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00:02:38.000But I will smoke, maybe I'll have one or two during the day, but at night, because I like to talk and bullshit.
00:02:44.000So if I have a captive audience of people, like at my house, in my backyard, or at the comedy store if we're all standing in the parking lot, Whatever it is, it's just the smoking.
00:02:58.000I was in Denver, and when it's humid, you don't want to smoke.
00:04:28.000It's like, you know, you see the obviously like, you know, movies where there's a spaceship and then like there's a little module that just detaches from the spaceship.
00:05:30.000And when I was an addict, I would wake up and I would take two Percocet and I would get a bacon, egg and cheese sandwich in Long Island and a cup of coffee and then drive to my mortgage job.
00:05:40.000I was like 20, 21. And I would smoke cigarettes.
00:06:50.000It's so nice inside, too, and super comfortable, and the fucking screen goes like the dashboard is one giant screen, there's another giant screen to the left.
00:10:06.000It's just, when I grew up, when I was a young boy, the cars that I would see, like when I worked at a gas station that would drive by, they were always American muscle cars.
00:10:51.000It's appreciation of American art is what it is.
00:10:54.000That was probably one of the best eras in America, and if you look at the architecture, that mid-century modern architecture where you can find it in Palm Springs and parts of California and everywhere, but it's really concentrated there, that was the era when we were killing it across the board.
00:11:23.000So when you go back to that era, it's kind of cool to look at things that were made in that era when we really believed we were at our zenith.
00:11:30.000We didn't know it, but when you look back at that, obviously it wasn't, you know, people didn't have rights and things weren't nice, but just speaking strictly about the materials and the things we were making, we were top of the line.
00:11:42.000But at least there was a recognition that people didn't have rights and it was wrong and they were trying to change it for the first time.
00:13:54.000If instead of putting my mother in a mental institution and medicating her, we said, all of your ideas are great, and here's a profile in Rolling Stone, we'd have a real problem.
00:15:21.000Something's wrong, but it's wrong in a mild way where they can justify this weird thing, especially at this time in society, where we'll tolerate this.
00:15:33.000I think people are going to be transracial.
00:15:35.000I think in the next few years, transracialism is going to be fully embraced, and then we're going to have black folks on our side, because they're going to go, hey!
00:16:54.000It's wild to think that we're approaching that time, but we probably are.
00:17:01.000In a few years, we're definitely going to have transracialism.
00:17:04.000We're going to talk about this in two years.
00:17:06.000There's going to be groups that are designed to help transracial people.
00:17:12.000There's going to be transracial people that are going to try to get involved in affirmative action for transracial people.
00:17:19.000China's gonna win and the reality is at this point it's almost like they may deserve to win like this is really so scary where you go when you look at it when you watch the YouTube videos and somebody goes there's an innumerable amount of pronouns and I will tell you what I'll be called when I'll be called and this that and the other thing and you watch people argue about this and you go here's the new language we've invented overnight and you look at wrestling with all this stuff and The idea that we're now here
00:17:49.000where people are going, we're at transracialism.
00:18:19.000Or fluid, or does it matter, is, in essence, kind of homophobic.
00:18:24.000It's basically saying gay people don't exist, or their preferences are somehow bigoted, but it's like, no, biologically, there are people that are attracted to what, like, I was in Texas, I met some lesbian, one of them that didn't kick me off Airbnb, and she was saying that Every year they go out in like the wilderness of Texas and have some lesbian festival.
00:19:49.000People are going, if you don't care about, if you go out with somebody and you care about what gender they are, you're harboring deep-seated prejudices.
00:20:09.000I mean, the people that hold these viewpoints are not, you know, the people that, like, You know, believe that the Holocaust didn't happen are not at Yale.
00:20:20.000They're, who knows, they're in a, you know, some small, they're not a powerful faction of people.
00:20:29.000The people that believe this stuff are like controlling large institutions and that's scary.
00:20:36.000It is scary and it bleeds out into corporations because then they graduate and then a lot of them go into these corporations and the corporations are dealing with, if you're hiring 20 people straight out of the university, you have 40 employees, half of your employees have been indoctrinated into this crazy Marxist,
00:20:55.000leftist, idealistic perspective that they've been taught in college by people who've never been in the real world.
00:21:02.000You take people who go from universities straight into being employed by universities, so they stay in this echo chamber, and they teach it to kids, and then these kids go and infect these universities with this crazy, woke bullshit.
00:22:55.000Mineral salt massages and hydrodermabrasion facials weren't enough to calm the nerves of some patients at the WeSpa, Koreatown Health Club.
00:23:06.000Scene of a showdown over nudity in gendered spaces after a customer confronted spa staff about a trans woman with male genitals being allowed to disrobe in the spa's female section.
00:23:16.000The ruckus was caught on camera and quickly went viral on Twitter on Sunday.
00:23:20.000Fueling a furious online debate with threats of a boycott against the spa about the rights of trans people to use women's spaces.
00:24:20.000It's okay, it's okay for a man to go into the women's section, show his penis around the other women, young little girls under age, your spa, we spa, condone that.
00:25:11.000Because now you have to go to like a court and go, who gets to...
00:25:15.000The argument about trans, which we all understand there's genuine cases of gender dysphoria and people say I'm happier in the other gender and some of those people can't afford surgeries and a lot of them want to have them.
00:25:26.000But the whole argument was like this is how seriously that trans people feel about being in the wrong body.
