In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe talks about his new TV show, "The Wild Man in a Van," and how it reminds him of his favorite TV character, Tom Green. He also talks about how he got into the van and what it's like living out in the wilderness with his dog, Charlie, who's a rescue dog from the Bahamas. And he talks about what he's been up to since he got a new truck and how he's going to travel the country in it. Joe also talks a little bit about the new truck he's got, the Ram Promaster 2500, and why he's not a fan of sleeping in the backseat of his new truck. And, of course, there's a whole bunch of other stuff he's talking about, too, like getting tested by his ex-wife, Drew, and his new van, the Boho Boho-Boho Tank Tank! Enjoy the episode, and don't forget to subscribe to the pod by clicking the bell to get notified when a new episode is available. It means you'll be the first to know when new episodes are available. Subscribe to the podcast! Subscribe on Apple Podcasts! Subscribe on iTunes Subscribe on Podcoin Learn more about your ad choices. Rate, review, and subscribe to our podcast. All of that and more by becoming a supporter of The O.J. Rogan Podcast! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Thank you for listening to The OJ Rogan Show. Thank you so much for being a friend of the OJ Show! - Thank you, CJ Rogan and Good Morning Podcasts. Cheers. - Cheers, Cheers! - Rory Mclean - Rory Dorsey - Caitie, AJ Rogan, JR, and the Crew at The Oj Show, JRODGS, and The Crew at Old Town Roadhouse Thank You, Caitie & The Crew, JROGAN! - The OJJ Podcast, - & the Crew, Gorms, by Mr. Dorian, All Day Show, by Ms. , and the Oj Day, The Crew , (featuring the OVY Boho House, , & The OVYS, & The Wacky Crew, "The OJ Podcast, by the OZ Show, and .
00:00:22.000You go from being a television and movie star to being a wild man traveling the land with your vagabond dog that you got from another country.
00:02:39.000Here, it's called BLM Land, Bureau of Land, Managed Land.
00:02:42.000I'm sure you know all about that from hunting and going out into the wilderness.
00:02:45.000I didn't really know about Bureau of Land Management Land, and there's certain apps that will show you all the fire roads, all the remote places that you can go and do dispersed camping, go boondocking, they're called...
00:02:59.000Does your van have off-road capabilities?
00:05:58.000So I can go out into the middle of nowhere and have virtually unlimited electronic capability and just stay there as long as I want until I run out of food.
00:06:38.000I never know where I'm going every day.
00:06:40.000I got weird stories over the last six weeks where I've just been like, Not sure where I'm going to sleep, and the sun's going down, and then I end up going down a crazy road.
00:06:50.000And then the first night I got stuck in the Mojave Desert because I looked up on this app, Dispersed Fire Road.
00:08:50.000I built my studio equipment into a road case, and I thought, well, that could fit under the bed, and then we sort of planned it out where there's a little door that opens, and you can access it under the bed, and we've wired all the cables through the walls,
00:12:00.000Boondocking is, I think it's a Filipino word from the U.S. military brought that word.
00:12:05.000There's a lot of people that plan, they get a kick out of meticulously planning like a 500 mile venture through the off-road, through the wilderness with these like off-road, I forget why they call it trekking, god damn it.
00:13:16.000And this is what I kind of talk about on my social media and some of the videos I make on YouTube.
00:13:21.000I'm sometimes sort of telling people like, hey, you know, if you're like sitting around at home right now and you're bored and you're angry about shit, you can just get in your car and drive out to these beautiful places.
00:13:39.000You know, the last week, I was on the top of a mountain in the Lincoln National Forest, right on the border of New Mexico and Texas.
00:13:50.000And, I mean, there's drone shots where there's nobody for, like, seems like 100 miles.
00:13:58.000I drove for an hour up this two-lane paved highway and didn't see a car the entire time driving there.
00:14:06.000And then you get up there and you find...
00:14:12.000Hunters are up there, so there's lots of dispersed spots with fire pits.
00:14:16.000You're up there all by yourself, and you get up in the morning, and I make coffee with this gas-powered kettle, so I'm not eating my battery.
00:14:52.000I got all this canned food for the house, and I was just cooking for myself, and then I thought, you know, I could just take this out, take this on the road.
00:14:59.000So you're spending a lot of time with no people.
00:15:17.000You start to feel a little bit, and I think this is probably something that maybe is affecting everybody with the quarantining and the pandemic and all that stuff.
00:15:26.000Maybe not, maybe, certainly not everyone's in their van, but you start to get to the point where you think, maybe I didn't get social anxiety coming here because, like, I know you guys are getting all tested and all that stuff, but I have a little bit...
00:15:41.000You know I have a little bit more paranoia about getting this virus than the average person.
00:19:11.000I honestly have it just because I feel like when I'm going in bear country, and when I go walking deep into the woods, I kind of feel a little nervous.
00:19:44.000Well, basically, so like last week I was up on this mountaintop in the Lincoln National Forest and so there was a sort of a long, straight, I'd call it like a ravine or something.
00:20:00.000So I just walked straight along that ravine.
00:20:02.000I knew that would lead back to the van.
00:20:04.000And I followed that until I, probably a mile or so, until I hit a landmark that went that way.
00:20:11.000It was a sort of a limestone ledge that went straight.
00:20:15.000So I don't go so far that I'm going in circles, right?
00:20:20.000Keeping very good track on those landmarks and I just know that okay, I walked a mile down to this ravine and this ravine to this limestone ledge, now I'll walk a mile that way.
00:20:31.000Do you find yourself way more aware of where you are because you have to be responsible for yourself and because you are alone, off-grid, different than you would be that if you were with a bunch of friends wandering around you probably wouldn't be paying that much attention?
00:21:02.000But, you know, there's something even really extra special about it.
