In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, the podfather of the podcast and host of the hit Netflix comedy-drama "The Dark Lord" joins us to talk about his love of conspiracy theories and conspiracy theories about the death of a famous woman who may or may not have been murdered by her horse. Also, we talk about the new Netflix series "The Handmaid's Tale" and why it's one of the most critically acclaimed shows of all time. Joe and Adam are joined by special guest and friend of the show, Tim P. Poole, to discuss the Netflix show and the conspiracy theories surrounding its origin and the possibility that it's based on a real-life woman who died at the hands of her own horse. We also talk about conspiracy theories that have been floating around the internet for years, and whether or not they are true or not. And of course, we have a special guest on the pod, our good friend and former co-host, Adam Cawthorne, to give us his take on all things conspiracy theory related to Ayn Rand and her supposed murder of her horse, Ancel Keys. The Handmaid s Tale. This episode is a must-listen to find out if this story is true or if it's all a hoax or if she was really a true story. Enjoy, and tweet us what you think of it! and let us know if you think it's true or false, right? or not! Tim Poole: Adam: . Tim: , , Joe: : : ) The Podfather: The Dark Lord: Joe: The Podcast: The Pod Father: The podcast: The Boy Who Couldn't Tell a Good Thing? . . . . , The Good Life: The Good, The Bad, the Good, the Bad, The Evil, the Great, The Great, the Evil, The Weirdest, the Wrong, The Worst, The Wrong, the Worst, the One That Wasn't There? , and the One of the Most Beautiful, the Best, the Greatest, The Best, The Most Beautiful and the Most Brilliant, the Most Authentic, the Only One, the Realest, The Greatest, the MOST Beautiful, and The Most Realistic, the most Beautiful, the Most Amazing, the Happiest, the Coolest, and the Only Real, the Weirdest?
00:00:20.000Joe Rogan, since you recertified me as the Podfather, my life has been so enriched since March of 2020. You have given me just an incredible new lease on professional life.
00:01:33.000And, you know, people think that, well, you have to do something to combat misinformation and...
00:01:40.000You know, we were talking the other day about Yuval Noah Harati, the author who wrote Sapiens.
00:01:46.000He had a segment on his Instagram where he's talking about misinformation on the internet and about how when books first came out, the most popular books weren't books on Galileo.
00:02:09.000And then countless people were killed because people were convinced that these How to Spot Witches books were good, and so they were going around trying to spot witches and kill them.
00:02:54.000But, you know, according to the Netflix series, she brought the printing press into the country, and then they started printing gossip stuff, which people liked a lot more than anything else.
00:04:55.000See, it says serial killer, but what this guy said to me, because apparently, well, the story was that she would find these young peasant women and murder them, and she would bathe in their blood in an attempt to try to regain her youth.
00:05:13.000So they found out that she had done this, and then because she was a royal, she wasn't killed.
00:05:20.000She was just sort of locked in a tower for the rest of her life, and she died under house arrest.
00:05:25.000But someone sent me a link to a story, because we were talking about it on the podcast.
00:05:29.000I forget which friend of mine sent it to me.
00:05:31.000Where was disputing that and saying that she was framed thus to steal her land because she was a woman and this woman owned large swaths of land as a royal and they wanted to take over her land and the way they could take over her land was to say that she was a murderer and that she had been murdering young peasants and they framed her with this crime.
00:05:52.000The older I get the more I realize how much history that I've learned or have read Could likely be completely full of shit.
00:06:02.000There's always multiple ways of viewing a situation historically.
00:06:06.000I think it's kind of in our brain, the idea that you can see something, I can see the same thing, and we interpret that differently, and I think that's truth, and you think that's something else's truth.
00:06:37.000First of all, I want to get into the history of Julian Assange, but is that true?
00:06:42.000I'm just digging through the Wikipedia on her.
00:06:45.000It's around the time of Hungary, Transylvania, so it sounds like vampire time period.
00:06:49.000She's been credited with somewhere in the range of 650 deaths.
00:06:53.000There was a lot of witnesses in the trial, but there was a theory about what you're saying, and then someone's trying to counter it, and that's what I was reading through right now.
00:07:00.000Yeah, I don't know if this guy, what the guy said to me, the other thing is people love, even if a story's true, people love stories that point that it might not be true.
00:08:40.000It's a great way to find out about revolutions that are happening all around the world and disasters and all kinds of other things.
00:08:47.000But it's also a very poor way to communicate.
00:08:51.000And when you're trying to get out complex, nuanced thoughts in 240 characters or 280 characters, whatever it is, it's just not an effective way to do that.
00:09:17.000There's some funny people that just don't happen to be professional comedians, but they're very smart and very funny, and it works for them.
00:09:24.000But it's just as a method of communication, it's so much poorer, so much shittier than this, than talking.
00:09:34.000Which is why even the New York Times had to admit you are too big to cancel.
00:09:45.000Of course it is a weird title, but that just shows you, because it all comes from the same places.
00:09:50.000All the stuff is heated up everywhere, on Twitter, Facebook to some degree, but Twitter, I think, really is where it all stems from, and you've got blue checks who are journalists, and it's a very...
00:10:42.000I don't know where the censorship is going.
00:10:45.000The censorship disturbs the shit out of me because there was political censorship that was very clear and they made a decision during the election to not release any of the Hunter Biden stuff.
00:10:58.000So they censored the New York Post, which is really crazy because the New York Post is an enormous newspaper.
00:11:48.000Why do you see it as weird if you know that people who are running these companies, and I'm not talking about Jack Dorsey, but there's a board, there's a lot of money involved, and there's antitrust, this government is involved with them, trying to fuck with them, so there's this give and take.
00:12:06.000Silicon Valley spends, outside of pharma, probably the most money on lobbying in D.C., And I think there's also a little bit of grandiosite there.
00:14:19.000Zuby had a really good post this morning, like a 20-parter.
00:14:23.000About all the things that really social media is a big part of, but how people will often choose, obviously, security over some liberty, how they would rather be – they'd rather have a little bit of – They'd rather not take a chance and be accepted by the group.
00:14:43.000I mean, these are all very human behaviors.
00:14:45.000And even without social media's direct intervention, the Internet has really created a beautiful place for propagandists to go to work.
00:14:55.000And it's really, really sophisticated, some of this stuff.
00:14:59.000And we don't even know, you don't catch most of it, but so much is being propagandized by corporations mainly, but also, you know, just look at the reporting.