00:25:33.000They're willing to correct it via surgery.
00:25:37.000And the new argument is that the surgery is incidental and that your lived experience, your identity is going to be something that people are always going to have to inquire about and may change three times during the day.
00:25:59.000I mean, if you go out to a restaurant, you're supposed to go, here are my pronouns, here are his pronouns, and then the waiter's supposed to go like, here are my pronouns.
00:26:06.000And it's like, hey guys, who gives a fuck?
00:27:15.000But if non-binary, if there's no non-binary conservatives, I'm waiting for somebody to say, I am they, them, and I love my guns, and I love the cops.
00:27:26.000And then I go, oh, this is totally legit because I get it.
00:29:43.000I'm going to have an apartment in LA. I'm going to keep my house here, but I'm going to get an apartment there to kind of like, you know, I want to have a presence there too.
00:30:50.000There are a percentage of those people.
00:30:52.000I'm sure the vast majority of them are peaceful, but maybe not.
00:30:55.000But a percentage of them are engaging in criminal acts that are making other people unsafe.
00:31:02.000And all of the homicide rates in major cities have gone up in an unprecedented way.
00:31:08.000And the people that are victims of that are living in These cities, they're poor people, they take public transportation, they're vulnerable, they're elderly, and no one cares.
00:31:19.000And if you call that out, they're like, yeah, fuck you, Rush Limbaugh, whatever.
00:31:25.000These are facts, and the reality is that people that are paying the price for those are people that are not you.
00:31:31.000I saw a tweet the other day, it's a hilarious tweet, where this woman was comparing crime rates in the 1980s to what's happening in New York today and how much lower the crime rate is now, even though it's up by more than 100% of last year.
00:33:14.000What's the phrase of the day to get people to think that I'm woke?
00:33:16.000Yeah, how do I get a job on NBC's new series, you know, That Bitch Bad on Peacock?
00:33:22.000It's streaming on Peacock, and I want to write on it, and I just want to go to these parties and take Adderall in Silver Lake, Los Angeles.
00:33:43.000And that they're manipulating people psychologically by pushing the envelope for this crazy shit.
00:33:48.000Because the thing is, if you get enough people to push in a certain direction, a lot of these people that we're talking about legitimately are insane.
00:33:59.000I was looking at a guy who I know is a fucking professor who was saying that if you have sex with a 13-year-old, if that 13-year-old consents and enjoys it, who's a criminal?
00:34:12.000What are you supposed to do about this?
00:34:14.000Somebody sent me this and I was like, this is a guy who used to be on my podcast.
00:34:30.000But these kind of ideas get promoted and pushed, and it gets to the point where people start accepting this as something that you should accept.
00:34:56.000Wouldn't it be better, you'd rather have them suffer, or just put a bullet in their head while they're sleeping?
00:35:01.000You start seeing how someone could make really crazy fucking arguments for things, and you start wondering how many of these people that are pushing these crazy arguments actually believe it, and how much of it, because we know it's a certain percentage.
00:35:15.000We know for a fact, from Renee DiResta's work with the Internet Research Agency, where she's gone over these Russian troll accounts, In Russia, literally, they have a farm where there's a fucking place, a building, where people are hired to fuck with people.
00:35:29.000They're hired, they organized a Texas separatist convention across the street from a pro-Muslim convention just to facilitate a fight.
00:38:03.000It's just like you're just sitting in a restaurant, which is probably an expensive restaurant in Los Angeles, and the guy's looking around.
00:38:09.000Like the first time I went to LA to have meetings after I did the Montreal Comedy Festival, a woman pulled up in a white Bentley.
00:38:52.000And I don't know what it is, and it might take years later to find out what it is, but I think just the idea that he could win fucked people up.
00:39:00.000Well, it was a combination of events, right?
00:39:58.000There's a lot of people that believe that informants, and not just informants, but people working for the government were a part of the manipulation of the Capitol Hill attack the same way...
00:40:09.000We talked about it before recently in the podcast about there was a 19-year-old kind of dumb kid who the FBI tricked this kid into thinking that he had a bomb and detonating this bomb.
00:41:34.000When they had a trial, they put special administrative measures on the trial, meaning that you didn't hear one peep out of that trial.
00:41:41.000The cameras weren't allowed in the court.
00:41:42.000It was a very closed proceeding, and now the one guy that's alive is locked up in Florence, ADX, Colorado prison, and no one can speak to him or get to him.
00:41:51.000Clearly, every movement from Cointelpro to anything, I mean, Oklahoma City bombing, people say that McVeigh was part of a group that they were surveying and they had informants and they were trying to recruit people.
00:42:03.000And a lot of times these things go wrong organically.
00:42:06.000Or the other thing is, do they go wrong because they're allowed to go wrong or encouraged to go wrong?
00:42:12.000Well, this was the Alex Jones take, that they allowed it to go wrong so that they can install new laws and that they can institute these new laws to survey people.
00:42:22.000Yeah, Trump's speech was very incendiary.
00:42:25.000He was very much like, they're doing it in there.
00:45:28.000To the point where my wife's mom was a hippie in Haight-Ashbury back in the Diz-A. And now if you met her, she's like...
00:45:36.000Super nice grandma right you would never imagine right but back in the day She used to go to the Haight-Ashbury free clinic which was literally run by the CIA And that's where Manson and all those guys were getting acid from right and then right after Tom O'Neil's book comes out that the fucking Haight-Ashbury free clinic had been around for decades right after Tom O'Neil's book a couple months later.
