Joe Rogan is joined by his good friend Anthony Cumia on this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience. The guys talk about drinking in your 20s, how to get over a hangover, and what it's like to be a comedian in your 30s and 40s. They also talk about what it s like to do stand-up comedy and drink beer in your 40s and how to deal with the effects of alcohol on your body and mind. Joe also talks about his love of the NFL and his love for the New England Patriots. They also discuss why he decided to leave his job as a radio host and become a full-time comedian, and why he thinks it s a good idea to do what he does in his spare time. Joe and Anthony also discuss what it was like growing up in the late 80s and early 90s in New York City and how they got their start in comedy and drinking in their late 20s. Joe also discusses how he got his start as a standup comedian and why it s so important to have a good night out with friends and family. And of course, they talk about his favorite beer, foosball. Cheers, Cheers! Joe Rogans Experience. (Music: "Old Town Road" by Fountains of Wayne) Music: "Goodbye Outer Space" by Skating With Myself (feat. Jeffree Stars) by Jeffree Starretta (Blame It On Me) by Ferg & Co. by The Vines (Feat. and The Goodfellas is outtrops (ft. ) and "I'm Too Effing Goodbyes (Ferg & The Goodbye" by The Goodyear Blues (Fern & The Badbye) by The Baddeck (The Goodyear Way) (Solo) by & in honor of the Goodyear Girl (Fever & The Queen (Frisco & the Badbyes by The Good Life by Mr. John) and The Badger (Fergusons Come On Down by Cheers on ) by . (The Badger and , - The Good Morning by Jay & The Great Lady by Billie & The Girl ( ) ( ) and This Is My Life ( ) by The Cheers ( )
00:00:32.000To be part of the cycle that you went through in your head to build this empire that you now have, I'm honored.
00:00:42.000It's 100% true, and it's not just that, it's also you when you were doing Live from the Compound, when you were doing it from your house, in the basement, with a machine gun singing karaoke, with a green screen behind you.
00:02:47.000And it's funny, if you got a girl in the house, you have to, you think you're being quiet, but there's no being quiet when you're, especially that dry heat sound, that...
00:02:59.000Into an echo chamber, a porcelain echo.
00:03:02.000It's like the old Victrola speaker is just pumping out your groans.
00:03:07.000So we were talking before this podcast started that you, when you left Opie and Anthony, you went and decided to do your own thing behind a paywall.
00:03:16.000So you're like in this position, you're sort of uncancellable.
00:03:21.000You don't have all the trappings That everybody else has in terms of like sponsors and people coming after you.
00:03:30.000Yeah, this was a conscious decision because I saw it coming a while ago, the what they call cancel culture thing.
00:03:39.000When you guys get hit with it, First, out of all the people that I've ever heard of, because when you guys had that homeless person on who said he wanted to, what did he say, he wanted to rape Condoleezza Rice?
00:03:49.000Condoleezza Rice and the Queen of England and the First Lady.
00:03:52.000I gotta say something about that, though.
00:03:55.000We had just gotten to satellite radio from FM radio, and to us, this was like, all right, it opens up a whole new world of what we can do.
00:04:53.000You didn't get fired, but you guys got suspended for how long?
00:04:57.000We got suspended for, I think it was a month.
00:05:00.000I think that was a month's suspension from satellite radio, but we were still at K-Rock in New York doing that show in the morning, because we used to do both.
00:05:10.000Yeah, we used to go across with the microphones.
00:05:14.000We would do terrestrial, and then we would broadcast live as we were walking down New York City with mics and comics, and we would go to the other studios.
00:05:22.000Yeah, we would do things occasionally, like Rich Voss would go into a diner or something and just start doing stand-up in front of the customers.
00:05:54.000But it was a bunch of guys that you find funny, you like hanging out with, talking about anything.
00:06:00.000And that seems to be what the formula is.
00:06:03.000You guys figured it out first because every other radio show that I did, like if I did Stern or anything else you did, it was very formatted.
00:06:12.000Like, he had some things you want to talk, he wanted to talk to me about Fear Factor, he wanted to talk to me about the UFC, he had questions about this, and, you know, it's always like, and then you have a call in, and then you have celebrity guests, and he had it all, like, very smooth.
00:06:28.000You guys would just bring a bunch of people in, and then Patrice would start talking, and Burr would start talking, and Ari would start talking, and it was just chaos.
00:06:40.000When you have a room of those guys, Nick DiPaolo and Patrice, God rest his soul, and Bill Burr, Norton, all these guys, Colin Quinn, they're all in a room.
00:08:02.000And you guys were so great at letting the comics just go wild and not put any restrictions on anybody and not try to control the conversation.
00:09:32.000And my impression was always, if I didn't know the alloy of the metal in the transmitter antenna, there's no way you're getting into radio.
00:09:40.000Like, I thought you had to know all the shit that they taught you in radio school.
00:09:44.000And the fact of the matter was, these jocks were constantly looking for somebody that was entertaining.