00:21:06.000Yeah, I have a lot of friends who really enjoy it.
00:21:09.000And to clarify, I do bring the dog with me on a lot of these walks when I have the shotgun, but I have no intention of firing the gun because I don't want to hurt her ears, right?
00:21:55.000The other night, we were surrounded by them.
00:21:58.000Multiple times we've been surrounded by them in the van at night.
00:22:01.000So it was sort of late at night, and I had a campfire going, and we just heard, like, you know, I don't know, more than I've ever heard, actually.
00:22:09.000There must have been, like, 30 or something out there.
00:22:11.000And they were howling, and for a moment, she barked, and then I said, Quiet.
00:22:16.000And then she sort of realized, I could see her realize, because she barks at everything.
00:22:20.000There's a video I've put up on my YouTube, which is pretty funny, because, you know, we saw some, we saw a javelina, you know, a wild boar.
00:22:31.000Yeah, we were in the van, so we were driving down this road, this was in New Mexico, and I'm getting my camera to get this shot of this, you know, wild boar.
00:25:14.000There's something about being all alone in the middle of nowhere at night surrounded by coyotes that I'd be lying if I say it wasn't a little bit scary.
00:26:07.000They make like really super high-end hunting backpacks and he spends hundreds of days a year in the woods by himself.
00:26:16.000Either by himself or with other people hunting, and he goes on these long, backpacking, solo adventures hunting, where he goes deep into the woods, many, many, many miles in by himself, with just his camp on his back.
00:26:27.000And that's the thing that he's always said, is that you get in there, and then once you get back to civilization, you want to call ex-girlfriends and apologize, or call friends and mend fences, and just sort of give you an inventory of what you've been...
00:26:41.000I think sometimes we get caught up in momentum in life, you know, that life is a series of things that you have to do.
00:26:50.000You wake up in the morning, you have to be at work at a certain time, you try to get to the gym, you try to get this, and then you have phone calls you have to make, and then you have to, you know, sync your calendar with the other people you're working with, and then there's this and that, and then you're planning for...
00:27:03.000In two weeks we have that meeting and this and that.
00:28:12.000You know a hater or whatever and then I'll get into a little thing with him and it's fun but for the most part I've created kind of a very positive thing but but like what's fun is just getting away from it from the phone but like what you said is exactly what it's been like going through that I just love it out there and and and what have you learned about yourself?
00:28:32.000Definitely that I've been on my phone too much but I think I think one thing that I've learned is that it that I I actually do Pretty well being alone, actually.
00:28:44.000I was worried that maybe I would not be able to...
00:29:06.000After a couple of days, I just start to really kind of get very relaxed, and you start to kind of feel a nice connection with nature, I guess.
00:29:20.0008 at night, 9 at night, waking up at 5.30 in the morning, you know, making my coffee as the sun is rising over a mountain, and so I'm watching the sun rise, and it's cold.
00:29:33.000It's cold in the morning up there, man.
00:29:35.000So especially when I was up in northern Utah, like, cold.
00:29:39.000But there's a whole system to keeping the van warm and stuff, too.
00:30:54.000And he's in the middle of the winter, like, covered in snow and does all these detailed things, like how he gets out of snow, what he does, and how he stays warm.
00:31:03.000Yeah, I imagine it would be a lot less...
00:31:08.000Simple up in that kind of temperature.
00:31:11.000Well, just camping in cold weather is rough.
00:31:13.000You have to have the right insulated sleeping bag.
00:31:16.000You have to make sure that you have...
00:33:50.000And, you know, a big part of this for me is also looking for places that are going to photograph well, you know, because I enjoy photography and video.
00:34:00.000Do you have all this stuff on TomGreen.com?
00:34:37.000Named after Travels with Charlie, the John Steinbeck novel, Travels with Charlie.
00:34:43.000And if you see on the van, see at the back, you can't read it, but there's a blurry word right above the rear wheel.
00:34:48.000It's Rossinante, which is what, yeah, right there, which was Steinbeck called his van, Rossinante, which is named after Don Quixote's horse.
00:34:58.000So there's multiple layers of homages there.
00:37:29.000But I have a few little interesting tricks for that, too.
00:37:35.000But if I ever get stuck in a bind where I've been driving and I haven't found a nice place like that, I'll go to just a straight-up truck stop.
00:37:44.000And I'll wedge in between a bunch of 18-wheelers, crash, get up in the morning, and start finding my destination.
00:37:52.000What I've been finding is I get on this sort of pattern where I'll go...
00:38:00.000A couple of days where I don't find a place like that.
00:38:03.000But every three or four days I'll find a place kind of at that level of beauty.
00:38:07.000And then once I'm there, I'll stay there for four or five days and just really get into it.
00:38:39.000Back in the silver mining and gold mining days when they built the railroads, first of all, the silver would dry up, the town would dry up.
00:38:47.000So there's these towns that are just You know, dilapidated, broken-down towns in the middle of the...
00:42:27.000All the way from LA, the whole way to here.
00:42:29.000I maybe was on the 10 for like maybe a couple of miles just to get from one highway to another.
00:42:35.000So you take the smaller highways and then you see like these towns, these places that You know, went away when the railway was built somewhere else, or when they put the interstate somewhere else, the town dried up, and then there's these towns that are just kind of half alive and fledgling towns,
00:42:53.000and there's some real beauty there to it, right?
00:42:55.000So, you know, from a photography standpoint, you know, like there's a lot of nice architecture and things that is just really interesting.
00:43:03.000So you consciously made a decision in the beginning of this journey to not take any interstates?
00:44:25.000I'm working with this great company out of Ottawa, my hometown, called Mercury Filmworks, and they actually animate Mickey Mouse and all sorts of stuff for Disney, the big animated company, and so I'm writing a fun show about...
