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00:01:35.000It's like we stand for every process along the way celebrating the American worker, celebrating America, and we don't, you know, it's just...
00:01:44.000One thing that is weird is that Uncle Sam doesn't have a face.
00:04:00.000I've been dealing with this to the point where I've been doing a lot of physical therapy- And over the last few weeks, I've been training pretty hard again because the back's been feeling good until this morning.
00:06:05.000Well, I feel like those people, I don't know them exactly, or maybe I'm just not aware I'm friends with them, they'd be the same people who resist change.
00:09:41.000I even saw, like, the other day, I mean, you know, I was thinking about coming on your show, and I was like, oh, wow, this is crazy, because he's the center of the stratosphere, it seems like, what people are talking about.
00:09:51.000And I was like, I saw something about Prince Harry contenting on you.
00:11:33.000Because more people are paying attention to it?
00:11:34.000I don't think my opinion matters more.
00:11:36.000If you have an opinion and your opinion differs from mine, if you and I were having a conversation at a restaurant or a bar, I would listen to you.
00:11:46.000I don't think my opinion matters more because more people listen.
00:11:52.000Celebrity is, there's a lot of people out there that voice their opinion and legitimately believe that more people should listen to them because they have 12 million Instagram followers or because they're famous or because they have a Grammy Award winning album or they won an Oscar.
00:12:10.000We're all individual human beings, you know, irregardless of your connection to any racial group or ethnic group or social group or sexual, gender group, whatever it is, political group,
00:12:29.000And the weird thing about celebrities is they're just humans, but they're humans that get a disproportionate amount of attention, you know?
00:12:36.000And I think you could probably relate to that because you're not just a movie star, you're the son of one of the greatest movie stars the world has ever known, which has got to be fucking bizarro world.
00:13:14.000You and I did that podcast with Cam Haynes, greatest bow hunter ever, and we're hanging out with him, and then all of a sudden we're in camp with him, and you're the guy who comes home first with an elk.
00:14:15.000You know, you're fucking every celebrity you know, but you're just, I think, by nature, you're around them, so because you're in movies with them, or you have to do press, or the thing, and so...
00:14:25.000I had a conversation with a woman about this once, where we were talking about Brad Pitt, and Brad Pitt, who had gotten divorced from Angelina Jolie, and I said, I think you should just marry a waitress.
00:19:12.000Well, even crazier than that, China is on the verge of developing some insane supersonic travel.
00:19:21.000I think it's more for military applications, but there's a wind tunnel that China has developed that puts it way ahead of what the American capabilities are, at least what we know,
00:19:41.000Do you think that that has anything to do with, because I just watched the 60 Minutes last night about the UAPs or identified UFOs, but they call them UAPs.
00:20:01.000Jeremy Corbell is a good friend of mine, and he's the guy who's been releasing them along with George Knapp, who's the journalist out of Las Vegas, who is the guy who originally broke the Bob Lazar story in the late 80s.
00:20:18.000It's there getting direct correspondence from people on the inside.
00:20:25.000Sailors, guys like Commander David Fravor who saw that tic-tac-shaped object flying across the sky off the Nimitz that went from 80,000 feet above sea level to 50 in less than a second.
00:22:51.000And whether or not it's China, you know, who knows?
00:22:55.000We don't have any understanding of what the technology is.
00:23:00.000When I say we, I mean like the general public.
00:23:03.000I'm sure someone in the military has an inkling of what's going on and someone at the highest levels of physics.
00:23:10.000But the thing is, it's a propulsion system that is...
00:23:15.000It's alien, not alien, look for another world, but alien in comparison to everything that we use conventionally.
00:23:23.000In terms of like a jet, you know, a jet burns fuel, it pushes out the back, the fuel blasts the thing forward because it pushes this way and it goes that way.
00:23:32.000The same with rockets, same with jets, same with everything we use.
00:23:50.000I mean, I've said that I think it's probably, there's probably, there's probably some sort of a drone, some sort of drone technology.
00:23:58.000But even if it was a drone technology, the way it was explained to me is that when something moves that fast, anything that we have, that we've developed that moves that fast, like instantaneously, would break apart.
00:24:10.000Like, we don't have anything that's like structurally, structurally...
00:24:15.000Yeah, sound enough to take that kind of g-force, that instantaneous g-force to go, You know, 80,000 miles an hour, whatever the fuck it is, like, instantly.
00:25:00.000Whatever the fuck it is, it's pretty clear that the government has reached a point where they've decided to start discussing it with us.
00:25:07.000I had Christopher Mellon on from the Defense Department, formerly of the Defense Department, and he was talking about it and the way he described their interactions with these things.
00:25:59.000He doesn't even make an estimation or a guess.
00:26:02.000He's basically just trying to relay what they've encountered so far.
00:26:06.000And one of the things he said that disturbed me or made me pause is like, we have only seen the tip of the iceberg of the evidence they actually have.
00:26:17.000Yeah, a lot of it's classified and a lot of it is people on bases of film things and they've locked it down.
00:26:23.000Now Jeremy Corbell is getting a lot of attention because a lot of these people that have these videos, they reach out to him.
00:26:30.000Because if you're someone in the military who's concerned about these things and you're like, look, we got to stop bullshitting the American public and the world.
00:26:41.000And stop keeping this stuff secret and put it out there.
00:26:52.000And let them explain why we can't do this.
