In this episode, the boys are joined by their good friend Joe to talk about a variety of topics, including John Cena's recent trip to China, John Cena s apology in Mandarin, and a whole lot more. Also, the guys talk about how much money John Cena is making in China, and what it means for the future of the wrestling industry in general, and why it's a good thing he doesn't speak Mandarin. And, of course, there's a little bit of everything else, too. Enjoy! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. All rights reserved. Used by permission. The opinions stated here are our own, not those of our companies, unless otherwise stated. We do not own the rights to any music used in this episode. This episode was produced, produced, and edited by our own patrons. If you have any objections, please reach out to us via the usual channels. Thank you for any amount you can manage, we appreciate the support we've gotten so far this week. Peace, Blessings, Cheers! Cheers. - The Cheers, EJ & Joe - EJ and the Cheers Crew. Timestamps: 1:00:00 2: 00:00 - 3:15 - John Cena in China (John Cena in Mandarin 4:30 - John's apology in Chinese 5:30: What does it mean to you? 6:40 - What is a good apology? 7:00- John Cena does it in Mandarin? 8:30- What do you think it's cool? 9:10 - What are you going to do with it? 11:40- What is it mean? 12:00 + 11:20 - How do you like it better than that? 15:30 16:10 17:40 18: Does it suck? 19:00 Is it better or not? 21:00 Can you speak it better? 22: Is it more than that's better than the other one? 23:00 Do you have a problem? ? 15, can you speak Mandarin or not enough? 26:00? 27:00 Does it really matter? 25:00 | Can it be more?
00:03:22.000That's some really really the most it's again like you know we're watching that fight oh my god when we're watching that fight last night and you're just watching it and you're trying to make sense of the new reality you know because it's like you got to accept it but he's wearing a pikachu medallion Fighting like the best boxer alive today,
00:04:22.000It is weird, but it's a warning to everybody, right?
00:04:26.000The people that don't, they're not taking this sort of cultural shift seriously.
00:04:31.000When you see an enormous alpha male in John Cena, John Cena's arms are so big, it looks like they're supposed to be a foot longer, but someone sawed them off and put like a fist Here.
00:04:44.000It's like if my forearm went down only to here and then the fist was there, his wrists are enormous.
00:05:38.000You can't say that, which is bullshit.
00:05:41.000You know, also that thing that just popped up, they said it was a mistake, but Bing apparently made it so that if you image search, the Tiananmen Square guy holding the suitcase didn't show up on the day of, on the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre.
00:05:58.000And so everybody's like, what the fuck?
00:06:01.000Just like, are you, are you like owned by China now?
00:06:06.000That is a really strange form of invasion, isn't it?
00:06:11.000It's like, it's not the normal kind of invasion.
00:06:13.000We're thinking about invasions from old historical versions of invasions, but that's not how it works anymore.
00:06:21.000Now it's, you know, if you get your technology into another country, if you become the supplier of a lot of their pharmaceuticals, all these things, then you don't really need to invade.
00:07:19.000I'm not just talking state agencies either.
00:07:21.000I mean, just cobbles of, like, anarchists who feel like just fucking around with the zeitgeist could theoretically just...
00:07:29.000Put out a shit ton of bots or phone banks of people, putting weird ideas into the culture that, you know, you hear it enough times, you start thinking, like, I guess that is true.
00:07:41.000I don't know if you've ever had the thing happen where you're just scanning Twitter and you see some completely wrong, like, deeply wrong Fact and physics, but you were just shitting or something.
00:10:35.000And I was going to buy a Huawei, I think it was like a Mate 10 Pro Porsche edition.
00:10:43.000I was trying to figure out how to get it to work in America.
00:10:45.000Because they work on like, you got to make sure that one works on the right CDMA, because they have like different systems overseas and other countries.
00:10:55.000So I was trying to find out how to buy this, and Porsche Design was making the dopest phone.
00:11:01.000And I was interested in doing this, and then all of a sudden I started reading on these forums, they're going to take it down.
00:11:06.000They're going to not allow Huawei to sell anything in America, because we caught them Doing stuff with routers or some shit.
00:11:16.000But I remember thinking, whoa, when have you ever heard that before?
00:11:20.000Where they said, hey, a company can't sell shit in our country because we think you're compromised by the government of your country and you're sneaking in.
00:11:28.000Not just like, oh, they hacked into a router and now they got all the Facebook data.
00:12:18.000You get a little, I don't know, speck of whatever the fuck this weird technology is mixed in with some...
00:12:26.000Mass-produced stuff that goes all over the planet.
00:12:29.000And now you can listen, not just to, like, government officials, but to what people are saying.
00:12:36.000And then get that data, gather it up, and then feed it to an AI. You can replicate the personality of the country.
00:12:46.000So that thing, you know, like, remember the old days, like, you'd get a Twitter bot, but their English was kind of fucked up.
00:12:53.000Like, there was something about it that was like, or, you know, you get a call from one of those, one of those, like, fake Social Security people.
00:13:00.000They say they're going to delete your Social Security number.
00:13:02.000I don't know if you've gotten any of these or not.
00:13:31.000You know what, I have, cause generally I'm late on the record or I just don't, cause you know, you can trigger them real quick.
00:13:38.000Like they get so mad and then they'll always say something about fucking your mom or like, you know, your mom's got the biggest dick and then they'll hang up on you.
00:13:45.000But my friend Pemberton, Got one real, like he's got a call up where he got one really, really good.
00:13:54.000But anyway, man, my point is, you siphon all this fucking data, feed it to an AI, run that through some kind of voice simulator so it sounds like a person, and now you've got like a legion of fake Americans interacting.
00:14:18.000I mean, not just from China, from Russia.
00:14:20.000Russia, but not just from Russia, from corporations.
00:14:23.000People have done that with those guys and then called another one and had them talk to each other and they can't figure out for about an hour what the fuck's happening.
00:14:34.000I mean, what they're doing with the Internet Research Agency, or at least what they were doing prior to 2016, if we assume that they don't get any more sophisticated over the last four or five years, who would it be so silly?
00:14:48.000This lady, Renee DiResta, I heard her on Sam Harris's podcast, and I got her on mine, and she was explaining to me all the research that she did, looking into how the Russians were making these Facebook pages, not the Russians, just one agency, I should say, Internet Research Agency.
00:15:04.000They were making these memes, and she's like, hundreds of thousands of memes, and a lot of them were really funny.
00:15:09.000She's like, I was really laughing while I was doing this.
00:15:11.000And she said she got to study how they created these pages, and that's where it was really interesting.
00:15:16.000Like, they would create these pages, and they would use them for a while, like maybe a Simpsons fan page or something like that, and they would get a certain amount of following, and then they would switch it over to Occupy Wall Street.
00:15:28.000Or they would switch it over to Black Lives Matter.
00:15:30.000Or they would switch it over to LBGTQPage.
00:15:32.000And they would just get a bunch of followers and then just use those followers.
00:15:36.000Use a ton of hashtags and connect people through hashtags and they would just try to figure out what sticks.
