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00:02:13.000And we agree that we have fantastic technology that's indistinguishable from magic, if you brought it to three, four hundred years ago, right?
00:02:22.000What we experience now is nothing in comparison, especially as the laws of technology and they expand at an exponential rate.
00:02:32.000If you look at what we can do now and look at what we're going to be capable of a hundred years from now or a thousand years from now, It's going to be impossible to distinguish between reality and simulated reality.
00:02:44.000They will develop an alternative virtual reality that's impossible to distinguish from.
00:02:50.000So the question is, how do you know if that hasn't already taken place?
00:02:54.000And maybe that's how the universe works.
00:02:57.000Maybe the idea of things being concrete and physical that you can touch and things that you can weigh is just the experience that we've currently been accustomed to.
00:03:05.000Maybe that's not the whole way the universe works.
00:03:09.000Yeah, I had this conversation with Scott Adams.
00:03:12.000He was on my podcast and I was kind of...
00:03:48.000That thing starts creating these virtual worlds.
00:03:52.000And these virtual worlds are run by artificial intelligence that becomes sentient as well.
00:03:57.000So that artificial intelligence continues to create newer and better virtual worlds, and then it's a self-sustaining system.
00:04:06.000And this self-sustaining system becomes a new version of reality.
00:04:10.000If you think about the idea of multiple dimensions and even multiple universes, There's an infinite number of possibilities for not just life, but life-creating technology that we can't even wrap our heads around.
00:04:28.000Let's imagine a solar system where they don't have the issues that we have with meteors and asteroids.
00:04:34.000Maybe they don't have the super-volcano issues that we have.
00:04:39.000So they're not dealing with extinction events every X amount of years.
00:04:44.000So they've had the ability to go from becoming a primate or whatever it is on their planet that's similar to becoming this super advanced thing without any hiccups.
00:04:56.000And they've gone on for millions of years.
00:04:58.000So we've been human beings in this form For hundreds of thousands of years, if you go back and you take a guy from 100,000 years ago and you dress him up in a suit and put him in a movie theater, not that you go to movie theaters anymore, put him in a restaurant in Texas where it's legal,
00:06:15.000There's not even a way for you to think of what's possible when you have hundreds of millions of people innovating without interruption, and they go on for millions of years.
00:07:46.000And it's unable to be captured in that sense.
00:07:49.000Now, the year 2020 might have convinced me otherwise.
00:07:53.000And it scares the hell out of me, frankly.
00:07:56.000But you're in Texas now, and that's what we're all about, is that independent-minded thinking.
00:08:03.000And I would like to think that it would break the system, that it's just not possible.
00:08:07.000Well, the simulation might be something that you can exist in and use the same principles that you can exist in as a rugged individualist in reality.
00:08:20.000Like, it's just because it's a simulation.
00:08:22.000Yeah, but there's an answer for everything in this theory.
00:08:26.000Well, it would just fix it because it's so advanced.
00:08:30.000I'm saying it might be an alternative reality.
00:08:33.000Human beings that might have created, or intelligent life, might have created an alternative dimension that exists in what you would call cyberspace.
00:08:42.000If it fully forms out, what if someone in a lab, what if some scientist figured out a way to literally create another universe?
00:09:52.000But the idea is that There's an infinite number of universes and an infinite number of planets, an infinite number of possibilities in terms of intelligent life forms creating things.
00:12:39.000Yeah, I've also heard it explained that the reason why it changes is because there's a method that you're using, you're interacting with it when you're observing it, and that's what's changing it.
00:12:48.000It's not that it's actually changing because you're observing it, it's because you're interacting with it while you're observing it.
00:14:06.000There's a lot of people that believe that you can sort of manifest reality and that reality and the quantum world is somehow entangled with your consciousness in some sort of a weird, spooky way.
00:14:19.000My point is that a lot of people will take advantage of this weirdness and sort of apply laws and rules to this weirdness that they have sort of a script for and that you should follow and then next thing you know you're in a cult.
00:15:07.000I'm not married to the simulation theory.
00:15:10.000In fact, I think it's more likely, and this is going to get real strange, I think it's more likely that it's an inevitable possibility rather than it's a reality.
00:15:21.000I think it's an inevitable possibility.
00:15:23.000I think if we don't blow ourselves up, there's going to come a point in time where, did you ever see Ready Player One?
00:15:33.000That's probably 50 years in the future where you're going to be able to put on a haptic feedback suit and some sort of VR goggles and you're going to enter into some incredibly advanced artificial reality, virtual reality that's amazing.
00:15:52.000And then it's going to be a new trick of, well, how do we prevent people from, I don't know if we can prevent people, or how do we deal with this obvious problem where the virtual reality becomes the preferred lifestyle, which is, it already is for a lot of people, playing video games or on social media or whatever it is.
00:16:27.000I mean, it seems like the people that want to go back to the hunter-gatherer days, like, you know, we're better off for hunter and gathering.
00:17:03.000I was blown away by the politics of it.
00:17:06.000I'm a politician, so this is what I analyze.
00:17:08.000And I was blown away that the conversation about how to deal with the last year became the division...
00:17:18.000The division fell upon partisan lines, right, about whether to lock down or not to lock down, about whether people liked masks or didn't like masks.
00:17:34.000You would think about just because what you're really talking about is somebody's risk assessment and how they perceive risk and how they want to deal with that and how they think everybody else should deal with that.
00:18:10.000See, the problem is once people get committed to an ideology or committed to a narrative, just because Trump lost and now Biden's in power, it's not like everybody just abandons this narrative and creates a new reality based on objective truth.
00:18:24.000But they'll never even do an after-action report on it to the point to where it's ridiculous.
00:18:30.000I thought you were showing us something.
00:18:32.000And so I put another few factors in there.
00:18:36.000I think some of it is the fact that Democrats tend to congregate in urban areas and it might be, you know, the virus is more in your face in an urban area than in a rural area.
00:18:44.000There might be some explanation there.
00:19:14.000So we clearly assess risk differently somehow.
00:19:17.000So I looked at data on the kind of jobs that we choose.
00:19:21.000And it turns out, and this is intuitive, you would guess this, that the vast majority of dangerous jobs are mostly populated by conservatives, lumberjacking Hard labor, military, law enforcement.
00:19:36.000So it's obvious that we're choosing to engage in risk differently, just overall, in the aggregate.
00:19:43.000And so I think that gets at why we think differently about this.
00:19:49.000And on top of that, the natural disposition of a liberal to believe in some sort of collective action Whereas the natural disposition of a conservative is to believe that government can only do so much, right?
00:20:01.000There's life out there, and sometimes it's dangerous, and it's up to you as an individual to generally assess that.
00:20:07.000And that's also the most efficient way to do things in order to get the best outcomes in the aggregate.