00:46:14.000Part of my plan is to, you know, when I start touring again, doing stand-up again, I think I might take a few less airplanes in the future and be in the van a little bit more.
00:46:25.000So like say if you have a gig, if you decided to stand up in Utah, you might drive there.
00:46:28.000I'm thinking I might start to talk to, you know, the way I book it about sort of doing more of a road trip type run of like in a straight line as opposed to go, oh, I'm in, you know, Seattle this week and Boston next week.
00:47:34.000Since in Canada, I was a kid, you'd take a thermos to hockey because we play outside on outdoor rinks, and you bring a thermos of hot chocolate.
00:50:14.000They're always like listening around and their ears are twisting and if you snap a branch, they'll pop up and start running.
00:50:23.000Obviously, that was a fun day with you and Steve out there, but that was in Nevada, wasn't it?
00:50:29.000Yeah, that was in the Nevada high country where we were hunting mule deer.
00:50:32.000We struck out, but I got real close a couple times to deer, just didn't really get a shot.
00:50:38.000Is it kind of sort of nice sometimes when they get away?
00:50:42.000It is because, well, it's a luxury because I'm living in a first world country and I have access to food and I'm not starving.
00:50:51.000So it's a luxury that I can enjoy the fact that they got away.
00:50:55.000Because this is something that I've been grappling with a little bit because, like I said, I'm not a hunter, but now I am hunting, but I haven't Actually seen anything, so I'm just looking.
00:51:05.000When I'm saying I'm hunting, I'm looking for something.
00:51:53.000This was on the road for a while, but it was, you know, I know the dusty grouse is native to this certain elevation in the Weisach Plateau.
00:52:24.000But there was a moment where I was walking through the Aspens looking for the dusty grouse.
00:52:34.000You know, didn't see one, and then there were three beautiful deer standing there, like, you know, as far as Jamie away, looking at me, standing there with my shotgun, looking at him.
00:52:46.000I'm just like, I don't know what I'd do with you guys, but I am pretty hungry right now, but I'll let you guys go.
00:52:52.000I'm going to keep looking for my bird.
00:53:13.000And I'm sure you would develop a different sort of relationship with the animal.
00:53:17.000You would think that you're very appreciative of them, but you'll develop this real predator-prey relationship with animals if you need to survive.
00:53:30.000I've talked about this many times, but unfortunately I'm going to talk about it again.
00:53:34.000There's a fantastic series that Vice Guide to Travel did.
00:53:38.000Back in the day, it's quite a few years old, at least eight years old, I think.
00:53:42.000It's called Heinmo's Arctic Adventure.
00:53:46.000And it's a guy, I think his name is Heinmo Kuth.
00:58:06.000Like, you know, I just watched your interview with Kanye.
00:58:09.000I just watched your interview with Alex Jones, and I'm just seeing all these subjects that I see swirling around, and I'm going, well, that's the kind of stuff that, like, When I go down a rabbit hole on the internet, I want to learn about these things.
00:58:26.000Was there a moment where you realized, oh wait, if I talk about X, Y, or Z, that's really capturing people's attention?
00:58:35.000Or was it just what you were interested in?
00:58:55.000Oh, Bob Lazar said he worked on alien technology in Area S4. Oh, I want to talk to him.
00:59:01.000Oh, this guy said he saw Bigfoot, or that guy says he's working on life extension and figuring out how to lengthen your telomeres, or this guy knows how to, you know, whatever it is.
00:59:11.000They're figuring out the age of the universe, or people that are writing books, or people that are former military people, or people that are whatever they are.
00:59:22.000If I find them interesting, I like people.
01:00:33.000Chappelle and I were having a conversation about this last night, and we were talking about how people here in Austin, they're real people.
01:00:42.000They're not people that are trying to get famous and people that are trying to get on television shows and do movies, and there's a weirdness to that life.
01:00:51.000And some of the people that do that...
01:02:33.000So luckily, in the beginning, when I maybe could have used a little help getting guests or doing things or getting advertisement or something like that, they didn't get involved.
01:02:43.000Because if somebody got involved, they would have definitely told me to not do things that have turned out to be very successful.
01:02:49.000Like, I'm sure they would have told me to not interview controversial people or not interview people that, you know, you're going to get criticized for specific topics or, you know, specific people that are writing books that may, you know, ruffle a bunch of people's feathers.
01:03:54.000There's people that have podcasts, and they have a bunch of people that are there at the studio telling them to talk about different things, telling them to pick different subjects, telling them, let's move on.
01:04:50.000I did his show on HBO. He's a great guy.
01:04:53.000Really interesting guy, and I love the way he does his podcast, but I did his HBO show, dude, and you're surrounded by people.
01:05:01.000It's me and him sitting in the booth just like this, but there's fucking people there, and there's people there, and there's people walking around the set.
01:05:07.000It's distracting, and there's people standing around.
01:05:09.000They got notes and clipboards, and there's camera people everywhere, and you're like, what?
01:06:19.000I had a little bit of fear factor money in the bank, where I'm like, if this shit completely hits the fan, I can just sort of live off of that.
01:07:47.000And I think that the way he communicates, his sort of manic style of thinking and constantly creating and doing things, It's why he's so successful.
01:07:58.000This stream of consciousness that he has is also why he's so prolific as an artist.
01:08:23.000I was curious as to how I was going to talk to him and I wanted to make sure that we can do it in a way where other people are going to appreciate there's a great value in the way he thinks.
01:08:36.000And then if you get it in sound bites or you get it in some weird thing where he says something and people get mad at him and they boo him or something like that.
01:10:05.000Whatever you call an illness is a particular style of thinking that he has that's sort of nonlinear, and it's wild, and it's all over the place, but it's also very focused.
01:10:15.000I found in that interview, though, that I've seen him interviewed quite a bit, but that was one where everything he said made a lot of sense.
