In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, I sit down with writer and podcaster Abby Martin to talk about her new book, "The Occupation of Palestine: What's the Real Story?" and why it's so important to know the truth about what's really going on in the Gaza Strip. We talk about the current situation in Gaza, what's going on over there, and why we should care about it. We also talk about why Israel should be held accountable for the crimes they're committing in Gaza and why they should be punished for it. And we talk about how the mainstream media has lost control of the narrative that paints Israel as the good guy and the Palestinians as the bad guy, and how the truth is actually much more complicated than that. Check it out! -Joe Rogan Podcast by Day, by Night, All Day. All Day is a podcast by day, all day, by night, all night. -Abby Martin - The Occupation: What is it really like in Gaza? What are the real facts about the situation in the Golan Heights and what is going on there? What does it really mean Who are the good guys and the bad guys Why is it important to be a human being in the Occupation? Why do we care about what s happening in Gaza ? How do we need to care about the truth and not the lies we tell ourselves about it? - What are we should we really be doing in the truth in the first place and much more, and what do we really need to do to make a better understanding of the truth? And much more? Thank you for listening to this episode, Abby Martin I hope you enjoy it! - Thank you so much for being here! Joe Rogans Podcast by Night Podcast by day - All Day, All Night, By Night, by Day - By Night Thanks for listening, Joe's Journey by Night - By Day, By Day - by Night by Night? I'll see you soon! I love you, bye! - Joe's Train by Day Joe's Podcasts by Night! - The Joad Experience by Day & Night, The Joked Podcast by Night's Podcast by By Day by Night - by Day | By Night by Day by Day? (By Night, all Day, I'll Talk About It? , All Day By Day
00:00:33.000Well, a lot of this stuff is depressing, and it's not for everyone, but you try to just go balls deep.
00:00:39.000Because I grew up in the YouTube generation, and I learned so much, and I want to be that source for a lot of people.
00:00:45.000I want to guide people through the journey of learning about real education and all the sinister shit your government's doing.
00:00:52.000Sinister shit all governments are doing.
00:00:54.000I remember one of the first times, not one of the first times, but one of the...
00:00:58.000One of the biggest times that I got blowback from having you on was your personal experience interviewing people in Israel, interviewing Israelis and interviewing Palestinians and trying to sort through, like,
00:01:20.000It must have been a campaign because it was like the same letter over and over and over again I was receiving in my inbox.
00:01:26.000It must have been like a website where you could go and then sign it and then send it to me.
00:01:31.000But don't you think that the tide has shifted in that subject where now people are realizing, like they're going, hey, This is not as simple as the mainstream media wants everybody to look at it.
00:01:46.000The way the mainstream media was portraying it in this country, it was always that Israel's the good guys, the Palestinians are the bad people.
00:02:04.000When you see the Iron Dome, and you see these rockets being fired out of Palestine, and they're all getting detonated in the air, and then you realize, oh, this is kind of a crazy situation.
00:02:17.000One side has this insane technology, and the other side is...
00:02:22.000Kind of in an open air prison camp, in a way.
00:02:30.00025% of American Jews now, after the latest onslaught in Gaza, believe Israel's an apartheid state.
00:02:36.000And that shows you how dramatically the narrative has completely flipped on its head.
00:02:41.000Because for the last 20 years, Israel's been losing control of dictating the narrative.
00:02:46.000I mean, that was really what they relied on for so long, that we're acting in self-defense, that we're surrounded by people who hate us and hypothetically will commit genocide against us.
00:02:55.000To basically defend the fact that they are committing de facto genocide in Gaza, that is the erasure of Gaza residents.
00:03:45.000I saw some crazy-ass ad from Dior of people basically just having this very ritzy time, living in Tel Aviv, living in Jerusalem, and completely...
00:03:58.000Just separate from the fact that there is this besieged ghetto of two million people denied basic access to things like water and electricity.
00:04:08.000I mean, the right to have human mobility, I think, is like the most basic right that you can have as a human being, like to leave and freely travel.
00:04:46.000They're filming themselves getting bombed relentlessly for no reason other than collective punishment and torture of this area.
00:04:53.000And that is convincing the world and actually bringing more people to their side.
00:04:59.000The sympathy is now going to Palestinians, where even Democratic voters—a Gallup poll is taken every single year of Democratic Party voters and where they're at on the Israel-Palestine thing.
00:05:09.000And this year, for the first time in the history of the poll, more Democratic Party voters say that the pressure needs to be put on Israel— And it's just because of this.
00:05:19.000It's because the narrative's changing, Joe, and they've lost the moral high ground here.
00:05:23.000They have targeted munitions that the U.S. supplies to them.
00:05:27.000They choose to target entire families' homes.
00:05:30.000They choose to kill 14 members of one family sleeping in their bed at night because maybe one person has ties to Hamas.
00:05:37.000Hamas has indiscriminate rocket fire because they don't have targeted munitions.
00:05:44.000One side has all the armaments in the world supplied by the world's empire, and they actually direct these missiles towards sleeping families and civilian infrastructure and AP buildings.
00:05:56.000Don't they let them know in advance when they're doing something?
00:05:58.000Don't they drop leaflets and let them know that- So that's what they claim, that we're the most moral army in the world because we warn people in advance.
00:06:06.000I have contacts on the ground in Gaza that said that is not true, and also this was happening at night.
00:06:47.000And they have used Hamas governing the Gaza Strip as a reason since Hamas pushed Israeli settlers out back in the day 15 years ago as a reason to enact this medieval siege and tighten the noose every year, allow less and less people to leave,
00:07:03.000allow less and less water, bomb more and more factories.
00:07:06.000You know, all of these things that basically make life harder and harder.
00:07:10.000But the thing is, if you look at actually the history, the Israeli government facilitated Hamas to rise to power.
00:07:17.000They wanted Hamas to take control of the Gaza Strip.
00:07:19.000So then they can use Hamas as this eternal enemy to collectively punish everyone there.
00:07:25.000And it's actually a war crime upon war crime upon war crime because this is indiscriminate bombing.
00:07:31.00050% of people who live in Gaza are children.
00:08:40.000We interviewed several of these people, medics, journalists, children.
00:08:45.000I mean, all of these people are protected categories under the Geneva Conventions.
00:08:48.000They were targeted and shot by Israeli snipers and they were peacefully protesting.
00:08:53.000And that just shows you it does not matter what they do.
00:08:56.000They will get met with the same brutality And violence.
00:09:01.000So do you think it's a part of their culture?
00:09:04.000Has something been ingrained in them that there's like this us versus them mentality and that they are the other and that they don't think of them as the same?
00:09:15.000Yeah, I mean, 73% of Israelis wanted the bombing to continue.
00:09:19.000You know, this was a completely indiscriminate bombing campaign that was leveling civilian infrastructure.
00:09:23.000We all saw those buildings fall like 9-11.
00:09:26.000I mean, this was a huge media tower that was leveled for no reason.
00:09:30.000There was no proof that Hamas was even in the building.
00:09:32.000This is part of a subtler colonial attitude.
00:09:35.000You look at, you know, US institutions like our justice system and police force, you know, there's no doubt that there's racism when it comes to the disproportionality of people who are in prison, for example, in terms of African Americans.
00:09:50.000Imagine if the U.S. were colonizing native land and just subjugating these people today.
00:10:09.000What do you think they're trying to do?
00:10:10.000Do you think they're just trying to take over Palestine and just completely occupy it?
00:10:14.000Yeah, they're trying to take over the land.
00:10:16.000That is why all of the Israeli authorities have abandoned the two-state solution a long time ago.
00:10:21.000Hamas even actually said that they would accept a two-state solution.
00:10:25.000In their latest charter, they said that they're willing to accept a two-state solution, but no Israeli authority Has actually given that, you know, credence.
00:10:36.000Could you lay that out for people, the two-state solution?
00:10:38.000So what you're essentially saying is that Israel and Palestine at one point in time did not want to accept the existence of each other, right?
00:10:50.000Well, so Israel was founded on top of Palestine, you know, but the original partition, which is the 1948 borders, that Israel has continued to take more than that.
00:11:07.000Gaza was kind of a surplus area for refugees that were basically expelled during the original foundation of Israel.
00:11:13.000And then you have Jerusalem, which is this international city center where people are supposed to coexist.
00:11:19.000So ever since 1948, Israel has continued to take more and more and more.
00:11:24.000And that's why you see that famous, like, you know, the quadrant of the four maps of Palestine and more and more land has been atomized over time.
00:11:35.000In 67, they committed, you know, they went on a huge war of aggression and took...
00:11:40.000We've occupied the West Bank in Gaza under military occupation and the West Bank today continues to be occupied under an Israeli military dictatorship where you cannot do anything.
00:11:52.000For the people that are just listening, Jamie pulled up this map of Palestinian loss of land from 1946 to 2014. So it shows before Israel was decided, before it was called Israel, it shows Palestine,
00:12:08.000and then it shows Jewish land in Palestine.
00:13:04.000And human rights must be distributed equally, which means apartheid must fall.
00:13:09.000So those little specks of land that are dotted throughout the territory, that is what they say should be the Palestinian state.
00:13:15.000How could the Palestinian state exist if it's already taken over and atomized by settlements?
00:13:21.000And when I was on the ground in the West Bank, it's like it's hard to wrap your mind around the reality of it until you're there and you have to go through these military checkpoints.
00:13:31.000People hear, oh, it's under military occupation.
00:13:33.000They think of like, oh, there's a base, there's soldiers milling around.
00:13:36.000This is like fucking the US military in Iraq.
00:13:39.000This is dehumanizing, subjugating, humiliating occupation on a daily basis that you have to endure.
00:14:18.000If you're an Israeli settler and you kill a Palestinian, you can't even get arrested.
00:14:23.000There's no direction that the PA could have to even arrest an Israeli settler.
00:14:30.000Settler just has all the rights and they're sanctioned by the state to do whatever the fuck they want and they can walk around with guns, point a gun to your head, expel you from your home.
00:14:39.000And Joe, I don't know if you saw that crazy ass video that basically paints the picture of what I'm talking about right now of a settler from New Jersey or Long Island saying, Hey, if I don't take your home, someone else will.