00:20:11.000So these are two dispositions that are always present, and they manifest in policy outcomes all the time.
00:20:17.000And in this case, it's pretty obvious how they manifested into the way we dealt with coronavirus.
00:23:11.000There's a lot of like low status males, a lot of like really weak people who have never really overcome physical adversity or they're not successful, but they found a way online to gather up a group of people that resonate with some of their opinions and they can attack people.
00:23:49.000They've decided that this is their stand.
00:23:51.000This is their line in the sand they're going to draw.
00:23:53.000Now they're going to be anti-racist or they're going to be anti-homophobic or anti-transphobic or whatever it is, and they're going to attack all these people.
00:24:04.000There's so many different ideological pathways that you could choose, that you could get a group of people that agree with you, and then you fight against anyone that opposes these ideas, and you do it in a really...
00:24:15.000Aggressive and nasty way, which is something that we should push back against, period.
00:24:22.000Ideas should be something that you should be able to discuss and debate and analyze.
00:24:30.000You should be able to sit down and go, why do you believe in the simulation theory?
00:24:35.000We shouldn't be like, well, you're a fucking idiot, Joe Rogan.
00:25:06.000I always say that you're either wearing a blue jersey or a red jersey, and then you act accordingly, and you repeat these sort of mantras that you think you're supposed to repeat in order to gain favor within that group, make sure they know you're part of the loyalists there.
00:25:19.000And if you don't say the things, then that group gets distrustful of you.
00:25:23.000But this is a problem we have on the right, right?
00:26:17.000And if we look at the policies actually being implemented, that tends not to be the case.
00:26:22.000But what I see on my side, because I'm always dealing with my side, We tend to be looking, instead of thinking how to persuade, this is the problem I have and I'm trying to change, not that I have, I mean that I think we have.
00:30:07.000I think of the United States as a community.
00:30:08.000And I think if there's someone in the community that's hurting because of bad circumstance or bad fortune, we should be able to take care of them.
00:30:18.000The same way we're able to keep the power grid up, the same way we're able to fix the bridges, we should be able to provide health care to the members of our community.
00:30:30.000I think we should also make people personally responsible for their own health.
00:30:33.000I think you should step up and say, hey, I want you to have healthcare based on your current circumstances, but I also want you to do the work to get your health better.
00:30:43.000And that's where I think we need to make a division.
00:30:46.000And I'm as left as I am right, because I'm left on so many things, but I'm right on so many things, too.
00:30:53.000Like Chris Rock said, I'm pretty fucking conservative on crime.
00:30:57.000I get angry when I see lax crime or lax law enforcement, when I see people not supporting law enforcement or not understanding the nature of crime or not understanding what happens when criminals realize that there is no law enforcement.
00:31:23.000And to say that incentives matter, it might be a conservative position.
00:31:28.000I think you could also say it's a classically liberal position.
00:31:32.000If I were to try to categorize you, Joe, I'd put you in a lot of classically liberal areas, believing in free speech and free debate.
00:31:40.000And these classically liberal ideas that our country was founded on, it does seem to me now that the Republican Party is the only one defending these more classically liberal ideas.
00:31:48.000Now, in healthcare, again, sometimes this is what I always say.
00:31:51.000Look, we have to – and I think Jordan Peterson puts this the best way about the balance between chaos and order and the balance between the left and the right.
00:31:59.000The left representing chaos, the right representing order.
00:32:02.000Now, it's not derogatory to say that they're representing chaos.
00:32:05.000It just means they're representing constant change.
00:34:04.000And the second trade-off is that if you're talking about Medicare for all, and under these bills that they propose, you are reimbursing doctors and hospitals at a Medicare rate.
00:34:13.000Okay, that's a really important part of it.
00:34:15.000That effectively means price controls.
00:34:18.000That's how you maintain that budget that you say you're going to stick within.
00:34:34.000Anytime you have price controls, you have less supply.
00:34:37.000That's an economic truth that you can never escape.
00:34:39.000If I say that I'm only going to pay you a certain amount per episode, you're recalculating how many episodes you're going to do, no matter what.
00:34:48.000Everybody controls their supply based on a price.
00:34:52.000Now, if you think you can get more for that price, you'll increase your supply.
00:36:01.000Right, because we make it, and that pharmaceutical company might offer it to Australia or the UK, but the UK says, well, we're not going to pay you that much for it, and so they just don't get it.
00:36:10.000So, depending on what country you're looking at, a lot of times you'll see, like Australia I think has access to maybe 60% of the drugs that the United States has access to.
00:36:19.000So we get something, we pay too much for our healthcare, but we also get a lot for it.
00:36:23.000You're much more likely to survive cancer in the United States, you're much more likely to survive rare diseases.
00:36:28.000The left will throw out this stat that says, we pay, you know, double what other countries pay for healthcare, but our life expectancy is the same.
00:36:36.000That's playing with statistics a little bit, because life expectancy also includes suicides, homicides, these things that have nothing to do with the quality of your healthcare system.
00:36:45.000Now, those are problems, to be sure, but they have nothing to do with the quality of care that you're getting when you have a really, really rare disease.
00:36:52.000Here in the United States, this is the place you want to be.
00:36:54.000This is where people are coming from Canada when they have things that can't be solved there, because it takes them six months to get an elbow surgery.
00:37:00.000So we are getting something for our profit-incentivized healthcare.
00:37:05.000When you put price controls on it, you're going to get less of it.
00:37:07.000I talk to independent clinics all the time.
00:37:09.000They're like, we're just going to close.
00:37:10.000If we have to take Medicare rates of reimbursement for the care that we're giving, we're just going to close.
00:37:28.000Now you have less of an incentive to go to medical school.
00:37:30.000You definitely have less of an incentive to be a primary care doctor.
00:37:34.000All of these problems start to compound and your healthcare system starts to look a lot like Canada or the UK. Specifically Canada for what Medicare for All is.
00:37:43.000And Canadians flee there, again, when they need really, really specialized care.
00:37:48.000Okay, so what's a better way to do this?
00:37:52.000The way Obamacare works and the way Medicare for All would work is it puts the money in the pockets of the insurance companies, in the case of Obamacare, or in the case of Medicare for All, simply it's a one-payer system right to the doctor or hospital, and then they negotiate that price.
00:38:08.000A better way to do this, and this starts to look a little bit like, say, Switzerland, where you put the money in the pocket of the patient, the patient then controls it.
00:38:16.000Now think about, here's something else we agree on that people need, food, right?
00:38:23.000Do we create these government-run food production facilities and distribution facilities?
00:38:27.000Do we tell the grocery store, look, okay, this person's going to go buy some cereal and then we're going to reimburse you for that cereal on the back end?
00:40:25.000Yeah, so instead of spending all this money on Medicaid, for instance, take the people who are eligible for Medicaid, and even above that rate, and you could have a tiered program.
