On this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, the comedian and podcaster joins me in New York to talk about the 2020 Democratic primary and why we should all be mad at Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. We also talk about QAnon and the Epstein scandal and why the royal family should have been able to access access to Prince Andrew's private information. And we talk about why we shouldn't be surprised if we find out that Prince Andrew is a serial child molester. Check it out on Podchaser and subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your stuff! Thanks for listening and Good Luck Out There! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. The theme of this episode is Come Alone by Suneaters, courtesy of Lotuspool Records. All rights reserved. Used by permission. If you like what you hear, please leave us a rating and review in the comments section below. Thank you for supporting this podcast and/or sharing it with your friends and family! Please don't forget to tell a friend about it! I'll be looking out for you in next week's mailbag! - Tom's next episode is out soon! Timestamps: 4: 5:00 - What's your favorite conspiracy theory? 6:30 - What do you think of Jeffrey Epstein? 7:00 8:40 - Who are you think Jeffrey Epstein is a pedophile? 9: What are you looking for? 11:15 - What is Jeffrey Epstein's connection to Princess Andrew Andrew? 12: What's a royal sex trafficking ring? 13:00 | What s a royal pedophil? 14: What do we know about Prince Andrew s relationship to Jeffrey Epstein s relationship with Princess Andrew's relationship to Princess Eugenia? 15:30 16:30 | What is a royal family member? 17:00 -- What do I know about him? 18:30 -- What s he really do you don t know? 19:40 -- What does he have to do with me? 21:30 Is he a pedophil ? 22:00-- What s this guy do you know about this guy? 27:40 Is this guy really a prince or is he a criminal? 26:00 // 17:10
00:02:14.000I know very little about it, even though I've read a lot about it.
00:02:17.000I'm still, I'm like, what is all this?
00:02:19.000You know there's some fuckery going on, and you know there's a lot of special interests, and there's a lot of money, and there's a lot of shenanigans, but it's like, to really know how this stuff works, to really understand lobbyists, to really understand how bills get passed,
00:02:36.000to really understand Congress, to really understand the Senate, like, you got a deep dive for years.
00:02:42.000Yeah, and then you still don't know a lot of it.
00:02:45.000I mean, you know, you can go based off, say, like, what's been declassified that the CIA has been doing, but what do we not know?
00:02:52.000I mean, and there's a whole lot that we don't know.
00:02:55.000But I think we know enough to know that it stinks, that there's a lot of corruption.
00:03:01.000And in many ways, I think that's what Trump, at least the people who support Trump, saw him as.
00:03:06.000Is the guy who was outside that system who was kind of fighting for them.
00:03:10.000Not saying that's the truth, but I think that's what a lot of Trump supporters saw in him.
00:03:15.000Yeah, that was the simplistic comic book version of what Trump was to them.
00:03:19.000And that's where that QAnon stuff all comes in and people thinking that it's really like this plot to stop child molesters.
00:03:32.000Corrupt enough to give cover to the wildest conspiracy theory because they are already like you could say okay well Perhaps you know QAnon conspiracy theorists believe some really crazy shit, but then you just go but look at what happened with this Jeffrey Epstein guy I mean There really was this child sex trafficking ring that was covered up.
00:03:54.000I mean, we have that woman on ABC News who was basically saying, I broke the story.
00:04:01.000We broke the story, but they wanted to protect access to the royal family.
00:04:06.000So we would let a powerful multimillionaire or billionaire child sex trafficking ring leader skate because we wanted access to the royal family.
00:06:56.000I mean, it's like, so if you had an honest press, you know, if they weren't Every bit as corrupt as those conspiracy theorists think they are.
00:07:07.000You would think that the fact that, say, like a former president was on his flight logs would have led to a huge scandal where they would really want to get to the bottom of that.
00:07:17.000You would think right now they'd still want to get to the bottom of that.
00:07:20.000Like, hey, who else was involved in this?
00:07:24.000We don't know that that means that Bill Clinton was involved in the worst aspects of it.
00:07:28.000But you would think the press would at least want to find that out, and there's very little interest.
00:07:33.000No, because if the press goes after Bill Clinton, then Hillary Clinton gets somehow connected to it, and then that could sink Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, and that's bad for the people that hate Donald Trump.
00:11:51.000No one has any additional influence at all.
00:11:53.000Well, no, but I'm just saying that if you can win elections by playing to other people and also that, you know, some of those people kind of like the progressive rhetoric.
00:12:05.000The highest earning 1% of New York City residents generated 43% of the city income taxes and 51% of the New York state income taxes collected from individuals living in the city as of 2016. That's crazy.
00:13:10.000Well, and it's, I think that also happened, I think even more so in New York, because when the, you know, like New York, it's the same thing.
00:13:18.000You pay a ton for your rent or to own or whatever.
00:13:22.000But, you know, it's like the best museums, the best nightlife, the best food, the best all these things.
00:13:26.000But then all of a sudden, when the lockdowns hit, now people are like locked down in a one-bedroom apartment that they could get a house for, you know, anywhere else in the country.
00:13:36.000And a lot of people started to re-question, why am I here?
00:14:22.000And we may never know exactly what the total human cost of all of that was, but we'll get more of a sense of it over the next few years.
00:14:31.000Yeah, it's sort of a disingenuous argument because they're comparing the total cost of the lockdown to the lost lives Because of the pandemic.
00:14:41.000The problem is if there wasn't a lockdown, the loss of lives would be far greater.
00:14:47.000And so you're comparing it to a different thing.
00:14:49.000Well, you know, because it shouldn't lock down.
00:14:58.000No, it's very – a lot of people like to make this a simplistic calculation and it's an enormously complicated one because there's many different variables on both sides.
00:15:08.000So how many lives were saved by locking down?
00:15:19.000But then you'd also have to look just first, apples to apples, how many lives were cost from the lockdown.
00:15:24.000And I've read stuff, I was reading the other day, it was in England, but I'm sure the same is true here, that cancer screenings have like plummeted over the last year.
00:15:33.000So now there's going to be all types of preventable cancers that are going to, we won't know this for years if we can ever really trace it back.
00:15:40.000But a whole bunch of people will die from that.
00:15:47.000And then, of course, what is the human cost of destroying people's livelihoods?
00:15:52.000And it's very, very hard to weigh these things out.
00:15:57.000And as you pointed out, you'd have to weigh it versus The cost of lives without the lockdown, not necessarily with, but it's like with a lot of these other issues.
00:16:06.000People like to make it a very simplistic, well, if you want to prevent the virus, you have to be for the solution.
00:16:14.000If you want to prevent climate change, you've got to be for the Green New Deal.
00:16:17.000But the truth is that the real answer is, well, what is this going to cost versus what is this going to cost and which one is worse, which sucks because you have to think.
00:16:26.000It's really important to have lively debate on these things.
00:16:29.000And one of the things that's going on now is people are trying to shut down debate.
00:16:34.000They want you to agree with their side.
00:16:36.000And this is something that social media has really reinforced, right?
00:16:43.000And if you're not on their side, they just hit you with a bunch of bullshit about why you shouldn't and why you're on the wrong side of history and why you're a bad person.
00:16:51.000We were talking before the podcast about lists that people are making.
00:17:36.000I've been calling everybody else on the other side, you know, white supremacists, Nazis for the last four years, to now that you're claiming you won, say, hey, we all have to come together.
00:17:45.000Meanwhile, other members of your party are saying, we've got to create lists of people.
00:18:04.000I think with young people, she represents this idea that someone like her, young, hardworking, out there hustling, seriously progressive values, that you can get pretty far, and certainly in the public eye.
00:18:21.000Well, you certainly can do what she's doing.
00:18:54.000Yeah, well, she has a little bit of that, too.
00:18:56.000Yeah, well, everybody does when they're 30. You know Bridget Phetasy.
00:19:00.000Bridget Phetasy read some of her writing that she wrote when she was 24. She's like, oh my god, I was basically AOC. She's like, I was such a lefty.
00:19:09.000She goes, and now I'm just so much more of a realist.
00:19:14.000My worry about this Biden thing is that people voted for Biden because they hate Trump.
00:19:22.000They didn't vote for Biden because he's a leader that they respect and they want and they admire and that he's going to lead us out of it.
00:19:28.000If Obama was calling for unity, if he was the guy that was the president and he was calling for unity, we've got to abandon all these ideas about division.
