:20:16.000 Negative was a thing you had to concentrate on because that could take your life.

01:20:19.000 Positive was something that's great, that's good and all, but you really got to concentrate on negative.

01:20:23.000 And unfortunately, that human instinct is carried over.

01:20:26.000 Into this time where we don't really have the same fear of danger that we had before for the most part.

01:20:32.000 But we still concentrate on these negative things.

01:20:35.000 We still concentrate on negative comments, negative stories.

01:20:39.000 These negative things carry more weight.

01:20:42.000 Because we have a natural inclination to keep an eye out for danger.

01:20:46.000 It's like our human reward system has been hijacked.

01:20:49.000 It's been hijacked by social media.

01:20:51.000 This new thing that we're not prepared for.

01:20:53.000 Reading anonymous, written things that are negative.

01:20:58.000 There's a book called The Coddling of the American Mind by Jonathan Haidt.

01:21:03.000 And he wrote about this with children, about how many, especially girls, so many girls are experiencing super high levels of self-harm, suicide, depression, all because of social media.

01:21:17.000 Because they're writing things and their friends are commenting on them and people are anonymously saying, you stupid fat bitch.

01:21:22.000 And they're like, ooh!

01:21:23.000 And it fucks with their head in a way that other generations before didn't have to deal with.

01:21:29.000 Before social media, there was nothing that could affect them in this way.

01:21:32.000 And it's tough because there's gifts and there's curses to it, of course.

01:21:36.000 There's an amazing benefit behind it, and of course now we're seeing the bad within it.

01:21:42.000 So what I encourage any and everybody to do is just understand who you are.

01:21:49.000 Truly understand who you are.

01:21:52.000 Learn yourself.

01:21:55.000 Learn yourself.

01:21:56.000 Learn your pros and your cons.

01:21:59.000 Get your flaws.

01:22:02.000 Get them out the way, but with you, not nobody else.

01:22:05.000 This is a you and you thing of the shit that you know you need to work on.

01:22:09.000 I'm telling you people, when you really look yourself in the mirror and you start to pick yourself apart by yourself, there's only room for improvement.

01:22:21.000 It's easy to ignore your bullshit.

01:22:24.000 Also, other people can't tell you things you don't already know.

01:22:27.000 Fuck!

01:22:27.000 You're a thousand percent right.

01:22:30.000 You're a thousand percent right.

01:22:32.000 And that's what this is.

01:22:34.000 My audio book is not a live like me tutorial.

01:22:42.000 It's not a do what I did tutorial.

01:22:45.000 I would never do that because I don't have all the answers.

01:22:49.000 All I have is stories and information that you can now be privy to That can allow you to make different fucking turns on this road of life.

01:22:59.000 What was the motivation to do this?

01:23:01.000 Was there a one thing or was it a build up?

01:23:05.000 Me being one of the only black guys in our entertainment space because there's a handful of us that get to look behind the curtain.

01:23:17.000 There's a curtain.

01:23:18.000 There's another room and there's a curtain.

01:23:20.000 And in that room is some shit.

01:23:22.000 You're like, God damn, I didn't know y'all was fucking doing this back here.

01:23:25.000 I didn't know y'all was getting this type of money back.

01:23:27.000 Y'all been doing this for how long?

01:23:28.000 This is how it happens.

01:23:30.000 There's a room that you get in and the information and understanding that comes in it.

01:23:38.000 It's unreal, the stuff that you start to discover.

01:23:42.000 But it's a discovery.

01:23:44.000 It's a discovery.

01:23:45.000 You gotta stumble upon this treasure of information and discovery.

01:23:52.000 And if you don't, Maybe you're in the right environment and you hear some stuff and you can ask some questions, but nine times out of ten, it's not offered.

01:24:01.000 It's a search and find.

01:24:03.000 And when I was constantly in those situations and I found myself saying, so how, but why?

01:24:11.000 Well, then what did you do?

01:24:13.000 Damn, after that, then what?

01:24:15.000 What the fuck did you, how did that even work?

01:24:19.000 I was in a room with Jeff Bezos.

01:24:22.000 And Robert Kraft, this was the Patriots that won the Super Bowl.

01:24:26.000 And we're in this little private room after.

01:24:31.000 And Tom Brady is giving a speech thanking Robert for all.

01:24:35.000 Robert thanks Tom.

01:24:37.000 And I'm with my wife and a friend.

01:24:40.000 And Jeff Bezos walks in.

01:24:43.000 My friend goes, look with Jeff Bezos.

01:24:45.000 I said, oh shit, I'm going to go say what's up.

01:24:47.000 I said, that's a motherfucker.

01:24:48.000 I would love to pick his brain.

01:24:50.000 That's an interesting individual.

01:24:52.000 No, don't do that.

01:24:54.000 What do you mean don't do that?

01:24:55.000 Who said don't do that?

01:24:56.000 My friend.

01:24:57.000 No, no, no, no.

01:24:58.000 Don't do that.

01:24:59.000 Why?

01:24:59.000 What are you talking about?

01:25:00.000 Why are you going to do that, Kev?

01:25:01.000 There's a room full of people that don't look like a dude that's thirsty.

01:25:04.000 Thirsty for what?

01:25:07.000 For fucking information, dickface?

01:25:11.000 Who got into like a little fucking spat?

01:25:13.000 For what?

01:25:14.000 For fucking information?

01:25:16.000 I want to fucking say, hey, I want to see my face.

01:25:18.000 I want to ask him some questions.

01:25:20.000 I ain't going to see this man no more.

01:25:21.000 I don't know him.

01:25:23.000 We're not on a phone number to phone number basis.

01:25:25.000 I'm going to say what's up to him.

01:25:27.000 I'm just saying in this environment, just chill.

01:25:30.000 It's relaxed.

01:25:31.000 And that shit started to click to me.

01:25:32.000 That's the problem.

01:25:34.000 Everybody's too cool.

01:25:36.000 Everybody's too fucking cool.

01:25:39.000 Everybody wants you to think that they know.

01:25:42.000 You don't know!

01:25:43.000 You don't know shit.

01:25:44.000 We don't know shit.

01:25:46.000 There's one Jeff Bezos.

01:25:47.000 There's fucking one almost trillionaire.

