Emily Harrington is the first woman to scale El Capitan via its notoriously difficult Golden Gate Route. She did it in less than 24 hours, and she did it without a rope. She talks about how she got there, and what it's like living on the wall. She also tells us about the time she almost died trying to climb the route, and how she managed to get back to the base of the mountain after the fall. She's a friend of mine, and I think she's one of the most amazing people I've ever met. She's also a rock star in the rock climbing world, and you should know who she is if you haven't heard her story. Emily is a rock climber and rock star climber. She has been in the past and she's in the future. And she does it all with a smile on her face and aplomb on her shoulders. Check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience is a podcast by day, for by night, all day. It's a show about rock climbing. It's not your average rock climbing podcast, it's a wild, wild adventure. In this episode, we talk about Emily Harrington's climb of the Golden Gate route and how it's possible to do it in under 24 hours. We also talk about how you can do it, and why you should do it better than you do it. Thank you for listening, Emily! You rock, baby you rock. Cheers, Joe Rogans. - From: Emily Harrington, From: Music by: John Rocha, and Mike McClarty Thank You, Caitlin Durante (Music by: Jeff Perla & John Rodeo ) Thanks, Sarah Meegan ( ) (Alyssa) (Recorded in Los Angeles, Jr.) (Selling This Song) And Thank You For Coming To Me Out On This Episode And This Is My Name? (Thank You, My Back And I'm So Much More Than This Is A Good Place, And I'll See You, I'll Hear It In This And I Can Hear It And I Say This And This And It's So Much So Much And I Love You, Too Here And I Also Can See It And Also I Can Say It And It Will Hear It & I Can See That And I Will See It In My Face And It Also Hear It)
00:01:41.000So essentially, El Cap is this giant cliff face.
00:01:45.000And there's hundreds of routes up El Cap, different pathways you can take.
00:01:51.000And right now, there's currently only 15 ways to get up it via free climbing.
00:01:56.000Free climbing being using only your hands and feet to ascend and a rope in case you fall.
00:02:02.000And I chose The route called Golden Gate, which is more difficult than the route Free Rider, which people are very familiar with because that's the route that Alex Honnold free soloed, meaning he climbed it without a rope.
00:02:43.000Yeah, and that's actually the second time I hit my head.
00:02:46.000uh trying to trying to do this uh last year I had a really bad fall um wound up in the hospital full concussion the whole thing this time it was slightly less uh less serious but maybe more dramatic because it happened like way higher up on the wall how high were you up um 2800 feet I'd say like almost to the top It was very dramatic.
00:04:01.000Yeah, we use like, we use wag bags or like, you know, little like plastic bags and you like go in that bag and then you put it in another bag and...
00:05:00.000Humans are really remarkable in their ability to adapt to things.
00:05:05.000And so it's pretty cool how, yeah, it's really scary at first, but then the more you do it, the more you're just like, okay, well, this is kind of...
00:05:13.000When you're sleeping in that thing, are you fully harnessed in and strapped in?
00:05:17.000You sleep in a harness, and you just usually have a loose rope or sling or something attached to the anchor point.
00:05:26.000So if you're one of those people that rolls out of bed at night, then you don't fall to your death.
00:06:57.000Climbing is definitely growing in popularity, but it definitely used to be like a little bit, like a small little community, and I think we still feel that way.
00:07:04.000Is there a danger in the climbing world, or not a danger, a concern, I should say, of people who are seeing people like Alex Honnold and yourself become famous and get all this attention From these very dangerous climbs and they want to perhaps accelerate their progress and jump right in and try to do some really risky things.
00:07:31.000I mean, I could see that being a danger, especially with what Alex does, climbing without a rope.
00:07:38.000I would still argue that what I do is a relatively safe form of climbing.
00:07:49.000Free climbing El Cap in a day, what I just did, I definitely cut some corners and took more risk.
00:07:57.000But that's an achievement that not many people have done or really strive to do.
00:08:03.000And so I think for the most part, climbing is actually a very controlled, very safe activity, and you can make it as dangerous as you want it to be.