00:15:43.000And they would have meme pages, and they would organize arguments.
00:15:47.000So they organized a Texas separatist meeting across the street from some Islamic pride rally.
00:15:57.000So they got the two of them on catty-corner streets.
00:16:18.000He like fucks with the cat, like, hey man, hey, what the fuck's going on with you, bro?
00:16:22.000And the cat's like, and then there's another cat that's on another rooftop, just like five feet away, and that cat, he looks at that cat, he's like, man, fuck you.
00:16:31.000And then, why are you staring at me, man, while this crow's fucking with me?
00:16:36.000And the crow literally goes back and forth fucking with cat to cat and then they jump on each other and in a tumble of bodies fall off the roof.
00:16:51.000It's like, this is what I've realized I've been doing is anytime any kind of crazy shit happens, I assign responsibility to some unknown state agency because we think there's no way Any normal group of people could do that.
00:17:06.000It's got to be a country with a shit ton of money.
00:17:10.000But I'm realizing that is just not the case anymore because the technology that everyone has access to is sufficient to at least like in a really degraded way imitate what you know probably what state agencies are doing meaning that now It's pure anarchy,
00:17:30.000because you assume those, like, whatever the fuck they are, the UAPs, we are all like, oh, we know it's not a state agency, or if it is, it's like deeply secret.
00:17:42.000It's like, motherfucker, you think it's a state agency?
00:17:45.000What if it's just a group of geniuses who, like, Secretly crack their own thing in their basement and they're like just fucking around with this thing.
00:17:53.000You know, that's the obvious thing coming out now that everyone suspects that the virus came from the virology lab in the place it was at the epicenter.
00:18:06.000Where they used to study the exact virus.
00:18:09.000At first they were like, oh fuck, it definitely came from there.
00:18:12.000And then they're like, well actually there's the wet markets there.
00:18:15.000But anyway, the point is like, what if, What if you're like an hyper-eco-environmentalist group and you know that if you engineer this thing that's got like an extra two weeks or whatever asymptomatic,
00:18:31.000like you engineer a thing not to kill people but to fuck up economies.
00:20:25.000This seems to be happening across the fucking board.
00:20:27.000Where you're seeing what does appear to be A kind of clumsy, alien attempt to express solidarity with something, but it doesn't quite understand humans.
00:20:44.000It's not like it doesn't just understand whatever the fuck it's trying to express connectivity to.
00:20:49.000It's like it doesn't understand the way normal people interact.
00:20:53.000And I think if you get a political class and you put them in a city where they can get on underground We're good to go.
00:21:25.000You've got advisor upon advisor upon advisor articulating some expression of what's supposed to be the will of the people, but that's been warped a little bit by the lobbyists.
00:21:38.000And also, you are thinking like, fuck, I want to get re-elected.
00:21:42.000I need millions of dollars to get re-elected.
00:21:44.000And that's not going to come from anybody but certain corporations.
00:21:48.000But then those corporations have kind of loose ties with...
00:21:53.000Countries that are adversaries, as they say, meaning that all of a sudden it's not just like some lobbyist who wants there to be a lack of regulations on oil pipelines getting the ear of some politician.
00:22:08.000But it's a corporation that's a little bit influenced by a completely different country getting the ear of the politician.
00:22:27.000It's becoming more of a, I don't know, like just some hyper connected thing that is like probably not quite What you would traditionally call a country.
00:22:40.000Well, a country didn't exist in the form of the United States until 1776, and then it's evolved from there, right?
00:22:47.000As money starts getting weirder and weirder, because money's all digital now, right?
00:22:52.000It's all flying around, and then what it becomes?
00:23:21.000How do you stop that from happening with language?
00:23:25.000What if people come along with a language that's easy to learn, you can learn it, it's fun, there's games you can play, you can learn it while you're playing a game, and you get points?
00:23:35.000What if there's a Call of Duty language?
00:23:47.000What's to stop you from making a language that goes along with a video game, and as you get really good at the video game, you learn the language?
00:23:53.000Also, yeah, if like Musk's neural mesh works out, and so we can expedite the Ability to learn new languages.
00:24:00.000So it's not just like new languages are being formed, but then also you can just digest them like instantaneously.
00:24:07.000So now you get this like weird hyper-evolving language that is probably going to be the language that the settlers speak on the moon colonies and the Mars colonies and the asteroid miners.
00:24:18.000You're not going to be able to speak You're gonna have to have some pigeon.
00:24:22.000By the way, I watched the Stanford professor that you had on.
00:28:34.000How many thousands of times does a rat have to get eaten by the cat or killed by the cat before they figure out how to do it right, where it's real consistent?
00:28:47.000It's definitely mutations, but I almost feel like there's a missing element To what makes things work that we're not tuned into.
00:28:56.000We have these mechanisms, and this is no disrespect to the people that study this, and obviously I'm a moron, but all these people that are looking at this and looking at these mechanisms, I agree with all their work.
00:29:06.000I'm not saying that I disagree that these mechanisms are in place and that they can show a clear cause and effect to certain genes and why they express themselves and certain Evolutionary traits that are beneficial to whatever animal.
00:29:19.000But I think there's also some other weird shit going on, man.
00:29:22.000I think there's multiple things going on.
00:29:25.000And I think it's almost like there's information out there in experience.
00:29:29.000And that information, when animals get jacked or when things go wrong, that information still manages to transfer out into the tribe.
00:29:38.000You know, in some sort of non-verbal communication.
00:29:40.000So I think it does that to like the parasites.
00:29:43.000I think it works that way with people.
00:29:45.000I think it works that way with a lot of stuff.
00:29:47.000I think ideas and like tones, the way people see things, generally spreads almost like a virus as much as it spreads like information.
00:30:49.000Toxoplasmosis in children leads to a decrease in IQ. The decrease in IQ thing is like, what the fuck causes IQ, right?
00:30:56.000What are all the little pieces that are moving in place there?
00:31:01.000Sapolsky said that motorcycle victims, when he was doing his residency, they would come in and there was a disproportionate amount of motorcycle accidents that have toxoplasmosis in their system when they would test him.
00:31:14.000So the doctor that he was working with when he was doing his residency told him, let's test him for toxo.
00:31:20.000And he's like, there's a disproportionate number because it makes him reckless.
00:32:24.000Analysis, a sample of 857 conscripts showed toxoplasmosa.
00:32:29.000Positive subjects were significantly overrepresented among people with only elementary education, had significantly lower verbal intelligence, and significant lower factor of novelty seeking.
00:32:44.000We got to think, again, you're dealing with poverty, right?
00:32:49.000You're dealing with third world, a lot of third world environments where they have high incidence of that shit.
00:32:55.000But that is fucking fascinating that a bug figures out a way to get a rat horny and get him chasing a cat so it gets eaten because it wants to get in that cat's stomach.
00:33:08.000The implication, this is really creepy, but it is, when I'm looking at people with COVID are afraid to get the vaccine, or people are like, you know, we have this fucking thing, it's probably a bioweapon,
00:33:23.000man, and we got this thing, and people gathering together, you know, when it was soaring, just gathering together as sturges, you know?
