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00:01:23.000Listen, my dream here, Spotify, if you're listening, my dream as a little boy is to play Stevie Ray Vaughan or Jimi Hendrix on the Joe Rogan Experience and not be nervous about it being taken down or something because I don't have the rights to cover the song or whatever.
00:01:43.000I wonder how that works for the artist.
00:01:45.000Well, for someone like Stevie Ray Vaughan or Jimi Hendrix, they're both dead, so it would be the estate of the artist, which oftentimes, I believe, probably makes it more slippery.
00:03:53.000But Eric Clapton went and saw Jimi Hendrix play live and he was such a talent that everybody else was like, what are we doing?
00:04:05.000Yeah, the cool thing is, I mean, I don't know if you know, but Eric Clapton and Jimi Hendrix both play a Fender Strat, so it's the same guitar.
00:04:13.000So I can imagine, and then Eric Clapton has this warm, smooth tone, and I can just imagine Eric Clapton singing, like, how the fuck did he get that sound out of that thing?
00:08:08.000I mean, the fun tension, because you're a health guy, you talk about how to be healthy, how to almost have a balance, but then at the same time you say that you celebrate the self-destruction that led to the genius of Jimi Hendrix.
00:08:26.000It's not that I celebrate the self-destruction.
00:08:28.000The self-destruction is an unfortunate aspect of that path.
00:08:33.000And there's a lot of weirdness to Jimi Hendrix's death.
00:08:37.000He had a gangster manager who apparently had him kidnapped just so that he could rescue him and convince Jimi that he was his savior.
00:08:47.000There's a book that was written on it that accuses this manager of killing Jimi Hendrix.
00:08:54.000And saying that they also threw his girlfriend off a roof and she did either jump off a roof or was thrown off a roof and died shortly afterwards because she knew too much or whatever.
00:09:07.000It was one of Hendrick's bodyguards or someone who worked for the manager that wrote the story, but...
00:09:13.000The thing about that path, the path of drugs and destruction, it's been a path of many of my idols, whether it's Kinison or Richard Pryor or even Hicks.
00:09:28.000You know, Hicks died from cancer, but a lot of that is probably attributable to him.
00:09:34.000Chain smoking and just a lot of drugs and stuff when he was younger and just destroyed his life.
00:09:40.000And then it's also like pancreatic cancer is a genetic thing as well.
00:09:43.000You never really know what's causing pancreatic cancer.
00:09:48.000Your conversation with Mike Tyson actually symbolizes this in a really interesting way for me because here you have one of the greatest fighters ever who somehow found inner peace through the whole marijuana thing but just the way he was behaving just was positivity and just this good vibes putting him out there and yet he now for at least a brief moment in his life rediscovered the darkness like I was watching
00:10:18.000your podcast with him and the moment when you said like you were like having another level chat he just took you like a few levels up by saying like that you know when he thinks about hurting people sometimes it's orgasmic yeah and you you try to laugh it off but there's like memes of he's like no I'm serious Well,
00:11:23.000It makes me, as somebody who wants to see truth and positivity win out in the world, it pains me to think about the debates between Biden and Trump.
00:11:36.000I don't think they're going to happen.
00:14:46.000But, you know, there's comics that are doing stand-up in these Zoom things, and it's like, you know how you charge battery, you have to connect the positive, and then you have to connect the negative.
00:14:58.000You know, you have to, there's two cables that you have to connect the two of them together.
00:15:03.000If you only connect one, it doesn't work.
00:15:18.000And in a lot of ways, one of the things that Trump does outside of these speeches and get everybody excited about things, he's doing stand-up.
00:16:21.000I mean, no one gets better when they're 100. It's not like, the guy's 100 and all of a sudden he runs faster, he talks better, he's reading more and writing more, he sees better.
00:16:55.000So whether or not he's still got that kind of timing...
00:16:58.000That's a real question, but if him and Biden get into a debate situation and he hits Biden with a couple of zingers like that, I mean, I don't...
00:17:09.000So how do you think Biden might get out of the debates?
00:17:11.000He's gonna have to get out of the debates.
00:17:13.000I mean, if they're smart, if I was a democratic strategist, there's no fucking way I would let him debate.
00:17:18.000Like, listen, we're winning because it's the only reason why people are winning.
00:17:22.000The only reason is because they want Trump out of office.
00:17:43.000If Tulsi Gabbard was in that position, dude, she could be president.
00:17:46.000I know the Democrats, for whatever fucking reason, didn't want her to be, but if she got into that position when she was debating, if she was debating with Trump and people saw her and saw her record Saw the fact that she served overseas twice, saw the fact she's been a congresswoman for six years, saw how well she speaks,
00:18:27.000Not somebody who is, you know, Joe Biden's strategy currently is to just sit back and don't say anything and let Trump destroy himself.
00:18:35.000Well, every time he says something, he jumbles his words up and he fucks things up and he forgets where he is and it's like, you know, he's had multiple brain surgeries.
00:19:00.000I don't know if you listen to Andrew Yang these days, but he's...
00:19:03.000Andrew's teaming with ideas, with energy, with excitement, with a passion of different ways of things we can do.
00:19:12.000That's what we need now, is an inspiring leader that unites.
00:19:18.000Brett Weinstein is on his big, as he talked about on your podcast, like uniting, having basically a center-left and a center-right candidate, just uniting the nation.
00:19:29.000Yeah, I'm sending this to you right now, Jamie.
00:19:42.000What you're looking for from a guy who's running for president.
00:19:48.000One of the biggest things he's known for is universal basic income.
00:19:51.000He's basically saying, hey, guys, look, automation is coming, and there's going to be a lot of people out of work.
00:19:56.000And how bright does he look now that we have seen that not automation, but the pandemic took out so many of these jobs, and we did need universal basic income.
00:20:07.000And that same sort of a situation could happen with...
00:20:13.000I mean, from what we're dealing with now to what we could be dealing with with another pandemic plus automation, you're going to see a lot of people that are out of work.
00:20:21.000And it went from a place of people wanting economic prosperity to, hey, let's just make sure that people don't lose their houses.
00:22:39.000Sorry, but the other mic picked it up.
00:22:42.000We should press it like in unison, yeah.
00:22:45.000Contrast this idea that they were going after this guy for loose cigarettes based on what happened after the George Floyd protests where people were smashing windows and stealing things out of stores and the cops were just standing there.
00:24:05.000There's one really good video from the beginning of the George Floyd protest where this one cop in Flint gets together and says to this group of people that's protesting, we're with you.
00:24:37.000We want people that are police officers that have strong character, someone who's an exceptional human being.
00:24:43.000I think that's who you have to be to have that job.
00:24:46.000And defunding the police is not a solution to that in any kind of way.
00:24:50.000I mean, this is what I think most people probably don't realize is, yeah, it takes an exceptional human being to be a police officer in a sense that you have to be, especially in these times, you have to be patient because basically a large percentage of the population is at best skeptical,
00:25:12.000Yeah, especially now and during all that you have to still maintain calm, you have to establish control, you have to help people, you have to serve the community, all those things.
00:25:23.000It takes an exceptional man or woman to do that.
00:25:26.000And it's depressing to think because the exceptional humans in our society, who would want to join the police force now?
00:25:34.000Well, I talked about this with Edward Snowden recently.
00:25:39.000One of the things that we said was that what really needs to be done is we need to do something at the root cause of it.
