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00:03:49.000It's making them have lower sperm counts, significantly lower sperm counts, like 50% lower sperm counts than they did 50 years ago, and on a straight downward trajectory, along with miscarriages.
00:04:04.000It is crazy when you just see what we've done to us and weren't even aware of it until the early 2000s, like the first studies that she did.
00:04:13.000She's an environmental endocrinologist, so she's a researcher that studies the effects of environmental toxins on human reproductive systems.
00:04:25.000And isn't it crazy, right, that it's almost like just what we are as organisms, we could get this information, and you're still kind of like, yeah, it's nuts.
00:05:25.000For sure, he understands there's room for a catastrophe.
00:05:30.000There's room for a massive error that lets these things become sentient and just start gunning people down on the streets or starts using us as human batteries.
00:05:40.000Yeah, look man, think how fragile shit is, like just that we got all these countries with H-bombs and shit.
00:05:45.000Look at what's going on right now with Ukraine and Russia, where they're moving planes and troops to the border.
00:08:23.000Well, the officially stated reason was that he was about to go genocidal on his own people.
00:08:29.000But all of this has been – there was actually an investigation that the British Parliament held.
00:08:36.000And they basically determined that there was no grounds to think that this guy who had been in control for decades was all of the sudden about to go genocidal on his people.
00:08:47.000So I don't know what the number in Libya is.
00:08:50.000The number in Yemen is probably going to be somewhere between 500,000 and a million.
00:11:26.000They tell the story of Syria, and it's like, you know, Mike Baker, who I love, but his version of the story in Syria is like, well, Assad started killing all of his own people, and so what are we going to do?
00:11:38.000You know, like, that's the story that they want to tell you, right?
00:11:40.000It's like, this guy's just so bad, he's killing all these people.
00:11:50.000But the real story is that you go, okay, so if we're there, if the narrative is that we're there because Assad's killing his own people, and oh my god, I think he used a gas attack, or oh my god, I think he did this, and this is really dangerous.
00:12:03.000Well, then why is it that General Wesley Clark, Is telling us on video that he saw plans to have regime change in Syria in 2003. Yeah, that was a dark video.
00:12:14.000Why are there articles in 2007 about regime change?
00:12:17.000Because he certainly wasn't killing his own people then.
00:12:19.000And then as Jimmy Dore broke down perfectly, you realize that actually what happened Was that the CIA and the Saudis launched this Operation Timber Sycamore and they said that we are going to arm all of the anti-Assad rebels, largely consisting of Al Qaeda and ISIS,
00:12:36.000in an attempt to take him out, to have the next regime change, that this plan had been in the works for years.
00:12:42.000And when confronted with that threat, Asad launched a brutal war against them.
00:12:49.000Certainly killed a whole lot of people.
00:12:51.000I mean, like, if there was ISIS in a town, he'd just kill everybody in the town.
00:13:35.000And it's very hard to not look back at that and go like, okay, well...
00:13:41.000Not all of it came true exactly, but certainly there has been an agenda since 9-11 to have one regime change after the next in the Middle East.
00:13:51.000It wasn't just, oh, we have to go to Afghanistan and, oh, we also have to go to Iraq because we think they have WMDs or something.
00:13:57.000It's like, well, why then have there been these five subsequent countries that we also have to go and overthrow?
00:14:02.000And no one ever, with the exception of Wesley Clark, no politician ever told the American people Hey, here's what our plan is.
00:14:50.000In shock, not even responding to the fact that someone just stuck a knife up his ass.
00:14:55.000Just completely gripped with terror knowing that this is the end and that the rebels have captured and they're all screaming and yelling and fucking going crazy.
00:15:16.000Like now it's like well you can get it from all these places and that there's good and bad that comes with that but they're also now flipping out and and you can see it like they're losing their grip on power and becoming more and more insane about it.
00:15:30.000Well they've lost the ethics of journalism like this James O'Keefe thing on CNN where that guy who was he the chief whatever he is?
00:15:39.000Yeah I forget his position but a big he was a pretty big CNN guy.
00:15:41.000And the crazy thing is they catch him on tinder dates She must have been hot.
00:16:18.000Can you imagine just like if you were like the head of CNN and you have to give a meeting in the morning and you're like, all right, so one more time, guys.
00:16:24.000If a hot chick takes you out to a bar and starts asking you to tell her about how we're propaganda, that's James O'Keefe, alright?
00:16:31.000So please don't just start babbling about how we do propaganda.
00:16:50.000Imagine if someone heard you say this.
00:16:53.000Imagine what kind of repercussions it would have on the business.
00:16:56.000Yeah, and the fact that it's funny because you almost want to envision it in like there's this grand plan or this conspiracy, but then you realize he's just a dude, just being a dude, just trying to like wag his dick in front of this girl like, yeah, let me tell you what we do over at CNN. Here,
00:18:12.000That Ron Paul 2008 campaign is what changed my life and sent me on this trajectory.
00:18:19.000I guess I was a little bit interested just in the Bush years because it was like with the wars, the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I was in New York during 9-11, and so that kind of affected me.
00:18:32.000And I was kind of interested in that stuff.
00:18:34.000And then when the economy crashed in 2008, I was kind of like, wait, what the hell is going on here?
00:18:39.000And then there was Ron Paul, who was – his whole campaign was centered around, well, here's what's going on in the wars and here's what's going on with the economy.
00:18:48.000And the first time I saw him, I just happened to be watching the Fox News debate with him and Giuliani.
00:18:54.000And it was just this little unknown baby doctor, Republican congressman from Texas, like our Texas, who just got up there and just said, listen, they don't hate us because we're free.
00:19:07.000They hate us because we've been bombing the crap out of them for like decades.
00:19:36.000They mean that our covert operations have unintended consequences.
00:19:41.000And if we think that we can just overthrow governments that we don't like, like we did in 1953 with Iran and when we installed a dictator, and then when they overthrew that dictator, guess who they hate?
00:21:03.000And so I had that and, you know, like I so I just got obsessed with it and I found all these different thinkers, Murray Rothbard, Ron Paul, Tom Woods, Scott Horton, like all these really, really smart guys who are breaking all this shit down.
00:22:34.000Out of all the people that I know, I mean, I don't know what happened to him when he was a child where too many people told him what to do, but he doesn't want to hear that shit.
00:22:42.000You know, he has no desire to be told what to do.
00:22:54.000I won't mention anything about the contents of it, but he sent me this video that was like the funniest, most wildly offensive shit, and I was like, wait, dude, you're not putting that out, right?
00:25:51.000This year has been an incredible gift to would-be authoritarian regular people who now have been given public license to kind of like crack down on somebody for not following these rules.
00:26:08.000Anyone who's ever lived in an apartment building in a city...
00:26:12.000There's always one person in there who's just trying to enforce the rules on everybody else.
00:26:18.000Oh, you put recycling in the wrong thing.
00:26:21.000And it's like every one of those people in our society has been granted free reign.
00:26:31.000It's been weird to watch people adopt.
00:26:33.000Because it's one of those things like, put a mask on is one of those things where when people tell you there's no real right way to respond.
00:26:41.000If you're walking down the street and someone goes, put a mask on!
00:26:44.000You can't go, have you read the studies?
00:26:46.000Because the studies show that when you're outside, the sunlight kills COVID almost instantly.
00:26:58.000And you're like, oh, I'm going to try to relay some scientific information about COVID and UV light, but at most you're going to get like 10 points.
00:27:06.000Do you remember, I think you shared this video recently, but it was an old Noam Chomsky video where he was just talking about the effectiveness of calling someone a racist or a sexist or a Nazi or something like that.
00:27:17.000And you go, as soon as you start defending yourself, you're now the guy saying, I'm not a racist.
00:28:56.000There were so many things right away that you're just like, this doesn't make sense.
00:29:00.000And they're all around us, all over the place today.
00:29:03.000And I hate this idea that, okay, so we just completely overhauled our societal norms over this last year.
00:29:11.000And I'm not allowed to just point out when they make absolutely no sense.
00:29:17.000Last time I was here, in November, when I came out and did the show, I was at my hotel.
00:29:23.000And we're in the hotel lobby and there's like a bar in the hotel lobby and then, you know, like chairs out in the lobby.
00:29:30.000And this older guy sits down in the chair and he takes his mask off.
00:29:35.000And the woman behind the desk was like, sir, sir, you have to keep your mask on.
00:29:40.000And then you look at this and then you just pan over this way and there's people at the bar sitting down with their masks off drinking whiskey.
00:29:46.000And you're just like sitting here and you're like, how am I supposed to look at this and not go...
00:30:26.000So we've developed these sort of patterns that we expect people to follow, and if you comply with those patterns, we know you're a good person.
00:30:33.000And if you don't, the worst case scenario is what's happening in Canada.
00:30:38.000Where, I mean, I'm sure you saw that one pastor who's screaming and yelling, get out, you Nazis!
00:30:47.000It was on Passover, and this guy was freaking out because they were telling him you can't have a service because there's too many people there.
00:30:52.000And then, I'm not sure if it was the same church or if it was another church, but there was a church video not long after that where there was 200 cops showed up, militarized violence.
00:31:06.000Bulletproof vests, gas masks, the whole thing.
00:31:10.000You guys are going to people that are at church.
00:31:12.000Like, they've taken the most authoritarian approach.
00:31:16.000And for people that don't understand the difference between the United States and our politics and the freedoms that are provided to us by the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, by our Bill of Rights, by the Constitution...
00:31:29.000First of all, they do not have a First Amendment.