00:15:09.000If we can just touch the third rail, January 6th, you know, this is being rammed down our throats as an insurrection, the most dangerous thing that's ever happened since the Civil War.
00:16:26.000But that just keeps being repeated and it just becomes lore, becomes the truth after a while.
00:16:32.000But he likely died because of the stress caused by that.
00:16:35.000Well, that isn't being reported like that.
00:16:39.000The report was he got bashed in the head with a fire extinguisher.
00:16:42.000The thing that bothered me the most that I didn't hear much discussion at all that we've talked about a few times on here is the cops opening up the gates.
00:16:50.000And taking selfies with people, like the MAGA-loving cops that thought it would be a good idea to open the gates and let the protesters through.
00:16:58.000But again, we've only seen what we've seen, what has been presented to us.
00:17:32.000So there's one angle that must be discussed, and I think we're the guys to talk about, at least with you is the right place.
00:17:42.000This could have been something similar to the Reichstag fire in Weimar, Germany, which kicked off kind of the whole Nazi Socialist Party by burning down the government building.
00:17:59.000And then all of a sudden, you've got some political power.
00:18:03.000There's definitely superficial evidence that shows that there may have been people who were instigators, agents provocateurs, who were, A, leading the charge, and that there may have been some cooperation on the other side just to get people in,
00:18:22.000just to get this whole thing going, just to really create this idea that...
00:18:28.000If you take it to its logical conclusion that 70 million Americans are potentially domestic violent extremists, can be flipped in a heartbeat, you've got to keep your eye on them, and they're typically white and they're typically Republicans.
00:18:42.000That's what this has been turned into.
00:18:44.000Where's the evidence that shows that there was agent provocateurs or that there was some sort of manipulation?
00:18:49.000Well, the FBI says that they did have confidential informants at the event.
00:19:10.000Pickle factory hasn't set the information yet.
00:19:13.000Well, we know that agent provocateurs are a real thing.
00:19:15.000And we know that they exist throughout history.
00:19:18.000It would be logical to assume that they're in action today and that they are manipulating events.
00:19:23.000One thing to consider is, I think that the Capitol Hill, correct me if I'm wrong, I think I'm right, that was what led them to remove Trump from Twitter, correct?
00:19:38.000Like, you need a thing to happen to remove Trump from Twitter, because Trump on Twitter, he can do a lot of things.
00:19:47.000Well, I think, I don't know if that was the main reason, but that was a part of it.
00:19:51.000There's a lot, politically, and everything's politics as far as I'm concerned.
00:19:55.000Politically, it was very, very powerful because this has just been positioned and reinforced as a violent insurrection.
00:20:03.000And the video evidence just shows otherwise.
00:20:06.000Yeah, there's some people ramming at gates, but all the stuff that we've heard about, all the scary stuff, there's really no evidence of it.
00:20:14.000It may be on the videotape, but we haven't seen it.
00:20:16.000Right, but they did go into an area where they're told not to go into.
00:21:24.000And, of course, my neighbor didn't say, well, that was a false flag!
00:21:28.000And I'm not saying that, but it's kind of odd that, well, obviously it wasn't bad enough for them to shoot on sight, or they had orders not to do that, because that is what they do.
00:21:36.000Is that really the only conclusion, though?
00:21:38.000Because there were so many people and so few security guards.
00:21:41.000Once they got past the cops on the outside...
00:21:43.000This Capitol Hill police is not the same as security guards.
00:23:05.000So instead of voting for mayoral candidate, instead of just voting, I want this guy or this gal to be the mayor, you do number one pick, number two, number three, number four, number five, you go down the line.
00:23:16.000And the last person's votes get removed and they get redistributed amongst the rest, but not number one, I think.
00:24:11.000New York City voters will be using the new ranked choice voting system for the June party primary elections for mayor, comptroller, public advocate, borough president, and city council.
00:24:22.000Voters will be able to rank up to five candidates in order of preference, and ranked choice voting eliminates the runoff elections that used to occur in some states for citywide offices.
00:24:32.000So they kind of do a runoff built into the election.
00:24:35.000So if there's no one with more than 50%, which is very, very common in your typical election, then they start to move it around and move the votes from the loser to the second, third,
00:26:06.000They're just taking that in and regurgitating it.
00:26:09.000Meanwhile, Joe Rogan, Tim Pool, you know, Brett Weinstein, The No Agenda Show.
00:26:18.000You just keep going on and on and on and on.
00:26:20.000These are millions and millions of millions of people who have tuned out from a whole message and they're tuning into other things, maybe thinking for themselves.
00:26:30.000Of course, being influenced, but at least there's diversity.
00:26:33.000It's not just the news that is telling us the way it is, so that we only get the one side of Catherine the Great and not the other.
00:26:40.000Well, this is why it's so dangerous when someone like YouTube or Twitter or someone just decides to do site-wide censorship on a particular issue.
00:27:06.000You cannot have that theory because that theory's not in line with either the CDC or the WHO. Now, it's the primary theory.
00:27:16.000Now, most scientists who've looked at the evidence objectively since Trump is no longer in office, it's been now seven months, everybody's, their heart rate has dropped down enough and their anxiety has reached levels where they can actually look at the science.
00:27:30.000And, you know, Jon Stewart's rant did wonders for that.
00:28:38.000Because if we had a story that, oh, three people got sick in the lab, that means it must come from the lab, everyone would criticize it and say, no way, that's not possible, you're a conspiracy theorist full of shit.
00:28:50.000But there, like a former New York Times columnist who's in, I think, his 70s now, he went through the whole thing and said, look, here's the absolute proof that we have to at least look at this.
00:29:02.000There's more evidence here than there is for the bat or the pangolin.
00:29:06.000And maybe there's a book or some stuff is coming out and opinions are changing.
00:29:11.000And I think it's related to the pharmaceutical industry.
00:30:37.000But the point is, he had been doing stand-up.
00:30:40.000And if he was going to burn some material, You know, that would be a good piece of material to burn because it's, you know, it's not going to be relevant very much longer.
00:32:00.000That interaction between Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert softened I think it's just Jon Stewart pointing out the obvious in a very funny way.
00:32:23.000He's like, are you out of your fucking mind?