00:40:35.000Instead of wasting all that money on a Medicaid program that doesn't have improved outcomes, by the way.
00:40:44.000It means that when you compare people from the same socioeconomic status and they're in Medicaid enrolled or they have no insurance at all, their health outcomes are no different.
00:41:10.000But is it true that people that have Medicare were more likely to go to a hospital to take care of stuff versus people that ignore that issue if they don't have health insurance?
00:41:23.000So if you have no health insurance and you worry that this is going to put you into debt for the rest of your life, you're in the same line as someone who has medical insurance who can go to an emergency room, whatever it is, and deal with whatever personal issue they're dealing with and not worry about it being something that ruins them financially forever.
00:41:43.000The same motivation, the same action...
00:41:56.000I'm not saying Medicaid's fault that you have worse outcomes.
00:41:58.000Isn't it a problem, though, that we're dealing with these giant numbers of people and we're trying to figure out what's the same action?
00:42:05.000If you have someone who has health insurance versus someone who doesn't have health insurance, just naturally, I would assume, someone who has health insurance is going to get medical care more often or at least seek out medical care more often.
00:43:09.000Medical devices, pharmaceuticals, all of it.
00:43:12.000If we didn't need anything else, if we were at our maximum, if we were at the pinnacle of success when it comes to medical technology, then you might be able to make the argument, like a moral argument, okay, the government should just confiscate all of this technology and distribute it equally.
00:43:28.000I still don't think it would work very well because you also have to conscript doctors and nurses and hospital administrators into this sort of system where you're forcing them to work the amount that you want them to work,
00:44:10.000It's not saying we're going to leave you out to dry.
00:44:13.000It's saying let's empower this patient.
00:44:16.000Instead of putting them in this Medicaid enrollment...
00:44:17.000Because the other problem with Medicaid, by the way, is a lot of doctors won't take it because of the reimbursement rates and because of how difficult it is to deal with the government.
00:44:24.000Nobody likes dealing with the government.
00:44:26.000The reason hospitals can make a profit at all is because insurance is why our insurance is so expensive.
00:44:31.000Because insurance companies are paying...
00:44:33.000150% of the cost of a procedure, whereas Medicare might be paying 60-70% of the cost of a procedure.
00:44:40.000So if you make everybody pay 60-70% of the cost of a procedure, you're going to get less supply.
00:44:46.000So is the idea that the reason why Medicare is only willing to pay 60-70% of the procedure is because they believe the procedure is overpriced?
00:45:04.000But if you say it costs X amount to repair an ACL surgery, if you blow your ACL out and you've got to repair it, if Medicare is only willing to pay 60% of that rate, what are they saying?
00:45:16.000Are they saying you don't deserve any more money because it's not worth that much?
00:45:22.000And this gets to another problem that The Trump administration fix was just price transparency, because this is the other thing.
00:45:30.000Nobody seems to know how much anything costs, okay?
00:45:33.000So the way we price out how much things cost in healthcare is based on these formularies that are derived from CMS, which is Medicare and Medicaid.
00:45:49.000And so that's how we sort of analyze what it costs.
00:45:52.000But you go ask a hospital, not all hospitals, but many, and they're like, well, I can't tell you exactly how much it costs.
00:45:57.000I'm like, well, what do you mean you can't tell me?
00:45:59.000So price transparency something is a rule that was imposed recently that will fix this problem and get us to this point where we can finally start shopping around.
00:46:08.000Now, some hospitals do do this and they make a big deal out of it.
00:47:46.000In the sense that we have private insurance out there and you've got to choose an Obamacare between gold plans and platinum plans and all these things.
00:49:19.000And so you get waivers and then you set up your reinsurance program at the state level.
00:49:23.000What this basically means is when that dollar sign hits too much, in order to prevent the insurance company from increasing premiums on everybody, they basically pay them back on the back end.
00:50:45.000This happens with any welfare program.
00:50:47.000There's a lot of fraud and abuse that happens in all these government programs.
00:50:52.000When you put trillions of dollars of taxpayer money into a program, there's a lot of people that have an incentive to try and extract as much money as possible out of those programs.
00:51:05.000And they don't seem to have the outcomes that we'd like them to have.
00:51:09.000It doesn't appear to anybody or To any of the people studying this who've done...
00:51:14.000Again, there's a lot of university studies on this that would indicate what I said.
00:51:19.000You don't get any better outcomes even though we're spending all this money.
00:51:22.000So what might be a better way to do it?
00:51:24.000And a lot of us think that empowering the patient with those funds, but also ensuring that they have that quarterback as well in the form of a primary care doctor...
00:51:36.000Would have much better outcomes, maintain the profit incentives that actually make our healthcare system have the high quality that it does have, but also ensure that we meet the left's goal of getting people access to good quality healthcare.
00:51:51.000Have you argued with anybody on the left about this?
00:52:29.000And if we're not honest about the trade-offs with Medicare for All, we're going to go down this path, and you're going to end up in a place that is less than ideal.
00:53:17.000Am I infringing on anybody else's rights when I do this?
00:53:20.000Am I... Am I adhering to the basic notions of checks and balances and the rights of localities and states to make their own decisions that might fit their population the best?
00:53:36.000The left doesn't tend to ask those questions, right?
00:53:38.000It seems to me that every time they propose a solution To a problem that we agree is a problem that needs to be solved, that solution is sort of like the first thing that sounds good.
00:54:17.000Better solutions that maybe take a scalpel to a problem instead of a hammer.
00:54:22.000And those solutions have to be tailored around, I think, classically conservative principles.
00:54:30.000It is fascinating what you talked about earlier, that people who are involved in dangerous occupations, whether it's soldiers or fighters or firefighters, they generally tend to be conservative because they have these occupations where they test themselves.
00:54:52.000Whether they're forced to be tested, whether they're forced to be tested, whether it's their will, their discipline, their ability to understand the consequences of whatever it is they have to engage in.
00:55:05.000And there's real life risks, real risks.
00:55:10.000And people who don't get tested and people who are maybe uncomfortable with the idea of physical risks or don't understand what the consequences of physical risks are because they don't engage in them.
00:55:29.000Maybe they don't engage in anything physically.
00:55:31.000Maybe everything they engage in is intellectually.
00:55:34.000Maybe they don't blend the physical world with the intellectual world.
00:56:26.000You might choose, I mean, you probably do a lot of hard things.
00:56:31.000You're an extremely productive individual, which means, by definition, you're doing something that is challenging in order to reach the next horizon, if you will.
00:57:23.000But you have to put in time and effort.
00:57:25.000And the problem with this world today is there's so many people that are given participation trophies and they tell you you're special, period.
00:58:22.000But you're still loved as a member of the community.
00:58:25.000But here's how you can feel better about yourself.