00:31:32.000They don't have a freedom of assembly.
00:31:34.000They don't have the same rights that are bestowed upon them by their constitution.
00:31:38.000We think of them as the same as us, but they're not.
00:31:41.000Justin Trudeau and the government over there and the local governments, whether it's in Ontario or wherever it is, they have way more power over the people.
00:32:16.000But you have these legal precedents that are set.
00:32:19.000And then when the big thing comes, they already have the precedent to say, well, we don't have to respect your freedom to gather or your freedom of speech or any of this.
00:32:28.000It's a very dangerous road to go down.
00:32:30.000And even, look, even here in America, we...
00:32:34.000The Constitution and the Bill of Rights and all of this is still just kind of an idea.
00:32:39.000Like, you know, Governor Murphy, the governor of New Jersey, I don't know if you saw this, it was last April or May.
00:32:46.000It was pretty early into the lockdown stuff when he was on Tucker Carlson's show.
00:33:04.000And he said to Governor Murphy, straight up, he goes, okay, so he talked about this thing that had just happened where I think like 15 Jewish people were arrested for going to synagogue.
00:33:13.000And he goes, okay, so you just arrested these people for going to synagogue.
00:34:36.000But people that think they're on the right side don't ever think that's going to happen with their ideology.
00:34:43.000Like, woke totalitarians never connect themselves to people like Stalin.
00:34:49.000They never connect themselves to Marx.
00:34:51.000They don't think of the fact that they want people to be completely compelled to follow their ideology with all the horrible examples in history of people being compelled to follow an ideology.
00:35:06.000Because it's one of those things that when the Patriot Act was put in place, some of the people that were sounding the alarms were saying, look, Obama is probably not going to do horrible things with this.
00:35:17.000But what if the next person who gets elected president does?
00:35:37.000I was really hopeful, and foolishly so, but I was really hopeful that when it was Trump, maybe some people on the left would have woken up to that.
00:35:46.000And been like, oh yeah, you know, all that hypothetical, it could be somebody who you really hate.
00:35:52.000So maybe we should make the presidency not so powerful.
00:35:55.000So just in case the guy you hate so much gets in there, you know, he doesn't have all of this power.
00:36:01.000But that just wasn't the conversation at all.
00:36:02.000It was just racist and Russia and that's it.
00:36:05.000I mean, I just don't see how we're ever going to get past the fact that most of these people who become politicians are not the people that you would want to be in charge.
00:37:02.000You are power brokers, and you're really counting on people being stupid, and unfortunately, I guess too many of them are, to really buy into the fact that this is some real display.
00:37:12.000You are just using this in order to consolidate more power, because that's what drives these people.
00:37:18.000And that's the thing that I really try to drive home, especially to left-wing people, about all the woke shit, is that you're like, just look, take a step back and look at what's happening here.
00:37:33.000Do you think it's a coincidence that JPMorgan Chase, they're building floats in the gay pride parade and the fact that Raytheon is putting out these press releases about how we're a very inclusive place for transgender people to work and all this.
00:37:50.000They're just trying to say, hey, if we throw you this token, then can we continue doing all the horrible shit that a good leftist should have a problem with?
00:38:07.000These guys, they do a great job of breaking down the academic roots of wokeism.
00:38:16.000All this stuff about critical theory and the Frankfurt School and the postmodernists.
00:38:20.000And they're right, I think, just about all of it.
00:38:23.000But to me, the real interesting thing about what's actually going on now Why are they pushing all this shit all of a sudden?
00:38:40.000And I think it's pretty obvious that they were like, well, this is the perfect tactic for them.
00:38:44.000That they can, this is their way to buy off the left-wing resistance to them, placate them with nonsense that doesn't actually require them giving up any power, and pit the left-wingers and the right-wingers against each other to be fighting this culture war.
00:39:26.000You know, it's like you had, you know, was it 10 years ago, the left-wingers are outside the big banks and they're chanting, we are the 99%.
00:39:34.000And what did they really mean by that?
00:40:07.000And now, instead of the 99%, what is the message?
00:40:11.000It's like, well, we are the 5%, and we're the 13%, and we're the 7%, and everyone's fighting everyone.
00:40:17.000All this woke messaging is the exact opposite of 99%.
00:40:21.000They did a very good job of tearing that whole movement apart, tearing that whole impulse apart.
00:40:29.000That it's like everyone versus the really powerful people.
00:40:32.000But you know what happened when Occupy Wall Street was going down, one of the first things the government did is infiltrate Occupy, fill it up with government agents that started doing crazy shit.
00:40:40.000So they start, you know, agent provocateurs.
00:40:44.000So agent provocateurs will always enter into any, whenever there's something that's a problem for the government that is essentially peaceful, so there's no real way that they can break it up.
00:40:56.000What they'll do is they'll infiltrate, and either they'll have these agent provocateurs start smashing windows and lighting things on fire, or they'll have them start making plans to do violence, and they'll recruit other people to do it, and then they arrest everybody.
00:41:09.000And they sow division within the movement, so all these people are turning against each other, then they co-op it.
00:41:16.000What we do with other countries, we also do with things that happen domestically.
00:41:20.000It's the same kind of intel ops that they do in other countries.
00:41:25.000Well, I mean, if you're trusting the people who we know do this shit in other countries to govern us here, why would you expect any better than that?
00:41:34.000It's so funny when they expect the people who will just slaughter hundreds of thousands in third world countries to then run our welfare programs here.
00:41:44.000So you think all of a sudden they want to take care of you?
00:41:47.000It's like, would you let someone who's killed kids babysit your kid?
00:41:51.000Because they go, well, he killed kids over there.
00:41:53.000I mean, I'm sure he'll take care of my kids.
00:41:55.000I wouldn't want those people anywhere around anyone's kids.
00:41:59.000You know the weird thing about all this shit, Dave, is that I don't see any solution.
00:42:06.000And I also think that even when I talk to you, I know so little about this stuff in comparison to you.
00:42:11.000And when I talk to you about it and I think of catching up, I'm like, oh my god, how much time would that take?
00:42:17.000And then I think of the average person and how much time the average person actually has to pay attention to the way the world works and how much time they have to dedicate to making things better.
00:42:27.000So someone who comes along with platitudes and someone who comes along with the right slogans and someone who comes along with the right vibe, whether it's...
00:42:34.000You know, someone who looks the part like an AOC or someone, you know, someone along those lines.
00:42:38.000People just will blindly follow them hoping that this is the right thing, A, and B, they know that by pledging allegiance to this person who other people have kind of agreed is the right choice, then they'll be included in the group of people that's doing the right thing,
00:42:57.000Whereas everybody else will be on the other tribe and so then it becomes this weird tribal divide which is a constant state in this country.
00:43:04.000Where we have these ideologies and we were talking before about how it's never been more clear than ever that people on the far left and people on the far right are basically the same person.
00:43:15.000They're these real maniacs who have Completely ignored nuance and adopted their ideology so wholly and are fighting against the other side so completely that they can't see the forest for the trees.
00:43:28.000They're just committed to one side, this one thing they've committed to.
00:43:54.000It's like the left wing and the right wing are like spinning out of control and getting crazier and crazier.
00:43:58.000But to me, I think the real story of the 21st century in America How we went from the Clinton 90s to where we are today, you know, in such a good place as a country.
00:44:09.000I mean, there were lots of problems, but we weren't on a national suicide like we are now.
00:44:14.000But to me, the real story is that the center became the radicals.
00:45:24.000And then some radicals came to you and made proposals.
00:45:27.000Like, this is what I think we should do instead of this society that you have.
00:45:31.000And let's say one was the most radical left-winger that you know today, and one was the most radical right-winger that you know today, saying all of their crazy shit.
00:45:38.000And you have the left-wingers like, we should have the woke police and hate speech laws and all of this.
00:45:42.000And the right-wingers like, we should be nationalist and we should build a wall and whatever it is.
00:46:09.000And put people in there for non-violent, victimless crimes.
00:46:12.000I think we should tax people and then bail out big banks and big corporations with the money.
00:46:17.000And you're just looking at these three people.
00:46:19.000Would it be obvious who the radical is?
00:46:21.000Would you look at the left-winger and the right-winger and say, well, that's really crazy, but this guy really has something to say.
00:46:27.000I think there's an argument that that's the most radical shit you could propose.
00:46:32.000So now those guys became the extremists, and now they have no leg to stand on to tell a radical leftist or a radical right-winger, well, you're being a little bit too radical.
00:48:04.000There's so many people now that are on edge.
00:48:09.000After the Capitol Hill attack, rightly so, Jesus Christ, the fact that we got that close to these fucking maniacs literally almost killing representatives.
00:48:19.000As crazy as it gets, a guy with war paint on and a fucking buffalo helmet.
00:48:26.000Is shirtless, standing on the floor of the Senate.
00:49:18.000Like, that's not even like we're talking about what happened on the 6th of January when they, you know, but if you just zoom out a little bit more.
00:49:25.000And you're like, okay, but what really happened here?
00:49:28.000And why were the right-wingers willing to go with Donald Trump?
00:49:32.000And why are they willing to storm the Capitol?
00:49:34.000And even if it's just a few hundred storming, the rest of them at least protesting, and tens of millions don't believe the election was legitimate at all.
00:49:41.000And why do they have such little faith in all of these institutions?
00:49:45.000And I think, again, you could zoom back very far, but just keeping it in the last 20 years, it's like, well, look at everything.
00:49:55.000They fought all of these wars that everyone knows are bullshit.
