The Joe Rogan Experience - July 27, 2021


Joe Rogan Experience #1687 - Jimmy Dore


Episode Stats

Length

2 hours and 55 minutes

Words per Minute

202.14693

Word Count

35,497

Sentence Count

3,325

Misogynist Sentences

44

Hate Speech Sentences

40


Summary

In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe talks about a near-death experience he had in the middle of the night in the freezing cold. He talks about how he managed to survive the ordeal, and what he did to make it through it. Joe also talks about what it's like to be hypothermia-freezing in the car and how to deal with it, and why you should do the same in the ice bath. Joe also gives some tips and tricks on how to survive in the cold, and talks about some of the weirdest things he's done in the past to make sure he doesn't die. Enjoy, and spread the word to your friends and family about this episode! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. Art: Mackenzie Moore. Cover art by Ian Dorsch. The theme song is by Skandalous, courtesy of Lotuspool Records, and our ad music is by Build Buildings, and the album art is by Fugue, which you can stream on SoundCloud here. If you like what you hear, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts, and we'll get a shoutout on the next episode of the podcast! Thank you so much for all the support and shout outs! Peace, Love, Blessings, Cheers, Joe, EJ, Kristian, and Cheers! -Eddie, Kristian and Sarah, Sarah, J.J. & James Nestor, Sarah, and Sarah. -The Joe Rogans Podcast, and Thank You, Sarah & Sarah, Caitie, and Merry Christmas, and Good Morning Joe, and Happy Holidays! -Joe Rogan Podcast, by Night Train by Night, -Jon, Caitlyn, and Jon, the Crew, and John Rocha, Jr., and the Crews, - Thank you for all your support and Support, Jon, Sarah and Sarah's, and much more! -Jon and Sam, and Mike, and all the rest and love, Thank you all the love, Kristy, and thank you for being here, and thanks you all for listening and support, and God bless you all of your support, love, and good vibes, and keep you're so much love, bye, good night, and love you, bye! -JOGAN PODCAST