00:46:07.000And then if you look at Operation Mockingbird, how far the CIA is entrenched into the media and how far all the media narratives are being sculpted by a lot of the U.S. intelligence people and then a lot of the social movements that we think are just organic grassroots movements are either started,
00:46:39.000The George Floyd riots, but there were like teams of really skilled people going in there and like there were cop cars that were like abandoned.
00:46:48.000Who's abandoning a cop car in the middle of a street before the riot?
00:46:51.000Weird things happen where you start seeing yourself like, I think the idea that chaos makes people more compliant and makes people go, hey, whatever new laws you guys need to pass, do it.
00:47:03.000How about the pallets of rocks and bricks that were left around?
00:47:18.000Take it from someone who's worked in construction.
00:47:20.000They don't just pull fucking pallets of bricks and leave them laying around where they know there's going to be riots.
00:47:26.000It's an absolute possibility that no matter what...
00:47:29.000If there is a threat to the mainstream, if there is a threat to the system...
00:47:33.000Making those people seem as extreme as humanly possible, and a lot of them are, but making them seem really crazy and really violent delegitimizes all of their good points.
00:47:44.000And what it allows is it allows people to then dismiss anything that comes from that group or that base of ideas.
00:47:56.000Did anybody ever do an investigation on the plates of the pallets of bricks, like a legitimate independent organization, do an investigation to figure out what the fuck was going on?
00:48:07.000Because so many people that were showing up at these protests, and even where there were no construction sites, would find these pallets of bricks.
00:48:20.000And then you start thinking about, you're like, oh my god, is anything real?
00:48:23.000Or are we just living in a video game that people are arranging pretty much everything?
00:48:28.000We're looking at all these events and we're thinking they're all organic.
00:48:31.000And what they allow us to do is no matter what the events are, whether it's Antifa or whether it's a Capitol riot, we just go, well, the other side is nuts.
00:48:37.000But what if it's really just a group of people kind of really helping curate this division so that they can remain in power and fuck kids on Epstein's Island?
00:48:48.000That's the most insidious possibility, right?
00:48:52.000That is the most insidious possibility.
00:48:54.000Things have gotten to the point where, you know, Antifa now, because you can get in trouble for carrying weapons, now they carry frying pans.
00:49:01.000They're hitting people over the head with frying pans.
00:49:03.000They're saying, well, we're on our way to go cook.
00:49:06.000And so they have cast iron frying pans.
00:49:34.000I found out about it from Bourdain because Bourdain had this video that he was doing, this video series he was doing on YouTube where he would go to visit people that were making things.
00:49:43.000And there was a place in Brooklyn, and they basically take, like, brake rotors, which are cast iron brake rotors, and they would melt these old rotors down and turn them into frying pans.
00:52:33.000I could do all you talked about the election or all you talked about we didn't say anything bad crazy.
00:52:38.000It was it was nuts It was like there's certain subjects where you couldn't touch and if you touch them Automatically you're and then you'd have to appeal and sometimes you'd win the appeal and sometimes you didn't here's when we found out That it was all horseshit right as soon as we switched over Spotify because when we switched over to Spotify magically All of our videos were available for monetization.
00:53:00.000So for the three months that we were on YouTube and Spotify, where it was on both, they let us monetize everything because they wanted to make the money off of it.
00:53:11.000They're like, look, he's leaving, he's going to go to Spotify.
00:53:53.000But you and her together on this show?
00:53:54.000Well, I don't think I should do it the whole time, but I think it'd be fun to interview her for five minutes and then say, Hey, Megan, I get it.
00:54:07.000And frankly, that show, you want to talk about a show that set women back, is The View.
00:54:12.000You want to talk about that show, if the CIA is engineering Antifa and fucking the Capitol riot, some crazy misogynist engineered The View.
00:54:22.000Because there's nothing worse than The View.
00:54:24.000In terms of like, there are so many brilliant women out there, none of them are on The View.
00:54:29.000None of them have gone near the set of The View.
00:54:32.000I mean, they have brought in the lowest tier of the Y chromosome?
00:54:38.000No, XX. They brought in the lowest of the XXs for that one.
00:54:45.000Yeah, did you watch the episode when Tulsi Gabbard got on to defend herself and Joy Behar starts panicking, going over her notes while Tulsi is refuting everything that she said?
00:54:53.000Yeah, I mean, Joy Behar, like, again, these people have dementia.
00:54:57.000These are people who, like, should not be allowed out of the house.
00:55:56.000I don't know, but I remember when she was making fun of the guy who got his dick chopped off and the wife threw it in the blender, or threw it in the garbage disposal, and she was laughing about what it must have looked like.
00:59:55.000And there was like a fucking serious fire.
00:59:59.000Deteriorated the whole thing, it's lit on fire, all the steel gets weakened, all the concrete gets weakened, it caves in at the top, and then one of the top floors goes, and then the whole thing caves in.
01:00:10.000Did he do a deep dive into why we left 17 pages out of the 9-11 Commission report that protected Saudi Arabia?
01:00:16.000Four days after the attack, Bandar, Prince Bandar, was on the balcony of the White House with the President of the United States.
01:04:57.000I will shut my fat mouth and never bring this up again if you just show me a photo of a video, even a grainy one, of something that's a plane going into the Pentagon.
01:05:36.000That would be a giant fucking missile.
01:05:38.000You have Bush and Cheney going, we're going to testify together in front of the 9-11 Commission in a closed-door testimony like an Abbott and Costello Act.