00:26:56.000And explain how maybe something could be made if you had some insane amount of power, some incredible breakthrough in terms of technology that could allow some being, whether it's us, whether we don't know that some,
00:27:14.000whether it's Russia or China or whoever has this capability, or whether it's some being from another planet, or whether it's something that lives in the ocean.
00:27:23.000You know, that's the weirdest one, man.
00:27:25.000They've got video, one of the more recent videos that Jeremy released is what they call a transmedium vehicle, meaning it flies through the air and then goes into the water.
00:27:35.000And they're like, what the fuck is that?
00:27:38.000Yeah, and this is from, I believe it was from 2019, but this was another one of their breakthrough videos where this is, you know, this is also filmed, I think it was filmed from an aircraft carrier.
00:31:28.000Used to go to a restaurant and order Mako shark.
00:31:30.000The shark's fin soup controversy happened where people saw that some people were hacking the fins off sharks and throwing them back in the water to die and the abject cruelty of that struck a chord and then the zeitgeist decided that sharks should be protected and that we shouldn't eat sharks.
00:32:32.000Yeah, I think what we need to do is have really responsible wildlife biologists examine populations, whether it's wild animals or wild fish.
00:32:43.000And the problem that we're encountering, for sure, is that there's people in other countries that just don't give a fuck.
00:33:24.000But it does feel, it doesn't feel like if you are from a very poor country and that's all you have is fishing and that's your thing, that doesn't feel like it's doing the major dent in the ocean.
00:33:36.000It's the massive trollers, the big corporations that take, take, take, take, take because they have to have whatever it is on their menu.
00:34:45.000And they have seasons, but like you said, once you get outside of, you know, into international waters, that's where it gets complicated.
00:34:52.000Yeah, I mean, how do you stop a country from overfishing?
00:34:56.000I mean, they've had a hard time, like Sea Shepherd has had a really hard time stopping people from whaling, believe it or not.
00:35:01.000In this day and age, what Sea Shepherd has caught is these countries that pretend they're doing it for scientific purposes.
00:35:12.000So they'll kill a whale and they'll say it's for research.
00:35:16.000They'll have a research vessel and they'll kill these whales and they'll have them on their boat and then they just sell them and use the parts and use all the stuff that they, you know, they use them for cosmetics and all sorts of weird things.
00:35:30.000And they'll say that this is for research.
00:35:33.000And, you know, they've done an amazing job highlighting these issues, but it's very difficult to get other countries to comply.
00:35:40.000And, you know, those Sea Shepherd folks, they put their lives at risk doing that because there's an immense amount of profit involved in a whale.
00:37:51.000If you see a wolf eating an elk asshole first and tearing it apart and it's trying to get away and it's getting ripped apart, I'm not on team elk or team wolf.
00:41:00.000This dog was, well, what was going on was the bear was a mama bear with her cubs, and they were running across the top of this, like, stone fence.
00:43:08.000I'm just confused because I'm scared of bears.
00:43:10.000So I'm saying bear, thinking about elk.
00:43:12.000If you shot an elk up there, what I should say, and it's like 6 o'clock at night and you're trying to pack it out, Come back in the morning.
00:43:20.000You know what they do is guys like pee around the elk and they'll take their clothes off and they'll throw the smell of their clothes on the carcass so the bears will hesitate.
00:45:23.000It's not forgiving, but it's also the reason why there's enough resources.
00:45:27.000I mean, it's a horrible thing to say, right?
00:45:30.000But there's a reason why there's enough plants, there's a reason why there's enough birds, and there's enough grass.
00:45:37.000Ground squirrels and all these, there's a balance to all this and it has to exist in this way.
00:45:42.000You can't just let moose overpopulate the earth.
00:45:45.000They'll run out of food and then they'll be wracked with disease and they'll be everywhere.
00:45:48.000Like you need bears to kill the moose and you need, unfortunately, you need all these animals to, the only way to balance them out is something has to come along and eat them.
00:46:07.000You need to go to all those Instagram pages where dudes are doing crazy stunts.
00:46:13.000I watched Willie D had a video of this couple fighting on a porch and they fell off the porch.
00:46:22.000They were fucking slapping each other and fighting and shit on a porch and the porch collapsed and they fell two stories onto the concrete below.
00:47:14.000Well, look, we are certainly not perfect, but when it comes to conflict, We are the most evolved the world has ever known because we can we can protest this conflict like look at what's going on right now with Israel and Palestine Whatever side of the fence you fall on and I don't want to be political about this But I want to say that the world is watching and the world is watching what's happening in Gaza the world is and then people have their opinions one way or the other but Everyone is aware of
00:47:44.000what's going on in a way that is unprecedented.
00:47:49.000Like if you want to go back to World War II, we would get newspapers from World War II, right?
00:47:56.000They would show, before movies, they would show news clips where you could see what's happening overseas, and people would kind of try to put together a sense of what's going on.
00:48:08.000There's no real footage when they stormed the beach at Normandy, right?
00:48:48.000An extreme lack of either one-on-one communication or the ability to understand each other.
00:49:00.000If you're talking about countries like China versus United States or Russia versus United States, we're not talking to them.
00:49:08.000We don't even know what their language sounds.
00:49:10.000We don't understand what they're saying.
00:49:11.000If we had some sort of a war with China, I think we're good to go.
00:49:38.000Well, I think people are inherently wrapped in conflict.
00:49:41.000I think we have been since the beginning of time because conflict is the only thing that's allowed us to survive, right?
00:49:47.000Whether it's conflict, getting, you know, protecting ourselves from predators or conflict because of raiding tribes that were trying to take what we had.