Transcript

00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.
00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
00:00:12.000 It's always some extreme shit.
00:00:14.000 I know, I know.
00:00:15.000 This is the most extreme, though.
00:00:16.000 This is the closest I've ever come to dying, I think.
00:00:19.000 Doing one of these things.
00:00:21.000 I just don't know why.
00:00:22.000 My friend Jocko Willink, he sent me a video of his kid doing 20 minutes in the ice bath.
00:00:29.000 Because the first time I did it, I bailed it like a minute and a half.
00:00:33.000 And I was like, oh my god, this is so cold.
00:00:35.000 And then last night I did it and I got to four minutes.
00:00:38.000 And I was like, I think I can go further.
00:00:40.000 And so today what I decided to do is set a timer.
00:00:43.000 So when I set a timer, like I had my phone timer on so I could look at the timer.
00:00:47.000 And when I did that, I could stare and I knew exactly how much time was passed.
00:00:51.000 And so I got to five minutes.
00:00:53.000 That was my goal to get to five minutes.
00:00:54.000 I was like, fuck it, let's go for 10. I got to 10. I was like, fuck it, 15. I got to 15 and then I was like, we're gonna go for 20. And I got to 20 minutes.
00:01:02.000 33 degrees, too.
00:01:03.000 I'm fucking freezing in there.
00:01:04.000 Jeez.
00:01:05.000 And then when I got to 20 and I got out, like, I could barely walk.
00:01:09.000 And then I was shivering the entire shiver, like hardcore shivering in my house, shivering all the way over.
00:01:15.000 It's 90 degrees in Texas.
00:01:16.000 I'm driving, no AC on, windows rolled up, freezing.
00:01:20.000 Freezing.
00:01:21.000 Normally I'd be like sweating like a pig in there.
00:01:24.000 I was freezing, shivering, like all the way over here.
00:01:27.000 I got here.
00:01:28.000 I'm wearing this sweatshirt because I had it laying around here.
00:01:31.000 I put it on because I was freezing.
00:01:33.000 Yeah, I just...
00:01:33.000 While you were doing that, I was hitting my snooze button.
00:01:37.000 I swear to God, that's what I was doing.
00:01:38.000 Joe's right now in an ice bath trying to do another five minutes.
00:01:41.000 I'm going to do another five minutes, too.
00:01:43.000 I'm going to do another...
00:01:43.000 I don't know who's doing the right thing.
00:01:45.000 You might be doing the right thing.
00:01:46.000 I might be torturing myself.
00:01:47.000 Yeah.
00:01:48.000 It's probably like a point of diminishing returns.
00:01:50.000 It's probably like five minutes or something.
00:01:52.000 You're very close to hypothermia.
00:01:54.000 Oh, look at that.
00:01:55.000 Mild hypothermia, 35 to 32 degrees.
00:01:57.000 But is that your body?
00:01:59.000 What?
00:02:00.000 I... I was just looking up like the symptoms was the first couple things you were saying.
00:02:04.000 Shivering, yeah.
00:02:05.000 Let me see what the symptoms are.
00:02:07.000 Exhaustion, no.
00:02:08.000 I'm definitely not exhausted.
00:02:09.000 I'm confused as to why I did it.
00:02:11.000 Fumbling hands, no.
00:02:13.000 Memory loss, no.
00:02:14.000 Sword speech, no.
00:02:15.000 Drowsiness, no.
00:02:17.000 What's the difference between exhaustion and feeling tired or drowsiness?
00:02:20.000 They're redundant.
00:02:22.000 That seems a little, right?
00:02:23.000 Yeah.
00:02:24.000 The thing is the breathing exercises.
00:02:26.000 If you deep breathe, I deep breathe through it.
00:02:28.000 Like, in the beginning, I was just kind of breathing normal, and then once it got real rough, I started doing these deep breathing exercises like six seconds in and six seconds out, and then it was more tolerable.
00:02:39.000 Yeah, it's amazing what people do to...
00:02:43.000 You know, I was just hanging by my thumbs for six hours.
00:02:45.000 I'm like, I could do it.
00:02:46.000 Let's just do it.
00:02:46.000 Let's see if I could do it.
00:02:47.000 Because my friend sent me a video of his kid hanging by his thumbs.
00:02:50.000 And I was like, I bet I could do it longer.
00:02:52.000 Like, what is that?
00:02:53.000 I don't know.
00:02:54.000 I don't know.
00:02:55.000 I don't know what I do.
00:02:56.000 I just...
00:02:56.000 All this stuff, you guys, it's always like, you can't eat, but once every 36 hours, you've got to breathe through your nose, and then your mouth will expand, and you'll have the right bite.
00:03:05.000 And I'm like, what?
00:03:06.000 All this crazy shit I never knew about.
00:03:08.000 Yeah, I've gotten this, like...
00:03:12.000 Accidental education on this show.
00:03:14.000 Just wanting to talk like James Nestor, the breathe guy.
00:03:17.000 The guy who makes the palate bigger?
00:03:18.000 Literally makes it...
00:03:20.000 Did you do that?
00:03:20.000 No, I didn't do that.
00:03:21.000 I didn't do that.
00:03:22.000 No, I didn't do that.
00:03:22.000 I do do the breathing exercises, but that's like a type of breathing.
00:03:26.000 I think you're supposed to do something as you do...
00:03:30.000 What is that called?
00:03:30.000 The mewing?
00:03:31.000 Wasn't it called mewing?
00:03:32.000 There's like a thing that they say that people do to sort of expand your palate.
00:03:38.000 It changes the inside of your mouth somehow or another.
00:03:41.000 Yeah.
00:03:41.000 Well, apparently our mouths...
00:03:43.000 Mewing is the placement of the tongue on the roof of the mouth, which proponents say can reshape the face and help correct orthodontic breathing and facial structural issues.
00:03:51.000 It was developed by an orthodontist named John Mew in the 1970s.
00:03:56.000 So why don't more people do that?
00:03:58.000 Why don't more people do a lot of things?
00:04:00.000 Deep breathing exercises are phenomenal for your immune system.
00:04:04.000 They're phenomenal for relaxation, for alleviating anxiety.
00:04:07.000 There's a lot of different things that you can do that people don't do because they're hard.
00:04:11.000 It's like we have to overcome.
00:04:13.000 I mean, that's the thing.
00:04:14.000 It's overcoming this sort of hesitancy to do things that are difficult.
00:04:21.000 Well, that's the short-term, long-term, right?
00:04:24.000 So if you want a long-term gain or a short-term gain, and that's the whole point.
00:04:29.000 That's the whole point of life, right?
00:04:30.000 You've got to be able to take pain, but I'll still...
00:04:33.000 Every time I put a mask on, I think of that episode where you talk about sniffing and breathing through your nose.
00:04:39.000 Because if I breathe through my mouth with a mask on, it just smells horrible.
00:04:44.000 I never knew I had such bad breath.
00:04:46.000 I'm like, wow, it's like, holy shit, like I'm farting out of my mouth.
00:04:50.000 This is horror.
00:04:51.000 I don't know how people wear masks all goddamn day.
00:04:53.000 You really have to change masks.
00:04:56.000 Even when I'm on the plane, I'll take a little blanket and I'll put it over and then I'll take my mask off because I can't sit there like that.
00:05:03.000 And I act like I can't do it.
00:05:07.000 I don't know how people wear masks all day.
00:05:09.000 People who have to go to work and wear masks all day and they don't get paid double, that's crazy.
00:05:14.000 It is crazy.
00:05:14.000 And it's not healthy for you.
00:05:16.000 How could that be?
00:05:17.000 It can't be.
00:05:18.000 I've read, or listened rather, to this doctor describing masks and he said, there's a certain amount of viral load that the mask will filter out.
00:05:28.000 But essentially, he goes, I wear a mask so that people don't think I'm an asshole.
00:05:32.000 Yeah.
00:05:33.000 He said, when you use a mask, it's essentially like a chain link fence trying to stop a handful of sand.
00:05:40.000 He goes, some of it will get stopped.
00:05:43.000 Really?
00:05:44.000 Yeah.
00:05:44.000 He goes, but why do you wear a mask?
00:05:45.000 He goes, you wear a mask so that people don't think you're an asshole and then people realize you care.
00:05:50.000 Unless you're wearing a very tight fitting N95 mask, you know, it's really sealed off.
00:05:56.000 And then like, how are you getting air in?
00:05:59.000 You know, these things that Reggie Watts told us about, these headgear things, HEPA filters.
00:06:07.000 I've seen those.
00:06:08.000 Yeah, we have those out there.
00:06:09.000 They're like space suit helmets.
00:06:11.000 Those are legit.
00:06:12.000 Like that thing, you actually tighten it on your neck.
00:06:14.000 It's like an astronaut.
00:06:17.000 Reggie was like, this is what I'm going to wear when I travel.
00:06:19.000 I'm like, why not?
00:06:20.000 You're a fucking wild dude.
00:06:22.000 Reggie Watts is wearing a space suit everywhere.
00:06:24.000 I was going to do that.
00:06:25.000 Why not?
00:06:26.000 Because I had an offer to go to Italy, and I was like, but I was afraid to risk getting sick.
00:06:33.000 This is last year.
00:06:35.000 And then I wasn't going to go.
00:06:38.000 And I was like, no, you can't even travel to Italy.
00:06:40.000 You can't go anywhere.
00:06:41.000 And so everything got bad.
00:06:42.000 But I think it's going to...
00:06:43.000 Are you afraid about the...
00:06:45.000 Dates?
00:06:45.000 There's Reggie.
00:06:46.000 Ah!
00:06:48.000 That's it!
00:06:48.000 Yeah, that's the thing.
00:06:49.000 We have them outside.
00:06:50.000 Look at Reggie.
00:06:53.000 He's so wild.
00:06:54.000 But aren't you afraid that dates are going to get canceled?
00:06:57.000 Yes.
00:06:57.000 Yes, 100%.
00:06:58.000 So I'm going to start happening again.
00:06:59.000 Yes, I am.
00:07:00.000 And I'm just accepting it.
00:07:01.000 I'm just zen.
00:07:02.000 It is what it is.
00:07:04.000 It's not the worst thing that can happen, is dates get canceled.
00:07:07.000 I've had a date scheduled for 420 in Vancouver for the past two years.
00:07:11.000 It was supposed to be 420 of 2020, and now it's going to be 420 of 2022. Because you can't even get there.
00:07:23.000 Obviously 421 is gone, and 420...
00:07:26.000 They're opening up Canada in August.
00:07:30.000 So it might not even happen then.
00:07:31.000 We're supposed to be in Vancouver.
00:07:33.000 You mean Canada's not open right now?
00:07:34.000 Not really.
00:07:35.000 I mean, you can kind of get in, but I think it's a big deal, and you have to quarantine.
00:07:40.000 Are they open to international travel?
00:07:42.000 I think when you're a Canadian resident, like Matty Madison, you know, the chef, he was here, and he said that he had a quarantine for two weeks when he went back.
00:07:51.000 That's quite a name, Matty Madison.
00:07:53.000 He's a bad motherfucker.
00:07:54.000 I always like names like that.
00:07:55.000 Chris Christie, Matty Madison.
00:07:56.000 Yeah.
00:07:57.000 That'd be like if I was Jimmy Jimmison.
00:08:00.000 Look, it's Joe Joeyson.
00:08:02.000 How are you, Joey Joe?
00:08:03.000 It's a weird time, but it is what it is.
00:08:08.000 I mean, there's nothing you do about it, so I just accept it.
00:08:12.000 So if dates get canceled, there's worse things.
00:08:15.000 Yeah.
00:08:16.000 Alright, well, it's good talking to you, Joe.
00:08:17.000 It is what it is.
00:08:23.000 Alright, take care.
00:08:24.000 Good to see you, Jamie.
00:08:24.000 I mean, what can you do?
00:08:26.000 You know, other than try to stay healthy.
00:08:28.000 Try to stay healthy and...
00:08:29.000 Here's the weird thing.
00:08:32.000 So, maybe I shouldn't say this.
00:08:36.000 No, I won't say it.
00:08:37.000 Okay.
00:08:37.000 I get it.
00:08:38.000 Yeah.
00:08:39.000 Yeah, it's a weird time when you talk about things openly, right?
00:08:43.000 Because there's certain things that if you just discuss them honestly, people are going to get furious at you.
00:08:47.000 Yeah.
00:08:47.000 There's certain opinions that if you hold these opinions, people are going to get furious at you.
00:08:50.000 So to me, that's the worst...
00:08:52.000 A byproduct of a Trump presidency was that questions, you're not allowed to question things.
00:08:59.000 You're not allowed to have certain thoughts.
00:09:01.000 And if you have certain thoughts, you're considered deplorable.
00:09:07.000 And it's real.
00:09:09.000 That's a real thing happening.
00:09:11.000 And just like, for instance, remember when...
00:09:14.000 If you gave the theory that the virus started in a lab, that you were cancelled and that was misinformation.
00:09:22.000 And then Jon Stewart goes on Stephen Colbert and does the funniest bit in the world about it.
00:09:28.000 Even though Colbert was trying to hamstring it.
00:09:31.000 Oh, he was doing the opposite of what comedians are supposed to do.
00:09:34.000 He wasn't doing yes and.
00:09:35.000 Right.
00:09:36.000 So when John Stewart was being hilarious, he kept trying to take the legs out from underneath the bit.
00:09:40.000 I'd like to see some evidence, if you have any evidence.
00:09:42.000 How long have you worked for Ron Johnson?
00:09:44.000 It's like, what in the F are you doing?
00:09:46.000 This guy's doing a brilliant comedy bit.
00:09:48.000 I know.
00:09:48.000 And he is so shit-libbed, Stephen Colbert, his brain is so shit-libbed that he can't even go along with the bit.
00:09:55.000 He has to break comedy rules to save his shit-libbed reputation.
00:10:01.000 And Jon Stewart at one point just walked away from him and went right towards the camera.
00:10:05.000 He's like, well, I'm done with you.
00:10:06.000 Well, he just had to keep the momentum going.
00:10:08.000 He was being cock-blocked.
00:10:09.000 Yes!
00:10:10.000 So everybody noticed that, right?
00:10:11.000 It wasn't just me?
00:10:12.000 Every comic.
00:10:13.000 Yeah, we noticed it for sure.
00:10:14.000 Because we know that feeling.
00:10:16.000 There's a heckler.
00:10:18.000 And you're in the middle of a bit.
00:10:19.000 You're going to stop?
00:10:20.000 You walk away from the heckler.
00:10:21.000 And you walk to the rest of the room.
00:10:22.000 That's what he did.
00:10:23.000 Yeah.
00:10:24.000 And...
00:10:24.000 You know, god damn, Stephen Colbert.
00:10:27.000 He used to be my favorite.
00:10:29.000 He was amazing on The Daily Show.
00:10:31.000 Amazing.
00:10:31.000 He was so good.
00:10:32.000 And on The Colbert Show, he was amazing.
00:10:34.000 I mean, that character he did...
00:10:36.000 Apparently he's going to do that again.
00:10:37.000 Really?
00:10:37.000 I don't know.
00:10:38.000 I saw some video.
00:10:39.000 He's going back to Comedy Central.
00:10:40.000 There's some thing with him going back to Comedy Central.
00:10:43.000 That character was fucking brilliant.
00:10:45.000 And it was a brilliant show.
00:10:46.000 Now...
00:10:47.000 The show he does now is not as good as that show, and even close.
00:10:51.000 No.
00:10:52.000 It's one of those surface-level conversation things, and then when someone does come in with something brilliant, he has to not shut it down, because it might offend who knows who it might offend.
00:11:02.000 The beautiful thing about those shows is it really helps guys like us.
00:11:07.000 Yes.
00:11:07.000 It really does.
00:11:08.000 I know.
00:11:08.000 Because you can talk about things in long form and not be interrupted.
00:11:12.000 Charlamagne Tha God and Stephen Colbert launched late-night TV talk show.
00:11:16.000 I know that.
00:11:17.000 Is that what it is?
00:11:18.000 That's what this says.
00:11:19.000 This is how it's...
00:11:20.000 I mean, this article, at least, says that this is how he's coming back as being the producer of this show or something like that.
00:11:26.000 Oh, okay.
00:11:27.000 Okay.
00:11:28.000 Well, Charlemagne's awesome.
00:11:30.000 That would be great.
00:11:32.000 That'll be great.
00:11:32.000 Yeah.
00:11:33.000 That'll be great.
00:11:34.000 But, again, better if it's on the internet because you don't get interrupted.
00:11:39.000 Like, there's this thing where you're interrupting the flow of the conversation that it stops these...
00:11:43.000 You know, I don't have to tell you, but for the people that are listening...
00:11:47.000 Your mind is, when you're having these conversations with people, your mind is sort of going to like, where does this go next?
00:11:53.000 And what about this?
00:11:55.000 And what about that?
00:11:56.000 And you want to listen to the person, but you also have some thoughts.
00:11:58.000 You're waiting to interject and all that stuff gets hamstrung when you have five minutes and then you have to cut to commercial.
00:12:06.000 And then also you're working for a large corporation and there's, whether it's a spoken pressure or it's just a known pressure.
00:12:15.000 Particularly to adhere to these very distinct ideas that everybody's propagating, whatever those ideas are.
00:12:23.000 And it's mostly these liberal leftist ideas that you're getting from these Hollywood studios.
00:12:29.000 Whether they've thought through these things or not, it's like if you want to work, you better adhere to these ideas and you better adhere to these – you better say these things.
00:12:39.000 Yeah, I mean, well, we all know that there was the letter that was CAA sent to Tulsi Gabbard, right?
00:12:48.000 Do you know about that, right?
00:12:49.000 And they were like, when she wouldn't back Hillary Clinton, and they sent, now this is going back years ago, so it's hard for me to remember, but yeah, they were like threatening her, like, hey, you better get on board with Hillary and all this stuff, and...
00:13:05.000 And it was from the CIA. This is from 2016?
00:13:09.000 Yeah, it's back then.
00:13:13.000 Is it available?
00:13:15.000 Check it out.
00:13:15.000 Can you Google that, see if that whatever comes up for that?
00:13:19.000 Pretty police, so I'm not giving misinformation.
00:13:24.000 And that's the beauty of YouTube.
00:13:30.000 Or podcasts is because there's no gatekeeper.
00:13:34.000 Right.
00:13:34.000 And so now they don't know how to control me, someone like me.
00:13:37.000 Now I get to just say whatever I want all the time, and it turns out there's a lot of people who like that, and they like what I'm saying, and that can't be controlled, and they don't know what to do.
00:13:46.000 So what they do is they'll write hit pieces on you, on me.
00:13:50.000 They've done that.
00:13:50.000 So when I was pushing Force to Vote, I don't know if you know what that was.
00:13:53.000 Yeah, sure.
00:13:54.000 But explain it to people maybe who don't.
00:13:55.000 So Force to Vote was...
00:13:57.000 I'll bring it back up.
00:13:58.000 Okay, so forced to vote was when the Democrats got a majority in the House, but it was a very slim majority.
00:14:06.000 It was like somewhere around 8, 9, 10 votes, something like that.
00:14:09.000 It wasn't that many votes.
00:14:11.000 And we realized that the squad, the Justice Democrats, now had enough members that they couldn't elect the Speaker without their votes.
00:14:20.000 So if they withheld their votes, Nancy Pelosi could not become Speaker.
00:14:24.000 And so everybody had always thought that getting a vote on the floor of the House for Medicare for All was a big goal of the left, just to get a vote.
00:14:33.000 Nancy Pelosi has been called, said in 1994, we should have a vote for single payer.
00:14:37.000 And of course, AOC said famously that we can't even get a vote.
00:14:42.000 She was lamenting.
00:14:42.000 She's saying the Democratic Party is a center-right party, and we can't even get a vote on Medicare for All.
00:14:46.000 Well, here's a way you can get it.
00:14:48.000 You can withhold your vote from Nancy.
00:14:50.000 You use leverage, just like the Tea Party did.
00:14:52.000 They're called the Freedom Caucus.
00:14:53.000 They drove John Boehner crazy to the point where he stepped down because they couldn't pass anything without their votes, the Freedom Caucus.
00:15:00.000 Same thing right now.
00:15:02.000 All the leverage is in the hands of that squad, and they could use it, but they refused to do it.
00:15:07.000 And so I made a push for them to do this.
00:15:11.000 And it was obvious they didn't want to do it.
00:15:14.000 What do you think is holding them back?
00:15:17.000 I think what's going on is that, as Chris Hedges says, politics attracts the most mediocre people to begin with.
00:15:27.000 And they're narcissists and they're self-dealers.
00:15:30.000 And so once they got power, they realized, I don't really want to go against the establishment, because I don't want to feel the wrath of the establishment.
00:15:39.000 I don't want to feel the wrath of Wall Street, the military-industrial complex, Big Pharma, and all that, and the party coming down on me.
00:15:46.000 Because if you're in Congress, you're going to get speaking fees, right?
00:15:50.000 Speaking gigs, you're going to get a book deal.
00:15:52.000 And if you're in Congress for five years, you get a pension for the rest of your life.
00:15:56.000 So these people do not want to upset the apple cart like they ran on.
00:16:00.000 They ran on literally AOC was saying that we need to cause a ruckus.
00:16:04.000 And they don't want to be pushed, but we have to push them and we have to stop being polite.
00:16:08.000 That's what she said.
00:16:10.000 So you think they get into office and then all the benefits of being in office then start to show themselves and they get a little bit...
00:16:19.000 And so right now, if you voted for people in the squad, they've been going along with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden 100%.
00:16:26.000 They said they gave Joe Biden an A. That was the progressives giving Joe Biden.
00:16:31.000 Joe Biden, who's not doing anything he campaigned.
00:16:34.000 He campaigned on the public option.
00:16:35.000 We're not getting the public option for health care.
00:16:38.000 He campaigned on a $15 minimum wage.
00:16:41.000 We're not getting a $15 minimum wage.
00:16:43.000 We're not getting it at all.
00:16:43.000 And by the way, so the squad could use their leverage to make him do these things and to decriminalize marijuana.
00:16:49.000 He's going the other way.
00:16:50.000 He's ramping up the drug war again.
00:16:52.000 Isn't Schumer trying to push legalizing?
00:16:55.000 Isn't that something?
00:16:56.000 Chuck Schumer is too progressive for Joe Biden.
00:17:00.000 That's it.
00:17:01.000 The biggest tool of Wall Street.
00:17:03.000 That's why Chuck Schumer is the leader, by the way.
00:17:05.000 Chuck Schumer is not the leader because he's a leader that people want to follow.
00:17:08.000 Chuck Schumer is the leader because Wall Street gives him the most cash that he then divvies out to the rest of the senators.
00:17:14.000 And that's why he's the leader, because they need his cash, and he's the biggest puppet of Wall Street.
00:17:19.000 That's why Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are president and vice president.
00:17:22.000 Wall Street first picked Kamala Harris on Martha's Vineyard.
00:17:25.000 That was their first pick.
00:17:27.000 They thought they had another Obama.
00:17:28.000 Because if you remember, Obama was the darling of Wall Street.
00:17:31.000 In fact, his entire cabinet came from an email that was given to him from Citigroup.
00:17:36.000 We now know that from WikiLeaks, right?
00:17:38.000 And everybody in that email from Citigroup ended up in Barack Obama.
00:17:41.000 Barack Obama got more money from Wall Street than John McCain when he ran.
00:17:44.000 People forget that.
00:17:45.000 So they're the ones who are choosing who are president and vice president.
00:17:48.000 We don't have real elections.
00:17:49.000 We get selectants.
00:17:50.000 We have selections, right?
00:17:52.000 So they picked Kamala Harris.
00:17:53.000 Turns out Kamala Harris couldn't get a goddamn vote.
00:17:56.000 She couldn't get a vote.
00:17:57.000 Or a delegate.
00:17:59.000 Nobody liked her.
00:18:00.000 So they switched.
00:18:01.000 Well, Tulsi Gabbard kind of put the screws into that, right?
00:18:04.000 He heard her.
00:18:04.000 She heard her, yeah.
00:18:05.000 Yeah, she heard her bad in that debate.
00:18:07.000 But, I mean, I think Kamala Harris was just transparent.
00:18:10.000 I think people saw she was nothing.
00:18:12.000 Anyway...
00:18:14.000 So they went to their next person, their next most reliable guy.
00:18:17.000 Who's that?
00:18:17.000 Joe Biden is the most reliable guy from Wall Street.
00:18:20.000 He's the guy who criminalized bankruptcy.
00:18:21.000 If you get medical debt, now you can't get rid of it.
00:18:24.000 I mean, he did everything he could for Wall Street, and he's done it.
00:18:27.000 He's no friend of the working man, Joe Biden, obviously.
00:18:30.000 And so that's how we got Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
00:18:33.000 They're Wall Street's number one and number two.
00:18:35.000 And that's what happens.
00:18:36.000 And so we don't have elections.
00:18:38.000 We do have selections.
00:18:39.000 And this idea that voting Democrat, you know, Joe Biden, I was told that you have to vote for Joe Biden because of kids in cages.
00:18:48.000 Well, the kids are still in cages, Joe.
00:18:50.000 I don't know if you know that, but I guess they should be honored that they are being caged by the lesser of two evils.
00:18:54.000 Well, you can't film them now, which is very strange, where they try to stop people from filming them.
00:18:59.000 So it's just censorship now.
00:19:01.000 That's all they have now left is censorship.
00:19:03.000 It's so disheartening to see the left advocating for censorship instead of pushing the correct ideas.
00:19:11.000 Instead of having open debates about these ideas to prove their point or to argue their point, they want to silence the opposing point of view.
00:19:19.000 And where we're seeing the problem with this, clearly what you just described earlier with the lab leak theory.
00:19:25.000 The lab leak theory under Trump was something that they wanted to suppress.
00:19:28.000 So if you push that lab leak theory, if you even discussed it on Facebook, they yanked it.
00:19:33.000 They took it down.
00:19:33.000 But now they're saying it's the most likely scenario.
00:19:37.000 And even Fauci is forced to admit that this is a possibility.
00:19:41.000 You know, and that weird conversation that he had with Rand Paul, We're saying that it's molecularly impossible according to the data from China.
00:19:49.000 Like, hey, when did we start listening to the data from China as being 100% accurate?