01:10:33.000It takes a little bit of thinking to come up with how to reorganize the entire way civilization works.
01:10:38.000But that was one of the things that I thought was really good about the interviews.
01:10:42.000You do get a chance to see, like, this is not just a crazy person who buys his own bullshit.
01:10:48.000And by the way, when he's, like, the braggy stuff that he kind of does, talks about himself, First of all, he's being honest about where he is.
01:11:36.000They used me as an example for one of these companies in Canada.
01:11:41.000They used me as an example for how well this deepfake technology works because there's 1,500 fucking plus podcasts in me that are three hours long.
01:11:52.000So you take these sounds that come out of my mouth and then you can make me say anything.
01:12:03.000So you use this catalog of sounds that my voice can make, and that's what he also did with that hologram.
01:12:10.000Because, you know, Robert Kardashian, there's all the cases and all the different times he's been interviewed on television, there's a great catalog of his voice.
01:13:04.000You decide to decide that a person is this person because of one sentence they said one time or because of one thing that they did where they maybe wish they didn't or because of one concert they did where people booed them or whatever you pick about Kanye that people decide he's this.
01:13:21.000People just love to put someone in a box and categorize them and just decide that they want to dismiss them.
01:13:27.000And this is the problem with cancel culture, right?
01:13:31.000We have this idea of things where we want to boil them down to almost a tweet.
01:13:39.000Things that are enormously complicated.
01:13:42.000A man who's lived 40 plus years of his life and in that life has experienced heartbreak and sorrow and success and failure and friendship and betrayal and all these different things and all the creative passions that you've poured out into your work and they want to just Boil you down to a sentence or two.
01:14:14.000It's one of the most negative things about social media is that we want to categorize someone by individual tweets or individual statements.
01:14:56.000Well, that's why the comments are negative.
01:14:58.000You know, when you're reading comments, you're reading one person's typed out thing that's negative about you and you're saying like, oh, I can't help myself.
01:15:06.000Yeah, that is all – there's a real issue with the way human beings are – Taking in other people's opinions.
01:15:17.000It's not that there's anything wrong with taking in people's opinions, but people's opinions are supposed to be shared like this.
01:15:38.000It's very rare that you can just nail something with a sentence or two.
01:15:42.000And also, you're not limited by time, as in normal television.
01:15:46.000There's, oh, we've got seven minutes before the commercial break, so we've got to get to this and this and this, and then you never really end up talking about anything.
01:15:52.000That's been the best part about podcasting without a boss, is that no one has ever told me, like, it has to be 45 minutes long.
01:16:00.000It has to be in here, and let's edit out the parts that weren't as good.
01:16:04.000Let's chop this up and make that, like...
01:20:15.000No, it's just relaxing your mind and taking you away from your distractions and allowing you to just kind of relax and think of things that you might not have thought of if you were distracted by all the seriousness of life, right?
01:20:27.000I think it's more complicated than that.
01:20:29.000I think your body is interacting with molecules that it doesn't come in contact with in the regular world.
01:20:35.000And these molecules have a spiritual connection to the universe that you're not able to access without them.
01:20:43.000I think the molecules of marijuana in particular, when you smoke pot and you just get this, there's a connection that you get with the universe that's not available when you're sober.
01:20:53.000When you're sober, I think that your feelings are in some ways deadened.
01:20:59.000They're deadened by an accumulation of life experience and overwhelming burden of your existence and your friends and your bills and your obligations and your life.
01:21:11.000There's all these things going on and all these things sort of like squash and deaden your sensitivity.
01:21:55.000And you noticed last time I was here, I was like, oh, I don't really like to smoke when I do the thing because I kind of get quiet, you know?
01:22:43.000The question is how much of it is there.
01:22:44.000If you're dealing with hundreds of thousands of workers, like we were talking about it yesterday, like what is the number of election fraud?
01:23:33.000Whoever's in office now, let's support them and hope they do the best.
01:23:38.000Because one of the things we were saying yesterday was that...
01:23:40.000I feel like when Trump was in office, people literally wanted the economy to tank so that he would be a loser.
01:23:47.000They wanted things to go bad because they didn't want him to do well.
01:23:51.000They would rat, like I was saying, if you gave a lot of hardcore people that were Trump haters the choice, would you rather have the country do fantastic and have...
01:24:02.000Trump's, all of his ideas turn out to be the best for our culture, our economy, joblessness, everything's doing great, but he's bragging and he's on TV. Or, would you rather have everything tank and he goes to jail?
01:24:20.000I think there's a lot of people that would say that.
01:24:21.000They would rather the economy go to shit and Trump wound up getting put in jail and removed from office than him being a winner and being successful.
01:24:32.000Because he's such a polarizing figure that we would rather him fail and then the United States – not we.
01:24:41.000Some people would rather him fail and the United States be in a real bad situation than him kick ass and do amazing, the United States booming.
01:24:50.000But this asshole that you hate is like the hero.
01:24:54.000What you do here is amazing because you have this sort of very – Broad audience of people on both sides on your show and you have found a way to, I guess, not polarize it so badly that half the people don't want to pay attention anymore.
01:25:49.000And part of what I've been doing with, you know, my photos and my Podcast and my traveling is, I really, part of what it is is I just want to show my little audience at this time that's tuning in, I want to show them how much there is to celebrate in this country.
01:26:57.000But no, it's interesting because, you know, everybody on social media has to kind of, you know, if you're putting information out there, you end up now having to deal with getting drawn into this argument,
01:27:14.000which is frustrating to someone like me, because, you know, I just want to Take some cool pictures and tell some jokes and have some fun, and all of a sudden, oh, I said something that indicated I believe this or that, and everyone's mad at you.
01:27:29.000So, I mean, I find it pretty incredible how you've found a way of navigating that.
