The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1584

00:00:03.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:16.000 What's up, buddy?

00:00:17.000 Dude, you're one of the reasons why I'm here.

00:00:19.000 I remember you told me multiple years ago.

00:00:21.000 How many years ago did you move here?

00:00:23.000 I moved here seven years ago.

00:00:24.000 And you were telling me how fucking great it is.

00:00:27.000 I remember running into you.

00:00:28.000 You're like, dude, it's fucking great.

00:00:29.000 I love it.

00:00:30.000 I'm like, man.

00:00:31.000 You said my wife would never move there.

00:00:33.000 That's what you said.

00:00:35.000 We were at the Commons at Marmalade.

00:00:37.000 Yeah, in Calabasas.

00:00:38.000 Yeah.

00:00:39.000 Well, dude, I've known you for, what, fucking 20 years?

00:00:43.000 Yeah.

00:00:43.000 I've probably met you in like 2000-ish or something like that?

00:00:47.000 Maybe before.

00:00:49.000 The day you walked into John Jock's, I was on the mat and we were rolling and you came walking in and And I was a fan of your first show you ever did.

00:00:58.000 And I saw you and I go, oh shit, that's Joe Rogan.

00:01:00.000 And my friend says, who's that?

00:01:02.000 I go, he's on a show.

00:01:03.000 He's on news radio.

00:01:04.000 And he goes, I don't know who that is.

00:01:06.000 And I go, he's the...

00:01:07.000 Handyman.

00:01:09.000 Handyman.

00:01:09.000 He's a mechanic.

00:01:10.000 He's always running around with this toolbox.

00:01:12.000 He goes, I don't know who he is.

00:01:13.000 And I go, okay, well...

00:01:14.000 And then that was the first time I ever saw you, and then you came in.

00:01:16.000 That's like 98, dude.

00:01:17.000 Yeah, that was about...

00:01:19.000 Yeah, it was a white belt.

00:01:20.000 Yeah.

00:01:21.000 John Jock Spot and Tarzana.

00:01:23.000 Yeah.

00:01:23.000 I saw the...

00:01:25.000 I was working at Warner Brothers Tiny Toon Adventures, and I was a...

00:01:32.000 I was a PA, production assistant at that time.

00:01:34.000 It was the first job I ever had in LA. And that guy says, hey, we're going to have a party tonight.

00:01:39.000 We're going to watch these fights.

00:01:40.000 They're like cock fights.

00:01:41.000 Come on over and let's watch them.

00:01:42.000 And I went over to his house and I was literally hypnotized watching Hoist Gracie do what he did.

00:01:47.000 I couldn't believe it.

00:01:48.000 Everybody else was talking.

00:01:49.000 Was this like 93?

00:01:51.000 Yeah.

00:01:51.000 The first day of the UFC? The first UFC. It was the first one.

00:01:55.000 Wow, so you watched the first one live.

00:01:58.000 Yeah, I saw it at a party that I was not supposed to be at, and nobody else was paying attention to this.

00:02:04.000 It was just on.

00:02:05.000 It was like two other guys watching it.

00:02:06.000 And I'm watching this going, I gotta do that.

00:02:10.000 It was speaking to me in a way I've never...

00:02:13.000 Art speaks to me, and I was watching it.

00:02:15.000 And the next day...

00:02:17.000 I find Torrance, Gracie Academy, because they kept saying Torrance, Gracie, and I knew where Torrance was.

00:02:22.000 So I was living in Studio City in the valley.

00:02:27.000 I drove.

00:02:27.000 I had a Honda Prelude.

00:02:28.000 I drove all the way on the 405, the worst freeway in the world, and it took me about three hours to get down there on a Saturday morning.

00:02:34.000 And I walked into that place and they were done, but I could smell all that sweat and humidity and nastiness.

00:02:40.000 And I was like, oh God, this is great.

00:02:42.000 I walked in and they were very nice to me, but there was like these dudes and they looked so intimidating and they were just ripped up and clawed up and dripping wet.

00:02:51.000 This wasn't the pretty days where everybody has rash guards and designer geese.

00:02:54.000 This was like Krugans geese.

00:02:57.000 They were yellowed and nasty smelling and there was no...

00:03:02.000 There was chest hair in your mouth.

00:03:04.000 I remember Krugans.

00:03:05.000 And they came walking out and I was just like, I felt, man, I felt like a little bitch.

00:03:09.000 I was just looking at him going like, I want to be you.

00:03:12.000 And he goes, where are you from, you know?

00:03:14.000 And I go, oh, the valley.

00:03:15.000 The valley?

00:03:16.000 This is too far, my friend.

00:03:18.000 And he goes, my cousin John Jack is in the valley.

00:03:20.000 The Machados go there.

00:03:22.000 And I was kind of like struck in awe by everything, right?

00:03:26.000 So I thought, okay, I'll go to the valley, you know?

00:03:29.000 And there was no internet.

00:03:30.000 Understand, there's no internet.

00:03:31.000 You can't just Google.

00:03:32.000 So I got the Thomas Guide out, and I started looking around, and I would ask people.

00:03:37.000 And so nobody knew the answer to this, because remember, as you know, in the early days, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was like, oh, you do that karate stuff?

00:03:44.000 Yeah.

00:03:45.000 And so I got on my mountain bike.

00:03:47.000 I was a heavy mountain biker then.

00:03:48.000 And I got on my bike, and I was in Studio City, and I decided to ride Ventura Boulevard.

00:03:52.000 And I'm going to look at every shop on Ventura Boulevard.

00:03:55.000 And I was driving, and I got all the way down to Encino.

00:03:58.000 And I see this jujitsu, right?

00:04:02.000 And I go, oh, that's it.

00:04:04.000 I walk in and this little kind of chubby round guy comes walking up and is tucked into his gi.

00:04:10.000 And he goes, how can I help you?

00:04:11.000 And I go, I'm looking to do that ground fighting stuff.

00:04:14.000 And he goes, yeah, we do that here.

00:04:17.000 And I go, okay, sign up.

00:04:20.000 And so I signed up.

00:04:21.000 And I'm there a week.

00:04:22.000 And I'm there every day.

00:04:24.000 And not once are we on the ground.

00:04:25.000 We're doing this stand-up, small circle stuff.

00:04:28.000 And I'm looking at my classmates.

00:04:30.000 And they're all horribly out of shape.

00:04:33.000 And they can barely move.

00:04:35.000 And I'm thinking, God, this isn't what I saw.

00:04:37.000 What was the place?

00:04:38.000 It was like Mushinru Jiu-Jitsu, right?

00:04:40.000 But I was so out of my head trying to find it.

00:04:43.000 And so I'm there a week.

00:04:45.000 And he's like, hey, congratulations, you get a belt.

00:04:47.000 And I'm like, I hardly know anything.

00:04:50.000 And so he gives me this belt.

00:04:51.000 And I'm working out with this one guy and he says, hey, I think what you want is the Machados.

00:04:56.000 And I was like, where am I? He goes, this isn't it, dude.

00:05:00.000 I'm like in the wrong movie.

00:05:02.000 And so I go, okay.

00:05:05.000 He goes, that's down the road, dude, like four stores, four shops, four shops short, right?

00:05:10.000 So I literally, at class, I'm like currying up and I'm like, I gotta go.

00:05:14.000 And I walk down there and I see them.

00:05:16.000 And this is on Ventura Boulevard.

00:05:18.000 He wasn't at his place in Tarzana yet.

00:05:21.000 He was getting ready to move that week.

00:05:23.000 And I walk in and it was a place as big as this studio.

00:05:25.000 I'm not kidding.

00:05:26.000 And he goes, you know, John Jack spoke very poorly English back then.

00:05:30.000 And he was like, oh, hello, hello.

00:05:31.000 And I'm like, sign.

00:05:33.000 I sign up now, you know.

00:05:35.000 So I signed up.

00:05:37.000 And I started going to him.

00:05:38.000 But I had made like two friends.

00:05:40.000 In LA, I didn't have any friends because I was there to work and become my goal.

00:05:43.000 And so I was still talking to these guys and still going to the other place.

00:05:47.000 And the time worked out where he was early and I would leave and go next door to John Jock, right?

00:05:51.000 So I was there about another week.

00:05:53.000 And we're just doing drills at John Jock.

00:05:56.000 We're doing armbar drills over and over again from our back, from open guard drills.

00:06:00.000 And I would go home and I would draw it in my book.

00:06:03.000 I had a sketchbook of everything.

00:06:04.000 So everything we learned, I would draw it and I was an animator for a long time.

00:06:09.000 So I could animate the movements and I could see in rolling where we would end up.

00:06:14.000 So if we start here and I did this, this, and this, I knew we would end up over here in this position.

00:06:19.000 In my mind, it was easy because I had to animate it.

00:06:22.000 So I would see rolling like cartoons and they would just kind of roll into it.

00:06:26.000 And so...

00:06:27.000 It came very...

00:06:28.000 I wasn't a wrestler, but it came pretty natural to me, the movements, right?

00:06:32.000 And so a week later, the guy at the Mushinryu Jiu-Jitsu place was telling me, oh, you got to do this.

00:06:42.000 And I go, but if you did that, you'd get stuck in an armbar.

00:06:44.000 Because he's having me choke, reach up.

00:06:47.000 And he goes, no, you can't get an armbar from there.

00:06:49.000 And I go, I think you can.

00:06:52.000 He's like, you're not going to do it.

00:06:53.000 And so I go, well, watch.

00:06:55.000 And he got in my guard.

00:06:57.000 And he like, he did his little chest slap thing, you know, those little like, and he like stuck his arm out.

00:07:03.000 What is the little chest slap?

00:07:04.000 Yeah, you know how they like get ready to fight and they're like, you know, they do their poses.

00:07:09.000 And he did that in my guard.

00:07:12.000 And it was weird and everybody's watching, right?

00:07:15.000 And they're standing there watching the instructor tell me I didn't know what I was doing.

00:07:18.000 And he did that and he stuck his arm out and I grabbed his arm and I pulled it in and I threw my legs over his face and I armbarred him.

00:07:24.000 And he got real pissed off.

00:07:26.000 And he goes, he got up and he was really perturbed.

00:07:29.000 And he goes, that wouldn't work in real time.

00:07:32.000 That only worked because I was letting you get there.

00:07:34.000 And I was scared.

00:07:35.000 And I go, I think it would work, man.

00:07:38.000 I think it would work.

00:07:39.000 And remember, I had two friends now, right?

00:07:41.000 My two guy friends, right?

00:07:43.000 I think it would work.

00:07:44.000 And they were going, and I hear one of them go, oh no, it worked.

00:07:47.000 And I'm looking over at him, and he's getting kind of pissed.

00:07:50.000 He's a short guy, but he's really stock.

00:07:52.000 And he goes, look, I'm tired of hearing about this Brazilian jiu-jitsu.

00:07:57.000 So I tell you what.

00:07:59.000 You use your jiu-jitsu, which, by the way, I had had like two weeks of training.

00:08:04.000 Now, granted, I was there every day with John Jack doing drills.

00:08:06.000 So you know, if you've got one movement that you do a hundred times, you're going to have an inkling of how to do it.

00:08:13.000 What year is this?

00:08:14.000 Bro, so you're talking about...

00:08:17.000 94?

00:08:18.000 Right after the first UFC, maybe like two months after the first UFC. Oh, so 93?

00:08:23.000 Yeah, 93. Damn, you're ahead of the curve.

00:08:25.000 So I'm sitting there and I go, okay, I think it'll work, dude.

00:08:30.000 Now, I don't know anything about standing, right?

00:08:32.000 So he gets up and he goes, okay, I'm going to attack you.

00:08:35.000 And you attack me.

00:08:36.000 And I'm like, I don't know how to attack you.

00:08:38.000 So he goes, ready!

00:08:42.000 And all of a sudden, I'm in a video game.

00:08:44.000 I'm standing there.

00:08:45.000 So what do I do?

00:08:46.000 I copy what I saw Hoyce Gracie do.

00:08:48.000 I stick my arms up like the karate kid, and I stick my foot in front.

00:08:52.000 And he fucking starts like...

00:08:54.000 Like, coming at me with his elbows and swinging, and he looks like a little machine.

00:08:58.000 And I just took my foot and kicked him in the front leg.

00:09:01.000 His leg goes down.

00:09:02.000 He lands on me.

00:09:03.000 We fall under the guard.

00:09:04.000 He starts hitting me with his elbow on the top of the head, right?

00:09:07.000 Like, I grabbed him.

00:09:08.000 I clenched him.

00:09:09.000 I squeezed him really tight, mostly so I didn't get punched in the face because I was afraid.

00:09:14.000 And I tuck my head in his chest and he's hitting me on the top of the head and I'm like, that heat comes up your back from your butthole to your neck and you go, you motherfucker.

00:09:23.000 You're hitting me now?

00:09:24.000 And I go, okay, alright, alright, now we're in a new league.

00:09:28.000 Now you're not my friend.

00:09:29.000 Now you're fighting me.

00:09:31.000 And I literally just kind of monkey shimmied up his high guard and I just threw him in an arm bar and I cranked as hard as I could on that arm and he screams, okay!

00:09:41.000 Wow.

00:09:41.000 And I get up, right?

00:09:43.000 And I'm like, you got that blood rush?

00:09:45.000 I'm like, hair messed up.

00:09:47.000 I'm like, you motherfucker.

00:09:49.000 Okay.

00:09:50.000 And I grab my bag.

00:09:53.000 I grab my bag, my little fucking goofy bag.

00:09:56.000 I grab it.

00:09:57.000 And I walk out.

00:09:58.000 I'm like, I don't know what to do.

00:10:00.000 I'm like flustered.

00:10:01.000 I walk out.

00:10:02.000 And the two dudes come running out after me.

00:10:05.000 They're like, bro, bro, I'm coming with you.

00:10:06.000 Where are you going?

00:10:07.000 Where's that school at?

00:10:08.000 And they came and they fucking trained all the way to Purple Belt.

00:10:11.000 Both those guys.

00:10:12.000 Who were the guys?

00:10:13.000 It was Jim Lahan, the wood carpenter guy, and a guy named Seth.

00:10:16.000 I don't even remember his last name.

00:10:17.000 They both trained all the way through Purple before they kind of faded away.

00:10:22.000 Man, you fade away when you're at purple.

00:10:24.000 That's such a shame.

00:10:24.000 You're so close.

00:10:25.000 As an instructor now, it crushes me when I give a blue belt to someone, and then I see them fade.

00:10:30.000 And I'm thinking, God, dude, you got past...

00:10:33.000 The hardest part.

00:10:34.000 You're a color.

00:10:34.000 Yeah.

00:10:35.000 The greatest belt you can get is blue.

00:10:37.000 Yeah.

00:10:37.000 I say that to this day, and I'm fourth black.

00:10:40.000 Blue, because you're a color.

00:10:42.000 You're not the white anymore.

00:10:43.000 You're in the club.

00:10:44.000 You're in.

00:10:45.000 Dude, the day John Jock gave me a blue belt was like one of the greatest days of my life.

00:10:50.000 The day John Jock gave me my purple belt, I was like, oh my god, I'm close.

00:10:55.000 I'm so close to brown.

00:10:57.000 Purple is a danger belt.

00:10:58.000 Purple belts.

00:10:59.000 Tap people.

00:11:00.000 I remember seeing a lot of purple belts that could tap brown belts.

00:11:03.000 Purple belts that were dangerous.

00:11:05.000 They had one really good move.

00:11:06.000 Here's my take on purples.

00:11:08.000 They're just crazy enough to try anything.

00:11:10.000 And they're not worried about getting got.

00:11:12.000 Especially those purple belts that train every day.

00:11:14.000 That's obscene.

00:11:15.000 Psycho purple belts.

00:11:18.000 They're closer to a black belt at that point than they were further from it.

00:11:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:25.000 I trained with this purple belt.

00:11:26.000 One of the last times I trained, this guy was a surfer at John Jock School in Malibu.

00:11:30.000 And I remember we were just fucking going to war.

00:11:34.000 I was like, Jesus, this guy is so good for a purple belt.

00:11:37.000 He's like close.

00:11:38.000 They're close.

00:11:39.000 They're off on a few things.

00:11:42.000 They don't know all the escapes.

00:11:44.000 They don't know where they're...

00:11:45.000 There's just a few things they're off on, but the shit that he was good at, I was like, woo, this feels dangerous.

00:11:50.000 Yeah, I know.

00:11:51.000 What drives me crazy as an instructor now in owning a school is, you know, there was a long period of time where we could be lazy and rest on what we knew, right?

00:12:00.000 And you'd get a guy from another school or someone come in and he's a blue belt or even a purple.

00:12:04.000 It was like, oh yeah, let's roll.

00:12:05.000 And they run right to you, right?

00:12:07.000 Hey, you rolling today?

00:12:08.000 Let's roll.

00:12:09.000 And I'm like...

00:12:10.000 Okay, let's roll.

00:12:11.000 And you're like, you go into this, you lull yourself into a mistake where you go, I'm just going to defend and be lazy and I'm going to roll here because I don't feel like rolling.

00:12:24.000 And you're rolling with them and all of a sudden in your mind you're like, oh shit, they're a little more than I anticipated.

00:12:29.000 Oh shit.

00:12:30.000 They're a little, they're amped up and bringing it.

00:12:33.000 And you're like, dude, I just ate two donuts.

00:12:35.000 And I'm like, thinking about my- You know what would drive me the most crazy?

00:12:37.000 When a guy would sit on the sidelines and wait.

00:12:40.000 You roll with three or four people.

00:12:42.000 And then jump up.

00:12:44.000 You go, you want to roll?

00:12:46.000 UFC fighters do that.

00:12:47.000 And you're like, come on, man.

00:12:49.000 Come on, dude.

00:12:49.000 Yeah, you've been waiting.

00:12:51.000 You're just sitting here waiting for everybody to get tired.

00:12:53.000 Uh-huh.

00:12:54.000 Uh-huh.

00:12:54.000 Dude, I remember when you lost your job at Nickelodeon.

00:12:58.000 We were in the parking lot of John Jocks.

00:13:00.000 And this is like, what year was that?

00:13:03.000 That had been, you know what, it had been 98?

00:13:05.000 Yeah.

00:13:05.000 98, because I had a house.

00:13:07.000 I just bought a townhome in Valencia.

00:13:09.000 Yeah, and we were talking.

00:13:10.000 You're like, fuck, I don't know what to do.

00:13:11.000 Yeah.

00:13:12.000 Like, I'm thinking, you know, but just like, just, you know, working on my art.

00:13:17.000 Yeah.

00:13:17.000 I remember that conversation, man.

00:13:19.000 And then I remember years later, you're balling out of control in your arts and galleries.

00:13:24.000 And I had a friend, and I went over his house, and he had one of your fucking paintings above his kitchen table.

00:13:30.000 I was like, holy shit, that's Todd White's painting!

00:13:32.000 He's like, you know that guy?

00:13:34.000 I go, I do jujitsu with him!

00:13:36.000 I'm like, wow.

00:13:36.000 He goes, yeah, he's really talented.

00:13:38.000 He's really good.

00:13:38.000 It was like one of those cocktail party paintings.

00:13:40.000 I remember thinking, this is nuts, man.

00:13:42.000 I'm at someone else's house, and Todd White's painting is above his fucking kitchen table.

00:13:48.000 It was wild.

00:13:48.000 I love that.

00:13:49.000 But I was telling you the other day, or just earlier today, rather, that Shore, the restaurant out here, I go in, had no idea.

00:13:56.000 I just go in, me and my wife are on date night.

00:13:58.000 We walk in, and I'm like, this fucking Todd White's paintings are everywhere.

00:14:02.000 Yeah.

00:14:02.000 Thank you.

00:14:03.000 Your style is so distinctive.

00:14:07.000 Either someone's ripping you off, or it's you.

00:14:11.000 So when I walked in there, I'm like, I'm 99% sure this is Todd White or some Todd White copier.

00:14:18.000 I had 13 years in animation.

00:14:21.000 I came out of high school.

00:14:23.000 I got a job at Warner Brothers as a production assistant on the first season of Tiny Toons.

00:14:28.000 But what I did is I looked at every super talented artist, every draftsman, and I would ask questions, and I was drawing every day.

00:14:36.000 I had no social life, and they would give me such great advice.

00:14:40.000 So I looked at it.

00:14:41.000 That's my college, because I didn't go to school.

00:14:43.000 My mom was a painter, so I grew up in a painting household.

00:14:46.000 Her mom was as well.

00:14:47.000 And I just looked at it as, I'm going to educate myself through the hard work and the grind.

00:14:53.000 And before I knew it, I was just around some of the most talented artists in the industry, and they were showing me techniques and the way to put life into character and a way to give a drawing life, which is the hardest thing, by the way.

00:15:06.000 I look at a lot of paintings and I... They may be technically great, but there's no life.

00:15:10.000 They're dead-looking.

00:15:11.000 The eyes are dead.

00:15:12.000 It's a dead-looking painting.

00:15:14.000 And so I learned through super talented artists to teach me how to put that kind of personality and life into the drawing and then translate that into the painting.

00:15:25.000 And I was always obsessed with the Rat Pack and Sinatra and Dean Martin and Sammy Davis Jr. And I just...

00:15:32.000 I had VHS tapes of them at the summit and everything.

00:15:35.000 I used to watch them all the time.

00:15:36.000 They looked like they were having so much fun.

00:15:38.000 God, men were men and women were dames.

00:15:40.000 And they had the drinks and the cigarettes.

00:15:42.000 And they were blowing smoke in each other's face.

00:15:44.000 And they weren't worried about masks.

00:15:45.000 It was just an amazing time.

00:15:48.000 Women were dames.

00:15:49.000 I loved it.

00:15:50.000 Dames is such a great word.

00:15:52.000 So I just kind of wanted to capture that in painting.

00:15:55.000 And I wanted to kind of bring some of that timelessness back.

00:15:58.000 And, you know...

00:16:02.000 I was really good with marker work, marker color comps in animation, because quickly after that I became a character designer.

00:16:10.000 And so I spent the next, you know, 10 years in animation designing characters for shows.

00:16:15.000 And I ended on SpongeBob.

00:16:16.000 And that was like Steve Hillenburg.

00:16:19.000 A lot of my friends from the previous show said, hey, we're going over Nickelodeon.

00:16:22.000 They've got this new show they're working on.

00:16:24.000 It's a pilot, SpongeBob, and they need a character guy.

00:16:26.000 And I met with Steven and he said, he gave me marine biology books.

00:16:29.000 He's like, here, make these characters.

00:16:32.000 A marine biology book?

00:16:34.000 Yeah, he was a marine biologist.

00:16:35.000 Really?

00:16:35.000 He went to CalArts.

00:16:36.000 He wasn't the best draftsman, but he had good ideas.

00:16:39.000 And he was a really cool dude and a surfer.

00:16:41.000 So why marine biology?

00:16:43.000 Because it was all about underwater life.

00:16:45.000 I don't know if you've ever seen the show.

00:16:47.000 Well, I've seen it a few times with my kids.

00:16:48.000 I never really paid attention.

00:16:50.000 I didn't know it was underwater.

00:16:53.000 It's all fish life.

00:16:55.000 I know.

00:16:55.000 Bubble Guppies is underwater.

00:16:56.000 I don't know what that is.

00:16:57.000 I actually can't stand watching.

00:16:59.000 You don't watch that with your kids?

00:17:00.000 I don't.

00:17:00.000 The kids have so many shows going on, and they're all so horrible to watch, so I don't stare at any of them.