00:25:46.000Why are there still these deeply impoverished communities in this country that haven't changed since the 60s?
00:25:52.000And there's been no work done to try to improve them.
00:25:55.000Or whatever work has been done has been ineffective.
00:26:05.000There's so much crime because there's so many communities that it's just deeply entrenched in what they are, whether it's South Side of Chicago or parts of Detroit.
00:26:16.000If you want to lower crime, you have to increase economic opportunity.
00:26:55.000The sad thing about the way the stimulus is being distributed, at least my worry is that it creates a greater gap in wealth, wealth disparity, versus a lesser one.
00:27:08.000So all the problems you're mentioning, it's only going to make them worse.
00:27:11.000So people who are not well off are going to become worse.
00:27:15.000The opportunity for jobs is going to be lesser.
00:27:18.000The opportunities for people who are going to lose their businesses, that means...
00:27:23.000Their dreams are broken, essentially, and the people who worked for the people who ran the businesses are going to not have a job.
00:27:31.000And all of that creates a greater disparity within those communities, greater desperation.
00:27:45.000It talks about the 30s and the rise of Hitler in Germany.
00:27:49.000And the pain, both economic and psychological, turns into this dark energy that can be combined with a charismatic leader to go into a direction of hatred versus love and progress.
00:28:07.000I don't think we have a competent, charismatic leader that would do that in the positive or negative direction, but I do hope a leader arises that uses that energy of pain.
00:28:25.000To do something good in a positive way.
00:29:40.000I mean, using the military-industrial complex to control the population, that kind of idea.
00:29:48.000The thing is, you have to separate Hitler, the evil person that created the Holocaust, from the general evil charismatic leader that took the country into, used nationalism to take the country into a dark place in the 30s.
00:31:10.000Like, by any means necessary, you'll distort your own views of a person in order to diminish that person so that you can succeed and they fail.
00:31:56.000Yeah, so turning it into a game, a rap battle.
00:31:59.000I mean, my worry is that we're going to get in 2024, 2028, Donald Trump Jr. versus like AOC. So you basically take like the most entertaining Instagram accounts or whatever.
00:32:14.000In the most divisive ones, who's going to have the best memes of tearing each other down?
00:34:23.000I think there's a hunger for a populist that wants to revamp the system.
00:34:27.000It doesn't matter whether or not they'd actually be able to do it.
00:34:30.000I mean, there's so many checks and balances in place to sort of prevent that from happening because they're worried about someone doing it for the wrong reasons.
00:34:37.000Well, if there's a positive view on our current president, Donald Trump, is he showed that you don't have to follow the rules.
00:34:46.000You don't have to follow the rules of the system.
00:34:59.000Even if I'm young, even if I'm an AOC-type character or whatever, on the right, even Donald J. Trump, Jr., sorry, Donald Trump, is he also a J? Well, he's Jr., so he must be a J. Okay.
00:35:14.000Yeah, the way Junior works, you have to have the same middle name as well.
00:36:52.000Ms. Pat had something on her Instagram about NFL players yesterday.
00:36:57.000About like seven NFL players have fathered 52 children from 48. There was one guy who had like 26 kids a couple years ago or something like that.
00:37:37.000The problem is it's pleasurable and we're all super drawn to it because it's part of our DNA to be sexually attracted to whoever and that's how you make people.
00:38:13.000I don't, I can't, I haven't looked into this carefully, but there seems to be a lot of debate about whether to worry about overpopulation or not.
00:38:21.000Like, I've posted these, like, projections of the population when we're going to reach 10 trillion people.
00:38:31.000People, billion people, and there's a lot of debate of whether that is, like, we should be worried about or not.
00:38:39.000On the one side, the natural carrying capacity of Earth, people say that we have way more resources than we need.
00:38:50.000Some places are very resource poor, but they have high populations, and that's a gigantic problem.
00:38:56.000And most of the population growth in the 21st century will be in Africa.
00:39:01.000If you look at the models, and Africa will have, I believe, more people than the rest of the world by the end of the century, if the population continues.
00:39:11.000If you talk about large families, they're happening in Africa.
00:39:15.000The thing about Africa though is it actually can fit most of the world in it when you realize how big Africa is.
00:39:21.000I had no idea until we started doing this podcast and Jamie pulled up this image of like Europe and Asia and the United States and all these other countries stuffed into the continent of Africa.
00:39:32.000It's only then you realize how big Africa actually is.
00:39:50.000It's interesting that some animals have mating seasons.
00:39:54.000You know, like deer have mating seasons.
00:39:57.000They go into the rut in the fall, and then the does are in estrus, and they give out the scent, and the bucks go crazy, and they're chasing them all around, but they only do it once a year.
00:40:08.000And in the spring, they give birth to the new fawns.
00:40:11.000And this is like, it's really common in the wild for animals to have a season.
00:40:43.000I mean, I don't know if lions and tigers, for instance.
00:40:48.000I had a bit that I used to do about tigers because I watched this Discovery Channel show where they said when the female tiger is in season, the male can mate with her as many times as 52 in a day.
00:43:12.000Some people think that there's Jupiter, Moon of Jupiter, Europa.
00:43:19.000It's fascinating to think that there's life currently or at least recently on Mars.
00:43:25.000And it's fascinating to think what the evolutionary process on those planets has resulted in.
00:43:32.000And when we show up, I talked to somebody, I forget who, oh, I think a biologist, the colleague faculty at MIT. He mentioned that, because my worry would be if we encounter life on another planet, it would be destructive to us humans,
00:43:53.000With this virus we're experiencing now, my natural thought, I don't know what I'm talking about with biology, but my natural thought would be when you touch that life itself, It might basically be a parasite to take advantage of you somehow.
00:44:09.000But he said that likely there's a certain kind of distance that happens if it's far enough away in terms of the kind of energy it uses, the kind of environment it's adapted to, that it basically won't even notice humans.
00:44:25.000It won't know how to take advantage of the resources we provide.
00:44:29.000So that's a hopeful message that we basically could study it safely.
00:44:34.000But isn't that just purely speculative?
00:44:36.000Because if it's in the Goldilocks zone and you have something that is also carbon-based biological life that is a similar temperature range that it exists in, it easily could eat us.
00:46:12.000He's a fighter jet pilot for the Navy, and he discovered a UFO off the coast of San Diego that, when they tracked it, went from 60,000 feet to one feet in a second or less.
00:47:16.000So the thing I was going to say, there's a lot of interesting things to say about this, but I just remembered that it felt like from that entire experience that because it didn't have a Chinese or Russian flag on it, whatever he saw, is we tend to,
00:47:33.000just the entire system doesn't want to acknowledge it.
00:47:38.000You just, you don't know what to do with it.
00:47:40.000So they actually, most of, like when you return back to the ship, and there's a bunch of pilots that put, you know, that saw it.
00:47:47.000There's a lot of people that witnessed it, and there's also the video.
00:47:50.000You know, the majority of the people didn't know what to do with it.
00:47:52.000They just went on with their day, like nothing happened.
00:47:55.000You know, they kind of made fun of each other, whatever, for, you know...
00:49:14.000My speculation is they are slowly spoon-feeding us information to allow people to be more comfortable with the inevitable arrival of something.
00:49:26.000If they believe that something's coming, they don't want it to happen all at once.
00:49:29.000You see what happens just with the pandemic.
00:49:31.000You see what happens with George Floyd.