01:28:03.000This is a problem that people that think of themselves as right-wing, they don't want to look at the good aspects of someone from the left.
01:28:15.000Someone from the left like Bernie, first of all, he wants to absolve people of student debt.
01:28:20.000I think if it's possible to spend trillions of dollars in these never-ending wars, it's also possible to absolve people's student debt.
01:28:28.000I think getting people in debt for hundreds of thousands of dollars when you're fucking 17 is crazy.
01:28:43.000And for 17, 18 years old, to have a person like me and give them, saddle them down with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt that's going to follow them to their grave is crazy.
01:28:55.000Percentage of our population, I don't know what it is, but millions of people are saddled down with that kind of debt.
01:29:01.000It's too much money, and it's crazy, and it doesn't make any sense.
01:29:04.000Education could be something that we make for free.
01:29:07.000I think we can use our tax money in better ways that benefit the community as a whole, and I think one of them is by giving people the access to education where it doesn't cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
01:29:59.000Now, we can pretend all day that the world's a perfect place and you're never going to need a gun, but you and I both know that's horseshit.
01:31:06.000Sort of like what we were talking about earlier when we were talking about how you had the confidence and autonomy with your show to do what you want to do and what you believe.
01:31:18.000Politically, that's what you've also done too.
01:31:43.000And because you had the confidence and autonomy to be able to just say it because you didn't have all those people around with the clipboards and shit saying, well, we better not say that because we're on this channel or that channel and this is our message here.
01:33:47.000Anne Hathaway has issued an apology for the pain caused to people with limb differences by her character in HBO Max movie The Witches.
01:33:59.000Based on the Roald Dahl adaptation, Hathaway portrays the evil Grant High Witch who has three fingers on each hand that resemble the congenital disorder...
01:35:22.000It's not that fun having surgery and having one of your testicles.
01:35:25.000Sorry, I'm not trying to bring the mood down here, Joe.
01:35:27.000But I'm just saying, so it's like what happens now is the internet sort of now, one person with three fingers is obviously saddened by that.
01:35:54.000Someone with five fingers assumes the three-fingered person is offended, tweets it, and then the people with the clipboards at the office have to react.
01:38:38.000And I was thinking, I've got to do everything I can to keep working, because all of a sudden I was making all this money I was never making before.
01:39:20.000You can like get by with your hair all fucked up.
01:39:23.000You look good with like as a guy who has like a sock hat who takes it off and steps into the restaurant on a cold day and sits near the fireplace with all fucked up hair.
01:39:48.000The reason why is that it locks you 100% in the conversation and you're really aware of talking over each other, which everyone has a tendency to do.
01:39:57.000I was conscious of it, but I've done enough of this over the years.
01:40:00.000I knew to play the mic right, but I was missing this part of it.
01:40:05.000Yeah, you know, when people don't want to wear the headphones, I'm always like, hmm, okay.
01:40:10.000I did want to wear them, but I also didn't want to take off my cowboy hat right away.
01:41:32.000Like a Leonard Cohen, who's also Canadian.
01:41:34.000He was 21, and he has this song called Kate McKinnon, and you listen to it, and you would swear to God, it is an 80-year-old man who's been drinking and smoking his whole life.
01:45:28.000The first time he wanted to come on the podcast, he was recently unmedicated.
01:45:34.000Like, he had done this concert where he said he supported Donald Trump, and everybody booed him, and the next thing you know, he's in a mental institution.
01:46:42.000And when I see a person like Kanye, and I see how sensitive he is, and I see all these people that are trying to chop him down all the time, and I made fun of his fucking sneakers.
01:46:53.000I mean, Jamie gave me a pair of Yeezys, and I was making fun of him.
01:51:14.000When Denzel Washington was like, he wouldn't even fuck his girlfriend because he had to practice, I was like, wow, that's dedication.
01:51:22.000And I remember thinking, the dedication that a blues musician has, or a jazz musician has, where they're just constantly practicing their instrument, is so much different than a stand-up.
01:59:43.000But I think it's also like there's a thing about looking at something that's always a certain distance from you on a regular basis over and over and over again.
01:59:52.000I don't think we're supposed to do that.
02:00:38.000They're going to be able to put injections into people's eyes and then, I'm absolutely butchering this, but then do something with virtual reality that actually improves the way your vision is.
02:01:09.000And this is from 2017. And preliminary clinical trial has found that injecting a common cold-like virus in the eyes of age-related macular degeneration patients, one of the leading causes of blindness in the U.S., it can halt and even reverse the progression of the disease.
02:01:36.000They're out there trying to fix problems with cancer and age and telomere length and mental deterioration and all the things that plague all of us.
02:02:47.000Your show was one of the first things that I ever did where I thought, oh my god, you could do this on your own.
02:02:52.000When I went to your house and you had these wires going through your living room, and then you had a server room, and me and Red Band were like, holy shit, dude.
02:03:10.000I think we're all in this together, man, but you, no doubt, without any question, you helped me a lot.
02:03:16.000Because you gave me a thought that I didn't really have before, that some guy could be so ahead of the curve that, I mean, you were doing this in like 2000 and like, what, four?
02:03:37.000A lot of it was from you and the rest of it was from Opie and Anthony.
02:03:40.000You know, I think you're inspiring so many people because the thing is, that's the hardest part about being creative or being an artist or whatever you want to call it.
02:03:51.000A comedian, a writer, a musician, all these things, right?
02:04:02.000That's like really the thing because everybody kind of sort of second guesses himself and says, okay, maybe I shouldn't just be doing this, you know?
02:06:46.000Now that I'm sitting here, before I might have said, you know, well, you could, you know, he's Joe fucking Rogan.
02:06:53.000He could have as much space as he wants, but he could put himself in a big, big, giant thing, Coliseum kind of place with background, deep, deep background.