00:35:11.000But I was thinking, you know, if like over zillions of years, toxoplasmosis can make rats get horny when they smell cat piss, couldn't someone whip some shit up in the laboratory that makes people just,
00:35:28.000I don't know, like a certain kind of sneaker?
00:36:10.000But you know, man, to get back to your idea of shit, it feels like there is something that we haven't quite figured out yet when it comes to gene expression and the way that it gets genes mutate and the way evolution happens.
00:36:22.000Similarly, with language and with data, We aren't at the place yet where we acknowledge that data is as much of a drug or a virus as anything else.
00:37:06.000And the effect that they have is so profound that, yeah, I wonder how laws would change if we start reframing what information is as more of a living thing.
00:37:21.000It's more of a thing that lives in the mind and jumps from one person to the next, but it's actually kind of alive.
00:37:28.000Kind of not, but it's sort of a living thing.
00:38:37.000That's why we moan and we talk about materialism and how fucking shallow the world is because we recognize there's a disconnect between the things that are valuable to humans and the things that just make more things.
00:38:51.000They're valuable because they allow more things to be created.
00:38:54.000Well, then you go, well, what the fuck are these things?
00:38:56.000What are these things and how'd they trick us into loving them so much?
00:39:40.000No, I haven't, but I can only imagine.
00:39:41.000Someone who used to work at MKUltra got a job at Apple and was like, look, why don't you try this thing that we did during Project Stargate and we'll make this thing.
00:39:52.000And then suddenly you get this Apple commercial.
00:40:45.000And like every once in a while, like today was their big keynote thing, but every once in a while the wizards show, behold the new spirits we've summoned, and then, you know, shows it to the villagers and we're all like, oh my god,
00:41:01.000look at that glowing cube of Anaxanax!
00:41:29.000As it starts, it's what he's describing.
00:41:32.000All these little emojis are looking at this.
00:41:35.000This is a spell of hypnosis 17. They're going to get you to accept those as your avatars and you're going to be more comfortable with them than your real skin.
00:41:43.000Then they're going to give you the option three or four phones from now to actually become that avatar permanently.
00:41:48.000And your old skin, you can always go back to your old skin temporarily, but only as long as you have battery life.
00:41:55.000Because in real life, you have to make the swap.
00:42:08.000I mean, you just described one of the stories of how humans incarnate in this dimension as you pick your incarnation.
00:42:17.000Maybe that is part of why we're so obsessed with gender and race.
00:42:22.000Maybe we're going to get to a point, maybe the universe is priming us, and we're going to get to a point very soon where you can really swap out your gender and race.
00:42:32.000You really can change what you are because you're just electricity going through your fucking brain connected to some machine by some weird interface and now they figured that interface out and you will live the life of whoever you want.
00:42:48.000Whether you want to be tall or short, whether you're a person who decides you want to experience life in poverty, whether you want to experience life as a genius, whether you want to be a girl or a boy, gay or straight, black or white, Asian, whatever the fuck you want, you can do it all.
00:43:03.000Anytime you want, you can go back and forth.
00:43:18.000Kurzweil's got this definition of humans in there that's so beautiful, and I'm gonna butcher it, but it's essentially like, you know, he's got a lot of definitions of humans.
00:43:26.000Some of them are really amazing, like...
00:43:29.000Something like self-replicating, nano-replicator or something.
00:43:34.000But, like, the other description is humans are things that...
00:43:39.000Because in there, people ask, like, okay, if we learn to use nanobots to decode us and, like...
00:43:50.000You know, not just transform our bodies, but, you know, merge humans with other humans.
00:43:55.000You know, theoretically, entire collectives of people could merge together as superorganisms with one personality.
00:44:01.000But what are we going to be after that?
00:44:03.000And he says, what humans are are creatures that like to push past all boundaries.
00:44:08.000And so the market pressure that is going into, like, people spending all the money they spend to build these insane fucking phones...
00:44:18.000That is the thing that's pushing us towards that point.
00:44:24.000I didn't realize this until I was reading it recently, because somehow when I was reading the Singularity shit before, I used to imagine, oh, we have a choice in this.
00:44:32.000Like, humans as a whole just put the brakes on and be like, you know what?
00:44:36.000Let's slow down on the Singularity project thing.
00:45:00.000And all this stuff that's causing all this fucking turmoil in society is related to humans coming to this weird point of freedom where we might not have to be what we were born as in any way.
00:46:21.000Like isn't this what we're thinking about just ego that like people have gone through this intense laborious process to become the greatest tennis player of all time?
00:46:31.000But if you could just get there through technology, isn't it?
00:46:34.000It's I mean I get that there's like all these signals of discipline and all these signals of being something special But it seems like that's just because it's hard to do, right?
00:46:45.000There's a thing that's going on here where it's like we're praising things that are hard to do because it's an ethic, right?
00:46:53.000And we think it's definitely positive.
00:46:54.000The things that are hard to do make you a better person.
00:46:57.000But we're basing that on the idea that that's the only way to make you a better person.
00:47:02.000Like, that just taking these downloads and all of a sudden learning how to play concert piano or learning how to do kung fu or learning how to do calculus, like, instantaneously adds to your database.
00:47:14.000Maybe you just become the same version or even maybe a better version of a better person because you're not constantly bitter about struggle.
00:47:21.000Because one of the things that sucks about really famous people or really successful people or really exceptionally accomplished people is they want you to know.
00:47:30.000When they want you to know, and I think we've all been guilty of it, and I know I've been guilty of it for sure, where I was happy about certain success and I bragged about it.
00:47:42.000And in retrospect, it's probably gross, but in the moment I was being celebratory.
00:47:50.000That is a thing where when people are trying to do something and it's difficult to do, when someone does something like that, we admire them because they made it through.
00:47:59.000But ultimately, the benefit's supposed to be that it makes them somehow or another a better version of what they were.
00:48:04.000With everything they do, whether they climb Mount Everest or write a novel.
00:48:07.000Hard things make you a more interesting person.
00:48:10.000Everybody that I know has gone through some interesting shit, and it's one of the things that I love most about comics.
00:48:15.000Because I know the emotional rollercoaster ride that it takes to become a competent comedian.
00:48:20.000Where you're working professional, it's fucking crazy.
00:48:23.000And then to do what we do, what you and I do, which is even weirder, where you're just thinking out loud in front of the world, which is fucking bananas.
00:50:37.000Well, I want to earn it on my own fucking back.
00:50:40.000But that would be, so that would be one of the big controversies, which is like, okay, so we've got one league of baseball players that achieved their ability to play baseball through a combination of skill and talent and practice,
00:51:48.000But that's the problem, is because you're going to have a group of people that rejects becoming whatever this thing is, and those people, they're gonna say things like, we're being ostracized,
00:52:04.000we're being pushed to the side, and it's like, well, kind of, but also what's happening is, You don't want to adapt, and the history of evolution is adaptation, for better or for worse.