00:49:33.000You see what happens with any time there's a big shock to our system and there's chaos in the streets.
00:50:21.000And this is such a fascinating question.
00:50:23.000If the government is in possession of an alien spacecraft, what is the right way to release that information?
00:50:32.000The real problem is if it's more potent than any weapon that any civilization has currently on this planet.
00:50:40.000So if the United States is in control of this vehicle that is more potent and can do things that, like, if you really do have something that can go from 60,000 feet to one foot in under a second, that defies all of our understandings of speed,
00:51:23.000And so there could be same kind of tricks on perception that you could just be playing different kinds of amazing secret human created technology that is able to deceive the human eye.
00:51:36.000I mean, but the thing about it is they tracked it.
00:51:38.000It wasn't just that it was the human eye that saw this and it's deceptive.
00:51:43.000But also like the stealth bomber, you know, the way it's designed, it blocks radar or radar doesn't catch on to it.
00:51:49.000I think it is possible that some human created technology that's so far advanced from anything that we're currently That we currently understand in terms of mainstream propulsion experts and fighter pilots like David Fravor and military people.
00:52:09.000It is possible that some civilization, one of the big civilizations on this planet, whether it's China or Russia, has come up with something that's above and beyond what everybody knows.
00:52:45.000There will be nothing more inspiring than the government in an inspiring like Neil deGrasse Tyson way coming out and saying we have not releasing the videos like they did which is I don't know if you know but they just put videos on a website like there's not there's nothing he's just videos it's just like would like some boring documents and describe like nothing they're not inspiring we're not talking about like Neil deGrasse Tyson or like Carl Sagan Cosmos style Like a beautiful,
00:53:27.000Let's imagine you are the leader of the United States, and you find out, or whatever, the head of the Navy military intelligence program, whoever you are, you're a person that's in a position where you realize that this thing is from another world, and you have this responsibility to try to somehow or another publicize this.
00:53:58.000You mentioned there's this inclination to think like, how can I figure out a way to use this as a weapon to destroy Russia or China?
00:54:08.000As opposed to seeing it like going to Mars, colonizing Mars, or going to the moon originally.
00:54:17.000There is some competitive element, but mostly it's a human pursuit of understanding and human pursuit of overcoming our limited knowledge to sort of unlock mysteries of this universe.
00:54:30.000From a physics perspective, from an engineering perspective, I would release all the information I have And release it in a way that gets the Neil deGrasse Tyson folks in the loop.
00:54:42.000So it's almost like an inspiring effort for us as a humanity to understand what the hell this thing is versus let's keep it secret and see if we can use it as a weapon.
00:54:55.000Well, I appreciate that you think that way because you're a scientist.
00:54:58.000You're thinking about it in a very positive way to try to expand our education and our understanding of this thing.
00:55:07.000But you've got to realize that anything that surpasses any and all technologies that we currently enjoy in terms of fighter pilots and jets and military superiority, if there's something that just...
00:55:22.000If everybody has a Model T and you have a Ferrari, or better yet, you have a Tesla, you have a Model S, and everybody's got a Model T, you're in a race.
00:55:33.000You have something that is so far above and beyond what everybody else has.
00:56:15.000If they have something like that that's powered by something that we can't even imagine, and you figure out how to use that here on Earth, you'll have technical superiority.
00:56:24.000Technological superiority over every other civilization, every other country.
00:56:28.000In that technological superiority, it's so funny us chimps are still talking about...
00:56:35.000We want our village to be better than the next village.
00:56:37.000When there's an alien civilization that's a million years more advanced, that can easily destroy us if it wanted to.
00:56:46.000Or actually understands the nature of existence in this universe on levels that are like...
00:56:53.000We chimps talk about meditation and finding inner peace.
00:56:58.000On such a deeper level, like the nature of consciousness, the nature of intelligence, the meaning of life, all that weird stuff that we're so obsessed with, it understands it on another level.
00:57:09.000And here we are thinking about what the Russians are doing versus understanding that mystery.
00:57:17.000In the face of that mystery, something that's far more intelligent than us, I think we can't...
00:57:24.000It's a ridiculous notion to think we're anything but one human village.
00:57:31.000And in terms of weapons, because you said get all the girls or whatever, I think the weapons thing is the key thing.
00:57:38.000And we already, at least the major nations, have all the weapons we need to destroy each other.
00:57:44.000It's like, we don't need extra weapons.
00:57:48.000Well, I mean, it feels like your hypothesis would be like, if an alien technology was here and we'd figure it out, we'd be able to have something that destroys...
00:58:05.000Other chimp villages an order of magnitude more efficiently than nuclear weapons, thereby having an asymmetrical, sort of from a game theory perspective, power over other nations.
00:58:20.000That's the perspective from which they're thinking.
00:58:24.000I'm not even saying that they're thinking that way.
00:58:26.000I'm thinking a human would think that if they had control of this vehicle.
00:58:30.000I'm not saying that the aliens would think this way.
00:58:32.000I'm thinking also that we are constantly innovating.
00:58:35.000When you talk to people that are designing jets and planes and fighter pilots and they're talking about new systems that they've created and new weapons, they don't just sit back and say we have enough weapons to destroy Russia and China and the rest of the world combined so we're just going to stop.
00:58:56.000This is not how human beings innovate.
00:59:19.000If you do really have something that can go from 60,000 feet to one feet in less than a second, you're dealing with something that we don't understand.
00:59:36.000Well, we're in this weird place where we kind of agree to not use our best weapons.
00:59:42.000Like when there's a face-off between the United States jets and a Russian jet and they come close to each other, like over China or something like that.
00:59:52.000It's weird because we're not shooting at each other, but we're real close.
00:59:57.000And even the missiles that we have, they're not nuclear.
01:00:01.000But we're involved in a skirmish with another country.
01:00:09.000If we approached war the way people approached war in the Middle Ages, we would just nuke the fuck out of everybody that talks shit, right?
01:00:42.000If we got in control of some UFO and we're able to get to China quicker, how much of a difference would that make in terms of the way they responded to our military?
01:02:16.000But doing so, did he prevent a lot of other death because Germany would have gotten it, or Japan would have gotten it, and they would have used it on Europe, and they would have used it on the United States?
01:02:31.000That there's a race going on, that people understand that splitting the atom is possible, that nuclear weapons are feasible, and whoever gets them first is going to have a massive advantage.
01:02:40.000We got them first, and therefore we became the preeminent superpower.
01:02:49.000You know, what if there was a bunch of knuckleheads working for the United States and the Russians and the Germans and the Japanese were all working together and they came up with something far better?
01:02:58.000Obviously, the Russians were against the Germans in that war.
01:03:01.000But I mean, you fit together any superpowers at the time, if they got together with their scientists, and they figured out a nuclear bomb first, just dropped it on San Francisco.
01:03:11.000Well, how much would the world be different now?
01:03:13.000I mean, in Russia, Stalin is a complicated figure, so he was on the side of the United States at the time.
01:03:29.000It's actually quite surprising to me that we got out of the 20th century alive.
01:03:35.000From a perspective of Oppenheimer, I think he probably wondered if we're going to destroy ourselves within the next decade, no matter what happens.
01:03:47.000When you have weapons that can destroy all of civilization, especially now with hydrogen bombs, it's complicated to talk about anything like alien technology.
01:04:28.000They saw these destructive weapons, and so they actually, in Roswell, or whatever it is, planted a piece of technology that we should figure out.