01:25:50.000 Hey, Jeff!

01:25:51.000 Come here, man.

01:25:51.000 Hey, man!

01:25:53.000 First of all, explain a trillion to me.

01:25:55.000 What is that?

01:25:56.000 How many zeros?

01:25:57.000 What is that?

01:25:58.000 First of all, do you know how excited he must be to talk to you, too?

01:26:01.000 Who knows?

01:26:02.000 I'm going to fucking find out.

01:26:05.000 I'm going to fucking find out.

01:26:07.000 You know what I did, Joe?

01:26:08.000 What?

01:26:09.000 Hey, man, I'll be right back, babe.

01:26:10.000 Come on.

01:26:11.000 Took my wife with me.

01:26:12.000 Hey, Jeff, I'm Kevin Hart.

01:26:13.000 How you doing, man?

01:26:14.000 Hey, Kevin.

01:26:15.000 How are you?

01:26:16.000 Jeff, this is my wife, Iniko.

01:26:17.000 Hey, hey, man.

01:26:18.000 I admire you.

01:26:21.000 I don't fucking know anything about that world and death, but I admire you.

01:26:26.000 I admire you for being a guy that fucking created and accomplished some shit that is a phenomenon.

01:26:34.000 I want to shake your hand.

01:26:35.000 I would love to talk one day.

01:26:37.000 Kev, hey man, good meeting you.

01:26:40.000 Quite sure we'll bump past one day.

01:26:41.000 Hey, if we do or don't, you gonna remember this.

01:26:44.000 I just want to tell you I admire you.

01:26:46.000 I don't need shit.

01:26:47.000 I'm not asking for anything.

01:26:48.000 But what I did, I set myself up for another conversation for when I got the opportunity.

01:26:54.000 You're talking here, but I'm going to come over, man.

01:26:56.000 I admire you.

01:26:57.000 I want to fucking ask you a bunch of questions about this Amazon shit and ask you how you came up with it.

01:27:02.000 I don't think this is the time or place, but I want you to see my face.

01:27:05.000 Have you ever seen a photo of him sitting at his desk and there's a banner behind him, a plastic nylon hanging banner that says Amazon.com?

01:27:15.000 Jesus.

01:27:15.000 It's in like the 1990s when people are like, what the fuck are you doing?

01:27:19.000 Selling books on the internet?

01:27:21.000 And this is a shitty looking Ikea desk.

01:27:24.000 Look at this desk.

01:27:24.000 Look at him.

01:27:25.000 This is him here.

01:27:27.000 Jesus Christ.

01:27:28.000 Amazon.com.

01:27:29.000 And marker.

01:27:30.000 Yeah, it looks like spray paint.

01:27:31.000 Spray paint.

01:27:32.000 Look at this shit here.

01:27:33.000 Look at that shitty bullshit desk.

01:27:34.000 That dorky looking dude.

01:27:36.000 Look at the cords.

01:27:37.000 Yeah.

01:27:37.000 Now he's all buff and jacked and shit.

01:27:40.000 Jesus.

01:27:41.000 Now he's a savage that's basically conquering the business world.

01:27:45.000 Richest man, well, richest man publicly publicly.

01:27:49.000 I think there's a bunch of them oil billionaire, trillionaire dudes.

01:27:53.000 Yeah, that's got some shit too.

01:27:54.000 They just shut up.

01:27:56.000 They don't want to say anything.

01:27:57.000 Either way, I was in a room with that man.

01:28:00.000 There wasn't a level of cool that I had that would keep me from just going and saying hello or asking a question for that matter.

01:28:12.000 And it's being in those spaces that intrigued the thought.

01:28:16.000 I was like, dude, this is what I'm going to do.

01:28:18.000 I'm going to do my part.

01:28:19.000 I'm going to do my part and say it.

01:28:21.000 I'm going to say, hey, when it comes to producing and production, here's what I've done.

01:28:25.000 Here's the walls that I've hit, and here's where it's really hurt me.

01:28:28.000 But here's what I've learned.

01:28:29.000 And here's why I do it this way.

01:28:31.000 My ambition is fueled from possibility.

01:28:34.000 I'm giving you all this shit.

01:28:36.000 I'm giving you all this shit.

01:28:37.000 What am I going to do?

01:28:38.000 I'm going to die and take it with me?

01:28:39.000 Yeah.

01:28:39.000 I'm going to keep it in the coffin with me?

01:28:42.000 What am I going to do?

01:28:44.000 What am I going to do with it?

01:28:45.000 Yeah.

01:28:46.000 I'ma fucking give it!

01:28:47.000 Well, also, the possibility that some young kid could listen to this audio thing, listen to you talk about these things, and then one day succeed and run into you the same way you ran into Jeff Bezos.

01:29:00.000 Oh my god.

01:29:00.000 Kevin Hart, I gotta tell you.

01:29:03.000 I got where I am because I listened.

01:29:07.000 I listened to you talk about your life.

01:29:09.000 I listened to you talk about your fuck-ups and you made me feel like you were human.

01:29:13.000 Like I thought you were just Kevin Hart.

01:29:15.000 Like when people see you, you're Kevin Hart.

01:29:16.000 You're walking the red carpet.

01:29:18.000 You're in Jumanji.

01:29:19.000 You're all over the place.

01:29:21.000 Fucking comedy specials for 50,000 people in arenas and shit.

01:29:25.000 People don't know that you're a human.

01:29:27.000 You don't seem like a human because you're not like a human that they know.

01:29:30.000 But when you talk and you talk about your life, And some kid might just get a spark off of that and blow that spark, make that ember flame up and take over.

01:29:40.000 And next thing you know, you're running into that person at some other Super Bowl party.

01:29:44.000 I can't even tell you.

01:29:47.000 For me, that's what it's about.

01:29:50.000 That's what it's about.

01:29:52.000 You're offering fuel.

01:29:55.000 That's as strong as anything else.

01:29:58.000 Yeah.

01:29:59.000 That's the impact.

01:30:00.000 It's gonna impact some people.

01:30:02.000 There's gonna be people that don't have room for it, right?

01:30:04.000 They're all closed up.

01:30:05.000 It's like a cup.

01:30:09.000 There's no room in their cup.