00:19:51.000I mean, that happened in 2008. That's what Obama said when he won.
00:19:54.000And there was a decent amount of unity.
00:19:57.000I think he had an over 70% approval rating when he first came in.
00:20:00.000I mean it wasn't certainly anything like the country is now.
00:20:03.000But at the end of eight years of Obama, you had a Republican House, a Republican Senate, and Donald fucking Trump elected president.
00:20:10.000So we had that, but it didn't matter because even with such a charismatic guy like Obama calling for unity and saying a lot of the right things, at least at first, The policies and what was actually happening in the country were really fucking over huge numbers of people.
00:20:29.000And then also things that might have been somewhat out of Obama's control, but not completely out, is that the era of...
00:20:37.000It was like the Obama recovery, which was the most cronious, corrupt recovery ever, and the woke lecturing all rose up at the same time in the Obama years.
00:20:48.000Not all of it his fault, but some of it is.
00:20:50.000Do you see that Kamala Harris has her gender pronouns in her bio on Twitter now?
00:20:55.000I saw her say that in a CNN town hall when she was still running for president.
00:21:00.000She came out and just, no one even asked her.
00:21:02.000She just went, I'm Kamala Harris, my genders are she, her.
00:22:11.000When you see what's going on in like, what's going on in Portland this year where you had like the fucking, you know, like militias facing off against each other.
00:22:19.000You have like the Antifa versus the Proud Boys type shit.
00:24:30.000The woke lecturing is almost like just the insult on top.
00:24:34.000Like, if you're one of these people who lives in these towns...
00:24:38.000You've seen for decades now, like, factories disappear, jobs get outsourced, the life expectancy has gone down, suicides have gone up.
00:24:47.000You know, you're one of these, some guy in central Pennsylvania or all over the country, and what, you know, you probably lost your job, now you're working a shittier job.
00:24:56.000You never really came back from where you were after 2008. Maybe you got a son who's addicted to opioids.
00:25:02.000You got another son who like, you know, has never been the same since he got back from one of these stupid wars.
00:25:07.000And then after all that, the people who sent you there are now lecturing you about your white privilege.
00:25:14.000And then Donald Trump, all it really took was Donald Trump came in and said, you know what?
00:26:19.000And Donald Trump was a master at that.
00:26:20.000Boiling things down to a real simple slogan.
00:26:24.000A real simple phrase that people can wrap their heads around and get behind.
00:26:29.000But there's also that on the opposition to Trump's side.
00:26:32.000Where they try to boil things down to...
00:26:35.000Well, it was racism or it was white supremacy or something like that.
00:26:39.000And you're like, there's a lot more going on here.
00:26:41.000And I really think that if, like, these people on some level recognize that they've been screwed over by the establishment, forgotten by them, and that they are hated by the establishment,
00:27:09.000But I do think that he tapped into something that's really powerful and that actually could get a lot worse if there's not some kind of, like, reconciling with it.
00:27:44.000Maybe even sooner, because things go, you know, things move fast these days.
00:27:48.000But I do think that, one of the things that's interesting with Biden and Kamala Harris is that a lot of these, like, Super progressive people are celebrating right now because Trump was out, you know, and so Trump was defeated.
00:28:01.000And they feel like they helped get Biden and Kamala Harris in, which is they were certainly a portion of helping them.
00:28:06.000And then Trump also is the one who is saying like, well, you know, Joe Biden, he's just a Trojan horse for AOC and Ilhan Omar.
00:28:14.000He's a Trojan horse for socialism, which is actually complete bullshit.
00:28:18.000Joe Biden, if anything, is a Trojan horse for Dick Cheney.
00:28:20.000Joe Biden is a Trojan horse for the establishment, war hawks, Big banks, corporate elite, tech giants.
00:28:28.000Look at the people he's filling his cabinet.
00:29:05.000It's a really important question that people might want to, like...
00:29:08.000Even people who really hate Donald Trump.
00:29:11.000And you can really hate Donald Trump, that's fine.
00:29:13.000But you might wonder why it is that the establishment hates him so much.
00:29:18.000And my guess is that it's not for the same reasons that your left-wing friend hates Donald Trump.
00:29:24.000Like, I don't buy for a fucking second that the CIA and the Republican establishment Hated Donald Trump because he said mean things about Mexicans.
00:29:35.000I just don't buy that for a fucking second.
00:29:37.000These are people who will slaughter brown people in third world countries and lose no sleep over it.
00:29:41.000I don't buy that's why they hated him.
00:29:43.000I think what they hated about Donald Trump was that he was a wild man who would blurt out things.
00:29:50.000And he'd blurt out a lot of crazy shit, but then he'd also blurt out the truth.
00:31:17.000Well, by the way, when that happened, I remember just screaming about this on my podcast.
00:31:21.000I was just like, the response was right there, and it took him like four days, but eventually he did get it right, where he was just like, yeah, they died in a war that Hillary Clinton supported.
00:31:42.000The president, who is counting on support from the military members and their families, suggests that for a second time in a week that they might have spread the coronavirus at the White House.
00:31:50.000Oh, so this is different Gold Star families.
00:33:05.000And then there were all these people in the media speculating, and they were like, well, the New York Times wouldn't do this unless this was a really high-level person.
00:33:11.000It was basically like, wink, wink, this might be Pence, this might be, you know, Jared Kushner, this could be anybody saying this shit.
00:33:18.000And then it turns out, it's like, Oh, this was like some guy who was once a chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security.
00:33:24.000Now, I'm not saying that's nothing, but it's not at all what you were kind of making people think.
00:33:29.000So I think it's a very shady way to do journalism.
00:33:32.000And that's one of the things that I think is like...
00:33:35.000One of the bright spots of the Trump administration, one of the best things that he was able to draw out was how agenda-driven the corporate press is.
00:33:44.000And you can agree with their agenda on hating Donald Trump, maybe that's how you feel, but it's still something to...
00:33:50.000Everybody knows now that they are agenda-driven.
00:33:53.000They're not here like, we just give you the information.
00:34:23.000If you want to be an activist go be an activist.
00:34:24.000Yeah, but I think as a journalist though, I think It's very you're it's real slippery when you do things like that like like those quotes losers and suckers Unless you know who said it unless they're willing to go on record and say I heard him say it Then you don't necessarily have a story.
00:34:44.000What were the what was the and particularly if he denies it?
00:34:46.000So if I were to just say, oh, Joe told me this thing last month, and you go, I never said that, you can't just run with it and quote that you said it, because you have no way of knowing.
00:34:57.000The grab-em-by-the-pussy thing, you heard it, right?
00:35:03.000So anything else, it's just so strange.
00:35:07.000I understand their position, that they're coming from this place where they feel like they can do a lot of good.
00:35:14.000They can change opinions, and they feel like the country's going in a bad direction.
00:35:17.000And they felt like with Donald Trump, this country's sliding into this horrible fascist state, and they want to do everything they can to prevent it, and they have the green light from all the other people that are there.
00:35:28.000But all this stuff, these lessons that have been learned in the past about why it's so important to be totally honest and unbiased in terms of disseminating information, You have to kind of do that.
00:35:42.000And then other people are supposed to take that information that you've disseminated unbiased and have these perspectives and debate both sides.
00:36:34.000I mean, it's definitely been, like, exposed in the last 10 years.
00:36:37.000But I think that, truthfully, I think it's kind of a silver lining that at least people are starting to be aware of that.
00:36:43.000People are starting to go, like, okay, I know that these institutions are not to be trusted.
00:36:48.000Because, truthfully speaking, they got, you know...
00:36:51.000It's like I was saying to you before we started, where it's like for all the shit that people give Alex Jones, he got all of the biggest stories right over the last 20 years.
00:37:00.000And I'm not saying he didn't get anything wrong, but really, really big things like should we go to war in Iraq?
00:37:17.000It's not the worst thing in the world if people at least recognize that these institutions are completely compromised.
00:37:24.000And I agree with you that there is a role for objective journalism, but I would at least accept if they were like, hey listen, we think, like what you just said, we think we have this platform and we need to use this to get Donald Trump not elected.
00:37:54.000Well, the New York Times may not, but I'm speaking in the corporate press in general.
00:37:57.000They'll say, well, there's fake news out on the internet.
00:37:59.000And even the New York Times has done stories about how Social media companies need to do more to, you know, combat fake news on the internet and things like that.