00:19:55.000 This is crazy talk.
00:19:57.000 Fauci.
00:19:58.000 He sounds like a used car salesman.
00:19:59.000 He's like, that's not gain-of-funk.
00:20:01.000 This is the definition, right?
00:20:02.000 That's not what I have people qualified up and down the line.
00:20:05.000 You mean people qualified that you handpicked?
00:20:08.000 Yeah, that's the problem.
00:20:08.000 He just goes, people qualified up and down the...
00:20:11.000 Yeah, up that you picked that rely on you to get a job.
00:20:14.000 And of course, the soundbite out of that was, you don't know what you're talking about.
00:20:18.000 That was the soundbite that got played.
00:20:21.000 Played the whole thing.
00:20:21.000 Well, that's the weird thing is that there's two narratives.
00:20:25.000 And there was the narrative from the right is that Rand Paul called him out and proved that he was not telling the truth about gain-of-function research.
00:20:33.000 And then the narrative on the left was Fauci owns Rand Paul.
00:20:36.000 It was just like, Jesus Christ, you guys are like little kids.
00:20:39.000 He owned him?
00:20:40.000 Like, is that what it is?
00:20:41.000 He scolded him?
00:20:43.000 He told him?
00:20:44.000 He told him what not?
00:20:45.000 Is that what happened?
00:20:46.000 Like, it's so strange.
00:20:48.000 Well, the first time, not this last time, but the first time I saw Rand Paul giving it to Fauci about gain-of-function, he mentioned the doctor's name.
00:20:57.000 He said, Dr. Joe Blow, whatever the name was, he said, that's not gain-of-function.
00:21:03.000 And Fauci goes, no, that's not gain-of-function.
00:21:05.000 And if it is, it's being done under the right regulation.
00:21:09.000 Right.
00:21:09.000 He contradicted himself right there.
00:21:11.000 That's not going to function, what he's doing, but if it is, it's being done correctly.
00:21:15.000 What the...
00:21:16.000 So he's being like a politician.
00:21:18.000 He's being like, oh, come on, you got...
00:21:19.000 Buy this new...
00:21:20.000 It's an 84 Corolla.
00:21:22.000 It's really good.
00:21:23.000 But it's so strange that this has become a political issue when you're literally talking about...
00:21:30.000 The possibility, and I'm just saying the possibility because obviously I don't know, that the research that was funded by the NIH through that...
00:21:38.000 What was it?
00:21:38.000 Echo Watch.
00:21:39.000 What was it called?
00:21:40.000 Echo Health Alliance.
00:21:41.000 Right.
00:21:41.000 Echo Health Alliance produced this virus.
00:21:44.000 Well, we don't know.
00:21:45.000 We don't know, but this is the possibility.
00:21:47.000 It needs to be investigated.
00:21:48.000 Yeah.
00:21:49.000 Three people from that lab were sick in November of 2019, and one of their spouses wound up dying.
00:21:55.000 Right, and now people are saying that that's all CIA ops, that the CIA's making or leaking that story because they want to advance the Cold War with China.
00:22:05.000 Does that make any sense?
00:22:07.000 Does the CIA want a Cold War?
00:22:08.000 Does the establishment want a Cold War with China?
00:22:10.000 Yes.
00:22:11.000 But you can't then turn your eye to science.
00:22:15.000 So would this serve their narrative?
00:22:17.000 Yeah.
00:22:18.000 But at the same time, you can't just...
00:22:20.000 I remember the former head of the CDC was on CNN with Dr. Sanjay Gupta, and he said that his theory was it was started in a lab.
00:22:28.000 Yeah.
00:22:28.000 He said, but it doesn't matter what my opinion is.
00:22:31.000 He said, science is going to figure this out.
00:22:33.000 And they went after him.
00:22:34.000 Well, yeah.
00:22:34.000 Which is amazing.
00:22:35.000 Right.
00:22:36.000 It's like he said, it's my opinion.
00:22:38.000 And now Fauci shares that same opinion.
00:22:41.000 Right.
00:22:42.000 But how long does this take for science to figure out?
00:22:46.000 This is why partisans...
00:22:47.000 Censorship is so dangerous.
00:22:49.000 It's one of the reasons why censorship is so dangerous.
00:22:51.000 But it's also why having...
00:22:55.000 These ideas that go against the...
00:22:58.000 If you're objectively looking at the facts, you have to ignore some of them because they don't go along with the party line.
00:23:04.000 Right.
00:23:04.000 That's scary to me.
00:23:06.000 That's scary.
00:23:06.000 That's really scary because then you're getting into self-censorship because people are afraid.
00:23:10.000 People are self-censoring.
00:23:11.000 I'm self-censoring on this show right now.
00:23:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:14.000 I mean, stuff we were talking about out there.
00:23:16.000 You don't know what's going...
00:23:17.000 It's what's going to happen.
00:23:18.000 Right.
00:23:19.000 And right now, I just saw a thing where PayPal is hooking up with the ADL And to suppress people who are doing bad speech.
00:23:28.000 So if they...
00:23:29.000 The ADL. That's the Anti-Defamation League.
00:23:33.000 So PayPal is hooking up with them so that if you...
00:23:35.000 So I just saw this today.
00:23:36.000 So you can't use PayPal if you say something that they don't agree with?
00:23:40.000 Like, what is bad speech?
00:23:41.000 You tell me, but you know how they're doing that.
00:23:43.000 If they don't like what you say...
00:23:44.000 Here it is.
00:23:45.000 What's this?
00:23:45.000 PayPal to research transactions that fund hate groups.
00:23:48.000 But didn't they label Sam Harris as an extremist?
00:23:51.000 So that's the problem.
00:23:52.000 So then once you start letting some jagoffs decide who's an extremist and who isn't, you know, I think it's an extremist.
00:23:58.000 I think Joe Biden is an extremist.
00:24:00.000 Right now, Joe Biden, while he's denying people health care in America and a living wage, is bombing the poorest people in Africa right now, Somalia.
00:24:08.000 Do you know 50% of Somalia are nomads?
00:24:11.000 And we're bombing that goddamn country.
00:24:13.000 What's going on in Somalia?
00:24:13.000 I'm not aware of this at all.
00:24:14.000 You tell me why we're bombing.
00:24:14.000 I don't know.
00:24:15.000 There must be some oil there, maybe batteries, lithium.
00:24:17.000 Who knows?
00:24:17.000 There's something there.
00:24:18.000 I'm not even aware of this.
00:24:19.000 Yeah, he just started bombing us.
00:24:21.000 Is this today?
00:24:21.000 No, last week.
00:24:22.000 I did a story on it already.
00:24:23.000 It's up on my channel.
00:24:24.000 Your fucking show is fantastic, by the way.
00:24:26.000 Oh, please.
00:24:27.000 Please say that again.
00:24:28.000 I love it.
00:24:29.000 That's very sweet.
00:24:30.000 I watch it all the time.
00:24:31.000 You're a true independent.
00:24:33.000 You're really allowed to say your full opinion on your show.
00:24:37.000 And the way you do it, it's very brave.
00:24:40.000 And I love the fact that there's a platform.
00:24:43.000 As much shit as people talk about YouTube, and I don't agree with their censorship at all, But I think part of the problem with YouTube is they're managing its scale, right?
00:24:53.000 There's fucking millions and millions of videos coming in, and who's doing it?
00:24:57.000 It's arbitrary, and it's subjective.
00:25:01.000 You have people working for them that are choosing what gets banned and what doesn't get banned, and then they have to come in and clean up the mess.
00:25:07.000 We've had many of our shows, when we were on YouTube, that were demonetized, but then a lot of them, when we challenged it, someone else looked at it and said, no, these are okay.
00:25:17.000 Yeah, but it's too late.
00:25:18.000 It's too late.
00:25:19.000 So you've already got all your views, and so now you're not going to get any revenue off it.
00:25:23.000 And that's where self-censorship comes in.
00:25:25.000 So whether or not there's like this gigantic plot to make people self-censor, whether this is planned out, I tend to think...
00:25:34.000 It's a little bit of both.
00:25:35.000 I think more than that, it's managing its scale.
00:25:38.000 I don't think YouTube's an evil company.
00:25:40.000 I think they're dealing with fucking insane amounts of volume.
00:25:43.000 I totally understand why they're doing what they're doing.
00:25:47.000 Because the independent news space causes a lot of problems for their revenue model, and they get all this bad press from the establishment press because the independent news space on YouTube is direct competition.
00:26:01.000 To the establishment media.
00:26:02.000 So what happens is they write all these hit pieces about how YouTube independent news people, how they're all radicals and crazy, and they're poisoning your kids' minds and making them radical.
00:26:12.000 And they did articles where they stuck me in with Nazis and pedophiles and the Jimmy Dore show saying the stuff about Syria is false flags.
00:26:20.000 Turns out I was 100% right.
00:26:22.000 That still sits in my Wikipedia page.
00:26:24.000 Does it really?
00:26:25.000 Yes.
00:26:26.000 Wikipedia is a totally controlled...
00:26:28.000 You cannot get the truth, especially if you're anti-war.
00:26:31.000 If you're anti-war, you're fucked on Wikipedia.
00:26:34.000 They put in every smear ever written about me, but I'm not allowed to put the stuff in that exonerate me.
00:26:39.000 Like, it'll say, CNN Business said Jimmy Dore is a conspiracy theorist calling the gas attacks in Syria false flags.
00:26:46.000 Well, it turns out I was proven right by the OPCW whistleblowers and Aaron Maté's great reporting.
00:26:52.000 Can you explain that to people?
00:26:53.000 Because if people are not like really balls deep into politics, they might not understand, especially international politics, this whole Syria false flag thing.
00:27:01.000 So they've been trying to get rid of, they've been trying to overthrow Syria for decades, right?
00:27:05.000 So this is not a new thing.
00:27:06.000 But they're pretending like it all started with the Arab Spring.
00:27:09.000 And it didn't.
00:27:11.000 How it started was the CIA funded a program called Timber Sycamore.
00:27:15.000 Look it up.
00:27:16.000 And what we did was we funded terrorists, right?
00:27:20.000 Al-Nusra, Al-Qaeda.
00:27:22.000 And we funneled a lot of arms from Libya, which we had just turned into a failed state, threw Turkey into Syria.
00:27:28.000 And so we...
00:27:31.000 Created a war, what they call a dirty war in Syria, and because we want to overthrow Assad.
00:27:37.000 And how do you make him out to be, oh, he's gassing his people, he's doing these things.
00:27:41.000 So you got to make him propaganda to get people on board.
00:27:45.000 And they said the first thing that it was a gas attack, right?
00:27:47.000 Remember, they wanted Barack Obama to bomb him in like 2014, 2013. Right.
00:27:51.000 And that was when Barack Obama had a press conference and the public...
00:27:56.000 Said no.
00:27:57.000 Said no.
00:27:58.000 Almost unanimously.
00:27:59.000 Unanimously.
00:27:59.000 People were furious about this.
00:28:01.000 This idea that we're going to go to war with another country.
00:28:04.000 Turns out he fucking did it anyway, right?
00:28:05.000 So he just didn't do it officially.
00:28:06.000 They dropped more bombs.
00:28:08.000 And so many bombs in Syria, they ran out of bombs when Barack Obama was president.
00:28:12.000 The Air Force, that's also a real news story.
00:28:14.000 Look it up.
00:28:15.000 The Air Force runs out of bombs.
00:28:17.000 I think they dropped 26,000 bombs.
00:28:19.000 They know that Barack Obama and Joe Biden dropped more bombs than Dick Cheney and George Bush.
00:28:23.000 Did you know that?
00:28:24.000 What?
00:28:24.000 Yes.
00:28:25.000 See, this is the thing, Joe.
00:28:26.000 This is why I have my show.
00:28:27.000 And this is why it's so easy to out...
00:28:29.000 U.S. is running out of bombs to drop on ISIS. Holy shit.
00:28:33.000 2015. Look at that.
00:28:36.000 They ran out of bombs.
00:28:37.000 The U.S. Air Force has fired off more than 20,000 missiles and bombs since the U.S. bombing campaign.
00:28:41.000 Okay, but if you talk to people that are in the military, the idea that I'm getting from them was that they wanted to get rid of ISIS, that ISIS is bad.
00:28:49.000 So when you read this and you say they're dropping bombs on ISIS, what's the actual story?
00:28:54.000 So they're doing both.
00:28:55.000 They're fighting ISIS and funding the same people, right?
00:29:06.000 Behind the sudden death of a $1 billion secret CIA war in Syria.
00:29:10.000 What is this, Jamie?
00:29:11.000 That's 2017. It's explaining everything he was talking about two minutes ago.
00:29:16.000 Wow.
00:29:17.000 So the bombing helped hollow out rebel army backed by the CIA. So they're trying to overthrow...
00:29:26.000 And by the way, I show on my show from 2006, an interview with Christine Aminpour.
00:29:31.000 What?
00:29:32.000 Christine Aminpour.
00:29:33.000 I like to say Christine Aminpour.
00:29:34.000 Why do you say it like that?
00:29:35.000 I like to say words funny.
00:29:37.000 I used to say Barack Obama, and then Jon Stewart said it, so I had to stop.
00:29:42.000 So I like saying names funny anyway.
00:29:44.000 You know, it makes me laugh down to my stomach.
00:29:46.000 Okay.
00:29:47.000 And like that, I don't know why that makes me laugh.
00:29:49.000 You're a comic.
00:29:52.000 So they've been trying to overthrow Assad, and there's a lot of different reasons why they want to do it.
00:29:57.000 Israel, of course, has influence and interest because Assad and Iran are...
00:30:01.000 But this is not in any way, shape, or form saying Assad's a good guy.
00:30:04.000 No.
00:30:06.000 Name a head of a country that is.
00:30:09.000 You know, the United States is running a torture program right now in Guantanamo Bay as we're trying to put sanctions on Cuba.
00:30:15.000 So they're putting sanctions on Cuba because they don't take care of their people enough.
00:30:18.000 We care about the Cuban people.
00:30:21.000 And I'm like, they talk about sanctions, which are murderous, right?
00:30:24.000 People can't get their diabetes medicine, they can't get heart operations because we have these sanctions on them.
00:30:31.000 And people talk about sanctions on Cuba like it's a kitchen remodel.
00:30:34.000 It's like, yeah, just get a little white vinegar on that populace, rub it out.
00:30:38.000 Unfucking believable.
00:30:40.000 So yeah, so Assad is not a good guy.
00:30:43.000 Joe Biden, not a good, horrible guy.
00:30:46.000 Running a torture program.
00:30:47.000 The United States is the biggest penal colony in America.
00:30:49.000 We imprison black and brown people at unbelievable rates.
00:30:52.000 We are the terrorists in the rest of the world.
00:30:55.000 We turned Libya into a failed state.
00:30:57.000 We are just ramping up bombings in Afghanistan.
00:30:59.000 Today is the headline in USA Today.
00:31:01.000 We did Iraq.
00:31:03.000 I want to hear all this, but I don't want to go too far off of Syria.
00:31:07.000 So getting back to Syria is they had all these terrorists, literal terrorists funded by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, those kind of types of people and the CIA trying to overthrow Assad.
00:31:19.000 Now Assad beat them.
00:31:20.000 And so the reason why they would stage these But when you say staged fake gas attacks, what exactly was done?
00:31:36.000 And how do we know what was done?
00:31:38.000 So we know what was done because of the OPCW whistleblower.
00:31:41.000 What does that stand for?
00:31:44.000 For the Prevention of Chemical Weapons, right?
00:31:47.000 So the Organization for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons, I'm pretty sure that's what that stands for.
00:31:52.000 Or for the prohibition of chemical weapons, OPCW, right?
00:31:56.000 So that's the official organization that goes in.
00:31:58.000 And they're supposed to be independent.
00:31:59.000 And it turns out they've been being influenced by NATO and Western government powers.
00:32:03.000 And we found this out because of the OPCW. So they went in, they go in to do the admissional investigation to see where the gas attack, whether it's real, who did it, all this stuff.
00:32:12.000 So the engineering report Got suppressed.
00:32:17.000 The engineering report said this didn't happen.
00:32:19.000 It said this cylinder was placed there.
00:32:22.000 It wasn't dropped from the sky.
00:32:23.000 It didn't happen.
00:32:24.000 They suppressed those reports.
00:32:26.000 So anything that was in the initial OPCW report that debunked the gas attack narrative got suppressed.
00:32:34.000 And so then these whistleblowers came out, and this guy Aaron Maté, who's a great journalist, works at the Gray Zone, he highlighted this, and he's testified in front of the UN about this, and he's caught all these people at the OPCW lying and suppressing stuff, and nobody in the American mainstream press will cover this.
00:32:52.000 Nobody's writing their article on Syria.
00:32:54.000 Aramate's written at least 10 articles detailing what happened in Syria.
00:32:58.000 No one's written an article to debunk one thing he's written.
00:33:00.000 Not anybody.
00:33:01.000 So what this is, is we're trying to overthrow another goddamn government in the Middle East, just like we did in Iraq, just like we did in Libya, and now we're trying to do it in Syria.
00:33:09.000 I don't know if you remember General Wesley Clark.
00:33:12.000 Yes.
00:33:13.000 Was on Democracy Now.
00:33:14.000 I don't know if you've ever seen this video.
00:33:15.000 Yeah, I've seen it.
00:33:15.000 It's amazing.
00:33:16.000 So he said after 9-11, he went into the Pentagon and his buddy called him in and he goes, hey, look, what are we doing?
00:33:20.000 We're going to war in Iraq.
00:33:21.000 And he's like, why are we going to war in Iraq?
00:33:23.000 And he said, I don't know.
00:33:24.000 But we got a big military and we can take out governments.
00:33:27.000 We should play this.
00:33:28.000 I've played it before, but we should play it so that this is a standalone podcast so people can listen to this and listen to...
00:33:35.000 General Wesley Clark say...
00:33:36.000 A hugely respected general say how he was told that there's this plan to do these things.
00:33:42.000 There's a plan to go into all these countries that we're currently going into.
00:33:45.000 And this was...
00:33:46.000 When did he do this?
00:33:47.000 In 2007?
00:33:48.000 Something like that on Democracy Now.
00:33:49.000 Yeah.
00:33:50.000 Yeah, so you can insert that or...
00:33:52.000 Yeah, we'll play it.
00:33:53.000 We'll play it just so we can refresh.
00:33:57.000 And Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz, I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in.
00:34:05.000 He said, sir, you gotta come in and talk to me a second.
00:34:08.000 I said, well, you're too busy.
00:34:09.000 He said, no, no.
00:34:10.000 He says, we've made the decision.
00:34:13.000 We're going to war with Iraq.
00:34:15.000 This was on or about the 20th of September.
00:34:18.000 I said, we're going to war with Iraq.
00:34:20.000 Why?
00:34:22.000 He said, I don't know.
00:34:25.000 He said, I guess they don't know what else to do.
00:34:29.000 So I said, well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?
00:34:34.000 He said, no, no.
00:34:35.000 He says, there's nothing new that way.
00:34:37.000 They've just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.
00:34:40.000 He said, I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take down governments.
00:34:48.000 And he said, I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.
00:34:55.000 So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan.
00:35:00.000 I said, are we still going to war with Iraq?
00:35:02.000 And he said, oh, it's worse than that.
00:35:04.000 He said, he reached over on his desk, he picked up a piece of paper, he said, I just, he said, I just got this down from upstairs, meeting the Secretary of Defense's office today, and he said, this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and then Syria,
00:35:20.000 Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.
00:35:25.000 So there it is.
00:35:26.000 We're bombing Somalia.
00:35:27.000 We're bombing Libya.
00:35:28.000 We're bombing Syria.
00:35:29.000 The truth is...
00:35:30.000 So you were talking about this whole gas attack thing.
00:35:36.000 Is there any ambiguity?
00:35:38.000 Is there any confusion?
00:35:40.000 Is there any, like, we're not sure about this, we're not sure about that?
00:35:44.000 So no, in my head there isn't, because even at the time, Joe, when these gas attacks happened, they happened when Assad was winning the war against the terrorists.
00:35:56.000 He was winning, and so then they do this gas attack to try to get the Americans and give them a reason to join in.
00:36:02.000 So why would Assad, it doesn't make any sense, why would he do the one thing that he knows would bring the United States into this war and they could beat him?
00:36:10.000 So why would he do that?
00:36:11.000 And by the way, the gas attack, what did it kill?
00:36:13.000 50 people?
00:36:14.000 100 people?
00:36:14.000 It's not like these are effective weapons.
00:36:15.000 It just makes no sense that they would do it.
00:36:18.000 None of it made sense.
00:36:19.000 And the idea was that he used it on his own people because they were rebelling against him?
00:36:23.000 Yeah, that's the idea.
00:36:25.000 But this was debunked by Robert Fisk originally.
00:36:28.000 So I was aware of Robert Fisk's reporting, who passed away recently.
00:36:31.000 But he was one of the most decorated war correspondents in all of Europe.
00:36:35.000 And he went there, and he interviewed the doctors, and he's like, yeah, this didn't happen.
00:36:40.000 This doesn't match up.
00:36:42.000 And nobody else reported that.
00:36:44.000 Joe, why won't people report this stuff in the United States?
00:36:47.000 You tell me why the Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN, or The Intercept, they won't do a goddamn article on this.
00:36:54.000 They won't do an article on Syria.
00:36:56.000 In fact, The Intercept did a big thing on Joe Biden's warmongering, and they stopped right at where it came to Syria.
00:37:01.000 They didn't keep going, which was very cowardly and very revealing.
00:37:05.000 Right?
00:37:05.000 And so, you know, Intercept's another very pro-censorship organization.
00:37:10.000 Greg Lingwald had to leave that organization because they were censoring him, the guy who founded it.
00:37:14.000 You know that, right?
00:37:15.000 Yeah, I do know that.
00:37:15.000 It's very disturbing, right?
00:37:17.000 All of this is disturbing because as a person who's on the outside, you don't know...
00:37:21.000 Especially me.
00:37:22.000 I'm really on the outside.
00:37:23.000 At least you're a political guy.
00:37:24.000 I just have to rely on people like you and Kyle Kalinsky and Crystal and Sagar.
00:37:30.000 I need people to explain things to me that are independent.
00:37:34.000 I mean, this is why people like you are so important to me.
00:37:37.000 Because I can get real information that's not been filtered down through the powers that be.
00:37:43.000 I mean, it's exactly what...
00:37:46.000 Eisenhower said that we must resist the undue influence of the military-industrial complex, and guess what?
00:37:51.000 We're not.
00:37:52.000 We're not resisting it.
00:37:53.000 They think that they're doing enough good and resisting enough that they let a few things slide because this is how they stay in operation?
00:38:02.000 What do you think the motivation is behind it?
00:38:03.000 Because I'm sure the people from The Intercept...
00:38:06.000 I'm sure that people from a lot of these organizations, they think of themselves as being on the right side, right?
00:38:11.000 They think of themselves being on the right side of history.
00:38:14.000 When you're talking about the Washington Post or the New York Times, most of the people working there, maybe I'm delusional.
00:38:23.000 I think they're good people, and I think they think that they're progressive and that they're doing the right thing.
00:38:28.000 So what happens?
00:38:30.000 I think Jeff Bezos hires the most progressive people.
00:38:34.000 Dr. Evil is running a newspaper that, by the way, he had a contract with the CIA, which was worth like two or three times what he fucking paid for the paper.
00:38:44.000 So you're not getting the truth from that.
00:38:46.000 Every time.
00:38:46.000 Do you think he actively is involved in the Washington Post stories?
00:38:50.000 But if you read Manufacturing Consent, right?
00:38:52.000 Yeah, I've read it.
00:38:53.000 So you see how that's...
00:38:56.000 How censorship happens, right?
00:38:58.000 So it happens by who funds it, right?
00:39:01.000 It happens by then who they hire.
00:39:03.000 Like, I was on a panel one time in San Francisco, and it was being hosted by this Emmy Award-winning news guy from NBC, and I was talking about how bad the establishment news is, and how they all have groupthink, and they all go, and he goes, Jimmy, you know, when We're in editorial meetings.
00:39:19.000 We don't all talk like that.
00:39:20.000 I don't think you know what we talk about when we're in editorial meetings.
00:39:22.000 And I go, you know, I don't because I'll never be invited into one of those editorial meetings because I've been coloring outside the lines my whole life.
00:39:29.000 Whereas you have been groomed to be in that editorial meeting since you're in fucking kindergarten and you don't even know it.
00:39:35.000 How important is a guy like Chomsky when you think about manufacturing consent and you think about what he exposed?
00:39:42.000 Like when was that book written?
00:39:44.000 I don't know.
00:39:45.000 Was it in the late 80s, I think?
00:39:46.000 I think it was somewhere around then.
00:39:48.000 But that guy...
00:39:50.000 And that was before the consolidation of media.
00:39:52.000 So that was when there were still 50 giant media companies.
00:39:54.000 And now there's only five or six, thanks to Bill Clinton.
00:39:58.000 No friend of the working man.
00:40:00.000 Bill Clinton did the Telecommunications Act in 1996, which took us from 50 giant media companies and took us down to six, right?