01:30:10.000 They're full of their own shit.

01:30:12.000 It's not gonna get in there.

01:30:13.000 There's other people, they're gonna have a spot for you.

01:30:16.000 They're gonna have a spot and you're gonna make that engine better.

01:30:19.000 You're gonna make the whole engine of their life better.

01:30:21.000 There's things that I think about all the time when I'm working out or when I'm tired.

01:30:25.000 I think about inspirational things that people have said.

01:30:28.000 And they get me through.

01:30:29.000 They shift.

01:30:30.000 It shifts my mind, steals me up, makes me think about things in a different way, and I can accomplish more because of those thoughts.

01:30:38.000 I can accomplish more because of that energy that some person...

01:30:41.000 And you did that to me, man.

01:30:42.000 You did that to me the last time we had a conversation.

01:30:45.000 I remember leaving our conversation going, that motherfucker is motivational!

01:30:49.000 And I got a lot of text messages from a lot of friends and a lot of people go, that was a great one.

01:30:53.000 But there was a shift.

01:30:56.000 Like when someone is really getting after it in their life and you're around them, there's a shift in your own life.

01:31:04.000 It's a tangible thing.

01:31:06.000 It's like if you could see it on a meter, it's almost like your meter goes up.

01:31:10.000 You feel it, but you don't quantify.

01:31:13.000 It's not something you put on a scale.

01:31:15.000 It's not something you'd see on a meter, but it's real.

01:31:17.000 And you gotta believe it's real and know it's real.

01:31:20.000 And when you're doing this, when you're putting out this audiobook, and even these conversations that you put out, when people know what you've accomplished and you put these conversations out, it resonates, man.

01:31:30.000 It's so valuable.

01:31:31.000 Did you watch the Jordan doc?

01:31:34.000 No, I didn't.

01:31:35.000 You gotta watch the Jordan doc.

01:31:36.000 I know everybody's been telling me that.

01:31:37.000 I know I have to.

01:31:40.000 Have to watch the Jordan documentary.

01:31:42.000 Okay, I'll watch it.

01:31:43.000 Listen, because he's an alien.

01:31:49.000 He's one of us.

01:31:51.000 He's one of those aliens that other aliens identify with.

01:31:57.000 And for people listening, when I say aliens, you know it's a metaphor for people.

01:32:00.000 That doesn't mean it.

01:32:02.000 Fucking embracing aliens here.

01:32:05.000 I get so much shit for everything.

01:32:08.000 It's a metaphor.

01:32:09.000 But he's different.

01:32:15.000 He's fucking different.

01:32:16.000 And what this shows you is how different MJ was.

01:32:23.000 That man was a fucking winner.

01:32:26.000 He was a winner.

01:32:28.000 And that's it.

01:32:32.000 Like, that's it.

01:32:35.000 MJ won.

01:32:37.000 There is no other conversation.

01:32:41.000 When you watch this doc and you watch how he approached his days and why he approached it and the things that he did and his reason for doing them and ultimately what he wanted and what his priority and what his goals were, you go, fuck.

01:32:57.000 He did it.

01:33:00.000 We know why he did it.

01:33:03.000 It's not a coincidence that he's a champion.

01:33:07.000 It's...

01:33:08.000 Destiny.

01:33:09.000 There was no other option.

01:33:12.000 It was champion or bus.

01:33:15.000 There was no six-time MVP, all-star, and defensive player of the year, and most likable player in the league, and most markable.

01:33:25.000 No.

01:33:26.000 No.

01:33:27.000 If it's not a champion attached to my name, With several fucking trophies attached, there is no other conversation.

01:33:39.000 And you motherfuckers around me, if you do not understand why I am the way I am, then this is not the place for you.

01:33:46.000 Do your job.

01:33:48.000 I've never heard Michael Jordan talk the way the documentary showed him talk.

01:33:56.000 Do your fucking job.

01:33:58.000 When I pass you the ball, hit the fucking shot.

01:34:02.000 That person now has to get better.

01:34:05.000 Because I'm so nervous that if Mike passed me the ball and I missed this fucking shot, I'm never going to get a shot again.

01:34:14.000 Do your fucking job.

01:34:15.000 When Mike is talking to you like that, I thought we were just playing basketball.

01:34:20.000 I thought I was out here having a good time.

01:34:22.000 Oh wait, this is my job.

01:34:24.000 This is my profession.

01:34:27.000 I'm supposed to do this, this, and this.

01:34:29.000 If I don't do this...

01:34:33.000 I'm failing at my job.

01:34:35.000 You see these players today and you see the way that they are.

01:34:40.000 I promise you, man, rest in peace Kobe Bryant.

01:34:43.000 Every bit of the same.

01:34:45.000 They give my guy LJ Flack and shit.

01:34:48.000 I promise you LeBron James is nothing short of that.

01:34:51.000 I promise you these people that are winning, fucking win because there is no other option.

01:34:59.000 You have to watch this doc and Joe, you gotta text me after.

01:35:04.000 Okay.

01:35:05.000 Text me after and just go, holy fucking shit.

01:35:09.000 Holy shit, man.

01:35:11.000 I get it, Kev.

01:35:13.000 And the fuel that you're talking about in that meter?

01:35:16.000 I promise you your meter.

01:35:18.000 After the dot, I got up.

01:35:20.000 I was with my laptop hand.

01:35:22.000 Shit, I'm over here watching the dot.

01:35:24.000 Let me think of what the next thing is.

01:35:26.000 It instantly, instantly fueled.

01:35:31.000 Fueled.

01:35:32.000 Instant fuel!

01:35:33.000 Last time I felt that was the Tyson documentary.

01:35:35.000 That was strong.

01:35:37.000 That was strong.

01:35:38.000 Dude, this is the time when he's talking about walking into the ring, as he steps in the ring, like all the nervousness, all the things that are going through, and that as his confidence builds, as he gets towards the ring and he steps through the ropes, I'm a god.

01:35:48.000 When he says that, I'm like, holy shit!

01:35:50.000 My goosebumps are popping up!

01:35:52.000 I was like, oh my god!

01:35:54.000 That's the Dos Equis man to me.

01:35:56.000 Yeah.

01:35:56.000 That's the Dos Equis man to me.

