The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1497

00:00:02.000 Ditch him up!

00:00:03.000 What's up, brother?

00:00:04.000 How you doing?

00:00:05.000 We're rolling.

00:00:06.000 Rolling.

00:00:07.000 So, I've been talking about you a lot lately.

00:00:09.000 I appreciate that.

00:00:10.000 You know I love you.

00:00:11.000 I love you too.

00:00:12.000 But it's also your Instagram page has become a highlight of police brutality.

00:00:17.000 And I know you take a lot of shit for it, but I think it's very important.

00:00:21.000 And we were just talking about this.

00:00:22.000 I think it's important not just for the people, but I think it's important for the police.

00:00:28.000 I think it's important for police reform.

00:00:30.000 I think they need to see.

00:00:32.000 Like, this is what happens when you have shitty people doing this very fucking difficult job, and you got a lot of them.

00:00:40.000 I think, you know, my thing was it just became...

00:00:44.000 Everybody just always says, well, it's only a few bad apples, a few bad apples, a few bad apples.

00:00:49.000 And I'm like, well, I can just show you there's a lot of these bad apples.

00:00:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:00:52.000 And I think that, like you said, it's better for future police.

00:00:55.000 But if they're so scared to do their job, it's because everyone hates them.

00:01:00.000 Because everybody hates them because they're constantly being dickheads to everybody.

00:01:04.000 That makes it worse for the good cops.

00:01:05.000 You know what I mean?

00:01:06.000 I do know what you mean.

00:01:07.000 I was talking about this the other day with Coleon Noir and we were saying that it's a job that is almost impossible to do for the average person.

00:01:18.000 You need to be like a fucking Navy SEAL. You need to be like a person who's gone through some rigorous training And a person who really understands how to defuse situations, need to be a person who knows how to keep your shit together, a person who knows how to respect people.

00:01:31.000 They need a lot more training.

00:01:33.000 Jocko Willink was talking about that.

00:01:34.000 He said, I think they should have 20% training.

00:01:36.000 He goes, they train for like You know, a couple of weeks.

00:01:40.000 It's like nine weeks or something.

00:01:41.000 Yeah, and then it's over.

00:01:42.000 And then they're out there in the field.

00:01:43.000 He goes, I think 20% of their time should be spent training.

00:01:46.000 I don't mean to interrupt you, but maybe it's even worse than that, is it's not nine weeks and then the field.

00:01:51.000 In LA County, you want to be a sheriff?

00:01:53.000 It's nine weeks or however long, and if it's 10 weeks, I'm sorry, or 12 weeks.

00:01:56.000 It's not that many weeks.

00:01:58.000 Right out of the academy, you go straight to two years in the jail.

00:02:03.000 They're like, oh, all the human interaction you've had before you went to the academy, now we're going to surround you by the worst examples of everybody for two years.

00:02:10.000 And then you're going to go on the streets and try to be normal.

00:02:13.000 You go to jails for two years?

00:02:15.000 Two year minimum.

00:02:16.000 What?

00:02:16.000 All sheriffs.

00:02:18.000 That's probably because they just need people in the jails, right?

00:02:20.000 Well, that goes back to what...

00:02:22.000 I mean, I feel like they...

00:02:26.000 There's a lot of shit going on there.

00:02:28.000 There's a lot of shit going on there.

00:02:29.000 First of all, there's private prisons.

00:02:31.000 Then there's drug laws.

00:02:33.000 Those are the two big ones.

00:02:35.000 You want to find out why the fucking prisons are filled up with people.

00:02:38.000 Those are two big ones right there.

00:02:40.000 How many people are in jail for shit they should never be in jail for?

00:02:43.000 Decisions that other people make with their own body that doesn't harm anybody other than themselves.

00:02:48.000 You could buy alcohol, but you can't buy coke.

00:02:50.000 You can't buy weed.

00:02:52.000 Nonviolent drug offenses is a giant percentage of the population.

00:02:56.000 And then you said they go to jail for that.

00:02:59.000 Because they made a mistake.

00:03:00.000 But then they don't just get out of jail and they're free.

00:03:02.000 They put you on probation.

00:03:04.000 And they put these extended five years probation.

00:03:06.000 Anything's a probation violation.

00:03:08.000 And then they just keep you back into that same system.

00:03:10.000 Back into the same system.

00:03:11.000 Back to the same system.

00:03:12.000 You know, Father's Day, I was out back.

00:03:16.000 I did like a post around my kids.

00:03:17.000 You know, I'm really proud of my kids.

00:03:19.000 So I did a post on Father's Day.

00:03:20.000 And I was like, man, it's Father's Day.

00:03:21.000 I'm gonna chill.

00:03:22.000 I'm gonna smoke a joint.

00:03:23.000 Fucking crack a beer.

00:03:24.000 It's like 10 o'clock in the morning.

00:03:25.000 I'm gonna do that on Father's Day, you know?

00:03:27.000 And...

00:03:28.000 I'm sitting there, a swirl of joy, and I'm like, I want to do a post for Ignite.

00:03:32.000 Shout out to Ignite.

00:03:33.000 And I'm like, it hit me like it's Father's Day.

00:03:36.000 How many fathers are in prison right now still to this day over something that I can do legally and post on the Instagram now?

00:03:43.000 It's insane.

00:03:44.000 Not only that.

00:03:44.000 It's insane.

00:03:45.000 In jail for something that's now an essential.

00:03:47.000 Like it's an essential thing that you can do during COVID. Like when everything was locked down, you could still buy weed.

00:03:53.000 Nuts.

00:03:54.000 It's crazy.

00:03:55.000 And then you can't just blindly turn your eyes to all this stuff.

00:03:58.000 No.

00:03:59.000 With everything going on in the world, that's why I'm putting this stuff on my Instagram.

00:04:03.000 It needs to be seen.

00:04:04.000 Yeah, I'm glad you're doing it.

00:04:06.000 Thank you.

00:04:06.000 And I know you take a lot of hate for it, and that's one of the reasons why I highlighted it.

00:04:10.000 I want to...

00:04:11.000 Shine people your way and let them know.

00:04:13.000 Like, you're not doing this because you're a dickhead.

00:04:15.000 You're doing it because you're showing horrible shit.

00:04:18.000 There's a video that you show that I've watched so many times, man.

00:04:21.000 There's the cop that rear naked chokes that lady and throws her to the ground for no reason.

00:04:26.000 Horrendous.

00:04:26.000 No reason.

00:04:27.000 Horrendous.

00:04:28.000 And you would see him, like, some days I'm like, sometimes I don't have time.

00:04:31.000 I'm not even going to look at the comments because I don't want to go there.

00:04:33.000 But some days, like, today I got time.

00:04:35.000 I will battle with these fucking assholes in the comments all day long.

00:04:39.000 They'll defend that.

00:04:41.000 Well, she shouldn't have resisted.

00:04:42.000 I want context.

00:04:43.000 Show me context.

00:04:44.000 If that was your mom...

00:04:46.000 What scenario or context are you looking for that that would be okay?

00:04:49.000 Or your lady.

00:04:50.000 To jump on your back or your daughter.

00:04:52.000 Or your daughter.

00:04:53.000 Or your grandma.

00:04:53.000 Yeah, Jesus Christ.

00:04:54.000 It's nuts.

00:04:55.000 It's nuts.

00:04:56.000 It's people that shouldn't be cops.

00:04:58.000 And it's too easy to be a cop.

00:04:59.000 It's too easy.

00:05:00.000 And they don't get paid enough.

00:05:01.000 And they don't get trained well enough.

00:05:03.000 And this defunding the police shit is the wrong way to handle it.

00:05:06.000 I know they think it's the right way to handle it.

00:05:08.000 Yeah, these cops are bad.

00:05:09.000 We just take away all the money.

00:05:10.000 Oh my god, you're going to create fucking chaos.

00:05:13.000 I don't know.

00:05:13.000 I haven't looked into the defunding thing a lot.

00:05:15.000 I've heard about it a lot.

00:05:17.000 But when you talk about defunding, let's talk about why do these cops need fucking tanks in downtown?

00:05:23.000 Why do these cops need all these AR-15s and full bullet?

00:05:26.000 What are we training for?

00:05:28.000 We're trying to scare people.

00:05:30.000 Why are we spending all of these tax dollars to scare people?

00:05:33.000 I'm going to show you some shit that John Joseph sent me.

00:05:35.000 My buddy John Joseph from the Cro-Mags, he's...

00:05:40.000 This shows that people who have different points of view could be good friends, because he's a good friend of mine.

00:05:44.000 He wrote a book called Meat is for Pussies.

00:05:46.000 So there you go, folks.

00:05:48.000 We can all get along.

00:05:49.000 We really can.

00:05:50.000 You fucking idiots.

00:05:52.000 But anyway, he sent me some shit.

00:05:55.000 His friend is working homicide in Harlem, and 21 people got shot the other day.

00:06:02.000 Because nobody wants to be a cop there anymore.

00:06:04.000 So it's fucking madness.

00:06:06.000 Like, he said, it is madness in New York City.

00:06:09.000 Like, literally, goddammit, where can I find it?

00:06:11.000 Like, nobody wants to do the fucking job.

00:06:14.000 He's like, it's crazy down there.

00:06:16.000 They didn't want to do the job before, or they don't want to do the job now that the heat and the spotlight is on them.

00:06:21.000 Now everybody's resigning.

00:06:22.000 Well, if I can't do whatever I want and have absolute immunity, then I don't want the job anymore.

00:06:26.000 You shouldn't have had the fucking job to begin with.

00:06:29.000 That's a good point too.

00:06:30.000 You know what I mean?

00:06:30.000 Like, why did you have the job?

00:06:32.000 Alright, look at this.

00:06:33.000 This is all the fucking people that got shot the other night.

00:06:35.000 That's one day.

00:06:39.000 That's what happens when there's no cops.

00:06:41.000 When there's no cops and no one's policing anything, people just go ham.

00:06:45.000 I mean, that's what you saw in Santa Monica.

00:06:47.000 Santa Monica is as white as Wonder Bread, right?

00:06:49.000 And it was crazy during the looting.

00:06:53.000 I mean, crazy.

00:06:54.000 The cops were told to stand down.

00:06:56.000 They were told to stand around and watch.

00:06:58.000 So the whole thing of, you know, hey, You need the cops.

00:07:02.000 When you call them, you need them.

00:07:04.000 When shit goes crazy, the cops are there for you.

00:07:06.000 Not that time.

00:07:07.000 The sheriff actually told them to not do anything.

00:07:10.000 So people were smashing windows and stealing things, and they're standing around.

00:07:13.000 There's videos of this one guy running around the street pointing guns at people, cars smashing into each other.

00:07:18.000 It's like a movie.

00:07:19.000 What was the point of telling them to stand down?

00:07:21.000 I think they thought that people were going to burn all this anger out, the George Floyd anger, and that somehow or another, like, let them do it and then we'll clean up the mess.

00:07:31.000 It's just incompetent policing.

00:07:33.000 It's incompetent leadership.

00:07:34.000 So does the person that made that choice, do we vote for him?

00:07:36.000 Because everybody should probably vote for her.

00:07:38.000 Like, these are the kind of decisions that need to be made.

00:07:40.000 And you have to ask yourself, what was the purpose in telling them that?

00:07:44.000 Well, this is a liberal, progressive perspective.

00:07:47.000 This is something that they've tried in a bunch of different cities.

00:07:51.000 They also, de Blasio did the same thing in New York City.

00:07:53.000 Cops were literally told to stand down.

00:07:55.000 And the cops are standing there, and they're doing nothing.

00:07:59.000 The videos from New York City are the nuttiest, because people are filming them from their apartments.

00:08:04.000 So they're looking down on the street while cars are running people over, and people are smashing into windows and running in and stealing stuff.

00:08:11.000 All these kids just wanting free shit.

00:08:13.000 Nothing to do with black lives for the most part.

00:08:15.000 A lot of them were just opportunists looking for stealing and then also caught up in the chaos of the smashing windows and stealing stuff and then the cops aren't doing anything and they're young and they've been out of work for three fucking months and everybody's broke.

00:08:28.000 It's just so many factors compounded together.

00:08:32.000 Giuliani was actually on Fox News talking about there's a particular like political perspective on how to deal with looting and riots in these particular situations and the idea is to let it burn out.

00:08:42.000 Let these people burn it out of their system, but that it doesn't work.

00:08:45.000 He's like this is an outdated style of policing that they figured out doesn't work in like the 60s and 70s.

00:08:52.000 But there's a lot of progressive people that are in positions of leadership that still think it's a good idea.

00:08:58.000 Seems like a terrible idea.

00:08:59.000 Well, nobody knows really what the fuck to do when everything goes haywire.

00:09:02.000 It's like theories.

00:09:03.000 Like, what do you do?

00:09:05.000 Well, you better protect lives, but don't worry about property because everything's gone nuts.

00:09:09.000 And then the other perspective is send in the fucking National Guard and everybody's like, don't do that.

00:09:13.000 That's the military.

00:09:14.000 So I don't know what the correct perspective is.

00:09:16.000 And thank God I'm not a fucking governor or a mayor.

00:09:18.000 That's when you know things are fucked.

00:09:20.000 If someone like me ever gets to a position like that.

00:09:22.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:09:23.000 Part of me thinks that the National Guard would be off-duty servicemen, or however that works, that are from this city or from the area, would probably do a lot better job.

00:09:33.000 And get more respect than the police that are driving around shooting kids with pepper balls and doing all this crazy shit we're seeing everywhere.

00:09:39.000 You would say that, but one of the most egregious videos of police brutality was the National Guard in Minnesota, where those girls were on their porch.

00:09:47.000 I don't know if you saw that one.

00:09:48.000 And these National Guard dickheads are walking down the street like, get inside!

00:09:52.000 Get inside!

00:09:53.000 And they go, light them up!

00:09:54.000 And they're shooting rubber bullets at these fucking girls in their house!

00:09:59.000 They're on their porch!

00:10:00.000 These girls got hit!

00:10:02.000 It's insane.

00:10:02.000 And she's like, ow, fuck!

00:10:04.000 And she's like, inside her house.

00:10:05.000 And then a bunch of people have lost eyes.

00:10:07.000 There's a bunch of people who have lost eyes doing this.

00:10:09.000 There's so many.

00:10:10.000 And everyone now, everyone's just tagging me in videos.

00:10:12.000 And it's overwhelming.

00:10:13.000 That kid that got shot in the face, the other one lost his eye.

00:10:17.000 Multiple people have lost their eye.

00:10:19.000 Journalists have lost their eyes.

00:10:20.000 The video I posted of that guy, they're like all squared up.

00:10:24.000 He's like walking toward him talking shit or whatever and he's like smoking a cigarette and they mace him in the face and he turns around like a fucking G like hits the cigarette like what a dick turns back and they shoot him in the face point blank with like a I think it's a tear gas canister to the face in the face I saw it I mean it explodes in his face Yeah,

00:10:42.000 who knows what happened to that guy?

00:10:43.000 You know?

00:10:44.000 But it's, yeah, that is not serving or protecting.

00:10:48.000 It's neither of those things.

00:10:49.000 On any level.

00:10:50.000 And, you know, I get it, man.

00:10:52.000 Look, there's a fucking video.

00:10:54.000 We want to talk about the other perspective.

00:10:56.000 There's a video.

00:10:56.000 Go to Hector Lombard's Instagram.

00:10:58.000 There's a video.

00:11:00.000 I mean, this is where it gets really squirrely.

00:11:02.000 Because there's this dumb white guy who's in the face of this black cop.

00:11:08.000 The black cop's not doing anything.

00:11:09.000 He's doing his job.

00:11:10.000 And this guy's calling him a bitch.

00:11:12.000 He's calling him all these terrible names.

00:11:15.000 This scrawny-ass man-bun-wearing dickhead is in this cop's face like, what happened to Black Lives Matter?

00:11:23.000 Like, if this is Black Lives Matter, this is a black guy.

00:11:26.000 Like, what are you doing?

00:11:27.000 He's not even doing anything, man.

00:11:28.000 He's standing there trying to keep the peace, and you're fucking with him and inciting him.

00:11:32.000 It's people, man.

00:11:34.000 It's people.

00:11:35.000 People, there's a lot of us, suck.

00:11:38.000 And in pressure situations, a lot of us suck.

00:11:42.000 100%.

00:11:42.000 And these cops that you're seeing that are doing these horrible things, they're just fucking people, man.

00:11:48.000 And if you give a person that insane power to mace a guy in the face and then shoot him in the head with a fucking tear gas canister, that guy's got to be held accountable.

00:11:58.000 And you've got to make sure that never fucking happens again.

00:12:00.000 And that video should be used for training purposes.

00:12:02.000 But everybody else on that day, they say that there's good cops.

00:12:06.000 Everybody else on that guy's team knows that guy.

00:12:08.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:09.000 They know that guy.

00:12:10.000 You're in a locker room with all your buddies or whatever.

00:12:12.000 You know who cheats on his wife and who doesn't.

00:12:14.000 You know that guy.

00:12:15.000 You know that guy's a fucking asshole.

00:12:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:17.000 Right.

00:12:18.000 But what do you do?

00:12:20.000 It's just like, I look at it.

00:12:22.000 They feel like they can't do anything because those people protect them.

00:12:26.000 If they're in the middle of a fucking shootout, they don't want to be the guy that doesn't get back up because you ratted out the guy that shot the guy with the tear canister.

00:12:34.000 Well, if that's the problem that we're facing, then it's time to clean house and start all over again.

00:12:39.000 And everybody needs to be—you're all fired, and then you can reapply for your job, but you're going to reapply for your job from a completely different system or a completely different interview process, somebody that's not attached to you.

00:12:52.000 Because if that's the problem that you have is now I can't trust—these guys aren't going to trust me, then what are we supposed to do?

00:12:57.000 Just say it's okay every time that happens?

00:12:59.000 We shouldn't.

00:13:01.000 We definitely shouldn't say it's okay.

00:13:03.000 They need reform.

00:13:04.000 There's no question about it.

00:13:05.000 Anybody who says they don't need reform needs to go to the Joe Schilling's Instagram page.

00:13:09.000 And for real, the other one, the old man, that fucking old man that gets pushed down and cracks his fucking head.

00:13:17.000 And then those guys in solidarity quit and walk off the job.

00:13:22.000 And then when the guys get released from whatever cops got charged or released from whatever, all the other cops are outside plausiting them.

00:13:29.000 Yeah, you can't push an old guy to the ground and he cracks his head open and you walk away.

00:13:34.000 I don't know what that old guy said to them.

00:13:36.000 I mean, he's apparently an old hippie that's like been a peace activist forever.

00:13:42.000 And you know, he's like 80 something years old or something like that.

00:13:45.000 He's really old man.

00:13:47.000 Like when that 70 something years old, do you remember 75 when he gets pushed Ben, you could see he's feeble.

00:13:52.000 He falls.

00:13:53.000 He has no control over his body and bangs his fucking head off the concrete.

00:13:56.000 And they just leave him there, man.

00:13:58.000 They just leave him there.

00:14:00.000 No one's doing CPR. No one's calling a medic.

00:14:02.000 No one's checking him.

00:14:04.000 No one's holding his hand.

00:14:05.000 No one's doing a goddamn thing.

00:14:06.000 You just watch an assault.

00:14:08.000 You watch an assault on an old man.

00:14:10.000 On a helpless old man, or a helpless woman, or a helpless 13-year-old girl you're slamming around.

00:14:16.000 It's all weak, weak, weak, weak, weak men that are doing this.

00:14:20.000 You know what I mean?

00:14:21.000 And these are the ones that we give...

00:14:23.000 I don't know.

00:14:24.000 It's like this...

00:14:25.000 Lack of masculinity.

00:14:26.000 So we're like scared.

00:14:28.000 So we give somebody else the power and you're giving weak minded people guns and power, right?

00:14:33.000 You know giving people guns and power that the psychological ramifications of that job Must be crazy if you're day in day out seeing gunshots and fucking suicides and car accidents and stabbings and rape and All day long you're seeing the worst aspects of humanity that your mind gets fucked I've talked to a lot of cops that are good guys and They'll tell you like the job is hard man.

00:15:01.000 There's days where you Literally you would you think about taking your own life so you don't have to see anything anymore They say that.

00:15:10.000 I've heard that from cops.

00:15:12.000 And these are not cops that are abusive.

00:15:14.000 They're cops that are just like, man, I'm telling you, it's like, you get overwhelmed.

00:15:17.000 Like, you can only walk up on so many suicides, so many shotgun wounds to the face.

00:15:22.000 You can only walk up on so many of those and keep your sanity.

00:15:26.000 And, you know, the other thing that Jocko Willink was saying was that it's the same thing in the teams.

00:15:32.000 Like, psychologically, some people can handle anything.

00:15:36.000 And some people cannot handle anything.

00:15:38.000 Some people just one or two things and they're off tilt.

00:15:41.000 They just can't.

00:15:42.000 Oh, for sure.

00:15:43.000 But some people, they can go back home to their family and be a good dad and be a good husband and be a good neighbor and be a good person and just absorb it and just go, well, it's horrible, but hey, that's life.

00:15:56.000 That's tough.

00:15:57.000 Then that's another area that needs to be reformed is mental health with officers or whatever.

00:16:02.000 But we can't just ignore the whole thing and say, well, it's a tough job.

00:16:07.000 No, we can't.

00:16:08.000 It's like the Chris Rock thing about you can't be sometimes a good pilot and be a pilot.

00:16:13.000 You can't just crash into things.

00:16:15.000 You can't go without accountability.

00:16:19.000 Off topic, but that's how I feel about judges.

00:16:21.000 How many fights can you screw up before there's an accountability?

00:16:25.000 You know what I mean?

00:16:26.000 Yeah, no, that's a real good point.

00:16:27.000 Yeah, I mean, it's like basically every job, you know.

00:16:31.000 It's just some jobs have much higher consequences and cops, it's like the highest.

00:16:36.000 It's one of the highest.

00:16:37.000 Cops, soldiers, there's a few with the highest consequences of your mistakes, you know.

00:16:43.000 And zero accountability.

00:16:44.000 Very little.

00:16:45.000 They only do, cops don't get, don't go to regular court.

00:16:48.000 They get internal investigations.

00:16:51.000 They all protect their own.

00:16:52.000 They protect each other.

00:16:53.000 They're on their own little team.

00:16:54.000 That woman, what is her name?

00:16:56.000 Breonna Taylor?

00:16:57.000 Is that her name?

00:16:58.000 The woman who got shot in her home.

00:17:00.000 And then, no knock warrant, kicked down the wrong door.

00:17:06.000 Shot through the window.

00:17:07.000 She was playing with her son or little brother or somebody in the bed of the video game.

00:17:12.000 And then they charged her boyfriend, her husband, with attempted murder for shooting back at the person who's shooting through the window and didn't tell them they were cops.

00:17:21.000 Insane.

00:17:22.000 I mean, they have this guy cuffed in a fucking jumpsuit going to jail.

00:17:25.000 It's crazy.

00:17:27.000 And the cop who did that only got fired.

00:17:32.000 That's it.

00:17:33.000 There was another one where the guy got...

00:17:34.000 And just now, just now got fired, by the way.

00:17:37.000 That happened quite a while ago.

00:17:39.000 The one I posted of the guy in the hotel where they called, he had a pellet gun because he was like an out of town exterminator and he's with his girlfriend in a hotel room and they call the cops.

00:17:49.000 The cops come and they're like lined up down the hall with an AR-15 screaming in ridiculous orders.

00:17:54.000 Yes, crawl, crawl over here.

00:17:56.000 Hands behind your back, crawl while you have, stretch your head and your temple, but don't fucking move or I'll kill you.

00:18:00.000 Don't reach back.

00:18:01.000 The guy kept losing his pants because he didn't have a belt on.

00:18:04.000 He's crying.

00:18:05.000 He's like, please, please.

00:18:06.000 And they just fucking gun him down while he's belly down.

00:18:09.000 So they already knew what they wanted to do and they're waiting for him to give the reason.

00:18:13.000 Well, exactly.

00:18:14.000 It's not hard to tell that guy is not a threat.

00:18:16.000 Just like it's not hard to tell that that woman, like the one where they throw the woman down and the cop jumps on her back and puts her in a rear naked choke.

00:18:23.000 What do you do when you argue with your wife at home or your sister or your girlfriend?

00:18:27.000 At what point does your, where do you get the right to just jump to that conclusion just because you're a cop?

00:18:34.000 That woman's not a threat to you.

00:18:36.000 No.

00:18:36.000 That old man that I posted yesterday, they body slammed it.

00:18:39.000 I don't know if you saw the one where there's a guy who got pulled over going five miles an hour over the speed limit and the officer is threatening to pepper spray him because he's filming.

00:18:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:48.000 See that one?

00:18:49.000 Yeah.

00:18:50.000 There's a lot of them, man.

00:18:51.000 There's a lot of them.

00:18:52.000 There's another one that's a black guy, and he's just losing his shit on the cop.

00:18:57.000 That's a new one, right?

00:18:58.000 Yeah, I just saw it recently.

00:18:59.000 He's like, you pulled me over for not using my turn signal, and you walked up to my window with a gun.

00:19:04.000 I have a gun pointed at me.

00:19:05.000 What the fuck is wrong with you?

00:19:07.000 I got kids.

00:19:08.000 I got a wife.

00:19:08.000 I want to live my life.

00:19:10.000 Why the fuck?

00:19:11.000 Because I made a turn signal?

00:19:13.000 Why are these guys so terrified to do their job?

00:19:17.000 Well, you don't know what it's like to work the streets of South Side of Chicago.

00:19:20.000 There's people that grow up there.

00:19:24.000 There's people that are raised there.

00:19:25.000 There's old ladies that walk down the street there.

00:19:27.000 You know what I mean?

00:19:28.000 So don't tell me because you're too terrified to do your job.

00:19:31.000 It makes it okay for you to kill people.

00:19:33.000 Well, it's definitely not okay to behave like that because they escalate way before it becomes a real thing.

00:19:37.000 There's nothing going on.

00:19:39.000 You're pulling a guy over.

00:19:40.000 It's one thing if you're pulling a guy over and his windows are all blacked out and he's not complying, he's not rolling down his window, you should get sketched out.

00:19:47.000 And you rent his tag and he has 15 armed robbery charges or whatever.

00:19:54.000 But then, you know, there needs to be solutions.

00:19:58.000 All this complaining about it is great.

00:20:00.000 It's good.

00:20:00.000 I really think what you're doing is very good.

00:20:03.000 And I think the cops should think it too.

00:20:05.000 They really should, man, because it should highlight the need for reform and highlight the need for education and highlight the need for better training and better funding.

00:20:13.000 You want better people?

00:20:14.000 You've got to pay them.

00:20:16.000 You can't have billboards up that say, earn $50,000 a year, have a great gig.

00:20:22.000 You know, that's not the people you want, man.

00:20:24.000 You want it to be difficult to be a cop.

00:20:26.000 It sounds like a joke, but it's not a joke.

00:20:29.000 You need more training time to become a barber than it is to become a cop.

00:20:34.000 That's a fact.

00:20:34.000 That's not a joke.

00:20:35.000 It sounds like a joke.

00:20:37.000 It's not a joke.

00:20:38.000 It's a fucking fact.

00:20:39.000 We give these people that have very little training whatsoever and very little background on their mental stability.

00:20:46.000 You know a fucking weirdo when you meet him, Joe?

00:20:48.000 You're like, oh, that guy's a little off.

00:20:50.000 You're not going to give that guy a fucking gun and a badge and then the right to do whatever he wants.

00:20:54.000 And that's what we do.

00:20:55.000 And it keeps biting us in the ass all the time.

00:20:58.000 Yeah, I have a buddy of mine and he has this dude who was his trainer that kept trying to be a cop.

00:21:03.000 The guy was fucking insane.

00:21:06.000 Fucking insane.

00:21:06.000 He would tell him in the middle of training, Jesus doesn't want you doing that right now.

00:21:13.000 Jesus wants you doing something different.

00:21:14.000 And he'd be like, what?

00:21:15.000 He's like, Jesus wants you doing squats today.

00:21:17.000 Just, uh, gotta trust in the Lord, man.

00:21:20.000 Today it's squats.

00:21:21.000 He's like, what the fuck are you saying?

00:21:23.000 He's like, he was wrong.

00:21:24.000 Like, something's off in his head, right?

00:21:26.000 And he just kept saying that, yeah, Long Beach turned me down, so, uh, you know, I'm gonna try for the Pasadena Police Department.

00:21:32.000 Like, this guy was mentally unstable and he kept trying to become a cop.

00:21:36.000 Now, if one police...

00:21:39.000 Department was light on people and they needed that guy and they gave that guy a gun and let that guy pull people over and Jesus tells them to shoot somebody.

00:21:48.000 Florida's saying that they would take on the police department and Florida said we would take all the police officers at the other state that got in trouble or whatever.

00:21:55.000 Atlanta?

00:21:56.000 Whatever the fucking thing was.

00:21:57.000 Atlanta's all the police officers are not responding.

00:22:00.000 There's people that applied to be in the military and didn't pass the thing but still became cops.

00:22:06.000 It takes a lower standard to be a police officer in the U.S. than it is to be a soldier in the U.S. That's crazy.

00:22:13.000 What are we doing?

00:22:16.000 We have the same process when I was in high school.

00:22:19.000 The guys come around in their suits.

00:22:21.000 If you take the ASBAP tests on, we can show you the world.

00:22:25.000 You'll get a free education, all that shit.

00:22:26.000 You don't qualify for them.

00:22:28.000 But I can still get a badge and a gun and people are going to respect me.

00:22:32.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that.

00:22:33.000 There's a lot of that shit going on.

00:22:35.000 That's real.

00:22:35.000 You know what I mean?

