In this episode, I sit down with my good friend and former professional boxer Rafael Cordero. We talk about how he became a professional boxer, how he went from being overweight to being the lightest man in the world, and what it takes to become the best at what he does. We also talk about what it took for him to get to where he is now, and how he was able to go from being an overweight guy to being one of the fittest men in the entire world. I hope you enjoy this episode and that it inspires you to get in shape and get into the best shape of your life. I know that if you are struggling with your health and fitness, this episode is going to give you a lot of motivation and motivation to get back into shape. I hope that you enjoy it and that you find some value in this episode. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. I'll be looking out for you in the next episode! Thank you so much for listening and supporting this podcast, it really means a lot to me and I really appreciate it. XOXO. -Mike & Rory xoxo -Jon Sorrentino -Jon and Rory -Rafael Corderos - Jon & Rory Corderoes - Jon talks about his journey to becoming the light heavyweight champion and becoming the best in the business. Mike talks about how important it is to be in shape. -Jon talks about getting into shape and being in shape to prepare for his next fight and how to get into shape so that he can be the best he can make the most out of his day to day life. -Rory talks about training for his upcoming fight. - Jon explains how he got into the fight game and what he s going to be able to do in the best possible preparation. -Mike talks about the importance of getting in shape so he can get the best of his training to get the most of his best in order to be the most prepared for the next fight, and why he s ready for the most important fight he s the most he s getting the most reps he can prepare for the biggest fight he ever gets. -And much more! -Jon & Rory talks about what he did to get ready to go to the fight and what to expect in the ring. -Jared and Jon talk about his goals for the fight.
00:01:20.000And then somebody came, my brother-in-law said, hey, Mike, man, I know you're not going to win, but somebody said, would you fight this guy for like 40 million or 30 million bucks?
00:02:14.000And it went from him to somebody else, then another guy, then MMA, then this guy, and then somehow, no, some other fighters, Vanda, then it went from, who else?
00:03:38.000When you were working out with Cordero and you were ripping to the body and throwing those hooks, I was like, this is a man who's preparing to go to combat.
00:03:44.000This is not normal, getting ready to work out shit.
00:03:47.000That's why when I saw that video, I was like, oh.
00:03:49.000Want me to tell you something about that video?
00:05:24.000I think I'm in shape and then the next thing you know, you think you're in shape and then you start having, like, Ralphie will start throwing punches at me.
00:05:33.000It's like he'll fight and I can't punch back one.
00:06:12.000So you just started just training, and now here you are five months later, four months later, How far away do you think you are to being in, like, fighting shape?
00:06:46.000It's gonna be awesome because it's gonna be me and everyone else that's involved, Eros and anyone, Innovation, and we're going to start off the Legends Only League, and that's going to be really breathtaking, especially starting off with me and Roy.
00:07:04.000It's going to have athletes from every generation.
00:07:06.000It's an array of everybody who believes in someone.
00:07:11.000They're all going to come back in all fields, and this is going to be something that me and the Eros Intervention created together, and I think this is going to be pretty awesome.
00:07:22.000So Legends Only League would be like all sports, baseball, basketball, everything.
00:07:27.000Yeah, I think, imagine if something crazy like we did with Billie Jean King did, had somebody, yesterday, Serena, somebody playing McEnroe and that kind of stuff.
00:12:58.000When you go to your doctor, these people who have this alternative stuff, and you see the development, you see the healing process, and you say, come on, tell me this.
00:13:53.000If he was 100 pounds overweight, he was going to look good.
00:13:56.000He just really looks good when he does this.
00:13:58.000Roy Jones Jr. I mean, that's one of the things that makes this fight so exciting is that, you know, Roy is, like yourself, one of the all-time greats and still looks physically fantastic.
00:14:08.000Like, you see him moving around and hitting the pads.
00:15:15.000Holyfield would be a great one too, but it's just having a guy like that that has that big name that is also an all-time great and that also wants to do it too and to get the public excited.
00:15:24.000I mean, I think it's a perfect fight to get the public excited.
00:17:29.000So you get to excite yourself, challenge yourself, but the good is all going to an excellent cause.
