In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe and Matt talk about the new Pussifer album, their love for Kraftwerk, and what it's like being in a band with a brand new album coming out on the 30th. Also, Matt and Joe talk about how they met and became friends, and how they got together to make a new music project. And, of course, they talk about a lot of other stuff too. Joe also talks about his new wife and their adorable dog, and Matt talks about how he and his band are using synthesizers in their new album, "Conditions of My Parole" which is out now! Also, the guys talk about what it was like growing up in the 80s and early 90s listening to music, and talk about some of their favorite bands they grew up listening to and listening to, and the bands they loved growing up. And, they also talk about their favorite albums of all-time, and some of the most influential albums of the 80's and 90s, and their favorite songs of the 90s. Enjoy, and tweet us what you thought of it! Timestamps: 4:00 - What are your favorite bands of all time? 6:30 - What was your favorite 80's/90s music? 7:00 8:20 - Who are you listening to right now? 9:15 - What's your favorite song of the past decade? 11:00- What do you think of your favorite band? 12: What kind of music do you're listening to? 13: What are you most excited about? 15:00 | What's next? 16: What is your favorite piece of music from the past? 17:40 - Which band do you like the most? 18:30 19:10 - How do you feel about your favorite rock song? 21:00 -- Who do you remember the most recent song from the 80 s? 22:30 -- what do you re listening to in your head? 23:40 -- what s your favorite pop song from a classic rock station? 26:00-- Is it a non cool thing? 27:30 What s your favourite song from an 80's or 90s pop song you listened to in the last 5 years? 28:00 // 27:10 -- what kind of song did you like about your first gig?
00:01:05.000So we were talking about how, well, we didn't talk about how the new Pussifer album comes out on the 30th.
00:01:10.000I listened to what is available, and it sounds awesome.
00:01:12.000There's a lot of layers to that shit, man.
00:01:14.000There's all kinds of sounds coming at you from all over the place.
00:01:18.000Yeah, Matt, normally what happens with our recording process is that I'll have an idea, or Matt will have an idea, and we'll just kind of set down a direction.
00:01:49.000It's a synthesizer, and you've heard it on, you know, Peter Gabriel used it, Art of Noise, like I think Yes might have used versions like a Synclavier or a Feralite.
00:01:59.000I'm going to get that wrong, and Matt's going to just, he's got his face in his palm right now.
00:02:05.000But, you know, so there's very specific sounds that come out of these and there's a learning curve to go with it.
00:02:11.000But the cool thing is that it kind of paints you into a sonic corner.
00:02:27.000So you start reacting in that way for those sounds.
00:02:31.000And then, you know, Karina coming in on top of me, adding her piece.
00:02:35.000And then just that kind of, you know, that kind of three-way chest that we have going on.
00:02:39.000As a non-musician, it's always interesting to see the way people react to synthesizers.
00:02:45.000The synthesizer's got to be one of the most polarizing sounds, but obviously it's responsible for some amazing songs, undeniably.
00:02:55.000But for whatever reason, people either love or hate that kind of sound.
00:03:00.000Well, yeah, whenever, you know, when you have people that are like, I don't know, man, I like live music, you know, totally live music, so you're big, you know, and then you kind of wait, come back around and go, what do you think of Kraftwerk?
00:04:25.000And I remember people losing their shit because they tried to play Van Halen on that station.
00:04:31.000They're like, that's not classic rock, bro.
00:04:33.000They really were very adamant about like, no, no, no, no, Van Halen is hairband.
00:04:39.000That's like some kind of glam rock thing.
00:04:41.000They were, you know, Bostonians just getting their panties in a bunch over Van Halen on BCN. Yeah, there was a real resistance to hair metal.
00:07:40.000So he went to a bar, and bars in Texas, they do not give a fuck out here.
00:07:45.000They go outside, and they're on a patio, and they just drink like there's no COVID. And they're bumper to bumper with people, all partying down.
00:07:53.000And a few days later, Jamie thought he had a sinus infection.
00:07:57.000He was just all stuffed up and felt like shit, only for a day.
00:08:02.000And then the next day, he started to feel better.
00:08:03.000The day after that, he's like, ah, it can't be COVID. He's like, I know I have allergies.
00:09:46.000What's funny is, like, apparently his take on it, and again, he's older than us, so his memory's probably terrible, because it happened quite a while ago that they filmed this.