01:04:38.000They'll be an infinitely powerful generator of love versus destruction.
01:04:43.000So they're like, okay, these chimps are not going down the wrong path.
01:04:46.000Let us plant some stuff where they figure out how to be enlightened.
01:05:42.000A friend of mine told me this story that he saw two mounds of fire ants and that he did this experiment where he took a bucket and he scooped up ants from one fire ant colony and scooped up ants from the other and then dumped them on the opposite colonies and watched them fight to the death.
01:06:19.000They have like a collective intelligence.
01:06:21.000Because we tend to think of individual ants, but somehow as an organism together in the thousands of ants, millions of ants, there's somehow a collective intelligence that emerges.
01:06:36.000There's this whole field of computer science called ant colony optimization.
01:06:41.000Like, if we just simulate nature-inspired optimization algorithms, they somehow figure out how to do stuff in an emergent way.
01:06:51.000We don't have mathematics to deal with, like...
01:06:53.000When you have a bunch of distributed organisms doing dumb stuff, just looking at their neighbors, when you look at the system as a whole, intelligent stuff emerges.
01:08:18.000So you can calculate the average population of Austin because it has the information of the number of people, the number of areas, all that, whatever.
01:08:38.000Do you know what a theory of everything is?
01:08:40.000It's a unification of all the different laws of physics so that with one theory you can describe everything that's happening around us.
01:08:48.000And the reason I bring that up, because we're talking about ants, Stephen Wolfram's idea, he has this model of the universe that's what's called a hypergraphist.
01:09:01.000Really simple system that grows with a single rule like it expands it starts from just a couple of Points that are connected with a line and then it grows with a single simple rule just like ants interact really simply this system grows And his theory is that it can grow to create our entire universe.
01:09:21.000From it, it doesn't have a concept of space or time like we perceive it, the three-dimensional space and the fourth dimension of time.
01:09:29.000But all of that emerges within the system.
01:09:32.000We chimps are one in 10 to the 120 part of that incredible infrastructure that grows.
01:09:41.000And he mathematically describes the way this thing grows.
01:09:45.000We don't currently have good mathematics for modeling the way such systems grow.
01:09:51.000There's something called cellular automata where it's really called game of life.
01:09:57.000Unfortunately, John Conway that created the game of life died recently from COVID. It describes a very simple system where from simple rules you can have incredible complexity.
01:10:14.000Basically like one ant, or actually two ants, and then their interaction creates a system that's so incredibly complex, even though the underlying rules are simple.
01:10:28.000We don't understand why the hell that happens.
01:10:31.000We humans, from a scientific perspective, We know how to describe like a single system, the way an object moves.
01:10:38.000We don't have a math or even a science of describing how trillions of objects move when they interact simply with each other.
01:11:44.000So his hypothesis is one of these rules created the universe.
01:11:49.000Where this little rule of if you see a pattern on the left, create a pattern on the right.
01:11:54.000It creates these incredibly rich graphs.
01:11:56.000From which emerged, he's modeling all of quantum mechanics, of general relativity.
01:12:02.000So theory of everything needs to unify the physics of the big, which is general relativity, special relativity, and then the physics of the really small, which is quantum mechanics.
01:12:13.000And he, within those graphs, is able to find the emergence of these theories.
01:12:19.000First, the emergence of space and time.
01:12:22.000I mean, everything you need to describe for quantum field theory, all that kind of stuff.
01:13:11.000You know, when you get this far down the intellectual rabbit hole, how many people actually understand this to the point where they can read it, describe it accurately?
01:13:42.000But the cool thing about the Wolfram thing, set physics aside, it's just the part that a lot of people can understand, and I highly recommend curious undergrads, and really you don't need to know how to program...
01:13:58.000They understand how those beautiful things and the language in the movie Arrival can grow from simple rules.
01:14:10.000It's one of the most beautiful in terms of maybe take some mushrooms and if you want to see a beautiful concept is have a system that's really simple, like a few dots, like a tic-tac-toe board.
01:14:23.000And have rules that apply to that board that are really simple.
01:15:52.000It doesn't move, it just knows about itself.
01:15:54.000But when you zoom out and you look at the result from the system, it looks like there's objects running around.
01:16:00.000Like, the individual cells aren't running around, but it looks like the objects are running around.
01:16:05.000You can have messengers, you can have what are called spaceships, which are these mechanisms that use the cells and move around.
01:16:12.000Like, if you have any GIFs or videos of it, There's stuff that moves, and it seems like it's intelligent objects that communicate with each other, and all of that emerges.
01:16:23.000If you just think about it a little bit, you have to remind yourself that this animation right there, it looks like there's a moving object.
01:16:32.000I think these are called glider guns or something like that, where they shoot off objects of different kinds.
01:16:40.000But the individual cell knows nothing about anything except itself and its nearest neighbors.
01:16:46.000And as a result, you can nevertheless have arbitrary complexity, objects of arbitrary size that move around, that live and die, like I said, do any kind of computation in the world.
01:17:00.000It makes you realize that it's possible that this universe is just some simple dumb rules On a scale of 10 to the 120. Like an ant colony that just scaled to an arbitrary degree.
01:17:18.000And then we're like these clueless apes.
01:19:04.000If you go from single-celled organisms, you go from bacteria to what we know now as human beings.
01:19:11.000Just think of all the different steps that had to take place.
01:19:16.000And it moves towards greater and greater complexity, greater and greater ability to manipulate their environment, greater and greater ability to understand tools and 3D space, and how to manipulate things.
01:19:28.000One of the things that I've always been fascinated about with the concept of aliens is What if the general direction that we're leaning in as a society, like if you think about human beings today, we're so much more civilized than human beings were 5,000 years ago.
01:20:03.000But it's moving in this direction more rapidly now than ever before in terms of the innovation of objects and ideas.
01:20:10.000If you go back to a computer, like I remember I got a flat screen computer for the first, I don't remember when it was, but I remember I looked at one in 1995, I think it was, and it was like $20,000 in 95, and it was basically the size of that panel.
01:21:50.000And then there's this giant technological race for Samsung's coming out with a new Note 20 Ultra with fucking 100x zoom or all these different things that are happening.
01:22:21.000And one of the things that we do in terms of keeping up with the Joneses, materialism, all these different weird traits that human beings have...
01:22:30.000What they lend themselves to is technological innovation.
01:22:33.000Because if you're a materialist, you want the newest, latest, greatest thing.
01:22:43.000But if you want to impress people, you've got to have the 2021. Well, one of the things that's weird about people is how materialistic we are.
01:22:54.000There's so many Instagram pages that are just filled with people with nice houses and, look at my shit, look at all my watches, look at all my this, look at all my that.
01:23:01.000I mean, this is the thing that drives consumers.
01:23:19.000We do it through the need for respect, for envy, all these different things.
01:23:25.000But all of that really does do is drive technology.
01:23:29.000Because that's ultimately the end of the line.
01:23:31.000If you look at the big history, one of the quotes that Elon tweeted is from Andre Karpathy, the head of Tesla Autopilot.
01:23:40.000Shout out to Andre, one of the great machine learning engineers of our time.
01:23:44.000His quote was, if you bombard Earth with photons long enough, eventually it will emit a Tesla.
01:23:51.000So, like, you basically, if you look from the very origins, it's like, you just, the sun just needed to provide some energy to this thing, like, heat it up a little bit, and eventually they'll start creating Teslas, and then emit them into space.