00:49:59.000They've robbed the American people and just given all the money to huge corporations, the big banks.
00:50:05.000We have just incredible levels of corruption.
00:50:08.000I mean, just like baked into the cake now, where we have this society where there's like...
00:50:12.000Crazy low interest rates and crazy high government spending.
00:50:16.000So all of the new wealth – I mean Bernie Sanders nails it when he talks about this, although I don't think he looks at those as the reasons.
00:50:22.000But it's like all of the new wealth coming in disproportionately goes to the top.
00:50:27.000The whole system is completely skewed toward the already powerful because you have low interest rates.
00:50:32.000So now you have a whole speculating economy.
00:50:35.000Everyone's got to get in investments and stocks and bonds and try to make money that way.
00:50:38.000And so, of course, the Wall Street speculators make crazy profits.
00:50:41.000And then if they fail, they get bailed out.
00:50:43.000And you have record high government spending.
00:50:45.000So the politically connected are getting all this fucking money.
00:50:47.000So regular people are just more and more starting to realize, like, hey, this whole system is bullshit.
00:51:14.000I don't think defunding the police is right.
00:51:16.000I think you probably need to train them and make it much more difficult to become a cop, make it much more respectable, but how do you do that?
00:51:23.000How do you do that at this stage of the game?
00:51:29.000And I know that a lot of people, it's easy to just kind of laugh that off or whatever, but this really is, I'm not saying it has to be like my exact perfect, you know, like you have to agree with me on everything, but the clear solution to all of this is liberty.
00:51:46.000Is a deviation from what America was really supposed to be, which is basically the Declaration and the Bill of Rights, which are still pretty damn good.
00:51:54.000And if we just followed them, we'd be in a much better place.
00:51:57.000I'll tell you, with the police stuff, look, you're never going to have a perfect...
00:52:44.000Those five policies right there What's the immunity one?
00:52:52.000Qualified immunity basically means that police officers in certain situations, not all situations, but basically are immune from being sued the way other people could be sued.
00:53:04.000So if you are a police officer and you do something that anybody else would have a lawsuit against you for, they're protected under qualified immunity.
00:53:12.000They did something about that in New York City, right?
00:53:28.000And I've got to say, honestly, I think that perhaps the guilty verdict in this case against Derek Chauvin will make another cop think twice if they're in a situation like that, which I think that...
00:53:43.000But just to your other question about the bigger stuff with just the government in general, like what's the answer to not making people want to storm the Capitol?
00:53:52.000I really think that, and I just mean this from almost like a medical perspective, like this is why the country's going to die and this is the only thing that could solve the problem, is some type of decentralization, limiting of the power of the federal government The reason why people are so worked up about every presidential election is just because the federal government has too much damn power.
00:54:16.000And whoever is the president is now like half the country has to live under Biden's rule right now and they hate that.
00:54:23.000And the other half of the country would have had to live under another four years of Donald Trump and they hate that.
00:54:27.000And so I think the answer is just to reduce the size and power of the federal government, make it not that consequential who the president is, make more decisions on local levels, on community levels, on state levels, everything before you get to the federal government.
00:54:43.000And just on a practical level, the federal government doesn't do a good job at any of it.
00:54:49.000But I would say that like the big issues that – and this is why like I'm real all in on the Libertarian Party and I know people laugh off the Libertarian Party sometimes and not all of the candidates they've put out have been great and not all of the messaging has been that great either.
00:55:02.000But the Democrats and the Republicans are like rotten to their core.
00:55:05.000They're just completely corrupt parties that do nothing but rape the American people and are in complete agreement over all the things that I just laid out that are the worst things that our government does.
00:55:16.000And what we need is basically a movement in America to say, hey, look, we're going to end the COVID regime.
00:56:24.000Well, if you look at, so, I mean, there's many different forms, but if you just look at, over the last year, the COVID stimulus bills, right?
00:56:32.000You know how you'd always be like, oh, you know, the money they're giving you doesn't really add up to the whole bill?
00:56:36.000You'd be like, okay, so it's a $2 trillion bill, and like $130 billion of it is checks to people.
00:56:42.000What else is all the other shit in that bill?
00:56:44.000How come the bill was 2,000 pages long?
00:56:46.000And basically, all it is is giveaways to, you know, politically connected big business.
00:56:54.000And there's bailouts for the airline industries, for communication industries, the banks, the Federal Reserve, you know, easy money that they give to the banks.
00:57:49.000To save the country from its impending death.
00:57:52.000I think you're making some really good points, and I think a really good one is ending the war on drugs.
00:57:58.000Ending the war on drugs and not incarcerating people for the rest of their lives for nonviolent drug offenses would change a lot in this country.
00:58:07.000First of all, the whole prison industrial complex, this system that's put in place Where there's money to be made by putting people in jail.
00:58:16.000And whether it's private, these are private prisons, or whether they're the state-run prisons or the federally-run prisons, it's still the same thing.
00:58:27.000We incarcerate more people than anyone, by a long shot.
00:58:30.000Well, China probably kills more people, but they just make people disappear.
00:58:35.000But we incarcerate an insane amount of people.
00:58:39.000An insane amount of people who aren't hurting anybody.
00:58:42.000And that does need to end because then that changes the relationship that people have to the government.
00:58:47.000It changes the relationship people have to the police.
00:58:49.000If you're doing something and there's a law that's in place that is supposed to protect you from putting something into your body and protect you from someone selling you something that you want to put into your body, regardless of whether you should or shouldn't, we can make a clear argument that there's already enough stuff that you could buy at any store right now that'll kill you.
00:59:31.000To put these laws in the hands of people where they can decide to lock you in a cage because you do something that you want to do and they don't want you to do it.
01:00:04.000Because if I can't choose what I can put in my own body, then I'm a slave to somebody else.
01:00:09.000And I don't mean chattel slavery or in the same sense, but you are not a free person if you can't make a decision about what you put in your body.
01:00:16.000And so, obviously, directly, like you just said, the most immoral thing about it is the idea of throwing a human being in a cage like an animal For the crime of putting something in their body.
01:00:26.000But then on top of that, when you talk about the relationship between people and cops, the effect of the war on drugs has...
01:00:34.000I mean, look, just like under prohibition, when the gang culture rose up and the murder rate skyrocketed, and then when we repealed prohibition, the murder rate went back down.
01:00:43.000And then the gang members moved into prostitution and gambling, the other prohibitions.
01:01:17.000That America could do to turn around the crime problem in the inner cities throughout this country than to just end all of the prohibitions.
01:01:26.000Just be like there's no more money to be made here for you guys.
01:01:28.000And now let what happens in California and in other places let legitimate businesses come in and do it.
01:01:34.000I'm not saying it's perfect but it's a lot better than having high murder rates and high incarceration rates.
01:01:39.000Well, it'd be really fascinating to see how they would manage trying to legitimize things like heroin and cocaine and things that have been sold by the cartels forever.
01:01:51.000What we're doing right now is the same thing, again, as you're saying during alcohol prohibition that propped up the mob, we propped up the cartels.
01:01:59.000And it's a really dangerous scenario because it's like, oh, it's out of sight, out of sight, out of mind.
01:02:04.000It's right over there, but it's right over there.
01:02:05.000But there's this fucking gigantic industry in providing us with stuff that we've decided is illegal.
01:02:11.000And so the people that are providing it to us are some of the most dangerous fucking well-funded people on the planet Earth, and they can drive here.
01:02:50.000And also, it's really tragic and very complicated.
01:02:54.000But even when you do these things that do sound kind of humanitarian and nice, so Biden will do a thing where he's like, hey, well, look, we're not going to, you know, if you're on the other side of the border, if you have like a young kid with you, We're gonna bring you in.
01:03:07.000We're not just gonna leave you there on the other side.
01:03:48.000Then the taxpayers got to pay to subsidize immigration with all of the like – Welfare that immigrants can receive, and there's lots of welfare programs they can't receive, but they definitely get, like, their kids go to school, they go to hospitals, they get to this, right?
01:04:02.000So you've got to subsidize the immigrants, you have to subsidize the war on drugs, then you have to subsidize the war on immigration, like ICE and all of those people, and we're paying for every side of this ridiculous policy when we could just go, make the drugs legal.
01:04:47.000He doesn't do a lot of it, but he's like, this idea of what heroin is, it's been greatly exaggerated because of the fact that it's illegal, because of the fact that it's got a stigma attached to it, or because people shoot it up.
01:05:44.000And there's something really profound about that.
01:05:46.000That the real problem there is not the substance.
01:05:49.000The real problem is all the other conditions around you that would lead to you just being like, fuck it, this high is better than anything else I have in my life and I'm just going to do this until I die.
01:05:58.000That's a great way of looking at it because I think that's exactly what's going on with most people when it comes to drug addiction and depression.
01:06:05.000I think most people, when they're going to a job that they hate and they're stuck in traffic and then they're stuck in a cubicle and then they're suppressed at work, they have bosses that are assholes, they're constantly being watched and under review, they're under these fluorescent lights doing...
01:06:21.000Mindless, stupid shit all day, and then they're exhausted.
01:06:24.000They're filling themselves up with terrible food.
01:06:26.000They get home, they're exhausted, they're watching television, they're falling asleep, and they're getting back up in the morning and doing it all over again, and when they can, they do drugs.
01:06:33.000And the drugs may be the only thing that makes them feel good.
01:06:36.000They get, for the weekend, you know, they pick up a package, do a bump with their friends, have a couple of drinks, and talk at the bar, and now they feel great.
