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00:00:31.000Well, those super-duper ones they have at the White House, they can get those in 20 minutes.
00:00:34.000The ones we have here, you can get Well, the 10-minute one, see the antibody blood test will show you in 10 minutes whether or not you have, this is the FDA approved ones that we use here, they show you whether or not you have active antibodies, meaning a recent infection, you're probably currently fighting off the virus,
00:00:50.000or whether or not it's an old infection, so you had the virus and beat it, and then the nose swab will say definitively if you've got it in your system.
00:00:59.000No, if they come back during the course of this show and say that I've got it, am I quarantined in the studio?
00:01:04.000Yeah, well, the antibody is already negative, so most likely you don't have it.
00:02:13.000I mean, I'm worried because it's serious, and of course it's tragic to lose anybody, and we've lost over 150,000 people, but you've also got to keep this in context, right?
00:02:32.000You can believe the science, which of course you should do.
00:02:34.000You should pay attention to statistics and data and do the best things you can do.
00:02:38.000But you can also look at it and go, we're kind of fucked because part of this problem is the coverage of it because of political reasons.
00:02:47.000Not to jump right into the political thing, but I can't help but think that we wouldn't have quite as much confusion and we wouldn't have quite as much...
00:03:02.000If it weren't for the visceral hatred that exists out there on some sectors for the president, and again, I don't have a dog in the hunt, but I have a feeling like the tone of coverage will change in November if Biden wins.
00:03:52.000And he said, well, I really believe in hydroxychloroquine, but a lot of people who are Democrats who don't like the president don't want to use it.
00:04:01.000And he goes, hydroxychloroquine, when used correctly, he said, particularly in the early stages of the virus, seems to be very effective.
00:04:08.000Now, there's all these people that are coming out and saying it's not, and there's all these people that are coming out.
00:04:12.000And I talked to my doctor about it, and I said, well, why do you think that it's – because the doctor that I use currently, he recommends it for people that are high-risk as a prophylactic.
00:04:22.000That's the way Trump is supposedly taking it.
00:05:20.000Yeah, and people don't know, like to your point, people don't know what to believe, right?
00:05:25.000And it's one thing if the reporting or the dissemination of information is partisan during normal times, but you're talking about a public health crisis.
00:05:37.000And you would think we'd set all of that bullshit aside.
00:05:40.000I mean, if we can't come together as a country during a fucking public health crisis, what the hell's wrong?
00:07:30.000Yeah, if you've got your horse waiting outside.
00:07:32.000Do you know that whole video where there's a bunch of doctors that keeps getting removed from YouTube and Facebook with a bunch of doctors talking about hydroxychloroquine and Z-packs and zinc?
00:07:44.000Everybody's like, you need to listen to this lady.
00:07:46.000Then it turns out the lady believes that the cause of impotence is spirits and she thinks there's alien DNA in vaccines.
00:08:44.000Summer reported that a 2015 sermon that laid out a supposed Illuminati plan hatched by a witch to destroy the world using abortion, gay marriage, and children's toys, among other things...
00:09:01.000Emanuel claimed that DNA from space aliens is currently being used in medicine.
00:09:06.000She also offered prayers through her website to remove generational curses transmitted through placenta.
00:09:37.000See, when he says that, and then the lady who believes in witchcraft says that, Then, like, maybe it does work, but the problem is a fucking lady who believes in alien DNA and witchcraft and generational curses transmitted through placenta.
00:10:10.000That's what it's like around my house now.
00:10:12.000You're going to get popped in the air hole by a Nerf bullet at close range because you never know when they're going to sneak up on you and use these things.
00:10:26.000But I think, to your point again, part of this is it would be nice if...
00:10:33.000If the messaging from the White House was better, let's face it, on a number of things, we wouldn't have quite the chaos that we do right now.
00:10:41.000Well, he's basically using the same strategy he used to be a famous person.
00:11:40.000I believe there's an also large group of people that are very uncomfortable with a man who seems to be mentally compromised winning the election and doing so by hiding.
00:11:54.000Until he comes out with his VP pick, all bets are off, as far as I'm concerned, on Biden.
00:12:00.000That VP is going to have a bucket of lube, and she's going to dunk it in there and stuff her hand up his ass, and she's going to be working him like we can at Bernie's.
00:12:08.000There's no way that guy's going to be doing any talking.
00:12:38.000For what it's worth, I mean, A, look, he did something kind of wacky.
00:12:41.000I understand why he did it, because, you know, that's the world we live in.
00:12:44.000But he's backed himself in the corner and said, okay, I'm going with gender and demographics rather than, you know, identifying the most qualified person.
00:12:57.000But, you know, the Susan Rice, I will put out a...
00:13:01.000I would be much more comfortable with Susan Rice than I would be with Harris, frankly, just given the work that she's done, the things that she's done, right?
00:13:10.000On National Security Council, she was U.N. Ambassador, she was Assistant Secretary of State, she was, what, National Security Advisor for four years.
00:13:20.000I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up picking her because he worked with her very closely for eight years.
00:13:25.000And she doesn't have the name recognition, but I don't know that in this election cycle that's as important as it has been in the past.
00:13:36.000Isn't there some controversy with her regarding Benghazi?
00:13:51.000Going on eight years ago, September 11, 2012. So shortly afterwards, she went on TV. She did a series of interviews right afterwards as sort of the face of the administration talking about this.
00:14:03.000And she utilized a bunch of talking points that had been prepared by the intel community, right?
00:14:08.000Led at the time by John Brennan and some others.
00:14:12.000In that, that's where it famously blamed the video that came out and the protests in Cairo and then, oh my god, it escalated.
00:14:32.000That movie seemed like if there was ever some movie that was made to sort of be used as a cover-up, that movie did not look like a real movie.
00:15:34.000The bottom line is, if you don't believe that Joe Biden is likely going to be the president for four years, if he gets elected, right, for whatever reason, then the VP pick is incredibly important, more so than we've had in a long time.
00:15:52.000And you want this to be a serious-minded individual.
00:15:55.000If you want to hang that, if you'd rather see him pick somebody like Karen Bass or Tammy Duckworth or someone, rather than someone who's had the range of experience within government that Susan Rice has had.
00:16:10.000Again, I'm not shilling for Susan Rice.
00:17:12.000We didn't allow for, but we were not prepared for the attack that took place on September 11th in 2012. And immediately afterwards, the line from the administration was, shit, nobody could have seen this coming, right?
00:17:26.000Because, you know, there was a spontaneous protest because of this...
00:17:39.000And now, you know, then they tried to back it up a little bit by going, well, yes, some jihadist elements, you know, hijacked that, you know, legitimate protest over a hateful video in Benghazi.
00:18:45.000I'm more comfortable with Republican policies related to foreign policy, related to national security concerns, related to the economy to some degree.
00:19:05.000The character or the behavior of Trump, right?
00:19:10.000I mean, that I disagree with the fact that he gets out there, he doesn't have an edit button.
00:19:15.000Doesn't mean I don't appreciate the things that the administration does in certain areas, like our China policy or other things.