00:17:04.000 Yeah, Bubble Guppies was my daughter's favorite show for like two years.

00:17:08.000 Yeah.

00:17:09.000 Your style.

00:17:10.000 Go to his website and pull up some of the images.

00:17:14.000 Are they all like this?

00:17:17.000 Do you do other kinds of styles?

00:17:21.000 Or is it most of your work like cocktail, party?

00:17:25.000 I view my work as it's all personality and relatable.

00:17:29.000 So...

00:17:29.000 In my mind, I'm not painting art for your furniture or your living room.

00:17:35.000 I'm not painting something you want to put in your living room.

00:17:37.000 I'm painting something that you want, that you identify with.

00:17:40.000 And I think a lot of people...

00:17:41.000 What do you mean by that?

00:17:42.000 Like, if it's not for the living room, where is it if you identify with it?

00:17:45.000 Yeah, it's put it wherever you identify.

00:17:47.000 Put it where you identify.

00:17:48.000 See yourself in it.

00:17:49.000 You see yourself.

00:17:49.000 You see your boys.

00:17:50.000 Weekend at Vegas, that time you had the greatest time ever.

00:17:53.000 The women had girls night out and they see their new stuff.

00:17:56.000 Can you go to Instagram at all?

00:17:59.000 That's going to have my newest stuff.

00:18:00.000 Cartoonish.

00:18:01.000 Oh, okay.

00:18:02.000 I hate that word.

00:18:03.000 What?

00:18:04.000 Cartoonish.

00:18:05.000 Cartoonish?

00:18:05.000 Yeah.

00:18:05.000 Really?

00:18:06.000 What's a good word?

00:18:08.000 Charactered.

00:18:09.000 Charactered.

00:18:10.000 But no one's going to know what you're saying.

00:18:11.000 I know.

00:18:12.000 I know.

00:18:13.000 So there you go.

00:18:14.000 There's some new stuff right there.

00:18:15.000 That's like the foxes and...

00:18:19.000 You know, so I always want to represent someone's life.

00:18:22.000 I want them to see their life in it.

00:18:23.000 I want them to see their personality in there.

00:18:25.000 Go back to that picture again.

00:18:29.000 Chasing foxes.

00:18:30.000 The blonde, like from the left-hand side, the third one, she looks like a bitch.

00:18:34.000 Oh, good.

00:18:35.000 Good.

00:18:35.000 Because in a group of four...

00:18:36.000 She looks like the mean one.

00:18:37.000 In a group of four, that's what you're going to have.

00:18:38.000 Fuck him.

00:18:39.000 See, everyone has their own attitude.

00:18:41.000 Everyone has their own personality.

00:18:44.000 Like, out of those three...

00:18:45.000 You know why?

00:18:46.000 She gets everything she wants, doesn't she?

00:18:47.000 I like the girl on the far left.

00:18:48.000 The one in the white, that's my kind of girl.

00:18:50.000 There you go.

00:18:50.000 She's soft.

00:18:51.000 She seems like she's happy.

00:18:52.000 She's soft.

00:18:53.000 That one, you gotta work for that one that's holding that wine glass too low.

00:18:57.000 She's just too much work.

00:18:58.000 What do we like?

00:18:58.000 We like the thrill of the hunt, not the thrill of the kill.

00:19:00.000 No!

00:19:01.000 I like nice people.

00:19:02.000 I get my thrills in other places.

00:19:05.000 I don't want them in relationships.

00:19:06.000 A lot of people...

00:19:07.000 We look for conflict and relationships.

00:19:09.000 I just look for nice people, man.

00:19:11.000 I like the white.

00:19:11.000 I lucked out.

00:19:12.000 Yeah, you got lucky.

00:19:13.000 I did too.

00:19:14.000 I like the one in the white.

00:19:15.000 That's my kind of girl.

00:19:16.000 But that one with the low wine glass, I tell my friends, bro, please.

00:19:20.000 Please don't bring it over the house.

00:19:21.000 Sugar Shack.

00:19:23.000 Those three, I have no problem with any of those girls.

00:19:25.000 They're fine.

00:19:26.000 Those are fun girls.

00:19:26.000 But I think the one that Jamie's got the cursor over, she's going to be the most problems.

00:19:30.000 She's going to overdose at your house.

00:19:32.000 But see, what are we doing?

00:19:34.000 We're having conversations about stupid art, right?

00:19:37.000 So, you know, art should be a conversation piece.

00:19:40.000 The one on the far right, she's going to fuck your friends.

00:19:42.000 My friends.

00:19:42.000 My clients.

00:19:44.000 She's going to text your friend, can you help me move?

00:19:46.000 And then she's going to fuck all your friends.

00:19:48.000 Yeah, so it should be a conversation piece.

00:19:50.000 You should have it in an area where friends come over and they go, what's going on here?

00:19:53.000 And it represents you.

00:19:55.000 It represents your personality.

00:19:56.000 They say, well, this is how, you know, we love our life.

00:19:59.000 But I know you got to a point where you were, like, really in demand.

00:20:03.000 Like, I remember, I was talking to Eddie about it, and he was like, God, Todd is so busy.

00:20:06.000 Like, he's, like, constantly working.

00:20:08.000 Does it ever get to a point where it seemed like labor?

00:20:13.000 Or like, that's a dope Hendricks shirt, son.

00:20:15.000 What you got there?

00:20:17.000 Hidden by your gay bandana.

00:20:19.000 I'm sorry.

00:20:19.000 It's not gay.

00:20:20.000 It's more like a rancher's bandana.

00:20:22.000 There you go.

00:20:23.000 We're in Texas.

00:20:24.000 Yeah.

00:20:24.000 One of those gay who'd have sequins in it or something.

00:20:27.000 I like that.

00:20:27.000 That's a dope shirt.

00:20:28.000 You can have it.

00:20:29.000 Really?

00:20:30.000 I'll give it to you.

00:20:31.000 One of the coolest shows I ever did.

00:20:33.000 I have the greatest fans of any artist, period, living.

00:20:35.000 They're awesome people, and they show up in droves.

00:20:38.000 We were doing a show one time, and this client in England came up, and he goes, and I said, dude, that's the greatest jacket I've ever seen.

00:20:45.000 And he goes, you like it?

00:20:46.000 And I go, yeah.

00:20:47.000 And he goes, it's yours.

00:20:48.000 And I go, I'm not going to take your jacket.

00:20:49.000 And in my mind, I go, I'm taking his jacket.

00:20:52.000 And he goes, no, man, try it on.

00:20:54.000 If it fits you, it's yours.

00:20:55.000 And I thought, that's fair.

00:20:56.000 Fair.

00:20:57.000 I try it on.

00:20:58.000 I'm like, oh, buddy.

00:20:59.000 Fit perfect?

00:21:00.000 He goes, I've had to fix it.

00:21:00.000 He goes, it's yours.

00:21:01.000 Wow.

00:21:02.000 I go, oh, thank you.

00:21:03.000 And the cool thing is, about 10 years later, I was in Toronto doing a show, and a kid came up, an artist kid, and he showed me his work briefly, which I I find it a bit hard to look at people's work in the middle of my show.

00:21:14.000 And I'm like, oh, that's awesome, dude.

00:21:15.000 And he goes, man, that's a great jacket.

00:21:17.000 And I go, he was about my size.

00:21:18.000 I go, hey, see if this fits you.

00:21:20.000 And he fit him.

00:21:21.000 And I go, it's yours.

00:21:22.000 And he was like over the moon.

00:21:24.000 He goes, I can't believe it.

00:21:26.000 And then other people were like, dude, I just bought a fucking $60,000 painting.

00:21:29.000 You gave him a jacket?

00:21:30.000 And he's like, Like, hey, hey, hey, come on, man.

00:21:33.000 You just gotta go with the flow.

00:21:34.000 Pay it forward, pay it forward.

00:21:35.000 Yeah, you gotta go with the flow.

00:21:36.000 But did you ever get to a point where, you know, because you were painting so much, I mean, you had requirements, right?

00:21:43.000 I mean, was it ever where it felt like work?

00:21:46.000 No, it was always...

00:21:48.000 I never...

00:21:49.000 Unless it was a commission.

00:21:50.000 I was being commissioned by someone to do something.

00:21:52.000 I painted what I wanted, how I wanted it.

00:21:54.000 And every day was exciting to me.

00:21:56.000 Because my paintings start as a story.

00:21:58.000 I have a story in my mind first.

00:22:00.000 And I have...

00:22:01.000 I come up with titles and names.

00:22:02.000 And sometimes you'll be coming...

00:22:03.000 Go back to the Instagram page.

00:22:04.000 You'll have a conversation with something and I'll hear something.

00:22:07.000 Any one of those pick and it's a different story.

00:22:09.000 Alright, what's the story of the lady with the...

00:22:11.000 What's the story with the dude jumping up in the air?

00:22:13.000 Is that Eddie Van Halen, dude?

00:22:15.000 Thank you, sorry.

00:22:16.000 Miss you, buddy.

00:22:17.000 Wow, that's a great Eddie Van Halen, dude.

00:22:19.000 Story of my childhood, right there.

00:22:20.000 1984, riding a school bus to school and people playing jump in the back of it on a cassette boombox.

00:22:27.000 Dude.

00:22:27.000 That was history, man.

00:22:29.000 My high school, too.

00:22:30.000 Brought a sad tear to my eye when I heard that.

00:22:32.000 I was like, oh.

00:22:32.000 I've become friends with David Lee Roth.

00:22:34.000 I know.

00:22:35.000 And it's one of the weirdest things ever.

00:22:37.000 Because when I was in high school, that guy was the shit.

00:22:40.000 It was God.

00:22:41.000 It was a God.

00:22:42.000 And I'm eating dinner with him in Vegas.

00:22:44.000 And we're laughing and having a good time.

00:22:47.000 And I'm like, this is so strange.

00:22:49.000 Dude, you have the best life.

00:22:50.000 And I'm friends with David Lee Roth having dinner with him.

00:22:53.000 We're cutting up steaks and having a bunch of laughs.

00:22:56.000 Oh, good.

00:22:57.000 At some point in your mind, just to be Joe for a second, you have to go, you know, you're having the conversations, and you have such great conversations with people, and you're like, God damn, this is awesome.

00:23:06.000 It's weird.

00:23:07.000 It seems weird.

00:23:08.000 It's surreal.

00:23:09.000 Oh, beyond.

00:23:10.000 Because here you lived, in a way, you've lived two lives.

00:23:12.000 You had the first portion of your life, which was a youth, struggle, adult.

00:23:17.000 You know, you're trying to get to your goals and make your dreams happen, and it's a work in progress, but all this stuff is going on around you.

00:23:23.000 Music's happening, movies happen, and you're paying attention to it lightly, and And now you're at a different part of your life where you're almost the ringleader of things and it's your circus master and these people are coming into you and you're sitting across from like James Hetfield and you're just having conversations and you're like,

00:23:39.000 dude, my God, you got me through high school, dude.

00:23:41.000 Ride the lightning got me through, you know, and...

00:23:44.000 It's got to be such a personal inside reward to go, God damn, this is awesome.

00:23:49.000 Well, I, without a doubt, feel super, super fortunate in the weirdest way.

00:23:54.000 Like, what did I do in a past life to deserve this?

00:23:58.000 But another way, it's...

00:24:02.000 It's alien.

00:24:04.000 I feel both fortunate and I also feel like, how is this real?

00:24:09.000 How am I, when I'm sitting across from anyone, name the person.

00:24:14.000 Steven Tyler.

00:24:15.000 Yeah, Steven Tyler.

00:24:16.000 The fact that Steven Tyler knows my fucking name is bizarre.

00:24:19.000 He came to see me in Vegas.

00:24:21.000 So I'm hanging out with him after my show.

00:24:24.000 I know.

00:24:24.000 I'm like, this is so fucking weird.

00:24:27.000 But you got your foot in the door and then you earned the room.

00:24:30.000 So it's not like, I mean, you're really good at it.

00:24:32.000 So it's not like you're flying by the seat of your pants.

00:24:34.000 It's like, it's so easy.

00:24:36.000 That's all well and good.

00:24:37.000 It's good to listen to.

00:24:38.000 It's smooth.

00:24:39.000 That's all well and good, but it still feels bizarre.

00:24:42.000 It's got to.

00:24:43.000 I mean, I don't, I'm not panicking when I'm talking to him.

00:24:46.000 No.

00:24:47.000 But it is, there's parts of the time where he's talking.

00:24:50.000 I'm like, that's Steven Tyler.

00:24:51.000 I know.

00:24:52.000 He's right there.

00:24:52.000 I can touch him.

00:24:53.000 I can touch him.

00:24:54.000 I can grab Iron Man and throw him to the ground right now.

00:24:58.000 Robert Downey Jr. Where's your Iron Man now, bitch?

00:25:01.000 He's actually a martial artist.

00:25:03.000 He's really into Wing Chun.

00:25:04.000 Yeah, yeah, I like that.

00:25:07.000 I'm sure I'll get fucking hate mail on that.

00:25:11.000 It's so true.

00:25:12.000 Those Kung Fu dudes, they never let it go.

00:25:15.000 You got a lot of the Day of the Dead type gals.

00:25:18.000 Well, you're just catching September through November 2nd.

00:25:21.000 That's my little shtick.

00:25:22.000 I do September 1st through November 2nd.

00:25:24.000 I do nothing but Day of the Dead.

00:25:25.000 The best part is when I was over in England touring, they said, what is this Halloween stuff?

00:25:30.000 Why do you got a butt?

00:25:31.000 Why not?

00:25:33.000 That was a commission.

00:25:34.000 Somebody wanted you to make a butt.

00:25:35.000 That's my collector.

00:25:36.000 Hired me to paint his wife like that.

00:25:37.000 Oh, wow.

00:25:38.000 Wow.

00:25:39.000 Did he give you a picture?

00:25:40.000 Or did she stand there?

00:25:41.000 No, no.

00:25:41.000 He sent totos.

00:25:42.000 So I won't paint nudes of people's wives.

00:25:45.000 Like, don't send me nudes, I always say.

00:25:46.000 But there's Meg.

00:25:47.000 So I said, hey...

00:25:50.000 My wife says, hey, you got a commission to do.

00:25:52.000 It's a guy that owns a pretty big strip club chain.

00:25:55.000 And I go, yeah?

00:25:55.000 He goes, yeah.

00:25:56.000 He wants you to paint his wife.

00:25:57.000 And he gave me a story.

00:25:58.000 He met her when he was 18, yanked her right off stage and married her.

00:26:01.000 And she's part of the empire now.

00:26:03.000 And so he sent me a bunch of photos.

00:26:05.000 And she's 40 now.

00:26:06.000 And she was unbelievable, right?

00:26:08.000 Like, god damn.

00:26:09.000 And so I did the painting of her, you know, in a bustier.

00:26:14.000 And I sent it back to him.

00:26:15.000 And my wife says, hey, you got a letter back from them.

00:26:19.000 I got good news and bad news.

00:26:20.000 I thought, oh shit, bad news.

00:26:22.000 I don't like hearing that.

00:26:23.000 And she goes, I go, what's the good news first?

00:26:24.000 And she goes, oh, the good news is they love the painting.

00:26:27.000 It's hanging in their bedroom.

00:26:28.000 They say it's the centerpiece.

00:26:29.000 They just think it's the greatest thing ever.

00:26:31.000 I go, well, what's the bad news?

00:26:32.000 He said, if you're ever in New Orleans, New York, or San Francisco again, contact them.

00:26:39.000 You're going to have the greatest night of your life.

00:26:40.000 And I said, that's the bad news?

00:26:41.000 She goes, yeah, you're never going there by yourself again.

00:26:45.000 Oh yeah, fair enough, fair enough.

00:26:47.000 Who's the girl in the lower corner with the glasses?

00:26:50.000 That's just a...

00:26:51.000 Just a gal?

00:26:51.000 Dirty little floozy.

00:26:52.000 My brand new pistol.

00:26:55.000 Dirty little floozy.

00:26:56.000 Just a little scallywag.

00:26:57.000 Is she a dame?

00:26:58.000 No.

00:26:59.000 Is that a dame?

00:27:00.000 What is a dame versus a floozy?

00:27:02.000 Dude, a dame is a girl who holds her own in a court of men.

00:27:05.000 She can just hold it, right?

00:27:06.000 You watch those old classic movies and they give it back to you, you know?

00:27:12.000 I like that.

00:27:13.000 So my paintings of women, they may be sexual looking, but they have their own thing going.

00:27:19.000 They have their own agenda.

00:27:20.000 They're strong.

00:27:21.000 They're not just pinups.

00:27:23.000 Yeah, they seem aggressive.

00:27:24.000 They have a game plan.

00:27:26.000 And that comes from the cesspool of L.A. and wallowing in that mire and being around that so much that You couldn't meet a nice, innocent girl because they all had a game plan.

00:27:36.000 They were after something.

00:27:37.000 Whether it was status, whether it was money, or whether it was to get on a show.

00:27:44.000 I'll never fault people for going to a place to try to achieve a dream, but at some point, that's not happening.

00:27:51.000 You know what's the most depressing thing in LA when you're meeting people is the people that you think are pretty cool, but then you realize along the way that what they're really doing is being friendly so that they can sort of network.

00:28:04.000 Of course.

00:28:04.000 Yeah, it's a town of that.

00:28:07.000 It's hard to filter.

00:28:08.000 I mean, I've been friends with people for 15 years.

00:28:11.000 I had dudes that I thought were my bros.

00:28:13.000 We were in foxholes together.

00:28:14.000 And, you know, my wife, she's got to be a bit psychic because she says, that guy's going to stab me in the back.

00:28:19.000 And I'm like, get out of here!

00:28:21.000 That's never going to happen.

00:28:22.000 And then the right opportunity comes along and they jump ship and they're just like, bang!

00:28:26.000 And you're like, god damn, she was right.

00:28:29.000 Stab me in the back, how so?

00:28:30.000 You know, like what you said, riding coattails, you have a career going, you're doing your thing, and all of a sudden they're like, hey, I want to get in on that.

00:28:38.000 And it's like, yeah, but you sold insurance and now you're an art guy.

00:28:41.000 And it's like, what?

00:28:42.000 And they just fucking jump on you.

00:28:45.000 It is the weirdest thing when someone wants to be a part of your business.

00:28:48.000 Hey, let me pitch you something.

00:28:51.000 You're like, oh no.

00:28:52.000 Because then you realize they're looking at you as an opportunity for income.

00:28:58.000 You're an object.

00:29:00.000 What's more discouraging for me is people who think, well, you're doing that.

00:29:04.000 I can do that.

00:29:06.000 And I'm like, what do you mean by that?

00:29:08.000 That's hilarious.

00:29:09.000 And they go, well, you know, I can do that.

00:29:11.000 I can paint that way.

00:29:12.000 And it's like, well, then do it, you know, and see how far it gets you, you know, because it's not only one thing.

00:29:17.000 It's everything.

00:29:19.000 It's the work, the labor, the drive you have.

00:29:21.000 And I'll take drive any day over talent because the harder you drive something, you can get to that talent level.

00:29:26.000 I completely agree with that.

00:29:28.000 I always tell people...

00:29:29.000 Stand-up is a perfect example because a lot of people are funny.

00:29:32.000 A lot of guys are funny hanging out.

00:29:34.000 And they're hanging out with you.

00:29:35.000 And I'm not particularly funny when I'm hanging out.

00:29:37.000 I can just hang out.

00:29:39.000 I'll be funny occasionally if some shit happens or if I have a move.

00:29:43.000 But I'm not a needy comedian.

00:29:45.000 I don't have to be the guy who's on all the time.

00:29:48.000 So sometimes guys will go...

00:29:51.000 I could fucking do comedy.

00:29:53.000 Like, I'm fucking funnier than you.

00:29:54.000 I could do comedy.

00:29:55.000 I'm like, yeah, you could do comedy.

00:29:56.000 You could do comedy.

00:29:58.000 You definitely could do it.

00:29:58.000 I tell everybody, you could do it.

00:30:00.000 But good luck.

00:30:01.000 Do it over and over again.

00:30:03.000 Be fresh.

00:30:03.000 But good luck understanding what that is.

00:30:05.000 It seems like you're just talking.

00:30:08.000 Because everybody talks.

00:30:10.000 I talk.

00:30:11.000 I can be funny.

00:30:11.000 I say funny things sometimes.

00:30:12.000 My wife laughs at me.

00:30:13.000 Like, I think I can do it.

00:30:15.000 And then go get an idea across in front of people.

00:30:19.000 And it seems like you're doing hypnosis is what you're doing.

00:30:22.000 You're doing some weird sort of artistic hypnosis with built-in ideas that spark lights in people's head.

00:30:31.000 And you either can do that or you can't.

00:30:34.000 Even if you can make your friends laugh, doing that on stage in front of people, that shit's going to take forever.

00:30:42.000 You know, people get very accustomed to saying stuff with their boys or their friends and they get these laughs and they think they're really good.

00:30:49.000 But then if you got up on stage and you said something and it dropped dead silent, that's going to hit you.

00:30:54.000 And you're going to be like, uh...

00:30:55.000 It's going to throw you like a gut check kick.

00:30:59.000 And all of a sudden you're like, uh, my next thing is...

00:31:03.000 Well, you know, Eddie really got into comedy again.

00:31:07.000 I forced Eddie on stage in the early 2000s.

00:31:11.000 I forced him on the stage.

00:31:13.000 I'm like, dude, you're funny.

00:31:13.000 You make me laugh all the time.

00:31:14.000 Go do it.

00:31:15.000 And he did it like eight or nine times, but the bombing was too much.

00:31:17.000 He couldn't do it.

00:31:18.000 But then when he started running Tenth Planet, when he started teaching, he got way more comfortable talking to people, and he would make the crowd laugh in the gym when he was teaching classes.

00:31:29.000 And then he eventually was doing seminars.

00:31:31.000 And during seminars, he would have funny stories.

00:31:34.000 And he would be killing.

00:31:36.000 He's like, dude, I was killing at my seminar.

00:31:38.000 I'm thinking about doing stand-up again.

00:31:39.000 I'm like, do it!

00:31:40.000 Fucking do it!

00:31:40.000 And that turned into him actually doing stand-up.

00:31:44.000 And he was touring with Sam Tripoli for a while.

00:31:47.000 He was doing really well.

00:31:49.000 Yeah, I saw the tinfoil hat.

00:31:49.000 Yeah, Tinfoil Hat Conspiracy Theory Podcast.

00:31:52.000 Occasionally talk.

00:31:53.000 Dude, he's funny.

00:31:55.000 Eddie makes me laugh.

00:31:56.000 Like, he really could.

00:31:57.000 I knew he could do it.

00:31:58.000 But it's the pain of doing it.

00:32:00.000 But he was like, listen, I'm trying to run a school.

00:32:03.000 I'm trying to compete in jiu-jitsu.

00:32:05.000 You can't spend too many plates.

00:32:07.000 Me and my wife are spending so many plates now.

00:32:09.000 It's like we got the jiu-jitsu school, which is basically a side project that I enjoy doing and a hobby that I've got some awesome instructors helping me with.

00:32:17.000 And then...

00:32:18.000 Then we have our art business, our art publishing business, because I'm self-published.

00:32:21.000 I don't just turn my work over to a company to produce my work.

00:32:25.000 I produce it all.

00:32:26.000 When you say produce?

00:32:27.000 J'clays, high-end reproductions.

00:32:29.000 When I do a release, it's a limited edition of 135. And this is for prints?