00:17:35.000I won't have it in my mind or I'm getting paid.
00:17:36.000I used to want to never have that in my mind again.
00:17:39.000I never want to have, oh, I'm getting something for what I'm doing kind of attitude.
00:17:45.000Somebody said, and this was kind of hilarious, someone said, hey, I heard that they're just going to mess around and that they're not going to go for the knockout.
00:17:53.000I go, do you know who the fuck you're talking about?
00:17:55.000I go, you're talking about Mike Tyson and Roy Jones Jr. Do you really believe that?
00:18:00.000That two of the all-time greats, once they start throwing hands, that it won't get crazy?
00:18:05.000Well, of course it is, because both of us are who we are, and we're going to show our skills, and nobody's going to look stupid, and it's just going to be interesting, I think.
00:21:32.000You know, I realize that there's things that are good for other people, like the kale and the vegetables and all this stuff, the blueberry, and then for me, it's really poisonous.
00:23:12.000Well, you always have to have, and even if it's not so, you have to have, and that's where delusion comes in, because delusion is only delusional when you don't accomplish the goals of making your delusions a reality.
00:24:28.000Like some fights, particularly like Tyrell Biggs, or someone that you had problems with, someone that you had animosity towards, so when you could finally get your hands on them.
00:24:41.000Hey, what does it mean when fighting gets you erect?
00:26:14.000But I think that like all the things we were talking about before, the way you drive yourself, the way you push yourself, the way you put yourself into that frame of mind, no one's gonna understand that other than you.
00:26:23.000So no one's gonna understand you getting an erection from thinking about hurting someone.
00:27:23.000I don't like the way I think and I don't want God to be, you know, involved with the way I think at that time.
00:27:28.000Well, this is what's so interesting to me about you fighting again because of the conversation that we had the last time you were here that you didn't want to reignite your ego.
00:27:36.000Clearly, your ego is blazing right now.
00:28:04.000Yeah, that's why, you know, I was doing, if you don't mind me to interrupt for a second, I was, the book that talks to you, what do they call it?
00:28:18.000And the book was explaining about why that we are who we are in that perspective that most of the people like you and myself and people in general who is not at that level, even anyone that has a creative mind is victimized to depression.
00:28:34.000And the reason is because when that creative, when that moment, whatever it is that causes that creativity is not Fit the proper information that is successful and that is accepted in whatever space of the brain and the mind that wants to be accepted and is not accepted,
00:28:58.000Well, I feel like with someone like you, the highs that you reach in competing, the highs you reach in fighting, are so high that it's probably very difficult to just exist Outside of that.
00:29:14.000And I know you love pot for that reason because it calmed you down and mellowed you out and chilled you out.
00:30:08.000Yeah, but the fighting thing, to feed that, that experience, it's a different experience.
00:30:17.000And it's got to be so hard for a world championship fighter of your caliber to exist with, like, regular, normal, boring life.
00:30:27.000You know, when you're training and you're ramping yourself up for a big fight, and then you have that big fight, and you knock out Spinks, In front of the whole world and you're walking around the ring and you're on the cover of every magazine, the highs of that, the accomplishment,
00:30:43.000the training, and then the competing itself, the experience is so alien to most people that when you walk around with regular folks in regular life, it's gotta be hard to exist.
00:32:14.000That's the reason why I did it, just to be healthy.
00:32:19.000This stuff goes on, then this, and then I meet a doctor and say, hey, you know, you should do this and this, and you should try a stem cell.
00:32:25.000I'm like, you never tried a stem cell?
00:32:26.000But this is what really got me interested in this stuff.
00:32:31.000I interviewed, which I like to do you as well, On my podcast, if you're licensed to do it, it's your contract won't let you do it.
00:33:17.000And I met some other people who were just on top of their game with this anti-aging, all this stuff that's going on with this alternative stuff also.
00:33:29.000I met these people, and it was just amazing stuff.
00:33:33.000So you're able to now train all these days a week.
00:33:37.000You have, like, how many months in now?