00:19:21.000So I think the Democrats make a mistake thinking, okay, well, people don't like Trump, so they're going to vote for this thing over here, right?
00:19:28.000And if this thing is a hybrid between Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders, who, you know, got shafted once again in this, you know, this round of Democratic primaries.
00:20:02.000I think the solution is somewhere in the center.
00:20:04.000And when you see shit like what's happening in Portland and Seattle, I think people are more aware than ever now that civil unrest is like...
00:21:02.000You made a worse version of America in six blocks.
00:21:04.000It's like one of those little tiny, little, you know, like if you took like a glass dome and you put like little animals in there and you let them eat each other alive.
00:21:13.000I was like, we're going to create utopian glass.
00:21:16.000They made a worse version of the United States.
00:22:05.000You know, it's the same – the people that do this sort of activity, right, that, you know, have been referred to as Antifa or anarchists or whatever, They're the same sort of trustafarian,
00:22:21.000bottom-feeding folks in really any city in the world who engage in a WTO protest because it's cool to get out there and protest.
00:22:30.000I don't understand the mentality, but if you try to figure out a motivation for them, you'll lose your mind because they really don't have one.
00:22:37.000You could take 10 of those people out of Portland who are engaged in sort of the violent activity And ask them, well, why are you doing this?
00:22:49.000And the sad part about it is they hijacked very legitimate protests over really serious, important questions about how do we improve policing around the country?
00:23:06.000And I'll tell you, the most disappointing part about it is After the tragedy with George Floyd, if the focus had been on, okay, here's what we have to do.
00:23:20.000We have to Seriously, not just lip service.
00:23:24.000We have to improve the policing to solve this particular issue.
00:24:10.000But it's not as heavy a lift as deciding in the aftermath of the George Floyd tragedy that what we're really going to do is we're going to remove racism from the hearts and minds of people.
00:24:59.000And all mankind, it's a human element of nature.
00:25:04.000Would you rather spin your wheels and act self-righteous and try to say, well, we're going to have this exercise where we remove racism from mankind, or would you rather say, in the aftermath of this, let's do the things that can actually make a difference?
00:25:18.000And then, legitimate protests over the anger and frustration about all this got further hijacked by, again, Antifa, anarchists, whatever you want to call it.
00:25:26.000I think that's a big part of the problem.
00:25:28.000You know, Ben Shapiro and I had this conversation about the protests and this term Where they are large, mostly peaceful protests, and he had a hilarious point.
00:25:38.000He said, O.J. Simpson had a mostly peaceful night the night he killed his wife.
00:25:43.000It was only three minutes of the entire day that wasn't peaceful.
00:25:55.000The problem is the people that hijack that and are trying to light the federal buildings on fire and smash monuments, you know, particularly, I mean, like, they're going after Abraham Lincoln.
00:26:12.000I would have loved if Abraham Lincoln could have had a time machine and gone to 2020 and understood what we know now about systemic racism.
00:26:19.000However, he lived in the 1700s when he wrote with a fucking feather.
00:26:26.000The world was a weird place back then.
00:26:29.000Well, and that's part of it, is trying to judge people of the past by current morals or current understanding, current thinking, is pretty absurd, right?
00:26:42.000It doesn't justify past bad actions, but you know what?
00:26:46.000This idea that you're going to erase history or remove history or not learn from it going forward, it discredits the ability of people to...
00:27:24.000The idea that this guy is supposed to be a perfect person back then, look, history is supposed to be about the things that happened, the people that made a difference, and how we got to where we are today.
00:28:17.000Somewhere in Mongolia, there's gotta be, right?
00:28:19.000Look, Genghis Khan killed 10% of the fucking population while he was alive.
00:28:23.000But it doesn't mean there shouldn't be some recognition of this historical figure when you're talking about 2020. Well, I think, interestingly, and this doesn't, again, you know, The problem is nowadays, right?
00:28:35.000You've got sort of the righteous mob on the left and the righteous mob on the right.
00:28:39.000And the problem people make is they try to placate one side or the other thinking somehow they're going to be pure enough.
00:28:45.000You're never pure enough for the self-righteous mob no matter where they are on the spectrum.
00:28:53.000But, you know, a lot of the Confederate statues out there were put up in an effort to, and this sounds weird, but in an effort to try to unify the country again, right, in the aftermath of the Civil War.
00:29:03.000And there was this element of saying, let's try to...
00:30:35.000Look, it's awful that we have history that's filled with terrible acts and deeds.
00:30:41.000But I don't think that removing statues of people who tried to make a difference, you know, within the context of their time, you know, with Lincoln 1865, with George Washington, 1700s.
00:30:54.000I mean, you're talking about people that when they were doing this, they were the best example of humanity that you could find.
00:31:01.000They were the best example of what we had.
00:31:04.000I mean, when George Washington was the first president of the United States, I mean, you want to talk about a fucking radical undertaking, this crazy experiment in self-government while they escaped from the grasp of Europe.
00:31:28.000It's not like we haven't had protests before, you know, Black Lives Matter protests and over the same issues of police brutality and all that.
00:31:34.000But it all falls into that same bucket from my perspective that we...
00:32:56.000But again, defunding and saying that and saying, this is what I'm for.
00:32:59.000It's an easy fucking way to feel good and to placate people and then you don't do shit and then five years from now we have another incident because you didn't actually do the things that make policing better.
00:33:11.000Well, you get where you got in New York City.
00:33:13.000It gets even worse for the citizens because now the police don't have any faith at all in the government.
00:33:27.000I've never thought, if you went back to March when we shut down, I never thought I would be sitting here with you at the end of early August here, and we would be talking about this.
00:33:37.000I would have never thought that this would have taken place, that we would have legitimate civil unrest in this country, people getting shot in the streets in protests.
00:33:46.000You know, I know that there's a real concern in a lot of these cities that someone's going to try to recreate what happened in Seattle, recreate what happened in Portland, and they're worried about it.
00:33:59.000The thing about it is it seems so organized.
00:34:10.000Like, how do you get something as big as these Portland riots?
00:34:15.000Well, you know, it's a really good question.
00:34:18.000And sometimes what you see is what appears to be a grassroots movement or grassroots activity happening, just kind of swelling up from a couple of neighborhoods.
00:35:10.000Yeah, but I mean, you know, are there some elements that help with communication support or transportation assistance or legal advice or whatever it may be?
00:36:14.000I'm not necessarily a conspiracy theorist, but sometimes, yeah, sometimes you got to follow the threads that you can pull on and sometimes it takes you down an interesting path and you think, okay, maybe there is something to this.
00:36:25.000I wouldn't say you're a conspiracy theorist, but I would say you're open to the possibility of conspiracy.
00:36:30.000Like when you and I talked about the Martin Luther King assassination and you took a big pause and you said, that one does not make sense.
00:37:00.000Look for issues of where did money go?
00:37:04.000Because that sometimes will take you down a more legitimate path, right?