00:32:35.000 Yeah, the prints, the high-end reproductions on canvas.

00:32:38.000 How does that happen?

00:32:40.000 Say if you make a painting, like one of these paintings, and then you want to turn that into a print.

00:32:43.000 What's the process?

00:32:44.000 So you get it scanned.

00:32:46.000 From there, you take it on your computer and you run it through a big Epson 11880 printer the size of this table and it prints it out on a canvas and you've got to color correct everything because the photograph versus the computer talking to the inks and it's different.

00:33:01.000 It comes out.

00:33:01.000 You get that right.

00:33:02.000 And then you start doing your run.

00:33:05.000 For me, when I do a limited edition, that's it.

00:33:08.000 It's limited.

00:33:08.000 I don't do more.

00:33:09.000 I don't make a smaller version.

00:33:11.000 This is where artists get in trouble.

00:33:14.000 Because the publicist will say, hey, we did 50 of that image.

00:33:18.000 We sold out in a day.

00:33:19.000 Let's do 50 more in a smaller size.

00:33:21.000 And let's do 20 more in a smaller size.

00:33:23.000 So now, if you're the collector, who I value the highest in my profession, They look at it and they go, dude, I bought that.

00:33:32.000 And then I'm walking down this gallery and I see a tiny version of it.

00:33:35.000 It's losing value.

00:33:36.000 It's losing its luster.

00:33:38.000 It's like you don't have something so special.

00:33:40.000 And so when I do an edition of 135 in the world, that's it.

00:33:44.000 So the UK will buy half out the front.

00:33:46.000 Then the Canada will pick up 20. And then what's left over is for the US. Why is that?

00:33:50.000 Why is the UK the premier market?

00:33:54.000 De Montfort Fine Art handles me over there, and they are a distributor.

00:33:58.000 So they have their network of galleries.

00:34:01.000 They already did.

00:34:02.000 Here, I'm dealing with the galleries.

00:34:04.000 My wife deals with them.

00:34:05.000 I don't.

00:34:05.000 And she's the business end of it.

00:34:07.000 And she's talking to the galleries and dealing.

00:34:09.000 We only have like five or six in the United States.

00:34:12.000 And, you know, from Ohio to then Northern California.

00:34:19.000 So how does that work?

00:34:20.000 Let's say you have an idea for a painting.

00:34:22.000 You make a painting.

00:34:24.000 How do you decide who gets the original?

00:34:26.000 Who buys it?

00:34:27.000 But how do you even put that out there?

00:34:29.000 So I put it out there on Instagram.

00:34:31.000 Instagram is...

00:34:32.000 It's a strange day and time right now because...

00:34:35.000 Of COVID and shutting down galleries.

00:34:37.000 Some galleries are not coming back.

00:34:38.000 We're losing mom and pop galleries.

00:34:40.000 They're closing down.

00:34:41.000 They go, enough.

00:34:42.000 We're out.

00:34:44.000 California was such an awesome, thriving market and now it's just dead in the water.

00:34:47.000 All these galleries are leaving.

00:34:49.000 Artists are going, what the hell am I going to do?

00:34:53.000 I've lost several galleries.

00:34:56.000 Instagram is becoming this new Amazon for artists.

00:35:02.000 It's like artists are now looking at Instagram as, I'm just going to put my work up there and push myself, and they can contact us.

00:35:09.000 So that's what happens.

00:35:10.000 I'll post an image, and my clients will see it anywhere around the world, and they'll contact their gallery.

00:35:15.000 So if they're in England, they'll contact the White Wall Gallery.

00:35:18.000 And they'll inquire.

00:35:20.000 Because my wife will wake up and in the morning she'll have four or five emails from around the world of, hey, how much is that?

00:35:26.000 So is this on your Instagram page?

00:35:27.000 Like if someone sees one of your paintings, is there a contact information number or email number?

00:35:32.000 So if they're local or if they're in the U.S. or whatever, they usually contact us directly from there, from the Instagram.

00:35:38.000 They'll send a DM or they'll send it to my website, my wife's.

00:35:41.000 You know, page.

00:35:42.000 And they'll send it to us.

00:35:44.000 If they are a collector who's accustomed to a gallery, they'll contact that gallery.

00:35:49.000 If I've always bought from Kevin in Ohio, they'll buy it from him directly.

00:35:54.000 You know, they'll call him, hey, Kevin, I saw his new piece.

00:35:56.000 And that's what we want.

00:35:57.000 The problem is these galleries are closing down more and more.

00:36:00.000 Because of COVID. Yeah.

00:36:02.000 And so some of them, they're like, well, my guy's gone.

00:36:06.000 So we're just like, just contact us direct.

00:36:09.000 It's fine.

00:36:10.000 In the UK, I send them...

00:36:11.000 Anybody from the UK, we send them right over to White Wall Galleries.

00:36:13.000 Anyone in Canada, we send them to List Gallery.

00:36:17.000 What's getting hit the worst?

00:36:18.000 Is it the United States?

00:36:19.000 The UK. The UK. Now they have some new strain.

00:36:22.000 They're shut down again.

00:36:23.000 Yeah, some new strain that's 70% more contagious?

00:36:26.000 I just...

00:36:26.000 It's just...

00:36:27.000 You know, I got tested by you before I came in here.

00:36:31.000 That was the first time I'd been tested.

00:36:33.000 I... I see no point in getting, for me personally, doing, I'm very fit.

00:36:39.000 I train at least one day a week now, embarrassing to say.

00:36:43.000 I know my body very well.

00:36:45.000 And I know when I wake up and something's off.

00:36:47.000 And if something's off, I'll get checked immediately.

00:36:50.000 But to say, you know, I've heard stories from guys who've rolled, friends of mine in California, super athletes.

00:36:59.000 And they're like, yeah, dude, I was doing something.

00:37:01.000 They said I had COVID. And I'm like, and how did you feel?

00:37:04.000 And they're like, I feel great.

00:37:05.000 I feel fine.

00:37:05.000 I'm like, nothing is wrong with me.

00:37:07.000 I didn't know it.

00:37:08.000 I don't have headaches.

00:37:09.000 I don't have anything.

00:37:10.000 There are false negatives.

00:37:11.000 Yeah, and I go, dude, if this is the end-all disease and you feel great, you're not bleeding out your eyeballs, then what?

00:37:20.000 It really depends on the person.

00:37:22.000 It depends on your vulnerabilities.

00:37:24.000 It depends on your age.

00:37:25.000 You know, I had Alex Berenson.

00:37:28.000 He's a former journalist for the New York Times, and he wrote a book on COVID. He wrote a series of three booklets about all the things that we're doing wrong, particularly the lockdowns.

00:37:37.000 He's like, these are the worst things you could do because it's also...

00:37:39.000 The worst environment for COVID to spread is when people are stuck indoors.

00:37:44.000 You're actually seeing upticks in the virus during the places with the most lockdowns, like Los Angeles, which has the worst lockdowns and the biggest fucking spread of COVID. It's crazy.

00:37:58.000 But he's adamant about it.

00:38:01.000 It's age-dependent and it's comorbidity-dependent.

00:38:04.000 The people that are dying, they have an average of 2.6 comorbidities, the people that are dying from COVID. Only 6% of the people who died from COVID actually died from COVID. Most of them are dying from COVID. The way he put it is dying with COVID. It doesn't mean it's not dangerous,

00:38:20.000 but it's not dangerous to you.

00:38:22.000 And it's not dangerous to Jamie.

00:38:23.000 Jamie kicked it in a day.

00:38:24.000 Tony Hinchcliffe, who fucking barely works out, I called him today.

00:38:28.000 He said he feels 100%.

00:38:29.000 He had COVID two days ago.

00:38:31.000 He tested positive.

00:38:32.000 He said it felt like shit.

00:38:33.000 Yesterday he didn't feel too good.

00:38:34.000 Today he feels 100%.

00:38:35.000 So he basically had a day and a half of feeling shitty.

00:38:38.000 And the whole country shut down for that.

00:38:41.000 But the people that are vulnerable are really vulnerable.

00:38:44.000 Older people.

00:38:45.000 Sick people.

00:38:46.000 But what it is is...

00:38:49.000 Andrew Schultz said it best that this disease has exposed a vulnerability in our health and a vulnerability economically.

00:38:59.000 That people can't be out of work for a few months.

00:39:02.000 They can't shut down for a few months.

00:39:03.000 Even big companies need that money coming in constantly to maintain the business model.

00:39:09.000 And with people's health, There's a lot of people that, like yourself or like Jamie or Tony, that they get it and it's nothing.

00:39:17.000 But there's a lot of people that are very vulnerable because they're just not healthy.

00:39:21.000 They're not taking care of themselves.

00:39:22.000 They're not exercising.

00:39:23.000 They're not watching their nutrition.

00:39:25.000 They're not taking supplements.

00:39:26.000 And when they get hit, they get hit hard.

00:39:28.000 That's probably half the nation, though.

00:39:29.000 It's a big chunk.

00:39:30.000 So wouldn't it make more sense that they stay inside?

00:39:33.000 Yes.

00:39:34.000 They walk down.

00:39:35.000 They stay away.

00:39:37.000 Hey, wouldn't it make more sense if Hey, healthy people work and we're all going to pay this extra tax.

00:39:43.000 I hate that word.

00:39:44.000 We're going to pay an extra tax to support them while they're doing it and as opposed to shut everything down and kill a million to save a thousand.

00:39:53.000 They didn't know, man.

00:39:54.000 When this all started out, I just think no one knew what the fuck it was.

00:39:57.000 They thought it was going to be way worse than it was and they haven't course corrected.

00:40:01.000 Right.

00:40:01.000 And do you think there's any relation at all, since you love to go down rabbit holes, do you think there's any relation at all to the fact that all these huge companies like Amazon and Google are making billions of dollars right now, as long as mom and pop are closed?

00:40:16.000 People can't get what they want from their store, so they go right to online.

00:40:20.000 I don't think so.

00:40:21.000 I think they're profiting from it.

00:40:23.000 I think they're taking advantage of a vulnerability and an availability.

00:40:27.000 I don't think they have anything to do with it happening in the first place.

00:40:30.000 Oh, no, no.

00:40:31.000 They didn't have anything to do with it in the first place.

00:40:32.000 But as you said, as we're learning and going down the road.

00:40:35.000 No, I think it's politicians.

00:40:36.000 I think they're just cowards.

00:40:37.000 Who are they lobbied by?

00:40:38.000 Yeah, there's a little of that, but I just think that would be such a fucking scandal.

00:40:42.000 Like, if they were saying, like, let's keep these businesses shut so that Amazon can thrive.

00:40:48.000 Luckily, you're raising your eyebrows.

00:40:51.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

00:40:53.000 Don't quote me, boy.

00:40:54.000 I ain't said shit.

00:40:55.000 Yeah.

00:40:56.000 It's interesting to think about it that way, and a lot of people are conspiratorially minded and they look at it that way.

00:41:03.000 Eddie thinks China's taking over.

00:41:05.000 I don't think he thinks China released the virus on purpose, but if you were really conspiratorially minded, that's what you would think.

00:41:14.000 You would think that China did it on purpose to crash the economy, and then they start buying up all these corporations, which they are doing.

00:41:19.000 Yeah.

00:41:20.000 And then I'm hearing...

00:41:21.000 I have no idea about this, but I'm hearing...

00:41:23.000 I'm getting texts from people like, dude, they're set up in Toronto.

00:41:25.000 They're set up in Canada.

00:41:26.000 Oh, as long as you're getting texts.

00:41:28.000 They're set up in Mexico.

00:41:29.000 We're surrounded.

00:41:30.000 By who?

00:41:31.000 China?

00:41:31.000 Yeah.

00:41:31.000 And Jocko's just like...

00:41:34.000 Bring it.

00:41:35.000 I'm ready.

00:41:35.000 Bring it.

00:41:35.000 Yeah, all caps.

00:41:36.000 I'm ready.

00:41:37.000 Yeah.

00:41:39.000 He's my go-to.

00:41:40.000 Whenever I get panicked, I call Dad.

00:41:42.000 Choco, what's going on here?

00:41:44.000 What are we looking at?

00:41:46.000 Don't worry about it.

00:41:47.000 We got it.

00:41:48.000 Yeah, he got COVID, and I said, how are you feeling?

00:41:50.000 He goes, not a factor.

00:41:51.000 Yeah.

00:41:51.000 That was all caps.

00:41:53.000 Not a factor.

00:41:54.000 I was working at the jiu-jitsu school one day, and I'm under the counter trying to screw some lights in, and I hear, God, what?

00:42:01.000 And I'm like, I got scared.

00:42:03.000 And I looked up, and he's standing there, and I'm like, oh, Jaco.

00:42:07.000 Well, he's a guy who's been real smart with his business, too, because he opened up Origin, which they sell geese, they sell really cool stretchy pants, and they sell homemade boots.

00:42:15.000 I got a pair of his homemade boots.

00:42:17.000 They're fucking excellent.

00:42:19.000 American-made, factory in Maine, all stitched together by hand, all done by hand.

00:42:26.000 When I put them on, I feel like I bought something that a guy made.

00:42:31.000 It feels legit.

00:42:35.000 I'm not getting it from Nike or someone.

00:42:37.000 I'm getting it from a person.

00:42:38.000 Your kids are much older right now, but I read the kids books.

00:42:43.000 Oh, no.

00:42:44.000 My daughter loves his book.

00:42:45.000 Yeah.

00:42:46.000 My youngest are 10 and 12. Yeah.

00:42:49.000 Okay.

00:42:49.000 All right.

00:42:50.000 So you can still read to him.

00:42:51.000 Yeah.

00:42:51.000 I read to my boys and girls.

00:42:52.000 If I try to read to my 24-year-old, she's not going to love him.

00:42:55.000 Every night I read to him, and they love hearing about Uncle Jake.

00:42:59.000 But he did a book that didn't get a lot.

00:43:01.000 It's been kind of quiet with the Mikey and the Dragon book, okay?

00:43:04.000 Yeah.

00:43:05.000 Mikey Slays the Dragon, I think.

00:43:06.000 I don't want to miscoat it.

00:43:07.000 He'll punch me in the face, but...

00:43:08.000 I read it, and I'm not kidding you as a father with your kids, and you have that moment where you're reading to them.

00:43:15.000 There's a heavy moment in there where the dad had died, and then Mikey's reading his letter to him.

00:43:21.000 And it's like, I well up.

00:43:22.000 I have to stop for a second and read it.

00:43:25.000 But it's so good, and it's such a great story.

00:43:28.000 And it's like, for a guy who is in leadership, a warrior, and went through that organization, he's very creative in his endeavors of writing and working.

00:43:41.000 His thinking on that.

00:43:42.000 It almost doesn't make sense.

00:43:44.000 Well, it does, because he gets good at everything he does.

00:43:46.000 Yeah, I guess so.

00:43:48.000 You implement the jujitsu mindset, right?

00:43:51.000 Where you're going to focus, you're going to train at it, you're going to train hard, and you're going to have that kind of horse blinders on and just go for that.

00:43:59.000 Yeah, he's smart with everything he does.

00:44:01.000 And to have a blind spot where your creativity is unbalanced or your creativity sucks, he would never allow that.

00:44:09.000 That would be a weakness.

00:44:11.000 He told me a story he wants me to draw him for his studio.

00:44:14.000 This marine coming out of this foxhole with knives and hatchets covered, clothes ripped off.

00:44:20.000 And it was a true story about a guy.

00:44:22.000 And so I've almost been intimidated to dive into that because I'm like, it would never be good enough in his mind.

00:44:28.000 Well, it's how do you do if you haven't experienced that?

00:44:31.000 That's one of those things.

00:44:32.000 You could easily paint someone in a jujitsu match, but you haven't been to war.

00:44:39.000 Right.

00:44:39.000 So how do you do that without making it embarrassing or making it foolish?

00:44:47.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:44:47.000 I know exactly what you're saying.

00:44:49.000 When I was in my animation days...

00:44:51.000 I would get directors call me in and say, hey, we're going to have Ranger Smith fight with Yogi Bear, but they need to look like they're really fighting.

00:44:58.000 And they would ask me, they're like, well, how do you do this?

00:45:00.000 And I'm like, well, I'm not a fighter.

00:45:01.000 I just do jujitsu.

00:45:02.000 And I know that really well.

00:45:03.000 And they say, well, we're going to have them put them in the guard and they're going to roll around.

00:45:06.000 And I'm like, okay, do it like this.

00:45:09.000 And he loved it.

00:45:10.000 And John Kay, who did Ren and Stimpy, he was...

00:45:14.000 Obsessed with jujitsu and UFC really as he would have huge parties at his house every UFC and Tank Abbott was his favorite guy and and he would want to integrate those Fighting moves into his cartoons and they would always get blowback from networks and such and and So,

00:45:30.000 I mean, there's a great documentary, the Ren and Stimpy Happy Happy Joy Joy, that I sent it to you.

00:45:35.000 Yeah.

00:45:35.000 And I don't know if you can see it.

00:45:36.000 I think it's on Apple.

00:45:37.000 It's everywhere.

00:45:38.000 Yeah.

00:45:38.000 But I had a small hand in that with some fucking chemo, and they're awesome dudes.

00:45:44.000 And they did a beautiful documentary on the whole history of that show and the failure of it.

00:45:49.000 And it has a lot to do with just that mental inner genius going over the edge.

00:45:56.000 Yeah.

00:45:56.000 And I see that a lot.

00:45:58.000 You have to see it a lot.

00:45:59.000 Somebody's on path and they're doing something so great and then all of a sudden it just starts twisting and going in a different direction.

00:46:04.000 But in their mind, it's still great.

00:46:07.000 I mean, how do you contend with your own writing abilities?

00:46:11.000 For me, I feel like I have this kind of black hole that everything I'm doing I'm trying to fill in.

00:46:17.000 And I know I've heard only stories of comedians who are like, well, we're all kind of like...

00:46:22.000 That we're using this comedy to put band-aids on.

00:46:24.000 And I don't know if that's a thing with you at all.

00:46:27.000 Because you have outlets like working out and fighting and you're healthy.

00:46:31.000 That keeps me sane.

00:46:32.000 It does.

00:46:33.000 It keeps me too.

00:46:34.000 It keeps my approach to comedy reasonably healthy too.

00:46:39.000 The way I describe it is I... Make my own bullshit.

00:46:44.000 I don't like to have real struggle in my life, so I make brutal workouts, and I put myself through a horrific struggle.

00:46:53.000 So the regular life, like the other struggles, is easy.

00:46:57.000 I'll tell people, come work out with me.

00:47:00.000 You want to feel like shit?

00:47:02.000 You want to feel like shit?

00:47:03.000 You want to feel like it never ends?

00:47:05.000 You want to feel like you can't do this?

00:47:08.000 Come do that.

00:47:09.000 And then once you do do it, then other things feel easier.

00:47:13.000 It's like Jocko.

00:47:14.000 Jocko, you look at his Instagram.

00:47:16.000 Every fucking morning, the aftermath, and he'll show you a puddle of sweat on the ground, some fucking sweaty kettlebells, jump ropes, dip rings, whatever the fuck it is he did that day.

00:47:28.000 Beat yourself up in that way, and then you're not mind-fucking yourself the way you do if you have all this unchecked, unbridled energy and angst, and you don't have a handle on it.

00:47:40.000 And I don't think it affects your creativity.

00:47:42.000 I think in any way, there it is, always.

00:47:44.000 Yeah, it's just...

00:47:45.000 The aftermath.

00:47:47.000 Kettlebells had a bad attitude this morning.

00:47:52.000 But to do that, in my mind, is the best way to deal with the things that we all deal with.

00:47:59.000 Everybody's got some sort of internal struggle.

00:48:03.000 Everybody's got some demons.

00:48:05.000 Dark passenger.

00:48:05.000 Yeah, there's always something.

00:48:07.000 It's very hard to keep the mind on track.

00:48:10.000 Very hard.

00:48:10.000 I woke up the other night to take a piss.

00:48:13.000 And just a normal thing.

00:48:14.000 I drank too much water before I went to bed.

00:48:16.000 I woke up at like 3 o'clock in the morning to take a piss.

00:48:17.000 I went back to bed and my fucking brain started racing.

00:48:21.000 All the time happens.

00:48:21.000 Thinking about everything.

00:48:22.000 And I never got to sleep again.

00:48:24.000 My alarm clock went off at 8 and I was like, fuck.

00:48:27.000 I sat in my fucking bed for hours and hours trying to think about my breathing and just slowly put myself into a trance.

00:48:34.000 Nope.

00:48:35.000 Never went there.

00:48:36.000 All I was doing was just thinking about this and thinking about that and my mind got away from me.

00:48:40.000 And it happens still to this day.

00:48:42.000 Most of the time it doesn't.

00:48:43.000 Like last night I was real calm about it.

00:48:46.000 I'm like, it's not going to happen again, you motherfucker.

00:48:47.000 I am going to get a full night's sleep and I'm not going to get crazy.

00:48:51.000 I talk to myself the same way.

00:48:53.000 I'm like, you son of a bitch.

00:48:55.000 Just one idea in my head that I'm thinking about.

00:48:57.000 Things that I need to do or things that I need to correct or things that I need to work on and then I'll get lost.

00:49:02.000 And I'm like, fuck!

00:49:04.000 I hate when I think about minutia, like something I said a week ago to someone and I wish I wouldn't have said that.

00:49:09.000 I wish I would have said it differently or a business deal that I felt I could have done better at.

00:49:15.000 And I start thinking of that and I'm like, that is gone.

00:49:18.000 Why are you wasting your time?

00:49:20.000 So sometimes as an artist, I try to think of a blank piece of paper and I picture a hand and a pencil just touching that paper.

00:49:27.000 Like I try to go to sleep to that, just like, Don't draw anything.

00:49:30.000 Don't do anything.

00:49:31.000 Just stare at that white paper and try to fade.

00:49:33.000 And I can't.

00:49:34.000 I mean, sometimes I feel like it works, but a lot of times it doesn't.

00:49:37.000 Or I have an angst.

00:49:39.000 I probably said something to the wife that I regret and I'm just laying there and my stomach's on fire and I'm just burning and I'm like...

00:49:47.000 But that's also because you want to be a better person.

00:49:50.000 Definitely.

00:49:50.000 I'm trying.

00:49:51.000 I think moving here for me was the best thing I could have done to get out of LA. As we said earlier, you're around so many people that are all trying to make it.

00:50:02.000 They're all trying in this...

00:50:03.000 I call it crabs in a bucket.

00:50:05.000 The minute you start to get to the top, the other fingers come up and pull the crab back down and And you're in this environment.

00:50:11.000 And it's like a wolf pack of wolves.

00:50:14.000 And when one shows weakness or is bleeding, all of them jump on that wolf and just like bark and bite.

00:50:19.000 But then you go home.

00:50:21.000 And you bring that to the table at home.

00:50:23.000 At least I did.

00:50:24.000 I do.

00:50:25.000 And it's so hard on our spouses.

00:50:27.000 And they have to deal with that.

00:50:29.000 And how strong are they to stay with us this long and to deal with that?

00:50:33.000 Well, that's where training comes in, don't you think?

00:50:35.000 Training just pushes all that out of your system.

00:50:38.000 For me.

00:50:40.000 Yes, but it doesn't push it out of the system.

00:50:42.000 You created the mess, the hornet's nest at home.

00:50:46.000 Does your wife train with you at all ever?

00:50:47.000 No.

00:50:48.000 She works out a lot, though.