02:07:00.000You could have like, but the thing is like, no, because I always think about depth in photography.
02:07:05.000I think about depth, but then when you, as far as the experience, when you're in an intimate conversation with one person for an hour, you're sitting there going, oh, we're going to talk to each other for an hour.
02:07:13.000It's kind of a nice feeling like there's not people back far in the distance.
02:07:17.000I think it creates an interesting environment.
02:08:02.000So what is that that you think that it is that it is in people where we drive ourselves to kind of create this vision we have in our mind, you know?
02:09:19.000Do a room where, say, like you and I, Tom Green, Joe Rogan, sitting at a bar table, a circular bar table, you and I would just hang in talking to each other, just two microphones, very intimate.
02:09:34.000Behind us, all green screen, in space.
02:09:36.000So when you see the podcast, it's just us in space.
02:10:25.000He has a setup where, if you go to his channel, go to see if there's a clip of him, it looks like he's in front of a window that overlooks this spectacular...
02:12:56.000Pat from Wynaki is a dude who won their eggnog drinking contest and then vomited in another man's mouth who was leaning over a garbage can surrounded by comics, Bill Burr,
02:13:11.000Ari Shafir, me, Opie, Anthony, a bunch of staff.
02:15:09.000This is how bonkers radio was back then.
02:15:13.000And so those guys gave a chance to guys like Ari and me and Joey Diaz and all those guys who out of that group that were doing those radio shows early in the morning and you would do that show and you would go,
02:17:17.000You could say, like, well, you know, the weird thing about dogs is...
02:17:21.000It's really what mankind has done to wolves.
02:17:24.000Like, they've taken them and subjugated them and then fucking genetically mutated them to be some thing that sits in your lap that relies on you to stay alive.
02:17:53.000Like, for real, that's actually what we've been doing for the last six weeks and it's ridiculous, but it's really fun and I'm loving it and Charlie's loving it.
02:19:44.000And then once we started capturing them and keeping them in our houses and shit, the ones that survived are the ones that were the most obedient, the ones that were the most compliant, the ones that didn't...
02:21:47.000When you were doing that show out of your house and you had me over as a guest and I remember sitting at your table going, look at what Tom Green did.
02:23:36.000We brought a canoe and we said, let's paddle out to that island and we'll bring some beer, we'll bring some whiskey, we'll light a fire, we'll hang out and it'll be fun.
02:25:08.000And so it's a unique situation because of the pandemic and the fact that I've got, you know, we're all isolating and I've got nothing else to do other than go at my van with this new dog.
02:25:18.000And she was rescued by a rescue from, they're called Thrive in San Diego.
02:26:51.000In the Bahamas, they call the street dogs that are running around, the strays, they call them potcake dogs because they go to the local people, cook them, you know, they feed them the burnt rice from the...
02:27:03.000And that's why they're called potcake dogs.
02:35:41.000Within two years and two or three years or something?
02:35:44.000The only reason why it's not is because we have a distorted idea of what it is.
02:35:48.000And the quicker it would be made legal, the quicker people would be able to do legitimate research on it and find out why there are these...
02:36:00.000Adverse reactions that some people have.
02:36:03.000Because that's the only thing that bothers me.
02:36:48.000I've known three or four people that tell stories about having some experience when they're on edibles and all their friends say they snapped.
02:37:04.000Do you remember the first time you got high?
02:37:06.000Do you remember the first time you got high?
02:37:10.000Not really the first time, but I remember the first time as an adult because I really didn't do it for a long time until I was about 30 and then I started getting high again.
02:37:19.000But I only got high between 30 and whenever I first started doing it, like a handful of times, like four or five times my whole life until I was 30. I had never smoked.
02:38:02.000When you're a kid, that's what's fucked up about this.
02:38:05.000Like, I don't want to tell anybody what to do.
02:38:06.000But when you're a kid, and this is like, again, I said that I got drunk for the first time, I was like 15 or 16, like really bad, threw up in a car, in a cab on the way home.
02:38:18.000I think there's something that's going on that you can't think of while it's happening with the development of your brain when you're 15 years old.
02:38:28.000There's a bunch of shit going on that you really don't understand.
02:38:33.000In some way, it's up to the people that have gone through it to protect you from the potential negative aspects of all your bad decision making.
02:39:41.000I think drinking is a fun act of rebelliousness as a teenager, but maybe that's probably where it should end.
02:39:49.000I think, in a sense, you'd be better off if you could mentor your children to understand what drinking is and mentor them in a way where you teach them about the dangers of over-drinking.
02:40:01.000You could do it in a way where you don't even have to get the kids drunk.
02:40:06.000You just let the kids know, listen, I am a person.
02:40:15.000I am just trying to tell you for your own safety and good that you need to learn how to do this.
02:40:22.000Because if you just start drinking with no supervision when you're 21 years old or 18 in some countries, you're going to fuck yourself up.
02:40:30.000We would both be way better off, me not having to worry about you, and you with understanding the consequences of your actions if we sat down and talked about how to drink.
02:43:46.000We'd go down there, and all the kids from all the high schools would go down there, and you could buy a beer for a dollar or something like that.
02:43:52.000When you're saying this, you know what I see in my head?
02:53:33.000Probably one of the greatest rock and roll bands ever, right?
02:53:37.000I mean, when you think about, like, if you're, like, right on, like, a piece of paper, rock and roll, and then you put under it, you put the ACDC logo.
02:58:11.000It came out in 68. 68. Have you ever heard the statement that, like, I've heard it multiple times, but more specifically with Jimi Hendrix, that he existed in a world where he never could hear Jimi Hendrix play guitar.
02:59:19.000They're coming out with new, weird shit that they're doing in people's bodies that I have a feeling they're going to be able to extend life far beyond what we think of as the threshold.