00:08:15.000So if you're a person like Alex is deciding, you know, he maps these routes, he does them with ropes, and then he's like, I can do this.
00:08:23.000Yes, and Alex is so unique in a way and I think anyone that watches the movie Free Solo, anyone that talks to Alex understands that what he does is, it's so well thought out and it's so well planned and every single decision he makes is very calculated.
00:08:43.000And I think that's a testament to what climbing is truly about.
00:08:50.000We're not out to go feel an adrenaline rush when we go climbing.
00:08:55.000If you're feeling adrenaline, it essentially means you messed up.
00:08:59.000Climbing is very much more about the movement and the challenge and the mental challenge of all of it than going out and trying to get a thrill.
00:13:13.000I do try to train so that I am peaking at a certain time.
00:13:19.000It's a little bit experimental though, honestly.
00:13:21.000I've been working towards this goal in particular for many years, really experimenting with how to train for it because it does require such a variety of skills.
00:13:32.000You need the strength and endurance and I think?
00:13:54.000A lot of it was just trial and error for me, but I did spend a lot of time in the gym training on plastic.
00:13:59.000And then I would supplement that with really long trail runs and big days in the Eastern Sierra, like climbing bigger routes.
00:14:06.000And then also there's a mental component.
00:14:08.000So I had to sort of get my head back, especially after my accident last year.
00:14:12.000I had to get my head back in the game and feel comfortable leading on run-out terrain with big fall potential again.
00:16:32.000I think it just depletes your ability to have pure power.
00:16:35.000If you're doing a weightlifting workout, it seems like you're not supposed to go run a few miles before you try to bench press your hardest.
00:16:47.000Yeah, is there two schools of thought on that?
00:16:49.000Because it seems like another school of thought would be if you can condition your body to run and climb, you'll have a stronger body than one that just climbs.
00:17:08.000So you basically are self-trained in that sense, where you don't have someone who sets a schedule aside for you, like today you're going to lift weights, today you're going to run.
00:18:51.000I've actually played around a little bit with heart rate monitors.
00:18:54.000A lot of times when I'm like resting on the wall, that's something I'm really focused on.
00:18:59.000Like a lot of times when you're climbing and you get really tired, a lot of times you'll feel it in your forearms, they'll get really like We call it pumped.
00:19:07.000There's a lot of lactic acid buildup, and that causes you to panic in a way, get a little bit of tunnel vision, and essentially you'll just fall.
00:19:16.000A lot of times what I focus on when I'm in that place is trying to lower my heart rate very consciously.
00:19:23.000I've used a heart rate monitor to do that, but I don't do it while I'm climbing anymore.
00:19:28.000It's more just me recognizing that that's what needs to happen and putting effort into lowering my heart rate.
00:20:03.000I'm planning on starting to do that, but because I had this project sort of looming the last few months, I didn't really want to change my approach because I thought it might mess with me psychologically.
00:20:16.000Right, if you wake up and you say, oh my god, I'm not that recovered.
00:20:19.000Yeah, and you're like, oh no, I'm not recovered.
00:20:40.000I'm kind of like going back into maybe I need to start tracking my sleep a little bit more because I'm a notoriously bad sleeper.
00:20:48.000Because I would imagine, the reason why I'm asking all these questions about training is because I would imagine that when you're doing something that's literally, I know you're saying it's relatively safe, but for a person like me who's a big chicken shit, it's not relatively safe, it seems quite insane, and I would imagine you would want every single edge.
00:21:07.000So I would imagine that if I was going to do something like that, I would want to know exactly how my workouts are affecting my body.
00:21:15.000Like, okay, I lifted weights this day, and then the next day I felt pretty beat up.
00:21:24.000So now this day I'm going to run, or this day I'm going to do fingerboard exercises.
00:21:29.000I would imagine that There's so much mindfuckery going on when you're going to do something that difficult that you want to put all these pieces in place the best way possible.
00:22:19.000I think it messes with me a little bit.