00:33:05.000I cannot imagine a world where Jon Stewart agrees with Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart get together and go, and Stewart goes, look, I wrote this incredible bit because I was contacted by the powers that be, and they want to soften the blow of the live leak thing,
00:34:57.000This is the very guy who won the Nobel Prize for Ivermectin.
00:35:03.000YouTube removed a video of him discussing it, which is just crazy to think that some tech nerd from Silicon Valley has the insight and like, you know, the world doesn't need to hear this.
00:35:15.000The world shouldn't be, shouldn't have access to this information.
00:36:09.000This guy's treated hundreds, if not thousands, of COVID patients and had extremely positive results using this one particular drug, ivermectin.
00:37:24.000It's pennies to produce or less than that.
00:37:26.000And it is my belief that we'll see a similar situation where either hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin, or we'll start seeing maybe another Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert bit, and then we'll have Merck come out with the pill.
00:37:40.000And the pill will be a new version of one of these existing drugs with the compound, just twist it a little bit so they can patent it.
00:37:48.000Well, that would be the best case scenario, right?
00:38:41.000My dad has had some ticks later in life, so maybe it was in me genetically, and that was just going to come out.
00:38:48.000So I've always been a little bit wary of vaccines in general, but my last ones were 2003. I went to Iraq, so, you know, you had the military put yellow fever or whatever in you.
00:39:03.000We had COVID. Trump is on his way to, you know, probably sweeping the election.
00:39:09.000And whatever happens, whether you look at Event 201 and was it a pandemic, it doesn't really matter.
00:39:17.000Fact is, the whole world was shut down.
00:39:21.000And all of a sudden, out of nowhere, Trump says, Operation Warp Speed, bitches, we're going to have this shit in your arm by the end of the year, which is unbelievable.
00:39:31.000That would have been the most insane thing.
00:39:33.000Vaccines take 4, 5, 6, 7, maybe 10 years to develop.
00:39:39.000I think it's possible, and again, conspiracy therapists, that this whole idea of the Great Reset, if you just look at the World Economic Forum, what this asshole Klaus Schwab is prognosticating and how many big, the global banking system really,
00:40:32.000In Austin, they closed for several weeks.
00:40:35.000Everyone was closed for several weeks except for fast food.
00:40:39.000But do you think that that's a conspiracy or that was a decision made locally?
00:40:43.000Because in California, there was a period of time, I think, when things shut down, but then I know most of the restaurants were allowed to serve takeout.
00:41:27.000In Europe, not everyone has a big box store.
00:41:30.000You know, there's one in a certain location, so a lot of people would go there.
00:41:33.000I'm just looking at what the World Economic Forum publishes on their own website, and they talk about the Great Reset.
00:41:42.000And this reset will eventually take us into protecting the Earth from climate change, but we first have to lock down and get ready for whatever comes our way.
00:41:52.000And My own personal theory is that Trump maybe saw this.
00:41:57.000When the shutdown came, there was no news of a vaccine.
00:42:46.000Right, but mRNA vaccines is something that they had developed for quite a few years.
00:42:51.000Yes, for a long time, as a gene therapy, for individualized.
00:42:55.000And in 2008, I think, there was a big conference put on by, I think, Goldman Sachs, and all the medical companies were there.
00:43:05.000I just started No Agenda, so I was researching, and they had PowerPoint slides and everything on the website.
00:43:10.000And all you saw was the future is vaccines because we're giving people medication before they're sick and you get them on a program and you get them on a schedule.
00:43:20.000And if you recall around 2008-9, that time frame, there were vaccines coming out against smoking.
00:43:27.000There would be a vaccine against cocaine abuse.
00:43:30.000Oh yeah, none of it panned out, but that was kind of the promise of the mRNA technology.
00:43:34.000We can change your DNA, or I'm saying things I have no business talking about, but you can change something so then all of a sudden you don't desire cocaine or you can remove that addictive feature.
00:43:46.000And that's when I started paying attention.
00:43:48.000It's like, you know, there's something going on.
00:43:50.000And the mRNA, I mean, to roll that out, and you can look at many scientists and doctors who will say, that's not a one-size-fits-all solution.
00:43:58.000That is meant to be completely tailored for Joe Rogan, we're going to change something in your body that needs fixing or whatever, not just, poof, it's good for everybody.
00:44:08.000And I think even the inventor of the technology says it's not intended for this purpose.
00:44:15.000Is the dose dependent upon the size of your body?
00:44:22.000Because I was thinking this, like when they're doing the vaccines, like if you're a 300 pound man or you're a 90 pound 16 year old, do they have the same dose?
00:45:17.000And I think they're behind some of the discreditation of the Johnson& Johnson.
00:45:22.000I mean, if you look at whatever information is available, as many people have had blood clots with every single vaccine, but Johnson& Johnson was the one that got singled out and shut down, and their competitor, coincidentally.
00:48:33.000The side effects are tardive dyskinesia, which is restless leg syndrome, and some of it actually looks a little bit like Tourette's and tics.
00:50:10.000And I'm saying, I'm like, why, you know, like, this is really hard to get off, because, you know, the Jordan Peterson thing opened my eyes to it, and then Dr. Carl Hart.
00:50:18.000With Benny's, yeah, the Benny's shit, that'll fuck you up.
00:50:24.000Well, the true bennies, like what the pilots would take, they call it little yellow footballs, where you can fall asleep right away, sleep for three hours, get up and start flying again.
00:51:28.000And so many people I know take them for anxiety.
00:51:31.000We are, of course, one of the two countries in the entire world that allows the pharmaceutical industry to advertise direct-to-consumer on television and say, Ask your doctor!
00:51:44.000Yeah, it's Austin, New Zealand, right?
00:52:20.000The Salk Institute reduced a study on the detrimental effects of the spike protein and related to COVID so that the spike protein itself is causing a deterioration, I believe, of blood vessels, right?
00:52:46.000No, the question is, is the same thing applied to the vaccine?
00:52:50.000And I think Brett Weinstein had an examination of their press release or what they published.
00:53:00.000Versus what they amended they amended some aspect of it to try to like Make it seem a little bit more palatable or something.
00:53:09.000I don't know what I don't know what they amended but the point being that these vaccines produce spike proteins and the Salk Institute is saying that spike proteins cause a deterioration of the blood vessels I think the thought is that the vaccines Produce it only locally and that it doesn't get everywhere.
00:53:30.000Whereas if you have COVID, it goes through your entire body.
00:53:39.000Novel coronavirus spike protein plays additional role in the illness.