00:38:07.000But they're talking about like super hardcore QAnon type shit, aren't they?
00:38:11.000I mean, it starts with that and then they'll use that as an example, but then usually they also go to other things like, look, this New York Post story about Hunter Biden's laptop was called fake news from the day it came out to the point that not only would all of the corporate press not report on it,
00:38:27.000But that social media companies were banning the link and Twitter froze the New York Post's Twitter account.
00:38:32.000One of the CNN journalists on Twitter called it Russian disinformation.
00:40:54.000They felt the heat from 2016, from the Hillary Clinton email debate, you know, whether or not she should have deleted those emails, and the fact that Comey then opens up the investigation again in the middle of the campaign, and that was basically what a lot, even though she won the popular vote, a lot of people felt like that was a bad move.
00:41:13.000And so this year they said, we're going to do everything we can to get rid of Donald Trump.
00:41:16.000Again, they become activists instead of just journalists.
00:42:29.000Well, what he claimed was that – and they're saying Joe Biden, that he couldn't prove Joe Biden was – it's a very confusing title – because he claimed that he had met with Joe Biden and Joe Biden was aware of all the dealings that Hunter was doing.
00:42:42.000Fox News has reviewed emails from, look at that name, Bobulinski, related to the venture, and they don't show that the elder Biden had business dealings.
00:42:57.000We could say that Jamie is my business associate, right?
00:43:01.000And if I'm involved in some shady shit...
00:43:04.000And Jamie doesn't know about it, and Jamie and I are emailing back and forth, and they get into Jamie's emails, and they say, ex-Joe Rogan's business associate doesn't show any association.
00:43:16.000Isn't that what they're making the claim, is that this is the evidence, is the emails.
00:43:19.000They're like, hey, we found some emails, and the emails say this, and now according to Fox News, they're like, that's not what they say.
00:43:45.000You know, like, when all those celebrities got their fucking iClouds leaked, all those pictures hit the internet instantly, and you could find them all over the place.
00:43:52.000These emails have, like, barely been seen by, I feel like, anybody.
00:43:56.000Well, these emails were – I believe he turned these over to the FBI. So I don't know where they would leak from.
00:44:05.000But I think the point of this article is that what he claimed – what this Bobulinski guy claimed was that Joe Biden himself was very involved in all the business deals that Hunter and him were doing and that his emails couldn't prove that.
00:44:17.000Because they, you know, the thing was they said they had these references to like the big guy and stuff like that, but that they couldn't prove that Joe Biden knew about this.
00:44:25.000But he's claiming, whether this is true or not, he's claiming that he's met Joe Biden several times and they've talked about it and Joe Biden was well aware of what Hunter Biden was doing and where he was making his money from.
00:44:36.000Again, I think it's a kind of run-of-the-mill political scandal, that aspect of it.
00:44:40.000The bigger thing is that this goes on all over the place.
00:45:16.000Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton, I believe, the ballpark numbers, they left the White House, their net worth was around $4 million, and then it was well over $100 million by 2016. So they made a lot of money after the White House.
00:45:30.000U.S. planned sale of F-35 fighter jets to UAE and $23 billion arms deal.
00:46:00.000Yeah, but do you know how insanely difficult it is to prove, first of all, to prove that there's voter fraud and then to prove there's enough voter fraud where they could overturn it?
00:46:21.000This is unlike anything I've ever seen before where you have one president just saying like, no, this was bullshit and I'm going to fight it legally.
00:47:21.000It's a question of how widespread it is, because there's always voter fraud, which is another secret that they don't fucking like to tell, but there's always fucking some degree of voter fraud.
00:47:29.000Do you find it odd that everybody insists that it's impossible to vote, like, safely and accurately online?
00:47:39.000I also find it really, really odd that we overhauled the way we do voting in this country, and that now it's almost an entirely different process, where both candidates are getting way more votes than they would normally get,
00:48:31.000Like they had the day of the elections, they were supposed to, where I'm from in Columbus, Franklin County, they were supposed to have like registration via iPads or something.
00:48:38.000And that morning, they were not confident that everything got downloaded, so they just scrapped the whole thing and went back to paper.
00:49:02.000The whole thing that it's like – so the system is that we have to basically – like 10,000 votes in Wisconsin is going to determine which half of the country is furious and which half is like elated because they get to rule over the other half now.
00:49:18.000And then hopefully in four years they can be happy and you're miserable because they get to rule over you now.
00:51:15.000And then, after that, you had the rise of, like...
00:51:19.000Lenin and Hitler and later Stalin and, you know, things that were much worse than the monarchies that they replaced.
00:51:26.000But just in pure philosophy, like the idea that if 51% of people vote for something or somebody, that then it's completely morally legitimate for them to rule over the other 49% is completely absurd.
00:51:46.000Well, I mean, look, I think the alternative to all of this is liberty, which is the best answer, which is just basically that whether it's a democratic process or not, that the government should be so much more reduced, the power should be so much more reduced than what it is now,
00:52:08.000I mean, look, this is the major source of the culture war to begin with, even before the social media stuff and before the woke lecturing.
00:52:16.000The major source is that the government is so powerful that you have to fight for your side to be in control of it.
00:52:23.000Otherwise, you're ruled over by the side who you hate.
00:52:26.000And it's – this is in less – the only way forward that would solve this problem, that would defuse the culture war, is accepting some type of libertarianism.
00:52:38.000And what I just mean by that is just some – whatever exactly it is, something that says, OK, listen, you have these cultural views in Portland and you have these cultural views in Alabama.
00:52:49.000You're not going to remake each other.
00:52:51.000You guys can live the way you want to live and you guys can live the way you want to live.
00:52:56.000The idea that you have to have this five, six trillion dollar a year beast that's controlled by one side or another that hate each other is just going to keep this thing going and getting hotter and hotter.
00:53:10.000Yeah, and then you have these ideological positions that these huge corporations attach themselves to to siphon money off of.
00:54:55.000Well, you know, I don't know exactly, but I know that whenever he would make a move...
00:55:01.000To try to end one of these wars, the press would go nuts circling him.
00:55:06.000I mean, they always were, but they'd dial it up to, like, 11. And then he'd have people within his administration undermining him at every turn.
00:58:02.000The problem is that with Donald Trump, I think that a lot of the Trump haters project this thing onto Donald Trump like he's literally Hitler.
00:58:11.000A lot of the Trump lovers project this thing onto him like he's our savior.
00:58:15.000But the reality is, it's just what you see.
00:58:42.000But anyone who was a decent gentleman or, like, didn't have those qualities would never have gotten to where he was.
00:58:50.000He got to where he was because he was willing to say, like, he got to where he was in large part because he had a quality that Bernie Sanders didn't have about him.
00:58:59.000Bernie Sanders is entirely too nice of a guy to lead a revolution.
00:59:03.000He would always say, we're leading a revolution.
00:59:05.000And then you'd have Joe Biden, who's the epitome of the system that you want to revolt against.
00:59:11.000And he'd go, look, Joe's a very decent guy.
01:00:38.000But I wonder if, like, in the middle of that, when you're insulting people, you're perpetuating, you're keeping going this sort of system that's been in place for so long, where you run...
01:01:32.000Well, okay, what I love about Bernie Sanders is that he voted against the war in Iraq, as I just said.
01:01:37.000He was great in the Senate about the war in Yemen and trying to bring that to an end, which is just this god-awful nightmare that's still going on, that Obama started and Trump continued.
01:01:48.000I mean, what's happening in Yemen is like one of the biggest tragedies in my lifetime.
01:04:10.000He could run on his principles, you know?
01:04:12.000But I think you have to at some point have a little bit of a killer instinct to become the alpha monkey, to become the leader of this country.
01:04:20.000And I thought that Bernie Sanders could have won the whole election.
01:04:24.000With the tone that he started in the primary, and he didn't.
01:04:28.000And I think that Bernie Sanders, like, look, the corporate press completely came down to try to ruin it for him.
01:05:02.000So all the competition with Biden drops out right before Super Tuesday.
01:05:05.000Bernie Sanders' competition, Elizabeth Warren stays in until the bitter end.
01:05:09.000I think it felt like with Bernie, even though there's talk that they couldn't control him, right?
01:05:13.000There's also talk that he couldn't win, because there are certain key states that he's never going to win.
01:05:18.000Because even though that message resonated with a lot of people, including me, what resonated with me is, first of all, absolving people of student debt.