00:37:09.000A lot of times investigations get built on very shaky ground because you start with a theory or whatever and you're never starting on firm ground.
00:37:16.000Sometimes when you follow the money, it keeps you a little more grounded.
00:39:02.000I don't know what the percentage of it is, but if you want to go with whether it's Newsweek or CNN or the New York Times or Washington Post or many, many, many, many of these papers and organizations lean left.
00:39:16.000The dirty secret is Antifa acts as the thug enforcers of the left.
00:39:23.000The people that do things like this, whether you approve of violence or disapprove of violence, what they're doing is they act as the people doing the dirty work that many people on the left think has to be done in order to enact real change.
00:39:38.000Now, if you had the same thing in the right, imagine, my friend Tim Dillon said this, imagine if the Proud Boys were lighting Portland on fire.
00:39:47.000Can you imagine if we had a Democratic president and the Proud Boys were trying to break into the courthouse and light Portland on fire?
00:39:57.000It would be terrifying if it was a different political ideology but the same exact actions.
00:40:04.000So because these actions are done with the correct political ideology, under the guise of racial justice, under the guise of reforming our government, so then everybody's okay with people literally burning books.
00:41:49.000And I think he knows what he's going to get, which is, again, what he got, which is a couple of days of, oh my God, hand-wringing, and I told you he's a dictator, and of course he's going to...
00:41:56.000And then my favorite narrative of the left is, well, he's not going to leave.
00:42:01.000If he loses in November, he's not going to leave.
00:42:03.000That's my absolute favorite narrative from the left so far.
00:42:05.000Yeah, I keep hearing that, but I've seen no evidence that that's true.
00:42:09.000Well, if you repeat something often enough, then it gets to be true.
00:42:13.000It was like when we had the chemical weapons issue in Iraq, remember?
00:42:17.000We had one source, but if you report that, it gets into reporting channels, and then somebody else mentions it or refers to it, and then you've got two mentions.
00:42:25.000And pretty soon people forget it only came from one source of information.
00:42:28.000Elon Musk, please hurry up with your neural link so we can read each other's minds and people can't lie anymore.
00:42:50.000My polygraph file was huge because I... I'm one of those – I'm a kind of a – I don't want to say I'm a Puritan, but I'm one of those Quaker people who feels guilty about everything, right?
00:42:59.000I feel like if I took a pencil when I was a three-year-old, you know, my God, I got to confess it, right?
00:43:04.000So I had a hell of a time during polygraphs, right?
00:43:07.000And then I'd get irritated with the examiners, right?
00:43:11.000One time I had one of the examiners say, you seem to know a lot of foreign people.
00:43:28.000They're like, what do you mean I seem to know a lot of foreign people?
00:43:33.000But I used to say all the time, I said, man, if they could just make a colander that would come down on your head and read your thoughts, I would be happier than a pig and shit because then I could have been out of this thing in five minutes.
00:43:59.000The lies are the problem, the distortions of the truth.
00:44:02.000Did you imagine the implosion of media if we had mind reading and we find out exactly what's going on in the New York Times, exactly what's going on in the Washington Post, exactly what's going on?
00:44:12.000Whenever you see questionable stories, you're like, what the fuck is this?
00:44:40.000They don't have obligations because they can't work.
00:44:43.000Because so many folks are fucked and they're out of work, that makes people more apt to be activists, more apt to get out there in the streets, and it creates actually more chaos because you're having more people involved in these things and they really don't have anything else to do with their time.
00:45:00.000And when you're out there, you're screaming and you're fucking holding arms and you're saying, you know, we will overcome, you really think like you are doing something.
00:45:07.000I mean, it really does, I'm sure it feels good.
00:45:09.000No, a lot of this is about, you know, feeling like, I mean, you're making a difference, right?
00:45:32.000What drives me crazy is, I mean, you just do it, you can spend five minutes doing it, right?
00:45:36.000Just go, while you're walking around, maybe not now because everybody's hiding in their hidey hole, but, you know, just the constant with the phone, right?
00:45:44.000If people have five seconds of free time on their hands, they don't know what to do, so they get their phone and say, okay, well, you know, if nothing else, at least I look like everybody else staring at my phone.
00:45:51.000But I think one of the interesting things with news dissemination is, You go back to, you know, the 50s, the 60s, 70s, we had a shared moment, right, every day, for the most part, right?
00:46:06.000Everybody would sit down at whatever, 5 o'clock or 11 o'clock across the country, and you'd watch the news on one of three, basically three outlets, ABC, NBC, or CBS. And so for that moment, if you think about it, The vast majority of people who were paying attention to news were getting their news delivered from the same one of three sources.
00:46:26.000There was a commonality there and they would process it differently based on their own experiences and beliefs but at least there was that point of commonality.
00:47:30.000We're not going to have a panel discuss it and tell us what it might mean.
00:47:34.000We're just going to take the top events of the day and maybe two or three times a day, here's your news.
00:47:41.000We're going to take the time to research.
00:47:43.000And that was the other thing about having a newscast at 5 and a newscast at 11. You had all day long as a media business to check your facts, to get it right.
00:47:54.000And you weren't playing beat the clock with every MOOC with a smartphone, who now thinks they're a blogger or a vlogger or whatever.
00:48:03.000But I think that would actually be very successful because I think people do want They want the ability or the comfort of thinking, yeah, maybe this is legitimate.
00:48:16.000Yeah, they want someone who's pure that way.
00:48:19.000I think the only people that are doing it like that are independents.
00:48:24.000There's a few of them that are just calling it like they see it.
00:48:27.000If you want political information, my sources are Kyle Kalinske, Jimmy Dore, and The Hill.
00:48:32.000Those are the ones that I go to because they'll call out people on both sides and they show the problems.
00:48:38.000The Hill's a particularly good show because you have Crystal who's on the left and Sagar who's on the right and they're honest and they're intelligent and they talk about things and they disagree but they're also friends and they've been on the podcast together.
00:48:49.000But they'll tell you, here's the issues and this is why this is wrong and this is why this is corrupt and here's the influences and this is where you're being misled.
00:49:02.000Even on the political side, even reporting on Capitol Hill, you can deliver the news.
00:49:06.000You can say, you know, during the course of today, this is what happened, right?
00:49:10.000Now, it's not going to blow anybody's skirt up because it's not exciting and it's not titillating and it's not, you know, it doesn't fire you up to hate the other side.
00:49:19.000It's just, you know, again, talk about setting up, you know, field offices and that's an expensive business.
00:49:26.000And to do it and to be completely unbiased, you're going to have a lot of people working for you.
00:49:33.000Like, good luck keeping them all unbiased, especially today.
00:49:36.000If you're getting some kid fresh out of college and he's 22 or she's, you know, getting her graduate degree, You're going to get kids that have gone through this system that we're trying to rectify.
00:49:51.000The university system today is filled with woke politics.
00:49:57.000A lot of these kids that are getting out, they have this idea in their head before their frontal lobe is even fully formed of what is good and what is bad and what is right and what is wrong and what you're supposed to do.