00:50:51.000 She'll work out, but not on the level of a ton.

00:50:54.000 And I want to get her into jiu-jitsu because I feel like the movement, right?

00:50:58.000 Even like, you know, she'll say, I don't want sweaty people crushing me.

00:51:02.000 I go, okay, fine.

00:51:02.000 Just work with me and let's just move and get that movement down.

00:51:05.000 Right.

00:51:06.000 And just sweat.

00:51:07.000 And you'll be amazed at how much you'll just break sweat and be tired and your legs will be sore the next day from just do 50 armbar drills.

00:51:14.000 You know, just get that movement in.

00:51:16.000 And, you know, I use jujitsu every day of my life in work and just the dealings and talking.

00:51:24.000 Yeah, but jiu-jitsu also, it calms the monkey mind.

00:51:29.000 That fucking aggressive part of a man's mind where you're combative and aggressive.

00:51:34.000 Jiu-jitsu calms all that down because the kind of aggression that you get in jiu-jitsu, like really dealing with someone actually trying to strangle you, like in defending and then trying to strangle them and trying to get the tap.

00:51:46.000 That kind of aggression is so extreme in comparison to the average person's everyday life that when you get through that, I think everything else just seems much more calm.

00:51:55.000 It's the greatest feeling driving home after a hard workout and you've got the windows down and it's a little chilly outside and you've got that inner core fire going and you're exhausted.

00:52:05.000 You're depleted.

00:52:06.000 You're just like...

00:52:07.000 And you can sleep good.

00:52:08.000 Yeah, I always sleep good after training.

00:52:10.000 I always sleep good after a hard day, you know?

00:52:12.000 A difficult, long, tough day is good for you, you know?

00:52:16.000 It just, like, calms the mind down.

00:52:18.000 When I don't do anything, that's when I'm at my worst.

00:52:21.000 Like, if I take a couple days off and just lay around and fuck off, that's when my mind starts racing.

00:52:26.000 I start thinking about all kinds of shit, and just, I'm not, I have too much energy.

00:52:31.000 Do you ever feel you deserve a little day off, or is that when you go hunting and you're like, I'm on hunting now?

00:52:36.000 Well, Hunting feels like...

00:52:39.000 Because that's work.

00:52:40.000 Yeah, but it is a day off.

00:52:42.000 It's a day off of my regular life.

00:52:44.000 Like, I enjoy it, but it's hard.

00:52:46.000 Like, the kind of hunting I do, too, is mountain bow hunting.

00:52:49.000 Right.

00:52:49.000 You're walking and hiking for a long ways.

00:52:51.000 Yeah.

00:52:52.000 Carrying rucksacks.

00:52:53.000 And it's just...

00:52:54.000 It's also...

00:52:56.000 You've got to get to a spot while the wind is blowing correctly.

00:53:00.000 You've got to hustle, and then you've got to keep your shit together when you're trying to center your pin on an elk's vitals and...

00:53:07.000 It's not easy.

00:53:08.000 And it's hard to execute a shot.

00:53:10.000 It's hard.

00:53:11.000 Bow hunting is fucking difficult.

00:53:13.000 It's not easy.

00:53:13.000 Would you ever have thought you were going to be a hunter?

00:53:16.000 No!

00:53:16.000 10 years ago?

00:53:18.000 10 years ago, yeah.

00:53:19.000 10 years ago, I was obsessed with it, before I ever did it.

00:53:21.000 I started hunting 8 years ago.

00:53:23.000 And around 11, 12 years ago, I started really thinking about it.

00:53:27.000 I started watching Ted Nugent's Spirit of the Wild on TV. Wow, man.

00:53:31.000 And I started paying attention to websites that talked about hunting and talked about, you know, just different aspects of what it feels like to acquire your own meat in the wild.

00:53:46.000 And then I started paying attention to PETA videos, man.

00:53:49.000 That's one of the reasons that I got into it.

00:53:51.000 I had decided that I was either going to become a vegetarian or I was going to hunt because I was watching these factory farming videos and Fuck, man.

00:53:59.000 They freaked me out.

00:54:00.000 You know, watching just abusive animals and chickens stuffed into these little tiny pens and what kind of life was that?

00:54:07.000 And I was like, am I contributing to this?

00:54:09.000 Like, what kind of fucking hellish karma am I bringing on with this, you know, being a part of the system?

00:54:17.000 And so I was trying to figure it out.

00:54:19.000 I was like, well, maybe I'll just become a vegetarian or maybe I'll become a hunter.

00:54:22.000 And so the first hunting I ever did ever was on a television show.

00:54:27.000 I hunted on Steve Rinella's Meat Eater.

00:54:29.000 Oh, that's awesome.

00:54:30.000 I shot a buck, and we ate the liver over a fire.

00:54:33.000 And that night, I was like, I am going to be a hunter.

00:54:37.000 I know what I want to do.

00:54:38.000 It's so much more than that, though.

00:54:39.000 It's the camaraderie.

00:54:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:54:42.000 The fire.

00:54:43.000 You're cooking.

00:54:44.000 You become friends with exceptional people, like jujitsu, right?

00:54:48.000 It's very similar.

00:54:49.000 A person to get good at jujitsu like yourself, a person who gets to the black belt level, you have to be an exceptional person.

00:54:56.000 It's very difficult to do.

00:54:58.000 It's hard.

00:54:59.000 It's hard to endure and to get through the struggle.

00:55:04.000 You're battling all these demons and all this shit to get to that point.

00:55:08.000 It's the same thing with hunting.

00:55:09.000 The people that get really good at hunting, especially bow hunting, those are exceptional people.

00:55:15.000 It is not easy to do.

00:55:17.000 The guys that excel at it, the guys like Cam Haynes and John Dudley and all these guys, Remy Warren, guys that I know, these are exceptional human beings.

00:55:25.000 They have...

00:55:26.000 Exceptional character, exceptional mental strength and fortitude, exceptional discipline.

00:55:31.000 They're not normal humans.

00:55:33.000 It's awesome being around that energy, too.

00:55:34.000 You feed off of it and you're like, I get it.

00:55:37.000 And also, for me, I was really fortunate to find a place like John Jock's, right?

00:55:43.000 So I'm learning from a real master, right?

00:55:46.000 It's been the same thing with bow hunting.

00:55:48.000 I was really fortunate to learn...

00:55:50.000 From guys like Cam Haynes and John Dudley.

00:55:52.000 Learning from like real masters who've been studying this craft that's also the way they acquire their food.

00:55:59.000 I mean, it's not just hunting.

00:56:01.000 It's also this insane discipline that's a lifestyle.

00:56:04.000 And then when you're eating your food, like I'm going to give you some elk today.

00:56:07.000 When you're eating this food, no, I put an arrow.

00:56:11.000 I ran an arrow through that elk.

00:56:13.000 That's how that elk is on this table.

00:56:15.000 I remember the hunt.

00:56:17.000 I remember everything about it.

00:56:18.000 I remember all of it.

00:56:19.000 That's awesome.

00:56:19.000 Yeah, it's the best way to acquire meat, in my mind.

00:56:23.000 I grew up in a hunting family, hunting household from grandparents to dads and all.

00:56:27.000 My papa used to pick me up at- Your papa?

00:56:31.000 I grew up in San Antonio, Texas, about 120 miles down the road.

00:56:34.000 I'd be in high school at John Marshall, and I'd get a call at noon, please send Todd White to the office, please.

00:56:41.000 I'm like, oh no, my papa's here.

00:56:43.000 And I would get there and he'd be like, let's go get your gun.

00:56:46.000 We're going hunting.

00:56:46.000 Because he was a cantankerous little guy and he didn't have a lot of friends.

00:56:49.000 So he could just pull you out of school and take you home?

00:56:51.000 He would yank me out of school to go hunting with him because he didn't want to go up to the hunting lease alone and he needed someone to do a lot of the work.

00:56:56.000 That's hilarious.

00:56:57.000 So, you know, if he shot something, I'm going to have to skin it and gut it and kill it.

00:57:00.000 Well, he already killed it.

00:57:01.000 But, you know, or we go bird hunting a lot.

00:57:04.000 I love quail hunting.

00:57:05.000 And we'd shoot all ton of bob whites and blues.

00:57:08.000 How many times have you cracked your teeth biting into a pellet?

00:57:11.000 You know what?

00:57:13.000 I never cracked a tooth because I was cautious.

00:57:16.000 You know, I grew up hearing like, bird's been shot, don't go chewing your food, you know, bite into it lightly.

00:57:21.000 Yeah, isn't that funny though?

00:57:22.000 And I would, you spit some out, spitting, spit them out.

00:57:25.000 That's so crazy.

00:57:26.000 And he used to get so angry at me when I would sneak up on a cubby of quail and they would fly up and they'd only be like 10 feet away and I'd be like...

00:57:38.000 and it would just disintegrate and he gets so mad he'd be like let the bird get away from you you pussy you know what are you shooting at that close for so you have to let it get away from you yeah because he would he would feel it gave the bird a chance and it felt like you had to shoot it while it was further going away and supposed to right in front of you and was it because it doesn't destroy the meat yeah you destroy it and he was like you don't destroy them you're eating what you kill yeah and we're not here just to shoot things you're here to I've only been bird hunting a couple times.

00:58:05.000 I went turkey hunting once with Rinella on the same show, Meat Eater.

00:58:08.000 I shot a turkey.

00:58:09.000 And then I went pheasant hunting with Anthony Bourdain.

00:58:13.000 That was fun.

00:58:14.000 Yeah.

00:58:15.000 And he shot one.

00:58:16.000 I shot out.

00:58:16.000 I nicked one.

00:58:17.000 Didn't quite get it.

00:58:18.000 I hit the bottom of his feather.

00:58:20.000 I sent a little bit of feather flying.

00:58:21.000 Where did you go pheasant hunting at?

00:58:22.000 Montana.

00:58:23.000 Ah.

00:58:24.000 Yeah.

00:58:24.000 Outside of Billings.

00:58:25.000 That is one man I really wish I would have met.

00:58:28.000 Oh, I love that dude.

00:58:29.000 God, I wish I would have met.

00:58:30.000 I was such a fan of his show.

00:58:32.000 Yeah.

00:58:33.000 And it was so sad.

00:58:34.000 My wife came in the morning and she goes, you're going to be so sad.

00:58:36.000 And I was like, oh no, what?

00:58:37.000 I found out from Maynard, from Tool.

00:58:40.000 You know, Maynard does jiu-jitsu.

00:58:42.000 Yeah.

00:58:42.000 Or Dane was obsessed with jiu-jitsu.

00:58:44.000 Did they ever roll together?

00:58:45.000 No.

00:58:46.000 So this is the thing.

00:58:46.000 Maynard sends me a text message.

00:58:48.000 I'm in Chicago.

00:58:48.000 I'm doing stand-up.

00:58:50.000 And I wake up in the morning, I got a text message from Maynard.

00:58:52.000 It says, well, I guess that Bourdain versus Maynard jujitsu match is never going to happen.

00:59:00.000 So I looked at the text, I'm like, what does that mean?

00:59:04.000 So I think of calling him, and I think I googled it.

00:59:09.000 I think I googled Anthony Bourdain.

00:59:11.000 I think that's what happened.

00:59:13.000 But all I remember is the moment I found out.

00:59:15.000 I honestly...

00:59:16.000 I know I got the inkling from him, but I don't remember what I read.

00:59:20.000 But I remember just...

00:59:22.000 Just this sinking feeling, like, fuck.

00:59:25.000 And the feeling you always have when someone you know kills himself, which is like, what could I have done?

00:59:30.000 What could I have done?

00:59:32.000 If I was there, and I felt like if I was there, that wouldn't have happened.

00:59:35.000 If I was there, I would have talked him down off the ledge.

00:59:38.000 I would have been there.

00:59:39.000 He's had a horrible relationship with this woman.

00:59:42.000 And she was a mess, and he was a mess with her, and then he had a horrible relationship with alcohol, too.

00:59:49.000 He was a junkie for a long time.

00:59:55.000 Like when we were partying in Montana when we shot the quail or shot the pheasant and we were eating, you know, we camped out, eating over the fire.

01:00:04.000 Bro, that guy got fucked up.

01:00:06.000 I mean, he got fucked up at a level like, you know, I don't get that fucked up.

01:00:11.000 Like, he kept going.

01:00:12.000 Like, he kept going.

01:00:13.000 We were stoned.

01:00:14.000 We were drunk.

01:00:15.000 He's like, what else you got?

01:00:16.000 You got more pot?

01:00:16.000 You got more booze?

01:00:18.000 Open that bottle.

01:00:19.000 I'm like, Jesus Christ.

01:00:20.000 I'm sitting here barely hanging on to this log, trying to sit in front of the fire.

01:00:25.000 And he just got blasted.

01:00:27.000 He was escaping.

01:00:29.000 Yeah, hiding.

01:00:30.000 Burying the pain.

01:00:31.000 Yeah, he was escaping something.

01:00:34.000 But he was obsessed with jiu-jitsu, man.

01:00:36.000 He really loved it.

01:00:37.000 He had a competition he did.

01:00:38.000 He entered into competition.

01:00:41.000 He was training all the time.

01:00:42.000 He developed a six-pack.

01:00:43.000 He went from being a guy with a little punch, little fat belly, to being a guy who was pretty ripped.

01:00:52.000 He was doing a lot of exercises and training basically every day.

01:00:57.000 He was training every day on the road.

01:00:59.000 Look at him there, man.

01:01:00.000 Cut the fuck up.

01:01:02.000 That was a guy who was...

01:01:04.000 I don't think he even got on a mat until he was 59 or something like that.

01:01:09.000 His ex-wife, Otavia, she's really into jiu-jitsu.

01:01:16.000 Yeah.

01:01:17.000 I think she's...

01:01:19.000 She might be a black belt now.

01:01:20.000 Wait a minute.

01:01:20.000 Is that on the right-hand corner?

01:01:22.000 Scroll back to the left side, Jamie, right there.

01:01:24.000 Is that Joe?

01:01:25.000 No, it's not.

01:01:26.000 No.

01:01:26.000 No, I never trained with him.

01:01:28.000 We did some...

01:01:30.000 When we were in Montana, I showed him some stuff.

01:01:33.000 We were just rolling around a little bit.

01:01:35.000 Not even rolling around a little bit.

01:01:36.000 He was asking me questions.

01:01:37.000 And I was like, what do you like to do?

01:01:41.000 Talking about darts chokes.

01:01:42.000 I said, do you know what a Japanese necktie is?

01:01:45.000 And he said, no.

01:01:45.000 And I showed him that.

01:01:46.000 I'm like, if you can't get the darts, you can do the Japanese necktie.

01:01:48.000 So we're demonstrating some stuff.

01:01:50.000 So we're rolling around together on the fucking dirt.

01:01:53.000 That's awesome, though, right?

01:01:54.000 Because that's something you can share.

01:01:56.000 There's not a lot of people that you can...

01:01:58.000 Yeah, jiu-jitsu people are like, get on your back, get on your back.

01:02:00.000 And they'll get on top of you.

01:02:01.000 Other people are like, what the fuck are you doing, man?

01:02:04.000 Yeah.

01:02:05.000 He had another guy that he worked with that was really into jiu-jitsu, too, that was a friend of his.

01:02:10.000 It was just this fucking sinking, shitty feeling where you just feel like you could have done better, but you don't know what you could have done.

01:02:20.000 And then you're probably lying to yourself.

01:02:23.000 Unless I was in France with him when it happened, I'm not going to stop it.

01:02:27.000 And it's also, I recognize from the night hanging out with him partying.

01:02:32.000 I had drank with him before.

01:02:34.000 I'd gone to dinner with him a bunch of times before.

01:02:36.000 But camping is a different animal.

01:02:40.000 Camping's awesome.

01:02:41.000 Camping, you really get down to the meat and potatoes of brohood, and you just get to hang with dudes, and y'all share intimate stories about things and passions and addictions.

01:02:50.000 Also the stars.

01:02:52.000 It's just your outside.

01:02:53.000 It's so primal.

01:02:54.000 It's the way it was.

01:02:56.000 I believe we all have...

01:02:57.000 People who are at this level, we all have addictions in one way or another, and how we guide that addiction and where it goes.

01:03:06.000 Well, what leads you to get really good at things is an obsession.

01:03:10.000 An obsession and addiction are next-door neighbors.

01:03:13.000 They're really close to each other.

01:03:15.000 They're very close.

01:03:16.000 It's all dependent upon which one is healthy and which one is negative and degrades your life.

01:03:23.000 And the addictions degrade your life and the obsessions enhance your success.

01:03:28.000 But they're real close to each other sometimes.

01:03:30.000 I've been Obsessed with things that proved to be beneficial financially and career-wise, but part of me has got to go, man, I don't know how healthy it is that I'm so obsessed with this.

01:03:42.000 Like stand-up comedy early on in my career was a little bit unhealthy.

01:03:44.000 I was so obsessed with it.

01:03:46.000 I was just so driven.

01:03:48.000 And jujitsu and martial arts, for sure when I was fighting, I was very obsessed with that.

01:03:54.000 And it led to good consequences, but...

01:03:57.000 That is so close to a gambling addiction.

01:04:01.000 It just has to be switched a little.

01:04:04.000 It's like a lot of guys when they end up fighting, they stop fighting, they wind up being coke addicts.

01:04:09.000 Well, they're going into another avenue.

01:04:11.000 But obviously there's good ones and bad ones.

01:04:14.000 You're on several good paths.

01:04:15.000 You can use it to your benefit.

01:04:17.000 But I think the same thing that leads you to be obsessed with things and get really good at that You've got to be real careful because that same sort of mental focus can also lead you to get addicted to things.

01:04:32.000 Yeah, I mean, I've never tried any drugs all the way through like the age of 32. I never got high.

01:04:38.000 I never touched weed until 32. I never got drunk until I was 32. Really?

01:04:42.000 Ever.

01:04:42.000 What happened 32?

01:04:44.000 Just fuck heroin, coke, let's party!

01:04:46.000 I've never done that.

01:04:47.000 Now I'm partying!

01:04:48.000 Now it's on.

01:04:49.000 It's all just shove it in me.

01:04:50.000 End over.

01:04:50.000 Here's my ass.

01:04:51.000 Take it off.

01:04:52.000 Woo!

01:04:53.000 No, my whole family, in one way or another, have addictive personalities.

01:04:57.000 And I knew I did.

01:04:58.000 For me, early on, it was baseball.

01:05:00.000 I was super addicted.

01:05:01.000 And then when that wasn't going to pan out, it became art.

01:05:02.000 And I'd always done art, so it was easy to shift right into it.

01:05:06.000 And I knew if I did something that would distract from my goal of art, that I would go down that path and I would start doing stuff.

01:05:16.000 And if it felt good and I loved it, I would dive into it full of holly.

01:05:20.000 That's why, thank God, at the time I found jiu-jitsu.

01:05:22.000 Because for my life, it just became jujitsu and art, jujitsu and art.

01:05:25.000 That's the case with so many people.

01:05:27.000 Jujitsu literally saves their life.

01:05:28.000 Yeah, it was, man, I was a, you know, my dad always came up, the world's out to get them.

01:05:35.000 Everybody's out to get you.

01:05:36.000 You know, they're going to stab you in the back and very untrusting with everything.

01:05:40.000 And so I kind of came with that anger and he was an angry dude and I had a lot of anger in me early on.

01:05:45.000 I'm telling you, man, getting into that school, and particularly that school, I think, because I've heard stories at other places that were run a little different, and John Jack was such a Jesus character, if you will.

01:05:59.000 He had this compassion and this patience, and he would show you stuff and talk to you, and his demeanor wasn't aggro.

01:06:07.000 He didn't think he was a UFC fighter.

01:06:09.000 He was just like, no, you want to move like this and move like that and shift your body and And, and following his, that and the patients and focusing with that, it made me a lot more calm.

01:06:21.000 Having another man choke the life out of you makes you calm, you know, like, keeps you calm under that stress, that duress, you know, like, He'll be standing over you and someone's trying to wrap you up and he's like, protect your neck, protect your neck, you know, get your back to the floor, turn into him, you know.

01:06:36.000 And so you have that slowness to look and pay attention at the same time you're defending and fighting and looking and sweats going everywhere and people are spitting on each other and you're turning into it.

01:06:47.000 And it was, I mean, I take that to this day, you know, when things get, you know, someone's in my face barking about something or, you know, you get in the art world, you get these people that are really big pants, but they would cower if you stood up.

01:07:00.000 What do you mean in the art world?

01:07:01.000 You know, you get publishers, you get gallery owners that are just going to bark at you and tell you the way it is.

01:07:05.000 You're going to do this.

01:07:06.000 Do they really?

01:07:06.000 Oh, yeah.

01:07:07.000 Oh, yeah.

01:07:08.000 Really?

01:07:08.000 In the art world?

01:07:09.000 Oh, I'm telling you, man.

01:07:10.000 Tell me.

01:07:12.000 I've dealt with gallery owners who are super bullies, who are like, you're going to do this, I need this now, and you're going to get it today, tomorrow.

01:07:19.000 And they talk to you like that?

01:07:20.000 All the time.

01:07:21.000 And you go...

01:07:22.000 I'm probably not going to do any of that.

01:07:24.000 And the thing is, I like to be super calm.

01:07:27.000 And it's almost like mind jujitsu, where I go, all that huffing and puffing you're doing doesn't affect me one bit.

01:07:34.000 If you want to go to sleep, I can accommodate that.

01:07:37.000 But we're not going to go down that road.

01:07:42.000 That's interesting.

01:07:43.000 I would never have bothered the art world.

01:07:45.000 It can be a dirty world.

01:07:46.000 I've had galleries that knocked me off.

01:07:48.000 My own galleries start ripping me off and producing work of mine out the back door and signing my name.

01:07:54.000 Like making prints of your shit?

01:07:55.000 That's right.

01:07:56.000 Wow.

01:07:57.000 And fake signing your name?

01:07:59.000 Yep.

01:08:00.000 Yep.

01:08:01.000 Caught them.

01:08:02.000 And then they said, oh, no, we got that from China and we're suing you.

01:08:08.000 And they come after me.

01:08:09.000 They got it from China?

01:08:11.000 Yeah, they would make up shit.

01:08:11.000 It was all made up, right?

01:08:13.000 We caught them.

01:08:13.000 Where was this gallery?

01:08:15.000 It was in Huntington Beach.

01:08:17.000 Really?

01:08:18.000 And we caught them and we shut it down hard and then they flipped the script.

01:08:25.000 And that's when it was interesting because we were getting calls from a lot of media and press and they were asking me like, oh, you've been referred to as you and your band of thugs went down and took all your art, right?

01:08:37.000 So what I did is I flipped it.

01:08:39.000 I said, I like that title.

01:08:41.000 I'm going to do a painting called Band of Thugs.

01:08:43.000 And I did this, like, old mobster 30s painting of all these dudes and thugs, a band of thugs, and I'm gonna make money off that.

01:08:49.000 And, you know, it was...

01:08:52.000 So did you have to go down there and get your art for that?

01:08:53.000 Oh, yeah!

01:08:54.000 I went and took everything.

01:08:55.000 I got my art back.

01:08:56.000 I'm taking all of it out of here.

01:08:58.000 You're no longer a Todd White gallery.

01:09:00.000 You're done.

01:09:01.000 And soon withered and died after that.

01:09:04.000 It drug out illegal problems and legal cases.

01:09:07.000 How long did it last?

01:09:08.000 About a year and a half.