00:22:36.000 No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

00:22:38.000 And it's just a poor management.

00:22:41.000 It's a poor management decision to run the police departments that way.

00:22:47.000 To have them that underfunded.

00:22:48.000 To have them that poorly represented.

00:22:51.000 Because I know there's good cops out there.

00:22:53.000 I've met them.

00:22:53.000 I know good guys that are cops.

00:22:54.000 For sure.

00:22:55.000 For sure, me too.

00:22:56.000 I've trained cops.

00:22:57.000 I've trained good cops, and I'm like, oh, that seems like a good guy.

00:23:00.000 And then I've seen him at other cops, and I'm like, that dude is not all there.

00:23:03.000 That dude's not all there.

00:23:04.000 And everybody in the fucking precinct knows, oh, that's Dewey.

00:23:11.000 Don't worry about Dewey.

00:23:12.000 He's a good guy.

00:23:13.000 Yeah, just don't get pulled over by him.

00:23:14.000 Just don't get pulled over by him.

00:23:15.000 Yeah.

00:23:16.000 Yeah.

00:23:18.000 We're in a crisis in this country in many ways.

00:23:21.000 And Jocko was talking about this, that it's a leadership crisis.

00:23:25.000 It's all from the top down.

00:23:27.000 And it's a leadership when it comes to the president, leadership crisis, governors, mayors, sheriffs, and then the cops themselves.

00:23:36.000 It's a bunch of people that really don't have the character to be doing that.

00:23:42.000 Look, it's a...

00:23:44.000 I wouldn't wish it on anybody, man.

00:23:46.000 That's a tough fucking...

00:23:47.000 All those gigs we just...

00:23:48.000 Being a governor.

00:23:49.000 Fucking insanely hard.

00:23:51.000 I couldn't imagine being responsible for the economy of a whole state.

00:23:55.000 Especially in California.

00:23:56.000 That's why our goofy governor keeps calling it a nation state.

00:23:58.000 It might as well be a fucking nation.

00:24:01.000 There's 40 million people in this motherfucker.

00:24:03.000 That's a lot of people, man.

00:24:04.000 That's crazy.

00:24:05.000 I don't want that job.

00:24:07.000 But if you're going to have that job, you better be fucking really good, man.

00:24:11.000 You better be really good.

00:24:12.000 I think that we need four-year terms for everybody of major powers like this so that we don't end up with these career politicians.

00:24:20.000 This just stays the same.

00:24:22.000 And you build your relationships and this shit just stays the same.

00:24:25.000 There's no accountability.

00:24:26.000 There's no fresh blood coming in.

00:24:27.000 Maybe that's a good key for cops to have a four-year term and then you're up for review.

00:24:34.000 Or the police chief.

00:24:35.000 You know how the police...

00:24:36.000 I can only imagine it.

00:24:37.000 That's why I like...

00:24:39.000 Like Lethal Weapon or whatever.

00:24:40.000 Martin and Riggs walk in or whatever.

00:24:42.000 And he's like, oh, you know, the commissioner.

00:24:43.000 Commissioner Gordon's breathing down my neck.

00:24:45.000 You've got to stop choking all these guys out.

00:24:47.000 And they're like, you know, I don't give a fuck.

00:24:48.000 But, you know, the commissioner's down my back.

00:24:50.000 He's not saying, hey, motherfucker, you're fired.

00:24:52.000 I'm going to press charges on your fucking ass.

00:24:54.000 This is not how we do things.

00:24:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:56.000 But then there's always the romantic crazy cop.

00:25:00.000 Like Riggs in Lethal Weapon was the romantic crazy cop.

00:25:04.000 It was kind of cool.

00:25:05.000 He's a little unhinged, but he gets the job done.

00:25:07.000 Yeah, right.

00:25:08.000 You know?

00:25:09.000 But those guys are never abusive in those movies, the unhinged guys.

00:25:14.000 They're heroes.

00:25:15.000 Yeah, they're always heroes and cool with people, but they just, you know, eat cold pizza in the morning in a blender and they fucking smoke cigarettes and then they choke people.

00:25:24.000 So my son, Jackson, was scared of the police before I was ever into any of it.

00:25:30.000 When I noticed it, I was aware of it, I took a step back and looked at myself.

00:25:36.000 He's getting this from me and he wasn't.

00:25:37.000 He was like three or four years old.

00:25:39.000 I remember one day we pulled into a bank and I parked between two cop cars.

00:25:45.000 My older son gets out the car, and I'm like, where's Jax?

00:25:47.000 And he's still in the back, and he's all tense in the backseat.

00:25:50.000 I'm like, what's wrong with you?

00:25:51.000 And he's like, he wouldn't say anything.

00:25:53.000 My older son's like, oh, he's scared of the cops.

00:25:54.000 I'm like, why?

00:25:56.000 Because all he sees is cops come when you're in trouble.

00:25:59.000 Cops take you to jail.

00:26:00.000 Cops do bad things.

00:26:01.000 There's no, like...

00:26:02.000 When I was a kid in Bellbrook, Ohio, where I grew up, we had a cat, and it used to always go up in the tree.

00:26:09.000 And my mom would call the police in the fire department any time the cat went in the fucking tree.

00:26:14.000 That's old school Ohio shit.

00:26:16.000 Right?

00:26:16.000 We'd try.

00:26:17.000 You know, I couldn't climb a tree that high.

00:26:19.000 You know, get down, you're gonna fall.

00:26:20.000 And then she'd call the fucking police in the fire department.

00:26:23.000 And they'd come, and they'd be cool.

00:26:25.000 And that fucking cop would give us cracker jacks.

00:26:28.000 And when a cop drove by, he waved at you.

00:26:30.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:30.000 That's small town life.

00:26:32.000 Well, that was like how shit should be.

00:26:34.000 Now, it's like if I'm at fucking Quiznos and I'm like, oh man, excuse me, officer, what time is it?

00:26:40.000 I'm on my fucking lunch break.

00:26:41.000 They're just fucking dickheads all the time.

00:26:44.000 They pull you over.

00:26:45.000 What are you doing speeding in my town?

00:26:47.000 You know, it's just like this overwhelming...

00:26:50.000 Fuck you all the time.

00:26:51.000 I got cop stories.

00:26:52.000 I got cop stories.

00:26:53.000 I know you do.

00:26:54.000 I got a few cop stories.

00:26:56.000 There's a lot of cop stories to have, good and bad, but you only hear the bad ones.

00:27:00.000 There's a lot of interactions every day that people have with cops that are positive.

00:27:04.000 I'm sure.

00:27:06.000 But it's just exactly like the Chris Rock joke.

00:27:10.000 You really can't have bad apples when it's that job.

00:27:14.000 No.

00:27:14.000 Just like you can't have bad fire department people.

00:27:17.000 You can't have bad pilots.

00:27:19.000 You can't have...

00:27:20.000 It's just a job you gotta do right.

00:27:22.000 And then it's like for how long?

00:27:24.000 That's why lately I've been posting videos from like three years ago, four years ago.

00:27:27.000 Same type of shit.

00:27:28.000 It's still going like this is an old video and nothing's changed.

00:27:31.000 Yeah.

00:27:32.000 Rodney King wasn't that long ago.

00:27:33.000 There was another one that just came out.

00:27:34.000 This guy's handcuffed on his back and they're beating him with tons telling him to put his legs down while they're beating the shit out of him.

00:27:40.000 Yeah, I've seen that one.

00:27:41.000 And then the guy that got pulled over or fell asleep in a Wendy's parking lot.

00:27:46.000 Cop pulls him over.

00:27:47.000 He's like, hey, what are you doing?

00:27:48.000 The guy's like, look, man, I was fighting with my wife.

00:27:50.000 Fucking had...

00:27:51.000 Have you been drinking?

00:27:52.000 Yes, sir, I've been drinking.

00:27:53.000 He hadn't been driving that they could prove yet.

00:27:56.000 So they're like, well, can you take his breathalyzer?

00:27:58.000 He's like, well, you know I've already been drinking.

00:27:59.000 He's like, it's just part of my investigation.

00:28:01.000 It's no big deal.

00:28:02.000 The reality was they needed him to take the breathalyzer because then they could arrest him.

00:28:06.000 Because if they didn't see him actually drive, they couldn't do that.

00:28:09.000 So they trick him into doing that, then they arrest him.

00:28:11.000 When they arrest him, he's got his hands behind his back.

00:28:15.000 Maybe he's tussling or whatever.

00:28:16.000 Nobody wants to get arrested.

00:28:17.000 While they're teasing him in the back multiple times.

00:28:20.000 These idiots give up the taser, so he's running away with the taser, and they shoot him in the back.

00:28:26.000 Yeah, we were talking about that one.

00:28:29.000 Didn't he turn and point the taser at him, or is that what they said?

00:28:32.000 On the video, it looks like he's going to do whatever.

00:28:34.000 I can't keep up with the investigations of what day things are being found.

00:28:38.000 Maybe there was a shot left in it.

00:28:40.000 That's why there was a pop herd.

00:28:41.000 I don't know.

00:28:43.000 So there might have been a shot left in it.

00:28:45.000 People are saying that?

00:28:46.000 Yeah.

00:28:46.000 That's why I don't know now.

00:28:48.000 But either way.

00:28:49.000 But if I tase you in the back four times, it doesn't give you the right to kill me.

00:28:53.000 But if I shoot or aim one in your general direction, it's ice this motherfucker.

00:28:57.000 And it wasn't like that guy was...

00:29:00.000 You had a conversation with him.

00:29:01.000 He just said he would go home.

00:29:03.000 His daughters were at his sister's house.

00:29:06.000 They'd all just leave the car here and go.

00:29:08.000 But they already had the agenda of what they wanted to do.

00:29:10.000 Why shouldn't that guy just go home?

00:29:12.000 Mark Lamont Hill had a really important point.

00:29:14.000 He said, why is that a case even for the police?

00:29:17.000 There should be something else, like some other division that just handles nonviolent people that are just in need of assistance.

00:29:25.000 If you got a guy who's drunk in a parking lot, there should just be some people that if you want to cite him and give him some sort of a fine or suspend his license for 30 days or something like that, something non-violent, but that guy should just get a ride home.

00:29:37.000 And if he says that he drove there, well, hey, man, you can't drive drunk.

00:29:41.000 You're in trouble for that.

00:29:42.000 But to try to tase him and all that other shit, there's no need for that.

00:29:47.000 See, I'm torn on that.

00:29:49.000 Yes, you're absolutely right.

00:29:51.000 Somebody should be able to see that.

00:29:52.000 I just don't think that it's out of the realm of possibilities that the police could be called to that scene and not end up shooting the guy.

00:29:59.000 They should have the same wherewithal that you and I are having in this conversation to be like, oh, dude, what are you doing?

00:30:05.000 Your wife's probably pissed your dumb drunk right now.

00:30:07.000 And that's one of the ones where the Atlanta Police Department is all walking off in solidarity because the guy was charged with felony murder.

00:30:14.000 And so they all quit.

00:30:15.000 Yeah, a lot of them are just not responding to things.

00:30:18.000 They basically don't feel like they're supported, and they want to let people know, like, this is what we do, this is how hard this job is, so this is what it's like when cops don't respond.

00:30:30.000 That is the most idiotic baby little child shit to do.

00:30:34.000 I can't even get behind that at all.

00:30:36.000 I'm taking my ball and I'm going home then.

00:30:38.000 If you don't want me here, then I'm leaving.

00:30:40.000 I don't even know...

00:30:41.000 It's ridiculous.

00:30:42.000 It's not going to change the charges.

00:30:47.000 If they charged him with felony murder, they're not going to uncharge him with felony murder because the cops aren't responding.

00:30:53.000 Once it's...

00:30:54.000 It just shows how much they don't care about their community.

00:30:56.000 They don't care about their oath.

00:30:58.000 They don't care about protecting and serving.

00:31:00.000 They care about staying together.

00:31:02.000 That's what we were saying earlier.

00:31:04.000 That's the oath, right?

00:31:05.000 That's the code of silence.

00:31:08.000 You have to protect those other people because the shit could go down.

00:31:14.000 You need them to have your back.

00:31:17.000 I'm not saying it's right, but I'm saying that is how it works in the police department.

00:31:21.000 That's terrible.

00:31:22.000 Did you ever see the documentary, The 7-5?

00:31:24.000 I didn't.

00:31:25.000 You should see it.

00:31:26.000 It's fucking crazy.

00:31:27.000 It's The 7-5?

00:31:28.000 The 7-5.

00:31:29.000 It is all about this guy, Mike Dowd, who's out now.

00:31:34.000 Who became a corrupt police officer.

00:31:37.000 Just joined the force because he wanted to be a cop.

00:31:39.000 And then right away was introduced to the fact that this whole fucking thing is bad.

00:31:44.000 It's all corrupt.

00:31:45.000 They're all bad cops.

00:31:46.000 They're all doing fucked up shit.

00:31:47.000 I'm pretty sure they pushed a guy out of a window like one of the first days that he got there.

00:31:52.000 Someone got killed.

00:31:53.000 And they would just say, this is how it works.

00:31:56.000 And then cut to many years later, he's robbing drug dealers and selling drugs and organizing hits on people.

00:32:04.000 It's a crazy fucking movie and it's from his words and his former partner's words and it just details how everything went completely sideways.

00:32:13.000 And it just shows you, like, imagine if you were one of those guys and that's your job.

00:32:17.000 You're a fucking cop.

00:32:18.000 And you're in this precinct with all these other corrupt cops.

00:32:22.000 And you're like, well, this is what we do?

00:32:23.000 So this is what we do.

00:32:24.000 We're just corrupt.

00:32:26.000 Fuck.

00:32:27.000 It's like the mob mentality with the protests, right?

00:32:30.000 You get a good protest, or people protesting a real thing, people that are having a peaceful march doing that stuff, and then you compound, they've been locked in their house for two months, everybody's broke, they're losing their businesses, shit's getting fucking weird, they're just going crazy.

00:32:46.000 But they're in the protest.

00:32:47.000 Now you have some asshole come up with a hammer and break a bunch of windows and start creating the drama.

00:32:52.000 It causes a mob mentality, right?

00:32:54.000 It's like, people are smart, but mobs are stupid, right?

00:32:57.000 A person is smart, people are stupid.

00:33:00.000 That same thing happened to the cops, right?

00:33:02.000 You're on a team, one guy starts doing shit like, bro, just shoot him in the face with a beanbag.

00:33:06.000 Nobody will see it.

00:33:07.000 Oh, you fucking got him.

00:33:08.000 Pass me the gun.

00:33:09.000 Boom.

00:33:09.000 And they're all doing the same shit.

00:33:11.000 There's definitely a lot of that.

00:33:12.000 And then they're protecting themselves.

00:33:13.000 Yeah, there's definitely a lot of that.

00:33:16.000 Also, there was some crazy shit where it was pretty much proven that some cops were the ones who were breaking windows in Minneapolis.

00:33:25.000 Oh yeah, there was one in New York where they were sawing the roll-up door open on a jewelry store.

00:33:32.000 A cop was doing it?

00:33:33.000 Yeah, I'll find a video for you.

00:33:35.000 Oh, please find that video.

00:33:36.000 There's cops with a miter saw or whatever, cutting the roll-up door on the jewelry shop.

00:33:44.000 I think I saw that one.

00:33:45.000 It was, if I remember, it might be incorrect.

00:33:48.000 There was people, they got a call and there was people trapped in there and they had to get them out.

00:33:53.000 They might have been robbing it or something like that.

00:33:57.000 They get trapped in there robbing it?

00:33:59.000 Yeah, I may be mistaken on that one, but I think I saw it.

00:34:02.000 Oh, that's interesting.

00:34:03.000 Jamie with the fact check.

00:34:04.000 That seems like a weird way to save people.

00:34:06.000 Saw the fucking security door open.

00:34:08.000 Because they broke it open in a bad way and snuck in.

00:34:11.000 And they had to get with all their equipment and shit.

00:34:12.000 So they used the metal saw thing.

00:34:15.000 Hello 911?

00:34:16.000 Yeah.

00:34:17.000 Well, okay.

00:34:19.000 We were robbing this jewelry store.

00:34:21.000 That seems like the type of thing that you would say when you were caught on camera.

00:34:25.000 Robbing the jewelry store.

00:34:26.000 Well, actually, there was somebody inside.

00:34:28.000 I was trying to get them out.

00:34:29.000 It was just a weird thing.

00:34:30.000 It happens sometimes.

00:34:31.000 That's true, too.

00:34:32.000 Yeah.

00:34:33.000 I mean, how many cops robbed things during all the melee?

00:34:36.000 Had to be a lot, right?

00:34:38.000 Come on.

00:34:38.000 They had to.

00:34:39.000 The one that I saw was a Target in Minneapolis where this cop that actually got recognized and he got identified.

00:34:45.000 And this cop was smashing windows.

00:34:47.000 And these kids were like, hey man, are you a fucking cop?

00:34:49.000 And he's like, fuck off, I'll kick your ass.

00:34:52.000 And he's a big guy, too.

00:34:53.000 Oh, that was a guy in Minneapolis with the thing?

00:34:55.000 Yeah, he had a full face shield on and everything.

00:34:57.000 And they were like, this guy's wearing police-issue shoes, police-issue clothes.

00:35:03.000 So let's look at that.

00:35:05.000 Why would they do that?

00:35:06.000 Why would a cop do that?

00:35:06.000 Because the cop wanted to break shit?

00:35:08.000 Or is there a plan to get fucking drama started in a certain city and then that police station just happens to burn down and they give it up too?

00:35:16.000 Well, I think in a lot of those situations...

00:35:19.000 How many records got destroyed when they burned down that police station?

00:35:21.000 Ooh, that's a good point.

00:35:22.000 Ooh, look at Joe Schilling's thinking on multiple levels.

00:35:25.000 You know what I mean?

00:35:25.000 I think what happens with a lot of this, you know, it's called an agent provocateur, right?

00:35:31.000 And what they've used those people for before is to stop a peaceful protest.

00:35:37.000 And the way they stop a peaceful protest, they turn it violent.

00:35:39.000 And then they have the authorization to go in and break up the protest and arrest people.

00:35:44.000 And that has been done.

00:35:46.000 That absolutely has been done.

00:35:48.000 It was done with the World Trade Organization protests in the early 2000s.

00:35:52.000 They did that in Seattle.

00:35:53.000 That shit has been done.

00:35:54.000 They do.

00:35:55.000 It might be late 90s.

00:35:57.000 But they fucking do that.

00:35:58.000 That is a government tactic.

00:36:01.000 And say you have a good protest and it has a good meaning and a good thing and that's bad for you if you're the government.

00:36:06.000 You're trying to be like, I don't really like this shit.

00:36:07.000 What do we do here?

00:36:09.000 Let's get some fucking assholes to go in there and start some shit.

00:36:11.000 We haven't let these people leave their house in two months.

00:36:14.000 They're going to do some dumb shit, right?

00:36:15.000 So we'll just start bashing up shit.

00:36:17.000 You know what?

00:36:17.000 Let's plant some fucking bricks.

00:36:19.000 Maybe we put some bricks on the street where all these people are going to come.

00:36:22.000 They're going to fuck all this shit up.

00:36:23.000 Yeah, the brick thing was weird.

00:36:24.000 You know, in some circumstances, the bricks actually were there because of construction.

00:36:28.000 That's been proven.

00:36:29.000 There was one that was a synagogue in North Hollywood, and there was these bricks set up right in front of the synagogue.

00:36:34.000 We're like, this is fucked up.

00:36:36.000 Like, what is this about?

00:36:37.000 Turned out even worse.

00:36:38.000 The bricks had actually been there for a long time and they were there to keep people from driving into the synagogue.

00:36:45.000 They were to stop a car from smashing through the front windows and killing people.

00:36:49.000 So they were worried after like the Pittsburgh mass shooting and a couple other mass shootings.

00:36:55.000 They were worried about their synagogue so they set up these bricks to keep some fucking psycho from driving a car through the building.

00:37:05.000 Which is, I mean, almost worse.

00:37:07.000 I'd almost rather them...

00:37:08.000 I mean, we have that everywhere, though, right?

00:37:10.000 We have that in, like, Sunset Boulevard or wherever.

00:37:13.000 There'll be, like, concrete posts.

00:37:14.000 Like, that's a normal thing, I think.

00:37:17.000 I guess, but this is weird.

00:37:18.000 I saw them on their bricks.

00:37:19.000 Because it was, like, set up by these folks that ran the synagogue.

00:37:24.000 Because the city didn't even protect it if they had to do it themselves.

00:37:27.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

00:37:29.000 I mean, I think the city probably approved it.

00:37:31.000 Right.

00:37:32.000 But it's a weird...

00:37:33.000 See if you can find...

00:37:34.000 I saw the picture.

00:37:35.000 They're in, like, cages, right?

00:37:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:36.000 It's weird.

00:37:37.000 It's a good thing you can buy at Home Depot, I guess.

00:37:38.000 Oh, you can?

00:37:39.000 For that reason?

00:37:40.000 In case you run a synagogue that's being targeted by white supremacists.

00:37:44.000 Maybe the city's not got your back.

00:37:46.000 You're not worried about the cops showing up?

00:37:48.000 We're going to put these rock piles in front of your shit.

00:37:51.000 Goddamn, man.

00:37:52.000 It's just this whole COVID and then the George Floyd protests and then the riots and the looting and everything really highlights how fragile our civilization is.

00:38:05.000 Really shows everybody.

00:38:07.000 And how easily we are controlled through the media.

00:38:11.000 Easily we're controlled.

00:38:13.000 I try not to watch it anymore because you're just getting brainwashed.

00:38:17.000 And once you realize you're just being brainwashed, they just control how you feel about everything.

00:38:21.000 They control, you hate this guy, change the other channel.

00:38:24.000 No, that guy's a good guy.

00:38:25.000 This guy's, fuck this guy.

00:38:26.000 It's just all misinformation.

00:38:29.000 The Who and Fauci, one day, don't do masks.

00:38:32.000 You don't need masks.

00:38:33.000 The next day you need masks.

00:38:34.000 Como needs 50,000 people.

00:38:39.000 Ventilators.

00:38:39.000 And it puts them all in the nursing homes and all the nurse people die.

00:38:42.000 But let's not talk about that.

00:38:44.000 Yeah, that's the Cuomo nursing home thing is a giant scandal, man.

00:38:47.000 He let those people go back to the nursing homes.

00:38:48.000 They infected and killed thousands of people because of that.

00:38:51.000 And so his numbers go straight up, you know?

00:38:54.000 And then, like, why are we incentivizing?

00:38:56.000 We're even going to the...

00:38:57.000 I mean, why are we incentivizing hospitals to say that there were COVID deaths?

00:39:01.000 What is the purpose of that?

00:39:03.000 It makes no sense.

00:39:04.000 I think the idea was because this was a new disease and they required more financially, it's more difficult to treat those people, that they allocated more money towards people that had COVID. But when you do that,

00:39:20.000 you do incentivize people to mark deaths as COVID. Yeah, there's people that get shot and they were like, well, he had COVID when he died.

00:39:26.000 But did they test him for COVID? Well, it doesn't matter.

00:39:28.000 I just wrote it on there.

00:39:29.000 And then the numbers come out.

00:39:30.000 Apparently, there have also been a bunch of people that died and weren't COVID tested that they do believe died because of complications for COVID, too.

00:39:37.000 So the idea is that it could even possibly balance it out.

00:39:40.000 They don't know.

00:39:41.000 But there are a lot of people that have...

00:39:44.000 Here's a deceptive one that I've read.

00:39:46.000 It was really fucked up.

00:39:47.000 They were talking about this kid who was...

00:39:49.000 I think he was 17. He died from COVID. And they said he was...

00:39:54.000 They said he was healthy.

00:39:56.000 No other health issues, they said.

00:40:00.000 But then you read the article deeper, it turns out he had diabetes.

00:40:04.000 He had type 1 diabetes and he was 400 pounds.

00:40:08.000 And it's like, wait a minute.

00:40:10.000 That's not no issues.

00:40:11.000 These articles are full of shit.

00:40:13.000 And they write those articles just so that you click on them because they get the fucking ad revenue from clicks.

00:40:20.000 So they're incentivized to trick you into being scared.

00:40:24.000 You're like, oh my god, a 17-year-old died?

00:40:25.000 What happened?

00:40:26.000 My 17-year-old can die.

00:40:28.000 Holy fuck!

00:40:28.000 And then you click on it, and if you don't read, you know, six, seven paragraphs into the article, you don't find out that this was a 400-pound diabetic kid that, you know...

00:40:39.000 Could have died from the flu three months earlier, and it would have been the same shit.

00:40:43.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:40:44.000 You know?

00:40:44.000 So the numbers are fudged.

00:40:46.000 So I don't want to believe your numbers.

00:40:47.000 Don't come to me with more scare tactics about, like, the numbers are spiking.

00:40:51.000 Well, you already said that 50% of the positives are false positives.

00:40:54.000 Well, at least finally they're saying, when they say that the numbers are spiking, I haven't heard that 50% are false positives.

00:41:00.000 I haven't heard that.

00:41:01.000 I had a video that was that chick with Fauci, the other one.

00:41:05.000 She was saying 50%?

00:41:07.000 Yeah, I don't know how old the video was, but she said that our testing, we're coming up, and if you have 1% of whatever and we test it, then about half of the positives are false positives.

00:41:18.000 Jesus.

00:41:19.000 And then don't wear a mask, and you have to wear a mask.

00:41:21.000 And they said the whole reason we have to flatten the curve is because it can live on anything for up to like nine days, and even an asymptomatic person can still transmit it.

00:41:32.000 Then it comes out, they say the exact opposite.

00:41:34.000 Yeah, now they're saying asymptomatic people very, very rarely transmit it.

00:41:38.000 I don't choose to believe that, Joe.

00:41:40.000 I'm going to believe what they told me the first time.

00:41:43.000 There's a lot of people that do say that.

00:41:44.000 Not the new facts that they have now.

00:41:46.000 So we're still going to wear masks all the time.

00:41:48.000 Yeah, people get mad at you if you suggest differently.

00:41:51.000 There's a lot of people that like being scared, too.

00:41:53.000 And they're like, fuck you!

00:41:54.000 Wear your goddamn mask!

00:41:56.000 We need to protect people!

00:41:58.000 Love it.

00:41:59.000 Well, if there's no police, who's going to protect you and you?

00:42:01.000 Who's going to protect your family?

00:42:03.000 Me?

00:42:04.000 Meanwhile, these people weren't freaking out when you've seen these mass protests.

00:42:08.000 And the spikes, guess what, happened right after the protests.

00:42:12.000 And at least they're saying that now.

00:42:14.000 At least they're saying, they're being forced into saying, it's probably connected to the protests.

00:42:20.000 Well, of course.

00:42:21.000 It's just one more way to get people to scare them to stop revolting.

00:42:26.000 Let's get them to chill out.

00:42:28.000 Now the numbers are spiking, guys.

00:42:30.000 Do you think it's that calculated?

00:42:32.000 That that's what they're doing?

00:42:33.000 I think there's a lot of calculated shit going on.

00:42:35.000 There's too many weird things going on.

00:42:37.000 Who's calculating it, though?

00:42:38.000 I think that it's Dr. Evil.

00:42:40.000 I think it is.

00:42:42.000 He's alive.

00:42:42.000 I think that they're in their thing.

00:42:44.000 Next, we're going to launch the sharks with laser beams on their head.

00:42:48.000 What happened to murder hornets?

00:42:49.000 They came and went real quick.

00:42:50.000 I was really worried about them.

00:42:52.000 Aliens, bro.

00:42:53.000 I'm putting it out there.

00:42:53.000 Aliens will come.

00:42:55.000 Aliens are coming before the election.

00:42:58.000 The alien thing is interesting because there's quite a few real legitimate studies, including black ops studies, that are going on right now on aliens.

00:43:09.000 Particularly after the David Fravor Incident, which was an Air Force incident that was off the coast of San Diego.

00:43:15.000 That was all documented in terms of the speed of the aircraft, the fact that they were tracking it, the fact that it blocked their tracking systems.

00:43:24.000 So it was an active object blocking their tracking systems.

00:43:29.000 And it also went from something like right above the surface of the water to 60,000 feet in a matter of a second.

00:43:38.000 Whatever the fuck that thing is, it violates all laws of propulsion.

00:43:42.000 And all those Air Force guys were saying, yeah, we've been following these things.

00:43:47.000 They've been down here for the last few weeks.

00:43:50.000 Every now and then we'll see one.

00:43:51.000 And they'll hover above the water and dunk down into the water.

00:43:55.000 They don't know what the fuck they were.

00:43:57.000 And, you know, this David Fravor guy who's like a rock-solid, buttoned-down military man.

00:44:03.000 He is not a bullshit artist.

00:44:05.000 He's not a guy who needs a lot of attention.

00:44:07.000 He came on the podcast and relayed his experiences with this thing.

00:44:12.000 There's not just one of them and they behave very similarly.

00:44:15.000 They've had them on the East Coast.

00:44:17.000 I'm doing a terrible job of giving all the facts about how they operate and how they move, but they defy all the known laws of propulsion.

00:44:26.000 They have no idea what they are.

00:44:27.000 They have no idea where they're coming from.

00:44:29.000 They don't know what they're doing.

00:44:30.000 But these things behave in some really almost supernatural way in terms of like what we know about physics.

00:44:38.000 And this is like unclassified now or this is recent?

00:44:41.000 Well, the government's come out and said, I mean, they've openly said there's a real issue.

00:44:45.000 Trump says he's heard very interesting things about Roswell, the site of an alleged UFO event.

00:44:50.000 The president was asked by his...

00:44:52.000 Yeah, that was nonsense though.

00:44:53.000 Did you see that interview?

00:44:54.000 First of all, the whole interview was weird.