00:50:11.000A lot of it is like it's really distorted and weird.
00:50:15.000Well, my daughter who works in Washington, D.C. now is getting a really good look at how government works.
00:50:23.000When she was in college, and she's more Republican than most of her friends that were in college, because to your point, it's very liberal.
00:50:48.000She said, look, my goal here was to get good grades.
00:50:51.000And it was clear that taking the opposite position from the professor or the teaching assistant wasn't going to get me where I wanted to be.
00:51:13.000We don't like to be, you know, there's a few very strong-minded rebels out there in the world, but most people are conformists.
00:51:21.000Most people just, they think they're rebellious, but they're rebellious along with a group of other people that think almost the exact same way, and those are the people they hang out with.
00:51:30.000I got on the tube one time when I was living in London a few years back, and it wasn't the mullet craze, it was the goatee craze.
00:51:43.000So I came back from, I forget where I was working overseas, but while I was out there, Before I went back to London, I thought, ah, fuck it, I'll grow a goatee.
00:52:55.000But when it comes to political things and sociological things, when it comes to matters of culture, there's opinions.
00:53:02.000You know, and sometimes, you know, opinions vary, and there's a spectrum along with it, and there's some people that hold that opinion that are really fucking crazy, and there's other people that are very reasonable that hold a similar opinion, but they have a justification for it, and they have a rationalization for it, and they have thought behind it.
00:53:18.000And this is, you know, one of the beautiful things about doing a podcast like this is when we're talking about, like, phones, like, leaving your phone.
00:53:26.000For three hours, I don't touch that goddamn thing.
00:53:29.000And I get to have a one-on-one conversation with someone where we're locked in with headsets, where your voice is as loud as my voice and it's in my head and we're looking at each other across the table.
00:53:38.000It's a very unusual thing and it's been a massive education for me.
00:53:42.000To be able to talk to people like you and all the interesting and intelligent people that I get to talk to.
00:53:47.000It's changed who I am as a human being in a big way.
00:53:51.000I talk to you and then I talk to the folks that are interesting and intelligent.
00:53:57.000I think the cancel culture thing and this idea that people want to think in absolutes, again, I go back to the same point all the time, which is like, be careful, everybody.
00:54:10.000Just be careful, because you're never going to be pure enough, and then you start seeing everybody getting devoured.
00:54:15.000Matt Taibbi had a good example about that when he was talking about Alex Jones getting kicked off of Twitter.
00:54:20.000And he's like, whether you agree with Alex Jones or not agree with Alex Jones, this is a bad thing.
00:54:25.000He's like, because it's not going to stop.
00:54:27.000He goes, when you tell a guy you're not allowed to have those opinions and those thoughts...
00:54:33.000And we're going to remove you from the discourse.
00:54:35.000You can no longer participate in communication.
00:54:46.000You're seeing that with people who are liberal but don't toe the line about maybe specific gender issues or trans issues or whatever it is.
00:55:50.000And now having more life experience and encountering more hypocrisy and craziness in people, now she has a more nuanced and balanced perspective.
00:56:24.000There's a certain amount that I really like about Republicans.
00:56:29.000The value of hard work and discipline, family values, all those things particularly as I've become a father and become someone who makes money and understands where taxes go and understands fiscal waste.
00:56:45.000I'm a fiscally conservative person, but I'm a socially very liberal person, and I find myself like a man without an island.
00:57:42.000I drove up to the boys' Finnish swim team the other day, and I had all three of them, Scooter and Sluggo and Muggsy in the car, and I said, hey, let's stop.
00:58:51.000Which now is like the, you know, somebody sent me that, I'm sure, I don't know who even came up with this, but they said that sneezing in public is now the equivalent of shitting your pants in public.
01:02:24.000It's weird, but it's the way of the world.
01:02:27.000The relationship with cats to people is so bizarre because they're basically, they just accept the fact that you're big enough that they can't eat you.
01:04:13.000I tell you, it wasn't that long ago, driving down by the Boise River, saw this hawk come down, just bam, hit the water, came up with a nice trout.
01:05:59.000And again, you can believe the science, but at the same time disagree with the coverage and think, you know what?
01:06:08.000Again, going back to the whole idea of objective news, it'd be interesting to see what the coverage would be like if we had objectivity in journalism.
01:06:15.000And But it's not going to happen, so I'm just talking out my ass.
01:06:22.000And I think these independent people, like I was talking about, like Kyle Kalinske and Jimmy Dore and The Hill, and these people that are doing it with politics, I think they've opened up the possibility that someone could do it with just general news.
01:06:36.000Politics is a very attractive way for someone to get into the game because it's very click-baity.
01:07:26.000I would like someone to do the same goddamn thing with a regular news show, but the problem is if you funded it, like if I said, hey, we're going to do the JRE News Network.
01:07:33.000We're going to treat news the way I treat everything in life.
01:07:36.000I don't know, so I ask questions and I want to know what the real truth is.
01:07:39.000And sometimes I'm wrong, but if I'm wrong, I'll correct myself.
01:08:09.000I mean, you never had 100% objectivity, right?
01:08:13.000I mean, it just never happened because of some of the reasons you're talking about.
01:08:16.000It's just like with intelligence reporting, right?
01:08:20.000Once you get the raw intelligence off the street, you can have an asset tell you something, and that moment It's just raw intelligence.
01:08:29.000It doesn't have a right or a left or whatever.
01:08:31.000It hasn't been through the spin cycle.
01:08:33.000But once that intelligence gets reported back to headquarters, and then it starts getting its way through the analysts, and then it makes its way to others outside of the agency, if we're talking about the agency, and it starts getting to the NSC. By the time it finishes getting through all those different cycles,
01:09:42.000It's almost like you need individual shows that cover individual subjects.
01:09:46.000Like you need an unbiased environmental show that tells you, hey, this is what we really know currently about fracking.
01:09:53.000This is what we really know, and this is how we know it, and these are the people we're talking to, and you have a whole fucking show just dedicated to the dangers, pros and cons of fracking.
01:10:02.000And then have the same thing for coal, and the same thing for solar, and the same thing for current nuclear technology, which might be the most promising thing that we have, but everybody's fucking terrified of it.
01:10:12.000Well then what you're getting though, is you're continuing to slice and dice your sources of information, and what are you doing?
01:10:18.000You're still overwhelming the people, in fact more so.
01:10:54.000Tom O'Neill, who is a friend of my good friend, Greg Fitzsimmons, wrote an insane book that took him 20 years about Manson and the CIA and LSD. What did you think about all that?
01:11:08.000Well, you've touched on some, or Tom touched on some really interesting things.
01:11:15.000What I liked about his book, and I went through it, I read it, is that...
01:11:22.000He's actually, I think, very honest about the shortcomings of what he ended up doing and the research that he went through and where he couldn't draw connections.
01:12:02.000It is that, but it's also a fantastic Account of all the things that happened with the Manson family and all those people that were alive back then, about how this guy kept getting out of jail, and they kept arresting him, and they kept saying, this is above my pay grade,
01:12:18.000Yeah, and that's, for me, that's the strangest part about the whole story, right?