00:22:22.000And so to a certain extent, I'm a little more focused on my own mental state and my own psychology and sort of trying to just figure out how to have confidence up there.
00:23:25.000And it just shows how bizarre his obsession with hiking and camping and climbing was.
00:23:35.000I mean, he just wanted to get out there and climb all these different peaks and all these different mountains and all these different paths and recorded everything.
00:23:47.000Like super meticulously had boxes and boxes of notes and he would go over the notes and show people routes and all the different things that he learned while he was doing it.
00:23:58.000I am just fascinated by people that have a singular obsession like that and carry it for their entire life.
00:24:06.000Yeah, I mean I think climbing for me, I personally think climbing is very easy to become obsessed with because there's so many different facets to experience it in.
00:24:15.000Like you can go to the climbing gym and just play around on some plastic holds or you can work towards climbing something like Mount Everest and then like everything in the middle.
00:25:32.000I mean, I think for me, climbing is my passion and it is essentially my vehicle for experiencing the wide spectrum of emotions that we all have.
00:25:48.000It's my vehicle for exploring achievement and success and ego and confidence.
00:25:54.000And, you know, I think you could really, like, use anything in order to explore those emotions.
00:26:00.000But everyone, I think, in some way is trying to find what their vehicle is to explore those emotions.
00:26:07.000And for me, it truly is climbing, like, up there on LCAP. Like, I went through the whole spectrum of emotions the whole day, just up and down in, like, the most extreme ways possible.
00:26:17.000When you have these moments where things don't go well, where you have a fall or when you had your concussion and you got really banged up, Overcoming those things, what is that like?
00:26:29.000Because I would imagine that it's such a scary thing to do.
00:26:33.000Well, maybe for me, I don't know as much for you, but I'm watching pictures of you.
00:28:56.000And I could have waited, but I didn't.
00:28:59.000So I was climbing and I was like kind of traversing.
00:29:03.000And so I was trying to do this move and I rushed it and I slipped and I fell.
00:29:08.000But I had like a piece of gear down and to my right.
00:29:12.000And I just didn't anticipate the physics of how I was going to fall, and I kind of fell sideways, and I couldn't get my feet out in front of me in time.
00:29:23.000It was kind of like my head just bounces off the wall like a basketball.
00:29:29.000And I must have just hit like a crystal or something with my forehead like some sort of something sticking out of the rock and there was just blood everywhere like head wounds they just you know they bleed they bleed a lot and so there was a lot of blood and I lowered down and I was super bummed it was just like my confidence was sort of shattered like I could I just kept thinking back to last year I was like oh no my attempts over everything was going so well like This sucks.
00:29:56.000And I was letting myself go to that place of doubt and that place of like, it's over.
00:31:34.000It's a little bit nuanced because the way we were climbing, we were doing something called simul climbing.
00:31:40.000Essentially, I was tied onto the top of the rope, he was tied onto the bottom of the rope, and we were climbing together up the wall simultaneously in order to save time.
00:31:48.000And it's actually, it is a more dangerous form of climbing than just one person climbing while the other person belays them, and then I would stop and bring him up, and then we'd go on from there.
00:32:25.000Yeah, I have a filmer who's making like a movie about me and he was filming because he was there filming that attempt and he was filming Alex as Alex was like sitting on the ground getting ready.
00:35:30.000When you watch the footage of the fall and you see yourself hit the wall and just the impact and what happened to you, does that obviously didn't deter you from doing anything,
00:35:46.000but has it changed the way you approach climbing?
00:35:52.000I think the reason that it was a little bit easier for me to overcome that hurdle was because it was really obvious what had gone wrong.
00:36:00.000And it was really obvious that what had gone wrong was within my control.
00:36:04.000I simply had not placed enough protection for the difficulty of the route.
00:36:10.000It was an easy, easy climbing for me, but it was really dark, it was cold, it was slippery, and I was like, I was just going too fast and not placing enough gear.
00:36:20.000So, but can you explain that to people?
00:39:18.000But, you know, I think he's the type of person that, you know, going back to, like, talking about heart rate, like, I bet when he's in those types of situations, like, he's so relaxed, and his heart rate is so low, and he's just, he's a different, I think he's truly unique.