00:49:58.000I mean, if you're someone who's coming from a desert and you run into this oasis and this oasis is filled with people that have an incredible bounty of food, but they're trying to protect it and you have children to feed, you're going to war.
00:50:12.000I mean, that's what's happened throughout human history.
00:50:14.000People have always attacked the other, especially if the other speaks some sort of different tongue that you don't understand.
00:50:31.000I mean, just think about how easy it is for people in this country to demonize the other when it comes to people in this same country as them that speak the same language that hold different political beliefs.
00:50:46.000I mean, when Trump lost and Biden came into office and they started putting together lists Of Republicans that somehow or another aided Trump and they wanted to blackball these people and make sure they never worked again and make sure that they were ostracized and like,
00:51:12.000You're not treating them as people that have a different perspective than you do that maybe you can come to common ground with and just have a conversation and we're all here For a short amount of time.
00:51:35.000You'd think so, though, and then you see, like you said, you know, making lists or trying to take people down because they did something or they said something.
00:51:46.000You know, that they didn't like and they're trying to get them fired from their jobs and take away their ability to make money.
00:52:05.000Because information just spreads so fast?
00:52:08.000Well, everyone has the ability to do it now, right?
00:52:11.000People have the ability to voice opinions and attack people and even express opinions that are silly.
00:52:19.000And other people will agree with those silly opinions because they're silly as well.
00:52:22.000Like I was watching this video the other day where this woman was saying...
00:52:26.000That if you are not willing to date someone because they're overweight, she was this enormous lady.
00:52:34.000She was saying if you're not willing to date someone if they're overweight, then you're a bigot.
00:52:38.000And that things you share in common with someone, you know, the differences of opinion should be like, I like this kind of food, I like that kind of food.
00:52:47.000But if you're not interested in someone who's overweight, that's like saying, I don't like people because they're a different race than I am.
00:54:02.000All these people don't like me because of that.
00:54:05.000It's just people have found their tribe now, and their tribe, but maybe it's not good to find other mentally ill people and get together and decide that you guys are right, and the rest of the world that's subjective in reasoning is that they're the ones with the problem.
00:54:36.000It's like, hey, you can think that all these people are bigots, and I can think this, and maybe we can find a common ground that, okay, maybe not everyone's a bigot.
00:54:44.000Maybe Denise just needs to go to the gym.
00:58:56.000And I think some people it's nurture, some people it's nature, but the people that can handle pressure.
00:59:05.000It's like some people rise to the occasion, other people are diminished by the moment.
00:59:10.000Some big moments that cause people to be paralyzed and some people just know how to act.
00:59:18.000Do you think that's though maybe some people were just maybe coddled too much and then when the pressure happens they're like, I can't deal.
01:00:21.000I think it's just a fully dedicated person to whatever it is, whether it's playing chess or painting or anything.
01:00:31.000Just fully dedicated to something that in five years' time, and he just uses that as a rough time frame, but it's an established time frame, like many people have done that within five years.
01:03:27.000Somebody had made a photo of the two of us together.
01:03:32.000It's like Joe Rogan next to a much prettier Joe Rogan.
01:03:38.000No, but he's good at anything he puts his mind to because he's so disciplined.
01:03:43.000Whatever that tenth of a second is or whatever that thing is, he just does and does and does, and then it transfers to anything, whether it's golf or, you know, bowling, beach in anything.
01:03:54.000Yeah, to be that good at riding waves, to be that good at being able to anticipate which way the waves are going and balance yourself perfectly.
01:04:04.000You know, Shane Dorian's a good friend of mine as well, and he's another one that's just a savage.
01:05:21.000I would say that there's probably been a 100 foot face, for sure.
01:05:25.000The highest wave anyone has ever surfed.
01:05:29.000For whatever reason, it says the world record is 75 feet or something like that, but then right below it it says there's someone that surfed a 101.4 foot wave.
01:10:17.000I don't know if I should talk about it on the air, because I don't want to encourage more similar type of situations.
01:10:25.000But let me just say this, that from the Spotify thing, things have ramped up considerably.
01:10:34.000Not just ramped up, but when you're talking about the scrutiny that I experience and the criticism that I experience, But also just the amount of people that think they have to talk to me.
01:11:27.000Where people think that I am a conduit even before I was doing my own movies and things.
01:11:33.000I was a conduit to him and that they could just come to me with these odd requests and my dad would be, you know, like somehow open to them.
01:11:42.000So it's like I get, I understand it, and I have to field it, you know.
01:11:49.000Every week there's emails and crap and stuff, and now I just put on horse blinders.
01:12:02.000You're living the same life you're living, but there's people coming out of these weird places trying to come at, like, angles at ya.
01:12:10.000Well, this podcast in particular has been very interesting and almost an experiment in that I've never done any publicity for this fucking thing.
01:12:58.000When we get together, like, some of my favorite times as a comic were hanging out with comedians after the show, in the green room, just laughing, making each other laugh, talking shit, and I was always like,
01:13:16.000I want to figure out a way to show people that half the fun of being a stand-up comedian is hanging out with other stand-up comedians.
01:13:26.000When I'm getting together with Tim Dillon or Mark Normand or Joey Diaz or Ari Shafir, any of these savages, it's just half the fun is the hang.
01:14:04.000He's lived on the east side, and, you know, and some of my friends would live over in Venice Beach, and it's like, I gotta get them all together.
01:14:11.000What's the best way to get them all together?
01:14:13.000To make a thing where they had to come in, sit down, shut your phone off, and we just hang out together.
