Willie D. and Mike Judge are joined by the man who brought his own headphones into the studio for the first time in 500 shows. They talk about the early days of Ghetto Boyz, how they met, and how they became one of the most influential hip-hop groups in the 80s and 90s. They also discuss their favorite songs, and what it was like growing up in the 70s and 80s listening to music in the streets of New York City, and reminisce about their favorite moments growing up as kids in the late 60s and early 70s. Plus, they talk about some of their favorite memories of each other growing up, and why they think the Ghetto Boys are the greatest group in the history of hip hop. It s a jam-packed episode that you won t want to miss. Music: "Sugar Hill Gang" by Scarface "Southside Zero" by Southside Zero Produced and Edited by Willy D. & Mike J. Judge Cover art by Jeff Perla Artwork by Mike Judge Music credit: Willy & Mike Judge ( ) Credits: - "Sugarehill Gang" - "The Sugar Hill Gang (feat. Scarface) - "South Side Zero" - "Ain't No Good" by S.O.W.A.R.E.D. (Sugarhillboyz) - and "The Word to Mo City" by by South Side Zero by Willys D. & (featuring join us in this episode of the podcast, is a tribute to the legendary hip hop group Ghettoboyz in honor of the late rapper Willy and Butthead. . & The Word To Mo City by the late Willie D and The Word to Meek Mill . . . is out now in the new album, The Word 2 Mo City. is available on all major streaming platforms. and will be out in the next few weeks, so be sure to check it out! on all of your favorite streaming platforms! is , will be so stay tuned in next week for the full version of this weeks episode of The GhettoBoyz and can't wait to have it on your local radio station on the next episode of
00:05:21.000People forgot that Al Gore's wife was trying to censor hip-hop.
00:05:25.000A lot of times people think of the right wing as being the people that try to censor speech, but back then it was Tipper Gore that was on this mission.
00:07:51.000The Gripp It On That Other Level album, right?
00:07:53.000So it was like a remake of that with two extra songs that Rick Rubin produced, and the other songs were like songs that he kind of just kind of remixed a little bit, but they had the same sound for the most.
00:08:08.000So sonically, they were pretty much the same, but there was two new songs added.
00:08:13.000So that's when we changed the name of the group to G-E-T-O, the spelling of the group, G-E-T-O from G-H-E-T-T-O. But yeah, you know, the funny thing was that, well, it wasn't funny at the time, but well, it still ain't funny.
00:08:29.000You know, this Geffen Records, David Geffen, he decided that he was not going to distribute our music, but he was cool with distributing Andrew Dice Clay and Guns N' Roses.
00:08:48.000And you know what type of music these guys were doing at that time.
00:09:18.000When you see Bushwick Bill with a patch over his eye in the hospital gurney, and you guys are rolling with him behind, and that's the album cover.
00:11:06.000He said that they were arguing this is Bill's version that they were arguing over something and he was mad so he pulled out the gun and he threatened to throw the baby downstairs and then He has the gun and his girlfriend is like,
00:14:18.000So, yeah, I think that was chief idea to put the props on, but he started rolling down the hallway and Cliff shot the picture and that's how you got the cover.
00:14:41.000So I have months in advance, and I'm trying to coordinate shit, and it took a couple weeks for me to find a date, and I got a hold of him again, but then he was sick.
00:17:06.000And he decided, I'm going to take the group in this direction.
00:17:09.000So when he gave him the ultimatum, Johnny C decided that he didn't want to do it.
00:17:16.000But he did perform on the original Do It Like a G.O. Jukebox decided that he wanted to do it, so the first day of going into the studio to create this new group and this new sound,
00:18:00.000But that happened, and that was water under the bridge as far as I was concerned.
00:18:10.000Jay comes to me one night, and I'm kind of skipping around the place because I'm trying to piece it together so you can make as best as I can for it to make sense.
00:18:20.000Okay, so Jay comes to my house one night.
00:20:23.000We go out to Jay's Ranch about an hour from my house.
00:20:28.000We get there and I think the first or second night Jukebox decided that he was going to quit the group.
00:20:36.000Now, from what I understood from the conversation was that he was having Kids, twins or something, or a baby or something, and this woman wanted him to get a real job.
00:21:05.000So it's me and Action, and Ready Ready is our DJ. So maybe like the second day or something, I'm in a studio, and Red is making music and stuff, and Bill is rapping Public Enemy's song.