00:40:07.000 And the answer was, oh, we can do that because the Internet exists now.
00:40:11.000 So the Internet, that's going to open up everything.
00:40:13.000 We're going to have lots of different voices, except we don't because now we have censorship.
00:40:17.000 And where is the censorship coming from?
00:40:19.000 The authoritarian left.
00:40:20.000 They would rather shut people up.
00:40:22.000 It's so weird, Joe, because I'm a natural, you know, anti-establishment guy.
00:40:25.000 I'm a frickin' comedian, right?
00:40:27.000 I'm an outsider.
00:40:28.000 Whatever the thing is, I want to go against it.
00:40:30.000 I'm a contrarian.
00:40:31.000 So whatever the fucking thing is, and now you can't do that on social media, and people on the left cheer it on!
00:40:36.000 They cheer on, well, we gotta get rid of that bad information.
00:40:38.000 It's like they cheered on with Alex Jones, and how stupid!
00:40:41.000 It's like, you guys don't know, they start with the guy who's easiest to censor first, and then it's gonna come down to you.
00:40:47.000 And exactly what happened.
00:40:48.000 I mean, I remember watching Jacobin, right?
00:40:52.000 I used to have these arguments at the Young Turks.
00:40:55.000 They were for censorship, still are.
00:40:57.000 They're very pro-censorship.
00:40:58.000 And so I remember Anna Kasperian, who was the co-host of that, she had one of her videos at Jacobin Magazine that got Facebook censored.
00:41:05.000 And they were making a big deal out of it, like, yeah, stop advocating for censorship and you won't be censored.
00:41:11.000 And she's like, well, I was, she goes, when have I ever been for censorship?
00:41:14.000 Like when you censored, we were for censoring Alex Jones.
00:41:16.000 She goes, yeah, besides that.
00:41:17.000 What do you mean besides that?
00:41:19.000 That's how it starts.
00:41:20.000 Free speech is an absolute.
00:41:22.000 If Alex Jones was doing something illegal, there's a government body, there's a law enforcement agency that's supposed to take care of that.
00:41:27.000 And if he's not doing something illegal, then he deserves a printing press, because that's what Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube is.
00:41:32.000 It's a printing press.
00:41:33.000 And it's like, you can't take away someone's printing press because you don't agree with what they're saying.
00:41:38.000 They have to break a law.
00:41:39.000 And you have to go to court.
00:41:40.000 And that's how it should be.
00:41:41.000 And all these goddamn social media platforms should be considered utilities.
00:41:46.000 You know that and I know that.
00:41:47.000 I agree 100% on that.
00:41:48.000 Like, for instance, 20 years ago or 30 years ago, you couldn't start a business, Joe, without a telephone.
00:41:53.000 How could you compete?
00:41:54.000 If AT&T took away your telephone because they didn't like the shit you were saying on your telephone, you couldn't run a business, right?
00:42:00.000 That was unfair.
00:42:01.000 But today, you can't run a business without a Facebook page or a Twitter account or a YouTube.
00:42:06.000 And they can censure you over that.
00:42:08.000 They can take that away from your business.
00:42:09.000 And that's not right.
00:42:10.000 Which brings me to something that's really disturbing.
00:42:12.000 The recent decisions to try to censor SMS messages.
00:42:18.000 So that's standard text messages that may include erroneous information or misinformation.
00:42:26.000 This is something that they talked about.
00:42:29.000 That's not chilling?
00:42:30.000 Is that not chilling?
00:42:31.000 It's terrifying because here's what people need to understand.
00:42:34.000 If you think that this misinformation could possibly cost lives and that you want to censor it because you want to preserve life and you want to preserve the truth, the problem is now they have a tool to decide what you say or don't say through private communication,
00:42:50.000 which is what a text message is.
00:42:52.000 And the way they're doing this is by saying someone can send out a mass text to a bunch of people and in that there could be misinformation and they want to be able to stop that from happening.
00:43:03.000 That's what every dictator says.
00:43:04.000 Right.
00:43:05.000 But if it's a mass text, how do you stop single text?
00:43:07.000 Well, you use the same tools.
00:43:09.000 And once those tools become available for this, don't think they're going to put it away once this problem is over.
00:43:15.000 They're not.
00:43:16.000 No!
00:43:16.000 They're going to make sure the problem is never over.
00:43:18.000 That's right.
00:43:19.000 Which is what you're talking about with the CIA bombing in Syria, where they're playing on both sides.
00:43:23.000 Yes.
00:43:24.000 They will do that with everything.
00:43:25.000 You've seen this thing recently with Governor Whitmer.
00:43:28.000 Yeah, that was the FBI. The 12 different informants were involved in this.
00:43:34.000 Six defendants, 12 informants.
00:43:35.000 Have you seen that meme, Jamie?
00:43:38.000 The fucking Spider-Man meme?
00:43:40.000 Here, I sent it to you.
00:43:42.000 Put it up, because it's one of my favorite memes ever.
00:43:45.000 It's hilarious.
00:43:47.000 There's a meme of all these Spider-Men, like, that they're all feds, and they're all pointing at each other, and it says one poor autistic guy is standing there, like, not knowing, because he's the guy they've talked into.
00:43:58.000 Look at this.
00:43:59.000 Some autistic fuck.
00:44:01.000 Look at this.
00:44:01.000 Fed, another fed, fed, fed, fed.
00:44:03.000 And, I mean, this is what that...
00:44:06.000 That whole plot to kidnap the governor was not just a bunch of feds.
00:44:14.000 It was designed by them.
00:44:16.000 Yes.
00:44:16.000 They concocted it.
00:44:18.000 Concocted.
00:44:18.000 They put it together.
00:44:19.000 They organized it.
00:44:21.000 And then they got these saps, these poor fucks, to go along with it.
00:44:25.000 Much like the story of the 19-year-old kid, they gave him a fake bomb, they talked him in, they radicalized him, gave him a fake bomb, and talked this kid into using a cell phone to detonate the bomb that didn't work in the first place, and then once he did that, they swooped up and arrested him and said, we caught a terrorist.
00:44:40.000 But you made him!
00:44:41.000 We've covered this.
00:44:42.000 They've been doing this for a long time.
00:44:44.000 Right, of course.
00:44:45.000 Since 9-11, they've been doing this at least, right?
00:44:47.000 Probably before that, if you go back to Operation Northwoods, it seems like they've been doing that since the 60s, right?
00:44:52.000 Operation Northwoods.
00:44:52.000 Yeah.
00:44:53.000 People don't know that the CIA had drawn up plans, this is true, to blow up shit in Miami.
00:44:59.000 Blow up a drone jetliner.
00:45:01.000 Blow up a jetliner.
00:45:02.000 They were going to pull up a jet with no one in it.
00:45:04.000 They were going to pretend there was people in it and say, well, in the 60s you could just say a bunch of people died and there was no real way of knowing.
00:45:09.000 They were going to arm Cuban friendlies and use them to attack Guantanamo Bay.
00:45:13.000 And this was all to motivate people to go to war with Cuba.
00:45:18.000 Yeah.
00:45:18.000 And why did they want to go to war with Cuba?
00:45:21.000 Well, because you can't have a successful socialist country 90 miles away from the United States.
00:45:27.000 You can't have a successful socialist country in Central America, South America, and that's why we've done everything we've done.
00:45:33.000 You can't have it, and that's why we have to make it.
00:45:37.000 You know, in Venezuela, for instance, turns out Venezuela has more oil than Saudi Arabia.
00:45:44.000 Did you know that?
00:45:45.000 What?
00:45:45.000 Yeah, Venezuela has more oil than Saudi Arabia.
00:45:48.000 When I found that out, I knew it was just a matter of time before we were going to bring some democracy to their people.
00:45:53.000 And that's what we're doing.
00:45:54.000 We're going to try and read that Juan Guaido, the whole thing.
00:45:56.000 And so, again, is Maduro...
00:46:11.000 I think?
00:46:19.000 It's a rapacious oligarchy.
00:46:21.000 Why do you think when COVID happened, the first thing they did, the first thing they did was they engineered an upward transfer of wealth of $5 trillion.
00:46:27.000 The largest upward transfer of wealth in human history.
00:46:31.000 That's how they fixed COVID. They didn't fix COVID. They just looted the treasury and gave it to the richest thousand motherfuckers in the country.
00:46:39.000 But they did it under the guise of keeping the economy rolling.
00:46:43.000 And it seemed like a good idea at the time.
00:46:45.000 It seemed like a good idea because the media wanted to present it as a good idea.
00:46:51.000 It wasn't a good idea.
00:46:52.000 I knew it wasn't a good idea.
00:46:53.000 Do you think the media was aware that it wasn't a good idea?
00:46:56.000 I think the media is such airheads.
00:46:58.000 It's groupthink.
00:46:59.000 I mean, if you've ever heard mentality, it's the United States establishment news media.
00:47:04.000 Not a fucking original thinker in any of them, which is why I can outdo them on a daily basis.
00:47:09.000 But the reason why you can is because you're independent.
00:47:12.000 Because there's no one telling you what to say or not to say.
00:47:15.000 And I'm not self-censoring because I know my boss is watching me and I know what stories will get approved and what won't get approved.
00:47:21.000 I just get to talk about whatever I want to talk about, which is why I'm able to outdo them, which is why I'm able to do better reporting on Syria than The Intercept and The Washington Post.
00:47:29.000 I'm able to do better news information segments on Syria or on Venezuela.
00:47:35.000 Because you don't have a gatekeeper.
00:47:36.000 Because I don't have a gatekeeper.
00:47:37.000 Or Libya.
00:47:38.000 A big part of my show is taking the news media's coverage of this stuff like Libya, Syria, Venezuela, and debunking it in real time.
00:47:45.000 But you are doing that.
00:47:46.000 Doesn't that give you hope that you can do that?
00:47:48.000 Because it gives me hope.
00:47:49.000 Because there's people like you and Kyle and Crystal and Sagar and all these people are out there that are doing this kind of work, it does give me hope.
00:47:57.000 It really does.
00:47:58.000 Because I think even though there's a lot of suppression because there's a lot of influence from the establishment media, like one of the things that we know for sure, and Kyle's talked about this a lot, is that they're taking what used to be you would get recommended.
00:48:12.000 So if I watched one of your videos, there would be more of your videos that would be recommended, but that doesn't happen anymore.
00:48:17.000 No.
00:48:19.000 Talk shows.
00:48:20.000 Everyone wants to say that censorship is on the right.
00:48:22.000 They're censoring the right.
00:48:24.000 They're censoring the left, too.
00:48:25.000 They're censoring everybody.
00:48:26.000 They're censoring everybody who's not established media because established corporate media has enormous amounts of money behind them.
00:48:33.000 That's right.
00:48:34.000 And corporations behind them that are advertising on them.
00:48:37.000 That's right.
00:48:37.000 Yeah.
00:48:38.000 And so they don't, again, the establishment, people would go to YouTube to see YouTubers, people tubing by themselves.
00:48:46.000 Now, when you go to YouTube for the news, they want to push you to corporate media because it's safer for their bottom line.
00:48:52.000 And I get it.
00:48:53.000 It's just basically bottom line.
00:48:54.000 I get why they're doing that.
00:48:56.000 And I don't think that's some nefarious conspiracy.
00:48:58.000 It's very black and white why YouTube is censoring.
00:49:01.000 And I get why they're doing that.
00:49:02.000 But we have to push back, and that's why I think it should be a utility I agree it should be a utility.
00:49:07.000 And I don't understand when people get upset at things being popular.
00:49:11.000 Like there was a recent article on NPR about Ben Shapiro.
00:49:15.000 And it was talking about how many views Ben Shapiro gets and his Facebook page gets more interaction than anything else and he's pushing hate.
00:49:22.000 No, he's pushing his perspective and his opinion.
00:49:25.000 Ben Shapiro's not a hateful guy.
00:49:27.000 Have you met him?
00:49:28.000 No, I haven't.
00:49:28.000 He's a wonderful guy.
00:49:29.000 I really enjoy him.
00:49:30.000 I like him a lot.
00:49:31.000 I don't agree with him on a lot of things.
00:49:33.000 I don't agree with him on many, many things.
00:49:35.000 And I've had disagreements with him on the podcast, particularly stuff like he's very religious, right?
00:49:40.000 So he's very against gay marriage.
00:49:41.000 He's very against gay relationships.
00:49:43.000 And I think that's preposterous.
00:49:45.000 I don't think that makes any sense.
00:49:46.000 And we've had disagreements on that and a lot of other things like the...
00:49:51.000 So but that's Kaepernick thing and there's many things that he and I have had disagreements about but he's not a bad person He just has Ideas that I don't agree with and this is the problem It's like what you're supposed to do when someone has an idea that you don't agree with you're supposed to talk to them and you say what you think and they say what they think and hopefully if it's an Some sort of a subject that I'm informed on.
00:50:15.000 I can offer a perspective that's contrary to his and it'll make sense.
00:50:19.000 And then people listening go, oh, I agree with Ben.
00:50:22.000 Oh, no, I think Joe's right.
00:50:24.000 I think...
00:50:24.000 And you figure out for yourself!
00:50:26.000 That's what's supposed to be being a person, being a human being.
00:50:29.000 This idea that there's one arbiter of truth, there's one absolute arbiter of truth, and it has to be this, whoever is the establishment media.
00:50:37.000 And when it's something like NPR, it's even more weird, because NPR is funded by people, right?
00:50:44.000 Well, it's funded also by Archer Daniels Midland and Walmart and Bank of America.
00:50:49.000 They're no longer public radio.
00:50:51.000 That's the problem.
00:50:52.000 That's the problem.
00:50:52.000 It's national public radio.
00:50:54.000 It sounds like it should be public.
00:50:56.000 It should be public.
00:50:57.000 But it's not.
00:50:58.000 But it should be.
00:50:59.000 It should be.
00:51:00.000 Or you gotta change your fucking name.
00:51:01.000 I know.
00:51:02.000 Right?
00:51:02.000 So I used to, when I used to have a show on KPFK in Los Angeles, the public, that's the real lefty station.
00:51:07.000 Right.
00:51:08.000 And I would come in to do fundraisers and I would say, you know, how many commercials for a bank do you get to run and still call yourself a public radio station?
00:51:15.000 And I was taking a shot at KCRW and KPCC. So, turns out there's an unlimited.
00:51:22.000 I mean, every time I turn on NPR, they're running a Bank of America commercial or something like that.
00:51:26.000 Yeah.
00:51:27.000 Or the fine people at Raytheon.
00:51:31.000 And so...
00:51:34.000 The censorship's not stopping, Joe.
00:51:36.000 In fact, what's happening is that the left is embracing it, and that's what's scary.
00:51:41.000 There's nobody to push back against it.
00:51:42.000 And when I come into this space, this journalism space, and I can do it better than them, they want me censored.
00:51:47.000 That's why they write those hit pieces.
00:51:51.000 You know, Neera Tanden, who Bernie Sanders...
00:51:55.000 She used to run the Center for American Progress, which is this big, well-moneyed think tank started by Hillary Clinton's former campaign director.
00:52:01.000 So it's all big.
00:52:02.000 And then Joe Biden tried to put her in his cabinet, right?
00:52:06.000 Right.
00:52:06.000 And so there was a big ruckus over that.
00:52:09.000 And she's been on Twitter saying that, you know, I've been...
00:52:13.000 She came at me on Twitter trying to...
00:52:17.000 Conflate me with that Steven Crowder, that Jimmy does these hateful videos.
00:52:22.000 This is so funny.
00:52:23.000 She owned herself in her tweet.
00:52:24.000 She goes, Jimmy Dore has done many hateful videos about me.
00:52:28.000 I don't watch them, but they can be horrible.
00:52:31.000 I'm like, well, how do you know they're horrible if you don't watch them?
00:52:34.000 Yes.
00:52:36.000 Yes.
00:52:56.000 The powerful people, I stick out like a sore thumb because I'm not co-opted by the Washington Post or New York Times or The Intercept or MSNBC. I can speak my truth.
00:53:05.000 Why do you think she's saying that?
00:53:06.000 Do you think someone's telling her to say that?
00:53:08.000 No, she wants to get rid of me.
00:53:10.000 She does.
00:53:10.000 Yeah, because I exposed that she was for stealing the oil in Libya.
00:53:14.000 Neera Tanden, these again...
00:53:16.000 No, no, no.
00:53:16.000 Jen Psaki.
00:53:17.000 Oh, Jen Psaki.
00:53:17.000 What about her?
00:53:17.000 When she said that, if you're banned from one media platform, you should be banned from all of them.
00:53:22.000 Why do you think she's saying that?
00:53:24.000 Because they want to control the narrative.
00:53:25.000 Do you think someone's saying, hey, this is what we want to push, that if you are banned from one social media platform...
00:53:33.000 It would seem to me that she didn't make that up on the fly, that that was a policy that they've been thinking about.
00:53:38.000 And so Chris Hedges talked about it on my show that the establishment is just going to be using more crude and more cruder forms of control, like censorship.
00:53:47.000 They're just doing it flat out now.
00:53:49.000 And so that's all they have left, and they can't control people like you or can't control people like me.
00:53:54.000 And so what are they gonna do?
00:53:55.000 Censor us.
00:53:56.000 That's all they have left.
00:53:57.000 Right.
00:53:58.000 Now, when we're talking about NPR, I don't, in all fairness, and I really want to be fair as much as possible, I don't think NPR was calling for the censorship of Ben Shapiro, were they?
00:54:09.000 They were just saying...
00:54:11.000 They're lamenting the fact that someone else is more popular than they are.
00:54:15.000 Yeah.
00:54:15.000 Well, CNN's done that as well.
00:54:16.000 Of course.
00:54:17.000 CNN's done that about many, many shows.
00:54:18.000 And people don't see through that.
00:54:20.000 I mean, there was a guy on CNN lamenting that there are some YouTube shows that get bigger audiences than a CNN show.
00:54:26.000 Yeah!
00:54:26.000 You know why?
00:54:27.000 Because you guys suck!
00:54:28.000 Well, the problem with those shows is that these people have been chosen for their spot.
00:54:34.000 They get on there with a suit and a tie, and they say what's in front of them on the teleprompter, and I don't know how much editorial control they have over it, but at the end of the day, they're not there because they're popular.
00:54:46.000 You are on your show because you've developed an audience over the years that people enjoy what you're doing or they like it.
00:54:53.000 It resonates with them.
00:54:55.000 They've tuned in.
00:54:56.000 They've subscribed.
00:54:57.000 They go and seek you out on a regular basis.
00:54:59.000 They're not doing that with CNN. It's just on.
00:55:02.000 It's on.
00:55:03.000 So when Brian Stelter's talking, it's because he's on.
00:55:05.000 And so you're watching.
00:55:06.000 But when he's not on, when someone else is in his place, the ratings go up, which is crazy.
00:55:11.000 When you got your own show and then you're not there and the ratings are better when you're not there.
00:55:16.000 But see, this is the thing about when you are chosen to be on a slot in corporate news.
00:55:22.000 Yeah.
00:55:22.000 Like, it's a weird thing that shouldn't...
00:55:26.000 Look, it exists.
00:55:27.000 Whatever it is, it exists.
00:55:29.000 But the way independent shows have gathered up a following strictly by the merit of their content is a different thing.
00:55:37.000 And this is a thing that I think people find they have a connection with you.
00:55:42.000 They know that if you're talking, you in particular, Jimmy, they know that if you're talking, this is what Jimmy Dore thinks about things.
00:55:48.000 There's no one whispering in your ear.
00:55:51.000 There's no one coming down on you and saying, hey, Jimmy, I don't like the way you were talking about Raytheon.
00:55:56.000 Raytheon is a proud sponsor of the Fuck You Network, and we're not really interested in airing that segment.
00:56:05.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:56:06.000 Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying.
00:56:07.000 But this is what people need to get this in their head.
00:56:12.000 You want to know what someone's opinion is.
00:56:14.000 You really do.
00:56:15.000 We all do.
00:56:15.000 Because I'm not sure what mine are on things.
00:56:17.000 I need to hear from educated people.
00:56:19.000 I need to hear from informed people that are speaking truthfully about this is what I've learned.
00:56:24.000 This is my perspective.
00:56:26.000 This is what I think.
00:56:27.000 Based on the facts at hand, and I'm going to show you what those facts are, this is my perspective on these things.
00:56:33.000 When you do that, people go, I see how you came to that conclusion.
00:56:39.000 But when you're on a network, whether it's Fox News or whatever, and you're speaking and people know that you are reading off of a teleprompter, you have a team of writers, All the words are approved.
00:56:53.000 You have a narrative that you're pushing and this narrative is essentially guided by the network.
00:56:59.000 The people don't resonate with that.
00:57:01.000 It doesn't stick.
00:57:02.000 It doesn't work.
00:57:03.000 It's a version of what we're talking about with late night television.
00:57:07.000 It's a version of it.
00:57:08.000 It's the same kind of thing.
00:57:10.000 It doesn't resonate.
00:57:11.000 So all you have is, I think, in the space that I'm in as a YouTuber, and I think you too, Joe, is your authenticity.
00:57:19.000 If people can trust you, if they think that, right or wrong, if they agree with you or disagree with you, they know you're being sincere.
00:57:25.000 And if you're wrong about something, it's also your job to correct it.
00:57:29.000 Right.
00:57:29.000 Say, well, I fucked that up.
00:57:31.000 Right.
00:57:31.000 I didn't know, or here's what I know now, and don't be married to your ideas.
00:57:35.000 This is what I think.
00:57:37.000 Right.
00:57:38.000 And once you blow that, I have a broad appeal, both left and the right.
00:57:46.000 I have a lot of people who watch my show on their right say, I disagree with Jimmy on most things, but I appreciate that he's telling the truth.
00:57:53.000 And they like that.
00:57:54.000 They like that I'm going to tell the truth.
00:57:55.000 And I've had lots of people say that I've changed their mind.
00:57:58.000 They go, I've started watching Jimmy, and since then I've changed on single payer, but I still disagree with him on cops and this and that, blah, blah, blah.
00:58:05.000 And that used to be the gold standard for a lefty.
00:58:07.000 You know, when I go on Tucker Carlson, I take heat for it every time I do.
00:58:12.000 But Tucker Carlson admitted, last time I was on his show, we were talking about Julian Assange, and he said, you know, it was through the force of your argument that you changed my mind on Julian Assange.
00:58:22.000 Now, that should be considered a huge victory for the progressive left, right?
00:58:27.000 Because you got the guy who's got the number one news show speaking to half the country, and I changed his mind on an issue.
00:58:32.000 That's what we're supposed to do.
00:58:34.000 We're supposed to use speech, talk to each other, so we can change people's hearts and minds.
00:58:39.000 And that's what you're supposed to do.
00:58:40.000 So when you see somebody who's a right winger, I had a union guy on my show, and I go, what's your message for these guys?
00:58:45.000 They go, I don't have a message.
00:58:46.000 I go, well, that's not how organizing works, fuckface.
00:58:49.000 That's not how it works.
00:58:51.000 I've been in unions my whole life.
00:58:52.000 You don't go to the shop floor and go, who's here a proud boy?
00:58:55.000 You're out.
00:58:55.000 Who here's a boogaloo boy?
00:58:56.000 You're out.
00:58:57.000 Who's a libertarian?
00:58:58.000 You're out.
00:58:58.000 Who's a gun nut?
00:58:59.000 You're out.
00:59:00.000 Who's a trumper?
00:59:01.000 You're out.
00:59:01.000 Okay, who's left?
00:59:02.000 We're going to organize against the man.
00:59:03.000 That's not how fucking organizing works.
00:59:05.000 And when people say, which they love to say, and they don't know what they're saying, they go, oh, we have to organize along class lines.
00:59:11.000 Oh, really?
00:59:12.000 You really mean that?
00:59:14.000 Because they don't fucking mean that.
00:59:15.000 What does it mean when they say organize along class?
00:59:17.000 Not just the working class on half the country.
00:59:21.000 When you say organize along working class lines, that means everybody.
00:59:25.000 That means Trumpers.
00:59:26.000 And when I'm out there pushing for Medicare for all, that's Medicare for all.
00:59:30.000 Right.
00:59:30.000 That's Medicare for right-wingers, Trumpers, libertarians, and people on the left.
00:59:35.000 That's everybody.
00:59:37.000 And guess who wants?
00:59:38.000 Everybody wants to end the wars.
00:59:40.000 We can come together on those things.
00:59:41.000 We can come together on single-payer health care.
00:59:43.000 We can come together on police brutality.
00:59:45.000 We can come together on pot legalization and all kinds of shit we can come together on.
00:59:50.000 $15 minimum wage people agree on.
00:59:53.000 All the shit that we agree on that the establishment doesn't, and they don't want us talking to each other.
00:59:57.000 I had a boogaloo boy on my show.
00:59:59.000 I just interviewed him.
01:00:00.000 I remember that.