00:36:00.000No, the reason why I kept him up, not necessarily because he was awesome, but because he put so much peace and love and stuff to the whole family, the whole camp.
00:36:26.000And he also was a guy, that style, that shoot box style, they were very aggressive.
00:36:32.000And I was like, oh, that actually makes sense, him and you together.
00:36:35.000Yeah, when we do drills, the drills are what's going on.
00:36:38.000When we're hitting the mitts, it's no just, hey, hit the mitts, pop, pop, pop, boom, we're moving, it's action, boom, heart beating, heart beating, heart breathing, and we're just working at it.
00:36:50.000Yeah, I'm watching and I'm saying it's interesting because he's got you doing a lot of like side to side and angles.
00:36:57.000Oh yeah, listen, I do eight rounds on the bag and I do four rounds with me and I'm moving around.
00:38:49.000I mean, this fight is probably going to be one of the biggest fights of all time in terms of pay-per-view, in terms of people buying it and watching it.
00:39:42.000It was enough time for fans and everybody in Thanksgiving to be home and to be able to view it for the holidays and just be able to help more people, the more people that view it.
00:42:04.000I think once someone sees the dedication that you have, that you're actually fit, that you're actually moving fast, and you actually can compete at a very high level.
00:43:46.000So the next time you sparred again, you just could get back into the mindset of what it's like to be competing and moving with another person.
00:43:54.000Yeah, and you can't go for the kill because your body's not moving for the kill now.
00:44:01.000Ooh, this is going to be interesting when you hear this.
00:44:03.000And the fighter probably doesn't understand that, but as he gets older, you have to develop Reacquaint a relationship with your mind and your body.
00:44:11.000Your legs go here before your body's ready to go with it sometimes.
00:45:23.000Yeah, because the more you do it, the better it is.
00:45:25.000Right, the more your timing is, the better you feel.
00:45:27.000What are your thoughts on, like, some people think that you could spar too much and then you leave too much in the gym because you get hit too much in camp?
00:45:34.000Well, that's the whole thing you learn in camp, not to get hit.
00:45:37.000That's the art of boxing, learning not to get hit in the fight, and you have to do that by trying to get hit in the gym real seriously and avoiding that.
00:45:47.000So you shouldn't be in the gym saying, I've been hit too much because you shouldn't get hit because that should be the objective of fighting, not to get hit as much as you believe you are.
00:45:57.000What do you say to a fighter that sees themselves getting hit too much though in sparring?
00:46:01.000Do you tell them to take some time off or do you say...
00:46:05.000I try to teach them how not to avoid those punches.
00:46:09.000And if he doesn't, I don't really want to have much to do with somebody, because I don't want to be involved with somebody getting hit and getting hurt and stuff like that.
00:46:17.000Well, I know you were doing a lot of coaching of just even little small sessions with different fighters, and there's a bunch of stuff on the internet.
00:46:26.000Did you think about doing that in the future?
00:46:30.000It just takes a really special person to do that.
00:46:34.000You gotta be a mother, a father, a psychiatrist, a dietitian.
00:46:38.000It's just so many hats you have to wear in being a trainer.
00:46:41.000A good trainer, a true trainer to yourself and your fighters.
00:46:44.000It's just a lot of hats that's really overwhelming for me and my personality.
00:46:49.000I totally can understand that, but I would also imagine that in your mind, there's some knowledge that I would love to see passed on to other fighters in a way like a trainer.
00:47:16.000Cuss would love to answer all my questions because Cuss wanted the perception that he knew everything and you should listen to him and take his advice because he knew everything.
00:47:28.000If you was his friend, you always came to him for advice.
00:47:30.000He always wanted advice, wanted to give his advice and let you know that he was a superior thinker and that you should come to him and he'll settle your problems.
00:49:37.000They got to be handcuffed when they leave the cottage and stuff.
00:49:41.000And so that's where I've gotten my tutelage.
00:49:45.000That's where I learned to go to school.
00:49:47.000That's where I've learned everything in this bad boy place, this place where all the bad kids at.
00:49:52.000Since they had to have extreme kind of guard, steer, security, Mr. Stewart was a professional boxer, and he would teach the kids how to box if they behaved themselves and got on a certain level in which you can go back there and box.