00:14:52.000He's literally moving into a Palestinian's home in Jerusalem, which is supposed to be this shared center.
00:15:47.000This neighborhood is home to 3,000 Palestinians, many of whom were descendants.
00:15:51.000Now Israel, during the ethnic cleansing of 1948, Israel has been ordering the eviction of Palestinian families who've lived in, how do you say that?
00:16:39.000He's being paid by U.S. organizations and NGOs to go and squat in a Palestinian home.
00:16:43.000What is an NGO? Like a non-governmental organization, like just an organization that's backed by rich people who just say, okay, I'm going to pay you.
00:16:52.000You go squat in this person's home and force them out.
00:17:01.000How are they trying to get these families to leave their houses?
00:17:04.000So, this is the problem is that there's a court order that's just totally fallaciously concocted by the Israeli court system because everything is discriminatory against Palestinians and everything is disenfranchised geared toward pushing Palestinians out.
00:17:18.000So they have these concocted documents that they can use to be like, look, we have this court order, so therefore we need to push you out.
00:17:26.000The Palestinians are fighting it, but who's going to win at the end, Joe?
00:17:31.000I mean, this is a demographic law that's in place, which means that 70% of Jerusalem needs to be Israeli Jews.
00:17:37.000So what happens when you have 31% who are Palestinian Arabs?
00:17:41.000They need to be expelled to maintain that artificial majority, to maintain that demographic.
00:17:48.000There's incredible twins, brother and sister Muhammad and Mona al-Kurd, who are filming their reality.
00:19:30.000It's not just to build homes for Israeli settlers like in Sheikh Jarrah.
00:19:35.000So they have these homes in Sheikh Jarrah that these people are living in and then they pay people to just move into these people's homes and force them out.
00:19:50.000And what's the official government stance on this?
00:19:54.000Like, what do they say when confronted about this?
00:19:58.000Well, they say that this is, I mean, this is what Israel is.
00:20:01.000Israel is an artificial Jewish majority state.
00:20:05.000So their end goal is to push all Palestinians out, and they want to make it unlivable.
00:20:10.000But they claim that they have these, you know, court orders that force these mass evictions, which really don't hold up in any sort of fair system.
00:20:20.000So they just decide the boundaries have been pushed back and this is now our territory.
00:20:26.000And so all these people that live in these homes, they have to abandon these homes because if it's our territory, you can't live here because you're Palestinian.
00:20:40.000In October, the Israeli Magistrate Court of Jerusalem ruled to evict 12 of the 24 Palestinian families in Sheikh Jarrah and to give their homes to Israeli Jewish settlers.
00:20:51.000The court also ruled that each family must pay 70,000 shekels, $20,000, in fees to cover the settlers' legal expenses.
00:21:01.000Wow, so not only do they have to cover the settlers' legal expenses, but they also have to, in some cases in Silwan, pay to demolish their own homes.
00:21:09.000Well, it seems like they're saying they have to pay for the legal expenses that these guys had to sort of fight them to take their homes.
00:21:52.000And this is happening every single day, but I think that because Sheikh Jarrah is a flashpoint in Jerusalem, it's become like a shocking thing for the media to cover.
00:22:00.000I mean, this is happening all the time in the West Bank, where people are, you know, their homes are getting demolished for just the minor of things that they maybe build an extension to their kitchen or something like that.
00:22:12.000But in Sheikh Jarrah and Silwan, it's in Jerusalem, which is supposed to be this shared center place where Israel touts, you know, all these holy sites are there.
00:22:20.000And Israel touts it as, we all live in peace and harmony within this area, but it's not true at all.
00:22:26.000And even within the 1948 borders, you saw mass mobs going, pulling people out of taxis, saying, are you Arab?
00:22:34.000Beating the shit out of people in the streets.
00:22:46.000You had Al-Aqsa Mosque, which is the third holiest site in Islam, on fire and thousands of Jewish Israeli settlers chanting death to Arabs and burn their memory, looking at this ancient, incredible mosque in flames.
00:23:02.000And the new Prime Minister, Naftali Bennett, actually is part of this extremist settler movement who wants to basically take over Al-Aqsa and build a Jewish temple.
00:23:12.000And again, just imagine if thousands of Muslim extremists...
00:23:18.000We're chanting in front of an ancient synagogue, death to Jews.
00:23:22.000I mean, you just can't wrap your mind around it.
00:23:25.000Look at all the fucking Hubba Baloo over Notre Dame on fire.
00:23:30.000People were throwing tens of millions of dollars and everyone was up in arms about it.
00:23:34.000But when Al-Aqsa's on fire and when they're attacking it with stun grenades and smoke bombs during Ramadan...
00:23:44.000Were they trying to find the people who did something?
00:23:49.000Like, what was the idea behind the smoke bombs and all that?
00:23:51.000So they were attacking worshippers during Ramadan, which is a very holy time.
00:23:56.000And it was all in part of this onslaught in Sheikh Jarrah and these home demolitions, not home demolitions, but the forced expulsions in Jerusalem and all the pogroms.
00:24:06.000You saw, like, You know, thousands of people marching throughout the streets, chanting death to Arabs, and it was a very, very scary time.
00:24:13.000So Palestinians rightfully were protesting, and they were protesting around Al-Aqsa, and that's when the Israeli police attacked and started firing, not live ammunition at that time, but they were firing smoke bombs and grenades, and a hundred worshippers or something had to go to the hospital that night.
00:24:29.000And so they did this into the mosque, but the people in the mosque weren't in the middle of protesting.
00:24:51.000Because I remember when you had those interviews, when you went over to Israel and you interviewed these people that had this very nonchalant attitude about just kill them all.
00:25:00.000And, you know, there was a lot of pushback about that.
00:25:38.000Look, not only did we not cherry-pick the interviews, but like you just said, Joe, if you go to the Deep South in the most racist areas of the United States, sure, you'd find people who believe similar types of things, but how quickly would you find enough people all at once saying, kill all the black people?
00:25:57.000I mean, that's a real genocidal rhetoric.
00:26:00.000There was even people laughing about it and gleefully telling an American documentarian knowing on camera.
00:26:07.000I mean, if that's what you're willing to say on camera, what are you willing to say behind closed doors?
00:26:11.000So is this like just a, do you think this is a culturally accepted perception of the way they view Jewish people versus Palestinian people?
00:26:21.000And this is something that's been passed down Yeah, I mean, racism is palpable because of the situation that they're in.
00:26:27.000They're conditioned, born and bred, hating Palestinians, otherizing Palestinians.
00:26:34.000You have forced, you know, segregation in schools.
00:26:37.000There's so many elements and layers to the racism, the deep-seated racism that exists in Israeli society.
00:26:44.000But really, ultimately, you have to In order to accept the fact that you are a colonizer, that you are an oppressor and subjugating people just right across the way in this open air prison, subjugating basically 5 million Palestinians either live in Gaza or the West Bank.
00:27:01.000And they are being tortured and subjugated and oppressed every single day.
00:27:05.000And you have to be okay with that to a certain extent to be a proud Zionist.
00:27:14.000Did you find anybody over there that was either any Israelis over there that were opposed to this line of thinking, opposed to this perception, opposed to the actions of Israel against the Palestinians?
00:27:28.000There are definitely leftists in Israel, and I don't mean to say that there are not.
00:27:32.000Of course there are people trying to push back against the government, of course.
00:27:36.000I don't know how many anti-Zionists there are, because why would you live in Israel?
00:27:40.000I know a lot of Israelis who have emigrated to Europe or America, because it's just too much to live there and kind of be surrounded by this kind of mentality.
00:27:51.000But I mean, yes, simple answer is yes, there are plenty of people there who disagree with the occupation, who maybe want the siege to be lifted on Gaza because it's too much.
00:28:02.000But I would say at the end of the day, the vast majority agree with the whole premise of the colonial project.
00:28:09.000And I do know that, you know, it's kind of dangerous to be an out.
00:28:14.000If I lived there, I would be in danger.
00:28:16.000Even Bet Salem, which is a human rights organization that has openly declared Israel to be an apartheid state, they operate in Israel and they are in danger.
00:28:24.000Well, you probably can't even visit there anymore.
00:28:51.000And it's very scary, especially for the people who worked with us, because they know that they could be penalized and punished for having their name on the documentary.
00:29:08.000Look no further than Naftali Bennett, this dude who's the new prime minister, who said openly, bragged, I've killed a lot of Arabs in my life and there's nothing wrong with that.
00:29:21.000He has openly declared there should be no Palestinian state.
00:29:24.000He's actually more right-wing than Netanyahu himself.
00:29:26.000And you see the US politicians pointing to Netanyahu and being like, look, Netanyahu's an extremist.
00:29:39.000They are outgrowths of a lot of true things about Israel, just like Trump was a true manifestation of a lot of where American society was at.
00:29:47.000But the liberals They want to sanitize this reality from us.
00:29:52.000They don't want us to hear from Israeli citizens.
00:29:56.000That's the thing that's disturbing is when you talk to American intellectuals who are very bright people but either are supporters of Israel or are American Jews and they have sort of a blind allegiance towards Israel in a lot of ways.
00:30:25.000But I think seeing some of the things that you uncovered in your work and seeing some of those interviews and to recognize that it's a very disturbed place.
00:30:41.000There's no clear moral high ground for these people when you're talking about shooting people that are just working as press or shooting people that are medics.
00:30:53.000It's one of those things, too, where if you ask someone, like, how do you fix this?
00:30:59.000How does one resolve the conflict in the Middle East?
00:31:02.000That might be, like, the biggest problem in all of world politics.
00:31:05.000Like, ask someone, how do you resolve the crisis in the Middle East?
00:31:45.000But pulling the Bernie Sanders card, he said he would condition all aid in accordance to international law, which goes back to the BDS thing, right?
00:31:54.000We want the occupation to be lifted, which flies in the face of international law.
00:31:58.000We want the right to return and we want apartheid to fall.
00:32:01.000And once those things happen, once we have equal rights for everyone, then we can see where we're at.
00:32:08.000What does that mean, occupation lifted?