00:44:57.000 Like Donald Trump Jr. is interviewing Donald Trump and he's not even doing it like he's his dad.

00:45:03.000 If I was sitting there with my dad, I'd be like, alright, dude, tell me what's up.

00:45:07.000 What's going on with the aliens, pops?

00:45:08.000 What do you got back there, dude?

00:45:13.000 Also, I would ask that question four fucking years ago, day one.

00:45:17.000 I'd be like, come on, dude.

00:45:18.000 Aliens.

00:45:19.000 As soon as you walked me in, let's talk aliens.

00:45:21.000 I would run for president just to find out.

00:45:24.000 I think you should run for president, Joe.

00:45:26.000 You should absolutely run for president.

00:45:28.000 Listen.

00:45:29.000 I get canceled for all Joey Diaz conversations.

00:45:31.000 You could do like the presidential addresses and just do a stand-up the whole time, every time.

00:45:38.000 It would have to be that.

00:45:39.000 It would have to be some seriousness and some...

00:45:42.000 Life is so preposterous.

00:45:46.000 And it's more preposterous now than it's ever been before.

00:45:49.000 And meanwhile, there's no stand-up.

00:45:52.000 The only person doing stand-up right now has been...

00:45:54.000 There's a few guys that just started doing shows.

00:45:56.000 I'm actually in Houston this weekend for the first time in three months.

00:46:00.000 I haven't done any stand-up.

00:46:02.000 Chappelle's doing regular shows in Ohio.

00:46:04.000 He's got an outside wedding pavilion, and he's got it set up where everybody's socially distanced.

00:46:14.000 They all wear masks in the crowd.

00:46:15.000 They have Chappelle masks.

00:46:16.000 So they'll have the C on their mask.

00:46:19.000 They're in the crowd.

00:46:21.000 And my buddy Donnell did it, and he said he loves it.

00:46:24.000 And Dave's like, listen, man, I've got to do something.

00:46:27.000 I've got to figure this out.

00:46:28.000 It's all been approved by the governor.

00:46:30.000 Everybody's, you know, distanced six feet apart.

00:46:33.000 They all maintain social distancing during the show.

00:46:36.000 They wear masks during the show.

00:46:38.000 How long are we going to keep doing this?

00:46:41.000 Texas governor urges people to stay home as states report surges of new COVID-19 cases.

00:46:47.000 Yeah, you want to see the photo of the Austin protest?

00:46:50.000 Have you seen it?

00:46:51.000 It's crazy.

00:46:53.000 You know, Austin, which is the most progressive city in Texas, had this insane protest, which, listen, I think is great.

00:46:59.000 I do.

00:47:00.000 I think it's great that people want to show solidarity, that people want to get out there and let everybody know that they're They're not down with police brutality and that they're down with racial equality and that you got all these thousands and thousands of people together to have the same positive message.

00:47:19.000 I love it.

00:47:20.000 However, that COVID doesn't give a fuck about racial equality or social justice.

00:47:28.000 If you're not healthy, it's gonna get you.

00:47:31.000 I don't know, man.

00:47:33.000 And the cases spike.

00:47:34.000 But the other thing about Texas is a giant percentage of it, I think somewhere in the neighborhood of 50%, is actually in prisons.

00:47:40.000 So when they're talking about statewide issues.

00:47:43.000 Do you have an image?

00:47:44.000 Because I can get an image for you.

00:47:46.000 I got a good one for you.

00:47:47.000 Oh, that's a good one.

00:47:48.000 Yeah, that'll cause a problem.

00:47:53.000 Those fucking people!

00:47:54.000 But one thing they have found out, if you guys are gonna protest, protest during the day.

00:47:59.000 And this is why.

00:48:00.000 There's been a new study that came out that said that COVID-19 dies almost instantly in contact with sunlight.

00:48:07.000 Didn't Trump say that like two months ago and everyone said he was crazy?

00:48:11.000 No, he was saying like put light in the body.

00:48:13.000 No, he said 80 degrees.

00:48:14.000 He said when the summer comes, the heat kills it.

00:48:17.000 Yes, but it's not the heat.

00:48:19.000 It's actually light.

00:48:20.000 So the nighttime is just as dangerous in the summer as it is during the day.

00:48:26.000 It's not heat.

00:48:26.000 It's not a temperature issue.

00:48:28.000 I'm sure some temperature kills it.

00:48:29.000 Joe, this thing is not real, bro.

00:48:31.000 No!

00:48:31.000 This is not real, bro.

00:48:33.000 It's not real.

00:48:34.000 Should we select a joint?

00:48:35.000 It is a fucking flu.

00:48:36.000 Yeah, please.

00:48:37.000 Let's do it.

00:48:38.000 Let's take one of those.

00:48:39.000 It's not real.

00:48:40.000 You don't think it's real?

00:48:41.000 I think that the flu is real.

00:48:42.000 I think that people get sick from the flu every year and die.

00:48:45.000 I think that it's a bad thing.

00:48:47.000 I don't think that all of this nonsense is going on and they keep perpetuating it and keep perpetuating it.

00:48:56.000 Come on.

00:48:57.000 I'm just not buying it anymore.

00:48:59.000 You change your views.

00:49:01.000 You change your opinions.

00:49:03.000 It's like if you were the writer of a TV show, say Friends.

00:49:07.000 Your job would be to write a 30 minute episode that was funny and intriguing and dramatic and fucking scary or whatever the fuck.

00:49:17.000 The media just writes an episode and then the next day they write a new episode and write a new episode and change their shit.

00:49:24.000 I understand what you're saying.

00:49:25.000 Such bullshit.

00:49:26.000 I understand what you're saying.

00:49:27.000 I'm going to give you a different perspective.

00:49:29.000 Okay.

00:49:29.000 This is the different perspective.

00:49:30.000 The different perspective is legit biologists have analyzed the actual virus itself, and they find all sorts of problems with this virus.

00:49:39.000 I had Brett Weinstein on the podcast the other day.

00:49:40.000 He's a professor, a legit biologist, and he was discussing...

00:49:45.000 All of the indicators in the virus that seem to point to the fact that this has probably been leaked from a lab.

00:49:51.000 And he explained it in terms of the way viruses evolve.

00:49:55.000 I'm going to do a terrible job of paraphrasing it because I'm a moron and he's brilliant.

00:49:58.000 But in the long run, what he's basically saying is, this is a very legit virus.

00:50:04.000 It's very complicated because of the fact that it's been fucked with.

00:50:08.000 Because this is not a virus like...

00:50:11.000 You know, like a regular cold or like anything else that we've encountered before.

00:50:16.000 This is something that's really complicated and may have evolved because it came from a lab.

00:50:21.000 His perspective is it may have evolved to transmit better indoors.

00:50:26.000 And it's very vulnerable to UV light, which also might be part of it being from a lab and not something that existed in the wild that actually just jumped from a bat to a pangolin to a person or what have you.

00:50:41.000 So legit scientists and biologists who are not a part of the narrative, they're not working for any government agency, they're not a part of the news media that's trying to transmit propaganda, They are concerned with it, and they're concerned with it for very specific scientific reasons.

00:50:57.000 Now, me as a person who doesn't know what the fuck any of that stuff I just said means, really, I just repeat it.

00:51:03.000 It sounds like I'm smart, but the smart people actually are worried about it for very specific reasons that it could explain to you.

00:51:11.000 Now it's not vulnerable.

00:51:13.000 For a lot of people, they're not going to be vulnerable.

00:51:16.000 Like pro athletes.

00:51:16.000 We were talking about those NBA players that get it.

00:51:19.000 Listen, those are top of the food chain stud athletes.

00:51:23.000 They shake it off.

00:51:24.000 They're not experiencing any symptoms, you know, over and over and over again.

00:51:27.000 There's a lot of people that get it.

00:51:29.000 Idris Elba shook it off.

00:51:30.000 There's a lot of people that get it.

00:51:31.000 Shake it off.

00:51:32.000 They barely get it.

00:51:33.000 They barely even know they have it.

00:51:34.000 But they're really robust, healthy people.

00:51:38.000 The concern is people that aren't.

00:51:41.000 Old people.

00:51:42.000 People that are vulnerable.

00:51:42.000 When they get it, man, they get it bad.

00:51:44.000 And I was reading an article today about a woman who's been sick with COVID for 100 days now.

00:51:49.000 And she still has days.

00:51:50.000 So she has like these horrible flu-like symptoms.

00:51:52.000 And she gets real wheezy.

00:51:53.000 But I think she has multiple sclerosis.

00:51:56.000 And she's got some other underlying health conditions.

00:51:59.000 So those people have to really be worried about this.

00:52:02.000 Because it's not predictable.

00:52:03.000 And they don't know how to treat it.

00:52:04.000 Totally, especially in the beginning Turned out when they put people on ventilators my buddy Michael Yo got it and he got it early on and his doctor told him if I put you on a ventilator You're probably gonna die because your body's gonna stop breathing for itself.

00:52:18.000 It's gonna let the ventilator do all the work the ventilator like 90% of people put on ventilators 80 80% for anything ever die Is that true?

00:52:31.000 I don't know.

00:52:31.000 That's what I heard.

00:52:32.000 Sounds good.

00:52:32.000 Sounds terrifying.

00:52:34.000 So when Como's like, we need 40,000 ventilators, because who are you saving when 80% of those people are going to die?

00:52:40.000 The thing is, though, I think the ventilator, one way you could look at it, the ventilator is such a last-ditch effort that by the time you get to the...

00:52:48.000 What is that?

00:52:49.000 Budweiser.

00:52:49.000 Oh, Budweiser.

00:52:50.000 Ice cold, delicious.

00:52:51.000 Bud-heavy for you, my friend?

00:52:52.000 What a good man.

00:52:52.000 He brings his own beer.

00:52:54.000 You fucking stud.

00:52:55.000 I come with all kinds of gifts.

00:52:57.000 Oh, I brought you some Ignite stuff, too.

00:52:59.000 Oh, nice.

00:53:00.000 Shout out to Dan Bilzerian.

00:53:04.000 Tell me he's writing a book.

00:53:06.000 I think he did write his book.

00:53:08.000 Look at that.

00:53:08.000 There you go.

00:53:09.000 This is dog stuff, right?

00:53:10.000 Yeah, that one's for Marshall.

00:53:12.000 Oh, yay!

00:53:12.000 He'll love it.

00:53:13.000 My dog's been using it, too.

00:53:14.000 It's really good stuff.

00:53:16.000 Okay, cool.

00:53:17.000 You know, Dan, everything's the best.

00:53:18.000 Yeah, no, I'm sure.

00:53:21.000 It's funny how he's jumped balls deep into weed and CBD. Oh, right.

00:53:26.000 Look at that.

00:53:27.000 Dog CBD. It even says it on there.

00:53:29.000 I fucked up with CBDMD and I took some of their dog CBD. It was delicious peanut butter flavor.

00:53:34.000 I think it's fine, though.

00:53:36.000 I'm sure.

00:53:36.000 Why not?

00:53:37.000 It's just CBD. But they make it flavored for dogs.

00:53:41.000 What's that?

00:53:42.000 More shit?

00:53:43.000 Look at this.

00:53:45.000 Damn, Gulzerian, you generous fellow.

00:53:48.000 Alright, okay, cool.

00:53:49.000 CBD and t-shirts and shit.

00:53:52.000 What is the bull for?

00:53:53.000 What is all that?

00:53:54.000 What is the ram's head?

00:53:55.000 I think it's a goat head.

00:53:56.000 It seems satanic.

00:53:57.000 I asked him once about it and I can't remember what the answer was, but I think it's always been like his thing.

00:54:02.000 That's like Satan, right?

00:54:05.000 What is the one, the devil that has the goat head?

00:54:08.000 Is it Beelzebub?

00:54:10.000 Sounds good.

00:54:11.000 It sounds like that would be correct.

00:54:14.000 Alright.

00:54:15.000 Thank you, Dan.

00:54:16.000 Thank you, Satan.

00:54:18.000 No?

00:54:18.000 Who is it?

00:54:19.000 Which one?

00:54:20.000 I don't know.

00:54:21.000 You gotta be careful.

00:54:24.000 You know?

00:54:24.000 You get people so high that they get super paranoid and they look down at that goat head.

00:54:29.000 Baphomet.

00:54:29.000 Oh, Baphomet.

00:54:30.000 That's right.

00:54:30.000 I've seen him on things before.

00:54:32.000 That's like something Duncan would know a lot about.

00:54:34.000 That's right.

00:54:34.000 I was trying to think of Duncan and think of words he said a lot.

00:54:36.000 Yeah!

00:54:36.000 Come on, man.

00:54:37.000 Hey, Dan, why is that guy on the cover of your fucking box?

00:54:42.000 Why is that goat dude with eagle wings?

00:54:45.000 That guy's creepy as fuck with his pentagram on his head.

00:54:50.000 This is interesting.

00:54:51.000 Houston ICU capacity could soon be exceeded as COVID-19 hospitalizations worsen.

00:54:57.000 And then all the videos come out and it's like people going to the hospitals and there's no lines that they're trying to make it out to be.

00:55:05.000 There's a lot of fuckery going on with this misinformation.

00:55:09.000 There's a little bit of that going on.

00:55:11.000 I have a hard time just believing the newest of the new.

00:55:14.000 But there's also real shit going on.

00:55:15.000 Okay, Dr. Peter Hotez.

00:55:17.000 He's been on the podcast before.

00:55:19.000 National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine.

00:55:24.000 He's a brilliant guy.

00:55:25.000 It says the city of Houston, which is known for its medical schools, has a large concentration of beds and research hospitals and whatnot, and they're very close to running out of all of their ICU beds.

00:55:36.000 He said he called on the state to reimpose more aggressive social distancing restrictions.

00:55:40.000 See, he's not a foolish person.

00:55:43.000 If he's saying this, he's a legit scientist and a doctor and he knows a tremendous amount about diseases.

00:55:49.000 I met him many, many years ago.

00:55:50.000 He kind of freaked me out because we were doing this.

00:55:53.000 I interviewed him for this sci-fi thing and he was telling me that people that live in tropical climates all have parasites.

00:55:59.000 I'm like, all of them?

00:56:00.000 He goes, all of them.

00:56:01.000 Everybody's got something he's like that's you're you're living in this like soup of moisture and heat And it's just the perfect breeding ground for all these diseases and a lot of these third-world countries poor folks that live in these tropical climates He's like they all have it and when he was saying that I was like well that course it makes sense.

00:56:18.000 There's no Antibiotics no med it's probably just a normal part of life to have all these different parasites.

00:56:24.000 I Like, people used to just drink...

00:56:27.000 And their immune system gets better off of it, or they just live with it?

00:56:30.000 I don't know, man.

00:56:30.000 Maybe they just live with it.

00:56:31.000 It might be both.

00:56:32.000 You know, some people's immune systems might be stronger.

00:56:35.000 But, like, creek water.

00:56:36.000 Like, that's what people drank, man.

00:56:39.000 They just drank creek water, and you would get beaver fever.

00:56:42.000 You'd get giardia.

00:56:43.000 It was a normal thing.

00:56:47.000 We talk about Mexico, right?

00:56:48.000 People always say, don't drink the water.

00:56:50.000 Don't drink the water.

00:56:51.000 Well, they're fucking drinking the water.

00:56:52.000 They drink the water all the time, right.

00:56:53.000 But their system is just more tolerant of it.

00:56:57.000 Or they're just used to shit in their pants all the time.

00:56:59.000 Maybe a little bit of that.

00:57:00.000 Maybe a little bit of that.

00:57:02.000 But I imagine beaver fever's got a...

00:57:04.000 Jardia's probably killing people.

00:57:06.000 I mean, you're drinking horrible bacteria.

00:57:09.000 I know people have died from E. coli.

00:57:10.000 I wonder if they died from Jardia.

00:57:12.000 Does Jardia kill you?

00:57:14.000 Because that's a normal thing you get if you drink out of a creek.

00:57:18.000 So your guy that you were talking about, the really smart guy...

00:57:21.000 Peter Hotez?

00:57:21.000 Peter Hotez.

00:57:22.000 He says it was made in a lab then.

00:57:24.000 Okay, no, that's Brett Weinstein.

00:57:25.000 Brett Weinstein.

00:57:25.000 Brett Weinstein, yeah, he's the biologist.

00:57:27.000 He said...

00:57:28.000 He does not talk like that.

00:57:30.000 He's not saying, like, it was made in a lab.

00:57:32.000 He's like, all indications would point to.

00:57:34.000 He's one of those guys.

00:57:35.000 But he's never like, so therefore it does.

00:57:38.000 So that would support the Wuhan lab that's not far from the Wuhan...

00:57:43.000 Rarely does Jardia infection cause death, but each year 4,600 persons with Jardiasis are estimated to be hospitalized in the United States.

00:57:56.000 Hospitalization usually primarily children under 5 and dehydration are the most frequent co-diagnosis.

00:58:05.000 Yeah, probably dehydrated and then you drank that shitty water.

00:58:08.000 Like the fact that dehydration is like one of the coinciding factors.

00:58:13.000 Or that dirty water gets you so sick that you piss and shit all of the water out of you.

00:58:18.000 It's like babies get dehydrated when they're sick, right?

00:58:21.000 Yeah, that's probably a better perspective.

00:58:22.000 That's what Pedialyte's for, right?

00:58:24.000 Yeah.

00:58:25.000 Do you take any electrolytes?

00:58:27.000 Like when you're training?

00:58:29.000 Not really.

00:58:30.000 Dude, I just started over the last year.

00:58:32.000 I started taking one of my sponsors.

00:58:34.000 They sent me this liquid IV stuff.

00:58:37.000 Electrolytes make a big fucking difference.

00:58:38.000 Really?

00:58:39.000 Yeah.

00:58:39.000 It makes a big difference in how quickly you hydrate.

00:58:41.000 It makes a big difference in stopping cramps.

00:58:44.000 It stops all the cramps.

00:58:45.000 I heard of being dehydrated.

00:58:47.000 Any level of dehydration reduces athletic output by like 20%.

00:58:52.000 Which is one of the things I've been fucking sounding the alarm on forever.

00:58:55.000 We've got to stop weight cutting.

00:58:57.000 Right.

00:58:58.000 Guys, I want people to fight healthy.

00:59:01.000 And I want them to fight for as long as they can.

00:59:03.000 Look, DC had kidney failure before.

00:59:06.000 And that's why he didn't get into the Olympics at one point.

00:59:09.000 Kidney failure.

00:59:10.000 Daniel Cormier.

00:59:11.000 Mm-hmm.

00:59:12.000 You know, he's had real problems from cutting weight, man.

00:59:15.000 It's fucking terrible for you.

00:59:17.000 That's why he fights so good at heavyweight.

00:59:19.000 Yeah.

00:59:19.000 You know, when he's at heavyweight, he doesn't have to deal with any of that bullshit.

00:59:23.000 He can just eat and train and just recover.

00:59:25.000 When you're dehydrating yourself to that extent, to the extent that some guy, like Paulo Costa, that motherfucker.

00:59:31.000 Chael Sonnen had a video he had on YouTube.

00:59:33.000 I urge you to go to Chael Sonnen's YouTube and listen to him talk about it.

00:59:37.000 He was watching Paulo Costa.

00:59:38.000 He said, Paulo Costa is 230 plus pounds.

00:59:41.000 He cuts down to 185 for a fight.

00:59:44.000 That's insane.

00:59:45.000 That's insane.

00:59:46.000 How low does he get before it's just water?

00:59:48.000 I don't know, man.

00:59:49.000 You gotta see the video of him now.

00:59:50.000 He looks like a fucking heavyweight.

00:59:52.000 You know, because he recovered from surgery, right?

00:59:54.000 So he had, I believe he severed one of his biceps after his fight with Yoel.

01:00:00.000 So he had to get it reattached.

01:00:01.000 And this is a long recovery process.

01:00:04.000 So I guess he just got big.

01:00:07.000 He's huge, man.

01:00:08.000 Well, it's like Anthony Johnson.

01:00:10.000 He was like fighting at, what, 70?

01:00:12.000 170. I remember when he was on the local circuit out here and he was fighting at 70. And he'd keep going up, keep going up, keep going up.

01:00:18.000 Thing is, if he can make 70 for the first, you know, few minutes until his body starts giving out, holy shit!

01:00:25.000 That dude's terrifying.

01:00:27.000 Terrifying!

01:00:27.000 What weight class he's in.

01:00:29.000 Terrifying as a light heavyweight.

01:00:31.000 Bro, icing people like Glover Teixeira with one punch as a light heavyweight.

01:00:36.000 And he just throws everything with zero fucks.

01:00:38.000 Zero fucks.

01:00:39.000 I love it.

01:00:40.000 He's like, you're going to take me down?

01:00:41.000 I'm fucking giving it.

01:00:43.000 Also, he's got an iron chin.

01:00:44.000 That's a big factor.

01:00:45.000 Anthony can take it.

01:00:47.000 You can't just put him out.

01:00:49.000 He hits so goddamn hard, man.

01:00:51.000 So hard.

01:00:53.000 The fucking Minotaro punch, when he clipped him with that uppercut and flatlined him, he did the same thing to Glover.

01:00:59.000 He could take people out with one shot like nobody else in the sport.

01:01:05.000 And Glover was on like a 20 fight or something crazy.

01:01:08.000 Something crazy.

01:01:08.000 Wind chic, right?

01:01:09.000 Well, he lost to Jon Jones before that.

01:01:11.000 Jon Jones did some really clever shit in that fight, and he did something that I'm kind of amazed that people don't do more often.

01:01:18.000 John had an overhook on Glover's arm, and they were in the clinch, and John wrenched his fucking arm up in a way that I've never seen anybody do before.

01:01:27.000 Like mirror lock style?

01:01:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:29.000 Like almost, you know, like a shoulder lock.

01:01:31.000 He got him in some kind of a shoulder lock.

01:01:33.000 And he did it from there, right?

01:01:35.000 So John has his arm, like he's got, Glover's got an arm, he like gave him the underhook.

01:01:40.000 And John's got his arm, and John, see here, it's right there.

01:01:44.000 And John fucking yanked his fucking shoulder.

01:01:48.000 And afterwards, Glover was telling me, he's like, oh, my shoulder's fucked.

01:01:51.000 He kept fighting the fight with it, but made a big impact on his ability to throw the right hand and grapple.

01:01:57.000 It was pretty...

01:01:58.000 They're a savage shoulder crank.

01:01:59.000 It was pretty savage, man.

01:02:01.000 It was pretty savage.

01:02:02.000 And what's interesting is, again, it's not...

01:02:04.000 Let's see it.

01:02:05.000 Let's watch it.

01:02:06.000 Very rare, man.

01:02:07.000 Look at that.

01:02:08.000 Oh.

01:02:09.000 And did a couple times.

01:02:10.000 Dude.

01:02:11.000 Dude.

01:02:12.000 I mean, he fucked his shoulder there.

01:02:15.000 And we all have fucked up shoulders anyway.

01:02:16.000 Everybody does.

01:02:17.000 It's just so bad.

01:02:18.000 Such a weird joint.

01:02:19.000 Yeah.

01:02:20.000 And for a guy like John, who first of all has massive leverage, this is a terrible one.

01:02:25.000 Cosmo.

01:02:25.000 Oh, Cosmo's a G. He's a bad motherfucker.

01:02:28.000 Shout out to Cosmo.

01:02:29.000 Such a bad motherfucker.

01:02:29.000 That's a dude who fought Sage Northcutt in 1FC. Nobody saw that coming?

01:02:34.000 I saw that lineup, but I was like, bro, this is totally what's going to happen.

01:02:37.000 They want that to happen.

01:02:39.000 For sure.

01:02:39.000 There's something about One FC, and I'm not saying the UFC wouldn't do the exact same thing, because they absolutely would, but they would love to have those guys and have them go over there and get their ass kicked.

01:02:49.000 The only one who's like proved everybody wrong, not even proved everybody wrong, but proven his greatness in that regard is DJ, because DJ's still dominating.

01:02:57.000 Mighty Mouse is still dominating.

01:02:58.000 Even over there, they're throwing their best killers at him, and he's still dominating.

01:03:02.000 But he's just so technical.

01:03:04.000 He's so good.

01:03:05.000 He's so good.

01:03:07.000 If you want to teach somebody, like, you want to show somebody what, like, the best is...

01:03:11.000 Mighty Mouse.

01:03:12.000 Mighty Mouse.

01:03:12.000 No argument.

01:03:14.000 I say the GOAT is Jon Jones.

01:03:16.000 And I say the GOAT is Jon Jones because Jon Jones has beat everybody in his fucking division.

01:03:21.000 He's never lost to anybody.

01:03:23.000 Anybody.

01:03:23.000 You can't look at Jon Jones and the guys he's beat...

01:03:26.000 Look at Paulo Costa!

01:03:27.000 He's fucking huge!

01:03:28.000 He's fucking insane.

01:03:28.000 He's huge!

01:03:30.000 That is fucking insane.

01:03:31.000 Look how big he is!

01:03:32.000 He's so big!

01:03:35.000 So Chael Sonnen's video is excellent.

01:03:37.000 He says he's 230 plus pounds.

01:03:40.000 And look, not fat.

01:03:43.000 Gigantic.

01:03:44.000 So I think John's the GOAT. John's beat everybody.

01:03:47.000 He turned back every single challenge.

01:03:49.000 He's never lost once.

01:03:50.000 The only fight that he has an L was the disqualification of a fight he was totally dominant in.

01:03:55.000 If anything, that fight should be changed to a no contest.

01:03:58.000 And also, that rule should be amended.

01:04:00.000 It's a silly rule.

01:04:01.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:04:02.000 Super stupid rule.

01:04:03.000 It's one of the dumbest rules that we still keep.

01:04:05.000 That's, again, another thing where I say, like, we all know it's stupid, but they don't change it.

01:04:09.000 You know what's crazy, dude?

01:04:10.000 It's not even the best elbow.

01:04:11.000 Like, you know it's not the best elbow.

01:04:13.000 No.

01:04:13.000 That's not the best elbow.

01:04:15.000 Like, you're an elbow expert.

01:04:16.000 You can speak to this.

01:04:17.000 Yeah.

01:04:18.000 You're stitching up Joe Schilling.

01:04:19.000 It's not great.

01:04:20.000 It's not a great elbow.

01:04:21.000 It's okay.

01:04:22.000 It's a fun elbow for Muay Thai.

01:04:23.000 Like, the downward elbow is, like, it's G-shit for sure.

01:04:26.000 It's G-shit.

01:04:27.000 I love doing that.

01:04:28.000 For sure doing that.

01:04:28.000 If you could step on a dude's thigh and ombak him right in the fucking dump...

01:04:32.000 Oh, yeah.

01:04:33.000 I mean, I've never been.

01:04:34.000 I'm not going to unblock anybody, but like a jump elbow.

01:04:37.000 Anytime I fought in Thailand, I always had at least one or two of those in the fight.

01:04:40.000 For sure, I'm going to throw that.

01:04:41.000 But that's not the most dangerous.

01:04:45.000 You've told the story a hundred times, but they thought because he could break blocks of ice that it's too dangerous.

01:04:51.000 That's literally what they said.

01:04:53.000 But meanwhile, that position doesn't even exist on the ground anyway.

01:04:57.000 If they understood leverage of the human body, the position of standing...

01:05:02.000 Oh, I just killed the light.

01:05:04.000 Oh, sorry.

01:05:05.000 We have this floating magnetic light that I just killed.

01:05:10.000 Did I pull the thing out of the...

01:05:12.000 The plug's over there.

01:05:14.000 What was I just saying?

01:05:15.000 Jon Jones is the goat.

01:05:17.000 Mighty Mouse is...

01:05:18.000 The elbows not the best.

01:05:20.000 So that's the only reason why Jon Jones ever lost is because he did the downward elbow.

01:05:25.000 Right.

01:05:25.000 And most people thought that stoppage was ridiculous.

01:05:27.000 It's like, come on, man.

01:05:28.000 He just won the fight.

01:05:29.000 He won the fight.

01:05:30.000 You can't take it away from him for that.

01:05:31.000 And that had almost no impact on the fight.

01:05:35.000 He was going to fuck him up.

01:05:36.000 He was fucking him up before that.

01:05:37.000 He was going to fuck him up there.

01:05:40.000 They should take away that rule, first of all.

01:05:42.000 But two, you can't take that and turn it into a loss.

01:05:45.000 That's not a loss.

01:05:46.000 And it's always a gray area anyway when you do the elbow.

01:05:49.000 Every time I ask them about it, they're always like, you know, as long as there's an arc, you show me an arc.

01:05:54.000 If you watch that video, you could definitely show that there was some sort of arc on some angle and it's not that big a deal.

01:05:59.000 And Matt Hamill was getting his ass kicked anyway.

01:06:01.000 He was getting his ass kicked.

01:06:02.000 It was not changing the impact.

01:06:03.000 He was getting smashed by the goat.

01:06:06.000 That's really what it was.

01:06:07.000 For sure.

01:06:07.000 So there's him, John Jones, this is the top of the food chain.

01:06:11.000 I think just by results, undeniable.

01:06:14.000 But then technical, it's Mighty Mouse.

01:06:16.000 Mighty Mouse is the most technically gifted guy I've ever seen inside the Octagon.

01:06:21.000 I don't mean gifted in any negative way, like he just didn't have to work for it.

01:06:25.000 I mean, talented.

01:06:26.000 I mean, just, but he puts it together.

01:06:29.000 Gifted in that, he had Matt Hume for an instructor, for sure.

01:06:32.000 That's a big factor, because that guy is a real, bonafide martial arts wizard.

01:06:36.000 And has been since I can remember.

01:06:38.000 He always was the guy that people were talking about.

01:06:41.000 He knows so much.

