In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe and Mark talk about how great it is to live in Miami Beach, Florida, a place where the sun is always shining, the sand is always nice, and the people are always having fun. Joe also talks about spring break in college, and how much better it is than the rest of the country during that time of the year. And Mark talks about how much he loves it here, and why he thinks it s the best place in the world to be in the summer. They also talk a little bit about what it's like to be a college student in college during spring break, and what it s like to live through spring break as a teacher and a parent in a city that doesn't have much of a spring break policy. Also, they talk about the craziness that's going on in the streets of Miami, Florida during the last week of spring break and how to navigate the crush of people trying to get out of the city during the peak season. It's a good one, and it's a fun one to listen to, so don't miss it! Check it out! Check It Out! Subscribe to the show Subscribe on iTunes Learn more about your ad choices. Rate, review, and subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts! If you like what you're listening to, share it with a friend, and spread the word to your friends and family about the podcast! Thank you for listening to the podCastle, wherever you get your stuff, and good vibes are appreciated! Cheers, Cheers! Cheers. -Jon & Mark -The Joe Rogans Podcast by Night, all the best and Good Luck, Thank You, Jon & Mark Good Morning Joe, Good Luck! -Jon and Mark Good Luck Out There! - Cheers - - Jon and Mark, The Good Morning Morning Joe - The Good Life Podcast by -- Cheers - by , , Cheers!! & Cheers? by . (featuring the Good Morning Podcast, Good Luck & Good Life, , Good Morning, & Good Luck? - Good Luck | Thanks, Good Blessings, by: ~ Can't Say Something Good Morning Good Morning & Good Day, ( )
00:00:50.000Well, much like yourself, Joe, I got a little bit disillusioned with California over the years and thought that I would try a different location, particularly one that didn't have any personal taxes.
00:01:03.000And, you know, we had gone to Miami Beach for a week every year for vacation, so we felt like we knew it.
00:01:11.000And then we wound up saying, you know what, let's try for a year and see if we like it and we'll move out of California.
00:01:16.000And if it doesn't work, we'll move back.
00:01:18.000And I'm telling you, man, a year in, I'm like, this is like summer camp and a spa and a playground every single day.
00:01:26.000I mean, look, the water's 20 degrees warmer on any given day.
00:02:31.000Why are the cops shooting pepper spray balls at them?
00:02:34.000You know, they tried to enact some temporary ordinances that failed immediately, failed out of the gates, and I don't think they knew how to control the crowds at...
00:03:06.000Yeah, it's a pain to try and get reservations at a restaurant or to navigate the streets because the You know, the streets are not built for that amount of traffic.
00:03:16.000So a lot of people just leave, and that's fine.
00:03:25.000You know, the whole school strategy and the opening and reopening and not opening and having spring break and not having spring break.
00:03:33.000And then COVID. Look, as I was saying to some friends literally a week ago, a month ago, two months ago, there's no better place in the world to be right now than Miami Beach.
00:03:49.000They're getting vitamin D. You know, they're breathing fresh air.
00:03:53.000The restaurants are not only open, they're probably exceeding their previous capacity because during COVID, The restaurants were allowed to spill out into the streets.
00:04:03.000They closed some of the streets down in terms of traffic.
00:04:13.000And a lot of people who live in the building that I live and a lot of people who live in my neighborhood who would typically be occasional residents.
00:04:23.000You know, this is probably a second home for a lot of these people.
00:04:26.000Many from New York, from Chicago, from South America, sort of decided during COVID they'd hunker down in California.
00:05:01.000Even though they're wide open, they have less cases, they have less deaths, they have less hospitalizations per capita than California does.
00:05:34.000I hope I look half as good as you when I'm 67. You know, I don't want to piss anybody off, but I've looked at this from the beginning as a bad case of flu.
00:05:53.000I mean, if you have a strong immune system, I think you're going to do well during this, and that's been the biggest issue.
00:05:58.000Instead of lockdowns, if the government had said, stop eating sugar, spend some time out in the sun, move around a lot, and maybe even—and this is, I think, one of the issues was this whole thing about viral load.
00:06:11.000I don't know how much you know about that.
00:06:13.000But people who got really sick had massive viral loads partly because of being locked inside with other people for long periods of time.
00:06:20.000If you got exposed outside to a minimal viral load, there's a good chance that your body dealt with it already and managed it and got rid of it and set up whatever...
00:07:03.000And again, not to belittle the horrible experiences that some people have had, but this really gets old people for what I would say are obvious reasons, whether it's immune system, whether it's lack of vitamin D, whether it's being shut up,
00:07:53.000Yeah, that's where it gets confusing, right?
00:07:54.000Because some people will argue that it's the balance of LDL and HDL and that cholesterol is actually essential for production of sex hormones and a lot of other things that the human body requires.
00:08:31.000So in my mind, the notion that we would take this amazing molecule that is basically life-giving in many regards and vilify it and then take drugs to lower it, which if you look at the research,
00:08:47.000and I wasn't planning on going down this path today, but if you look at the research on Cholesterol and heart disease over the past 20 years, it's shifted everything away from cholesterol being the proximate cause of heart disease.
00:08:57.000Cholesterol and saturated fat are not the proximate cause of heart disease.
00:09:02.000Cholesterol is involved in the repair of damage to the tissue, and as a result, people get, because of the oxidation and inflammation, there's cholesterol that's in the plaques and things like that.
00:09:12.000But I think many, many doctors, I'm going to say the preponderance of doctors, now agree that cholesterol isn't the bad guy.
00:09:21.000And if you look at other studies, cohorts of people who've had cholesterol of 130 and lower, or 200 and above, the all-cause mortality, you die of everything else at a much greater rate with low cholesterol than you do with high cholesterol,
00:09:38.000the only difference is the cardiac outcomes.
00:09:42.000And it's not even deaths, it's just cardiac events is a little bit higher in the higher group.
00:09:48.000And what is it about cholesterol that...
00:09:52.000Why did cholesterol become the bad guy?
00:10:16.000You know, I'm not, I think most people at the top are too greedy and stupid to organize into a cabal, right?
00:10:22.000So I'm thinking, how did this happen in terms of the collective conscious?
00:10:26.000So mistakes were made early on, whether it's Ancel Keys, and I know you've had a lot of people on the show talking about Ancel Keys in the seven-country study.
00:10:37.000Oh, just this scientist in the 60s, I guess, around then, Ancel Keys, had done a study looking at saturated fat intake correlated with heart disease in different countries and found,
00:10:54.000at the end of the day, he found that there was a correlation between high saturated fat intake and heart disease.
00:11:01.000But then later on you find out that he looked at 32 countries, but picked the seven that fit his paradigm, mostly.
00:11:09.000So that was, you know, I don't know if you've had Gary Taubes or Nina on the show, but everyone has sort of beaten this one to death.
00:11:16.000The idea was that that was sort of the start of it.
00:11:20.000And then McGovern and his committee, when he was overseeing the U.S. Department of Agriculture and trying to create the first food pyramids, was convinced by Pritikin that—because McGovern's wife had had a good experience at the Pritikin Longevity Center,
00:11:38.000which was a zero-fat sort of protocol— So that politicized that enough that they decided to vilify fat.
00:11:48.000Cholesterol over the years has been more vilified because of studies done, again, correlating higher cholesterol with higher incidence of heart issues.
00:12:03.000And the drug industry certainly got on that, and that's why statins came to the forefront.
00:12:08.000Statins themselves, though, have a host of pretty bad side effects.
00:12:13.000I mean, I think until some of these other things have come down recently, I would say that statins are probably the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American public in terms of medicine.
00:12:27.000I just do a lot of research and reading.
00:12:29.000So the idea that we would, yeah, so to your point, statins tend to, you know, there are brain fog issues, liver issues, muscle weakness issues.
00:12:43.000One of the things that statins do is they decrease the amount of CoQ10 that your body produces because it's a similar pathway, and so you have to Should generally take supplemental CoQ10 with statins.