00:32:11.000So there's a brutal Israeli military dictatorship that's been imposed on the West Bank, and it has been since 67. And this is preventing people from organizing politically.
00:32:25.000I know people who've been in jail for years and years with no trial because they were an organizer.
00:32:32.000You know, they were politically active.
00:32:40.000You saw plenty of footage that came out of the last onslaught and the last stuff that was going on of people simply raising a flag, which is illegal under the Israeli military dictatorship.
00:32:51.000You cannot hold up a symbol of your culture.
00:33:18.000I mean, this goes along with the whole BDS thing, but there are 30 states in the US that have passed legislation that says you cannot make money at a state institution as an independent contractor unless you sign a contract saying that you will never advocate the boycott of Israel and never engage in the boycott of Israel.
00:36:21.000I mean, you actually can't wrap your mind around it because it's totally incomprehensible and flies in the face of logic that actually they would alter our laws to benefit a foreign country.
00:36:31.000But when you see things like the John Cena thing, or when you see things like the NBA kowtowing to China, and even the World Health Organization, I'm sure you saw that spokesperson who wouldn't even recognize that Taiwan was a country, wouldn't say it.
00:37:14.000But it shows you the crazy influence that one country can have.
00:37:18.000And we sort of accept it with some countries, but with other countries, we're deeply disturbed by it.
00:37:25.000Countries that we don't think are our allies, we're deeply disturbed by it, like this China thing.
00:37:31.000But this idea that these institutions or these countries can have any effect whatsoever on our First Amendment rights That's very disturbing.
00:37:43.000And it should be something that raises people's hackles.
00:37:47.000It should put people up in arms because that's a precedent.
00:37:51.000And if that gets set because we're allies with a country and we allow it to happen because we're allies, you can't talk badly about, you can't advocate for whatever you're advocating for.
00:38:02.000If you're advocating for boycotts or not visiting or sanctions against them, that's a super slippery slope.
00:38:12.000All we'd have to do is have these kind of relationships with a lot of different countries.
00:38:18.000And now you can't talk about anything anymore.
00:38:23.000It's so unbelievable that this has happened under the radar.
00:38:28.000And you have actually a foreign leader bragging about it.
00:38:32.000Netanyahu took to Twitter and he was like, we've worked really hard to lobby these states, to pass these.
00:38:36.000I think they're throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks because they know it's unconstitutional.
00:38:41.000When they've been challenged before in a couple of states, I think four states, they've faced legal challenges and they've all been ruled unconstitutional because they are!
00:42:30.000Who was discussing what he knows of the world's plan.
00:42:35.000And I mean basically Israel serves as an important strategic partnership with the U.S. military because we can manage operations, we can use them as a battering ram and a military garrison out there.
00:42:47.000There's a video of it, Jamie, where you can hear Wesley.
00:43:40.000He says, there's nothing new that way.
00:43:42.000They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.
00:43:45.000He said, I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take down governments.
00:43:53.000And he said, I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.
00:44:00.000So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan.
00:44:05.000I said, are we still going to war with Iraq?
00:44:07.000And he said, oh, it's worse than that.
00:44:09.000He said, he reached over on his desk, he picked up a piece of paper, and he said, I just got this down from upstairs, meeting the Secretary of Defense's office today, and he said, this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and then Syria,
00:44:25.000Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.
00:44:49.000Which actually is interesting because a lot of people think the tail wags the dog or Israel controls the US. No, it's very obviously that the US is using Israel for its military goals and regional domination, which means that it can be untenable,
00:45:06.000which means that we can make it inconvenient for the US to care about subsidizing Israel.
00:45:14.000You know, if enough pressure is mounted, they will abandon the project.
00:45:19.000They have similar goals but not congruent goals and interests.
00:45:22.000They don't care if Israel takes over all of Palestine.
00:45:25.000That doesn't really matter to the US political establishment.
00:45:29.000Do you think that part of the way this is all playing out is because the fact that they're backed up by the United States and the United States gives them like these crazy laws like what you faced in Georgia and they have these sort of the attitude over here that like this is our that's our guard dog over there like we'll we'll let this thing loose we'll do whatever we can to support them because we need them we need them to protect our assets over there and so we empower them in A wild way,
00:45:59.000like in not ever talking about these atrocities and really kind of glossing over the things that you've highlighted.
00:46:07.000I mean, it's totally subsidized by the U.S. And that's why during the Great March of Return, you saw these toothless resolutions passed by the U.N. being like, we condemn Israel.
00:46:15.000And the U.S. has veto power on the world stage.
00:46:19.000There's something called the Hague Invasion Act that says if you even try to indict U.S. officials for war crimes, you can fucking be invaded by the U.S. I mean, there is so much power and domination from the U.S. as the supplier.
00:46:33.000And backer of these states like Saudi Arabia and Israel that no one can do anything about it until we act here.
00:46:40.000Is there propaganda that the Israeli people are exposed to that gives them this perspective?
00:46:46.000Like is there a concerted effort to try to demonize the people that live in Palestine?
00:46:51.000Do they try to do this to make it so that they do accept these sort of dehumanizing tactics?
00:47:12.000It's a dark truth, but it is very similar.
00:47:15.000One of the smears against me is that I compared Israel's tactics to Nazi Germany, and that's actually no longer controversial anymore.
00:47:23.000I mean, you just have to look at what they're doing today.
00:47:27.000Even Holocaust survivors have said that these are very similar mentalities.
00:47:33.000And similar atrocities being carried out.
00:47:35.000But it was controversial at the time because there wasn't the kind of media coverage in mainstream media, which is where everybody was getting their news.
00:47:44.000So these controversial, small, independently operated media units like yours that would go over there and report things, they were sort of dismissed and marginalized.
00:48:21.000So right off the bat, I'm a Russian disinformation agent no matter how long I'm out in the field independently operated and grassroots funded.
00:48:30.000Well, you were working for Russia today, and I think the way I was describing this to a friend, I said, I bet they thought that if you got this woman who talks a lot of shit about American imperialism and you hire her for Russia today, that'd be a pretty good scoop.
00:48:44.000You got this very articulate American woman who's talking shit about the American empire.
00:49:00.000When you started going against what Putin was doing in Crimea, and then they invited you to go to Crimea and put shoes on the ground, you're like, get the fuck out of here.
00:49:29.000What was interesting is that he got so much heat from what I did from, I don't know, I think the higher-ups, I think half of them really liked what I did because I was trying to assert my editorial freedom and being like, look, this isn't just a Russian propaganda network.
00:49:42.000You need people out there who are criticizing Russia.
00:49:44.000So I think half the people were like, yeah, let's do it.
00:49:47.000And the other half of the people were like, fuck no, you're done.
00:49:51.000And so what happened was it just became impossible for me to do my job and, you know...
00:49:56.000I wasn't stepped on in terms of my editorial freedom, but I think my boss never forgave me for making his job harder.
00:50:04.000Well, up until that point, though, what was interesting, and I remember talking to you about this job, they did not tell you what to do.
00:51:18.000You are hired because you know your role and you agree with the editorial line of the network.
00:51:23.000And so when it comes to, like, Israel-Palestine, like, a lot of these people are hired at these institutions because they believe in American exceptionalism, because they tacitly think that the U.S. should be a global empire, because they are Zionist.
00:51:36.000So you're not going to step on the toes of management.
00:51:40.000And again, the whole manufacturing consent model, it's like, that's just the way the media operates.
00:51:46.000And I think a lot of people have the perception that politicians get paid by lobbying groups and then they do their bidding.
00:52:16.000And part of the model of control of the media is flack, where you basically discredit and undermine anyone who's going against what the corporate dictated narrative is.
00:53:18.000Henry Kissinger was the first person that was supposed to be administering the commission, a decorated war criminal, where you had family members in horror saying, how the fuck is this guy supposed to administer the investigation?
00:54:19.000That's why NORAD was flying around the air for two hours not able to intercept the jets.
00:54:22.000I mean, according to the official story.
00:54:26.000When you hear about things that are orchestrated, when you hear about FBI people that are involved inside organizations that instigate things and help plan things, then the rest of the people that they're doing it with,
00:54:42.000you always wonder how much How much of that exists?
00:54:48.000How much of that exists across the board in all sorts of big events that happen?
00:56:56.000Could you imagine if you're one of the three dopes that's not in the FBI? And you're like, man, we got a fucking well-organized machine here.
00:57:03.000These radicals that I'm with, they got their shit together, man.
00:57:51.000But I do feel like, you know, when you push people into a corner like people are in Gaza, it's like that is kind of, you know, resistance is like a natural human inclination.
00:58:04.000I mean, listen, I am not making any accusations.
00:58:08.000But what I'm saying is, if you look at military strategy, if you just look at the strategy that they employ in America with agent provocateurs like they did with the World Trade Organization, when they had that massive protest and then these agent provocateurs came in and started smashing windows and lighting things on fire,
00:58:23.000and then all of a sudden now you have a violent protest.
00:58:25.000So then you can send the police in and start arresting people and they set up a no protest zone.
00:58:45.000They would say this is a no protest zone.
00:58:48.000They violated people's First Amendment rights to ensure that the World Trade Organization got to do their little thing in Seattle and have it done completely without protests.
00:59:37.000When you're trying to instigate something, you know?
00:59:39.000I think there are certain people in this world that are capable of shit that you and I can't imagine a rational, caring, logical human being doing.
00:59:50.000And they've been doing it most of their lives.
00:59:52.000Well, a lot of these people who get into positions of power are sociopaths.
01:00:25.000I'm not accusing anybody of this, again.
01:00:28.000But imagine, if you want to distract someone from one thing you're doing, and the way you do it is invade a country.
01:00:35.000Invade a country, prop up some rebels, launch some rockets, do something, and while all that's going on, you're over here shoveling money and doing a little of this, doing a little of that.
01:01:16.000It's unbelievable how that was started and Obama's a war criminal for that alone, you know, and no one actually gives him the credit for starting that and it's still going on and it's absolutely horrifying.
01:03:33.000They were so transparent about the process, which is the Iran nuclear deal was basically saying, our doors are open to you.