00:09:51.000I never realized how desperate a lot of these jocks are for somebody that could make people laugh.
00:10:26.000It's like, there's a lot of men out there, but there's not a lot of entertainment that's geared towards men.
00:10:31.000And one of the things that comes up on my podcast when the advertising people get to talk and they're like, Jesus Christ, he's got like 94% men.
00:11:13.000I don't know where this idea came from that in the past even couple of decades, which relative to a tortoise or a mayfly, it varies how long a period of time that is.
00:11:28.000In that period of time, we as humans were supposed to have physically and mentally evolved to this point where men don't still want to talk about tits and cars and lifestyle stuff and bash each other guns, of course.
00:11:44.000I think there are people that actually think we have evolved out of that.
00:11:53.000Because there's a lot of men that are henpecked and they work in some terrible job where human resources is breathing down their neck and they have neutered themselves and they put themselves in this position of like this sort of like non-man.
00:12:19.000It's also equated somehow or another with cruelty, with being a bad person, with being a shitty person, just by joking around or talking about the things that we like to talk about.
00:12:32.000Yeah, I hear punching down a lot is a bad thing.
00:12:56.000I think for what Howard did for the shock jock genre in radio, we kind of were right at that precipice of radio and podcast when that happened.
00:13:09.000And I think what we were doing was better suited to a podcast than it was a radio show.
00:13:32.000It got to a point where early on, even when I got in, which was, again, late in the game, but early on in the 80s and 90s, all they gave a shit about were ratings.
00:13:44.000If you had ratings and you did something stupid, you'd get this...
00:13:49.000Slap on the wrist in public and behind the door with the GM and the PD and all the other management people, they'd be like, oh my god, that was great.
00:14:06.000And it turned into they really did get mad.
00:14:10.000And they really started suspending you without pay and firing you.
00:14:15.000And these were these suits, like you say, That just didn't understand the talent end of the business anymore.
00:14:21.000And when radio stations were owned by mom-and-pop operations, we were at WAF up in Massachusetts, and it was owned by Zappos Communications.
00:14:44.000And CBS has affiliates, and they also deal in laundry detergent with this subsidiary, and you say something, and baby diapers don't sell.
00:14:55.000That's when it got really fucked up, and personalities weren't able to do what they do anymore, because now you're fucking up their sales in the burger industry.
00:15:06.000Zappus owned a fucking radio station, and he loved when his radio station got ratings.
00:15:26.000One of the best things that happened with this podcast, like in this weird journey from doing it in my spare bedroom to doing it in a weird studio to all the way to Spotify is...
00:17:46.000When I see a video, if I see someone sends me a video, and I see Alex Jones peeking out of the top of that armored vehicle with a bullhorn, I'm like...
00:18:26.000To put things out there, a preemptive strike of an idea or an opinion or a theory, so that when someone says it, people already go, oh, no, I heard that's bullshit already.
00:19:55.000He understands what gain-of-function research actually is, and he knows who the players involved are.
00:20:00.000He knows the different organizations that are involved.
00:20:04.000Yeah, there are a few of these politicians that really do either they are so good at bullshitting the public or there's a few that really do seem to be behind the people and what they need and what they want and know how to talk about it.
00:20:20.000I know one of the one of the rising stars and he's been in the business for years is Ted Cruz here in Texas.
00:20:27.000Ted has come out after the Trump thing from going from this guy that people went, ah, Ted Cruz.
00:20:50.000Because he got busted going to Cancun, and he said, I wasn't really going to Cancun, and I was just going to come right back, but it turned out his ticket was for five days later, and he's like, well, I'm back.
00:21:01.000But meanwhile, you can be good sometimes.
00:21:07.000You can be right about a lot of things, and I think that's what he is.
00:23:17.000A bunch of different security cameras.
00:23:19.000And you'd think, like, these aren't good people that you look at the picture and go, oh, I know who that is, but I'm going to keep it cool.
00:23:26.000Like, people are like, oh, yeah, I'm turning this guy in.
00:24:27.000And even when he talked about opening up Florida and everybody was criticizing him, he did it on a chart and he showed, we're going to protect our vulnerable.
00:24:35.000And he says it calm and it's like an even keel when he has a conversation.
00:25:52.000No one that goes to a gym is in the dangerous demo.
00:25:57.000And if you are, you're trying to get out of that demo.
00:26:00.000You're in the gym because you're trying to get out of the obesity demo.
00:26:04.000Doesn't anyone see, when you think of the beginning of this whole thing and it was the flatten the curve thing, the flatten the curve thing was completely based on, hey, we know everyone's eventually going to get this.
00:26:17.000We just need to spread out the time of everyone getting it so we don't get overwhelmed with emergency care and the hospitals and ventilators and whatnot.
00:26:31.000But when did it turn into, well, no, now we're on the no one can ever get it, ever, ever, and we need to keep you from touching each other or being in a sports complex or eating dinner.
