Joe Rogan is leaving Los Angeles. And it's not just leaving the city, he's leaving the country. It's a strange time to be a comedian in LA, and a weird time to leave the city. Joe talks about his departure, and the chaos that's happening around him, and how he's dealing with it. Joe also talks about the growing problem of homeless people in the big cities, and why he thinks we should decriminalize drugs in order to stop them from getting high everywhere else. Joe Rogan Experience is a comedy podcast hosted by a stand-up comedian and podcaster from Los Angeles, California. It premiered on Comedy Central on October 31st, 2019. The show is now available on all major podcast directories including Podcoin, Crackle, and Vimeo. Thanks for listening and Good Luck Out There, and Happy New Year, everyone! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. Make sure to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts! If you like what you're listening, please leave us a review and tell a friend about what you think of the show. We'll be looking out for the next episode! Thank you so much for all the support, and we really appreciate it. Peace, Love, Blessings, Eternally grateful, Cheers, EJ & Cheers. -Eddie and Joe - The Crew at The Crew. Cheers! - EJ and Joe Rogans and the Crew at the Crew and Cheers at The Rogans Experience. -- XOXOz and the Rogans Crew at Sisyphus at the J&R Project. xoxo - The Rogan Project ( ) xo. (A.J. is a podcast by EJ is a big thank you for all your support and support is so much love and appreciation, Joe and the rest of the Crew is grateful for your support is much more than you can do the work that you're giving us a chance to help us out here. Thank you for being a little bit more than that can do this, thank you, Joe says so much of the work you do so much, Joe's work is appreciated and we appreciate it, and so much so much more. XO, Joe Ransomes at the rest is more than appreciated.
00:00:34.000I keep thinking back to when we first became friends and the strange path Since from there to here and all our predictions and all the things that we we never would have imagined this you know specifically like that there would be this fucking global pandemic that we would suddenly be like Some kind of like,
00:01:03.000refugee is way too dramatic a word for it, but suddenly just part of this diaspora of comedians pouring out of L.A. And not just comedians, but just people leaving, man.
00:01:17.000I talked to Joey today from New Jersey.
00:01:33.000But I was still like, you know, maybe we'll stick around and see what happens.
00:01:37.000And then, like, I'd been getting all these, you know, the problem with me is, like, I get weird vibes all the time.
00:01:43.000And, like, the last I was on here, I legitimately thought a meteor was going to hit the earth.
00:01:48.000I really thought that, so I worked very hard on not listening to that part of me most of the time, but I was getting this real weird vibe from LA, and I'm like, come on, man, you're just superstitious.
00:02:29.000Dude, it's like, yeah, it's not just any one thing.
00:02:34.000You know, it's not just like some of the stuff I get, stuff had to get shut down, and because stuff was shut down, it got a little more weathered than usual.
00:02:42.000And it's like, you know, the homeless encampments.
00:02:57.000Well, that's where I'm eating shit a little bit because I do still believe that we need to decriminalize drugs, that the drug policy's bullshit, the way we're handling it's all wrong.
00:03:12.000There used to be a way that they could get people who are like camping out on the streets.
00:03:17.000And a lot of the times that was possession of like illegal drugs.
00:03:20.000And because that stuff got removed, suddenly you were witnessing like, holy shit, man, there's people who are making like real drugs.
00:03:32.000A rational decision from the perspective of a heroin addict, which is they love heroin so much.
00:03:38.000You know that Doug Stanhope joke, some things are better than life?
00:03:55.000Now, I could be wrong about that, but that is what I've heard is one of the reasons these people are staying out in the street is not because they don't want to be in a shelter.
00:04:02.000It's because they don't want to be prevented from getting high.
00:04:06.000And so this has produced this, like...
00:04:09.000Situation in a lot of the big cities, which is we're seeing like massive tent cities.
00:04:15.000And by the way, the tent city thing, aesthetically, it's not the best look.
00:04:21.000But the stuff that I began to experience in Echo Park, man, I took my kid to the playground, right?
00:04:27.000And there's like a dude that looks like he emerged from a time portal, from an apocalypse.
00:05:20.000And you know, it's like, so obviously we didn't go to the playground, but that was, you know, my, you know, it was not uncommon in that area to see completely naked people.
00:05:31.000Just not that that's bad, but not naked like the way- Covered in dirt, wandering aimlessly.
00:06:44.000Everybody's moved here from somewhere else.
00:06:47.000Everybody thinks they can go somewhere else and they can and they probably will.
00:06:50.000I mean, I, you know, we all came from, you were North Carolina, I came from New York at the time.
00:06:56.000We all, everybody who comes to LA in show business, God, what are the percentage of, like, how many do we know that are just straight LA? Like, Christina Pazitsky, she's straight LA. Yeah.
00:07:57.000The whole place is based on creating an identity that you somehow monetize or a studio monetizes your identity or something.
00:08:05.000It was something magical and beautiful in all of that, but It seems like there's a real emperor-wears-no-clothes thing happening right now, not just in LA. I feel bad talking shit about LA because, man, she's been so good to both of us.
00:08:54.000Because like New York, and I used to think it's always because they're educated, you know, and educated people are more likely to be compassionate, and compassionate people are more likely to be Democrats.
00:09:05.000But there's a balance that has to be achieved.
00:09:08.000And when the shit hits the fan, you need law and order.
00:09:12.000And I think that some people who are Democrats, who are progressive people, they don't understand that aspect of human nature.
00:09:20.000Or they want to deny that aspect of human nature.
00:09:22.000Like when the mayor of Seattle was dealing with that whole six-area lockdown, small little country that they had...
00:09:44.000Some people took over other people's businesses with force.
00:09:48.000Just because they think the way you think, or they subscribe to liberal ideas like you, like you're a liberal too, so this is like your gang of thugs that you have to support when they take over other people's businesses?
00:09:59.000No, we have to be able to call out everybody.
00:10:01.000And just because somebody is on your side...
00:10:05.000You can't let them take over city blocks and just institute their own government and then say it's the summer of love.
00:12:09.000And what's so beautiful about it is it's this idea of, like, I think together, We can do something new that's going to be better than anything that happened before.
00:12:20.000And from that spirit, you get all great innovation that goes across all political ideologies, right?
00:12:27.000So to me, you know, and they always call it, I've always loved that they call it the American experiment.
00:12:32.000Fucking love that, man, because it's an experiment.
00:12:34.000It's like, let's see what we could do here together.
00:12:36.000And for an experiment to work, We need to be able to look at what didn't work in the experiment and improve upon it.
00:12:44.000Now, that being said, it's like for me, I've been trying to like pull myself out of the even though I identify as a progressive, I'm going to vote Democrat.
00:13:35.000Trump is such a polarizing figure and he doesn't seem to have much empathy, if any.
00:13:42.000You don't know who he is really because you don't talk to him privately, but his public persona is that of a winner who doesn't give a fuck and you're fired.
00:13:49.000I mean, that's a non-empathetic perspective.
00:13:52.000And we associate people who support him with also lacking empathy.
00:13:57.000Then you add into it children in cages at the border and you see those videos.
00:14:02.000You know what bothered me more than anything about the kids in cages?
00:14:05.000There was one video that really bothered me where Mike Pence went to visit.
00:14:10.000Like he's on the ground, like next to the cages.
00:14:17.000Now, apparently these cages had been put up through Obama, and that's what's interesting about this whole border wall and border discussion and immigration discussion, because Obama, particularly when he was running for president, he was very tough on illegal immigration.
00:14:31.000I mean, he said a lot of the same things that Trump said.
00:14:34.000If you listen to the speeches that Obama said, people believed him and agreed with him because it wasn't a Republican talking point.
00:16:00.000He keeps winnings on like a seven fight win streak and now he's like a top ten contender in the UFC and He could have been one of those dudes.
00:16:06.000That's right See this this this is not these are just people that are in a fucking terrible place They're trying to get out putting him in cages like it just it's a bad look and it's an even worse Imagine you're that guy who comes over from Ecuador and you're in this cage and you see Pence He could touch him You could touch him.
00:16:25.000If that cage wasn't there, you could reach over and touch him on the shoulder.
00:22:21.000Dude, he's, no, we got, we took our money to buy acid, and then he's like, we could sell this acid and buy more acid, and then, you know, we're like, yeah, let's do it, and then he sold the acid, I guess, and then we were going to buy more.
00:23:11.000So we had to sit there and be taught how someone will fuck you up.
00:23:16.000Something would cost three bucks, and they'll give you a 20. And they'll say, hey, can you give me a 10 and a 5, and then the rest in quarters?
00:24:06.000And there's guys that are, I don't know if they're at that level, but there's guys at a level that you or I can't perceive, and they'll steal your watch.
00:24:14.000There's guys who can get your watch off.
00:26:35.000I'm saying the problem is that our tactic as Americans is not supposed to be we listen to the state And get our cues about how to be good people from the state.
00:26:45.000As Americans, what we do is we have basic fundamental ideas that are really fucking beautiful.
00:26:52.000One of them being that we believe that people have a right to be free and seek their own personal happiness.
00:27:23.000So if you're a government official here, and you're doing a thing that's making it all divided and fucked up, and you're telling lies, and you're shaming people for telling the truth, it doesn't matter if you're a Republican or a Democrat.
00:27:35.000Whatever you are is, as far as I'm concerned, anti-American.
00:27:38.000Which is like, man, Americans, and fuck anybody who gets mad at me for saying this, Americans are beautiful people.
00:27:44.000We both tour, we get to meet people all over the fucking place and talk to them, and they're always generally wonderful.
00:27:50.000Yes, some of them will take your fucking watch.
00:29:01.000Not everything works on everybody, but there's a lot of people that vibe with his fucking real cartoonish version of being the boss, right?
00:29:10.000It's not a bring everybody together thing.
00:33:04.000Well, you know, and that's the other thing.
00:33:05.000If, like, let's say you're at the Venice Boardwalk and some son of a bitch dressed like Uncle Sam comes and asks you that, you're gonna, like, go the other direction.
00:33:15.000Maybe if you get out of Nicaragua, man!
00:33:17.000Yeah, yeah, but he was actually somebody who's really into Buckminster Fuller, and I think that was something Buckminster Fuller put out there, which is like, this question is very important, and you should ask yourself this as an individual, because if you think world peace is possible...
00:33:33.000Even if you acknowledge that maybe right now it's not possible, but if you can invent in your mind some technology, or even if you can invent in your mind like an X, like an algebra for a thing you don't have the space for yet, but it could be.
00:33:45.000If there's any sense in you at all that world peace is possible, then from that point forward, You should be part of whatever it is that's going to make us have that great utopian ideal that transcends American borders.
00:34:01.000That's the other problem, is the American dream thing.
00:34:04.000It's not the American dream, it's the human dream.
00:34:07.000The human dream is the intuition we all have that there's a way for us to be on the planet together that doesn't involve blowing each other up.
00:34:18.000I just don't know how to get there necessarily, but I think it's possible.