01:35:58.000 It's crazy he's fighting again?

01:36:00.000 That is the Dos Equis man to me.

01:36:02.000 The most interesting man in America.

01:36:05.000 Mike Tyson is that.

01:36:08.000 There are so many different levels and pieces of death to Mike Tyson and his story.

01:36:19.000 It's one of the strongest docs I've ever seen.

01:36:23.000 Well, he's one of those guys, one of those super winners that just, I mean, when he was young, I mean, everyone knows the story, but if you don't, he basically had no love in his life until he met Customato.

01:36:37.000 And Customato became a father figure, but also...

01:36:41.000 Customato is a hypnotist and a psychologist in a lot of ways and a fantastic boxing coach as well and took this young kid and showed him that you're gonna get love from accomplishment and you're gonna conquer and you're gonna become the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time and through his tutelage up until the moment that he died Mike Tyson was just a just a phenom a thing that we had never seen before he was the pit bull with no leash That

01:37:14.000 respected one person.

01:37:17.000 Yes.

01:37:19.000 And anybody else at any given time feared to fuck out of this pit bull.

01:37:24.000 Because nobody else knew, hey man, who's, what is, hey!

01:37:30.000 Somebody gotta get this, hey who, what?

01:37:33.000 What is this wit?

01:37:34.000 Who, who?

01:37:37.000 Until this day, if I see Mike, there's a little nervousness for no reason.

01:37:41.000 Oh, for sure.

01:37:41.000 He's terrifying.

01:37:42.000 It's not like he's coming in with this thing, like, I'm killing everybody.

01:37:46.000 No, he's gentle.

01:37:47.000 He's the most loving man in the world.

01:37:50.000 You talk to him, he's soft-spoken, but there's still a little thing, like, is Mike going to hit me?

01:37:54.000 My friend Kevin Lee said it best.

01:37:56.000 Kevin Lee fights for the UFC. He said, when he's sitting next to him, he goes, that's a lion!

01:38:00.000 He goes, I'm sitting next to him, like, is that Mike Tyson?

01:38:03.000 He goes, that's a lion!

01:38:05.000 It's like you're sitting next to him like, okay.

01:38:08.000 I hope everything's cool.

01:38:10.000 Oh my god.

01:38:11.000 This fight, man, I just wish him the best.

01:38:14.000 I know he's back to training and stuff.

01:38:16.000 You just want him to be safe and healthy in his time.

01:38:20.000 But that's a man I don't ever count out.

01:38:22.000 But god damn, seeing him just put up those little displays of...

01:38:26.000 Terrifying.

01:38:28.000 It's what?

01:38:28.000 It's heat-seeking missiles coming from his shoulders.

01:38:32.000 Well, not only that, he wasn't doing anything like a year ago.

01:38:35.000 When I had him in here for the podcast, he said he didn't want to stoke his ego.

01:38:40.000 He didn't want to work out.

01:38:41.000 He goes, because if I work out, my ego fires up.

01:38:44.000 There he is.

01:38:45.000 Look at this.

01:38:46.000 Look at this shit here.

01:38:49.000 That's interesting, but that's just shadow boxing.

01:38:51.000 What's crazy is he's training with Rafael Cordero, who's one of the best MMA trainers, one of the best striking trainers in the world.

01:39:00.000 He came from a legendary camp out of Brazil, Curitiba, Brazil, called Shoot the Box.

01:39:05.000 It's like the legendary team of marauders.

01:39:10.000 From Brazil, the golden glory days of Pride, Pride was a competitor to the UFC, was defined in a lot of ways.

01:39:20.000 The glory days were defined by this one team from Brazil that Rafael Cordero was a part of.

01:39:24.000 And then that guy, training Mike Tyson now, and he's been super successful training mixed martial arts fighters too.

01:39:30.000 But I found it very interesting that Mike chose to train with that guy and to see the way they're going at it.

01:39:35.000 I mean, he's not boxing.

01:39:37.000 He's trying to destroy motherfuckers.

01:39:41.000 I respect the trainer.

01:39:44.000 I respect the trainer for standing in the way of that shit.

01:39:50.000 One accidental oops.

01:39:53.000 Missiles.

01:39:54.000 Just missiles are coming right near his head.

01:39:57.000 Boom!

01:39:58.000 Boom!

01:39:59.000 Boom!

01:39:59.000 You gotta just bow down.

01:40:01.000 And you know what, man?

01:40:04.000 We're still in the presence of greatness.

01:40:06.000 And as people, I don't think we should ever forget that.

01:40:09.000 Well, what's crazy is he's 53 years old.

01:40:12.000 He's doing this and he's only been doing this again for like less than a year.

01:40:16.000 So it's only been like four or five months that he's really been training hard and everything's just coming back.

01:40:22.000 I mean, I wonder.

01:40:23.000 I wonder what it is.

01:40:24.000 I wonder if he just was bored.

01:40:26.000 I mean, I really wonder.

01:40:27.000 This is the crazy shit.

01:40:29.000 Jesus Christ.

01:40:30.000 Jesus Christ.

01:40:31.000 If you saw that guy...

01:40:34.000 If you saw that guy training and he was a 22-year-old kid, you're like, man, this motherfucker's gonna be something.

01:40:40.000 Because he's just got an intensity that you rarely see from any fighter.

01:40:45.000 There's a fury that burns inside of him.

01:40:48.000 You can't manufacture that.

01:40:50.000 You either have that or you don't.

01:40:52.000 And he found a way to reignite it.

01:40:53.000 Reignite it.

01:40:54.000 I swear you beat me to it.

01:40:56.000 You beat me to it.

01:40:57.000 But isn't that what we...

01:41:00.000 We hope for or, you know, we hope that we get.

01:41:04.000 You know, I think at that age 50, that's a very pivotal point in your life because, you know, from when you're born to 50,

01:41:21.000 that's okay.

01:41:24.000 All my years...

01:41:26.000 Fun are out the way, my craziness, my growth, my maturity, and now I'm supposed to start to be a little complacent.

01:41:39.000 I'm now at that...

01:41:42.000 At that hill where I'm looking on the other side of life.

01:41:45.000 Now it's time to go on that other side.