00:53:44.000Salk researchers and collaborators show how the protein damages cells, confirming COVID-19 as a primarily vascular disease, which is really interesting.
00:53:55.000This information was out there in 2020 as well, I can recall.
00:53:58.000But even the fact that two smart guys like you and I can't really have a coherent story that we consider to be the truth just shows that...
00:54:08.000Well, I put us pretty high on saying smart guys.
00:54:16.000So we just don't really know everything.
00:54:19.000And, you know, we're, to some degree, the world hopefully is learning that, hey, you know, you've got to learn to assess risk, your own personal risk.
00:54:27.000You know, we do lots of things that are risky.
00:54:29.000We do things that are risky that we don't know about or how you even, we talked about this in March 2020. Where are the people telling us how to beef up your immune system?
00:54:59.000I would have thought that someone in the government would have said, hey, you know, it's not hard to tell people that what we need is vitamin D and exercise.
00:55:15.000I'm very skeptical about all, even, you know, back to Colbert and Jon Stewart, not to rehash it, but, I mean, it's the CBS Broadcasting Network.
00:55:23.000I mean, I come from a family of military and spooks.
00:56:01.000But what he didn't show by doing this, by Pointing out the two things that Alex Jones talked about and Tucker Carlson talked about, both men were saying things that are logical.
00:56:18.000They're both saying what you said earlier, like there was most likely agent provocateurs that at least had some part in that January 6th invasion of Capitol Hill.
00:56:30.000That's not an outrageous thing to say.
00:57:16.000I actually play Alex Jones in Sturgill Simpson's album.
00:57:20.000Sturgill Simpson's and his most recent album, there's the opening segment, a guy gets in the car and he's spinning through the radio dials trying to find something to listen to.
00:57:30.000And there's Alex Jones ranting and raving about the Illuminati, and that's me.
00:58:10.000We didn't hear the beginning because he said something in the beginning about them spying on him.
00:58:14.000Because Tucker Carlson is saying the government's spying on him, and then Alex Jones from a long time ago was saying that they're spying on him.
01:00:49.000They're comparing these things in this really weird, disingenuous way to try to make it look like everything that Tucker Carlson's saying is insane because Alex Jones says something as well.
01:01:00.000If Alex Jones says drink water and take vitamins...
01:01:04.000And I say, drink water, take vitamins.
01:01:07.000The other thing that he said was the Capitol Hill thing.
01:01:10.000Now, if there are government files, if you could read these government papers that actually do say that there were agent provocateurs that had something to do with the Capitol Hill attack, If Alex Jones says that and Tucker Carlson says that,
01:01:26.000but yet the fact remains that it's true, who gives a fuck?
01:01:30.000And how are they making that connection?
01:01:39.000That this is coming from America's trusted news source, and that this is the evidence that...
01:01:44.000It's not like he's saying, you know, it's not like this Pizzagate type thing, or again, interdimensional child molesters, or something completely crazy.
01:01:53.000What he's saying are things that aren't crazy to say at all.
01:01:57.000Because he's saying, what Tucker Carlson said in this very small clip, he said, there are some risks, right?
01:02:04.000And then Alex says, he talks about risks.
01:02:09.000These are not outrageous things to say, but the fact that they've decided to do this and compare them in such a disingenuous way, it's really weird that that is something that the news would want to do.
01:02:23.000I'm kind of cynical about this and I have always thought that advertising is equal censorship and the news is not there to bring you the news.
01:02:37.000It is to sell advertising and certainly Tucker Carlson, for a while I thought he was really going to get kicked off because what you don't hear Only on Tucker Carlson, I don't know how that happened, is anyone criticizing the pharmaceutical industry.
01:02:54.000The number one advertiser in all media is the pharmaceutical industry.
01:03:00.000CNN can't criticize the vaccines because then they're advertising.
01:04:32.000And right now we're in a position where the global banking system, which is far removed from anything you and I can really understand, how credit works and how there's $400 trillion worth of paper that surrounds the bond markets,
01:05:54.000So ESG, and this is now something that if you want to invest in a company, they will, on their investor relations page, they'll show you their ESG score.
01:06:04.000ESG stands for environmental, social, corporate governance.
01:06:08.000And this is where the woke culture comes from.
01:06:10.000So they've created this kind of phony baloney rating system that says, well, if you—I'm exaggerating, but if you mention that you are, you know, have a green agenda and you believe in carbon credits and you might trade some credit somewhere,
01:06:26.000then you get a higher score and therefore you're more investable.
01:06:30.000And it's very interesting to see how big investors like insurance company, institutional investors, they are steering away from anything that does not have the right ESG rating.
01:06:41.000And so in order to have investors continue to be interested in the stock, which is important for the company, for its perception, certainly for the officers of the company and the shareholders, You have to move this along continuously.
01:06:58.000And so it's very simple to see why doing a woke ad as Nike or as any other company and Pride Month is fantastic because you could – and Pride is easy.
01:07:09.000Throw up some flags, show the right people, trends, whatever.
01:07:46.000And you can look it up, SASB, that's the Board of Standards and Statistics for Corporations, and they have this formula how you measure your ESG score and if you're really investable.
01:07:59.000And it's funny because you'll see, like, Nike has a 75% score.
01:08:03.000Tesla, which you'd think would be really good, 38%.
01:08:06.000Because, you know, not woke enough or Elon, you know, says the wrong things.
01:08:10.000So it's actually harder to invest, for an institution to invest in Tesla because of their low ESG score.
01:09:02.000So this ESG stuff is really being utilized to control society in general.
01:09:11.000And Twitter has to adhere to the same thing.
01:09:13.000And they're using it as a method to maximize profits because people will support companies that are woke because it aligns with their own personal values.
01:09:25.000That's a little different than profit.
01:09:27.000What is the difference between profit and share?
01:09:30.000Well, currently, if you are a CEO and you have a board and everyone has stock and all your C-suite people and your important people all have shares, and the way the mechanism works, all right, we have the Federal Reserve and interest rate is at zero, so big companies can go to any bank,
01:09:47.000literally, Federal Reserve is the bank, too, and say, I need $100 billion, and they're going to give it to me for almost 0%.
01:09:55.000Because what we pay on credit card interest or something, that's not what banks pay.
01:10:08.000That has been going on for a long time.
01:10:11.000That's the number one way of getting really rich in a public company.