00:58:29.000And one of the best ways to feel better about yourself is to push yourself into a realm where you didn't know that you had the capacity or the fortitude to enter.
00:59:14.000You're asking for something because you want to...
00:59:17.000In some way or another, you want to quantify and you want to figure out a way where whatever you're doing with your life is more valuable than what you realize you probably should be doing.
00:59:32.000What you should be doing is pushing yourself.
00:59:34.000What you should be doing is trying to figure out what makes you satisfied.
00:59:41.000And unless you experience those valleys, you don't understand and you don't appreciate the peaks.
00:59:46.000And some people don't want to experience the valleys.
00:59:48.000They don't want to experience failure.
00:59:50.000They don't want to experience the uncomfortable feeling of pushing themselves.
00:59:53.000They don't want to experience that fucking darkness of not knowing if you can keep going.
00:59:59.000But forcing yourself and then getting to the bright light of success Getting to the bright light of understanding your boundaries and your limitations and that these are flexible and that you can expand those boundaries and expand those limitations and become a stronger version of who you are today.
01:00:15.000But people don't like that because it makes them uncomfortable.
01:00:18.000So what they want to do is chastise all the people who are calling out for them to be better and get angry at all the people that are forcing them into a position where they have to look at themselves objectively and understand that they've got some flaws.
01:00:31.000But a guy like you, who's been through buds, who's a Navy SEAL, who's wearing an eye patch for a fucking reason because you're a blown up, right?
01:00:39.000You're a guy who understands the real physical consequences of actual danger.
01:02:16.000So the euphoria is gone and then you get blown up and who knows, but, um, But that moment is special because there's value in suffering.
01:02:24.000And in today's society, we have convinced ourselves that there is no value in suffering, that the entire role of, say, government is to end your suffering.
01:03:33.000And the kind of amounts to the, I think, drastic lurches in welfare policy or infrastructure spending and all of these things that we're seeing.
01:04:16.000We need to help people who have truly fallen on hard times, who lost their jobs because of COVID. But does that also mean we need to provide a $1,400 check to somebody who never lost their job and whose biggest hardship has been Zoom meetings?
01:06:05.000It's like, look, I'm in favor of temporarily boosting payments to those who are unemployed on unemployed insurance.
01:06:11.000Usually state-run unemployment insurance runs at a formula that would make sure that you're not making more than you would have if you were already employed.
01:06:20.000Because you don't want to have a disincentive to go back to work.
01:06:23.000What we did in the initial stages of the pandemic was increase that to an extra $600 a week if you're unemployed.
01:06:29.000I'm okay with that for a few weeks during hard times.
01:06:32.000The problem is Democrats want to keep it forever.
01:06:34.000And now every business I talk to is like, I can't hire people.
01:06:37.000I have so many job openings right now.
01:07:28.000Even on the right, I remember I was a little frustrated with the president, or the ex-president, Donald Trump, the president I voted for, that he was pushing for those $2,000 cash payments.
01:07:41.000But don't you think that he was doing that politically?
01:08:44.000Maybe it's those mean corporate giants and now those corporate giants are trying to get all woke and get on the Democrats' good side like they always do because they want to maintain their little piece of the pie.
01:09:10.000Because I don't understand why people are so upset and why somehow or another it seems to be that the narrative is that this is a racist decision.
01:09:23.000They're trying to get people to explain what's happening.
01:11:33.000The Democrat people who are saying these things.
01:11:35.000But is that just because they're trying to push this narrative to maintain power or to try to push people into this position where they believe what they're saying?
01:14:30.000I know a lot of people that were terrified of being trapped in lines.
01:14:33.000I know, I know, I have friends on the left that didn't want to vote in person because, no, I'm telling you, I know- But did they go to a grocery store?
01:15:33.000If you wanted voted in person, this is what it would have looked like.
01:15:36.000You would have talked to somebody, would have shown them your ID, they'd give you a little piece of paper, you go to a machine, and you vote, and then you leave.
01:15:44.000You never actually interact with anybody.
01:16:41.000Because every whatever it is, every X amount of days where you have to go to the grocery store and get your goods, you can do that and figure out a way to avoid people and put a double mask on.
01:16:53.000You can do the same thing with voting.
01:17:21.000That's why way more people mailed in their ballot on Democratic sides.
01:17:26.000That's why Pennsylvania was so weird, right?
01:17:28.000Because in the beginning, the first counts were the people that showed up, and those people were predominantly Republican.
01:17:37.000But then as time went on, they started counting in the mail-in ballots, which were predominantly Democrat.
01:17:42.000I mean, Kyle Kalinske called this out.
01:17:44.000We had a podcast we did, Election Night, with Tim Dillon and Kyle Kalinske, and Kyle explained exactly how it was going to go down.
01:17:52.000He said, Pennsylvania's going to look like it's going to be Republican in the beginning, and then it's going to eventually turn towards the Democrats because they're going to start counting the mail-in ballots late.
01:18:02.000Well, he explained exactly what happened.
01:18:04.000And he also said there's going to be a lot of people that call shenanigans.
01:18:08.000Well, those people were the fucking president.
01:18:10.000Donald Trump was saying all overnight, all of a sudden, I got all these votes that were for the fucking Democrats.
01:18:18.000Well, it happened because if you understood the process of mail-in ballots versus people showing up in person, you should have expected that.
01:18:49.000Right, but when so many people do that because they do believe that, Yeah, I don't see how you can say that you're the one who follows the science and then also say that it's less dangerous to go to the grocery store than it is to go voting.
01:20:43.000This is why we care about voter ID. I don't know why it doesn't make sense to people.
01:20:47.000Well, I think it should be biometrics.
01:20:50.000My perspective is, why is it okay that I bank online, but I can't vote online?
01:20:56.000If I use Apple ID, Face ID, and I look at my phone, I can get into my phone, I can check my email, I can do all the different things that I do with my phone.
01:21:07.000And supposedly it's secure because it recognizes my face.
01:21:10.000Or if you have an Android phone, you can use your thumbprint.
01:21:37.000You know, online banking, mostly secure, but banks still segregate about, you know, hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars a year for banking fraud, right?
01:25:08.000The only one who's got a good argument is Claressa Shields, who's like the best women's boxer in the world.
01:25:12.000She's got a good argument, and she brought it on the podcast.
01:25:15.000She brought up her own ratings on television shows when she was on versus when males were on, that males were getting paid more than she was.
01:25:32.000The WNBA, there's no argument that they should be getting paid as much as LeBron James.
01:25:36.000If anybody tried to bring that up, it would be shot down so quickly, because who the fuck is going to see, unfortunately, who's going to see the WNBA? Certainly there's a lot of fans, but it's a small amount in comparison to the actual NBA. That's where it gets weird.