01:05:26.000I know a lot of people that are wrapped up in student debt, and I think it's One of the best examples, first of all, you have essentially children, right?
01:05:38.000You have someone who's 17, 18 years old, they're going into school, and they're taking on enormous debt.
01:05:43.000And they don't, I think you could make the real argument that they don't have the intellectual capacity to understand the ramifications of this.
01:05:51.000But when you're talking about people that are in debt hundreds of thousands of dollars by the time they get out of school, and then they get out of school and they get a job that pays $40,000 a year.
01:06:29.000And I think if we have all this money to go to Afghanistan and put on these endless wars, the idea that we don't have enough money to provide a reasonably priced education.
01:06:42.000Maybe it should cost a little bit because I think people work harder when they have to work for something.
01:06:46.000But the idea that you should be hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt by the time you get out, and the reality of the economy is that Even before COVID, if you got out, the odds of you getting a job that's going to be able to even put a dent in that debt in your chosen field,
01:07:55.000Even though we're broken off into these countries, and they're broken off into these cities, and we're broken off by ideologies, and we're separated by all these different lines in the sands that we draw.
01:08:03.000At the end of the day, we're all contributing to this pool.
01:08:05.000We're putting our tax dollars in, and we're deciding what's important and what's not.
01:08:08.000For me, student loan forgiveness was a big thing.
01:08:12.000Because I was like, we've got to stop this cycle of fucking people over economically when they're 18 years old.
01:08:21.000Like, I agree with the spirit of everything you're saying.
01:08:23.000And I think when I said it's a corrupt system, it's just that the fact that you have all of these parties involved, where you have, like, the government who's guaranteeing all of these student loans.
01:08:32.000And then you have, for a while, I think now it's all done...
01:09:23.000And so I would just think even if we are going to forgive the loans that are out there now, what you need to do is stop the loans, cut them off, and let the prices of college come back to something that's more reasonable like they were in like our parents' generation where you could work a summer job and pay off your college.
01:09:38.000And then you've also got a very interesting situation in college where most professors are left-leaning.
01:09:44.000And most of the shit you're learning is useless.
01:09:49.000Well, I don't know if that's necessarily the case, but some of it's going to be useless.
01:09:53.000But let's not concentrate on that, because you're supposed to be expanding your horizons, and there's social growth, being outside of your family for the first time.
01:13:02.000That's one of the reasons why conservatism and even libertarianism.
01:13:07.000When you think about it, when you do this sort of like real narrow-minded view of what that means to people, for a lot of people it means cruelty.
01:13:19.000It means this like blind faith in capitalism and competition.
01:13:22.000And that's one of the things that freaks out young people.
01:13:25.000Because young people, as they enter into the world and they start learning things and they leave their parents, a lot of times, first of all, they feel suppressed by their parents.
01:13:37.000Probably work really hard in order to get them to go to school, you know, to be able to afford their school.
01:13:41.000We'll probably work really hard in order just to keep the family together just in terms of the amount of money you have to have to have a house and two cars and live in America and pay your taxes and send your kids to college.
01:13:58.000And so if you're a kid, and you're just living off your parents, and then you're hearing all this hardcore shit, like, you know, your parents want you to be successful, and you're like, Jesus Christ, leave me alone!
01:14:11.000And then you get to school, and you drop acid, and you learn about Marxism, and you learn about socialism, and you're like, we can all just get together.
01:14:18.000We can just pool all our money together, and we're going to be fine.
01:14:54.000And they're like, oh shit, I gotta go to work.
01:14:56.000And then people started busting their ass.
01:14:58.000There's a diffusion of responsibility that comes from this idea that you are an individual and that the government should provide for you.
01:15:07.000There's so many people in this country and there's so much money.
01:15:10.000Look at all the trillions they spend on military.
01:15:12.000Look at all the trillions they spend on infrastructure.
01:15:14.000Look at all the trillions they give to the fossil fuel industry.
01:15:17.000They start running all these numbers and they go, why can't the government take care of everybody?
01:15:23.000Well, and that is one of the, like, my position is basically that the government shouldn't do any of this shit, and we don't have the money for any of it, and we shouldn't rob it from people.
01:15:31.000But it is a strong argument from, like, an AOC type.
01:15:35.000Where they'll be like, oh, well, we don't have this money, and she can go, yeah, but every time you right-wingers want a war, you always find the money for it.
01:16:05.000And they shape young minds who are already open to these ideas of compassion and of being different than their fucking parents who are so hardcore.
01:16:15.000Your parents had to feed you, you fucks.
01:16:25.000No, so I completely get what you're saying.
01:16:28.000But the other thing about, you know, which I guess just concerns me a little bit about...
01:16:35.000Abolishing student debt or forgiving student debt is that – well, number one, the first thing I said is that it's like, well, OK, if we don't get the system fixed, then we're going to forgive this debt and then keep perpetuating more people in debt.
01:16:47.000So something still needs to be done there.
01:16:48.000But the problem is also that like – when you say forgive debt or you have the taxpayer pick any of this stuff up, It's just coming from other people.
01:16:58.000You're taxing working people to pay for this.
01:17:28.000But I think basically the solution is to just get the government out of the business of higher education.
01:17:33.000If there are institutions of higher education that are providing enough value for people, like you come here, you're going to be way better in life in that scene, then people are going to want to send their kids there.
01:17:47.000What about the UK? What about places that pay for education?
01:17:50.000Yeah, I mean, there are other countries that do that, and okay, fair enough.
01:17:55.000I mean, I don't know enough about the Canadian university system, but I'll tell you this, they have just as big a problem with what you were talking about before with the woke shit, maybe even more so.
01:19:25.000But do you ever wonder, even from their perspective, which is hard to get into, but if you're out there and you're like, okay, Black Lives Matter and the hardcore woke 20-year-old, and they're like, I'm against this system because this system is white supremacy,
01:19:48.000And, like, JPMorgan Chase is running, like, a Black Lives Matter ad.
01:19:53.000And Kamala Harris, the vice president-elect, agrees with you.
01:19:57.000And you go, how against the system are you really?
01:20:00.000If the entire system is supporting what you're doing and why, if the whole system is based on white supremacy and you're here to call that out, why would the system not be reacting to crush you?
01:20:13.000Why would they be, like, propping you up?
01:20:15.000Well, the system is so malleable, right?
01:20:17.000The system recognizes trends and goes, we can profit off this trend.
01:20:20.000We need to sell Black Lives Matter masks.
01:20:22.000But I think it's more than just profiting off of it.
01:20:24.000Like, my theory on it is that this is...
01:20:29.000The ultimate divide and conquer and protect yourself strategy.
01:20:33.000So you see how much that look, they don't want true economic leftism.
01:20:39.000That's what Bernie Sanders represented.
01:20:41.000And you saw how much the corporate press freaked out when it looked like he might have a shot at winning.
01:20:45.000They were calling the supporters Nazis and shit like that.
01:21:33.000Like, Bernie Sanders is, you know, if some, like, social justice warrior is like, you know, we have a problem with microaggressions and toxic masculinity, the JPMorgan Chase is like, no problem.
01:21:54.000So they don't like the economic populace stuff because they've got a nice little system worked out here where they're raping the country.
01:22:02.000The fucking big bank system that they have worked out right now is that the Federal Reserve prints money out of thin air, lends it to them at 0% interest, and they lend it out to the rest of us at interest.
01:22:16.000So they just get money for free and then lend it out and collect the interest.
01:22:34.000They consciously, like, recognize these trends and say, we've got to get on board with this, and this will help us, because we'll be one of the good guys.
01:22:43.000We'll be a company that's very difficult to criticize.
01:22:47.000I think there's a lot of forces at work, but I think that's a big part of it.
01:23:22.000And so they're kind of playing off of these people.
01:23:24.000But my thing is that, like, to the bleeding heart, young, woke, social justice warrior types is like, look, there's a need for you in society.
01:23:33.000There's a need for, like, a compassionate left who's willing to protest shit and shut shit down.
01:23:40.000But you're focused on all the wrong areas.
01:27:03.000I feel like I should give them some money.
01:27:05.000And that might be the only way these things ever survive, is that people get their news via subscription model.
01:27:11.000But to this day, someone will send me a link, and I'll click the link, and they'll say, to subscribe, I'm like, oh, fuck you, and then I won't read it.