01:09:09.000 Is that the band of thugs?

01:09:10.000 There it is!

01:09:10.000 Look at that!

01:09:11.000 That's it!

01:09:12.000 Look at the guy missing an eye.

01:09:14.000 Oh, wow.

01:09:16.000 Just a band of thugs, right?

01:09:18.000 You want a band of thugs?

01:09:19.000 There it is.

01:09:20.000 That's great.

01:09:22.000 That's like some...

01:09:23.000 What's that fucking guy?

01:09:25.000 The Butcher?

01:09:26.000 Oh yeah, Bill the Butcher?

01:09:27.000 Bill the Butcher from Gangs of New York.

01:09:29.000 Gangs of New York.

01:09:30.000 Gangs of New York.

01:09:31.000 Go to that picture again.

01:09:32.000 Bill the Butcher.

01:09:33.000 I mean, that is kind of how they're painted like old-timey bad people.

01:09:39.000 Yeah.

01:09:40.000 Yeah, it was funny because this Vanity Fair did an article on it and...

01:09:44.000 And they totally...

01:09:45.000 It's funny because...

01:09:46.000 Vanity Fair did an article on what?

01:09:48.000 The whole scam and the whole bullshit.

01:09:50.000 Yeah, because it made a lot of...

01:09:51.000 You know, she sold a couple hundred thousand dollars in fake art out there.

01:09:55.000 She sold it across international...

01:09:57.000 As a woman?

01:09:58.000 Yeah, as a woman.

01:09:59.000 And international lines and...

01:10:02.000 So she ripped you off to the tune of a couple hundred thousand bucks?

01:10:06.000 Oh yeah.

01:10:07.000 Wow.

01:10:08.000 And it was funny because when it all came out and it was all court cases and stuff, I had galleries calling me because I got scared like, oh no.

01:10:16.000 I had galleries calling me and they're like, hey, we want to carry you.

01:10:19.000 This is 2012. Hey, we want to carry you.

01:10:24.000 And I thought, what's this weird?

01:10:26.000 Like all this bad stuff's happening, but why?

01:10:28.000 So the guy calls me back, an art publisher calls me and he goes, Let me get this right.

01:10:51.000 But, you know, look, truth prevailed, and it worked out, and they're gone, and I'm still thriving.

01:10:56.000 It is a bummer, though, that you'd have to think like that.

01:10:59.000 You would imagine that...

01:11:00.000 See, this is where I'm fucked up, because obviously I don't have any experience in the professional world of art, but...

01:11:07.000 You're thinking that you're dealing with other artists and the people that aren't profit-minded.

01:11:13.000 When I think of artists, I think of creative people that just want to make cool shit and do things.

01:11:18.000 That's awesome to think.

01:11:20.000 That's the problem with marrying your mistress, right?

01:11:23.000 That's the problem with making a business out of something that you really find just to be a passion.

01:11:29.000 It's tough, you know, especially...

01:11:32.000 You have to get in there.

01:11:32.000 Yeah.

01:11:33.000 Yeah.

01:11:33.000 Get in there and wallow in that mire.

01:11:36.000 Ugh.

01:11:36.000 And sometimes there's some ugly sides to it.

01:11:38.000 Did you get eye-to-eye with this lady after she had sold your shit?

01:11:42.000 You know, she ratted herself out accidentally.

01:11:46.000 She was a drunk.

01:11:47.000 And she appeared and needed me to sign an image that sometimes, once in a blue moon, when you're that close to me in L.A., They come up and grab stuff and something got signed by me.

01:12:00.000 So she gives me the signature.

01:12:02.000 She gives me this image.

01:12:03.000 She's like, here, I need you to sign this.

01:12:05.000 And I look at it.

01:12:06.000 Instantly, I know.

01:12:07.000 I'm like, this ain't mine.

01:12:08.000 This is a bad copy.

01:12:10.000 You know how Xerox of a Xerox of a Xerox looks tattered and old?

01:12:14.000 It was all out of focus.

01:12:15.000 It was shorter.

01:12:16.000 It was shorter.

01:12:17.000 And I'm like, I look at her.

01:12:19.000 I go, where'd you get this?

01:12:20.000 And I saw right there in her face.

01:12:23.000 I'm like, she's like, From you!

01:12:29.000 And I was like, I'm going to take this.

01:12:31.000 Now we produce our own everything.

01:12:33.000 I produce everything.

01:12:35.000 So I know the canvas I use.

01:12:37.000 I know the inks I use.

01:12:38.000 I know the color.

01:12:39.000 I know the embellishing gel I use.

01:12:41.000 So I took it.

01:12:42.000 I go, I'm going to keep this.

01:12:44.000 And she's like, okay.

01:12:45.000 And she left.

01:12:45.000 And I call my wife and I go, I think she's ripping us off.

01:12:48.000 And my wife's like, no, no, she wouldn't do that.

01:12:50.000 And I go, I think she is.

01:12:51.000 So I get home and we tear it apart.

01:12:53.000 We break open the canvas.

01:12:54.000 We look at it.

01:12:55.000 We dissect this thing.

01:12:57.000 And sure enough, it was total, total knockoff, total nothing of ours.

01:13:02.000 And so we called that gallery and there was the kid working there.

01:13:06.000 And we're like, hey, we made a mistake.

01:13:08.000 We need some information on some stuff.

01:13:10.000 Like, oh yeah, I have all the files here, here.

01:13:12.000 I'll send them over.

01:13:13.000 And he sends over this stuff, and these numbers don't add up.

01:13:16.000 Because, like I said, it's limited numbers, right?

01:13:18.000 Like money, they have a number on them.

01:13:20.000 So these numbers aren't at all what they had.

01:13:22.000 So they're making up numbers.

01:13:24.000 So we catch that.

01:13:26.000 Then we just start building a case, and I got the LAPD involved.

01:13:29.000 How crazy is this?

01:13:31.000 Through John Jock's school, there was a woman who dealt an art fraud department for the Los Angeles Police Department, right?

01:13:36.000 There's an art fraud department?

01:13:38.000 Who knew?

01:13:38.000 They don't have a looting department.

01:13:40.000 Who knew?

01:13:40.000 They have an art fraud department?

01:13:42.000 They did, until that woman got yanked in for murdering the fiancé of another man's woman so she could marry that dude.

01:13:51.000 Oh!

01:13:52.000 That was a big news, big deal.

01:13:54.000 Right in the middle of handling my shit.

01:13:57.000 So you can imagine that went to nothing, like that disappeared.

01:14:01.000 Whoa.

01:14:03.000 Yeah.

01:14:04.000 She murdered a woman so she could marry the dude?

01:14:06.000 That's right.

01:14:06.000 Jesus, that's a vicious bitch.

01:14:08.000 15 years later, they caught her.

01:14:10.000 Oh my god, she got away with it?

01:14:12.000 DNA evidence.

01:14:13.000 Bite mark.

01:14:15.000 Bite mark?

01:14:16.000 Wait a minute, that's interesting because I had some guys on from the Innocence Project.

01:14:23.000 I know.

01:14:23.000 Josh Dubin and Jason Fong.

01:14:24.000 And Josh Dubin says that bite mark shit is all nonsense.

01:14:28.000 He says that that is all junk science.

01:14:30.000 He says there is no way you can tell from a person biting someone that it's absolutely them.

01:14:36.000 They might have got the wrong person.

01:14:38.000 Legitimately.

01:14:39.000 He said that it's a total junk science.

01:14:42.000 And he explained it in detail on the show.

01:14:45.000 And he has his own podcast.

01:14:47.000 His podcast is called Junk Science.

01:14:50.000 What is Josh's junk science and...

01:14:56.000 I forget the full title of it, but he's dealt with bite marks, with people that think that they can tell where a fire started.

01:15:03.000 He's like a giant percentage of that is horseshit.

01:15:07.000 They bring in these experts.

01:15:08.000 The experts convince the jury and the prosecuting attorneys that they can do this, and they can't.

01:15:14.000 Wrongful conviction, junk science, bite mark evidence.

01:15:18.000 This is Josh...

01:15:19.000 Dude, that lady might have got railroaded.

01:15:21.000 There might be an innocent lady in jail right now going...

01:15:23.000 I just wanted to catch art thieves!

01:15:26.000 I don't know.

01:15:27.000 I don't know how that panned out, but it didn't bode well.

01:15:30.000 The way he says it, man, it's not real.

01:15:32.000 He says it's not real.

01:15:34.000 That's crazy.

01:15:35.000 Yeah.

01:15:35.000 He says they can't.

01:15:36.000 This is a retired L.A. detective sentenced to 27 years to life for 1986 murder.

01:15:42.000 Wow, 15 years later.

01:15:44.000 Look at her though.

01:15:44.000 She's guilty.

01:15:45.000 I don't know.

01:15:46.000 I'm just kidding.

01:15:47.000 I never saw her.

01:15:48.000 I never saw her.

01:15:49.000 It was a phone conversation.

01:15:49.000 Wow.

01:15:50.000 That's nuts.

01:15:51.000 Did she confess?

01:15:52.000 I guess so.

01:15:53.000 I guess so.

01:15:53.000 Because her husband, she was married to a cop.

01:15:56.000 And so her husband trained.

01:15:58.000 Oh my god.

01:16:00.000 So the guy she married, she killed his ex.

01:16:05.000 Oh my god.

01:16:06.000 Girlfriend.

01:16:07.000 Yeah.

01:16:07.000 How'd she kill him?

01:16:08.000 I have no idea.

01:16:09.000 Kill her, brother.

01:16:09.000 I have no idea.

01:16:10.000 I didn't pry too deep.

01:16:11.000 That is dark shit.

01:16:12.000 Sometimes the people we know, you don't ask too many questions.

01:16:15.000 I know.

01:16:15.000 You're like, oh, it happened.

01:16:16.000 Okay.

01:16:16.000 I believe you.

01:16:18.000 Yeah.

01:16:18.000 And it goes down that path.

01:16:20.000 That's the problem with jiu-jitsu.

01:16:22.000 There's a lot of people that are fucking basically assassins.

01:16:25.000 They're training with you.

01:16:26.000 Well, none of that.

01:16:27.000 You get a ton of special forces.

01:16:28.000 We're here in Dripping Springs and we have six retired Navy SEALs that train with us.

01:16:33.000 There's a lot of them out here.

01:16:35.000 They love the food and the music and the scene.

01:16:38.000 Yeah, just Texas in general.

01:16:39.000 And the gun laws are great for now.

01:16:42.000 Yeah.

01:16:42.000 You got your kind of carry yet?

01:16:44.000 I actually just went through the whole course this past weekend.

01:16:48.000 Good.

01:16:48.000 Good for you.

01:16:48.000 Yeah.

01:16:49.000 I was carrying mine.

01:16:50.000 Yeah.

01:16:50.000 That's good.

01:16:51.000 It's a different world out here.

01:16:53.000 It's a great world.

01:16:54.000 Yeah.

01:16:54.000 Let's keep it great.

01:16:55.000 Yes.

01:16:56.000 Yeah.

01:16:57.000 Well, that's the worry about people moving here, right?

01:17:00.000 You know how many people are like, fucking Joe Rogan moved here.

01:17:03.000 Now every goddamn fucking whiny...

01:17:06.000 I hear it a lot.

01:17:07.000 I hear it a lot.

01:17:08.000 What are they saying?

01:17:08.000 They're like, well, first of all, you have such a cachet that there are land developers that are buying up chunks of properties all based off Joe Rogan move there.

01:17:19.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:17:20.000 That comes from the mouth of the land developer.

01:17:24.000 Really?

01:17:25.000 Yeah, because they're clients of mine and they'll tell me like, oh yeah, he's there.

01:17:28.000 He knows that we're buying up properties like crazy.

01:17:32.000 Because I moved here.

01:17:33.000 Because you moved here.

01:17:34.000 Because you are the...

01:17:36.000 You brought Egan...

01:17:38.000 Not Egan, Sheila.

01:17:39.000 Hilarious.

01:17:40.000 You brought Elon Musk.

01:17:42.000 Elon was thinking about moving here already.

01:17:43.000 Because he was already starting up the Tesla factory.

01:17:46.000 Yeah, factory.

01:17:47.000 Yeah.

01:17:49.000 But I'm bringing in a lot of fucking comedians, I'll tell you that.

01:17:53.000 They're coming in.

01:17:54.000 You better get their mind right.

01:17:55.000 Well, we'll get their mind right.

01:17:56.000 I'm bringing them to the range.

01:17:58.000 Good.

01:17:59.000 The idea is to turn Austin into a comedy hub.

01:18:03.000 Because right now, comedy's fucked.

01:18:05.000 What happened?

01:18:05.000 I didn't.

01:18:06.000 Bite mark thing.

01:18:07.000 I want to dig through it real quick before we get too far.

01:18:09.000 It's saliva they had left on it.

01:18:11.000 It tested to find out it was a woman, not two men.

01:18:13.000 They thought she had staged a fake burglary.

01:18:16.000 She staged a fake burglary?

01:18:18.000 Dude, you know, if this whole thing ever collapsed, you could definitely go work for like...

01:18:25.000 Science research centers for detectives.

01:18:27.000 He's the greatest Googler on earth.

01:18:29.000 Oh my god, dude.

01:18:30.000 That's way more definitive.

01:18:31.000 She's guilty as fuck.

01:18:33.000 She just went from could be innocent to guilty as fuck goodbye.

01:18:36.000 That bite mark shit, I used to think it was legit.

01:18:38.000 Like, oh, you could tell by the pattern of the teeth.

01:18:40.000 And Josh was like, no fucking way.

01:18:42.000 You can't tell at all.

01:18:43.000 He's like, it's bullshit.

01:18:44.000 He goes, you could make a mark with a chisel and it looks like teeth patterns.

01:18:48.000 Don't they find sharks who bite surfboards?

01:18:50.000 Yeah, but that's a shark.

01:18:51.000 You know a bite, but you don't know the person who bit you.

01:18:54.000 He was saying that they've had things with people missing teeth, and they said it had to be him because he's missing teeth.

01:19:01.000 Yeah, there's a spot here.

01:19:02.000 No, no.

01:19:03.000 You can't reproduce this.

01:19:06.000 You could make these marks with all kinds of different things.

01:19:09.000 He goes, it doesn't necessarily even have to be a bite.

01:19:12.000 And if it is a bite, you could definitely do it with a bunch of different mouths and have the exact same marking given the same, you know, different circumstances.

01:19:19.000 They got her in a pretty interesting way, too, because she was already in LAPD. She was already there.

01:19:24.000 So they had to, like, fake a different interview that they needed her special expertise on.

01:19:29.000 Staged a one-hour interrogation where they were then, like, saying, oh, by the way, this is the evidence on you.

01:19:37.000 And she was like, am I on candid camera?

01:19:39.000 What's going on?

01:19:40.000 This is crazy.

01:19:40.000 And then try to leave.

01:19:41.000 And they're like, click, click.

01:19:44.000 So the other side of that, they got her in that room because you have to take all your weapons out and leave your weapons.

01:19:51.000 So she didn't have a gun on her.

01:19:53.000 Wow.

01:19:54.000 Yeah, I heard that too.

01:19:55.000 That's heavy.

01:19:57.000 The tangled webs we weave.

01:19:59.000 I wonder what the questions were.

01:20:01.000 Who knows?

01:20:02.000 So, if someone bit someone, let's just get crazy.

01:20:06.000 Let's just get crazy.

01:20:07.000 Let's get crazy.

01:20:08.000 Say you're fucking this guy, and he had a fiancé, and you thought that he was going to stay with the fiancé.

01:20:15.000 Bro, some people are...

01:20:17.000 And you know what?

01:20:18.000 They probably would never kill normally.

01:20:20.000 Like, there are people that would never kill normally and maybe never kill again.

01:20:25.000 But you just get them to that fucking edge.

01:20:28.000 Love.

01:20:29.000 Just get...

01:20:29.000 A lot of times it's love.

01:20:31.000 Love.

01:20:31.000 Might not even...

01:20:32.000 Might not even really be love.

01:20:34.000 It might be desire and lust and possession and ego.

01:20:38.000 And some women just...

01:20:40.000 They get mad at other women, man.

01:20:42.000 There's a different kind of anger.

01:20:44.000 You know, women anger at other women is a fierce anger, man.

01:20:48.000 You want to do something fun next time you're out with whatever your wife at a restaurant or bar or whatever and you have a bar nearby.

01:20:54.000 I do this for a living.

01:20:55.000 I watch people.

01:20:56.000 I watch groups.

01:20:57.000 I watch them interact, okay?

01:20:58.000 And you watch groups of girls interact, whether they're young or older, there is a difference.

01:21:02.000 And older ones, they'll do a lot of still moving, hand gesturing, fidgeting, back and forth talking, a lot of facial expressions with girls.

01:21:13.000 Young girls will get into movement.

01:21:16.000 Young girls will move their bodies around.

01:21:17.000 They'll say stuff and they'll laugh and they'll act out things, right?

01:21:22.000 But you watch dudes, just a group of dudes talking, for the most part, not drunk talking, just at bars talking.

01:21:28.000 They got their drink by their chest.

01:21:30.000 They lean.

01:21:31.000 They lean in.

01:21:32.000 They make a face like, no way.

01:21:35.000 What?

01:21:36.000 That's the dudes talking.

01:21:37.000 So I take all that because I stare.

01:21:39.000 I watch people.

01:21:40.000 Everything I do, I stare.

01:21:42.000 And I can uncomfortably stare.

01:21:43.000 I've had dudes approach me in restaurants and they're like, hey, bro, is there something you need to say?

01:21:51.000 And I'm like, I'm sorry, dude.

01:21:52.000 I was just watching.

01:21:53.000 I'm an artist.

01:21:54.000 I'm just watching, dude.

01:21:54.000 I'm sorry.

01:21:56.000 Here's some of my work.

01:21:58.000 You're checking my wife out, dude?

01:22:00.000 You've been looking at us uncomfortably.

01:22:02.000 I'm like, uh...

01:22:04.000 So now I try to have my wife with me.

01:22:06.000 I'm like, no, no, no.

01:22:08.000 Just looking.

01:22:09.000 Just looking.

01:22:09.000 But I look at the way clothes hang on people.

01:22:13.000 I look at the way dudes wear pants.

01:22:14.000 I look at the way women have dresses.

01:22:16.000 I look at the shoes they're wearing.

01:22:17.000 I'm soaking it in, right?

01:22:18.000 That's my reference.

01:22:20.000 I'm pulling reference on everybody.

01:22:22.000 And you use that for your art?

01:22:23.000 Oh, all the time.

01:22:24.000 That's all I refer to.

01:22:26.000 The one small thing I miss about not being in LA is I miss some of the artists that I was around and the conversations you can have.

01:22:35.000 Probably the same reason you're creating more of a hub here and bringing comedians here because you miss that camaraderie of that feedback.

01:22:41.000 Right?

01:22:41.000 Well, it's also, we need a place to work.

01:22:44.000 You know, comics need a bunch of other comics around just like...

01:22:47.000 To bounce off?

01:22:48.000 Well, yeah.

01:22:49.000 It's almost like, you know, you can't train with all white belts.

01:22:53.000 Right.

01:22:53.000 You won't advance.

01:22:54.000 Right.

01:22:55.000 That's a great analogy.

01:22:56.000 Same thing with...

01:22:57.000 With comedy, you need to be around other killers.

01:23:00.000 You need to feel the vibe.

01:23:01.000 You need to see their timing.

01:23:03.000 You need to feel what it feels like to laugh at somebody else's stuff and be like, ah, it's inspiring.

01:23:09.000 It energizes you.

01:23:10.000 It energizes you.

01:23:11.000 You go, okay, I love that.

01:23:12.000 I'm going to take that now.

01:23:12.000 I got to reach that level, too.

01:23:14.000 It was the best thing about the Comedy Store.

01:23:16.000 It's that we were surrounded by other killers.

01:23:19.000 It's like you would go there on any given night, there would be 10 elite comedians there.

01:23:25.000 And you'd get to see their writing, you'd get to see their performing, and you'd go, wow, it's very, very inspiring.

01:23:33.000 Comedy doesn't exist in a vacuum.

01:23:35.000 We really feed off of each other.

01:23:36.000 We help each other a lot.

01:23:38.000 Same thing in the art world.

01:23:39.000 There's artists, you hang around, my boy Rick, we share ideas, we talk, and it gets you motivated and energized.

01:23:48.000 He's in a totally different genre of jewelry, sculpting, and rings, and I'm like in painting, and we have the same mindset, the same thinking, the same ideas, and it's great to just mill those through and talk them through, and sometimes he'll call you on shit and be like,

01:24:04.000 oh, that's a horrible idea, but I thought it was so great!

01:24:08.000 I think that's the case with people, period.

01:24:11.000 And I bet it's in all walks of life, is that you feed off of other excellent people around you.

01:24:17.000 The more excellent people around you that are doing things and working hard towards things, the more you feel good about it.

01:24:23.000 Like, when I go to Jocko's Instagram, right, and I just see his workouts, or I go to David Goggins or Cam Haynes, I get fucking excited.

01:24:32.000 I get fired up.

01:24:34.000 I want...

01:24:35.000 I get, like, that extra gear kicks in.

01:24:37.000 I'm like, time to go to work.

01:24:38.000 Like, I feel that.

01:24:39.000 Like, people are fuel.

01:24:41.000 You know, they're fuel for you.

01:24:43.000 And they're not just fuel.

01:24:44.000 They're also, like...

01:24:45.000 They add layers to your understanding.

01:24:48.000 They're an education.

01:24:50.000 You know, you get an education from other people's creativity.

01:24:53.000 Absolutely.

01:24:53.000 You can grow from them and learn from them.

01:24:55.000 Yeah.

01:24:56.000 And...

01:24:57.000 The same on my end is around people, you know.

01:25:01.000 Luckily, you know, around a good wife and a good life and surround yourself.

01:25:06.000 That God, man, that's everything.

01:25:07.000 If you don't have a good person in your life, you know, Jesus Christ, I have friends that have terrible girlfriends.

01:25:13.000 And it's like you just, you look, like you're always at war.

01:25:17.000 You're always in battle.

01:25:19.000 Like a certain percentage of your mind is...

01:25:22.000 He's always dealing with the conflict of your relationship all the time.

01:25:26.000 Whether you have a girl who's always questioning you or bitter or starting fights or needs too much attention or shits on your work or whatever the fuck it is, man.

01:25:39.000 I have friends that I see this conflict, and sometimes you see them, they escape, and then it's like a weight is lifted off their shoulder.

01:25:48.000 They're like a different person.

01:25:49.000 They're like, dude, now it's you.

01:25:51.000 You're back to being you again.

01:25:52.000 You were trapped, and now you're free.

01:25:55.000 And usually they find someone real similar to that girl and fall right back into the trap.

01:26:01.000 I'm totally lucky on that end.

01:26:04.000 In fact, if anything, I'm the devil in that relationship where I need to work on myself.

01:26:09.000 And get myself better, my attitude better, my mind right.

01:26:12.000 And, you know, come to grips with my own fears and insecurities and stuff.

01:26:18.000 And she's just been a rocket next to me.

01:26:22.000 That's awesome, man.

01:26:22.000 I can say the same about my wife.

01:26:24.000 I would not be who I am.

01:26:26.000 She's my favorite person to talk to, too.

01:26:29.000 It's easy to talk to someone who knows you that well.

01:26:32.000 And just...

01:26:34.000 There's no conflict like that.

01:26:36.000 It works seamlessly.

01:26:38.000 It works.