01:06:45.000And then on their way home, they get arrested.
01:07:10.000And these things, like these policies, have these huge ripple effects outward, you know?
01:07:14.000I heard people saying the other day, George Floyd ate his stash, and that's why he was flipping out when the cop came, which I don't know if that's actually factually true or not, but a lot of people were saying that that's what happened, is that he ate his stash when the cops were coming.
01:07:28.000Well, if that is true, that's again, it's because they're fucking illegal.
01:07:38.000Yeah, but that's one of the problems with kids today, where they're getting, whether it's MDMA or a lot of other, even Coke, they're buying Coke, and it's coming laced with fentanyl because it's cheaper.
01:09:15.000And back then, in 2008, he was fairly long in the tooth.
01:09:19.000He was always a little too old for the time of his movement.
01:09:25.000If the movement had come with him 20 years younger, I really think he could have changed the world.
01:09:32.000Yeah, I said 80s, I meant 2008. He's also a little too nice.
01:09:35.000To be frank, like, Ron Paul's just too good of a person to quite have that thing.
01:09:40.000If he just had, like, a touch of Trump, like, just a little pinch of Donald Trump to, like, really go at people, I think maybe that would have, the confrontational nature would have gotten him more attention.
01:09:51.000Yeah, but then he wouldn't have that sort of attitude.
01:10:06.000And a lot of us libertarians, the hardcore libertarians, were really disappointed in his presidential run in 2016. We really hoped he would kind of pick up the mantle and run with it, and it just didn't work out.
01:10:19.000Do you think he just didn't like the pressure?
01:10:21.000Do you think he just didn't like the idea behind it?
01:10:23.000Because he seems to stand up for things when he finds them to be very important.
01:13:30.000You'll be 41. I'll be 41. There you go.
01:13:33.000In all seriousness, I'm kind of considering it.
01:13:36.000There are a lot of people who want me to run, and I just want somebody who will just say what needs to be said and talk that liberty shit the way it should be talked.
01:13:46.000But what we're looking at are the Democrats and Republicans, it's going to be Harris running against, I don't know, maybe DeSantis.
01:14:27.000It's really fascinating how people have broken off into these camps.
01:14:30.000Like there's Camp Florida and Camp Texas and people are just abandoning.
01:14:35.000California, rats on a sinking ship and abandoning New York.
01:14:39.000And then whenever you think that New York is going to turn around, then you hear they're going to do something crazy, like make the taxes even higher, or tax rich people even more than they're taxing them now, which I think there's some nutty statistic about the amount of taxes in New York City that come from wealthy people,
01:14:57.000that it's a small percentage that pays more than 50% of the taxes.
01:15:03.000It's something crazy because New York is one of the biggest melting pots in our country where everybody's kind of together, walking around the streets, being on the subway.
01:15:15.000It's one of the cool things about New York City.
01:15:17.000But it's also one of the craziest divisions of wealth when you look at people that are really barely getting by versus people that are buying $40 million apartments.
01:15:58.000I mean, just like the people voting with their feats, flooding out of these areas, and not look at that as just conclusive.
01:16:06.000Like, well, these policies are bad, and these are better.
01:16:10.000I mean, it's like the commies built the wall in Berlin.
01:16:15.000To stop people from flooding out, because it was disproving their whole experiment.
01:16:20.000I mean, they couldn't sit there and watch everybody flooding out of, you know, communist countries into the democratic countries and sit there and go, no, our system is really way better for the people.
01:16:30.000So they had to build a wall to stop them from leaving.
01:16:32.000And right now, you're almost watching that.
01:16:36.000If you read the New York Times or you turn on CNN or something like that, and they'll be sitting there telling you how responsible Cuomo and Newsom are and how reckless Florida and Texas have been.
01:16:48.000And then you're watching people flood from those cities into the other one and you're like well okay but isn't that kind of conclusive proof that just like it's a complete rejection of this lockdown shit like this did not work well the lockdown the theory proved to be inaccurate right the theory was and it made sense we have to protect people from the spread of this deadly virus right here we are in march of last year we got to stop this deadly virus from spreading how do we do that Well,
01:17:16.000step one, we have to keep people from going outside and mingling because that's going to stop the spread.
01:18:00.000And so the places where everybody was locked down, it turned out, like, that didn't help at all.
01:18:05.000The only thing that it did is make the economy way worse there.
01:18:08.000And then they doubled down on it, and then people tried to revolt.
01:18:12.000People got angry at it, and they doubled down further.
01:18:15.000And then you saw the politicians get busted for doing things that were contrary to what they were telling people to do.
01:18:20.000And then people got more and more resentful, and then people left even more, and then here we are one year later.
01:18:25.000But what's fascinating about it is that because the way the United States is set up, because we do have different ideologies, different philosophies, and different schools of government, like the way we decide to govern our states is different, you can see, oh, look how they're doing it in Florida.
01:19:01.000Even though they're wide open, it's actually shown that their levels of COVID are lower, their death rates are lower, and they're doing great.
01:19:12.000And you would think, if we were being reasonable, right, if you were advocating for lockdowns, You're advocating for destroying people's businesses, suspending basic human liberty.
01:19:26.000Obviously, everyone knows there's going to be all types of disastrous effects of keeping people at home, ruining jobs, all of this, right?
01:19:38.000This is a pretty big ask and really a demand.
01:19:42.000Well, you would think the onus was on you to show, not that this helps a little bit, but there has to be some drastic, like very clear, look, the states that are locked down are doing like 10 times better than the states that are opened up.
01:19:54.000And as soon as that was obviously not the case, It should have, if we were just dealing an honest debate, destroyed the entire lockdown argument.
01:20:04.000And all of the predictions that have been completely wrong, like what you were just saying, and they never, you know, I remember people saying, Sweden, by the summer, by last summer, there'd be hundreds of thousands dead in Sweden.
01:20:17.000And then by the time the summer hit, there were like 6,000 COVID deaths.
01:20:20.000And you're like, anyone gonna take that back?
01:21:52.000Yeah, and this is one of the reasons why I called you, one of the reasons why I wanted you to come here to do the podcast, because I've heard you talking about COVID passports, about vaccine passports, and I share your deep concern about this idea.
01:22:09.000Because this is not something that they're just going to keep with COVID vaccines.
01:22:14.000If there's a way that they can get you to show your papers and to show whether you have an app on your phone, whether you're, you know, whatever it is that you have to have in order to be able to freely travel around the United States, they're going to keep that fucking thing.
01:22:29.000Well, and I said, just like I said before, if you're just looking at the bigger picture of it, you're like, look, this is, and I think objectively, The country went totalitarian for about a year.
01:22:39.000Now, not every single part of it was as totalitarian as the rest.
01:22:42.000But according to governors, out of their own words, they suspended the Bill of Rights.
01:22:48.000And we've been in a year living under that.
01:22:50.000How long do you think we can go Right.
01:23:14.000By June, he said, everyone who wants it will be able to take it.
01:23:17.000And that's a perfect little opportunity point to go, okay, so we break out of it now.
01:23:23.000Now you can make a sound argument that if the vaccine's available for everybody, the people who want it can take it, and the people who don't are choosing to take the risk.
01:24:39.000And there were reports in the Washington Post and CNN about the Biden administration meeting with these big businesses to say, you know what?
01:24:48.000It's not really good enough to do a local level or a state level thing.
01:24:50.000We need to have one national standard.
01:24:52.000So you're talking about a national caste system.
01:24:56.000And if we embrace that, man, I don't mean to be hyperbolic, but I think this whole thing is fucked.
01:25:04.000I really think this whole country, we are not going to come out of this.
01:25:07.000If we embrace the idea of now, this is an idea straight out of the Chinese social credit system.
01:26:12.000But it is an unbelievable opportunity for the government to really keep But I think the Biden administration has rejected this so far.
01:26:26.000There was a discussion where they were asked, and I think, what's her name, Jen Psaki?
01:26:31.000She was saying that they have no plans whatsoever to do vaccine passports and that this is not something that the Biden administration believes in.
01:26:39.000So what happened was there were these reports that were out that said that the Biden administration was consulting with these big businesses on how to do it.
01:27:17.000And then there's all these other arguments, you know, like just the practicality of it.
01:27:20.000I mean, look, if you say you have to show a driver's license before you vote, people will lose their minds about how this is racist because poor people and black people disproportionately tend to not have driver's licenses.
01:28:29.000Known as ICOP, monitors American social media for inflammatory posts.
01:28:33.000A memo obtained by Yahoo includes identifying details and screenshots of users' parlor accounts, of course.
01:28:41.000Okay, so the post office looking for the next capital attack.
01:28:46.000And it's like the investigator's unit of the post office, like it's the policing part of the post office, which most people don't even know we have.
01:28:54.000Remember when people used to go postal?
01:31:19.000And now they got busted spying on everyone.
01:31:22.000And I guess they could say it's because of the Capitol riot thing or something like that, but this stuff is pretty creepy, man.
01:31:29.000And if it was so honest what they were doing, then how come it had to be a covert thing that Yahoo News was just able to get their hands on the other day?
01:31:39.000Like, why is this being done in secrecy?
01:31:42.000And there's a lot, I will tell you that, you know, again, it's like, like I was saying before, like, however you feel about COVID, you could still be really worried about the totalitarianism.
01:31:51.000Like, you could even think the totalitarianism was justified.
01:31:58.000Like, if you were on a boat and, like, a snake jumped on your boat and someone shot it, you know?
01:32:04.000And then, like, there's a big hole in your boat now.