01:05:45.000I mean, they didn't even want to have a 9-11 Commission.
01:07:20.000If they know that a plane is going to crash into the White House, they're going to shoot that plane out of the sky, even if it's filled with civilians, because those civilians are doomed anyway.
01:07:51.000But sometimes you can get an eyewitness account from someone who's like a legitimate, conscious person, and maybe a person that's been to war, a person who knows how to handle trauma, knows how to handle stress, and they can give you an accurate assessment of what happened.
01:08:04.000That being said, I just think If you look at that day, there's a lot we don't know.
01:08:10.000I don't know what that ends up meaning.
01:08:12.000I don't know if it means that the people that did this were trained Saudi agents, maybe, and they were not just random terrorists that couldn't fly and were drunk.
01:08:22.000They pulled off something quite spectacular.
01:08:25.000Nothing even close to it has ever happened again anywhere.
01:08:30.000I think if you look at that day, there's a lot about that day that we still don't understand.
01:09:06.000It is possible that what was being exposed by the investigation that they were trying to suppress was that they are balls deep involved in the Saudi government.
01:09:16.000The Saudi government is involved in our government.
01:09:18.000The amount of money that's being exchanged when you're talking about oil and Look what happened with Jamal Khashoggi.
01:11:02.000I remember I was reading this story about, there's a documentary, well there's a bunch of things, story and documentary as well, about the Sultan of Brunei and how he used to rock it.
01:11:13.000And what the Sultan of Brunei used to do was he would get girls from TV shows, from movies, and he would say, you know, I want to fuck her.
01:11:21.000Have her come visit me and I'll give her, you know, like fucking 10 million bucks or something crazy like that.
01:11:27.000And girls would fly over there and fuck this guy.
01:11:37.000He's beyond wealthy in this extraordinary way that we could never really possibly understand and he had this full-on Super fucking disco in his house and he would just fucking stroll downstairs in gold underwear and and go you you you let's go It's an amazing girls would just be hanging out It's an amazing experience to have in life when you look at like the vastly different experiences people have in life to be that guy and It's truly amazing.
01:13:58.000In North Korea, he said, the vigilance of which people really supported and thought they were living in this paradise, he said, was the most disturbing thing about it.
01:14:08.000Like they had destroyed people's psyche and just sense of reality to a degree that it was like, you know, he had been all over the world.
01:14:17.000In the beginning of Lex Friedman's podcast, whether he explains what happened with North Korea and how during the 90s they had this massive famine where an undisclosed number of people died from starvation.
01:14:32.000Many people resorted to cannibalism, including cannibalizing their own children because the thought was if they died, other people are going to eat their children.
01:15:16.000I don't want to speak for him, so let me just say generally, I think.
01:15:21.000All of this shit, whether it's the way the United States government handles things, whether they pretend that Joe Biden's running the world, all of this is bullshit.
01:15:29.000At least with Putin, it's transparent.
01:15:30.000It's not good that Putin poisons his rivals and has people assassinated.
01:16:03.000And so I just think you have to, you know, listen, I get it, but like, you know, Lex, I was texting with him the other day and he goes, they have integrity.
01:17:22.000So it always gets up pretty high, and then people are like, get out now!
01:17:25.000And then they sell it, or Elon tweets something, and then people sell.
01:17:30.000What I think it's going to be is, it's clearly a speculative asset where it is driven largely by, like, Elon tweeting has been maybe the main driver of it gaining and losing value.
01:17:47.000Well, that's when the fake anonymous video came out where people pissed off at him for doing that because they're like, you're fucking up people's lives with these tweets.
01:17:55.000Well, it's the other thing is like there are true believers that believe it's going to replace gold and, you know, I don't know if that's going to happen.
01:18:02.000There's a lot of people that believe it will be the reserve currency and in 10 years it'll be worth a million dollars of Bitcoin.
01:18:50.000Someone said it was someone in a band.
01:18:51.000Yeah, they nailed down like every time this band played somewhere, the Banksy thing showed up like the day before or after or something like that.
01:18:57.000I think that's fun when people are anonymous.
01:19:33.000It was a thing called the Gigantopithecus.
01:19:35.000They actually have bones that would indicate it was a bipedal hominid, an enormous one that they think is somewhere between 8 and 10 feet tall, and it existed for sure during the same time as human beings, as recently as 100,000 years ago.
01:19:48.000Where is the most credible account of somebody seeing that hominid?
01:20:15.000He's a big, lanky cowboy motherfucker who's walking like this, and if you put that guy in a gorilla suit, and you filmed it all shaky off a horse, It would look like that.
01:20:25.000Is it amazing to you as somebody who spent so long thinking about otherworldly visitors that now they're releasing all this information and no one really cares?
01:21:17.000They have video of these things going with what appears to me thousands of miles an hour, instantaneously accelerating with no visible propulsion system, no heat signature.
01:21:27.000They don't know what the fuck this is.
01:21:38.000And I've talked to the guy, I had him on my podcast, and even better, he was on Lex's podcast, and Lex did an even better job than I did, and talked to him for two-plus hours about this, and the guy's incredibly credible.
01:21:50.000That fucking thing, whenever he was tracking, went from...
01:22:49.000It could be DARPA. Have you seen that shit where the military, there's patents for UFO-type See if you can find what those are because they're developing or at least they've attempted to develop some sort of gravitational drive that would indicate that at least there's been some thought about developing a craft like that.