01:06:42.000 Rich Franklin, he was champ, was working with him too.

01:06:44.000 And he actually fought Pat Miletic way back in the day, dude.

01:06:49.000 Those guys were like legit pioneers, but Matt Hume's always been super, super technical.

01:06:54.000 So you got DJ, who's like Matt Hume, who's like one of the great minds of the sport, and then you got this star pupil, is like the most spectacular, talented, and technical fighter.

01:07:07.000 In terms of like just overall technique, I think Mighty Mouse is the most spectacular example of mixed martial arts I've ever seen.

01:07:13.000 And as a champion and as a marketable person, never gets in trouble.

01:07:17.000 And a super nice guy.

01:07:19.000 Super nice guy.

01:07:20.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:20.000 If Jon Jones had an asterisk, that would be his asterisk, right?

01:07:25.000 Jon Jones' asterisk is wild motherfucker.

01:07:28.000 That's what he is.

01:07:29.000 Also a wild motherfucker, so be careful.

01:07:31.000 He's wild.

01:07:32.000 He's going to make mistakes.

01:07:33.000 He's going to do wild, crazy shit.

01:07:34.000 He's also going to open up on Mauricio Shogun Hua in the youngest ever time a person wins a UFC title.

01:07:42.000 Opens up that fight with a flying knee.

01:07:44.000 On Mauricio Shogun Hua.

01:07:46.000 Who the fuck does that?

01:07:48.000 Like, you gotta be a wild motherfucker.

01:07:49.000 For sure.

01:07:50.000 You got your tile fight, you're 22 years old, you're in there with a fucking legend from Pride, and you open with a flying knee and stagger him and wind up stopping him.

01:07:59.000 Whatever, right?

01:08:00.000 That's the GOAT. That's the GOAT. But then he got Anderson Silva in his prime like, ooh, Anderson Silva in his prime was terrifying.

01:08:08.000 When he front-kicked Vitor in the face, when Anderson Silva was in his prime, when he smashed Chael Sonnen in the rematch, even when he caught Chael Sonnen in a triangle off his back in a fight where he went into that fight with fucked-up ribs.

01:08:20.000 He probably shouldn't even have taken that fight and Chael just kept taking him down.

01:08:23.000 He couldn't stop the takedown and eventually got him in a triangle off his back.

01:08:27.000 And it's like, oh shit, he's got him!

01:08:29.000 I remember the Rich Franklin fight.

01:08:31.000 Oh my god.

01:08:31.000 We beat Rich Franklin, it was like, what is this clinch that he's doing?

01:08:36.000 Was that crazy for you to watch?

01:08:38.000 Because you were already fighting Muay Thai.

01:08:40.000 Yeah.

01:08:41.000 And it was like, Rich didn't know how to defend the clinch.

01:08:44.000 But it was still, at that level on the thing, it was fucking phenomenal.

01:08:48.000 It was phenomenal.

01:08:49.000 This spectrum of it.

01:08:51.000 Well, he was one of the most technical strikers ever at that point.

01:08:55.000 Like, we had never seen a guy who moved that good.

01:08:57.000 And I had seen him fight a bunch of times in Pride, but then when he went into greatness was like when he was like 30-ish, because that's when he started fighting in Cage Warriors.

01:09:08.000 With Tony Fricklin, the backward elbow.

01:09:11.000 Backward elbow on Tony Fricklin, and he fought...

01:09:14.000 God damn it.

01:09:17.000 He fought quite...

01:09:18.000 Oh, Lee Murray.

01:09:19.000 That was a big one.

01:09:20.000 That was when Lee Murray was a straight-up killer.

01:09:22.000 We talk about Lee Murray every time I'm on the show.

01:09:25.000 You have to.

01:09:25.000 Great story every time.

01:09:26.000 You have to talk about it.

01:09:27.000 Go ahead, finish it.

01:09:28.000 Tell the story.

01:09:28.000 He's a goddamn Guy Ritchie movie.

01:09:30.000 Yeah.

01:09:30.000 Lee Murray's a Guy Ritchie movie.

01:09:31.000 He's a human Guy Ritchie movie.

01:09:33.000 For people who don't know who he is, he robbed a bank with a bunch of other dudes and they got away with like $500 million.

01:09:40.000 And then he jetted off to Morocco for a little bit, was hiding out over there, and then eventually got caught and now he's in jail.

01:09:47.000 It was actually at one point in time he was losing weight to try to slip in between the bars.

01:09:52.000 He was convinced that if he could get down to a certain weight he could get through the bars.

01:09:57.000 There should be a movie about him for sure.

01:09:59.000 I think Guy Ritchie has got to be on the case.

01:10:02.000 If anybody's making that movie, it's going to be Guy Ritchie.

01:10:04.000 That would be great.

01:10:05.000 That would be great.

01:10:09.000 Jorge Rivera, too.

01:10:11.000 That was another fight over there when he fought Jorge Rivera in Cage Warriors.

01:10:15.000 That was the one where he let him punch him in the face.

01:10:17.000 You remember that?

01:10:20.000 There's been a couple of them when he would do that, no?

01:10:22.000 He stood right in front of him, and he goes, go ahead.

01:10:25.000 And he punches him, he turns his head, he punches him, he turns his head, and he's like, marches him down, starts kicking his ass.

01:10:29.000 Oh, wow.

01:10:30.000 I don't remember that.

01:10:31.000 See if you can find that.

01:10:32.000 I don't remember that.

01:10:33.000 It's one of those ones where Mark Delagrate was in Jorge's Corner.

01:10:37.000 And he said he's seeing him punch Anderson in the face like, oh shit, he's going to fuck him up.

01:10:42.000 Oh shit, he's going to fuck him up.

01:10:42.000 And he goes, when Anderson feels nothing and doesn't even react, he's like, oh no!

01:10:48.000 Oh no!

01:10:50.000 Because I mean, he tees off with like several clean punches on Anderson and Anderson's letting him do it.

01:10:57.000 And then Anderson just starts marching him down and beating him up.

01:11:00.000 And that was what I was accustomed to.

01:11:02.000 So I had seen those big three fights over in Cage Warriors.

01:11:06.000 And so then when he came to the UFC and he fought Chris Lieben, I was like, oh my god, bet the house on the Brazilian.

01:11:11.000 Oh, for sure.

01:11:12.000 Here it is right here.

01:11:13.000 This is the fight.

01:11:14.000 And by the way, this organization, it's Cage Warriors, right?

01:11:18.000 Cage Warriors.

01:11:19.000 Cage Rage?

01:11:20.000 Yeah.

01:11:20.000 That's right.

01:11:21.000 Cage Warriors is a big organization now in England.

01:11:23.000 Okay, that's right.

01:11:24.000 Cage Rage.

01:11:25.000 And they used cargo net for fence instead of chain link fence.

01:11:29.000 It's a cargo net.

01:11:29.000 Oh, that's right.

01:11:30.000 That's right.

01:11:32.000 This organization had some great fights, man.

01:11:34.000 There were some really big fights that came out of here where guys like these two were going at it, and then eventually Anderson rolls on to become the GOAT. And this was like Rivera had been fighting in the UFC with much success.

01:11:48.000 He was a good guy, a very tough guy.

01:11:50.000 But this was a fight where Anderson just kind of showed how far ahead he is.

01:11:57.000 So he's standing right in front of him, marching him down, and at one point in time just lets him start punching him.

01:12:04.000 He just knew how to move away from shit just enough.

01:12:07.000 And the thing about a guy that fights like Anderson, it's, you know, he's at such a fucking insanely high level for these three or four years.

01:12:18.000 This fight, the Vitor fight, the two fights with Rich Franklin.

01:12:22.000 Like, I really feel like for an athlete, a real elite athlete, this is the time.

01:12:27.000 Like, look at this.

01:12:27.000 He's like standing in front of him in the clinch and he's letting him punch him in the face.

01:12:32.000 He hit him like three or four times in the face.

01:12:34.000 Like, look at this.

01:12:36.000 This is the scene.

01:12:38.000 Look, he's just letting him hit him.

01:12:40.000 Look.

01:12:40.000 Look at it.

01:12:41.000 Look at this.

01:12:41.000 He's letting him hit him.

01:12:43.000 And that's when Della Gratia was like, oh no!

01:12:46.000 Because Jorge's a big puncher.

01:12:48.000 So for Anderson to clinch with him and let him punch him in the face like that, and then just start marching him down, they were like, how do we win this fight?

01:12:56.000 And this was Anderson in his prime.

01:12:58.000 And then Anderson in his prime, well, you know, when he fought Chris Lieb, and that's Anderson in his prime.

01:13:01.000 There was quite a few fights where he exhibited an insane level of ability.

01:13:07.000 Yeah, the Liebman fight was like, holy shit, this dude just fucking iced you.

01:13:13.000 Yeah, I had a few friends come to that, and I was telling him, like, dude, go bet on this guy.

01:13:17.000 I think he threw, like, 100%.

01:13:18.000 Like, every shot he threw was like, everything landed, and then finished.

01:13:23.000 Yeah, and that was, back in the day, they didn't know anything.

01:13:25.000 Like, the line, the betting lines, they were wacky.

01:13:28.000 Like, guys would come in and people didn't know.

01:13:30.000 Like, that, you gotta bet on that guy!

01:13:32.000 Like, bet on that guy!

01:13:33.000 They don't know who he is!

01:13:34.000 Oh my god, he's gonna fuck everybody up!

01:13:36.000 There was a few of those guys, but no better example than Anderson.

01:13:39.000 Like, they were pretty hyped on Anderson being here.

01:13:41.000 But it wasn't nearly, it should have been like a thousand to one odds.

01:13:45.000 You know, that was one of those fights where you're just like, oh my god, there's a perfect style to, you know, matador.

01:13:51.000 Because Liebman was so powerful and so tough, and he would take one to give one.

01:13:55.000 Like, you can't take one to give one with Anderson Silva.

01:13:57.000 Not that level.

01:13:59.000 Anderson's like slick and moves his feet and stays, and Liebman's like a fucking truck guy, you know?

01:14:05.000 He's not hard to hit.

01:14:06.000 But the way Anderson pulled it off was like fucking poetry, man.

01:14:09.000 The combinations he hit him with, just poetry.

01:14:12.000 If you're a fan of beautiful timing and poise under pressure, because Liebman's coming with nuclear bombs, right?

01:14:21.000 Liebman knocked out Vanderlei, remember?

01:14:23.000 And Liebman's thing was he's dangerous when you hit him.

01:14:25.000 It was after you could win.

01:14:26.000 Liebman, it was like four fights or a couple fights in a row where Liebman got drilled and would come back, probably rocked it blindly and knock a guy out cold.

01:14:34.000 One of the best left hands ever.

01:14:36.000 There's a few fights like that.

01:14:37.000 He had a few crazy wars.

01:14:40.000 But when he knocked out Vanderlei Silva, I was like, holy shit, Chris Lieben.

01:14:44.000 You just knocked out the axe murderer.

01:14:46.000 But he was that guy.

01:14:47.000 If he clipped you, man, you had real problems.

01:14:50.000 He's a tough motherfucker, too.

01:14:53.000 But that style was tailor-made for Anderson.

01:14:57.000 So I think, like, there's an argument about Anderson, too.

01:14:59.000 There's an argument, like, if you look at years, you know, like years of being amazing, there's an argument that he's...

01:15:07.000 I mean, goddamn.

01:15:10.000 There was a few years where Anderson was just almost untouchable.

01:15:13.000 Yeah, but then you look at, like...

01:15:16.000 George St-Pierre.

01:15:18.000 Good argument there, too.

01:15:19.000 Almost his whole career, he was untouchable, consistent.

01:15:22.000 And then when he did lose a fight, he came back and justified it and did it well.

01:15:27.000 I think he's got to be up there.

01:15:30.000 Oh, he's got to be up there.

01:15:32.000 At every level of the fight game.

01:15:35.000 I would say right beyond her, under DJ. Yep.

01:15:38.000 He's in the conversation, right?

01:15:40.000 I think there's a real problem with having a GOAT. A GOAT. Because they're all fighting different divisions.

01:15:45.000 Well, and it's of all time, and of all time hasn't happened yet.

01:15:48.000 Yeah, it never ends.

01:15:49.000 It never ends.

01:15:50.000 You know?

01:15:51.000 But who the fuck is going to beat John's record?

01:15:53.000 Like Chuck Liddell in his day.

01:15:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:15:56.000 Chuck Liddell was like my idol, my hero, you know?

01:15:59.000 Yeah.

01:16:00.000 It was interesting that Rampage was his kryptonite.

01:16:04.000 You know?

01:16:04.000 Rampage was his kryptonite over in Pride.

01:16:06.000 And it just shows you, like, it's styles.

01:16:09.000 You know?

01:16:09.000 For sure.

01:16:10.000 Some guys have a style to beat certain guys, but some people will figure their number out.

01:16:16.000 You know, it's such a weird sport, man.

01:16:18.000 There's so many things going on.

01:16:20.000 You know?

01:16:20.000 It's just...

01:16:21.000 Your transition from...

01:16:24.000 Going through Muay Thai to kickboxing to MMA, I mean, you're one of the rare guys like you and Gaston, and there's a few other dudes who have really competed in all of the major combat sports, other than boxing.

01:16:39.000 Do you have any boxing fights?

01:16:40.000 I set the U.S. record for the fastest knockout in U.S. history.

01:16:44.000 Did you really?

01:16:44.000 My pro boxing debut, thank you very much.

01:16:46.000 No shit!

01:16:47.000 Yep.

01:16:47.000 When was this?

01:16:48.000 Five seconds.

01:16:49.000 Oh, man.

01:16:49.000 Whoa.

01:16:50.000 It was, uh...

01:16:52.000 Fuck.

01:16:52.000 I don't even know.

01:16:53.000 Dude, I didn't even know you boxed.

01:16:54.000 I had like three professional boxing fights.

01:16:56.000 I had about 15 professional amateur boxing fights.

01:17:01.000 Yeah, I fought at Hollywood Park Casino.

01:17:05.000 I fought a guy.

01:17:06.000 I was supposed to fight Fernando Vargas' brother and he pulled out like the week before the fight and they got some guy from Wildcard.

01:17:16.000 And this guy like idolized Mike Tyson, I guess.

01:17:19.000 He's like, what is his name?

01:17:22.000 Italian guy.

01:17:23.000 And he had a Mike Tyson tattoo on the side of his face.

01:17:25.000 Oh my god.

01:17:26.000 And he's got...

01:17:28.000 Black high-tops with no socks and the black shorts when we get in the ring.

01:17:31.000 I'm like, this dude just looks not there.

01:17:34.000 Like a bad cop?

01:17:36.000 Like a bad cop.

01:17:37.000 You just see him on sight.

01:17:38.000 This guy's not all there.

01:17:40.000 He stares me down.

01:17:42.000 I go back to the corner.

01:17:43.000 My coach, we haven't been training for the boxing fight.

01:17:45.000 I was like, man, this dude's going to rush me.

01:17:47.000 He's like, don't fucking kick him.

01:17:49.000 He's going to rush me right off the bat.

01:17:50.000 He's like, hit him.

01:17:52.000 In boxing, you...

01:17:54.000 Kickboxing, they always like walk us through the center kind of like, ready to fight.

01:17:58.000 Boxing in MMA that, you know, you ready over there, you ready over there, ready to go.

01:18:03.000 So he says, you know, ready to fight, ready to fight, come on through.

01:18:06.000 And I take like one step forward and I put my left hand out because I know the guy's going to rush me.

01:18:11.000 And sure enough, he just starts sprinting.

01:18:13.000 He's like running over and he's going to throw the overhand right.

01:18:15.000 And I was like, oh shit.

01:18:16.000 And I drop stepped through the right hand.

01:18:18.000 He ran into it, knocked him out cold and it was five seconds.

01:18:20.000 Wow.

01:18:21.000 It was tied for the world record at the time.

01:18:25.000 The world record was four seconds.

01:18:27.000 The US record was five seconds.

01:18:29.000 And if I would have taken one more step before I planted and put my foot out, I would have set the record.

01:18:34.000 But anyway, yeah, I have a pro boxing foot.

01:18:38.000 Dude, the first big thing that Glory did at the Forum, was that the Last Man Standing event?

01:18:49.000 The one that you were at?

01:18:50.000 It was Last Man Standing.

01:18:51.000 Was that the first big event they did at the Forum?

01:18:53.000 First one at the Forum, yeah.

01:18:54.000 That was crazy, man.

01:18:55.000 They did Glory 10 the year before, which was when I won the tournament.

01:18:58.000 I fought Artem and Kengo Shimizu.

01:19:01.000 Yeah, the Artem Levin fight was awesome.

01:19:04.000 And the knee that you caught him with on the way down, too, was perfect.

01:19:08.000 Man, I still...

01:19:09.000 I guess it didn't matter.

01:19:10.000 I won.

01:19:11.000 But I think I knocked him out with the Superman, and when he was falling on the way down...

01:19:14.000 You woke him up?

01:19:14.000 I hit him with the knee, and I woke him up.

01:19:16.000 Oh, really?

01:19:16.000 I've done that a couple times in my career.

01:19:17.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:19:18.000 You could actually wake someone up with a punch?

01:19:20.000 You would think you wouldn't care, but he eats at me at night.

01:19:22.000 I'm like, fuck, I could have had that, you know?

01:19:25.000 You never know, though.

01:19:26.000 That's speculation, right?

01:19:27.000 Right.

01:19:27.000 I don't know.

01:19:28.000 He definitely had him fucked up from the punch, too.

01:19:31.000 But I felt like the knee did more damage.

01:19:33.000 I felt like it helped.

01:19:35.000 Want to see it?

01:19:36.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:19:37.000 I want to see it.

01:19:38.000 Joe Schilling drops Artem Levin.

01:19:40.000 And he was a bad motherfucker, man.

01:19:42.000 That guy is so interesting.

01:19:43.000 Bad motherfucker.

01:19:45.000 Interesting style.

01:19:46.000 You know, weird.

01:19:47.000 Tricky.

01:19:48.000 He's like a real technician.

01:19:50.000 Very slick.

01:19:52.000 Very hard to hit.

01:19:53.000 And he'll throw shit with no telegraphing, particularly these low kicks.

01:19:56.000 They come out of nowhere.

01:19:58.000 There's no step.

01:19:59.000 He just smacks them in there on you sometimes.

01:20:00.000 He has all these change-up speeds.

01:20:03.000 If you ever watch Fedor fight, he does a lot of...

01:20:08.000 I don't know if you'll understand it, but Russian boxing is a little different.

01:20:12.000 They have a little different footwork in their movements and stuff.

01:20:16.000 Fedor does kind of that stuff, and Artem for sure does it a lot.

01:20:20.000 Yeah, he's slick, man.

01:20:22.000 He's real slick.

01:20:23.000 This is a great fucking fight, by the way.

01:20:26.000 This is the very end.

01:20:28.000 So Artim is real tall, and he's real hard to hit.

01:20:32.000 I had a real hard time reaching him with punches.

01:20:34.000 So every time I would throw the right hand, he would lean back just out of...

01:20:38.000 Just out of range where I couldn't reach him.

01:20:41.000 That's why I threw the Superman punch, so I could jump a few feet farther.

01:20:45.000 Just let some of it roll.

01:20:48.000 Just let it roll.

01:20:49.000 Doesn't matter.

01:20:50.000 My favorite knockout of yours ever, though, was Simon Marcus.

01:20:53.000 That was crazy.

01:20:54.000 That was crazy, because that was a wild-ass fight.

01:20:57.000 And you had to go four rounds.

01:20:58.000 And you were there for it.

01:20:59.000 You fought the arena that night.

01:21:01.000 Oh my god, dude!

01:21:02.000 That gave me hope for kickboxing.

01:21:04.000 It really did.

01:21:04.000 It gave me a lot of hope for kickboxing as well.

01:21:06.000 Because I was like, the forum is fucking packed, and the fights were wild, man.

01:21:10.000 I mean, it was a wild event.

01:21:13.000 When you threw that right-hand haymaker and caught Simon Marcus on the chin, you see his jaw snap sideways and his mouthpiece go flying out.

01:21:22.000 That was one of the prettiest knockouts ever.

01:21:24.000 And also because of the fact the fight was so close.

01:21:28.000 It was so much chaos.

01:21:29.000 That fight was wild, dude.

01:21:32.000 And he dropped you in the second?

01:21:34.000 Was it in the second round?

01:21:35.000 Yep, second round.

01:21:36.000 And it was like, oh shit.

01:21:37.000 It was a fucking war, man.

01:21:39.000 There was so much heavy bombing on each other.

01:21:42.000 And this is a tournament.

01:21:43.000 You had to fight four times that night?

01:21:45.000 Three times.

01:21:46.000 Three times.

01:21:47.000 Three times.

01:21:47.000 Dude.

01:21:49.000 And we had fought twice in the past, and we had a lot of...

01:21:52.000 Animosity?

01:21:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:54.000 I mean, yes, you know.

01:21:55.000 Tension?

01:21:55.000 A lot of tension, a lot of animosity.

01:21:57.000 Just competitive drive?

01:21:59.000 Glory kind of got big in the U.S., We're just after we had started, the Muay Thai had started growing in the US. Lion Fight started doing well.

01:22:08.000 And a lot of that happened because of Simon and I's two fights in Lion Fight.

01:22:12.000 Like I started Can't Stop Crazy.

01:22:14.000 We started doing our own interviews.

01:22:15.000 We're like giving like, talking shit back and forth.

01:22:18.000 Like there was like a hype behind.

01:22:20.000 Find the whole thing.

01:22:20.000 We bet our purse for the fight.

01:22:23.000 Oh, wow.

01:22:25.000 On our first fight.

01:22:27.000 Yeah, our first fight.

01:22:28.000 We bet our purses.

01:22:29.000 Mine was a little bigger, so I matched his purse, but it was still in the media.

01:22:32.000 It was known that we were betting our purses on the fight.

01:22:35.000 We sold out the Hard Rock, the Pond or whatever for...

01:22:40.000 Was it the Pearl?

01:22:41.000 The Pond?

01:22:42.000 The Pearl, the Pond?

01:22:43.000 Yeah.

01:22:44.000 You had some wild fights with him.

01:22:47.000 So then when we came back later, he had beat me twice.

01:22:49.000 Beat me twice.

01:22:50.000 So you had to give him up your purse?

01:22:52.000 Yeah, when I lost.

01:22:53.000 How bad did that suck?

01:22:54.000 It was like six grand, but I was only making like, I don't think it was that much.

01:22:57.000 It was like, I think he made like three grand.

01:22:59.000 I mean, I went home with like a thousand bucks, which at the time was a lot.

01:23:02.000 It sucked.

01:23:03.000 It was terrible.

01:23:04.000 And I wanted the rematch.

01:23:05.000 And then we had the rematch and there was controversy behind that too.

01:23:08.000 And then years later we fought and glory and it was like redemption.

01:23:11.000 And then I knocked him out on the extra round.

01:23:13.000 It was...

01:23:13.000 Oh, yeah.

01:23:14.000 Fourth round, man.

01:23:15.000 I'll never forget it.

01:23:16.000 Because after the third, I was like, what?

01:23:18.000 They gotta go one more round of this?

01:23:21.000 Because it was such a fucking crazy fight.

01:23:24.000 I was gonna bring this...

01:23:25.000 I'm glad you brought that up.

01:23:26.000 So, remember everybody's talking about this week in the fight where Drysdale...

01:23:31.000 They were telling him to stop the fight.

01:23:33.000 And he was like, Drysdale's just trying to be a coach, trying to keep him going or whatever.

01:23:37.000 And there's a lot of people saying...

01:23:38.000 If the fighter says he doesn't want to do it anymore or whatever.

01:23:41.000 That's Simon Marcus fight after three rounds.

01:23:44.000 Now, I wasn't begging my coach to stop it, but I did not want to go another fucking round.

01:23:48.000 And I was like, oh, did I win?

01:23:50.000 I think you're going to have to do one more.

01:23:51.000 And I'm like, fuck, I can't do one more.

01:23:53.000 I don't want to do one more.

01:23:53.000 I can't do one more.

01:23:54.000 My coach is like, fucking, you can do it one more round.

01:23:57.000 Then we do it.

01:23:59.000 This is it.

01:24:00.000 Boom.

01:24:01.000 Nope, that's not the punch.

01:24:02.000 A lot of fighters experience that, and it's the coach's job, I think, to try to keep them going.

01:24:08.000 I'm on Drysdale's side on that.

01:24:10.000 But ultimately, he didn't fight anyway.

01:24:12.000 They stopped it, right?

01:24:13.000 Yeah.

01:24:14.000 Well, ultimately, he did.

01:24:15.000 But it was very, very controversial.

01:24:17.000 But I get Drysdale's position.

01:24:20.000 And listen, in retrospect, after the conversation is over, yeah, maybe you should have called it when the guy said, call it.

01:24:27.000 But in the moment, he doesn't know that he can't talk the guy into fighting and then maybe the guy wins.

01:24:32.000 You don't know what a person's psychological mindset is like unless you train with that person.

01:24:37.000 And there are some people that you can talk into performing better.

01:24:41.000 That said, he took a lot of fucking punishment in that second round, right?

01:24:46.000 Maybe he knew something.

01:24:47.000 Maybe it was a good thing to stop.

01:24:49.000 There's some times when your body's just broken.

01:24:51.000 There's some times when you shouldn't go on.

01:24:54.000 And this debate, I think, is very healthy.

01:24:56.000 The debate of whether or not the coach was right or whether or not the guy was right.

01:24:59.000 Ultimately, the guy's right because he can't go on, so he doesn't.

01:25:02.000 And he quits.

01:25:03.000 And that's his decision.

01:25:06.000 Only he knows what was going on with his body.

01:25:09.000 You remember when Gerald McClellan got criticized for taking a knee against Nigel Benn?

01:25:14.000 I don't know if you remember it, but that's the fight that put Gerald McClellan in a coma and severely handicapped him.

01:25:24.000 Gerald McClellan at the time was a fucking assassin, man.

01:25:28.000 He was so scary.

01:25:29.000 But he was another guy that cut way too much weight.

01:25:31.000 He cut a lot of weight, man.

01:25:32.000 It was hard for him.

01:25:33.000 He was really big.

01:25:34.000 And so when he would get into the...

01:25:36.000 I forget if he's fought 168. I think he was fighting in Roy Jones's division.

01:25:41.000 Is it 168 or 175?

01:25:43.000 Pull up Gerald McClellan vs.

01:25:46.000 Nigel Benn.

01:25:46.000 This was the Dark Destroyer.

01:25:49.000 Because Nigel Benn, it was a wild ass fight too.

01:25:51.000 Nigel's got crazy dreadlocks.

01:25:52.000 And Gerald McClellan knocked him through the ropes in the first round.

01:25:55.000 Because he would smash people.

01:25:56.000 He would just smash people.

01:25:57.000 He was a cronk guy.

01:25:59.000 So he fought like a cronk guy.

01:26:01.000 Just moving forward behind the jab.

01:26:04.000 Big right hands.

01:26:04.000 Just nasty, vicious puncher.

01:26:07.000 Well, Nigel Benn gets up, and he makes it through the round, and then turns into a war.

01:26:13.000 And then Gerald McClellan starts getting tired, and then they clash heads.

01:26:17.000 And then Nigel Benn hits him with a couple punches late in the fight, and when Nigel Benn hit him...

01:26:21.000 See, this is early on.

01:26:23.000 Go a little earlier than this, so we could see this combination.

01:26:27.000 But this was Gerald McClellan, and everybody was real keen on him fighting Roy Jones Jr. This was when Roy Jones was in his prime, and this was the big challenge.

01:26:37.000 Was Gerald McClellan, Roy Jones Jr. Everybody was thinking that was eventually going to have to happen.

01:26:42.000 Because Gerald was just smashing people.

01:26:44.000 And Nigel Benn was tough, man.

01:26:46.000 Fucking tough.

01:26:47.000 But look at this.

01:26:48.000 Boom, boom, boom.

01:26:49.000 He's out, man.

01:26:50.000 And he falls through the fucking ropes.

01:26:52.000 You can see he's really out of it.

01:26:54.000 But so tough and so conditioned that he makes it back.

01:26:58.000 Look at that.

01:26:59.000 Barely can get through the ropes.

01:27:00.000 Got a lot of seconds there, though.

01:27:02.000 That's probably more than 10 seconds.

01:27:05.000 So anyway, look at the referee, there's more seconds.

01:27:08.000 And Gerald's still teeing off on him.

01:27:10.000 And Nigel survives!

01:27:11.000 It doesn't seem like he's gonna survive, but he fucking survives.

01:27:15.000 So then, late in the fight, Nigel's making a comeback.

01:27:19.000 So scooch way ahead here.

01:27:20.000 And when Nigel starts teeing off Gerald and Gerald's punches are coming real slow and he's getting tired and Nigel starts connecting and I mean the crowd is going fucking bananas it is a wild ass fight and at one point in time they headbutt and then Nigel hits him with some punches and McClellan takes a knee and everybody's like I can't believe this he's gonna quit he's gonna quit and then he goes to his corner and then he slumps and goes unconscious like he knew something was wrong And anybody that criticizes

01:27:51.000 in the moment, you know, they're saying, I can't believe he's doing this.

01:27:53.000 I can't believe he's fucking, he's just gonna quit.

01:27:56.000 But he knew something was really off.

01:27:59.000 Only the fighter knows.

01:28:01.000 I mean, maybe it's psychological, but maybe something's wrong, man.

01:28:04.000 Maybe he can't think.

01:28:05.000 Maybe his brain is just fucked.

01:28:07.000 Maybe he knows he's not gonna be able to punch right.

01:28:09.000 Maybe he knows.

01:28:10.000 There it is.

01:28:11.000 So he goes down and just decides to stay down.