01:32:06.000Like, you could be like, no, he had to because there was this venomous snake.
01:32:09.000But you'd still be like, okay, but we got to worry about that hole now.
01:32:12.000Like, that's still a problem, even if we needed to do it, you know?
01:32:15.000So it's like you could be against, like, or you could be for the thing and still recognize that it's a concern.
01:32:20.000So you could be against, like, the Capitol riot and all that.
01:32:23.000But don't you find it a little bit creepy that they're all just openly going like, oh, you know what we really need now is to turn George Bush and Dick Cheney's war on terror inward and focus on the domestic terrorists.
01:32:36.000Like, how'd that work out when we were fighting them in the Middle East?
01:32:38.000You know, we killed a lot more people than just terrorists, right?
01:32:40.000Well, what's ironic is that they've created this sort of division with the divide on social media by making social media so censored and left-wing heavy.
01:32:52.000Because, you know, I tried to send a friend of mine a video the other day on Twitter through a direct message, and it was blocked.
01:33:03.000I was asking him if this was accurate, and it was a doctor who was talking about ivermectin.
01:33:10.000And ivermectin, which is a treatment for COVID, and this doctor was saying that ivermectin is 99% effective in treating COVID, but that you don't hear about it because you can't fund vaccines when there's an effective treatment.
01:33:28.000I don't know if this guy's right or wrong, so I'm asking questions.
01:33:56.000And what effect does this have where it's like, Okay, so you kick all the right-wingers off social media, right?
01:34:03.000And then you start kind of like punishing all the not even right-wingers, but just not left-wingers off of there.
01:34:10.000He's like, so what's the end of this here now?
01:34:12.000So now none of us are talking to each other, even in a shitty medium like Twitter.
01:34:17.000Is the answer just that none of us talk to each other?
01:34:19.000We all only just talk to our own groups?
01:34:22.000And so many of these things, and this is another big thing, I think a big story of the last year, has been how much the social media censorship has been cranked up.
01:34:35.000I started noticing, I had a private Facebook group For people who were paying subscribers to my podcast.
01:35:55.000Okay, you take down all these videos, but you know like five of those were right Yeah, not all of them were but five of them were and they were right when it was really important to be right and you ended up censoring this whole shit Yeah, and so like how isn't that dangerous?
01:36:07.000We're gonna pick the one official science and this is the only science that can be spoken Well, it took until I mean here.
01:36:15.000We are it's April of I think it was somewhere around February.
01:36:21.000When did the CDC have it on their website that vitamin D is important?
01:36:28.000But I had talked to all these nutritionists and endocrinologists and all these...
01:36:32.000Scientists are saying it's a critical aspect of your immune system.
01:36:35.000You need to supplement with vitamin D and that 84% of the people in the ICU with COVID were insufficient in vitamin D and only 4% had sufficient levels of vitamin D. It's a really significant aspect of the way your body fights COVID. And the best way to get it is actually being outside.
01:36:53.000Supplement vitamin D is good, but getting it outside from sunlight is better.
01:37:02.000And if you tried to say this, people would try to say that you're some sort of a COVID denier or that you're doing something that endangers people by downplaying the effects of the virus.
01:37:16.000No, we're talking about ways you can mitigate it.
01:37:19.000We're talking about ways you can boost your immune system.
01:37:21.000People got very weirdly attached to the disaster narrative of COVID. Like psychologically attached to it.
01:37:29.000And they took it as like an attack on them.
01:37:31.000If you ever pointed out any good news, such a strange thing because you'd think like, oh, good, this is what we want, right?
01:38:04.000Well, a lot of them couldn't work, and a lot of them couldn't get their drug.
01:38:07.000A lot of them, their drug was going on stage and making people laugh.
01:38:10.000There's a lot of really depressed people in the world of stand-up comedy, and going on stage and making people laugh was their one happy moment of the day.
01:38:17.000Or, you know, if they lived in New York City and they did multiple sets, multiple happy moments in the day.
01:41:28.000I mean, we kind of know, but if you could see it, if you could see it, like, in each individual business, how many restaurants are gone forever?
01:42:14.000You know, the cost of the George W. Bush disastrous administration.
01:42:19.000And you could just look at it in terms of like, okay, well, the war in Iraq cost $2 trillion and Afghanistan was another trillion dollars.
01:42:26.000And then there's like, okay, that's a real tangible cost.
01:42:28.000But then you're also like, all right, well, they had to bring interest rates down and keep them really low in order to finance the wars to keep them on the credit card so we wouldn't pay a lot of interest on it, wouldn't have to tax people.
01:42:37.000Just kind of put it on the credit card.
01:42:39.000And then when interest rates were really down, this sucked a whole lot of people into buying homes that otherwise wouldn't have bought homes who couldn't really afford them.
01:42:46.000But at 1% interest rate, maybe they could afford them.
01:42:48.000So they'd get in there and then the interest rates tick back up and they all got foreclosed on and this brought down the whole economy.
01:42:54.000And you're like, what is the cost of the George W. Bush administration?
01:43:22.000Like what the cost of ruining a family is.
01:43:24.000And the cost of ruining a business could be the cost of ruining multiple marriages, multiple families.
01:43:29.000If you're working in a restaurant and you're a chef and then the owners of the restaurant tell you we can't keep afloat and you're like, oh my god, how am I going to feed my family?
01:44:11.000And it's interesting to see how different states handled it.
01:44:14.000And we'd like to think that These irresponsible states are killing people, but they're not.
01:44:20.000These states that are more interested in giving people freedom to make decisions and keep their businesses open.
01:44:26.000I met with the governor, and I talked to him about it, and his position very clearly was, you've got to let people work.
01:44:33.000Like, he was like, right away, you know, he goes, I know you're a liberal, you know, he said to me, he goes, he goes, and I know that's for social issues.
01:44:40.000And he goes, but when it comes to business, he goes, you have to let people work.
01:44:44.000He goes, you have to keep businesses open.
01:44:46.000He goes, it is the foundation of our economy.
01:45:48.000Like, the idea that I'm going to wear a mask and be distant and be cautious and follow the government orders, is that really more of a left-wing thing than a right-wing thing to do?
01:46:01.000In my mind, it almost seems like the right-winger would be the conservative.
01:46:33.000Yeah, there's a thing that people do on the left today, what we consider, because I think what is the left and the right, it shifts and it goes back and forth.
01:46:59.000There's a whole lot more, and a lot of it is lives, and a lot of it is your future.
01:47:03.000Like, if you're a person who's worked for 30 years, and you built a restaurant, and you've been showing up and busting your ass, and you have, you know, 20, 30 employees, and everybody works with you, and it's like a family.
01:49:19.000Sometimes you have to choose between two bad options and saying, even though there's a lot of bad with what we got, it could have been a lot worse.
01:49:34.000But he said the thing, and he's so right, he goes, man, thank God this thing doesn't kill kids.
01:49:38.000I mean, can you just imagine, like, what a stroke of luck that is.
01:49:42.000That this thing just really doesn't kill kids, and I know there's a few exceptions to that rule, but generally speaking, kids are fine for this.
01:49:49.000You know how much How much worse this whole thing would be if kids died from it?
01:49:52.000How much more panicked we would all be over this?
01:49:54.000Well, that's what's fascinating, because the flu does kill kids.
01:49:56.000And we've never taken any precautions to shield kids from the flu.
01:50:38.000So if you take the position, hey, I think that we should always wear masks social distance because of the flu, of how it can kill babies and stuff like that.
01:54:29.000But when they want to compare, you know, the way you feel about something, like your nervousness or your anxiety about something versus other people.
01:54:48.000My whole family got COVID and I was with them and I never got it.
01:54:52.000And I'm assuming, based on all of the research that's been done on the immune system and what you could do to boost your immune system and all those things that I've done and actively done for fucking forever, for most of my life, that that had an impact.
01:55:10.000Look, the science is pretty clear that if you don't have major underlying health issues and you have a strong immune system, you have nothing to worry about with COVID. But if you say that, people will go fucking bananas and say, why aren't you vaccinated?
01:56:27.000That's where I'm putting my fucking tinfoil hat on.
01:56:30.000Because if it's like really six cases of blood clots over millions of doses, are you sure?
01:56:37.000But it's also, it's just so crazy, and this is just like how the government ends up working, where it's like, you know, you have Dr. Fauci out there for a while, like, no, don't wear a mask, that's ridiculous.
01:56:50.000Yeah, they're wearing two after being vaccinated, you know?
01:56:53.000And then, so they're literally going there, like, it's like one day, Literally one day at noon, you're a kook if you question the vaccines.
01:57:01.000And the next day at noon, they're like, well, we're pulling this vaccine because there's been all these health problems.
01:57:05.000But just yesterday, you weren't even allowed to question whether there were health problems related to the vaccine.
01:57:11.000I almost took the Johnson& Johnson vaccine days before it got pulled.
01:57:16.000And if it did get pulled, I would be sitting here going...
01:57:24.000And I was listening to this doctor discuss what to be worried about and that you really shouldn't be concerned because it's a very small number of people and it's primarily women for some reason.
01:57:35.000And they think it might have something to do with the birth control pill.
01:57:56.000And I'm just thinking, what would I be feeling right now if I had taken that shot and I'm here driving around listening to this guy talk about all these side effects?
01:58:04.000And then, you know, Brett Weinstein and Heather Hying have a great podcast, the Dark Horse podcast.
01:58:12.000And, you know, he's an evolutionary biologist.