01:23:12.000Now, if you put a person in one of these things and you shot them off thousands of miles an hour, they turn into jello.
01:23:36.000Patent document indicates that the US and China are actively developing radical new craft that seem eerily similar to UFOs reported by Navy pilots.
01:23:47.000Now, If this is like on paper somewhere, where they're trying to get patents and they're telling you the Chinese The military already has something like this.
01:24:00.000What we're getting is years later, they've been probably developing shit like this for decades.
01:24:54.000It's the one conspiracy that I've never gotten into that much because the information is so tough to come by that I've just always said nothing would surprise me.
01:25:06.000There's something going on there's something going on but what that something is remains to be seen have you seen that video the men in black that walk into they walk into this It's just two very tall weird dudes that walk into like a Hotel and then leave Jamie you can find it easily and it's just these guys that were supposedly like you know something weird happened and supposedly they're guys that come in like after something weird happens and like Shut it down,
01:25:36.000and they're both very tall and very...
01:26:22.000And there's other schools of thought where you're like, no, there's a perceived buffoonery that's attached to some level of government because there's a lot of people in government that are fucking idiots.
01:26:33.000But there's a lot of people that work at UPS that are fucking idiots.
01:28:20.000Finally, we have perhaps the most conclusive evidence of the real Men in Black Hotel in Canada and the manager was a little disturbed when his bellboy informed him that the previous day the hotel had been visited by two tall men dressed completely in black who demanded to speak to him.
01:29:43.000Do you think in 20 years people are going to look at us as like prehistoric creatures with all this stuff because they'll know a lot of it?
01:29:49.000They'll look at us and they'll go, what are you talking about?
01:29:53.000You know, I was watching a video where Yuval Noah Harati, do you know who he is, the guy who wrote Sapiens?
01:30:00.000He was talking about what happened in the early days of literature, and that in the early days of literature, see if you can find this, it's on his Instagram, and it's very, very interesting.
01:30:12.000It's a speech that he's giving where he's talking about disinformation online, and he said that in the early days of literature, the things that people were reading Weren't books about Galileo.
01:30:32.000So everybody was reading witch books and they were killing witches.
01:30:36.000So who knows how many fucking innocent people were murdered where they thought they were witches because they had read these books, proclaiming this is how you spot a witch.
01:30:45.000Which is what he was saying is exactly the kind of disinformation you're getting now with this new media source.
01:30:50.000So the old media source being printed word, all of a sudden it's in a book, it must be true.
01:30:56.000This new media source, oh, I read it online, it must be true.
01:32:05.000I'm trying to look through, because it says on it, like, secret, it says USA, you know, there's pictures of four guys lifting up a tank.
01:32:12.000Oh, yeah, but you know what those are?
01:32:13.000Those were inflatable tanks that they inflated and installed to trick the Russians, or to trick the Nazis, into thinking that they had troops moving into specific areas where they weren't really...
01:33:56.000When people are being censored by large corporations, the odds of you getting the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but are very slim.
01:34:03.000You're going to get a watered-down, corporatized version of what may or may not be true, and If they can withhold certain information and maximize profits or increase the profitable – like, if they have relationships with certain corporations that would lose money if people started discussing certain things,
01:34:24.000they will most likely suppress those things and come up with some justification for why they're doing it.
01:34:29.000Well, yeah, I just hope that, you know, That it doesn't get worse.
01:35:49.000It says, yeah, advertised mission statement as fighting cancel culture, promoting common sense, defending free speech, challenging social media monopolies, and creating a true marketplace of ideas.
01:36:29.000I was going to have Lex Friedman translate, and then he's like, well, I do serious stuff with Russia, so I don't want to get involved with this.
01:40:47.000Because you learn how to spar and you don't have as many mental blocks.
01:40:51.000When you're a grown man, if you're a 20-year-old guy and you're real strong and you're sparring with another 20-year-old guy and you're trying to really hit each other, you're tense and you don't learn as well.
01:41:01.000When kids are hitting each other and it's not that much of a consequence.
01:41:06.000So you get to understand the movements better.
01:41:09.000So what you're really supposed to do is a lot of drilling, and then if you can get used to sparring when you're young, you actually can develop better skills.
01:41:20.000It's arguable, but also there's a thing that happens when you're really young where your body matures into striking.
01:41:27.000I got into martial arts when I was a young teenager, and my body was still growing.
01:41:32.000So as I learned martial arts, my body matured into martial arts, and I developed striking skills while my body was growing and getting stronger and thicker, and I think you get better that way.
01:41:43.000I think when you're already a grown man, unless you have a very specific style of athleticism, it's harder to get good at striking.
01:41:54.000Some wrestlers, they have like a slower style and they don't have a lot of fast twitch muscles in the same way that like a striker does.
01:42:02.000They have a really hard time developing striking power and like real striking skills as they get older because it's just a different thing to learn.
01:42:52.000If you have good referees and you teach them how to fight correctly, you teach them how to be defensively responsible, the thing about this is they don't have the ability to consent because they're so young.
01:43:43.000If my kids wanted to learn fighting, like I say, if they decided, even my daughters, if they said, I want to be a fighter, okay, okay.
01:43:50.000We're going to do it slowly, and we're going to do it the right way, and I want you to develop, like, legitimate defensive skills before you start sparring.
01:44:17.000There are so many, you know, we all have so many, we all know so many horror stories about abuse, whether it's sexual, physical, mental, emotional.