00:39:34.000I think that he just has a different brain chemistry than a lot of us in terms of how he feels fear and how he can maintain that composure in a very dangerous situation.
00:39:48.000Well, he's remarkably calm all the time.
00:40:30.000I mean, I guess when you're around people that are, if you're doing a thing and you're around people that are excellent at that thing, it's contagious or at least inspirational.
00:43:03.000And before that, I was doing a lot of competitions and You know, had sponsors and stuff like that, but I was also in school and then I went to university and I wanted to be a lawyer actually.
00:43:15.000So I graduated from the University of Colorado in Boulder and I was gonna like study for the LSAT and that's when the North Face approached me and I was like okay well I'll try this for a little while and see how it goes.
00:43:29.000Like it's a cool opportunity to travel and see the world and keep climbing and then I just didn't Were you hesitant?
00:45:58.000I think the people that think they deserve success, the people that think they're awesome, I think you don't have as much nervousness or at least doubt which forces you to work harder.
00:46:11.000I think there's real value in feeling fake.
00:46:49.000Like admitting that you struggle with self-confidence and like imposter syndrome and feeling like you're not good enough all the time is...
00:47:31.000It's very valuable when you can relate, like, genuine anxiety and fears and things to people because you are doing an extraordinary thing with your life.
00:47:43.000I mean, how many professional rock climbers are there?
00:48:26.000How do they do it as an Olympic sport?
00:48:28.000They have a particular path that you have to try to climb up?
00:48:31.000So it's three disciplines because it's a new sport.
00:48:35.000They've essentially combined the three main disciplines of competition climbing into one.
00:48:40.000So there's one medal and they combine the scores and they have lead climbing, which is with a rope, but the roots are longer, like say, I don't know, 50 feet or so.
00:48:51.000So it's sort of like an endurance challenge.
00:48:53.000And it's like they set a path and it's meant to be difficult.
00:57:22.000And eating disorders is definitely a thing in climbing.
00:57:27.000Yeah, that's what I was going to get to.
00:57:28.000And I suffered from it when I was younger, when I was heavily involved in competitions.
00:57:33.000And it's like once you start to experience a little bit of success from losing weight, there's so much more incentive to just keep going down that road.
00:57:42.000And I think it's actually a pretty dangerous road, and it's something that we're...
00:57:46.000Climbers are starting to talk about more, which I think is super good and super healthy, especially with the growth of climbing competitions and with the growth of youth becoming more interested in climbing.
00:59:29.000Yeah, I think it's complicated because then I think, yeah, society, especially as a woman, you kind of tie your self-worth to it and then you tie like your, yeah, your value to society to it.
00:59:38.000And then if you bring in the athletic side, it's like a lot to handle.
01:01:02.000And that's one of the things that's been...
01:01:04.000There's a lot of things that I actually don't like about social media, but that's one thing that I've really appreciated is women, like you're talking about, sharing those things and being like, yeah, this is who I am.
01:01:31.000But I just admired that she put that number out there.
01:01:34.000She showed it and she was like, look, this is who I am.
01:01:37.000And for a lot of people, that's important because there's probably people that are struggling with their own weight and they see her and they go, oh...
01:01:46.000Okay, I'm going to take a little of that.
01:01:49.000I'm going to adopt a little bit of that attitude.
01:06:41.000Yeah, I mean, I guess it makes sense, but your brain, when you're calculating all these different maneuvers and different places that your opponent can move his pieces, you're just constantly...
01:07:22.000So I'm one of those people like I can I can almost remember every move of like the Golden Gate.
01:07:32.000Then I'll like go, I'll like lay in bed at night and like go through all the moves over and over and over again, almost to a fault, you know, like, I can remember things really well.
01:07:40.000And I'll go over sequences and I'll, I'll lay down and I'll think about myself climbing, like executing these sequences really perfectly.
01:07:49.000So, you know where all the handholds are, where the footholds are?
01:07:53.000You know what freaks me out about that stuff?