01:27:21.000And then I'll Google it, I'll try to find it somewhere else.
01:27:23.000Yeah, that works about 50% of the time.
01:27:37.000I understand that there's journalists and they're doing amazing work and that they've worked for weeks on this expose and this has been the sole focus of their life and it's valuable.
01:30:09.000The reason why they keep bringing this up is there's a directive, that emails have been leaked, and it's been proven that these people are supposed to be doing what they're doing.
01:30:34.000What's weird is, as good as this, like...
01:30:37.000It's hard to say things are great because things are not great for everybody and they're certainly not as good as they could be, right?
01:30:43.000So that said, we have to recognize that this system of this experiment in self-government is the best system that's ever been put in place as far as...
01:31:32.000All of this activity has to go on in order to have this much thriving, in order to have this much economic prosperity, and this much freedom.
01:32:09.000You don't have a competition to get Get these prominent ideas that you think are the most crucial in order to maintain this society and maybe even improve it.
01:32:28.000Almost like you have to create this chaos.
01:32:32.000It's almost like you have to create it in order for people to battle this chaos.
01:32:36.000Well, yeah, I mean, I guess there is like a yin and yang to the fact that without corruption, there could never be like noble anti-corruption forces and without anything to fight against.
01:32:48.000I don't believe there are any bad babies and you definitely shouldn't shake them.
01:34:40.000Donald Trump did, in back-to-back days in the last week before the election, five events at five different states where he did close to an hour at each one.
01:35:51.000Right, and if you talk to drug specialists, I mean, I've had people on that explain that kicking Xanax is actually more difficult than kicking opiates.
01:37:18.000And also, I think it's probably real important for a guy of his intellectual capacity to explain what it was like to be addicted to these things and try to get off of them.
01:37:29.000I think a lot of us, especially it'd be easy for someone like me who's never been physically addicted to something where I had some serious withdrawals.
01:37:40.000It's probably easy to dismiss that as mental weakness.
01:37:44.000But when a guy who's as intelligent as him and has spent so much time talking about personal responsibility has a situation like this, it can shine some light in a very unique way.
01:37:55.000Have you ever been addicted to anything?
01:38:06.000Yeah, it's like I had to give blood, or I had to get blood tests once, like, a couple years ago, and it was like, you can't drink coffee before it, and it was, like, at noon.
01:38:14.000And it was like, by the time I was out, I was like, holy shit, like, I'm really feeling...
01:38:19.000But no, not addiction to, like, anything like...
01:39:37.000It was like when he first became president.
01:39:39.000And it was before Bill O'Reilly went down, so around when he first became president.
01:39:44.000And he asked him, I remember one which was the greatest thing ever was he asked him, he was like, so do you ever look around the White House and just think to yourself like, man, this is like really incredible.
01:39:53.000I'm the president of the United States.
01:39:54.000And Trump was like, yeah, it's a nice house.
01:39:57.000He just seems so unimpressed with the fact that...
01:40:00.000Well, it's probably kind of like shitholes compared to where he lived.
01:40:19.000And he goes, I always slept about three hours.
01:40:22.000Like, he was always kind of being this guy.
01:40:25.000He always loved—it was a big advantage.
01:40:27.000The celebrity factor for Donald Trump was a big advantage in politics.
01:40:31.000And a part of that was that, like, when he would get on those debate stages, you know, you got to think, like, in the primary debates with other Republicans, a lot of these guys like, you know, Marco Rubio or someone like that, he might have been groomed by the establishment.
01:40:45.000But he hasn't been under these type of lights before.
01:40:48.000He hasn't had 100 million people watching him before.
01:40:51.000But Donald Trump stepped right in there like, this is exactly where I belong.
01:41:11.000I've heard recently, I don't even know if it's speculation, but the drug he's taking is not Adderall or some meth thing, but he's taking Provigil, actually.
01:43:11.000Healthy people that are really vibrant people that are in good shape, they have more energy for stuff, and that would make them think better.
01:43:18.000Researchers have found that modafinil boosts higher order cognitive function without causing serious side effects.
01:43:25.000Modafinil, which has been prescribed in the U.S. since 1998 to treat sleep related conditions such as narcolepsy and sleep apnea, heightens alertness as much as caffeine does.
01:45:54.000There's always some sort of negative aspect, especially to abuse of something like that.
01:46:01.000But when you're 74 and you eat nothing but french fries and you're out there kicking ass, you gotta go, like, how much time has this guy got left anyway?
01:46:08.000Well, yeah, but some people are just freaks like that, you know?
01:46:11.000It's true, like some people don't, you know what I mean?
01:46:14.000They'll be like some people who are like, eat like shit and like still fucking, like some people just naturally have better cardio, even if they're not like running as much as somebody else, they just naturally have it better.
01:46:25.000Some people can treat their bodies like shit and still function.
01:47:47.000That I think that Joe Biden does something, you know, we'll have a national mask mandate or something, and then we'll do that for two months, and then he goes, we defeated the virus, and we did it because we finally got serious and listened to the science.
01:48:01.000But, I gotta say, I'm not super optimistic that that's the way it's gonna go.
01:48:07.000Well, explain what you were saying to me before the show.
01:48:09.000We were talking about governors realizing Oh, well, I mean, yeah, look, I mean, I think that what's what's happened over the last year in America is really like unprecedented.
01:48:19.000I mean, the idea that Americans have now accepted to some degree that we could be in a state where we're sitting at home watching our governors on television to find out what we're allowed to do today.
01:48:38.000Can I go to work like the most intimate, basic I think?
01:49:06.000The effect that the lockdowns and all this will have.
01:49:09.000I think it would be something like 9-11, where, you know, like, right after 9-11, you remember there was all that fear that there'd be another terrorist attack.
01:49:16.000Like, oh my god, we're terrified this could happen again.
01:50:33.000There's a lot of different ways that you could go down this line.
01:50:37.000And the other big one, I would say, is climate change.
01:50:40.000I mean, if you accept that COVID was this emergency so that we have to lock everyone in their houses and all this stuff...
01:50:48.000Well, okay, you have a whole bunch of people who are arguing that climate change is an existential crisis that's going to, you know, make all things, the planet uninhabitable, excuse me, for all living things.
01:51:01.000Well, then, by that logic, wouldn't that be worth locking people in their homes over?
01:51:05.000And so it's very dangerous once you've set this precedent that the government can do this.
01:51:10.000And they all look around at each other and realize, oh, we got away with this.
01:51:15.000Even if you believe the lockdowns were the right thing to do for COVID, which I don't, but even if you believe that, you'd still have to be concerned about this, like, authoritarianism that we've kind of, like, ushered in over this last year.
01:51:28.000It doesn't mean that that's not a danger anymore.
01:51:32.000Like, even if you think chemotherapy is necessary to kill the cancer, you still have to worry about all the other, you know, like, effects of chemotherapy.
01:52:18.000So yeah, so in some places it is still pretty locked down, and then in some places it's kind of quasi-locked down, not quite as much as it was back in March, April, May.
01:52:50.000Yeah, people have been moving out like crazy and it's hard.
01:52:52.000It was hard for a while to get like any numbers on it, but I know like stories I've heard people who work for moving companies saying like you can't book us to move.
01:53:29.000I just saw something about Los Angeles or some counties in California might be getting rolling back now because the numbers are going up again.
01:54:12.000And even if that hasn't been talked about in other areas, it was pretty clear that they were given orders to stand down in a lot of places.
01:54:19.000Well, when the numbers get so high, I mean, the cops had abandoned that Minneapolis police station, right?
01:54:24.000I mean, it got to the point where they were overcoming the police station.
01:54:28.000They let them light the police station on fire.
01:54:30.000Like, when I got up in the morning after the shit hit the fan in L.A., and I saw this video of these cop cars, like, on the highway, just lit on fire one after the other, covered in spray paint, windows smashed in.
01:55:01.000Recognizing that recent events, both here in Santa Monica and around the nation, have strained community police relations, Chief Renown has made the decision to step aside so the Santa Monica Police Department can continue to move forward.
01:55:14.000A statement announcing her retirement said, I'm pretty sure she told the cops to stand down.
01:55:20.000It starts off saying that, like, amid anger over her response to the protests.
01:59:14.000How could you possibly rob everything from people, but then you decide that because they're protesting a cause that we agree, like, we agree with the cause, therefore this is okay.