01:12:22.000I mean, you know, this idea that, you know, was Manson, you know, a lab rat for the CIA and, you know, how How far down that rabbit hole do you want to go?
01:12:32.000Well, O'Neill is pretty clear about that, right?
01:12:34.000It's not a particularly solid connection.
01:12:37.000It's a tenuous connection, I think he called it, between one of what used to be a contractor, a researcher for that old chestnut MK Ultra.
01:15:16.000And you talk about it now and everybody rolls their eyes and goes, oh my god.
01:15:20.000But you're absolutely right that you have to understand the context with which then Alan Dulles, who was at the time the director of the CIA... By the way, the guy who Kennedy fired and wound up being a part of the Warren Commission after Kennedy was murdered,
01:15:44.000So anyway, we got Alan Dulles, who in 53...
01:15:51.000Early in 1953 says, all right, we have to understand what the Soviets are doing, particularly the Soviets.
01:15:59.000But we also had, you know, again, I'm sure some folks listening know all this, but a lot of folks probably don't.
01:16:06.000We had POWs returning, American POWs returning from Korea.
01:16:10.000That was a big issue, right, because some of them came back, again, quote-unquote brainwashed, you know, and some of them didn't want to return because, you know, again...
01:16:18.000Brainwashing, mind control that perhaps the Chinese had developed these techniques.
01:16:27.000How do we protect ourselves against this new threat within this Cold War, against these enemies who appear to be devoting great deal of resources against this?
01:16:35.000Well, so initially it started out as a defensive effort.
01:16:38.000MKUltra was the umbrella name for a whole bunch, over 140 sub-projects underneath MKUltra.
01:16:47.000And it was all based around chemical substances, use of chemicals, use of drugs, behavioral issues with human beings, creating false memories, Deleting memory,
01:17:02.000influencing the behavior, again, of individuals.
01:17:06.000There were a variety of projects that fell under this MKUltra, and it was, again, starting out as a defensive issue, but then quickly became sort of an offense.
01:17:16.000How do we become the leader in all of this?
01:17:36.000And where this went off the rails, in a handful of ways, in many ways, Was testing on unwitting subjects, things such as LSD and a variety of other substances.
01:18:15.000And one of the things that people should also do if they want to read about this is read any testimony that came out of the CIA. And there was some testimony.
01:18:24.000There were documents written by the Inspector General back in...
01:18:44.000Federal programs, military programs, others that were still looking into issues related to the use of chemical substances for everything again from interrogation to behavioral adjustment and a lot of these things were funded Through cutouts.
01:19:08.000So you'd set up, again, this is early 50s, mid-50s, early 60s, set up financing vehicles through, say, what appear to be Non-threatening grant programs,
01:19:27.000So you'd loop in academic institutions or researchers.
01:19:31.000And MKUltra had, at least acknowledged anyway, over 80 academic institutions and others that were either wittingly or unwittingly working on their behalf in various research programs.
01:19:47.000So, yeah, this Midnight Climax program, basically, they'd kit out a safe house as a brothel, and they would have the hookers slip LSD or whatever substance to the Johns.
01:20:04.000Behind a mirror, you'd have a supposed researcher, right?
01:20:10.000Sitting there having a drink and watching the hooker and the John have sex, and then they'd be analyzing the impact of the LSD on them in terms of their ability to talk.
01:21:58.000And so again, this went on until 64. MKUltra, interestingly enough, not to spend too much time on it, but Richard Helms was the director.
01:22:08.000At the time, in the early 70s, and he and a guy named Gottlieb, Sidney Gottlieb, who was the head of technical services at the agency, they agreed that the smart thing to do in 73 before Richard Helms left and Gottlieb left the agency was to destroy all the records.
01:22:25.000So they purged all the records of MKUltra that they thought existed.
01:22:32.000This was investigated in the Church Committee back in 75. And then 76, I think it was, they found a bunch of financial records, you know, that had not been purged because they'd been kept, you know, audits of,
01:22:48.000and again, you're talking about like 149 subprojects of MK Alter.
01:22:52.000So you can imagine each subproject has its own Accounting and you got to turn in your receipts for the LSD that you bought or the hooker you paid off or whatever, you know, so here's my receipt.
01:23:00.000Can I have my $12 or whatever you paid for a hooker back then?
01:23:07.000But they found some financial records.
01:23:11.000And so that became then a matter of another investigation up on the Hill.
01:23:18.000And Stansfield-Turner, the time the CIA director testified at that point, And that's why I brought my laptop, is because Stansfield Turner's testimony is actually pretty interesting, as far as MKUltra goes.
01:23:32.000And he talks about, we've attempted to group the activities covered by the 149 subprojects into categories under descriptive headings.
01:23:41.000In broad outline, at least, this presents the contents of these files.
01:23:46.000The headings of the categories of all these various projects that ran under MKUltra, and this gives you a pretty good quick sense of what they were doing at the time.
01:23:55.000Research into the effects of behavioral drugs and alcohol.
01:23:58.000There were 17 sub-projects probably not involving human testing.
01:24:03.000This is a testimony from the director of the CIA, Stansfield-Turner.
01:24:06.00014 sub-projects definitely involving tests on human volunteers.
01:24:12.000Nineteen subprojects, probably including tests on human volunteers.
01:24:15.000While not known, some of these subprojects may have included tests on unwitting subjects as well.
01:24:41.000Studies of human behavior, sleep research, behavioral changes during psychotherapy, motivational studies, studies of defectors, assessment and training techniques, polygraph research, funding mechanisms for MKUltra external research activities,
01:24:57.000research on drugs, toxins, and biologicals in human tissue, activities whose subjectives cannot be determined from available documentation.
01:26:12.000Really, they didn't know what these substances would do to people, and there wasn't a lot of ways to find out.
01:26:18.000You know, the Harvard LSD studies that they did that they believe in part were responsible for the Unabomber, There's a lot of other shit that was responsible for the Unabomber, including particularly his childhood.
01:26:30.000But they did a lot of these studies because they didn't know.
01:26:46.000And unfortunately, yeah, what this ended up being was, you know, like using the most marginalized people out there, you know, like sex workers or prisoners or whatever.
01:27:17.000They had a new inspector general, and they looked and said, this is clearly not where we are supposed to be.
01:27:23.000But interestingly, funding mechanisms that were used to, again, to dole out grants or to provide a cutout between government and research that was being done, did some of those continue to exist for other programs,
01:27:40.000And in 1967, You know, you have the Summer of Love, San Francisco, and Tom O'Neill writes about this, and it's very, very interesting.
01:27:51.000But you had the Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic, which in part was running a couple of projects that were supposedly getting funding from The National Institute for Mental Health, which had previously been a funding mechanism also for MKUltra,
01:29:49.000Yeah, but I mean, again, I like the book because he does seem to be trying to let the facts of all his research lead the way rather than trying to prove a point that he comes up with at the beginning of his book.