01:45:55.000Because it was a hilarious letter I put up on some social media where they said, our audience is younger, our audience is now two to four, and they don't want to see, like, nine-year-olds.
01:46:14.000I went on auditions when I was a little kid all the time, and you would just be in the middle of the script, you'd be reading it, and the guy would go, yeah, thank you for coming.
01:46:21.000I was talking to this dude once, he was a martial arts guy that was also an actor, and he was saying that the real problem in Hollywood is that they don't have enough roles for Asian people.
01:46:32.000But he wasn't saying it like, you know, as an Asian guy, it's very difficult for me to get parts.
01:46:38.000He was saying like Hollywood has a responsibility to write roles and to have roles for Asian people.
01:46:45.000And I remember me and him having this conversation and part of me wanted to see it from his perspective and go, yeah, that's got to suck.
01:46:54.000Because imagine if you're an Asian man and you're trying to act in Hollywood and there's a hundred movies, but there's only one role for an Asian man.
01:47:01.000But there's like 99 roles or 250,000 roles for a white guy.
01:47:08.000But is it the responsibility of Hollywood to write for Asian people?
01:47:12.000Because my take on it was like, okay, if you're a guy and you're a screenwriter and you have a vision, you're not thinking, I want to make two black lesbians and one Asian guy and have as few white people as possible.
01:47:26.000What I want to do is just make a movie.
01:48:26.000There's going to be more white people because the majority of the country has been white for so long that when you look at the movies and the TV shows, they're all going to be predominantly white because that's the majority population.
01:48:38.000But yeah, Hollywood should do a better job of...
01:48:43.000Writing roles for different types of people.
01:48:47.000Because if you're thinking about a guy who's a screenwriter, if you're just a dude and you're some Quentin Tarantino character, you're just trying to write some crazy, wild movie that's going to be an awesome movie, you're most likely not thinking about making sure that the cast is diverse.
01:49:03.000I think you got to hire an Asian screenwriter.
01:49:05.000Well, this conversation that I had with this guy was like in the early 2000s or the late 90s.
01:49:21.000But then I was like, but man, if you're a guy who's got a vision, and your vision is like four white guys go camping and they get eaten by a werewolf, and that's the whole movie.
01:50:37.000Because the game is supposed to be that everybody, regardless of who they are, has to compete and their talent has to be the main driving factor.
01:50:46.000Because the problem with that is you get bad actors, and I don't mean bad actors in terms of not being good at acting.
01:50:52.000I mean people that are acting in bad faith.
01:50:54.000They decide to play off of their identity versus talent, and they try to weasel their way in a position to get roles.
01:51:04.000And it lowers the quality of everything.
01:51:08.000And by the way, it's actually not the really funny comedians or the really good actors that are minorities that get chosen.
01:51:16.000It actually happens to be the people that are the most political and the loudest and the most able to take advantage of the system.
01:51:25.000So you see actually a lot of really funny comedians get passed over in favor of people that are just very good at optics.
01:53:54.000And by the way, no steroids back then either.
01:53:56.000Or if there was, I mean, I don't think actors were on them.
01:53:59.000Like, maybe Bulgarian weightlifters were on them.
01:54:01.000It's an interesting question, though, whose responsibility is it?
01:54:04.000I think it's just, it's everybody who's got to work together a little bit.
01:54:08.000You know, I don't think it falls on any one person.
01:54:10.000Well, one of the beautiful things about our job, or our business, the world of stand-up comedy, is the most accepting of diversity, period.
01:54:24.000That if you're a fucking murderer, if you're a three-foot-tall, half-Asian, half-black, transsexual person, but you go on stage and fucking rock the house, Then you're in.
01:54:35.000All comics want to give you knuckles and all comics want to go, have you seen him?
01:54:55.000If you went on that lineup and you murdered, they'd put you right the fuck there at the top of the marquee like everybody else who murders.
01:55:43.000Although, I will say that I think it's way more difficult to be a comic and be a woman.
01:55:49.000Because there's certain subjects that people, like, maybe prejudiced people don't want to hear you talk about, like guys.
01:55:55.000Like, guys don't want to hear a woman telling people what to do.
01:55:59.000Like, you don't mind if a guy goes on stage, like some guys don't mind, if a guy goes on stage and goes, what we need to fucking do in this country is this, that, and the other thing, and if it's funny, people laugh.
01:56:10.000When a girl goes on stage and says, what we need to do in this country is this, that, and they're like, what you need to do is get back in the fucking kitchen.
01:56:42.000Whereas if a girl talks about those kind of things, there's a certain amount of people in the audience that are going to be hesitant to listen to these discussions.
01:57:20.000But at the end of the day, if there's only 10 slots, should they give a slot to someone who's not as good as someone who's on that lineup just because that person has a vagina?
01:57:29.000Well, there is a changing definition of what comedy is, and we're not going to like it.
01:57:34.000I imagine that real comedy will survive in some capacity, but there is a changing definition of what comedy is.
01:57:42.000Comedy has now become, I'm here to speak my truth, I'm here to talk, you're here to listen, and this idea of punching and hard, killing and fun, that is still the comedy that people want to see, it's still the comedy that makes money in clubs, it's still the comedy that people go to theaters to see.
01:57:59.000But there's a vastly different understanding of what comedy is from a lot of people that are getting into it now.
01:58:05.000Many, many people are getting into comedy now with a very different value system and idea of what it is.