01:28:15.000 He's like, something is fucking really wrong.

01:28:17.000 He's like out of it.

01:28:21.000 Hmm.

01:28:23.000 And you see, this is, I mean, Gerald, he just looks, it looks wrong.

01:28:27.000 Something looks wrong.

01:28:29.000 You know, he's hurt bad, and Nigel Benn is moving in for the fucking kill.

01:28:33.000 And he drops him there with an uppercut, and this is where he quits.

01:28:36.000 See, now, this is where, like, you see him, he's struggling, man.

01:28:40.000 But, if I remember correctly, the commentators were shocked that he decided to stay down.

01:28:47.000 Yeah.

01:28:50.000 He's quit.

01:28:51.000 So they said it that way, and I think they were expressing some shock that he quit and pretty pumped that Nigel Benn beat him.

01:28:59.000 But they didn't know.

01:29:01.000 And Gerald McClellan, that injury, scared the fuck out of everybody because he was one of the golden guys.

01:29:08.000 He was one of the guys that everybody was excited about.

01:29:10.000 It was like if that happened today to Ryan Garcia or someone like that.

01:29:18.000 Someone who's a real exciting up-and-coming dude.

01:29:22.000 Someone who's...

01:29:24.000 You know, Canelo.

01:29:26.000 I guess Canelo's a bigger star than Gerald.

01:29:28.000 But when someone who's of that nature, like an elite, super elite fighter, winds up going into a coma like that, that's fucking terrifying shit.

01:29:38.000 And he came out of it okay?

01:29:40.000 No.

01:29:40.000 No, he didn't.

01:29:41.000 He died.

01:29:41.000 No, he's all fucked up.

01:29:42.000 Oh, really?

01:29:43.000 Yeah, he can't see.

01:29:44.000 And, you know, there's been some videos of Roy Jones Jr. visiting him.

01:29:48.000 But apparently that was responsible for Roy Jones kind of altering his style and being very safety first.

01:29:55.000 Really?

01:29:55.000 Yeah.

01:29:56.000 And just thinking about eventually, you know, getting out of the sport, which is ironic, right?

01:30:00.000 Because he wound up fighting later and later and later.

01:30:03.000 I mean, he had his last fight just a couple of years ago.

01:30:05.000 Right.

01:30:08.000 Right.

01:30:08.000 It's crazy.

01:30:10.000 It's a wild-ass sport.

01:30:11.000 You're in Joe Schilling.

01:30:12.000 Yep.

01:30:13.000 All the aspects of it, whether it's boxing or Muay Thai or MMA. When is Bellator going to start having fights again?

01:30:19.000 I don't know.

01:30:20.000 I haven't heard from them.

01:30:21.000 They're playing it safe, huh?

01:30:23.000 I guess so.

01:30:24.000 They don't have a fight island, I guess.

01:30:28.000 But you can have fights in new crowds.

01:30:30.000 They're letting people do that.

01:30:31.000 Are they doing that?

01:30:31.000 The UFC's done a few of them.

01:30:33.000 Man, UFC's done it.

01:30:34.000 They test the fuck out of you.

01:30:36.000 Yeah, I was there with Daniel Rodriguez.

01:30:38.000 That's right.

01:30:39.000 And Eddie Bravo.

01:30:40.000 Yeah.

01:30:41.000 And yeah, we were tested when we first got there.

01:30:44.000 They made it take our temperature every day.

01:30:46.000 They bought out the whole hotel.

01:30:50.000 Yeah, I was there.

01:30:52.000 We were social distanced the whole time.

01:30:54.000 Yeah, I think it's...

01:30:55.000 Oh, no, I wasn't there for that one.

01:30:57.000 That was the Vegas one, right?

01:30:58.000 Yeah.

01:30:59.000 I think it's okay the way they're doing it.

01:31:02.000 It's working out for everybody.

01:31:04.000 Guys getting to fight.

01:31:04.000 We're all getting to see that.

01:31:06.000 So there's something about Ferguson versus Gagey.

01:31:08.000 To have that in an empty arena, there was something wild about it.

01:31:13.000 For sure.

01:31:13.000 There was something wild about no crowd.

01:31:15.000 For sure.

01:31:16.000 I think it added.

01:31:16.000 You could hear everything.

01:31:18.000 I think it added...

01:31:19.000 I mean, I don't think it's the right way to do it.

01:31:20.000 I think it's best with the crowd.

01:31:22.000 But it's not a bad thing to have no crowd.

01:31:25.000 No.

01:31:26.000 Yeah.

01:31:27.000 I mean, maybe guys can fight better, too.

01:31:30.000 There might be guys who can, like, stay more calm because there's less energy.

01:31:34.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:31:35.000 I could see a lot of people feeling that way, probably.

01:31:37.000 Yeah, probably, right?

01:31:39.000 Mm-hmm.

01:31:40.000 Because, god damn, they've had some fucking wild fights.

01:31:43.000 That Gaethje-Ferguson fight was insane.

01:31:46.000 What a fucking fight.

01:31:47.000 Insane.

01:31:47.000 How do you watch that fight and you're not a tremendous fan of both of them after that?

01:31:51.000 Both of them.

01:31:52.000 Yeah, I mean...

01:31:53.000 Both of them.

01:31:53.000 Dude, Gaethje is a stud.

01:31:55.000 He just figured out.

01:31:57.000 He just figured out how to just take a little bit off.

01:32:00.000 Take a little bit off.

01:32:01.000 Step away a little bit sometimes.

01:32:03.000 Come in at angles.

01:32:05.000 Faint sometimes.

01:32:06.000 Don't just maul people.

01:32:08.000 Because he was breaking people's will before, you know?

01:32:11.000 I think Trevor Whitman and his relationship is really special.

01:32:14.000 It had a lot to do with him being able to say exactly what he needed to hear to do what they did.

01:32:20.000 It was really impressive.

01:32:21.000 There's that for sure.

01:32:23.000 Whitman's a bad motherfucker and he's very smart.

01:32:25.000 God, he loves Gagey and he loves his athletes and he loves the sport.

01:32:29.000 No doubt about that.

01:32:31.000 Trevor's a wizard.

01:32:32.000 He really is.

01:32:33.000 But Gagey's something special, man.

01:32:35.000 Something special about that kid's mind.

01:32:37.000 It's his body for sure.

01:32:39.000 He's got, you know, awesome skills.

01:32:41.000 One of the best, like, leg kickers in a clinch I think I've ever seen.

01:32:45.000 Right.

01:32:45.000 Like, he knows how to, like, while you're tying up in the clinch, he'll fucking, just a little step and a nasty leg kick.

01:32:53.000 He's fucking...

01:32:54.000 A gas tank and a workhorse and a fucking throwing bombs and, like...

01:32:58.000 And walks to the cage like he's getting to his truck to go to work in the morning.

01:33:03.000 Almost like there's no emotions.

01:33:04.000 There's nothing, no nerves, no weirdness, no craziness.

01:33:08.000 I don't remember the exact quote, so I'm not even going to bother saying it.

01:33:11.000 But it was something fucking iconic as fuck.

01:33:14.000 He was talking about the fighters.

01:33:15.000 He's either going to knock me or I'm going to knock him out.

01:33:17.000 That's just the way it's going to be.

01:33:19.000 He said it way better than that.

01:33:20.000 Yeah, because he's not bragging.

01:33:21.000 There was no way you could read it and not respect the fuck out of him the way he said it.

01:33:25.000 It was dope.

01:33:25.000 That's the way he fights, too.

01:33:27.000 Yeah, he's a cool dude.

01:33:28.000 Even the fights that he's lost, the Poirier fight and the Eddie Alvarez fight, fucking amazing fights, man.

01:33:33.000 And he almost lost the Michael Johnson fight.

01:33:35.000 Michael Johnson had him buying real estate on Queer Street.

01:33:37.000 He was dancing all over the place.

01:33:39.000 I mean, it was wild that he survived that, because Johnson has a nasty left hand.

01:33:44.000 And he clipped him with several punches, like big shots.

01:33:47.000 He had Gagey wobbled, like real wobbled.

01:33:50.000 That's one of those fights that could have easily gone the other way.

01:33:53.000 Johnson could have caught him with one more shot.

01:33:55.000 The Poirier fight, too.

01:33:56.000 The Poirier fight was...

01:33:57.000 Anyone could have had that fight.

01:33:59.000 Anyone could have had that fight.

01:34:00.000 And Poirier's leg was shot, man.

01:34:03.000 He chops legs like nobody, man.

01:34:05.000 Crazy, because he came out as a wrestler.

01:34:07.000 Wrestler.

01:34:08.000 Never wrestles.

01:34:08.000 No!

01:34:09.000 Never wrestles.

01:34:09.000 Doesn't wrestle anybody!

01:34:11.000 But that's what makes him so dangerous for Khabib, right?

01:34:14.000 Because Khabib is the wrestler who always wrestles.

01:34:17.000 Obviously showed he could drop Conor.

01:34:19.000 Obviously shows he's fast as fuck with his hands on his feet.

01:34:22.000 He's dropped guys before.

01:34:23.000 But he's not a kickboxer in the sense that like Gagey is.

01:34:28.000 When you see Gagey fighting, he's basically a kickboxer.

01:34:33.000 I mean, with a wrestling background and skill so that you can't take him down.

01:34:36.000 So he's forcing the kickboxing, but he stands straight up.

01:34:40.000 You know, he's standing like a striker.

01:34:43.000 He stands like a striker.

01:34:44.000 Like, so does Jorge Masvidal.

01:34:46.000 Yeah.

01:34:47.000 He stands straight up.

01:34:48.000 Man, his striking is really, really good.

01:34:50.000 He's been really good.

01:34:51.000 His fight with Nate was fucking awesome.

01:34:53.000 Nasty.

01:34:54.000 He's so good, man.

01:34:55.000 So good.

01:34:56.000 So clever.

01:34:56.000 So good.

01:34:57.000 So funny.

01:34:58.000 He's hilarious.

01:34:59.000 I think he's hilarious.

01:35:00.000 I really like both those guys.

01:35:02.000 You know what else he is?

01:35:02.000 He's fucking mean.

01:35:04.000 That's a mean dude.

01:35:06.000 Like when they asked him about the Ben Askren shot, was it necessary to punch him again on the ground?

01:35:11.000 He goes, it was super necessary.

01:35:12.000 Super necessary.

01:35:12.000 That became like a big hashtag, super necessary.

01:35:15.000 Dude, it's hilarious.

01:35:16.000 I think it's hilarious.

01:35:17.000 But hey man, he's in the fucking Hurt game.

01:35:20.000 You can't play your bullshit nonsense in the Hurt game.

01:35:24.000 And if everybody's picking a gimmick or whatever and they're trying to push and everyone's trying to be Connor, why not be yourself who's fucking mean?

01:35:32.000 You're mean.

01:35:33.000 Yeah, and super talented.

01:35:34.000 So talented.

01:35:36.000 So much experience.

01:35:37.000 People don't know.

01:35:38.000 That guy knocked out Eve Edwards with a head kick in Bodog.

01:35:41.000 Eve Edwards.

01:35:42.000 Eve Edwards is a slick striker, especially back then.

01:35:46.000 That was Eve Edwards when Eve Edwards was arguably the best 155-pounder in the world.

01:35:50.000 That was after he knocked out Josh Thompson in that highlight reel where he throws that round kick off the spin.

01:35:56.000 Spinning back fist, yeah.

01:35:57.000 Spinning back fist, then he throws a round kick and catches him right in the net.

01:35:59.000 It's still like the UFC's little clip.

01:36:03.000 And it's Josh Buck and Thompson.

01:36:04.000 He's one of the toughest guys to ever live.

01:36:06.000 Another monster.

01:36:07.000 Another monster.

01:36:07.000 I mean, that was the last guy to knock out Nate.

01:36:12.000 Before Masvidal had stopped him.

01:36:14.000 He was the first guy to ever stop Nate.

01:36:16.000 Josh is as good as he gets.

01:36:18.000 When you see that fight, that was two guys who easily could have done the same to each other.

01:36:24.000 Time didn't play out that way.

01:36:25.000 Eve landed the perfect shot.

01:36:26.000 It was a neck kick.

01:36:27.000 It was just fucking spectacular.

01:36:29.000 At that time, Eve was thought to be absolutely one of the very best fighters in the world.

01:36:34.000 Probably the best 155 pounder alive.

01:36:36.000 The UFC changed the division.

01:36:37.000 They gave up the 155 division back then.

01:36:40.000 I remember it.

01:36:40.000 It was very disheartening.

01:36:41.000 I was like, there's so much talent in this division.

01:36:44.000 But they were hemorrhaging money, man.

01:36:46.000 This is all pre-Ultimate Fighter.

01:36:48.000 They didn't know what they were doing.

01:36:50.000 In terms of the future, they were $44 million in debt.

01:36:54.000 They were like, what are we doing?

01:36:54.000 Are we going to sell this?

01:36:55.000 Are we going to keep it?

01:36:56.000 They just had their balls, though.

01:36:58.000 Lorenzo Fertitta, Frank Fertitta, and Dana White, all three of them have balls.

01:37:02.000 They were just like, let's just ride.

01:37:04.000 Let's let it ride.

01:37:04.000 They were calling Dana up going, look for a buyer.

01:37:06.000 Let's find a buyer.

01:37:07.000 We've got to get out of this.

01:37:08.000 We're not going to lose our family's fortune.

01:37:10.000 We're $44 million in the hole in this cage fighting shit.

01:37:13.000 Obviously, this is too brutal for America.

01:37:15.000 They're not really into it.

01:37:17.000 But then they figured it out.

01:37:18.000 That Ultimate Fighter show, they financed the whole show, paid for all of it.

01:37:22.000 Paid for the whole thing.

01:37:23.000 Paid to be on the network.

01:37:24.000 And then, boom!

01:37:26.000 That one final fight with Forrest Griffin and Stefan Bonner.

01:37:30.000 And these two crazy fucks are beating the shit out of each other.

01:37:33.000 And it is a wild melee of a fight.

01:37:36.000 And the viewership just keeps going up during the fight.

01:37:40.000 Millions and millions of people watched during the fight.

01:37:43.000 Like, tuned in.

01:37:43.000 Extra people tuned in.

01:37:45.000 Because people were calling their friends like, bro, you gotta watch this shit.

01:37:48.000 This is nuts!

01:37:49.000 And this spec, people didn't even know what it was.

01:37:51.000 Like, what is this?

01:37:52.000 What, do they got little gloves on?

01:37:53.000 What is happening here?

01:37:54.000 Before the Ultimate Fighter, there was fans of UFC or cage fighting or whatever, but they didn't really get to know who Chuck Liddell was that much.

01:38:04.000 They didn't get to know those people.

01:38:05.000 With the Ultimate Fighter, they got to know these people.

01:38:09.000 There was a thing that grew, and then you saw this insane fight.

01:38:13.000 Couldn't have played out better.

01:38:14.000 Yeah.

01:38:16.000 Couldn't have played out better.

01:38:17.000 God damn, they nailed it.

01:38:19.000 And then boom!

01:38:21.000 And that was a Craig Polygian show.

01:38:23.000 He was the guy who did Survivor.

01:38:25.000 He knew how to do those reality shows.

01:38:27.000 Oh really?

01:38:28.000 Dude, he's a G. He's one of the greats in terms of that genre.

01:38:33.000 That guy knows how to make those fucking shows.

01:38:35.000 That's why it was so good.

01:38:37.000 It didn't feel like a clunky reality show.

01:38:40.000 It was a fun reality show to watch.

01:38:42.000 Oh, they're bringing it back, by the way.

01:38:45.000 Paulo Costa and Israel Adesanya.

01:38:47.000 Oh, really?

01:38:48.000 Yeah.

01:38:49.000 Really?

01:38:49.000 Holy shit.

01:38:50.000 Tell me you're not going to watch that.

01:38:51.000 I'm for sure going to watch that.

01:38:52.000 That fight is a wild fight, man.

01:38:55.000 Yeah.

01:38:56.000 I want to see Izzy and Jon Jones, though.

01:38:59.000 I do, too.

01:39:00.000 I do, too.

01:39:01.000 But Izzy and Costa has to happen, man.

01:39:04.000 For sure.

01:39:04.000 When you see what Costa did to Yoel Romero, walking down Yoel Romero, who the fuck walks down Yoel Romero?

01:39:12.000 There's a picture I put up on my Instagram of him head-kicking Romero.

01:39:16.000 I mean, just clean.

01:39:18.000 Just clean.

01:39:19.000 Shin to the head.

01:39:19.000 And you see Romero's crazy skull turn sideways.

01:39:24.000 I'll tell you something that Dana White told me.

01:39:28.000 Yoel had an injury in one of his fights.

01:39:31.000 He had some sort of fractured orbital.

01:39:32.000 Some sort of minor fracture of the bone around his eye.

01:39:37.000 After the fight.

01:39:37.000 Yeah, after the fight.

01:39:38.000 During the fight, he got it.

01:39:39.000 After the fight, they sent him to a doctor.

01:39:42.000 The doctor calls the UFC. He goes, where did you find this guy?

01:39:45.000 And they go, yeah, he's a stud, right?

01:39:47.000 He goes, no, no, no.

01:39:48.000 You don't understand.

01:39:49.000 Like, I've never seen...

01:39:50.000 The guy was like, I've practiced medicine for almost 50 years.

01:39:53.000 He goes, I've never seen a person who's built like this.

01:39:56.000 He said the tendons in his eyes are three times larger than a normal person's.

01:40:02.000 Like, here's it.

01:40:03.000 Is that it?

01:40:04.000 Well, that's one of them.

01:40:05.000 He had kicked him several times.

01:40:07.000 But there's one image...

01:40:09.000 There's an image that I had on my Instagram that it's so crazy.

01:40:15.000 It just kept beating him down.

01:40:17.000 Oh, this is the entire thing?

01:40:20.000 There it is.

01:40:20.000 That was the one that was on my Instagram.

01:40:22.000 He just head kicked him over and over again.

01:40:23.000 Look at that.

01:40:24.000 That's the picture.

01:40:25.000 What the fuck, man?

01:40:27.000 The guy's just made out of metal.

01:40:29.000 And all the guys who fight him say that, too.

01:40:32.000 Luke Rock, look at that.

01:40:34.000 I mean, come on, man.

01:40:36.000 Jarek Brunson just clanged his shin off of his head.

01:40:39.000 In the back of the head.

01:40:40.000 Crazy.

01:40:41.000 Uriah Hall and him are gonna fight.

01:40:43.000 That's a great fight.

01:40:44.000 August 22nd.

01:40:46.000 He's the most terrifying specimen.

01:40:48.000 So the doctor was saying, like, what is going on with this guy?

01:40:51.000 He's built like no person I've ever seen in my life.

01:40:54.000 And so what the UFC was trying to figure out was Cuba.

01:40:59.000 has always had a very aggressive athlete program and they've been involved in all kinds of weird shenanigans and they're tightly connected to the Soviet Union particularly back then and he was on the Cuban Olympic team and you know Soviet Union has done some really weird shit when it comes to you know like experiments on athletes and you saw the movie Icarus right?

01:41:26.000 Did you ever see that movie?

01:41:27.000 I don't think so.

01:41:28.000 You need to see that movie.

01:41:29.000 I might have seen it.

01:41:30.000 Tell me about it.

01:41:32.000 It's about this guy who is...

01:41:34.000 The guy who made the document...

01:41:37.000 What is Brian's last name again?

01:41:40.000 The guy who made it?

01:41:41.000 Pull up the image of it.

01:41:43.000 It's a Netflix...

01:41:45.000 Icarus.

01:41:48.000 Fogel, that's right.

01:41:49.000 Sorry, Brian.

01:41:50.000 I smoke too much weed.

01:41:52.000 So what Brian decides to do is film himself competing in an endurance race, a bike race, and then do it the next time, next year, juiced up.

01:42:05.000 So he does one year.

01:42:07.000 And he does this whole thing.

01:42:09.000 I think I did see part of this.

01:42:10.000 It's an amazing documentary.

01:42:12.000 Then he gets in touch with this Russian guy who's going to teach him how to do it.

01:42:16.000 And this Russian guy works for the Russian Anti-Doping Agency or whatever they call it over there.

01:42:20.000 And the Russian guy, in the middle of this happening, in the middle of doping him up, It turns out that they catch the fact that the Russian team had basically taken, in the Sochi Olympics, they basically taken all of the piss that was like the clean piss,

01:42:39.000 the piss that people did samples, they removed them through a hole in the wall and replaced them with clean piss.

01:42:45.000 So every single athlete Had their piss swapped out.

01:42:51.000 And this guy, who's the Russian guy, is explaining this all to this Brian Fogel guy.

01:42:57.000 While this is all going down in the news, he just stepped in shit.

01:43:00.000 So this is all going down in the news that they caught the Russian sports, whatever the fuck they are, Did they figure out these there's micro scratches inside these bottles that indicate there were these removal unremovable bottles had actually been removed and they figured out how to do it with some sort of a tool but the tool left scratches on and they figured this out and then they found this hole in the wall like a hole that big where they would I would hand you some dirty piss you'd hand me some clean piss I'd replace the piss and so they did that with all the athletes so all the Russian athlete most likely juice to the

01:43:30.000 fucking gills No, no, no.

01:43:32.000 They did it.

01:43:33.000 The athlete's just pissed.

01:43:34.000 But his perspective was it was their job to be on steroids.

01:43:39.000 They all were on steroids.

01:43:40.000 This wasn't like they didn't get to choose.

01:43:42.000 It wasn't like they're cheating.

01:43:43.000 The government is making sure you cheat.

01:43:45.000 They're going to take care of you.

01:43:47.000 Dude, it's crazy.

01:43:49.000 Crazy.

01:43:49.000 It's an amazing documentary.

01:43:51.000 So what happens when he...

01:43:53.000 He has to go on the witness protection program.

01:43:55.000 So the guy comes to America.

01:43:56.000 Oh yeah, everybody's smashing.

01:43:58.000 Oh, no, no.

01:43:58.000 He actually got injured a bunch, and actually his time sucked on the second one.

01:44:02.000 And I think his battery broke.

01:44:04.000 Something broke on his bike.

01:44:06.000 Something fucked up on his bike, too.

01:44:08.000 He had some problems.

01:44:09.000 So he didn't wind up doing that well.

01:44:11.000 That steroids work, and instead he proved that...

01:44:13.000 Well, he proved that he gets injured.

01:44:16.000 Right.

01:44:16.000 But along the way, he planned on doing really good on Juice, but he just got fucked up a bunch of times and he wound up being hurt and didn't perform that well.

01:44:25.000 It won the Oscar for Best Documentary.

01:44:27.000 Oh, damn.

01:44:28.000 And it should have.

01:44:28.000 It's amazing.

01:44:29.000 But once he did it, and he starts interacting with this Russian cat who's teaching him how to do all this stuff.

01:44:36.000 What is the guy's name?

01:44:37.000 Gregorov?

01:44:38.000 Yuri?

01:44:39.000 What's his name?

01:44:44.000 Gregorov?

01:44:46.000 These goddamn Russian names.

01:44:48.000 Grigory Rodchenkov.

01:44:50.000 Oh, there it is.

01:44:51.000 Okay, Grigory Rodchenkov.

01:44:54.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:44:55.000 So that's the guy.

01:44:56.000 And, um, I mean, he basically spills all the beans.

01:45:02.000 So once he realizes, like, he's on the run, by the way, they take away his family's money, they take away their home, they made him homeless, they made his family homeless.

01:45:10.000 He had to leave behind his wife and his kids.

01:45:12.000 Like, he's fucked.

01:45:13.000 Like, it's not good.

01:45:14.000 And he's hiding in America.

01:45:15.000 He's probably in South Dakota right now, in a dive bar with fucking four goons standing over his shoulders looking out for Russians.

01:45:20.000 I mean, he's fucked.

01:45:22.000 And he told the whole truth of how they did it, why they did it, the way they've done it always in the past.

01:45:28.000 And it's not a coincidence that Russia, like, the amount of gold medalists they got from that one Olympics was just staggering.

01:45:36.000 And then the Olympic Committee removed them from the next one.

01:45:40.000 Like, they weren't able to compete, like a lot of the sports, they weren't able to compete in the next Olympics.

01:45:44.000 Yeah, I remember that.

01:45:46.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:45:48.000 But he was also detailing how crazy it is that the Olympic Committee and the World Doping Agency, the WADA, is it WADA? Whichever one it was that test them.

01:45:58.000 They work for each other.

01:46:00.000 Like this guy will go to work for there and that guy will go to work for here.

01:46:03.000 They're all buddies.

01:46:04.000 We're friends over here.

01:46:06.000 Carl Lewis, he's a good guy.

01:46:08.000 He's a good guy.

01:46:09.000 Get rid of that piss.

01:46:11.000 Here, take my piss.

01:46:12.000 I'm clean.

01:46:12.000 Take my piss.

01:46:13.000 And, you know, that was one of the things that they had said about, like, Lance.

01:46:17.000 You know, like Lance Armstrong getting tested for Tour de France.

01:46:21.000 Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

01:46:22.000 Fucking everybody's on it.

01:46:24.000 You got a dirty sport, man.

01:46:26.000 Like, if you want to take away Lance Armstrong's, what is it, a green shirt or something like that?

01:46:30.000 What do you get?

01:46:31.000 Yellow jersey.

01:46:33.000 For being a bad motherfucker on a bike.

01:46:34.000 If you want to give it to the next person in line, it was like 18th place.

01:46:38.000 It was like 26 or something.

01:46:40.000 It was something fucking astronomical.

01:46:43.000 Bill Burr had a great bit about it.

01:46:45.000 He's like, our psycho's better than your psycho.

01:46:48.000 That's what it is.

01:46:48.000 You're all a bunch of fucking nuts.

01:46:50.000 You're all taking drugs.

01:46:52.000 From the Russian perspective, those gold medals were worth it to them to fucking ruin that guy's life for lying about it, right?

01:47:00.000 Yes.

01:47:01.000 Well, they wanted to kill him.

01:47:02.000 For sure.

01:47:03.000 They wanted to kill Rigorov, whatever his name is, the Russian scientist.

01:47:07.000 They wanted to kill him.

01:47:08.000 That's why he's hiding.

01:47:10.000 He's probably going to have to hide for the rest of his life.

01:47:12.000 I mean, this is just the life he chose.

01:47:16.000 Terrifying, man.

01:47:17.000 Just really terrifying.

01:47:19.000 But also the same thing that happened in China, Beijing Olympics.

01:47:21.000 Chinese won, like, they won so many gold medals.

01:47:24.000 Yeah, wasn't it like the little tiny gymnastic girls were on juice or something?

01:47:29.000 I'm sure they were on juice.

01:47:32.000 All the ballerina chicks, like the walking on the beam.

01:47:37.000 Can you imagine juicing up a little baby?

01:47:39.000 Like, you're going to do the best backflips, honey.

01:47:41.000 Take a little of this Anadrol 50. Get a big ol' fuckin'...

01:47:47.000 We're gonna band your feet up really small and lose all your toes so that you can stand on your toe better, you know, from birth.

01:47:53.000 Did they do that?

01:47:54.000 They had, yeah, there used to be a thing like, uh...

01:47:57.000 China would, they would...

01:47:58.000 Take babies and when they're females and baby or whatever, they would like tie their feet up really tight so their feet would not grow and they'd be really small.

01:48:06.000 Yeah, but that was just for aesthetics, right?

01:48:08.000 It was like a sign of something.

01:48:11.000 Yeah, like you have little feet.

01:48:12.000 The old women can't walk because their feet are tiny because whatever.

01:48:16.000 Have you ever seen the images of the feet when they bind them?

01:48:19.000 Well, you're about to.

01:48:20.000 I'm sure I have.

01:48:20.000 Jamie?

01:48:22.000 Chinese foot bonding.

01:48:24.000 It's like, people do weird shit, man.

01:48:27.000 Like, I have friends who have those big ear holes.

01:48:29.000 Like, that's okay.

01:48:31.000 Shout out to Boogie, my friend Richie Martinez.

01:48:33.000 He's got big old ear holes.

01:48:35.000 I had a student at the gym that...

01:48:37.000 I'm like, bro, you can't spar with that.

01:48:38.000 You're not going to be able to fight like that.

01:48:40.000 He's like, no, it's cool.

01:48:40.000 And he would take the big hole and flip it over the top.

01:48:44.000 Oh, my God.

01:48:46.000 And I'm like, all right, you can spar.

01:48:47.000 Look at that lady's feet.

01:48:48.000 You look terrible.

01:48:49.000 Bro.

01:48:50.000 Look how her toes are tucked under her feet.

01:48:53.000 So her little toe is tucked under and she stands on her toenail and it's dug into a groove in her foot.

01:49:02.000 Just goes to show you how flexible people are, pliable.

01:49:05.000 Like look at her.

01:49:05.000 There's her standing around with her husband.

01:49:07.000 He's like, still too big.

01:49:10.000 Look at that.

01:49:10.000 That's so nasty.

01:49:12.000 Look at her feet, man.

01:49:14.000 That's a little shoes for her.

01:49:16.000 Go back to that other picture of her with her feet out.

01:49:18.000 That's crazy, man.

01:49:20.000 Imagine doing that to yourself.

01:49:22.000 That has to hurt like hell.

01:49:24.000 She's looking down on him.

01:49:26.000 Yeah, and they hurt like hell for years.

01:49:30.000 Forever.

01:49:31.000 Well, yeah.

01:49:32.000 Just the process.

01:49:33.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:34.000 To get to that?

01:49:35.000 To get to that, yeah.

01:49:36.000 Well, it's crazy.

01:49:37.000 It's absolutely crazy that they do that.

01:49:39.000 And look at those little tiny shoes that she's wearing.