01:41:47.000 And when you're on the other side, even if you're still on a high about living and about career and everything, you're on the other side.

01:41:56.000 It's a different thing when you're on the other side.

01:41:59.000 I made it here.

01:42:00.000 Now, how many more years?

01:42:01.000 It's a blessing to get more time after this because I made it to the top.

01:42:05.000 And now, you know, on this other side, is it relaxing?

01:42:09.000 Is it not?

01:42:10.000 Am I comfortable?

01:42:11.000 Am I a little depressed that I'm getting old?

01:42:14.000 Am I not?

01:42:15.000 Whatever those emotions and feelings are, they're real.

01:42:18.000 And a lot of people experience it, have them.

01:42:20.000 So to find something else to make you go, I'm ready again.

01:42:26.000 Will Smith did it.

01:42:27.000 Will Smith kicked in.

01:42:28.000 Yeah.

01:42:29.000 Will Smith, something clicked.

01:42:32.000 Something clicked on Will Smith.

01:42:34.000 For years, Will Smith wasn't around and Will will talk to you.

01:42:38.000 Will will talk to you, Will will tell you.

01:42:39.000 But something clicked and he said at this age, at 50, I'm going to go get it again.

01:42:48.000 I'm going to go after it again.

01:42:52.000 Because I can.

01:42:53.000 Like, it's something in there that Will Smith realizes that he has.

01:42:58.000 And at any given moment, I can.

01:43:02.000 And that's what Will Smith showed us.

01:43:04.000 Will Smith wasn't on social media.

01:43:06.000 Will Smith wasn't in this, you know, in the Generation X. You know, he wasn't in our face.

01:43:13.000 He wasn't up in the fucking vlogs and shit and YouTube on a day-to-day.

01:43:19.000 He didn't have more movies coming out.

01:43:22.000 It was very far, few, and in between.

01:43:23.000 And then he said, I'll do it when the fuck I want.

01:43:27.000 And he turned it on.

01:43:30.000 30-something million followers.

01:43:31.000 40-something million followers.

01:43:33.000 Whatever.

01:43:34.000 Vlogs on YouTube.

01:43:35.000 I'm on Snapchat.

01:43:36.000 I'm on it all.

01:43:37.000 Twitter.

01:43:38.000 TikTok.

01:43:38.000 I'm going to show you how to do it.

01:43:39.000 I got my own team.

01:43:40.000 We showed you guys a new way to do this shit.

01:43:42.000 I'm producing it.

01:43:43.000 Different than it was.

01:43:45.000 I'm back to doing movies.

01:43:46.000 Here's my new movies.

01:43:47.000 We're using a new technology.

01:43:48.000 Jim and I, man.

01:43:49.000 Young me.

01:43:49.000 Old me.

01:43:50.000 He's fucking doing what he wants.

01:43:53.000 Because he said he can.

01:43:56.000 Everybody doesn't have that.

01:43:59.000 Everybody can't do that.

01:44:01.000 You got a lot of people that try, but they don't do that.

01:44:05.000 You don't go from being number one and saying, I'm not going to do it, and I had some failures or whatever in here, and it fall off.

01:44:13.000 Fuck it, I'm ready to be number one again.

01:44:15.000 That's some of our favorite stories, though, of someone who comes back.

01:44:18.000 Dave Chappelle's a perfect example of that.

01:44:21.000 I can do what the fuck I want.

01:44:24.000 Not only that, Dave did it in a legendary way.

01:44:27.000 They offer him all this money to do this Comedy Central show in a different way.

01:44:32.000 They want him to change it and tone it down.

01:44:34.000 They want to make it more suitable for advertisers.

01:44:37.000 Too many voices.

01:44:38.000 And he's like, you know what?

01:44:39.000 I'm just gonna go to Africa.

01:44:40.000 I'm out.

01:44:41.000 He just went to Africa.

01:44:42.000 I'm out.

01:44:42.000 Just took off and then came back and said, I quit.

01:44:45.000 And then stop doing stand-up.

01:44:47.000 He was doing, I don't know if you know, he was doing stand-up in a park in Seattle.

01:44:51.000 He'd show up with a fucking box, plug a microphone into it, and just start doing stand-up.

01:44:56.000 And people would gather around like, what the fuck is happening here?

01:44:59.000 No, he didn't want any money.

01:45:00.000 He would just show up at shows.

01:45:02.000 If he wanted to do a show, he would show up at a comedy club.

01:45:04.000 No money.

01:45:05.000 Just show up.

01:45:06.000 Do a show after the show is over.

01:45:07.000 Are you ready to laugh?

01:45:09.000 It's a great Dave Chappelle story.

01:45:11.000 I'm in Seattle.

01:45:13.000 I think I was in Seattle.

01:45:15.000 Sold out.

01:45:16.000 Got like some arena fucking thing I'm doing in Seattle.

01:45:19.000 And we got two shows same night.

01:45:22.000 We do about 30,000 people.

01:45:25.000 Right?

01:45:26.000 Fucking great day in Seattle.

01:45:28.000 I get word that Dave Chappelle is in Seattle.

01:45:34.000 And Dave Chappelle randomly put up a theater show.

01:45:37.000 And he's performing.

01:45:41.000 Tonight?

01:45:42.000 Yeah, he's performing tonight.

01:45:45.000 Call Dave.

01:45:45.000 Dave, are you fucking in Seattle?

01:45:47.000 Yeah.

01:45:49.000 Wouldn't you book a show here?

01:45:50.000 I would have fucking came.

01:45:52.000 Dude, I'm here.

01:45:53.000 I'm at the theater.

01:45:54.000 Oh, I didn't even know, man.

01:45:56.000 What do you mean?

01:45:57.000 Dave, I'm at the fucking arena.

01:45:59.000 I'm going to see if I can get down there to you.

01:46:01.000 All right, man.

01:46:01.000 I just put them up.

01:46:02.000 What time do you think you're going to get here?

01:46:04.000 I don't know.

01:46:06.000 After my show, I'll push the time back, man.

01:46:11.000 Dave, what?

01:46:12.000 Push the time back?

01:46:13.000 What did you put on set?

01:46:14.000 I don't know, man.

01:46:15.000 I just tell him I'll do it and I'll show up, man.