01:25:53.000So the idea that the President of the United States would say that women whatever should be paid the same as male whatever, that's like saying women comedians should be paid the same as Dave Chappelle.
01:26:04.000Well, that doesn't make sense because more people go see Dave Chappelle because he's more famous.
01:28:15.000And so they'll take you to the landing zone, they'll put you on a raft, and they say, okay, go turn yourself into Border Patrol, if you have kids with you.
01:28:21.000If you don't have kids with you, you're a single adult, you might have to pay more, because now you need Coyotes to actually get you across and escape Border Patrol.
01:28:29.000I like how you said that like a Mexican.
01:29:31.000It's an exceptional example of what a country can do and how U.S. partnerships can work.
01:29:40.000It is weird how they kind of cleared up a lot of the problems that they had during the Escobar days.
01:29:46.000And part of that is there is something about the Colombian culture with an adherence to a basic sense of Western justice and rule of law that they were eventually able to climb out of this.
01:31:26.000And this show really shows when you see the people that are actually the chemists that add the chemicals to the leaves and create the cocaine.
01:31:38.000And then you have these same people that put the cocaine, the processed cocaine, in backpacks and then walk for 24 hours through the forest.
01:31:54.000And then it goes to the Mexican drug cartels, who are some of the most elite organizations on the planet, and they're right south of our border.
01:32:03.000It's easy to get into a fight with ISIS and the Taliban.
01:32:43.000I can explain it in detail if you'd like.
01:32:44.000It basically started in 2014 because of a court settlement case that made it impossible for us to hold people and then adjudicate their claims and then deport them, at least on a timely basis.
01:32:54.000So it initiated the catch and release process that we see today.
01:32:59.000Trump basically fixed it, more or less, in the last year.
01:33:03.000Biden immediately reversed his policies.
01:33:05.000So, when you're charging about $300 a person and you have 100,000 people crossing every month, that's $30 million.
01:34:34.000I mean, it might not be perfect, might make some changes here and there, but we basically have to have a system.
01:34:38.000Because if you surveyed the entire world at any given moment, and I've actually seen surveys on this, they estimate maybe about 40 million people would snap their fingers and arrive in the U.S. right now.
01:34:48.000They'd just leave their home in that second.
01:34:56.000So the left is constantly trying to deteriorate that process to the greatest extent so that more and more people come across, and then they call it compassion.
01:35:04.000Well, there's nothing compassionate about it.
01:35:25.000Speaking of the Georgia thing, you know what really ticks me off?
01:35:28.000You got Coca-Cola, you got Apple creating statements against the Georgia voting law and how they're so mad about it and they're going to do something about it.
01:35:36.000Meanwhile, they are happy to advocate against a bill in Congress that would help protect Uyghur Muslims in China.
01:37:34.000And if you believe the answer is no, then what you need to do is help them get IDs, because they need IDs for everything.
01:37:43.000If you really believe this was a problem, and I know they don't, because they're disingenuous, but if they really did...
01:37:51.000And the obvious answer would be to help them get IDs.
01:37:53.000And I'm working on legislation that would give grants to states who implement voter ID laws and have it free to get an ID, a government-issued ID. It needs to be free.
01:38:03.000It needs to be accessible because you need it for everything.
01:38:05.000I know this is an argument and this is something that's being currently debated, but is there anybody on the left that supports this?
01:38:11.000That is against this voter ID legislation that's gone through in Georgia that is like a logical, intelligent person that argues against it.
01:38:24.000Like, so somebody I generally respect, but still is mad about it.
01:38:30.000You know, people, I don't know, to answer your question.
01:38:33.000Because it seems like we're arguing from one position, right?
01:38:37.000Well, A, me, I'm just curious, and you understand it.
01:38:40.000And so I'm saying, I'm reading this, and am I wrong?
01:38:44.000I'm reading this, and it's just about ID. It seems like you should be able to get ID. And we're not talking about, like, immediately, like, you need it next week to vote for the President of the United States.
01:39:13.000Well, the stated reason that they give is because they call it voter suppression and they say it's harder for minorities to get ID. Now, any logical thinking person immediately refutes that.
01:39:23.000Four out of five Americans believe voter ID is a good idea.
01:39:26.000Has there any debates been done on this?
01:39:28.000It seems like I would like to see someone from the left who supports this idea that voter IDs are bad.
01:39:39.000So every member of Democrat Congress, I believe, voted for H.R. 1. H.R. 1 is their premier election reform bill from the left.
01:39:48.000They passed it out of the House last session, passed it out this session, questionable whether it would get through the Senate.
01:39:54.000This is a lot to this bill, but one of them undermines voter ID laws in states.
01:40:30.000Every time voter ID laws are implemented, or any election integrity laws are implemented in Republican states, minority vote share goes up.
01:40:43.000So they invoke these Jim Crow era visuals for people because they want you to believe that we're racist and they want to pit you against each other.
01:40:53.000I mean, if you're asking me what I think they really think, this is what it is.
01:40:59.000It's, you're a victim, you're being oppressed by somebody else, and your only way to fight back is to vote for me, because I'm going to give you all the stuff.
01:41:06.000I'm going to make sure that you make it.
01:42:10.000We're talking about the differences between the way the left looks at things and the right looks at things and the manipulation that goes on, getting people to vote for the left or vote for the right.
01:43:25.000So what's the best way to show that you're not?
01:43:28.000Well, become compliant and follow our guidelines.
01:43:31.000And then you have these grifters that cling on to that, that use this as their platform in order to elevate their own social status and elevate their own profile.
01:44:25.000There's a thing that happens, whether you're left or you're right, where you're looking to be a part of this group, and you can sort of sell the other side out in order to gain access to this other group.
01:44:47.000So they started out as this, like, where are the ones who are, and like Bill Kristol's in this category as well, a bunch of other, like, supposed conservatives that were like, you know, we're trying to maintain the integrity of the conservative movement, and we think Donald Trump is terrible, so we're going to start a PAC against him.
01:45:09.000I disagree with you, but at least you're making some kind of rationale.
01:45:13.000But then they're going after, like Susan Collins, they're going after the most moderate Republicans possible.
01:45:17.000And it becomes pretty clear that they have no intention of maintaining the integrity of conservatism even a little bit.
01:45:23.000They've just found out that all their dollars come from liberal donors, and they need to keep perpetuating those mantras, those slogans, those things that...
01:45:34.000They totally sell out the principles they supposedly stood for, and frankly, they've fallen off pretty quickly.
01:45:41.000What were the principles they initially proposed?
01:45:46.000I don't follow them that closely, but they usually use platitudes like the integrity, the integrity of the office, just the sense of dignity, right?
01:45:57.000They're careful not to adhere to certain policy positions because then you can call them on it, right?
01:46:03.000It's always about dignity and integrity.