00:12:55.000A friend of mine said that when he was researching statins, one of the original patents on statins, acknowledged this deficiency of CoQ10, and so it included CoQ10 in the drug, but CoQ10 was so expensive to make, they just cleaved off that part of the patent.
00:13:11.000Anyway, I don't know where that was headed, but if we're talking about COVID, It appears that high cholesterol, higher cholesterol is protective for infections like COVID. But how is that the case?
00:13:26.000Because one of the problems with COVID is people with high obesity.
00:13:29.000Obese people tend to have a really hard time with COVID. In fact, 78% of the hospitalizations, they found out that those people were obese.
00:13:37.000I would imagine a lot of those obese people also have high cholesterol.
00:13:41.000Okay, but look at all the other factors.
00:13:44.000Obesity is a big factor in terms of just overall diminishing of your immune system.
00:13:51.000But I would say that from what I've read, blood glucose, so diabetics are much more susceptible to COVID because this virus tends to like higher blood sugar.
00:14:04.000If you have a pre-existing systemic inflammation...
00:14:09.000Vitamin D probably, you know, across the board, the greatest predictor of your survivability of COVID. So if people have been locked inside all year and haven't had any sun exposure, their vitamin D status has been compromised tremendously.
00:14:30.000So if you look at those vitamin D status, cholesterol, blood sugar regulation, and then other things like obesity or pre-existing conditions like COPD or whatever, we're in a world of hurt,
00:15:10.000Name one that was more mismanaged than this.
00:15:12.000I think there's also part of the problem is that people have a really hard time adjusting once they make an initial observation or initial plan of attack.
00:15:19.000And the initial plan of attack was that COVID was going to be something that killed a massive amount of people, far more.
00:15:27.000We thought it was going to kill like 10% of the people and it was going to be a bloodbath.
00:17:44.000Well, not only that, the data shows that it dies in contact with UV light.
00:17:48.000I mean, if we're going to base this on science, and we're supposed to, there's virtually no evidence whatsoever for any spread of this disease with outdoor contact.
00:18:27.000And so if you were outside digging in your garden, it would be like the prototypical best scenario for someone who wanted to avoid COVID would go outside in your garden, start gardening, get some vitamin D from the sun.
00:19:16.000It's the most simplistic thing, but the first time you and I talked, and you talked about the issues that you had with inflammation of your joints, and that you were kind of told that this was going to be your situation from here on out.
00:19:27.000And as you got older, it was going to get worse.
00:19:29.000You changed your diet, eliminated all this processed sugar, eliminated all the bullshit, and...
00:19:37.000Again, it's so simple and simplistic, it's almost like unbelievable.
00:19:42.000And yet, my whole background is in evolutionary biology and genetic science and looking how our bodies respond to information from food, from sleep, from sun exposure, from play, from dirt exposure.
00:19:55.000And when you realize that we evolved over, you know, Two and a half million years of human evolution and a hundred years of mammalian evolution and a billion years of multi-cell evolution.
00:20:06.000A lot of these things are encoded in our DNA that expect us to act certain ways and eat certain things.
00:20:13.000And when you bypass that with, you know, crunchy, salty, fatty, sweet, cheap stuff, you mess with the signaling and you wind up with genes getting turned on that might cause inflammation and turn off the genes that It would burn fat and turn on the genes that would store fat and turn off the genes that build muscle.
00:20:32.000These are all just, it sounds really, if you look at the level of every study now that looks at what happens at the level of gene expression, you understand that so many of these things that we do on a daily basis affect how we rebuild,
00:21:07.000It seems so simplistic when you put it that way.
00:21:09.000But people have this odd disconnect between what they put in their body and what kind of effect it has on them, because they seek out food pleasure, and they seek it out as a reward.
00:21:19.000Oftentimes when you're working and you're bored, you go to the candy machine.
00:21:22.000This is like a standard thing that people do.
00:21:25.000They give themselves a reward for being in a shitty state of mind.
00:21:40.000You're wired to eat, but you're going to go struggle and suffer and sweat and strain so you can go home and have a few more bites of something you probably shouldn't eat in the first place?
00:22:00.000I mean, I don't even partition my meals that way, so I'll eat a portion of a meal as a cheat every other meal sometimes.
00:22:11.000I'll have a couple of bites of bread with some great butter on it, or I'll have a couple of bites of a dessert, or I'll have a couple of bites of pizza once in a while.
00:22:20.000So, you know, my path has been from almost orthorexic, like really dialed into everything I was eating.
00:23:28.000And when people shift away from the sugar and they go toward even a low-carb diet and they start thinking, well, I'll have salads and I'll have salad dressing.
00:23:38.000And then they don't realize that the great salad that they just made, which could be one of the healthiest things, They could eat.
00:23:44.000They just ruined with a soy-based dressing or canola-based dressing.
00:23:49.000So I got rid of the industrial seed oils, got rid of the sugar, got rid of the processed and whole grains in my case.
00:24:12.000That was what really put me on a path to change the way the world eats.
00:24:17.000Because I thought to myself, you know, if I spent my whole life as an endurance athlete carb loading with healthy whole grains, because that was the moniker, right?
00:24:41.000And I couldn't figure out what it was.
00:24:44.000And even after I got rid of sugar and I started doing a lot of research, I still sort of kept the grains in my diet.
00:24:49.000Because I'd been indoctrinated into this thought that, The U.S. Department of Agriculture pyramid says 6 to 11 servings of grains every day.
00:25:00.000And then my wife at one point said, look, you're doing all this research on grains, and you're starting to uncover some pretty interesting facts that don't point toward health.
00:25:09.000Why don't you give them up for 30 days and see what happens?
00:25:12.000And that's what happened, and it changed my life.
00:25:15.000If I'm a guy who used to eat a lot of grains, who then, even in the face of knowledge about them, defended my right to eat grains, and then I got rid of them, how many tens of millions of people are sort of thinking that grains are healthy and they're good for them, and even though they don't have celiac, they're still on a spectrum of being negatively impacted by grains.
00:25:38.000It's so hard for people to swallow because of this thing that's been shoved into our face that grains, whole grains, like that term, whole grain.
00:25:48.000If you had a box and you said whole grain and you had an option, healthy, non-healthy, the vast majority of the country would check healthy for whole grains.
00:26:43.000I mean, I don't know if there's a correlation, but in his eyes, he wanted to curb sexual desire, so he prescribed some very bland grain cereals for people to eat.
00:26:57.000And I don't know how many people were eating breakfast cereal before he came along.
00:27:04.000I mean, he most certainly had a giant impact on the way people eat breakfast.
00:27:58.000Like when you say, what did they eat before that?
00:28:00.000Well, they ate oatmeal or gruel or something that took long to prepare, but all of a sudden this guy comes along and he says, you open it up, you pour it in a bowl, you put some milk on it, you're good to go.
00:28:09.000And through that, everyone ate cereal as a kid.
00:28:13.000And I don't know if you did, but everyone where I grew up, that cereal that was breakfast, And you would eat Special K if you wanted to eat healthy.
00:29:05.000Well, I mean, that's one of the reasons I left California, is the governance at every level is messed up.
00:29:10.000And it's the health police, because they think they know what's best for everyone else.
00:29:16.000Well, it also creates a business of regulation.
00:29:18.000And once people are vested, they have a vested interest in regulating, and there's a bunch of people whose jobs is to regulate, that only expands and grows.
00:29:31.000When you have the kind of government like California has that doesn't just...
00:29:38.000Have an over bloated bureaucracy, but it encourages it to get more and more bloated.
00:29:43.000And anytime there's a new problem, they create new committees and they want to pass new laws and new regulations and hire new people and hire a group to sit around and think about how to handle a situation.
00:29:55.000But when you have that sort of mindset, that mindset is never the mindset of trimming down and cutting away and, oh, this is what the problem is.
00:30:05.000The mindset is just in regulation, and that's the California mindset.
00:30:41.000But I wonder if in some places people recognize the errors of our ways over the last year.
00:30:47.000Because it's one thing that has been exposed over the last year, more than anything in my lifetime, is how important it is to have a mayor that's not a moron.