00:52:17.000It might be better to be a primordial person who hasn't done gene therapy, who hasn't transformed their genetics, which is coming.
00:52:28.000The new vaccines are part of that, but the thing that's coming, because that shit sped stuff up.
00:53:16.000Cancer which I'm quite excited about because I had it and you know having had it it's like you it's it's it's any any Advancement in that realm is like exciting because it took my mom too and obviously for not just my own selfish ass But everybody out there is contending with it,
00:53:32.000but like you're this is going to be Every you know few years there's gonna be a thing where it's like yeah, you don't want it Okay, you don't have to get it But the more you don't get it and then when it gets to intelligence man When it gets to just like, you know, or what if you want to give your workers genetic therapy that makes them faster,
00:53:53.000you know, or smarter or whatever, you know what I mean?
00:57:48.000But yeah, if you look at, so the big controversy right now is virology gain-of-function research, which is taking some fucking virus, altering a little bit, and sometimes you need to do that to study it, right?
00:59:40.000And so in this dimension, that's like the coronaviruses, but not just the coronaviruses, Ebola, not just Ebola, like all the possible things we might have to worry about, the avian bird flu, right?
00:59:53.000If you're like in one of these labs, you need to study it, but you gotta study it in a living thing that is easier to study than whatever it came from.
01:00:02.000Gain of function, make it so that it infects mice, right?
01:00:05.000Now you can put it in mice and start studying the way it works in living organisms, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
01:00:11.000So that's gain of function research, right?
01:00:13.000So like virologists, so now there's like a moratorium on it, at least I hope there is very strict, but virologists are kind of like, look, We have to do gain of function if we're going to study the shit that's coming because we want to try to at least begin the process of making a vaccine,
01:00:32.000understanding how it's going to affect civilization so that if it does come, if the demon comes out of hell, we know the spell is to cast.
01:00:39.000That's the reason we got the COVID vaccines.
01:01:19.000A virus that kills every one of its victims by wiping out part of their immune system has been accidentally created by an Australian research team.
01:01:46.000But the reason they're working on it is because you would rather understand it in a laboratory than all of a sudden mousepox naturally mutates And suddenly, shit tons of people are just dying, and we have no idea how to deal with it.
01:02:12.000It's like, how do you understand how a virus mutates other than making it mutate yourself, and you do it in this really safe, contained environment.
01:02:50.000It's like if you go back throughout humanity, we hit a bunch of fucking pit stops.
01:02:55.000Where things went real bad, and we had to restart the whole race.
01:02:59.000And I think at times, human beings got down to, because of natural disasters, just a few thousand people.
01:03:05.000And for sure, because of plagues, the human race probably got dropped down to multiple times, like half of what it used to be, or a third of what it used to be.
01:04:32.000You go from a million people to 7,000.
01:04:35.000The sky becomes black with soot as this volcano bursts fire into the sky and it drowns out all the sun, kills all the plants, you have no food, animals starve to death.
01:05:04.000It would be nice if when you're watching Fox News or whatever the left or the right fucking propaganda mechanism is, Every once in a while they would just admit, they're like, we don't know what we're talking about, y'all!
01:06:13.000One of the things that could have created it.
01:06:15.000It was a core sample thing, too, though, right?
01:06:16.000Yeah, there were other animals that have gotten down there, too, so I was just like, I stumbled across this.
01:06:21.000A new study of DNA suggests North America was originally populated by just a few dozen people who crossed a land bridge from Asia during the last Ice Age.
01:06:30.000About 14,000 years ago, humans crossed the Bering Land Bridge from Siberia to North America.
01:06:40.000Yeah, somebody pointed me to something.
01:06:43.000Somebody sent me a thing saying, why is this racist?
01:06:46.000People think that some folks, like colonists, believe that people came here across the Bering Land Bridge and populated North America, where some folks think there was Native people just here, period.
01:06:59.000Like there was Native people everywhere.
01:07:01.000And I gotta admit, I never even thought about it until somebody said that, because if there were Native people in South America, For sure.
01:07:09.000Do we believe that all the Native people in North America and South America walked down from Siberia?
01:07:54.000Well, by the way, during that time, 14,000 years ago, you know it was alive on that Bering land bridge that they think kept people from crossing over sooner?
01:08:38.000They believe that the asteroids slammed into the planet, and there's real proof of that in terms of when they do core samples, according to these guys, in that range of when the Ice Age ends.
01:08:51.000There's all this nuclear glass that indicates there was some sort of impacts all over the place, all throughout Asia and Europe.
01:12:36.000Like, the Buddha figure, I have a bunch of Buddhas, I have different Ganeshes and all these different things from Thailand and China and I'm obsessed with that shit.
01:13:46.000Because it sounds like bullshit, but it's true.
01:13:48.000She just remembered this other time, and she apparently identified aspects of that culture that they didn't believe at that point, but then later they realized she was right.
01:14:01.000Or maybe she's crazy and she wants attention and this is what she does.
01:14:04.000In order to be like the coolest version of the people that study Egypt, she pretends that in another life she lived there.
01:14:56.000Well, look, I mean, regardless, I do think, like...
01:14:59.000From my perspective, that's just good karma.
01:15:04.000We call it whatever you want to call it, but to be sort of...
01:15:06.000I think anything that you're drawn to like that, whether it's like, you know, religious imagery or whether it's a style of literature or whatever, you're supposed to...
01:16:06.000My first psychedelic trip ever, there was an infinite number of Buddhas in a lotus position.
01:16:12.000There were these golden Buddhas floating around.
01:16:16.000They represented perfect symmetry with the way they were seated.
01:16:19.000Because they're seated in a lotus position, and from the top of their head, the peak of their head, it went straight down, and they were floating and moving all around in synchronicity, and I was like, whoa!
01:16:35.000This is the first thing I remember about the DMT experience, the first one with the Golden Buddha, which is literally why I got this tattoo.
01:16:42.000Because it was one of the most profound moments of my life.
01:16:46.000Because it was the first time where I felt 100% clear that there was no room for bullshitting anybody.
01:16:54.000You can get by with charisma, and you can say things the right way, and you can pretend, and maybe have a little bit of luck, and maybe have some genetic gifts for certain things, but who are you?
01:18:05.000And I remember I just grabbed a cookie bag and fucking swung it out.
01:18:08.000But when the cookies went flat out, I felt so bad.
01:18:11.000And that was one of the first times that I had ever made an epic mistake, where everybody around me wanted these cookies.
01:18:17.000Because we were in New Jersey, and there was these delis, or bakeries rather, that would make bread, and we'd go with my grandfather all the time to get bread, and we would get cookies and little pastries, and I would look forward to them so much.
01:20:43.000I think when I get the most ultimate cancellation and then all the other celebrities aren't willing to come on the podcast anymore, just you and me.
01:21:26.000The problem with Twitter is the same problem with how easy it is to pretend you're a person on Twitter because it's so impersonal and so little of you comes through in text that it's easy to start thinking of people like their text It's easy to say mean things or be disrespectful or dismissive or completely lack compassion.