01:03:40.000We are so, you know, we are so willing to be extremely transparent about this to prove that this is all peacefully developing nuclear weapons.
01:03:51.000Everything's within the legal limits set by you guys, right?
01:03:55.000Because they don't want the threat, right?
01:03:57.000Iran wants to just follow the rules, man.
01:04:28.000But I mean, the kind of regime that would do that, I would imagine they would want nuclear weapons.
01:04:33.000I would imagine that they would want them considering that the only thing that basically makes us not invade and do regime change in North Korea is the nuclear deterrent.
01:04:42.000I mean, I would imagine that any country would want nukes if they're trying to be undermined and overthrown by the U.S. and its allies, for sure.
01:04:49.000But the Iran nuclear deal, despite whatever you think about Iran developing nuclear weapons, the Iran nuclear deal was a tremendous step to put whatever containment in order and to basically prove to the world that they are complying with the development of peaceful nuclear energy and nothing more.
01:05:07.000And so basically Saudi Arabia got irked.
01:05:10.000They didn't want their influence waning in the region.
01:05:12.000And so Obama literally said, this is a quote from him, he said he wants to placate Saudi Arabia.
01:05:19.000And that is why he agreed to get into the Yemen war.
01:05:43.000They were refueling up until a couple of years ago.
01:05:45.000I mean, it is an all out genocidal war.
01:05:47.000And one of the people on Obama's security team before we got into the war, he said this war is going to be long, bloody and indeterminate, meaning we have no fucking clue how it's going to end, nor do we care.
01:06:02.000It is disgusting because people kind of fly under the cover like, oh, it's the Saudis and oh, the US just supporting Saudi.
01:06:29.000This is the most amazing thing about the war on terror is it's strengthened all of our alleged enemies.
01:06:36.000It's done the opposite of what they've told us they wanted to do.
01:06:41.000Look at Afghanistan, for Christ's sake.
01:06:44.000The Taliban controls more territory now than they did when we invaded.
01:06:49.000And the whole last 20 years was all about, we can't let the Taliban take over.
01:06:54.000Well, we can't leave now because the Taliban will take over.
01:06:57.000The Taliban is going to gain strength.
01:06:58.000And the whole time you're risking life and limb.
01:07:05.000I was reading a story about Afghan interpreters and people that have helped the troops while they were over there and that a lot of the veterans are very concerned for these people's lives if we pull out of Afghanistan.
01:07:57.000If I move my rook here, they're going to take it.
01:07:59.000The queen is in position, and this is how you start conflict.
01:08:04.000You make sure that things are happening so that you can justify military buildup, you can justify all these expenses, you can justify these contracts.
01:08:12.000Well, like Wesley Clark said, which I think is a really accurate thing, he said, when you're a hammer, you look at every problem like a nail.
01:08:19.000And when you're a global empire, you don't look at how can we cooperate, how can we peacefully negotiate things.
01:08:26.000You look at how can we contain people by military force, which is what imperialism is.
01:08:31.000How can we extract and subjugate, you know, extract wealth, subjugate nations and keep them under our thumb to maintain our domination?
01:08:40.000And I think that a lot of these people who get into these positions of power, it's really short term.
01:08:47.000They're all tied up in the MIC. They don't have long term strategic goals of like, well, what's going to happen in 10 years if, you know, this and this happen?
01:08:55.000I mean, you look at somewhere like Yemen or Afghanistan.
01:09:00.000The Houthis' dire enemy is al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
01:09:05.000Yet, we are waging a genocidal campaign in Yemen to bomb the Houthis.
01:09:12.000You know, we have this policy, we're also bombing them.
01:09:16.000But it's just like, it's just a complete mess, which really makes me think that it's a lot of just short-term bad decisions to just continue making that cash.
01:09:50.000Well, many politicians have discussed this, but no one's ever gotten in a position to try to implement something like this, where they're trying to pull us out of any interventionist foreign policy, any foreign wars, like, let's get out of all that stuff.
01:10:01.000Because it's tacitly accepted as just a reality.
01:10:06.000Even environmentalists, and we're making a new documentary called Earth's Greatest Enemy.
01:10:11.000You can check it out at earthsgreatestenemy.com.
01:10:14.000But it's basically about the environment, and it's about how the U.S. military is one of the largest polluters in the world.
01:10:21.000And it is the largest polluting industry.
01:10:24.000And why don't environmental organizations talk about this?
01:10:29.000The U.S. military is one of the most...
01:11:46.000One single enemy that not only produced enough toxic destruction to destroy the planet on its own, but was also subject to virtually no regulations, no oversight, no accountability, and as of yet, no blame.
01:12:03.000If there was a monster like that, shouldn't it be dragged out of the dark and into the center of the struggle to save the planet?
01:12:40.000Even if every person, every automobile, and every factory suddenly emitted zero emissions, the Earth would still be heated, headed towards total disaster for one major reason.
01:13:04.000He was one of the first embedded reporters in Iraq, an incredible investigative journalist who's on the tip of the spear of climate change research.
01:13:15.000That quote is from Barry Sanders, who wrote The Green Zone.
01:13:19.000Through his extensive research in 2009, he found that even if all of those things were halted, the U.S. military alone as an institution would still cause enough carbon emissions to cause a lot of the climate change that we're seeing.
01:13:35.000What percentage of the climate change, the carbon emissions are caused by the U.S. military?
01:13:39.000I don't know the actual percentage on the planet, but it's like a hundred and something countries put together.
01:14:09.000But you can just, like, look at just the equipment, you know, the equipment at these bases, not to mention what war does.
01:14:16.000One of the things I found out from my friend Evan Hafer from Black Rifle Coffee, when he was overseas, he was telling me about these burn pits.
01:14:27.000And I didn't know about the burn pits.
01:14:28.000I didn't know that that's how they got rid of their garbage.
01:14:32.00024-7 fire going where they would throw everything into it.
01:14:37.000Tampons, garbage, cans, like whatever the fuck you had.
01:14:42.000You know, whatever waste they had they would throw in there and that all these soldiers were forced to breathe in the toxic fumes Because the wind would blow, it would go through the camp, and everybody would be breathing the smoke from this toxic burn pit 24-7.
01:15:21.000But no one has tackled what I see as the elephant in the room.
01:15:24.000And if you were to pull out 100 people from the streets, how many people would say the U.S. military is one of the largest contributors of not only climate change, but just pollution?
01:15:35.000Like, how much does the US military contribute to the carbon emissions versus agriculture?
01:15:42.000Yeah, it's all in Barry Sanders' book.
01:15:44.000Here, the global greenhouse gas emissions amount to 593 million metric tons of CO2 equivalent from 2010 to 2018, an annual average similar to the annual GHG emission output of 14 million passenger cars.
01:16:02.000So what the US military does is essentially the average emissions output of a large city.
01:16:45.000Which is probably more than 14 million people in the city, right?
01:16:48.000Because it's not like everybody has a car.
01:16:50.000Well, we're going to outline—the climate change research is very—it's hard to elucidate because it's very scientific, and we're going to be with the cutting-edge science with scientists in Alaska.
01:17:01.000We're going this summer, and we're going to be documenting that.
01:17:03.000But this goes so far beyond carbon emissions.
01:17:07.000This is about stuff like you're talking about.
01:17:09.000I mean— Again, the U.S. military is the largest polluter on the planet as an institution.
01:17:19.000It pollutes more than the biggest chemical companies, the top five chemical companies combined.
01:17:25.000If you were to ask people who should we fight if we're trying to save the environment, people will say oil companies or mining or animal agriculture, all that shit.
01:17:51.000And I want to give you a couple examples that go far beyond what we just saw.
01:17:56.000Camp Lejeune, Jacksonville, North Carolina.
01:17:59.000There was so many chemicals that were poured into the water by the US military 60 years ago that people in the tens of thousands were dying.
01:18:10.000There's actually a graveyard called Baby Heaven because of how many children under the age of five have died because of these pollutants.
01:18:18.000The government denied it for decades, and they're still denying paying people for the water contamination.
01:18:57.000A Superfund site is a site that the EPA has designated a highly toxic Very polluted site in the United States that's on the national priorities list because it's so fucking toxic that it is causing extreme devastation to people's health and the environment.
01:19:15.000900 out of 1300 Superfund sites in the United States are either military installations or have previously hosted military needs.
01:19:23.000And there's hundreds more being considered.
01:19:25.000And places like Camp Lejeune, places like Coldwater Creek, look at the uranium dumping in Navajo land, all of these things that have benefited the US military.
01:19:37.000And they've just, with callous disregard and criminal negligence, have dumped their pollutants and chemical runoff in these areas, hundreds of areas in the United States.
01:19:47.000And we're just talking about the US. Think about what the 800 bases are doing around the world.
01:20:18.000And we should explain to you, depleted uranium is what you're talking about.
01:20:22.000And that was considered by many people to be the cause of the Gulf War Syndrome that a lot of soldiers experienced and birth defects and cancers and all sorts because they were using depleted uranium rounds because apparently when they use them as rounds,
01:20:45.000And this is not just stuff that was done during the Cold War and World War II, even though a lot of this shit is still sadly being felt today and again being denied the claims, just like the first responders on 9-11.
01:20:58.000I mean, how callous do you need to be to use and exploit these people and then to deny them health care?
01:21:03.000Yeah, that's the scariest thing about all this shit is that there's so many patriotic people that really do think that they want to support their country.
01:21:12.000And so they do enlist and they risk their life to go over there and do the things that they have to do that they feel they're doing to support freedom, to make...
01:21:41.000And it's not just this relic of how our military used to be before we knew better.
01:21:45.000The burn pits just happened in Iraq, man.
01:21:47.000I mean, and I just read the story yesterday of this chemical foam that was used to basically stop fires is now being incinerated in hundreds of sites across the U.S. This is like some goddamn X-Files episode.
01:22:01.000It's like a sinister covert program to burn this highly, highly toxic foam.
01:22:07.000It's called a forever chemical because it never actually goes away.
01:23:08.000Okinawa is basically an entire base, like 70% of the island is a military base, but they're building another fucking one that threatens a rare blue coral reef.