01:10:15.000Apple, you know, this was the thing when Trump had his repatriation of the money and also the corporate tax cut.
01:10:22.000The main thing that was a problem, and I'm not sure how they dealt with it, was, well, you're getting all this, you're bringing this money into the country, or you're getting a tax break.
01:10:31.000We don't want you just using it to buy your own shares.
01:10:34.000Because you buy your own shares, you're only making yourself wealthy off of actually the backs of the American people because we didn't get that tax revenue.
01:10:42.000And that's the system, how it's worked.
01:10:44.000And now they're just expanding it into this mythical ESG. And, you know, it's based on how green you are, you know, net zero aspirations, reports, wokeness, social justice.
01:10:57.000And it's also because it's connected to the idea of being a better person.
01:13:50.000If you sign up to us, your credit rating, which will probably be shit, let's say you have 600, just by signing up you get an Experian boost, 40 points!
01:15:54.000And you can pay it off, of course, but people don't.
01:15:56.000It's like, well, maybe if it's consolidation.
01:16:00.000Bring all your credit cards into our app and we'll give you one low fee and we'll consolidate everything.
01:16:07.000And then they're just going to keep...
01:16:09.000You know, giving you opportunities to want to buy stuff.
01:16:13.000And Facebook and Twitter and other places on the internet are talking to the credit karma people.
01:16:21.000And, you know, they're saying, well, hey, you know, this guy, he could probably, bless you, this guy could probably, you know, Joe could probably buy this brand new phone if we tell him that he can get a little more credit by being a good person, paying certain bills or other behaviors.
01:17:37.000It says here, when you pay your bills on time, when you are a good person and you pay your bills on time, we're going to give you more credit.
01:17:44.000This is like your parents saying, if you...
01:17:47.000But isn't that how credit works, period?
01:18:40.000So there's no one that can influence you and what you discuss and what you talk about in any way.
01:18:44.000No, the producers, we call our listeners producers, they totally influence me because if we're not entertaining or informative or whatever it is they don't like, they don't send money or they send less money or lower amounts and then we hurt.
01:18:57.000Of course, but what I'm saying is you don't have advertisers.
01:19:20.000You know, podcasting was decentralized by design.
01:19:23.000Dave Weiner and I, you know, 18 years ago, the whole idea was all you needed was a place to put an MP3 file and this weird text file, which was called a feed, an RSS feed.
01:19:35.000And as long as you had that, anyone with an application or an app who could subscribe and say, okay, you know, this podcast lives over here.
01:19:44.000I'm going to put that URL into my box.
01:19:46.000Then you had a direct connection with publisher to end user.
01:19:50.000Now, as that started to grow, you needed, you know, you got hosting companies, which make it easier for you.
01:19:58.000And then we got into the situation where, you know, people got tired of saying, you know, where do I find that podcast?
01:25:10.000He has his producer, Ben, who sits next to him, and he puts sunglasses on and goes on to these fucking wild, crazy rants, and YouTube demonetizes somewhere in the neighborhood of half of his podcasts.
01:25:24.000Now, if you were a person that wanted to maximize your profit, you would say, hey, what am I talking about that makes you demonetize me?
01:27:18.000That you don't have a situation where there's a comparable platform that does the same kind of numbers but doesn't censor as much and then these shows become more popular there and they earn more money.
01:28:20.000It's so easy to set up a little tripod and put your phone on it and start talking about cars or physical fitness or whatever the fuck you want to talk about.
01:28:29.000The idea that one company would have a complete monopoly on that, not only that, but do a great job of keeping it from being labeled as a monopoly.
01:28:39.000I mean, they really are a monopoly, but for no good reason.
01:28:44.000It's not like they're trying to stop other people from doing it.
01:28:47.000It's just they just have the market cornered.
01:29:18.000So 95% of people doing a podcast do it not for advertising revenue.
01:29:23.000They do it just because they want to speak their mind, say what they want to say.
01:29:27.000A lot of them will, if they use any other platform, even if they're using YouTube, I don't want to monetize because I want to have a longer chance to say what I can say.
01:31:25.000And people have different versions, ones that are made very much like Instagram.
01:31:30.000They have ones that work like YouTube.
01:31:32.000And it all comes down to this activity pub protocol that allows you to follow an account no matter what it's doing, no matter what server it's on.
01:31:41.000Let me see what this looks like, Jamie.
01:31:42.000It looks a lot like TweetDeck, which is a...
01:33:36.000You know, people are like, fuck that shit, we're going over here.
01:33:37.000And then it starts to build, and people get in arguments and build different versions, and then it becomes even more sophisticated, and shit falls off.
01:34:19.000It's like, how lonely is that fucking guy?
01:34:21.000Well, Andy Gibb, who wasn't really part of the Bee Gees, he was kind of a fourth member, he died, I believe, of an overdose or heart attack, drug-related, something like that.
01:35:21.000Saturday Night Fever plagued them because people, they were pigeonholed a bunch of disco dorks where if you look at their last couple of albums, when Big success all over, except America, really.
01:36:48.000Like, if you're a handsome person, or a beautiful woman, there's a lot of times where people will look at you and dismiss anything that you have to say.
01:39:33.000So this is, and I believe 100% in the law, and there's obvious people who are at fault here who made these deals and used this information incorrectly, but the law is the law.
01:39:44.000But the response, the public outcry, or lack of it, will be very different, I predict, and I don't want to equate these things, but I think the damage he's done to women is pretty fucking severe.
01:39:56.000Derek Chauvin may get off on a technicality somewhere down the road.
01:41:39.000The sooner we all agree, Tina and I often say, you know, as convinced as we are X, Y, and Z... Those people over there, they're just as fucking convinced about that, and we can't fault them for that.
01:42:10.000Human discourse just needs some limitations and, you know, social media has broken down a lot of walls and people are careless and don't think about how many people read or see what your intimate thoughts are or your snap judgment or your thought at that moment.
01:42:26.000There's also this real issue that we're facing today that people And I think a lot of it was exacerbated by the Trump administration, by the Trump presidency, that people can't accept if you have a different perspective on politics than they do.
01:42:43.000That you can't hang out with those people.
01:42:45.000Whereas it used to be you could have conservative friends and liberal friends and you would joke around with each other about your differences of opinions.