01:21:50.000And as a person who's been the subject of it, it's fascinating.
01:21:53.000And my strategy has always been like, I'm just going to just not pay attention to this.
01:21:58.000Because I don't want to argue with anybody.
01:22:00.000I genuinely try to be the best person I can be, and like all of us, I'm flawed.
01:22:04.000And I know what my intentions are, and I know how I try to go about business and life, and I try to be as nice as possible.
01:22:12.000So when I see people communicating the way they communicate on Twitter, I'm like, there is no way that that syncs up with my view of the world, and I can't argue on it either.
01:22:23.000Like, if you argue on Twitter, then you're synced up to this really low vibration.
01:22:35.000Occasionally, you learn some really interesting stuff.
01:22:38.000You see a funny meme, someone informs you about a documentary or a book that you really, you read it and like, holy shit, thank you so much.
01:22:48.000But it also harbors so much negative thinking.
01:22:52.000It's so bad for the people that are slinging that shit.
01:22:55.000You're just thinking about it all day long.
01:22:57.000That's all they're thinking about, and they're engaged in some sort of verbal battle.
01:23:02.000And the problem is I know a lot of them independently, right?
01:23:05.000So I know I'm outside of Twitter, and I'm talking to them, and they're on medication, and they're doing all kinds of weird things to deal with their anxiety, and I'm like, hey man, do you ever think part of that?
01:23:15.000Might be this battleground you're engaging in, this impersonal, emotionless battleground where it's 70% insults.
01:23:40.000And you know, it's weird, because again, this is stuff you hear, this is stuff that anyone could say, but somehow when it's coming out of the Dalai Lama, who, by the way, has this translator who's been with him forever, and you see those two on stage together, and then you will understand what Buddhism looks like, because it's not serious,
01:23:57.000it's not heavy, they're talking to each other to translate, they're laughing to each other as they're translating.
01:24:03.000It's just so in the moment and fun, and you look at that and you're like, Oh, that's not the boring thing that I thought it was.
01:24:11.000This is alive and sweet and fun, and they're enjoying what they're doing.
01:24:17.000But one of the things that came up was this issue of when someone insults you, when someone says something shitty to you.
01:24:26.000And I don't remember the question, but someone's asking this question.
01:24:29.000The way the Dalai Lama put it was, they don't know you, number one, but what you're seeing is an echo.
01:24:35.000Someone did that to them, it got inside of them, and then it is echoing.
01:24:40.000They're like the wall of a weird, infinite, geometric cave, and this wave of negativity is bouncing off of them, bouncing to you, and you have a choice to react to it as though it were real.
01:24:55.000And if you do, you become solid enough to bounce it onto somebody else or realize what it is.
01:25:03.000Once you realize that, you don't feel as defensive.
01:25:07.000If it's a person attacking you and you feel like, I've got to defend against this person, but if you realize, really, Most people, when they're saying shitty things to other people, they don't know that person because they don't know themselves.
01:25:23.000Well, the problem is even if they do, like Louis C.K. said something that's really appropriate here.
01:25:32.000He goes, it seems like it's different because it's written down, but it's just talk, which is one of the most ultimate Louis C.K. things to say.
01:25:39.000People have always just said crazy shit, but it didn't necessarily mean anything.
01:25:43.000But now, because it's written down, all of a sudden we think it means something, but it's basically just people talking shit, right?
01:25:49.000But they're talking shit, and some people...
01:25:52.000Unfortunately, it's like too much of their life.
01:25:54.000I've been around too many people where they're hanging out with you in the middle of the day, and then they pull up Twitter, and you see their eyes gloss over, and they start arguing with someone on Twitter, and then they check it every five...
01:26:43.000It's not so much the, you know, micro moments of feeling butt hurt because someone that you will never meet decided to say the meanest thing anyone ever said to you.
01:26:56.000But what really sucks is all those moments when you're completely glue-trapped into this technological opiate and you're not interacting with people around you.
01:27:06.000And then also you're carrying the weight of whatever the particular thing is like, my god, it's not like everyone out there is just like, you know, there's some precise archers of pain out there.
01:27:21.000We're not talking about a shotgun scanner.
01:27:44.000But see, this is the difference between those Buddhas you saw and humans.
01:27:48.000Because a human identifies that thing and, number one, pretends that it's weird that another human should have a...
01:27:57.000Flaw, a paradox, a fucking contradiction, that they're not perfect.
01:28:03.000And then for whatever reason, we'll also think, because you're not perfect in this specific way, I'm going to fucking do everything I can to expose and hurt you.
01:28:12.000Whereas those things that you saw, they love you anyway.
01:28:51.000So like any given person has within them stuff they're not proud of, but not just not proud of like you'll admit it on a podcast, you know, like, man, I just love to like suck a woman's feet while I jerk off.
01:29:46.000And then, this is where aggression comes from.
01:29:48.000It's because you are pretending you're Something.
01:29:53.000And that takes so much energy, too, because you always have to, like, avert your eyes from this aspect of yourself that you consider to be subpar or whatever.
01:30:02.000And so this produces all this aggression, but because you're not looking at it in yourself, you see it in someone else.
01:30:08.000So now it's all reflected all around you.
01:30:11.000Your entire life has become a disco ball upon which the shit you don't want to look at is being reflected back at you over and over and over again.
01:31:10.000And so when you start looking at the entirety of what you are, You stop focusing on the Hawaii side and give some equal attention to the fucking Mordor side and in that you become a real person and all of a sudden the people around you that you used to think were fucking like you know assholes or out to get you or this or that You stop seeing it in them anymore,
01:31:33.000and the reason is because you've acknowledged it in yourself.
01:31:35.000This is the idea, and then maybe you can become like those Buddhas you saw.
01:31:39.000Because when you've done that with yourself, and you see someone who thinks they're being clever and hiding the fucking thing, and the way I think I'm hiding my bald spot because I can't see it, and then when I'm trying on clothes, I see it in the mirror, and I'm like, oh my god!
01:32:40.000Do you think that this and this new ability to discuss shit like this, like where in pop culture did this conversation ever get to take place up until now?
01:32:52.000In terms of the past, in terms of like, if you wanted to reach millions of people, how the fuck could you do this on VH1? How the fuck could you do this on MTV? Oh, right.
01:33:33.000There's a thing where the engine that tries to improve your life can get out of control and start gobbling up things it doesn't necessarily need to.
01:34:19.000But in the very beginning, she says these people, they take up this process of meditation because they want to become better people.
01:34:26.000This is an aggression to yourself as you are right now.
01:34:29.000It goes back to this idea of like, the thing here, and this is not to say, so therefore we don't improve, but the idea is like, right now, what happens if, because the thing you're talking about, the tortured mind, the way the mind produces thoughts,
01:34:46.000the way the tongue salivates, it just produces an infinite form of thoughts, an array of thoughts, many of which are completely mundane, some of which are horrible, It's horrifying, some of which are just basic day-to-day bullshit that you have to do, but it's always doing this thought production situation within which is encapsulated all of your neuroses,
01:35:05.000all of your complexes, all the things that you feel awful about, all the karmic shit from your whole life, right?