01:00:02.000 All I did was, and I started off the interview by saying, I don't know anything about the Boogaloo Boys.
01:00:06.000 I am not endorsing a Boogaloo Boy.
01:00:09.000 I don't know anything about it.
01:00:10.000 But I saw this guy give a speech at the state capitol in Michigan, and I want to have him on to pick his brain.
01:00:15.000 And so I brought him on, and I interviewed him.
01:00:17.000 And it turned out that certain factions of the Boogaloo Boys that he belongs to, they were started because they were a reaction to the Proud Boys, and they were anti-racist.
01:00:27.000 And one of the things that you have to be in a Boogaloo Boy was you couldn't be racist.
01:00:31.000 I didn't know that.
01:00:33.000 He also said he was providing security for the Black Lives Matter protesters.
01:00:37.000 That's been documented.
01:00:38.000 They did that.
01:00:39.000 He's also pro-LGBTQ. What exactly?
01:00:44.000 What do they stand for?
01:00:45.000 I thought you guys are fucking nuts!
01:00:46.000 But he's a gun guy, he loves guns.
01:00:48.000 They wear Hawaiian shirts, right?
01:00:49.000 They wear Hawaiian shirts, and they love guns.
01:00:51.000 You can't wear Hawaiian shirts anymore because people think you're a boogaloo boy.
01:00:54.000 Right, they think you're a boogaloo boy.
01:00:55.000 But the boogaloo boys were anti-Trump, anti-cop, police brutality, anti-imperialism, anti-war, pro-LGBT, and that's what that guy told me.
01:01:04.000 Now, there's no coalition, there's no central.
01:01:07.000 So the faction that he was in was a part.
01:01:10.000 And so I reached out to that guy, right?
01:01:13.000 And I had the next guy come out and he goes, what are you doing platforming that guy?
01:01:16.000 I mean, I interviewed somebody?
01:01:18.000 I go, what's your message to that guy?
01:01:19.000 I go, that guy's being crushed by capitalism right now because the COVID lockdown, he didn't have a job, he didn't know what to do.
01:01:25.000 And I go, that guy, you got to have a message for that guy.
01:01:28.000 And he goes, I don't have a message for that guy.
01:01:29.000 I go, that's why nobody ever fucking heard of you.
01:01:32.000 And you're a shitty organizer.
01:01:33.000 The problem with any kind of organization that anybody could join, whether it's the Boogaloo Boys or anybody, you could start off good.
01:01:39.000 You could start off with a good intention.
01:01:40.000 And then you'll get co-opted by the government.
01:01:42.000 Someone will come in and they'll have fake people.
01:01:44.000 Infiltrators.
01:01:44.000 Yeah, they'll have infiltrators.
01:01:46.000 Agent provocateurs.
01:01:47.000 They'll come in and they'll pretend they're a part of your organization and they'll start lighting buildings on fire and smashing windows.
01:01:54.000 Smashing windows.
01:01:54.000 Yes.
01:01:55.000 And that's what they do.
01:01:56.000 Yes, that documented that happened a lot last summer.
01:01:59.000 But that's a problem with any organization.
01:02:01.000 That's not an official government-run organization.
01:02:05.000 If anybody could join it, that means the federal government can join it.
01:02:08.000 Anybody can.
01:02:09.000 But the sin I committed, Joe, was I talked to somebody on the right.
01:02:15.000 And that's what the establishment fears.
01:02:17.000 If the populist left and the populist right come together, they're fucked.
01:02:21.000 And that's what they have to stop.
01:02:22.000 And that's why they're so after me when I did that.
01:02:26.000 Newsweek wrote a hit piece, BuzzFeed, New York Magazine.
01:02:29.000 I mean, they went nuts coming at me.
01:02:30.000 I trended on Twitter for like three days, two weeks in a row.
01:02:33.000 Congratulations.
01:02:34.000 Oh, thank you very much.
01:02:36.000 My parents are very proud.
01:02:37.000 And I was trending yesterday on Twitter because I gave a speech.
01:02:40.000 At the Medicare for All marches that happened on Saturday.
01:02:43.000 And I said we have to make the squad uncomfortable.
01:02:46.000 We have to make Bernie Sanders uncomfortable.
01:02:48.000 Because those are the people we have the most influence on.
01:02:50.000 I don't have any influence on Rand Paul or Mitch McConnell.
01:02:54.000 I didn't help get them elected.
01:02:55.000 They don't listen to me ever.
01:02:57.000 And Lawrence O'Donnell said the only way you're ever going to get, and this is a famous quote of his, the only way you're going to get the Democratic Party to listen to you or move to your side to the left is you have to be willing to show that you're not going to vote for them.
01:03:10.000 And that is not what the Democrats or the people on the left are.
01:03:13.000 They're always going to vote for the lesser of two evil, so the lesser of two evil is always going to keep being shitty.
01:03:18.000 And so that's why Joe Biden can govern like a right-winger, because he is a right-winger.
01:03:23.000 He's a conservative right-winger, Joe Biden.
01:03:25.000 And just think about this, about the military spending.
01:03:28.000 So when Trump was president, they said Trump was a traitor, and he was working for Putin, and you can't trust him, then why did you give him an extra $132 billion to do war?
01:03:37.000 Because that's what they did.
01:03:38.000 During his four years of presidency, they ramped up the military budget, $132 billion, and there was no town halls about it, there was no meetings, there was no big discussions about it, they just did it.
01:03:51.000 You know you could end homelessness for $20 billion.
01:03:54.000 They could do that every year.
01:03:55.000 They don't want to.
01:03:56.000 So it just goes to show you how captured our government is.
01:03:59.000 Wait a minute.
01:04:00.000 How could you do that?
01:04:01.000 Isn't LA's homeless budget like $2 billion?
01:04:04.000 I don't know.
01:04:05.000 How are they spending that money?
01:04:07.000 What they're doing?
01:04:08.000 California is run by Democrats.
01:04:10.000 Supermajority Democrats and a Democratic governor.
01:04:12.000 And there's people sleeping under every bridge and no one gives a shit.
01:04:16.000 Well, I had Coleon Noir on the podcast and he's a Second Amendment advocate.
01:04:20.000 He's a lawyer and he's a very interesting and intelligent guy.
01:04:23.000 And one of the things that he pointed out was that it was pointed out to him that there's no incentive to really end homelessness because there's a shit ton of people that are working to end homelessness and they're making six figures.
01:04:34.000 And he put up the numbers.
01:04:35.000 He put up the income of all the different people that are working in California.
01:04:39.000 And some of them were $250,000 a year.
01:04:42.000 That's amazing.
01:04:42.000 And there's no progress made.
01:04:44.000 And every year the budget goes up.
01:04:45.000 We were watching it and the revelation hit me.
01:04:47.000 I was like, holy shit.
01:04:49.000 He's like, they're banking.
01:04:51.000 He goes, they're farming homeless people.
01:04:54.000 And I was like, this is insanity.
01:04:56.000 He goes, like, it doesn't get any better.
01:04:57.000 If it doesn't get any better and they keep spending more money every year, he goes, don't you think it's a problem?
01:05:02.000 So, don't you think Medicare for All, I think, would help the homelessness problem because people are driven into bankruptcy every year?
01:05:09.000 And even people with jobs.
01:05:11.000 You know that 44% of homeless people have jobs?
01:05:15.000 Really?
01:05:16.000 Yeah.
01:05:16.000 So they're working poor.
01:05:18.000 And they're working in the richest country.
01:05:19.000 What I try to tell people, 80% of workers in America lived paycheck to paycheck before COVID. Half of all wage earners earn less than $30,000 a year in America.
01:05:30.000 50% of Americans couldn't afford a $400 emergency.
01:05:33.000 So I say, what do you call a system that takes the richest country on the face of the earth and renders half of its population poor or low income?
01:05:39.000 You call that a goddamn failed system.
01:05:41.000 And no one's talking about the failed system.
01:05:43.000 All they're doing is trying to nip around the edges.
01:05:45.000 And they're not even doing that anymore.
01:05:47.000 We can't even get a $15 minimum wage.
01:05:49.000 We can't even get a public option.
01:05:50.000 We ain't getting shit.
01:05:52.000 But they are ramping up the drug war and putting more people in prison.
01:05:55.000 And right now, they passed a law in California that said you can't use prisons for immigrants, right?
01:06:01.000 Joe Biden is in court trying to We'll return that.
01:06:04.000 That's Joe Biden, not Trump.
01:06:05.000 Joe Biden.
01:06:06.000 You know, Trump allowed them to discriminate against the LGBTQ if you were a religious school.
01:06:12.000 Joe Biden is now upholding that.
01:06:14.000 So again, this idea that Joe Biden is somehow better than anybody, he is the moral superior to no one.
01:06:22.000 The guy is a more criminal.
01:06:23.000 How about that?
01:06:24.000 So now when you go back to the homeless situation, so clearly COVID was just a giant monkey wrench into the gears of life for everybody in this country.
01:06:34.000 For the past year and a half plus, everything's gone sideways.
01:06:39.000 It's all fucked, right?
01:06:42.000 When you say that 40% of these people that are homeless have jobs, how many are mentally ill?
01:06:48.000 How many of them are drug addicts?
01:06:49.000 How many of them are criminals?
01:06:51.000 How many of them have some sort of a horrible history where they can't get hired anywhere?
01:06:57.000 How do you ever resolve that?
01:07:00.000 If you're dealing with somewhere like California, I don't know what Los Angeles' homeless population is now, but someone estimated it was somewhere around 100,000, which is literally Boulder, Colorado.
01:07:12.000 So you have the population of Boulder in LA and they're all in tents.
01:07:17.000 How would anybody resolve that?
01:07:20.000 When you take into account how many of them are criminals, how many of them have horrible records where nobody wants to hire them, how many of them are mentally ill, how many of them are...
01:07:30.000 Yeah.
01:07:31.000 Drug addicts?
01:07:32.000 Drug addicts?
01:07:32.000 So again, like I said, the stats are I think somewhere around 40% of them actually have jobs.
01:07:38.000 So the rest of them, if they're mentally ill or drug addicts, you know what that is, that you'd have to have a health care program to take care of those people like they do in other countries.
01:07:47.000 That was the problem in the Reagan administration.
01:07:49.000 They changed the standards for people to be in mental institutions and they cast those people out in the street and that's when we saw a giant uptick in homeless.
01:07:56.000 I remember that.
01:07:57.000 So that would be your first thing.
01:07:59.000 I would give people mental health.
01:08:02.000 Right.
01:08:02.000 So you'd have to do something to ramp up the mental health programs, ramp up institutions, but do you institutionalize these people against their will?
01:08:10.000 Like, how much freedom do you give them?
01:08:11.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:08:12.000 Right.
01:08:12.000 I hear you.
01:08:13.000 Because this is one of the things that I've talked to people that work with homeless.
01:08:16.000 They say, when you have these situations where you have these shelters, but you have to be clean in the shelter, these people will, fuck that.
01:08:23.000 I'll just go live in a tent.
01:08:24.000 I'll get free food.
01:08:25.000 I can come back and get free food.
01:08:27.000 I don't want to I don't live under your laws and your rules.
01:08:29.000 I want to do drugs.
01:08:30.000 So they do their drugs, they're addicted to their drugs, and they don't want to be clean.
01:08:33.000 How could one resolve that?
01:08:35.000 I don't know what percentage of homeless people are drug addicts.
01:08:40.000 I would have to look that up.
01:08:41.000 I don't know.
01:08:41.000 I don't know how they would estimate that.
01:08:43.000 But I mean, drug addiction is a problem.
01:08:45.000 Alcoholism is a problem in America.
01:08:46.000 Drug addiction is a problem.
01:08:48.000 And what you do is you don't make people get clean before you give them a home.
01:08:53.000 We get people homes, and then that helps them get clean.
01:08:56.000 If I was living on the street, I would be doing every drug in the world.
01:08:59.000 I can't believe.
01:09:00.000 I mean, I do drugs now, and I have a house.
01:09:06.000 Just to escape reality, the pressures of reality, and just the horrors of your existence.
01:09:11.000 So this idea that we can't handle this problem is also bullshit.
01:09:14.000 I mean, if you give people...
01:09:15.000 So 40% of the people are already working.
01:09:18.000 So what you do is you give them enough money to get a fucking house because they're not earning enough.
01:09:22.000 And so maybe you pass a $15 minimum wage and that helps them get there.
01:09:25.000 Also, the people who are mentally ill, you get them mental health.
01:09:29.000 And the people who are regular health problems, they went bankrupt.
01:09:31.000 You also get them their health care so they don't go bankrupt anymore.
01:09:34.000 And then the people who are left over, who are unemployable because of their history or something, the government should give them a job.
01:09:40.000 Let's start with step one.
01:09:42.000 Let's start with the housing, right?
01:09:43.000 How does that work?
01:09:46.000 Like, if you want to create affordable housing for people, but you have this competitive real estate market, like we were talking earlier about how expensive houses are.
01:09:52.000 It's nuts how expensive it is in Los Angeles.
01:09:54.000 Yeah, it's nuts.
01:09:55.000 Shitty houses cost a million dollars.
01:09:57.000 Yeah.
01:09:57.000 In my old neighborhood in Pasadena, a regular house, two-bedroom, two-bath house, they're now going for a million dollars.
01:10:04.000 Yeah.
01:10:04.000 And it's not a nice neighborhood, it's just a regular neighborhood.
01:10:07.000 Right.
01:10:07.000 And I'm like, how do these, so yeah, so...
01:10:09.000 Because it's loans, and you're basically 30 years, you're paying it off, and we saw what happened in 2008 with all that shit, the subprime mortgage.
01:10:18.000 And now they're doing that thing where the hedge funds, or the equity companies, which got bailed out during the COVID upward transfer of wealth, are now buying up all the houses and renting them out so they keep people paupers.
01:10:30.000 Because the only way to really create wealth in America anymore is now through real estate.
01:10:34.000 And so if you can't get real estate, you're going to be a pauper forever.
01:10:37.000 So you've heard about those stories, right?
01:10:39.000 Where there's the big equity firm that bought, in fact, one whole city, I think, in Texas somewhere.
01:10:44.000 And then you have to go rent from them forever.
01:10:46.000 I have heard that nationwide, that there's this trend of, like, giant corporations buying houses.
01:10:53.000 And that you have to, like, if you see a house for sale, you've got to jump on it quick.
01:10:57.000 They'll come in and they'll overbid.
01:10:59.000 What is that?
01:11:00.000 What's happening there?
01:11:02.000 So as far as I can tell, what's happening there is they're cornering the market and they're creating monopolies and they're artificially raising the prices so then they can have you as a renter forever.
01:11:11.000 So they're buying these houses and then they won't sell them.
01:11:15.000 They're just using them as rental properties and that they'll control the ownership of these houses.
01:11:20.000 Yeah.
01:11:21.000 But this is a new thing?
01:11:22.000 This seems like it's a new thing.
01:11:24.000 It seems like it's a new thing.
01:11:24.000 The article I read.
01:11:25.000 Yeah, I read it too, but I just glanced at it.
01:11:28.000 I got depressed and I put the fucking phone down.
01:11:31.000 I was like, Jesus Christ.
01:11:33.000 I had this, you know, the shit they do with, like for rich people, money's free.
01:11:39.000 Right, because you go get zero interest, all the money that they gave out to the banks and stuff.
01:11:44.000 It's just that they were going to give them a trillion dollars a day.
01:11:46.000 The Fed, like, we'll give them a trillion dollars a day.
01:11:49.000 So this idea that we can't solve our problems, you know, you travel to other countries, they've solved their problems.
01:11:55.000 I was in Norway.
01:11:56.000 No homeless people.
01:11:57.000 But it seems like they've been on top of it from the jump.
01:12:00.000 They never let it get to a point where you've got 100,000 people in Los Angeles that are homeless.
01:12:05.000 That's where it becomes a problem, when it gets so bad.
01:12:08.000 I was talking to the mayor of Austin, and we were describing the homeless situation here, and he's like, you've got to get a hold of it now.
01:12:17.000 He goes, because if it gets worse, It's going to get to a point where if you look at Los Angeles, it's essentially unfixable.
01:12:24.000 And he was describing, we don't have the resources to fix something like that.
01:12:27.000 But Austin's homeless situation is somewhere between 2,000 and 3,000 people.
01:12:32.000 He's like, that's fixable if we act now.
01:12:35.000 If you act now and start providing shelter.
01:12:37.000 And so they're doing these things.
01:12:39.000 They're trying.
01:12:39.000 And a lot of people don't think they're trying fast enough.
01:12:41.000 And they've instituted this tent ban.
01:12:44.000 And some people are against it.
01:12:45.000 And some people are celebrating it.
01:12:47.000 And it's a very divisive thing in the city.
01:12:49.000 Because this is a weird city, right?
01:12:51.000 It's a progressive city that's in this red state and there's a lot of conflicts about how to handle these situations.
01:12:58.000 But the mayor, Steve Adler, had a great point.
01:13:02.000 He's like, you could get a hold of it now and you could stop.
01:13:04.000 And he goes, and that is my one goal in the year and a half that I have left in office is to get a hold of this and start making some progress and to lay the foundation for if he leaves office and the next mayor comes in, they have They have a plan.
01:13:18.000 There's something they can follow.
01:13:20.000 I hope...
01:13:21.000 I mean, that sounds like a, you know...
01:13:22.000 But this is, again, 2,000 to 3,000 people.
01:13:25.000 Los Angeles is fucking out of control.
01:13:27.000 I've seen, like, my friend Bridget Phetasy sent me a video.
01:13:31.000 She took of her car driving down Venice and just filming the number of tents.
01:13:36.000 And if you're a person whose job was to handle that, you'd be like, well, the diffusion of responsibility is so high because the problem is so overwhelming.
01:13:45.000 Like, what do you do?
01:13:46.000 What do you do?
01:13:46.000 Maybe they're not really farming homeless people.
01:13:48.000 Maybe you can't fucking fix it.
01:13:49.000 Maybe there's not enough money.
01:13:50.000 Maybe you need fucking trillions of dollars to fix that because it's so overwhelming.
01:13:56.000 It's so big.
01:13:57.000 I think if you institute a Medicare for all and a living wage, you get rid of a lot of those problems.
01:14:03.000 You definitely put a dent in it, right?
01:14:05.000 Yes.
01:14:06.000 And if you had a government jobs program, like why isn't there...
01:14:10.000 Hey, if you're healthy and you're willing to work, why doesn't the government just give you a job to go do shit?
01:14:14.000 Because you can get more money.
01:14:17.000 There's a lot of people that feel like you can, to not work, right?
01:14:21.000 Yeah, but you make it more, I'm sorry.
01:14:24.000 No, go ahead.
01:14:25.000 No, see, but you, a lot of people are saying that, oh, the unemployment, people don't want to go work because they're getting unemployment.
01:14:31.000 Do you realize how shitty their job is when they would rather fucking stay home?
01:14:34.000 Because nobody wants to do that.
01:14:35.000 People would love to, most people want to work.
01:14:38.000 That's not necessarily true, though.
01:14:40.000 I have a friend who owns a restaurant.
01:14:41.000 He was talking to me about it.
01:14:42.000 And it's like, you know, he has a very nice restaurant.
01:14:45.000 It's a small place, and he can't get people to work.
01:14:47.000 Yeah, your friend's a piece of shit.
01:14:48.000 He's not!
01:14:49.000 There's no way.
01:14:50.000 He's not at all.
01:14:51.000 He's not.
01:14:51.000 He's a real good guy.
01:14:52.000 No, I'm kidding.
01:14:53.000 He runs a small business.
01:14:54.000 And he's like, I gave these people money when they left.
01:14:58.000 We made sure they were taken care of.
01:15:00.000 And then he goes, during the pandemic, and then when the pandemic was over, we talked about it on this podcast.
01:15:06.000 And I was like, come on back to work.
01:15:07.000 And they're like, eh, no, I'm getting free money.
01:15:10.000 Why would I come back to work?
01:15:11.000 So, you know, in other countries, when COVID happened, when they quarantined them, what they did is if you had to shut your business down, the government paid your employees.
01:15:20.000 The government paid them.
01:15:21.000 In Japan, it was like 100%, and in Europe, it ranged from 70% to 100% of people's salaries.
01:15:27.000 They didn't do that in the United States.
01:15:28.000 I don't know how anybody got through this.
01:15:30.000 I don't know how they got through it either.
01:15:31.000 They got one $1,600, $1,400 check and...
01:15:34.000 It made people dangerous and desperate.
01:15:36.000 Yes!
01:15:36.000 A lot of people were...
01:15:38.000 Because you're stuck in a situation where you got no money coming in, you got family...
01:15:41.000 What are you supposed to do?
01:15:43.000 And people are like, why did crime go up?
01:15:45.000 Well, it's complicated.
01:15:47.000 Maybe it's complicated, but there's also a real clear...
01:15:50.000 Motivating factor.
01:15:52.000 Desperation.
01:15:52.000 Yes.
01:15:53.000 You know, it even happened in Sicily.
01:15:57.000 People were going into the grocery stores and not paying and just leaving.
01:16:01.000 That started to happen when COVID lockdown started happening.
01:16:04.000 And so they sent out the police to stop.
01:16:07.000 Of course, they had to stop that and all that shit.
01:16:09.000 But you know what's weird too, Joe, is like when COVID lockdowns happened, we all saw how important the essential workers are, right?
01:16:16.000 Like we can't live without the essential workers, right?
01:16:19.000 The fuck I fucking hate that term.
01:16:21.000 I really do.
01:16:22.000 I hate that term, essential worker.
01:16:23.000 It drives me crazy.
01:16:24.000 Because it makes people think that their job's not essential.
01:16:27.000 So the people that are not amongst the essential workers, they're non-essential?
01:16:31.000 What the fuck does that mean?
01:16:33.000 There's a bunch of pieces that need to be put into place to make society work.
01:16:36.000 I just hate that term.
01:16:37.000 Frontline workers, maybe?
01:16:39.000 Call them frontline workers.
01:16:40.000 For sure.
01:16:41.000 Hospital workers.
01:16:42.000 I mean, and even people that work in supermarkets, right?
01:16:44.000 Right.
01:16:44.000 That's what I mean.
01:16:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:16:45.000 And for sure, firemen, police officers, teachers, things along those lines.
01:16:51.000 Frontline.
01:16:51.000 Yeah.
01:16:51.000 So they have all the power.
01:16:55.000 And it was revealed through this crisis that they have all the power.
01:16:59.000 I couldn't get anything from Ralph's.
01:17:01.000 I had to schedule an appointment three days ahead to get my delivery.
01:17:05.000 Even with the workers at UPS and the workers at Amazon, they realize that they're the...
01:17:12.000 Isn't it crazy that Jeff Bezos is able to become a trillionaire during this crazy lockdown time?
01:17:19.000 Is he a trillionaire now?
01:17:20.000 He's getting close.
01:17:21.000 What's he at now?
01:17:22.000 I don't know.
01:17:22.000 It's up there.
01:17:23.000 It's like a score.
01:17:25.000 We're looking at sports scores.
01:17:26.000 Like, how many years can the Patriots win?
01:17:31.000 And, you know, it is.
01:17:32.000 It's kind of crazy.
01:17:33.000 It's like we're looking at numbers.
01:17:34.000 Isn't it crazy how much I could hate Tom Brady and then I could root for him just like that?
01:17:38.000 Did you see that video of him throwing the ball into that little tiny hole and have it spit back out at him?
01:17:44.000 No.
01:17:44.000 Oh my god.
01:17:45.000 Go to his Instagram.
01:17:46.000 That's not real.
01:17:47.000 Oh, it's not real?
01:17:48.000 It's not real?
01:17:49.000 You can't do that.
01:17:50.000 What do you mean you can't do that?
01:17:51.000 You can't do that.
01:17:52.000 How do you know?
01:17:53.000 He's been making viral videos like that for a while and some of them are like computer CGI stuff.
01:17:58.000 Like he threw a ball to the sun or something.
01:18:00.000 Wait a minute.
01:18:00.000 No, no, no, no.
01:18:01.000 But that looks very doable.
01:18:02.000 He's been trying to take over the internet with viral videos.
01:18:04.000 No kidding.
01:18:05.000 But hold on a second.
01:18:05.000 Hold on a second.
01:18:06.000 Do you know for a fact that's not real?
01:18:08.000 You could do it once.
01:18:09.000 He did it three times in a row.
01:18:10.000 The third time it fell over and spit back at him.
01:18:12.000 Yeah, but I've heard that literally from people that know him, that his accuracy is unprecedented.
01:18:20.000 When you think about how successful he is as a quarterback...
01:18:23.000 I'm not trying to shame Tom Brady, the goat.
01:18:25.000 Sounds like you are.
01:18:26.000 Let's watch it.
01:18:27.000 It's not real.
01:18:28.000 I don't know if you know for a fact, though.
01:18:30.000 You're saying it like you know it for a fact.
01:18:32.000 Let's watch it.
01:18:33.000 Let's watch it.
01:18:33.000 Watch this.
01:18:36.000 Bro, that looks real as fuck.
01:18:38.000 It looks real because it's done by a really good computer.
01:18:41.000 Maybe.
01:18:41.000 With really good effects.
01:18:42.000 I don't know, man.