01:07:54.000It's like, don't those break off sometimes?
01:08:27.000So I was looking at some of the things that Alex was holding onto when he was free soloing, and I'm like, what are you doing?
01:08:33.000That's not holding your body weight, man.
01:08:35.000Yeah, that rock is pretty solid, though, and a lot of people climb that route, and it's been there for, you know, forever.
01:08:44.000And when you're imagining it in your head, do you sit yourself down and go through the whole path?
01:08:51.000Because the path takes 21 hours to do, so you can't really go through the whole thing.
01:08:55.000Yeah, I mean, I skip over some of the easy parts, but the hard parts I have really ingrained in my brain.
01:09:01.000To the point where I think it kind of hinders me sometimes because I'll go through the moves and then I'll go through all the things that can go wrong.
01:09:09.000And then that kind of messes with me a little bit.
01:10:48.000Yeah, it's super important and it's important because both of us go away on separate trips sometimes and instead of the other person just sitting at home kind of worrying and stressing out, we kind of understand what the other person is going through.
01:11:06.000It feels like we have a really symbiotic relationship in that way because we really do understand what the other person does.
01:11:23.000My female friends that are comedians have the sort of same attitude about normies, what they call normies, like some normal person who doesn't do comedy.
01:12:36.000I have a very intense love-hate relationship with Mount Everest.
01:12:40.000It is like, I was very fortunate to be able to go on an expedition to climb Mount Everest, and that's where I met Adrian, and My life sort of changed directions after that.
01:12:51.000But that said, he goes back to Everest every single year to guide or for his own personal projects or whatever that may be because he guides Everest every year.
01:13:03.000And so for me, it's like Everest just became a part of my everyday life.
01:13:10.000You're always planning for the next expedition or on the next expedition or thinking about the expedition.
01:13:15.000And so it just kind of took over in a way for a few years there and I got really, really tired of it.
01:13:22.000How many times have you climbed Everest?
01:18:37.000K2 is the second highest, but K2 is considered significantly more technical and dangerous than Everest.
01:18:44.000Actually, there's a lot of mountains that are considered more difficult and dangerous than Mount Everest.
01:18:51.000And when a guy decides, like, hey, you know, I want to show off and be the man who climbs Mount Everest in my neighborhood, do they have a requirement, like how much they have to train for something like that?
01:19:02.000Because I know of rich people that are not really climbers that have climbed Everest.
01:19:07.000Yeah, so Everest is a really interesting one because Everest has become very commercialized, so there's a lot of companies that guide Mount Everest, including Adrian's company.
01:22:42.000But you don't realize, here it is, Hoff has set the world record for the longest time in direct full-body contact with ice a total of 16 times, including 1 hour, 42 minutes, and 22 seconds on the 23rd of January, 1 hour, 44 minutes.
01:24:33.000Like, I had Dr. Rhonda Patrick, and I took her to a cryotherapy place in Woodland Hills back when we were in L.A. And she had never done it before, but she was aware of the hormetic effects.
01:24:43.000And so, as a doctor, she was really interested in, as a clinical researcher, interested in, like, what it felt like for her body.
01:24:56.000What a good person to bring to a cryotherapy place.
01:24:59.000Like someone who actually understands the physiological benefits and is experiencing them and then relaying them to you as she's experiencing them.
01:27:55.000It conveys an additional benefit that's similar to continuing a workout.
01:28:01.000So increase in red blood cells and increase that almost mimics a low level of blood doping.
01:28:10.000So you get an increased benefit in your cardiovascular capability and then you also get the heat shock proteins that reduce inflammation so you feel really good.
01:28:22.000So you can do that right after training, but they don't recommend ice baths or cryo.
01:28:26.000They used to think you should do it right afterwards, but now they don't think so.
01:28:29.000They think you should wait a couple hours, especially strength training.
01:29:14.000And we had these kiddie pools with ice in them, and we all had to get in and sing Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.
01:29:20.000Well, there's a thing that you can get now that we're going to get here for the studio that is an ice bath, but you don't have to add ice to it.