01:46:17.000 I just call him, tell him we're gonna push it back, man.

01:46:20.000 I get to the fucking theater.

01:46:23.000 I rush after our show.

01:46:26.000 Dave has a trailer And there's like a little motor thing on the back of the trailer.

01:46:34.000 It's like a little bus.

01:46:36.000 Fucking motor trend-like bus.

01:46:39.000 And then there's like little things that you pull shit in attached to it.

01:46:44.000 I said, what are you doing here?

01:46:45.000 He's like, I don't know, man.

01:46:46.000 We've been doing cross-country.

01:46:47.000 We're taking our bikes, man.

01:46:49.000 We're riding cross-country.

01:46:49.000 So I just, when I need money, I just book a show.

01:46:53.000 I said, what?

01:46:55.000 What?

01:46:57.000 What?

01:46:58.000 What the fuck?

01:46:59.000 He's so different.

01:47:01.000 He's so different and he's so him.

01:47:03.000 But the freedom.

01:47:04.000 Yeah.

01:47:05.000 Dave has a level of freedom.

01:47:07.000 Me and Chris Rock talk about it, man.

01:47:08.000 No one's like him.

01:47:10.000 His level of freedom.

01:47:11.000 I put myself in this place.

01:47:13.000 I got the corporate relationships and the CEO hat and the companies.

01:47:19.000 So I can't.

01:47:22.000 Do certain things because the consequences aren't just for me.

01:47:25.000 It's for the people that are underneath this umbrella.

01:47:28.000 If something were to happen, I have to be responsible.

01:47:33.000 I have to understand that it's not just about me.

01:47:36.000 And I'm envious and jealous.

01:47:40.000 Of Dave's ability to go and be free as a comic in the times where we desperately need to be.

01:47:48.000 Yes.

01:47:48.000 We desperately need to be.

01:47:51.000 And Dave can be.

01:47:53.000 And I bow down to him.

01:47:56.000 I don't give a fuck about these numbers, anything I got.

01:48:00.000 Dave, in my opinion, you're the GOAT. In my opinion, your last special...

01:48:10.000 Has allowed you to surpass the Richard Pryor, in my opinion.

01:48:16.000 Dave Chappelle, I got to witness, do groundbreaking, controversial movement as a comedian in the times where comedy was being frowned upon.

01:48:35.000 Comedians were being held accountable For doing what we thought we would never be ridiculed for.

01:48:45.000 The one person that stood on a pedestal that got the attention that no others can get outside of a myself, a rock, a Seinfeld, he said, in the time where the fucking fire is the hottest,

01:49:03.000 I'm going to do what nobody else will.

01:49:09.000 You gotta fucking applaud that.

01:49:11.000 He stood up for comedy.

01:49:12.000 He stood up for comedy.

01:49:14.000 Whether you want to see that or not, he did that.

01:49:18.000 Yes, he did it when there was the most pressure.

01:49:20.000 When it was the most fucking pressure, and when the times of, we can cancel you, by the way, which is the stupidest shit that I've ever fucking witnessed in my 40 years of life.

01:49:31.000 The whole idea of, I can kill you today with the goddamn click of a button.

01:49:37.000 I can end your life!

01:49:38.000 By the way, this is a real feeling that people have.

01:49:40.000 I'm in control of your life.

01:49:42.000 If I want your life to stop and be over, I'll cancel you.

01:49:45.000 And that means you can't live no more.

01:49:46.000 This is how ridiculous it is.

01:49:48.000 Think about the meaning of cancel culture.

01:49:50.000 So you're saying that my life is over, I can no longer survive or provide for myself.

01:49:55.000 Cancel!

01:49:56.000 I don't know.

01:49:57.000 Figure it out.

01:49:57.000 You're canceled.

01:49:59.000 Dave Chappelle said, fuck all that.

01:50:02.000 Do what you gonna do, I'm gonna do me.

01:50:05.000 That is...

01:50:06.000 Epic.

01:50:07.000 That is groundbreaking.

01:50:09.000 That is goat-like behavior.

01:50:11.000 So I bow down to Mr. Chappelle.

01:50:14.000 He's very important.

01:50:15.000 He's one of the most important figures in the history of comedy.

01:50:18.000 Absolutely!

01:50:19.000 Because of the fact that he's willing to do this when the scrutiny is the highest.

01:50:23.000 And also just his story.

01:50:27.000 The way he did it.

01:50:29.000 The way he walked away for ten years and then came back and immediately went right to the top.

01:50:35.000 That is my brother from another mother.

01:50:39.000 I love him.

01:50:40.000 I love that guy.

01:50:41.000 Chris Rock and me.

01:50:42.000 I'll give you one more.

01:50:42.000 Me and Chris Rock were at the Comedy Cellar.

01:50:44.000 I called Chris.

01:50:45.000 Hey, Chris, come down to the cellar, man.

01:50:47.000 I'm going to work on some jokes tonight.

01:50:49.000 I'll see what you think.

01:50:50.000 All right, Kev.

01:50:51.000 I'll come down.

01:50:52.000 Chris comes down.

01:50:52.000 He said, yeah, I'm going to get up, too.

01:50:53.000 I got some shit I'm working on, too.

01:50:54.000 So tell me what you think.

01:50:55.000 But I go on stage.

01:50:57.000 Chris Rock sits in the back of the cellar.

01:51:00.000 Get off stage.

01:51:01.000 Chris like, funny shit, Kev.

01:51:03.000 I was like, yeah, you like it, right?

01:51:04.000 Got some stuff, got some notes.

01:51:05.000 He said, yo, I'm about to go out.

01:51:06.000 All right, done.

01:51:06.000 I'm sitting here.

01:51:07.000 I'm watching.

01:51:08.000 Chris goes up.

01:51:09.000 Chris got some funny shit.

01:51:10.000 Fuck Chris.

01:51:11.000 Funny.

01:51:12.000 I like it, man.

01:51:12.000 Chris have a nice conversation.

01:51:13.000 Go upstairs.

01:51:14.000 We're about to eat.

01:51:15.000 Dave comes in.

01:51:16.000 What up, Dave?

01:51:17.000 What you doing?

01:51:17.000 I was going to go up.

01:51:19.000 Oh, fuck, man.