01:24:12.000This is why, I mean, again, the Elon sort of exponential growth idea, I mean, it just seems to be getting faster and faster and faster, which is us humans aren't able to reason that way.
01:24:23.000Like, most of the technology we see around us is about 100 years worth, 150, electricity, radio, TV. Most of the medical innovations from antibiotics to surgery,
01:24:40.000to most of the innovations in biology and chemistry, modern physics, even obviously computers, internet, all of that.
01:24:54.000And so, our ability to think, like, what is possible in the next 10-20 years is flawed.
01:25:04.000I mean, that's one, like, we talked about Neuralink.
01:25:06.000That's why there's a lot of people kind of You know, unable to reason how quickly people in the scientific community are aware of how little or how limited our understanding of the human brain is on the neurobiological level,
01:25:27.000Just the basic functional, at the functional level, like how the brain functions.
01:25:34.000And so they think like, well, many of the possibilities that are especially exciting with the technology like brain-computer interfaces, like with Neuralink, must be 100, 200, 300 years away.
01:25:48.000But the way things are accelerating, it's very possible that it's 50 years away, 30 years away.
01:25:55.000Like the ability to digitize memories, you know, to be able to replay memories, to digitize like Ray Kurzweil dreams about, digitize the minds of humans.
01:26:09.000You know, like I mentioned, Sarah Seager, people should check out her new book, it's a memoir, but she searches for exoplanets.
01:26:17.000She was one of the key people in discovering new exoplanets.
01:26:22.000And Proxima Centauri is the closest that we think of Earth-like planet, or at least habitable planet out there.
01:26:32.000And that seems to be too far away, unless you're able to digitize humans.
01:26:36.000So, as she said, the easiest way to travel to that planet to see if there's extraterrestrial life out there Is to digitize a human and send them on a ship.
01:26:49.000Because you can then travel much, much faster than we could otherwise.
01:26:53.000And you can have multi-generational, obviously, travel because a digital form of a human mind, of consciousness, intelligence, all that kind of stuff, you know, it could travel for...
01:27:08.000And so that's an exciting possibility.
01:27:11.000And most people would say that, you know, we don't really understand much about the mind, and in order to understand enough about the mind to be able to digitally convert it, to digitally store it, and be able to ship it to Proxima Centauri would be centuries.
01:27:27.000One of the exciting things about Neuralink to me in the long term is that they're really pushing, instead of making it centuries, making it decades.
01:27:38.000Just like bringing together the best engineers and scientists in the world and saying this is ripe with innovation.
01:27:52.000There's a possibility here to do something truly special.
01:27:58.000Not only to help people with neurological disorders, which is a huge, obviously, goal, mission, a dream to alleviate suffering, right?
01:28:09.000That's as good of a mission for a group of scientists as any.
01:28:14.000But also that we can understand the mind, we can expand different capacities of the mind, like expand intelligence, expand consciousness, expand all the different kinds of capabilities of the mind, and be able to digitally restore that mind.
01:28:30.000So understand it to a degree to where we can copy it, to where we can store it, to where we can transmit it out to distant stars and to meet our alien friends in digital form.
01:28:42.000That's a mind-blowing mission for us chimps.
01:28:48.000Yeah, that's what I wonder when I think about alien life and that tic-tac UFO that David Fravor saw.
01:28:56.000The idea that that would be biological, that there would be some sort of biological life inside of it seems a little retro.
01:29:51.000One of the things that I've been thinking about when it comes to Neuralink and all sorts of medical innovations in terms of artificial limbs and different prosthetics that people are able to concoct today is How close are we to those being better than the biological alternatives, right?
01:30:48.000But it was just science fiction television.
01:30:51.000But if they do get to a point where they have legs that work better than your legs and they feel like your legs.
01:30:58.000Like, I have friends that have fake hips.
01:31:01.000I have friends that have resurfaced hips and resurfaced knees where they've, you know, terrible arthritis or cartilage damage and they've just replaced the part.
01:31:58.000What if these things that we're seeing are the ultimate symbiotic interaction of biology or the initial biology and technology?
01:32:10.000What if Neuralink is just one step into us essentially giving up our biological heritage and becoming a part of This idea of artificial life is a weird word, right?
01:32:36.000Like, if you can create, you know, like the Turing test, right?
01:32:39.000Like, you create something that seems so real and interacts with you and can trick you, and it can trick someone who thinks Like the movie Ex Machina.
01:33:00.000If that becomes what people are, if you can download your consciousness into something that looks like a human being and your consciousness rides around in this This technological creation.
01:33:19.000And maybe that's what we need to do to get past these territorial ape instincts that we have to look at a spaceship and go, I want to fly that.
01:33:55.000The ego, the consciousness, like it feels like something to be me as opposed to like maybe I'm just like a little fingertip of a much larger organism.
01:34:07.000And being able to see it like, you know, it's very possible that what intelligent life forms look like is something much less individualistic.
01:34:20.000At ant colonies, and if we think of the individual ants, it's a very different way to think about life on Earth than the collection of the ants together.
01:34:31.000Or if we look at the collection of the humans together as an intelligent organism, Combined with the technology that we're creating, all of that becomes almost a single organism that's becoming more and more intelligent.
01:34:44.000The idea that there is a hard line between biology and digital technology that we're developing, it really, from an outsider's perspective, that line doesn't exist.
01:34:55.000We're all an interesting complicated mush.
01:34:59.000That doesn't have a concept of individuals, doesn't have a concept of ego or individual consciousnesses.
01:35:07.000It's all one thing and we're just adding more to it.
01:35:12.000With Neuralink, people kind of think that there's going to be some kind of leap into a totally transformative You know, a thing that totally changes the very nature of our civilization,
01:35:27.000I think it'll just all be gradual, just like from iPhone 1 and 2 and 3. All this technology will slowly expand our capabilities.
01:36:37.000Is I forgot what it's like to not be that.
01:36:41.000I took it for granted basically a day later, but like a week later, it was like I wasn't...
01:36:47.000I already forgot the entire magic of the experience.
01:36:50.000And that's what I think will just keep happening is there's this gradual little step, this little leap into a future that everyone will go and say, wow, it's kind of cool.
01:37:01.000And then they'll forget it was cool and then they'll go back on Twitter to complain about some divisiveness that's happening in politics today.
01:37:09.000They'll just constantly, you know, will all of a sudden have a capability to have some extra level of telepathic communication, for example, in 40 years.
01:37:20.000And then people would just be like, just like we got used to swipe writing on the phone, at first people would be like, I don't know, I'm not sure I want the government to know what I'm thinking.
01:37:34.000Next they'll just try it out and be like, oh, it's kind of cool, much easier to type on Twitter.
01:37:38.000And then next they'll just be like, that's it, we're all just communicating telepathically.
01:37:43.000Well, there'll still be so many pros to it, to not ever being able to lie.
01:37:49.000I mean, if we're forced out, I mean, one of the biggest problems with people is being deceptive.
01:37:54.000Like, we have this ability to communicate.
01:39:47.000All this stuff is incredibly tempting.
01:39:49.000When you think of something like Neuralink, or once there's something like that, there'll be multiple different versions of it after a while.
01:39:57.000When those innovations start to roll out, what we'll give up It'll be just like all the other aspects of technology.
01:40:06.000We will give some things up, and there'll be a bunch of people that do reminisce for the retro days.