01:35:11.000So if you begin to realize, oh shit, that's in me, but I'm not sure it is me, And then you start attacking it.
01:35:19.000In other words, you're like, try to fix it.
01:35:55.000Like right now, where are you at and why are you there?
01:35:57.000Are you there because you just got kicked out of your parents' house and you're trying to get back on your feet?
01:36:02.000Or are you there because you're 40 and you've made every wrong decision over and over and over again and you're mad at everybody around you but you're not mad at yourself?
01:36:12.000Yes, and the invitation here is instead of coming to that conclusion, which is called waking up out of a dream, you wake up, you're like, oh my fucking God.
01:37:24.000You know, so the idea is, it's really an intense idea, and these days it's weirdly controversial, and there's certain times when it's not the right thing to say to people, but essentially the idea is where you're at is perfect.
01:37:42.000After the one minute you can go back to whipping yourself with the fucking belt of your mind because you didn't make the right choices or you're a bad boy or a bad girl.
01:37:51.000But for a minute, play around with the idea that where you're at is perfect.
01:37:58.000You're there in the same way people go to a gym.
01:38:01.000Because this situation is going to teach you everything you need to know about the universe and start living your life from that perspective.
01:38:09.000So in other words, you don't become passive and think, oh, this is perfect.
01:38:12.000I'm addicted to fucking meth and my apartment is covered in cat shit.
01:38:17.000No, it doesn't mean you just leave it like that, but instead of beating yourself up for it, just allow that to be perfect and then see how you start acting.
01:38:29.000You know, man, when I've started taking these fucking vitamins and, like, you know, I've been drinking more water and trying to eat better because the pandemic, I got a little unhealthy and now I'm feeling, like, good.
01:38:40.000And when I'm feeling good, I'm nicer to people.
01:40:05.000It's fucking awful, if you're me, but to be fully honest, that was when I was addicted to ketamine, so I was on a bit of a rampage, man, I will admit, so it's hard to say it was necessarily because of ketamine.
01:41:49.000Well, look, you know, man, I think these days the big trick is just kind of temporarily...
01:41:58.000Give up the project of crucifying all the people that you view as being, like, villainous, and realize that you've kind of been crucifying yourself, and you're not fooling anybody.
01:42:10.000We all know that you have been tormenting yourself, and really you've been so hard.
01:43:13.000And so, anyway, all I'm saying is, like, damn, on a planetary level...
01:43:18.000Take, you don't have to tell anyone you're doing it, but let's fucking have a little, like, a little armistice, like on that Christmas Eve when the, I think it was the French and the Germans, it was Christmas Eve.
01:43:29.000They all played football together or whatever they played?
01:43:31.000Let's have a little armistice and for a second, like, just...
01:43:35.000Give yourself an hour of not thinking you're the most secretly rotten piece of shit that ever wandered across the planet and just realize you deserve all the love in the world and where you're at is just great and like you're great and I know no matter what you're like someone's listening to this who's like actively who's probably got a bowl of like hot dog shit they're just They're just eating it.
01:44:01.000But even that, just give yourself a break.
01:44:04.000I'm not saying start some bullshit sweet nonsense like be nicer to the people around you.
01:44:10.000I'm saying just give yourself a 30 minute respite from the never ending constant secret self-loathing horror you've been subjecting yourself to because that's going to be a great 30 minutes.
01:44:25.000Yeah, and if you can do that, you'll probably have this inclination towards, like, spreading that to other people.
01:44:31.000I would say that could be an inevitable result of that, but even if it's not, even if you immediately go back to like...
01:49:38.000That might be artificial intelligence from Russia that created some video to try to make us think that some people out there are really mad about Elon.
01:50:01.000Yeah, see, anybody can make a video and say, I'm anonymous, and I think that Elon Musk should eat shit, or I'm gonna blow the planet up.
01:50:11.000How many times, honestly, how many times have you secretly thought I'm gonna make an anonymous video?
01:50:17.000I mean, who the fuck is the anonymous spokesperson?
01:51:20.000Think about what happened with just right here in Texas when the power went out for a week and everybody panicked.
01:51:28.000Think of what would have happened if the power grid collapsed.
01:51:32.000Like they said, it was like minutes away from collapsing.
01:51:35.000Think of what would happen if that's nationwide.
01:51:37.000Think of what would happen if somehow or another China or Russia figured out a way to collapse our power grid through some sort of computer device.
01:51:46.000Think about instead of China or Russia, one rogue hacker that decided he wanted to do it.
01:52:00.000This is why, this is one of the Fermi Paradox things, man, which is like, if you look at human personalities, most of us, when we get a technology, we're totally cool with it.
01:52:46.000But one tiny percentage of us is so insane that we're going to take that fucking thing and ruin it for everybody else.
01:52:54.000So that is a problem because right now it's guns and definitely computers for sure.
01:53:02.000People have already been using computers to do more than just like, I'm going to make a cool app where you can learn how to code.
01:53:10.000People have obviously been using computers, like the people who made the early computer viruses.
01:53:15.000I used to work in my computer lab at my college and I had like a cork board of viruses that I like found in computers in the early days just for fun, you know, it's cool.
01:53:25.000But like, so clearly people are going to do that with computers.
01:53:31.000Oh yeah, right now, if I wouldn't know how to get all the shit I need to have whatever a CRISPR gene editing thing is, I would never in a million years probably be able to get the stuff to do gain of function, you know, genetic engineering on things.
01:54:01.000So this is the Fermi paradox where they say, like, why aren't we seeing things out there in the universe?
01:54:06.000It's because on these planets where they developed a technology that could easily have created a utopia, there was one supreme asshole who was like, let me see what happens if I fuck with the mousepox again.
01:56:05.000Like, you feel this—I don't know, because to me, when I look at it, I think, that seems like something you should have to pay people to do.
01:56:12.000It's like you're hitting a ball, and it's like, with the tools you're using, you're horrible for— You could pick it up, but so many people have given over their entire lives to this thing, indicating it's got to be the most joyful thing on Earth.
01:58:38.000Other than like beautiful things involving people that you love dearly, like real love and emotions and real moments, like regular shit you do like watch TV is never exciting as a game of Quake.
01:58:52.000If you and I were sitting in front of two monitors, playing Quake, calling each other pussies, yelling at each other, laughing when we died, it's a cackling, ridiculous fun time.
01:59:05.000We would walk out of that studio and our fucking heart would be beaten too fast.
01:59:09.000As I've gotten into golf, this is what it's about, really.
01:59:14.000It's about hanging out with three of your friends, playing terribly, but drinking beer and talking shit for four or five hours.
01:59:20.000That's what it's really- Do you dress up in the golf wear?
01:59:33.000I need to have it explained to me, but in England and Scotland, on some of these courses, if you don't Turn in your card with your handicap correctly written with your score, you're going to be like banned from the course.
02:02:38.000There's nothing crueler you can say to an artist than to say, you know, the thing you made is not that great, but there's a universal right based on it.