00:09:55.000His take on it was that he was proud that they didn't get him the way they've got other people.
00:10:00.000And the article that I was reading last night, it's...
00:10:43.000I wouldn't recommend it this month, Sober October, but when Sober October's over, Ali G in the house.
00:10:48.000I actually bought a UK version of a VHS player because it was only available on VHS from the UK. Was it VHS or DVD? I think it was DVD. You're talking about the actual Ali G series?
00:14:01.000They'll put the mic in your front pocket as opposed to in your back, the back area, because when you sit down in a chair, that thing digs in your back.
00:14:09.000I've had it in my front pocket before.
00:15:14.000Not only that, but he's been under this tremendous stress of being a top lawyer for the most fucked up administration in the history of the United States.
00:15:22.000So it's like just the legal shit he's been battling back and forth.
00:18:30.000I thought maybe I sprained them because right after I recovered in New Zealand, I went and trained in New Zealand, thinking, I'm just going to fucking gut it out.
00:18:38.000I'm going to walk it off, rub some dirt on it.
00:18:41.000And I felt okay then, but when I finally got to Maui, I'm like, This is not right.
00:19:42.000So whatever cough I had, whatever cough I got in New Zealand, like every other day, I'll have a coughing fit for, you know, for 10 minutes.
00:26:07.000I don't remember the brand, but I buy this particular spaghetti that's just goddamn delicious, and it's from Italy, and it's that zero-zero flour.
00:26:20.000And that has a better effect on me than if I buy a standard American brand.
00:26:28.000Yeah, so if you're buying dried pasta in the States and making your food out of the dried pasta, you'll probably have a lot better results if you actually made your own fresh flour pasta.
00:30:22.000Yeah, so what happens is if I go a little too far, what's happening is my hip joint kind of just shifts forward a little bit and starts pinching something.
00:30:31.000And I'll just stand on my left foot, use that hammer, grrrr, on the hip.
00:30:48.000John Wayne Parr just got a hip resurfacing and there's videos of him 12 weeks after surgery kicking the pads.
00:30:59.000They were telling me, I can't remember specifically, but I want to say it was three months before I actually got back on the mats.
00:31:06.000They were like, you're not going to want to do that for six months, but you can probably start getting back and doing some things in three months.
00:33:19.000It was just all of a sudden fire off and I couldn't walk.
00:33:22.000Because I remember you saying you were doing drills and you couldn't move your hip right and you thought you had like a hip impingement or something.
00:34:26.000When Weidman checked it, he most likely cracked it on the first one, and then the second one he threw it again and just snapped it in half.
00:34:35.000So after he healed and then he went back out and he started having some leg problems like a year later, even though it was healed, like it just wasn't healed enough?
00:34:43.000It takes a long time to heal a fracture like that.
00:35:19.000So you've got to rebuild that while you're also...
00:35:22.000Trying to make sure that the bone is fully recovered and while you're pushing it, who knows what kind of damage you're going to do to the tendons and the ligaments.
00:37:42.000But in general, and not really because I want to get in a fight, just because I want to have that extra part of my brain exercised just to action-reaction.
00:38:34.000Because it was just Todd was kind of – he and I were the ones going around the world and training with insane instructors, really good coaches.
00:38:44.000So you get – Oh, so he's a practitioner, but he's not a coach.
00:38:48.000Well, Todd's a black belt under Rodrigo Fagi for Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
00:38:52.000But he and I caught the bug before I caught the bug.
00:38:59.000So, you know, with his connections traveling all the time as he did, he would have insane instructors.
00:39:06.000And then this instructor would introduce you to that instructor when you go into that town.
00:39:11.000So we had great, you know, it was really cool to meet these people.
00:39:14.000But the problem that I was having was, you know, when you're trying to have Carlos Condit teach you how to do something, he's like four feet taller than I am.
00:39:23.000And like, it doesn't, what he does isn't necessarily going to translate to me.
00:39:28.000So you could see him struggling to go...
00:39:31.000How do I explain this to you as a midget?
00:41:11.000Everything else is like, unless they're going to do a cartwheel kick or some Sanchai shit, they're learning that from other people who are just playing around and having fun.
00:41:19.000But the art itself, when it comes down to the kicking, but because they have that, they've got it down to this smoothness and the efficiency.
00:41:30.000Yeah, the part that's really eluded me is that because I don't have enough hours in doing it, I don't really have the, like, you know, French have the liaison of this word kind of slides into that word.