01:40:10.000Like, oh, the good old days when you wanted to send a letter, you had to write it down on paper, and a dude on a horse, like a fucking...
01:43:38.000I have similar feelings about how special it was, but it was hard for me in the moment to think about it because...
01:43:46.000Although I did appreciate it as much as I could in the moment, you can't dwell on it too much because you're in the middle of a creative process.
01:43:54.000Like, stand-up comedy is an ever-changing, constantly evolving process.
01:43:59.000When I have an act, I get it to a point where I can...
01:44:13.000It's just, it's constantly being fucked with.
01:44:16.000I'm constantly putting this first and that second and switching the order and...
01:44:21.000Doing this part of the bit in the beginning and then switching it to the end and then adding something and maybe being more sneaky with how I reveal the punchline or how I do this and that.
01:44:32.000And so there's this process that's constantly going on.
01:45:00.000When is the next time, say we reopen the economy, when is the next time there's going to be all those comedians showing up regularly to one place?
01:45:08.000A lot of us have moved, unfortunately.
01:45:11.000Joey Diaz moved to New Jersey for now.
01:46:56.000We bring out something weird in each other.
01:46:59.000Yeah, I mean, the positivity that he brings, he just has this weirdly positive view of the world, and yet, just like the crazy theories he has about the way the world is, he's a special human being.
01:48:06.000I think, you know, when you watch great chess champions play against each other, or like great, like Muhammad Ali versus Frazier, was the moment when I saw Joey go against Alex Jones.
01:48:19.000i thought because because you say crazy i thought like i thought like alex jones is the what is it the frazier like there's you know there's no way you can take that guy down in with the art of conversation but joey just took him apart well it was back when alex was on the radio too so joey's talking about storing weed under his balls and sneaking it in on a flight to texas and alex funny enough was censoring himself I know,
01:50:59.000Two of the people actually mentioned that they're leaving San Francisco because they're tech people and one of them moved to Austin and they said that the people are fleeing San Francisco too.
01:51:31.000I was referring to another aspect of it, which is it's not even San Francisco.
01:51:34.000It's the entirety of Silicon Valley, which is there's very much a groupthink that moved away from a meritocracy of where we want to innovate and And change the world with our ideas to a little bit more like, you know, I don't know how to put it,
01:51:50.000but kind of a groupthink that pushes against that.
01:52:01.000I mean, that's what Jordan Peterson talks about.
01:52:04.000It's the identity politics tends to try to silence the desire within people to judge based on meritocracy, based on skill, based on hard work, based on passion,
01:52:20.000It changes the topic of the conversation in a way that If you're a kid, guy or girl, who dreams of changing the world, you start a startup, the last thing you want to be doing is playing identity politics.
01:52:35.000What you want is to hire the best people for the job, men or women, and you want to change the world.
01:52:40.000You don't want to be playing discussions that are going on in gender studies, parts of academia.
01:52:49.000And so there's a kind of groupthink that I think holds you back within places like Silicon Valley, within certain parts of academia.
01:52:59.000I think these are important conversations to be had, but they need to be had in nuance without being a bully.
01:53:06.000So most of the people that play identity politics, Twitter, they talk about all really good things.
01:53:14.000They carry the flag of justice, of fairness, of equality, of respect and love.
01:53:21.000That's like the flag, but what they do is they bully.
01:53:24.000There's a toxic nature to it and they attack.
01:53:26.000I get attacked actually for not having an equal distribution of women on the podcast where I interview.
01:55:40.000It's one of the things we were talking about, about Neuralink, or something along those lines, that we could get to a place where you could actually read someone's thoughts.
01:55:49.000I mean, do you know how gross it would look if you could actually see virtue signaling in an actual clear manifestation?
01:57:58.000It can get you fired by the university.
01:58:00.000It has a lot of downsides because you're getting in the way of love, but it has an upside that you're getting in the way of douchebags.
01:58:06.000So, cancel culture, you know, you have Jordan Peterson getting millions of views, highlighting the ridiculousness of cancel culture, but at the same time, cancel culture also helps highlight the real douchebags out there.
01:59:13.000It's good that, listen, I'm not a woman working in an office with a boss that is treating me like shit and wants to fuck me and sexually harassing me.
01:59:22.000And I would imagine that would make your life hell.
01:59:25.000I can't imagine if I was a woman and I had to kiss some guy's ass in order to get a promotion and this guy would make disgusting remarks about me and try to fuck me.
02:00:00.000No one wants to be stuck in some place all day.
02:00:02.000But also you have this weird culture in these workplaces where you're around all these other people and these people you see sometimes more than you see your own family.
02:00:10.000You're around them eight hours a day and you don't even get to pick them, right?
02:00:14.000They're just the people that you automatically work with.
02:00:16.000And if you're a woman and you're in a situation where you have to work with some man who has power over you and is abusive, It would be hell.
02:00:26.000You know, the workplace is kind of interesting because I don't know what to do with it.
02:00:30.000Because a lot of people find love in the workplace.
02:01:41.000And to be stuck in the local optima of playing victim and victimhood...
02:01:51.000I think for the individual, it's not productive.
02:01:53.000But as a society, that's a conversation we need to have.
02:01:56.000Like, who are the victims in our world?
02:01:58.000And how can we create a world that has fewer victims?
02:02:03.000One of the things that Jordan Peterson points out that I think is really important to mention is that we haven't been doing this office thing that long.
02:03:39.000They're doing the dance that everybody is doing which is like they're doing like socially distant training like how's that possible so in Massachusetts is different but you could do private training which means they have these slots of one hour where people show up and train it's like I think three people are like two people they train and they keep what do you call it every hour they do different different sets of people mom do they test everybody A temperature
02:04:59.000But there should be a little bit more freedom to define how you interact with this world, especially at this time, especially where the curve is.
02:05:07.000But, you know, there's rules in Massachusetts that you're supposed to follow.
02:07:07.000So first, I follow two people on Instagram, you and David Goggins, which is you for the lulls for the laughs, and Goggins for just to feel like a weak bitch every once in a while.
02:07:20.000LAUGHTER At one point in the spring, I forget when it was, he posted something about a 48 hour challenge.
02:07:28.000So where you run 4 miles every 4 hours.
02:08:11.000So you have a three hour plus 20 minute rest in between each four mile run and you're sleeping for three hours at a time so you could get up and run?
02:08:20.000Yeah, so it's a mental test of your ability to do something really stupid for prolonged periods of time.
02:08:28.000Because it's not like running 48 miles in one take.
02:08:45.000I mean, I showered almost every time, which is another thing that's hard to do because you're like constantly showering and you're like, oh, here we go.
02:10:52.000I thought in my head, because I usually, you know, I talk about love all the time and, you know, I get like, I don't know, 100 likes, 500 likes, I don't know, whatever I get.
02:14:01.000I know how to do push-ups and pull-ups, but that was way too much for me.
02:14:05.000The whole time, David motherfucking Goggins is with me either on the phone or email every single day, and he's doubling everything I'm doing.
02:14:20.000Well, he's not doing the squats because he's just had knee surgery.
02:14:26.000So he's with surgery doing the push-ups.
02:18:14.000Dan Gable, famous wrestler, famous wrestling coach...
02:18:20.000Talked about that he always tried to train so hard that he wouldn't be able to get off the mat, that he would have to be carried off the mat.
02:18:28.000And he said he never succeeded at that, but he always really tried to push so hard that he literally couldn't get off the mat.