02:03:35.000So that, the Blippi on the left, there was some controversy because the Blippi on the left started doing tours, saying he was going to be at the tours, but the Blippi on the right showed up at the tours.
02:03:47.000And so people were like, what the fuck?
02:05:05.000I didn't find out until five seconds after I submitted my payment and Ticketmaster refused to refund me, said Angelina Sakowski, who spent $126 on tickets to the New Jersey show.
02:05:19.000Angelina Sakowski in New Jersey would be a fucking blast to do coke with.
02:05:24.000Ticketmaster didn't seem to have any info about it being an actor on their website.
02:05:29.000The info is buried on the bottom of the frequently asked questions page on Blippi's website.
02:05:47.000What's your favorite thing about Blippi?
02:05:49.000Because what's cool about Blippi is he, like, you know, in the way you go to Walt Disney World, and Walt Disney clearly respects kids, there's, like, the toilets are the size for kids, and, like, there's a sense of, like, understanding child intelligence is astute as an adult.
02:08:51.000But this motherfucker shitting in his own friend's asshole, like, nature's not ready for that yet.
02:08:56.000Well, nature thinks it's fine because Blippi's still alive.
02:08:59.000He makes great kids videos, so it's okay.
02:09:01.000John started making gross-out videos in 2013 under the persona of Steezy Grossman, a boy who was born as Poop after his parents had anal sex.
02:09:36.000Logan Paul went eight rounds with the greatest boxer that's ever lived.
02:09:39.000Dude, I mean, like, there's no, because there's, like, you know, many people, and I think Logan Paul is aware of this, were looking forward to the satisfaction of watching Logan Paul being knocked out by a great boxer.
02:09:52.000There was a sense of, like, we are going to see the hand of justice in the world.
02:09:56.000You can't just decide you're going to fight the greatest boxer that ever lived and come out of that unscathed.
02:10:19.000I wrote an Instagram post about it today because I was genuinely...
02:10:26.000All day, I was thinking, before I got here, when I was at the gym, I was working out, and I was thinking, I was like, there's something about that that's really intriguing to me.
02:12:56.000For people that got mad at it, I get it.
02:13:00.000It's not Manny Pacquiao versus Floyd Mayweather five years ago.
02:13:04.000But what it is is one of the best boxers of all time making $100 million fighting a guy who's three feet taller than him and 35 pounds heavier than him who can't win.
02:13:22.000The fact that Floyd has the balls at 44 years old to decide, oh, I'm just going to go ahead and fight some dude who's 35 pounds heavier than me at 26 years old.
02:15:55.000He's holding on, and he's protecting himself, and he's controlling Floyd, and he's pushing his head to Floyd's chest.
02:16:02.000This is what happens when you don't get commentary from a guy like Daniel Cormier or from a guy like Teddy Atlas or Max Kellerman, Jim Lampley, all the people that really understand boxing.
02:16:16.000Andre Ward, Roy Jones Jr. Those are the people that are supposed to be commenting on boxing.
02:16:24.000I think it shows Logan Paul, for whatever reason, even though he knows he's gotten good at boxing, he didn't realize that he's become a contender.
02:16:33.000He felt weird about it, and so he had funny announcers.
02:17:16.000See, the difference between someone who tries to get really good at fighting, who's obviously a really good athlete, like Logan Paul, and someone who gets really good at chess, is you don't have any inherent advantages anymore.
02:17:27.000Because if you're a strong, fast person, you have advantages.
02:17:31.000And those advantages ultimately trip you up in your mindset of learning, right?
02:17:37.000And I realize this from martial arts, both from myself and from other people that I watched.
02:17:43.000There's certain people that they were really physically talented and ultimately it was bad for them.
02:17:49.000Because the physically talented people relied on their physical talents and didn't learn the technique as, like, cleanly as the people who weren't physically talented.
02:17:58.000There's nowhere that's more true than jujitsu.
02:18:01.000In jujitsu, the best fighters are not the most physically talented people, necessarily.
02:18:07.000The best ones to learn from are usually the smaller people.
02:18:11.000Like, Eddie Bravo was not a very big guy.
02:18:13.000You know, there's a bunch of people like that, Hoyler Gracie, not a very big...
02:21:28.000In other words, the idea is what's cool about Buddhism is it's so beautiful and the system is so beautiful that you don't want to...
02:21:35.000In the same way if you were talking about jiu-jitsu, you wouldn't want to say a thing about how to train that was slanted a little bit because you wouldn't want to hinder someone's ability to become good at jiu-jitsu.
02:21:50.000So there's this idea of like, it's samsara and nirvana, like in other words, like confusion and enlightenment are wrapped up together, right?
02:22:01.000Or bliss and suffering are actually the same thing.
02:22:05.000Well, you know, in jujitsu, they're connected, like teaching and improving are radically connected.
02:26:05.000It's a great account to follow, but all I'm saying is the reason when I'm saying that I'm confused regarding Buddhism is because I would never in a million years want to be the person professing to know a thing they don't understand.
02:26:21.000And I think it's important in both Jujutsu and any kind of path that there has to be some acknowledgement that there are actual teachers There is a way of conveying the ideas that has been evolved over thousands of years that is the best way to convey the ideas.
02:26:40.000And then there's also people like us who just love talking about it, but it's good to make a distinction because at least you alert people if you wanted to go deep into it.
02:32:01.000But the point is, if you could just be yourself, And whatever's stopping you from being yourself, figure out how to control that and then be yourself again.
02:32:11.000But don't give in to that thing and stop being yourself.
02:32:15.000One of the main problems I've had with this podcast as it keeps growing is people expect me to be someone different now.
02:32:29.000Okay, if I can't do that, look, I can talk to brilliant people and ask them the best questions I can ask them and try to provide you with an insight into how I'm looking at whatever particular weirdness I'm talking about on the podcast.
02:32:44.000But I can't change just because a lot of people are watching, more people are going to complain.
02:33:15.000Like, here's the thing about cancel culture, right?
02:33:18.000A lot of it is like people looking at what they think of...
02:33:22.000Cancel culture reacts differently on different individuals, just like a lot of things do.
02:33:27.000And if you're in a situation where you can get fired, right?
02:33:30.000Like you're working for a major network, and if you get criticized, you do something terrible, and a bunch of other people chime in, and then other people can lose their jobs, right?
02:33:38.000Like different people that are directors or executives or like...
02:34:13.000It's like, you do your shit, I'll do mine.
02:34:15.000And when it comes to someone expressing their self about the nature of the world they see, It's really important, if you want to resonate with people, that you come with no pretense.
02:34:52.000That's what my teacher's teacher used to say about meditation.
02:34:56.000Yes, touch and go, which is like the way we relate with our thoughts is so funny you would say that.
02:35:02.000So the idea is like when you're meditating, the way I meditate, there's a lot of ways about it.
02:35:08.000The way I meditate is you put your attention on your breath and then when you find yourself lost in thoughts, you go thinking.
02:35:16.000And return your attention to your breath.