01:30:04.000Well, he also exposed the prosecutor, Bugliosi, and all the issues that was going on with him that led to him wanting to follow the narrative that they had laid out, that Manson was trying to incite a race war and ignore all the other indicators that there was some deeper connections.
01:30:25.000Was Manson an informer for the Bureau or for local law enforcement or some other outfit?
01:30:49.000And he also seemed to employ the same techniques that apparently the CIA had employed when they had done experiments on prisoners, including the fact that he would, you know, force them into weird sexual situations and pretend to take LSD himself but not really participate and then,
01:31:06.000And he seemed to be doing things to them in terms of, like, trying to alter their behavior and getting them to do things that were outside the norm, including murder.
01:31:14.000Yeah, I mean, did he see, yeah, did he have a sense from his time there at the clinic or dealing with, what's his name, Roger Smith, his parole officer, who, again, was also a criminology doctor, a doctoral candidate, I guess, and so was, you know,
01:32:47.000Those times and the shift between the 50s and the 60s are maybe even a bigger cultural shift than we're experiencing now?
01:32:59.000Because it seems like when the hippies came around and all the drugs and free love and all that crazy shit in Woodstock, it almost seemed like that is even more of a radical change in culture than we're experiencing today.
01:33:14.000We're experiencing a lot of turmoil today, but so much of it you could attribute to the problems, the economic despair with COVID and the lockdown and then the George Floyd murder and the Black Lives Matter protests.
01:33:25.000There's so many different tangible factors that you could point to.
01:33:29.000Well, I think the pandemic is certainly a massive part of it, because if you think about it, and this in no way minimizes the importance of the protests and trying to get policing the way that everyone agrees it should be.
01:33:49.000You know, if everybody was working and we didn't have the pandemic, right, I would argue we wouldn't have seen the protests in Portland.
01:33:57.000We wouldn't have seen—there is this— Like we talked about earlier.
01:34:00.000Yeah, these people, they have too much free time.
01:34:15.000And I remember, shit, I remember my older sister, you know, down in the basement painting protest signs with a bunch of her friends, and they were going to head downtown to a protest, you know?
01:34:27.000And I had a brother, I had two brothers that were in the Vietnam War, and, you know, there was a lot of, you know, they were definitely at odds with each other, right?
01:34:36.000You know, here's my sister protesting the war, there's one of my brothers flying F-4s in the war, another medic, and Yeah, so it was a very tumultuous time.
01:34:48.000I don't think that's where we are now, so I agree with you.
01:35:31.000And I think the pandemic has given us all too much time to reflect on shit.
01:35:37.000Also, everyone's so scared that we're projecting it onto other subjects.
01:35:42.000And this fear and anxiety, it just accentuates or exacerbates all the other problems that we have.
01:35:49.000First of all, there's the financial fear, which doesn't seem like there's a way out of it.
01:35:53.000For a lot of people, for low-income people and people that are losing their jobs and people that are losing their businesses, there doesn't seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel.
01:36:04.000And we're very fortunate in that we've been able to ride out that side of it, right, with the economy and all that.
01:36:14.000But yeah, all the people – I mean look at the situation currently with just the unemployment and how quickly that took place, right?
01:36:23.000We were riding high as far as the economy goes just a handful of months ago.
01:36:27.000And now the number of people who are worried about, you know, do they have a roof over their head, you know, because maybe they're going to get evicted or, you know, what the fuck?
01:36:34.000Now I can go back to work, but I can't because my workplace isn't open anymore.
01:36:38.000Well, you used to hear that everyone is one paycheck away.
01:37:34.000They're bickering about, well, what do we do with the next bailout bill, or do we have one, or how much is it going to be a month?
01:37:40.000And you got people legitimately standing at the door wondering whether they have to leave their apartment or not, or whether they'll have a place to come home to, or how are they going to feed their kids?
01:37:50.000And you got these fucking idiot politicians who are just playing games with us, and it always happens, and They're paid.
01:37:59.000And if there's no consequence to them, then shit doesn't happen.
01:38:03.000I firmly believe that with Washington DC. Nothing happens in Washington unless the politicians personally feel as if there's some consequence to their situation, their position of power.
01:38:17.000They're acting as if, you know, there won't be any consequence.
01:38:21.000And so, you know, they're talking about, oh, we're going to be able to get this done before our August break.
01:38:25.000They're going to take an August break?
01:38:27.000I mean, I was stunned by that today when I was talking to somebody in D.C. And they said, yeah, well, they're trying to rush this through before the...
01:38:33.000Who takes a fucking break in, you know, in a pandemic?
01:38:49.000At the end of the day, it doesn't do any good to sit around and pitch and moan, but I think unless we have term limits and we have campaign finance reform, we're going to be talking about this forever.
01:39:57.000We did an episode on Advanced Aeronautic Threat Identification Program, AATIP. Which was the Pentagon's admitted, you know, came out and said, yes, we have a program that we ran a program, it's no longer in existence, called AATIP, which was designed to identify unidentified aviation threats,
01:43:48.000And I think if you wanted to prepare people, the best way to prepare people is to slowly give them signs that some shit is about to go down.
01:43:55.000And one of the best ways is to say, we have found things that are not of this world.
01:44:02.000Okay, think about that for a little while.
01:44:20.000Harry Reid said he believed crashes of vehicles from other worlds had occurred and that retrieved materials had been studied secretly for decades.
01:44:33.000Bob Lazar was in here and he said some things that were ridiculed but turned out to be absolutely true.
01:44:41.000One of the things that he said was that there was this element, this element 115, and that they had figured out a way to stabilize this element in these other planets and that's what they used.
01:44:52.000To propel these vehicles with a different kind of propulsion that manipulated gravity and it essentially had created some sort of a warp where they weren't subject to the same laws of physics with this propulsion system that we are with what we have which is just igniting fuel and pushing the explosion pushes the rocket into space.
01:45:18.000Which could explain sort of the Fravor sighting.
01:45:21.000Yeah, the way he described these vehicles in the 1980s and the early 1990s is exactly the way Fravor's vehicle worked.
01:45:31.000Exactly the way the gimbal video worked.
01:45:34.000These things, for whatever reason, they fly one way and then they turn sideways.
01:45:39.000Like if you had a plate, the plate turns up and down.
01:45:56.000But the fact that this guy talked about this in the early 90s, and then this is the exact video that the Pentagon refers to.
01:46:04.000That you actually see these objects that they can't explain, that don't give off a heat signal, that move in this exact same way at spectacular rates of speed.
01:46:13.000And then that's how the TikTok craft worked too.
01:48:37.000And I think that the AATIP program that the Pentagon was running You know, for the minimal cost of that compared to the cost of another air asset or, you know, platform of some sort, I think they should have kept it going, right?
01:48:50.000And they should have normalized to some degree because it's in our national security interest to know, have the Russians or have others developed materials, right?
01:49:40.000I mean, I feel like the new normal that we're experiencing right now in the pandemic, it really illuminated to me how easily human beings adapt to things.