01:26:39.000 You always have to work at it, but it works.

01:26:42.000 And if you don't have that kind of relationship in your life, it's very difficult to get things done.

01:26:49.000 It's hard to get things done if you have a conflict-filled relationship.

01:26:54.000 If you have five good days and five bad days, which is a lot of people, it's balanced out.

01:27:00.000 You need nine good days.

01:27:03.000 Or 20 good days and one bad day.

01:27:06.000 You don't need five and five.

01:27:07.000 Those five and five relationships are too much fucking work.

01:27:10.000 They rob you of your resources.

01:27:13.000 Yeah.

01:27:13.000 It's extremely tough because we work together and we're dealing with five kids together and then we're doing the business together and then we're doing the jiu-jitsu school together and everything's tied in.

01:27:22.000 And you're through the pandemic now.

01:27:23.000 Yeah.

01:27:23.000 And that's, you know, I heard a lot of the divorce went through the roof and the pandemic.

01:27:27.000 Yeah.

01:27:28.000 If any, it's brought us closer.

01:27:30.000 It's one or the other.

01:27:31.000 It is, because it made me reevaluate myself.

01:27:34.000 I had to look in the mirror for a long time and be like, there's a lot of things you're doing that aren't beneficial here, especially relationship-wise.

01:27:44.000 I really focus heavily on the kids, and we want them to have the best opportunities to do whatever they achieve for.

01:27:52.000 I would fight with certain things, and it was just in my own head and my own problem.

01:27:57.000 And it was good to talk to people and get things out and try to wrangle.

01:28:02.000 Well, I always feel like anytime someone's really ambitious or someone's really working hard at something, it's like you have an engine, right?

01:28:10.000 And the bigger the engine, the more horsepower you have, but also the more difficult it is to keep the traction, right?

01:28:17.000 It's more difficult to keep the tires on the road because you've got this fucking...

01:28:22.000 And the car's going sideways.

01:28:24.000 But if you can get that motherfucker to straighten out, it can go fast.

01:28:29.000 You can go further.

01:28:29.000 You can get more shit done.

01:28:31.000 But it's sometimes hard to handle.

01:28:34.000 Just like a muscle car.

01:28:35.000 It's hard to handle.

01:28:36.000 And I think of my brain often like an engine.

01:28:39.000 Like, I gotta keep that fucker tuned.

01:28:42.000 I gotta keep it tuned, and I gotta keep the traction control on.

01:28:45.000 I gotta keep those fucking tires on the road.

01:28:48.000 Because if I just let it go wild, like...

01:28:50.000 If I don't exercise it, if I don't, you know, fucking keep everything in balance, it could go bad.

01:28:58.000 And it's not for everybody.

01:29:00.000 Like, there's a lot of people that I think, like...

01:29:02.000 I look at the way they live their life.

01:29:03.000 I'm like, thank God you don't have my brain.

01:29:05.000 Because if you had my brain, you'd be fucking crazy.

01:29:08.000 You'd never be able to handle it.

01:29:09.000 You'd be off to the races every day.

01:29:11.000 You'd be out of your mind.

01:29:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:29:13.000 Especially your lifestyle.

01:29:14.000 Yes.

01:29:15.000 I've used that analogy a million times where I'm the motor, but she's the driver.

01:29:19.000 And it's like together we have to make that not break loose on the ground and just drive straight.

01:29:24.000 You got a pit boss.

01:29:25.000 Yeah, I got a pit boss.

01:29:26.000 She's the pit boss for sure.

01:29:29.000 Changing the wheels out and keeping the family in order.

01:29:32.000 Yes, keeping those fucking tires on the road is hard for a lot of folks with a lot of horsepower.

01:29:36.000 You know, there's a lot of people that I know that are really talented, but they wind up ultimately being very self-destructive.

01:29:42.000 And I think that is, a lot of times that's what happens when talent and ambition don't have discipline.

01:29:48.000 So you have talent, you have ambition, but you have these demons that you give into those demons instead of having a real strict regimen of discipline that you adhere to.

01:29:59.000 I've been very lucky that I don't deal with the galleries and I won't talk to them because she knows me very well and she's the filter and she's the buffer and she's that wall that stops me from dealing with them and she turns and deals with them on a much kinder hand but she deals with my brunt of my dickiness and me pitching little bitch tantrums and being like,

01:30:19.000 what do you mean that doesn't look like her?

01:30:21.000 It fucking looks exactly like her.

01:30:22.000 Does she not know what she fucking looks like?

01:30:24.000 And she's like, yes, I know.

01:30:25.000 But...

01:30:26.000 She really wants to look sexier.

01:30:28.000 And I go, okay, fine.

01:30:30.000 And then I'll calm down.

01:30:31.000 She'll calm me down and go, listen, just give it one more shot.

01:30:34.000 Come on.

01:30:34.000 One more pass.

01:30:35.000 One more pass.

01:30:36.000 And I go, okay.

01:30:38.000 She just calms the savage beast.

01:30:41.000 Is that the only time that you've ever had to deal with a fucked up gallery?

01:30:44.000 Is that one lady who was stealing from you?

01:30:45.000 Yeah, I mean, you're always suspect, right?

01:30:48.000 You listen to this.

01:30:49.000 Is that because you've gone through that?

01:30:51.000 So...

01:30:53.000 Every gallery is struggling and fighting.

01:30:55.000 And not just in this COVID time.

01:30:56.000 This is worse.

01:30:57.000 But they're always pining for like, what's the niche that they have that the other guy doesn't have?

01:31:03.000 Some of the high end, like my New Orleans gallery when I was in there, they would say, we need something that no one else has to say.

01:31:09.000 So when I did a show there, in my early days, kids would come into the shows.

01:31:13.000 And they would know me from my past life, which was Spongebob.

01:31:16.000 And they'd say, hey, will you do me a Spongebob?

01:31:18.000 And I'd be like, Absolutely.

01:31:19.000 If a kid's there, I'll draw him up a little sponge up in his book or on a piece of paper.

01:31:23.000 I'll use Sharpie and I'll give it to him.

01:31:25.000 Sign it, TW. To Billy.

01:31:28.000 Love, TW. Well, years later, we get a client that was in LA at the time, and they said, hey, my son broke.

01:31:39.000 We framed up the SpongeBob you did for him, and he broke it.

01:31:42.000 Can you reframe it for us?

01:31:44.000 And I have a frame shop.

01:31:45.000 And I'm like, yeah, bring it on in, and we'll fix it up.

01:31:47.000 And they brought it in, and the minute I saw it, I go, oh, that's not my writing up top.

01:31:53.000 That's my drawing, and that's my signature.

01:31:55.000 And I look at it.

01:31:57.000 Now, I came from the world of using Xerox.

01:31:59.000 So they were Xeroxed.

01:32:00.000 They taped off some kid's name and they Xeroxed a bunch of Spongebobs.

01:32:04.000 And they would say to the client, hey, if you buy this, I can get you a Spongebob from him for your kid.

01:32:12.000 Now, we all do.

01:32:13.000 We all want to do for our kids.

01:32:15.000 We all want to be the superstar.

01:32:16.000 So they would sell it and then they would write, what's your kid's name?

01:32:20.000 Oh, Joshua.

01:32:21.000 Here you go, Joshua.

01:32:22.000 Blah, blah, blah.

01:32:24.000 And so I got it.

01:32:25.000 And the top name was written in a marker.

01:32:27.000 But the image and the signature was a Xerox.

01:32:30.000 And the Xerox has that shine to it.

01:32:32.000 And it's flat and even.

01:32:33.000 And it's dead level.

01:32:35.000 And I'm like, oh, those motherfuckers.

01:32:36.000 Now, are they really...

01:32:38.000 Are they really scamming?

01:32:41.000 They're giving it away.

01:32:42.000 They're not selling it.

01:32:43.000 It's a...

01:32:43.000 So it's this weird line, right?

01:32:45.000 It's their angle.

01:32:46.000 They're pining for something.

01:32:47.000 So I basically called them up on it and said, don't do that.

01:32:51.000 You know, I'm not making a big stink about this.

01:32:53.000 Just don't do that because that's not 100% genuine.

01:32:57.000 They're like, well, you are the guy.

01:32:59.000 And I go, I know, I know.

01:33:00.000 It's all legit, but it's not legit, you know?

01:33:04.000 Yeah.

01:33:04.000 So that was a tough part.

01:33:06.000 Well, you are the guy.

01:33:07.000 What does that mean?

01:33:08.000 Well, you're the guy that did SpongeBob, so it's not like we're saying, you know, here's this character that you didn't have anything to do with.

01:33:15.000 Right.

01:33:16.000 But you didn't write it.

01:33:17.000 Right.

01:33:18.000 And I didn't write it.

01:33:19.000 I didn't draw that for that person's name.

01:33:22.000 And so they were just Xeroxing it and then signing them off and pushing them out there.

01:33:26.000 But again, that's just a small example of like the hustle, you know?

01:33:30.000 Nowadays, nowadays, it's almost impossible to do scammy shit because you have.

01:33:36.000 The internet.

01:33:37.000 You have such access to everyone, right?

01:33:39.000 Like, you can imagine if someone did something and sent you an email or to someone in your crew and was like, hey, this is happening.

01:33:46.000 Is this you or you?

01:33:47.000 And you're like, nope, within an hour.

01:33:49.000 Nope, not me.

01:33:51.000 Oh, I've seen that before.

01:33:52.000 I've seen signed photos that are not my signature.

01:33:55.000 Yeah.

01:33:56.000 And I'm like, that's not my signature.

01:33:57.000 Yeah.

01:33:58.000 And in our day and age of the internet, instant access, it's funny too because a lot of the older people don't understand how easy the access is, how super easy it is to find out if something's fake or real.

01:34:10.000 My dad, he'll try to tell me stuff.

01:34:12.000 And I'm like, Dad, that's not true.

01:34:14.000 And he's like, oh, it is.

01:34:15.000 My friend at the bar told me.

01:34:16.000 And I'm like, here it is, Dad.

01:34:18.000 While we're on the phone, here it is.

01:34:20.000 That's Jamie.

01:34:21.000 Yeah, that's Jamie.

01:34:22.000 That's Jamie.

01:34:23.000 You're never going to get some bullshit through, you know?

01:34:25.000 Yeah, well, the old days, man, people could lie about anything.

01:34:28.000 You had all those people with the fake warriors, fake saying they were seals.

01:34:32.000 Oh, yeah.

01:34:33.000 Stolen valor.

01:34:34.000 Stolen valor.

01:34:35.000 Oh, my God.

01:34:35.000 When they catch guys on video at the airport, it's the most embarrassing thing when guys are flying and another soldier runs into them and they look at their suit and they look at them and they just smell something wrong and they start asking questions.

01:34:48.000 Where are you from?

01:34:49.000 Where did you deploy?

01:34:50.000 What unit?

01:34:51.000 Yeah, and those numbers don't add up.

01:34:53.000 You didn't even do enough homework to look at some fake units.

01:34:57.000 It's just so sad.

01:34:58.000 It's such a sad thing.

01:35:00.000 It's like fake black belts.

01:35:01.000 There's a lot of those, too.

01:35:02.000 That's one of the saddest things when you see a guy get called out on being a fake black belt.

01:35:07.000 I never encountered any of that.

01:35:08.000 Don't you remember Eddie found that guy, caught that dude who turned out to be a murderer?

01:35:14.000 Oh!

01:35:15.000 You don't remember that story?

01:35:16.000 I don't.

01:35:16.000 I'm out of that loop.

01:35:18.000 His name, he had a different name, but he came up with a name.

01:35:22.000 His name was Raphael Torrey, and he wrote for Abu Dhabi Combat Club.

01:35:28.000 Remember the website?

01:35:29.000 Yeah.

01:35:30.000 Well, Eddie knew him, and he was a black belt, but he said he was a black belt in Japanese jiu-jitsu.

01:35:39.000 It was like one of them weird things and so Eddie rolled with him one day and Eddie was like I remember him telling me like it's really confusing he's like dude he didn't know anything it's so strange and I go really and I go so do you think he's a black belt he goes I just can't believe he's a black belt it doesn't make any sense and so he was starting to question whether or not this guy was legit or not it was very strange so Time goes on,

01:36:04.000 and the guy says that he's going off to go compete in this tournament in Thailand.

01:36:11.000 So he goes and competes in this tournament in Thailand, and he tells Eddie, he goes, hey, I got this guy on a twister.

01:36:17.000 And then we're like, okay.

01:36:20.000 We start thinking, because if you don't know, for folks who don't know, a twister is a complicated submission.

01:36:26.000 It's difficult to set up, and it's hard to get someone in, unless they just know nothing.

01:36:30.000 It's hard.

01:36:32.000 And you've got to drill it over and over and over again.

01:36:35.000 And generally speaking, it's hard to get in training.

01:36:37.000 But to get it in a competition, in an MMA fight, wow, really hard.

01:36:41.000 And especially if the guy's shown no real...

01:36:43.000 There's a lot of finer points to the twister.

01:36:47.000 There's finer points to the setup.

01:36:49.000 There's finer points to the closing of it.

01:36:51.000 So Eddie's like, this guy's full of shit, man.

01:36:53.000 This guy's full of shit.

01:36:54.000 I'm not believing this.

01:36:55.000 I'm not believing this at all.

01:36:56.000 So, time goes on.

01:37:00.000 Eddie winds up calling him out, right?

01:37:02.000 He has a conversation with him on the phone.

01:37:04.000 I'm in the car.

01:37:05.000 We're driving.

01:37:06.000 And Eddie's on the phone with him.

01:37:07.000 And he's saying, he goes, listen, man.

01:37:09.000 He goes, you're not a fucking black belt.

01:37:11.000 He goes, I know you're not a fucking black belt.

01:37:13.000 And he goes, I don't want to hear any of your bullshit.

01:37:15.000 And he goes, you're a fucking liar.

01:37:17.000 You're not a black...

01:37:18.000 I know you're not a black belt.

01:37:19.000 And it's like this really intense conversation.

01:37:22.000 Long story short...

01:37:24.000 This guy winds up murdering this woman's husband.

01:37:30.000 He's banging this girl.

01:37:32.000 He winds up murdering her husband and then driving around in her car.

01:37:38.000 Okay?

01:37:39.000 It all gets crazier.

01:37:41.000 It gets crazier.

01:37:42.000 One of his students, who was also one of Eddie's students, and I am sort of like casual friends with this guy, he tells us that this guy...

01:37:57.000 Asked him to kill the guy and even brought him a gun to kill the guy and offered him money.

01:38:04.000 And then he winds up killing the guy on his own.

01:38:07.000 Like this is some crazy shit.

01:38:09.000 So he tells this to us on the phone.

01:38:12.000 Then I get a phone call from the cops who were listening in on the phone call when he tells us that this guy had offered him money to kill the girl's husband.

01:38:28.000 I'm like, this is fucking bananas.

01:38:29.000 So then the cops are on the phone with me.

01:38:31.000 I'm in the green room of Fear Factor.

01:38:33.000 I'm in my trailer, actually, getting ready to go out for Fear Factor.

01:38:37.000 And I get this phone call from the cops.

01:38:40.000 And they said, well, we want to talk to you about this conversation you were having.

01:38:44.000 And I just laid it out to them.

01:38:45.000 I go, well, this is what I know.

01:38:46.000 First of all, I don't know if the guy had really killed anybody because the guy's a liar.

01:38:52.000 And so I explained the whole thing.

01:38:53.000 I'm like, the guy made up a bunch of shit.

01:38:55.000 Here's another thing the guy made up.

01:38:57.000 He had a friend, this is hilarious, had a friend take him to the woods.

01:39:01.000 And he had a bag, a big duffel bag, like a big-ass bag, a four-foot-long duffel bag, filled with stuff.

01:39:07.000 And he says, I'm going to compete in a Kumite tournament.

01:39:09.000 It's a no-rules, no-holds-barred Kumite tournament.

01:39:12.000 I'll be back tomorrow.

01:39:13.000 So the guy drops him off, and then he says, come meet me at this spot again tomorrow, or whatever time.

01:39:20.000 So they set a time.

01:39:21.000 So at the time, the next day, now he doesn't have the bag anymore, but he has a trophy that's the same size as the bag.

01:39:29.000 Bro, it's so dumb.

01:39:30.000 It's so dumb.

01:39:31.000 So he says he went into the woods and won this fucking Kumite tournament, comes out with this trophy, and was telling this guy that he's like this fucking...

01:39:39.000 So the guy's just a full-on pathological liar.

01:39:43.000 Lied about being a black belt, lied about having this fight in Thailand.

01:39:47.000 Did he actually kill someone?

01:39:48.000 But actually killed somebody.

01:39:49.000 Yeah, he actually did kill this guy, and now he's in jail for it.

01:39:52.000 Yeah, he's in jail for it right now.

01:39:57.000 He choked this guy to death.

01:39:59.000 I don't know if he choked him with a thing or with his arms.

01:40:02.000 I don't know what he did.

01:40:03.000 But wound up killing this guy.

01:40:05.000 So I'm explaining to these cops.

01:40:06.000 I go, I don't know what he actually did because the guy's a liar.

01:40:11.000 He's so dumb, he might have said he killed the guy when he didn't.

01:40:16.000 Or using it as a...

01:40:18.000 But it turned out he actually did it.

01:40:20.000 Full on liar.

01:40:20.000 So I just tell him, I tell the cop the whole story.

01:40:22.000 I go, this is what I know.

01:40:23.000 And they were listening on the call.

01:40:25.000 They were listening.

01:40:26.000 They were listening on the conversation.

01:40:27.000 You remember our boy Lou Salceda, Lou the cop?

01:40:29.000 Yes.

01:40:30.000 So he used to tell us, he used to tell me, we would turn on people, the gang members, we would turn on their cell phones and listen to their conversations.

01:40:36.000 We'd listen to everything they were doing.

01:40:37.000 While their phone's just sitting around.

01:40:38.000 In their pocket, whatever.

01:40:39.000 He goes, yeah, we turn them on and listen.

01:40:41.000 And a couple of, you know, we're building out a new jiu-jitsu school over in Dripping Springs.

01:40:45.000 And I got a couple of exiles that are helping me.

01:40:48.000 And I'm giddy.

01:40:49.000 I want to ask questions, you know, because I'm curious.

01:40:52.000 I'm not a fucking elite warrior.

01:40:54.000 I've never run through Afghanistan with machine guns.

01:40:57.000 And I'm like, hey, what was it like, dude?

01:41:00.000 Did you ever smoke some people?

01:41:01.000 And they're like, don't know what you're talking about.

01:41:03.000 And they'll just hold their phone up and wave it like this.

01:41:06.000 They'll go, look at me and shake their head no.

01:41:09.000 Like, I'm not saying a thing.

01:41:11.000 And I'm like, do you have Siri?

01:41:13.000 Do you have Siri?

01:41:14.000 In your house?

01:41:15.000 Yeah.

01:41:15.000 The little cube?

01:41:16.000 Apple?

01:41:17.000 No.

01:41:17.000 So I have the little music thing.

01:41:19.000 That motherfucker's listening.

01:41:20.000 Oh!

01:41:20.000 Oh, every morning I wake up.

01:41:22.000 I go.

01:41:23.000 Sometimes I go.

01:41:23.000 Hey, bitch.

01:41:24.000 Hey, Siri, what time is it?

01:41:25.000 Right?

01:41:26.000 I always want to know what time it is.

01:41:27.000 Even when I wake up to pee, it's 5.42.

01:41:31.000 So sometimes I go real soft.

01:41:35.000 The time now is...

01:41:36.000 And it scares me.

01:41:37.000 I'm like, God, she fucking heard that.

01:41:39.000 She hears everything.

01:41:40.000 Like, how good is that microphone in there?

01:41:42.000 It's good.

01:41:43.000 And at some point, you just accept.

01:41:45.000 Like, I'm not doing anything at legal.

01:41:47.000 I'm not a criminal.

01:41:47.000 So I kind of go, I'm not doing anything.

01:41:49.000 Oh, do I care?

01:41:49.000 But what if I found myself in a situation or someone was telling me something and I'm like, no, you did that.

01:41:56.000 Here's what you got to do, bro.

01:41:57.000 Right, you can't do that.

01:41:57.000 And then next thing you know, my phone rings and the cops go...

01:41:59.000 Yeah, when you were just talking about hide that body in a pig farm and feeding them to pigs, I'm like, I saw it in a movie once!

01:42:05.000 I don't know anything about it!

01:42:08.000 I have a friend who told me even...

01:42:09.000 What is this, Jamie?

01:42:11.000 The inmate shown is serving a sentence of life without the possibility of parole and is therefore not eligible for parole consideration at this time.

01:42:19.000 Oh, that's Rafael Torre?

01:42:21.000 Yep, that's him.

01:42:22.000 Oh my God.

01:42:23.000 That's the dude.

01:42:25.000 Yeah.

01:42:26.000 And apparently that's not even his real name.

01:42:28.000 He changed his name.

01:42:29.000 But that's what he's in under.

01:42:30.000 He made his name to sound out Brazilian.

01:42:35.000 Of course.

01:42:36.000 Story of a fake black belt.

01:42:38.000 That's it right there.

01:42:39.000 It's all over the place.

01:42:41.000 Fake black belt and convicted murderer.

01:42:43.000 But I remember Eddie being on the phone with him.

01:42:46.000 Going, dude, you are not a black belt.

01:42:49.000 I don't know why you're fucking lying, but you're fucking lying.

01:42:53.000 And then the guy turns out to be a murderer.

01:42:56.000 That's scary as fuck.

01:42:57.000 He wrote for Abu Dhabi Combat Club.

01:42:59.000 He would give these weird interviews where he'd ask guys, how many girls are you fucked in the ass?

01:43:05.000 Crazy questions.

01:43:07.000 He was calling it gonzo journalism, but it was just nonsense.

01:43:12.000 He was just trying to be crazy, but scammed his way into a position where he was writing for...

01:43:18.000 Well, obviously, like, if you're writing for MMA, uh, MMA journalism back then, this is, uh, I was on Fear Factor, so we're talking about, like, 2001, probably-ish, 2002-ish, when it was all happening.

01:43:34.000 That is, uh, you know, the early days of the internet, and, like, people...

01:43:38.000 Internet journalism was not taken seriously.

01:43:41.000 Internet websites were just like an afterthought.

01:43:43.000 It wasn't like they hired...

01:43:46.000 Today, if you write for MMA Junkie or MMA Weekly or any of the top-tier MMA websites, you get really good writers.

01:43:54.000 You have a reputation, too, behind you.

01:43:55.000 Yeah, they're good writers.

01:43:57.000 It's like you get a career as a writer, you know?

01:43:59.000 These guys were not like that.

01:44:01.000 It was just random.

01:44:03.000 So this dude, who's a fake martial artist, tricked people into hiring him to write.

01:44:08.000 And they, you know, he sent him to these events.

01:44:12.000 This is back, you know, I remember when Abu Dhabi first came along, when...

01:44:16.000 John Jock was really one of the pioneers of Abu Dhabi because he was a guy who showed everybody that there was guys who were gi guys who also excelled in no gi.

01:44:29.000 And he was the best.

01:44:30.000 Remember, he tapped Sakurai.

01:44:33.000 All those guys ran through those dudes.

01:44:34.000 We would have to get on this website to see what the scores were.

01:44:37.000 And Eddie would come in every day with the score sheets and be like, look what's happening.

01:44:40.000 Here's what's happening now.

01:44:41.000 Those videos...