01:42:53.000I still have a lot of liberal friends and I still have a lot of conservative friends and I don't have a problem navigating those waters and I can have rational conversations with my conservative friends and I could even bring up things to my liberal friends that maybe As a liberal,
01:43:10.000they don't see things the way I see things.
01:43:14.000Particularly the need for the military, Second Amendment rights, things like that.
01:43:19.000And then there's just human nature issues.
01:43:22.000There's a lot of social issues that I agree with across the board in terms of liberals.
01:43:29.000There's a lot of things where I'm like, you have to take into consideration the fact that when you see, like, have you seen what's happening in Hollywood with the WeSpa?
01:44:21.000This is well organized, well funded, well directed.
01:44:25.000When you see the true Antifa with everything black, that's to be taken very, very seriously.
01:44:31.000I see no difference between black or brown shirts.
01:44:36.000Antifa is to be taken fucking seriously, and the reason that we're not taking it seriously is baffling to me, unless they are working on behalf of some political force.
01:45:08.000They're doing it in a very distasteful way.
01:45:11.000It is almost as if, now this is where I'll put on my tinfoil hat.
01:45:15.000If I wanted to engineer social unrest in this country, I would allow sloppy, stupid people to attack people that are standing up for something that is very difficult to argue.
01:45:29.000Here's what's very difficult to argue.
01:45:30.000We're not arguing trans people, their rights.
01:45:34.000Of course you have rights as a trans person.
01:45:36.000Of course you have the right to identify with whatever gender you choose.
01:45:41.000The problem is exposing your genitals to children.
01:45:46.000Now that was a core part of this story, was 9-year-old and 11-year-old girls that had to stare at a penis.
01:45:53.000And people were like, what's the difference?
01:46:31.000I'm saying that this is one of the reasons why we don't want men naked.
01:46:35.000If we have just like a universal sex bathroom, and everyone at a spa could just, men and women would all be naked together.
01:46:43.000Look, our society, it sounds rational, but our society is not engineered that way.
01:46:49.000We're not engineered, we did not grow up in a way where you just see people's penises and vaginas all day long from strangers.
01:46:56.000It's not, if we did, Maybe if we lived in some sort of tribe where this is a custom, where everybody just walks around naked, we would be accustomed to this and it'd be normal.
01:48:45.000The problem was, I was kind of freaked out, but what I saw is that changed over time, and it just went away, and it was no longer appropriate, and we had male and female.
01:50:57.000Like a hockey club or a football club or something like that.
01:51:01.000So if you went to a place to lift weights and there were showers, all the men and the women all got in there together and so you got to see everyone naked.
01:51:23.000And particularly in Europe, the Muslim integration into these countries has really, really turned back the clock on all kinds of gender and sexual freedom.
01:51:37.000You cannot walk as a same-sex couple down certain streets of Amsterdam or Rotterdam or any other major city because you will be spit on, whistled at, or maybe even assaulted.
01:51:47.000Have you read Douglas Murray's book, The Strange Death of Europe?
01:53:52.000But all these other refugees but immigrants from real Middle Eastern countries that have completely incompatible cultures with ours, their view on women.
01:54:04.000You sell this in France, you know, the whole idea of headgear, hijab versus the burqa, etc., etc.
01:55:37.000Well, ultimately, what I think has to happen is you need to, if you believe that, then you will go to a spa that does not have that policy.
01:55:47.000Yeah, but then the spas that don't have that policy are going to get attacked.
01:55:57.000It's like, I guess the woman who made that recording released that recording because she thought that she was going to shame these spa owners.
01:56:05.000We're saying this person identifies as a woman.
01:56:08.000That's another part of our cultural problem.
01:56:11.000Is this, oh, I've got to tell everybody.
01:56:17.000My thought is that when you see the kind of people that were representing the idea that this person should be able to have their penis out in front of little girls, that you saw these sloppy people.
01:57:11.000My problem is when people who, like, have strong beliefs against things like this, against things like a person with a penis being able to be in a bathroom with little girls, you're going to get violence.
01:58:39.000But it's sort of that, but it's also like a COVID thing now.
01:58:43.000It's a double-edged sort of situation.
01:58:49.000And look, they're using two phones to film at the same time.
01:58:52.000And they're chasing this lady, and they won't leave her alone.
01:58:57.000Right, well, what if this is your job?
01:58:59.000What if it's the lady's job to stand there and protest because she's been paid by some religious group, political group, whatever group it is, and what if the people in the black, what if they're paid by someone to go there and attack them?
02:00:12.000While we weren't looking in general, Joe, you and I, but certainly our parents, We were all busy making careers and being good people and working forward and making the world great.
02:00:28.000And a lot of mediocre people kind of slipped into places in politics and school boards.
02:00:34.000Stuff that we weren't interested in running for.
02:02:48.000I can be an influencer, and I can be like Jake Paul, and I can be like, you know, name it.
02:02:53.000And I can be a fitness model and make money.
02:02:56.000And yeah, of course, and that's full circle, except if you piss outside of the boat there, cancel, demonetize, you're done, your dream is over, forget about it, no career, go back to gig work.
02:03:09.000It's very destructive, and it's easy for us to see it, I think.
02:03:13.000It doesn't seem like any leaders in government or even academics give a shit.
02:03:19.000Well, this is why this is interesting to me when I watch these organizations, because these people are united in this community.
02:03:26.000And they might be a community of losers, but this is a community of people that have an idea.
02:03:32.000And this idea is that anybody that doesn't want this person with a penis to be in that girl's locker room because the person with a penis identifies as a woman, anybody who doesn't want that to happen is evil and a transphobe and we've got to stop them.
02:03:45.000So they all get together and they think they're right.
02:03:47.000That's why they're acting like bullies.
02:03:49.000They're all surrounding this one woman.
02:03:51.000Men feel like it's okay to throw water in her face publicly, push her with a skateboard, chase her across the street, film the whole thing.
02:03:59.000They're all shaming people and filming people and having these arguments.
02:04:03.000And this is maybe the only way that they feel united.
02:04:07.000They feel like they belong to something.
02:04:09.000They feel like they're a part of something bigger than themselves.
02:04:11.000And they want to change culture, whether it's right or wrong.
02:04:14.000The problem is they're getting these sound bites.
02:04:17.000They're getting these conversations in these little 140, 280 character bursts on Twitter where they're arguing with each other about points.
02:04:25.000Do you mind if- Do you mind if we have Jamie bring up Zuby's 20 points?