01:59:32.000And then there were things, you know, I heard a lot of these kind of, like, anecdotal stories, like, people would tell, but I mean, there were things where, like, you know, I heard this one story that always stuck with me about a guy whose wife was pregnant and she got sick and it looked like they might lose the baby and they wouldn't let him in the appointment with her.
01:59:54.000They didn't lose the baby, thank God, and everything was fine.
01:59:57.000She was going into a sonogram to maybe find out that they had lost the baby and they wouldn't let him be there to hold her hand through that.
02:00:47.000I was talking to a guy who's a very intelligent guy, and we were talking about one of these recent studies, both COVID and UV light, and how it shows that it dies very quickly in sunlight.
02:01:00.000And he goes, well, that's why there was no spread after the riots.
02:01:03.000I go, did they stop when it went dark?
02:01:49.000But the weirdest part about it then was that, so then they'd go like, okay, oh my god, some kids went to spring break, these evil killers, like how could these kids do this?
02:03:39.000It's going to get played in a million different ways.
02:03:41.000It ends up, like, creating all these dynamics that aren't helpful to getting to the root of the problem, which is we want these five major policy reforms, you know?
02:03:54.000Accountability for killer cops, end the war on drugs, end qualified immunity, end civil asset forfeiture.
02:03:59.000Pick some really important things that would actually save lives and go hard at those.
02:04:05.000But the problem is that then you have the way the movement goes, and then you have the rioting and stuff like that and the looting, and then this ends up turning a lot of people off who would maybe be sympathetic to you.
02:04:17.000But don't you think that over and over again you see white cop, black victim, white cop, black victim...
02:04:44.000So you have to acknowledge the racial aspect of it.
02:04:48.000I think just by saying it, justice against killer cops, or get rid of killer cops, you're not addressing the thing that is maybe most disturbing to many people, is that it keeps being a white cop and a black man.
02:05:03.000I think that there are certainly videos where that is the case.
02:05:08.000There's also a lot of videos where that's not the case.
02:05:10.000They don't get the same amount of play in the press.
02:05:13.000But the ones that become viral, these big stories.
02:05:17.000But the question might be why those ones become such big stories and the other ones don't.
02:05:22.000My point is that when you play up the racial aspect of it, What you end up doing is then you start having this conversation.
02:05:31.000Okay, so about twice as many white people are unarmed.
02:05:34.000White people are killed by cops every year than black people.
02:05:37.000But black people aren't half the population of white people.
02:05:41.000So black people are like 13% of the population.
02:05:43.000So for them to be, you know, whatever it is, like 40% or something like that of the killings, it is disproportionate.
02:05:49.000Then you have to take into account where the high crime neighborhoods are, how many interactions they're having with police.
02:05:54.000Like, I understand there are these videos that go viral.
02:05:57.000What happened to me, in my opinion, what happened to George Floyd was like horrific and people should go to jail over that shit.
02:06:04.000I think what happened to Breonna Taylor was horrific and people should go to jail over that shit.
02:06:08.000It's not clear to me at all that race was a factor in those cases.
02:06:14.000I just haven't really seen any evidence to suggest that it was, but maybe it is.
02:06:18.000I just think that you end up going down this road.
02:06:21.000So one of the activists in Minneapolis said, Said this thing, and this is where like wokeism comes in to poison this shit from my perspective.
02:06:29.000So he said they don't want to call it police brutality anymore.
02:06:41.000And what ends up happening when you look at things that way is what you don't get rid of is police brutality.
02:06:46.000What you end up getting rid of is Aunt Jemima.
02:06:50.000It becomes a distraction of other issues rather than focusing on the major issues that you care about.
02:06:57.000And I'm just saying, if you wanted to be effective, I think Black Lives Matter would be better off to share some of those videos of it happening to white people also and go, look, this isn't just black people's problem.
02:08:07.000But the racial aspect of it, if you're a person who's a black person or any person of color and you see over and over again a white cop killing a black person, whether it's representative...
02:08:20.000I mean, you're not going to think when you see those videos...
02:08:23.000Oh, well, there's a million interactions and most of them are positive.
02:08:27.000You're just going to know your experiences with cops and if cops have bullied you and fuck with you or maybe you've been a victim of police brutality yourself.
02:08:35.000And then you're going to think of how many times there's been a white cop doing it to a black person.
02:08:39.000And I think the number is not insignificant and it has to be addressed.
02:08:42.000Yeah, look, I certainly understand why that would be a lot of people's perspective.
02:08:49.000I'm just saying that from the way I look at it is like I think that really for the first time that I've ever seen, I thought leading up to the George Floyd situation that right-wingers were really getting red-pilled on cops.
02:09:05.000Like, they were actually getting really pissed off at the cops.
02:09:07.000Because the cops were the ones enforcing these lockdowns.
02:10:36.000One thing that I think people, the ones who really wanted Trump out, and I understand why a lot of them did, I think a lot of people just had Trump fatigue.
02:10:46.000They're like, I just can't deal with this bullshit anymore.
02:10:58.000And I think we may never go to a pre-COVID world again, and we may never go to a pre-Black Lives Matter world again.
02:11:04.000Like, we might get closer to that than we are now, but I don't know that we'll ever go back to that time completely, in the same way that we never went to a pre-9-11 world again.
02:11:13.000Or a pre-Kennedy assassination world again.
02:11:16.000There's certain events in our history that they change us forever, and this is most certainly one of those events.
02:11:22.000But you probably could have said the same thing about the Spanish flu, although I don't think the government or the media was as sophisticated back then, and there was a lot more...
02:11:31.000There's a lot more hardship in the world, period.
02:11:34.000And then what happened right after the Spanish Flu was the Roaring Twenties, right?
02:12:01.000It's almost like, I know they're real pictures, but if they weren't, like, someone's, like, photoshopped masks on these people and pretended that there was a pandemic back then, that's what it looked like.
02:13:09.000I feel like I also saw something that was like, this was not actual, they didn't wear a mask, but I couldn't, I don't know which was actually accurate.
02:13:15.000I think we've got to stop people from wearing masks in their Twitter profiles.
02:13:39.000I hate all of this shit where it's like...
02:13:42.000How about, like, and this is one of the things that I hate about, like, wokeism in general, too, is that it lets everybody kind of, like, pretend they're, like, let everyone else know they're a good person, but you don't actually have to do shit.
02:13:54.000Did you see Kamala Harris at one of the press conferences wearing a mask while she was talking?
02:14:19.000He did one with, Trump did one with NBC, and Biden did one with CNN. Anyway, you guys, so fucking, like, get on a plane and fucking debate each other.
02:14:56.000Let's just talk about the actual debates.
02:14:58.000No, but I'm just saying, like, maybe if he had had another debate where he could have handled it the way he did in that second one also, maybe if he had two performances like that, it would have helped him a little bit more.
02:15:17.000Because, you know, that was when there was talk about, like, Trump was tweeting that he wanted to come on here and have me and him and Biden talk for four hours.
02:15:25.000And I was like, what would I do if he was doing that?
02:16:06.000And that's one of my favorite things about this show is that you've almost proven—I think it's part of the reason why so many of those establishment types, like, resent you a lot for it—is that you've proven that their whole model is stupid.
02:16:20.000You have a show where people need time to unpack things and have a long conversation.
02:16:25.000If you're talking about really serious, complex issues, the idea that we're debating who gets to have the nuclear football, but we've got to do it in this limited time, and you'll have 30 seconds each.
02:16:35.000It's also important that they don't know what they're going to talk about.
02:16:40.000One of the important things about podcasts is no one ever sits down with like, okay, we're going to hit this, and then we're going to hit that.
02:17:17.000And no pressure whatsoever on figuring out how to answer a sentence or a subject rather coherently.
02:17:25.000You're going to get a better understanding of who that person is.
02:17:28.000Now with Trump, everybody thinks they already have a good understanding of who he is because he goes in these long, rambling, self-serving diatribes about subjects.
02:17:39.000But just to see that, if you get him to calm down a little and see Biden and him talking through things, just let him talk.
02:18:03.000And by the way, I think Trump, because Trump is kind of a master troll, I think he knew that Biden would never agree to it, and that's half the reason why he did it.
02:19:23.000Didn't he have some wacky painting with him sitting there and all the other presidents behind him with their hands on his shoulder or something?
02:19:32.000I think he had something in the Oval Office that was, like, really preposterous, where people saw it and were like, what in the fuck are you doing?