01:14:19.000And we smoke some weed, drink some beers, and make...
01:15:23.000Because most things, there's a lot of...
01:15:26.000If you have an enormous platform like the Today Show or whatever it is, these platforms have all these interests that are involved in the platform.
01:15:38.000You have all these advertisers, you have executives that want to keep their jobs secure, and then you have the zeitgeist.
01:15:46.000You have the zeitgeist where people believe one thing or another and they want that reinforced and you have to figure out how to navigate those while having a successful show.
01:15:56.000So oftentimes these successful shows, they're not necessarily based on someone's actual opinion.
01:16:02.000They're based on what they think the opinion of the general public is and how do we make those people feel like we're on their side.
01:17:44.000And it's based on insecurity and fear and a real deep concern that one day you're going to be that chicken that gets pecked at.
01:17:54.000And so when they see someone who's worried about saying something or offending people, and then maybe you just step out of line a little bit.
01:18:05.000Maybe just take a chance a little bit and say something nutty.
01:19:30.000I have all these opinions that are real rock solid.
01:19:34.000I'll stick with them to the day I die.
01:19:36.000But then there's other opinions that I have that are like, hmm...
01:19:40.000You know, what should the speed limit be?
01:19:43.000Like, hey, you know, there's a lot of them about insurance and why do people get saddled down with hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans when you're 21 years old?
01:21:44.000Yeah, it's a very good point, man, because it's how a lot of people with mortgages and families and very involved jobs, that's how they get their information, and it's not necessarily 100% exactly what's going on.
01:22:13.000And one of the ways we're finding that out is right now because of the lab leak hypothesis that was openly dismissed.
01:22:22.000I mean, it was one of the things that I was mocked most about when they called me a conspiracy theorist is that I had people on that were discussing the lab leak hypothesis and they were saying that I was promoting dangerous conspiracy theories because there was no evidence whatsoever that COVID-19 leaked from a lab.
01:23:01.000It's like, wait, did we do all the research here?
01:23:05.000Like, you know, I mean, like you said...
01:23:07.000Well, for the most part, what they're doing is they're reading off a teleprompter, and they're reading notes that have been prepared by producers and executives and all these different people that have an agenda.
01:23:16.000And maybe that agenda is to distribute the actual facts of a case and a situation, a story, and maybe that agenda is political.
01:23:55.000Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
01:23:56.000There is a level 4 lab in Wuhan that's doing the exact kind of gain-of-function research that's working on these kind of diseases and juicing up these viruses and making them more contagious.
01:24:13.000And three people from that laboratory, it turns out, actually did get sick in November of 2019. Has anyone interviewed the people from the lab or is that not a thing?
01:25:06.000It does seem reasonable, but it doesn't benefit the people that are in power currently, ever, right?
01:25:12.000So if the people that are in power currently are Democrats, There's no way they want to censor CNN and MSNBC. If the people are in power that are Republicans, there's no way they want to censor Fox News or OAN or Newsmax.
01:25:26.000You know, it's like people have these perceptions based on whatever their ideology is and they don't want to relinquish the ability to sort of manipulate these narratives.
01:25:48.000Here's what we know about overfishing.
01:25:51.000Here's what we know about climate change.
01:25:53.000And it should be completely apolitical.
01:25:56.000And everyone should be deeply invested in making sure that it's apolitical and looking at things completely objectively and saying, okay, look, I voted for Biden, but I think this is wrong.
01:26:10.000And it has nothing to do with whether or not I think the Democrats should be in control of the House.
01:26:15.000It has to do with the facts, the facts at hand.
01:26:18.000Or I voted for Trump, or I voted for Ron Paul, or whatever the fuck it is you voted for.
01:27:38.000And the thing about it that infuriates me is that the people that were in power didn't lose any money.
01:27:43.000If you're in charge, like if you're a mayor or whatever you are of a city, and that city loses a massive amount of income, and businesses go under based entirely on your decisions, and those decisions are very debatable,
01:28:00.000and then you look at how it is in other parts of the country where they've made different decisions and they've had massively different results and much more beneficial, Results for those businesses.
01:28:11.000Your pay should be completely dependent upon how much money is generated by the people in your district.
01:29:16.000It's interesting because I don't hear people saying on the other side, it's like, you know, if you want to wear a mask or you want to do a thing, like, that's your choice.
01:29:51.000Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with the idea of wearing masks in public places, specifically indoor places, but it's really weird when you look at the rules.
01:30:03.000In Texas, I love the fact that you go to restaurants, but I always found it so bizarre that you wear a mask until you sit down, and then you take the mask off.
01:32:01.000Well, I think it's one of those things where we weren't prepared for anything because we never experienced anything like this our whole lives.
01:32:10.000Now, for the first time in 100 years, there's a legitimate worldwide pandemic.
01:32:15.000But lucky for us, it's relatively mild in comparison to some other pandemics like the Spanish flu, which killed fucking...
01:32:40.000In comparison, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention estimated there were roughly 22,000 deaths in the prior season and 34,000 two seasons ago.
01:33:22.000I was watching this lecture by this doctor that was making the argument that the reason why flu season exists, he said, is because in the winter months, people have no exposure to sun and they have very low levels of vitamin D. I would agree with that.
01:34:57.000They're born in a river, they live for two years in the river, then they swim out to the ocean, live a whole life, two years, Come back up the river.
01:35:09.000No, spawn before they die in the same place.
01:35:24.000I went to Seattle once and they had this sort of education thing about salmon where they're explaining how salmon got fucked over because they made these dams back then.