00:34:23.000And one thing's for sure, whenever you get a Trump or any fucking pundit blowing out divisive shit into people's brains, if there's like a scale, one side's world peace, one side's chaos, they're dropping their pebbles on the chaos part of the scale.
00:34:41.000And it's like- Why do you think They're doing that.
00:34:43.000Because, man, let me tell you, there's a lot of money to be made in fucking chaos, man.
00:35:23.000He had a he had a thing there like a moment like an Eisenhower moment not quite as eloquent But when Eisenhower was on television he warned people about the military-industrial complex as he was leaving office That's to this day like one of the most profound speeches I've ever seen because yeah It gives me a chill because I think well this is black and white from how many fucking years ago?
00:35:42.000Yeah, if this shit was going on then it's not like it stopped going on didn't stop See, one of the reasons why we're in such a fucked up space politically is because this is the first time where politics have been really exposed to the general public by the internet.
00:35:58.000Like, you have a different access to politics than you never had before.
00:37:30.000All you're doing is creating this, like, you're going to create a reaction to that.
00:37:35.000And the reaction is going to be a celebration of every single thing with your great, vast, elite intelligence deriding, you know?
00:37:42.000And so I think, you know, that's the problem.
00:37:44.000It's like, it's just there's nothing worse Than when people who are legitimately smart, have read a bunch of fucking books, have got master's degrees, have not developed enough compassion to understand that just about every single person on the planet wants to be happy,
00:38:02.000wants to have a full stomach, Doesn't want to hurt anybody and would run into a building on fire to save somebody.
00:38:22.000These people were born into houses filled with fucking methamphetamine smoke.
00:38:26.000Whose parents were like, you know, absolutely fucking insane and they still managed to get out and get a job and have a fucking life and pay taxes.
00:38:34.000And now your fucking ass is going to tell these people who didn't have the fucking trust fund that you had that got you into the fucking Ivy League University that they're fucking idiots.
00:38:56.000It's time to let go of the whole snooty thing.
00:39:00.000Also, on the other side, it's time to let go of every single one of these people must be burning candles to Moloch in their backyard thing, too.
00:39:08.000Let's let go of all those stories for a second.
00:39:11.000I'm not saying there aren't people burning candles to Moloch.
00:39:59.000I think that if you go looking for those things and that's all you look for and you look for them all the time, you can get real paranoid and real crazy.
00:40:05.000And then there's also a bunch of people that are trying to stop you from doing that because you do expose some crazy shit.
00:40:10.000You know, he was talking about Epstein a long time ago.
00:40:28.000I think this tape was actually made before I met him.
00:40:30.000So he went and snuck in to this place where former presidents go.
00:40:35.000There's a photograph of Ronald Reagan with Herbert Walker Bush and a couple other people all standing around.
00:40:41.000And it's like these are the people that used to hang out at this place and they would put on robes and they would worship an owl god and they would burn an effigy.
00:40:51.000And Alex snuck in and made video footage of this shit.
00:40:57.000So they're in with these bankers and former presidents, and they're dressed like druids, and some guy brings over something that's an effigy that's supposed to be a body, a wrapped up effigy.
00:41:09.000It's also a bunch of sticks in a blanket, but it's shaped like a body.
00:41:13.000And they drop it on the fire, and they're all worshipping an owl god.
00:43:49.000I've heard you guys are pretty awesome.
00:43:50.000Actually, what I've heard is the idea was to get a bunch of hardcore neocons together and then mix some artists in, in the hopes that, like, having, like, brushing shoulders with artists would in some way, shape, or form loosen some people up a little bit.
00:44:04.000And I've also heard you have a tram that connects campsites there to other campsites, meaning you just get in the tram and suddenly you're hanging out with Dick Cheney.
00:44:42.000I was reading the book of Mark today regarding the parable of the sower.
00:44:45.000But that being said, I don't think it's fair necessarily to tell people they can't worship an owl or burn an effigy in front of an owl in some kind of symbolic, magical ritual that represents the disintegration of your negative energy or whatever it may be.
00:45:30.000I'm not trying to throw any Satanists under the bus, but I'm just saying like this idea that we can't have alternate Pagan religions in our country without immediately being associated with human sacrifice or child abuse, I think that goes against the American spirit.
00:45:45.000It's like, look, because people don't want to subscribe to your particular very popular global religion doesn't necessarily implicate them in something that is truly a horror, which is human trafficking.
00:46:00.000It's like, man, we got to be a little bit more nuanced in our conceptualization of these people.
00:46:05.000Again, I don't know what's going on at the fucking Bohemian Grove, but from what I've heard, it's basically a summer camp for billionaires where they try to get artists in there to loosen them up a little bit.
00:46:43.000If it involves hurting kids, it's a big deal.
00:46:45.000And if these motherfuckers are doing anything that involves human sacrifice, hurting human beings, in any application of that, then it's the worst thing on Earth, and I'm so sorry that I said anything about it.
00:48:14.000I can find it if I have a chance to look at my laptop.
00:48:17.000It was something about him talking about the powers that run the world and that they all have something on each other and that's how they all can stay together.
00:48:41.000Like maybe it's like one of those rituals where you get together, your dad thinks it's hilarious, and you both put your hoods on, you go out there and you burn the owl, or you burn the sticks in front of the owl.
00:48:50.000And what's fun is that you're not supposed to be doing it, and it's a secret, but nothing really is happening.
00:49:40.000I know that my tendency whenever I have a question mark is to assign malevolence to it just out of a basic kind of weakness in my own bias.
00:49:50.000If I don't know what a thing is, like when you're waiting for the doctor to call regarding some scan they just did on you, if you have the slightest fear of death or any kind of bias in you, then that space in between when you Maybe we're overlooking this.
00:50:05.000Maybe it's like their version of renaissance fair and people just want to escape reality and pretend that they live with Moloch the owl god and throw a fucking hood over your head and yes please and peace be with you.
00:50:16.000Yeah I mean it could be some kind of like pagan celebration.
00:50:21.000You know, and if you look back at like the history of paganism or hedonism, Terence McKenna does such a great job talking about the Elucidian mysteries and the, you know, all these like things that aren't really quite as accessible as the main religions of the world.
00:50:35.000All the religions of the world, they have this beautiful...
00:50:40.000Quality in them, depending on the religion, and generally one of the qualities that's so beautiful is a mechanism of self-forgiveness and a mechanism of purification, a general assessment of the human condition as being somewhat depraved.
00:50:54.000The puking in ayahuasca, you're purging yourself from your darkness.
00:50:59.000The confession booth in Catholicism, maybe you could say in Gnosticism like true Gnosis, or in Buddhism like connecting with the It goes on and on.
00:51:12.000There's a way for us to ritualistically create, if you want to be a pure scientific materialist, a beautiful placebo effect.
00:51:24.000That gets you to drop some of your neurotic qualities or at the very least reset your intention to make the world a better place.
00:51:31.000And anything, whatever that, I don't care what the fuck it is, whatever it may be, if that's what it's all about is a recognition like, man, you beat yourself up every day.
00:55:58.000The thing about people saying things that other people disagree with when they want to silence those people is you don't think that other people are as smart as you.
00:56:05.000You're thinking that's going to work on other people.
00:56:08.000If someone's saying that the earth is flat and there's lizard people that control the sunrise, you'd go, okay.
00:56:28.000That's the weird thing about COVID, because it's the one thing where you're not allowed to do that anymore.
00:56:34.000Because if you do anything that goes against the government bylines, anything that goes against what the World Health Organization thinks you should do or CDC thinks you should do, you get kicked off of YouTube.
00:56:47.000Whether you're right or wrong, it's the one thing where you can't talk crazy.
00:56:51.000You can talk crazy about the Earth being hollow.
00:56:53.000You could talk about beings that are made out of light that fly in and out of our consciousness, and that's responsible for all of our ideas.
00:57:01.000And you could talk about how there's an application that's coming in 2023. It's right now being vetted by the NSA to make sure that we can use it so we can communicate with the aliens.
00:57:09.000You can have all these wacko videos where you're making shit up and no one cares.
00:57:12.000But if you say that masks don't help, And what we need to do is get healthier.
00:58:17.000But I think what happened probably is like people realize like, God, like what we've got, like you talk about this sometimes, man, the nightmare when, and it will happen when primates Figure how to use friction to make fire.
00:59:13.000You know so similarly like with the internet we have this new fire and like people who are like in the conduits of the fire or I think they're they're having this really rotten come to Jesus moment where they're like because I think a lot of these especially if you look in the Silicon Valley these people are freaks the early day like the people making technology they're nuts I've seen you that Steve Jobs thing with him in a commune or whatever these people are fucking crazy but I think they're recognizing that like The
00:59:47.000Yeah, and they're starting to understand that because of them, because of their intentional manipulative coding, because of their deep study of BF Skinner and behaviorism, they've produced this hyper-seductive, semi-sentient information dispersal device that is driving people who don't have We're good to go.
01:00:34.000Google and YouTube and as much as like, you know, and I do think censorship is fucked.
01:00:38.000I would hate to be in anybody's position there because on one hand, you're looking at like a very liberal, very beautiful idea, which is like everyone should be allowed to say whatever they want to say.
01:00:49.000And then it's meeting like, well, but what about these hyper charismatic, seductive people who like Hitler?
01:00:59.000So now you run into this terrible place of like, and also we know that there's people who don't quite have the ability to discern what's real from what's not.
01:01:08.000But we allow, this is my beef, we allow some of that because we allow evangelists.
01:01:15.000I heard Robert Tilden on one of his shows.
01:01:17.000He goes, every time you write a check to me, Satan gets a black eye.
01:03:52.000But, like, and I'm sorry if it's not you and I'm getting confused here, but the, I just remember she smoked and we, like, there was smoke in the car.
01:04:00.000I would ride in the car with him on trips and he would smoke and you'd breathe in the smoke.
01:04:06.000And again, this is always the problem, which is clearly there has to be some regulatory principle in the world if there are people who steal watches.
01:04:18.000That means there's going to be groups of people who get together and talk about better ways to steal watches.
01:04:23.000If there's groups of people who get together and talk about better ways to steal watches, and then we create a way for them to form a thing called a corporation.
01:04:52.000And then we start pouring money into people who are against tobacco, knowing if we can make tobacco illegal but keep the vape pens legal, we're going to become the new tobacco!
01:06:22.000I think it's like the way people make hash varies.
01:06:25.000In some people, there's a healthy way to make it.
01:06:28.000Obviously, the way using the most chemicals is the cheapest.
01:06:32.000There's certain types of hash that you, I think, are derived, and again, my friends out there, look, I don't know, but it's something like butane.
01:06:38.000Someone told me this at a marijuana store.
01:06:41.000I can't remember what, but yeah, man, it's like cheaper.
01:07:24.000Olive oil is more something that you'd like to saute with, but other oils like avocado oil or beef fat, that stuff is amazing because you can get it really fucking hot and it has a very, very high temperature where it turns to smoke.
01:07:53.000If you're using a vape pen with some really shitty canola oil and you're getting that burnt spray inside your lungs, that could be terrible for you.