01:29:29.000It's a machine, and the machine chills the water right to the point where it would freeze.
01:29:35.000And so you get to right about 33, 34 degrees, and then you climb in this ridiculously cold water.
01:29:44.000And everybody says that that's a better option, because then you don't have to go to a gas station and buy a bunch of bags of ice every time you do it.
01:33:42.000I do yoga by myself in front of the screen.
01:33:46.000But I also don't like going to classes because they're just too long and I don't think I have the attention span sometimes for a full class.
01:33:54.000So in order to get myself to do it, I'll log into this website and I'll be like, I'm going to do 15 minutes of hip stretches and I'll just do that.
01:34:02.000And that's how I get myself to do it because otherwise I just, I'm just not good at sticking with it.
01:36:16.000And it comes with a workout, a chart that shows all the different various shoulder workouts.
01:36:25.000But you do them so if it's on a door or a wall, you would put one on one side of the doorway and one on the other side so they cross this way.
01:36:36.000And so you do your I's, Y's, and T's with that.
01:36:39.000I do these where I pull back and then lift up.
01:36:43.000There's all these, but it's really cool because it has a chart that comes with it that shows all the various exercises and what it targets.
01:36:51.000And if you just make your way down, it's specifically designed to strengthen shoulders.
01:38:11.000What I was asking about being a professional athlete, I mean, obviously, I know a lot of professional athletes from working in the UFC, but the instability of...
01:39:08.000The way that the job of a professional athlete has sort of morphed into so much more than just performing at your sport, if that makes sense.
01:39:18.000If you're really actively engaged in social media, and if you're a good storyteller, and if you're a good speaker, there's a lot of other avenues you can take.
01:39:29.000For instance, if you do get injured, it's also temporary, right?
01:39:35.000And then with climbing, it doesn't just stop at the Olympics, for example.
01:41:47.000He went to my parents' house and got all this...
01:41:50.000Old footage from my dad, you know, like from the cassette tapes and just, I don't know what they call when they like digitize it all.
01:41:59.000And yeah, so I was watching like all this stuff from when I was a baby to like when I, my dad built a climbing wall in my garage and surprised me with it, which I completely forgot that even happened.
01:42:10.000And he just like showed it to me and I was like, oh my gosh, this is, it was trippy for sure.
01:43:21.000Kind of how the history of climbing in Yosemite began is with like the dirtbags, the people who went there and all they did was, that's all they wanted to do was climb.
01:43:29.000And so they would just like go scrounge for food at the cafeteria and like sleep out in the forest and just go climbing and do whatever they could to climb.
01:43:39.000For the average person that wants stability in their life and wants security and wants a 401k plan and wants a mortgage and all the things, the trappings of modern culture to see someone who's so completely rebellious that they literally want to sleep in the forest and climb mountains.
01:44:43.000Yeah, because I've made it work and I've worked the system, again, imposter syndrome, but I've worked the system to get to a point where I'm actually making a living and managing.
01:45:15.000I would imagine, like any industry, it's filled with people who try to sort of malign and misrepresent who other people are and they get jealous and they get petty.
01:45:28.000Yeah, I mean, I think it's mostly, like, social media.
01:45:31.000Like, the one thing I learned through all of this the last few weeks were a little bit of a whirlwind.
01:45:36.000Just because this whole thing went a little bit bigger than I thought it would.
01:45:40.000So, yeah, I learned to, like, not ever log into Twitter.
01:45:48.000Twitter's like the worst one for some reason.
01:48:55.000The problem with any kind of interaction with people on social media is that you can kind of change how you behave so that you, like, mitigate the amount of hate you get or you mitigate the amount of jealousy or mitigate the amount of pettiness.
01:49:23.000There's definitely some pros in reading criticism because you can apply it to yourself and learn whether it's accurate and also realize, oh, this is a person that's really sad and they're trying to hurt all these other people.
01:49:36.000So you can sort of take pity on them and it gives you a better understanding of just human psychology in general.
01:49:43.000But it can also change the way you express yourself.