00:50:06.000And guys were coming back to their dorms.
00:50:08.000I wasn't on the level to go because I had just got there, so they put me in the back to lock you up to see what kind of person you are, so they put you in the group.
00:50:17.000And I see these guys coming back with their eyes busted, teeth knocked out of the ribs, but they were happy and they're laughing about this.
00:50:27.000And I say, yo, what's going on and what's happening?
00:50:28.000They say, yo, we're fighting Mr. Stewart, we're boxing Mr. Stewart, and stuff, and they're happy with them bleeding, tooth knocked out the head.
00:50:35.000But they were happy and there was enthusiasm.
00:50:37.000I said, I wanted to do that too because I wanted to be tough.
00:52:10.000You might have been short, but you had the best style, and Cuss developed that with you, the best style to deal with the fact that you were shorter.
00:52:20.000The bobbing and the weaving, the constant pressure.
00:53:24.000Like, that's where the crazy adjustment has to come in, where you have to learn how to be, and that's where cannabis helped you a lot, too.
00:56:25.000But that, what we were talking about, where the very fire that gets you to be Mike Tyson, that turns you into this destroyer inside the ring, will, if you don't learn how to control it, will fuck you up in every other aspect.
00:57:58.000He's one of those dudes, you listen to him sing, you hear him play music, you see him do stand-up comedy, then you see him act, you're like, this fucking guy can do anything.
00:58:05.000He's just one of those dudes that can just lock in on something and he can do anything.
00:58:10.000Yo listen, when the light is on you, when the universe put the light on you, there's nothing stronger than a person whose time has come.
01:01:09.000I have a treadmill that you have to put on some shorts first.
01:01:23.000You can zip the shorts with the plastic that covers the machine and you start running and then you can run as fast as you can and you won't feel anything.
01:04:00.00020 years old, and then we're going to have him portrayed as a 25. And he just never get it right.
01:04:06.000When somebody understands the environment that they lived in at that particular time, and they create that environment again in their mind once they're under the influence of that person they're portraying, Jamie's going to just knock it out the park.
01:04:20.000He'll knock it out the park, for sure.
01:04:22.000He understands that environment and that chemistry he's going to reconnect.
01:04:29.000Now, are you going to be a consultant on this move or anything to make sure that it's all legit?
01:05:08.000Do you have knee problems or ankle problems these days?
01:05:12.000Yeah, I do, but the guys I work with, they take care of that right away.
01:05:18.000You know, it's almost like, it's like, I don't know, it's like, I don't know, I want to say healing like I'm 18, but it's almost like putting super glue on your joints.
01:05:41.000It is interesting what they can do today.
01:05:44.000You could heal and recover way better than you ever could before.
01:05:47.000There was no 54-year-old men that looked like you when we were kids.
01:07:18.000That he cared for the downtrodden people and this and that for the blacks and Latinos and Irish people who were being abused by the Irish people of that time, which is crazy.
01:07:50.000And when I read his book and I found it about him, he was successful his whole life.
01:07:55.000He was always the guy in the neighborhood that people came through to settle beefs and talk things over and loan people stuff and help people out.
01:08:03.000And he liked being in that position of being able to teach people something, what he believed was teaching them something.
01:08:11.000Well, when he died, this is very interesting.
01:08:14.000We went and died, and Camille, I lived with him and Camille, and we went out and cleaned the room, and when I saw it in the room, I saw all books about psychiatry and the mind and everything, and mystic stuff and all that stuff.
01:08:28.000And I said, this is what he was really about.
01:08:32.000Yeah, he just, like, he believed he was a mystic believer as well.
01:08:40.000He was just a believer in more than what we saw.
01:08:44.000You know, it was more than what we could physically articulate going on with us as human beings or what we are called.
01:08:52.000When you sit back and you think about your career and how fortunate you were to run into that guy, I mean, how much did that play a part in your mind?
01:09:01.000Like when you knocked out Trevor Burbick, became the youngest ever heavyweight champion, when you're thinking about that, did you ever stop and think like, man, how lucky am I that I ran into that man?