01:58:36.000There's nothing else where you can have a discussion about whether or not it's okay to get an injection of something into your body.
01:58:43.000This is a really weird thing where you're supposed to...
01:58:48.000It's almost like people don't want to think that maybe there could be something dangerous ever about not just a vaccine, but any kind of a drug that you get injected in your body.
01:58:56.000So because of this, because this is so critical, they want you to play make-believe with them and say there's no risks.
01:59:03.000And that we have to have this unbelievable faith in In all of these establishment institutions.
02:01:04.000Like, look, don't do anything stupid, but you should take care of yourself.
02:01:07.000If you're a healthy person and you're exercising all the time and you're young and you're eating well, I don't think you need to worry about this.
02:02:05.000Yeah, and you can have this thing where it's like you were saying this virtue signaling and this kind of like theatrical display of I get the vaccine, what a good person I am, I care about everyone.
02:02:14.000But you're like, look, my daughter's a lot younger than your kids, but I'm like, yeah, I'm not injecting my daughter with something to fucking virtue signal.
02:04:26.000I mean, love him or hate him, I'm not a fan.
02:04:29.000I'm not a fan of the way he ran the country or the way he talks, you know, especially in press conferences.
02:04:37.000I mean, just the inflammatory rhetoric that that guy, I think he did more harm than good and created the division and rather accentuated the division.
02:04:45.000Well, I think that you, okay, there are like a few legitimate silver linings that I think were really good that came out of the Trump campaign.
02:06:07.000And he's extending the war so that he can leave on September 11th for some type of ceremonial victory, I don't know, some symbolism of like, yeah, this was the great day that the great Joe Biden pulled the troops out.
02:06:22.000And I got to be honest, I'm very skeptical that he's going to do that.
02:06:26.000But we've had all of these dates where, you know, Joe Biden, when he was vice president, I think he promised we'd be out in 2014. And then Obama said, that's absolutely right.
02:06:33.000We'll be out in 2014. And they just keep going and keep going.
02:06:36.000Do you think that without, you know, any tinfoil hat perspective, do you think that they're doing this just for money?
02:06:43.000Yeah, but I don't think you need a tinfoil hat.
02:06:46.000You know, it's like, look, the military industrial complex is the biggest honeypot in the history of the world.
02:06:54.000It's like a trillion dollars a year that gets spent maintaining this empire.
02:06:58.000And like, yeah, there's people making all types of money off of it.
02:07:02.000And those people have a lot of influence in Washington.
02:07:04.000And so like, yeah, they want to keep making that money.
02:07:07.000They want to keep the gravy train, you know, rolling.
02:07:10.000And so I don't think it's even conspiratorial at all.
02:07:13.000In fact, I think the more conspiratorial thing is to go into all of these other reasons why they would want to stay there.
02:07:19.000But I think that the major driving force is that there is, as Dwight Eisenhower, like Mr. Military, Dwight Eisenhower said, we built up a huge industrial complex that makes money off the warfare machine.
02:07:35.000Isn't it crazy when you look back at him giving that national address At a time when you had to watch it on television, there was no recording devices.
02:07:44.000He did it at a time where the only way Americans could see that was you had to be sitting in front of the television, and he had a message, and that was what was really important for him to get out there.
02:07:55.000I want you to beware of the military-industrial complex and its influence.
02:07:59.000And of all the people, Mr. General One World War II. Dwight.
02:08:28.000It's like, oh shit, now we got nukes and we got this big arms industry and all of this.
02:08:33.000And I mean, look, I think that Donald Trump was right when he said that.
02:08:37.000Then he said that he's like, yeah, there are all these interests who want to keep these wars going and they fight you every time you try to end it.
02:08:43.000Now, to your point, I do think that Donald Trump in result was just bad.
02:08:46.000I think all he did was he agitated the far left, made them crazier than they've ever been before.
02:08:52.000He didn't Actually accomplish much of anything.
02:08:56.000I know there's people who will rattle off all of these things that he did.
02:09:00.000His presidency ended with Americans being locked in their homes and the economy being destroyed and Joe Biden getting elected.
02:09:16.000If it wasn't for COVID and the voting overhaul, and I'm not claiming like there was a bunch of fraud, I'm just saying that the voting by mail let a lot more people vote and it was a whole different way to do elections.
02:09:26.000If he had his economy from January 2019 in November 2020 and they had the same way, we were doing voting the same way we always used to, I think he wins in a landslide.
02:09:40.000I just wonder what's going to happen because he's going to run again in 2024, he said.
02:09:44.000He said that, but he's also, it's like on one hand, he's old and fat, but then on the other hand, he's Donald fucking Trump, so who the hell knows what he might do.
02:11:09.000So here they are training in the morning, and he shows up, and George, who's just such a brilliant guy, so open-minded, he had been sparring with this guy in the past, and there he is.
02:11:29.000If you looked at him, you're like, oh, this is the guy that just started training.
02:11:32.000If you looked at him, if you didn't know, if I saw that guy, if I went to the gym and I saw that guy, I'd be like, oh, okay, this guy is probably trying to get in shape.
02:13:01.000I'm worried about how we pull ourselves back to some sort of homeostasis.
02:13:06.000We bring ourselves back to some sort of calm place where we can agree to disagree, where we can have Republicans and Democrats, right-wing and left-wing people, sit and discuss ideas and not be at each other's throats.
02:13:19.000I'm worried that social media has accentuated all this because we've gotten accustomed to silencing people, which I think is very dangerous.
02:13:26.000It just reinforces these echo chambers that people live in every day and makes them think that they're right because these people do get silenced and deplatformed and so many people call for it.
02:13:44.000And a lot of people think it's setting us up for some sort of a civil war.
02:13:48.000And when, you know, that sounds like completely hyperbolic, right?
02:13:51.000But then you see that Capitol Hill attack and you go, Jesus Christ.
02:13:55.000These are morons that are doing this, right?
02:13:57.000These are really stupid people that did that Capitol Hill attack.
02:14:01.000But what if things get worse and then people that are maybe a little smarter think it's a good idea to fight the left or fight the government or fight the powers that be?
02:14:10.000Or maybe one too many people sees these attacks on churchgoers in Canada and it starts happening up there as well.
02:14:18.000This kind of shit is just hard to pull out of when everything feels so...
02:14:30.000Just the fabric of society, the fabric of civility seems so easy to tear right now.
02:14:36.000Yeah, well, it's like, look, I mean, in the 20th century, we fought two world wars.
02:14:41.000These were like advanced industrial countries that had people made out of the same stuff me and you are made out of that let it get to that level.
02:14:50.000You're like, wouldn't you think, well, at some point, like rational minds have to, you know, have cooler tempers or figure this out.
02:15:30.000He used to say – I really love this.
02:15:32.000He goes, you know, if you were sitting around in 1840 and you were like an abolitionist talking to another abolitionist and you said, hey, you know, I think in 25 years slavery across the West will be abolished.
02:17:25.000Like that these big corporations can adopt woke ideology, at least on paper, and just say it.
02:17:30.000And, you know, have their diversity training and have their inclusiveness and have these statements that they put out and go, all right, we did our job.
02:17:45.000A certain group of people who are kind of like would-be authoritarians who are low status and not very bright.
02:17:55.000People like that love wokeism because it's a real excuse where you don't have to know anything.
02:18:02.000You don't have to know anything to go, I'm offended by Joe Rogan, and I think he is a racist, sexist, transphobe, whatever any of the other words are.
02:18:39.000You know, you could like, you could call some guy a homophobe, but it's like, Maybe you should go help someone who came out to their parents and got kicked out of their home or something like that.
02:18:51.000Go do something if you want this sense of moral superiority rather than just calling someone out.
02:18:57.000So we've got to find a way one way or the other to break that.
02:19:01.000Well, that's all a product of social media.
02:19:04.000This ability to express yourself in these quick little sound bites and then see likes come in.
02:19:18.000Because their conclusions seem to be, first of all, it's all playing out exactly as they predicted.
02:19:25.000And these guys that were engineers that figured out these algorithms that put this all together, they realized as they were doing, holy shit, this does not go in a good direction.
02:19:39.000I also think there's basically nothing we can do about that aspect of it.
02:19:43.000I just think, like, this is here with us now, and this is the technology, and it's probably going to be impossible to put that toothpaste back in the tube.
02:19:50.000But what you almost have to do, like, in some jujitsu sense, is, like, we've got to try to take that energy and turn it into a better...
02:20:01.000But you're not going to stop the technology from existing.
02:20:05.000So we have to find a way to try to mitigate some of these bad qualities of people getting addicted to the likes and the feedback and the algorithm playing toward that.
02:20:16.000But the thing that I didn't like in that movie, if I'm remembering correctly, because it was a while ago that I saw it, I liked the documentary a lot.
02:21:15.000There's a meme of all the shit that Alex got right, and it's kind of crazy.
02:21:22.000I'm going to send it to you here, Jamie.
02:21:23.000Again, not to say he hasn't gotten some things wrong, too, but how about the war in Iraq?
02:21:29.000Like, I'm sorry, that's still a bigger deal than anything else that, you know, CNN and the New York Times has absolutely no right to look down their nose at Alex Jones.
02:21:37.000You got the war in Iraq wrong, and he got it right.
02:21:40.000There's a million dead people over that.
02:23:43.000Kirsten Matthews, a fellow for science and technology at Rice University Baker Institute.
02:23:48.000I think the public is going to be concerned, and I am as well, that we're kind of just pushing forward with science without having a proper conversation about what we should or should not do.