00:24:36.000And those songs originally wasn't for him.
00:24:40.000That's why he's only on, like, I think we did maybe 12, yeah, we did 12 songs and he's only maybe, he's only like maybe five songs or something.
00:26:16.000And then he gives me this story, this sob story about this girl, this and this and that, or whatever.
00:26:21.000And then, so, maybe six months later, We tried again.
00:26:28.000And then something else came up, and then I cut him off after that.
00:26:32.000So fast forward, I seen him about maybe three years after that, and he tells me that he's working at some grocery store stocking groceries.
00:26:40.000And he got a baby with the girl, but she's gone now.
00:26:45.000So this is a cautionary tale, and this is the reason why I'm telling it, is because that could have been me.
00:26:53.000When I was Twenty-one, twenty-one, twenty-one, twenty-two.
00:27:01.000That was this girl I really, really liked, man.
00:27:04.000You know, I was dating her, and she made me work for it.
00:27:09.000You know, I had to work to get in the dough.
00:27:55.000I would unplug that phone and she would try to call me and couldn't reach me.
00:27:59.000So one day we'd get on the phone and she said, I think we need to break up because you don't ever have time for me.
00:28:08.000So I tried to explain it to her, but she wouldn't listen.
00:28:11.000But I was okay with it because I had made my mind up well before that, that I was not going to let anything get in the way of me becoming a successful rapper.
00:33:05.000Because children don't ask to come into this world.
00:33:09.000And you bring these children to this world and a world of insufficient, you know, living even in an insufficient love is even worse.
00:33:18.000Because if you got sufficient love, love will make you grind so hard that you'll get it.
00:33:25.000You know, because once you give life, life is bigger than yours.
00:33:28.000And them children you realize is more important than whatever it is that you want to do.
00:33:34.000And you look at, and really, when you put that energy into that and you let that be your driving force, you actually become a greater person.
00:33:46.000Because your motivation is bigger than you.
00:38:39.000I think part of it was my My will to leave my mark and then a lot of it was luck and then the rest of it was favor.
00:38:51.000Well, you know, I think it's amazing what you're doing because I think what happened with you with watching Good Times, you're, you know, I know you know this, but your social media presence and what you put out there, like, You're a man.
00:39:11.000And when you call people out on their bullshit, and you call men out on their weakness, you're setting examples that a lot of young guys are seeing.
00:39:22.000And they're looking at you as a guy who not just got out, left his mark, but evolved.
00:39:50.000Just because you're fucked up, just because you've done dumb shit or you were in a bad situation when you were younger, that doesn't define you.
00:40:40.000Because I was like, not that I didn't do anything wrong, but I felt like if I'm going to do something wrong, I trust me to not snitch me out.
00:41:34.000You know, if we don't go out there and kill something, not literally kill a person, but kill something, you know, so that we can, that we can nourish our bodies, right?
00:43:55.000I can see a lot of things happening from my own experience but other people's experience too and I personally do believe that experience is not the best teacher.
00:44:08.000Other people's experience is the best teacher because if I see you go out and if you walk around the corner And you come back, running back,
00:45:04.000If you stick your hand in the fire and it burn you, why the hell would I stick my hand in that fire and let it burn me unless I want to be burned?
00:45:14.000So that's why you know these these The gang thing, I could never get with it.
00:45:21.000I've never been a gang member, so I don't know what these guys be thinking.
00:45:25.000I don't know what they be thinking, man, but I just don't see an upside to it.
00:47:27.000And the reason why I say that is because the true part about it is that there are dudes that are my age that tell me, man, you was like a big brother to me.
00:47:37.000You know, because I've been knowing them since we were like teenagers or early 20s or whatever.
00:47:44.000And I've always been just a few steps ahead and, you know, seeing what was going on, you know, watching, you know.
00:47:52.000So, but I still had some things that I had to learn.
00:52:04.000They must pay because what you don't want to do is you don't want to be in a situation where people owe you money and look, man, it's an honest day's work for honest day's pay.
00:53:31.000But I'm a giant fan of people who overcome adversity because I think it's not just a testament to your character, but it's a lesson for other people.
00:56:46.000So you come on here and you see people having a good time and you see people are in good spirits and you want to destroy that and make them feel like you're a miserable lowdown ass.
00:57:06.000One of them had the audacity to come under a different name and say, oh, you're so Mr. Big Shot, you want to block somebody when they say something back?