01:08:09.000And you watch as the pharmacist dispenses the drugs, how careful he is, right?
01:08:14.000They are so careful in their administration of these pills, because they know if for one second you give someone Xanax when they were supposed to get penicillin, you killed somebody, right?
01:08:50.000I'm saying, like, the general, like, in America and anywhere, the general sense is, I'm gonna eat it if you give it to me, especially if it's in a colorful box.
01:09:48.000Suddenly we have a hyper, a way to super connect with every single person on the planet, but not just connect with every person on the planet.
01:09:55.000We have an artificial intelligence based on a neural network, I don't understand how it works, suggesting who you should connect with You know what I mean?
01:10:05.000It's like, is the internet, the technological thalidomide, are we looking at- I think so.
01:10:12.000Is that what we're dealing with right now?
01:10:14.000I think we're on a spaceship and we haven't quite figured out how to slow it down or where the brakes are or how to go left or right.
01:10:20.000But the spaceship is being propelled by thoughts and ideas and social media and world events and drugs and sex and politics and power and control and it's all just hurling through space and while it's all happened we haven't quite figured out where the brakes are or what's the best way to be Harmonious with each other.
01:10:40.000So we're all in this constant battle for control thinking that once we get in control, we're gonna set this fucking ship straight and everybody's gonna be cool.
01:10:49.000We're gonna be- finally we're gonna get along because your side won, but you're still gonna have half the fucking country that hates you, half the country that doesn't agree with you, half the country that has to like be really tolerant in order to engage you in any of your ideas and admit that you're right,
01:11:09.000I think a lot of the people that have ideas in one way, if they could just talk to people...
01:11:14.000In the realm of the area where they have disagreement, I bet they could work it out.
01:11:20.000I think the problem is more people not talking than anything.
01:11:23.000Joe, tell me about the spaceship idea some more.
01:11:27.000Knowing you like I know you, I wonder if you're saying that metaphorically?
01:11:32.000It is metaphorically, but it's also actual.
01:11:35.000We are on a spaceship, whether we like it or not.
01:11:38.000We're spinning a thousand miles an hour, and we're driving through infinity at a pace that if it was small and it passed by you, you would go, holy fuck!
01:11:49.000If the Earth was the size of a baseball, and it whipped by you in real time, the way it's moving through the universe, you would be like, FUCK! That's what the Earth's doing.
01:14:54.000And that, that is why it's what you're saying is so beautiful, because it's the same thing, which is like, you know, like, this planet, we're so lucky to be on a planet going that fast.
01:15:07.000And like, we're so lucky to get a chance a little Peephole into time.
01:15:18.000I mean, for the people that are struggling right now financially or struggling with their health, it doesn't, you know, it doesn't register with you.
01:15:25.000But I think for the people that aren't fucked by this, there is a moment where we get to realize like, oh, okay, we were taking this for granted.
01:15:34.000We thought we had all this thing wired in.
01:16:55.000It creates a lot of depression, creates a lot of suicide, creates a lot of drug abuse, creates a lot of turmoil and a lot of mental health issues.
01:17:57.000You're going to have the general manager come in and you're going to have the waitstaff come in.
01:18:01.000Now, the waitstaff have been living off of unemployment benefits supplied by the federal government that sometimes are more than like what they were making at the place.
01:19:40.000And like, it sucks because I loved going there and it's like, but you know, the thing is like a lot of people, it's not time to go back to work because if there is a true risk that from making minimum wage, you're going to get a disease that probably won't kill you because you're a waiter at Applebee's.
01:19:57.000You're taking your vitamins, but you might be living with your...
01:19:59.000My aunt who has Alzheimer's disease and you're gonna fucking kill her because you picked up a little bit of it and the reason you're gonna kill her is because you had to go back to work because your benefits got cut off.
01:20:09.000So it's like this is why it's a very complex fucked up problem that really it's like yes for me a person I'm doing great.
01:20:53.000I've talked about this before, but we should tell people.
01:20:55.000Duncan and I were in Galveston, Texas, and we went to the Center for Disease Control and went to the very place where they experiment on Ebola and all these crazy diseases that kill you instantly.
01:21:07.000And Duncan and I were in this building and we were watching.
01:21:12.000That takes you there's like another window behind that that's like this plexiglass sealed room and they have like spacesuits on and tubes and I'm like hold on hold on so there's some shit in there that can kill everybody like a hundred percent Like it's right there and they were doing tests on it.
01:21:29.000And so these people are wearing like space suits and they're walking around with these horrific world-killing diseases.
01:22:01.000That's because it takes time to get to the airport, and by the time you get to the airport, the absurdity of it all just kicks in in full steam.
01:22:08.000Because it's like, I have no control at the airport.
01:22:10.000The airport is a place where you just want to give up complete control, and when you're super duper duper high, that's a fun ride.
01:22:53.000This was one that I really loved, because I didn't get a chance to be with you, so I got to watch it, you know, like from the clips and see what it was like when you went to that.
01:23:14.000I would have totally done it, but I think it was when there was a bunch of things we were trying to film and we were short on time, so we couldn't do things together.
01:23:21.000But remember we did the Skinwalker Ranch one together?
01:23:27.000The problem was when we got there, right when we got there, we heard this preposterous story from this person who threw a cigarette on the ground after he- That's what set you off!
01:24:29.000It's like, you know, most people when they do these shows, they're not going into it thinking like, I'm actually going to uncover something.
01:24:37.000They don't go into it thinking they're going to uncover something.
01:24:39.000They go into it thinking, this is all a bunch of bullshit, and I'm going to be like, or maybe they think maybe it's real or whatever, but the main thing is, they...
01:25:22.000Maybe all that stuff that they were telling us, they really truly believe.
01:25:27.000But they were talking about bulletproof wolves that appear out of mist and all this stuff.
01:25:31.000To me, that moment was when the show went south.
01:25:33.000And what was really funny was the last thing the sci-fi network wanted was for you to actually begin to realize that maybe we're not going to find UFOs.
01:25:45.000And they started getting unhappy, I think, with the situation.
01:26:22.000I don't remember that because I was already given up on that point.
01:26:25.000I noticed a pad, unfortunately, and I feel real bad, but it was really a personal thing because I was dealing with my own nonsense.
01:26:33.000My own inclivity, my own inclination to believe ridiculous stories, even today, like with the Pentagon story about them having recovered a craft not made from this world.
01:26:46.000I'm like, please don't let it be a misquote.
01:26:48.000I don't want to read the misquote, man.
01:26:50.000So I know that there's a real pull to believing in bullshit.
01:26:55.000There's a real pull to manipulating the actual facts of Roswell so that it appears the government absolutely 100% colluded to keep the alien crash from the general public and there's no way it could be a weather balloon.
01:27:08.000I don't know if that's right, man, because I know it in myself.
01:29:21.000First of all, what kind of computer are you working with that you're going to have to take your pinky and drop it in to get truth out of it?
01:31:58.000Yeah, that's the funny thing about the human sentient projection into time.
01:32:03.000It's like, we're probably like the little toe of the universe, you know?
01:32:08.000Like, we have just enough realization to know that we're something, we're this hilarious intersection of like, you know, meat and what appears, like a real feeling of like, you know, I do feel like, bias aside, if there isn't a part of you that hasn't like really come to the conclusion that there seems to be a part of you that doesn't Get touched by reality,
01:32:28.000some eternal part of you that has met time and space.
01:32:33.000I feel like most people get that sense.
01:32:39.000But, you know, to me, I think maybe what we are in this little temporary, whatever it may be, whether it's an aquarium, whether it's a training facility, I think it's probably a training facility, I don't think it's that.
01:33:11.000If you look at the human race in terms of what it makes, What does it do?
01:33:16.000At the end of the day, if you have these bees and they have all these different social things they do and all these different things they do for covering territory and ground and all these different aspects of being a bee and laying the larva inside the honeycomb, what do they do?
01:33:59.000I'm obsessed with cell phones, and I'm obsessed.
01:34:03.000I love Unbox Therapy or any of those shows.
01:34:08.000Marcus Brownlee, when they're doing these Unbox videos and talking about the newest, latest, and greatest technology, and they're showing these 120 hertz screens and these fucking cameras with 100x optical zoom.
01:34:23.000We're moving ourselves closer and closer to some kind of technological superiority.
01:34:28.000And along the way, we're losing our humanity.
01:34:29.000And that's the weirdest, most ironic part of it.
01:34:32.000Along the way, we've never been in a greater technological era.
01:34:38.000If you look in terms of the things that are consumer electronics that get released right now, whether it's laptops or iPhones or Samsung Notebook, 20s or whatever the fuck they are.
01:36:53.000I think that if you think about a cell phone, right?
01:36:56.000I mean, obviously there's a collaborative effort involving a lot of people that understand all sorts of different aspects of technology, but ultimately it has to be an idea.
01:37:03.000Someone has to have the idea to come up with the original Motorola phone, the fucking brick, and then they had the idea to innovate and keep getting better and better.
01:37:10.000And these ideas eventually lead to this thing that can open your car door, turn your lights on, your house, you can FaceTime your kids.
01:37:18.000It's a crazy, crazy, crazy thing, and it's all coming out of ideas.
01:37:59.000They might very well be a part of that.
01:38:01.000And the healthier your mind is, the more you're able to live with ideas, the more you're able to bounce ideas around, like ideas as a life form.
01:38:09.000If you use antibacterial soap all over your body all the time, you get sick.
01:39:29.000Which is like, listen to like Kid Charlamagne by Steely Dan.
01:39:32.000It's all about one of the great Owsley, one of the great LSD chemists of our time, who I met his wife and I asked her this question, like, why is acid not as good as it used to be in the 60s?
01:39:46.000And her response was, people aren't perfectionists anymore, honey.
01:41:35.000It's a very powerful Beautiful, wonderful thing that exists on the planet that anyone could have access to, especially if they, like, stop this ridiculous prohibition and lifted the prohibition.
01:41:49.000I'm not saying, like, don't prohibit heroin.
01:42:44.000So, out of all these years, Greg's like, dude, this guy you need to have on.
01:42:48.000This guy researched Charles Manson for 20 fucking years.
01:42:52.000He was originally just writing an article.
01:42:54.000He was writing an article, but as he's writing this article, he starts uncovering more and more crazy shit, and he goes deeper and deeper into this, where 20 fucking years later, he finally puts out this book.
01:43:05.000And this book is basically detailing a CIA LSD operation where Charles Manson was getting dosed in prison, allegedly, and he was being treated at this free clinic in Haight-Ashbury that ran for more than 50 years and closed three months after the book was released.
01:43:29.000He's detailing step by step all these people that were directly involved in not just Charles Manson, but in fucking Jack Ruby and all these other political figures in history.
01:44:08.000It's just specifically what they did to allow Manson to run free and build these murderous hippies and get them high on LSD. This was all a part of this thing to sort of demonize the anti-war movement.
01:44:19.000There was all these different strategies they were doing to demonize the anti-war movement.