01:51:20.000 Chris went up.

01:51:21.000 We're going to come down and watch you.

01:51:22.000 All right.

01:51:23.000 Dave goes on stage.

01:51:26.000 Dave does about an hour.

01:51:27.000 There's a moment where Dave is probably at about 40, 45 minutes in.

01:51:32.000 Me and Chris both look at each other and at the same time, without saying the word, balled up the material that we just worked on.

01:51:39.000 We fucking, without saying it, without saying it, I ripped the page that I had in my little book and Chris just balled up his little fucking thing and we were like, he's unbelievable.

01:51:52.000 We came in, crafted, we got some shit that we wanted to fucking work on.

01:51:56.000 Dave just went up there and talked It's like he's living like a legend.

01:52:00.000 You know what I mean?

01:52:01.000 If you wanted to have a legend of a comedian, you would talk about a guy who created the greatest sketch show of all time.

01:52:08.000 I mean, it only went for two seasons.

01:52:10.000 But when you talk about sketches like Clayton Bigsby, when you talk about the Rick James shit, these are so classic.

01:52:17.000 They're unstoppable.

01:52:19.000 And then he goes away.

01:52:22.000 He goes away like a fucking mountain man.

01:52:24.000 He vanishes.

01:52:25.000 He's in a farm in Ohio.

01:52:27.000 Where is he?

01:52:29.000 He's on a farm.

01:52:30.000 He's on a fucking farm!

01:52:31.000 He's on a farm in Ohio.

01:52:32.000 What?

01:52:33.000 Is he doing comedy?

01:52:35.000 Sometimes he randomly just shows up.

01:52:37.000 He's at his barn.

01:52:38.000 He does this for 10 years.

01:52:40.000 I was in Denver, right?

01:52:42.000 And this is before his comeback.

01:52:43.000 I was in Denver, and I'm doing stand-up, and I get off stage, and I open the green room, and Dave's there.

01:52:51.000 I go, Dave, what are you doing?

01:52:53.000 And he goes, oh, hey, Joe.

01:52:54.000 I just decided to fly into Denver.

01:52:56.000 I go, you don't have a show scheduled?

01:52:58.000 No, man, I heard you were here.

01:53:00.000 I started flying.

01:53:01.000 I go, do you want to go up?

01:53:02.000 He goes, oh, should I? I go, fuck yeah.

01:53:04.000 Hold on a second.

01:53:05.000 I run back.

01:53:06.000 People are leaving.

01:53:07.000 People are getting up.

01:53:08.000 I go, come back.

01:53:09.000 Come back.

01:53:09.000 Tell everybody to come back.

01:53:11.000 I go, Dave Chappelle's here.

01:53:12.000 They're like, what?

01:53:14.000 They all come back, sit down, and he does 40 minutes and destroys.

01:53:19.000 I love the best part of that story is, you want to go up?

01:53:22.000 Should I? Dave!

01:53:24.000 Dave, you just took a flight to Denver!

01:53:27.000 Yeah, Dave, why not?

01:53:28.000 I guess.

01:53:29.000 So then he takes me out.

01:53:30.000 We go out on the town to all these fucking spots that I didn't even know existed in Denver.

01:53:36.000 He knows where all these after hours places are.

01:53:38.000 You go behind an alley, you knock on a door, they open it up.

01:53:42.000 Everything's velvet lined.

01:53:44.000 There's a small private bar.

01:53:46.000 He is one of one.

01:53:48.000 He's one of one.

01:53:49.000 One of one.

01:53:51.000 This is what the fuck it should be.

01:53:53.000 This is us embracing.

01:53:55.000 This is us embracing.

01:53:57.000 We're embracing someone.

01:53:59.000 Yes.

01:54:00.000 Embracing.

01:54:00.000 There's nothing wrong with that world.

01:54:03.000 It's important.

01:54:03.000 There's nothing wrong.

01:54:04.000 There's nothing wrong.

01:54:06.000 With embracing someone as doing fucking what you can deem as great shit?

01:54:12.000 You're supposed to.

01:54:14.000 You have to.

01:54:14.000 It's part of the thing.

01:54:15.000 You have to sing praise, shower praise on people that are doing it the right way.

01:54:21.000 No one's ever done it better than Dave.

01:54:23.000 He's doing it the right way.

01:54:24.000 And even, like I said, even the legendary story, he's like a character in a book.

01:54:30.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:54:31.000 A mountain man.

01:54:32.000 He's like a mountain man.

01:54:33.000 He goes off to a farm outside of Dayton, Ohio.

01:54:37.000 Who the fuck does that?

01:54:38.000 By the way, it tells me.

01:54:39.000 Kev, you gotta come down to the farm.

01:54:40.000 Dave, I don't...

01:54:41.000 No one has that kind of time.

01:54:44.000 Dave, I don't wanna...

01:54:44.000 What do you want me to do down there, Dave?

01:54:47.000 What do you want me to do?

01:54:48.000 You gotta come down, man.

01:54:49.000 It's a good time.

01:54:50.000 We're gonna have a good time, man.

01:54:52.000 It's the barn, fires, music.

01:54:55.000 Dave...

01:54:56.000 It's a farm.

01:54:57.000 You gotta promise me.

01:54:58.000 Alright, I'm coming, Dave.

01:55:00.000 Literally, I can only hope to be remotely close to as creative as he is at that point in my career and find this Jell-O. He's in an amazing Jell-O right now.

01:55:15.000 He knows who he is.

01:55:17.000 He's not compromising.

01:55:18.000 No one can tell him any different.

01:55:21.000 He is who he is.

01:55:23.000 I mean, he's unapologetically himself, and he gets it.

01:55:29.000 Part of his brilliance is not just being a brilliant observer and a brilliant orator and a describer of life, but also in being who he is perfectly.

01:55:40.000 He doesn't have any conflict in being who he is.

01:55:44.000 He knows who he is.

01:55:45.000 He knows how to do it right.

01:55:47.000 And he's okay with not having.

01:55:49.000 And when he walks on stage, man, he strolls on that stage like he belongs there.

01:55:53.000 He's okay.

01:55:54.000 Yeah.

01:55:55.000 He doesn't give a fuck.

01:55:56.000 You know Eddie Murphy?