01:50:26.000If you got a call from your girlfriend or whatever, when you were younger, you'd go and try to get as far away from your parents as you could.
01:51:32.000Now, as we're having this conversation about you, Muggsy walked by, and he's eight years old, and He walks by and he stops and he listens for a second and he goes, Rogan?
01:52:10.000Well, that's the other thing is, again, the idea that we've had visitors from another planet, but they just got bored with us or something, I don't know, and decided, nah, fuck it, it's not worth it.
01:52:41.000Whenever they hear I'm going to be doing this, I'm sure they probably think I'm going to come on and bash China.
01:52:45.000The China thing is an interesting one, right?
01:52:47.000I mean, it is a very interesting one right now because China's been buying up a lot of assets when they realized that the pandemic was kicking in.
01:52:56.000And there's a lot of companies that are – China owns a large stake in them now.
01:53:30.000By the time we get, and I'm sure it happens with your kids too, by the time you get hip to whatever trend they got, I just said hip, to whatever trend the kids have, they're two trends down the road.
01:53:46.000But the thing about the TikTok thing that's interesting, this is the tinfoil hat part, put that on again.
01:53:53.000There's always been this talk that Facebook helped Trump win the election.
01:53:58.000And they have been the least reluctant, the most reluctant, I should say, to censor Trump stuff.
01:54:06.000And there's a lot of people that think that Mark Zuckerberg is in some way, or Facebook is in some way responsible for getting Trump elected because they benefit from all the interaction.
01:54:16.000It's one of the last places where conservatives can freely discuss things, except the hydroxychloroquine thing.
01:55:01.000At least the U.S., Canada, what, Australia?
01:55:06.000New Zealand, you know, they'll take over those operations of TikTok.
01:55:09.000I don't know why that would be particularly appealing to Microsoft unless they take the whole global community of TikTok users, right?
01:55:17.000Which is whatever, 800 million, you know, I mean, there's got maybe 80 to 90 million or so in the U.S., But I think they want to get a deal done by September sometime.
01:55:27.000Well, Microsoft has missed the ball when it comes to mobile.
01:56:26.000And this is back when Android was really clunky and shitty.
01:56:28.000And that happens quick, too, though, because if you don't get in on the market, right, pretty quick, it's, you know, you're always playing catch-up.
01:56:39.000I look at the technology, I look at the phones, and...
01:56:45.000I'm not super excited about my kids having phones, but at the same time, then it becomes—it's less so during a pandemic—but it becomes a security issue in terms of I want to be able to track them and know where they are.
01:56:57.000And short of microchipping the kids, you know, then the phone is a pretty good way to know where they are.
01:57:03.000You just have to, as a parent, you just got to be on lockdown all the time with them, right?
01:57:07.000Because it's just a— You know, it's a window into a lot of shit that you don't want kids of that age to be paying attention to.
01:57:49.000I mean, we don't have nukes pointing at each other necessarily the way we did during the Soviet days.
01:57:54.000But yeah, we're in a Cold War with China right now, and that's not necessarily a bad thing, right?
01:57:59.000As long as we deal with it properly, right?
01:58:02.000And, you know, developing better trade protocols, developing a better understanding of Of their agenda, their interests, that's a good thing, as long as we do it, again, properly.
01:58:54.000Strengthening and building up the intel apparatus within China for his own purposes and further moving away from this idea that somehow China was going to have a rule of law.
01:59:51.000They essentially used the pandemic to decide to impose the same sort of restrictive laws that they have in the rest of China with Hong Kong.
01:59:59.000Where Hong Kong used to be under British law, and then was it in 97 it transferred over to China?
02:00:04.000Yeah, and it was going to be 2047. That was the playing field they had in Hong Kong up until 2047. What kind of goofy-ass deal did they negotiate where they gave it up in 97?
02:00:17.000Well, yeah, I mean, they really didn't have an option, so they felt that they were negotiating as best they could.
02:00:29.000There was a sense, I think, at the time that, look, we either do this and guarantee some runway for the people of Hong Kong with some pseudo-democracy, or, you know, China's just going to say, fuck you, get the hell out, and it's ours.
02:00:43.000I don't think China would have done that, because, look, they...
02:00:47.000They need Hong Kong as a legitimate financial capital, right?
02:00:51.000But I think what's going to happen now, given what they've just recently done, is they're going to turn Hong Kong at best into a pass-through for hard currency, basically.
02:01:01.000And you're going to see a lot of people moving out, not just expats and financial institutions.
02:01:09.000You're going to see a lot of the more successful and educated Hong Kong citizens who are running businesses there, who have been running businesses there, saying, fuck it, it's not worth it.
02:01:25.000And so, you know, I think the Chinese regime, I think, has probably fucked themselves over in a way, but it's just an indication of Xi's mindset.
02:04:12.000Bob Gates used to be the director of the agency, and he worked for a couple of administrations.
02:04:18.000And he said himself that Biden's never been on the right side of a foreign policy decision.
02:04:26.000So that's one area where, again, going back to what we talked about earlier, is if he's going to choose a vice president, I'd rather he choose somebody who's got as much national security and foreign policy experience as possible.
02:04:39.000Because I think that's one area where he's going to be lacking.
02:04:42.000Even though he says, oh, I've worked in foreign policy all my life.
02:06:46.000It goes right into a fucking IV. I think I heard there's something like 16 states would already technically be done by voting by September 29th.
02:06:55.000So they want to try to have some before that.
02:06:57.000But I think they're only supposed to have three or something.
02:07:39.000Until Trump talked about, you know, the problems with the post office and, you know, mail delivery and the idea that we're going to have mail-in ballots as opposed to absentee ballots, you know, before that...
02:07:53.0009 out of 10 people, that's not statistically accurate, but I'm sure a lot of people would have said, the fucking postal system, they can't deliver the mail.
02:08:00.000But now, because Trump comes out and says, it's going, oh my god, I love the postal system, and he's trying to destroy the postal system.
02:08:08.000It's like what he did with hydroxychloroquine.
02:08:20.000But can you imagine if we have an election where you do this and then you don't know the results for five or six or seven days because they're still counting ballots, right?
02:09:03.000The beauty of the elections in the past have been, by the end of the night, you got a winner, right?
02:09:09.000And now, if you don't know, and you can't tell me that, and it's not, you know, I'm just saying, the realities are, you got to be pragmatic.
02:09:17.000You want to go with all, you know, mail ballots or whatever?
02:09:21.000Hey, Just be aware of the fact that you could have a lot of problems, a lot of disqualified ballots because of a variety of reasons, a lot of lost ballots.
02:09:31.000And so if what you want to do is sow chaos and dissent and further this divide, then yeah, that's a pretty good way to do it.
02:09:40.000Or you can figure out how to fucking get everybody to the ballots, to the polling booths, and make that happen.
02:10:24.000And the thing is, if you could vote online, if people didn't have to physically go to a place, do you know how many more people would vote?
02:10:48.000Well, there's security issues related to that, as we all know, in terms of the hijacking or the security of the system that would be in place.