01:23:21.000And I get a lot of people are patriotic and I get that a lot of, you know, we fetishize the military, we worship the military, we're born and bred to think that this is necessary to have a global empire.
01:23:33.000But I want to make people shift their consciousness and say it doesn't have to be this way.
01:23:38.000I think what people are worried about, the people that are pro-military in particular, is they're worried about some nefarious government, like whether it's China or Russia or whoever, that builds up a global military that rivals the US,
01:23:58.000that surpasses it, and they become the dominant world power.
01:24:02.000The dominant world power, not just economically, which you could argue China has already done, but militarily.
01:24:33.000They're imprisoning people for writing blogs and making posts.
01:24:37.000It's a different approach to the way they handle people.
01:24:42.000Ours is not perfect, but it is better.
01:24:45.000But you would agree that freedom is not protected by what we're doing around the world.
01:24:49.000No, but we're terrified that if we don't keep up, like this is, I mean, I'm not making excuses for anybody, but this is like, if you're going to play devil's advocate, you say, okay, We have to do horrible things because the world's a horrible place.
01:25:04.000This is what devil's advocate would be, right?
01:25:06.000We have to make sure that we keep our strong military despite all the dangers it presents because if we don't and if we let China take over the world, we're going to be treated the same way Chinese citizens are treated in China.
01:25:19.000Like if the Communist Party somehow or another gets a foothold in America and conquers it.
01:25:25.000Like people say that's impossible, that's impossible, that's history.
01:25:28.000Like, history is filled with empires taking over the other countries.
01:25:33.000The idea that it could never happen to America.
01:25:35.000Like, every fucking empire has always thought that it could never happen to them.
01:25:40.000I'm sure Rome, they were running around, you know, drinking wine, partying for everything.
01:25:46.000Same thing with the European or the UK. Like, the way England was running the world back in the day, you would have thought that England was going to be the superpower forever.
01:25:56.000We have a legitimate concern on our hands globally about some governments.
01:26:02.000And I think they have a legitimate concern about us.
01:26:05.000But we want to thank, again, this is rose-colored glasses.
01:26:10.000We want to thank better us than anybody else.
01:26:13.000Which is a really sad way to accept this mass-murdering, earth-destroying machine, isn't it?
01:26:19.000I mean, to basically put this hypothetical scenario that's based on nothing today.
01:26:24.000Yes, in the past empires were warring, but the US has dominated the entire planet.
01:26:35.000We actually think that China's threatening us for putting ships in their own waters, the South China Sea.
01:26:41.000I mean, it's ridiculous the kind of news that comes out basically pretending that China is a threat militarily, when literally it would just be like us having a ship in the Gulf of Mexico and China saying they're threatened by that.
01:26:54.000If you're looking at China trying to be a counterweight to, you know, global capitalism, yeah, that's definitely happening.
01:27:01.000They're offering countermeasures to development in Africa and stuff like that, and you can argue about the benefits of that.
01:27:08.000But it's definitely not the same as what the U.S. is, you know, putting the barrel of a gun to someone's head and saying, do this, or you're fucked, and we'll sanction you to death, literally to death.
01:27:19.000You don't think China employs similar tactics?
01:27:22.000So, look, China, you can argue all day about totalitarianism, thought control, mass censorship, right?
01:27:36.000I mean, I hate to be like, you know, bring it back to America, but I do think that you have talked extensively about big tech and the insidious nature of like censorship online.
01:27:47.000I find that kind of similar in a really eerie way, you know, where corporations have just taken upon themselves to censor Sanitize our reality, curate what they want us to see, working on behalf of government institutions like the Atlantic Council and stuff like that,
01:28:22.000I would rather be a Chinese citizen and know exactly how the censorship model works than actually herald the First Amendment as somehow working in this country.
01:28:32.000If I want to know something now, I stopped Googling things.
01:28:35.000I started using either the Brave search engine or I started using DuckDuckGo.
01:28:41.000Because you get an uncurated, you know, if you Google very specific things, you'll get an uncurated version of it.
01:28:50.000It's shocking when you compare the difference, like with certain controversial subjects, the difference between using DuckDuckGo and using Google.
01:28:58.000And you go, well, here's all the articles.
01:29:00.000And you use Google and like, I can't find shit.
01:30:25.000I mean, how long ago was it where Facebook was banning people if you talked about the lab leak hypothesis, which is now widely accepted, but eight months ago, they were banning you.
01:30:40.000When Trump was in office, if you brought that up, that maybe this shit leaked from a lab, you were labeled a racist, you were a terrible person and a Trump supporter.
01:30:49.000Mainstream scientists are talking about it openly.
01:30:54.000Now that this polarizing asshole is out of the White House, we can speak about the truth.
01:31:00.000How creepy is that, that the intelligence community along with the political establishment and also the mainstream media, notoriously untrustworthy entities are telling us what reality is acceptable or not.
01:31:13.000Like, for example, Oddly behind this new UFO rollout, which we can talk about.
01:31:19.000Meanwhile, they are saying QAnon should not exist on the internet.
01:31:50.000Okay, tell me about Sam Harris and I'll say one thing about him too.
01:31:52.000Well, he has a great speech that, if you go to my Twitter, I retweeted it, I think yesterday, about the importance of free speech and how important it is, whether you like it or not, whether you agree with someone or not.
01:32:20.000As individuals and as a species to navigate in the space of all possible experiences together, the only way we have to correct course, the only way we have to notice our errors and correct for them is to talk about everything.
01:32:46.000The software we have cognitively and behaviorally is always a matter of persuasion and criticism and error detection and complaint.
01:33:01.000We have to be free to talk to one another and to not merely Think things in private and remain terrified over expressing these things for the possible reputational damage we may incur.
01:33:17.000And so insofar as our environment, you know, the environment we create with each other, you know, society becomes stifling of free expression insofar as we're We're hemmed in on all sides by taboos and blasphemy tests and the persistent threat of excommunication and defenestration.
01:33:40.000We get worse and worse at detecting our own errors and collaborating with one another.
01:34:00.000I think that it's very, very important.
01:34:06.000And especially with the anti-BDS laws, it's like, I know how important this kind of speech is.
01:34:12.000And the thing that I disagree with Sam Harris, first of all, a million Iraqis did die.
01:34:17.000But I think the other thing that he really gets wrong is that he kind of is an apologist for U.S. empire where he thinks that the U.S. just has good intentions.
01:34:25.000And so anything that happens as a result of those good intentions, well, it's not our fault and we can wash our hands clean.
01:34:33.000But in theory, he's advocated for the Iraq war and such.
01:34:38.000And yeah, I mean, I think that that couldn't be further from the truth.
01:34:41.000I think that there is no like moral high ground.
01:34:45.000That these actions are being done in our name.
01:34:48.000And if there's anything that can prove that it's the last 20 years of U.S. foreign policy, I mean, it's a complete joke to actually pretend like any of this is being done for our sake, you know, and to protect our freedom.
01:34:59.000So you think all of it is being done for profit or control?
01:35:22.000It's NATO. It's all of these junior partners that also act to secure these interests and keep these countries poor and extracting all their wealth and putting their boot on the neck of so many people and preventing their self-determination.
01:35:38.000And that's a huge problem, Joe, because I believe in freedom to the point where I feel like everyone around the world can pursue their own freedom and their own freedom of thought.
01:35:49.000And we need to really take a step back and Think of what kind of world do we want to live in?
01:35:54.000Do we want to live in a world where we are preparing for nuclear war as an inevitability, for preparing for war with China as an inevitability, or do we want to work in a world of cooperation?
01:36:31.000I think a lot of things are done in reaction to the US. Like for example, and I think we can get into the UFO stuff, but I think that Space Force, for example, after the US declared that branch of the military and is now violating the Outer Space Treaty and all this stuff to militarize space,
01:36:50.000Russia was just like, I'm completely against this, but now we have no choice but do our own program.
01:36:56.000So you see kind of things like that where there's a reaction to this hyper-militarized state from these other global powers.
01:37:04.000Like, for example, Biden declaring that he's going to invest fucking $100 billion in nuclear weapons.
01:37:08.000It's like all of that triggers all these other countries.
01:37:21.000I mean, I do think that we have a lot of power, and if we used it for good, I think the world could be a much better place.
01:37:27.000And we don't have to live in an empire, and we don't have to live in fear of other countries becoming an empire.
01:37:32.000I think that we need to look at what kind of world do we want to live in, Joe.
01:37:36.000And, you know, China, I mean, there was an agreement.
01:37:39.000There was an agreement between corporate bosses and Chinese bosses to make super profits in the late 80s to ship and export a lot of U.S. capital and production over in Asia.
01:37:49.000And that has led to a lot of shit that's gone on today.
01:37:54.000You know, we have to look at the context of how this all happened.
01:37:57.000It's amazing that that is not being discussed more by our politicians when you talk about the difference between pre-pandemic and post-pandemic America when they recognize that so many things were being manufactured overseas.
01:38:11.000So many things are difficult to get, including so many computer chips, so much medicine, so many different things are being manufactured outside of the United States.
01:38:27.000And this was something that, you know, I was watching, I'm watching this, it's an amazing documentary series about boxing called The Kings, and it's all about Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, and Tommy Hearns, and about what they were like,
01:38:43.000like boxing against each other in the 1980s.
01:38:48.000And it shows what Detroit used to be like, because Tommy Hearns came from Detroit.
01:38:52.000And it shows what Detroit used to be like when the U.S. manufacturing of automobiles was all taking place there.
01:38:59.000And how all these union workers had great wages.
01:39:03.000You didn't even have to graduate from high school.
01:39:05.000You could get a union job and have an amazing life and have...
01:39:10.000You know, be able to take care of your family and educate them and you had money.
01:39:16.000Like, you could live well because the unions had made it so that these people working in these factories, highly profitable factories, right?
01:39:26.000This is like during the 1950s and the 1960s.
01:39:29.000And then 20 years later, after the government has changed, or after these organizations, rather, after these corporations have decided to move their manufacturing overseas, source parts overseas, do a lot of the work because they've saved money this way.