00:30:55.000How important it is to have a governor that's not a moron and a governor that understands that you have to give people freedom.
00:31:14.000And there's a lot of essential businesses that got labeled non-essential, which is, by the way, terrible for people's self-esteem, mental health.
00:31:24.000And then the economy suffers a gigantic hit because these businesses go under.
00:31:28.000California has famously lost 75% of its restaurants in Los Angeles, at least.
00:31:34.000Yeah, I mean, I don't see how there isn't yet another shoe to drop on the economic forecasting, because I think a lot of the businesses that were going to fail haven't yet really completed the failure cycle.
00:31:46.000Because I know a lot of, like you do, I know a lot of people who...
00:31:50.000Went out of business or just struggled, and the worst to me, the first lockdown, and you struggle through it, and you get into April or May, and it looks like there's light at the end of the tunnel, and you borrowed $300,000 to keep your restaurant open, and then all of a sudden, there's another lockdown, and now it's even more egregious.
00:32:32.000And they didn't like the fact, and they were like, you're going to kill everyone.
00:32:35.000But I love how he did it when he did a press conference with charts, and he said, we are going to protect our most vulnerable, and this is how we're going to do it.
00:32:44.000But we think very strongly that children should be able to go back to school.
00:32:48.000It poses little to no risk for children, especially in comparison to the flu, which actually kills kids.
00:33:52.000And that doesn't mean, you know, locking yourself up in a room.
00:33:55.000And I read the other day, the average weight gain was like half a pound every 10 days during COVID? Yeah, they think they said the average, like 42% of the people gained weight and the average weight gain for millennials was 39 pounds.
00:34:23.000But even if it's 20 pounds, it's 20 pounds in the wrong direction.
00:34:27.000Well, I think what they're saying is for the 42% that did gain weight...
00:34:31.000It's not that everyone gained weight, most people didn't gain weight, but the 42% that did gain weight, the average weight gain was more than 30 pounds, which is a lot of, that's a big change in your body over 30 years that can also have a massive negative health impact for years to come.
00:34:47.000When you put that kind of a burden on all of your, your endocrine system, all your body systems so rapidly.
00:34:56.000Yeah, this is one of those things that gets to the polling, but they polled 3,000 people.
00:35:00.000So, when you get into those numbers...
00:38:14.000And all you other women out there that are getting angry and stuffing the incorrect food in your mouth, looking at that, you should approach this differently.
00:38:23.000You should say, I want to do what she's doing.
00:38:25.000But this idea of this plus model industry, and I'm not against plus models, man.
00:38:29.000Look, if you're big and you want to wear hot clothes, you should be able to do whatever you want.
00:38:38.000And I think my whole thing in life is I want to help people be happy.
00:38:43.000At the end of the day, all the stuff we talk about, whether it's dialing your sleep in or getting the right body weight or being strong or fit or productive or whatever, it all trickles down to one thing.
00:39:03.000If happiness is really what we're seeking as individuals, and it could be I'm happy because I'm making a contribution to the world or whatever, then if you're a large person and even if your health isn't really dialed in,
00:39:19.000but you truly tell me you're healthy, I'm like, okay, that's fine.
00:40:28.000You know, I've gone through, again, all these iterations of trying to...
00:40:34.000Assist people with the information that I've come across in my research on how they can achieve an ideal body composition, have more energy, maintain or build muscle, improve their immune systems, have better sex, be more productive, whatever it is.
00:40:48.000These are the hidden genetic switches that I'm trying to uncover for people.
00:40:55.000And in so doing, you can choose to do it or not.
00:40:58.000I'm not suggesting you have to do this to have a great life, but here are some of the ways that we do it.
00:41:03.000And it started with a primal blueprint and then sort of morphed into, well, the primal blueprint works really well for a lot of people, and it even worked well for me, but is there something else?
00:41:11.000Is there a new, like, level I could get to?
00:41:37.000I mean, I have a lot of friends who do keto the whole time.
00:41:40.000I'm not a person who says, that's the way.
00:41:43.000Keto's the be-all and the end-all of how you should live your life.
00:41:47.000Because I'm more about achieving metabolic flexibility.
00:41:52.000And that's a term that's come up in the last couple of years.
00:41:55.000I don't know if you've heard it, but it basically describes your body's ability to extract energy from whatever substrate is available at the time.
00:42:00.000So making it easier for your body to balance back and forth from fat to carbohydrates and not require so much of a gap.
00:42:11.000And if you never go down the route of keto and all you do is eat carbs your whole life or have a carb-centric diet, you never get to the point where you're burning fat efficiently or effectively.
00:42:25.000Your body is just demanding that it continuously run on carbs and never tap into your fat stores.
00:42:31.000Typically, you get incrementally fatter and fatter.
00:42:34.000And then if you skip a meal or skip two meals or try to go on some sort of a fast, The wheels fall off because you haven't built the metabolic machinery to burn fat, to burn ketones, and all the things that go along with metabolic flexibility.
00:42:48.000So it turns out metabolic flexibility is the holy grail in how you get there, whether it's primal, paleo, vegetarian, vegan, fasting, IF, whatever.
00:43:01.000It's almost like it doesn't matter What route you use, if you can get to the point where you're metabolically flexible, now you have this ability to extract energy from your own stored body fat whenever you don't eat.
00:44:35.000The reason is you're trying to prompt the body into making changes that it doesn't want to make.
00:44:42.000When you go to the gym and you lift weights, you're prompting the body to build muscle that it really doesn't want to build, but now you're giving it a reason to.
00:44:51.000When you withhold carbohydrate from the diet, sugar in particular, but carbohydrate in general, And the body senses that it's not going to get glucose for a while.
00:45:00.000It starts to go to a plan B, which is to build the metabolic machinery to start to extract energy from stored fat cells to burn that fat, to combust that fat in the muscle cells.
00:45:13.000It takes some of the fat and sends it to the liver to convert into ketones because the brain works really well on ketones.
00:45:20.000In fact, the brain works better on ketones than it does on glucose for most people.
00:45:26.000So the body has this built-in plan, this diagram, this genetic program that you're born with to be metabolically flexible and to be able to extract energy from fat and from ketones and from glucose.
00:45:41.000And it would normally go that route, but we never give it the reason to.
00:45:50.000Well, for most of human history, we ate and we didn't eat.
00:45:54.000It wasn't like, you know, breakfast was the most important meal of the day or make sure you keep, you know, little Tupperware things of a little bit of protein and some carbohydrate to eat every two or three hours or else your muscles will go into cannibal mode.
00:46:11.000And because food was so scarce, when we did come across food, we tended to eat more, and certainly sweet foods like fruits was even more palatable, so we probably tended to eat more of that.
00:46:24.000So we're wired to overeat, and we have this amazing...
00:46:28.000It's a design that allows us to take excess energy and convert it into fuel that we carry around with us all the time, conveniently located above the center of gravity.
00:46:39.000So it's on the hips, on the butt, on the thighs, on the belly.
00:46:43.000So we tend to carry this excess body fat as a survival mechanism from a million years ago.
00:47:16.000The problem is it was designed so that when you didn't eat food, you could take that same fuel, take it out of storage, combust it, and not be any of the worst for wear.
00:47:27.000Not think of anything other than, you know, I'm still going to hunt.
00:47:31.000I'm still going to do all these things.
00:48:42.000So, you know, your brain is kind of frazzled because you haven't given it the opportunity to really thrive on ketones yet.
00:48:51.000Your body's making ketones, but you haven't, again, you haven't built that metabolic machinery to use them efficiently and effectively.
00:48:56.000And so the brain's still looking for glucose.
00:48:58.000And as a result, what happens is the brain will send a signal to the adrenals to secrete cortisol.
00:49:03.000Cortisol then, you know, goes throughout the body and strips amino acids from muscle tissue to send them to the liver to become glucose so you can feed the brain.
00:49:15.000And it's also, you know, one of the reasons why back in the old bodybuilding days, in the old training days in any gym...