01:44:22.000Yeah, because you take LSD and war seems ridiculous.
01:44:25.000You take LSD and money seems ridiculous.
01:44:27.000You take LSD and anything that doesn't have to do with love seems insane.
01:44:33.000The problem is, all the psychedelic bullshit aside, if you just look at basic Buddhism 101, Prior to this pandemic, my favorite conversations were in Ubers, man.
01:45:00.000He said the coolest thing I've ever heard of regarding Buddhism, which is he's like, do you know how you look at letters and you think that they're a language?
01:45:24.000But an LSD will return you to that state.
01:45:28.000So it will drop you under all of your apps that are running on the operating system of your consciousness for a little bit.
01:45:35.000Some people hate that because they so identify with the apps that the moment they can't cling to the app, they become this thing before the language.
01:45:45.000Which is why some people on a lot of apps can't talk.
01:45:51.000What's happening is you're encountering original sentience prior to conditioning.
01:45:57.000And that's dangerous to any kind of power structure.
01:46:02.000If I'm trying to implement a hierarchy, I depend on your consciousness flowing into these rivulets that are language, morality, ethics, the entire structure of whatever I'm trying to tell you is the way things are.
01:46:19.000And if I can do that, Then I can own you, because suddenly your morality isn't real morality.
01:49:22.000I just watch these fucking people in Portland beat the shit out of each other and kick some guy in the head when he's sitting on his- he's sitting down when he apparently drove too close to these Antifa guys and they made him get out of the car and they're searching his belongings.
01:49:34.000This guy runs up behind him and kicks him in the head and knocks him unconscious.
01:50:25.000If I was in the streets at 16 and we pulled some guy out of his car that someone said tried to run us over and the guy sitting there Easily.
01:50:34.000Me or any of the people I hung out with would have punched that guy or kicked that guy.
01:51:35.000I was reading a post today that somebody sent me, and I don't know if it's verified or real or whatever, where a girl was saying that she was headed to a bathroom at a gas station somewhere.
01:51:47.000And someone, she noticed that someone had their camera turned around, so they had the selfie camera on while they were on FaceTime, and they pointed to this lady, and they said, what about her?
01:52:01.000And the girl looked at them, and the lady turned and looked at her, and she ran back to her car, got in their car, and the guy who was with them went and ran up to the side of the car like she thinks they were trying to kidnap her.
01:52:26.000And the funny thing, not funny, but what's ironic about the sudden horror at human trafficking is a lot of the very same people who are...
01:52:36.000Fighting against this thing that they're they're realizing is happening in the country simultaneously Don't want to look back into the history of the United States which was a hundred percent based on human trafficking hundred percent our country's foundation is human trafficking they fucking kidnapped Black people and made them work for free.
01:52:57.000And somewhere in between that horror and now, people have gotten this delusion that that stopped.
01:54:11.000Who knows if the slaves actually got the money?
01:54:13.000The poor and enslaved had been selling teeth as a means of making money since the Middle Ages, which were sold as dentures or implants to those of financial means.
01:54:24.000So, you know, Jeffrey Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein sourced teeth from some of the young girls he was fucking, and it was actually common for the young girls to sell their teeth for money.
01:54:34.000That right there is the root of the fucking problem.
01:54:40.000George Washington was a human trafficker who had in his mouth the teeth of people that were kidnapped that he was making work for free.
01:54:51.000This makes Dahmer look like a fucking boy scout!
01:54:58.000According to George Washington's ledger on May 8th, 1784, he paid six pounds, two shillings to Negroes for nine teeth on account of Dr. LeMoyne.
01:55:11.000So he paid six pounds, two shillings, I don't know how much that is.
01:55:42.000The main thing is this asshole who's in statues everywhere was a kidnapper who took teeth out of people's mouths and put it in his own mouth.
01:56:10.000Because, do you think, here's what I think.
01:56:11.000What if there were Jeffrey Dahmer statues all over LA? No, you make a good point.
01:56:16.000Maybe we should educate people on why you feel so strongly about the George Washington statue or even the Thomas Jefferson statue.
01:56:25.000A lot of people are arguing that Thomas Jefferson, that he's a piece of shit and we shouldn't respect him either.
01:56:34.000Do you think that all those statues should come down or do you think it's more of an imperative for us to understand that In the world of 1776, or in the world of whenever, when did Washington get here?
01:56:50.000What was George Washington's first years in America?
01:56:56.000I'm not in any way, shape, or form giving anyone a free pass on owning slaves.
01:57:33.000Either take the statue down or put around it the number of slaves he had.
01:57:39.000Build statues for all the slaves he had.
01:57:40.000So if George Washington had 4,000 slaves, there needs to be a field of slave statues around the George Washington statue that you have to walk through to get to the George Washington statue.
01:58:21.000Dude, I think that the world before mass communication, before the post office, and certainly before any kind of boat travel, when everyone was just either on foot or on horses, was undeniably...
01:58:40.000Impossible for us to understand because they were so savage.
01:58:59.000A wild, barely human thing that would occasionally paint cool things and write things down and compose music, but lived in a savage environment that's almost unrecognizable for us today.
01:59:14.000Look, and again, man, I'm presenting a counterpoint to you that...
01:59:20.000I don't want people to pray upon me for the counterpoint saying, oh, woke Duncan had a baby, got all woke.
01:59:26.000But I do want to present a counterpoint with the intention of like, let's look at maybe that Is actually part of the conditioning.
01:59:37.000So if your country is based on human trafficking, which to this day is happening.
01:59:44.000Well, this country is based on human trafficking.
01:59:47.000And it's also based on human sacrifice.
01:59:50.000It's also based on us killing the people that were here first.
02:01:29.000They'd raid tribes and steal and kill and murder and rape.
02:01:32.000The idea I've heard, and this may not be, I didn't look into it, and I apologize to the people who told me about this idea, because I wish I'd researched it more, but I'm going to put it out there, is that Africa, Was a really ancient culture that was...
02:02:20.000I'm not saying I'm directly connected.
02:02:22.000I'm just saying, for me, it's like, any time I get around any situation where someone is making it so I can't say the truth, I get really annoyed.
02:02:51.000But they went in there and they chopped up a mountain with a bunch of slave owners' faces, and Trump's like, it's the best mountain on earth!
02:03:01.000It's like, it looks better before you put the human traffickers on it, right?
02:03:06.000How about the fucking hilarity of him suggesting that his face should be on it just to rile people up?
02:03:20.000When I saw that he was suggesting that his name should be on Mount Everest, or not at Mount Everest, Mount Rushmore, I was thinking immediately, like, oh my god, he's moving them into Checkmate.
02:03:50.000In this madness, with all this crazy, there's no such thing as gender world, for a guy to come around and say, I'm going to put my face on Mount Rushmore.
02:04:05.000That's what's beautiful about you, is you're not afraid to admit something that I think is really important to admit, which is like...
02:04:13.000Dude, there's a continuum of reality and there's swaths of that continuum that are amazing.
02:04:23.000I don't know if you've ever been in a situation where maybe you're in a kind of relationship that's not great.
02:04:33.000But there's a piece of that relationship that is so fucking hot and so sexy and so beautiful in the midst of all the madness that it almost like makes the madness make sense, right?
02:04:45.000That's a, that's a, or certainly like there's certain like substances I imbibe that if you look at what they do to my body, it's like terrible, but like that sliver of whatever it is is great.
02:04:57.000So anyway, what I love that you're not afraid of doing It's like putting out there like look man It's not like people are one thing Here's the thing too.
02:05:08.000I'm not a willing Victim of gaslighting you can't you can't do that to me, right?
02:05:16.000I'm not interested, you know, I don't need anything from you I'm not interested in you gaslighting me.
02:05:23.000I know when someone's putting on a show I had an email from a guy who I like Who told me to stop talking about Joe Biden because all the problems are because he has a stutter.
02:05:31.000I'm like, listen, man, when you're 74, or however old he is, he's older than that, right?
02:05:37.000The wheels come off, man, on everybody.
02:06:44.000The reality of the situation is, like, Biden, I don't like his policy regarding drugs, and I'm very resentful of a lot of the things he's done, and I'm also very resentful of the fact that...
02:07:59.000And then all these people that were in competition with Bernie started pulling shit that I've said on the podcast, drunk, high as fuck, stand-up comedy, put it in content.
02:08:31.000It was a bit about a conversation that I had at a bar.
02:08:33.000I was with a friend of mine at a bar, and there's this lady who's really aggressive, who's making out with her girlfriend, and she yells over at us.
02:09:05.000You can't just take that part out and put it in quotes and say, I really believe that lesbians lack the proper lower back muscles to be in a loving relationship with another woman who's also a lesbian.
02:10:58.000Bridget Phetasy, who's one of my favorite people to talk to, she said that when she read a diary that she wrote or a journal that she wrote when she was 24, she's like, Jesus Christ, I was AOC. And now she's much more of a centrist.
02:11:13.000And she's like, but I was like full on woke when I was 24. I get it.
02:11:17.000It's a thing of a person being a good person who's compassionate, who wants to do good for people, who thinks they're moving in the right direction.
02:11:25.000But the problem is it's not in a line with the understanding that we have currently of psychology and of how people behave and of laws and the idea of punishment and crime.
02:12:17.000I just love thinking what's outside of propaganda.
02:12:21.000Parenting, it isn't outside of propaganda, but you can, as a parent, I can see, like, look, it doesn't matter what my ideals are regarding regulation.
02:12:40.000So there's like real, like, there's like a true, like, to me, there's an eternal sort of path in, like, looking at what good parenting is across cultures.
02:12:54.000You're an idiot if you think that people in the vast number of humans on earth, if you think that people in that vast number aren't insane, like what percentage are insane?
02:14:09.000But people that I know that have really needed it are people that got hurt and then they got prescribed pain pills and the pain pills is what got them.
02:14:19.000I know quite a few people that have turned to the Ibogaine.
02:14:23.000Two good friends that have turned to the Ibogaine and it knocked them right off of the addiction and right back on path.
02:14:29.000And it's really disturbing to me because it doesn't seem to be killing people and it's not legal.
02:14:34.000And I think going forward in this country...
02:14:38.000We're going to have to come to grips with a bunch of shit.
02:14:41.000One of the things we're going to have to come to grips with is we've got, and this is not a bad thing, okay?
02:14:46.000If any company is allowed to donate to a political candidate, any company, a fucking, you know...
02:14:54.000Chocolate company, a company that makes cars, then a drug company probably should too.
02:14:59.000If they're allowed to sell drugs, maybe they should be allowed to give money to corporations or give money, rather, to politicians that are running for government.
02:17:55.000A lot of things happen afterwards that people will say, did those things that happened afterwards happen because, and this is my belief, my belief is that All the things that happened after 9-11 in terms of the Patriot Act and all these other things, they happened because people were taking advantage of an opening where they recognized that a lot of people were scared,
02:18:12.000and then they started implementing these ideas that they would love to do during peacetime, but they would never be accepted.
02:18:21.000Some people are under the impression that they actually orchestrated the event and then Afterwards, implementing these new rules and everybody went along with it because of the event they orchestrated.