01:40:28.000It's not some union guy who's got a nice house and a boat, you know, who's doing rel and sending his kids off to college and super happy about his life.
01:40:36.000No, it's someone who's working in a factory that has nets around it to keep people from jumping off the fucking roof.
01:41:08.000I had a conversation with Shane Smith about this once where he was talking about in every cell phone is this stuff called coltan and that if you go to where they're making coltan, it's probably an underaged worker in Africa Digging it out of the ground with a stick.
01:41:25.000And that underage worker in Africa, the child labor, is getting into your cell phone that's allowing you to self-righteously tweet about things.
01:41:36.000What about the banning plastic straws just kills me?
01:41:39.000It's like, you think that that's going to be the fucking, I mean, good God, what are we talking about here?
01:41:59.000And Boyan Slott, who's been on the podcast a couple times, has done amazing work to develop this machine that's scooping up this plastic and converting it into actual goods and recycling it and using it.
01:43:13.000What he's willing to do, what Boyan is able to do with this thing, it's like it skims the water and scoops up all this plastic, and then they're pulling this plastic out.
01:44:31.000The individualizing the problem is so depressing because it takes away from the structural nature and the systemic nature of pollution and how it's not about the person taking less showers and drinking out of a metal straw.
01:45:13.000I've talked about this way too many times, but I'm going to talk about it again.
01:45:16.000We had Dr. Shanna Swan on to talk about how the plastics that are in our system, because of whether it's plastic that our food is contained in, that we're reheating in microwaves,
01:45:33.000or leaching from plastic that gets in our water bottles, and these things called phthalates are affecting our reproductive systems.
01:45:41.000It's a crazy podcast that we had, where she was basically saying...
01:45:45.000What the fuck's our book called again?
01:46:01.000How our modern world is threatening sperm counts, altering male and female reproductive development, imperiling the future of the human race.
01:46:06.000It's one of the most disturbing podcasts I ever did.
01:46:09.000Because in the middle, first of all, she's a wonderful lady.
01:46:12.000And in talking to her, she's really actually funny too.
01:46:15.000So like she has like a thing on her Instagram called the jizz quiz.
01:46:20.000And you would not expect it from this lady who's like, you know, she's probably like in her 60s and she's an academic and she's an epidemiological environmentalist.
01:46:40.000So she's examining the effect that the environment has on biology.
01:46:45.000And she's found this horrific connection between the invention and the use of petrochemical products and the lowering of sperm counts and the increase in miscarriages.
01:47:01.000And also, this is where it gets really weird.
01:47:04.000The shortening of the taint, the human taint.
01:47:07.000It's one of the best ways, biologically, when you look at animals, one of the best ways to tell males versus females is the size of the taint.
01:47:15.000It varies by 50 to 100% in males and females.
01:47:27.000And males are becoming more feminized because of these things called phthalates.
01:47:32.000It's spelled with a P-T-H-A-L-E-T-E. These phthalates that are in plastics, they've proven with animals that when you introduce these to animals, it directly affects the male reproductive system and depletes their ability to form sperm.
01:47:53.000It shrinks their taint, it makes their penis small, and it's happening to people, too.
01:47:57.000And when you see, like, so many people that are confused about their sexuality, and so much weird shit with sexuality in this country, and then you look at this, and you go, hey, there's a fucking culprit here.
01:48:08.000Like, there's something that's happening to human beings.
01:48:11.000Like, a real direct correlation between increased miscarriages, decreased sperm counts, a lot of it is because of environmental toxins.
01:48:24.000Pesticides, plastics, all these things that whether we like it or not, we're consuming and we're consuming now.
01:48:30.000And the thing is about these things being consumed by people who are pregnant and then it's going to have an impact on their children.
01:48:38.000It's going to have an impact on their babies because they've got it in their system.
01:48:56.000It's not just that one factor, but I think...
01:48:57.000But no doubt that this, what you're talking about now, like the leaching plastic is...
01:49:01.000Good God, who knows what that's doing long time.
01:49:04.000The stigma about sexuality is one thing, but the decreasing of the human taint, the fact that they can measure that human taints are shrinking and that we know that this is directly connected to phthalates, you can't ignore that.
01:49:18.000Even if you want to look at this as a social issue and as we're more open now to all sorts of ideas about sexuality, that's all great.
01:49:27.000You can look at things, but to me, this is a comprehensive To look at what is actually going on with human beings, you have to look at all the factors.
01:49:39.000You have your positive factors, more openness, more acceptance.
01:50:38.000Well, one way to stop that is to completely eliminate sexual reproduction, to have no instincts towards acquiring of resources, no instincts towards acquiring of sexual partners.
01:50:51.000All sex is eliminated because you can have immensely pleasurable experiences without having any sexual intercourse.
01:51:03.000Through genetic engineering only, we will reproduce through some sort of yet to be invented process that's far superior.
01:51:11.000It eliminates any kind of birth defects, any kind of mishaps that happen in the genetic code, and It creates uniformity amongst the species.
01:51:31.000But if you think about it, what would be the alternative?
01:51:35.000Well, the alternative, you keep allowing this biological chaos.
01:51:39.000You keep allowing this tooth and claw approach.
01:51:41.000You keep allowing dominators and victims and everyone's fighting for the position on the top of the hill.
01:51:48.000If we are to advance to what Carl Sagan would describe as a species that is capable of interplanetary travel and no longer commits war or genocide, what would be the best way to do that?
01:52:00.000Well, the best way to do that would be to stop being people.
01:52:02.000Because people are some sort of weird fucking animal.
01:52:05.000And if you look at our approach in terms of our adoption of technology, well, what are we doing exactly?
01:52:11.000When you talk to someone that needs their phone on them all the time, what are they doing?
01:52:16.000Well, they're connected to some electronics.
01:52:50.000You are connected forever to your fucking clothes until you get to a warm environment and you can take your clothes off.
01:52:55.000If it's 30 below zero outside, you're not walking outside naked, right?
01:52:59.000We've already accepted that a human being is no longer just a biological thing.
01:53:03.000You need shoes or you're gonna fuck your feet up, right?
01:53:05.000You need clothes or you're gonna freeze to death.
01:53:08.000How long before our inventions surpass merely clothes and shoes and housing and comfort and it becomes something that is a part of our biology?
01:53:19.000And maybe that would be the only way we would be able to leave this planet.
01:53:24.000Maybe that would be the only way we would be able to avoid war and avoid rape and avoid murder and avoid theft and conquering.
01:53:31.000Maybe we just eliminate those instincts.
01:53:33.000And maybe we would look at things in terms of what's the correct logical approach without any of the weird monkey instincts that we all harbor.
01:53:45.000I mean, as someone who just had a kid, that's such a terrifying concept because I've never felt so animalistic and primal.
01:53:52.000Everything around me is in a state of reproduction.
01:54:24.000And the oxytocin that's released that makes you bond and there's also so many other chemicals and hormones that, you know, it's all about reproduction.
01:54:34.000And then you realize this is why I exist.
01:54:41.000And it just kind of dawns on you because our mind occupies so much of everything else and we have technology, like you're saying.
01:54:48.000And so it's very disturbing to think that that primal instinct could be completely removed and you could just be in a world where humans are created.
01:55:11.000Because I think the way I've described it is like we're sort of like some really strange biological caterpillar that gives birth to the electronic butterfly.
01:55:23.000And we don't even know what we're doing.
01:55:27.000And whether it's artificial intelligence or whether it's some sort of a symbiosis, which is something where the electronics or the technology gets into your body somehow or another because it makes it better.
01:55:38.000If you think if there was a thing that you could have that would make life way better for everybody, you just had to get it in your body, you just have to accept it as being a part of your body, you'd be rude to not do that, right?
01:55:53.000Even if it was dangerous to you a little bit.
01:55:54.000Even if you knew that it wasn't tangibly real?
01:56:08.000The idea of Neuralink is, the way Elon described it to me, and again, I'm a monkey, so I'm going to do a shit job of paraphrasing this, but the idea behind it is, it's going to radically increase your bandwidth, the way you can interface with information.
01:56:25.000You're essentially going to have much more access to information, and you're going to be able to access it far faster.
01:56:32.000And one of the things that Elon said that haunts me to this day, he said, You're going to be able to speak without words.
01:56:39.000You're going to be able to speak without words.
01:56:41.000So you're going to be able to communicate with people without using words with this electronic interface.
01:56:48.000If they have these little tiny slits for mouths and they have these fucking weirdo bodies because they don't need any muscles anymore and they don't need sex organs anymore because no one's having sex.
01:56:57.000If we accept that How long before it becomes that?
01:57:05.000If we just keep accepting this introduction of technology into the biological human body, how long before it becomes what these fucking things are?
01:57:15.000These iconic Classic gray aliens that we see.
01:57:20.000Literally, if you went from what we used to be, right?
01:57:23.000We used to be these hulking chimpanzee-like creatures, right?
01:57:39.000If you think of someone who's just locked in a cubicle doing programming all day and they don't do any exercise, your muscles wither away, your body atrophies, you have this tiny little shell that you carry your head around with.
01:57:55.000You just need enough energy and enough physical strength to lift up off your chair and walk over to another chair and sit down and drive.
01:58:03.000And then you get home, you get up, and you walk over to the food, and you eat that, and then you walk over to the TV, and you sit in front of it, or you walk over to the computer.
01:58:34.000We're freaking out because it's probably encoded in us that we see where the end of this thing is.
01:58:40.000We probably subconsciously or somewhere if we're doing an extrapolation, we're just thinking about where this goes.
01:58:47.000So do you think that that's when these people see these visions and when we see UFOs or people have documented them, do you think that that is what's happening?
01:58:55.000That it's actually aliens projecting themselves or physically here?
01:59:03.000That could be us in the future going back to check.
01:59:07.000Maybe we've fucked everything up and we need fresh genetic code.
01:59:10.000We need to come back and get fresh genes from all these people because we've replicated so much.
01:59:16.000It's like a puppy mill that makes fucked up dogs with the eyes too close together, right?
01:59:21.000I had a friend who got a chocolate lab, and I went over her house, and I was looking at the dog, and the dog was like, his eyes are way too close together.