02:05:45.000Six, many politicians and large corporations will gladly sacrifice human lives if it is conducive to their political and financial aspirations.
02:09:09.000I mean, if I'm influenced by any one person in my thinking, George Carlin really, really put me in a headspace of, you know, it's a big fucking club and you ain't in it.
02:09:48.000It would basically be like kind of a one-man play.
02:09:51.000I've seen him do the one, he did it in D.C. It was one of his famous rants, and he said, look, I'm still working on this, and he actually started over, because he was reading it, getting it exactly right.
02:11:59.000But my point is that it affirms that we don't have a script, and we're just ranting.
02:12:05.000I've had conversations with people about podcasts where they don't exactly know how this works, and they go, okay, so when you get together, say if you and Adam Curry are going to do a podcast, Do you guys talk about what you're going to talk about in advance?
02:12:19.000I'm like, we don't have a fucking clue.
02:12:21.000We literally, we don't think about it.
02:12:24.000I mean, there's a few things that I wanted to bring up today.
02:12:26.000I don't even remember what they are anymore.
02:12:28.000The fact is, you make it look easier than it is.
02:12:46.000It's like, oh my god, this guy's giving and taking, and if you're open to it, and I think all people with some intelligence, most people you have on are pretty fucking smart.
02:12:55.000They feel that, and the unlimited, uncensored, non-timed performance is so counter to everything you do in broadcasting, in film, in comedy.
02:13:31.000Dude, it's great that you get all this cool stuff, but it really ruins the market.
02:13:37.000So when I built my desk after I gave you Drew and let him cut in line...
02:13:42.000You know these things these these sound panels the company now sells them You know they I think they were created for you special and they even had like the previous one had JRE logos on it Yeah, this thing's like 600 bucks a pop now for it for a cough button Thanks Joe Rogan.
02:14:00.000You get this one right in front of you.
02:20:01.000And so you go out into the outback in the middle of the night, and it's pitch black, and the guy's just driving, nothing's on, and then all of a sudden they'll stop.
02:20:30.000Their testicles are stronger than their feet?
02:20:32.000Well, the balance is perfect, because you can grab them, hang them upside down, and they break the left hind leg so it's not flapping in the wind, and they tie it back, and they're good to go.
02:20:42.000And they are, I always thought kangaroos, Skippy, you know, this is cute.
02:21:49.000In the Outback, you know, we were with guides, and they literally set up like a manhole cover with a fire under it, and that was for throwing the goddamn steaks on.
02:21:59.000It was truly shrimp on—no shrimp on the Barbies.
02:26:42.000And a lot of those people, he was explaining to me how they had, there's these, what they call mobs, like their tribe is called a mob.
02:26:51.000And there would be one mob here and then there's another one, you know, 20 kilometers over there and they don't even speak the same language.
02:28:25.000They had decided that these people, for whatever reason, had to go, and so they poisoned their whole family, the whole tribe.
02:28:34.000God put a weird fucking piece of shit into us, didn't it?
02:28:38.000It's like, you can be good people, but we all are susceptible to a very mean and evil streak.
02:28:43.000I think we had lived tooth and claw for so long that it's in our DNA. We forgot about I think we had lived tooth and claw amongst predators and amongst neighboring warring tribes,
02:29:00.000So maybe that's what's happening, except instead of clubs and other things, we first start on social media, and we start tooth and claw, as you say.
02:29:51.000And podcasting does bring some of that back.
02:29:53.000What these people show, what I see just based on them behaving and what they look like, is a lack of personal accountability and a lack of discipline.
02:30:02.000Those things are huge for cultures and we've always had that.
02:30:07.000Life has always been hard and it's good that life is not hard, right?
02:30:11.000It's good that babies, we don't have a high infant mortality rate.
02:30:15.000It's good that people don't die when they have diseases or they don't die when they break their leg.
02:30:59.000The elites of the world, the Davos Club, I would say, the central bankers and politicians, I understand why they, and this goes back to before climate change, the population bomb.
02:31:09.000They've always wanted to contain population.
02:31:14.000And Prince Philip would say, well, most people are just useless eaters.
02:31:57.000I think it's a lot less spooky or nefarious as just someone who said, hey, if the world goes to shit and everything blows up, these Guidestones will show you, A, how to tell time, how to tell direction, how to keep a calendar, and I have a couple other things here, which is, hey,
02:32:12.000don't let it grow by 500 million because it turns to shit and you'll do it all over again.
02:32:15.000I think that's the basic idea of the Georgia Guidestones.
02:32:19.000But, of course, technology has changed everything.
02:32:22.000There's no reason why we can't make enough food for everybody.
02:32:25.000We do all have to kind of be on the same playing field and participate in the system.
02:32:31.000And I think that we've seen a class that, you know, is...
02:32:41.000We've kind of lost that, and technology is a part of that.
02:33:34.000I'd gone to the U.S. on a vacation, family vacation, and you had phone dialers, which was the doo-doo-doo-doo.
02:33:40.000You could have a little address book, or you could just store a number, and you could hold it up to the receiver, and it would dial like a touchtone.
02:33:47.000There were no touchtone phones in the Netherlands.
02:34:36.000This is an interesting thing about the free market, right?
02:34:39.000People don't realize that at one point in time when you would call people, like if you wanted to call someone, if you lived in LA and you want to call someone in New York, you'd have to pay long distance charges.
02:34:49.000You'd have to get your long distance carrier.
02:36:46.000I have the Radio Shack brick, which is even cooler, the black one.
02:36:50.000And then, of course, it was at a certain point before BlackBerry, it was called RIM, RIM Mobile.
02:36:57.000RIM had this system where you could get an HP digital assistant, you know, a little thing where you open it up and you had a calendar and you could add a little keyboard, you know, a piece of shit like that, plastic.
02:37:08.000You could stick in a card and the card would then connect you to the RIM mobile network and you could send messages or emails to someone else who had that system.
02:37:17.000And my buddy, my partner at the time, Ron Bloom, We were doing a sales call.
02:38:43.000And we were so filled with promise and we really, you know, the world's going to be accessible and everything will be at your fingertips and we're all going to be able to interact and play with children from other lands.
02:39:05.000They should be teaching children about the internet, how it works, how you can use it to your own advantage outside of what is known as the internet.
02:39:13.000The internet is not Twitter, Facebook, Google, etc.