01:50:44.000I don't know how it happened, but essentially the domino effect of someone changed the wording of what I did and said that I was the first woman to free climb El Cap in a day, which is a gross misunderstanding because the first person to free climb El Cap in a day was a woman,
01:51:00.000and her name is Lynn Hill, and she did it in 1994. And in climbing, that is like...
01:51:05.000One of the most historic, groundbreaking achievements in climbing's history.
01:51:11.000Like, Lynn Hill is an absolute legend that everyone knows who she is.
01:51:14.000And so, you know, in a way, like, I got accused of, like, erasing history by, like, claiming to be the first woman.
01:51:29.000But for me, it was a little bit mortifying because I... I grew up in the same town as Lynn.
01:51:35.000I knew her growing up and she was an absolute hero of mine.
01:51:40.000And I knew of her achievement as like, there's not that many sporting achievements that are that groundbreaking and that pioneering that are owned by a woman.
01:51:50.000She did this before any human thought it was possible.
01:51:54.000And for me, coming into climbing as a 10-year-old, I recognized that immediately and saw climbing as a space for women and a space where women could really excel.
01:52:03.000And so, you know, managing to free climb El Cap in a day, for me, was personally very important, but also I just felt so much pride because I got to kind of do something that Lynn did 26 years ago.
01:53:04.000Lynn free climbed to the nose, which is a different route.
01:53:07.000And then free climbing El Cap in a day is just, in a day, is the important part because it's an achievement that, like, I think only maybe like 25 people have done in history and only four women.
01:53:21.000And it's something, it's like the epitome of, like, big wall free climbing.
01:53:51.000Yeah, and to be clear, I wasn't that bummed about it, but I was sort of like, oh, okay, this is how it goes.
01:53:56.000I'm getting a lot of attention, and I'm going to have to deal with a little bit of negativity, because that's just how the world works, essentially.
01:54:02.000Has that been cleared up of people kind of understanding that this wasn't you?
01:54:06.000I think people have cleared that up, for sure.
01:54:08.000I mean, there's definitely a little bit of like, oh, you should have been more on top of things, but...
01:54:12.000You know, that's just people not understanding how this stuff works.
01:54:16.000You don't even know how many articles are being written about you.
01:56:51.000That of all the things that people are doing online all over the world, that this guy just chilling on a skateboard with a bottle of cranberry juice...
01:57:18.000I think it's just, like, a combination of, like, where we are as a society, like, what we're kind of, like, craving, and if someone, like, provides that with or without knowing it.
01:59:26.000Yeah, to just label each other the other side as the enemy no matter what.
01:59:29.000And the weird thing to me is I know people personally that used to be like heavy-duty left-wing and they would argue like vehemently and passionately against the right-wing.
02:04:54.000Yeah, well, and I think that's one of the reasons why people are so depressed.
02:04:59.000I don't think it's a natural environment for any biological creature, and not for us.
02:05:05.000Even though we've created these environments, and we've made them really cool, and made some nice houses, and great big TVs, and cool shit to do inside the house...
02:05:14.000I don't think it resonates with our actual biology.
02:05:17.000I think our bodies have evolved over millions of years to be experiencing all sorts of things that are a part of the wilderness and nature.
02:05:27.000The sun and the wind and trees and these visual cues, seeing mountains.
02:06:04.000Human beings evolved to experience these things.
02:06:08.000And when you see these beautiful, gorgeous, lush environments, generally speaking, it means like habitat where animals live and where you can find food and where there's going to be fresh, clean water.
02:09:47.000I hope that people also realize that they've been, for a lot of people, they've been dedicated themselves to something that can be taken away from them.
02:09:56.000And to just recognize that this whole experience that we have...
02:10:02.000On this planet is very temporary and so many people are chasing material things and chasing a position in the company and then the company goes away and then you realize like oh well this is all fragile and I thought it was permanent and it gives you an opportunity even though it sucks It does give you an opportunity to sort of readdress how you interface with life and change what's important to you and change where your priorities are and change just maybe your path forward and recognize