02:00:12.000My brother and I just did a whole tribute to UFO-ology and lore on Media Roots Radio and attributed a lot of it to your show, Joe, because I was floored by some of the shit that I saw.
02:00:47.000But I mean, he's really into this too.
02:00:49.000And it was just mind-blowing to go through these cases.
02:00:52.000And I... As I told you before we started this, I was so cynical, you know, and it's easy to just kind of like look at one debunking video and you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:01:02.000Or like, you don't believe these people's testimonies and shit.
02:01:05.000Because I remember seeing so many documentaries on YouTube back 10 years ago of all these military officers, high-ranking people talking about how, or listening to Coast to Coast AM, you know, fucking driving throughout the desert, Art Bell and George Norrie talking about...
02:02:15.000And everyone describes the same thing.
02:02:17.000And, you know, 50 years later, when these people are interviewed, you would think that with the advent of drones and all these things, they'd be like, well, now I can explain it.
02:02:24.000It was advanced military technology then, because now I see the technology that we have, you know, like, but they don't say that.
02:02:31.000The Zimbabwe one is interesting, but there is a problem with it.
02:02:58.000He was a Harvard psychologist who I think it was abducted And maybe there was another one, but a friend of mine who wasn't even really into UFOs at all, my friend Maura gave me that book, and she's like,
02:03:23.000I don't know exactly the timeline, but the problem was these people that are involved in hypnotic regression- Oftentimes, whether they're aware they're doing it or not, they introduce ideas into people's heads and they give them false memories.
02:03:38.000It's a common issue and it's one of the main complaints that I've heard critics say about John Mack's work.
02:03:50.000And I'm not saying those people are lying.
02:03:52.000And I'm not saying that John Mack introduced ideas into their heads.
02:03:56.000But what I am saying is the real evidence, the real evidence like the video of that thing, whatever the fuck that tic-tac was, taking off at what they estimate to be thousands of miles an hour instantaneously from a standstill.
02:04:14.000And jetting off to the cat point where they were initially supposed to meet.
02:04:19.000The coordinates that the jets had where they were supposed to scramble to doing this exercise, this fucking tic-tac went to that spot.
02:04:29.000Almost like to tell you, hey bitch, I know where you're going.
02:04:32.000They tracked it on radar going from 80,000 feet above sea level to 50 in less than a second.
02:04:39.000These are with no visible propulsion system.
02:04:43.000And flipping 180 degrees, which is, you know, physically possible with the technology that we know exists now.
02:05:29.000But now, what's so weird about it now, why are former CIA directors like Brennan, Woolsey, even Obama has made a joke about, yes, we don't know what these things are, What do you think it is?
02:05:43.000Why is the intelligence community coming out and actually like putting their stamp of approval on this when for the last 70 years it's been so under the radar they you know they've been putting this under wraps but now they're kind of toying with the idea like we actually don't know what these are.
02:06:00.000And then they also say, we know that they're not from our military.
02:06:05.000China, Russia with the hypersonic weapons technology that they're claiming that they can develop weapons five to ten times the speed of sound.
02:06:12.000And I don't know what that looks like when you apply it, but that's strange to me that you see this rollout in the mainstream media talking about this now with the disclosures that the Pentagon has put out.
02:06:25.000Now, you are a cynical person, especially when it comes to the US military and the intelligence agencies.
02:06:41.000Well, when I look at these things, a lot of these people, I believe these people.
02:06:45.000And especially watching that documentary, Joe, it was a real mindfuck.
02:06:48.000And a lot of this is bone-chilling because I believe, especially when 62 people see something or 200 people in Melbourne, Australia, or all of these high-level military people who you could tell are scared shitless recounting what they saw, I believe them.
02:07:03.000I really do because it's hard to act, right?
02:07:07.000But my mind tends to go toward what is physically possible.
02:07:14.000Is it some sort of DMT weapon that can elicit some sort of mass hallucination where people are susceptible to a delusional mindset and told something like you just said?
02:07:27.000Is it the hypersonic weapons technology?
02:07:29.000Is it something that is a drone being projected holographically?
02:07:32.000Is it something that we can explain by...
02:07:36.000You know, the realm of quantum physics that we actually don't understand, like the Schrodinger's cat phenomenon.
02:07:42.000Like, is there something that is within the realm of physics, but we don't understand and can't comprehend it yet?
02:07:47.000So that's where my mind goes in terms of what is it.
02:07:51.000If it is something from another planet, is it holographically projected onto us?
02:07:58.000But in terms of the intelligence community and people like Marco Rubio with that PBS special that came out, or the 60 Minutes special, and Marco Rubio at the end of it is just like, we don't know what these are, man.
02:08:11.000Like one of the most hardcore neoconservatives is going out there and cutely toying with the idea that this could be from another world.
02:08:19.000And knowing that this has been so under wraps that whatever is happening, and I believe something is happening, has been completely censored and covered up by our government.
02:08:30.000But now they're coming out and saying it's okay to talk about this.
02:08:35.000This is no longer some fringe kooky conspiracy theory.
02:08:40.000Of course, the cynic in me goes to what better way to kind of We pull on our deep-seated psychological fears of something that we can't explain, this kind of supernatural element to whatever is going on.
02:08:54.000Going back to the UFO lore of everything from X-Files, something that I grew up on, you know, the abyss, like this notion that if there's something greater than our government and our technological capabilities, then we need to kind of like just acquiesce toward our institutions to be like,
02:09:10.000you just do whatever you need to do, whether that be...
02:09:15.000These things are a threat just because they exist and we don't know what they are.
02:09:21.000So my mind goes to There's a reason why this rollout is happening and it's not for the betterment of humanity and it's not because of the curiosity of these officials in terms of learning or wanting to find out what UFOs are.
02:09:35.000It's about, going back to what I said before, it's about militarization and Space Force was basically part of the neocon blueprint back from PNAC, the Bush administration, and Trump fulfilled that dream.
02:09:48.000And I do think that this is part of that.
02:09:52.000And look, I don't know, but I think that we need to ask questions.
02:10:56.000Because why would the fucking government finally start telling us without motivation, without some sort of endgame, what's in it for them to tell us about these things?
02:11:08.000Unless they're so frequent and so bizarre and so many military people are talking about them that they feel like their back is against the wall and they have to say something about it because otherwise they're going to lose credibility.
02:11:22.000And there's so many of them, like the Go Fast video, the FLIR video.
02:11:26.000There's so many of these encounters that these very reputable people, like Commander David Fravor, have had with these crafts that behave in a way that is impossible, as far as we know, with any known technology on Earth in 2021. And this is, the David Fravor one is from 2004. What's disturbing about it is no matter what it is,
02:11:45.000I don't think we're going to find out the truth.
02:11:47.000And I think it's going to be exploited for certain means that we're not going to know.
02:11:53.000But there is definitely something going on because it doesn't make sense.
02:11:57.000And if it's, oh, there's so many people seeing it, shit, this has been going on for 70 years.
02:12:01.000I mean, that movie, I mean, there's people like every day...
02:12:05.000One thing that I find really interesting, though, is now everyone has cell phones that film in 4K, Google Earth satellites all over the world that can zoom in on someone walking down the street.
02:12:17.000So if these things are flying over the ocean, like someone, you know, part of the David Fravor special on 60 Minutes was saying, I saw this shit like this every day.
02:13:39.000I don't know if this is true, but my friend Jeremy Corbell, who's been the guy who's released most of these, most of these videos, like those pyramid-shaped crafts that they were watching with night vision that were in the middle of the fucking ocean floating around over this destroyer or this aircraft carrier,
02:13:55.000they don't know what the fuck those things are.
02:13:57.000These are videos from people that are there.
02:13:59.000The one that was a transmedium vehicle that was flying over the ocean and then went into the ocean, they don't know what the fuck that is.
02:14:08.000They filmed that thing with night vision.
02:14:10.000They don't know what it is, and this was soldiers that were filming it, enlisted people who were filming it, and you could hear them saying, like, what the fuck is this doing?
02:15:04.000I mean, they're using the cameras that are on these fighter jets that are designed to track enemy craft, and that's what they're designed for.
02:15:12.000They're locking in on this thing with their tracking systems.
02:15:15.000This thing's moving at the same rates of speed, and they're following it.
02:15:41.000If that's true, they probably have some really high-resolution shit that will curl your toes.
02:15:47.000And that's what Christopher Mellon says.
02:15:49.000But there's no reason for them to release that stuff for two reasons.
02:15:52.000One, why would they give away the actual capability of these satellites in an undeniable way?
02:16:02.000If you could see the fucking bolts on this UFO from however many miles in the sky these satellites are, then everybody would be like, Jesus Christ, what else are they watching?
02:16:21.000If they can see that, if they can read a license plate from space, that's what's been reported, that it is possible now, through these satellites, that you can get such a high-resolution video that you can clearly see a license plate from space and read it clearly.
02:16:38.000There's also something called claytronics, which is like a programmable matter, like microcomputers that can create a holographic cloud that's actually a tangible hologram.
02:16:49.000I mean, there's so many things that seems like it's centuries off.
02:16:53.000This is what they're saying that they're working on, developing, where you can have a series of microcomputers program themselves into different visual entities, into one giant hologram.
02:17:40.000It's like, usually you would have people have the debunker, have the guy saying that he saw UFOs.
02:17:44.000But this one was just, like, glued in, being like, this is happening.
02:17:49.000Well, the New York Times is the first to break it in 2017. That really shifted the perception.
02:17:53.000When you see the New York Times has an article talking about these unexplained vehicles and taking them seriously, and then interviews with high-ranking military officials, people from the Pentagon, all that kind of shit, when you see that stuff starting to make it into the mainstream...
02:18:10.000The New York Times for sure changed everything.
02:18:12.000That 2017 article changed the people that would never take UFO seriously.
02:18:18.000They're seeing that in the New York Times and they're saying like, holy shit, this is in the Times.
02:18:21.000Yeah, these are the same people who discredited Dennis Kucinich at the 2007 presidential debate because they were like, you saw a UFO? Like, you fucking idiot.