00:26:41.000That was never supposed to be part of it.
00:26:44.000We were supposed to get this as healthy people getting a flu.
00:26:49.000Protect the elderly, protect the pre-existing conditions, people with asthma or other problems.
00:26:57.000When did it turn into, hey, you want to see a Yankee game?
00:27:01.000Well, you got to have your phone with a code on it now.
00:27:17.000He needed to put his info into a government site to pop a code up on his phone to To give to someone with his results, his medical results, to some guy standing in front of Yankee Stadium, taking his temperature, clicking that, and then he goes,
00:27:33.000and social distancing, and wearing a mask, and then they show him in the seats, and he goes, and you're in!
00:28:56.000Because if you alter it a little bit, then it leaves wiggle room to continue moving it left and right, depending on who's in power.
00:29:05.000It can go really far left or really far right because it turns out it's not really about what's right or what's wrong.
00:29:11.000It's about who is in power and what they believe and what ideology they're supporting.
00:29:17.000That's what you're seeing right now with these social media platforms that have this ability to just decide what the narrative is and block people from doing things.
00:30:38.000What he was saying, though, where it gets disturbing, he was saying that the reason why this is so controversial is because you can't fund vaccines when there's an effective treatment.
00:30:55.000I think more likely there's people that are in social media that are doing these, that are in charge of what they censor and not censor.
00:31:04.000They think they're doing the right thing.
00:31:05.000In their eyes, they're stopping people from promoting harmful propaganda and misinformation.
00:31:12.000But isn't that, you know, you could go back to the classic, there were a lot of people that thought they were doing the right thing in history.
00:31:23.000My chick actually turned me on to Jordan Peterson.
00:31:26.000And I watch him now, and I just, I kind of feel bad for him.
00:31:32.000He seems so, like, beaten down at this point.
00:31:36.000And I know about his medical problems and addictions and stuff, but you watch a video from three years ago, and this guy had a lot more pep and sounded better.
00:32:19.000So he had a really hard time of it physically, to the point where he and I talked about him doing the show again, and I said, I really want to do it in person.
00:32:29.000Let me know when you can do it in person.
00:32:30.000He's like, I just can't deal with travel right now.
00:32:33.000I'm not physically capable to travel yet.
00:32:36.000Dude, I had to go to rehab for a crime that I committed, so they said.
00:32:43.000You know Vinnie Brand from The Stress Factory?
00:32:46.000I was going out with his daughter for a while, Danny Brand, and she was just, if anyone could push your buttons, it was fucking Danny Brand.
00:33:11.000You could talk to every single girlfriend I've ever had since I was 13 years old, and every girlfriend I've had since that episode.
00:33:21.000None of them will say I'm a physical person when I get into an argument with anybody.
00:33:28.000This fight was like throwing and breaking each other's phones and yelling and she's videoing it live so it's streaming and I'm drunk and it was just bad all over.
00:35:57.000And now I could go, huh, should I spend tens of thousands, if not hundred thousand dollars, defending myself where a jury could just go, I don't like this guy, and give me the big charge?
00:38:07.000He details how this all happened, how it got started.
00:38:10.000And it's a business model, and that's what's profitable now.
00:38:15.000And particularly because the internet is all about short attention span, the cycle of interesting things, the news goes in and out so quickly.
00:38:23.000You've got to captivate people as quickly as possible, and the best way to do that is the most sensational version of something possible.
00:38:30.000And that's how you sell ads, and that's how you do this, and that's how you do that.
00:38:33.000But when you realize that fear is part of it, like fear is a great thing.
00:38:38.000People want to know if something's going to kill them or hurt them or their family or their dog.
00:38:44.000So if you present this horrible scenario, people are going to watch and then they're going to yap about it and the sponsors will go, oh, a lot of people tuned into this.
00:39:41.000I had gone into it with the intention of veering off to something else, and I got tracked on that, and it just stuck in my head, and now it's gone.
00:40:01.000It is a scary prospect, but it's no more scary than the difference between what it used to be when you left your house and no one knew where you were to now you have a tag in your backpack and your mom can track you every step of the way.
00:41:32.000There's always something wrong with you.
00:41:34.000If you're going after people for things like that, unless someone's like doing something, like someone's ripping you off and you want to inform people, hey, I'm getting fucked over and this could happen to you.
00:41:59.000He's a great guitarist and does gigs all over the place.
00:42:02.000And because he's my brother, some of these people decided to just fuck with him and call some of these venues and say that he's this terrible person.
00:43:12.000It's so easy to just not care about another name and a picture and a few dozen words, but when you have to face someone face-to-face, that's why you never see these people at a bar.
00:43:26.000No one walks up to me and goes, hey, I'm Hey, would you blow me 4262, you asshole?
00:43:32.000They never approach you in a real place.
00:47:09.000You're a bunch of stuff connected to a consciousness that's connected to an ego and that ego exists to make sure that you keep breeding and perpetrating your DNA. Yeah, it's all biological and keeping the species going.