00:41:41.000That transition of understanding you can't throw that kick because you didn't do the thing before that set you up in the position to be in a position to throw that kick.
00:42:49.000Todd was always sending me videos of, dude, you gotta watch this guy fight.
00:42:53.000So he most likely has sent me videos of that.
00:42:56.000Petrosian at one point in time, when he was 23, I think he was 43-0.
00:43:01.000And like some 35 knockouts or something like that.
00:43:04.000By the time he was 23, he'd beaten a shitload of world Muay Thai champions.
00:43:09.000If you have the UFC Fight Pass, UFC Fight Pass is great because it has not just UFC fights, but it has a shitload of other promotions, including It's Showtime.
00:43:20.000It's Showtime goes way back to like the early 2000s, like 20 years ago.
00:43:26.000And its showtime was the precursor to Glory.
00:45:40.000Ortega, this last fight that Ortega did...
00:45:43.000I felt like the thing that really was surprising to me was not necessarily that he's like, oh, now you've trained striking and you're doing really well at the striking.
00:45:52.000It was like those in-between things that he was doing that I was like, I haven't seen that in most UFC fighters.
00:45:57.000Just that in-between thing that he put the glue together.
00:47:42.000But the shows that you do, have you ever been in a situation where you're in the middle of a song and you're so in the groove that you kind of forget what song it is?
00:48:59.000They make these kind of bell structures and they make, you know, so there's a kind of a school to, you can go attend to understand how to do foundry work, but also concrete, just understanding these concrete structures.
00:49:13.000And so it's all these locations and there's kind of a school there.
00:49:17.000There's people that come through and travel.
00:50:44.000And no audience, and then you're singing.
00:50:46.000And no audience is singing, but it's also hot, it's also cold, it's also like, there's Black Widows, and you know, so you're, you know, it's kind of not an easy thing to do, especially when you're trying to catch the sunrise, and you want the song to land right on as the sun's coming up over the horizon,
00:51:02.000like all those kind of things that, and it's like, you know, fucking 6am, and you're like, fuck.
00:53:22.000Jamie was sick for a day, and he was convinced it was ragweed.
00:53:27.000But my friend Michael Yeo, he came really close.
00:53:29.000He was in the hospital for quite a long time.
00:53:31.000And my friend, Dr. Neil Reardon, he was in the hospital.
00:53:35.000He came very close to death a couple times.
00:53:38.000And he, you know, I think folks that got it early on before they knew how to treat it correctly and what was going on and what to do.
00:53:46.000They got their asses handed to him, yeah, for sure.
00:53:49.000Yeah, our friend Dean, his family, and I'm going to get this wrong, so I'm sure Dean's going to light me up, but I think his wife tested positive, the kids tested positive, he tested positive, I think the parents tested positive.
00:54:05.000He showed symptoms on a Tuesday, finally got into the hospital, almost died on a Sunday, then recovered quickly after because he's in shape.
00:55:26.000But I think that's kind of what, you know, you had those good, you had those good aunts, those good uncles, good friends when you were a kid that you kind of learn.
00:55:36.000There's a lot of influence you get from your parents.
00:55:38.000I've, you know, my dad is, you know, my whole world as far as influence, a good influence on decision making, right?
00:55:44.000But you also have those people around you that you should have around you, if they're positive, that it should be fairly easy to see right through bullshit and get to the core of a good decision.
00:56:30.000I had Alan Levenovitz on the podcast and he had a really, he's actually working on a book about this now, but it was a series of tweets that he put up about what we're dealing with with social media.
00:56:44.000It was the same thing that we're dealing with with processed food.
00:56:47.000Processed food with all these preservatives.
00:57:28.000And you say something, and I consider it, and we talk, and you...
00:57:31.000You get in real time to exchange information back and forth and see how the other person responds to it and then respond to their response.
00:57:39.000That's how people are supposed to talk, man.
00:57:41.000And this Twitter thing that people are doing, the most mentally ill people I know spend the most time on Twitter.
00:57:47.000And they're on it, ranting and raving and blaming all these other people for their unhappiness.
00:59:03.000As soon as you go here and when you're anonymous, it turns into this fucking ugly fight of polarized mess of like you have to pick a side and it's like...
00:59:12.000Yeah, you're on the wrong side of history.