02:20:49.000Yeah, you just pull Lincoln and Eisenhower aside.
02:20:51.000Eisenhower's speech about the military-industrial complex when he's leaving office is to this day one of the most chilling things I've ever seen.
02:20:58.000It's right up there with Oppenheimer talking about quoting the Bhagavad Gita after he detonated the bomb.
02:21:17.000But Eisenhower's thing, I think, I could be wrong about this, but I believe that...
02:21:22.000Trump, in the clip we played earlier, is the second president to ever use the term military-industrial complex.
02:21:29.000I could be wrong about that, but I've never heard another president say the term military-industrial complex other than Eisenhower and his farewell address and Trump.
02:22:43.000So there's a lot of really kind of interesting history there, but let's just say we didn't listen to Eisenhower and we did not guard against power sought by the military-industrial complex.
02:22:57.000It's such an interesting choice, too, because I guess he had the ability to say whatever he wanted in the nation's address, being the president.
02:23:07.000It seems pretty clear that he didn't have to run that by anyone.
02:23:12.000And you wonder, what do they have to run by now?
02:23:15.000When you have the discussion where people say, oh, they always lie when they want to get into office, and then they get into office, they don't do shit.
02:23:22.000They don't do any of the things they said they were going to do.
02:23:48.000And it's, you know, I don't know, but it's also possible that it's kind of somewhere in between, where there's, maybe they're not, you know, showing you the Kennedy assassination film, like the great Bill Hicks joke, but, you know, look, I know that Donald Trump got in there and he ran on,
02:24:06.000we're ending all of these wars, and that's it.
02:24:09.000Now, from a Trumpian perspective, it wasn't like a Ron Paul, like, these wars kill all these innocent people.
02:24:15.000It was like a Trump, like, this is bad business.
02:24:18.000We're wasting money on these wars, so we're ending them.
02:24:38.000I found two articles that were talking about, like, he says the stuff about the military-industrial complex, however, his actions say it differently.
02:24:45.000Like, he gave them more money than anybody ever gave them.
02:25:10.000I think that at least from everything I've read that he really is trying to get out of Afghanistan and that he really is trying to work out a deal to end that war.
02:25:19.000Here it says, the idea that Trump is taking on the defense industrial base is pure fantasy.
02:25:23.000A national security action, a liberty advocacy group composed a former Obama administration staffer said on Tuesday.
02:25:36.000But look, I mean, there is, I will say, though, to Trump's credit, We're good to go.
02:26:03.000But, you know, like, when he first came in and he was running on, like, ending all of these wars, the guy, the military guy who he made his national security advisor was Flynn.
02:26:14.000Like, that was his guy who was going to come in and lead us out of these wars.
02:26:18.000Immediately the NSA and the FBI targeted Flynn, got dirt on him, got him removed, and then they get somebody else in there.
02:26:25.000So it might be also that they don't necessarily have to, like...
02:26:29.000Threaten your family or show you the angle of JFK, but they could just be like, well, we're just going to remove all the people from your cabinet who we don't like, kind of get our people in there and keep the machine rolling.
02:26:39.000That Flynn shit is spooky because you think that a guy gets to that level of the military, he's immune to that.
02:27:52.000Create your own little world as much as you can.
02:27:55.000And then I think that you, like, the best thing is to try to keep perspective that even with all the fucked up shit in the world, there's always been a ton of fucked up shit in the world.
02:28:06.000And people have always, people have persevered through far worse than what we're going through right now.
02:28:12.000I think that's kind of the best, you know, take to have.
02:28:21.000Who are you around, the people you're around, be kind, be friendly, have a good time, be nice to each other, enjoy your time together, enjoy each other's company.
02:28:32.000Just, you know, when you think about what you can do in terms of impacting the world or impacting the country, It's real, it's a cliche to say start with the people that are around you.
02:28:46.000It really is cliche, but it is kind of true.
02:28:48.000Because you do have a ripple effect on the way you treat people and the friendships you have and how it affects other people and the more good people that you're around, the more they affect other people.
02:29:00.000There's really some kind of a ripple effect.
02:29:02.000If we can get more people to adopt it, that's where mushroom legalization comes in.
02:29:08.000Yeah, well, they had some good victories for mushroom.
02:30:29.000Fucking liquor stores, every other corner.
02:30:31.000It's too easy to get some drugs and impossible to get others.
02:30:34.000And the fact that the ones that are super beneficial...
02:30:38.000Like, there's a study that I posted the other day on my Instagram...
02:30:41.000That they show that psilocybin therapy is four times more effective for treating depression than antidepressants that we're currently using.
02:32:57.000Your blue balls have turned your dick gangrene.
02:33:01.000It won't let you leave the house for eight months.
02:33:03.000But it's always like, when you've got like a decade to look back at the shit, that's when you always see how full of shit the government was.
02:33:11.000Like, oh, they were so full of shit about that.
02:33:14.000That's when you look back and you see Dick Cheney going, we're going to find those weapons of mass destruction.
02:33:23.000Was it Colin Powell that said the proof might come in the form of a mushroom cloud?
02:33:28.000I believe that was Condoleezza Rice who said that.
02:33:32.000But Colin Powell went to the UN with drawings of Saddam Hussein's mobile WMD, like, fucking trucks or something, and he was like, this is where they go down here, and this is where they go down here.
02:33:45.000It's just all made up nonsense, but just, like, really selling it, like, really.
02:34:43.000My guess is that there might be part of him who really wanted to go fucking take Saddam out.
02:34:48.000As you could imagine, if you were leading a military invasion and some of your men were killed by this guy, even though not too many were killed, but I'm sure you'd have a personal thing.
02:35:00.000And so I think that might have been part of it.
02:36:20.000And what we did was basically get behind George W. Bush as he ruined the 21st century.
02:36:27.000We thought we were getting behind George W. Bush because we thought there was weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and he was going to go in there and take them out.
02:36:36.000Yeah, but it's much easier when everybody's unified and behind a leader, it's much easier to be persuaded that he's doing this great thing for all of us.
02:36:44.000And yeah, I think people were behind him for somewhat noble reasons.
02:36:47.000Like, yeah, we're going to go get the guys who got us.
02:36:54.000Nowadays, looking back at George Bush, it's hard for people who were young then or weren't alive then to even imagine that he was a really popular president.
02:37:02.000Because by the end, he had given us two disastrous wars and the worst economy and Katrina.
02:37:06.000Well, he was really popular right after 9-11.
02:38:05.000Well, relatively for that part of the world.
02:38:08.000But he was still, you know, like, I mean, they're all Muslims, you know.
02:38:13.000But it was really crazy to think this dictator who ruled over this country with an iron fist is now sitting there with a judge, you know, like, telling him what to do.
02:38:21.000And it's just a very weird fucking dynamic.
02:39:43.000He realized that they had him, and he realized that they had him, and he's surrounded by all these people, and this just look, just full shock.
02:40:52.000Yeah, it's like, hey, Hillary, like one of her handlers has to be like, hey, we're reminding you, you're trying to convince these people you're human.
02:41:54.000And this was, by the way, this whole thing we're talking about, overthrowing Gaddafi, destroying the country, leading to the open-air slave trade markets, this was all done under Obama's administration, with Hillary Clinton pushing for it, with Joe Biden as the vice president.
02:42:08.000So, again, just the idea that, like, oh, yay, Trump's gone and we've returned to normal.
02:42:14.000But if normal is, you know, getting us into wars in Libya, in Syria, in Yemen, continuing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, there's some pretty negative aspects to normal.
02:42:26.000So let's play not even devil's advocate, but let's imagine.
02:42:30.000What do you do if you don't help them overthrow Libya?
02:42:33.000If you do decide this guy's an evil dictator and has been for decades?
02:42:38.000You want to get them out, but what do you do?
02:42:40.000Do you fund the people that are trying to get them out?
02:42:42.000If that doesn't work, and what if it does work, and they get them out and they kill them like they did, how do you ensure that democracy gets instituted when it's never been successful anywhere else that we've overthrown?
02:42:54.000Is there one place that we've overthrown that's like, look at them now.
02:43:40.000Washington, D.C. Washington has a huge crime problem.
02:43:46.000These politicians can't even figure out crime in Washington, D.C. The idea that they're going to take on the crime problem in Libya is so beyond absurd.