02:18:32.000Now, I'm not saying I know that that's not the case, and this is what's the scariest fucking thing to admit.
02:18:37.000When you know about Operation Northwoods, you know that the government in 1963 was literally planning on blowing up a jet airliner and blaming it on Cuba.
02:18:46.000They were going to arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay.
02:18:50.000They're going to do whatever they could to get us into a war with Cuba.
02:18:53.000This was signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
02:19:48.000And it's like, wait, actually, the use of poison in imperialism is a pretty classic, basic technique.
02:19:56.000Like, not just in Game of Thrones, but in general, if you're an imperialist and your interest is power, You use whatever technique you have to use.
02:20:06.000Doesn't that technique and using it in that way point to this thing that we're really worried about?
02:20:12.000What we're really worried about is there's this underlying narrative that's going on where these elites are battling it out and these warlords and these evil sociopaths that run the world are battling it out.
02:20:28.000They don't just have a guy just fucking blow his brains out on the airplane and then just jump right off on the tarmac and then he gets rescued by the Russian police and then nobody says anything about it ever.
02:21:36.000Was it ever confirmed that that whole thing where they said they found the very Dwayne Reed pharmacy in New York City where he had been taking amphetamines?
02:21:44.000I'm not going to beat up somebody for being on drugs.
02:27:25.000It kind of goes in with what we're talking about about that other guy's idea of thoughts and my concept of ideas that maybe they're a life form.
02:27:34.000Maybe they're just like E.coli that lives in your gut or the flora that's on your skin and that different people have different combinations of those things.
02:27:45.000Just like some people, you just don't vibe with them.
02:27:49.000You just want to get away from them as quick as possible.
02:27:51.000You're like, oh, this person's so annoying.
02:27:54.000And you can't help it for whatever reason.
02:27:57.000It's like they say that women, vermon-wise, like women can smell a man's clothes and they can sort of I don't know if this is true, but I read that they can accurately depict, if they smell a man's clothes, whether or not they should be attracted to that man,
02:28:14.000whether or not they're genetically, they match up well with that man.
02:28:18.000But that gets fucked up when they're on birth control.
02:29:16.000You know, as dudes, we're always like, well, we make the cum, and there's a sperm that makes it to the end of the race, and that's the one that makes the baby.
02:29:25.000So in our minds, we're like, it's like a sperm that won a marathon, gets into the egg as a reward for winning the marathon.
02:29:34.000But now the idea is the egg actually is like the sperm are running to the finish line and the egg sends out chemicals to destabilize certain sperm and picks the one that fits best with whatever the plan of the egg is.
02:32:09.000Shot up with cocaine and testosterone and just Yeah, I don't even Mussolini know what the fuck he was saying, but he sweated on him until Mussolini relented Dude, McKenna used to talk about alcohol in this way like like we survived alcohol Well,
02:32:28.000he talked about alcohol being the differentiation between the ancient psychedelic cultures that worshiped the cattle, which shat on the ground, the mushrooms grew from, and they had all this mushroom iconography, to when they started preserving things,
02:32:45.000and preserving things in honey, which meant fermented honey, which meant mead, which meant alcohol, and then they switched to an alcohol-based society when they couldn't grow the mushrooms anymore because of climate change, or because they were moving, and moving in different directions.
02:34:57.000When you're all pissed off on booze, 100% of the time, you're not angry because you're worried about the conditions of the world.
02:35:07.000You're usually angry because someone...
02:35:08.000What's funnier than when you insult an alcoholic?
02:35:11.000How many times have you been around like a...
02:35:13.000Have you ever heard of alcoholics' feelings where you say to them, hey, you're an alcoholic, and you see that look in their face where they recognize that you're telling the truth, that it really hurts, and they get mad at you?
02:35:47.000One of the things about alcohol is it sort of narrows reality.
02:35:53.000If you think of one of the things that I really, really enjoy about edibles, there's a thing that I enjoy where I get so paranoid and so freaked out that I don't think I'm going to make it.
02:37:10.000Dude, this is like, there's a Buddhist teacher, Jack Corfield, who says, tend to the part of the garden you can touch.
02:37:16.000And also Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, in one of his books, one of the things he said was, look, it could, and he meant it, it could be there's an ism That's good.
02:37:27.000There's an ism that's the right way to be.
02:37:29.000Like, it could be socialism, communism, who knows?
02:37:31.000He didn't say that, but there could be an ism that works.
02:37:35.000Right, because we can't accept the fact that the isms of the past are the only ones that are ever going to be available.
02:39:06.000The further the silence, the more you're going to appease people.
02:39:09.000You could wait ten years and no one, like four people would be upset.
02:39:12.000Look man, like to me like it's like the whole that that whole ball of wax man is like Dude like after once I started like the thing is like when all this shit happened And as a comedian, I was really afraid to get into even a little bit of studying the shit people are upset about.
02:39:31.000Because no comedian in their right mind wants to be identified with some woke-ass comedian.
02:39:52.000There's no way people weren't like just held down and they got their teeth stolen or they were told that they were gonna get money and they weren't.
02:40:03.000Is there real value in getting outraged at shit that happened hundreds of years ago or is it an acknowledgement of First of all, the fact that we all agree we can do better.
02:40:16.000The turmoil exists, all of it, social, economic.
02:40:20.000The turmoil exists because we haven't really come to grips with whether or not we can all get together and be cool with each other all the time.
02:40:29.000So there's always some sort of turmoil.
02:40:32.000And when you look at turmoil in terms of whether it's financial turmoil or social turmoil, We're always trying to figure out, like, who's being the asshole?
02:40:48.000When you see anything that's happening, like when you see a government getting overthrown, when you see war, you're always like, who is being the asshole?
02:41:07.000And is it possible that most of this shit could be avoided?
02:41:10.000And what's stopping most of it from being avoided?
02:41:13.000When you look at any kind of, anytime a government, like any kind of country invades, anytime a country invades another country, anytime bombs are being dropped from drones, like, what can be done to avoid this?
02:42:07.000What they've done is amazing, but what you've done is somehow or another encapsulate some of the things I love about you, how weird you are.
02:43:06.000By the way, I had a little bit of booze, so forgive my impetuousness that I would suddenly interrupt you, but you do have a history of finding young comedians who are like, and you do help us a lot, and we are eternally grateful to you.
02:43:21.000And I don't care if you don't acknowledge it.
02:43:22.000You won't acknowledge it, because if you did, you're afraid you'll go crazy.
02:43:26.000I'll tell you from my perspective, it's not that I'll go crazy.
02:43:33.000It's like if you're going down, if you're on a fucking one of those water slides and you're going flying down, you're just going that way.
02:43:42.000If you're a good person and you love comedy and you love comedians and you have friends and you want to see them happy and you want to see them successful.
02:43:52.000And you know it benefits not just them, but you to elevate them.
02:43:56.000I'm like, hey, check out Annie Letterman.
02:43:59.000Hey, check out everybody, whoever it is.
02:44:02.000It's like, I want them to know that my relationship with them, anybody who's listening to this podcast or anybody who listens to my stand-up or watches it, it's genuine.
02:46:47.000And it has to be Annie and Whitney, because the A's make you find it quicker.
02:46:52.000The world deserves it, but like I remember going to do any when I want to be Annie and Whitney when I went to do Annie Letterman's podcast I won't give anything away any what happened I'm not I can't say it.
02:47:03.000It's not legal, but like I remember like Leaving there being like Wow Like I remember leaving there just thinking like whole not just that not whatever I'm saying right now I'm saying like realizing like I've always loved chatting with Annie Letterman.
02:47:21.000We have great conversations, but I remember like getting into where she lived and looking around and Realizing like well, she's formed some kind of cult.
02:48:47.000We're all trying to go the right direction.
02:48:51.000When we're talking about that dumb sperm that clashes heads with the alpha sperm and just accidentally slides in, That shit is gonna happen.
02:50:06.000Dude, when you and I became friends, we should tell people, you and I became friends because I would call into the Comedy Store and I'd say, hey, I'm here Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.
02:51:42.000I just don't, I don't think anyone can understand what it's like unless they've been there to get off stage at the Comedy Store.
02:51:50.000And you have a good set maybe, but you're working on a joke and you get off stage and suddenly Whitney Cummings, who's like a very rightfully successful, brilliantly funny person, stops you and says, hey, what do you think about this addition to your punchline?
02:52:07.000Like those moments are so so like so like cuz cuz in that moment there isn't like a Hierarchy like in that moment.
02:52:15.000There isn't like look I made like a shows for network TV to one of my proudest moments as a comic I was at the improv and this was like 2003 or some shit like that and Louie CK sits in the back of the room and takes notes and And then we get off stage,
02:52:34.000and he actually asked me before, he goes, do you mind if I watch and give you some notes?
02:52:41.000And then afterwards, he had a bunch of really funny suggestions.
02:52:45.000I don't remember if I'd wind up using any of them, but it was just so fun, so fun to hear him and I talk about bits, and the fact that he would sit down and watch these bits.
02:54:24.000Yeah, and then they develop some sort of fucking satellite network where everyone's connected and reading each other's minds all over the globe.
02:54:33.000Dude, this is cave wall scratch tickets bullshit.
02:54:39.000We're playing Tick Tock Toe by the fire.
02:54:41.000But this is to me the poignant thing about Neolithic structures.
02:55:27.000We're doing the same thing that Beethoven was doing, where they were making music at a time where you couldn't record it, so you had to write it down.
02:55:47.000Also being in context of never having heard The Doors, never having heard Hendrix, never having heard any of that, only being in that era and sitting in the audience.
02:57:37.000I was on news radio from 94 to 99. So, I was on news radio, and I remember driving to work and hearing that going, whoa, they just cracked through some new level.
02:59:40.000And most people who do these big tournaments, like even the Olympics, they teach them to have a surprise release.
02:59:47.000It's a psychological trick, where you're using a certain type of release, where either you have your finger on a trigger and you don't push your finger, you just let your back muscles pull it because they're crude muscles, or you use what's called a hinge, where you slowly pull on the hinge, and the arrow goes, but you don't know when it's gonna go.
03:00:03.000Whereas a trigger, you know exactly where it's gonna go.
03:00:06.000Where there's something about knowing exactly where it's gonna go, where you just fucking, you tense up, you twitch.
03:00:13.000It's hard to keep your mind in order where you just go, especially if you're shooting in a tournament, you're in the Olympics, gold medal round, ha!
03:00:20.000So very few people in the Olympics allow their brain to decide when the shot goes.
03:00:31.000There's the mind of no mind, the ability to get out of your own way.
03:00:35.000And for archers, the best way to do this is either in the hinge release or a release with a thumb where you pull through with your back muscles and it makes the thumb trigger go up.
03:02:20.000But that's literally the way traffic is in LA. Yes.
03:02:24.000Yet somehow, like, because you drove that day into traffic, you got into your head, this would be the one day in LA where there wouldn't be traffic.
03:02:43.000This is also the real argument for microdosing.