00:49:23.000This mantra about don't go more than three or four hours without eating or you'll cannibalize your muscle tissue.
00:49:28.000If you haven't become fat adapted and keto adapted, that does happen.
00:49:31.000You do cannibalize muscle tissue when you go long periods of time without eating.
00:49:37.000When I say standard American diet, I don't mean junk food, but if you're a person who eats normal, you eat a little bit of pasta, a little bit of bread, but you eat mostly healthy.
00:49:45.000If you decide that you're going to fast, Your body's going to cannibalize some muscle.
00:51:23.000One of the many things that happens when you fast is that your body goes into a different mode and it starts to realize that there's not going to be a lot of fuel around for a while, and so in addition to burning stored body fat, in addition to making ketones, and by the way,
00:51:39.000ketones come from fat, so some of the fat that you combust is also just converted into ketones that your brain can use.
00:51:45.000It also, the body also says, like if you were to be a, if you had a brain, if you were a cell and you had a brain and you thought, well, generally there's a lot of fuel around, so my job is to pass the genetic material along to the next generation, so there's plenty for two of us,
00:52:01.000so I'll just divide and there'll be two of us, and that'll be great.
00:52:03.000That same cell, in the absence of this sort of bathing in nutrition, goes, wow, this...
00:52:09.000Not even enough for one of me, let alone two of me, so I'm not going to divide.
00:52:42.000No, but—and I used it in a book, but all of a sudden, in the context of what's going on in the world and the Great Reset, like, I never want to hear that term again.
00:52:51.000Oh, the Great Reset, isn't that—that's the conspiracy theory that the government is using this to change the financial structure of the country?
00:53:11.000So she will do these fast, but she's metabolically flexible, so it's easy for her to do.
00:53:17.000But if you're not metabolically flexible and you take on a fast of three days, you can get through it and it's probably good for you.
00:53:28.000My whole thing is I want this to be, if you chose to do something like that, I want it to be pleasurable and easy and graceful and something you look forward to doing, not something you dread doing.
00:53:40.000Can you intermittent fast and get your body to be more metabolically flexible in that way?
00:53:54.000So the premise of the book is once you've developed metabolic flexibility to engage in as much time as you can of not eating throughout the day to maximize all of these Benefits that we just described that come from not eating.
00:54:13.000One of the things we say is most of the good things happen to us when we're not eating.
00:54:18.000Most of the repair, most of the recovery, most of the rebuilding happen when we're not eating.
00:54:22.000When we're eating, which we have to do, it comes with inflammation and it's a necessary thing, but the good stuff all happens when we're not eating.
00:54:33.000We can expand that window of not eating.
00:54:36.000And with the two meals a day program, which pretty much anybody who's keto now does, you just have an evening meal, and then you don't eat until 1 o'clock, 1.30, 2 o'clock the next day.
00:54:48.000So you have two meals a day, and you have that 18-hour window.
00:56:01.000So with two meals a day, we build a strategy where, you know, we eliminate the big three, the sugar, processed grains, and the industrial seed oils.
00:56:11.000And then we, you know, start to cut back a little bit on the starchy carbs for a while, because once you develop the flexibility, you can introduce the starchy carbs again.
00:56:21.000And then we basically say, look, let's see how long you can go without feeling bad when you wake up in the morning, you know, and see if you can go till 10 o'clock or 10.30 before you have to eat.
00:56:32.000And if you can go longer, that's great.
00:56:34.000And if you go that long and do a workout and feel good, that's even better.
00:56:38.000So the end result is, well, this all came from a...
00:56:44.000A thought experiment I did a while back where I looked at, first of all, how much food we eat as humans.
00:56:58.000And most of us use as a metric, like, what can I get away with?
00:57:03.000Like, what's the most amount of this food I can eat and not get fat?
00:57:06.000Or what's the most amount of this dessert I can have and not feel like a glutton or not feel guilty later on or not look like I'm whatever?
00:57:13.000So we try to get away with As much as we can.
00:57:16.000And a lot of guys in the gym, that's their thing.
00:57:20.000I love to eat, and I'm going to eat as much as I can.
00:57:23.000And if I can get away with more, I'm going to work out more, and I'm going to balance it out.
00:57:29.000But it's kind of a ridiculous way of looking at life, like how much of a glutton can I be every day, every meal?
00:57:36.000So I did the reverse of that, and I thought, what's the least amount of food we can eat?
00:57:41.000And maintain muscle mass or build muscle mass.
00:57:43.000What's the least amount of food we can eat and have all the energy we need throughout the day?
00:57:50.000And if you can look at that in terms of like the minimum effective dose of food, what's the least amount of food I can eat and enjoy every freaking bite with gusto and delight...
00:58:02.000And then be okay with saying, you know what?
00:58:09.000And typically you find if you've developed this metabolic flexibility that you can eliminate 25 or 30% of the calories you used to eat with zero adverse effect and probably entirely to your benefit.
00:58:21.000When you go 16 to 18 hours a day, or anyone does that, if you do that on a regular basis, will that make your body more adapted to burning fat?
00:58:31.000Because in the 16 to 18 hours a day, that's where your energy is coming from.
00:58:36.000And so we look at, you know, you look at some of the top endurance athletes now, Zach Bitter, good example, guy derives 97% of his energy when he's running a 100-mile race, doing 6-minute, 45-second miles,
00:59:58.000So then a couple years later, I'm like, I think I've already hit that number with books and seminars and blog posts and stuff like that.
01:00:07.000Let's make it 100. So I boosted it up to 100. One of the Best things I did with the food company was I brought new people into understanding how the body works and how eating real food with healthy sauces and marinades and toppings and things that made that healthy food taste that much better.
01:00:29.000Again, I probably expanded the universe of people that now begin to really appreciate the effects of food on the body.
01:00:37.000But I still have like a book a year in me, and I'm still doing books on how we can achieve greatness.
01:00:46.000I don't often use that term, but how we can...
01:00:49.000You know, achieve this level of health and satisfaction and enjoyment of life.
01:00:54.000I mean, the tagline of my company is Live Awesome.
01:00:56.000And as I said, I want everybody to, at the end of the day, all I want is to be happy.
01:01:01.000You know, and if I can help you do that through my methods, and then the rest of what you do, whether it's financial or with your family, that's up to you.
01:01:08.000But I can certainly assist on the health side.
01:01:12.000And when you started this book, was there anything surprising that you found while you were putting this book together?
01:01:19.000No, this is really the synthesis of 30 years of doing this.
01:01:26.000And it's almost like, you know, this book was rewriting stuff that it had already written, but in a way that's more user-friendly to the average person.
01:01:40.000So nothing in my framework has changed scientifically, but I'm always trying to figure out how can I say this in a way that will appeal to the most people.
01:01:49.000So, I think everyone realizes they probably eat too much food, but how can I find a way to not only convince them to do it, but make it easier and make it not just easier, but pleasurable in a way that enhances their lives?
01:02:06.000People like those meal prep companies.
01:02:08.000It's one of the things that people like about them is that they give you a reasonable portion of food, especially if it's a good company.
01:02:14.000It'll be based on your body mass and what kind of activities you're involved in.
01:02:18.000Do you ever use one of those or do you recommend anything like that?
01:02:22.000Well, no, because now we produce meals.
01:03:42.000So it's in the frozen section of a lot of stores now.
01:03:46.000And that was one of the things that was curtailed from COVID. So we were going to launch last year in April, and then a lot of the stores said, look, there's going to be nobody coming into our stores, and we're not going to make any big shifts until we know how this sorts out.
01:04:33.000So I sold the company to Kraft Heinz two years ago now.
01:04:40.000And I've been intimately involved ever since, and mostly on the R&D side.
01:04:43.000So the amount of R&D that's gone into creating these has been amazing.
01:04:48.000And, you know, so we will have Zoom calls.
01:04:53.000To cook in real time whatever, you know, we're working on, whatever the latest iteration is, and then there'll be, you know, eight of us on a call, and then we'll have to fill out forms about, you know, spiciness and sweetness and all that.