02:43:55.000I just think this country was never founded to be the policeman of the world.
02:44:00.000We're not supposed to be an empire, even though we are.
02:45:16.000Outside of Libya and Yemen, is it possible to say that the rest of the world is better off the way Iraq is and the way Afghanistan is today?
02:45:40.000Basically that's the problem that since the end of the Bush administration, all through the Obama administration and into Trump, Is that now their big problem is, you know, Iran just has all this influence in the region.
02:46:12.000We could never destroy America, but we could lure America into the Middle East and make themselves, spend themselves into debt, you know, like unravel their whole, extend themselves way too far militarily.
02:46:25.000This is how you get empires to collapse.
02:46:55.000Yeah, well, it's, I mean, I'm sure there are other examples of getting rid of a dictator, but usually it has to come from the people, kind of like, you know, like realizing they want something better.
02:47:06.000But of us getting rid of someone, is there any time that the United States overthrew a dictator and then everything got better?
02:47:14.000Yeah, I mean, I guess Japan, if you consider the emperor or whatever to be a dictator.
02:47:18.000But didn't he just, he bowed down, right?
02:47:29.000And also, but look, like the thing you were saying, the problem with overthrowing a dictator is that, and it's something that people should consider in a lot of these situations, that things can be worse.
02:47:38.000You know, like, I mean, maybe sometimes it couldn't be much worse.
02:50:10.000The way we look at COVID now, the way we look at a pandemic now, having just gone through it, we could be looking at a nuclear holocaust the same way.
02:50:17.000We could be looking at someone detonating a bomb in Chicago.
02:50:21.000We could be looking at the possibility that we are really locked down.
02:50:26.000Like there really are draconian measures to ensure safety and security because they have detonated a nuclear bomb in an American city.
02:50:58.000I mean, it's like even when you think about like, you know, like the beef with Iran or something like that, and they'll be like, you know, like the CIA overthrew their government in 1953, and then in 1979, they overthrew that government and they've basically hated America ever since,
02:51:14.000And you're like, but 1953 to 1979, that's like Bill Clinton to now.
02:51:18.000Like, I remember Bill Clinton's presidency.
02:51:20.000I mean, like, you know, it's a while ago, but it's like, no, if someone like just some other government overthrew Bill Clinton, I'd still remember that right now.
02:51:28.000I'd be like, yeah, these motherfuckers came in and like overthrew our government.
02:51:31.000It's just so easy for us to get used to what we're used to.
02:51:35.000Did you ever hear the Albert Einstein quote, which I might butcher, but it was something like he said, he goes, I don't know what weapons will be used to fight World War III, but World War IV will certainly be fought with rocks and sticks.
02:52:42.000Our version of what's possible is based entirely on what we've experienced.
02:52:46.000I mean, just like we never remembered those photos of those people with masks on in 1918. You know, our version of reality pre-COVID has been forever altered now that we know that COVID exists.
02:53:03.000We always hear about these comets that are whizzing by and these asteroids that get really close to Earth.
02:53:07.000One of those motherfuckers could slam into us.
02:53:10.000And I've had some people on that have studied their whole life versions of these scenarios where civilization has been forced to repeat itself because of the fact that we were hit and that this has probably happened multiple times over the Ascension of human civilization and that it's one of the reasons why you have these ancient structures in Egypt that are very different in the way they're constructed versus the ones from Cleopatra's era
02:53:40.000or versus the ones from like the time where they built the Great Pyramid of Giza.
02:53:47.000And isn't there like, because I remember reading about this like a decade ago, so I might not know that much about it, but isn't there stuff about like the water erosion on the Sphinx or something like that where they can't Yeah.
02:54:42.000This is just one era, and that there's likely multiple eras before that, and the big piece of evidence is the water erosion in the Temple of the Great Sphinx, because they know that they cut these stones out in order to create the Sphinx, but there's massive water erosion on these rocks,
02:55:00.000and the last time there was significant rainfall in the Nile Valley was 9,000 B.C., So instead of 2500 BC, now it's 9000 BC. And then they have to think, well, this is thousands of years of rainfall that caused this erosion.
02:55:16.000So we might be talking 10,000, 11,000 BC. So they don't really know when all this happened, but they do think that it coincides with The end of the Ice Age.
02:55:29.000At the end of the Ice Age, there's a dramatic climate change that's somewhere around 12,000 years ago, which would put it around 10,000 BC. Somewhere around 12,000 years ago, this is where Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock and a bunch of others have really gotten into this Younger Dryas Impact Theory.
02:55:51.000And that is somewhere between 12,000 and 10,000-ish years ago, and it might have been multiple occasions, we were hit.
02:55:58.000And that this was essentially a restart of civilization in a lot of areas, and an end to the Ice Age in a lot of areas as well.
02:56:06.000And Randall Carlson's work is fucking spectacular.
02:56:09.000When he shows you these images that indicate massive melting of ice over a spectacular landscape in a really amazingly short period of time.
02:56:22.000Like a couple days worth of water pouring through fucking trillions of gallons.
02:56:28.000Permanently moving the landscape, changing it, moving stones.
02:57:07.000And so he starts, he's a brilliant guy and he could talk about this forever.
02:57:15.000They think that it's highly likely that there was, not just here, but in many parts of the world, there was massive impacts that probably didn't kill everybody, but probably basically shut down all progress for who knows how many hundreds,
02:57:33.000And then what you're seeing when you're looking at 2500 BC and all their amazing structures was the knowledge they had left.
02:57:39.000And a lot of that was lost to the Library of Alexandria getting burnt down.
02:57:43.000So the stuff that they built later is spectacular, but they had been building pretty amazing shit for most likely thousands of years before we thought they were.
02:58:13.000He goes, it's in ancient Rome and ancient Greece.
02:58:16.000There's a lot of transvestites and a lot of people swapping genders.
02:58:20.000It's almost like a dissolving of all classifications and barriers and all the things that we took for granted as society.
02:58:28.000When society really starts falling apart, they start questioning every last fiber of what it means to be a person and what it means to fit into the culture.
02:58:37.000Well, you know, I became politically radicalized from Ron Paul's campaigns.
02:58:42.000That's really when I got interested in politics.
02:58:45.000It was around 2007, 2008 when he was running for president.
02:58:48.000And I just still to this day love the guy.
02:59:09.000And this is like, it's going to happen if we keep going this way.
02:59:12.000So I always kind of had that view in my head.
02:59:14.000And then to see what's happened with all the cultural stuff over the last, you know, like 10 years, while all of that other stuff is going on too.
02:59:22.000And you're like, this really feels like a collapsing empire.
03:01:19.000If, you know, it was always kind of like, Ron Paul would say things at the Republican debates, and it'd be like, hey, look, you guys might boo me out of the arena, and that's fine.
03:01:29.000I'm going to go home to my family, and I told the truth.
03:01:31.000It's the truth, whether you like it or not, and that's fine.
03:02:55.000Did you see when Tucker Carlson had Governor Murphy from New Jersey No, I didn't see it.
03:03:28.000Okay, so recently there was like a church service that you shut down and you arrested four Jewish people for being at temple.
03:03:34.000And he goes, what right do you have to do that?
03:03:38.000He goes, I mean, in the Bill of Rights, it's very clearly defined that the right to religious, you know, expression is, you know, so he's like, so where do you get the authority to shut down a place of worship?
03:03:50.000And he goes, well, you know, we weren't thinking about the Bill of Rights when we did this.
03:03:55.000We're just trying to keep people safe.
03:03:57.000And then he goes, he was like, yeah, but where do you get the authority?
03:04:00.000And he goes, well, that's above my pay grade.
03:04:55.000There was like an anti-lynching bill, and they would blast people for being like, so-and-so was against the, so-and-so, like Rand Paul, he was one of the ones, he voted against the anti-lynching bill, and you're like, okay, wait, first of all...
03:05:07.000Like, so explain to me what exactly was in it.
03:05:09.000And then it turns out that Rand Paul's problem was that this, like, he goes, this, like, really broadly defines what a hate crime is.
03:05:16.000And now it seems that, like, if someone were to, like, get in a bar fight, you could, like, give them, like, 20 years under, like, some hate crime legislation.
03:06:53.000I don't run it, but they put clips out of shit.
03:06:55.000Some of the Gas Digital people started it for me because I'm retarded and don't have an Instagram in 2020. Yeah, how did you not have an Instagram?