01:49:41.000 I mean, it is absolutely crazy, but it's almost crazier what they used to do to heads.

01:49:45.000 Like in ancient cultures where they would flatten heads out to make them look like aliens and stretch them out.

01:49:51.000 Ever seen any of that?

01:49:51.000 While they were alive?

01:49:52.000 Yeah, when they were young.

01:49:54.000 They would take babies.

01:49:55.000 And while the children were young, and this is a really freaky thing, when they started finding these skulls, they're like, what are we looking at?

01:50:02.000 Are these aliens?

01:50:03.000 They were trying to figure it out, because your skull is a lot more pliable than you think, especially when you're young.

01:50:09.000 Yeah, the baby is really soft.

01:50:11.000 So they developed this thing where they would put planks on the side of the kid's head and fucking clamp it down, and they would stretch their head out.

01:50:21.000 Like an alien.

01:50:22.000 Because it's like nobility to have a large skull or something.

01:50:24.000 I don't know, man.

01:50:25.000 I think it's...

01:50:26.000 I don't know.

01:50:27.000 In Africa, they put those weighted rings around the women's neck, and then it looks like their neck is really long, but really they just compress their shoulders down.

01:50:36.000 Yeah.

01:50:36.000 And it's super bad for the neck.

01:50:39.000 When you take that shit off, your head's going to fall off.

01:50:41.000 For sure.

01:50:41.000 That's holding your head up now.

01:50:43.000 For sure.

01:50:44.000 They probably snore terrible, too.

01:50:45.000 Right?

01:50:46.000 Yeah.

01:50:47.000 All those rings.

01:50:48.000 You got anything for me?

01:50:50.000 The article said that the reason why they did that was similar to the reason Victorian women would do the waist stuff.

01:50:57.000 It was like a status symbol.

01:50:59.000 So like three inches was the best for feet.

01:51:02.000 Four inches was a little better.

01:51:03.000 Five inches and above was like, ah.

01:51:05.000 Look at that waist.

01:51:06.000 That's so gross.

01:51:08.000 And wasn't there another time, I think maybe it was before this, where being fat was a sign of nobility or whatever.

01:51:15.000 Yeah, man.

01:51:15.000 If you were fat, you were like, fat chicks were the thing, because it showed you had money.

01:51:20.000 Yep.

01:51:20.000 When I was in Thailand, the guys would always wear white powder all over their face, like bleaching powder, because if...

01:51:30.000 If you were too tan, then it showed that you were like a worker and you worked outside, so everybody would always try to bleach their skin white.

01:51:37.000 It's crazy.

01:51:38.000 Yeah.

01:51:40.000 Oh, that's dark.

01:51:44.000 Yeah, I know.

01:51:45.000 They would always have like an umbrella.

01:51:47.000 They didn't want sun.

01:51:48.000 They're like hiding from the sun all the time.

01:51:49.000 They didn't want to get too dark.

01:51:50.000 Nurse Rachel, the Filipino lady, she was explaining that to us.

01:51:54.000 That's one of the reasons why people like glutathione.

01:51:57.000 Glutathione apparently can make your skin lighter in some doses.

01:52:03.000 What else is glutathione for?

01:52:05.000 Glutathione is something that helps you recover from alcohol.

01:52:09.000 It helps your body process alcohol a little bit better.

01:52:11.000 It's got a bunch of functions.

01:52:12.000 I'm the wrong person to ask.

01:52:14.000 It's real good for you.

01:52:16.000 You want a liposomal glutathione.

01:52:18.000 It's the best in terms of like, unless you get IV. You could take it as a supplement.

01:52:24.000 But it's good for, it actually helps you get over hangovers and shit.

01:52:29.000 Doesn't completely do it, but it gives you like a little extra boost.

01:52:32.000 So you get like the hotel room IV in Vegas, that's what they're giving you?

01:52:35.000 They're giving you glutathione if you ask for it.

01:52:37.000 Yeah, you should ask for it.

01:52:38.000 If you want to get one of them hotel IV jammies.

01:52:41.000 Jamie and I get one once a week.

01:52:43.000 Yeah, we get IV, vitamin drip, and we get NAD. It's NAD. NAD. Here we go, I'll fuck that up.

01:52:52.000 You think I fucked up that Gregorio guy?

01:52:54.000 Let me fuck up NAD for you.

01:52:59.000 What does it do?

01:53:00.000 It actually helps keep you younger and also keeps your body performing younger and maybe even lengthens your telomeres.

01:53:08.000 Telomeres which are an indication or an indicator of your age as your telomeres get as you get older they get smaller they get shorter and this stuff apparently can somehow or another lengthen it.

01:53:20.000 NAD has two general sets of reactions in the human body.

01:53:23.000 What does NAD stand for?

01:53:24.000 Does it say what it stands for?

01:53:28.000 It means something.

01:53:30.000 It's like short for...

01:53:31.000 Does it say?

01:53:34.000 What's that picture right there?

01:53:35.000 Yeah.

01:53:36.000 It doesn't?

01:53:37.000 Does it break down what those things are for?

01:53:40.000 I know it means something.

01:53:41.000 It has a name.

01:53:43.000 Can you Google what does NAD mean?

01:53:46.000 Oh, there it is.

01:53:48.000 Nicotinamide andinine dinucleotide.

01:53:52.000 That was pretty good.

01:53:54.000 I'm tired though now.

01:53:55.000 You read that way better than I would.

01:53:58.000 I used my monkey brain and now I'm tired.

01:54:02.000 Helps turning nutrients into energy as a key player in metabolism and working as a helper molecule for proteins that regulate other cellular functions.

01:54:10.000 This is like a normal thing that lots of people have or this is like a special Joe Rogan secret sauce?

01:54:14.000 You can get it.

01:54:15.000 They sell it.

01:54:16.000 People can get it.

01:54:17.000 It's not cheap, but it's very good for you.

01:54:19.000 You feel great.

01:54:20.000 Yeah.

01:54:21.000 Yeah.

01:54:22.000 It's just I'm getting old and I'm willing to try anything.

01:54:29.000 When you're like 52 and you still like working out, you're like, okay, what do I have to do?

01:54:33.000 What else you got?

01:54:34.000 What do I have to do?

01:54:35.000 What's the new-new?

01:54:36.000 Yeah.

01:54:36.000 And I'm only willing to do so much because if they're like, well, you got to drink water and no more alcohol forever, I'm like, huh.

01:54:42.000 Or what's the other option?

01:54:44.000 I live less, but I enjoy it more.

01:54:47.000 You drink a little more water and you can still drink alcohol.

01:54:50.000 I have a complex life.

01:54:52.000 I need a little booze every now and then.

01:54:53.000 I really do.

01:54:54.000 I need a break.

01:54:55.000 I need a break.

01:54:56.000 I need a break from responsibilities.

01:54:57.000 I need a break from anxiety.

01:54:59.000 I need a break from just thinking, from people's opinions, from war, from chaos, from arguments.

01:55:07.000 I mean, it's crazy times right now.

01:55:08.000 If I couldn't just smoke a joint, drink a beer, let it all sink in, you know?

01:55:14.000 The people that don't are fascinating.

01:55:16.000 Like, what are you doing with all of that?

01:55:18.000 Right?

01:55:19.000 Yeah.

01:55:21.000 How?

01:55:21.000 Enlighten me.

01:55:22.000 What are you doing?

01:55:24.000 Started getting into.

01:55:25.000 I've got something here.

01:55:29.000 I've got something here.

01:55:30.000 What do you got there, Joseph?

01:55:32.000 This book that I've been reading.

01:55:33.000 It's called Breath.

01:55:36.000 It's by this guy James Nestor.

01:55:38.000 Fascinating shit on the importance of breathing exercises.

01:55:43.000 Really fascinating.

01:55:45.000 Really fascinating.

01:55:48.000 Breathing exercises for what?

01:55:51.000 For all sorts of things.

01:55:52.000 Well, you know, it's one of the things that Wim Hof has always said about breathing exercises, that you actually can enhance your immune system and, thank you, sir, regulate your metabolism.

01:56:01.000 This guy's an upcoming guest, so I just got into it last night.

01:56:05.000 But I'm fucking loving it.

01:56:06.000 Oh, yeah?

01:56:07.000 What'd you read about me before I came on?

01:56:09.000 I didn't read that you had a boxing career.

01:56:10.000 Oh, there you go.

01:56:13.000 I know you, man.

01:56:13.000 I don't have to read about you.

01:56:14.000 It only took us five podcasts to get there.

01:56:16.000 I know, right?

01:56:18.000 I knew about your fights.

01:56:19.000 I'm pushing for the record.

01:56:20.000 Are you able to fully train right now?

01:56:24.000 What is the rules?

01:56:26.000 Not really.

01:56:27.000 Not really, right?

01:56:28.000 My gym just opened back up.

01:56:30.000 Does everybody have to distance?

01:56:32.000 Hit a bag six feet apart from each other?

01:56:34.000 I think if you probably came in with a measuring tape, 90% of the time we are within that.

01:56:39.000 My gym is about 7,000 square feet and the average class is about 12 people in it.

01:56:45.000 Okay, so you've got a nice piece of property there.

01:56:47.000 And we have a huge roll-up door, so it's almost open air with the fans going and stuff.

01:56:50.000 But we take everybody's temperature before they come in.

01:56:55.000 We're not actually sparring or anything like that.

01:56:57.000 Yeah, a lot of gyms are starting to open up now and just kickboxing or shadowboxing and hitting the bags and things along those lines.

01:57:05.000 But it's been great for me getting back because I was starting to lose it there, I think, sometimes.

01:57:11.000 I'm stuck at home.

01:57:13.000 Were you working out at home?

01:57:14.000 I built a home gym and I was doing my thing and I was trying to run and stuff, but it's just not the same.

01:57:19.000 And then the students start coming back and You don't see how bad they were when they came back mentally, but you see over the course of like a week or two of them working out every day how much more they open up, how much more normal they seem, how much happier they are.

01:57:34.000 And then they start letting the hat out of the bag like, man, I was in a dark spot.

01:57:38.000 I've been having an absolute blast.

01:57:40.000 We have four classes a day.

01:57:41.000 I'm teaching all the classes right now, and I'm loving it.

01:57:44.000 I think that's a lot.

01:57:45.000 That's beautiful.

01:57:46.000 I'm happy to hear that, and I'm happy to hear you're able to open again.

01:57:49.000 I think that's awesome.

01:57:51.000 That dark shit is no joke, man.

01:57:53.000 It's no joke.

01:57:54.000 Depression is a real fucking thing.

01:57:56.000 It's a big part of why people are so angry right now.

01:57:58.000 Right.

01:57:59.000 Because, you know, there's a lot of people out there that, you know, maybe they do spin or maybe they do whatever the fuck they've been doing.

01:58:04.000 They can't do it right now.

01:58:05.000 They can't do any of it.

01:58:07.000 And there's so many people that are losing their livelihood.

01:58:10.000 I think there's a lot of people that live corporate life or have normal jobs, and I'm not talking shit about that, but put yourself in someone's shoe.

01:58:19.000 They invested everything they owned, everything they had.

01:58:22.000 They put in all their work following this American dream, this dream, this whatever dream.

01:58:27.000 And for 14 years, 15 years, they invest everything in, and then this weird flu comes along and they can't do their business anymore.

01:58:34.000 Through no fault of their own.

01:58:35.000 Through no fault of their own.

01:58:36.000 And it's like, well, they should have had some money pushed aside or saved aside or whatever.

01:58:41.000 How come these giant, these airplane companies that have been making billions of dollars for years and years on end, they get a bailout?

01:58:49.000 Right.

01:58:49.000 They get the bailout.

01:58:50.000 But Lolita's fucking whatever fucked.

01:58:54.000 Well, the dirty secret is if they don't bail out the airlines...

01:59:00.000 The aliens are not gonna employ all those people, and then everyone's fucked even further.

01:59:03.000 So they look at that like, this is something we need, because we need it for business, we need it for people to be able to travel around, we need these planes running, we're not gonna be able to do it ourselves.

01:59:11.000 But the dirty secret is there's not enough money to fix everything.

01:59:14.000 There's not enough money to pay all the people, all the money that we're making during the time off.

01:59:18.000 And then my my uh shout out to my boy john thomas in ohio my buddy i went to high school with back in ohio he has a couple uh pizzerias and i think they're oh they're allowed to open back up now but his employees a lot of his employees aren't coming back to work because they make more money on unemployment than they ever did before and they have an excuse if they make more money on unemployment than they were actually earning working there and they don't have to go back to work because they could say they're scared of covid It's fucked.

01:59:45.000 Listen, I get it.

01:59:46.000 If I was one of those dudes, I'd be like, hey man, I don't want to die from cooking pizza, bitch.

01:59:49.000 I get it.

01:59:50.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:59:51.000 I don't want to get a...

01:59:52.000 Especially if you're a fat guy, and you're like, I could just hang out at home and play Call of Duty and get paid more?

01:59:59.000 Or risk my life to make pizza?

02:00:02.000 Fuck outta here.

02:00:03.000 I still just can't wrap my brain around people still buying into all this shit.

02:00:06.000 It is the fucking flu.

02:00:07.000 People die of the flu every year.

02:00:09.000 A lot of them die of the flu.

02:00:10.000 Our friend Eve Edwards was sick as fuck.

02:00:13.000 Was sick for like weeks at a time in and out of the hospital.

02:00:16.000 This is back in like December.

02:00:17.000 Now you're either telling me that COVID-19 was here before that or it's the flu.

02:00:21.000 But now when you get Now it's COVID-19, but then it was the flu.

02:00:26.000 My other friend was super sick.

02:00:28.000 They test his antibodies, though.

02:00:29.000 They test.

02:00:30.000 That's how they find out.

02:00:31.000 They do an antibody test.

02:00:32.000 And then they say, oh, you did have COVID-19.

02:00:34.000 But, look, I had a buddy of mine who came in here who was fucking convinced.

02:00:38.000 He's like, I know I had it.

02:00:39.000 I was so sick.

02:00:41.000 Nothing.

02:00:42.000 Nothing.

02:00:42.000 He was like, what?

02:00:44.000 Or maybe he had a bad test.

02:00:45.000 He spread the other one.

02:00:46.000 Did you see the...

02:00:47.000 I'm going ham on this.

02:00:49.000 Could be.

02:00:49.000 Did you see the guy in Tanzania?

02:00:52.000 It's like the president of Tanzania.

02:00:54.000 No.

02:00:54.000 What did he do?

02:00:55.000 Oh, it's so good.

02:00:55.000 Jamie, you should look this up.

02:00:58.000 What did he do?

02:00:59.000 It's probably too long.

02:00:59.000 He's like the president of Tanzania and like Africa, right?

02:01:02.000 And it's got like super thick accent.

02:01:05.000 And he said, you know, something's going on here, people.

02:01:07.000 They sent us the COVID tests and...

02:01:12.000 We tested, we took 10 tests or however many tests and I took the dragon fruit and we tested the inside of the dragon fruit and we wrote Charles whatever and we tested it off and it was inconclusive and we took a goat And I tested the goat and I wrote his name was Sandra and she's 30 years old and works whatever and we tested her and she was positive.

02:01:34.000 And then I did another one with a chicken and it came back positive and did another one with a whatever and he tested all this random stupid shit and got like positive, positive, inconclusive.

02:01:45.000 Well inconclusive makes sense if you're testing fruit and positive might make sense if it's really contagious to animals.

02:01:53.000 If you're in an area that has a high concentration of people that have the disease, you just think it's just totally a scam.

02:02:00.000 It's a fucking scratch ticket.

02:02:01.000 There's no way.

02:02:02.000 Guys, stop buying this bullshit.

02:02:05.000 This is bullshit.

02:02:08.000 What do you think those people are dying of?

02:02:09.000 Is this another cold?

02:02:10.000 I think it's a real bad flu, and it's flu season.

02:02:12.000 People are getting sick.

02:02:14.000 But you know that, but COVID-19, the thing, is a real thing.

02:02:17.000 I know it's a real thing.

02:02:17.000 Okay.

02:02:18.000 I know that's a real thing.

02:02:18.000 So you know these people are dying in a way that's not consistent with dying from the flu, right?

02:02:22.000 Some of them are dying in real weird ways.

02:02:25.000 Yeah.

02:02:26.000 Maybe.

02:02:26.000 It's real.

02:02:27.000 It's real.

02:02:28.000 I'm not...

02:02:28.000 I know what you're saying.

02:02:29.000 It's real.

02:02:30.000 You're fucking around in a little bit of a way.

02:02:31.000 I'm a little bit fucking around, and I'm a little bit...

02:02:33.000 But you're a little bit like, this is not that much different from the flu that we should have killed our society.

02:02:39.000 We killed the world's whole economy.

02:02:41.000 Yeah.

02:02:42.000 The fucking whole world over a thing that kills less than 1% of people.

02:02:47.000 Right.

02:02:47.000 And how do we get it back?

02:02:49.000 How do we get the world back?

02:02:50.000 How do we get it back to normal?

02:02:51.000 No one knows.

02:02:52.000 There's no road map.

02:02:53.000 No clue.

02:02:53.000 No one.

02:02:54.000 No clue.

02:02:54.000 And here's the thing, though.

02:02:56.000 This is one thing in support of those hardcore business folks.

02:03:01.000 They're the ones who want this shit back to normal more than anybody, right?

02:03:06.000 They're in deep shit right now.

02:03:07.000 That's why the economy's still doing so well.

02:03:10.000 That shows you how bullshit the economy is.

02:03:13.000 The stock market is doing great.

02:03:17.000 The stock market, there's days where the stock market's up.

02:03:20.000 I'm like, how?

02:03:21.000 Well, show me your math.

02:03:23.000 How is your stock market up?

02:03:24.000 There's so much fuckery going on.

02:03:26.000 And then it's like we're supposed to trust the who, right?

02:03:28.000 And the who says one thing and then the next day they say something else.

02:03:30.000 Well, first of all, let's call it the World Health Organization because the who is awesome.

02:03:33.000 Right, right, right.

02:03:34.000 You know?

02:03:35.000 Who are you?

02:03:37.000 Who, who, who, who?

02:03:39.000 Come on, man.

02:03:40.000 I'm a child of the 80s.

02:03:41.000 The Who is...

02:03:42.000 I'm with you.

02:03:42.000 They were kings.

02:03:43.000 The World Health Organization.

02:03:45.000 Fauci.

02:03:46.000 Yes.

02:03:46.000 Those people.

02:03:47.000 Well, the saddest one was when he said that the only reason he told people not to wear masks is because we didn't have any.

02:03:54.000 You really should wear them.

02:03:55.000 How about the time he told them...

02:03:56.000 Well, then like a week later or a week after or before, he's like, oh, well, you know, masks don't actually work, but it just shows solidarity and it's a sign that we should do this.

02:04:06.000 And I'm like, what?

02:04:07.000 And then the other chick does...

02:04:09.000 90% of...

02:04:11.000 Half of all positive tests are false positives.

02:04:15.000 And this is normal.

02:04:16.000 Like, it's so much fuckery going on.

02:04:18.000 So much fuckery.

02:04:20.000 It's also they're learning on the job.

02:04:21.000 You know, they're trying to figure out what this thing is and isn't on the job.

02:04:25.000 And they can't just be honest.

02:04:28.000 You know, and say, you know, we made some mistakes.

02:04:31.000 This is what we thought.

02:04:32.000 Now we think differently.

02:04:34.000 But people died.

02:04:35.000 Sorry.

02:04:36.000 You know, they can't say that.

02:04:38.000 People died in nursing homes that our government made them take sick people, whether it was the flu or whatever.

02:04:45.000 Not our government.

02:04:45.000 New York, right?

02:04:46.000 New York.

02:04:47.000 That's a dark choice, man.

02:04:49.000 And then Cuomo's brother is on CNN, like, I'm locking myself in my basement for 15 days and he gets caught.

02:04:55.000 Come on!

02:04:56.000 Your whole family, bro.

02:04:57.000 Well, not only did he get caught, but he also did a video of him coming out of the basement for the first time.

02:05:03.000 Yeah.

02:05:03.000 That's the worst thing of getting caught.

02:05:05.000 That was like you planted and made this fake scenario and your family's supposed to be all shocked when you come out of the basement for the first time in 14 days.

02:05:14.000 Fuck off.

02:05:15.000 I agree with you.

02:05:16.000 Fuck off.

02:05:17.000 That said, I've worked in television, and I guarantee you that was a producer's decision.

02:05:21.000 That was some network executive that wanted a video of him coming out, and they had already got it planned, and he just fucking jetted over to the Hamptons, check out a spot where he's going to build his dope house, and then came back and was like, okay, we're doing it.

02:05:35.000 I'm coming out of the basement.

02:05:36.000 Everybody knows.

02:05:37.000 I got in a fight with a guy on a bike.

02:05:39.000 Is that okay still?

02:05:40.000 Don't call me Fredo!

02:05:42.000 And so he goes up the stairs like, here I am!

02:05:44.000 Look at this!

02:05:46.000 I made it out of the basement!

02:05:48.000 I feel for him in that situation.

02:05:50.000 I feel for him because I guarantee you that was some jackass from the network that had this idea to have him come out of the basement and some sort of theatrical thing.

02:06:00.000 You were just deceitful or sneaky or whatever word it is to all of the viewers on TV. I don't feel bad for him.

02:06:07.000 You intentionally just tricked everybody on some fake shit.

02:06:10.000 They didn't have to do that.

02:06:11.000 They didn't have to do that.

02:06:13.000 Well, that's why podcasts work.

02:06:15.000 Because nobody's doing that kind of shit on podcasts.

02:06:18.000 They realize you don't have to.

02:06:19.000 You don't have to pretend.

02:06:21.000 Just say, yeah, I went to the Hamptons.

02:06:23.000 Probably shouldn't, but I stayed away from everybody.

02:06:25.000 My wife's already around me anyway.

02:06:27.000 And then some dude on a bike just came by and he was being a dick.

02:06:30.000 I was like, yeah, bro.

02:06:31.000 I'm just looking at my house spot.

02:06:33.000 I'm building a dope house, you bike-riding dick fuck.

02:06:35.000 If I survive this fake COVID shit, I'm going to fucking live right next door to you.

02:06:40.000 He was, you know, he was an interesting case, too.

02:06:43.000 Apparently he was saying at nighttime it gets really bad.

02:06:45.000 But when he was on television, he looked great.

02:06:47.000 Like, yeah, it's bad at night.

02:06:48.000 Okay.

02:06:49.000 How about you go to bed earlier?

02:06:51.000 We don't really have it, but it's part of my thing.

02:06:54.000 Are you taking vitamins?

02:06:55.000 How come nobody said that, right?

02:06:57.000 Bro, how come that?

02:06:59.000 We've closed down gyms.

02:07:00.000 Nobody has talked about food, about the immune system, none of that.

02:07:04.000 That Dr. Shiva guy was saying a lot of cool stuff, but nobody's saying it, so it must be something weird going on there.

02:07:09.000 I don't know.

02:07:10.000 Yeah, he's a weird one.

02:07:11.000 I don't know if he's telling the truth or what the deal is.

02:07:14.000 I started like, some of the stuff doesn't make sense, and then it was like, you're obviously running for some kind of office or whatever.

02:07:19.000 Very smart, that's for sure.

02:07:21.000 Smart dude.

02:07:21.000 Very intelligent guy.

02:07:23.000 But, you know, if you're a person that questions any aspect of COVID, you're immediately pushed into this area of someone who can't be trusted, can't listen to them, gotta silence them.

02:07:35.000 You're a conspiracy theorist.

02:07:35.000 Dude, they were saying that about Elon.

02:07:38.000 The Elon podcast never trended.

02:07:42.000 I'm not asking...

02:07:44.000 I don't give a fuck.

02:07:45.000 If it trends, if it doesn't...

02:07:46.000 I appreciate YouTube.

02:07:47.000 I appreciate this platform.

02:07:49.000 I really do.

02:07:50.000 I really do.

02:07:51.000 But I think...

02:07:53.000 When something gets 11 million downloads in a day, and there's a bunch of other videos that don't get nearly as much, but that one's not trending.

02:08:00.000 Why isn't it trending?

02:08:01.000 And how much that has to do with his opinions on things that aren't sanctioned.

02:08:06.000 And one of his opinions on things was the perspective on COVID, that keeping people locked up as a mandatory thing.

02:08:14.000 That is not good.

02:08:15.000 It's not what this country was founded on.

02:08:18.000 And we should quarantine people who are sick.

02:08:20.000 And he's smart as fuck.

02:08:22.000 And he made a lot of sense.

02:08:23.000 And people don't want to hear that because they want to hear Fauci tell you, wear a mask or don't wear a mask.

02:08:28.000 I mean, these people are health experts.

02:08:32.000 But we've proven that they've been wrong about multiple things.

02:08:36.000 Just in the two months they have been wrong and they have proven that they've been wrong in multiple things continuously.

02:08:43.000 Right, but if you have a video with Fauci and it gets 11 million views, that motherfucker will trend.

02:08:49.000 Guarantee.

02:08:50.000 I guarantee you.

02:08:52.000 You can't do that.

02:08:54.000 You shouldn't do that.

02:08:55.000 I shouldn't say you can't do that, because you obviously can and you did.

02:08:57.000 But you shouldn't do that, because it's not good.

02:08:59.000 The best way to figure out who's right, when someone, especially in retrospect, you know, hindsight's 20-20, but we're looking back three months at all the times and things that were wrong, all the mistakes that were made.

02:09:09.000 In January, the World Health Organization literally said it can't be transmitted from person to person according to China.

02:09:15.000 That's what they literally said.

02:09:16.000 They put it out on a tweet.

02:09:17.000 Okay?

02:09:18.000 Give them that.

02:09:19.000 Everybody made mistakes.

02:09:20.000 But because of that, you can't silence people who have contrary opinions.

02:09:27.000 Because of the fact that you have all these people that are experts in their field that have made mistakes, You cannot discount someone who's clearly a fucking super genius who's also looking at this from an additional perspective.

02:09:43.000 Here's another perspective.

02:09:45.000 Why don't we just quarantine the people that are at risk?

02:09:48.000 Why don't we quarantine people who are overweight instead of the whole population?

02:09:53.000 Then, step two, let's figure out what the fuck this is and how to take care of it and take care of everybody.

02:09:58.000 But give people the opportunity if they choose to take a risk.

02:10:01.000 To take the risk.

02:10:02.000 You can't force them to tank their business.

02:10:05.000 I mean, maybe the hindsight is 20-20, but that sounds like a logical thing that should have been said from the jump.

02:10:10.000 Why do we have to make that a huge mistake?

02:10:13.000 This is why.

02:10:13.000 Because we thought it was going to be way worse.

02:10:15.000 We thought it was going to be worse than it is.

02:10:17.000 We thought it was going to burn through the population and kill 10% of everyone.

02:10:20.000 Sometimes those things happen, and sometimes they morph, right?

02:10:24.000 They evolve.

02:10:25.000 Viruses can change.

02:10:26.000 They can change as they're going from person to person, and they really believe that the virus that we got on the West Coast here is actually lighter than the virus they got on the East Coast.

02:10:35.000 They think the virus that came from Europe is probably more deadly.

02:10:38.000 And the virus that came here.

02:10:39.000 Why?

02:10:40.000 I don't know.

02:10:40.000 But there's a bunch of other factors that they never take into consideration.

02:10:43.000 You never hear people talking about vitamin D, going outside, taking care of yourself.

02:10:48.000 Those people on the other side, man, those people on the west coast, the east coast rather, they don't get any sun.

02:10:54.000 Do you ever live in New York?

02:10:56.000 Bro.

02:10:57.000 Been there though.

02:10:58.000 But yeah, I get that.

02:10:59.000 It gets dreary.

02:11:00.000 And they're just like right on top of each other.

02:11:03.000 And every subway, everything.

02:11:05.000 Think about the subway rail when you walk up the stairs.

02:11:07.000 Oh, gross.

02:11:09.000 And also in those subways, everybody's breathing everybody else's air.

02:11:12.000 There's no way around it.

02:11:13.000 You have to breathe their air.

02:11:15.000 But the big thing, like, you know, I lived in Boston.

02:11:19.000 I lived in Newton when I was a kid.

02:11:22.000 And I remember Newton was a nice place.

02:11:25.000 Beautiful, beautiful neighborhood.

02:11:27.000 But I remember the winter time was so depressing.

02:11:30.000 Just look up at the sky and it was just gray.

02:11:32.000 You couldn't see anything.

02:11:34.000 You couldn't see any sun.

02:11:35.000 I mean, the sun came through the clouds, but you never saw a blue sky.

02:11:39.000 Like, for months at a time, it was just gray.

02:11:41.000 And everybody would get bummed out and people would get real shitty with each other.

02:11:45.000 Did you notice when the quarantine first happened, like the first two weeks, it was just draining all day, every day.

02:11:52.000 My backyard was flooding.

02:11:54.000 It was terrible.

02:11:55.000 And life is awful.

02:11:56.000 And then all of a sudden the sun came out.

02:11:58.000 And it was like, a couple days off.

02:11:59.000 It's not too bad, right?

02:12:01.000 Yeah, having a day off and it's raining sucks.

02:12:04.000 Awful.

02:12:04.000 Yeah.

02:12:05.000 Awful.

02:12:05.000 But not that bad for us.

02:12:08.000 Because at least we can say, oh, we need this rain.

02:12:11.000 Right.

02:12:12.000 Like, this is a good rest day.

02:12:13.000 We need this rain.

02:12:14.000 We're in a drought right now.

02:12:15.000 It's real bad.

02:12:16.000 But if you live in Seattle...

02:12:18.000 Every day.

02:12:19.000 Bro.

02:12:19.000 Every day.

02:12:20.000 Seattle, I love you people.