02:18:34.000And then the results of that, we're talking about the physical structure.
02:19:44.000And again, all those demons of like, why are you doing this?
02:19:48.000It's like, nobody will care if you just quit, all that kind of stuff.
02:19:51.000And dealing with all of that, that's why.
02:19:53.000Because it's about, depending on the day, but it's at least two hours of push-ups and pull-ups.
02:20:00.000Spread throughout the day and it's just it's a grind and then I have Goggins on me about it always doubling stuff so I after 10 days I returned and I at that point I did it without announcing it I did it for four or five days to make sure I could do it and that point I knew I'm gonna have to finish even with injury and So I knew after 10 days,
02:23:05.000I've experimented with eating seven times a day when I was more doing powerlifting stuff.
02:23:12.000For me, eating once a day or eating twice a day in a small window like intermittent fasting, very low carb.
02:23:21.000I do two things in my life, which is Goggins-type challenges, which is doing physical challenges, and then long periods of deep thinking, deep work, so intellectual work.
02:23:34.000For me, Keto, and once a day, focuses the mind like nothing else.
02:23:40.000It allows me to sit for eight hours at a time, so I usually do two four-hour periods of deep work.
02:23:46.000You shut off every distraction and completely focus yourself on a single task.
02:26:09.000So the difference between you and I is one important thing is I do hope to be one of the technologists that either creates a competitor to Twitter or helps Twitter become a better version of itself.
02:26:20.000So I want to create the systems that create a community in the comments that's positive.
02:26:27.000So for me, it's important to understand that the demon's in there.
02:26:31.000But you're gonna have to fundamentally change the way human beings interact with each other with no repercussions.
02:26:35.000When people have no repercussions, they interact anonymously.
02:26:39.000There's just a fundamental aspect of cruelty that emerges.
02:26:57.000And that drives away what I believe is the majority of the population who are therefore friendly, like the kind of conversations you have at parties in person.
02:27:16.000When you cultivate, like, one of the things that I've tried to do with this podcast is talk to people the way I talk to people in real life.
02:27:50.000It's mostly people recognizing what my intentions are.
02:27:55.000My intentions are to try to get out of the way as much as possible, put together the best podcast I can, do my best, try to be curious, try to feed my curiosity.
02:28:27.000Like, you do that with comedians, you do that with a lot of, even Eric Weinstein.
02:28:31.000One of the, you know, incredibly brilliant, Jordan Peterson, could be argued that he was really propelled forward by a conversation on your podcast.
02:28:41.000It's one of the most important parts of this podcast, I think, that I can introduce.
02:28:45.000And in doing so, it also enriches other people because you get to hear these interesting conversations and it stimulates their mind and it changes the way they think about certain things.
02:28:55.000So the vast majority of interactions that I had online even before I stopped reading comments were positive.
02:29:00.000The problem is you'd start dwelling on the ones that aren't, like you're doing in this podcast.
02:29:04.000You're literally telling me everything that's wrong with reading comments by telling me you're reading comments and then complaining about the things that people say about your form, or the things they say about you not having enough women on your podcast, or that people say you're a beta.
02:29:18.000You're going over and over and over again.
02:31:58.000Like most people at some level of celebrity stop checking their Twitter, like mentions Twitter comments and so on because of the toxicity.
02:32:07.000The top comments on Donald Trump or the top comments on Bill Gates or the top comments on Obama accounts, if you look at them, pedophilia is usually involved.
02:32:19.000And it's like, if I'm Barack Obama, why would I want to interact in the comments with a community that were like...
02:33:22.000It's just the kind of people that comment in the first place.
02:33:26.000Okay, let's just do a thought experiment.
02:33:29.000If you have a million people on your Twitter, and they're all fans of your podcast, you have a million podcast fans, how many of them are going to comment?
02:33:44.000How many people comment on people's pages?
02:33:48.000How many people that have enriched, important, enriching important, difficult lives where they're filled with challenges take the time to comment shitty things on internet?
02:34:09.000How many people out of those million that listen to the podcast, mine or yours, that have an intelligent, interesting thought that occurs when they listen?
02:34:18.000And they would share it with me if it was one-on-one.
02:34:42.000Neuralink is the future versions of it that actually allow you to read minds.
02:34:46.000I mean that's the technological solution.
02:34:48.000To realize that this person's flawed because they were abused by their uncle or they got bullied throughout childhood or they have a disease or they're impaired mentally.
02:35:33.000But I feel, it might be optimistic, but I think those people, if you put a mirror to them, meaning you make them realize that they're being toxic, that they could be incentivized, they could be encouraged to find the better angels of their nature.
02:35:51.000They could be, but a lot of times that toxicity is coming out of a lot of other flaws in their life and their personality.
02:35:58.000You're thinking in terms of your own self.
02:36:02.000You're a guy who did this fucking ridiculous 30-day challenge.
02:36:05.000You're a guy who's running four miles every four hours.
02:38:01.000And I would love to go to the comment section and be inspired by the positive, thoughtful energies or even disagreements that come from a place of respect and love.
02:38:31.000What you're talking about is the negative ones.
02:38:33.000All you've talked about is the negative ones.
02:38:35.000You haven't said anything about the positive ones.
02:38:37.000You haven't said anything about going to the comment section reading inspiring things.
02:38:41.000You haven't said anything about going to the comment section reading helpful thoughts and strategies and different things that people have said in the comments that have really inspired you.
02:38:50.000You haven't said anything about that, but you said at least three or four different things about negative comments that people said to the point where you're challenging people to fight.
02:38:58.000You're giving out the address of your jujitsu school.
02:40:27.000Without giving away any intellectual secrets.
02:40:29.000Well, I think systems that know more about you as a human in order to be able to incentivize better how to be a better human are needed.
02:40:44.000So currently the AI systems, the recommender systems that feed most of the social networks, YouTube, Netflix, and so on, they know very little about you.
02:40:52.000They have very primitive I think that's an AI problem.
02:41:12.000I think that's a recommender system, what's called problem.
02:41:15.000And that's where I've been working on.
02:41:25.000So the thing that I've talked about before, which is like building an AI girlfriend, It's not a correct way to phrase it.
02:41:35.000It's more about AI systems being able to know you well and be an assistant, to form a connection with you in order to help you become the best version of yourself.
02:41:51.000That's what I think AI systems can do.
02:41:54.000I think it's possible, and I also think that when we get to the next generation of technologies, and this is, we're already, I'm at three hours here, I want to talk to you about, you were there for the Neuralink experiment, the most recent demonstration,
02:43:52.000What was going on with the pig that had Neuralink?
02:43:54.000Was there any demonstration of what it was doing for the pig?
02:43:57.000They were doing playback of the 124, so there's 124 channels, like the electrodes that connect to the brain that are firing, they're measuring the signals from neurons, and that's time on the x-axis, so from left to right that's time,
02:44:13.000and then vertically that's the 124 points that are lighting up when a neuron is firing.
02:44:19.000And they were playing that back and they played it back in such a way where they convert the signal into like musical notes so you can hear the signal.
02:45:47.000You see just like a frame, just this weird structure.
02:45:51.000And I wonder if we're going to get to a point where we start replacing things and improving things and we realize, well, there's some problems with our system and one of the problems is mating.
02:46:02.000One of the problems is testosterone and estrogen and emotions and all these different things, the desire to control property and boundaries and all the different things, the territories, all the different things that make people tribal, all the different things that make people angry.