00:57:13.000Look, bastard, you're not finna come up off my name.
00:57:17.000You're not finna come up, get on my platform, and handle me.
00:59:15.000I feel like if I have 100 units, that's all I have.
00:59:18.000If I'm concentrating on something that is the most important thing in my life, like having a conversation with my daughter, doing stand-up, something that's super important, that requires 100 units.
01:02:20.000The dude was talking reckless, so I checked out his profile, saw his little kids, saw him on there with his kids, and I was like, yeah, don't try to check me, check your baby.
01:02:36.000Check the DNA for your little ugly ass babies.
01:13:14.000Listen, I think to get it sanctioned in California, they had to agree to some stupid shit.
01:13:18.000I guarantee you, when that ding, when that bell goes off, that is going to be a fucking fight.
01:13:24.000Mike Tyson is not fighting any exhibitions.
01:13:27.000He's gonna come bobbing and weaving, swinging death with each hand, and Roy Jones Jr. is gonna be moving and throwing that nasty left hook and let the best man win.
01:14:25.000The distance that we are apart from each other on this table, I was going to make it closer because this new studio is a little more compact.
01:14:34.000But I had Mike in at the last podcast.
01:17:10.000I'm like, in order for me to do my best job of communicating with people, in case I'm across from some amped-up killer like Mike Tyson, it's not like I think he's going to hurt me, but you get nervous.
01:18:58.000He's got a real hard time getting fights, which is unfortunate because, you know, Shannon's still got talent.
01:19:05.000And he's been wanting to fight people for quite a while now.
01:19:09.000But, you know, with this, they're all, you know, it's this weird situation where I feel like a person should be able to do whatever they wanted to.
01:19:17.000You know, if people can go bungee jumping, people can ride bulls, people can do all sorts of crazy shit.
01:19:22.000Like, why are we trying to stop legends from fighting?
01:20:43.000But the thing about it is the only difference is that you go play basketball, maybe you have a sore back, your knees a little swollen or whatever.
01:20:52.000You go in there and get in that ring, it might not come out.
01:22:20.000I feel like with Mike Tyson, his glory days were probably beyond anything that anybody else other than him or maybe some other world champions could comprehend what that must have been like.
01:22:33.000You know, for people that didn't grow up during that era like you and I did, when, you know, Sports Illustrated just sent me the cover of Sports Illustrated back when he was 19. It said Kid Dynamite.
01:22:44.000Yeah, I saw you post that on Instagram.
01:22:59.000When he was coming up and he would be on television, like ABC Wide World of Sports, when he knocked out Marvis Frazier, he was a destroyer.
01:23:07.000It was like nothing we had ever seen before.
01:23:09.000Like, the heavyweight division had gotten boring.
01:23:11.000You know, there were some good fighters, you know, but it was boring in comparison to what Mike Tyson was doing.
01:24:51.000He's got a whole different kind of game.
01:24:54.000With that shoulder roll and his understanding of movement and where the punches are coming from, Floyd can stand right in front of you and still be safe.
01:25:01.000He's an unusual dude that doesn't get nearly enough respect.
01:25:05.000The average person that doesn't really totally understand boxing, when you're watching him, you're just hoping someone gets knocked out, those kind of people, you don't know what he's doing.
01:25:14.000But if you're a boxing fan and you watch him, you're like, Jesus Christ.
01:25:18.000He's been hit hard maybe four times in his whole fucking career.
01:25:51.000It's like talking tons of shit, showing you all his money, showing you all his cars, and then fucking up the guy you're hoping is going to beat him.
01:26:33.000I'm interested to see what he's going to do, because apparently he's going to come back.
01:26:36.000One of the things about Floyd is he loves to spend money.
01:26:39.000And no matter how much money you make, and he's made over a billion dollars in his career, a guy like that, even though he's 40 years old, he could burn through that, which just sounds crazy that you could burn through a billion dollars.
01:28:00.000When you consider the tax, I mean not the tax, but when you consider the lease and the insurance on those things, you know, you're talking about minimum.
01:30:37.000We've got to go back and get dudes that are washed up MMA fighters, you know, like, I mean, well, I won't say washed up, but got washed by a rival of yours in boxing already.
01:31:16.000Conor's a very athletic, very fast, and powerful guy.
01:31:19.000In the first couple of rounds, he's always dangerous.