01:05:33.000I mean, it's designed for moms who are in a hurry and don't want to fix dinner for their kids or whatever or want to spend less time fixing dinner for their kids and want to serve them up something healthy.
01:05:50.000On occasion, like I love to cook steak at my house, so I mostly have steak, but if I'm out of steak or whatever, then I'm going to pull it back up.
01:09:08.000I'm like, well, I've got to have my steak, so...
01:09:10.000You know, you can get these little tiny grills that fold up, little camp grills.
01:09:15.000They're this tiny little thing that's made out of metal that's like the size of a notebook.
01:09:19.000And the little sticks come out of the corner and you put it on the ground, you light a fire underneath it, get it hot and grill right over it.
01:09:27.000Maybe next time, but this time I was hanging it off a stick, and it was great.
01:09:31.000Well, the problem is you could use the wrong stick.
01:09:34.000Yeah, if the stick falls into fire, you're screwed, too.
01:09:36.000Also, if you don't know about poisoned sticks, poisoned branches.
01:09:41.000I think Callan was telling me about some guy who him and his son cooked food off of...
01:09:48.000They made these skewers off of some branch, and it turns out to be a toxic plant, and they wind up getting sick and dying.
01:10:45.000I pan-fry it with butter, salt and pepper, pan-fry on one side, flip it over, get a lot of the gooey butter and stuff in there, pan-fry on the other side, let it stand for 10 minutes.
01:10:56.000So it's moderate heat and you're doing it lower, because if it's butter, you don't really want to sear it at a very high heat.
01:12:44.000I want to enjoy every bite of food, and I happen to like some vegetables, too, and I happen to like different things.
01:12:50.000So even if you could demonstrate to me that Jordan's way of doing it is better in terms of your health, I might say, well, you know, there's a...
01:13:00.000A line that I'm not going to cross because I love the taste.
01:13:59.000A lot of people screw up on keto or screw up on some of these, even IF, intermittent fasting, because...
01:14:10.000If you're metabolically flexible, then you can derive a lot of this energy from the fats in your meal and from the protein, and you've cut the carbs down.
01:14:19.000But if you then finish it off with a dessert, now you're raising your insulin.
01:14:24.000The insulin is—well, you're raising your blood sugar, first of all.
01:14:28.000And then you're raising your insulin, so the insulin is trying to get rid of the glucose in your bloodstream, and it's also locking the fat into the fat cells so you can't burn it off.
01:15:00.000What's going on when you're combining the sugar and healthy food?
01:15:08.000I mean, the mechanism, as I say, if you're eating otherwise healthy food, even if you've got some starchy carbs in there or some vegetables that are providing carbohydrate, you know, they're slow-burn carbohydrates.
01:15:22.000They don't go directly into your bloodstream.
01:15:25.000They sort of leak into your bloodstream over time.
01:15:27.000Many of these are locked in a fibrous matrix, so it takes a while for your body to digest them.
01:15:32.000But then when you consume the sugar, the sugar goes straight into the bloodstream, so the blood sugar goes sky high, and now it sets up this whole reaction where, again, your pancreas is secreting insulin, the insulin is trying to get rid of all the sugar that's in your bloodstream.
01:15:47.000So a healthy meal can be ruined by dessert.
01:16:25.000The paleo treats and the keto desserts and all these things are like trying to come up with a version.
01:16:31.000It's almost like Beyond Meat trying to come up with a piece of steak that's made out of vegetables.
01:16:37.000And here we are trying to create a sugary dessert that looks like a dessert and tastes like a dessert, but is made with erythritol and allulose and all this other stuff.
01:16:46.000I'm glad you brought that up, because I think there's real promise in these meats that are made in a laboratory in terms of their cloning meat.
01:16:56.000You know, they're taking meat and reproducing it.
01:16:58.000And I've seen some of these really strange-looking 3D-printed steaks, but it's actual animal tissue.
01:18:58.000Yeah, I think regenerative agriculture is the way we need to go to feed the world.
01:19:06.000Not through ceasing growing animals and trying to do it all in the lab.
01:19:11.000Well, Rob Wolf has a new book out and he was supposed to be on right around April, but a bunch of shit went down and we're going to have him on again.
01:19:24.000The benefits of regenerative agriculture.
01:19:26.000Yeah, the people that are skeptical, though, don't think that we could do it at a scale that's necessary to provide as many people with meat as eat meat in this country because of fast food production.
01:19:37.000Fast food production, the way they believe, the way I've heard it argued, and it makes a lot of sense, is that the scale in which we're consuming meat in this country because of fast food requires factory farming to keep up with it.
01:19:52.000Well, for now it does, but, you know, there's got to be a tipping point.
01:19:55.000There's got to be a point at which we have to recognize that by concentrating everything in our world, not just food, but all of these different concentrations, that there is a point at which we can't satisfy people's needs and needs.
01:20:11.000And so I see us sort of going back to the cottage industry farm, the local grown, you know, the local farmers.
01:20:18.000I mean, I would love to see if there's going to be any subsidies in agriculture, it should be for local small farms that are trying to do regenerative agriculture and reclaim the topsoil and, you know, build back instead of continuously depleting it.
01:20:34.000And I think one of the interesting things is that one of the big arguments against everyone eating vegetables is monocrop agriculture, which is essentially what you would need.
01:21:12.000It's terrible for all the wildlife that gets moved and displaced because of the fact that you have 4,000 acres of corn or some crazy shit like that.
01:21:58.000If that was a normal thing that occurred in the wild, if in the wild, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, there was 4,000 acres of naturally growing vegetables, that would be one of the most wildlife-rich areas.
01:23:59.000And they work together symbiotically to make sure that...
01:24:03.000You can do that, at least we've demonstrated on small scale, and this is what Rob's book is about, and a lot of other people have talked about this as well, that when it's done correctly, it actually produces a carbon neutral effect.
01:28:29.000No, prioritization and responsibility, you know, taking responsibility, those are kind of a key ingredient in getting your life back together again, I think.
01:28:40.000And with regard to, you know, eating...
01:28:44.000One of the issues that I saw people have is, you know, well, noon, it's lunchtime, right?
01:28:51.000It's like, whether I'm hungry or not, it's noon, we should have lunch.
01:28:54.000Well, what if you, you know, prioritize something else at noon, to your point, and be okay with the fact that you don't have to have something to eat just because it's 12 p.m.?
01:29:06.000Isn't the problem with people, though, that that's their only window to eat if they work?
01:29:11.000But again, if you're doing two meals, well, okay.
01:29:14.000Possibly, but let's go back to breakfast.
01:29:17.000Like, breakfast is the most important meal of the day.
01:29:29.000I've got to start my day by sitting down and doing something else instead of going off and being productive and going to the gym and going to work and doing all the stuff I'm doing?
01:29:38.000So, you know, this frees up a lot of time as well, this compressed eating window is one of the terms we use for it.
01:29:46.000I started a few years ago working out in the morning before my first meal, and it made a big difference.
01:30:54.000It's so much so that there's times where you, you know, and the sand is so fluffy from the wheels going through, people walking through, that you, like, have to focus on going two miles an hour just to stay upright to get through it.
01:32:48.000Yeah, well at least the first UFC in the United States.
01:32:51.000They did a live audience in Abu Dhabi fairly recently where they, I think they had to have a COVID test, a negative COVID test within 24 to 48 hours or something like that.
01:33:30.000Most people who are going to die have died.
01:33:32.000I mean, it's a horrible thing to say, but I think it took a lot of elderly people who only had a few months left anyway.
01:33:40.000And so now, if you get exposed, and again, the viral load is minimal because you're out and about and you get a couple of little virons instead of You know, a massive dose that the healthcare workers got, for instance, in the first days or first weeks of the pandemic in New York,
01:33:56.000when the healthcare workers were getting sick, they were getting incredible viral loads.
01:33:59.000Well, you can't, you know, there is a difference between a small viral load and body handling.
01:34:04.000You know, so I think we've gotten to the point where every state ought to be considering opening back up fully.