00:48:28.000Yeah, like wanting to solve puzzles and dramas and dealing with problems in your life and threats gets replaced by an action film, you know, where you're the hero.
00:48:40.000You pretend you're Jason Bourne and you're kicking ass and saving the village.
00:48:59.000And then you can't wait to do it again, because it's on tap 24-7.
00:49:03.000It's like you're living like Caligula.
00:49:05.000You're living like some madman, some Salt-N-Bernay type character with a harem of 100 women that are paid to just sit around and wait for you to fuck them.
00:49:14.000Dude, I gotta tell you, the testosterone shots.
00:50:38.000Now, I... You don't notice because it's like over the years, the testosterone level and those interests that you had in your libido and all that, it gets turned on like a dimmer.
00:52:41.000And when I was growing up, When I was in my teens looking to get laid, if a girl took her big fucking granny panties down back then, and I saw a shaved But I would have lost my mind.
00:52:56.000I'd been like, what am I, with a porn star?
00:54:05.000Especially back then it was so awkward and you didn't just now you could literally just go okay lose the clothes we'll fucking hop in the sack and do something but back then it was this weird can I get this right you never knew when she was gonna say stop right so you had it the shirt had to come off you had to put your hand under the shirt and then that and then the bra and then down the pants and you had to be careful when you were undoing the bra strap it had to be smooth because if you were fumbling too long It might stop you.
00:57:32.000I went from being this kid that was living in San Francisco, and then I was living in a college town in Florida, and then all of a sudden, Jamaica Plain.
00:57:42.000And Jamaica Plain in 78, I guess, when I got there, 79, was fucking sketchy.
01:00:50.000Well, you gotta make sure you have cowboy boots on, too.
01:00:52.000A lot of people don't know cowboy boots are designed to slip on and off because your feet get stuck in the stirrups, and if the horse goes crazy, the boots just slip off, and then you fall out, and you're okay.
01:01:44.000And she was known around the ranch for being a little loose.
01:01:51.000So my dad, I think my dad noticed I was making a lot of bathroom trips at that point because I had just discovered the fact that you could jack off and do fun things like that.
01:04:05.000I got into bed with her and she starts like rubbing her hands and she goes to slide her hand down to my dick and she's like, could you take your underwear off?
01:07:33.000The only thing I have any recollection of her is right when we walked in the door, once a year for a holiday, She was in a chair in the corner.
01:08:01.000And you know what's really fucked up about the whole testosterone replacement thing is there's a lot of people that get mad that you're doing it.
01:09:02.000There was a university in Israel that did a study that they did 60 hyperbaric treatments over 90 days, and it turned out that it lengthened your telomeres, which is an indication of your biological age, by 20 years.
01:09:16.000So it reduced your biological age by 20 years.
01:12:49.000Yeah, Seth Rogen kind of turned his back on his buddy there who's having these sexual harassment at the very least, maybe rape allegations against him.
01:15:39.000You think there are phone calls that go back and forth and go, dude, I'm going to have to, don't pay attention to it, I love you, but I'm really going to have to call you a piece of shit.
01:15:50.000Just to get this gig, I need this gig.
01:15:53.000Well, Anthony, this is one of the main reasons why there's a problem with certain people that do stand-up in places like LA in particular, because you have to get chosen for TV shows and chosen for films.
01:16:08.000You also have to be selected amongst a bunch of other people that are also equally qualified.
01:16:13.000And unless you're one of these Tom Cruise motherfuckers who can just blockbuster every fucking movie, you're in a weird position.
01:16:19.000You're in a weird position where your business can get tanked if you get connected, whether it's fair or unfair, with someone who's a problem or with something that's a problem.
01:16:28.000So they're all terrified and they're all liberal.
01:16:31.000And I don't even know if they are all liberal.
01:16:33.000But they all pretend to be liberal or present themselves as liberal.
01:16:37.000And they do that specifically as a marketing strategy.
01:19:09.000Bravery and courageousness takes – there's a sacrifice that needs to be made or a potential sacrifice if you're deciding you're going to be brave about something.
01:19:19.000And if you want to speak your mind, regardless of the repercussions, these days that is a brave thing.
01:20:42.000And I think they're getting mad that a lot more, if you want to dub it, I don't even know what labels to put on anymore, so I'll just say right-wing, conservative, Republican.
01:20:51.000They're getting mad that the names and labels and insults aren't really working like they used to.
01:20:57.000To be called a racist now, it's like...
01:21:20.000And then when you look back at the true racism that the civil rights movement We're good to go.
01:21:47.000The difference between now and then is amazing.
01:21:49.000I mean, amazing that we're able to get to this point and still live in relative peace.
01:21:56.000Yeah, but that's what I'm talking about when I'm saying that people are going to be able to read each other's minds and you're going to be able to see intent.
01:22:01.000You're going to be like, oh, you're a psychopath looking for virtue.