03:02:48.000Because if you could just microdose, there would be so much less negative interactions with people, whether it's on the highway or anywhere.
03:02:57.000No one who's microdosing on psilocybin is going to yell at you from across the street, put your fucking mask on!
03:04:38.000That we have these things in our head where this is what's the most important, and this is what's not as important.
03:04:46.000Like, love is important, but if you see two people that are, you know, they're in love, but you don't like either one of them, do you feel like that's the same kind of love as two people you admire that are together?
03:05:17.000And when I talk to them, if I talk to them either on, like, we did a little FaceTime the other day, and I get out of it, I go, that, I want to be somebody who makes me feel, or I want to be somebody who makes somebody feel the way I feel when I talk to them.
03:06:32.000So I get off the phone with them and I'm like, You can be Gabriella Reese and you can be Laird Hamilton and still come out and be a really cool, friendly, inspirational, genuine person.
03:06:44.000I'm like, I want to make somebody else feel the way those people make me feel.
03:06:54.000If anything has ever come out of this podcast that's been good, It's that it's given people a perspective where there's a potential where that maybe their limited ideas of what they're capable of in terms of their own personal happiness or their own success and whatever their chosen endeavor is.
03:07:22.000Well, you know, the reason I say centralization is because like the first and a very natural reaction to being associated with a body would be that you would centralize on the identity that you're in.
03:07:35.000You know, if I step on your, if I stomp on your foot, you're going to feel pain.
03:07:39.000So why wouldn't you centralize on this identity that you're in?
03:07:43.000And again, like right now with the science we have, it can't show us, I think it will eventually show that our sentience isn't limited to the body, that we're a field of consciousness that's kind of getting associated with particular quantum clouds of meat that we call it.
03:07:59.000And they interface with other sentient bodies in a way that makes them unique To the relationship between that person like I bet you're different with your wife than you are with anybody you've ever met that that is true Yes, but that's also like one of the great like right now one of the big Ideas such a cool idea too is like on stage off stage.
03:08:20.000So How are you acting when you think you're on stage?
03:08:24.000In other words like when you're in front of like this is the best part about kovat.
03:08:27.000There's no on stage exactly But it's the only good thing about COVID for me.
03:08:34.000Actually, I'll tell you some other great things about COVID. It taught us that we can telecommute and businesses still work, and that transforms the landscape.
03:08:42.000But the on-stage, off-stage idea, or the way Cho Gyumtri for Rinpoche puts it is, some people, at the end of the day, they go home and they sit on the couch, and they go...
03:08:56.000But they only let themselves do that at the very end of the day of work because they've produced in their mind a situation where this is me relaxing and this is me working.
03:09:09.000So this differentiation produces a kind of neurotic kind of split personality way of being which is like really all those you don't need to wait to get home to sit on the couch to go That's where you're at now.
03:09:40.000And compassion is, I think, the beginning of recognizing, you know, how many people have you met?
03:09:47.000And I know my life changed when I went to the doctor.
03:09:51.000With my swollen fucking testicle that, by the way, before I went to the doctor, I would look at myself in the mirror and think, man, if they were symmetrical, I would feel awesome.
03:10:01.000Like, it felt good to have a big ball.
03:12:52.000Listen, man, I tell everybody, if there's one human being that's the most important human being in comedy ever that wasn't a comedian, it's Mitzi Shore.
03:13:00.000That's why she's on the wall of this room.
03:15:32.000Like, can you imagine, like, if you really think about it, you get robbed at gunpoint by a comedian, and you still give him stage time, What the fuck is that?
03:16:03.000When I was an open-miker, okay, I had gotten obsessed with comedy for six months before I could ever do an open-mic night, because I erroneously assumed that you had to be 21 to be able to get on stage.
03:16:14.000It turns out you can be younger, but you just can't drink to watch you.
03:16:18.000But you can be a 19-year-old and do stand-up.
03:17:08.000I met that lady when I met Mitzi Shore.
03:17:11.000And when Mitzi Shore passed me at the Comedy Store, I remember thinking when I was in 1988 in Boston that there was this Mecca.
03:17:19.000There was this place you had to go where Richard Pryor filmed live at the Sunset Strip, and Sam Kennison used to do stand-up, and fucking Howie Mandel went up, and Rodney Dangerfield, and David Letterman!
03:17:33.000Goddamn, I gotta get to the Comedy Store!
03:19:10.000There was a fight between Ari and Bobby Lee.
03:19:12.000And I remember as the talent coordinator, that was when Mitzi starts kissing.
03:19:18.000He's now a comic somewhere in that like in that like throwing off of Rationality and that I don't know what it was man like in you know you though Here's the most important part of Mitzi.
03:19:30.000She was a woman She was a woman and she encouraged chaos.
03:19:34.000She wasn't in remotely concerned with safety She wanted wild people, man.
03:20:33.000Because let me tell you, man, as a talent coordinator, there are plenty of times Where people wanted to film some shit in the main room, where they wanted to pay a lot of money.
03:20:44.000Well, we should talk about that, because that was like one of the things about that club, was that like you could never film anything there.
03:25:20.000I mean that was all like the thing about Mitzi was like No, like imagine like the best thing to think of is like think of your most like outlaw comedian Then imagine a person who built a saloon within which those comedians could be grown to be more of an outlaw.
03:25:37.000There was no Kennison without Mitzi Shore.
03:25:40.000But then the most, to me, like with Mitzi, and she would never allow this, she'd already, if she heard me saying any of this shit, she'd be like, you're fired.
03:25:49.000But like if you were gonna write a Mitzi Bible and you wanted to like base the whole Bible on one thing it was something she told me so many times as a talent coordinator and I like to fantasize she thought I was funny but as a talent coordinator something she told me over and over and over again regarding comedians was you don't need them they need you That was her like core thing,
03:26:19.000which is like the moment that a comedian starts thinking that they need this system, then they degrade themselves.
03:26:27.000They have to understand that their Comedic ability and who they are as that persona, which she would say is like, they're iconoclasts.
03:26:37.000She meant like, you're not gonna find anyone like this ever again.
03:26:40.000And that's who she was trying to find.
03:26:42.000She would say, therefore, it's supply and demand, which is like, there is nothing like you, but there's a lot of things like them.
03:26:50.000So if you think that you need them, you will degrade yourself as an artist.
03:26:55.000That was her main core truth, which is don't get caught up in the thing they're going to try to teach you, which is you need them.
03:27:07.000You don't need anything because you're funny.
03:27:10.000You're the fucking nuclear isotope generating energy.
03:27:13.000And if you get lost in this insanity that you require the system to be great, not only to degrade yourself, You do great in art.
03:27:22.000But you know, this is one of the things about recognizing what Mitzi Shore did and A lot of Bud Friedman, a lot of people who own clubs, Rodney Dangerfield, is it's not just about the ideas and getting the ideas out in a way the audience can digest.
03:28:05.000You can't let the artists completely be in control because one charismatic artist with a lot of fucking song and dance moves can trick people into thinking things that aren't necessarily accurate because of charisma.
03:29:02.000If Mitzi Shore was alive today, if we could somehow or another go back in time and grab Mitzi Shore from 1974 and bring her to 2020, she would just be running shit.
03:31:03.000Yeah, we're so death-centric that anything that's the source of life, which is a handjob, a blowjob, fucking, we look at that as being depraved.
03:31:15.000Well, it's really just some sort of weird canyon ladder in between two fucking cliffs between this and what is gonna be available for people in just a few years.
03:32:16.000Alcohol is, you're hanging out with a girl who's got a, like, Hello Kitty tattoo in between her thumb and forefinger, and you guys are drinking, you're having a good time, and you're like, I love you, and she's like, I love you too, and you just give each other a hug.
03:37:18.000I think we can, but I do want to, like, the reason I'm going to speak up for Buddhism in general...
03:37:23.000and i agree with you and what i love about buddhism so much is that man what's great about it is it invites you to reject it it says to you the first part of it is like reject this if you can like if you can find a flaw in the thing Reject it.
03:37:41.000And also, if you can find a legitimate rejection, then we will add that to the, like, what Buddhism...
03:40:37.000But you gotta understand, this is like, a person has deeply impacted me, and, like, he was a monk, and I know him as a friend, and, like, he's a monk.
03:43:34.000If you want to start really restructuring society, let's start with a superstition that you need to be in proximity of another person's body.
03:44:14.000Somewhere near Barstow where the Bat's Takeover.
03:44:16.000We're gonna fight against centralization so that we don't have to get chained to shitty cities.
03:44:20.000Like, that's the whole point is like, look, if anything happens after COVID that's beautiful, it will be that all the commuters say to their bosses, wait a minute, for the last six months, I've been zooming in for these fucking conferences, And your business is doing just as well as it did when I was driving an hour to get there an hour back.
03:44:40.000And then the moment that happens, we break the back of addiction to being in a metropolis.
03:47:17.000And I think that you, Joe Rogan, If there was a technology that could instantly turn you into a woman, you wouldn't hesitate to turn into a woman.
03:48:03.000What happens is you become a woman who actually feels the way a woman feels when she's attracted to a man and a guy with a dick like a battering ram is just gonna send it home.
03:48:46.000No, it's the experience that literally made them exist on the planet.
03:48:51.000They feel like if they were to feel it, it would be something against who they are, which is insanity in the sense of the very feeling of a cock blowing cum.
03:50:19.000But Lindsey Graham, I have the feeling that if suddenly there was the ability to travel through space, he would leave the planet within seconds.
03:52:22.000Whatever the fuck it is that you think is limiting your ability to experience pleasure on the earth is Satan.
03:52:28.000And it's like, if that thing is telling you that you're a dude and this is the only way you can feel joy, but simultaneously you're hanging out with a guy who's the same gender as you and you're falling in love with him, and then you're pretending you're not because some devil voice in your mind is telling you,
03:54:58.000Christina Pazitzky's Instagram, she does these like fucking hilarious TikTok clips that she recovers from TikTok.
03:55:06.000And there's a whole genre of TikTok of these creepy fucking pervs who are like showing how they lick pussy.
03:55:13.000And like the whole TikTok is based on them like going...
03:55:17.000It's so fucked up, but it's like a guy will, in the masculine sense, will go down on a girl, yet the concept of having a dick in your mouth is considered to be, like, fucked up.
03:55:31.000Like, you must be, like, a complete, like, something about you is weak.
03:55:36.000You know, and I think we're gonna have to contend with that.
03:55:58.000Her, by the way, her Instagram, the TikTok she does, like, she should do a whole show based on her, like, she, like, curates the most fucked up TikToks you've ever seen.
03:56:08.000Isn't that important, like, TikTok, whether it's TikTok or Instagram or any of these things?
03:56:22.000Lowering the boundaries, like dropping down the boundaries for people to be able to enter into the world of expressing whatever weirdo idea they have or video of them doing backflips onto a fucking whale, whatever they're doing.
03:57:00.000Because it lets you realize that as much as we're at each other's throats right now, I don't know how much of it is our fault.