01:46:05.000But there was also a fascinating aspect of it is that after the election was over, they wanted to attack the people that were supporters of Trump and then make lists.
01:46:29.000The biggest lie of this century is that there's this, like, American right-wing fascism.
01:46:37.000The only fascism I see is, well, I mean, those blatant examples is the Antifa crazies who deliberately engage in fascist tactics to implement their little form of utopia.
01:46:50.000But also, like, what we're talking about in Georgia, all these woke corporations engaging in what they're engaging in, this is fascism.
01:47:24.000Because that's the big lie of the century.
01:47:26.000Ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
01:47:37.000And of the economy which came to prominence during the early 20th century Europe.
01:47:41.000So we'll stick with this definition for a second.
01:47:50.000A political philosophy movement or regime such as that of the fascists that exalts nation and often race above the individual and stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader Severe economic and social regimentation and forcible suppression of opposition.
01:49:49.000What you're seeing is in this sort of unholy alliance between CEOs, education institutions, Hollywood, late night comedy, it is a forced conformity.
01:50:01.000Cancel culture is a tool in that forced conformity.
01:50:05.000And so this is what we have to be awake to.
01:50:08.000In my opinion, that's what's happening surrounding this sort of dispute around the Georgia voter laws.
01:50:14.000Now, they're choosing that battleground because Georgia is a swing state, because it's politically expedient for them to choose that battleground.
01:50:22.000And also, I think these CEOs are just really afraid of like a thousand Twitter comments.
01:50:26.000Now, you and I see that and we're like, that doesn't mean anything.
01:51:08.000Well, just whether it's public pressure.
01:51:10.000In Georgia, by the way, in Georgia, the last thing they did in the state legislature in this last week was remove the tax break that they'd given Delta Airlines.
01:52:00.000It's only one that's been playing at this game.
01:52:02.000Only one has been, and that is not the case anymore.
01:52:04.000That's where it gets dangerous, right?
01:52:06.000And that's where you have really big problems.
01:52:10.000One side has been manipulating this narrative and making people abhorrent and racist and...
01:52:17.000And fascist and whatever it is if you don't agree with them.
01:52:20.000And hoping and praying that people don't look into the actual bill or the actual legislation and look at the facts of whatever you're discussing.
01:54:07.000And the Democrats tend not to, and they're very good at singling in and focusing in on that emotional, just that heart string, and they're tugging on it.
01:54:17.000Because to call somebody a racist is an extreme statement.
01:54:20.000Is there anyone on the left that's pushing back against this concept that the Georgia law, that this idea that's being passed is negative?
01:54:29.000Is there anybody that's saying, hey, let's look at what this is?
01:54:50.000The incentive would be to appeal to the center, to people that are rational but...
01:54:55.000They look at some of the things—that was a problem with Donald Trump, is that he's so polarizing that people who maybe would lean right don't want to vote for him because he stands for a lot of things that they don't like.
01:55:19.000Right, but it epitomizes— What their opposition is.
01:55:22.000Is that he's saying, go there and have a strong presence, and then you get these QAnon fuckheads, and they burst through and take pictures with their feet up on Nancy Pelosi's office.
01:56:01.000That's what a lot of people on the right are looking for.
01:56:03.000They're looking for a reasonable person who has their shared beliefs, but who's not a rude person, and also a person that they can identify with or support, because that person, they represent hard work and conservative values,
01:56:23.000but also like a unity of the United States, not...
01:56:26.000My sense is that people generally, if I'm going to categorize them, people don't like to be categorized or labeled, and you're one of them.
01:58:37.000I think the federal government did exactly what it should have done, which is invest a lot of money into helping or at least creating a customer base for vaccines, create a PPE distribution network, help people get free healthcare for COVID,
01:59:53.000Listen, man, the difference between California and Texas from someone who's lived in both is so palpable and just the feeling of being here.
02:00:03.000I'm going to defend Southern California a little bit.
02:01:42.000It's weird, too, because, and you're seeing this in Austin a little bit also, which is this culture around being a vagrant.
02:01:49.000Because in San Francisco, we would have training trips there.
02:01:54.000I know the area pretty well over the last decade or so.
02:01:58.000And those training trips forced me to walk around the city a lot, all parts of the city.
02:02:03.000And what I noticed was these are not necessarily people, a lot of them are, maybe have mental illness or drug addiction, but a lot of them are young, able-bodied people engaging in what looks to me like a vagabond culture.
02:02:18.000And I saw it when I was driving here to see you in Austin.
02:02:21.000Where I'm like, oh, who are these young guys waving to people in tents under the underpass?
02:02:40.000They're young, able-bodied people, so what is going on here?
02:02:43.000Well, people imitate their atmosphere.
02:02:45.000And if people are allowed to live in an environment where you don't have to figure out a way out of your problem, where you can just sort of slide into some sort of predetermined Yeah.
02:02:56.000And if the government allows it, then why wouldn't you?
02:02:59.000Well, if the city allows you to camp out, and the idea is like, listen, this is extenuating circumstances.
02:05:22.000It's a core tenet of my existence is discipline.
02:05:26.000And I understand the struggle of being disciplined.
02:05:29.000I understand where these people are coming from.
02:05:31.000But I just think we have to find some fucking middle ground.
02:05:35.000That's what concerns me about our culture right now, our country, our community.
02:05:41.000And I think a lot of this is accentuated by social media and these echo chambers that people engage in.
02:05:48.000People are more and more inclined to dig their heels into the sand instead of to look at what the other side is saying and go, is there any validity to what they're saying?
02:05:57.000I'm looking at this Georgia thing where everybody's opposing it, and I'm like, is there any validity to this?
02:07:19.000And if you don't, then that's a real problem.
02:07:22.000You have a DUI. And you need to get something, or a government ID, because the question isn't necessarily a driver's license, but a government ID. Right.
02:07:29.000Because nobody says, hey, it only can be a driver's license.
02:07:40.000People have suspicion about the government.
02:07:42.000There's a lot of people that don't want to get the vaccine because they're worried about the government.
02:07:45.000That exists in minority communities and in more poor communities.
02:07:51.000What are your thoughts about this vaccine passport concept?
02:07:55.000Because a lot of people find that deeply problematic, giving the government this ability to let people travel or not travel based on whether or not you've been vaccinated.
02:08:06.000The left cannot let go of COVID. They can't let go of it.
02:08:11.000They want to keep spending money based on this sort of moral stance that we need to keep supporting communities because of COVID and that we need to keep doing things and taking excessive action because of COVID. They cannot let it go.
02:10:42.000What Chris Rock was saying, though, about, like, gangs.
02:10:45.000Like, you have, like, I'm a conservative, and I believe...
02:10:48.000You have these predetermined patterns of behavior that people subscribe to, without any independent thinking, without any objective thinking.
02:10:55.000It's a real problem with human beings.