02:12:22.000 You guys are beautiful.

02:12:23.000 I love your attitude.

02:12:24.000 I don't like the Chaz situation.

02:12:26.000 I don't think that's wise.

02:12:27.000 But...

02:12:28.000 What's your thoughts on Chaz?

02:12:29.000 I just want to tell people in Seattle, get out.

02:12:32.000 Go.

02:12:33.000 Just go.

02:12:34.000 There's a reason why it's going crazy.

02:12:35.000 It's filled with homeless people.

02:12:36.000 Everyone's tired.

02:12:37.000 They're depressed.

02:12:38.000 You don't get any sunlight.

02:12:39.000 It's not good.

02:12:40.000 You need sunlight.

02:12:42.000 That shit's terrible for you.

02:12:44.000 My take on the Chaz situation is...

02:12:46.000 They're doing exact...

02:12:48.000 I was talking about it with Coleon Noir the other day.

02:12:51.000 They're doing exactly the same thing they get mad at when they think about a country.

02:12:54.000 They put up walls.

02:12:55.000 They have borders.

02:12:56.000 They have police and enforcement.

02:12:58.000 They beat the fuck out of people.

02:12:59.000 There's been murders inside.

02:13:01.000 It's not all kumbaya.

02:13:02.000 You know?

02:13:03.000 It's like...

02:13:04.000 You just made a shittier, smaller version of a city.

02:13:10.000 Of course you did.

02:13:11.000 Of course you did.

02:13:12.000 But it's got borders.

02:13:13.000 A regular city, you can just drive in at Albuquerque.

02:13:16.000 They let you in.

02:13:19.000 Jazz is like, fuck you.

02:13:21.000 We got border walls.

02:13:23.000 You can go to San Francisco and just drive in.

02:13:26.000 No one can come in here if we have a plastic barrier.

02:13:29.000 How crazy is that?

02:13:30.000 How did that happen?

02:13:31.000 They're LARPing.

02:13:31.000 How did that happen?

02:13:32.000 It's live action role-playing.

02:13:34.000 They're LARPing, for sure.

02:13:34.000 That's what it is.

02:13:35.000 For sure.

02:13:35.000 Yeah, I mean, that's what it is.

02:13:37.000 And they took over the city?

02:13:39.000 They took over the LARPers?

02:13:41.000 Well, they need to learn.

02:13:44.000 There's a thing that happens when a lot of these protesters get equated with progress.

02:13:50.000 Whether it's Antifa or any real Marxist, left-wing, progressive, socialist movement.

02:13:58.000 They have good intentions, right?

02:13:59.000 And they get lumped in with the idea of progress.

02:14:01.000 So people let them get away with stuff.

02:14:03.000 They think, oh, just...

02:14:06.000 It's going to work out.

02:14:08.000 It's going to work out.

02:14:08.000 But they don't have a real plan.

02:14:10.000 These folks don't have a long-term plan.

02:14:12.000 When Seattle gave them that, it's probably the most brilliant move ever.

02:14:16.000 Like, okay.

02:14:17.000 Oh, you think you can do better?

02:14:18.000 Why don't you go ahead?

02:14:20.000 It's like you have kids, right?

02:14:21.000 When your kid's like, I know how to tie my shoes.

02:14:23.000 It's like, okay.

02:14:23.000 I can tie your shoes.

02:14:25.000 You stand there for a minute.

02:14:26.000 You want some help?

02:14:27.000 I'll help you, because you don't know how to tie your shoes.

02:14:30.000 This is how you do it.

02:14:30.000 You make the bunny ears, you go through the loop.

02:14:33.000 But sometimes you have to let a kid, particularly boys, I have all girls, but I would imagine with boys, even more so, they get a little stubborn.

02:14:40.000 I fucking know what I'm doing, Dad.

02:14:42.000 And you gotta go, oh, okay, do you?

02:14:44.000 Okay, Chaz, good luck.

02:14:46.000 Good luck.

02:14:47.000 That was six blocks.

02:14:48.000 You guys had two murders inside of a fucking week.

02:14:51.000 I just don't understand how that happened.

02:14:53.000 I don't understand how the city just let it go.

02:14:55.000 I think it's like a publicity stunt.

02:14:57.000 I think the city is in charge of that.

02:15:00.000 There's a lot of them, man.

02:15:01.000 But they're not being overrun with guns and bombs and bullshit.

02:15:06.000 This is like, we're going to let these guys have it, and then we're going to let this fail.

02:15:11.000 I don't even know.

02:15:12.000 It just doesn't make any sense to me.

02:15:13.000 It seems like a joke.

02:15:14.000 If you talk to people, my friend Rob Wolf reached out to me because some folks from the Seattle Police Department reached out to him.

02:15:20.000 They're trying to get their message out.

02:15:21.000 They're trying to figure it out.

02:15:22.000 And essentially they were saying that the media is not telling the true story.

02:15:25.000 And that the true story is every time, like the media will show them tear gassing people.

02:15:30.000 They don't say that they had set up boundaries and they said, you got to stay out of the precinct.

02:15:34.000 You got to stay out of this area.

02:15:35.000 You guys, you can't just invade.

02:15:38.000 And every time they put up these boundaries, they would push through, and then they had to use tear gas they felt to defend their position, and then they eventually had to give up the whole precinct.

02:15:47.000 Then they had to give up like six blocks.

02:15:49.000 And they don't feel like there's a lot of support for their position in the news, and they also don't feel like they're being given the freedom to defend it Properly like they really they couldn't they had to get out of there That's why they took that's why those people took it That's why it's still locked down today and the mayor has been saying lately It's time to go home now,

02:16:10.000 but the mayor before gave a fucked up Answer of it like saying that peaceful protest has always been great.

02:16:16.000 Maybe this is the summer of love like oh, okay Good luck lady like these ideas they get connected with progress, right?

02:16:23.000 So those people who really want better, right?

02:16:25.000 They're angry that George Floyd got murdered, but we all are every Normal, rational persons angry.

02:16:30.000 They all want to fucking see change.

02:16:33.000 But we all do.

02:16:34.000 But they decided to see change in six blocks of Seattle that had nothing to do with George Floyd.

02:16:38.000 They just took over.

02:16:39.000 And they took over these buildings.

02:16:40.000 So they basically did what Columbus did.

02:16:42.000 They came and took over an area, but then they did what Trump did.

02:16:46.000 They put up a wall.

02:16:48.000 And then they did what those cops did.

02:16:49.000 They beat the fuck out of people.

02:16:51.000 I mean, they ruined their own idea within a couple of weeks.

02:16:55.000 So it really was like Seattle just going, Go ahead!

02:16:58.000 Oh, you know how to do better?

02:16:59.000 Oh, you're gonna do better?

02:17:01.000 Okay, go ahead.

02:17:03.000 And now they're like, it's time to go home.

02:17:04.000 But there's, you know, there's people in there that are armed.

02:17:08.000 It's not that simple.

02:17:10.000 I don't know how they think they're going to get these people out of there.

02:17:13.000 Because you can't even get homeless people out of San Francisco.

02:17:16.000 They've basically taken over Portland.

02:17:18.000 Portland's filled with tents.

02:17:19.000 San Francisco's nuts, man.

02:17:21.000 It's nuts.

02:17:22.000 You drive down the street in some neighborhoods in San Francisco, you see like multi-million dollar houses and there's five tents in front of the house.

02:17:30.000 You're like, what is this?

02:17:31.000 You can't litter.

02:17:32.000 You can't throw beer cans on the ground.

02:17:34.000 How come you can leave a tent and a fucking little camp stove and a cardboard box filled with bullshit?

02:17:40.000 And then everybody's just waiting for somebody else to come clean the tent out in front of their yard.

02:17:43.000 Everybody's waiting to fix the solution.

02:17:45.000 Joe, what would you do if there was three tents in front of your house?

02:17:47.000 That's a good question.

02:17:48.000 I don't know what I'd do.

02:17:48.000 I don't want to go to jail.

02:17:50.000 I don't want to go to jail, so I don't know.

02:17:51.000 Probably hire somebody to clean it up.

02:17:52.000 I don't know what to do.

02:17:54.000 I wouldn't know what to do.

02:17:55.000 What is the law?

02:17:56.000 Can my kid not play in the yard?

02:17:58.000 Because someone threw a fucking heroin needle in the yard, and he's got a tent right there, and if you're in Venice, and you got this little tiny patch of grass where your kid can play, and your kid runs into a heroin needle that someone chucked over the fence...

02:18:11.000 But we have to be progressive.

02:18:13.000 We have to be nice.

02:18:14.000 And people equate...

02:18:15.000 No, bro, you go knock on the tent.

02:18:16.000 Hey, man, you can't have your tent here.

02:18:18.000 Get the fuck out.

02:18:19.000 I'll fucking do what I want, bro!

02:18:21.000 No, no, I actually won't.

02:18:22.000 You're gonna get the fuck out.

02:18:23.000 You're gonna get the fuck out.

02:18:25.000 Listen, man!

02:18:25.000 Nope, gotta go.

02:18:26.000 I'm a crack baby!

02:18:28.000 All right.

02:18:29.000 Later.

02:18:30.000 You gotta go.

02:18:31.000 I'm looking at Seattle News.

02:18:32.000 They said they're gonna leave today.

02:18:35.000 There's like an official Capitol Hill occupied a protest zone that says it's concluded as of tonight.

02:18:40.000 And they expect some people to not actually leave, but they're saying it's over.

02:18:44.000 See, I think somebody else funded that.

02:18:46.000 I think that was a big joke.

02:18:48.000 Who do you think funded it?

02:18:49.000 I don't know.

02:18:50.000 Probably somebody in a deep state or whatever.

02:18:54.000 The guys that fund all the other stuff think it was crazy, right?

02:18:56.000 The guys who throw Epstein witnesses out of buildings.

02:18:59.000 Right.

02:18:59.000 How does that money go around?

02:19:01.000 Who gets it?

02:19:02.000 It goes in Bitcoin.

02:19:04.000 They buy tacos with it.

02:19:05.000 I don't know.

02:19:05.000 I think people are funding it and...

02:19:09.000 I don't know.

02:19:10.000 There's so much shit going on.

02:19:11.000 I can't just blindly believe any of these narratives anymore.

02:19:15.000 It's just beyond to me.

02:19:17.000 It would be crazy if we found out there was some sort of a weird ulterior motive for letting them take over and that this has all been planned out in some sort of a strange way.

02:19:26.000 Some people think that this civil unrest and that even encouraging the spread of corona by letting people protest and not doing anything to stop it is actually some sort of a nefarious attempt to make sure that all the elections are mail-in ballots so they can monkey with them.

02:19:43.000 It does make sense if I was writing a Tom Clancy novel.

02:19:49.000 Yeah.

02:19:50.000 Right?

02:19:51.000 That makes sense.

02:19:52.000 I don't know if it's true though.

02:19:54.000 Dude, I can barely pay attention to shit I do.

02:19:57.000 Yeah.

02:19:57.000 My left switch kick's terrible.

02:19:59.000 Really?

02:20:00.000 Yeah, so much fat.

02:20:00.000 I got you, bro.

02:20:01.000 It moves too slow.

02:20:02.000 I got you, bro.

02:20:03.000 It's not too much of a weird, come off balance.

02:20:05.000 I'm concentrating on that.

02:20:06.000 I can't be concentrating on Chaz.

02:20:08.000 I like to step up over the switch.

02:20:09.000 We can work on that.

02:20:10.000 I'll tell you what, I'll show you that.

02:20:11.000 Why do you like to step up over the switch?

02:20:13.000 Because if we do the switch kick...

02:20:16.000 You're staring at me.

02:20:17.000 Scary time.

02:20:18.000 I'm staring at you.

02:20:19.000 We're about to fucking whatever.

02:20:20.000 And then you see me jump and switch my feet.

02:20:23.000 Right.

02:20:24.000 You know that something's coming.

02:20:25.000 You know it's coming.

02:20:25.000 But if I just step forward with my right foot, even if you tried to back up, I can make the adjustment because my foot is stepping.

02:20:31.000 Okay.

02:20:32.000 That makes sense.

02:20:33.000 That makes sense.

02:20:34.000 Kevin Ross doesn't even switch.

02:20:36.000 But once I jump to switch, I'm stuck in that position.

02:20:39.000 Now I have to take an additional step if you back up.

02:20:41.000 But if I just walk forward and you move backwards, I can adjust my foot.

02:20:46.000 Some guys don't like to switch, right?

02:20:48.000 Some guys just blast it right from the front leg.

02:20:51.000 Kevin kind of does that a little bit.

02:20:52.000 I do that as well.

02:20:52.000 It just depends on the distance.

02:20:54.000 If the person's coming to me, then I can do that.

02:20:56.000 Right, and if they're moving away, then I walk.

02:20:59.000 Makes sense.

02:21:01.000 What do you think about the low calf kick?

02:21:03.000 How crazy is that that's become so popular?

02:21:05.000 It wasn't like a thing, and then all of a sudden it's a thing.

02:21:07.000 It's like the best thing.

02:21:08.000 It's like a really effective thing.

02:21:10.000 My training partner, Bamba, we both had a—both of our last fights were on the same card, and that was like his thing.

02:21:18.000 He was like, I'm going to kick him in the calf, I'm going to kick him in the calf, I'm going to kick him in the calf.

02:21:21.000 And then he kicked me in the calf while we were sparring.

02:21:23.000 And I'm like, hey, bro, like, fucking don't do that.

02:21:25.000 Like, don't do that.

02:21:26.000 Like, stop doing that.

02:21:28.000 You know, my fucking shit.

02:21:29.000 It could ruin your shit.

02:21:30.000 Yeah, it'll really fuck you up.

02:21:31.000 It's not like a thigh kick where you can, like, catch a medium one and you're okay.

02:21:35.000 If somebody really slams into your calf, you're fucked.

02:21:38.000 And it happens by just being lazy with your block.

02:21:42.000 If you block correctly, it's fine.

02:21:44.000 But especially in a sparring situation, you're lazy with your block.

02:21:48.000 And then it hits that side of that calf, and it's a different bulging.

02:21:51.000 It fucks it up for a long time, too.

02:21:53.000 The nerve.

02:21:54.000 It's a weird feeling, right?

02:21:55.000 Yeah.

02:21:56.000 Sucks.

02:21:56.000 It's like...

02:21:57.000 Well, you saw the Michael Chandler one where his whole foot went numb.

02:22:00.000 That was insane.

02:22:01.000 Henry Cejudo versus Mighty Mouse, too.

02:22:02.000 The second fight, same thing.

02:22:04.000 Yeah, it shuts your foot off.

02:22:06.000 It's nuts.

02:22:09.000 And there's not much you can do about that.

02:22:11.000 He's a beast, huh?

02:22:12.000 Dude.

02:22:13.000 He's up there, too.

02:22:14.000 Undeniable.

02:22:15.000 He's up there.

02:22:15.000 I mean, you want to talk about some of the greats.

02:22:17.000 The guy's an Olympic gold medalist in wrestling, and then two-division UFC world champion.

02:22:23.000 And then smashed Dominick Cruz, smashed TJ Dillashaw, smashed Marlon Marais.

02:22:30.000 And a juiced up TJ Dillashaw.

02:22:32.000 EPO'd.

02:22:33.000 But starving to death.

02:22:35.000 Really, the EPO was just keeping him alive.

02:22:37.000 Bro, he looked worse on weigh-in day than anyone I've ever seen ever.

02:22:42.000 Next to Travis Luter.

02:22:43.000 But Travis Luter was just trying to dehydrate too much in one day.

02:22:47.000 TJ had eaten himself down to nothing.

02:22:50.000 And then dehydrated.

02:22:51.000 And then dehydrated himself.

02:22:52.000 He had eaten himself down to nothing.

02:22:54.000 Like, he let his body eat itself.

02:22:56.000 His cheeks were completely sunken in.

02:22:58.000 He looked like he was...

02:22:59.000 He was found in the woods.

02:23:02.000 That was for $35, right?

02:23:03.000 $25.

02:23:04.000 $25.

02:23:06.000 Yeah, so he was the 35-pound champion, went down to 25. He said he took EPO just to be able to train.

02:23:13.000 He couldn't do anything.

02:23:14.000 But, you know, it's hard to tell.

02:23:17.000 The alpha male guys are like, fuck you, you did.

02:23:19.000 Like, Cody Garbrandt in a press conference was saying, bro, you were always taking that shit.

02:23:25.000 So he didn't say it.

02:23:26.000 It's one of those things where it's like, when you get caught with something like that, your whole legacy gets thrown up in the air.

02:23:34.000 For sure.

02:23:35.000 I mean, I wonder if they could retroactively test some of the samples.

02:23:39.000 If they kept the samples as long?

02:23:41.000 I don't know.

02:23:42.000 I don't know how long they keep them.

02:23:43.000 That's how they got Lance, right?

02:23:44.000 Yes.

02:23:45.000 Lance never popped while he was competing and was after the fact, right?

02:23:48.000 Something like that?

02:23:48.000 I don't know if they ever got him.

02:23:50.000 I think he had to confess.

02:23:53.000 Really?

02:23:53.000 I don't believe they ever caught Lance.

02:23:55.000 I thought they took old samples and then did it.

02:23:58.000 Maybe.

02:23:58.000 You might be right.

02:23:59.000 I don't know.

02:24:00.000 You might be right.

02:24:01.000 I felt like at the time when he quit, though...

02:24:05.000 That wasn't the case.

02:24:06.000 I felt at the time it was like the walls were closing in on him, and he had ex-teammates testifying.

02:24:12.000 Yeah, everybody was going at him.

02:24:14.000 Yeah.

02:24:15.000 Crazy.

02:24:17.000 But again, it's just, your whole sport's dirty.

02:24:22.000 Like, what are they doing now?

02:24:24.000 Are they just remarkably slower?

02:24:26.000 Like, what are they doing?

02:24:27.000 You got a juiced up sport.

02:24:28.000 If you keep the same times, I'm going to be super suspicious.

02:24:31.000 Yeah, what happened in that very next...

02:24:32.000 Especially if the next guy behind Lance that didn't juice was 27th or something.

02:24:38.000 Did the numbers just tack on an hour to every race?

02:24:42.000 I know.

02:24:42.000 I thought it was 18th, but you might be right.

02:24:44.000 But it's something crazy like that.

02:24:45.000 It's definitely top 10 or gone.

02:24:47.000 Oh, for sure.

02:24:48.000 Top 15. We'll agree it's over top 15th.

02:24:52.000 Yeah, well, that's the old days of the UFC, too.

02:24:55.000 I mean, you want to go back to the old days of pride, for sure.

02:24:59.000 Ensign Inouye told me they told him on the contract, you will not be tested for steroids.

02:25:04.000 I think Eve told me that, too.

02:25:05.000 Same thing.

02:25:06.000 Big, bold letters.

02:25:08.000 Like, you will not be tested.

02:25:08.000 Big, bold letters.

02:25:09.000 They're like, have at it, boys.

02:25:10.000 And I think so could you.

02:25:12.000 I want to say it was so could you.

02:25:14.000 I could be wrong.

02:25:15.000 One of those guys told me that after they got tested and pride, they would walk out.

02:25:19.000 If they got tested, that there would be just cups of piss all down the hallway after the fight.

02:25:26.000 Like, they didn't do anything with it.

02:25:27.000 Like, the guys peed in the cup and then they sat on the floor.

02:25:30.000 And down the hallway, it was just cups of pee all the way down.

02:25:32.000 Yeah, pee in this cup, please.

02:25:33.000 It's required.

02:25:33.000 Okay, thanks.

02:25:34.000 Yeah, we got it.

02:25:34.000 For nothing.

02:25:35.000 Yeah, we tested for drugs, man.

02:25:36.000 That turns out.

02:25:37.000 Tested their piss.

02:25:38.000 It just burned the results.

02:25:40.000 Clean as a whistle.

02:25:41.000 When you go and watch some of those fights where guys were just so juiced up, they let Bob Sapp fight at 375 pounds with abs.

02:25:52.000 With abs, bro.

02:25:54.000 And he's like an emotional wreck.

02:25:57.000 He starts crying.

02:25:58.000 When you're on that kind of juice, I would imagine your whole perspective and reality just gets thrown into the blender.

02:26:05.000 What kind of doses are those?

02:26:06.000 Are there just buckets of testosterone every week?

02:26:10.000 I wonder if he'd be clean.

02:26:11.000 He would tell you.

02:26:13.000 What were you doing during the Minotaur fight?

02:26:16.000 Tell me about those days.

02:26:17.000 Tell me about what was going on.

02:26:21.000 Krokop and his legs were just fucking enormous.

02:26:24.000 Meanwhile, Krokop smashed him.

02:26:26.000 Even when he was like fully on the shit.

02:26:28.000 Krokop dropped him.

02:26:29.000 All those guys were on the shit.

02:26:31.000 Yeah.

02:26:31.000 You know?

02:26:31.000 All those guys.

02:26:33.000 For sure.

02:26:33.000 Yeah.

02:26:34.000 Well, that was the thing.

02:26:35.000 People got real mad at me when I questioned Fedor.

02:26:37.000 I'm like, well, listen, it's not like Russia hasn't been known to do shit like that before.

02:26:42.000 It's not exactly.

02:26:43.000 When it's in your contract that you're not testing and you're the GOAT heavyweight.

02:26:47.000 You're the GOAT. Did he come to the U.S., maybe not so much the GOAT anymore?

02:26:52.000 Yeah, not so much the GOAT anymore once they were testing, right?

02:26:56.000 Vanderlei, same thing.

02:26:57.000 But also years on the clock.

02:27:00.000 There's a lot of factors.

02:27:01.000 For sure, of course.

02:27:02.000 You know, when he was fighting Cro-Cop, the early days of Fedor versus Cro-Cop, it's hard to argue that he wasn't a GOAT. He's one of those guys, like, in the heavyweight division, there was a few years when Randallman picked him up and slammed him and then he comored him right afterwards.

02:27:20.000 Insane.

02:27:21.000 Yeah.

02:27:21.000 There were some fights, man, when you go, like, that guy's the best.

02:27:25.000 He's the fucking best.

02:27:25.000 Randallman used to be a terrifying dude, too.

02:27:28.000 Oh, my God.

02:27:28.000 Remember him jumping up and down across the cage?

02:27:30.000 Oh, my God.

02:27:30.000 Can you imagine?

02:27:31.000 Like, what the fuck?

02:27:32.000 This dude's a gorilla.

02:27:33.000 He had so much athleticism.

02:27:36.000 He was so fast and so powerful.

02:27:38.000 He knocked out Krokop.

02:27:39.000 Remember that?

02:27:40.000 Left hook.

02:27:41.000 Stepped in.

02:27:42.000 Faked like a takedown.

02:27:43.000 Cracked him with a left hook.

02:27:44.000 Boom!

02:27:45.000 And then finished him off on the ground with nasty hammer fists.

02:27:47.000 It was horrible.

02:27:48.000 I mean, that's like the kickboxer transitioning to MMA's biggest problem, right?

02:27:54.000 Fake to take down, hands down.

02:27:56.000 There's been a lot of those.

02:27:57.000 Yep, there's been quite a few of those.

02:27:59.000 And Randleman was like, he was so perfect for that role because he was the wrestler who was a stud wrestler but also had crazy speed and power with his punches.

02:28:08.000 Crazy closing the distance power, you know?

02:28:11.000 Like Woodley.

02:28:12.000 Exactly.

02:28:12.000 You go like the Woodley-J Heron fight, or Carlos Condi.

02:28:16.000 Or the Woodley and Robbie Lawler fight.

02:28:19.000 Oh yeah, perfect example.

02:28:20.000 His ability to close distance and hit the target is second to none.

02:28:25.000 Oh my god, yeah.

02:28:26.000 He would throw bombs, man.

02:28:28.000 What a fucking career that guy had.

02:28:31.000 Has had.

02:28:32.000 But how good did Gilbert Burns look, man?

02:28:35.000 That was crazy.

02:28:37.000 I'm a big fan of Gilbert Burns.

02:28:38.000 He's a stud.

02:28:40.000 Before the fight, I was like, man, I really like Woodley, but I think Gilbert Burns.

02:28:45.000 And everybody's like, no, Woodley for sure, Woodley for sure.

02:28:48.000 If you see the Gilbert Burns that knocked out Damian Maia, and you realize, like, man, this guy is no joke on the ground.

02:28:54.000 Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu world champion, and he's got that sneaky left hook.

02:28:57.000 And also, like, this is a giant opportunity for him.

02:29:00.000 Woodley's an all-time great.

02:29:01.000 If Woodley retires right now, he goes down the books as one of the all-time great UFC champions.

02:29:06.000 Definitely top three welterweights of all time.

02:29:09.000 Or top four.

02:29:10.000 Plus there's a big difference in a former champion and an up-and-coming guy that's starting to see the light that there is a fucking title right there.

02:29:19.000 I can get to this.

02:29:20.000 I've been in those positions and that dude's a dangerous, dangerous dude when they haven't gotten there yet versus a guy that's still trying to keep it.

02:29:29.000 Yes, yes.

02:29:30.000 That's Burns.

02:29:31.000 That team, Sanford MMA with Henry Hooft.

02:29:34.000 Woo!

02:29:35.000 So you've got a jujitsu monster, Phenom, and he's working with high-level strikers every day.

02:29:41.000 What's crazy is like...

02:29:42.000 Oh, man, he's such a kill streak.

02:29:45.000 What's crazy is like, he really didn't strike until like just a few years ago.

02:29:49.000 I mean, I don't know how many years he's been fighting now, but before that, like, just had to learn how to strike.

02:29:54.000 He was a jujitsu guy.

02:29:56.000 He doesn't have like a background in kickboxing, but when you watch him fight, he's all about striking.

02:30:00.000 Really good.

02:30:01.000 Really good.

02:30:02.000 Really good.

02:30:03.000 Dude, did him drop Woodley like that in the first round and swarm him?

02:30:07.000 Like, fuck, man.

02:30:09.000 And his pace?

02:30:10.000 Keeps up that pace for five fucking rounds.

02:30:12.000 Hard.

02:30:13.000 Well, then between UFC fights, he's doing grappling.

02:30:15.000 He's still competing at high-level grappling tournaments and stuff.

02:30:18.000 That's a dangerous move, man.

02:30:20.000 Yeah.

02:30:21.000 That's a dangerous move.

02:30:22.000 When Cub Swanson blew his knee out, that quintet, I was like, oh no.

02:30:27.000 And against Jake Shields, I'm like, hey dude, Jake Shields is huge.

02:30:32.000 He's a lot bigger than you, man.

02:30:34.000 Yeah.

02:30:34.000 And he got, did you see it?

02:30:35.000 I did, I didn't see it.

02:30:37.000 It was in a leg lock position.

02:30:38.000 I think it was like reaping.

02:30:41.000 Oh, that's terrible.

02:30:42.000 They were stuck in this bad position and Cub's knee exploded.

02:30:47.000 Yeah, it's just a bad grappling matchup.

02:30:50.000 I mean, I know Cubs a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, but Jake is big.

02:30:54.000 He's a big guy, and he's fucking strong, and he has a long career as a competitive Jiu-Jitsu player.

02:31:02.000 If you're a cub and you're, like, just doing real good, like, you've had some wicked fights and you got a lot of momentum, and then you blow your fucking knee out in this grappling competition, you're like, shit.

02:31:11.000 And he's, like, 35, I think, in that range.

02:31:15.000 Like, that's a bad time to get injured like that.

02:31:17.000 And if you look at it, like, I'm a fighter and I'm doing this grappling tournament as, like, a thing.

02:31:21.000 A fun thing.

02:31:22.000 It's a fun thing.

02:31:23.000 Then you have to go in there, like, if I have caught in a position and this is not going well, I have to know that I'm a fighter, not a...

02:31:30.000 Yes, you gotta be willing to tap.

02:31:32.000 Or at the end of the day, you're just sitting there like, what a fuck.

02:31:35.000 Fuck.

02:31:35.000 Fuck, why'd I do that?

02:31:37.000 Yeah, there was a lot of jujitsu guys.

02:31:42.000 In that thing.

02:31:43.000 There's something about those leg locks, too.

02:31:46.000 It's like a scary way to get hurt.

02:31:47.000 Because you're like, yikes, that's gonna be a bad one.

02:31:50.000 You know, when you see someone get heel hooked and they're not tapping quick enough and you see that look in their face like, ah!

02:31:55.000 You're like, oh, you ain't recovering from that one for a long-ass time.

02:31:58.000 Now everybody's like training leg locks now.

02:32:01.000 That's like a newer thing, right?

02:32:04.000 Yeah.

02:32:05.000 I've been training with Eddie a bunch lately, and it's like getting used to just the Tim Planet style of jiu-jitsu is so different.

02:32:12.000 And then like the lockdown every five seconds on my leg, I gotta deal with that.

02:32:17.000 And then everybody's constantly going for leg locks all the time.

02:32:20.000 I've trained in a lot of teams in a lot of ways over the years with jiu-jitsu, and it's just...

02:32:25.000 It's a real issue.

02:32:27.000 It's a real issue.

02:32:28.000 It's a real issue.

02:32:29.000 Because there's not like a lot of room for defense in certain spots, right?

02:32:33.000 Heel hook spots, like inside heel hooks, bro, you got very little time to make a decision there.

02:32:39.000 Are you going to roll out of this or are you just going to tap now and preserve your shit?

02:32:44.000 Because you might get ripped apart.

02:32:46.000 And then Eddie's warm-ups, we have to like, you know, I'm sure you know, like the A's and the B's and C's.

02:32:49.000 There's like, I think it was C that we were doing.

02:32:53.000 Maybe it was B. But it was like knee, knee bar, ankle lock, knee bar, like foot, foot, foot, these things.

02:33:01.000 And that's just the warm-up of the thing.