03:57:09.000And I think we could have been a lot better off if someone decided, instead of trying to make money, that they would recognize that this strategy of Whether it's social media, likes, or Twitter, you know,
03:57:24.000Twitter, Facebook, or whether it's showing you the things you get angry about and you comment on Facebook or YouTube, like, whatever we're doing, like, ultimately, we're changing the path of the way people think.
03:57:37.000We're way more malleable than we like to think we are.
03:58:01.000But when you're talking about people not conforming and trying to figure themselves out, people are thinking you're non-binary or somehow or another you're not woke.
03:58:22.000Well, the most important thing, I think, in this storm, and it's easy to forget, is that you and I and everybody we run across, I have yet to meet somebody who's a real monster, man.
03:58:35.000There's a few, but even them, they just need hugs.
03:58:40.000When you run across, it's very unique.
03:58:43.000Anytime I feel like this is where I'm attuned to this.
03:58:48.000Anytime I get the sense someone's wanting me not to express myself, that's where I get really locked in.
03:58:55.000And I get the whole anti-woke thing because nobody wants some fucking liberal Baptist piece of shit to tell them how to be.
03:59:04.000But, you know, man, the moment on my Instagram I did a Black Lives Matter thing, That's the only time anybody told me to shut up.
03:59:15.000No one told me to shut up before that, but the moment I did a thing that was in alignment with Black Lives Matter, there was all of a sudden this weird similarity of people hitting me up, being like, you fucking woke me up.
03:59:29.000There was a lot of blowback from that.
03:59:46.000No, not 30 just enough where I really I'm gonna say like five fifteen fifteen enough where like I realize how many Instagram followers Do you have I don't remember dude, I can look it up right now like not 200,000 or something.
04:00:04.000I No, but I know what you're saying, but I realized that my thinking regarding being even remotely a political activist was being shaped by my fear that a tiny percentage of my audience would reject me.
04:00:23.000I was letting my ship get steered, not by my own intuition, or not by my own sense of like, fuck man, that fucking George Floyd video, that's unforgivable.
04:02:03.000The thing is, this is the problem, and I think this is an important question for everybody to ask themselves, is how do you act when you're right?
04:02:14.000That's how you can really tell a person.
04:03:58.000I mean, to me, like, you know, that's why I think so great about the fact that you got to be the person that you are, that you got to be the spotlight, got to be on you as it is, and the reason it's on you, and the reason I take such...
04:04:12.000Not much offends me, man, but when people start attacking you, I have to fight against my offense because I know you.
04:04:22.000And so when people are fucking at arms against you, I feel really depressed because I know you.
04:04:27.000And you are one of the most progressive people I've ever met.
04:04:32.000And so when people start falling upon you because you have fucking nerds like Ben Shapiro, Which, by the way, you shouldn't have that guy on anymore!
04:05:28.000And, like, that dude is, like, an embarrassment, but I don't think what people admit when they look at Ben Shapiro is, like, there's a piece of you that's like, I'd have fun with him.
04:08:10.000Look, as far as I'm concerned, if you're going to create what I think could be created by humanity, We have to create the engine, not of rejection, but of acceptance, meaning that if you've got a charismatic Finn Shapiro avatar in the video game,
04:08:27.000in the simulation that we're in, there's a way to reabsorb him into reality that isn't like the way people currently see him.
04:08:35.000He's willing to relinquish his ideology.
04:08:38.000And he has a very strict religious ideology.
04:08:41.000Yeah, he's stuck in this little thing.
04:08:47.000Look, if you figure out a way to do something that helps you pass most of the people that you're competing against, but ultimately hinders you against the people who learn your lessons plus other lessons and aren't hampered by ideology,
04:09:31.000You might not agree with him, but me and him are having really good conversations about why I feel like you can't tell an 18-year-old kid just pull your pants up and don't shoot anybody.
04:09:43.000We're having these really nuanced conversations and he's allowing me because he knows I like him.
04:10:06.000So if he and I are sitting right here, and we talk about stuff, he knows that if I don't agree with him, it doesn't change my feelings about whether or not I'll hug him or I love him.
04:10:20.000We're all facing this problem where we identify with ideas.
04:10:24.000Whereas, I think we can just do our best to make good with where we stand right now as a human, and when we encounter other humans, let's take ideas and put them in front of us.
04:10:39.000And let's cross our arms and let's go over these ideas without any attachment.
04:10:43.000That's where it gets hard because most of us don't have enough personal satisfaction and our own accomplishments to relinquish this idea that our ideas are not ours.
04:10:55.000That our ideas are just a mathematical problem.
04:11:09.000So this thing that we're doing as people today Is we're scared.
04:11:16.000And one of the things that happen when people are scared is they pull back.
04:11:19.000You pull back, you put up fences, you wall off, you protect your tribe, you decide what you can say, what you can't say, and decide who's the enemy and who's good and who's bad, and everybody walls off!
04:11:36.000My thoughts are that's a trap and that is just something that we've been involved with forever from the beginning of time from single-celled organisms to Small mammals to human beings.
04:11:49.000We've been involved in this weird trap of competing against each other in the wrong way Competing against each other in a way where ultimately somebody gets victimized.
04:11:58.000I think The best competition is keeping the other competition alive, competing against each other while helping each other.
04:13:24.000Like and also anybody who's gonna like do that you like feel like they negate whatever their philosophical ideas by attacking the thing, who gives a fuck?
04:13:33.000However, he's doing the exact same thing that Trump does when he gets attention.
04:13:37.000He's saying something about something that's culturally relevant and he's taking a contrary position and he's generating likes.
04:13:47.000Right, he's like a he's a he's a salesperson for negativity.
04:13:51.000If I was his best friend If Ben and I were sitting around, he's like, you think you're supposed to us?
04:13:56.000I'd be like, okay, yeah, you probably should, because ultimately, people are going to fuck with you, but my position is it's better if you have vulnerabilities.
04:14:10.000If there's something you've done that's really stupid, it's probably better for you when you shit on things.
04:14:15.000And I think that's a good argument for coming out against wet-ass pussy.
04:14:20.000What's wrong with wet-ass pussy, by the way?
04:17:56.000Like, really, it's like, you know, the reality of it is, is like, we are in a very bizarre period in time, which is that you and I, we became friends on the phone having these same conversations, and now you say a thing that flies in the face of the particular,
04:18:16.000like, default reality of our time, and you start trending on Twitter.
04:18:22.000The way I know you right now is like you trending on Twitter where I'm like, what the fuck happened?
04:18:29.000But the joke's on them because I don't read Twitter.
04:18:47.000Yeah, but you have to watch out because people are going to like try to exploit you.
04:18:51.000That's the main thing is like people recognizing what you are, who have political agendas, will infiltrate your shit and then start blowing out their radioactivity into the world, right?
04:19:35.000And I think many of the things he says, he says because he's rewarded for saying controversial things on the internet and many times make sense in a logical way if you don't take into account all the different situations that lead to a person becoming who they are in 2020. Right.
04:19:53.000Slavery and Jim Crow laws and all these different things we all have to deal with.
04:20:13.000And you also say things because you've seen the contrary to that poorly worded and you decide you don't agree with that until you want to counter it.
04:20:23.000But I think the problem is in ideologies.
04:20:27.000More than anything, if I'm really being objective, I always feel like our problem is purely in ideologies because we just get committed to one side or the other and ideas to one side.
04:20:42.000And I think if we could just divorce ourselves from ideas and divorce ourselves from all ideologies and just look at something like honest, like you come to me and I come to you and I go, Hey man, what's up?
04:21:03.000And you hug each other, and you go, what do we have to do about taxes?
04:21:07.000Man, if we lived in a community where I felt like, hey, if I pay more in taxes, people will have their kids in a better school, and the water will be purer, and there'll be less crime, I would fucking 100% sign up for that.
04:22:39.000Apply to whatever they say, your own objective opinion.
04:22:43.000But how weird is it that people will focus that you have Ben Shapiro on this podcast, but they don't focus that you have Bernie Sanders on?
04:22:54.000But what I'm saying is people in the left will say, you're a monster that you would have Ben Shapiro on, and they completely forget That you gave one of the great potential socialist presidents of our time a platform that you supported.
04:24:29.000I want bad motherfuckers to have completely Separate ideas of how the world should or shouldn't work, what is wrong or isn't wrong, what's right or isn't wrong, what's privilege, what's bullshit.
04:24:44.000I want everybody to come to the table clean.
04:24:47.000I want everybody to come to the table warm.
04:26:26.000What we need is romantic tension between a 24-year-old, like, super...
04:26:36.000A super liberal, super attractive woman, and like a 32-year-old Navy SEAL, who's also married, and no one cheats on anybody, but they have this sexual tension, and they keep it together, and they work their way through veganism,
04:27:10.000I'm just trying to figure out like we got to the election and suddenly it's this erotic romance between this 24 year old- That's so much better than a fucking guy with fake hair and some dead man weekend at Bernie's with a cop shoving her hand up his ass and walking him to the aisle.
04:27:28.000Here's the thing that I don't understand.
04:27:29.000In sports, somebody in any fucking sport, if they're not doing great that night, The coach pulls them off and puts someone better in.
04:32:01.000I was one of the comics that you evolved.
04:32:04.000And also, in that moment where I was living with you, it wasn't like...
04:32:10.000Some kind of like National Lampoon vacation thing.
04:32:13.000You were like really serious with me and you were not serious all the time.
04:32:17.000We had a few like really serious talks and in those serious talks you like helped me realize that like I had to stop being so flippant with my life and it was really good and you weren't fucking around and it was cool and it was very sweet and I'll never forget it man.
04:32:35.000Well you know what I wanted to say to you?
04:32:41.000When you see someone who is at a bump in the road, many things can happen, right?
04:32:47.000And for you, I wanted you to know that you can most certainly get upset along the way, or you can be almost I'm almost immune to all the bumps in the road.
04:33:05.000And if you decide you're this fucking Peter Pan character and just like float through this, there's ways that you're lucky and ways that other people that live in Afghanistan and the Congo will never understand.
04:33:23.000But you and I, when we were hanging out together, I was like, I remember the moment you called me, there wasn't even a half a second between you saying, I was like, yay, Duncan's going to live with me!
04:33:42.000And like, I'm not trying to, like, your perception of it may even be different from mine, but like, one thing that happened, I have a few memories of that incredible gift that you gave me.
04:33:54.000One of the memories is, riding up to your house, I don't even know how you got into my car, that you would be in my Mini Cooper, which was red at the time.
04:35:54.000So all of a sudden I'm in a mansion where there's a piranha tank and Eddie Bravo I remember because I was going up to hide smoking because I was addicted at the time.
04:36:51.000It was like, there's so many in those moments.
04:36:54.000Well, there's a thing where you can do, where you can protect people temporarily from their emotions, but you won't protect them from the consequences of their actions.
04:37:32.000Like when I look back, I always, like when I look back pre-cancer, I always think of that moment as like, man, you thought that guy was such a cunt.
04:39:00.000It's just us hanging out, but join us there.