02:35:17.000So this is basic mindfulness meditation, but the idea is you're not suppressing...
02:35:23.000So in other words, if all of a sudden I'm thinking about some vivid memory from when I was six that I haven't had, it's not like you're like...
02:37:13.000And so what ends up happening is something that, in the moment, if you freeze that moment in time, And lay that as the only reality of what this person is.
02:37:23.000Oh my god, you've got a monster, friends.
02:37:26.000But if you recognize this is a process, you're looking at like a process.
02:37:31.000This is one part of a process that maybe, I know you don't believe this, but I do, extends through lifetimes.
02:37:53.000The problem with, like, right now, the problem is, like, people are getting confused regarding their identity.
02:37:58.000So people are beginning to think their identity is a singular thing, and they're not willing to admit that they're a process.
02:38:04.000And so it's fundamentally, like, disastrous to Imagine this is the case, you know, it's like you look at a tree, you're seeing the process of a seed.
02:38:15.000That's not a tree, that's a river of molecules flowing into time that looks like a fucking tree.
02:38:22.000It used to be a seed that a bird shit out and it's like if you look at some of the most majestic trees and imagine that at some point that was in like a crow's asshole.
02:38:37.000So I think the problem right now is we gotta acknowledge that we're all a process.
02:38:43.000And if as part of that process, someone is manifesting aggressive traits that are fucking with society, the answer is not to imagine this is who this person is, but to recognize, oh, this is something you're going through right now.
02:39:00.000This is a display right And also recognize you could be that person if you live their life.
02:41:30.000If you were that kid who became that abused person in a shelter at 14, who became that kid on the street at 16, who is now in a tent by the lake.
02:42:44.000So you look at that and, like, subtract everything other than that Feeling in a person which is like I know you're me and I know you're me in a different timeline and so I'm gonna I guess I'm gonna I'm gonna trust the process and let you do this thing and then you get this collision between that and the other versions of you who are on the same timeline or on a different timeline that are like I Yeah,
02:44:33.000So he said the idea is like when in compassion or in thinking of other people, and God, I'm sorry, Bob Thurman, if I'm misquoting you or something, this is how I remember it.
02:44:42.000It's not like I'm looking at you and thinking, God, what if I was in that person's shoes?
02:44:46.000It's like you're looking at them and thinking, that's me.
02:44:55.000And so in this mindset, this is where you start making decisions.
02:44:59.000And so it's radical and wild because it's not like you do the thing where you're like, God, it'd be rough to be in that person's situation as me.
02:45:07.000You're thinking, I'm looking at me right now.
02:45:51.000You can disagree with someone if it's you living another life, but if you really felt like it was you living another life and you're talking to them, you would have more compassion than they were.
02:46:58.000If you were them, but it's hard for us.
02:47:02.000We're always looking at other human beings like, this guy's going to hurt me, or he's going to steal, or she's going to take, and this person's going to do something bad to me.
02:47:11.000But if we could get across the idea that we're all the same thing, exactly, living different versions, Of the same life.
02:47:20.000Like literally, the life is a thing, and the life goes through different personalities, like a river goes through creeks, right?
02:47:29.000Like the ocean filters into a river, and it goes through creeks.
02:47:34.000That's what the life does, and the life does this with...
02:47:37.000With all different colors and races and sexual orientations and proclivities and hobbies and intellect levels and it just goes through all those things.
02:47:49.000And the key is recognizing that at the core of who you are is the same thing as the core of everybody else.
02:47:57.000It's just that thing is powering different meat vehicles with different personalities and different loyalties to states.
02:48:24.000You put a magnet on your dick and hope you get struck by lightning.
02:48:27.000I'm going to vote for the second of those three possibilities.
02:48:35.000What you just described by the way, it's such a beautiful reality and it's hard for people to understand that a lot of people feel very defensive when they hear a thing like that.
02:48:49.000Well because the problem is that there's a narrative happening right now and the narrative generally involves some form of Overcoming another person.
02:49:03.000So it's like, what's that thing I think Voltaire said?
02:49:07.000Not that I should succeed, but that my friend should fail.
02:49:14.000And so a lot of people who've invested their entire lives in a perceived being better than this person or that person, they've put a lot of energy into Into a really horrific mode of existence that isn't really making them happy.
02:49:29.000But I think that's one of the big secrets.
02:49:32.000People will have great achievements and then they'll find themselves in this weird enclave of other people who have all these great achievements.
02:49:42.000And at the end of the day, God, I said at the end of the day, I hate that saying, but literally at the end of the day, they feel so sad and empty and lonely and broken and numb, but they don't want to say it out loud.
02:51:02.000One of them is called Sharon Salzberg.
02:51:04.000I repeat this saying she has to myself every other day, which is, the healing is in the return.
02:51:11.000Meaning that if you fucked up for 50 years straight and you've been making the wrong decision every day for 50 years and your ego has become so invested in this pattern that you're stuck, what she's saying is all those 50 years of going off track,
02:51:31.000the moment that you admit it and you're like, oh fuck, that was wrong, that was not the way I want to be, and go back to where you were at It's the most glorious reunion with a you that you forgot even existed.
02:53:04.000And of course I saw the new King Kong.
02:53:06.000My point is, you look at that person and you look at them and you're like, that could be me if I'd eat more edibles before this plane took off.
02:53:15.000But that doesn't mean you're like, so go in the cockpit.
02:53:36.000I think all this is dependent, like the reason why these conflicts exist, like what you're just talking about, is dependent upon whether or not people have embraced the idea that we're all the same thing.
02:53:48.000If we embrace the idea that we're all the same thing, if we could just figure out a way to use that and just put it in the back of your head.
02:55:47.000Dude, I just had my friend Jason Louv on the show, because I'm trying to get him to talk about aliens.
02:55:53.000He's so smart, and he's getting into, it's probably a distraction, but every once in a while he's saying to me, do you want to believe, Duncan?
02:56:54.000This is all tracked by multiple sources, including the best weapons system the fucking Navy has to offer.
02:57:02.000And you've got commanders like a guy like David Fravor, who is literally a Top-notch fighter jet pilot who has a deep understanding of these weapon systems, and they're locking in on this thing that looks like a Tic Tac, and it zooms away at what they estimate be thousands of miles an hour.
02:58:14.000But the point is they're talking and so he understands this kind of crazy super technical lingo and he indulges David Fravor in this explanation of the weapon systems that they use and the visual systems and all the different things that can shuttle back and forth between different sources.
02:59:24.000I can send you this one thing, Jamie, because there's this one guy who does a really good job of this.
02:59:30.000There's one guy that Jeremy Corbell sent me, and this guy does a really good job of explaining why there's no way that these things, whatever the fuck they are, could be like a goose.
03:01:07.000And he's basically explaining how sophisticated and complicated these systems are.
03:01:12.000And one of the things he used, if it was not on this video, it was on another.
03:01:16.000He said catching one of those things on one of these weapon systems just randomly without any other input, whether it's radar or any communications from something else, would be like finding a person, Through a straw.