02:23:57.000Still, the scientists who conducted the research and some other bioethics, bioethicists, Defended the experiment.
02:24:07.000This is one of the major problems in medicine.
02:24:09.000Organ transplantation, said Juan Carlos Espuya Belmonte, a professor at the Gene Expression Laboratory of the Salk Institute for Biological Sciences in La Jolla, California, and co-author of the cell study.
02:24:25.000The demand for that is much higher than the supply.
02:24:28.000I don't see this type of research being ethically problematic.
02:24:44.000It's aimed at lofty humanitarian goals.
02:24:47.000All right, so it's about organ transplantation.
02:24:49.000So they're trying to make part monkey, part human organ.
02:24:53.000So they're going to make chimps that grow organs.
02:24:57.000It still feels like this is the first scene in a really bad movie.
02:25:38.000We were talking about social media, and we were talking about this weird place where we're at now where people are just calling people racist and sexist and homophobic and whatever, and these low-status people that are locking on to this woke ideology and using it as a weapon.
02:25:53.000That's what you see when you see these Antifa kids in the street screaming at people at the taqueria to get the fuck out of New York.
02:26:34.000But you do realize to some degree it's like, man, how much has, to speak like a leftist in a sense, how much has our system failed these kids?
02:26:44.000That they find themselves in this position.
02:26:47.000Well, I think they have power that they're abusing.
02:26:51.000I agree, but I'm just saying that it's like, look, man, these are kids who came up in a culture where...
02:26:59.000There was not a strong culture of families and values where they were kind of – many of them were drugged from – put on any of these psychometric drugs, psychotropic, I should say, drugs from a young age.
02:27:15.000They've been propagandized in their university system, in their universities that they went to and probably spent themselves $100,000 into debt.
02:27:44.000In some ways, in some collective sense, all of us have failed these kids.
02:27:49.000And they are taking advantage of this weird moment in time where people are recognizing that police brutality, which has existed forever, has these horrific effects on our culture.
02:27:59.000And then even though the fucking verdict was correct, right?
02:28:02.000Even though this guy gets convicted of all charges and everybody's kind of relieved that justice is served, they're still like, fuck you white people, get the fuck out of New York.
02:28:13.000So they were all geared up for rioting and when the right verdict came down, they just took advantage of this weird vulnerability these people have because there's this strange moment and they have a megaphone and they're abusing power.
02:28:27.000The power that was bestowed upon them by the moment in time.
02:28:29.000And then they jump on the other cop Which is an example of a clear, justified shooting.
02:30:30.000We get so obsessed with the racial aspect of it that no one's actually focusing on the policy aspect of it.
02:30:36.000Like we were saying before, what policy could you actually change that will make less of these happen?
02:30:42.000But if you really wanted to fuck over the movement for police accountability, here's what you'd do.
02:30:48.000When you actually get justice for that guy, start fucking jumping on tables and screaming at regular people who had nothing to do with it.
02:30:55.000That'll make you look like an asshole.
02:30:57.000Well, like what they did when the riots were going on in New York, when they were looting fucking Saks Fifth Avenue and smashing windows and all that stuff.
02:31:04.000That had nothing to do with any of it.
02:31:17.000Or they're going to move out of New York and move to Florida where they don't tolerate that shit and they actually pass anti-riot legislation.
02:31:48.000It's hard to get context and to understand, you know, what a person is really thinking and feeling.
02:31:53.000What I'm thinking is that we are at an adolescent stage of this kind of technology and the way it's going to interface with our lives.
02:32:04.000And that, like a lot of these things that are being proposed, like Elon Musk's Neuralink, Elon Musk told me, he said, you're going to be able to talk without using words.
02:32:21.000Well, no, I just mean it's the way that would change the fundamental human experience.
02:32:26.000I think it's going to change because you're going to understand intent.
02:32:30.000I think we're going to get to a point where we can get past the limitations of text-based language, like text being written out in a way where you can interpret it any way you want.
02:32:40.000There's one of the things that happens on Twitter where someone will say something and then people will ask them to defend what they said by interpreting what they said in a wildly disproportionate way.
02:32:51.000Like, they'll say, what you are doing is disregarding, you know, people of color who do this, or women, or gays, or trans, or you're putting, you know, non-binary people at risk, and like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!
02:33:49.000I think that in the grand scheme of things, we're still in the infancy of this kind of technological revolution.
02:33:55.000And I don't believe that anything is predetermined.
02:33:59.000So I think that it could go in a really bad way that's bad for humanity, or it could go in a really beautiful way that's better than anything we could imagine.
02:34:07.000And like I was saying with the COVID passport things, There are people who want to turn us into a state, you know, straight-up fascist authoritarian Chinese social credit model.
02:34:16.000And then there are other people who want to do really beautiful shit and, you know, use the technology to fucking educate more people and spread good ideas and all of this other stuff.
02:34:24.000When you're talking about the stuff you're talking about there that Elon Musk is talking about, it's really, really hard to possibly predict where all of that could go.
02:34:47.000I think we got a couple hundred years at most, and I think a couple hundred years from now, there'll be people in caves, hanging out, holding out, still cooking meat over fire, longing for the old days.
02:36:02.000And one of the ways they did it is by going through literally thousands and thousands of games and then postulating and figuring it out and calculating and putting all this data together and then figuring out how to kick everybody's ass.
02:36:37.000I got an email from someone who, I mean, I have to look into this more, but he said that he played that for his dad, I think, who's in a Jimi Hendrix cover band.
02:36:45.000He's like, I got some rough news for you.
02:37:43.000Amy Winehouse song and a virtual Hendrix song.
02:37:46.000And the Hendrix song was pretty fucking good.
02:37:47.000So when you say created a virtual song, meaning not did one of their actual songs, but created something that they would make with their tendencies of how to play music?
02:38:52.000Like, if they can write jokes, if they could write philosophy, then you're like, oh shit, there could be a computer program someday that figures out the meaning of life or something in a better way than we could ever figure it out.
02:39:05.000Now, in particular, if you think about how many—like, there's a program that someone created, and they used my voice because there's so many hours of my voice.
02:39:16.000And they show that they can have me say anything, things I've never said before.
02:39:22.000That's a great excuse for whenever they find something problematic that you've said.
02:40:30.000But my thought was, what I was saying was like, If they can do that with just the hours and hours of conversations that I've had on podcasts, right?
02:40:38.000And then they can do that with Tom Cruise's face with all the images they have and all the hours they have of him talking.
02:40:43.000If they can just analyze the hundreds of years of human conversations, the words that people have written down, the conversations that people have that have been recorded, and get a sense of what it means to be a person.
02:40:58.000Get a real nuanced sense in a way that a human being could never do because they can literally store and calculate through terabytes and terabytes of data.
02:41:07.000They can put together an idea of what it means to be an actualized, intelligent, enlightened human being and literally create some artificial leader, like some person, some artificial virtual person That is better than anybody that exists because they have all the knowledge and they can find all the logical fallacies.
02:41:31.000What is it like after all of that they just come back with Biden?
02:41:54.000Dude, he does these things that he does that there's nothing...
02:41:57.000You can make fun of a lot of different presidents, but Joe Biden does this thing that I've never seen another president do, where he gets tripped up and then gives up mid-thought.
02:42:15.000But a grandpa who's really pretending to keep it together.
02:42:18.000Have you ever seen, there's a video of Clarence Thomas talking about Joe Biden back when Clarence Thomas was being interviewed when he was getting on the Supreme Court.
02:43:53.000And even before 94, Joe Biden, when Ronald Reagan was ramping up the war on drugs, Joe Biden partnered with Strom Thurmond, the actual segregationist, to challenge Ronald Reagan from the right to say that he's too soft This ramp up of the war on drugs isn't enough.
02:44:15.000And you've got to be locking more of these criminals up.
02:44:17.000He bragged at one point that he wanted to give people life in jail for everything short of jaywalking.
02:44:23.000That was like a line like that or something he said.
02:44:26.000It was all the way leading up to the 94 crime bill, which he co-authored.
02:44:36.000And then for him to now partner up with a prosecutor from California who was throwing people in jail for pot, and for them to be like, you know, we really need to think about systemic racism.
02:44:52.000And of course, on top of that, he was also one of the biggest champions of the war in Iraq.
02:44:56.000And not only championed and voted for the war in Iraq, but went out and called out everybody who didn't vote for the war in Iraq as like, you're allowing another 9-11 to happen.
02:45:08.000Because Saddam is weapons of mass destruction and all the neocon talking points of the mushroom cloud in New York City, all that stuff.
02:45:17.000He pushed all of the worst policies that everyone was reacting against for the last decade.
02:45:25.000But it's amazing that they couldn't find anybody better.
02:45:28.000Like, that was the guy that seemed to be the person that they could get through the easiest.
02:45:35.000The guy who was the guy who was rallying up a whole bunch of people, had a serious fucking plan, and had a whole lot of left-wing populist support, was deemed unacceptable.
02:46:00.000Well, he was focusing, look, like I was saying before, all that stuff where JPMorgan Chase is like, oh yeah, let's focus on diversity training and all this.
02:46:08.000Bernie Sanders had an economic leftist populist message that was like, no, no, no, I want to focus on billionaires.
02:46:14.000I don't think billionaires should exist.
02:46:16.000And they were like, no, we're not letting this guy up.
02:46:20.000And they circled the wagons and they got him.
02:46:24.000They did it the first time and then they did it again in 2020. And so it was like, who's left?
02:46:53.000And just an incredible campaign to run.