02:10:57.000Especially people who click on every fucking link someone sends them in a text message.
02:11:48.000And you're going to go to your voting polling places and we're going to put in place special times for elderly citizens to vote if they want to have a super safe environment.
02:11:57.000They can only vote just like you do at Costco.
02:12:00.000Costco in our area had like 7 to 9 a.m.
02:19:03.000Her idea was that guns are for bad people and you have a gun in the house, you're more likely to shoot each other and you don't need that in your life.
02:19:12.000And I think a lot of those friends that I have who have wives like that, they look at me like I'm a caveman.
02:19:19.000Like, oh, this dickhead, he likes to shoot elk with a bow and arrow, and he's always shooting guns, and he says he's a liberal, but I don't even believe him.
02:19:34.000Like, if some shit goes down, how many goddamn videos have you seen where two people are in a fight and neither one of them knows how to fight at all?
02:19:40.000Oh my god, it's a schoolyard slap fight.
02:22:35.000Because if your life's dependent on it and saving your family's life and you realize at that moment that you were wrong, you could get a gun safe, okay?
02:22:43.000It's not hard to keep everything safe.
02:25:04.000Typical training, depending on where you're at in certain places, it's very difficult to go out regularly, get to the range once a week, which is what you should be doing.
02:25:21.000It's muscle memory, but it deteriorates, unlike some things, right?
02:25:26.000It deteriorates quicker for a variety of reasons, but I can't emphasize it enough.
02:25:32.000So all those people that have rushed out in the past four months to buy weapons, you better be exercising that thing.
02:25:38.000Yeah, please find a place where you can go, please, and learn.
02:25:42.000And even if you don't shoot, and you make sure you understand how to tell if there's not a round in the chamber, understand dry firing, even if you're just going to dry fire.
02:25:54.000I have friends that are competitive shooters that if they don't shoot every day, they dry fire for 30 minutes every day.
02:27:07.000You know, it falls in the category of...
02:27:13.000Once again, kind of like what we talked about with MKUltra, the idea being initially it was a defensive concern over what are our enemies doing, right?
02:27:24.000And so the concepts behind remote viewing, much like the concepts behind understanding behavioral conditioning or false memories, creating new memories, It started because we were concerned about what the enemy was up to,
02:27:43.000and the enemy being the Soviets in the old days and the Chinese.
02:31:05.000But that ability to couch it in terms of...
02:31:08.000You know, we're fighting an existential threat, so we're doing this for national security.
02:31:12.000I mean, I think it can kind of make it easier for a person to overlook sort of the questions, the ethical questions, because you're doing it for patriotic reasons, but you've got nukes pointed at you from the other side, and you legitimately feel like, okay, we're going to do this.
02:31:27.000Anyway, I'm not sure where I was going with that.
02:31:29.000But yeah, the idea of super soldier, fascinating stuff.
02:31:34.000How far have they gotten with the exoskeleton shit?
02:31:36.000Well, I mean, they've got several prototypes, a handful of companies out there.
02:33:27.000And so all this data, sometimes that's not particularly helpful.
02:33:32.000But the ability to do it in the proper situation is very important.
02:33:36.000So there's a lot of research still going into that.
02:33:39.000It's just that the early days of remote viewing and other ways of creating a different type of warfighter, it's more a pedestrian effort right now.
02:33:52.000Again, Russians are engaged in the same thing.
02:33:55.000Chinese are engaged in the same thing.
02:33:57.000Just like we're all engaged in the race for hypersonic...
02:34:03.000I'm worried about genetic manipulation, because I'm worried that we're not going to do it, but they're going to do it first.
02:34:10.000And that, like, the idea of a super soldier, like using CRISPR or some of these gene editing tools, that that actually could be real.
02:34:17.000I mean, like, in a place like China, where you don't get to decide what you do for a living, they really could recruit a large number of people and sort of develop soldiers in that regard.
02:34:30.000Yeah, and I don't think that's in the realm of the impossible, and I don't think it's not being done.
02:34:44.000And you have a bunch of senators debating it.
02:34:46.000Meanwhile, in China, they're fucking full steam ahead.
02:34:50.000Yeah, and I think, and here's where it's interesting is because, you know, again, people listening or there'll be some folks listening going, well, you know, come on, fucking ethical.
02:34:58.000Of course the U.S. government's doing it.
02:35:15.000All by itself, an indication of how we're different, right, from the Russians or from the Chinese.
02:35:23.000You think the Chinese are going to hold some, you know, in their committee hearings, you know, they're going to call to the carpet the PLA intel operators and say, well, what have you been doing?
02:37:02.000A very good friend of mine who was a homicide detective in the UK's Met Police, he works with me now in my business, Diligence, Diligence USA, for all your information and security needs.
02:37:18.000He never talked about a psychic ever being brought in, and he handled a lot of cases.
02:38:22.000Maybe if you just follow the right techniques and get yourself in the right mindset, you have access to information that's not available any other way.
02:38:28.000And hypnosis, again, was part of the MKUltra sub-projects, right?
02:38:32.000And it's because there was concern that the enemy had this research or that they were making headway.
02:38:40.000And so, again, a lot of things that develop initially, it's because it's a defensive response, because we learn something about what some hostile entity is doing.
02:38:50.000And then you have to move immediately to, okay, well, do we need this for offensive purposes?
02:38:55.000Because if they're doing it, Do we need to have that capability?
02:38:58.000And I'd always argue, certainly when you go into the realm of cyber warfare, yeah, you better have that capability, you know, both sides.
02:39:06.000Well, that's where things like that neural link technology is very interesting, because if somehow or another you really can communicate with someone who's not there without using any words, Which is what Elon said to me.
02:39:18.000He goes, you're going to be able to talk without using words.
02:39:20.000Well, if you can do that at a distance, like if you can literally guide someone, like say if you got someone who's on a mission in Afghanistan, and you are watching on a satellite, and you can guide them without giving them any noise, without saying anything to them.
02:39:35.000And you can give them all the data, whether it's through augmented reality, like glasses or something like that.
02:39:40.000Save a lot of lives and get a lot of jobs done.
02:41:55.000All these people out of work in production companies and all the independent contractors who don't have jobs because nothing's filming and nobody knows how to film and they don't want to take on the insurance.
02:42:10.000I think what a lot of they're doing is quarantining people, testing them and quarantining them, forcing them to stay on set, quarantining them in a hotel they've rented out, things along those lines.
02:42:21.000I know Tyler Perry has been real successful at doing that, but he's smart.
02:42:25.000He's got his own studios, he's got his own setup, and he just has everybody locked down at the place where they're filming.
02:42:32.000Yeah, but I mean, all those people that don't have that option, right?
02:42:36.000I mean, they're just like, I know a lot of folks that are, you know, working as, you know, camera operators or sound men or just, you know, anything in the business, and they're just, yeah, they're fucked.
02:42:45.000Well, for the longest time, the UFC was the only sports entity that was functioning.
02:42:50.000I mean, and we've been doing shows at the UFC for several months now.