02:39:40.000The segregation is people will be traveling in groups that are mainstream or not mainstream.
02:39:45.000And on the street, you won't recognize anyone any differently, but they will have different information or they will share things in different ways.
02:39:52.000They will probably associate with each other in different venues.
02:39:56.000And it's just going to be the mainstream versus the non-mainstream.
02:39:59.000And it's my belief that the non-mainstream will be much bigger, much larger, but because it's decentralized and you don't have one superstar somewhere.
02:40:09.000Whereas in the news you have your superstars.
02:40:11.000And the mind-control trap that people get caught in, the outrage.
02:40:31.000I may want to dip into it from time to time just to see what's going on, but I'm going to be over here with people who are more civilized and the systems are civilized.
02:42:00.000But some people I see as those sloppy people outside of that, on both sides, outside of that wee spa, like hitting each other over the head with skateboards.
02:42:09.000I don't think they're thinking that well.
02:42:11.000But a part of that is, I don't know how large, but a part of that is Warhol's 15 minutes.
02:45:15.000In the Atlantic today, Flanagan, I forget her first name, she quit Twitter for 28 days.
02:45:21.000It's a pretty interesting article how she had her son manage that, and she goes through all these withdrawal symptoms that she had during this 28 days.
02:45:29.000Very smart, educated woman, writer, and, you know, so it's a drug, and we just have to recognize.
02:46:50.000Just because of Podcasting 2.0, I was able to figure out that we probably have about a million to a million four people listening to each show, which is more than I actually thought.
02:48:42.000I think that's one of the things you pioneered above all is getting other people on your show who had a podcast or inspired them to become a podcaster.
02:48:52.000That's really a big part of the contribution that you have given to what podcasting is.
02:49:40.000There's no agreement other than just we're all just cool to each other.
02:49:44.000One of the things that I recognized in the comedy world early on was that there wasn't the right amount of camaraderie with comedians because...
02:49:56.000They were thinking of each other as competition rather than thinking of each other as comrades or colleagues or just fellow participants in this rare art form.
02:50:08.000I don't know how many professional comedians there are in the country, but there's less than a thousand.
02:51:01.000And that spirit, when we started podcastindex.org, it's all free open source.
02:51:06.000And 50 people now, more, 60 have shown up software developers who all have day jobs and they all have an idea.
02:51:14.000One guy's creating an app and he thinks he can be successful with this app in one way.
02:51:19.000Another guy is doing cells, statistics and data about podcasts and he's doing his own thing.
02:51:26.000And so we're all kind of in this coopetition where we're developing the protocols and the features to be better and we all have our own little thing where we think we're going to be successful with it.
02:51:37.000And all of a sudden there's like a developer conference and they do like a Zoom call with 25 people.
02:51:43.000And I look at this like, holy fuck, here's at least a payroll of $25 million.
02:52:10.000They're just people with families, and there's a diffusion of responsibility when you have a corporation that has hundreds of thousands of employees, and you're just one person making decisions and pushing buttons.
02:53:49.000You have a lot of shares that you say you have, but they're not really in the system.
02:53:54.000So we're going to show you, and we're going to fuck you by buying all the shares that are available so your short position goes through the roof.
02:55:12.000My dollar purchasing power is devaluing by 10% a year just by inflation.
02:55:18.000It's real and part of that is printing money.
02:55:21.000So unless I get a raise of 10% a year, I'm not going to be able to buy a house.
02:55:25.000So enter, and this is why the history of money is interesting, enter Bitcoin, which went from a white paper to a currency in El Salvador and Paraguay maybe coming next within 10 years.
02:56:19.000If you really look at what it is and you apply financial math, it's a great hedge against any other fiat currency like the dollar or the euro, etc.
02:56:30.000And there are a lot of smart kids out there who have seen this and are driving this.
02:56:46.000There's something big happening here that is, for obvious reasons, not really being discussed in the mainstream, and that's truly what the movement behind Bitcoin is.
02:56:55.000But don't you think the people in the mainstream, a lot of them are just still skeptical that it's going to stick?
03:00:21.000And I don't know how many of them fail, but there's a lot of disappointment there.
03:00:24.000But this is alternatives to all systems that we have currently.
03:00:29.000What I tell people about podcasting is you can't make money in podcasting if you're trying to do podcasting to make money.
03:00:36.000But if you want to do a good job, if you just want to make a great podcast and you just keep doing it, you probably will, I can't guarantee, you probably will make money though.
03:00:45.000You must ask your listeners, or as we call them producers, to support you.
03:00:50.000And what I found works early on with no agenda.
03:00:54.000If you say, support me with five bucks a month, you get a lot of people who send you five bucks a month.
03:00:59.000If you say, make it a number meaningful to you, whatever you thought this show was worth, how much value was it, you get a lot of people who send you five bucks.
03:01:07.000Some will send you 50, and some will send you 500. You will make more money if you let the price discovery over to the value if you let the person who has consumed that determine what it's worth to them.
03:01:23.000Some people spend 50 bucks like it's 5 cents.
03:01:26.000And they also listen to my show, our show.
03:01:29.000Some people, I mean, we have crazy numbers sometimes.
03:01:33.000And so your newsletter is basically like things that you find interesting or worthy of discussion?
03:01:38.000Stuff that's going to come up in the next show.
03:03:55.000But what we do is we take these request forms out and hand them out to all the patients because they had three channels, the three government channels, and then number four, that was Radio Tulipa in the Tulip Hospital.
03:04:08.000And we were so bored with this whole process of handing the shit out, but we said, why don't we take the kids down, because the studio was in the corner of like an auditorium, and we'll roll the beds down.
03:04:18.000And they can sit there, they can watch us.
03:04:20.000And I don't know what happened, but at a certain point, it was Iggy Pop's Lust for Life, and we're playing bumper beds with these kids, and they're tripping out, and it's like, fuck!
03:05:58.000One thing that does give me hope about podcasting is that podcasts, this podcast, yours, many others, you can have people differing political persuasions.
03:06:24.000Some of the things about the nefarious intent, whether or not these things are actual conspiracies or whether or not people are just taking advantages of situations and it could appear to be conspiracy.
03:06:36.000I mean, maybe I'm naive, or maybe I'm just pointing out human nature is hard to figure out.
03:06:41.000Well, the world's history is pretty violent and bloody, and there's war and violence and blood and all kinds of shit going on at this very moment, and we just don't think about it.