01:44:42.000 Pull up John Jock Machado vs.

01:44:45.000 Hayato Sakurai.

01:44:47.000 So, for people that don't know, Sakurai, at the time, was a legend in MMA in Japan.

01:44:54.000 And, you know, for the guys like me, they're the hardcore guys that were really interested in fights from Japan, from Shuto and K1 and, you know, Rings and all these different organizations that were happening in Japan.

01:45:06.000 Like, he was a legend.

01:45:08.000 And to see him...

01:45:10.000 You know, competing against John Jack, and to see John Jack just fucking run through him, we were like, YES! It was a big deal.

01:45:18.000 Because he was showing control with Nogi that a lot of the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belts that were used to grabbing collars and sleeves didn't have.

01:45:29.000 But see, John Jack, for people that don't know, was born with only a thumb on his left hand.

01:45:34.000 He only has a thumb.

01:45:36.000 So all of his fingers are missing except his thumb.

01:45:39.000 So Jean-Jacques' game involved more overhooks and underhooks than it did lapel grabs and pinching.

01:45:46.000 So he had a lot of stuff that was immediately transferable to no-gi MMA, unlike a lot of other fighters.

01:45:52.000 You see it anywhere?

01:45:53.000 I'm typing it in.

01:45:54.000 It's not coming up that way.

01:45:56.000 It might be in a different video or something.

01:46:00.000 What's that right there?

01:46:01.000 That's like a Highlights or something.

01:46:04.000 Well, he went up against Yuki Nakai, too.

01:46:06.000 You can pull that up.

01:46:07.000 That was another Jiu-Jitsu match.

01:46:10.000 Yuki Nakai is another guy who's a fucking legend.

01:46:13.000 Look at that.

01:46:13.000 Look at young Janjak.

01:46:14.000 Oh, that's Janjak with a gi.

01:46:15.000 Yuki Nakai?

01:46:16.000 Yuki Nakai fought in Valley Tudo, Japan.

01:46:19.000 Guy's fucking eye gouged out.

01:46:21.000 He fought that...

01:46:23.000 What is that guy that fought in the UFC as well?

01:46:26.000 The karate guy.

01:46:29.000 That poked his eyes out.

01:46:31.000 He poked one of his fucking eye out.

01:46:33.000 And he still competed and made it all the way to the finals.

01:46:37.000 In the old days, was it the tournament?

01:46:39.000 Yeah, it was Japan Valley Tudo.

01:46:41.000 That was the one where Hicks and Gracie won it.

01:46:43.000 He won it a couple years in a row.

01:46:45.000 That was, like, Gerard Gardo.

01:46:48.000 Oh, Gerard.

01:46:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:46:49.000 Remember that guy?

01:46:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:46:50.000 Big dude.

01:46:51.000 That guy, he poked Yuki Nikai's eye out.

01:46:54.000 Like, Yuki Nikai lost his eye in that match.

01:46:57.000 Like, he's blind in one eye to this day.

01:47:00.000 Yeah.

01:47:00.000 Oh, my God.

01:47:01.000 But he was a really highly respected jiu-jitsu guy, and John Jock basically just ran over.

01:47:07.000 I know every feeling right there.

01:47:09.000 I know that feeling.

01:47:10.000 I know that guard pass.

01:47:12.000 I know the guard pass.

01:47:13.000 I know the struggle you're having with that motherfucker.

01:47:16.000 You know what's interesting about John Jock, too, that he's still capable of rolling with no problems at all.

01:47:22.000 He doesn't have any major injuries.

01:47:24.000 He had a little bit of a meniscus tear, he was telling me, and he got a cortisone shot in it, but he still rolls.

01:47:29.000 I love that man.

01:47:31.000 He's done so much for me.

01:47:32.000 And me as well.

01:47:33.000 Mentally and just set me on good paths.

01:47:36.000 Yeah.

01:47:37.000 I had good talks.

01:47:38.000 We've had...

01:47:38.000 I mean, we've had hour-long talks.

01:47:40.000 Yeah.

01:47:40.000 Just, you know...

01:47:41.000 You know, that was a period of time, you know, like you said, when we met and I'd lost the...

01:47:45.000 I didn't lose the Nickelodeon job.

01:47:47.000 We went on hiatus.

01:47:48.000 And I was out of work.

01:47:49.000 And I was just like, what am I going to do?

01:47:51.000 And I would just have talks with him.

01:47:54.000 He was very generous to me.

01:47:55.000 And he would say, look, come teach here.

01:47:58.000 I was a purple at the time.

01:47:59.000 Come teach here.

01:48:00.000 And you don't have to pay your fees.

01:48:03.000 And then he took me in, man.

01:48:05.000 He really treated me well.

01:48:07.000 Oh, he's a great person.

01:48:08.000 He's a great person.

01:48:09.000 He gave me good guidance.

01:48:10.000 And sometimes when I'm getting...

01:48:11.000 Out of my head with thoughts or whatever.

01:48:13.000 I just try to think like, what would Jon Jock do?

01:48:16.000 Didn't he tap Cal Uno as well?

01:48:19.000 Yeah, he did.

01:48:19.000 From the back.

01:48:20.000 On his back and curled him up.

01:48:22.000 Yeah.

01:48:23.000 See if he can fight that.

01:48:25.000 But the Abu Dhabi stuff should be around.

01:48:29.000 Jon Jock versus Sakurai.

01:48:31.000 Machado versus Sakurai.

01:48:34.000 That should be out there.

01:48:36.000 The Sakurai one was really interesting to me because Sakurai was, at the time, he was a fucking straight up killer.

01:48:44.000 I remember when he fought Frank Trigg in that fight.

01:48:47.000 He had that giant cut.

01:48:48.000 Yeah, Eddie.

01:48:49.000 We were in the back and we were in the locker rooms and Eddie kept telling him, what are you going to do if you can't take him down?

01:48:53.000 What are you going to do?

01:48:54.000 And he was like, I'll get him down.

01:48:56.000 I'll get him down.

01:48:56.000 He goes, man, that's a class wrestler.

01:48:57.000 Here it is.

01:48:59.000 This is Kyle Uno.

01:49:01.000 And Uno is another guy who was, at the time, was a legit MMA superstar.

01:49:08.000 Just hunting him down.

01:49:09.000 There's the overhook.

01:49:09.000 There it is.

01:49:10.000 Yep.

01:49:11.000 Good luck, bud.

01:49:12.000 Getting out of that overhook.

01:49:13.000 Yeah, all that overhook on that left side in particular.

01:49:15.000 That's the left side where he had no fingers.

01:49:17.000 Got a hook in.

01:49:18.000 Oh, my God.

01:49:19.000 He's going to, I believe, in this he takes his back.

01:49:25.000 I don't remember what he did.

01:49:27.000 But I remember he tapped him.

01:49:29.000 He tapped everybody.

01:49:30.000 There it is.

01:49:31.000 See?

01:49:31.000 He's on his back.

01:49:32.000 Curls him back.

01:49:35.000 Oh, he's like, he's got that surgical tool.

01:49:37.000 How did he get to his back?

01:49:39.000 Well, he's on his back now.

01:49:40.000 Yeah, but how did he get there?

01:49:41.000 Jamie, did you fast forward?

01:49:42.000 Just curling around.

01:49:43.000 Oh, okay.

01:49:45.000 Yeah, and he gets that arm.

01:49:46.000 Look at that.

01:49:47.000 The other thing is that where there's no hand, the hand that has no fingers, that one always goes under the chin.

01:49:52.000 Yeah, that's a surgical tool.

01:49:53.000 Yeah.

01:49:54.000 A surgical.

01:49:55.000 It slides like a bone right underneath your neck.

01:50:00.000 At the time, this was so impressive because these guys were giving a lot of people fits.

01:50:06.000 A lot of these guys were considered elite grapplers when it came to MMA. Just to see them basically fighting for survival against a guy like Jean-Jacques, it opened up a lot of people's eyes.

01:50:21.000 It also opened up a lot of people's eyes.

01:50:23.000 It's like, what is the most effective way to participate in no-gi jiu-jitsu with the, you know, standard jiu-jitsu skills?

01:50:29.000 Here we go.

01:50:30.000 He's going to curl him up, watch, and he's going to, oh, back over.

01:50:33.000 Well, we've still got time.

01:50:34.000 He's going to lay him on his belly.

01:50:35.000 He's going to arc him and just wrench, and he's going to tap.

01:50:39.000 Yeah, go for it ahead so we can see the tap.

01:50:43.000 A little bit more, right there.

01:50:45.000 Oh, nope, you already had him.

01:50:46.000 Right there.

01:50:47.000 You know, one day we were on the side, we were talking on the mats, and he actually, he's like...

01:50:52.000 There it is.

01:50:53.000 Look at that.

01:50:54.000 Oh, okay, this isn't, he didn't have one on his back.

01:50:56.000 It must have been another one.

01:50:56.000 Look at him lay there.

01:51:01.000 I love it.

01:51:02.000 I love that I came out from under him.

01:51:05.000 I love that it's one.

01:51:07.000 That's my only instructor.

01:51:08.000 I didn't have five different schools and travel around or be in the unfortunate, like I was in the military and I trained here and I trained there and I trained here.

01:51:15.000 It's like, that's the school I walked into, and I didn't leave until I walked out of Blackburn.

01:51:19.000 I actually came to his place third.

01:51:21.000 The first place I went to was Hickson's, but Hickson's was all the way down on Pico, and that was a long haul for me.

01:51:27.000 I was living in North Hollywood.

01:51:28.000 It was a long drive.

01:51:29.000 Brutal.

01:51:30.000 But I knew the last name Gracie.

01:51:33.000 I didn't know jack shit.

01:51:34.000 But then Carlson Gracie opened up on Hawthorne in Hollywood, right down the street from the Comedy Store.

01:51:41.000 And that was when Extreme Fighting was going on.

01:51:44.000 You remember Extreme Fighting?

01:51:45.000 Yeah.

01:51:45.000 And that was when Mario Sperry was there.

01:51:49.000 And there was so many guys that were coming out.

01:51:53.000 Marilo Bustamante, he was out of there.

01:51:56.000 It was an amazing gym.

01:51:59.000 Carlos Barreto, remember Carlos Barreto?

01:52:01.000 I don't know.

01:52:01.000 He was out of there.

01:52:02.000 Yeah, early pioneers of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu from Carlson Gracie and also Vitor.

01:52:09.000 That was when Vitor was 19 years old and he fought John Hess in Hawaii and fucked him up and just lit him up with punches.

01:52:17.000 And I remember thinking like, Jesus Christ, he was 19 and he was built like a fucking pit bull and the lightning fast hands.

01:52:26.000 And then I was training over there.

01:52:29.000 I was still a white belt.

01:52:30.000 I was a white belt over there.

01:52:31.000 I didn't get my blue belt until I came to John Jocks.

01:52:34.000 And then Vitor went to fight in the UFC. So when he went to fight in the UFC, we were calling him Victor.

01:52:41.000 His name was Victor.

01:52:42.000 I called him Victor a couple times in the UFC broadcast.

01:52:45.000 We called him Victor Gracie.

01:52:47.000 That's what we called him.

01:52:48.000 That was the name he was going under.

01:52:51.000 I remember I think I fucked it up a few times because they had changed it to Vitor.

01:52:55.000 I was baffled because we'd always called him Victor.

01:52:58.000 I didn't understand what was going on.

01:53:00.000 When he made his UFC debut, I was training at Carlson Gracie's.

01:53:03.000 But then Carlson's went under.

01:53:05.000 And when Carlson's went under, I needed another place to train, and then I found John Jox.

01:53:10.000 I found John Jox, and that was 98. So I started at 96 at Hickson's, and then I trained at Carlson Gracie's there during 96. And then I think 97-ish is when he went under,

01:53:26.000 and then I waited until 98, and then I started training at John Jox.

01:53:29.000 No, it might have been 97 I went to John Jox.

01:53:32.000 It was like right around that time.

01:53:33.000 Like, it just wasn't too much time off.

01:53:35.000 But then I got lucky and I found John Jocks.

01:53:37.000 I'm horrible with the timelines of things.

01:53:39.000 I might be off by a little bit.

01:53:40.000 I'm always off on everything.

01:53:41.000 I might be off by a little bit, but I'm pretty sure 96 was when I first started training at Carlson Graces because it was 97 when I made my UFC debut as a commentator, as a post-fight interviewer.

01:53:55.000 That was...

01:53:58.000 UFC 12 in Dothan, Alabama.

01:54:01.000 That was 97. Jesus, dude.

01:54:02.000 I can't believe you remember that.

01:54:04.000 Yeah.

01:54:04.000 Well, I remember that because I was supposed to be in Buffalo, New York.

01:54:07.000 But New York put the kibosh on cage fighting.

01:54:10.000 And so then we had to go to Dothan.

01:54:12.000 And I remember it was the debut of Vitor.

01:54:16.000 Trey Telligman was on that card.

01:54:18.000 Scott Ferozo.

01:54:20.000 Dude, you got memory, man.

01:54:21.000 Yeah, I have to.

01:54:22.000 Dude.

01:54:23.000 Man, I wish.

01:54:24.000 I wish.

01:54:25.000 I wish I was smarter, you know?

01:54:27.000 Sometimes, you know, I just kind of put things together.

01:54:30.000 Get in there.

01:54:31.000 Well, I take a lot of supplements, too.

01:54:33.000 I took some AlphaBrain before this.

01:54:35.000 I'm like, I gotta be on point with Joe.

01:54:38.000 That's the thing that I take from memory.

01:54:40.000 That and just some NeuroGum I like, too.

01:54:42.000 You know, I was talking with John Jock one time, and he was telling me how the art career was kind of taking off, and I was doing well, and I had just done the Grammys, and he said, you know, you also need to think about giving back and doing something, something,

01:54:58.000 I didn't know what to do with that.

01:55:00.000 And he said something.

01:55:01.000 And about a month or two later, my mom, who was an art school teacher in a middle school, public middle school teacher, and her whole life, 35 years, public middle school teacher, art.

01:55:11.000 And she said, I was talking on the phone.

01:55:15.000 My mom was visiting.

01:55:16.000 And I was doing this drawing sketch, and I was talking with the phone, and then I flipped the phone, I took a picture of it, and I sent it to the gallery.

01:55:22.000 And he's like, okay, we sold it.

01:55:23.000 It's gone.

01:55:24.000 And I think I sold it to the gallery.

01:55:27.000 It was like 300 bucks or something.

01:55:28.000 And my mom goes, did you just sell that drawing you did on the phone for 300 bucks?

01:55:32.000 And I go, yeah.

01:55:32.000 And she goes, you know, that's more than my art budget for the entire school, for 30 kids in a class, six classes a day.

01:55:38.000 That's more than I get for them.

01:55:40.000 And I'm like, yeah, I was like, really?

01:55:43.000 That's all you get?

01:55:44.000 She's like, yeah, art's getting wiped out in public schools around the nation.

01:55:47.000 And I thought, oh, fuck.

01:55:49.000 And then I thought of John Chuck's thing, and I'm like, that's a calling, right?

01:55:52.000 So I started, my wife and I started the Todd White Art Project, 5013C. We take art supplies that we get from all these companies, these big companies, even Blick steps up, and I say, look, I'm buying it from you.

01:56:06.000 I'm not asking for free.

01:56:07.000 But sell me the student grade quality and sell me a lot of it.

01:56:11.000 And I use it.

01:56:13.000 We buy it when we have extra funds or we got an extra kick in on something.

01:56:17.000 We buy up school supplies and we donate it.

01:56:20.000 We put packages together for public schools only around the United States.

01:56:24.000 These poor, underfunded schools.

01:56:26.000 And all we said is, you know, school teachers send out a letter to us saying why you want the supplies for your students.

01:56:32.000 Yeah.

01:56:32.000 Generally, most of them are amazing.

01:56:34.000 They say, you know, I use my own money to buy supplies.

01:56:37.000 We don't have any.

01:56:38.000 And dude, you wouldn't believe it.

01:56:39.000 In this country, we visited schools that had dirt floors.

01:56:43.000 Dirt on the floors.

01:56:45.000 Where?

01:56:45.000 Schools.

01:56:46.000 Dude, Leander was one out here.

01:56:49.000 In Texas?

01:56:50.000 Yes.

01:56:50.000 It was a public school, small population.

01:56:53.000 Dirt floors?

01:56:53.000 It was horrible, horrible conditions.

01:56:59.000 We don't obviously roll in with iPads.

01:57:01.000 We roll in with the watercolor sets, Big Chief tablets, but 1,000, 1,000 paints, 1,000 brushes, 1,000 stuff for the kids.

01:57:20.000 It's crazy that that's thought to be not important.

01:57:30.000 It wasn't a suit that designed it.

01:57:33.000 It was an artist, a creative thinker, someone who put together and made it organically beautiful and solid and working.

01:57:40.000 And that's being snuffed out.

01:57:41.000 And so we've done 10 schools throughout the past six years, seven years of the program where we get great letters and we've traveled to Virginia, we've traveled to Ohio, we've done Northern California, Southern California.

01:57:54.000 It was easy when I lived there.

01:57:56.000 I just load up a U-Haul van, drive it down.

01:57:59.000 They'd bring all the kids into the classroom.

01:58:01.000 I'd do a 30-minute, 45-minute speech to all the kids.

01:58:04.000 Tell them, let them know.

01:58:06.000 Let them know about the two rules of life.

01:58:10.000 You can achieve anything you put your mind to.

01:58:12.000 You know, all these young kids.

01:58:14.000 It doesn't matter.

01:58:14.000 I don't care what color you are.

01:58:15.000 I don't care about anything.

01:58:17.000 Don't buy into it.

01:58:17.000 You can achieve what you put your mind to.

01:58:20.000 And the second thing is you have to have the desire to achieve that.

01:58:22.000 You can't just want it and not put the work in behind it.

01:58:26.000 You have to want it more than anything.

01:58:28.000 I say the two wants.

01:58:29.000 You have to want to do that, and you have to want to achieve that.

01:58:33.000 And I believe you can achieve anything you want if you put your mind to it.

01:58:38.000 For sure.

01:58:38.000 That's a weird thing that isn't taught in school, isn't it?

01:58:41.000 No.

01:58:41.000 It's one of the most important things to getting ahead.

01:58:44.000 Like you were saying earlier, that I'll take drive over talent.

01:58:46.000 Because if you have the drive, you can get to talent.

01:58:49.000 My high school art teacher sent me to a counselor to let the counselor know that I should be an auto mechanic.

01:58:56.000 My high school art teacher told me, maybe you should fix cars.

01:59:02.000 Because obviously I wasn't a good student.

01:59:03.000 I was terrible in math and I was terrible in English.

01:59:05.000 Maybe you should fix cars.

01:59:06.000 You should concentrate on being a mechanic or an electrical or something with your hands of trade.

01:59:12.000 But art isn't going to get you where you want to go.

01:59:14.000 Have you ever seen any of my art?

01:59:15.000 I have not.

01:59:16.000 Yeah, I used to draw.

01:59:18.000 You should come over and hang.

01:59:19.000 I used to want to be a comic book illustrator.

01:59:22.000 Do it.

01:59:23.000 And I have some stuff, but I had...

01:59:26.000 I'll try to find you something.

01:59:27.000 But I had a shitty fucking art teacher, like a real asshole.

01:59:32.000 And what's really interesting is...

01:59:34.000 Oh, here's some of my stuff.

01:59:35.000 Oh, not terrible!

01:59:37.000 Yeah, that is from...

01:59:39.000 Isn't that...

01:59:40.000 Where's the full version of that?

01:59:41.000 If you click on it...

01:59:43.000 Yeah.

01:59:44.000 That is from 19...

01:59:46.000 What does it say down there?

01:59:47.000 It says on the corner.

01:59:49.000 Grandma ain't home.

01:59:50.000 Yeah, but it should say in the image.

01:59:52.000 In the actual image.

01:59:54.000 Look, you had your signature, too.

01:59:55.000 Yeah, it would say...

01:59:57.000 Yeah, that's me, too.

01:59:58.000 Listen, dude.

01:59:59.000 So, anyway, I had a terrible art teacher.

02:00:02.000 He was a fucking asshole.

02:00:03.000 That's me, too.

02:00:04.000 That's Bruce Lee and Drew.

02:00:05.000 And, you know, the thing is, the more you're working, the better you get.

02:00:10.000 Yeah.

02:00:10.000 Just by pencil time.

02:00:13.000 Yeah.

02:00:24.000 Yeah.

02:00:25.000 Yeah.

02:00:31.000 I was not the most talented guy in the class.

02:00:33.000 The most talented guy in the class is a guy named John DeVore who I'm actually friends with.

02:00:39.000 We got in touch with each other recently because I think I brought him up on the podcast and he reached out and sent me an email.

02:00:48.000 And so he told me he was the most talented guy in the class.

02:00:51.000 He told me this fucking asshole said the same thing to him.

02:00:54.000 That asshole made him stop being an artist too.

02:00:58.000 He told me that the guy failed him.

02:01:00.000 He failed him like a senior year.

02:01:02.000 I'm like, that is insane because he was so good.

02:01:05.000 He was so talented.

02:01:06.000 You see how good I was?

02:01:08.000 He was better than me.

02:01:09.000 It was really good.

02:01:10.000 And just a dickhead failure of a person who found himself, like, treating kids like shit.

02:01:18.000 Like, doesn't understand psychology.

02:01:20.000 Didn't care.

02:01:21.000 Like, didn't like his life.

02:01:22.000 Was a failure.

02:01:23.000 Like, I remember him saying, like, he was asking me why I was drawing what I was drawing.

02:01:28.000 I go, that's what I like to draw.

02:01:29.000 Yeah, you like to draw it.

02:01:29.000 And he was like, well, you're going to have to draw things you don't like to draw.

02:01:33.000 Like, maybe you're going to have to get a job and do ads for diapers.

02:01:37.000 I remember that's what he said, like...

02:01:38.000 I'd draw a diaper.

02:01:39.000 That was when I was wrestling.

02:01:41.000 There you go, dude.

02:01:42.000 Look at that.

02:01:43.000 Look how young we look, 11 years ago.

02:01:45.000 Look at Brian.

02:01:46.000 He's like a little baby.

02:01:48.000 That was the high school for Newton South High School.

02:01:53.000 You can make those into shirts, dude.

02:01:55.000 I drew that for the logo.

02:01:58.000 The logo of the school, the mascot, was a lion.

02:02:02.000 So I drew the yearbook.

02:02:05.000 Like the cover of one of the yearbooks.

02:02:08.000 You know, you have such a name and recognition that if you ever had a charity or whatever, or organization you wanted to donate to, dude, do a drawing.

02:02:17.000 We make a jaclay of it.

02:02:18.000 You sign a numbered edition, and you sell them, and it's yours.

02:02:21.000 I'm busy, bro.

02:02:21.000 I know.

02:02:22.000 But I do all the work.

02:02:24.000 You do all the work.

02:02:25.000 I'm not doing it.

02:02:26.000 You just have to draw.

02:02:26.000 I'm not drawing shit.

02:02:28.000 I'm busy.

02:02:28.000 I can kind of draw now, but not like that.

02:02:31.000 I can probably get back there if I started practicing.

02:02:35.000 All you do is be inspired.

02:02:36.000 You come to my studio, you'll be drawing.

02:02:38.000 Okay.

02:02:38.000 Well, I definitely want to come to your studio.

02:02:39.000 I want to check it out.

02:02:40.000 You got to see it.

02:02:41.000 I love that area, man.