01:58:52.000The second time you do it, people start going, oh, okay.
01:58:57.000No, she'll work the festival circuit forever, but the reality is, I get she was big shit that moment, but how many times can you just get up and go, men sucks, somebody hit me with a dick on a bus, God bless her, but after a while, it starts to get stale.
01:59:13.000You know when, I think she lost a lot of people, she did this women in Hollywood thing?
01:59:35.000There's no good men because good men defend bad men and I don't really know where I am.
01:59:39.000My friends from Australia who had seen her do comedy before were saying that she was essentially kind of like a mid-level comic in terms of the jokes.
01:59:48.000But what people really resonated with in that special was not jokes.
02:00:05.000And it's like, no, it's much harder to actually do it and then succeed or fail.
02:00:08.000Well, there was a thing about alt comics for a long time where they were upset at comics from the store because they put too much effort out when they were on stage.
02:00:28.000I do a much more ironic, much more sedate comedy that's much more intelligent.
02:00:32.000And you want to talk about white supremacy, the alternative rooms in New York City where I started were whiter than the Charlottesville march.
02:00:40.000And they were all rich white suburban kids who had gone to theater arts summer camps and they were like, you know, and then they would be like, you know, they would do these, you know, some of them were funny and some of them got famous and whatever, but the vast majority of them became writers on shows that they hated or whatever.
02:00:56.000And a lot of them just went really mainstream.
02:00:58.000And I mean, some of them now write for like network sitcoms and stuff.
02:01:01.000And they were like, they were the guys in Brooklyn who were like, you know, in 2011, they had the beard and the thing.
02:01:06.000And now they're writing for CBS sitcoms.
02:01:50.000I'm never going into Echo Park and going, I want to be in that lineup in the back of the bookstore where everybody's drinking coffee and everyone has BLM in their profile picture, but their parents both work at Goldman Sachs.
02:02:03.000I'm not saying I want to be on that lineup.
02:02:06.000Those are the people that are pointing at the store and the improv and the seller of this and that and going, this is unfair, this doesn't work.
02:02:13.000Also, those people that are on that lineup, they were getting robbed.
02:02:16.000A lot of those people were doing shows like for the UCB where they were getting no money.
02:02:20.000They get no money because they're paid in accolades and handshakes and backpats and exposure.
02:03:06.000And it's all these rich kids that went to NYU. And all of a sudden, like, they had to talk about real stuff.
02:03:11.000They completely didn't know how to do it.
02:03:12.000They were completely ill-prepared to do it because everything had been, like, bullshit forever.
02:03:17.000And then it just became all about politics.
02:03:19.000And it's just like now you go to those shows and people just sit there and Somebody goes up and makes a point they agree with and they clap.
02:03:25.000I mean, it's become completely, you know, political.
02:04:00.000Where it's like, finally, someone can tell the truth.
02:04:04.000I mean, the entire special had a very big political overtone, which is like, I'm here to tell people...
02:04:15.000You know, my truth, and she made a lot of statements about comedy, and she goes, this is what comedy has been for straight white men who rape, and now I am here.
02:04:24.000That was pretty much, that was the argument.
02:04:37.000I think she thought the game had changed for a while.
02:04:40.000I think the initial success was like- And we also know that there's people in comedy that are very bad and abusive, but it doesn't mean that this is hot.
02:04:48.000But in the beginning, I think when things caught on, I think it was this thing that happens to people when they become very successful, very quickly, is that all of a sudden they assume some sort of a role of being an arbiter of what's good and what's bad.
02:05:16.000And there was a statement that she had made about Louis C.K., about something about how she was gonna come, you know, like if he came back then her work was not done.
02:05:25.000Yeah, well that's why people like me, I didn't care about the special, but I was just like, this seems a little much.
02:05:31.000I would say, I'd be like, this seems a little much.
02:05:33.000I don't want to control what anyone watches or sees.
02:05:36.000I get deeply skeptical of people that want to control.
02:05:39.000When you want a lot of control, when you want to really either censor people or shame them into not watching, I get very, very nervous about that.
02:05:48.000I'm very skeptical of all those people.
02:05:52.000Well, the way you and I became friends was you had a post about Louis CK, and I reached out to you because I think you were dead right.
02:05:59.000You were saying that there's some legitimate criticisms of what he did, but there was also some people that were jumping on board because they were marginally talented at best, and they were seeing this as an opportunity to use what's happening to him to gain- This is how they can compete.
02:06:15.000We all want to structure the world in a way that we can compete.
02:06:18.000And I think they look at people on stage killing and go, I can't do that.
02:06:22.000And then when the Louis story happened, they said, well, yes, fuck him.
02:06:27.000And the benefit of that is if Louis was never funny, well, then if you knock him off, then the standard is different, right?
02:06:34.000Because we all were in agreement that he's one of the greats.
02:06:37.000So if you get rid of all of those people and say, well, they're just there because they're white men.
02:06:41.000Then the standard of the art can actually be just debased so that anybody can get involved.
02:06:47.000I mean, that's just what it is and I think that's what I saw happening where a lot of people that were going, hey, and they like comfort and they hate risk And that's why a lot of what they do is mediocre.
02:07:25.000There's always a little anger that's...
02:07:27.000And then when something happens, like what happened to Louis, then they feel like, okay, it's safe for that anger to bubble up to the surface.
02:07:57.000And I was like, where were you during all of his specials?
02:08:01.000One of my favorite things was a tweet.