02:10:57.000I think ultimately what everybody wants is what's good for the community.
02:11:03.000They want for themselves selfishly, but they also want for their friends and neighbors and loved ones and family members.
02:11:09.000They want what's good for everybody, but they can't agree in what is good for everybody.
02:11:13.000And then when people don't have, they look at people who do have, and they go, well, how the fuck do they have?
02:11:18.000And then some grifter will come along, and they have because they've taken from you.
02:11:25.000Because if you're not educated, or if you haven't deeply researched the ideas, especially with an objective perspective, you can sort of believe a lot of these grifters, a lot of these people that come along, and they say crazy shit like, tax the rich, or eat the rich, and like, oh, Jesus Christ.
02:12:37.000They want to bring us back to that moment in history.
02:12:39.000What the Enlightenment period did was say, look, you can keep dividing people up all day long.
02:12:45.000Eventually you just get to an individual.
02:12:47.000So maybe we should look at how individuals act and then have a really rational structure about how we define incentives and how we define justice.
02:12:57.000And justice should be defined as person A infringing on the rights of person B. Or person A making it in a hierarchy for unworthy reasons, something other than a meritocracy.
02:14:21.000But it's one thing to ask people, like, hey, I don't know, wear a green bracelet if you already got the vaccine and you've already had COVID or both, either or.
02:15:10.000But I know how crowded they are every time I'm there, and yeah, there was definitely a time period where there were ghost towns, but that hasn't been the case for many, many, many months.
02:15:19.000But it's still not even 50% of what it was a year ago, or a year and a half ago, I should say.
02:15:56.000The problem they don't take into account is it costs a lot of lives.
02:15:59.000It costs a lot of lives through suicide, depression, drug addiction.
02:16:03.000The school's closing has been excessively bad, and there's no science to indicate that this is what our kids need.
02:16:11.000I have a friend who lives in Nevada and their community was ravaged by suicide with young kids and they're devastated by it and they're trying to figure out like what there's a massive escalation of suicides in high school age kids because of the pandemic and the lockdown.
02:16:28.000You have a higher chance of dying from the flu if you're under 20 years old.
02:17:03.000It was a real weird thing because once you lie about that publicly because you're doing it for the greater good of all the people, then they're going to go, well, what are you saying now?
02:17:56.000And he's also a guy who's got COVID, as are you.
02:18:00.000It's a real confusing thing because you're dealing with something that, for the most part, most people, other than people who are obese or with pre-existing morbidities, I think the average of people who died from COVID,
02:18:23.000And also the average age is, I believe it's over 78. I want to say that's about correct.
02:18:28.000For people who die, you know, we're not discounting people that have long-term issues with it.
02:18:33.000But we're also, I mean, this is something me, as a person who has literally dedicated most of my life to fitness and health and wellness, it's infuriating to me that you don't take into account that a healthy body can deal with this.
02:19:37.000And she was on here last week, and she realized at the height of the pandemic, at the beginning of it, that most of the people that were dying or that were hospitalized were obese.
02:20:06.000And now, all of a sudden, she realizes, like, oh my god, I could die!
02:20:09.000Not to mention all the other health benefits associated with this.
02:20:12.000You know, COVID's only the third leading cause of death.
02:20:14.000The first is still heart disease, which is primarily, you know, often caused by obesity, just being unhealthy, then cancer, then COVID. And cancer also, a lot of it is caused by inflammation, obesity, poor diet choices.
02:20:29.000Everything causes cancer, but this whiskey causes cancer.
02:21:24.000Now, there's a few reasons, theories at least, is why that might be the case.
02:21:28.000In Asia, they're dealing with SARS and coronaviruses all the time.
02:21:31.000Their immunities are probably well built up against it.
02:21:34.000I've seen studies in Japan, because Japan wasn't hit hard, but I've seen studies in Japan where well over half of the people tested antibodies.
02:21:42.000So they've clearly had it, but they never even noticed.
02:21:51.000When you're carrying around all that excess tissue, you're compromising your systems.
02:21:55.000All of your systems, your cardiovascular system, your immune system, everything is compromised by this massive amount of excess body mass and inflammation.
02:22:05.000You're dealing with a lot of different issues that compromise your health.
02:22:08.000Yeah, but it's mean and compassionate if you tell people to work out.
02:22:12.000Even in schools, I mean, you look at videos from the 1950s of gym classes, and it's pretty hardcore.
02:22:20.000You know, I remember gym class, and I don't know that it was hardcore, but at least we were active, and there wasn't a lot of excuses.
02:26:54.000You compare COVID numbers from California and Texas, and California and Texas are always really good two states to compare, because one is completely controlled by Republicans at the state level, and one is completely controlled by Democrats, maybe at every level.
02:30:14.000It's like everyone in the Hollywood business, in the movie industry, in the television industry, you are punished if you have any other ideology other than progressive and liberal.
02:31:30.000I think we need people who listen to what the left want.
02:31:33.000Like, again, like, they want some kind of change, and you gotta, like, you gotta listen to it, because a lot of times it's...
02:31:40.000You know, it's expressed in a very emotional way, and maybe it's healthcare, and healthcare is just a great example, because it's like, yes, maybe we should get people access to better healthcare.
02:32:07.000But should they be able to just claim that they have some kind of asylum and then cut in front of the line in front of everybody else who has waited years?
02:32:14.000Right, but if you're dealing with exceedingly poor people that are from another country that are trying to do better for their life to get across the country, it's very difficult to get asylum, right?
02:32:36.000Because for you to claim to asylum, you have to prove that you've been persecuted politically or for your gender, for your religion, or something.
02:32:46.000Okay, there's an actual legal standard.
02:32:49.000And in the end, only about, especially from these Northern Triangle countries, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, only about 10 to 15% end up making that cut.
02:32:58.000Now, if you're coming from Ethiopia, I bet that percentage goes a little higher.
02:33:03.000Okay, but what if you're a person that lives in Mexico?
02:33:06.000If you're a person that lives in Mexico, and maybe you're not persecuted, but you want to do better for your family, and you go, you know, United States, there's a lot more possibilities, there's a lot more opportunity.
02:33:16.000And so what they end up doing is they go and they say, well, I'm claiming asylum.
02:33:20.000I'm running away from violence and political persecution.
02:34:04.000Then you have to make it fair for everybody, and you can't clog up the system for people who are clearly taking advantage of it.
02:34:10.000Look, two years ago when this crisis was happening, because it bubbles up every once in a while when they think they can get away with it, and I went, and because I speak Spanish, I was able to talk to a whole line of migrants that was there right at the Texas border.
02:34:23.000I talked to some families from Guatemala and asked them why they're there.
02:34:30.000And they give their line, like, well, we're fleeing poverty.