01:18:43.000 And then the third time in a row he steps back and does it again and it falls over.
01:18:46.000 Oh, like a sad robot.
01:18:48.000 But how do you know that's the case?
01:18:50.000 How do you know that's not actually him doing that three times in a row?
01:18:54.000 Okay.
01:18:54.000 You don't.
01:18:56.000 You're right.
01:18:56.000 I don't know.
01:18:57.000 So shut the fuck up.
01:18:59.000 What are you doing over there, Jamie?
01:19:00.000 Someone's a hater.
01:19:02.000 I mean, that seems, but it's from a short distance, dude.
01:19:04.000 This is not that far.
01:19:05.000 For a guy that's as accurate as Tom Brady, literally the goat.
01:19:09.000 History says, he's put out a weird video like this once a week for the last two years, year?
01:19:13.000 I don't know, a long time.
01:19:14.000 Right, but the other ones, if he's throwing a ball to the sun, you're going, okay.
01:19:17.000 But this is very doable.
01:19:20.000 It's humanly possible to do it once, right?
01:19:24.000 People can hit holes in one, too, but they don't do it all the time.
01:19:27.000 Yeah, but it's way harder to hit a hole in one than it is for a guy that's literally the greatest quarterback of all time to throw a ball 15 yards into a small pocket like that.
01:19:36.000 That's a machine that's spitting back out.
01:19:38.000 It's not made to catch balls.
01:19:39.000 It's a machine made to throw balls.
01:19:41.000 So then they're saying that he's throwing it so fast, it's taking it.
01:19:45.000 That's the double thing.
01:19:46.000 They're saying he's throwing it so fast?
01:19:47.000 That's a machine that spits balls out.
01:19:49.000 It's not a catching machine.
01:19:51.000 It's got two wheels that are spinning at a very high velocity.
01:19:54.000 So the idea is that he's throwing it so fast, the machine caught it and then spit it back out.
01:20:01.000 You can't do that?
01:20:02.000 I would love to find another video where that's actually happening.
01:20:05.000 I'll look, but I'm just telling you without going too deep again.
01:20:08.000 If Tom Brady's ever on this show, he's going to smack you in the face.
01:20:11.000 I would love to, Michigan.
01:20:12.000 Let's go.
01:20:14.000 Let's go.
01:20:16.000 I don't know jack shit about football.
01:20:18.000 I'm the wrong guy.
01:20:21.000 You think he's the greatest quarterback of all time?
01:20:24.000 Yes.
01:20:24.000 I think he's very likely the greatest quarterback of all time, just based on what he's accomplished.
01:20:29.000 I don't know, though.
01:20:30.000 I don't know jack shit about football.
01:20:31.000 I'm not the guy.
01:20:32.000 Okay.
01:20:33.000 I would go Doug Flutie.
01:20:38.000 No, it is amazing to me, and I still can't get over it every time I think about it, how I rooted for him in the Super Bowl.
01:20:45.000 I could not believe it.
01:20:47.000 It was just because he was so old that they discarded him.
01:20:50.000 How old is he now?
01:20:51.000 He's 45?
01:20:52.000 I don't know how old he is.
01:20:53.000 Is he really that old?
01:20:54.000 Well, he's obviously healthy as fuck.
01:20:57.000 And how do you not root for that guy?
01:21:00.000 What does this say?
01:21:01.000 What does it say?
01:21:02.000 Brady tagged a videographer.
01:21:03.000 Oh, CGI. Who's known for doing CGI videos.
01:21:06.000 Clip and credit himself as a director and responsible for the visual.
01:21:08.000 Oh, so it's fake.
01:21:10.000 Goddammit, you're right.
01:21:11.000 Sorry.
01:21:12.000 Sorry.
01:21:12.000 So, good catch.
01:21:13.000 Sorry I called you a piece of shit.
01:21:15.000 I wouldn't have interrupted if I didn't have a strong feeling.
01:21:19.000 Well, you were accurate.
01:21:20.000 You're correct, sir.
01:21:21.000 Yeah.
01:21:22.000 Well, that sucks, Tom.
01:21:24.000 I thought you were just that good.
01:21:25.000 I thought he was that good, too.
01:21:26.000 He's trying to win the internet, bro.
01:21:27.000 Well, he won.
01:21:28.000 He won.
01:21:28.000 Got us talking about it.
01:21:29.000 But now you just fucking pissed all over.
01:21:31.000 It's fire.
01:21:32.000 Not everybody knows apparently.
01:21:34.000 Sorry.
01:21:34.000 A lot of people are going to know now.
01:21:37.000 So it turns out it wasn't Bill Belichick's genius.
01:21:41.000 It turns out it was Tom Brady.
01:21:42.000 Yeah.
01:21:43.000 Is he 45?
01:21:45.000 Is that how old he is?
01:21:46.000 He's 43. That's insane.
01:21:50.000 For a sport like football where giant super athletes are running at you full clip?
01:21:55.000 He's 43. He turns 44 in a couple days.
01:21:58.000 He's going to be 44 in a couple days.
01:21:59.000 Look at that.
01:22:00.000 How is he still at the top of his game?
01:22:02.000 That's amazing.
01:22:03.000 It's amazing.
01:22:04.000 Because the average career for a professional football player, what is it, like four years?
01:22:08.000 It's very short.
01:22:09.000 I mean, it gets smashed into it.
01:22:11.000 When I watch football, all I see is CTE. All I see is collisions.
01:22:15.000 I'm like, God!
01:22:17.000 And I'm a fight commentator.
01:22:18.000 So how do fighters not get that CTE? They do.
01:22:21.000 Oh.
01:22:22.000 Yeah, they definitely do.
01:22:23.000 Guys who have long careers, for sure, get some CTE. You know, the ones who are the most defensively responsible, who fight the smartest, they get little of it, or less of it, I should say, than the ones who are like face-forward brawlers.
01:22:40.000 Like Bernard Hopkins, who is a boxer, and he boxed in his late 40s, maybe even 50s.
01:22:45.000 In his 50s, yeah.
01:22:47.000 So he was very defensive, so maybe he doesn't suffer from that.
01:22:50.000 No.
01:22:51.000 You hear Bernard talk, he sounds perfect.
01:22:53.000 Okay.
01:22:54.000 You know, as Marvin Hagler did before he died.
01:22:56.000 Marvin Hagler sounded perfect.
01:22:57.000 He died?
01:22:58.000 He died, yeah.
01:22:59.000 I missed that.
01:23:00.000 When did he die?
01:23:02.000 During the pandemic.
01:23:04.000 Oh, that's too bad.
01:23:06.000 He was great.
01:23:06.000 Yeah, but he definitely died, and he was one of my all-time favorite boxers.
01:23:12.000 I'm a giant Marvin Angus fan.
01:23:14.000 I grew up in Boston.
01:23:15.000 He was amazing.
01:23:16.000 But that era was a great era for boxing.
01:23:18.000 Have you seen that new Showtime special, The Kings?
01:23:22.000 No.
01:23:22.000 It's incredible.
01:23:23.000 It's a four-part series.
01:23:26.000 It's about Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns, and Marvin Hagler.
01:23:30.000 It's incredible.
01:23:31.000 It's incredible.
01:23:32.000 It gives you goosebumps.
01:23:33.000 Yeah, I'll watch it now.
01:23:34.000 It's so good.
01:23:35.000 It's so good.
01:23:36.000 I remember I was the age.
01:23:38.000 I was watching those guys.
01:23:39.000 I remember Sugar Ray Leonard.
01:23:40.000 I remember the Olympics and all that stuff.
01:23:42.000 Was it the 76 Olympics?
01:23:44.000 Which one is it?
01:23:45.000 Yeah, Sugar Ray was 76. And, you know, he was doing all that stuff.
01:23:51.000 It was incredible.
01:23:51.000 The fight with Roberto Duran, he fought Roberto Duran's kind of fight and the first fight Duran won and the second fight he caught Duran fat and made him lose a lot of weight and then Duran quit in the middle of the fight and just destroyed him and they document this in the Showtime.
01:24:06.000 The Showtime series is excellent.
01:24:07.000 How does Duran quit that fight?
01:24:10.000 You talked about it.
01:24:11.000 Just go out and take a punch and fall down.
01:24:14.000 I don't know.
01:24:15.000 I mean, who knows?
01:24:16.000 I don't know.
01:24:17.000 Just go take a body shot and go down.
01:24:19.000 He got me.
01:24:19.000 Why do you gotta not answer the bell?
01:24:21.000 No, he stopped in the middle of the round.
01:24:23.000 And he went no mas.
01:24:24.000 He just stopped.
01:24:25.000 No mas.
01:24:25.000 He just waved it off.
01:24:26.000 He said he was having cramps.
01:24:29.000 I think it's a lot of factors.
01:24:32.000 A lot of things.
01:24:33.000 A lot of things happened.
01:24:34.000 And they document it, and they talk about it, and Durant talked about it.
01:24:38.000 And then when he came back and had some fights afterwards and fought like shit and lost to some guys that you didn't think he was going to lose to, and then eventually wound up beating Davey Moore and winning the junior middleweight title, I believe that it was.
01:24:52.000 And, you know, that was his big comeback, that he came back, and that was a few years later after Nomas.
01:24:56.000 I remember that, too.
01:24:57.000 It was like, because I was a giant Duran fan as well, and it's like, finally he's back.
01:25:01.000 Because he was just a pariah.
01:25:03.000 Like, he couldn't go back to Panama.
01:25:04.000 When he went to Panama, if he wanted to walk down the street, he had to walk with a lion.
01:25:09.000 He had a pet lion.
01:25:11.000 Because people were mad at him?
01:25:12.000 Because people were fucking with him.
01:25:13.000 So the way he would keep people from fucking with him, he would walk down the street with a lion.
01:25:18.000 No.
01:25:19.000 No.
01:25:20.000 Yeah, we were furious at him because they loved him so much and then for him to bring that kind of embarrassment to Panama was just a giant moment in the country's history.
01:25:33.000 Yeah, again, there's just another way to quit that fight.
01:25:37.000 There's a way to quit that fight and save your reputation.
01:25:40.000 Now, to look back in hindsight, I'm sure he would do it differently, but at the moment, he talks about it.
01:25:47.000 You should watch it, because if you're a big fan, you should watch it.
01:25:50.000 I will.
01:25:50.000 I'll definitely check it out.
01:25:50.000 It's one of the best documentaries on boxing, and it's a four-piece.
01:25:54.000 Documentary is one of the best I've ever seen.
01:25:56.000 It's amazing.
01:25:57.000 I watch almost nothing anymore.
01:25:58.000 Really?
01:25:59.000 I don't watch stuff.
01:26:00.000 Ever since my cable guy had my floors redone and they undid my cable, I just never rehooked it.
01:26:05.000 So I don't really watch TV and shit.
01:26:08.000 I watch YouTube.
01:26:09.000 And I watch mindless shit, like car crashes.
01:26:13.000 I just love watching car crashes.
01:26:14.000 I'm watching boat crashes.
01:26:16.000 There's this guy.
01:26:16.000 There's the inlet in Florida where the waves knock all the boats over.
01:26:21.000 I just watch it forever.
01:26:22.000 And I like watching people fly out of the boats.
01:26:25.000 And then boats that smash into other boats.
01:26:29.000 I just keep watching it.
01:26:31.000 I can't stop watching it.
01:26:33.000 I'm like, fuck, I've been doing this for an hour.
01:26:35.000 Mindless entertainment like that, it's very intoxicating, and I'm not exactly sure why, but I do too.
01:26:40.000 I was watching this video.
01:26:41.000 Oh, here's one, Jamie.
01:26:42.000 I wanted to bring this up to you.
01:26:43.000 There was a guy who made a video, and I don't know if it's real, but he had the boat going, and he tried wakeboarding behind the boat and fell.
01:26:52.000 And so he was by himself.
01:26:54.000 And so he did something to the accelerator.
01:26:56.000 He pushed the accelerator forward.
01:26:58.000 When you have a boat, you don't have to hold the gas down.
01:27:00.000 You just push it forward.
01:27:01.000 So he pushed it forward and then went back and was going to show you how he could wakeboard behind his boat.
01:27:07.000 And he fell.
01:27:08.000 And the boat just took off on its own.
01:27:10.000 What did he think was going to happen?
01:27:12.000 He thought he was going to be the slick guy on the internet who wakeboards and manages to get back on the boat.
01:27:19.000 Did they ever find the boat?
01:27:19.000 I don't know.
01:27:20.000 It's probably real.
01:27:21.000 There's quite a few videos of people doing exactly what you're saying and not falling.
01:27:25.000 But if that guy did that, where's the boat?
01:27:28.000 Did it kill somebody?
01:27:29.000 Is it wind in someone's living room?
01:27:31.000 Does it keep going until it's a tree?
01:27:33.000 What the fuck happened to the boat?
01:27:36.000 Did he do it on the ocean?
01:27:38.000 It looks like a lake.
01:27:39.000 It looks like he's doing it on a lake.
01:27:41.000 And he's wakeboarding behind the boat.
01:27:43.000 It was on someone's page that I saw.
01:27:48.000 Fuck, who was it?
01:27:49.000 Who was it?
01:27:51.000 I can't remember.
01:27:53.000 Okay.
01:27:53.000 I watched too much shit.
01:27:55.000 I follow like 15,000 fucking people or something.
01:27:58.000 I think I found it, but it's actually old.
01:27:59.000 Oh, is it?
01:28:00.000 Let me see.
01:28:01.000 Does this look like the screenshots from it?
01:28:04.000 No, that's not it.
01:28:05.000 No, it's like the guy's holding a GoPro in his hand and he gets off and he's on the boat doing the whole thing.
01:28:13.000 They're calling it Ghost Riding the Boat.
01:28:14.000 There's lots of videos of that.
01:28:16.000 That's so stupid.
01:28:17.000 That's the thing about wanting attention online.
01:28:21.000 It has made the world such a strange place.
01:28:26.000 This desire just for attention and to do wild shit that gets people to watch you.
01:28:34.000 Park whore and that kind of shit.
01:28:36.000 It sounded like you said park whore.
01:28:39.000 She's the whore at the park.
01:28:40.000 She's a park whore.
01:28:43.000 I'm in favor of park prostitutes.
01:28:47.000 Work is work.
01:28:48.000 There's one insane one on Robin Black's page where this guy leaps And he jumps through the air, lands with his feet on this wall, and does a backflip down into this huge gap in between this stone wall and a staircase.
01:29:08.000 And you're just like, what the fuck did you just do?
01:29:11.000 Have you seen that?
01:29:12.000 That's Dom Tomato, yeah.
01:29:13.000 I've followed this guy for a while.
01:29:14.000 I've talked to him a few times.
01:29:16.000 He's crazy.
01:29:17.000 That's insane.
01:29:18.000 Wow.
01:29:18.000 Some other shit he does, which is different than that.
01:29:21.000 What is his name?
01:29:21.000 Dom Tomato.
01:29:22.000 Dom Tomato, you are a bad motherfucker.
01:29:24.000 These guys freak me the fuck out.
01:29:25.000 These parkour guys.
01:29:27.000 Because they're basically defying reality.
01:29:30.000 He posts when he falls a lot, too.
01:29:32.000 Which I haven't ever seen him get wrecked really bad.
01:29:35.000 It looks like he's gotten really fucked up a few times and he just pops right back.
01:29:39.000 He's like, holy shit, got lucky there.
01:29:40.000 So he tried to land there and catch the wall, but he didn't quite catch it.
01:29:45.000 Oh, Jesus Christ!
01:29:47.000 What is he landing on?
01:29:49.000 What did he land on?
01:29:49.000 He had a little pad there.
01:29:50.000 He'll do these things.
01:29:51.000 He'll jump into the water.
01:29:53.000 He'll land on the tiniest little thing to pop his feet onto something.
01:29:57.000 Oh, my God.
01:29:58.000 I've followed him for close to two to three years now, I think, so I've seen lots of videos.
01:30:02.000 These guys are so crazy.
01:30:04.000 A little pad and scaffolding.
01:30:05.000 This is the thing.
01:30:06.000 We're giving them attention.
01:30:07.000 This is the thing.
01:30:08.000 This is what they do, right?
01:30:09.000 But that one, the one in the middle, scroll up, that one that we were looking at, that one's insane.
01:30:16.000 I mean, watch how he jumps through the air and lands with both feet on the wall and then flips.
01:30:22.000 That is crazy.
01:30:23.000 Fucking nuts!
01:30:25.000 I mean...
01:30:25.000 Do you see the one where the kid puts the bucket on people's heads in grocery stores or whatever?
01:30:30.000 No.
01:30:30.000 So, like, he's this little wiry kid and he'll go up to, like, a big guy and put a bucket over his head and run away, like, go around the corner and he'll take off his jacket and then he'll walk by like it's nothing, you know?
01:30:45.000 Now, I don't know how many of those are real.
01:30:47.000 Right.
01:30:47.000 Because he's picking with some big guys, and so I don't know if those are real or not, but they're funny.
01:30:52.000 One of the things that's really disturbing is all the videos that are coming out of the muggings in New York City, or the security camera muggings.
01:30:58.000 There was one that came out yesterday from Brooklyn, or Queens.
01:31:01.000 This guy just got the fuck beaten out of him.
01:31:04.000 Some guy just runs up on this guy, just beats the shit out of him, knocks him unconscious, drops him on the ground, literally picks him up, drops him on his head, and then just starts stealing his money, takes everything out of his pockets.
01:31:14.000 And you've seen so many of these attack videos, and the uptick in violent crime, this is it, yeah.
01:31:23.000 He stomps on this guy, takes all his shit, and watch how he picks him up, just drops him on his head.
01:31:28.000 See that?
01:31:29.000 That could kill him, just that alone.
01:31:33.000 I mean, he just walked up on this guy, 68-year-old man hospitalized.
01:31:38.000 68-year-old guy getting kicked in the head, and there's a lot of this going on, and it's horrible to watch.
01:31:45.000 And this defund the police shit has caused this violent uptick in crime.
01:31:51.000 I mean, and COVID, and police brutality.
01:31:54.000 Well, they didn't actually defund the police.
01:31:56.000 Well, what did they do in New York City where the cops don't have as much money?
01:31:59.000 Yeah, they did, by a billion dollars.
01:32:02.000 What is the amount of money that they defunded the police by?
01:32:05.000 And there's not just that.
01:32:07.000 It's like cops are scared to do active police work.
01:32:10.000 They're scared to go out there and do things.
01:32:13.000 I don't...
01:32:14.000 Really?
01:32:14.000 Yeah.
01:32:14.000 Did you see that guy that got the fuck beaten out of him in the park with his dog?
01:32:18.000 A guy walking with his dog and this group of teenagers...
01:32:22.000 Just jumps this guy.
01:32:23.000 Now, I don't know what he said to them or what they said to him or what happened, but it's one guy walking with his dog and a group of teenagers beat the fuck out of him.
01:32:32.000 It's a very disturbing video.
01:32:34.000 Because there's like, I don't know how many kids.
01:32:36.000 It looks like there's like 20 kids.
01:32:38.000 Wow.
01:32:38.000 And they just beat the shit out of this guy.
01:32:39.000 In a park.
01:32:40.000 So I thought the term defund police was unfortunate because that's not what it really meant.
01:32:46.000 I thought what it meant was, hey, instead of when there's a person with a mental health problem, instead of sending a cop, maybe we could send somebody who's a mental health person to help that person instead of...
01:32:59.000 But what if that person is acting violently and it's a mental health issue and the person has a weapon?
01:33:06.000 I mean, I guess you would handle it differently, again, maybe if they have a weapon.
01:33:11.000 I don't know, but it seems like cops are doing too many things that they don't have to do.
01:33:16.000 I see what you're saying.
01:33:17.000 I think it's more that cops have an insanely difficult job when they're not appreciated, and there's bad cops.
01:33:23.000 And when you see bad cops do things, then it justifies this idea of defunding the police.
01:33:28.000 But when you're being attacked, or when something's happening, or someone's breaking into your house, or you're in danger, you want cops.
01:33:35.000 You want to be able to call someone.
01:33:36.000 So this whole defund the police thing, the problem is then they're not available for that.
01:33:41.000 That's the problem.
01:33:42.000 So I thought it was actually the opposite, that they would be more available to come help you, because they wouldn't be taking care of all this bullshit.
01:33:49.000 No, they feel underappreciated.
01:33:52.000 Not only that, they feel like they're in danger.
01:33:54.000 They feel like they're going to go viral, and people are going to hate them and show up at their house.
01:33:59.000 It's scary shit to be a cop right now.
01:34:01.000 Maybe there's some good in that.
01:34:04.000 Bad cops get filtered out and police brutality diminishes to a certain extent.
01:34:08.000 But I think what they need to be is trained.
01:34:11.000 They need to be more appreciated and they need to have better qualified people as police officers.
01:34:20.000 People that can handle pressure.
01:34:21.000 And then you've got to think about how many cops have massive PTSD. You ever talk to cops?
01:34:26.000 I've talked to a lot of cops and the shit they explain.
01:34:29.000 My grandpa was a cop.
01:34:30.000 My grandpa was a cop.
01:34:32.000 My dad was a cop.
01:34:33.000 My oldest brother was a cop.
01:34:34.000 All my best friends are cops in Chicago.
01:34:37.000 The shit they see.
01:34:38.000 And, you know, they're all assholes.
01:34:48.000 So, what's wrong with policing is the system that we use.
01:34:52.000 What's wrong, it's not bad apples, right?
01:34:55.000 Because what actually happens is there's a culture of policing, and it's the way they're trained.
01:35:02.000 They're not trained to de-escalate.
01:35:03.000 They've been trained to escalate.
01:35:04.000 And you've heard people, even Barack Obama heard say, a cop's number one job is to make sure he comes home safe at night.
01:35:10.000 That is not a cop's job.
01:35:12.000 The cop's number one job is to make sure I come home safe at night.
01:35:15.000 That's why he's supposed to risk his life and he gets a monopoly on violence and he gets to carry a gun and gets to be able to order people around because he's supposed to be protecting me.
01:35:24.000 But the way they're thinking now is I have to protect myself and everybody is a potential killer.
01:35:28.000 Well, because they get shot when they pull people over for random traffic stops.
01:35:32.000 It's just statistically not a dangerous job, a policeman.
01:35:35.000 Statistically, it's not dangerous.
01:35:36.000 What does that mean, though?
01:35:37.000 That's a crazy thing to say when you see videos of cops getting shot left and right.
01:35:41.000 It's a very dangerous job.
01:35:43.000 Statistically, working at a grocery store is not a dangerous job.
01:35:46.000 Now it is, though, right?
01:35:48.000 Because of COVID, then all of a sudden a lot of people who are of poor health who are working at grocery stores, it used to be no big deal, then they'd get COVID and get really sick and be fucked.
01:35:57.000 Right?
01:35:57.000 It became a dangerous job.
01:35:59.000 But statistically, being a police officer means you're pulling people over and they might shoot you.
01:36:03.000 That's a very dangerous job.
01:36:04.000 Well, that's not statistically.
01:36:05.000 I mean, that's a possibility.
01:36:06.000 But the statistics show that it's not that dangerous of a job.
01:36:10.000 I mean, if you could Google, what's the most dangerous jobs in America?
01:36:14.000 I bet a cop would be like 18th.
01:36:16.000 Well, let's find out.
01:36:17.000 Let's find out.
01:36:18.000 That's interesting.
01:36:19.000 I mean, I think the number one is going to be Fisherman.
01:36:21.000 Okay.
01:36:22.000 Well, then you, like, one of those guys that's on, like, The Deadliest Catch?
01:36:25.000 Yeah.
01:36:25.000 Yeah, that's a fucking dangerous show.
01:36:26.000 Fisherman.
01:36:27.000 Very dangerous show, but it's a different kind of danger.
01:36:29.000 It's like your danger because of the elements and because of the nature of your work.
01:36:33.000 The scary thing about being a cop is someone might try to kill you because you're a cop.
01:36:38.000 You're basically a professional enemy.
01:36:41.000 You're walking around, and especially now, post-George Floyd, and not just George Floyd, but all the different cases where we've seen police brutality, we've seen horrible things that the cops have done.
01:36:52.000 It's made people hate cops even more than they did before.
01:36:56.000 But what about, you saw all those videos of those cops out of fucking control as a group.
01:37:01.000 Yes.
01:37:01.000 As a group, just randomly beating the shit out of it.
01:37:04.000 They don't care.
01:37:06.000 There becomes a them versus us mentality that happens to police officers.
01:37:10.000 It's a scary thing.
01:37:12.000 It does.
01:37:13.000 And I've talked to cops about it, and it's a thing that...
01:37:16.000 And when you're pulling up on somebody, and they have tinted windows, and you have no idea what the fuck is going to go on.
01:37:22.000 And we've all seen videos of cops getting shot from...
01:37:26.000 I mean, if you're watching boat crashing videos, and not watching...
01:37:29.000 Those videos?
01:37:30.000 I like to watch the videos where the guys assert their First Amendment rights to the cop, where the cop says, give me your ID. I don't have to.
01:37:36.000 Am I being accused of a crime?
01:37:37.000 Do you think I'm committing a crime?
01:37:38.000 I don't have to give you a crime.
01:37:39.000 I love those guys.
01:37:40.000 It's interesting when someone pulls someone over and does have legal expertise and they talk circles around the cop.
01:37:46.000 Especially when the cop's being a dick.
01:37:47.000 Yeah, and then they have those dash cams.
01:37:51.000 I think what you have to do to fix policing is I think policing is broken in America.
01:37:59.000 So you've got to stop hiring ex-military people to be cops.
01:38:02.000 Why is that?
01:38:03.000 Those people have PTSD, and they were trained to see the person they're policing as the enemy.
01:38:07.000 And that's not good.
01:38:09.000 But they also have experience in conflict, and they also understand how to handle high-pressure situations because they have experience in those.
01:38:18.000 I would say that's a different kind of experience.
01:38:20.000 I mean, they're not saying that they don't have that.
01:38:22.000 It is a different kind of experience, right?
01:38:23.000 It's a different kind of experience.
01:38:24.000 You're talking about, like, armed conflict overseas versus pulling somebody over for a traffic stop.
01:38:31.000 And most cops never use their gun.
01:38:33.000 Most cops, right?
01:38:35.000 Yeah.
01:38:35.000 And my dad never fired his gun.
01:38:36.000 He was a cop for, you know, 100 years.