02:08:04.000During Curb Your Enthusiasm, it was the same thing where they said, you know, the latest season of Curb, they go, it just doesn't feel like a white guy complaining about all these little meaningless things.
02:08:27.000To say that and to pile on, which is why they're not successful, because if they said things that were unsafe, that their whole, you know, the way that their brain works, if they weren't constantly looking for a safe harbor, they might actually do something good.
02:08:45.000Yeah, the attacks on Louis, particularly after he had gone from 10 months of not doing stand-up to doing one set, right?
02:08:53.000So he literally, this is his first setback.
02:08:55.000Someone records his first setback, and in that he has jokes about school shootings, he's got jokes about other things that people think are inappropriate, but you go back and listen to his old specials.
02:09:58.000So to hear people that were praising him as brilliant and a genius up to the point where he got in trouble for jerking off in front of women, now saying that he's a monster and that he's alt-right and he's a piece of shit and that he has no heart and he's a hack, I was furious.
02:10:12.000And to this day, I refuse to talk to a lot of those people.
02:10:15.000Well, yeah, but those people are on a team, right?
02:10:19.000And they look at each other and they go, is it time?
02:10:21.000And it's like, again, it's that- It's team mediocre.
02:10:28.000It's a way to get in, and all these people that are supposedly revolutionaries, they rely on the most antiquated form of the entertainment business, which is working for multinational conglomerates.
02:10:39.000I mean, they work for large corporations.
02:10:42.000Everything's vetted against sales, standards of practices, advertising.
02:10:46.000It is the most antiquated way to put any content out, and yet they are dependent entirely on that system 100%, all the while Saying that a guy like you, you're the problem because you have a podcast where you broadcast directly to your fans.
02:11:32.000Not only are we not oppressing anybody, it's one of the best industries you could ever possibly describe.
02:11:36.000If you wanted to have a discussion of an industry where the people involved in it wholeheartedly support the other people involved in it, with no financial benefit whatsoever.
02:11:46.000Other than like you know abstract, but yeah, you think about the way comics who or even people that just have pod like Lex Have each other on each other's podcast discuss each other talk about great stuff.
02:11:57.000They saw yeah, I can't talk about people's good stuff enough I I love when people do good work.
02:13:59.000I think in their soul, they make all these allowances, but they don't want to be owned.
02:14:08.000Down deep, they don't like being owned, and you're not owned, and a lot of them are, and that's where a lot of the hostility comes from.
02:14:15.000Because even though they've disguised being owned and altruism, and they're great, and they're this and that, at the end of the day, I think people genuinely don't like that feeling, and a lot of people that we know experience that feeling all the time.
02:14:29.000Well, you see when people get fired for some of the most innocuous things.
02:14:54.000She was saying it about how we look at people that are on the opposite perspective politically as if they're the other, and that this is a dangerous thing.
02:15:56.000They're gonna do something where it's like...
02:15:59.000I think one of their movies was like there was a school shooting happening and then like some girl shows up with a gun like Laura Croft in Tomb Raider and just kills a school shooter.
02:16:41.000The actor continues to say, scroll down low, it goes, okay, so Carano fell under heavy criticism after she posted that Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers, but by their neighbors, even by children.
02:16:52.000The actor continues to say, because history is edited, most people today don't realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews.
02:17:05.000How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?
02:17:11.000I see what she's trying to say because there are people that absolutely do hate conservatives and they're of the opinion that some conservatives and Trump supporters...
02:17:25.000First of all, things in print, it's an inherently shitty way to express something controversial when you're talking about something that's contemporary.
02:17:36.000When you're talking about something that's going on right now.
02:17:57.000Like, if she was having this conversation with us, and she was saying, you know, in Nazi Germany, they got their neighbors to hate them first.
02:18:04.000And think about how they're getting neighbors to hate people now for being conservative.
02:18:09.000But again, when it comes to something like the Disney Channel or this or, you know, when it comes to her getting fired, they're probably looking for a way to get rid of her anyway because she was already saying some controversial shit.
02:18:21.000And I think she fits right in with, like, whatever Ben Shapiro's trying to do.
02:18:25.000Well, I don't think he was trying to do anything before this.
02:20:22.000Listen, go check out Adam Sandler's movie.
02:20:25.000Yeah, but 6.5 on IMDB. 17-year-old Zoe Hall uses her wit, survival skills, and compassion to fight for her life and those of her fellow classmates against a group of live streaming school shooters.
02:21:30.000They're like, we want to show people that kids should be trained in weapons so they can go to school and fight the school shooter.
02:21:36.000And the left, when they're making certain God only knows things that they're doing, are going, we just want to show people that this is the right thing to do.
02:21:44.000So I think it's just, it's got to actually be.
02:21:46.000Now, the reason the left is better at it is they've been doing it for a lot longer.
02:21:49.000I think the Daily Wire only distributed this.
02:24:10.000But that's just one of many indications that the deep interest that China has in movie making...
02:24:18.000It's very difficult for them to avoid that grasp because financially it was so big.
02:24:25.000Opening weekend, that movie, Fast and the Furious 9, I want to say it's in the neighborhood of $160 million opening weekend, 134 of which came from China.
02:25:46.000So if you can make something and then distribute it and make your money back and then profit enough to pay people, then you could do it.
02:25:55.000But no one's figured it out yet, really.
02:25:57.000Ultimately, all of this censorship, either self-censorship or actual corporate censorship, is in some ways, it's really good for what we do.