01:24:43.000And the things people get in trouble for now have nothing to do with what the FCC deemed to be this horrific thing to put out over the air.
01:24:50.000We got the normal, you know, shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cuck, suck, a motherfucking tit thing.
01:28:07.000When you saw Johnny Carson in the old days and fucking Sinatra would just walk out the curtain and Dino's there and Rickles, they didn't know what the fuck was going to happen.
01:28:18.000And that's what people loved about it.
01:28:21.000And now it's this antiseptic, hey, we're going to see how many eggs you can juggle.
01:28:27.000And, you know, the tough, cutting-edge comedy of goofing on Trump.
01:28:33.000You know, it just – what you're doing here is the equivalent – Of Carson with a new technology.
01:33:46.000Because a lot of people, I think, and the only reason I asked that, I kind of assumed it, is that I think a lot of people wonder that.
01:33:53.000Like, oh, does Joe have to tame some stuff down so he doesn't fuck up his gig?
01:33:57.000There was an issue where someone was talking to Dana about it one time, and he goes, hey, listen, I don't give a fuck what Rogan's talking about as long as he's talking about MMA. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:34:06.000When he talks about MMA, I give a fuck what he says about MMA. And he knows that what I say about...
01:34:11.000If I'm talking about fighters and fights, I'm always very respectful.
01:34:41.000You could tell you're passionate about it.
01:34:43.000There are people that just have a job and they're supposed to be like, yeah, this is great, I'm talking about this, and then they punch out and they're done.
01:34:52.000But you could tell you're passionate about that fucking sport and it comes across every time.
01:34:58.000Dude, I did that gig for free for the first 15 shows.
01:35:16.0002005 is when it really took off because of The Ultimate Fighter.
01:35:18.000That was season one of The Ultimate Fighter.
01:35:20.000So I was on Fear Factor, and Dana and I became friends because he offered me tickets to the fights when they had just bought the UFC. So I would go to these UFC events...
01:41:22.000That's how they get you, whether it's YouTube or – like YouTube in particular, because with YouTube, there's no cost, but you're under their control.
01:42:21.000And then they'll tell you, well, make your own internet.
01:42:25.000It's like, look, motherfucker, I have made...
01:42:29.000Everything I can that is self-sufficient.
01:42:33.000But at some point, it has to leave my hands and go to Fios's fiber optic cables, it's got to go to a server, it's got to use Amazon, it's got to use this.
01:42:44.000And all those are vulnerabilities to people saying, hey, why you got this piece of shit?
01:43:46.000And people got mad because of what he was promoting, but I think part of the problem was that there was an established power base.
01:43:53.000Of, like, liberal thought and left-leaning thought, and they were in control of the tech platforms, and when these guys, like Milo in particular, he was the big one, because he was so charismatic, and he got through, then all of a sudden they were like, Jesus Christ, we got a real problem here.
01:44:09.000We don't agree with this guy, we don't agree with him, and he's out there wilding.
01:44:13.000And they didn't know what to do with him because he was gay, because he was married to a black guy, like, Fuck!
01:44:43.000I've talked to multiple gay friends who have had similar experiences, and this is a small sample size, right?
01:44:52.000I'm talking about six or seven guys, and they've said that in their world, there's comics and other folks, they've said that in that world, that's normal.
01:45:00.000It's normal for a 15-year-old, 16-year-old gay guy to have a relationship with a 35-year-old gay man.
01:46:06.000Because he'd have like young guys, I don't know if they were 18 or whatever they were, but he'd have like a shitload of them in a pool together partying in these photos.
01:47:21.000We do a bit on the show whenever there's a teacher that is having sex with their underage students, and it's like, we don't show the face of the teacher first, and we talk about what happened.
01:49:02.000So now the baby has a bottle, and he's on the dance floor with all these broads, and he's dancing, and they're all hot, and they're hanging around with a fucking baby, and it doesn't make any sense.
01:49:13.000What's the M.O.? My bit was, imagine if it was a small girl, like a three-year-old girl that's driving a car, and she goes to a nightclub.
01:49:24.000They let her in, and everywhere there's dudes with kilts on, swinging cocks.
01:49:29.000You'd be like, you're going straight to jail.
01:49:32.000But that commercial, because there is no sexual equality when it comes to child molesting, that commercial is deemed acceptable, but for some strange reason.
01:50:38.000I've seen the way they make commercials and stuff, and everyone from the company usually sits at a conference room, and they play it, and then it ends, and then they go, okay, so what do you think?
01:50:47.000Like, that room must have just been like...
01:54:28.000Well, you know, they're just trying to tap into this movement that we have today.
01:54:33.000But isn't it like everything else over history?
01:54:36.000The one thing I remember in the 90s was When you watch videos on MTV, and grunge was huge, they had those grunge-looking videos from Nirvana, and it was the shake camera, and the focal point was really narrow,
01:54:54.000so like Kurt would go out and he'd be blurry, and then he'd come back in, in focus, like doing that.