01:34:12.000Yeah, I mean, California, it wasn't until Gavin Newsom started getting recalled that they started opening things up.
01:34:45.000It's like there's a sickness in power.
01:34:48.000There's a sickness in being able to tell people that they can't work, and once you have done that, I think it's just human nature.
01:34:56.000I think people are very reluctant to release that, because if they were basing it entirely on the science, they would have to take Florida into account.
01:36:26.000It's weird to see, and it's going to be really weird in four or five years when Los Angeles hasn't recovered, because they think California's going to bounce back real quick.
01:36:34.000One of the reasons I left California was I saw it on a slippery slope going downhill, even way before COVID. And whether it's the taxes or whether it's the way it's governed or whether it's the...
01:36:49.000Their prohibitions on businesses are unbelievable.
01:36:52.000And I've had several businesses in California.
01:37:28.000Another one during that construction...
01:37:32.000Title 24, which is a good idea, energy conservation, had to build a switch that would dim the lights or turn the lights off whenever there was ambient daylight outside.
01:37:40.000It would recognize the amount of light inside and save energy by turning lights off.
01:37:44.000Well, at some part of every morning when people were eating breakfast at 10.30 when the sun was up here, if a cloud came by, the lights would go on.
01:37:51.000They'd flicker on and off for an hour every day, and you couldn't bypass the switch.
01:37:57.000Then when I went to sell the business, it went into escrow, and then the escrow money stayed there for a year because the state wouldn't release it partly because of COVID and partly because they couldn't find a tax return that had been filed a year earlier.
01:39:22.000But this concept, the way it's been applied to California, that this insanely inept government is supposed to be able to take care of you and tell you what you can and can't do.
01:41:25.000No, but I mean, I'll give another example.
01:41:26.000My house burned in the Malibu fires, in the Woolsey fires in 2018. I still had a house in Malibu.
01:41:32.000We had been trying to sell it, but it burned in the fires.
01:41:35.000And the mismanagement of that whole Malibu fire thing was...
01:41:39.000Somebody's, I think, writing a book about it, but it was horrible.
01:41:43.000And so there'd be fire trucks from neighboring states, not just neighboring communities, but neighboring states, positioned on PCH, and people could ask...
01:41:52.000Dude, my house is on fire just up the street.
01:42:54.000The second night, the winds picked up, and embers from burned-down houses a mile away blew through the air into the eaves and rafters of my house.
01:43:11.000So my daughter was living in the house, and I was literally watching it live-streamed on local CBS 2 in L.A., And my daughter's in the house, and I got pictures I could show you, though.
01:43:24.000There's the fire line coming toward our house.
01:43:27.000And I'm like, get the dogs and get out.
01:43:28.000And she's like, no, I think we've got time.
01:43:30.000And then when I see one of the reporters on PCH with the flames already down to PCH, I'm like, get out of the house now.
01:43:56.000As her husband was unloading, you know, there were boats that were bringing supplies in because no supplies could come in through PCH. Yeah, I was in Bell Canyon, and when the firefighters in Bell Canyon, my friend Bud, I told him where I have all my elk stored.
01:44:14.000And so I let him into my house, and then we took all the elk meat and fed the firefighters.
01:44:21.000So he kept a grill running while all these guys were trying to...
01:44:43.000And with a water hose, which, by the way, was down to a trickle because the firefighters were using all of the major hydrant, all the pressure had dropped.
01:44:51.000Right, you can't even protect yourself.
01:44:52.000You couldn't even douse yourself to keep yourself from catching fire yourself.
01:44:56.000It was weird to see because I was at home.
01:44:59.000I had actually done a set at the Comedy Store, and I came home, and it was about 12.30 at night, and my wife and I were looking out the window, and she was like, I think we should get the fuck out of here.
01:46:28.000And, you know, I talked to these firefighters when we were doing Fear Factor once and this guy said something that scares me to this day.
01:46:34.000He goes, it's just a matter of one day where the right wind hits Los Angeles and it burns right through the entire city all the way to the ocean.
01:49:17.000So that was always a big thing in Malibu.
01:49:19.000And then there's the politics of where you're from, and whose break it is, and who's the alpha on the wave, and Oh, there's fights, too, right?
01:51:18.000Well, even in my 30s, I was still a crazy man.
01:51:21.000So I would do, even after I retired from competition, I would still, I was a coach to professional triathletes, so I'd ride with them sometimes.
01:51:28.000Tell people what you did athletically, though, so people understand.
01:51:31.000Okay, so I was a marathoner in the 70s.
01:51:47.000Tendinitis in my hips and arthritis in my feet.
01:51:50.000So I shifted over to triathlon and I did Ironman.
01:51:53.000My first event ever, my first triathlon ever was Ironman Hawaii.
01:51:57.000So I did triathlon for a couple of years.
01:51:59.000Wound up finishing fourth in Hawaii, but was not into swimming that much.
01:52:10.000But in those days, I was riding 200 miles a week.
01:52:13.000I was running 40, 50 miles a week as a triathlete, swimming a little bit, spending some time in the gym.
01:52:18.000It was an inordinate amount of time working.
01:52:22.000And as I retired, if you're that sort of an athlete and you think about endorphins and the rush that you get from training, you literally do seek it on a daily basis.
01:52:35.000And so I couldn't just go cold turkey, so I wound up coaching elite triathletes and riding with them and doing their workouts with them and lifting with them.
01:52:48.000But there was a point at which I realized I don't need to do this much stuff to look fit.
01:52:54.000And I thought, well, it's better to look fit than to be fit.
01:52:58.000So now, for the last 20 or 30 years, I mean, I haven't run a mile in 20 years.
01:53:04.000I haven't put on shoes to go out and run a mile in 20 years.
01:53:07.000Now I can play Ultimate Frisbee or do sprints on the beach and still crush it sprinting.
01:53:12.000It's not like I don't run, but I just have no interest in running long distance stuff.
01:53:18.000And the bike riding on the sand, it's interesting, it's challenging to me.
01:53:21.000It's not like I'm just going for three hours into the hills on a road bike.
01:53:24.000A lot of fighters love long-distance running, maybe not heavy distance, but like six miles, seven miles, because they think that it provides you with a cardio base that allows you to recover and keep going.
01:53:38.000I'm thinking that a lot of the stuff you're doing with the jiu-jitsu, probably if they just orchestrated it a little bit differently, it would have as much benefit.
01:53:47.000That's one of the things I've learned about myself in the past.
01:53:52.000You know, your loss of aerobic capacity doesn't drop off as much as your loss of strength and muscle and power.
01:54:00.000So you have to work on the strength, muscle, and power.
01:54:02.000You have to work on the lean mass a lot more as you get older.
01:54:05.000And that's like the number one thing I tell people over 50. Like, stop the running.
01:54:10.000You know, you can run once in a while, but don't run 50 miles or 40 miles a week or 30 miles a week.
01:54:14.000You know, spend more time in the gym and spend more time doing, you know, hex bar deadlifts or squats or lunges or, you know, and upper body stuff because that's where the real benefit comes to your metabolic flexibility, for one thing,
01:56:15.000I can do, you know, I'll do, I'll work lower with a lot of reps and work up to about that.
01:56:21.000I mean, I've done 330 recently, and I'm, again, at my age, and I'm a skinny former runner, so my joints are not really designed to handle that kind of stuff, and that's The one thing I don't want to do is get injured, you know, working out.
01:57:13.000I had a friend who did that who was on the juice, and that's one of the problems, is that if you're doing steroids and you're doing heavy weights, the tendons can't keep up with the muscle tissue.
01:57:25.000And so at the division, the line there between the tendon and the muscle, it starts to separate.
01:57:57.000I have one 90, I think it's a 91 or 92 pound kettlebell, and I use that for single hand stuff, cleans and swings and things along those lines.
01:58:12.000I found out, to me at least, what I like to do, martial arts, kettlebells are the most beneficial.