01:35:40.000But when they were damning these rivers, they didn't understand that salmon would not be able to breed and then the salmon just went to the dam and died.
01:35:47.000And they had like a massive crash in the salmon population that also affected the orca population because the orca, some of the orcas only eat Chinook salmon.
01:35:57.000Like they have a specific population of orca that live in the Puget Sound that only eat salmon.
01:37:33.000It's something maybe about, too, the elk having a completely wild, perfect life, and then if you do it right, you kill an old bull, and that elk has lived this great life, healthy life, done a lot of fucking,
01:37:50.000done a lot of reproducing, had a great life, and then, I don't know.
01:39:09.000Freezing cold and snowing and you're hiking for miles and you're going up into 8,000 feet above sea level and you're encountering these Gigantic, wild fucking forest horses with swords growing out of their heads who fight each other to the death.
01:39:26.000They fight each other to the death up there, stabbing each other with these fucking spears that grow out of their head.
01:41:39.000We have to release that arrow where you have to make sure that you're not flinching, you're not moving at all, and I have a whole shot sequence that I go through in my head, and I have to make sure that I go through that shot sequence and I have to stay as calm and blank as possible.
01:41:54.000And then once the arrow's released and I see it hit the mark, it's like...
01:41:58.000It's like huge relief, excitement, but also this huge relief that you did it.
01:42:04.000But then you're also kind of worried, like, did it go down?
01:42:30.000But doing that work when you do have that meat and you do cook that meat and you feed your family and feed your friends, it's a totally different feeling than just hot dogs, you know?
01:45:43.000The crash landed outside of San Francisco Bay.
01:45:46.000And because he ultimately ended up there, I think one person died, him and the pilot or co-pilot, I can't remember, had to swim to shore, like, at night, over two miles, I want to say something crazy.
01:46:03.000And, you know, there's tons of sharks, tons of shit out there in San Francisco.
01:46:08.000And this was, you know, 1950. So, at the time, my grandmother...
01:46:16.000They had told my grandmother that he had gone down in a plane crash.
01:46:23.000And there was no cell phones, there was no social media, there was no anything.
01:46:27.000It took a week for him, by the time he got back and he got back to the thing, to be able to call her after, I don't know, maybe I had to go to the hospital, I can't remember.
01:46:37.000For him to be able to call his mother and say, hey, I'm alive.
01:46:43.000And that is what kept him from going to the Korean War because he was supposed to be deployed, but because he was in this plane crash, he had to stay and testify and do this whole thing, and they had just deployed without him.
01:46:56.000Isn't that crazy how one moment in time can change the whole course of someone's life?
01:47:03.000Yeah, and a moment that's completely out of your control.
01:47:06.000There's these weird, like, sort of pathways that you come to in life, gateways, and you go left, and you're okay, you go right, and the trip ends.
01:47:27.000Just we're just yeah, we're just renting space.
01:47:29.000That's the weird thing about this pandemic is that We're forced to come to grips Prematurely with the possibility of our life expiring and people are worried about this external threat this thing is a virus that could prematurely end your life but when the dust settles and One of the good things about any sort of adverse or any
01:48:01.000sort of negative moment in life is that when things do pass, it makes you realize how good you've got it when you're not experiencing these bad things.
01:48:12.000One of the things that I'm realizing now...
01:48:15.000With comedy shows and shit, is that people are so happy to be out.
01:49:36.000You know, I actually talked to a lot of people who, they were like, dating apps and all these things, they were going nuts during COVID. Really?
01:51:38.000If there was a mind swap thing, where you and your wife could swap brains, and you knew that in 24 hours you'd go back to being you, but you could feel what it's like to have a woman's, and not, you know, obviously all women are different,
01:51:54.000but at least one woman's perspective on life.
01:53:03.000So, like, if there was women all around, just hanging around, there's a ton of abundance of women everywhere, and it was, you know, would we be calmer?
01:53:18.000There's a lot of ways to look at this, but I think one of the ways to look at this is that the reason why things keep getting better, like in terms of more innovation, in terms of the progress of society and culture,
01:53:34.000one of the reasons why, and there's many reasons, but one of them is competition.
01:53:40.000And I don't think men are ever going to stop competing.
01:53:43.000I think if there's more women, you're going to want a specific woman.
01:54:07.000I mean it's a big part of why men are – why men are really good – some men are really good at conversation and really good at – it's not just – it's one of the reasons, right?
01:54:20.000There's many – like some – conversation is interesting.
01:54:23.000It's interesting to – like when I talk to a guy like John Donaher or something like that, it's really good at conversation.
01:57:48.000So I spent some time in Hawaii growing up, and it's interesting to see, because it's an island, or because you're on an island, that There's limited resources.
01:58:02.000And in turn, I find that it's a slightly more warrior society still.
01:58:09.000And I wonder if that's just a female-male, like, strictly, like, hey, there's less females here.
02:00:03.000But then what was weird was we would go to other schools to play other games against other teams, and those teams didn't know me, so they were like, fuck you, Howley.
02:00:49.000This component of human life where people are trying to compete over resources and trying to win, trying to get ahead.
02:00:59.000Especially if you look at it generationally, right?
02:01:03.000When you're young, you're trying to be better than the other kids that you're growing up with.
02:01:10.000As you get older, you're competing against other adults.
02:01:13.000When you're a young man, you look at a successful older man, like, I want to do what that guy's doing, and there's, like, this comparative thing and this competition thing, and it's just an inherent part of human life.