01:09:20.000I mean, you think about a man whose life work involved psychiatry, involved the mind, boxing, hypnosis, training all these boxers, Floyd Patterson, had all these great fighters, and then he wants one great one before it's over,
01:10:07.000Well, that was what I got out of all the things that I read about you and him together, and being able to talk to you about you and him, is that he gave you these tools to understand the way your mind worked, and you just ran with him.
01:12:01.000Yeah, but listen, the fact is, like, when they said they can't get people on the moon, because they didn't want to believe it.
01:12:10.000Because it's like, they don't want to believe it.
01:12:12.000But what they're going to say when it happens.
01:12:15.000I think there's a difference in today than there was in 20 years ago when you were dealing with a 54-year-old person, when you're talking about recovery, sports science, what they know about how to make the body work, what they know about training and conditioning.
01:12:31.000Yeah, but all you have to do, you could be on so many steroids and pills or whatever they got, health growth and all that stuff, but listen...
01:12:41.000You could be the best physical shape in your right if you don't go out there with a good mental perspective.
01:15:45.000If you microdose mushrooms and you're around people, especially if someone's lying to you, especially if they're pretending they're something they're not...
01:18:11.000But it's also, once I do shrooms sometimes, I know why I have to stop doing the shrooms, because I start doing it too much, and then I lose the concept of time.
01:18:20.000I might have been, like you say, me and my wife's in the car.
01:18:24.000We drop off the kid to a class that she goes once every week.
01:18:29.000We drop her off, then we come back to the house, and I just say, Hey, where's Milan?
01:18:35.000We just dropped off, Mike, and I lost that concept.
01:18:55.000And if you go there and if your body, if the shrooms tell you, hey, you shouldn't really be here, this is not worth our time, this is not what we're vibing on to reach the higher level, this becomes disastrous.
01:19:58.000Well, we're being fucked in this country because they keep that shit from us and they make it illegal.
01:20:02.000And so many people have learned great things about themselves through mushrooms and through all kinds of different psychedelics, especially micro-dosing.
01:20:10.000They learned how to stop us from drinking.
01:20:12.000They gave us a rule to stop us from drinking by taking shrooms and LSD and stuff.
01:21:12.000Yeah, the world is a strange place and stranger right now because of COVID and because everyone's locked down, society's kind of fucked up.
01:21:19.000I just think we as human beings, what we are, who we are, whatever we exist to be, we're fucking germs and we're the cause of everything that happens to us.
01:21:26.000I just always think that people let out the virus.
01:21:46.000Terence McKenna was a brilliant ethnobotanist.
01:21:49.000He was a guy that worked with plants and he was into psychedelics and he had a theory called the stoned ape theory and he believed that human beings became human beings because of psychedelics.
01:21:58.000He thinks that we developed into human beings when lower hominids, like ancient man, was experimenting with mushrooms.
01:22:43.000But the idea behind psilocybin is a bunch of ideas.
01:22:46.000One of them is that it actually can make people think about things like language, and that language could have come about From people making these connections from psilocybin.
01:22:56.000It also makes people a little bit more creative.
01:23:11.000And if you think about it, for long periods of time, if that became a part of the human diet, it would make sense that that was one of the things that made people better.
01:23:18.000No, it would make sense because the diet has always been abused.
01:23:19.000Our diet is being abused now because that's why we have the obesity.
01:23:41.000But don't you think that that same abuse, that's also what makes people great at things too?
01:23:48.000Because that same, almost the same mindset that allows someone to abuse drugs or abuse gambling and become obsessed with pornography also is the same mindset, if channeled the right way, that allows someone to become obsessed with boxing.
01:24:01.000What prevents them from doing the right thing from the wrong thing with the same feeling?
01:24:11.000The majority of the world is not even 50 years old.
01:24:16.000So this is going to be a struggle for the next 100 years.
01:24:33.000Because listen, our feelings are enslaved by our emotions and our emotions are enslaved by our feelings.
01:24:39.000And sometimes we sort of placate those emotions by drowning it in food or in booze or in gambling or sex or anything that can distract you.