02:02:42.000 I love Dripping Springs.

02:02:43.000 It's awesome.

02:02:43.000 It's pretty dope.

02:02:44.000 It's great.

02:02:44.000 It's got a lot of hill country.

02:02:45.000 People don't understand there's a lot of rivers.

02:02:47.000 And listen, on the backside of it, there's a whole water wet creek.

02:02:50.000 I can't believe you told me there's elk out there.

02:02:52.000 Oh, yeah.

02:02:53.000 Wandering around.

02:02:53.000 Free-range elk.

02:02:54.000 I'm going to send you photos.

02:02:55.000 That's crazy.

02:02:57.000 Marcus, send the photos.

02:02:58.000 There's an axis deer in my neighborhood.

02:03:00.000 Oh, yeah.

02:03:01.000 Oh, they're everywhere.

02:03:02.000 My wife said that there's this deer.

02:03:03.000 She goes, it's a big deer, but it has the white dots like a young deer.

02:03:07.000 I go, oh, that's an axis deer.

02:03:08.000 Yep.

02:03:09.000 Yeah.

02:03:10.000 Well, first of all, there's a lot of exotic game preserves around, and those things get out every once in a while.

02:03:14.000 And then they breed, and they're out there.

02:03:16.000 Yeah, a buddy of mine was telling him he saw a zebra.

02:03:18.000 He goes, he was driving down the street, he saw a fucking zebra.

02:03:20.000 Yeah, there's camels.

02:03:21.000 There's camels.

02:03:22.000 Have you seen camels?

02:03:23.000 No, I drive down the road and show you two camels sitting there.

02:03:26.000 There's a lot of llamas, a lot of, what are the llamas?

02:03:29.000 And what's the other one that's like a llama, smaller version?

02:03:31.000 Alpaca.

02:03:32.000 Alpaca.

02:03:32.000 Yeah.

02:03:33.000 A lot of those.

02:03:33.000 Wife wants one of those.

02:03:35.000 Yeah.

02:03:35.000 What is she going to do with an alpaca?

02:03:37.000 We got a farm, sort of.

02:03:39.000 We got like 50 chickens.

02:03:41.000 We got quail.

02:03:42.000 Yeah, 50 chickens?

02:03:42.000 Yeah, we got quail.

02:03:43.000 How many coyotes do you have coming to try to eat your chickens?

02:03:46.000 Zero.

02:03:46.000 Really?

02:03:47.000 Zero.

02:03:48.000 So, I have two neighbors who are both like shooters in the military.

02:03:53.000 And they have sniped every coyote.

02:03:55.000 Forget it.

02:03:56.000 They're not around.

02:03:56.000 We do have foxes.

02:03:58.000 And they don't actually like to kill the foxes because they look like cute kittens.

02:04:01.000 And we know where their hub is.

02:04:02.000 It's in a bunch of iron pipes off in this field.

02:04:04.000 And they play around.

02:04:06.000 And they run around.

02:04:07.000 But we've never had a chicken gone from a fox.

02:04:11.000 But they go in the coop at night and it gets locked up.

02:04:14.000 So the foxes don't come around.

02:04:16.000 And I have these two massive German shepherds that are on the property.

02:04:19.000 And they piss and they smell that everywhere.

02:04:23.000 I don't have deer problems in my area.

02:04:26.000 There's about five, ten point bucks on my property that a couple of my jiu-jitsu guys are like, you know I can take care of that for you.

02:04:31.000 I'm like, you're not getting rid of my bucks.

02:04:33.000 I'm leaving them.

02:04:34.000 Don't shoot them.

02:04:35.000 You like having them around, don't you?

02:04:36.000 I do.

02:04:37.000 I like having the animals.

02:04:38.000 Plus, they're tame.

02:04:39.000 Look, if the apocalypse comes, every deer in my neighborhood is fucked.

02:04:44.000 But if it doesn't come, I like having them.

02:04:46.000 They're pets.

02:04:47.000 Yeah, I drive around.

02:04:48.000 I can get 10 feet from a 10-point buck driving my truck.

02:04:53.000 I'm like, look at you.

02:04:54.000 I take pictures of them.

02:04:56.000 Sometimes they jump and spook.

02:04:57.000 There's a fucking elk wandering around Texas.

02:04:59.000 That's crazy.

02:04:59.000 No, they're everywhere, dude.

02:05:00.000 Look at that.

02:05:00.000 That's him right there on the right.

02:05:03.000 That's wild.

02:05:04.000 That big ass.

02:05:05.000 That's crazy.

02:05:06.000 Yeah.

02:05:07.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:05:08.000 Dripping Springs.

02:05:09.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

02:05:10.000 They're out there.

02:05:10.000 Just wandering around.

02:05:11.000 Elk are weird out here because they used to be indigenous, right?

02:05:14.000 This used to be an animal that was native to basically most of the country.

02:05:20.000 But they were wiped out around the early 1900s.

02:05:24.000 Probably actually into the late 1800s.

02:05:27.000 But...

02:05:28.000 Because they were reintroduced, they're thought of as exotic, even though they're native to the area.

02:05:33.000 So there's no hunting season on elk.

02:05:35.000 This is one of the only places in the country where there's no hunting season on elk.

02:05:38.000 So you could hunt elk the same way you would hunt a neil guy.

02:05:42.000 A neil guy is an animal from Asia?

02:05:46.000 I think Neil guys are from Asia.

02:05:48.000 It's a big ass antelope thing that's the size of an elk.

02:05:52.000 They're real freaky looking.

02:05:53.000 But they hunt them around here 24-7 all year round.

02:05:57.000 Like Russian boars.

02:05:58.000 Yeah, you could hunt it because they're considered a non-native species.

02:06:02.000 My buddy John.

02:06:03.000 Yeah, Asian antelope.

02:06:04.000 Look at the size of that fucker.

02:06:05.000 Look at how weird that thing looks.

02:06:06.000 I've never seen that.

02:06:07.000 Yeah, on Steve Rinella's show Meat Eater, they hunt it.

02:06:10.000 Look at that fucking thing.

02:06:11.000 That's kind of cool looking, dude.

02:06:13.000 Look at the body of that thing.

02:06:14.000 It's so weird.

02:06:14.000 It looks like Batman.

02:06:15.000 They're really hard to kill, though.

02:06:18.000 Like, if you hit them incorrectly, their vitals, a lot of these Asian animals and many of the African animals, their vitals are tucked in real close to their arms.

02:06:30.000 As opposed to like an elk, their lungs go pretty far back.

02:06:35.000 Because a lot of elk, I guess, I wonder why they have big lungs.

02:06:38.000 Maybe because they get in the mountains all the time or stuff like that.

02:06:41.000 They're out there running around.

02:06:42.000 See, that's the area.

02:06:43.000 This is a very small, vital area.

02:06:45.000 So if you go back from that, you're fucked.

02:06:49.000 You've got a wounded animal and you're not going to catch them.

02:06:53.000 See, that's a good picture.

02:06:55.000 Make that a little larger.

02:06:56.000 That's good enough.

02:06:57.000 See, that's where his lungs are and that's where his heart is.

02:07:00.000 Everything is real tucked up, real tight.

02:07:02.000 Whereas with an elk, the lungs really go back as far as the ribcage does.

02:07:08.000 Elks have much larger lungs.

02:07:10.000 So, Neil Guy, you have to be very accurate or you can wound them.

02:07:14.000 You ever go on any of those...

02:07:15.000 See, look how far the lungs go back from an elk.

02:07:18.000 Way back.

02:07:19.000 That'll get you excited.

02:07:21.000 Not right now.

02:07:21.000 I got a lot of meat.

02:07:23.000 I'm good for a couple months.

02:07:25.000 I love it.

02:07:26.000 I love that you're getting the meat for the family.

02:07:28.000 I give it away to a lot of people, too.

02:07:30.000 You do.

02:07:30.000 I hear it.

02:07:31.000 But it's such a...

02:07:33.000 A man thing to realize that like I provide.

02:07:35.000 You know, I'm providing.

02:07:37.000 I'm getting that.

02:07:38.000 If everything collapsed, I don't need a phone.

02:07:40.000 I got my bow and I can hunt and bring food to the table.

02:07:43.000 Well, if shit hits the fan, I'm going to use a rifle.

02:07:45.000 Tell you that right now.

02:07:46.000 You're stuck up.

02:07:47.000 Because rifles are guaranteed, especially if you're a good hunter.

02:07:50.000 If you get good at bow hunting, you could really feed your family fairly easily if there's a good supply of game with a rifle.

02:07:59.000 With a bow, it's a different animal because you've got to get inside 100 yards.

02:08:03.000 When you're at 100 yards, it's just begun.

02:08:05.000 You really want to get inside 50. But with a rifle at 100 yards, that's a done deal.

02:08:10.000 That's a close shot.

02:08:11.000 You ever go on any of those big game hunts, exotic, faraway places?

02:08:16.000 Like Africa or something?

02:08:17.000 No.

02:08:17.000 Never been, no.

02:08:18.000 You're not trophy.

02:08:21.000 You're about eating meat.

02:08:22.000 Yeah, meat.

02:08:23.000 I mean, I keep the antlers as a trophy.

02:08:26.000 Yeah, of course.

02:08:26.000 You saw antlers out there.

02:08:27.000 I got a great taxidermist here.

02:08:30.000 He'll dress them up, put some fabric on it.

02:08:33.000 I don't like that shit.

02:08:33.000 You don't like the fabric?

02:08:35.000 No, the fake...

02:08:36.000 No, no, no, not the head.

02:08:38.000 He does that too.

02:08:38.000 What does he do?

02:08:39.000 I think they call it a French mount where it's just a little fabric over the skull and they put the little thing around the horns.

02:08:45.000 I'm not interested in that either.

02:08:46.000 And it mounts up there.

02:08:47.000 I like the skull with the antlers attached.

02:08:48.000 You like seeing it all?

02:08:48.000 It's called the European mount.

02:08:50.000 Right.

02:08:50.000 Yeah, I like that.

02:08:51.000 I like the skull.

02:08:52.000 I like to see the actual skull from the animal.

02:08:56.000 My grandparents, I was always hundreds of those little European mounts all in their garage and stuff.

02:09:02.000 Yeah.

02:09:02.000 And I got one to this day that my grandma shot from her sleeping bag, and I hang it above my little kitchen area, and it's my grandma, you know?

02:09:10.000 Yeah.

02:09:10.000 Granny.

02:09:11.000 Yeah.

02:09:12.000 Yeah, those hunting ranches in Texas are the strangest places on Earth because there are thousands and thousands of acres, and a lot of them have these exotic animals that are on the verge of extinction in other places, but they're abundant here, like oryx.

02:09:29.000 You know what an oryx is?

02:09:30.000 Crazy looking animal.

02:09:32.000 Scimitar oryx.

02:09:33.000 It's like a whitish animal with these big, long, black horns.

02:09:38.000 Really cool looking.

02:09:39.000 Are they curly?

02:09:40.000 They curl?

02:09:40.000 No, they don't curl, but it's like twisty.

02:09:42.000 Yeah.

02:09:43.000 Like, that's an Oryx.

02:09:44.000 Oh yeah, I see those all the time.

02:09:46.000 Yeah, those fuckers are really difficult to find anywhere else other than Texas.

02:09:52.000 Like, an Oryx in, I think they're from Africa.

02:09:57.000 I might be wrong.

02:09:59.000 Where's the Oryx from?

02:10:00.000 You know, there's a great road if you're going out to Salt Lake.

02:10:04.000 That might be from India.

02:10:06.000 If you drive 12 going towards Salt Lake, there's about five ranches you'll pass, and you'll see those.

02:10:11.000 You'll see all kinds of things.

02:10:13.000 Okay, it is from Africa.

02:10:13.000 From Tunisia, Chad, and Niger.

02:10:15.000 So those animals in their native habitat are very close to extinction.

02:10:21.000 They're very...

02:10:22.000 Yeah, here it goes.

02:10:24.000 Hundreds of thousands of desert-adapted antelopes roam the Sahara and regions of Sahel.

02:10:31.000 How do you say that?

02:10:33.000 Sahel, regions of northern Africa, a vast desert.

02:10:37.000 Due to human disturbance, overhunting, drought, and loss of food because of excessive livestock graving, Grazing the scimitar horned ornix is now extinct in the wild.

02:10:47.000 Those surveys show that Niger and Chad may have appropriate habitat for reintroduction, and some reintroduction have begun in Tunisia.

02:10:55.000 So the wild ones, the original ones that were there, are now gone.

02:10:58.000 But there's a fuckload of them here in Texas.

02:11:02.000 Yeah.

02:11:02.000 Well, you got the land.

02:11:03.000 You can do it.

02:11:04.000 I mean, that's what, you know, I was talking with you about your new idea of looking for property.

02:11:09.000 I'm going to get a big spot.

02:11:09.000 You should.

02:11:10.000 Out here.

02:11:10.000 You should.

02:11:11.000 Well, I want to get a big spot for the podcast, too, where I can take people and do crazy shit.

02:11:15.000 Well, when you come to my facility and see, like, you'll be like, how much for this?

02:11:20.000 Like, it's got everything.

02:11:21.000 You know, we got a full pistol range, rifle range set up out there.

02:11:26.000 Do you?

02:11:26.000 I'll let you shoot all kinds of stuff.

02:11:27.000 Oh, that's right.

02:11:27.000 You were telling me.

02:11:28.000 Yeah.

02:11:28.000 Do you have a well, too?

02:11:30.000 Yeah.

02:11:30.000 We don't, because the water's shit.

02:11:33.000 Is it?

02:11:34.000 It's a horrible, hard, hard water.

02:11:36.000 So we're on rain water, but we fill up 60,000 gallon tanks.

02:11:40.000 What is hard water?

02:11:40.000 Like, full of minerals.

02:11:42.000 Minerals.

02:11:43.000 But isn't that good for you?

02:11:44.000 I doubt it, because it'll turn all your dishes white.

02:11:47.000 Right.

02:11:47.000 But isn't the water, like, drinking that water, isn't it good for you?

02:11:52.000 I can't imagine.

02:11:53.000 I think it'd make fucking calcium to pop it all in your guts and, like, piss crystals.

02:11:58.000 Piss crystals.

02:11:59.000 I don't think it's good, dude.

02:12:00.000 Really?

02:12:00.000 Yeah.

02:12:01.000 But I tell you what, the rainwater we catch off of our two massive roofs, we'll fill up 60,000 gallons with just a small rain.

02:12:07.000 Really?

02:12:08.000 Yeah, we never run out of water.

02:12:09.000 And if you do, you can buy more.

02:12:10.000 It's cheap.

02:12:10.000 Right.

02:12:11.000 They'll come and fill it, put 2,000 gallons in.

02:12:13.000 Jamie, finding out if hard water...

02:12:15.000 It says it's not a health hazard, but I'm trying to see what the badness is.

02:12:20.000 I don't want crystals in my dick, bro.

02:12:21.000 You might want to check the arsenic level, it says.

02:12:23.000 Yeah, dude.

02:12:24.000 You've got to drill 1,000 feet to get good water out there.

02:12:28.000 Really?

02:12:29.000 1,000 feet is so far.

02:12:31.000 Normal well is about 700. Really?

02:12:33.000 Yeah.

02:12:34.000 1,000 feet down.

02:12:35.000 A thousand feet?

02:12:36.000 That's like fucking three and a half football fields, isn't it?

02:12:38.000 So what you have out there, you have the infinity, no, the trinity, I'm sorry, the trinity wells, trinity spring, that's what you're going to.

02:12:45.000 So you have a lot of signs out there that say, trinity's not infinity, you know, and they don't like all the new development happening and tapping into those.

02:12:51.000 Oh, people are tapping into the water.

02:12:53.000 Tapping in, yeah.

02:12:54.000 And wells go dry.

02:12:55.000 People are like, yeah, well, that went dry like four years ago because, you know, the water dropped and the hole's down here.

02:13:01.000 Right.

02:13:01.000 They gotta push it down deeper to strong.

02:13:03.000 Right.

02:13:04.000 Wells always remind me of people.

02:13:06.000 No, you know what it reminds me of?

02:13:07.000 Borat.

02:13:08.000 Throw the Jew down the well so my country can be free.

02:13:13.000 There is some of our favorite epidemiological studies that show potential correlations between hard water and lower cardiovascular disease mortality.

02:13:24.000 Because of all the, like, calcium and magnesium you'd be getting through that.

02:13:27.000 Son, I'm getting healthy.

02:13:28.000 But.

02:13:29.000 But.

02:13:29.000 It might be, it's just, you know, it's epidemiological.

02:13:31.000 Might be bullshit.

02:13:32.000 Right.

02:13:32.000 Never know.

02:13:34.000 Could be just healthy people wind up living in that rural landscape and have lower cardiovascular health or better.

02:13:42.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:13:44.000 Well, Todd, let's wrap this fucking bitch up and bring it home.

02:13:47.000 Tell people, is artofwhite.com, is that your website?

02:13:51.000 Artofwhite.com is my website.

02:13:52.000 Um, Art of White is my Instagram.

02:13:54.000 Jump on there.

02:13:55.000 I could use some followers.

02:13:56.000 I am horrible.

02:13:57.000 I'm horrible about social media.

02:14:00.000 I'm horrible about posting.

02:14:01.000 That's probably good.

02:14:02.000 People yell at me all the time.

02:14:03.000 They're like, you don't fucking post enough.

02:14:04.000 You don't do this.

02:14:05.000 You don't do that.

02:14:05.000 And I'm like, you know, for me...

02:14:08.000 It's better to be that than to be too active.

02:14:10.000 For me, I'm always like, I only want to post if I have something fun or cool or art to share.

02:14:15.000 I don't need to post...

02:14:16.000 Look at this car wash.

02:14:18.000 Isn't it clean?

02:14:19.000 I don't want to be that dude.

02:14:21.000 And I've unfollowed people.

02:14:23.000 I followed a couple of people that I would like, musicians that I love.

02:14:27.000 And I'm like, I follow them.

02:14:28.000 And every other post is like, oh, today my cat is, look at him.

02:14:32.000 And I'm like, done.

02:14:33.000 I'm out.

02:14:34.000 I don't want to see your cat.

02:14:35.000 I don't want to see your pussy.

02:14:36.000 I don't want to see none of it.

02:14:37.000 I'm out.

02:14:37.000 Wow.

02:14:39.000 Well, everybody's different.

02:14:40.000 Some people want to see everything.

02:14:41.000 I know.

02:14:42.000 I don't like it.

02:14:42.000 What kind of vitamins are you taking?

02:14:44.000 Show me your daily stack.

02:14:45.000 Yeah.

02:14:46.000 Pocket dump.

02:14:47.000 Show us your pocket dump.

02:14:48.000 Oh, yeah.

02:14:49.000 What's your daily carry?

02:14:51.000 I'm not going to show you.

02:14:52.000 All right.

02:14:52.000 Well, listen, brother.

02:14:54.000 I'm happy you initially inspired me to come out here.

02:14:58.000 You were the first person to plant the seed.

02:15:00.000 Thank you, man.

02:15:00.000 I'm glad I planted a seed in you.

02:15:02.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:15:03.000 Legitimately.

02:15:04.000 We weren't even wrestling.

02:15:05.000 Yeah.

02:15:05.000 Crazy.

02:15:06.000 It just happens.

02:15:08.000 So we're going to get you out to the school.

02:15:09.000 We've got our school in Dripping Springs.

02:15:10.000 Sounds good, dude.

02:15:11.000 It's going to be kicked up and opened on January 4th.

02:15:14.000 That's when it's going to be fully?

02:15:15.000 Brand new school, yeah.

02:15:15.000 That's the place you built.

02:15:16.000 I watched that on your Instagram.

02:15:18.000 I watched that all built.

02:15:19.000 You built the steel structure, the whole thing.

02:15:22.000 That's the compound.

02:15:22.000 That's only for elite friends and people.

02:15:26.000 That's the private training facility.

02:15:28.000 Two different training facilities.

02:15:28.000 So that's where you and the SEALs will come over and Jocko will be.

02:15:32.000 Jocko's already came over there.

02:15:33.000 Nice.

02:15:34.000 We're going to start a little run-shoot-fight class.

02:15:38.000 Where we roll around, we do a mile, maybe two-mile run on my property.

02:15:43.000 I have it all on that beautiful DG, decomposed granite path trails.

02:15:48.000 Terrain, up, down, up, down.

02:15:50.000 And you run right to your station, you pick up your weapon, and you do a shooting course.

02:15:54.000 And it's almost like scored like a CrossFit, right?

02:15:57.000 So every week, you get to do it again, and it may change.

02:16:01.000 We'll come up with silly names.

02:16:03.000 And it's run, it's head up by all ex-seals.

02:16:06.000 That's a great idea.

02:16:07.000 And so it's really great because let me tell you, fight for 30 minutes, no break.

02:16:11.000 Okay, get a partner equal.

02:16:13.000 Look, we got great people we train with.

02:16:14.000 There's no douchebags where they're like, I'm going to rip your head off for 30 minutes.

02:16:17.000 It's like you're rolling, they'll give, they'll take, they'll give, they'll take.

02:16:21.000 You're sweating, you're working, your forms are at a pump.

02:16:23.000 Bell goes off.

02:16:25.000 Drop your gi top.

02:16:26.000 Keep your gi pants on.

02:16:27.000 Run two miles.

02:16:28.000 Slide your shoes on right there.

02:16:29.000 Put your shoes on.

02:16:30.000 Run two mile loop.

02:16:32.000 It's a hard two miles.

02:16:33.000 It's not an easy.

02:16:34.000 It's up terrain, downhill, uphill.

02:16:36.000 Run it.

02:16:37.000 Run right to your station at the shooting range.

02:16:39.000 Guy's sitting there with a timer.

02:16:40.000 Go.

02:16:41.000 Boom.

02:16:42.000 Shoot your plates.

02:16:44.000 And then you get scored.

02:16:45.000 And you get scored.

02:16:46.000 What's your misses?

02:16:47.000 What's your time on the shoot?

02:16:49.000 And then put your weapon down, and there's your score.

02:16:52.000 And it goes on a log board.

02:16:55.000 And so we do that.

02:16:56.000 And I'm no experts in firearms, but I am a student, and we have guys that come out, and they train with us, and they teach us up-close shooting.

02:17:05.000 They teach us push-off shooting, falling down on your back shooting.

02:17:11.000 Don't shoot your feet.

02:17:12.000 Don't shoot your knees.

02:17:13.000 And it's really awesome to get that training from those guys.

02:17:17.000 And why?

02:17:18.000 All because we're on our own property in Texas.

02:17:19.000 And it's private land.

02:17:22.000 We don't have to worry about shit.

02:17:24.000 And you get awesome people.

02:17:25.000 You attract that person.

02:17:27.000 We were starting to get a little too big with some of those classes.

02:17:30.000 So for a regular jujitsu, we opened up a new school in Dripping right off 290. And it's going to be up and running.

02:17:38.000 I mean, I'm leaving here and going there to work.

02:17:40.000 And it's a mimic of that school.

02:17:42.000 Huge mats and great people.

02:17:44.000 Beautiful.

02:17:45.000 And we want you there.

02:17:46.000 All right.

02:17:46.000 It's in.

02:17:47.000 It's on.

02:17:48.000 Todd White, ladies and gentlemen.

02:17:49.000 Thank you, Joe Rogan.

02:17:50.000 My pleasure.

02:17:51.000 Goodbye, everybody.

02:17:52.000 See you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 26, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1584 - Todd White

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