00:59:13.000From what I'm standing, the only thing we're really kind of massaging and trying to work around and picking a side on is weather, is mother nature.
00:59:59.000If I don't agree with you, I can just disagree with you, but then I get to choke you.
01:00:01.000But it's just, it's not as important as the jujitsu, you know?
01:00:05.000It's like, somewhere along the line, it became, like, you have to be on my side, or fuck you.
01:00:13.000And that, these ideological echo bubbles that people, these chambers that people get into, it's just...
01:00:21.000It's never before happened where you've had people that can so readily find people that agree with them wholeheartedly and have full confirmation bias.
01:00:32.000Only people that are on this side and that believe these things and this core group.
01:01:36.000You're staying away from people, so you have less interaction, less actual real contact with people, more digital contact, more processed bullshit way of communicating with people.
01:01:48.000And then there's the lack of money because everybody's out of work.
01:01:52.000And then there's all this panic that comes with that and this anger and anxiety and The existential angst of the disease itself and the combination of all these factors together with a fucking douchebag for a president, chaos, and no good choices for opponents.
01:02:26.000I think you start to default back to the position of, okay, well, I'm just going to step back and just see, in my lifetime, what haven't we seen?
01:02:37.000Okay, well, in my lifetime, we haven't seen a female black president.
01:02:43.000So if you're voting for Biden, in a way, you have to be a little honest about it.
01:02:47.000You're actually voting for Kamala Harris because it's very possible she's going to be the next president.
01:08:48.000Because where I live, all day long, you've got the dude with the Trump flag driving around in the car, and it's like, can we just have a coffee?
01:09:30.000It's a confusing time, too, because a lot of these states that were red are getting infiltrated by people like me that are abandoning the blue states.
01:09:42.000They're abandoning California, but taking with them their shitty voting habits.
01:11:19.000That this guy made fake wine that was supposed to be these really expensive bottles and duped all these like real wine.
01:11:28.000Well, so when I first heard about the film, I was under the impression, like, I sat next to that guy.
01:11:35.000I was at an Australian consulate wine dinner in Beverly Hills with Peter Gago from Penfold sitting next to me, and that guy was sitting next to me.
01:12:00.000So initially I was like, fuck that guy for duping all these people.
01:12:03.000But the thing that they're basically saying was that, yeah, that aside, yeah, he fucked a lot of people up.
01:12:11.000But his ability – To do what he was doing to put these wines in bottle and mimic what the palate, just the nature, the color, everything about it and being able to duplicate what's in the bottle to the point where it would fool a psalm.
01:12:32.000He wasn't just putting wine in a bottle and selling you the bottle.
01:12:35.000If you opened it and you tasted it, you really thought it was that wine, you would go, that seems like not a great version of that wine, but that's that wine.
01:12:45.000Oh, so you could tell that it was slightly off.
01:15:12.000Where they would, they have these rituals where they would all, Eleusis, and they would all get together, and they would have these rituals where they would drink this spiked wine.
01:15:24.000And the wine was, they've proven now, the wine was spiked with LSD-like components, was spiked with ergot, And they believe with probably a bunch of other different psychedelics, maybe psilocybin, maybe a bunch, but it was wines that had these psychedelic compounds,
01:15:44.000and they would have these incredible rituals, and people would go there, and this is literally like the foundation of Western civilization.
01:15:53.000came from these rituals and then these rituals were forbidden by the Roman emperors and then they started doing these rituals outside of Greece and they started doing them in Spain and they found images of them doing it in Italy and They found residue of these substances in pottery,
01:16:14.000and they've proven that it traveled all over the place.
01:16:16.000But what was fascinating to me is that their wine was never just wine.
01:16:20.000They would put all sorts of different things in the wine, and wine back then was not just simply grapes that were fermented.
01:16:29.000They would add cinnamon and honey and all these different things to the wine, which I thought was really fascinating.
01:17:36.000Have a great team like that because when I look at all the things you do, restaurants, wines, now you're making mead.
01:17:44.000I'm going to Michigan now to meet with a couple winemakers there because I'm going to probably put a facility there because my dad's house is there.
01:17:53.000That's where I'm going at my dad's house.
01:17:54.000Well, they're trying to kill Michigan, so it's a good place to go right now.
01:17:57.000Literally, the governor is making everything fall apart.
01:19:42.000Like, you know, physical, large-scale, sculptural, and big space puzzles.