01:55:22.000I wanted to be a librarian the first time I set foot in a library.
01:55:26.000I was always a little different, even at that age.
01:55:29.000And libraries offered a safe, quiet space where I could find tens of thousands of escapes into worlds of fantasy, mystery, and intrigue.
01:55:37.000After finishing college, I entered the workforce as a middle school librarian, where I was able to bring that dream full circle and match my students with the perfect books.
01:55:46.000Now, I get to experience that same type of fulfillment in a very different way here at CIA. I love my job because I have no idea what type of research question is coming through the door next.
01:55:57.000It might be as simple as an HR officer needing to clarify a law, or as complex as an analyst needing to help identify something they saw in a video still.
01:56:06.000There's something incredibly rewarding about knowing you are having a very real impact of potentially global proportions.
01:56:13.000As an agency librarian, I work to ensure that our collection and services are matched up with what CIA needs.
01:56:19.000Not only am I involved in the acquisitions of journals, books, and countless electronic resources, I'm also encouraged to curate special collections that challenge expectations.
01:56:29.000Recently, I brought in our intelligence gaming collection to give officers unique opportunities to practice skills they need in their various roles.
01:56:36.000Instead of sitting for hours in front of a computer-based training, they can play a carefully selected game to train a specific set of skills while simultaneously building on the myriad soft skills essential to intelligence work.
01:56:48.000My favorite thing about CIA is that they encourage the out-of-the-box ideas that drive real progress.
01:58:06.000Like, working somewhere where they're not trying to torture people.
01:58:11.000Maybe they'll just use it to squirrel back some microfilm, if you know what I mean.
01:58:15.000But maybe their strategy is, and this is probably a valid strategy, right?
01:58:20.000The more diverse thinkers you get working in an environment, the more you can solve problems because you've got some out-of-the-box type thinking.
01:58:55.000So a lot of these people, like, you can't have some fucking Club Soda Kenny guy going undercover at a gay rave trying to find out who the ecstasy dealers are, right?
01:59:07.000But could you see if you're like some John Wick type character and this guy's telling you to play fucking a game of trouble with him to learn how to do something?
01:59:15.000It just doesn't jive with what we think...
01:59:28.000Yeah, like they made some job for this guy to say that we have gay people in the CIA. I can't picture the old George H.W. in his prime when he was with the CIA going like, oh, I'm going to play some fucking games with the gay librarian.
01:59:42.000Do you really understand what we're dealing with with the CCP? Do you really understand what's going on there with these internment camps for Uyghur Muslims?
01:59:49.000Do you really understand what's happening in the fucking dark corners of the world where real horrific crimes against humanity are currently being committed?
02:00:15.000And I'm watching a documentary about the CIA in the 60s.
02:00:20.000So 1968, there was a Russian submarine that came apart, some kind of explosion inside, and sank in the Pacific.
02:00:29.000Americans heard the explosions from their – they had sonar for missile tests that they wanted to keep track of for the Russians and Chinese.
02:00:40.000This is neither confirm nor deny, right?
02:01:12.000They built it from scratch under the CIA. And they used Howard Hughes' company because he's this rich guy and they decided the cover story was going to be Howard Hughes is taking this boat out to mine metal at the bottom of 20,000 feet of ocean.
02:01:39.000That picked up the submarine, brought it into the sliding doors, it was like a Bond movie, of the boat, closed it, drained the water, and got everything they needed out of this sub while the Russians were literally watching the boat.
02:01:53.000They never knew that they had fucking done this.
02:01:56.000And I'm like, that's the CIA! They got that through playing Yahtzee with a nose ring.
02:02:18.000They literally had to build a ship that looked like a mining ship but was able to lift the A fucking submarine without anyone seeing it into the bottom of a ship.
02:02:54.000February 1975, investigative reporter and former New York Times writer Seymour Hersh had planned to publish a story on Project Azorian.
02:03:02.000The New York Times' Washington bureau chief at the time said in 2005 that the government offered a convincing argument to delay publication.
02:05:06.000Because it's almost like, because they had to make it through the period in the 70s and 80s with AIDS. So it's almost like you're looking at a nom vet that made it better than that.
02:05:16.000Because you look like, how did you live?
02:06:50.000And he went through this whole thing where he said, no, he found some religion and he really does think that the gay lifestyle is such a bad thing and it's unhealthy.
02:07:02.000So he went through all this stuff and again, who knows, you know?
02:07:07.000Well, who knows what kind of damage has been done to him and to his psyche by being ostracized?
02:07:18.000I said, you know, a lot of times when people make these unbelievable reversals and changes in their lives, it's after this horrific experience where you might be depressed or...
02:10:03.000Brett Weinstein had a thing that he was doing called Unity 2020, where he was trying to take...
02:10:10.000Intelligent, rational voices from the left and the right, and put together a candidate that's sort of like a party, put together two candidates that meet in a rational center.