02:59:30.000We just have to survive past the threshold.
02:59:33.000There was something someone sent me today.
02:59:35.000A study that showed that hyperbaric chambers with oxygen therapy.
03:00:03.000It's like, for 90 days, they did five days a week, 90 minutes of treatment, and within that time period, I think a lot of these people were 65 and older, had, however they measure it with telomeres and all that, 20% or 25 years, someone in there,
03:00:33.000It's an indication of your biological age, or at least one of the markers.
03:00:38.000And the idea is that as the telomeres shrink and shorten, as you get older, they shorten.
03:00:43.000And if you can figure out a way to lengthen your telomeres and actually lengthen your life.
03:00:47.000I am way too stupid to know if that's exactly true.
03:00:51.000But I do know that it's something that people like Dr. David Sinclair, and there's a lot of like...
03:00:57.000People that really concentrate on science and its effect on telomeres and measuring telomeres, they think it's a critical part of aging and anti-aging.
03:01:07.000So if something can come along like this where you can get into a hyperbaric chamber and for 90 days drop your biological age 20 years, we got ourselves a shark tank business, bitch!
03:03:12.000Because you're talking to all these incredible people that literally are...
03:03:18.000Really thinking about really complex ideas at a level that is kind of not really easy to explain to the average person.
03:03:27.000So you can't put that in a box and send it out there.
03:03:30.000Well, that's where Neil deGrasse Tyson is so important, right?
03:03:32.000Because he's a guy who's really good at taking those insanely complex ideas about the cosmos and explaining them in a way that you can grasp if you have a regular person.
03:06:18.000Say whatever you want about Bill Clinton.
03:06:21.000When Bill Clinton was the goddamn president of the United States of America, you might have thought he was doing creepy shit and running around getting his dick sucked and madness and maybe even a few people got offed.
03:06:31.000I didn't think about any of that back then.
03:13:56.000He got in trouble, and then there was another guy who got in trouble who was involved in a heckling situation where these women were heckling him.
03:14:03.000He said horrible shit to them, and they sued him, and then they won in court.
03:14:08.000It's a different sort of a situation over there.
03:14:10.000It's like they were insulting each other back and forth, and he's on stage doing stand-up.
03:14:15.000And he wound up losing a shitload of money.
03:15:31.000You should be on the side of the lesbians.
03:15:34.000I think it was actually, in all fairness, because one of the things that he said about her was that she was a dyke or something like that.
03:15:40.000I think it was just like one of those situations that I'm sure you've experienced at comedy shows where people are drunk and they're yelling shit, the comics yelling shit at the audience members.
03:18:37.000Roy Jones Jr., when he was in the middle of beating the fuck out of everybody, when he was the number one pound-for-pound fighter on the planet with no questions asked, he was also making rap music.
03:22:52.000I want to tell you that you have to think about getting hit in the head differently than is the standard narrative amongst men that don't think about it.
03:31:02.000And this idea that you have to be on that side or this side, you have to support him or him or her or what the fuck ever, you don't.
03:31:12.000Most of these people that are talking about politicians and these ideas that they're fighting over as a cornerstone of their life, they don't even really deeply understand the people they're talking about, the people that they support.
03:31:27.000There's a lot of things they're missing.
03:31:28.000The person syncs up with a good enough idea, that's my team, I'm a fucking Raiders fan, dolphins can suck my ass!
03:31:36.000And next thing you know, you're looking at it the same way a sports fan does.
03:33:02.000The left and the right, the news anchors, the people on MSNBC and Fox News, and everybody's like, all super ineffective ways of communicating.
03:33:53.000Because we got a lot of things that we would all agree on.
03:33:57.000If we could put it into a perspective of this is how much is actually going to impact you in terms of how much you have to pay.
03:34:02.000This is as much how it can actually impact you into how much your...
03:34:07.000The actual quality of life, the quality of life in your community is, how much it gets improved.
03:34:12.000I think most people would be willing, if they were absolutely certain, to know that the quality of their life would improve where they live if they could just add more to the tax pool.
03:35:48.000But when I see them, that's what makes me sad.
03:35:50.000What makes me sad is that a person would get to this position and not have anybody to turn to, not have anybody they can rely on, not have anybody they love that loves them back.
03:36:01.000If you see a person on the street, you're dealing with either drug addiction or a person who doesn't have anybody who really loves them, and they never grew up with someone who loves them, so they don't understand love, they're bad at relationships, they're bad at communication, and they find themselves under a fucking overpass somewhere.
03:36:16.000I think that should be something that we're all more aware of and we have empathy towards people.
03:36:24.000When you look at a city like Los Angeles, for example, that's filled with tents, you're failing these people.
03:36:30.000Whatever you're doing to take care of, if you really want to be empathetic towards people that are homeless or people that are down on their luck or people that are downtrodden, you've got to fix that.
03:37:00.000Well, I will say, like, it is sad when you drive around in the city, and you're in this beautiful city, Los Angeles, with all its history and everything, and it's a beautiful place, and there's people sleeping under this.
03:39:10.000In that time of the world where Rome was conquering everything.
03:39:15.000I went to Rome and saw the Colosseum and you're standing in this place where for who knows how many hundreds of years gladiators fought to the death.
03:39:26.000And you're just thinking about how bananas this whole situation must have been when this place was filled and they would lift up the fucking bottom of the floor and there'd be a tiger and a dude with a sword would fight off a tiger.
03:42:15.000Why not just like, hey, let's just look at everything and not do anything?
03:42:19.000Dude, when I was there, I don't know if they do this for a show for American tourists, but when I was there, I had one of my daughters in the car with me and this fucking Italian dude in Rome stops the car like almost in the middle of an intersection to compliment some woman on her figure.
03:44:33.000Are they all on the cliffs, or are they all different?