02:18:47.000If they were developing BZ hallucinogenic weaponry back during the Cold War, my mind goes to something about if you take an FDMT, you visit aliens.
02:19:16.000You know those attacks in Havana where they couldn't figure out what- Yeah, right, the electromagnetic- Do they know what that is?
02:19:22.000They're claiming- This is another bizarre thing, is like something that seemed to science fiction a decade ago is now being told that it's real, like microwave weapons.
02:19:32.000That's what they're saying that they are.
02:19:35.000So like you're in your office, you're working in your office, all of a sudden you lose your equilibrium, you start throwing up, you can't think.
02:19:44.000Permanent brain damage for some of these people allegedly.
02:19:47.000They're calling it Havana Syndrome, it sounds like some film noir thing.
02:19:52.000And then they're pointing to, oh this must be China or Russia because we wouldn't morally Do anything like this, the red flags in my mind go off right there.
02:20:19.000Yeah, so, I mean, whether it be Cuba, Venezuela, multiple other countries, Iraq, there's a policy by the CIA to starve people into submission and then to overthrow their governments.
02:20:30.000It's never worked in the history of the world.
02:20:49.000And so there's been hundreds of assassination attempts against their leaders.
02:20:53.000The CIA has spent $25 million every single year trying to foment regime change, funding these institutions on the ground.
02:21:03.000They created a fake Twitter account called Zunzunio one year to try to, like, Yeah.
02:21:25.000Inside Cuba, in Miami to try to foment all of this hostility against the Castro regime.
02:21:31.000And the embargo, it doesn't just prevent trade from the U.S. It prevents and basically puts in place this pressure valve where any state in the world knows their place, knows that if they try to trade with Cuba, they will be penalized.
02:21:47.000So by proxy, they don't want to fuck with that because they will be threatened by the U.S. Like, you cannot do this.
02:21:53.000So Cuba has been isolated, this tiny island nation that has somehow done these incredible medicinal advancements like eliminating HIV transmission from mother to child.
02:22:04.000Despite the criminal embargo, this is preventing medicine from getting in.
02:22:08.000This is preventing food from getting in.
02:22:10.000This is a devastating thing that's cost them tens of billions of dollars.
02:22:13.000During COVID, Trump added like 100 plus sanctions on top of the embargo.
02:22:18.000And every single year, every country in the world in the United Nations General Assembly votes to lift the embargo, except the US and Israel.
02:23:55.000And you really see how the media is controlled.
02:23:57.000When Haiti's been protesting for three years straight against a U.S.-backed dictator and no one gave a shit, and then one day spontaneous protests erupt, right?
02:24:08.000And all of a sudden the media is all over it.
02:24:43.000And when you look at the actual terrorism, That the US has sponsored to try to overthrow this tiny island nation's economic system just because they didn't want to go along with capitalism.
02:24:55.000So yeah, when I see protests erupt spontaneously, and when the media is actually desperately showing the pro-communist protests as anti-communist protests, there's actually dueling protests right now.
02:25:10.000Bombing Cuba, an option that needs to be discussed, says Miami mayor.
02:26:26.000I absolutely think that we need to question everything that's coming from our media, especially when I was on the ground in Venezuela when they were saying the same thing about Maduro.
02:26:59.000Is there a discussion with some intelligence agency that gets together with the head executives and they sort out what the narrative is going to be and then this gets filtered down to the talking heads that are on the network?
02:27:13.000Going back to the model of, like, how does consent – how is it operated and how is it manufactured?
02:27:20.000It's like, yeah, so media ownership, right?
02:27:22.000Who owns the giant corporate conglomerates?
02:27:25.000A small few – A small – like five or six corporations control 90 percent of everything that we see here in Reed.
02:27:45.000You don't get access to people unless you play the game.
02:27:48.000If you ask questions that are unsavory, you will not get invited back to the press conference.
02:27:54.000Then you go to the whole issue of flack, undermining the messenger who counters whatever.
02:28:00.000So it's marginalizing and discrediting people who don't go in line, which goes back to the hiring process, which goes back to self-censorship.
02:28:08.000If you are working at these media outlets, chances are you agree largely with the orthodoxy of the media network.
02:28:15.000You agree with the fact that the US is an empire, that it, you know, You're a capitalist.
02:28:45.000For example, this woman who was just in a Students for Justice for Palestine chapter in her university, some woman named Emily, she joined AP as an intern, and she was fired.
02:28:59.000From a pro-Zionist lobbying campaign, because they said she was too biased to work at AP. Meanwhile, you have a former IDF prison guard, the Israeli military, he was a prison guard in the Israeli military, managing the Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg.
02:29:13.000I mean, that's the kind of disproportionality that we're talking about.
02:29:17.000So, yeah, it's also advertising, of course, right?
02:29:36.000And 80%, this is according to Peter Phillips, the author of Giants Who Really Rules the World, and it's really transnational corporations that have interlocking boards of directorates, and really you can fit them all in a studio no bigger than this giant apparatus, but he says that 80% of corporate news is prepackaged by PR firms that work for governments or corporations.
02:29:59.00080% of the news that's delivered through this filter is prepackaged for us.
02:30:37.000And beyond that, I don't have the veil and facade of objectivity where a lot of these people in the corporate news will say, oh, no, I'm an objective journalist.
02:31:52.000And apply our own critical thinking, because we're living in a highly polarized, highly politicized society right now, and it's never been worse.
02:32:01.000We're siloed off into our own echo chambers.
02:32:04.000We only see what we want to see because the corporations have insidiously curated what our reality should be.
02:32:12.000And that is not the way that we need to be.
02:32:14.000That's not how we're ever going to get an understanding.
02:32:16.000That's not ever how we're going to figure out where our similarities lie.
02:33:18.000You know, Chinese people are working to curb their carbon emissions.
02:33:22.000They're working to change their society as best they can.
02:33:26.000All I can do as an American citizen is do as much as I can here in this country because I feel like dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
02:33:34.000And I need to speak out, use my platform, use my voice as much as I'm being, you know, as much as our videos throttled on YouTube, as much as the algorithms have censored my work.
02:33:44.000I need to do whatever I can to put this information out there.
02:33:48.000Because I think it's important, you know, and a lot of people are interested in it.
02:33:52.000I never learned true history or the nature of our government in school.
02:33:56.000You know, my education was sanitized for me.
02:33:58.000So it's important for me to be that vector to be that vehicle for other people who want to go down, down, down, down.
02:34:06.000Well, never has the propaganda been clearer than the adoption by the military of woke ethics.
02:34:25.000Dude, talk about a PSYOP. It's wild because they're basically trying to connect themselves to woke ethics because they recognize, they've licked their finger, they found out which way the wind's blowing, like, yeah, go that way.
02:34:53.000Well, the CIA had such a bad rap, I think, before 9-11, and they've been able to rebrand themselves so many times.
02:34:59.000And then, of course, through Trump, all these intelligence communities, agents have been able to rebrand themselves as like resistance people and all this shit.
02:35:06.000But let's go back to what we knew the CIA was doing before 9-11, because they're still doing that shit today.
02:35:25.000And how are they changing their PR strategy to adopt this woke ideology to basically trick young kids into recruitment models and whatever, and to try to wipe their hands clean of their sinister, horrific, bloody legacy that continues today?
02:35:47.000What, if anything, can make our society a more balanced, more accurate in terms of its portrayal of what really is going on in the world and a place where we're not doing the same shit in a more complicated way decade after decade?
02:36:12.000I think that, well, first of all, demilitarization is key.
02:36:16.000I think that we don't need 800 military bases around the world.
02:36:20.000We need to be honest about who we are and what we do, right, and take accountability for what this country is doing in our name.
02:36:28.000That has to start with the consciousness shifting.
02:36:31.000That has to start with conversations that are uncomfortable, right?
02:36:35.000When it comes to Israel-Palestine, it's happened.
02:36:37.000We're now on the other side of the coin.
02:37:49.000I would recommend people get off Twitter and get in the real world and start talking and engaging in dialogue because nothing will ever change.
02:37:57.000We're just going to keep reinforcing These structures and we're going to keep reinforcing the most horrible habits and falling back on ideologies that are based on myths and nothing more.
02:38:13.000And it's really unfortunate because the biggest myth of all is the fact that we need to be an empire and we need to really address that and we need to start figuring out how can we live in a sustainable world?
02:38:24.000How can we cooperate And face the challenges that are coming.
02:39:28.000It's actually kind of cool to think of what our children will do.
02:39:33.000Because I'm trying to look at this, yeah, there's so many things to be negative about and harp about, but I think that the future could be a really amazing one.
02:39:40.000Because I have faith that the creativity and ingenuity of people embracing the vastly different reality that we grew up in.
02:39:49.000And abolishing all these old relics of the nuclear family and the fact that you need to just put in this $100,000 into a college fund and then go to college and get a degree and then slave away in some thing that none of that is going to apply to them.
02:40:05.000And so it's actually a really beautiful thing that we can develop.
02:40:07.000And if we cooperate and if we work together and if we figure out a way that we can actually manage our resources in a sustainable way, And in a harmonious way with nature, and I truly believe that we can, I think the world will be a very,
02:40:37.000I think we're worried about other countries.
02:40:39.000I think that's one of the reasons why most people, including myself, support the military is because we think that other countries are up to no good.
02:41:52.000What I've been told is that everybody who's working for whatever corporation you're working for, the mandates get brought down from the Communist Party and that's why they're involved in whether it's road building in parts of Africa or whether they're developing mines.
02:42:10.000All these things they're doing, they're doing with the interest of the Communist Party.
02:42:14.000But even if you were to take that narrative at face value and say, okay, so we do that with the IMF and the World Bank.
02:42:35.000Yeah, it's kind of intertwined with the military, of course, because it's acting as an alternative to subjugate entire nations into debt traps and stuff like that.
02:42:43.000But still, that's like a side from what I'm talking about, this giant global military empire.
02:42:57.000So you think that it's established this way because of what Eisenhower warned about, that the military industrial complex has become this overwhelming beast of a system.
02:43:10.000That has just controlled the United States government for so long and controlled the way we interact with foreign governments for so long that we think that it has to be this way, but it doesn't.