02:34:39.000Then I get to the end of the line of this Cuban man, and there's no way that I do have training in telling somebody who's lying and being able to interrogate somebody.
02:34:50.000This guy was a trained engineer in Cuba, been jailed multiple times, managed to escape, escaped to Central America and eventually made it up this way, claiming asylum for that reason.
02:35:03.000And it was pretty clear as he broke down in tears that he was probably telling the truth.
02:35:08.000It's pretty obvious that people who have talking points written down when they're turning themselves into Border Patrol about what to say because the first step to this process is...
02:35:22.000It's proving that you have some kind of claim to asylum.
02:35:42.000It ends up being maybe 5% to 10% of people who are claiming asylum.
02:35:48.000We're going to have some of you wait down there, and you'll get your hearing down there.
02:35:53.000We'll make agreements, asylum cooperation agreements, with Northern Triangle countries like Guatemala and Honduras and El Salvador, and we'll say, look, you can actually apply down there or apply in a neighboring country.
02:37:27.000And COVID restrictions also helped us basically push people back.
02:37:33.000So you think that most of the people that are progressive that look at this immigration issue and are more liberal and they're more open to this idea of open borders, the reason why they're doing it is because they're kind of compassionate, but they haven't looked at the actual statistics of what this means and what happens and why and what's the incentive?
02:38:57.000Hyper-concerned with the political ramifications of it, because in the end, if they end up becoming citizens, fine, I'll just convince them to vote for me.
02:39:12.000And do we give people a free pass because they had a geographical advantage to take advantage of our system, claim a sign when they had none, end up here?
02:39:41.000There's still a lot of deportations happening.
02:39:44.000But if you're in a family unit, if you have children with you, that's your ticket.
02:39:48.000And that's because of a Flores settlement agreement that happened in 2014. It's a court case, and I won't get into that, but that's why it happens.
02:39:55.000So you get catch, you get release, and they say, hey, come back for your court date.
02:39:59.000Now, who really shows up for their court date?
02:40:04.000They're relying on certain studies that took place only in New York City, very specific population.
02:40:09.000A much better indication of this would be a pilot study in 2019, I believe, that DHS did, that showed that out of about 7,000, I think 7 or 9,000 migrant families, 90% didn't show back up for their court cases, because why would they?
02:40:24.000What incentive do you have to show back up?
02:40:26.000Even if you show back up for that first one, why are you going to show up for the second and the third?
02:40:30.000And definitely not going to adhere to your deportation order.
02:40:34.000When we do a deportation order in America, we don't, like, lock them up and put them on a plane.
02:40:40.000We say, hey, take 30 days, please leave.
02:40:43.000What do they do if they contain someone, they find out they're COVID positive?
02:40:49.000Well, not what they do with an American.
02:40:50.000This is infuriating to a lot of people because if you're an American and you go overseas, you still need a negative test to come back into the United States.
02:41:05.000No, the Border Patrol is not testing people.
02:41:07.000When people are getting tested and you're hearing about these numbers, like dozens and dozens of people tested positive, that's because NGOs are probably testing them.
02:41:19.000What's an NGO? Like a non-government organization, like a church or some other immigrant activist organization that's helping these people.
02:41:27.000They're generally the ones testing them.
02:41:32.000It's not necessarily a government organization.
02:41:34.000What do they do when they test someone positive?
02:41:36.000Like, what if someone makes it across the border illegally, they get detained, and they turned out to be positive for COVID? Well, they're already past that point.
02:42:19.000I think it's proof that the Biden administration is now dealing with, which is when you have an incentive for thousands and thousands of people to cross the border every day, it's really difficult to deal with.
02:42:32.000But isn't it also that they were politicizing this idea that Trump was detaining people and separating families and then putting people in these cages?
02:44:27.000But we have an issue with illegal immigration.
02:44:30.000The way to stop that would be to make these places, if you find the primary places where people illegally immigrate from, what would be the best way to enhance those places to make that less likely?
02:44:41.000To give people opportunity in those places.
02:45:33.000And this is obviously a guy we can work with who wants to work with us.
02:45:37.000The Mexican government, you know, they're going down an interesting track right now, which I don't quite understand.
02:45:43.000However, they definitely don't want caravans of people coming through their country, and they definitely don't want to keep empowering on a financial basis the Mexican drug cartels.
02:46:20.000You always ask me for, who's on the left who's saying something different?
02:46:23.000Well, there's actually multiple Texas Congress members, Democrat Congress members, who at least have somewhat spoken out against the Biden administration for what they're doing.
02:48:17.000In today's manifestations, we call them the left and the right.
02:48:21.000We call them Democrat and Republican, but they've been longstanding for a very long time.
02:48:25.000And there's two different dispositions.
02:48:26.000One believes fundamentally in a good-natured way that if we just had enough power in a centralized way that we could form humanity into a more utopian reality.
02:48:42.000My disposition is I think you should structure government with a set of incentives and with a light touch, simple rules for a complex society, and that you should acknowledge that bad things can happen and that risk can happen,
02:48:57.000but that the best possible outcomes come with that simple approach to governance and a simple set of incentives, and that you cannot fundamentally transform human nature the way you'd like to.
02:49:09.000Because these different dispositions will always manifest, no matter what.
02:49:37.000That doesn't actually turn out in the data the way I would like it to.
02:49:42.000So I don't know how to campaign to that group, necessarily.
02:49:46.000They're not a base that you can rely on for voting.
02:49:50.000They're just people with different ideas.
02:49:52.000Sometimes they have different ideas because they just don't know all of the facts, and sometimes they just legitimately do know all the facts and they just legitimately have different ideas.
02:50:00.000Either way, I don't know how to differentiate, and so it's very difficult for a politician to rely on that as a voting base.
02:50:08.000You're always going to have your voting bases.
02:50:11.000These are some truths that you cannot escape.
02:50:15.000And another one would be it's very hard to define the middle.
02:50:27.000The masterful thing about the American system is that we've created it in a way that allows us to have these debates in a vigorous way and transfer power in a peaceful way.
02:50:36.000Even if it was messy this time, it's still transferred.
02:50:58.000That's the center, I suppose, is that classical founding that we agreed upon at one time, where you can't tell me what to do You can't infringe on my rights.
02:52:51.000And let's have rational conversations online.
02:52:53.000Even my supporters will be like, I'll go to like an event and I'll be taking pictures with people and somebody will say to me, oh man, I give you so much hell online.
02:53:30.000And look, I do think, I'm speaking from my own partisan hat here, but I do think the Democrat Party has taken on positions that they never would have taken on 10 years ago.
02:53:40.000I think they've moved way to the left.
02:53:42.000I don't think the Republican Party has.
02:53:43.000I can't distinguish my current Republican Party from a policy perspective from Reagan's.
02:53:48.000Now, the tone is different, and that's what needs to change.