01:58:19.000When I use them, for whatever I do, whether I do lunges or split squats or regular squats or overhead squats or cleans and presses and windmills, all those different things, the fact that I'm forced to use the whole body with those, like I'm not trying to get any bigger.
01:58:35.000I'm just trying to maintain my muscle mass and keep my cardio.
01:58:41.000Because in jujitsu, you're moving your body in these weird ways and you're trying to keep from getting strangled and you have to constantly be moving.
01:58:49.000I find that it's the most applicable to athletics in terms of the kind of athletics.
01:58:55.000Even when I kick the bag, the more I lift weights, the more I keep my back strong.
01:59:16.000What are you monitoring through all your training?
01:59:21.000Well, while I'm training, I basically go by feel.
01:59:25.000But after all, I look at the strain, I look at my recovery in the morning, that's big, and I'll see what my actual sleep was, what my actual number of hours sleep, and what my recovery score is based on heart rate variability.
01:59:37.000That's why I like the whoop strap, because it gives me a good understanding of how I'm recovering.
02:00:03.000I think the data is sometimes suspect and...
02:00:07.000And when I ask people, like, okay, so how did you adjust your behavior?
02:00:12.000They go down the list of all the things they probably knew they should have done anyway, and they just proved that it wasn't working for them, so they have to...
02:00:20.000I think sometimes it just makes you accountable when you see that data.
02:01:40.000I have a picture of me in 1980 wearing one of the first heart rate monitors.
02:01:47.000It was a chest belt with three electrode leads that went from the chest down to a cigarette pack.
02:01:54.000I've been into this thing for a long time, way before Polar Electro came out with their stuff.
02:02:00.000But after a while, it's like, what do you do with the data if at the end of the day, if you're training, you're going to get in a race, and it's just going to come down to how you feel.
02:02:10.000A lot of guys use them to compete against each other as well.
02:02:59.000That's the problem with it as well, because some people think that, whether it's an Apple Watch or any of these Fitbits, that they can become addictive.
02:03:24.000I disagreed with some of his points when it came to fitness wearables, but he felt like they'd become addictive the same way phones are addictive.
02:03:34.000But I'm like, yeah, but you're addicted to working out, which is a good thing.
02:03:39.000If you're addicted to getting in the work, I would say that is one of the most beneficial addictions that you can get.
02:04:07.000Clear drop-down there, but at some point, that's still an addiction.
02:04:12.000It's still something that's not—it's just taking the place of something else that's missing in your life.
02:04:19.000Sort of, or is it ultimately beneficial?
02:04:25.000If anything can get you away from heroin, heroin's the bad thing, right?
02:04:28.000If you're addicted to booze, you're drinking all day, and then you become addicted to running, for sure you're going to have a better resting heart rate, you're going to have a healthier lower body mass, you're going to look better.
02:06:29.000I would just say, you know, now where I draw the line is if at the end of that meal, if I'd had You know, a complete dessert, it would have screwed everything up.
02:06:37.000First of all, I would have felt like shit.
02:07:00.000I realized a while back that I'm not willing to sacrifice five hours of discomfort trying to go to sleep with a high heart rate for what amounts to four minutes of gustatory pleasure.
02:07:40.000Oh, I mean, that's the part about the body fat thing that people don't get when they say, because I say, well, I live on my own stored body fat for, you know, most of my day.
02:07:52.000And, well, you don't have any body fat, Mark.
02:07:54.000Well, I got 20,000 calories worth of fat, disposable fat on me.
02:07:58.000That doesn't even include the stuff that's protecting the organs.
02:09:17.000And if you break down, you know, the macros, protein, carbohydrate, and fat, protein is largely, shouldn't even have a caloric number attached to it.
02:09:29.000You're not supposed to combust protein, except in an emergency.
02:09:33.000So if you get 40, 50 grams of protein, the first 40 or 50, I don't care how many you're getting in a day, but the first 40 or 50 probably go to rebuilding and repair.
02:09:42.000Shouldn't even be assigned a caloric value.
02:09:44.000But when you're eating a lot of protein and you're not taking a lot of carbs, like when you're on a carnivore diet, then you have gluconeogenesis, right?
02:10:43.000Well, what that means is your body's making more ketones than it needs and it's spilling them out into the urine and the breath and they're in the bloodstream, but you're not using them.
02:10:51.000When you become good at ketosis, like these carnivore guys are, most of the ketones are going to the brain, and the liver doesn't overproduce the ketones.
02:11:02.000It just makes enough to fuel the brain.
02:11:05.000So does that mean when you use, whether it's a urine strip or whatever method of measuring ketones, you wouldn't necessarily show that you're in ketosis?
02:11:17.000Quite often, won't even show that he's in ketosis, but he's making ketones.
02:11:21.000It's just that his body is not overproduced.
02:11:23.000Like the term osis connotes a, has a connotation of a disease state.
02:11:29.000So ketosis means you have too many ketones.
02:11:33.000But guys who have been, like Darth Luigi, one of my friends at LMNT, I see you get the element stuff out there in your thing, Rob's partner in LMNT, Todd White owns Dry Farm Wines.
02:11:46.000These guys have been keto-ish for 10 years.
02:11:49.000They almost never show much more than 0.5, 0.6, 0.4 millimolar.
02:11:54.000So technically they're not even in ketosis.
02:12:16.000Like Dom is getting most of his energy from fat, some from ketones, and then whatever glucose his body requires comes from gluconeogenesis, which is sometimes converting the excess protein that he takes in into glucose.
02:12:33.000Some of it comes from the glycerol part of the triglyceride molecule, which is combusted.
02:12:39.000The three fatty acids are combusted for fat, but the glycerol becomes the backbone of glucose.
02:13:12.000If you envision the closed loop, what happens is you have no incoming food, so your body takes its stored body fat, it uses the fat that it combusts in the muscles to do the work, to walk around, to be active all day long.
02:13:27.000It takes some of the fat and converts it into ketones to fuel the brain, which the brain, again, loves ketones.
02:13:35.000And then it takes some of the glycerol and whatever needs there are for glucose, certain red blood cells, certain brain cells, it can easily accommodate that.
02:13:48.000And then an amazing thing happens where one of the reactions to the body's upregulation of enzyme systems and genes is a protein sparing effect kicks in.
02:14:00.000And all the protein that you used to deaminate and piss out on a day-to-day basis because of the amount of protein you're taking in, this all becomes recycled in a protein sink, and so you don't even lose that much protein.
02:14:11.000So whatever repair is going on in the body, you have enough protein to do that without taking protein in because of the sparing effect of this.
02:14:19.000And it's just so elegant, and you can see how our ancestors could survive for long periods of time without eating food, And without getting hangry and without getting depressed and curling up on a ball and beating their feet on the ground or stomping in anger or whatever,
02:14:58.000Is that the brain, if most of the ketones are going to the brain, the brain doesn't have this wild swing in energy demands.
02:15:06.000You know, you go into the weight room and you do a heavy leg day, you know, your thighs and your glutes are going to be using 30, 40, 50 times as much energy to do the heavy weights as they would at rest.
02:15:19.000While you're doing that, the brain's just cruising along at one, one and a half, two times normal output.
02:15:27.000So the brain does not have a lot of energy requirements, chess masters included, by the way.
02:16:42.000There is no metric under which the brain uses...
02:16:46.000Typically, the brain uses about 500 calories a day.
02:16:49.000I can't imagine a situation where it's going to use a lot, unless you've got some organic condition that's wrong with you, where it's going to use three times that.
02:17:11.000I'm curious about this because this is something we discussed on the podcast multiple times.
02:17:14.000It comes from an article that Robert Sapolsky wrote about, and from explanations I'm reading through on multiple websites, it's sort of saying that the brain causes other body things to happen.
02:17:29.000So because you're thinking so much, it'll cause an increased heart rate, which then causes the body to do other things.
02:18:10.000Drawing on research from Sapolsky, who studies stress primates at Stanford University.
02:18:15.000The reason for the high caloric burn is due to breathing rates, which tripled during competition, blood pressure, which also elevates during competition, and muscle contractions.