02:10:24.000And to say, look, there's really reasonable people on the right and really reasonable people on the left, and if we got the two of them together, maybe we can kind of...
02:10:33.000Deal with a lot of the issues that a lot of this country has.
02:10:39.000They banned Unity 2020. Because they felt like- Is that the very essence of- Exactly.
02:10:45.000They felt like promoting a controversial third party was dangerous at this time where it was critical in their eyes that the Democrats take control again.
02:10:58.000And so anything that was against this narrative of re-electing or electing a Democrat and getting Trump out of office, anything that can get in the way of that, like some Ross Perot-type monkey wrench, which is how Bill Clinton got in office.
02:11:59.000All they're saying is, we think it would be better for everybody if we had rational people from both sides meet in the middle and find out what's best for the country.
02:16:35.000If you just tell him, Elon, we really need you to fix this plastic in the ocean problem, like, hmm, plastic in the ocean, how do we get it out?
02:16:41.000And next thing you know, he's fucking figuring that out.
02:16:43.000It's like, we have a problem with too much carbon in the atmosphere.
02:16:47.000Oh, it's sucking out of the atmosphere.
02:17:26.000Yeah, he's one of those guys, one of those one in a million where you had, you know, Da Vinci and Tesla and all these people that advanced, had this...
02:17:38.000You know, we advance as humans, technologically especially, and then we have these jumps.
02:17:44.000And he's one of those people that inspired and was behind one of these big jumps technologically.
02:17:51.000I never thought we'd have a chance of going to Mars.
02:17:56.000Like, it always seemed like, alright, I know about the Apollo program and everything and the limitations of it from growing up.
02:18:02.000I was very interested in the space program as a kid.
02:18:30.000Well, not only that, I forgot about Neuralink.
02:18:32.000When we were talking about reading each other's minds, one of the things he said to me the last podcast we did was like, you're gonna be able to talk without words.
02:18:43.000And that's what he's ultimately thinking, the progression of Neuralink, when he extrapolates, when he takes it from where it is now to what it's eventually going to be with innovation, time, and continued improvements and updates.
02:18:54.000You're going to have the ability to communicate without words.
02:18:58.000This is what I'm getting to where I think, and I don't want it to be that, but I think that that might be our savior.
02:19:05.000That our savior might be something that conveys intent pure instead of like manipulative words and because what we're dealing with a lot today with a lot of problems that we have is people manipulating truth with narrative and words and the way they fuck with the truth That's gonna be eliminated if you can actually see how a person's perceiving and thinking about things and Interesting.
02:19:28.000But wouldn't that take things like people's ability and talent of persuasion away?
02:19:35.000You know, salespeople are very good at what they do because they know how to manipulate.
02:19:40.000Right, but then when you're sitting there with some piece of shit that you shit in a box and some jackass is really smooth, talk to you into buying it, you're like, fuck!
02:19:55.000Well, that's the problem with drug commercials, right?
02:19:57.000When you see those drug commercials, you could be that girl spinning in a field of wheat all happy instead of just shitting your brains out all day.
02:22:36.000This is really important for people, because if you have, and I'm not saying this is going to work for you, but he has pretty bad psoriasis.
02:22:42.000It's been a real issue for Chad most of his life.
02:22:45.000And he got on this carnivore diet, and within like four weeks, his psoriasis radically reduced itself.
02:22:52.000Is there science behind it that you could say it's why?
02:23:17.000So it says here, okay guys, here's a little update to my psoriasis.
02:23:20.000While on the Carnivore Diet, the first picks were taken when I started the diet in March 1st.
02:23:24.000We're almost two months in, and this is what my legs currently look like.
02:23:27.000The crazy thing is, I've been told by two different dermatologists that diet has no effect on psoriasis.
02:23:33.000He says, I feel great and getting lean as well.
02:23:35.000I wonder how I would have felt during my athletic career, anyone else having great success with this.
02:23:41.000I know several people that have had issues with autoimmune diseases, like psoriasis, that have dealt with it through these elimination diets.
02:23:50.000So, whatever it is that you're allergic to, for some people it just might be sugar, it might be grains, who knows what it is, but for him, knocking it all down to one thing where your body only processes one kind of food, which is mostly red meat, cured all that issue with him.
02:24:06.000It's so weird because over the course of the years, we've only heard that that is dangerous.
02:24:20.000The sugar industry bribed scientists in the 1960s to lie and to fuck with their studies to show that it was saturated fat that was causing all these problems with obesity and heart disease instead of sugar.
02:24:36.000So it was literally, and it wasn't even that much of a bribe.
02:24:39.000They bribed these guys, but they gave them like $50,000.
02:24:44.000But this is like from the 1960s, and this was all in the New York Times.
02:24:47.000They were detailing how this had happened, that they lied about fat, which is like, if you are a person that lives in like an indigenous tribe, fat is extremely valuable.
02:24:59.000If you have a subsistence lifestyle- Fat is everything.