02:01:30.000Which is a weird thing, because it's like...
02:01:32.000We sort of equate it to money and how you climb the social ladder which I kind of hate but it's part of it I guess.
02:01:40.000It's part of the equation because if you have resources you're able to then have a family, have A better life, feed your family, so on and so forth.
02:02:04.000You know, flying around on private jets, doing these giant arena concerts, and it becomes this thing where you're looking at, like, how does one get to where that guy is?
02:02:15.000It becomes this goal that doesn't seem to be attainable.
02:02:22.000It's like, as you know, Hollywood, it's not about the truth.
02:03:19.000Like very down to earth, which is weird to say.
02:03:22.000But for a guy who is one of the richest men alive and one of the most brilliant people that's ever lived and one of the most innovative in terms of...
02:03:29.000The guy's running multiple businesses that are completely evolutionary simultaneously.
02:03:36.000I mean, he's running a rocket business while he's running an electric car business, while he's running a business that makes tunnels under the earth to try to eliminate traffic congestion.
02:04:14.000Since he did my podcast originally, we've become friends and I've hung out with him a few times and hung out with him at comedy shows and all kinds of other stuff with him.
02:04:24.000The last time he did the podcast, he was like real loose and silly with me and fun.
02:05:25.000But it's also that it's an unusual, there's an unusual thing happening, right?
02:05:30.000That this has never happened before where independent people, an independent, what they call this podcast, a media entity, whatever you want to call it, is as big as anything else that's out there.
02:06:40.000And I think inside of that 50 years, there's going to be a technology that exists that's going to allow people to see intent, like real intent.
02:06:48.000And it's going to clean up a lot of the problems that we have.
02:06:51.000This is my utopian vision of what technology is going to offer people.
02:06:55.000I think there's a lot of deception that comes with language and charisma and media and broadcasting.
02:08:29.000I think that's what the future is going to be more of that because there's a lot of like really quality people out there that are doing the same kind of thing that I'm doing but better and that they're doing it in very specific ways like I'm a generalist, right?
02:08:42.000I'm talking about all kinds of shit and I'm not really an expert and I'm an expert in a couple of things.
02:08:48.000If you want to talk to me about MMA or stand-up comedy, I can give you an expert opinion.
02:08:52.000If you want to talk to me about some other things, I'm just talking shit.
02:09:05.000Does big money, big corporations try to take those people down?
02:09:10.000Is that why you think maybe they're sometimes after you?
02:09:14.000I think competition is always, like people always try to take down competition, right?
02:09:21.000Like if someone is, if you're competing for resources, someone's always going to try to take down competition.
02:09:25.000And if you're one of those legacy media outlets and you see some independent organization that is thriving and now does much, like Rising with Crystal and Sagar, which is like one of my favorite internet political shows.
02:09:44.000They do three times the numbers of conventional television shows.
02:11:43.000Craig Jones has an OnlyFans jersey that he wears when he...
02:11:46.000He has a rash guard that he wears when he competes.
02:11:48.000Yeah, it was supposed to just be an alternative to Patreon that the porn industry took over because they had a lot of problems with receiving money through credit cards and other websites.
02:13:06.000Elliot Page, who used to be Ellen Page, is now Elliot Page, took a topless photo, the first trans topless photo as a trans man, and everybody published it.
02:15:42.000Because I know that's a fact because I saw a woman with one of those in one of these cosmetic surgery fail videos where this female bodybuilder had fake abs.
02:15:54.000I think I just saw a picture of that one.
02:17:55.000Yeah, there's an article that came out today about some sort of a soy product that they've experimented with fish to turn male fish into females.
02:18:11.000They've actually been able to turn male fish into females.
02:18:29.000I think you're going to be not just trans, a trans woman, like where you still have XY chromosome.
02:18:37.000I think eventually, one day, science will be able to change your actual physical sex, not just your gender, like how you recognize and how you identify, but you'll be a woman.
02:19:28.000And CRISPR has allowed them to Start to breach this, start to go through this barrier of manipulating biology and changing genes and changing the way genes express.
02:19:41.000And initially they're going to do it for all sorts of positive reasons, like to be able to eliminate Alzheimer's and various diseases.
02:19:49.000But I think eventually they're going to get to the point where they can manipulate people and make them super athletes.
02:19:54.000And then they're going to be able to manipulate people and change their gender.
02:19:57.000The science doesn't exist currently, but it's not outside the realm of possibility that it could happen in 50 years or 100 years from now.
02:20:06.000If you go 100 years ago, bring someone an iPhone, they'd think you're a fucking wizard.
02:22:37.000Like when I talk to someone like Elon or someone like, you know, someone who's like a real genius, It's so interesting to talk to someone whose brain works so much better than yours.
02:23:08.000That's how Godzilla got started, you fucks.
02:23:11.000You guys made Godzilla, and you're going to do this?
02:23:13.000The decision, long speculated but delayed for years due to safety concerns and protests, whoops, came at a meeting of cabinet ministers who endorsed the ocean release as the best option.
02:23:23.000The accumulating water has been stored in tanks in the Fukushima Daiichi plant.
02:23:28.000Since 2011, when a massive earthquake and tsunami damaged its reactors, and their cooling water became contaminated and began leaking.
02:24:07.000The problem is a lot of these reactors, and I've talked to people that actually understand nuclear power, a lot of these nuclear reactors are old technology.
02:24:15.000And that there's been a hesitancy of adopting nuclear technology that's better and more innovative.