01:25:14.000That's why it's so hard for people, because they have a memory of all the things they've done that's wrong, and they do it all the time, and that becomes who they think they are.
01:25:27.000Well, that's what's so exciting about you with this new chapter of your life.
01:25:30.000You've just completely changed who you are.
01:25:33.000You went from pot smoking Mike Tyson, who's running Tyson Ranch, who's this real nice guy to hang around with, doing hot boxing with Mike Tyson, fun to be with, everything's great, and all of a sudden, whoop, you shift right back into Mike Tyson, the murderer again.
01:28:33.000If I got fat, I would want somebody to yell at me.
01:28:35.000If somebody's not yelling at me and I found out and he thought that I was a fat motherfucker and he wouldn't tell me I wouldn't be a friend of him.
01:29:17.000Yeah, the only way it hurts people is if you don't listen.
01:29:19.000If someone says you're fat and then it hurts your feelings but you don't work out, then it hurts you.
01:29:24.000But if someone says you're fat and it hurts your feelings and you say, I'm going to use this as a motivator to get back in shape, then it helps you.
01:33:36.000And instead of looking at yourself as a center of the universe, when I did it, it just made me realize, like, no, you're part of this infinite thing.
01:34:29.000If that's what you hit me with, Adam and Eve, I'm going to go with these alien guys.
01:34:35.000Well, there's a lot of people that believe that we're the product of aliens, that aliens came down and did some experiments with lower hominids and did some accelerated genetic experiments and created people.
01:35:05.000An Asian man saw a Caucasian man that was an alien.
01:35:08.000A black man saw an Asian man and a white man that was an alien.
01:35:13.000Maybe they weren't aliens, but that's what they thought they were.
01:35:16.000They were just a tribe of people that encountered them, and perhaps they were getting extinct, they were dying, and they had to breathe through the lower, whatever you were saying.
01:35:30.000Because they had certain, as you may know, because I know you do these kind of researches, They already discovered there were different forms of species that's working down to us, that came from us, and now we're at the degree of, I guess, we're the human species of our era.
01:35:46.000Yeah, there was a bunch of different kinds of humans.
01:35:48.000Yeah, there was many, many different kinds of humans.
01:35:51.000And before, they were here millions of years before, millions of years before, After we were erectus, after we walked, they always been here.
01:36:03.000It's very rare that you can find a human life that wasn't erectus.
01:36:10.000They can find a skeleton of one that walked in all fours.
01:36:13.000The oldest person they found is 4.4 million years old.
01:37:32.000He's like 13, when he died, around 13, what, 14?
01:37:37.000His real reign was like in the 12s and the early 1300s.
01:37:41.000And first of all, he came from, he's real poor.
01:37:45.000His mother, his father, they all came, they got beat up, they took out.
01:37:48.000He had a woman, then they took his wife, but he got friendly with a real bad mother, a real, he was a criminal, but he was the baddest, oh, he was so bad.
01:38:15.000He said, these people took my wife, and he said, don't worry, I got many a wife.
01:38:18.000What are you worrying about that one wife?
01:38:20.000But I really loved her, because he really loved her.
01:38:22.000And so the guy said, listen, I'm going to help you get your wife back, but you don't ever tell nobody that we raided this city because of a woman, okay?
01:38:30.000And so he went back, and the guy got his wife back.
01:40:02.000Somebody that we don't think that's important and stuff.
01:40:05.000And then, as they became great through that, they may have gave birth to great children who were born with greatness, like Alexander the Great and stuff.
01:40:13.000Like Philip the Macedonian, that whole bloodline of Alexander, they were all kings, but they were all very small and insignificant.
01:40:21.000It was one Alexander before him that was...
01:40:24.000Pretty great and fought against the Persians, but eventually they lost and they pretty much kissed the Persians' ass.
01:40:30.000The Persians put them in the position of power until Philip of Macedonia came, who had the nickname AKA Philip the Barbarian.
01:40:39.000And he wanted to go across and enslave all the Persians and everybody after that, the world.