01:19:49.000So you think of like almost like constructing a new business or a warehouse or a factory like this or a creation of like an art piece.
01:19:59.000Yeah, that and also watching what we just went through with this lockdown.
01:20:04.000You know, we have three greenhouses, so we were able to feed a bunch of people.
01:20:09.000In our hundred extended family with the businesses and everything, we were able to provide a little bit of food, not as much as they would need, but we certainly saved them at least one or two trips to the grocery store by providing them pasta,
01:20:25.000some of the fresh vegetables, a roll of toilet paper.
01:20:28.000You know, some soap, like that kind of shit that they just couldn't get at the store.
01:20:32.000We had to go through commercial channels to get some of these materials.
01:20:38.000That's a severely underrated pleasure, too, to be able to provide for people.
01:20:42.000Yeah, I mean, so we were able to do that for over 100 families, you know, in our little circle.
01:20:51.000So I think in a little town, like, there's all these little towns all over the United States that dried up because they put the bypass in and put the Walmart and the Home Depot out away from the little town.
01:21:04.000Beautiful structures, solid buildings that just dried up.
01:21:09.000So now you're seeing a resurgence of these little towns turning around from what they were to being these little thriving things.
01:21:16.000And the kind of cornerstone of that stuff is You know, food, lodging, restaurant, brewery or winery, distillery, you know, there's that little concentration of things.
01:21:27.000Old Town Cottonwood, Arizona, that's a hot spot for wineries.
01:21:32.000Even though the vineyards and the winemakers are down in Wilcox or Senoida or Elgin, One of their tasting rooms is in this little old town that was just beat to shit like 15 years ago.
01:21:43.000You could pick up the property for, you know, they'd pay you to take it.
01:21:47.000But now it's like a little thriving metropolis because you have this concentration of restaurants and wineries in this one little spot.
01:21:55.000I think people are also starting to be aware of the value in having everything you need in close proximity, where you're not shipping things in.
01:22:06.000It used to be like the idea of bi-American was sort of this xenophobic, semi-racist notion that fuck the rest of the world, we're number one.
01:22:19.000But now people are going, oh, but you know what?
01:22:21.000Wouldn't it be great if we can get our medicine here?
01:22:23.000We don't have to rely on boats that come over from China.
01:22:26.000Wouldn't it be great if all the components that we need to make an automobile were actually manufactured and constructed right here?
01:22:34.000Wouldn't it be great if a fucking single cell phone was made in America?
01:22:39.000I mean, they don't make a goddamn one of them here.
01:23:36.000I never thought about that before, but in the beginning of the lockdown, one of the things I was thinking, I was like, are we going to come to a point where we don't have enough food?
01:24:20.000I feel like there's another one coming and you're going to have a shit ton of people that don't make it because they're like, that first one was fake and this one is too.
01:24:35.000I'm just going to have a friend a long time ago who had been in Iraq, and he had taken some whatever he had to take for anthrax or whatever.
01:24:47.000And he used to joke, like, if we get hit with anthrax, it's going to affect you.
01:24:52.000It's not going to affect me, and I'm just going to tell you now.
01:25:05.000I wonder, you know, I wonder how many people are going to relax again after this is over.
01:25:11.000Because if something really big happens, like, and this is, and I'm not trying to diminish anybody that lost a loved one or to diminish the significance of this disease, the 200-plus thousand people that died in this country, but compared to a supervolcano, compared to a solar flare or an asteroid impact...
01:26:48.000Because it's not the most populated place.
01:26:50.000We were completely shut down for like six weeks, seven weeks.
01:26:53.000And then they said, okay, if you're serving food, you have alcohol and you're serving food, you can sell the bottles to go, you can serve food to go.
01:29:28.000I'm talking about in Los Angeles or in a big city, you get that sort of diffusion of responsibility thing where there's so many people and there's a lot of people that would just rather take that check.
01:29:38.000But you're getting that out of employees.
01:31:10.000Not because of you, not because of my clothing being stinking like cigarettes.
01:31:14.000No, it's because that person is being exposed to that every day, and the more they're exposed to it, the more they're being put at risk.
01:31:22.000That responsibility for your fellow human is that.
01:31:26.000But on the bright side, we have been provided with videos of these fucking non-mask protesting douchebags that just scream at Walmart and scream at people about the taking away my rights.
01:31:38.000Comedy is like, it's just like the cornucopia of comedy is just like billowing out like all year long.