01:55:58.000 I've met Eddie Murphy.

01:55:59.000 I don't know him very well, but I knew his brother Charlie very well.

01:56:02.000 Listen, Eddie, we had a dinner one night, and it was Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, me, Chris Rock, Chris Tucker.

01:56:15.000 Holy shit.

01:56:16.000 And Dwayne Wade, Gabrielle Union, and Usher had came.

01:56:21.000 Wow.

01:56:21.000 Right?

01:56:22.000 So we're at this dinner, and me and Chris was like, yo, we should get, let's just put a dinner together where we all just come out.

01:56:30.000 Because me and Chris love to fucking just hear Eddie go.

01:56:35.000 Like, Eddie is pound for pound.

01:56:39.000 The funniest person you can ever be around.

01:56:41.000 Like, effortlessly.

01:56:42.000 Not trying.

01:56:43.000 Just in story.

01:56:45.000 This dinner goes down in history is the funniest night of my life in conversation.

01:56:55.000 And you got to see comics be in awe of one another.

01:57:00.000 You got to see us appreciate each other.

01:57:03.000 Like everybody talked and this wasn't a one-up story.

01:57:08.000 This was a conversation.

01:57:10.000 But you saw why the goats were the goats.

01:57:16.000 You saw why the goats were the goats.

01:57:19.000 You clearly saw that I was young in class.

01:57:22.000 And I'm the guy that's coming up in the rear and I'm like, I'm happy to be there.

01:57:28.000 Fucking must be ecstatic to be there.

01:57:30.000 Man, I'm fucking smiling.

01:57:32.000 Ear to ear, man.

01:57:33.000 Look at that picture.

01:57:33.000 There's a picture of it.

01:57:34.000 That's it right there.

01:57:35.000 Holy shit.

01:57:36.000 I'm smiling ear to ear.

01:57:38.000 Damn, Jamie.

01:57:39.000 Skills.

01:57:39.000 I'm smiling air to fucking air and I remember there was a moment where we were talking and Eddie would say something and then Chris was like come on man you know damn well Eddie ain't nobody doing that and then you would fucking hear Dave shut up damn it Chris with you and rock and then I'm just there quiet I'm just fucking quiet and then I would have moments where I would tune in but literally you saw why The goats were the goats.

01:58:06.000 Wow.

01:58:07.000 I'm telling you, one of the most epic dentists.

01:58:09.000 I have this picture framed in my house.

01:58:12.000 That's amazing.

01:58:13.000 That's an amazing picture.

01:58:14.000 Framed in my fucking house.

01:58:15.000 God, I hope Eddie comes back.

01:58:17.000 I know he's been talking about it.

01:58:18.000 He's been talking about it.

01:58:19.000 Did you see that one thing that he did?

01:58:21.000 There was some sort of an award show where he came up and talked on the podium and he was doing material and he was talking about them taking away Bill Cosby's degrees.

01:58:30.000 No!

01:58:30.000 You never seen it?

01:58:31.000 No!

01:58:31.000 Oh, Jamie, find it.

01:58:33.000 Find it.

01:58:33.000 Yeah.

01:58:34.000 Recent?

01:58:35.000 It's recent?

01:58:36.000 It's like within the last couple of years.

01:58:37.000 Bro, his timing is on point.

01:58:40.000 It's like he would just get up there right now and murder.

01:58:43.000 Well, you saw it also in his SNL sketch.

01:58:47.000 He did the one SNL sketch where he did the...

01:58:50.000 It was like the holiday family, and it was like the black family, and his daughter brought the white guy home.

01:58:57.000 And it was the black family's reaction to it, because he was staying there over the weekend, so Eddie was the dad.

01:59:02.000 But you saw his timing.

01:59:03.000 His timing was amazing.

01:59:04.000 It's still there, man.

01:59:05.000 He's still fucking Eddie Murphy.

01:59:07.000 We'll play this and we'll wrap this up.

01:59:09.000 We'll just end it on this.

01:59:10.000 Your shit is available on Audible.

01:59:12.000 Yes, sir.

01:59:12.000 Now?

01:59:13.000 Yes, sir.

01:59:13.000 Right now?

01:59:13.000 Right now.

01:59:14.000 Go get it.

01:59:15.000 You're a brilliant person.

01:59:16.000 I really appreciate you.

01:59:17.000 I really appreciate you being here.

01:59:18.000 I fuck with you, Joe.

01:59:20.000 I'm serious, man.

01:59:22.000 I want to say this.

01:59:24.000 I couldn't be happier for you.

01:59:26.000 And for all of your listeners, all of your supporters, I want to thank y'all for staying with this man and riding with this man through the years.

01:59:36.000 Because, you know, to build something and have that something mean something, that's valuable.

01:59:42.000 Dude, you serve a very strong purpose in today's time.

01:59:46.000 I'm a fan, and I'm happy to call myself a friend.

01:59:49.000 I fuck with you, Joe.

01:59:50.000 I appreciate you.

01:59:51.000 I mean that, man.

01:59:51.000 Appreciate you.

01:59:52.000 All right, man.

01:59:53.000 Eddie Murphy, ladies and gentlemen.

01:59:54.000 Listen to this.

01:59:56.000 Bill has one of these.

02:00:01.000 Did y'all make Bill give his back?

02:00:05.000 No, because I know there was a big outcry from people.

02:00:07.000 They was trying to get Bill to give his trophies back.

02:00:10.000 You know you f***ed up when they want you to give your trophies back.

02:00:19.000 You want to give his trophy back, too?

02:00:21.000 He should do one show where he just come out and just talk crazy now.

02:00:26.000 I would like to talk to some of the people who feel that I should give back my stories!

02:00:46.000 Oh, it's only a piece of it, huh?

02:00:48.000 The whole thing's on there, but it's Mark Twain's speech.

02:00:51.000 Wow.

02:00:52.000 Well, if we play more, they'll probably pull it down anyway.

02:00:54.000 That's good enough.

02:00:55.000 Oh, my God.

02:00:55.000 It was brilliant.

02:00:56.000 Strong.

02:00:57.000 Thank you so much, man.

02:00:57.000 Thank you, brother.

02:00:58.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 25, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1480 - Kevin Hart

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