02:18:24.000Before, during, and after major tournaments.
02:18:39.000If they're well-trained, it's all fat.
02:18:41.000Otherwise, they're eating cookies and cakes.
02:18:43.000So it's because of the significance of the tournament to them, that it's big time and they're making a lot of money, so it's stress and they're thinking about it a lot.
02:18:55.000I wonder how much an intense conversation, like a three-hour conversation like this, where you're spouting off all these facts and all these different things.
02:19:15.000But the effects of epinephrine, the effects of all of the stress hormones and all the things that are going on and the high heart rate, although I don't, you know, I don't feel like my heart rate's high.
02:19:28.000And, you know, there's a theory that each of us has sort of a point at which our body knows to shut down from having...
02:19:38.000The couch potato syndrome, which is well known among elite athletes, is you train your ass off all day, then you spend the rest of the day recovering, resting on the couch, and your body just goes into a hibernation.
02:19:48.000And so at the end of the day, you don't burn any more calories than your neighbor down the street did gardening and walking around and shopping and doing all these other things.
02:19:57.000Is that a requirement, though, for your body to recover, that you do sit on the couch and just do nothing?
02:20:02.000What happens is if you don't do that and you keep burning calories against your better judgment, you create a deficit.
02:20:10.000At some point, that deficit five days, six days, two weeks later becomes an immune compromise or something.
02:20:17.000And this is a caloric deficit or a recovery deficit?
02:21:06.000I was a contractor during most of my running career.
02:21:08.000So I would literally be monkeying up and down a ladder all day, five days a week, In the sun, eight hours a day, and then go home and run 15 miles.
02:22:44.000You know, I was involved in doping for triathlon for 15 years.
02:22:48.000I basically wrote the anti-doping rules for triathlon and then administered them, every positive test I heard around the world for triathlon.
02:22:57.000It's an interesting arena because most of these things that they take are actually medicines that they give to other people without any problem at all, and yet they deny That is funny,
02:23:19.000It's what any of the inhalers, the inhalers.
02:23:27.000Cross-country skiers have exercise-induced asthma because they're on the dry thing.
02:23:33.000And for a long time, they weren't even allowed to use inhalers, even though they had asthma.
02:23:38.000The IOC eventually created a TUE, a therapeutic use exemption for those guys.
02:23:44.000Of course, then what they would do is, even if you didn't have asthma, you would apply for a TUE. That's what they did with mixed martial arts and testosterone.
02:23:52.000The TUEs for testosterone, guys would just do steroids, and then they would get their testosterone checked, and their testosterone would be very low, because they just got off of steroids.
02:24:02.000And so they'd go, wow, you need testosterone.
02:24:05.000And they'd get on testosterone and look jacked.
02:24:07.000The thing about any of the anabolic steroids is the benefits stay with you.
02:24:14.000So some guys who used, especially in track and field, who used for a while, even if you got caught and you spent two years on the sidelines, you didn't lose what you got.
02:26:21.000But when people can actually get into the wiring under the board and monkey with who you are and make you a super genius that's 350 pounds of solid muscle and can run through walls, we're going to have a bunch of genius Hulk babies out there.
02:26:38.000Well, sports is going to end as we know it.
02:26:41.000End, because there'll be no— Well, I think that's the real concern, is that other—you know, one of the things that people think of when they think of gene doping is, what's China doing?
02:28:22.000Gets caught up in this whole thing where they bust these people that are cheating in the Sochi Olympics, and he has to escape, and he comes to America, and he testifies, and then now he's on the run, fearful, fearing for his life.
02:29:37.000See if we'll give up some juicy details.
02:29:39.000But I do wonder about that stuff because on one hand, listen, I think we should pursue it because no one wants their child to have some sort of an incurable disease or some sort of a horrible, you know, handicap.
02:30:02.000And at some point, I guess you have to draw the line, although you draw the line in polite society, but do you not draw the line?
02:30:12.000Is there going to be a black market CRISPR thing?
02:30:14.000Oh yeah, that's going to happen first, right?
02:30:16.000That's the real problem, the haves and the have-nots.
02:30:18.000The gap will be so wide, because initially it would be really expensive.
02:30:22.000So the people that get on it initially are going to be the really wealthy people, and they're going to have this massive advantage, and their children will have this massive advantage, and then that gap will be even wider by the time it trickles down to regular folks.
02:32:08.000Now, sometimes I'll go five minutes, six minutes up, you know, dunk all the way in and then just hang out up to my neck for that.
02:32:17.000But then I have to warm up because if I don't warm up after that, I'm going to be shivering the rest of the night.
02:32:21.000Other times I'll just do, say, three, three and a half minutes and then, you know, just stay shivery for the next hour and get that brown fat going.
02:32:54.000It's so relaxing to get out and then go up and have a nice glass of wine and have dinner, maybe watch a show, a TV show, and then go to bed.
02:34:30.000And that's, you know, that's overdoing the therapeutic, you know, hormetic effect, which is intended to do a small stress to your body and you recover by, you know, by upregulating a bunch of immune things.
02:34:44.000But you can, if you overdo it, it's not good.
02:34:47.000It's, you know, it's gonna suppress your immune system.
02:35:00.000Yeah, and I go in my backyard pool, and it was in Malibu.
02:35:04.000And believe it or not, Malibu gets down into the 40s in the wintertime, and when the Santa Ana's blow, the pool heat comes up, and then the wind blows the heat off, and so it super cools.
02:35:14.000Anything that's at the bottom rises, the wind blows it off, so it can get down way below the ambient air temperature and even below the ground temperature around it if a cold sand is blowing.
02:41:14.000Yeah, so we lived in Miami Beach for a year in another building with a great view, and we were getting a sense of South Beach and what it was like.
02:41:22.000And then we kept hearing about this other building, and then we decided we would rent a place for six months in the other building.
02:41:29.000And then after two months, we're like, we're all in, man.
02:45:21.000Well, I was going to create this wonderful, low-cost housing for people who had lost their last paycheck and give them an opportunity to get back on their feet and let them self-govern these little villages.
02:45:33.000And it was going to be a utopian thing.
02:45:35.000And as I got deeply into it, I'm like, well, that's not going to happen.
02:45:39.000Yeah, I have a friend who worked with homeless people, and it changed his perspective.
02:45:44.000He thought that he was going to do a great service by doing this, and then towards the end he felt like he was wasting his time.
02:45:52.000He's like, there's a problem here that you're not going to fix by providing them with goods and services.
02:45:58.000Yeah, he said these, there's, and then there's also, there's a despair.
02:46:02.000There's a thing where you're not taking care of yourself.
02:46:05.000They think that one of the ways if you're going to rehabilitate homeless people is to give them some sort of sense of self-worth and allow them some method where they work towards recovery.
02:46:47.000The way government spends money in California, you know, $30 billion on a rail to go from the valley and $2 billion to widen the 405 for 17 miles.
02:47:10.000You know, it used to cost $50 million to build a bridge.
02:47:14.000Even as recently as the 70s and 80s, now it's a billion dollars to build a bridge, and 200 million of it is the environmental impact statement that takes five years to do, right?
02:47:23.000So I just don't see who is out there in the wings that can turn this around.
02:50:30.000Well, and again, the state would argue in their very liberal thinking, If they want to live there, why should they not be able to live there?
02:50:42.000Meanwhile, you can't throw garbage on the street.
02:50:45.000How come you can leave your garbage there if you call it a tent filled with shit?
02:51:04.000Anything else you want to tell people?
02:51:06.000No, just Primal Kitchen, the food company.
02:51:08.000Again, when you clean up your diet and you get rid of all the sugar and the bad carbs and the processed carbs and the industrial seed oils, you come down to a fairly short list of actual real food, and what makes the difference are the sauces, the dressings,
02:51:23.000the toppings, and the methods of preparation, the way you make these exciting to eat and give variety on every meal.
02:51:31.000And so that's what we do at Primal Kitchen.
02:51:32.000We create these Amazing pasta sauces and salad dressings and condiments and things like that to make real food eating exciting.