01:31:22.000Just because he hits hard and he's fast, but he doesn't have the efficiency or the fluidity like a world champion boxer like a Floyd Mayweather or a Manny Pacquiao.
01:31:58.000Because I remember a lot of people thought that Floyd placed a bet that the fight would go to the 10th round because there were some crazy odds.
01:36:13.000George, before he made his comeback, I lived on Collinsworth Street, Collinsworth and East Tix Freeway in Houston, in these apartments called Collinsworth Apartments.
01:36:29.000And right across the street was an empty field where a gas station used to be.
01:36:35.000And George would be out there on Sundays preaching.
01:36:48.000And I used to look down, like look out of the window and I looked down and I'm like, I don't want to be like him.
01:36:58.000I remember when George was 36 and he weighed like 300 pounds and they announced that George Foreman was making a comeback and everybody laughed.
01:42:32.000And if you have a will, you can make shit possible that most people don't think is likely.
01:42:38.000And when a person like that does things like that, when they achieve these goals that don't seem possible, it changes your idea of what's possible.
01:44:09.000And when a person like that does those kind of things...
01:44:13.000You gain, like the people that are like me or anybody else that's tuning into his page, you gain inspiration from that that's like super valuable.
01:45:29.000They think that you are this person that's bulletproof.
01:45:34.000You don't have those moments of self-doubt.
01:45:37.000You know, sometimes that doubt creeps in because things aren't happening fast enough in your life, you know, how you want things to happen.
01:45:46.000And you can't control everything, even being as influential and having the resources that we have.
01:45:53.000You know, sometimes, you know, certain things are just out of your control.
01:46:54.000I'm just going to do it and see what happens.
01:46:57.000Because you said that, people are going to hear that and they're going to realize you don't have to be this bulletproof person to get shit done.
01:47:23.000I think it's like, it's kind of like, you know, courage being the, it's like that motivating factor that where you, you know, it's like having the courage to face your fears,
01:51:01.000But you have to have faith in the process.
01:51:04.000You have to understand that that's part of the process.
01:51:07.000Some people never internalize that those bad feelings are a part of the process.
01:51:12.000So when they try to achieve anything, whether it's physical or a business or whatever they're trying to do, there comes a time where it doesn't work out well and they feel bad.
01:51:19.000They feel uncomfortable and they back off.
01:52:04.000I go in, I did all of the exercising that I just talked about, hitting the bags, jump rope, and all this stuff, running miles and miles a day.
01:52:15.000Getting in the gym, I get into a sparring match the first time, first round.
01:52:26.000I'm sparring a guy who's a heavyweight.
01:52:29.000At the time, I'm fighting lightweight.
01:52:31.000I'm like 175. At the time, I wasn't really in shape.
01:52:36.000I was getting into shape, so I'm like 190. I'm at 190. This dude is like 225 or something.
01:52:44.000And he's taller than me, so he got size, reach, everything.
01:56:21.000At every punch, every run, every sweat, everything, every lift, push-up, I'm thinking, I'm going to get this motherfucker, I'm going to get him, I'm going to get him, I'm going to get him, I'm going to get him, everything.
01:56:34.000So, I'm calling him after a week and I'm telling him, hey man, you know, let's do it again.
02:00:25.000Anyway, man, you know, the dude tried to push it.
02:00:28.000He was trying to get a payday, but none of that, you know.
02:00:31.000So he ended up walking away with an empty bag and pride damaged and totally disrespected because I thought he was a real cat at first, you know, because I seen him get down before.
02:05:14.000That when people see someone strong or if someone just took a clip of you talking about what you want to do to trolls and why you attack them and destroy them.
02:06:55.000I'm going to talk about the establishment.
02:06:59.000I am going to call out the guy that everybody's afraid of, just like I fought the guy that everybody was afraid of when I was in high school, in middle school, in elementary.
02:07:09.000I will fight the neighborhood bully that everybody else is afraid of.
02:10:58.000So Everybody is not qualified to actually be in a romantic relationship because they don't have the emotional capacity to accept all of these different things.
02:11:12.000You have to be able to take your bitter with your sweet in a relationship.
02:11:17.000Listen, I've had relationships where I've been The guy that broke hearts and then I've had my heart broken.
02:11:28.000Now, if I've broken a heart already, if I get my heart broken, then if I'm a man, if I'm a real dude, if I'm true to myself, then I take my bitter with my sweet.