01:38:39.000 But my dad did get his arm shattered one time.
01:38:45.000 He was some guy.
01:38:47.000 I forget what it was.
01:38:49.000 He had to try and arrest him, and he was on a stairway.
01:38:52.000 And they went down the stairway, and they went down on my dad's arm.
01:38:57.000 And so it kind of shattered his arm.
01:38:59.000 But he's all right.
01:39:03.000 It's a rough fucking job.
01:39:05.000 So what you do is, I had it explained to me by this guy who was a Baltimore sergeant, and he studied it, right?
01:39:16.000 He became a scholar and looked into, because he found out like, oh my god, it turned out I was a bad guy.
01:39:22.000 Which guy is this?
01:39:24.000 This guy's name is Michael Wood.
01:39:25.000 I had him on the podcast.
01:39:26.000 Oh yeah.
01:39:26.000 So I had him on my show too and he explained all that stuff like I thought I was one of the good guys and when I looked at the stats of what I was doing I was also part of the problem.
01:39:34.000 But here's what the most interesting thing is he found a piece of paper that was arrest reports and a crime report from the 1970s and the exact same crimes in the exact same neighborhoods that he was policing now and he realized like holy shit this is then this is like the definition of systemic and Like,
01:39:51.000 this system is fucking broken.
01:39:53.000 These people live in this place where it's a constant sea of crime.
01:39:59.000 And they grow up in it, they're surrounded by it, and the next generation is going to experience the same thing unless something happens, and something changes, and nothing happens, and nothing changes.
01:40:08.000 And this is one of the things that I said about COVID when all this went down.
01:40:12.000 Money would it take to invest in these communities and make it so that people that grow up there have a fucking chance?
01:40:19.000 Because if you're fucked, if you're growing up in a bad neighborhood of Detroit, in a bad neighborhood in the south side of Chicago, all these crime-ridden, gang-infested neighborhoods, It's not much different now than it was a decade ago and not much different from a decade previous.
01:40:35.000 And it's going to stay this way unless something happens.
01:40:39.000 And if you really want America, you want to make America great again, here's what you do.
01:40:43.000 You have less losers.
01:40:44.000 Here's how you have less losers.
01:40:45.000 You make it so that it's easier to survive, and it's easier to get an education, it's easier to pursue a career, and you're not living in some crime-infested, gang-infested neighborhood.
01:40:55.000 And the people that think that you should pull yourself up by your bootstraps, Like, listen, motherfucker, you never lived in these places.
01:41:01.000 You don't know what you're talking about.
01:41:02.000 That's a crazy thing to say.
01:41:03.000 Because no one started, it's not like we're all on the same starting block.
01:41:07.000 And everybody gets the, oh, we're all living in fucking a nice neighborhood in Springfield, Massachusetts.
01:41:13.000 No.
01:41:13.000 No, no, that's not what most people are living in.
01:41:15.000 Most people are living in a fuck place in these gang-infested neighborhoods that we're talking about, crime-infested neighborhoods.
01:41:22.000 Baltimore, like he was talking about.
01:41:24.000 It's just when you see that it's the same situation time after time again and then Nothing gets done to fix that.
01:41:31.000 Like, why wouldn't we invest in that?
01:41:45.000 In the neighborhood that we used to spend on criminalizing and prosecuting these crimes, we're going to reinvest that money into the neighborhoods that was most affected by the enforcement of these drug laws.
01:41:56.000 So maybe they will do that, maybe they won't.
01:41:58.000 Well, if they do and they fix it, holy shit, what a great model that would be for the rest of the country.
01:42:04.000 Yeah, how about, you know what they do in, like, Finland?
01:42:07.000 They have three teachers and 20 kids in each class.
01:42:09.000 Like, why don't we do that?
01:42:10.000 Right, right.
01:42:11.000 Why don't we do that?
01:42:12.000 And every teacher, the main teacher has a master's, and so why don't we invest?
01:42:16.000 That's how you can invest.
01:42:17.000 So that's what Finland, was it Finland?
01:42:19.000 I think it was Finland.
01:42:20.000 That's what they did, I think it was Finland, to get, it was one of those countries.
01:42:24.000 Isn't it the kind of thing, though, like we're talking about, where they're not fucked...
01:42:28.000 And they're trying to fix it.
01:42:30.000 It's like they had a better idea and they progressed with this better idea.
01:42:33.000 But they weren't doing well.
01:42:35.000 But they were never fucked the way...
01:42:37.000 That way we're fucked.
01:42:38.000 Right, right.
01:42:39.000 That's the thing.
01:42:39.000 We're fucked so hard that...
01:42:41.000 And cops get paid...
01:42:43.000 I mean, rather, teachers get paid so little...
01:42:45.000 They should get paid double.
01:42:46.000 Well, it's one of the most important jobs.
01:42:49.000 It's the most important job.
01:42:50.000 And now they have them in 40 kids in a class.
01:42:52.000 It's crazy.
01:42:52.000 My wife was a high school, until recently, high school English teacher.
01:42:59.000 And she couldn't believe it, how they would just give her more kids and more kids, and she's like, how am I supposed to do that?
01:43:03.000 I have 182 kids every day.
01:43:06.000 That's insane.
01:43:06.000 Different.
01:43:07.000 So if, and if one out of, if, what is it, one out of the ten people are psychopaths, that means she has...
01:43:13.000 That's one out of a hundred.
01:43:13.000 Okay, so she's got at least two of them, and then a couple sociopaths.
01:43:17.000 What she likes to say is, you know, before you see them on the news, I see them in the classroom.
01:43:22.000 And really what's happening is it's happening in the house, right?
01:43:25.000 It's happening in their neighborhood.
01:43:26.000 It's happening.
01:43:26.000 They're developing this way.
01:43:29.000 Until we put a stop to that, until we make it so that where they're developing is a better environment.
01:43:35.000 And it can be done.
01:43:36.000 This is not insurmountable.
01:43:37.000 This idea of like nation building.
01:43:39.000 We're willing to go to other countries and overthrow their governments, but we're not willing to invest in the cities in our own country.
01:43:47.000 I agree.
01:43:48.000 And try to fix these neighborhoods that have been fucked for decades.
01:43:50.000 Decades!
01:43:51.000 So they just ramped up the military budget again for Joe Biden.
01:43:55.000 They gave him an extra 20 billion dollars.
01:43:57.000 For what?
01:43:58.000 20 billion again.
01:43:59.000 Like imagine if you took that 20 billion and you just decided to build like a sports stadium in 20 of the biggest cities in America for a billion dollars each.
01:44:06.000 Do you know how many jobs that would create?
01:44:07.000 You know how many economics?
01:44:09.000 But instead that goes into the pocket of the guy at Raytheon into a bomb that ends up in the ground somewhere.
01:44:14.000 And it's ridiculous how we're spending.
01:44:16.000 The worst way to create jobs is defense spending, right?
01:44:19.000 It's the most least efficient way is defense spending.
01:44:22.000 Is it?
01:44:22.000 Yes.
01:44:23.000 So they've done studies and it's the least...
01:44:24.000 For every dollar you spend defense, you get the least amount of jobs in case.
01:44:28.000 Like if you put the money in somewhere else, you would get more jobs.
01:44:30.000 What's the most efficient?
01:44:32.000 So I think stand-up comedy clubs.
01:44:38.000 Yeah, I think they should put some money in stand-up comedy.
01:44:41.000 We need more comedy clubs, obviously.
01:44:42.000 For sure.
01:44:43.000 That's what we need.
01:44:46.000 What's the comedy scene like here in Austin now?
01:44:48.000 It's great.
01:44:48.000 Yeah.
01:44:49.000 I mean, there's several clubs that have opened up since I moved here.
01:44:53.000 Oh, yeah.
01:44:53.000 Yeah.
01:44:54.000 Creek in the Cave, where you were at last night.
01:44:55.000 I was at the Creek in the Cave last night.
01:44:56.000 It's a wonderful club.
01:44:57.000 It's great.
01:44:57.000 It's great.
01:44:58.000 And they had shows all night.
01:44:59.000 Yeah.
01:45:00.000 Yeah, they have shows all the time.
01:45:01.000 They had a show before my show, and they had a show after my show.
01:45:04.000 Vulcan Gas Company's great.
01:45:06.000 There's a place called Sunset Strip Comedy Club, and then there's the Romo Room, and then...
01:45:15.000 Wow!
01:45:15.000 The word is that Helium is opening up a club out here, and they're going to reopen Cap City.
01:45:21.000 Oh, I like Helium.
01:45:22.000 And I'm opening up a club.
01:45:24.000 I'll tell you all about that when we get off the air.
01:45:26.000 Oh, okay.
01:45:27.000 I should have already had it open, but I'll tell you all about what happened there, too.
01:45:30.000 There was a giant disaster that literally could have been a huge problem.
01:45:35.000 I had to get out of a deal.
01:45:37.000 Oh, okay.
01:45:37.000 Long story.
01:45:38.000 Okay, I got you.
01:45:39.000 But the scene here is great.
01:45:40.000 A lot of upcoming comics and a lot of comics have moved here.
01:45:43.000 So it's exciting.
01:45:44.000 It's exciting.
01:45:45.000 And it's Texas.
01:45:47.000 Texas is like, it's a fun place.
01:45:49.000 It's like you have more freedom here.
01:45:50.000 They're not going to close down the comedy clubs the way they closed them down in Los Angeles for more than a year.
01:45:55.000 So they're doing the masks and doors shit again.
01:45:58.000 I was just at the hotel.
01:46:00.000 I didn't have to wear a mask inside if I'm vaxxed.
01:46:02.000 How did they know?
01:46:02.000 They're not even saying that in comedy clubs.
01:46:05.000 They're just letting people make their own decisions, which I 100% support and agree with.
01:46:09.000 Me too.
01:46:10.000 Just do what you want to do like you always have been able to do what you want to do with all these other aspects of your life in terms of being able to jump off a fucking building and do backflips.
01:46:18.000 You can do that, but you've got to wear a mask when you do it.
01:46:23.000 So what about, like, can we talk about Ivermectin?
01:46:28.000 Yeah, sure.
01:46:29.000 So I covered it, what they did in Mexico City, and Ivermectin seems to be a drug that not only treats it, but it will prevent you from getting it.
01:46:38.000 I think we need studies.
01:46:40.000 We need legitimate studies.
01:46:41.000 And I don't know how that happens, because the problem with this argument, this conversation is...
01:46:48.000 You know, you'll have people saying, I've used this on my patients, like Dr. Pierre Corey, who's been on this podcast.
01:46:55.000 And I 100% believe him, and I support him, and I'm not saying that he's not telling the truth.
01:47:00.000 The problem is, I think, in order to state something emphatically, like, this is what we need to do, this is the best treatment, we need studies.
01:47:09.000 Right?
01:47:09.000 This is the only way you find out.
01:47:11.000 And, well, who's going to fund these studies?
01:47:12.000 Who's going to fund a study?
01:47:13.000 And the problem is, it's a generic drug.
01:47:14.000 That's it.
01:47:14.000 No one wants it.
01:47:15.000 It's a drug that's been around for 40 years, has a long history of use.
01:47:18.000 And also, there's a difference between using it as a prophylactic, so using it as a preventative measure, which is one of the things that Dr. Pierre Corey talked about on this podcast.
01:47:29.000 I forget where they use this, but there was hundreds of doctors And then there's a percentage of them that used ivermectin as a prophylactic, and there's a percentage that did not.
01:47:42.000 The percentage that did not, half of the doctors, roughly, or half of the healthcare workers got COVID. The percentage that did use it as a prophylactic, 100% did not get it.
01:47:53.000 Now, I don't know if they got lucky.
01:47:56.000 This is why you need a large study, and it's a long-term study.
01:47:59.000 I don't know.
01:48:01.000 Was their job different than the people who got it?
01:48:04.000 I don't know.
01:48:05.000 That's the problem.
01:48:06.000 I'm a fucking comedian and a cage-fighting commentator.
01:48:09.000 When I'm talking about very important issues, I have to hedge my opinions on these things.
01:48:15.000 It's tricky.
01:48:16.000 But in an environment where people aren't allowed to talk or question things, Well, for instance, My doctor.
01:48:26.000 So when I got the vaccine, I got the double.
01:48:30.000 Which one did you get?
01:48:31.000 I got the Moderna because I have an underlying health problem.
01:48:35.000 And I've talked about it before on the show.
01:48:37.000 We have talked about it, yeah.
01:48:38.000 And so my doctor, because people are like, why did you trust the government?
01:48:42.000 No, I don't trust the government.
01:48:43.000 You trust Big Pharma?
01:48:44.000 No, I don't trust Big Pharma.
01:48:45.000 I trusted my doctor.
01:48:47.000 My doctor who saved my life and said that because of your thing, you should get it because we don't know how it's going to affect you and blah, blah, blah.
01:48:53.000 So I got it.
01:48:54.000 And then, you know, the symptoms you get from it, they never went away for me.
01:49:00.000 What were your symptoms?
01:49:01.000 So I had body aches, flu-like fever, I had joint pain, I had a stiff neck.
01:49:10.000 Have you tried going in an ice bath for 20 minutes?
01:49:16.000 Sorry.
01:49:16.000 Yeah, I'm still cold.
01:49:22.000 I'm still cold.
01:49:22.000 I'm just warming up now.
01:49:23.000 It's fucking two hours in this podcast.
01:49:25.000 I can tell.
01:49:26.000 How long did it last?
01:49:29.000 How long do your symptoms last?
01:49:31.000 So on April 17th, I got the second jab, and I just never got better.
01:49:35.000 Was it immediate?
01:49:36.000 After the first jab, did you have side effects?
01:49:39.000 Yes, but it went away.
01:49:40.000 And then the second jab...
01:49:42.000 How long did they last after the first shot?
01:49:43.000 I don't remember.
01:49:45.000 A couple days?
01:49:46.000 Yeah, it was like maybe a week.
01:49:47.000 I think a week.
01:49:49.000 And then the second time, they just never went away.
01:49:52.000 And I was like, what is going on?
01:49:54.000 Because I would get these waves of exhaustion.
01:49:56.000 A couple times a day.
01:49:58.000 And then my producer had the same, at the fifth week I had a stiff neck, he got a stiff neck, my wife got a stiff neck.
01:50:04.000 And we all got the stiff neck on the side where we got the shot.
01:50:06.000 So I got it on this side, they got it on that side.
01:50:10.000 And then I looked it up and it turns out stiff neck is a thing that people experience from the jab.
01:50:15.000 And I was like, oh, I didn't know that.
01:50:16.000 They don't tell you that.
01:50:17.000 And so that's common.
01:50:18.000 I'm like, okay.
01:50:19.000 And then it spread to the whole neck.
01:50:21.000 Okay.
01:50:21.000 Now my producer and my wife, they went away.
01:50:23.000 Their stiff necks went away.
01:50:25.000 Mine didn't.
01:50:25.000 So anyway, so I go to, so I tweeted about it.
01:50:28.000 I tweeted like, hey, this is just to let everybody know, this is what's happened.
01:50:32.000 This is my reaction to the vaccine.
01:50:33.000 Yeah.
01:50:36.000 Because when people started to come on me, like, call me anti-vax.
01:50:39.000 I'm like, no, I got the vax.
01:50:41.000 I got it.
01:50:42.000 I go, when people have a reaction to an experimental vaccine that is not FDA approved, you're supposed to not suppress the reactions.
01:50:50.000 You're supposed to ask people what the reactions are so we can make the vaccines better.
01:50:54.000 That's a thing that when Jen Psaki's talking about misinformation online and combating misinformation, She distributed misinformation.
01:51:03.000 Of course.
01:51:03.000 Because she said that it's approved by the FDA in their gold standards.
01:51:06.000 She said that?
01:51:07.000 She said that.
01:51:08.000 It is not approved.
01:51:09.000 When you go to get the vaccine...
01:51:10.000 Pull that up.
01:51:11.000 Let's make sure that she said that.
01:51:13.000 I'm 99% positive she said that because I remember reading that going, you can't say that when you're the White House press secretary because that's not a true statement.
01:51:22.000 It's approved for emergency use authorization because we're in the middle of a pandemic.
01:51:28.000 Right.
01:51:28.000 We're in an emergency.
01:51:29.000 Yes, but it's not an FDA-approved...
01:51:33.000 Joe, when you go get this jab, they give you a piece of paper, and on it, in bold black letters, it says, this is not an FDA-approved vaccine.
01:51:41.000 Right.
01:51:41.000 And they say, do you see that?
01:51:43.000 And I'm like, yeah.
01:51:43.000 They go, you okay with that?
01:51:44.000 Yeah.
01:51:45.000 Yeah, I guess.
01:51:46.000 My doctor said I'm supposed to be here.
01:51:49.000 I found the transcript of it.
01:51:54.000 I didn't find the video.
01:51:55.000 Well, I'm pretty sure I saw the video, but I definitely have read the transcript, and I want this to be accurate, because it's a big accusation.
01:52:04.000 This is what she said here when someone asked about the misinformation.
01:52:06.000 What is this from?
01:52:07.000 Whitehouse.gov.
01:52:08.000 Okay.
01:52:09.000 So you know more than just a competition about vaccines, the risk impact...
01:52:13.000 Okay, here it is.
01:52:17.000 Misleads the public by falsely alleging that mRNA vaccines are untested and thus risky, even though many of them are approved and have gone through the gold standard of the FDA approval process.
01:52:29.000 That's...
01:52:30.000 Right?
01:52:31.000 That's not true.
01:52:31.000 So she's saying many of the mRNA vaccines...
01:52:35.000 Right.
01:52:35.000 There's only two that are mRNA vaccines.
01:52:37.000 It's messenger RNA. That is the Pfizer and the Moderna.
01:52:40.000 That's the ones that we use in America.
01:52:43.000 The Johnson& Johnson, it's an adenovirus vaccine.
01:52:47.000 It's different, as is the AstraZeneca, right?
01:52:51.000 The AstraZeneca, I believe, is very similar to the Johnson& Johnson.
01:52:54.000 They're different.
01:52:56.000 But the point is...
01:52:57.000 Yeah, the Johnson& Johnson uses the old technology and Moderna and Pfizer, they use those ones that was developed by DARPA. Yeah, but the point is, it's like, it's not FDA approved.
01:53:09.000 No, because that takes a while.
01:53:10.000 So if she's saying that...
01:53:13.000 Isn't that misinformation?
01:53:15.000 It is.
01:53:15.000 Seems like it.
01:53:16.000 If it says it when you get the jab and it says it in bold print.
01:53:21.000 So your experience, even though this is your personal experience and you did get vaccinated, people are so rabid online about this.
01:53:30.000 Oh my god!
01:53:30.000 It is the most divisive subject, I think, ever since Trump.
01:53:34.000 It really is.
01:53:35.000 It is a nutty, divisive subject.
01:53:39.000 And people just get furious about it, and they're furious if anybody talks about any negative side effects, even if it's accurate.
01:53:47.000 I know.
01:53:48.000 So I had tweeted about it just because I wanted to see if other people had this experience, and maybe it's just me, maybe it's not.
01:53:58.000 So I got contacted by lots of people.
01:54:02.000 Same experience.
01:54:03.000 And I got contacted by a doctor who's leading a bunch of other doctors, a group of doctors, and studying this, and they just submitted a paper on people about the vaccine, right?
01:54:12.000 And so he tells me over at DM, this is what we think is happening.
01:54:18.000 This is a spike protein you're suffering from, a spike protein thing, and blah, blah, blah.
01:54:22.000 And go to see your doctor, and hopefully your doctor will work with us and give me ivermectin and fluvoxamine I'm taking for inflammation in my brain.
01:54:30.000 You have inflammation in your brain?
01:54:32.000 Well, that's because it causes inflammation.
01:54:34.000 So the spike proteins cause inflammation.
01:54:37.000 And so they did some kind of blood test on me and they said, yeah, you got the thing.
01:54:40.000 Was it a D-dimer test?
01:54:42.000 Is that what it was?
01:54:42.000 Joe, you got me.
01:54:43.000 But they said, look, you have the same, you're right where a long-haul COVID person is.
01:54:50.000 Like whatever the markers were, I had the same thing.
01:54:52.000 You're right there.
01:54:53.000 And so I go to my doctor and I start to explain to my doctor about what this other doctor told me.
01:54:59.000 And my doctor says, oh, I'm treating five people just like you.
01:55:02.000 And one of them is a neurosurgeon and one of them is a nurse.
01:55:06.000 And they were afraid to talk about their symptoms because they were afraid to be ostracized and stigmatized.
01:55:11.000 And I'm like, what a messed up situation we're in in this culture when they politicize medicine where doctors and medical professionals are afraid to talk about their symptoms.
01:55:23.000 That's horrible!
01:55:24.000 It's also putting people in a position where big pharma is the good guy now.
01:55:30.000 Yeah!
01:55:30.000 Which has never happened before.
01:55:32.000 And especially the exact same companies that people were openly criticizing in the past and showing, pointing out lawsuits they've lost for hiding information about test results, about things that have happened during studies.
01:55:48.000 And these same people are now ignoring any possible side effects.
01:55:54.000 It's nuts.
01:55:55.000 I mean, how do we make it better?
01:55:57.000 How do we know maybe some people...
01:55:59.000 I mean, the suppression of data is not the way you improve a vaccine.
01:56:03.000 The suppression of people's symptoms and data, that is not...
01:56:07.000 And in anything, it's not how it works.
01:56:09.000 But that's how they want it to work, because of Trump.
01:56:11.000 Because if you say...
01:56:12.000 It's just crazy.
01:56:13.000 It is crazy.
01:56:14.000 Even that hydroxychloroquine, right?
01:56:16.000 Hydroxychloroquine.
01:56:17.000 Yeah, hydroxychloroquine that Trump was touting, and they were like, he's nuts because he's touting it.
01:56:21.000 I didn't know anything about...
01:56:23.000 But then, all of a sudden, studies came out that say, hey, no, that actually has been helping.
01:56:28.000 So now we have contradicting studies, right?
01:56:32.000 It was a Newsweek.
01:56:33.000 I wasn't making it.
01:56:34.000 I didn't pull it out of some crazy thing.
01:56:36.000 It's an establishment mainstream news thing.
01:56:37.000 I'm pretty sure it was Newsweek.
01:56:39.000 And I tweeted it out, and I said, hey, can we stop?
01:56:41.000 Now can we stop politicizing medical science?
01:56:44.000 Can we get back to just doing medical science again and asking questions?
01:56:48.000 How much damage did Trump do on that one conversation he had?
01:56:53.000 Do something like cleaning.
01:56:55.000 So much damage.
01:56:57.000 Put bleach right in there.
01:56:59.000 It's so much damage.
01:57:01.000 You could kill it with light.
01:57:02.000 It's going to be a miracle.
01:57:03.000 Like that one thing where people are like, what the fuck is it?
01:57:06.000 Because he was riffing.
01:57:07.000 Yes.
01:57:08.000 He was clearly riffing.
01:57:09.000 He didn't prepare for this.
01:57:10.000 He probably just got into eating a fucking double cheeseburger.
01:57:13.000 And he's like...
01:57:16.000 He's, you know, because...
01:57:18.000 He's a salesman.
01:57:19.000 He's just a big...
01:57:20.000 But because he's so divisive, like, everyone is still...
01:57:23.000 It's almost like...
01:57:24.000 Do you know, like, if you got in a fight with someone, like maybe your neighbor, and then you got in your car and there was a road incident, and you're like, get the fuck out of here!
01:57:34.000 You're already so ramped up.
01:57:36.000 Yeah.
01:57:37.000 Because of the fight you got in with your neighbor.
01:57:39.000 Yeah.
01:57:39.000 This is what the whole country's like.
01:57:41.000 That's a great analogy.
01:57:43.000 That's what it's like.
01:57:43.000 It's like the whole country just got in a fight with the neighbor, like he's putting his trash can on your lawn, like, hey, you fuck, keep him on your own side, you piece of shit, and then you're in your car, fuck!
01:57:52.000 And this is like the whole country is like at eight, out the door, out the door, in their car, already at eight, on a scale of one to ten.
01:58:00.000 They're already ready to go.
01:58:01.000 And so whether it's the vaccine, or whether it's the border wall, or whether it's kids in cages, Or what the fuck, whatever it is, everybody's so goddamn angry and ready to go.
01:58:12.000 And then you deal with the economic crisis that a giant percentage of the country just went through over the past year, and then losing loved ones to this fucking disease, and all this chaos, and so many people who...
01:58:24.000 I've never experienced like high levels of adversity and all of a sudden they're confronted with it.
01:58:29.000 If you've played it safe your whole life, you've really never done anything risky, never taken any chances, you've had a regular life and a regular job, you play it safe.
01:58:37.000 And then all of a sudden now you're fucked and you're confronted with a perhaps deadly disease that might take you out and you got all these other problems in the world and everybody's like, ah, and they don't have the coping skills.
01:58:47.000 They don't have the ability to handle these things and that's where we find ourselves as a country right now.
01:58:51.000 And it's weird because then you have that with the echo chamber aspect of social media where everybody's just looking for positive reinforcement of their own ideas and confirmation bias.
01:59:00.000 It's wild.
01:59:01.000 The confirmation bias.
01:59:03.000 But the weird thing is to see comedians that I came up with in Hollywood Become conformists, right?
01:59:09.000 And instead of being contrary and taking the outsider position, they're literally imposing the status quo on people.