02:24:25.000I don't know what I'm talking about, right?
02:24:28.000But according to people that understand it, what they said to me was that it's a better way to get electricity.
02:28:57.000So it's, you know, I'm trying to right now, I'm trying to just soak up every piece of knowledge I can from him, listen to him, sit with him as much as possible.
02:29:10.000Because I know he's not going to be around forever, and that's...
02:29:14.000It's terrifying, you know, to think about.
02:29:16.000But it's like, oh man, I've got to spend every moment I can.
02:30:34.000People would think about you just because of whatever, and they're like, oh, well, he's just this thing.
02:30:39.000They don't know about your personal life.
02:30:41.000They don't know about how you are with your kids, how you are, you know, how you think, you know, esoterically about things, and, you know, when you're speaking to your wife, like...
02:30:51.000He's like much different than just that.
02:30:53.000He's got a lot of shades, and he's very, I think, middle of the road a lot of things.
02:30:59.000He looks at issues and says, well, this is that, and this is that, and maybe there's a middle ground, and I don't know, you know?
02:31:05.000Well, there's always this urge to dismiss people, any person.
02:31:10.000You have this reductionist perspective of who that person is.
02:31:14.000And it's hard to just go, to just be curious.
02:33:59.000And what he would do is he would go on stage, and he didn't give a fuck if there was 100 people in the room, or 1,000 people in the room, or 10 people in the room.
02:34:07.000He would go on stage, and he would just work out ideas.
02:34:11.000Didn't worry at all whether or not those ideas were bombing, and it's like people were waiting for him to say something funny, and then he would catch fire.
02:34:19.000He would find something, and that thing would become hysterical, and we'd all be crying, laughing, and then...
02:34:28.000He would fuck around with it, and then he would come up with, you know, and then he would have, like, these other lulls where he was trying to work some stuff out, and then he would catch fire with that.
02:34:36.000But he recorded all of his sets, Damon is recorded.
02:34:40.000I had a conversation with him about this at the Improv in Hollywood.
02:34:43.000He said he's recorded all of his sets since the 90s.
02:34:47.000So every set he's done, he brings a camera on a tripod.
02:34:52.000He sets it up in the back of the room and he films all of his sets and he edits them all on his computer.
02:34:57.000So he has hard drives filled with all these sets and then he goes over them and then he goes over them and he dissects those brilliant moments where he catches fire.
02:35:07.000He'll take those and he'll turn those into bits and then they'll become like these killer chunks on stage.
02:35:13.000His HBO special, The Last Stand, is in my opinion one of the greatest specials of all time.
02:35:18.000It's definitely like top 100 specials ever.
02:35:24.000And it's one of those things where he just would work out all that material and then find these beats and then take those beats and dissect them and put them aside.
02:35:32.000But when he was on stage fucking around like he was trying to accomplish something and it was like trying to find where's the funny and he was thinking out loud in front of an audience.
02:35:55.000And then you would see him do a set where everything was tight and polished.
02:36:01.000It would make you realize the wisdom of his approach.
02:36:05.000Because he would go and do this set where everything was tight and polished and would just smash.
02:36:10.000And he had these brilliant ideas and they would all be condensed and shortened and the economy of words and he knew where the beats were and then he'd be like, wow!
02:38:06.000If you go back and listen to Richard Pryor's old cassettes, there's some of them that are available from the Red Fox Comedy Club, and you can find them online.
02:38:14.000But I bought them from a gas station one day in the 90s, these cassette tapes.
02:38:20.000And they were all like him at Red Fox's Comedy Club.
02:38:23.000And it was just him, like, you could hear drinks clinking, you could hear things in the background, ice and shit, and you could hear people talking, and it was just like this small crowd where he was just fucking around.
02:38:35.000And that's where a lot of his most brilliant bits came from.
02:38:57.000Because, like, he went back and made, like, this...
02:39:02.000I mean, he did, obviously he did all those great spaghetti westerns, all those amazing, and they call them spaghetti westerns for people who don't know because they did them in Italy.
02:40:56.000Then he started directing and doing his own westerns.
02:40:59.000But bringing it back to Unforgiven, what's really, I think, most interesting about that film is that it is...
02:41:07.000It's an amalgamation, or it's the whole history of his westerns, but really looking back as what would it be like to be an older man and having regret, having...
02:41:24.000And so it's kind of using the history that he had created and talking about what it's like to look back at life and one last ride to do things different for his family.
02:41:38.000So there's a lot going into that movie.
02:49:57.000There has to be rules and laws, but I think part of the problem that many people have when it comes to prostitution is that if you keep it illegal, what you're empowering is organized crime.
02:50:09.000It's the same thing, the same argument for keeping drugs and all these.
02:50:18.000You're empowering all these things if you keep it illegal.
02:50:21.000Because then you're going to have people that are going to sell it, and oftentimes it's not the people that are actually doing the sex act that are getting the money.
02:50:30.000It's the people that are controlling the people that are doing the sex act.
02:51:28.000After, like, more than a year and a half of this shit going down and him being in support of them, him going out and marching with them, he realized, like, oh, this is anarchy.
02:51:52.000What they're trying to do up there is sort of restructure society.
02:51:59.000They're trying to tear it all down and restructure society in their ideals.
02:52:03.000But it's more like what we were talking about before about the internet, about finally there's people that can find other people that think the way they think.
02:52:14.000Because if that guy was at your job, if you worked at UPS and there was a guy who's like, Man, capitalism is bullshit, man.