02:12:05.000And then, you know, we start getting out of character and doing all kinds of stuff.
02:12:09.000Well, some dudes be in character, but a lot of us, we get out of character because we can't accept the consequences that are a part of being in a relationship.
02:12:58.000I'm going to cry my heart out or I'm going to go over here and I'm going to drink my troubles away, drink myself to sleep or whatever, and I'm going to do it as long as I got to do it until I can just stop thinking about her or whatever.
02:13:10.000Maybe I'll go out and go to the club and try to come up on something at the club just to help me do it.
02:13:16.000I ain't talking about falling in love.
02:13:56.000But going back to what I was about to say about the speaking your mind thing and speaking against the establishment, Ghetto Boys being that type of group, me being that type of artist,
02:14:16.000Oftentimes, if you're in America and you attack the establishment, if you say something about the establishment and you're white, you're considered a rebel.
02:14:30.000If you do that and you're black, you're considered a racist or a radical, right?
02:14:45.000I'm going to keep on doing what I do, regardless of how anybody may look at it, because I'm responsible for what I say, not how you interpret it.
02:15:30.000Well, you know what I think would help you is one of the things we talked about when we were in Houston when I first met you.
02:15:35.000I'm like, you should do a podcast because people might have the wrong impression of you from little snippets of things like things you said today.
02:15:45.000They might have seen snippets and things here that, oh, Willie's angry.
02:15:50.000If they understood you more, if they heard you speak on things more, they would get a better understanding of the way you view the world and a better appreciation of your ethics and your morals, your values, and why you say the things you say and what you stand for.
02:16:05.000There's no better way to do that than something like this, like a podcast, like tonight.
02:16:51.000I'm putting everything together and hopefully, you know, the second quarter, by the second quarter, You know, of 2021. Oh, you've got a long-term plan.
02:18:44.000I'm a moron who learned a lot of things.
02:18:46.000It's a very rare thing, podcasting, where you have a platform where you could show who you really are with no one interfering.
02:18:59.000That's why I think you would shine at this.
02:19:01.000Because if you were doing anything else and you got a producer or an executive and then after this was over, the story about people going out and robbing cab drivers and killing them would be like, stop!
02:20:08.000One dude told me that his wife divorced him because she sent him to the store to buy something and he was supposed to come right back and he sat in the parking lot and listened to the show.
02:20:23.000Now, obviously he must have did something else, and that piled it on.
02:20:28.000That was the straw that broke the Campbell's back.
02:20:30.000But, yeah, he said his woman, that was it.
02:20:33.000The woman walked out on him after that.
02:23:09.000Me and my producer, you know, that I had working, we worked the show out and said, okay, these are the topics we're gonna talk about, blah, blah, blah.
02:23:18.000We get on the air and once they hear it, they go like, hey, you think you can talk about Monica?
02:27:18.000If you would go on those shows, they would talk to you beforehand, and they would ask you what you want to talk about, and you'd say, oh, I got this great story about going to a NASCAR race.
02:28:52.000When you see someone talking like they're talking like a president, they're using that thing with their thumb, and they're like, what we're going to do is build this and build that.
02:29:56.000Like, so, that trips me out when people say stuff like that, you know?
02:29:59.000Yeah, I hear that type of stuff from time to time, but it don't really bother me because these people really don't know me, right?
02:30:06.000But this is always going to be a certain percentage, like the hecklers, like the people that are the trolls.
02:30:10.000No matter what, you're never going to get rid of those, but the vast majority of people who tune into your Instagram page or your YouTube page...
02:30:42.000That's the beautiful thing about the internet.
02:30:44.000It's the beautiful thing about being able to do a podcast or a YouTube video or anything like that is the fact that this is the only time in history, in human history, I don't want to try to make this sound any bigger than it is, but this is the craziest moment in all of time,
02:31:02.000in all of the time where human beings have been communicating with each other.
02:31:06.000There's never been a moment where a person can just talk into a microphone and it will instantaneously reach millions and millions of people and literally change the way they think about a subject.
02:31:19.000There might be something that happens in the news And you will sit in your car and put your phone on and just express yourself.
02:33:27.000I mean, I think they probably would have if the blowback wouldn't have been so hard.