04:39:05.000You know, the truth is it is a simulation, you know, and we told you that before you linked into the thing and we told you it would wipe your memory and that you would feel like you are helpless in the sense that the thing you are right now,
04:39:22.000you don't know what The power that you wield.
04:39:29.000And we said that in this moment, we would do a thing where we alerted you of the fact that you had been, you had intentionally decided to dive into a simulation, making you limited.
04:39:44.000In the human world that you're in right now, you're actually Thor.
04:39:49.000You're a powerful Norse god that has gotten sucked into a very temporary magic spell that isn't even that powerful compared to the powers in the world you come from.
04:40:02.000But right now you have become convinced that you are a limited Identity in the mortal realm, which you requested, by the way.
04:40:13.000You said, I want to be an insurance agent, real estate agent, school teacher, psychologist, fireman, cop.
04:40:23.000I wanted to be a pilot, somebody who was a flight attendant, someone who worked in a museum, a teacher, somebody who was a historian, a failed writer, a failed comedian, and you became this temporary thing,
04:40:41.000but the truth is you're a god and you're confused.
04:41:55.000Don't you worry, though, like, what if, like, and again, like, we've been going on so many hours now, so now at this point I'm just pulling...
04:42:04.000How much time has this podcast gone on?
04:42:59.000Listen, you have helped me in many steps of the way because you and I, as friends, You know, we came from different backgrounds, but we're both very compassionate and very interested in exploring alternative ideas.
04:43:16.000You and I have had so many conversations where you said something to me and I went, hmm, damn, maybe, huh?
04:43:22.000And I've had to reconsider the way I was focusing in on something.
04:43:27.000And because I respect you, and this is something I've said of Ari as well, and Joey, and even Eddie Bravo, and Jamie, and all the people that I'm around, if you say something to me, I consider it like I'm thinking of it in a different way.
04:43:44.000Like if you say, I don't think that's a good idea because of this, I go, Huh.
04:45:03.000So I always felt, I always had this trick, at the very least, a trickling sense of like, man, I think you were wrong about your judgment there.
04:46:42.000So the Yugas are like vast spans of time, and we're considered to be in the Kali Yuga.
04:46:49.000But this is like something that was actually...
04:46:52.000Actually predicted yeah several years ago.
04:46:55.000Yeah, we'll hunt like thousands of years in terms of like people recognizing this right now is Kali Yuga.
04:47:01.000There's there's are there's like you know differences in what part of the Kali Yuga we're in but there's no difference in that we're in the Kali Yuga.
04:47:10.000The Yugas are a period of time that one of the ways to like But if they get represented, it's like, imagine a dove flying through the sky with a silk scarf and the beak, and the tip of the scarf brushes against the peak of the Himalayas.
04:47:29.000So the amount of time it takes for one of those peaks to get pushed down to a valley, that could be considered a yuga.
04:47:37.000In Hinduism, it's a period of time, and people argue about that length of time.
04:48:39.000He had so many phone numbers memorized because we didn't have phones.
04:48:43.000So you had to memorize numbers or write them down in a little pad.
04:48:46.000So what we consider to be technology is really a crutch to make up for our idiocy in the age of the Kali Yuga, which is what we're in right now.
04:48:54.000And a lot of people get confused because they think Kali means Kali, the goddess of destruction.
04:50:11.000Yeah, dude, but we're not packing ourselves up because of some like Tonner S. Thompson thing.
04:50:18.000We're packing ourselves up because the country we were born into has fallen into the throes of a really dark period induced by a once-in-a-hundred-year pandemic.
04:51:12.000He wants to make a primer for people moving to Austin, where you say, hey, don't turn what you escaped from into the place you're going to.
04:51:33.000And this is what we were talking about earlier.
04:51:37.000We were talking about defunding the police and defunding ICE and all this nonsense that people are like, let's just figure out a way to be nice to each other.
04:52:05.000I'm stammering because it's like telling you why it would reveal where I'm headed, and I don't mean to be all magical about that, but the main thing...
04:52:14.000Listen, let me say, where you are headed...
04:52:53.000By the way, not to go back to Eddie Bravo apologetics, but I didn't finish my point back then.
04:52:57.000And I think it's an important point to make.
04:53:00.000He said to me something that was so fucking weird when he said and this was on top of him taking on a missionary stance with my inhalation of tobacco smoke so by then I was already like over a little defensive I was defensive and I didn't I was like I was too dumb at that time to like recognize like shit man this guy's got a fucking like He's a jiu-jitsu master.
04:53:23.000So what he's saying is not coming from a place of someone who hasn't worked really hard at a particular...
04:53:29.000He's saying, just don't kill your body.
04:57:09.000No, you didn't hate me, but you were irritated by me.
04:57:12.000Cause like, you don't remember when we first met, was in the ballet room, I was with Princess Cory, Cory Como, and like, I was trying to, at the time I was really into like, It wasn't even called trolling them, but it was like saying a thing opposite to what you should say.
04:57:40.000Because at the time, you were still in this incredible trajectory.
04:57:49.000I made a stupid joke about how weed was, like, bad.
04:57:52.000You know, I'd come from, like, I was like, you know, there's never been a time that I haven't been high for years, and, you know, especially then...
04:58:01.000But I made this dumb joke about how weed was bad and I remember you looked at me with such such like a scathing look of like because you had just started like understanding how wonderful marijuana was and you really thought I meant weed was bad and I remember Cory gave me this look of like no Duncan no don't don't do the joke It was a terrible moment!
04:58:26.000Because you weren't in a place where you could even, like, you weren't tolerating that because you were getting high and starting to realize that it wasn't probably what you...
04:58:36.000Well, I think when I first started smoking pot, I became a zealot.
04:59:58.000And I'll never forget that, right back from the Irvine Improv.
05:00:03.000I'll never forget it because, like, I'd never heard that Terrence McKenna speech.
05:00:07.000I knew about Terrence McKenna roughly from, like, you know, I had encountered him in my earlier years as a psychonaut, but, like, something about that particular lecture that you're playing, something about leaving something as weird as a comedy show, And this idea that he was saying,
05:00:24.000and this is the part that still sticks with me to this day, which is, you know, look, we are heading towards a point Of concurrence of events that is known as the singularity and that the closer we get to it, the more we're going to experience these things,
05:00:41.000tachyon particles being blown backwards through time that will produce these events in history that we call novelty.
05:00:48.000And something about that ride back and just that moment, me listening to it, I started thinking, it wasn't like I even thought this isn't real.
05:02:49.000It's like the problem is like where you're kind of in a bit of a bind is that all this human attention has been placed upon you and you have to wrestle with your identity because...
05:03:00.000That's why I need you to move to Austin.
05:03:02.000You don't need me in Austin, my friend.
05:04:53.000At this wonderful point in the book, this imperial, galactic representative of this imperialism is like sitting in a canyon with all his wounded men.
05:05:08.000And the Fremen, one of these tribal beings, is saying to them, you have to make a water decision.
05:05:15.000And what they mean by that is your wounded men you have to pick one of them to die and will render their body into water because in this world there's no water so you have to make a water decision and the fremen is interacting with a being in this pure way which is the only way you can act if you're truly into a nature you're innocent and it isn't like dark or anything it's like you have to make a water decision and the being is saying to him Like hesitating and the Fremen is saying
05:05:45.000to him, do you want me to make the water decision for you?
05:05:48.000And they don't mean it in an aggressive way.
05:05:50.000They mean like, would you, you love these people?
05:05:55.000Wouldn't you be enough to make the decision yourself?
05:05:59.000Fortunately in the book, one of them dies.
05:06:01.000And they're able to, like, rend their body into water.
05:06:04.000But what I'm saying is, like, the position of power in the whole series of Dune is based on this problem.
05:06:11.000Which is, like, if you get saddled with any kind of power, even if you want to pretend it's a kind of clownish power, You are still in a very difficult situation because you have to make a water decision.
05:06:25.000Like, you will have to, like, if you're Trump and you're a clown president, or if you're Obama, you're some advanced president, or Wayne, you are lost.
05:09:45.000I think the problem is, it's hilarious.
05:09:50.000In Star Trek, Captain Kirk, if you're going to be someone who gets to be a commander of a starship, you're given a problem that is unsolvable.
05:10:01.000So no matter what you do, you can't win.
05:10:04.000When you get to a certain level of power, any decision you make...
05:10:09.000On some level is wrong and right simultaneously.
05:10:14.000So I do not, you know, in my analysis of your podcast and all my deep judgmental qualities, I do not see what you're doing as being wrong at all.
05:10:27.000I see sometimes you make naive decisions that I would make too.
05:11:48.000You can't think about that, because it makes you feel crazy.
05:11:51.000Well, that's why I want to have you on, because I knew we were going to get drunk and get high.
05:11:54.000And the first episode would be as preposterous as an episode could be.
05:11:58.000Yeah, and then from this, you can have people on who are real pundits or whatever.
05:12:02.000I mean, look, man, anyone I've ever talked to, anytime I've ever been in this situation where people are talking shit about you, or like...
05:12:10.000Questioning my friendship with you because you had this person or that person on.
05:12:15.000If I'm friends with you, something's weird with you or me or whatever, I always and will forever stand up for you, man, because I know you.
05:12:27.000And to me, it's like, look, you got into this ridiculous predicament.
05:13:10.000Like, you're looking at someone who is exactly the being that you would hope...
05:13:16.000Would be the like result of like great government and great education and you're fucking attacking an ally.
05:13:23.000That's the part that gets me up where I get really bummed is it's like man you have to understand that person look you should if you ask me I feel like Duncan should I have Ben Shapiro on?
05:13:35.000I feel like no no there's so many better people to have on than that guy but it doesn't mean you can't have those other people on too Well, if you listen to me!
05:13:45.000But I would say to you, I go, listen, man, I know what you're saying, but if I just took you to dinner, you, me, and Ben Shapiro went to some fucking kosher joint.
05:14:48.000Interesting conversations about gay marriage, interesting conversations about all sorts of aspects of society, racial relations, Black Lives Matters.
05:14:59.000And he and I have talked about it in a very respectful way, even though we disagree.
05:15:08.000And I think that's the problem with putting a guy like that on some sort of a standard traditional talk show.
05:15:14.000You have him on and some social justice warrior and they argue with each other and you got a host and you break every seven minutes to go to commercial.
05:15:45.000And the reason I brought up Eddie Bravo is only because, like...
05:15:49.000I think what you're doing is really sweet and good, and I think your heart is in the same place it was when I met you a while ago, which is pretty bizarre.
05:15:57.000They would somehow maintain a thing that's integral.
05:16:03.000You meet people out here who go through rough patches, and they're not who they portrayed themselves as initially.
05:16:11.000They're actually con artists or fuck-ups or bad temporarily.
05:16:15.000I think people get better, but sometimes they're bad temporarily.
05:16:18.000You really like have like maintained this I think a really beautiful kind of North Star regarding your ethics and your consideration of things.
05:16:30.000So, yeah, man, I'm like, I'll do anything for you, really.