01:40:45.000And Alexander the Great, mother, who was a really interesting woman, I'm trying to say Albanian, maybe?
01:40:56.000And they had a different kind of study and worship and stuff back then, so he got caught up in that.
01:41:03.000His family didn't like her for that, but she arranged for...
01:41:07.000She arranged for Alexander's father, I think, to be killed, for Alexander could have the power, and her kids had the power she could lead to her kids while he was on campaigns, right?
01:42:05.000I was at the table eating with Cuss and a friend of mine named Craig Walsh said a statement, which he was wrong, but it sounds really good to make me investigate.
01:42:13.000He said Alexander the Great at his time was like 6'5", so at 6'5", 300 years before Christ, that was a giant, which was wrong.
01:43:33.000Who the fuck is here to take somebody else's property, take somebody else's stuff because he believes it's wrong, which it probably is wrong.
01:43:39.000I think it's wrong, but who the fuck is he?
01:46:25.000My son is the king of this country, a couple of countries, but I want my thought to come out of his mouth.
01:46:33.000Do you think the parents convinced the child that they were that special that they should run the world?
01:46:39.000Some of them do, but as some kids get older, like Ivan the Great, Ivan the Terrible, they get older and then they realize these people weren't right to me and they start killing his sponsors or the people that were ribbing step-parents and stuff.
01:46:53.000So when you were studying this, when you were coming up as a boxer and you're studying all these conquerors, you were trying to understand their mindsets.
01:47:22.000So when you're reading all these books about all these conquerors, when you're a young man and you're on your way to becoming the youngest ever heavyweight champion, and you're trying to take on the mindset of the conquerors, and you find out they all ask God for forgiveness, how did that affect you?
01:50:06.000When you're talking about they all would seek forgiveness from God, it's so interesting to me that you turned to cannabis and cannabis allowed you to forgive yourself.
01:50:17.000Yeah, listen, the reason why they ask for forgiveness for God, this is why, this is interesting that you said that, it's because they believe they were God.
01:50:25.000And they have had to, at the end of the day, realize and check themselves.
01:53:22.000They didn't do it for, we're going to help our people.
01:53:24.000They did it to take things because they could.
01:53:27.000Now, when you were coming up as a fighter and you were reading all these things about conquerors, you were fueling your mind in that way and you were also studying a lot of fights.
01:53:38.000You studied all the old school champions.
01:53:42.000Are you doing that now in this resurgence?
01:53:46.000No, but I think I know everything about them already.
01:53:49.000I did the research when I was a kid, so I started going to the other level.
01:53:55.000So I go from the level of these guys that are fighters, the gladiators, all those guys, so I go from them to the generals, and from the generals to the guards.
01:54:07.000But that occupied a lot of your time when you were training, right?
01:54:16.000When you were watching those old school tapes, if you were watching Jack Dempsey or Harry Greb or any of these old school fighters, there was something about that that was providing you the inspiration.
01:54:28.000You were learning from it, but it was also you were getting yourself into this mindset.
01:54:32.000Yeah, because I know if I was like these, the customers tell you, the more you win, the more you beat these guys, the more the people applaud, the more you enjoy doing it.
01:54:43.000And I wanted the people to have the same feeling towards me that I had towards the older fighters of yesterday.
01:58:47.000You lose a fight, you shake the guy's hand, you go to the gym, you work harder, prepare for the fight, you win the fight, you don't win the fight, you prepare harder, wait for the next fight, you win the fight, you don't get to fight, fight some other guys, you win the fight, then fight them again.
01:59:00.000The name of the game is that you stay busy, you keep working.
01:59:04.000How much different would things have been if Kost stayed alive?
02:00:16.000I wish he could have probably seen, you know, what I did, how I did, and how my kids turned out, and how they all went to great schools, and they did cool things, and they're just kids, and they're really...
02:00:26.000They're just really sweet kids that really don't understand life yet, and maybe because they didn't have a father like I had, things are different than it was for me.
02:02:57.000I think I know this guy's out and dirty and teeth fell out and this guy started enlightening me and shit and then he has to tell me to leave because I'm stuck there.