02:46:57.000I mean, look, there were mistakes made, I think, in the campaign, and I think she could have said things a little bit different at times, but the fact that you had an active-duty military member, somebody who actually served, and not just like...
02:48:09.000So you vote for a war, you send some, you know, brave young woman over there to watch her brothers and sisters die, have to deal with that, like in a medical unit in Iraq, literally holding people as they breathe their last, you know, gasp their last breath, and then she comes back?
02:48:25.000You should be dropping down to your knees and apologizing to that person.
02:48:58.000I mean, she's a threat to the establishment.
02:49:00.000Like I said, the military-industrial complex is a big honeypot.
02:49:03.000And she's saying, we've got to roll back that honeypot.
02:49:06.000There's a whole lot of people who make a lot of money off of that.
02:49:08.000And they're also comfortable with people dying.
02:49:11.000What's crazy is that this kind of conversation is so rare.
02:49:16.000This kind of conversation where people are openly discussing the problems with the way these things are handled, the problems with the way the media displays the reality of these people that are running for governor—people that are running for government,
02:49:33.000rather—people that are running for president and who they really are.
02:49:59.000That these are the people that you've chosen, then ignore everything negative about them, push everything positive about them, and then you have collusion with all of the media.
02:50:07.000Well, particularly this time around, and I thought that Glenn Greenwald, when he was on your show, did a really great job of breaking this all down, but it's that there was a very conscious decision made by pretty much the entire corporate press that they were going to get Donald Trump out.
02:51:16.000Like, really, you know, shining a light on powerful people's corruption.
02:51:20.000Like, that's what real journalism is supposed to be.
02:51:23.000But look, there's the other thing that's interesting about all the woke stuff, right, is that it's almost, to me, it's like a corporate plot, a corporate takeover of a left-wing cause But at the point now, it doesn't even resemble anything left-wing, and it just gets used against the left-wing,
02:51:39.000So when you control the corporate press and you have big tech and you have all the big platforms, you get to decide what stories are ramped up and what aren't.
02:51:48.000And who gets accused of the woke stuff?
02:51:51.000It turns out to be every good leftist.
02:52:32.000And he's talking about how if you looked back at Rachel Maddow back in the day, in the early days of MSNBC, you would have never imagined her to be a propagandist.
02:52:42.000You thought of her as this really intelligent, whip-smart, you know, gritty leftist who's out there fighting the good fight.
02:52:49.000You could not have imagined her I think?
02:53:09.000They didn't fall for the Trump-Russia bullshit one bit, and they hated Trump.
02:53:15.000But they just know CIA bullshit when they see it.
02:53:18.000And they're like, yeah, okay, the CIA is making this claim with absolutely no evidence to back it up, and all of the evidence that we've been shown completely contradicts this idea.
02:53:26.000Now, I'm not just deciding that's real.
02:53:28.000And yet, pretty much all of MSNBC just went, that's our narrative.
02:53:34.000A pretty big accusation that the sitting president of the United States is colluding with a hostile foreign power to undermine American democracy.
02:53:47.000And some people still believe that COVID has like a 50% death rate.
02:53:51.000If things are repeated, people believe that.
02:53:54.000But the truth is that Donald Trump, who, by the way, personally, I think Donald Trump should be prosecuted for war crimes and spend the rest of his life in prison.
02:54:35.000He was set up by the CIA, the NSA, and the FBI. Let me ask you this, because if you're really considering one day running for president, what do you think it's like?
02:56:36.000The closest we came to an independent guy.
02:56:38.000And that's one of the reasons why Bill Clinton became president and George H.W. Bush didn't win a second term.
02:56:43.000It's because Ross Perot resonated with people.
02:56:45.000When he went on, I think it was NBC, he got a half an hour of television time and had charts and graphs and shows how you're getting fucked.
02:57:11.000Look, what Ross Perot did was he also made them clamp down on the system.
02:57:15.000Like, they really made it harder for third parties to run after Ross Perot because he scared them like this guy could actually win.
02:57:21.000Yeah, he fucked him out of the debates.
02:57:22.000I think, to me, I think the role of whoever runs for president on the Libertarian Party, what it's about is...
02:57:30.000It's about not just spreading a message and introducing more people to the ideas of libertarianism and trying to convince people that this is the way to go, but I think what the Libertarian Party could really do with a presidential nominee is to set the agenda for what the Democrats and Republicans have to talk about now.
02:57:48.000Like, you guys might want to talk about this, but guess what?
02:57:51.000We're talking about this because we're just going to keep beating this drum and make such a compelling argument that if you're not talking about this, enough of the American people are going to realize, like, hey, how come you're not talking about this?
02:58:00.000But the question is, even if they're talking about it, once they get into office, like you're seeing with Biden, things don't change.
02:58:06.000There has to be, like, what you need is a huge movement of people just simply demanding we're not taking this anymore.
02:58:16.000Because just like we said before, when they poke out about the war in Syria or regulating the internet and there's enough resistance, they don't do it.
02:58:22.000So what you need is enough people to just be focused.
02:58:26.000Just, again, it doesn't have to be everything perfect, but, like, five issues, like, we are not fighting another stupid war, period.
03:00:03.000I mean, that'd be cool if that was there at the end, too, but just like a good happy ending for...
03:00:07.000Well, it'd be nice if things turned around, right?
03:00:10.000You know, you go back to World War II and you see how everything kind of turned around afterwards and the world got to be, you know, got to be a better place.
03:00:17.000Better than during World War II. Yeah, yeah.
03:00:58.000And this moment, though, one of the good things, there's very few good things about COVID, but one good thing is a lot of bad comedians quit.
03:01:57.000But it's like, you know, there's going to be puzzles and problems, and you've got to figure out how to solve those.
03:02:02.000And when you look at your life, one of the more exciting things about life is when you don't know what's going to happen next, and you're really in this complete state of...
03:02:14.000You're at the launching pad, and it's frustrating, and it's scary, and it's really nerve-wracking for comics when you're first starting out.
03:02:26.000There's different points where you're more vulnerable than other points, and to face a huge amount of adversity at your most vulnerable point is, I think, a lot worse than when you're a little bit stronger and ready to deal with it.
03:03:08.000I've also, I'm married and I have a kid, so I'm kind of like, it was easier than like in my 20s where I would have been more isolated and cut off.
03:03:15.000And so I'm lucky in a sense that for me personally, it was very easy for me to weather, personally, you know, the storm of like, oh, okay, the lockdown and stuff like this.
03:03:24.000You also have a podcast and you have other sources of income.
03:03:26.000Well, that's the big one, that I could uninterruptedly keep making money.
03:03:30.000But I mean, can you imagine like, you know, imagine like somebody who's just like has three kids And just loses your job over this.
03:03:39.000I mean, I don't know what it's like to be in that situation.
03:04:24.000But in terms of which narrative is more helpful and useful, there's no question that this one is just death and this one can really help you get through something.
03:04:34.000So no matter what, even if there's truth in both, it is always better to have the outlook that you're going to conquer this thing and no matter what's thrown at you, you're going to get past this.
03:04:45.000And to have the outlook of, like, I'm a victim.
03:04:47.000It's hard to cultivate that attitude, though.
03:04:49.000It's not something you can just do in a vacuum.
03:04:57.000I remember I had a real problem with that for a while when I was, like, younger in comedy.
03:05:04.000I've been doing comedy for seven, eight years or something, and I get very jealous of other people who were getting things that I wasn't getting, and I really drive myself crazy thinking about this.
03:05:13.000And then I remember having a moment where a really good friend of mine got a big thing, and I was like, damn it, he got that!
03:05:19.000And I almost caught myself and was like, Oh man, I do not want to be this person.
03:05:24.000I'm like the person now who's like not happy for someone I love for getting something good.
03:05:29.000And I really, I had to make such a conscious effort and it was really, really hard for me to just be like, I am simply not allowing myself to do that.
03:05:37.000I am just going to be happy and inspired by other people who are getting things, and I'm going to put all of that energy into trying to get what I want out of this career.
03:05:45.000It's such an important thing to talk about because every single comic feels that.
03:05:50.000They all feel that because it's such a competitive thing in that you're trying to get ahead.
03:05:55.000Especially if you're trying to get on television and do other things outside of comedy and get chosen for things, or get chosen for specials, things along those lines.
03:06:06.000I experienced it really early on, and I caught myself one time because I was only like 21 or 22. I'd only been doing comedy a couple years, but I remember wanting people who went on before me to bomb.
03:06:20.000And I remember feeling that, like, oh my god, what a bitch I am.
03:06:23.000I'm scared that they're going to do well.
03:06:24.000And it was really, I wasn't very good.
03:07:59.000I remember the early days of the comedy store, some guys started getting TV shows and things, and you could see the anger and the jealousy of the other people.
03:10:51.000Well, dude, that means the fucking world to me, man.
03:10:53.000Cause I've, I've been a huge fan of yours like forever, dude.
03:10:56.000And like, I've, I've told you this before off podcast, but you're like, not just your whole podcast, but talking monkeys in space literally like had a profound impact on my standup career.
03:11:07.000Like I was, I had just started when that special came out and I remember looking at it and being like, wow, so you can really do Anything.
03:11:43.000You had some agent and they were like, so you're going to act or you're going to write?
03:11:46.000And you'd have been like, I'm going to kind of be like an MMA commentator, stand-up comedian who does a TV show but I'm the network and I'll talk to like a physicist and then we'll talk about politics and then we'll talk about hunting and then we'll talk about this and they'd be like...