02:33:31.000I think they, you know, they do certain things, like certain controversial figures, they'll de-platform you or they'll throttle you or they'll, you know, the thing is like someone like YouTube, they could kind of control, like one of the things that happens they do is they'll stop things from trending.
02:38:46.000What he's doing by saying, I won this and I won this big in a landslide, all that crazy shit is undermining people's ideas of the democratic process.
02:38:55.000It's all those people that ride or die with him, that believe him no matter what, Whatever percentage of his fan base that is, those fucking people will never trust the legal system again.
02:39:05.000They'll never trust the judicial system again.
02:39:07.000They'll never trust the voting system again.
02:41:38.000You know, like, there's a such thing as freedom of speech.
02:41:41.000But when you create public chaos, and you create...
02:41:48.000When you're going out there and you're creating unrest, that's a problem.
02:41:55.000And look, how many people out here right now On either side, on either side, Democrat, Republican, whatever, liberal, conservative, whatever, how many people feel safer today than they did 10 years ago?
02:42:45.000They talk about the differences in people's groups, whether it's Republicans versus Democrats and ideologies, that social media is separating us and it's forcing people to fight.
02:42:59.000And these algorithms that they've created for YouTube and for Facebook, all these algorithms are set up so that people argue with each other.
02:43:07.000They're set up so that people get upset.
02:43:09.000And the people that created these algorithms, they're talking about it now after they've left these companies.
02:43:15.000And they're like, I had Tristan Harris on last week or a couple weeks ago.
02:43:19.000He was one of the guys who was there at Google at the time.
02:43:33.000Yeah, and look man, it's a major problem that I don't see being solved anytime soon because they've created an environment where you get incentives to create There are people out there that get paid to be race baiters.
02:46:03.000Then, along the way, it became all kinds of crazy shit that shapes the way human beings talk to each other and shapes the way we feel about the world.
02:46:38.000And they're realizing they're all addicted to their phones, they're addicted to these social media apps, and they're addicted to getting angry.
02:47:46.000There was a meeting in California of a bunch of executives, top executives, And these guys got together and decided that they didn't want the positive measures in hip-hop,
02:50:27.000Coming from that, for me, the reason why I'm really excited about being involved in it is because I was there while this meeting is going on and didn't know it.
02:50:40.000If I'd have known that meeting was going on and these people felt this way, I think I would have done something.
02:50:49.000I don't know what exactly, but I probably would have been more I probably would have been more cognitive of my message, what I was going to say and how it was being received.
02:51:39.000It's not like today where you could just get that word out.
02:51:41.000And, you know, the major stage networks, they wouldn't have carried it, you know?
02:51:43.000They would have been able to stroke the check because they played a part in it, too.
02:51:48.000So they definitely wouldn't have spoke on it.
02:51:52.000Yeah, but it's dirty, man, because you see now, you see what happened to hip-hop, where you see all this gun talk, and you turn on, you see these videos, and every video, somebody got a gun, they waving guns, and even on social media,
02:52:08.000they waving guns, you know, just sitting in the kitchen, sitting on the bed, you know, just waving guns and talking about killing each other.
02:52:19.000And then you see, when the killings happen, I mean, we got to take responsibility.
02:52:26.000I think everybody, we're at a point like we don't have a choice.
02:52:31.000And so anybody that may have even been involved in the past and they got a conscience or they think that they want an opportunity to get right, make it right, They can't be worried about what somebody's saying.
02:52:47.000Well, you did this and what about you?
02:54:02.000It was part of the conspiracy to destroy hip-hop, to kill the message in the music.
02:54:09.000If we let them mumble and just say anything, ha ha ha ha ha, the people that are pulling the strings, just let them come on and say anything.
02:54:16.000So they're promoting that, and they can profit off that, and then hip-hop has no message now.
02:54:20.000Because, look, if they couldn't profit off of it, then they would say, all right, okay, it ain't working.
02:56:27.000And people comparing them to Tupac, out of all people, Yeah.
02:56:32.000The internet is this sort of Wild West when it comes to distribution.
02:56:39.000Like, if you are an artist and you have something that people find that's good and you could put it out on the internet, the way you do a podcast, you can avoid a lot of these executives, can't you?
02:56:53.000I always wondered, like, what value do executives have today?
02:56:57.000Well, that's where Toby Nguigwe comes in.
02:59:16.000And good for you also, because it's important, man, when you have a vision, you got something that works and people see that vision and they say, look, man, we like you.