02:25:42.000Yeah, it's a real argument that the growth and doubling of the human brain size was directly coordinated with people learning how to cook meat and learning how to eat meat over fire, having more access to proteins, and then also the devious skills involved in hunting and chasing animals,
02:25:59.000that we had to get smarter and more calculated.
02:27:08.000This is the deal that nature has made with animals.
02:27:12.000That's why seeds, when these delicious fruits, are in the center, okay?
02:27:16.000You're eating all this delicious food, and then you get to the seed, and a good percentage of it you shit out, and that is what grows trees.
02:28:05.000I mean, people get addicted to sweets and sugar.
02:28:09.000Because it hijacks your reward system the same way video games hijack your reward system for solving puzzles and going out and dealing things.
02:28:18.000And the same way a fucking action movie hijacks your reward systems for surviving and kicking ass.
02:29:39.000I think it's quite amazing, especially in the United States, but worldwide if you think about it, but United States, that we have the capability of feeding 300 and what?
02:29:59.000We talk about starvation and hunger and stuff.
02:30:02.000But when you think about it, you're never driving down the road and you see a fucking vulture flying over a little kid that starved to death on the side of the road.
02:31:35.000I often thought about what American refugees would look like because you watch refugees from all around the world.
02:31:44.000You know, you got Kurds that have to move north because people are coming in and they're just emaciated and wearing rags and things.
02:31:51.000And like if anything happened, God forbid, where Americans were refugees and had to flee to Canada or Mexico or something, it would be the fattest...
02:35:18.000California just today went into a state of drought.
02:35:22.000There's drought in California, which to me is, I feel for you, my California friends, but it's hilarious because it rains here all the time and everything's so green.
02:36:59.000The horrors I witness in a one block walk, people shitting on the sidewalk, heroin addicts are just hunched over doing that fucking rock thing.
02:37:09.000How much has it changed in the last year?
02:38:03.000So you're destroying these people's lives.
02:38:06.000They're accused of atrocities that rarely happen.
02:38:11.000And it's a shame because people go, well, just go to court and that destroys your life.
02:38:16.000People think court is like an episode of Perry Mason, an hour and you're done.
02:38:20.000Like the idea of getting a lawyer, the time it takes to go to court every day for months, sometimes years, depending on what it is, it destroys your life.
02:38:34.000And again, like I said, they sign on for these dangers that they knew was part of the job.
02:38:40.000But this has just gotten to the point where these cops are going, I ain't leaving the precinct.
02:38:45.000If a call comes in, I'll five mile an hour it and clean up the mess after.
02:38:50.000Why would I bother injecting myself in a situation that I know is like fucking Rathacon Kobayashi Maru?
02:40:27.000If I fucking drove my car out and had to back onto a golden street and every stop sign, a fucking beautiful girl would suck my dick and I would be like, all right, I see why the taxes are so high.
02:42:06.000First of all, it's like, remember pay phones in the old days when the phone would ring when you're done and they go, please deposit 25 cents for the last three minutes.
02:42:53.000Now, it's kind of become a thing that people don't really mind as much.
02:42:58.000Also, I'm keeping a small place up in New York and I'm keeping the studio.
02:43:03.000So if I have a guest that can only make it in New York and it's a good guest that I want, I'll just fly up and do it from the studios up there.
02:43:10.000It's probably a quick flight too, right?
02:46:03.000He got out of rehab, so many rehabs, and he would go right back to the stage and, you know, people are here, fucking take something for you.
02:47:57.000You're around people that are doing drugs and stuff.
02:48:01.000I mean, some of the most successful people that have recovered or in recovery are people that have just cut themselves off from that whole life.
02:48:32.000So you have to think about how to manage your addiction while you're also sustaining yourself through the very thing that you're addicted to.
02:48:40.000Yeah, because with alcohol and drugs, it's one of those things where, well, I just won't do it ever again.
02:53:15.000That green screen is such a great move.
02:53:18.000Yeah, it works because we have so many different shows, is what it is.
02:53:22.000So we're able to put a different background for every show, and that's kind of why I did it.
02:53:27.000Once I go down to South Carolina, they're still going to use the green screen up here, but I'm going to have a regular studio built that has a dedicated background.
02:58:00.000The rose-colored lenses sort of get a little faded when you think about, oh, that happened, and then that one, and when my girlfriend found the Canadian girl in the closet.
02:58:16.000I was going out with—this, of course, is in my book, permanently suspended— I was going out with Jill Nicolini Jill Nicolini was the traffic girl for WPIX in New York I was in love with this girl.
02:58:32.000I watched her on TV. The O&A show, we would do that.
02:58:36.000The studio you were at, the K-Rock, Howard's old studio.
03:02:01.000She left and then she came back later and grabbed all the Canadian girls' clothes and everything, her luggage, threw it in the fire pit and lit it on fire.
03:02:11.000All that was in there were like underwires for bras.