03:44:36.000They are different, and they're different places, and there was this whole civilization that was built up out there, and we can just drive out there and go look at them.
03:44:43.000You can go stand there in those spots.
03:44:45.000So I was driving through Flagstaff, right before Flagstaff, Wupataki?
03:46:01.000You can just drive out there and go to it.
03:46:03.000It just makes you think, if you weren't born in this era, if you were born thousands of years ago and you were born in this spot, this would be your village.
03:47:20.000This is a circuitous route to get this macaw feather story.
03:47:23.000They found a macaw feather in there, and then that means that they were trading with the Yucatan Peninsula.
03:47:29.000Oh, because the macaw is from the Yucatan?
03:47:32.000They also found a bison bone in those, so that means there was not bison native to that area, so that means they were trading with other...
03:48:06.000Yeah, there was not, like, a certain amount of time ago, I think it was more than 15,000 years ago, this place, North America, was filled with some really crazy shit, man.
03:48:55.000So you think all these wild beasts and then what, you know, when we think of like safari in Africa, the dangers of safari, those are the animals you would think of.
03:49:04.000North America apparently was filled with those things.
03:49:31.000Seriously, the only reason I'm really pushing it hard here, Joe, is because I was driving down the highway yesterday and we saw these antelope and they were really beautiful.
03:49:59.000They're an animal that predates all the mass extinction of the North American large mammals.
03:50:06.000So the North American large mammals like the African lion, which was previous, but saber-toothed tiger, American cheetah, there was a cheetah that lived in America that was really fast, and those cheetahs are the reason why these pronghorns are so fast.
03:50:22.000They're so fast because they evolved to get away from an animal that doesn't exist anymore.
04:01:38.000I've never seen one of those in a while, but I would shit my pants if I saw that fucking monster.
04:01:43.000Oh, yeah, and they swim up, and you're sitting there going, like, well, that thing's the head's the side of a, you know, like, that could probably potentially hurt.
04:08:01.000Being around Joey, you're never thinking, I have to be the funniest.
04:08:05.000All you're thinking of is let Joey be as funny as he can, and then just do it yourself, but your job when you're around someone like Joey is just let him be as funny as he can.
04:08:18.000Just give him as much encouragement as you can give him.
04:08:24.000Because when you're encouraging him, he's free.
04:08:27.000He's supported, he's loved, and he's free.
04:08:29.000And then he becomes the funniest guy that ever lived.
04:08:31.000So that probably gave you a lot of freedom, though.
04:08:32.000Because then you could fuck around and just be hilarious in that...
04:08:39.000Area where he's he was carrying a lot of that energy, right?
04:08:43.000Well, you can also just kind of give you a joy support system like he created a nice support energy like that was this was the area that you grew up in.
04:08:50.000Well, you all feed off each other for sure.
04:08:53.000Yeah, everyone feeds off everyone's Particular thing that they're really good at or success that they're having.
04:09:32.000My point is, with all things, whether it's with podcasting or with stand-up comedy or with martial arts or with basically anything you do, We're all a mix of all the people that we've met and their influence as well as who we are and what our own expression is.
04:09:48.000But we're a mix of all these other people.
04:09:51.000There's so many fucking people that influence you.
04:13:15.000Listen, thank you originally for inspiring me, because you really did.
04:13:19.000The day that Red Band and I went to your studio, and I saw your house and how you had it set up, that was one of the first seeds And I was on Fear Factor back then, but I remember wandering around your place, how you had it set up, and you were very gracious and very hospitable and took us around.
04:13:35.000You were an awesome host, and you were so happy that you did this.
04:14:58.000And so in the Canadian military, when he was finished doing the tank, he was working, tank commanding, he was working with the Department of National Defense and computers, right?
04:17:37.000We just happened to be on the edge of the time when it became like, oh, there was an opportunity to actually speak out and have your own opinion, right?
04:18:24.000I'm proud of the way the cables are running the van.
04:18:26.000If you were going to the Kimmel show and you were watching how they film it, there's cables on the ground, there's cameras, they're on dollies, and people are moving shit around.
04:18:34.000I'm like, your fucking house looks like a set.
04:24:37.000I do really love sitting down with somebody and talking to them and getting into their mind and asking them what they're up to and how they think and really getting into it.
04:26:18.000It turns out liposomal glutathione, glutathione in particular, liposomal is just a different...
04:26:24.000Liposomal is controversial in that there's some people that don't believe it's a more effective way of getting glutathione into your system.
04:26:43.000That's up to debate, and I don't think there's ever been any real long-term peer-reviewed studies on drunks where you give them glutathione, you give their twin glutathione, and you find out who recovers quicker with the same amount of food in their body,
04:26:58.000same amount of rest, same amount of stress in their life.
04:27:04.000But allegedly, glutathione, all those caveats and disclaimers aside, glutathione helps your body process alcohol more quickly.
04:28:03.000Anyway, glutathione is capable of preventing damage to important cellular components caused by reactive oxygen species, such as free radicals, peroxides, lipid peroxides, and heavy metals.
04:30:34.000I think it's CGI. But he's most certainly capable of doing that if the trucks could be so specific in their movements that they never separated, and that he had time to strengthen his legs at like 50-plus years of age.
04:30:47.000I don't have the video of it, but it says, there's a Wikipedia, three days of rehearsals, It was made in one single take.
04:30:53.000He was protected by a hidden safety harness.
04:33:26.000So for him to just be sitting there all calm and stretched out like that and do it over a long...
04:33:31.000I've seen people do it in between chairs, but they don't do it for very long.
04:33:36.000It's not something you want to do while two trucks are driving.
04:33:39.000This is just what they're saying and everything I can find, that his feet were not connected, so his feet were able to be moved, and that harness was only in case he fell.