02:46:19.000And maybe that's what's going to get in the way of innovation.
02:46:23.000Maybe we're going to get to a point where...
02:46:25.000There's going to be some sort of mind-sharing technology.
02:46:29.000That's why they have big fucking heads, right?
02:46:31.000Maybe there's going to be some sort of interaction technology, some vastly improved thing that's going to make regular biological functions seem so obsolete that we're going to readily cast them aside.
02:46:46.000Or maybe we'll cast them aside slowly and gradually, like the evolution of the eyeball.
02:47:26.000It may not be as productive as we think.
02:47:29.000Well, it certainly creates competition, and competition creates improvement.
02:47:33.000I mean, that's the thing about if everyone just got along and everything was fine and perfect, would there be as much innovation?
02:47:41.000And if ultimately this human being, this creature, when you look at the overall goal of this thing, as I was saying before, it seems that the goal of this thing is to make better stuff.
02:47:53.000Well, the best way to make better stuff is to have some motivation to do that.
02:47:57.000And that's where materialism comes in.
02:48:34.000We have these families just forever running our world.
02:48:38.000One of the things that makes this world run is the passing away of previous generations, of previous systems of thought and...
02:48:48.000You know, you have to always consider like the things we see as negative that make up our psychology, make up different characteristics of human civilizations, are positive in some sense.
02:49:23.000In order to really appreciate the light, you've got to experience the darkness.
02:49:27.000You have to know that darkness is real.
02:49:30.000And one of the exciting things about Neuralink, understanding our mind, is not alleviating suffering, but enriching the way we experience the world.
02:49:40.000Enriching the way we experience suffering, expanding the way we can experience the highs and the lows.
02:49:49.000It's doing the thing that you jokingly said with mushrooms, but basically doing what mushrooms do, but in a controlled and much more powerful way.
02:49:59.000Well, maybe something can transcend this biological limitation that we're discussing of being a human and that through this innovation, we can reach some point where there's a different motivation.
02:50:11.000And this other motivation might be all peace and love.
02:50:16.000It might be that this motivation through this thing, if we can somehow or another suppress all the negative aspects of our biology and enhance all the positive aspects of camaraderie and love and friendship and do so in a way that's tangible for everybody.
02:50:31.000That's another problem with things like Neuralink.
02:50:33.000How much is this going to cost and how much is this going to separate the haves from the have-nots?
02:50:37.000You know, Elon was telling me when he was discussing on the podcast, he said, you're going to be so much more productive if you have it.
02:50:46.000Well, people who are more productive are more successful.
02:50:49.000And if you need a lot of money in order to get it done and then you get it done and you're more productive and then more successful, ultimately it's going to create a wider and wider gap between people who have everything and people who have nothing.
02:51:02.000If that individual productivity results in the increase of the gap, but it can also potentially, just like the individuals who have created some incredible technology in this world, you think about Ford, you think about Steve Jobs and Elon Musk,
02:51:23.000They're super weird, intelligent, and productive, but they ultimately created a better world with the inventions they made.
02:51:32.000It's possible that the productivity of those individuals actually lifts all boats, that it creates ultimately a better world.
02:51:42.000As that process goes on, more and more people will be able to afford these technologies.
02:51:47.000So the lead adopters, the people that get it in the beginning, might have a disproportionate advantage.
02:51:54.000But that disproportionate advantage doesn't necessarily create a negative outcome for the world.
02:52:03.000If David Fravor, what he saw, was actually a thing trying to communicate that, as Elon said, love is the answer.
02:52:11.000Say the aliens were trying to communicate love is the answer, and here's this badass pilot, Top Gun, Tom Cruise character, who just wasn't sure if he was going to shoot it or not kind of thing.
02:52:22.000I wanted to fly it, but it was just saying, like, love is the answer.
02:52:26.000Maybe when you expand the mind, maybe if it was on shrooms or with Neuralink, you'll be able to see that communication, and ultimately the thing you'll be able to see will be good for society.
02:52:38.000Just because you'll be more productive, you won't try to get a bigger yacht, bigger house, Better cars.
02:52:47.000But you'll see that we're all connected.
02:52:51.000Being connected consciousness and that extra productivity you get will result in you helping others more effectively.
02:53:02.000And I have faith in the smart people working on technology.
02:53:05.000People kind of tend to be negative about technology, but I'm one of them and I work with a lot of them.
02:53:14.000The people who are best at creating new ideas, they almost always have good intentions, but that's not enough.
02:53:25.000They very often are good at doing good for the world.
02:53:31.000So I have hope that the best people creating this technology, at Neuralink certainly, the people I've interacted with, are going to be aware of the negatives and are going to work their ass off to make a better world.
02:53:47.000One of the most impressive things to me about Neuralink, people say negative stuff about Elon and so on, One of the most impressive things about Neuralink and the people I've interacted with at Tesla and all these companies is like there's a passion in their eyes.
02:54:01.000These are some of the best people in the world at just being kids and loving what they do.
02:54:07.000It's hard to put into words, but when you see that, that's what I see with you with comedy.
02:54:35.000And that's what I wish more companies and groups were doing.
02:54:39.000I wish the US government would do that more.
02:54:42.000Of have leaders that attract those weird, passionate people.
02:54:48.000People that just have this fire in their eyes.
02:54:51.000I remember the early days of Tesla with the first Gigafactory opening.
02:54:59.000I happened to be there because I'd give a talk.
02:55:03.000It was like 3 at night and the people working there at that factory in the middle of the desert The excitement in their eyes was like these ladies that look like they haven't slept for days,
02:55:19.000but there was just this glimmer of just love for what they do.
02:55:24.000I was like, that gives me faith that if these people are building our future, they're going to do a pretty good job.
02:56:03.000My grandmother passed away just several days ago.
02:56:11.000Everybody's different, but for me, she was one of the key people in my life that raised me.
02:56:16.000She is responsible for much of the good that I am.
02:56:21.000So she lived through Galdamor in the early 30s.
02:56:27.000I'm not sure if you're familiar with it.
02:56:29.000Most people think about the Holocaust or the atrocity of the 20th century, but Galdamor in Ukraine was when, basically because of the decisions that Stalin made, millions of people starved.
02:56:42.000There are stories, that's for another time.
02:56:44.000If you want to really hear about it, ask Jordan Pearson about it.
02:59:18.000If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you.
02:59:23.000If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, but make allowance for their doubting too.
02:59:28.000If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, or being lied about, don't deal in lies, or being hated, don't give way to hating, and yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise.
02:59:40.000If you can dream and not make dreams your master, if you can think and not make thoughts your aim, if you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat those two impostors just the same.
02:59:53.000If you can bear to hear the truths you've spoken, twisted by knaves that make a trap for fools, or watch the things you gave your life to broken, and stoop and build them up with worn out tools.
03:00:06.000If you can make one heap of all your winnings, and risk it on one turn of pitch and toss, and lose, and start again at your beginnings, and never breathe a word about your loss.
03:00:19.000If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew to serve your turn long after they're gone, and so hold on when there's nothing in you except the will which says to them, hold on.
03:00:32.000If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, or walk with kings and lose the common touch, if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much.
03:00:45.000If you can fill the unforgiving minute with 60 seconds worth of distance run, yours is the earth and everything that's in it.
03:00:55.000And which is more, you'll be a man, my grandson.