02:53:04.000How many, air quotes, protests have happened in Portland to the point where the fucking mayor, who's, he is like the most hardcore lefty in America today in terms of mayors, and even he's like, enough!
02:53:23.000He was one of these defund the police guys, and now he's recognizing, like, oh my god, we have to stop this.
02:53:31.000They tried to burn down the fucking apartment building.
02:53:33.000They were burning the lobby of the apartment building where he lived.
02:53:36.000He had to move out of the apartment building, yeah.
02:53:39.000Yeah, I was paying attention to Gordon Ryan's Instagram, and he said something kind of cool the other day.
02:53:48.000He says, hey, instead of complaining about not being successful, why don't you just try to get good at something you want to do, and then hopefully you'll be successful.
02:54:51.000You don't become anyone who's great at anything without a massive amount of dedication and focus to whatever that thing is.
02:54:59.000The problem is a lot of people see people that are very successful and they equate their success with somehow or another someone else getting fucked over.
02:55:17.000No, it's like, you know how hard that person had to work?
02:55:19.000Like you're talking about Gordon Ryan.
02:55:21.000In the gym, every day, probably eight hours a day, whether it's conditioning, all the things he's doing, and then going home, probably dreaming about it, thinking about it.
02:55:30.000It's like, no, that just doesn't happen.
02:55:33.000The thing is they're right about it in some ways.
02:55:35.000Like some people are successful because they've fucked other people over.
02:55:40.000There are some businesses where they're taking advantage of poor people or they're taking advantage of people that are disenfranchised or don't have any power and they're using their power to dominate these people and extract wealth from them.
03:00:01.000And it doesn't necessarily mean it's definitely going to work out for you because fortune plays a big factor in how well people do and don't do in life.
03:00:09.000But there's a lot of people that were very unfortunate that are now incredibly successful.
03:00:15.000And that's through this wild path of freedom that we have here.
03:00:21.000Yeah, I think it's a combination of that crazy hard work discipline and it's a matrix, like you said.
03:00:34.000So you could go this way, you could get on the plane and end up in this state and then have to figure it out from there or whatever, you know?
03:01:00.000I think we need social parachutes or social nets that catch people and help people when things go badly so that they don't wind up in abject poverty and they don't wind up without health care and they don't wind up You know,
03:01:18.000But I think other than that, we need to encourage competition and discipline because it's a great feeling that you get when you accomplish something that's difficult to do.
03:01:27.000And there's a lot of people that go through life and they don't experience that.
03:01:29.000They don't experience that great feeling of overcoming seemingly insurmountable odds and becoming the best version of you that you can be.
03:01:47.000And the lack of adversity, if you don't have any adversity, I think that's where my mom used to always say, idle time is the devil's workshop.
03:01:57.000You're just sitting around, and if you're not challenging yourself, you're not growing, and then you're just, okay, what am I going to do?
03:02:15.000I think part of the problem is we associate work, in air quotes, work.
03:02:21.000With doing things you don't want to do, right?
03:02:23.000Like, work is schoolwork, where you're studying something you don't give a fuck about.
03:02:28.000Or work is a job that doesn't, they don't respect you, they don't care about you, you're just a cog in the wheel, you just have to show up every day.
03:02:41.000There's other work that can make you feel satisfied.
03:02:45.000When you do a great film, and you're done with that, and you get to sit in the theater and watch it with a bunch of people, and you know those long hours on the sets, and you know the practice and rehearsals and all the shit, and you're like, here it is.
03:03:53.000And then you leave, come back, and there's a whole other process of editing and sound and all these creatives coming together to do this thing.
03:04:03.000And then it just goes out into the ether.
03:04:07.000Was Wrath of Man the first time you played a real bad guy?
03:04:12.000I played one before, but that was, I would say this was probably, yeah.
03:04:33.000Have you ever done a movie where it was over, it sucked, and you're like, ugh, I gotta not read reviews and get the fuck away from this one?
03:04:44.000Sometimes you can have an incredible experience doing something, like when you're hanging out with your friends or whatever, but the end product might not be that great.
03:04:53.000Or, on the contrary, sometimes you can have...
03:06:02.000And sometimes, you know, that's their job.
03:06:04.000So they're there to bring you a sandwich because you have to stay in this place and you're rehearsing with the camera crew and you're doing the whole thing.
03:06:12.000But as much as you can strip all that shit down and go, we're just doing this creative process altogether.
03:06:41.000You've got to have all the ingredients.
03:06:43.000And I would imagine, I mean, I've only done a couple of movies, but the dynamic on movies is...
03:06:50.000Everyone's paying attention to the stars like the stars of the main focus because that's where the cameras on so You're really grounded and you're really down-to-earth which is super unusual for actors and I always make fun of actors, but It's not all of them like you're like a right like if people didn't know you and they didn't know you're a movie star They were like,
03:08:04.000He grew up in an era where There's a story that has stuck with me forever, and it was when he was about 12 years old, and it was in the middle of World War II, 1942, and his mother,
03:08:21.000my grandmother, Ruth, who's now passed away, They were very poor.
03:08:26.000And they were living in Oakland, I believe.
03:08:30.000And someone had come, knocked on their back door.
03:08:34.000And my grandmother was freaked out because it was someone they didn't know.
03:09:17.000And he's like, dude, you're so lucky if you get a job and you better hold that job and you better be the best at it and you better be nice to people and you better do all these things because it could go away like that.
03:09:29.000And I don't know, so maybe that's how he imprinted me that's how lucky you are.