02:33:03.000 These guys are constantly working on those specific, you know, style of jiu-jitsu around the leg locks, foot locks and ankle locks and It's a crazy time.

02:33:12.000 And if you look at the professional jiu-jitsu scene, if you look at the top of the food chain like the Gordon Ryans and Craig Jones and guys of that nature, they're all known for having nasty leg locks.

02:33:24.000 Well, Craig is an Australian guy, but Gordon Ryan, Gary Tonin, who's now a 1FC guy.

02:33:31.000 Oh, he made his debut?

02:33:32.000 Yeah, he's fought several times.

02:33:34.000 Oh, nice.

02:33:34.000 Yeah, he's fought several times.

02:33:35.000 He's undefeated in MMA. Awesome.

02:33:37.000 Yeah, he's doing really good.

02:33:39.000 It is a big deal.

02:33:40.000 Because, you know, whenever a guy like you, who's a world champion in kickboxing, or a guy like him, who's a world champion in grappling, makes his way into MMA, the advantage of your specialty is significant.

02:33:52.000 Mm-hmm.

02:33:53.000 Right?

02:33:53.000 Like when you're standing up with someone, your advantage for most guys against you is pretty significant.

02:33:59.000 You know, if you were just having a kickboxing fight, it would be very significant.

02:34:02.000 So that's the same thing with grappling with a guy like Tonin, man.

02:34:05.000 He has a hold of your shit.

02:34:07.000 You got real problems, man.

02:34:08.000 He's sneaky.

02:34:09.000 Quick.

02:34:10.000 Quick.

02:34:10.000 Did you ever see that video where it was, I think it was in Abu Dhabi, where he hit this dude with a scissor sweep right into a heel hook and like...

02:34:17.000 Tapped him in 15 seconds.

02:34:19.000 He just threw his body weight sideways and fell right into the heel hook and was immediately cranking on it.

02:34:27.000 And I feel like he has a couple of those.

02:34:29.000 This is his forte.

02:34:31.000 Well, he's so good defensively.

02:34:34.000 This is not it, but this is similar.

02:34:37.000 He did it on this guy, too.

02:34:39.000 That's in just a grappling competition.

02:34:41.000 I think he's done it in MMA as well.

02:34:43.000 But he's so good defensively that he's not really worried about you catching him when you go to the ground.

02:34:51.000 So he'll do wild shit to get to the ground, like dive into a flying scissor.

02:34:57.000 Because he's like, look, once we go to the ground, my level is so high in comparison to most guys, I can just get away with getting to the ground in weird spots.

02:35:05.000 The confidence, even if I get in a weird spot, I'm going to still end up in a better position.

02:35:10.000 Yeah, this is right here.

02:35:12.000 Look at this.

02:35:13.000 Boom.

02:35:13.000 I mean, come on, man.

02:35:15.000 This dude tries to roll.

02:35:15.000 He's like, tap, tap.

02:35:17.000 I mean, that is nasty, man.

02:35:19.000 He falls right into it.

02:35:21.000 Right into it.

02:35:22.000 Bam!

02:35:22.000 Ah!

02:35:23.000 Yeah.

02:35:24.000 That feeling of feeling your shit separate inside your knee, and you're like, oh, goddammit.

02:35:29.000 And it's so quick.

02:35:30.000 It's so quick.

02:35:31.000 Do I even bother trying to figure out what it is?

02:35:33.000 No, get the fuck off me.

02:35:34.000 Stop, stop, stop.

02:35:35.000 Get off me, bitch.

02:35:36.000 Stop, stop, stop.

02:35:36.000 And some guys would just let them rip their knee apart.

02:35:39.000 There was a Gary Tonin, A.J. How do you say his last name?

02:35:43.000 Agazam, who's also very talented.

02:35:46.000 And Gary Tonin had him in the craziest knee bar, where his knee was just fucked.

02:35:53.000 Just bent completely out of place.

02:35:56.000 And he didn't tap.

02:35:57.000 He just let him fuck his knee up.

02:35:59.000 It's nasty to watch, too.

02:36:01.000 And then he's out for over a year or something?

02:36:03.000 I don't think he was out for that long, believe it or not.

02:36:06.000 I think he just dealt with the fact that his shit was ripped up.

02:36:10.000 Shoutouts to him.

02:36:11.000 He had a wild...

02:36:14.000 Bellator fight.

02:36:14.000 Bellator.

02:36:15.000 Well, his first one was like fucking...

02:36:17.000 Everybody was ragging on him.

02:36:18.000 He had a bunch of stupid faces.

02:36:20.000 Didn't work out well.

02:36:20.000 But his last fight...

02:36:22.000 They gave him a tough guy that was part of that tournament.

02:36:25.000 And man, he really brought it.

02:36:27.000 It was good.

02:36:27.000 He really brought it.

02:36:28.000 It was an awesome fight.

02:36:29.000 It was really good.

02:36:29.000 He's super talented on the ground.

02:36:31.000 Really good.

02:36:32.000 And again, in comparison, he can hang in there with guys like Tonin.

02:36:35.000 In comparison to the average MMA fighter, he's going to have a significant advantage.

02:36:39.000 For sure.

02:36:39.000 See if you can find that Gary Tonin taps out.

02:36:45.000 His name is tough to say.

02:36:51.000 There it is.

02:36:53.000 So look.

02:36:54.000 Look how bad his knee is.

02:36:55.000 Dude, look at that.

02:36:57.000 That is so bad.

02:36:59.000 That is so bad.

02:37:00.000 Look how far back that's going.

02:37:01.000 Mmm.

02:37:03.000 Mmm.

02:37:05.000 And Aghazam just handles it.

02:37:07.000 Just deals with it.

02:37:08.000 He's like, I don't give a fuck.

02:37:09.000 Go ahead.

02:37:09.000 Break my shit.

02:37:10.000 Like, he's literally letting him fuck his knee up.

02:37:14.000 Look how bad.

02:37:15.000 Let me see that one more time.

02:37:16.000 Look how bad that thing has bent.

02:37:18.000 Look at that.

02:37:19.000 Bro, that's bad.

02:37:21.000 That's really big.

02:37:22.000 Look how far it is past straight.

02:37:26.000 Ouchie!

02:37:27.000 And look how red Gary's face is.

02:37:29.000 Holy shit.

02:37:30.000 Gary's trying to murder everyone he's ever met.

02:37:34.000 Huh?

02:37:35.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

02:37:37.000 It's bending the wrong way.

02:37:39.000 Yeah, his foot is coming toward his head.

02:37:41.000 I almost couldn't tell.

02:37:42.000 I know, because it seems like he should be facing the other direction, and it's bending backwards.

02:37:47.000 And he's even posting off of his own shit, trying to get more off of that, like how red his face is.

02:37:51.000 He's going for that.

02:37:52.000 Yeah, his knee is getting ripped apart there.

02:37:56.000 AJ's head is going this way and his foot is going that way.

02:37:59.000 Not good.

02:38:00.000 Super duper not good.

02:38:01.000 And he's like, fine, fucking fine.

02:38:03.000 Lifts his hands up, fine.

02:38:04.000 Some people are just tough, man.

02:38:06.000 They can handle getting their leg ripped apart.

02:38:08.000 I've seen it.

02:38:09.000 Jon Jones did it against Vitor.

02:38:11.000 Vitor ruined his arm.

02:38:14.000 Ruined his arm.

02:38:14.000 Vitor got him in a full-on arm bar, fully hyperextended.

02:38:18.000 And Jon's like, fuck you.

02:38:21.000 I'm not tapping.

02:38:22.000 You can do whatever you want with that thing.

02:38:24.000 I got this one over here.

02:38:25.000 Remember Tim Slivy and his arm snapped in half?

02:38:27.000 Yes, Frank Mir.

02:38:29.000 Frank Mir.

02:38:29.000 And then the only person that saved his entire fucking career was Herb Dean.

02:38:34.000 Right.

02:38:34.000 Herb Dean was like, hey, hey, hey, your arm's broken.

02:38:36.000 He's like, come on, bro.

02:38:38.000 Yeah, he's like, let me fight.

02:38:39.000 And, you know.

02:38:40.000 You commentated that one.

02:38:42.000 Yes.

02:38:42.000 Yeah?

02:38:42.000 And you were like, oh, something's going on here.

02:38:44.000 And they watched the video and you're like, oh.

02:38:46.000 Well, the audience was booing.

02:38:47.000 And so I said, you got to show these people the video.

02:38:50.000 We got to see this video.

02:38:51.000 And, you know, the audience was booing.

02:38:53.000 And then they put it up on the big screen.

02:38:55.000 And then when they put it up on the big screen, the moment you see it snap, people went, oh!

02:39:00.000 You hear it through the whole crowd like, oh!

02:39:03.000 It was the worst broken arm I've ever seen up to that point.

02:39:08.000 Someone else had a nasty one in the UFC. I can't think of it.

02:39:11.000 It was like a spiral fracture.

02:39:13.000 Minotaro versus Frank Mir.

02:39:15.000 Frank Mir got him into Kimura.

02:39:16.000 Minotaro didn't tap.

02:39:17.000 And he just...

02:39:17.000 You heard it, too.

02:39:19.000 You heard it.

02:39:20.000 Pactarina.

02:39:21.000 You hear...

02:39:21.000 And you see him sitting there looking at it like...

02:39:27.000 Yeah, look at him.

02:39:29.000 Look at him looking at it like...

02:39:30.000 Fuck!

02:39:31.000 Have you ever hit somebody with that and torn their shit?

02:39:34.000 No.

02:39:34.000 I did when I was...

02:39:36.000 That was a long time ago.

02:39:37.000 But I was...

02:39:38.000 I had somebody in a Kimura and they were like an upper belt and just didn't think that they were stuck.

02:39:43.000 You could get them?

02:39:44.000 They thought it was whatever.

02:39:45.000 And I don't even know if it was like about me.

02:39:48.000 He was just not going with the Kimura sweep.

02:39:51.000 It might even have been a sweep.

02:39:52.000 Oh, okay.

02:39:52.000 And he like just refused the sweep.

02:39:54.000 And his joint ripped and it sounded like if you took like a terrycloth towel and just pulled it apart and he's like...

02:40:02.000 It was terrible.

02:40:04.000 And that gave me nightmares for weeks.

02:40:06.000 It's always in my head.

02:40:07.000 Because it's right over you, right?

02:40:09.000 It's right in your ear.

02:40:11.000 It's terrible.

02:40:12.000 Feel the tendons ripping apart.

02:40:14.000 Terrible.

02:40:15.000 I don't know if I can make that sound.

02:40:17.000 Something like that, right?

02:40:19.000 Yeah, that's the rough thing about Jiu-Jitsu, man.

02:40:22.000 If you break something, you're like, well, now I'm out for six months.

02:40:25.000 If I'm lucky.

02:40:27.000 Yeah.

02:40:27.000 And the ego gets involved, right?

02:40:29.000 Yeah, that's the problem.

02:40:30.000 There's a lot of ego in jujitsu.

02:40:32.000 Oh, for sure, man.

02:40:33.000 You don't want to let it go.

02:40:34.000 I always try to go into, like, especially when I'm...

02:40:38.000 I go to a lot of different jiu-jitsu gyms.

02:40:40.000 I'm not a long-term guy, right?

02:40:43.000 So it's like, oh, that's Joe Schilling.

02:40:45.000 I go in with no ego, and there's always a guy that's going to go extra super hard.

02:40:49.000 This is his big moment, you know?

02:40:52.000 Yeah, that is a problem.

02:40:55.000 These motherfuckers and their big moments.

02:40:59.000 And I'm like, bro, I know this is your big day, but it's just like my Tuesday afternoon.

02:41:02.000 But that is the problem with a professional fighter always training with civilians.

02:41:06.000 You never know.

02:41:07.000 You're not vetting these people.

02:41:09.000 They're like, there might be bad cops.

02:41:12.000 Bad cops are allowed to train jiu-jitsu, too.

02:41:15.000 If you're in a fucking place and there's a guy who has that bad cop mentality and he happens to be a brown belt...

02:41:20.000 Bro, I'm so scared to get pulled over.

02:41:22.000 I'm not even lying.

02:41:23.000 Let's just give the cops some love.

02:41:25.000 You want good cops.

02:41:27.000 We want good cops.

02:41:28.000 Cops are important.

02:41:29.000 And I know there's a lot of them.

02:41:32.000 I think there's more good cops than bad.

02:41:33.000 I really believe that.

02:41:34.000 I think it's just an insanely hard job.

02:41:36.000 And I think they're held to a standard that they should be held to because it's a life or death situation.

02:41:42.000 But...

02:41:43.000 It's a standard where your entire job is you're dealing with conflict.

02:41:48.000 Conflict is very rare for people, right?

02:41:50.000 For regular people, not like you, you fight.

02:41:52.000 You're pretty good at conflict.

02:41:54.000 But for regular folks, they don't come into physical conflict on a regular basis.

02:41:58.000 It's very rare.

02:41:59.000 For a cop, it's every day!

02:42:02.000 You're overloading your system.

02:42:03.000 100%.

02:42:03.000 So if you have this guy who's already a little wacky, and then you put him into an everyday conflict situation, and then he's got seven years on the job, who knows how nuts that guy is by the time he does something stupid.

02:42:15.000 Which is why we just need to start the process with, are you okay with conflict?

02:42:21.000 Let's go down the list.

02:42:23.000 You can't even ask them.

02:42:24.000 You can't ask them.

02:42:25.000 You've got to make them carry the boat.

02:42:26.000 I think they should all go through BUDS training.

02:42:28.000 I really do.

02:42:29.000 Any kind of thing.

02:42:30.000 Yeah, find out if they're exceptional.

02:42:32.000 Find out if there's something about them that separates them from a regular person.

02:42:36.000 Well, if not, well guess what?

02:42:39.000 Having a gun and a fucking badge and the ability to pull somebody over and tell them what to do and shoot people, that takes you out of the realm of a normal person.

02:42:46.000 If you want to be a non-normal person, you have to show the qualifications of a non-normal person.

02:42:52.000 And I think most of them can do it.

02:42:54.000 They could do it.

02:42:54.000 And if they listen to Jocko, they let Jocko Willing take over the training and just make sure everybody does 20% training, we can radically reduce a lot of the interactions with people that are negative.

02:43:05.000 Radically!

02:43:05.000 And then we can overshadow it with good stories of cops doing good things and change the perspective.

02:43:11.000 Yes.

02:43:12.000 But right now, everybody needs to see there's a problem so they can be fixed.

02:43:15.000 Yes.

02:43:15.000 Right?

02:43:16.000 They do need to see that.

02:43:17.000 And that's why even the people that are mad and they don't like you now and they're pissed off at you, I hope they understand your perspective.

02:43:23.000 And that's why I wanted to...

02:43:25.000 First of all, I love you.

02:43:26.000 So I wanted to have you on because I always love seeing you.

02:43:28.000 But I wanted to have you on because I know that this means something to you.

02:43:32.000 This is not just like some celeb cause, like we were talking about that goofy video that those people made.

02:43:37.000 You know, like, I'm gonna be held accountable.

02:43:40.000 I'm gonna part of the problem.

02:43:41.000 No, you're doing that not for the likes.

02:43:43.000 You're losing people, man.

02:43:45.000 I know people are falling off you and they're mad at you.

02:43:48.000 But you're doing it because it means something to you.

02:43:50.000 And you actually care and you want people to know.

02:43:52.000 Like, this is a fucking real problem.

02:43:54.000 And it's a problem with black people for sure.

02:43:57.000 It's also a problem with just people.

02:44:01.000 This better not get lost in this conversation, this message.

02:44:06.000 For sure.

02:44:08.000 I'm down with police reform everywhere, for sure.

02:44:12.000 Whether it's Black Lives Matter or whatever's happening.

02:44:16.000 We need some police reform.

02:44:19.000 We need them to be held accountable.

02:44:20.000 They need to be held accountable for women, for old men, for everybody.

02:44:25.000 You can't just do that.

02:44:27.000 You can't just behave that way.

02:44:29.000 They need to be held accountable.

02:44:31.000 I think some of us are based, just like the coronavirus, probably you could say the same thing, because I haven't encountered it, I don't think it's real.

02:44:38.000 Just like people haven't encountered an asshole cop, which I find hard to believe, or racism, that it's not real.

02:44:45.000 You know what I mean?

02:44:46.000 Well, white people that discount racism are the most hilarious.

02:44:50.000 It's ridiculous.

02:44:51.000 Well, that's easy to say.

02:44:52.000 It's ridiculous.

02:44:56.000 The idea that it doesn't exist is pretty silly and the idea that all cops are good is also pretty silly.

02:45:00.000 All people are not good.

02:45:02.000 It's too hard.

02:45:04.000 It's too hard to be a person.

02:45:06.000 It's hard.

02:45:07.000 And people need checks and balances.

02:45:09.000 Every level of every job anybody has to have some accountability.

02:45:14.000 Has to have some checks and balances.

02:45:17.000 We can't have a government that nobody gets any checks and balances.

02:45:20.000 You know what I mean?

02:45:20.000 Every news channel all the time back checks and talks shit about every tweet that the president makes or anybody.

02:45:26.000 We're constantly doing that.

02:45:28.000 Why do we just blindly just believe that the police don't ever make mistakes?

02:45:31.000 Exactly.

02:45:32.000 And if we want to all admit that they have a bad, a hard job or whatever, that's just as much more reason that we should all be checking in on them and making sure that they're not going fucking apeshit.

02:45:42.000 Well said.

02:45:43.000 Thank you.

02:45:43.000 You're not a bad guy, Joe Schilling.

02:45:45.000 You just want people to be held accountable.

02:45:46.000 I just want them to be held accountable.

02:45:47.000 Because you're a bad motherfucker and you want bad motherfuckers to be cops.

02:45:50.000 That's right.

02:45:51.000 There you go.

02:45:51.000 Not bitch-ass dudes.

02:45:52.000 Not bitch-ass dudes.

02:45:53.000 That's what it is, right?

02:45:54.000 Straight up, yeah.

02:45:55.000 It's really clear.

02:45:56.000 That's a respectful position.

02:45:58.000 I was talking to my buddy about it.

02:45:59.000 Can you imagine being scared?

02:46:02.000 You have to go pull this person over.

02:46:04.000 And we think that cop's probably a pussy.

02:46:06.000 That's why he did it.

02:46:07.000 But if he knows he's a pussy...

02:46:09.000 He knows he's a pussy walking to the car.

02:46:11.000 Oh, fuck.

02:46:12.000 Exactly.

02:46:15.000 And that's what we're dealing with.

02:46:17.000 These are the guys we're giving the guns to.

02:46:18.000 Not all of them, but some of them.

02:46:21.000 100%.

02:46:21.000 That's so important.

02:46:23.000 It's like one of the things you would tell people if you were talking to a kid and he was like, do you think I should do martial arts for self-defense?

02:46:34.000 100%.

02:46:34.000 No, you're a pussy.

02:46:35.000 It's not cut out for it.

02:46:36.000 Like, straight up.

02:46:37.000 I don't mean those people.

02:46:38.000 No, but there are those people.

02:46:39.000 It's the same honesty.

02:46:40.000 A lot of those guys go into Jiu-Jitsu and they wind up strangling folks.

02:46:43.000 Yeah, well, good.

02:46:45.000 Jiu-Jitsu's different, man, because you don't have to get punched.

02:46:48.000 Guys can get really good.

02:46:50.000 There's something about, like, you would admit to this, right?

02:46:55.000 There's people that get good at jiu-jitsu that would never get good at striking.

02:47:01.000 Yes.

02:47:02.000 Yes.

02:47:03.000 Yes.

02:47:03.000 Because you actually practice Jiu Jitsu without getting hit in the face, whereas you're not going to actually get good at striking unless you're getting struck, which is very difficult.

02:47:14.000 You've got to go into the danger zone, son.

02:47:16.000 You can stay out of the danger zone with Jiu Jitsu.

02:47:18.000 You can do live drills.

02:47:19.000 You can do a lot of things, but sparring is sparring.

02:47:23.000 And the first time some guy fucking punches you in the face and you see stars and your nose starts running and your eyes are watering.

02:47:30.000 You're like, oh my god.

02:47:31.000 Because I can make you look great on the pads.

02:47:33.000 I could teach you the fitness.

02:47:34.000 You could have the body.

02:47:35.000 You could have shadow box.

02:47:36.000 You could do all of that.

02:47:38.000 When that shit happens.

02:47:40.000 When that shit happens, it's real.

02:47:42.000 And in jujitsu, you get to go again.

02:47:45.000 In jiu-jitsu, a guy catches you.

02:47:46.000 We all get caught.

02:47:47.000 A guy gets you in an arm bar.

02:47:48.000 Okay, tap.

02:47:49.000 And you can go right again.

02:47:50.000 If someone flatlines you, you're fucked for the day.

02:47:54.000 This is not a normal thing for your body to experience.

02:47:58.000 And you can't necessarily point that...

02:48:00.000 Out, at least not when they walk into the gym, right?

02:48:03.000 You train them for a whole fight.

02:48:04.000 That's what I tell my fighters all the time, is your first like 10 fights, I have no idea.

02:48:09.000 I have a hoping what you're going to do, but I don't know, right?

02:48:13.000 Because we'll be there in the smoker fight.

02:48:16.000 Warm up good, eat good, cut weight good, you're good, everything you're saying is great, and then you get out there in front of the lights and it's just not for you, it's not your time, it's not your moment.

02:48:24.000 Or you could be a Justin Gaethje who can somehow or another ignore those lights.

02:48:29.000 There's dudes that just ignore those lights.

02:48:31.000 They don't mean shit.

02:48:32.000 That guy comes out and just looks at it like this.

02:48:35.000 Just dead-faced.

02:48:37.000 He's not freaking out.

02:48:38.000 Daniel Rodriguez, same thing.

02:48:39.000 Same thing.

02:48:40.000 Same thing.

02:48:41.000 Like ice cold.

02:48:42.000 Yeah, he looks like a guy who would be ice cold.

02:48:44.000 Ice cold.

02:48:45.000 Those guys excel.

02:48:47.000 Those guys excel because how much of a factor is dealing with the anxiety?

02:48:51.000 The first time I cornered him for a fight, he let go, warm up, warm up.

02:48:56.000 Everybody, every fighter is a little different.

02:48:58.000 Some guys like long warm-ups, some guys are panicking to death.

02:49:01.000 Like, we just keep an eye and see what's going on.

02:49:03.000 So it's the first time, but I'm not sure what he's gonna do.

02:49:05.000 We're warming him up, and it's like, alright, you got like 10 minutes before the next fight.

02:49:09.000 And he's like, I'm like, you need anything else?

02:49:10.000 I'm like, no, I'm cool, chillin'.

02:49:12.000 He sits down, he gets on his phone, and he's like, just looking at the phone, swiping through and shit, and I'm like, and the commission comes, like, okay, you're next up, and he's like, alright, cool, and he's just bumping through his bum, like nothing's happening.

02:49:26.000 How long did he warm up?

02:49:28.000 Oh, we did probably like 15-20 minutes.

02:49:30.000 Oh, okay.

02:49:30.000 And we got a good spike going, got the first little bit out, but he was just chilling.

02:49:35.000 And I'm like noticing what's going on, and I don't want to like make a scene, but I like went in his ear and I was like, hey man, this shit you're doing right now is like, it's cool as fuck and all that, but like just make sure you turn the switch when it's time to go.

02:49:46.000 And he like looked at me like, yeah, I got it.

02:49:48.000 And sure enough, he did it, right?

02:49:50.000 He just smokes the guy, and the guy had way more experience than him.

02:49:53.000 This was a small local show.

02:49:55.000 Then after the fight, we go to the bar, and he's got all his friends and family there and shit.

02:49:59.000 And he's having a few drinks, and he puts his arm around me.

02:50:03.000 He was like, hey man, you know what you were saying?

02:50:04.000 Make sure I turn the switch.

02:50:06.000 I was like, yeah.

02:50:06.000 He's like, man, I've been to jail a lot.

02:50:10.000 Like a lot.

02:50:11.000 And I've fought a lot of people.

02:50:12.000 He's like, I don't get nervous when I fight one person.

02:50:14.000 And I was like...

02:50:21.000 Cha-ching, ching, [...

02:50:24.000 We got a winner!

02:50:25.000 We got a winner here, folks.

02:50:26.000 And then I was like, okay, we'll see about this.

02:50:28.000 But his UFC debut, I'm going to forget the guy.

02:50:32.000 He fucking fought.

02:50:35.000 He fought a really good guy from New Mexico, South Paul.

02:50:41.000 Don't remember it.

02:50:44.000 Man, I can't believe I'm not remembering his name.

02:50:45.000 Pull it up!

02:50:47.000 Young Jamie?

02:50:48.000 Man, the guy deserves a lot of respect.

02:50:50.000 He's a really tough dude.

02:50:51.000 He's almost like a gatekeeper, so to speak.

02:50:54.000 And D-Raw took it on like two weeks' notice and went in there.

02:50:58.000 And same thing.

02:50:59.000 He's like, warms up, real laid back.

02:51:01.000 He's like damn near sleeping in the locker room.

02:51:03.000 They're like, you're up next.

02:51:04.000 He's like, all right, cool, whatever.

02:51:05.000 And he's like totally ice cold.

02:51:08.000 Then we walk out for the fight, and after they check your nails and mouthpiece and all that, you have a moment.

02:51:16.000 Everybody always hugs, which I think is weird, like you're going off to battle or something.

02:51:20.000 But he turns around, and I was like, hey man, it's a big show.

02:51:23.000 Just take it all in.

02:51:24.000 You got this, whatever.

02:51:26.000 I'm like, what's the game plan?

02:51:27.000 He's like, fuck this dude up.

02:51:30.000 Yeah.

02:51:31.000 That's what you want to see?

02:51:32.000 Yeah.

02:51:32.000 I was like, but how are we going to do that?

02:51:34.000 And he's like, kind of like, so I'm going to move my feet.

02:51:37.000 I'm going to pick the angles, blah, blah, blah.

02:51:38.000 But he was just ice cold.

02:51:39.000 And then he stops the dude.

02:51:41.000 It was a phenomenal performance.

02:51:43.000 I'm like, that guy.

02:51:44.000 Is a rare breed when it comes to staying calm under pressure.

02:51:48.000 It's almost like prisons cross-fitting.

02:51:51.000 Cross-training.

02:51:53.000 Who's he got here?

02:51:54.000 Tim Means.

02:51:55.000 Tim Means is very good, man.

02:51:57.000 Very, very good.

02:51:59.000 Standing guillotine.

02:52:01.000 That's a big deal.

02:52:02.000 Tim Means is very good.

02:52:03.000 And he's very sneaky.

02:52:05.000 On short notice.

02:52:06.000 Debut, short notice, and you're dealing with a guy who has an insane amount of competition under his belt.

02:52:12.000 I mean, Tim Means is a fucking real world-class fighter.

02:52:17.000 D-Rod's the truth.

02:52:18.000 Yeah, there's guys like that out there, but it almost is like cross-training.

02:52:22.000 Like prison is like mental cross-training, you know?

02:52:25.000 I mean, you think of dealing with confrontation, believing in yourself, showing up like, I'm not a bitch, you know what I mean?

02:52:35.000 That's a lot of that.

02:52:36.000 If you get a guy, and he comes to jiu-jitsu, and he comes from gymnastics, you're like, oh, shit.

02:52:43.000 You've never done jiu-jitsu ever?

02:52:45.000 Dude, you're going to get good quick.

02:52:46.000 You're a gymnast.

02:52:48.000 If you get some guy who does the rings, imagine how good he's going to be at jiu-jitsu.

02:52:52.000 Pop my horse, dude.

02:52:54.000 Yes!

02:52:54.000 Yeah!

02:52:55.000 One of those motherfuckers?

02:52:56.000 How good is that going to be?

02:52:57.000 He's pushing off hips and shit?

02:52:59.000 And that's kind of the same way you would think about a guy who's been in a lot of street fights and prison fights.

02:53:03.000 Like, the anxiety aspect of fighting.

02:53:06.000 As long as you have the athletic aspect as well.

02:53:08.000 But having that anxiety alleviation of knowing how to keep your shit together.

02:53:13.000 It's like when someone else is having an anxiety attack or aspect to deal with and someone else feels right at home.

02:53:19.000 Not good.

02:53:20.000 Not even the opposite of that.

02:53:23.000 Feels good.

02:53:25.000 He's happy.

02:53:26.000 And sees it.

02:53:28.000 Sees it.

02:53:29.000 It's fucking terrifying.

02:53:31.000 Bad place to be.

02:53:32.000 Joe Schilling.

02:53:34.000 We did three hours already.

02:53:35.000 Time flies.

02:53:36.000 Time flies.

02:53:37.000 It does.

02:53:39.000 Don't feel in any way like you said anything negative.

02:53:43.000 You are 100% right.

02:53:44.000 Everything you said, all that shit you put on your Instagram, it doesn't mean you're a bad person or you're anti-cop.

02:53:51.000 You just don't want to see the disgusting shit that you keep posting over and over again.

02:53:56.000 Yeah, man, I just want everybody that are my people, which is all people that are in the United States, to land of the free, home of the brave, all the shit that we grew up on thinking this country's supposed to be.

02:54:07.000 Let's stick to that.

02:54:08.000 Let's hold each other accountable to that.

02:54:10.000 Yeah, and don't defund the police.

02:54:13.000 Please.

02:54:14.000 But they don't need tanks either.

02:54:16.000 They probably don't need tanks.

02:54:17.000 Goodbye, everybody.

02:54:19.000 Thank you.

02:54:20.000 Good night.

02:54:23.000 That was great.

02:54:23.000 That was good.

02:54:24.000 That was fun man.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 25, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1497 - Joe Schilling

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