01:59:19.000 It's like, you're supposed to be against the status quo if you're a comedian.
01:59:22.000 I don't know how the fuck you guys got mixed up like this, but because you voted for Joe Biden doesn't make you a good person or a rebel.
01:59:28.000 What do you think they're going to do if Biden can't make it?
01:59:31.000 Because you see that one guy- And no one talks about that he's demented.
01:59:34.000 What are the late night talk shows going to start making jokes about that?
01:59:37.000 They won't.
01:59:38.000 They're not going to?
01:59:39.000 I don't think they can.
01:59:40.000 I don't think they'll be allowed to.
01:59:41.000 You can.
01:59:42.000 I can.
01:59:42.000 Kyle Kalinske can.
01:59:44.000 I don't think most people can.
01:59:46.000 I don't think they're allowed to.
01:59:47.000 I think if they try to, you'll be censored.
01:59:52.000 I can't imagine that you could see Jimmy Kimmel talking shit about Biden and playing these clips.
01:59:57.000 Did you see that one?
01:59:59.000 Somebody posted it with him and Don Lemon, and someone just put it on Twitter.
02:00:04.000 I think I retweeted it.
02:00:04.000 With Biden and Don Lemon?
02:00:06.000 Someone posted it on Twitter.
02:00:07.000 I forget the guy's name.
02:00:08.000 He just wrote, Crushing It.
02:00:09.000 Oh, yes!
02:00:10.000 I saw that.
02:00:11.000 Crushing It.
02:00:11.000 It's wild.
02:00:12.000 Yes.
02:00:12.000 It's wild.
02:00:13.000 I mean, he's basically saying nothing.
02:00:14.000 No, he's got a stutter.
02:00:15.000 He's got a stutter!
02:00:17.000 That's not stuttering.
02:00:18.000 That's an incoherent sentence.
02:00:20.000 He can't get a point across.
02:00:21.000 He doesn't have a point.
02:00:23.000 It seems like he's just trying to make word salad and trying to get through this conversation.
02:00:28.000 And Don Lemon is like nodding as if everything he said makes sense because he has to.
02:00:33.000 Joe Biden, now they're saying he's making the decisions on who to bomb.
02:00:37.000 Joe Biden.
02:00:38.000 Joe Biden is making the decisions on who to bomb.
02:00:40.000 Joe Biden gets stuck in a couch half the day.
02:00:42.000 I don't think he gets to choose what flavor ice cream he likes.
02:00:45.000 I don't think so either.
02:00:46.000 But there was a guy that was from the Obama administration, or who it was, who was saying that he doesn't think he's going to make it in the next year.
02:00:55.000 So he doesn't think he's going to make it to a year into the White House.
02:00:58.000 He said within a year he'll be removed.
02:01:00.000 He's already as bad as Reagan was at the end of his second term.
02:01:03.000 I mean, that's how bad he is going in.
02:01:05.000 Yeah.
02:01:05.000 I think it's worse.
02:01:07.000 I'm going to be honest.
02:01:07.000 I think it's worse.
02:01:08.000 It seems worse.
02:01:09.000 It does seem worse.
02:01:09.000 And I don't know what happens then because I don't know what will happen if Kamala Harris becomes the president.
02:01:16.000 I don't know if people are going to accept that.
02:01:18.000 I don't think they want that.
02:01:21.000 They didn't in the primary.
02:01:22.000 No, she couldn't get a vote.
02:01:23.000 She couldn't get a delegate.
02:01:24.000 Nobody wants her.
02:01:25.000 I don't think we are getting...
02:01:27.000 If things become more divisive, if we get more torn, if people are saying, like, she didn't even win.
02:01:35.000 Like, how is this possible?
02:01:36.000 Right?
02:01:37.000 Right?
02:01:37.000 He won, and now she's the president.
02:01:39.000 This is madness.
02:01:40.000 And what is going to happen?
02:01:42.000 I think that people actually can...
02:01:46.000 What is going to happen, I hope, is that the populist left and the populist right do come together because of the things that we agree on.
02:01:52.000 We want to end these wars.
02:01:54.000 Nobody wants to spend a trillion dollars blowing up other countries anymore.
02:01:57.000 We want healthcare.
02:01:57.000 We want healthcare.
02:01:58.000 People want a living wage.
02:02:00.000 And I think people would like to end the drug war.
02:02:02.000 Yeah.
02:02:03.000 So that's what scares them if we come together.
02:02:07.000 That's the scariest thing to them.
02:02:09.000 You know when they killed Fred Hampton?
02:02:10.000 When did they kill Fred Hampton?
02:02:12.000 Who's Fred Hampton?
02:02:14.000 Okay, so he was a Black Panther in Chicago.
02:02:16.000 Oh, this is the FBI. Yeah, so he's an amazing, amazing guy.
02:02:20.000 Right, right, right.
02:02:23.000 Yeah.
02:02:42.000 Fred Hampton and the blacks were shit on.
02:02:44.000 And so he worked with them and he said, I had to show them that I was real.
02:02:48.000 And so when he started working with them, they were still carrying the Confederate flag.
02:02:52.000 And by after he worked with them, they dropped that shit.
02:02:54.000 And they dropped that racism stuff.
02:02:56.000 And they saw that they had a common interest.
02:02:58.000 And that's when they killed him.
02:03:00.000 When did they kill Martin Luther King?
02:03:01.000 Not when he was getting people to be able to ride in the front of the bus.
02:03:05.000 They killed him when he turned against the Vietnam War and was doing a poor people's campaign.
02:03:09.000 He was doing stuff for workers.
02:03:12.000 And that's when they killed him.
02:03:13.000 So when did they kill Malcolm X? When he realized white people are the enemy.
02:03:17.000 And we could all come together.
02:03:19.000 So as soon as, again, Joey, I saw it as soon as I interviewed a guy.
02:03:23.000 I literally trended on Twitter for three fucking days because I interviewed a guy.
02:03:26.000 People have interviewed David Duke on every goddamn news show and nobody ever trended because of it.
02:03:31.000 Twitter is so insane right now.
02:03:32.000 I interview a guy with no power.
02:03:35.000 And nobody, no power, and people went nuts.
02:03:39.000 And it just goes to show me that that's how they try to shut me down.
02:03:44.000 They can't shut me down, and they don't know what to do, and I'm not stopping.
02:03:49.000 And just like the other day when I said, we got to make the squad uncomfortable, we got to make Bernie Sanders uncomfortable, because those are the people that we have influence over.
02:03:57.000 Those are the people we helped get elected.
02:03:59.000 Those are the people who ran on Medicare for All, and those are the people who are abandoning it.
02:04:03.000 Those are the people who won't use their leverage to give us anything.
02:04:05.000 Bernie could put a hold on a bill anytime he wants, and he won't do it.
02:04:09.000 He won't go against Joe Biden.
02:04:10.000 He's acting as if Joe Biden is his boss.
02:04:14.000 And that's why we're in the position.
02:04:15.000 Look at what Joe Manchin, all the power Joe Manchin has.
02:04:18.000 Everybody laments Joe Manchin like he's running the party.
02:04:20.000 Well, he's only running the party because the donors allow him to.
02:04:23.000 And they're not going to cross them.
02:04:25.000 And that's where we're at.
02:04:27.000 Do you think it's possible?
02:04:28.000 That with the rise of independent media, that we could get to the point where the people actually do have a voice, and it's not filtered through corporate media, and that it keeps getting, like, think about where your show was.
02:04:44.000 What year did you start your show?
02:04:46.000 Well, I started on the radio in LA in like 2009. But the Jimmy Dore show...
02:04:51.000 So 2015 in December.
02:04:54.000 Okay.
02:04:54.000 So think about that, right?
02:04:55.000 Not that long ago.
02:04:56.000 Right.
02:04:57.000 Right?
02:04:58.000 Six plus years ago.
02:04:59.000 Not that long.
02:05:00.000 What do you think it's going to be in 10 years?
02:05:03.000 Right?
02:05:03.000 Think about all these different like breaking points with Crystal and Saga.
02:05:06.000 Think about what that's going to be like in 10 years.
02:05:08.000 Think of all these different shows that are independent shows.
02:05:11.000 If they get to a level where they have mainstream acceptance...
02:05:16.000 And the people do have a voice on things.
02:05:19.000 It could literally change all aspects of politics to the point where you're already looking at massively reduced ratings for a lot of these television shows now that Trump's not in office.
02:05:28.000 And people are saying, you know, Bill Burr went on this great rant the other day about how they're un-American because they literally want to talk about Trump because they want ratings.
02:05:36.000 They don't give a fuck.
02:05:36.000 Fuck about what the actual news is or what the impact of talking about is.
02:05:40.000 They just want those numbers because they're in the numbers business.
02:05:44.000 You are in the opinion business.
02:05:46.000 You are in the perspective business.
02:05:48.000 That's the difference.
02:05:50.000 Well, I'm in that business for sure, but I'm also in the, we've covered stories that other people won't cover, so we're in the fact business.
02:05:57.000 Yes, but you're in the perspective, you're looking at things, but you're, in a sense, a pure perspective.
02:06:04.000 It's just you.
02:06:05.000 It's just you and the people who work with you.
02:06:07.000 Unfettered.
02:06:08.000 That is the future, I think.
02:06:10.000 I hope so.
02:06:11.000 I really do, because your show continues to get bigger.
02:06:14.000 Crystal and Sager's new show just took out of the gates, fucking guns blazing.
02:06:18.000 This is what's happening now.
02:06:20.000 And I think it's terrifying to mainstream media, but it's not terrifying to the public.
02:06:26.000 If advertisers come around and they go, you know what?
02:06:28.000 We still make money, but we got all these fucking people just say what they say.
02:06:32.000 And there's a lot of money in being advertised on these networks.
02:06:37.000 And instead of having influence over them, you just advertise on them.
02:06:41.000 It's a change in the whole market.
02:06:44.000 I hope that happens, but it seems like, now you know, you talked about it before, how they don't recommend, so they're suppressing independent news, and even the head of YouTube bragged about it, because they call us borderline content.
02:06:55.000 And so they say that we've reduced the recommendations of borderline content by 80%.
02:07:01.000 What does that mean?
02:07:02.000 What does borderline content mean?
02:07:04.000 Anything that scares them.
02:07:05.000 It's so weird.
02:07:06.000 But realistically, I know that's a thing to say, anything that scares them, but what is that?
02:07:12.000 If they're in a meeting and they go, hey, we've got to restrict borderline content.
02:07:15.000 Well, they're talking about factual stuff.
02:07:17.000 Is that borderline?
02:07:18.000 Is borderline objective reporting of actual events as they're taking place internationally and locally?
02:07:24.000 Well, like if you said that the coronavirus was started in a lab, that would be considered borderline.
02:07:29.000 It used to be.
02:07:30.000 It used to be.
02:07:31.000 It used to be.
02:07:31.000 But now it's on the cover of Newsweek.
02:07:32.000 Yeah.
02:07:33.000 And now it's discussed openly.
02:07:34.000 So it's borderline until the establishment media reports it.
02:07:37.000 Then it's not borderline anymore.
02:07:38.000 So if I say that the Syria gas attacks weren't real or that they were as a cover-up, they're going to consider that borderline until the establishment media agrees with me.
02:07:46.000 I forgot to ask you this.
02:07:47.000 I want to go back to this, though.
02:07:49.000 Your thing with the side effects of the vaccine, you said it lasted for a month.
02:07:56.000 No, they're still lasting.
02:07:57.000 What's going on now?
02:07:58.000 So I would say I'm about 80% better.
02:08:01.000 80%?
02:08:01.000 So 80-85% better.
02:08:03.000 I still get joint pain in my neck.
02:08:06.000 It's stiff.
02:08:06.000 But the waves of exhaustion I don't have anymore, and that's really important to me.
02:08:10.000 And I don't get the, like, fever.
02:08:12.000 You know how when you have a fever, everything hurts?
02:08:14.000 Yes.
02:08:14.000 So I had that, but that's gone now.
02:08:16.000 For a month.
02:08:17.000 A little more.
02:08:18.000 More.
02:08:18.000 Yeah, so at least probably...
02:08:21.000 Month and a half at least, maybe two.
02:08:23.000 And they treated you with, say the drugs again?
02:08:26.000 So ivermectin and then fluvoxamine.
02:08:29.000 And fluvoxamine is an antidepressant, but it also has anti-inflammatory properties.
02:08:33.000 And so I go, why am I taking an anti-inflammatory?
02:08:35.000 And they go, no, that's for the inflammation in your brain, in case you have it.
02:08:38.000 And how does the ivermectin affect...
02:08:40.000 That's how you get brain fog.
02:08:41.000 That's from inflammation in your brain.
02:08:42.000 How does the ivermectin work?
02:08:44.000 What are they saying?
02:08:45.000 So they told me, again, I'm just an idiot.
02:08:48.000 Both of us.
02:08:48.000 Yeah, both of us are idiots.
02:08:49.000 So they were telling me that they think that I have suffering from the same spike protein thing that you get when you get COVID, and that this somehow, the way they explained it to me, that this will go and clean out a macrophage, like the spike protein embeds itself in a macrophage,
02:09:04.000 and then, so this goes in there and cleans it out somehow.
02:09:07.000 Is this a controversial treatment?
02:09:09.000 I think yes.
02:09:11.000 Because I know a guy who just got the COVID, and I told him, hey, you should get the ivermectin, and he said, I just talked to three doctors and they won't prescribe it.
02:09:19.000 But here's what's weird to me.
02:09:20.000 I thought that one of the ways that they've treated what they call long COVID is with the vaccine.
02:09:27.000 Oh, really?
02:09:27.000 Yeah, one of the effective uses of the vaccine is it's helped people with long COVID. Which is, whatever the fuck that is.
02:09:36.000 It's long COVID. It means that you don't get better.
02:09:37.000 Right.
02:09:38.000 But are they specific symptoms that are across the board with everyone who has this thing that they're calling?
02:09:44.000 You know what I'm saying?
02:09:45.000 Like, if you have the flu, oh, hey Jimmy, you got the flu.
02:09:48.000 We know what you have.
02:09:49.000 If you have long COVID, what exactly does that mean?
02:09:52.000 What's causing that?
02:09:53.000 I think that means you have the spike proteins.
02:09:55.000 What was explained to me is that it's like a dump truck, these spike proteins full of garbage, and they go around your body creating inflammation wherever they go.
02:10:03.000 And I have read that for long COVID, the vaccine has been effective.
02:10:09.000 Really?
02:10:10.000 Yeah, let's see if we can find that.
02:10:11.000 Because I'm very sure that I've read that.
02:10:14.000 Wow.
02:10:14.000 It's one of the benefits of the vaccine, was that people with long COVID who suffered from COVID and then took the vaccine, it actually helped them.
02:10:22.000 And more than one...
02:10:23.000 I mean, I don't know if it's true.
02:10:24.000 So they say...
02:10:25.000 See, why vaccines may be helping some with long COVID. Wow, there it is.
02:10:28.000 Yale researcher is eager to find answers.
02:10:30.000 That is wild.
02:10:32.000 Yeah, it's wild.
02:10:33.000 So this is one of the things about this fucking disease.
02:10:35.000 It's so weird.
02:10:36.000 See, when symptoms linger for weeks or even months, persistent and unpredictable symptoms, long COVID. Why might the vaccine help some people?
02:10:45.000 Are some vaccines better at this than others?
02:10:47.000 Could a tool designed for prevention also serve as a treatment?
02:10:49.000 So, Aikiko Iwasaki, PhD professor of immunobiology at Yale School of Medicine and a major contributor to the existing body of COVID-19 research is among those now focused on generating hard data on vaccinated long haulers to help answer these questions.
02:11:07.000 She is currently working with other scientists to launch what she predicts will be a large collaborative study at Yale.
02:11:13.000 So, they're trying to figure this out.
02:11:15.000 But that's the thing about this disease.
02:11:18.000 It's like...
02:11:19.000 Whether or not it came out of a lab, it seems likely that that's a possibility at least.
02:11:24.000 It's a fucking weird disease, man.
02:11:26.000 It's weird.
02:11:27.000 Some people lose their sense of smell.
02:11:29.000 Some people don't.
02:11:30.000 Some people get horrible headaches and body aches.
02:11:32.000 Some people don't get shit.
02:11:34.000 I have a lot of friends that caught it and it just went in and out of their system.
02:11:37.000 My real estate lady, she didn't feel anything.
02:11:40.000 She had to get tested three times with the PCR tests and they said, yeah, you have it.
02:11:44.000 She's like, okay, I guess I have it.
02:11:46.000 She didn't feel a damn thing.
02:11:48.000 Yeah, I know both sides too.
02:11:50.000 It's great.
02:11:51.000 It's weird.
02:11:52.000 It's a crazy disease.
02:11:57.000 No.
02:12:17.000 And so anybody getting mad, but people did get mad at me for saying this.
02:12:21.000 It's crazy.
02:12:22.000 About your own body.
02:12:23.000 About my own body.
02:12:23.000 People say I was making it up.
02:12:24.000 People said I was making it up.
02:12:26.000 I'm like, no, I'm trying to help everybody.
02:12:28.000 And now I have to stick my chin out to do this.
02:12:30.000 Now I have to take fucking kicks in the chin from trying to help everybody because I'm already fucked.
02:12:35.000 I already have this problem.
02:12:36.000 Go ahead.
02:12:37.000 There's so many instances online of fake accounts I don't know how they're created.
02:12:47.000 I don't know what the purpose of them is, but there's documented multiple fake accounts, some of them with check marks, and that these fake accounts will go and go after a certain narrative.
02:13:00.000 And they'll either be a proponent or an opponent of certain narratives.
02:13:05.000 And it's so confusing because, like, is this happening?
02:13:08.000 Are these foreign entities?
02:13:10.000 Are these intelligence groups?
02:13:13.000 Because here's the thing about social media.
02:13:15.000 We know that it has insane amounts of power to influence people.
02:13:19.000 But we also know that the government knows this.
02:13:21.000 And we also know that foreign governments know this.
02:13:24.000 And corporations know this.
02:13:25.000 And yes, and corporations know this.
02:13:28.000 And we know that foreign governments, at least we know from the research that's done on the IRA in Russia.
02:13:36.000 You know that internet research agency?
02:13:38.000 Yeah.
02:13:39.000 Where Renee DiResta has extensive coverage of this.
02:13:43.000 And I had her on the podcast.
02:13:44.000 It's wild shit.
02:13:46.000 And Sam Harris had her on his podcast.
02:13:47.000 That's how I found out about her.
02:13:49.000 It's crazy how much she's found out.
02:13:53.000 Hundreds of thousands of memes.
02:13:55.000 All these different accounts.
02:13:57.000 All designed to manipulate narratives and to get people to argue for or against things and to make conflict, to put people against each other.
02:14:07.000 But I was under the understanding that the establishment wanted you to think that that was the government of Russia trying to do that to control our elections when in reality it was just a troll farm built to make accounts that you would follow and then they would spam you and they would try to sell you shit.
02:14:25.000 Wasn't that what IRA was?
02:14:27.000 It's both.
02:14:28.000 I think it's a lot of different things.
02:14:30.000 I think they definitely were using memes and they were definitely using fan pages.
02:14:38.000 They would put up a fan page of something that was very popular and they would get people to sign up for this fan page and then they would switch what the fan page is used for and then use it to promote certain ideas.
02:14:49.000 And they would pit people against each other.
02:14:51.000 They had a Texas separatist meeting that they organized across the street from a pro-Muslim meeting.
02:14:56.000 They did it on purpose.
02:14:57.000 It's almost like they're playing with people.
02:15:00.000 What is the end goal?
02:15:02.000 Is there many end goals?
02:15:04.000 Is it just to make unrest?
02:15:07.000 Is it some sort of long plan to get us at each other's throats?
02:15:10.000 Because it's fucking working.
02:15:11.000 If that's what the plan was, if the plan by all these foreign governments is to make Americans and pit them against each other like rabid dogs and use the fact that there are these echo chambers on the internet, And, you know, that's a terrible way to talk to people.
02:15:26.000 Online, when no one's there, in text, you have no idea what the context is.
02:15:31.000 You don't see their expression.
02:15:32.000 There's no social cues.
02:15:34.000 You don't know what kind of a person is writing this.
02:15:36.000 Who are they?
02:15:37.000 Are they crazy?
02:15:38.000 Are they kind?
02:15:39.000 Are they really fed up?
02:15:41.000 Are they being sarcastic?
02:15:43.000 You really don't fucking know.
02:15:48.000 Again, I'm not afraid of this stuff.
02:15:53.000 I think a lot of it is hyped up to make you afraid.
02:16:00.000 I'm sure when the printing press was invented, everybody was scared anybody could go print a paper.
02:16:06.000 Anybody could do it, and it's just like, to me, that's just what the Facebook is, Twitter, YouTube, it's just a printing press, and everybody could go print stuff.
02:16:14.000 But there's guys like that guy Brooklyn Dad Defiant, who's on Twitter, and it got outed that he's being paid by these nefarious organizations and stuff to tweet stuff.
02:16:25.000 He's being paid to tweet?
02:16:27.000 He was being paid, it came up.
02:16:28.000 Is this proved?
02:16:28.000 Yeah.
02:16:29.000 Can you pull that up and find that?
02:16:31.000 I've seen that guy, I've seen posts from him that he seems like he's a very popular Twitter.
02:16:36.000 20,000 likes, 50,000 likes, 170,000 likes on shit.
02:16:40.000 So how does that work?
02:16:42.000 Do you start off paid or do you start off popular?
02:16:46.000 No, I don't know how you start off.
02:16:47.000 You know what I'm saying?
02:16:48.000 Do they identify the popular guys and then go for them?
02:16:51.000 Right.
02:16:52.000 He's very progressive, right?
02:16:54.000 No.
02:16:54.000 No?
02:16:55.000 He's a democratic establishment defender.
02:16:58.000 Oh.
02:16:58.000 So, but he might, he probably, you know, it's a head fake of progressiveness.
02:17:02.000 Just like the squad.
02:17:03.000 Hey, we're for Medicare for all.
02:17:05.000 So it's like when a corporation is LBGTQ friendly.
02:17:08.000 Yes, that's right.
02:17:09.000 But they're dropping bombs overseas.
02:17:11.000 That's right.
02:17:11.000 Right.
02:17:11.000 That's it.
02:17:12.000 Yeah.
02:17:12.000 It's a weird little flag to fly while you're killing people, right?
02:17:16.000 And it's a weird thing, isn't it, Joe?
02:17:17.000 They're doing that now.
02:17:18.000 They're celebrating the LGBTQ in the military.
02:17:20.000 It was like a joke we used to make, and now they're actually doing it.
02:17:23.000 Okay, here it is.
02:17:24.000 The controversy behind the Brooklyn Dad Defiant is weirder than you'd think.
02:17:27.000 It's weirder than you'd think.
02:17:29.000 With nearly 900,000 followers.
02:17:33.000 How do you say his name?
02:17:34.000 Majid...
02:17:35.000 Paddelen?
02:17:36.000 Paddelen?
02:17:37.000 Paddelen?
02:17:39.000 One of Twitter's most vocal supporters of Joe Biden.
02:17:43.000 So that's not a progressive.
02:17:43.000 Fucking red flag.
02:17:45.000 Yeah.
02:17:45.000 It comes with some confusion, though, as the account prides itself on being a whistleblower and a steadfast liberal.
02:17:52.000 Huh.
02:17:53.000 He served backlash from leftists, among other things, urging Bernie Sanders to drop out.
02:17:57.000 So he's not, right?
02:17:58.000 So he's an establishment tool.
02:18:00.000 He's a tool of the establishment.
02:18:01.000 And discrediting Tara Reade's allegations of sexual assault.
02:18:03.000 He accepted tens of thousands in donations from a Democratic PAC. There it is.
02:18:09.000 Wow.
02:18:10.000 Right?
02:18:11.000 There you go.
02:18:11.000 He got $60,000 in 2020. In his bio, he says that he works for a PAC as a senior advisor.
02:18:17.000 So there you go.
02:18:18.000 So, okay.
02:18:20.000 But that's what's interesting about social media, right?
02:18:22.000 Is that they can get someone who's a good writer, who writes things that resonate with people, and either he's always...
02:18:31.000 Done that, and that's why he does it, or they find you and they give you money.
02:18:36.000 Like when you're talking about the squad, you're talking about people with all these radical ideas and very progressive ideas, but then they get into office, and they go, wait a minute, all I have to do is five years?
02:18:44.000 That's it, right?
02:18:45.000 Five years, I get Medicare for Life.
02:18:46.000 And you still rock the boat.
02:18:47.000 I get a health care for life.
02:18:48.000 And a pension for life.
02:18:49.000 And how much do you get Hillary for one of them talks?
02:18:52.000 Right.
02:18:52.000 How much of them talks?
02:18:53.000 What kind of a house does Nancy Pelosi have?
02:18:56.000 How does she do that?
02:18:57.000 Nancy Pelosi's a hundred millionaire.
02:18:59.000 Yeah.
02:18:59.000 And how did that happen?
02:19:01.000 How did that happen?
02:19:02.000 Please explain.
02:19:02.000 So Truman said that the only people who get rich while in government are crooks.
02:19:06.000 And Nancy Pelosi became a hundred millionaire since she's been in government.
02:19:09.000 So you tell me.
02:19:10.000 Right now, we just did another story, how she made all this money off of these visors, these night vision visors that were given to a company.
02:19:20.000 She invested in that company right before they announced it.
02:19:23.000 And that came from the government.
02:19:24.000 Well, her husband invested, right?
02:19:26.000 Yeah, that's what they did.
02:19:27.000 But she doesn't talk to her husband because that would be unethical.
02:19:28.000 They never talk.
02:19:29.000 There's no way they would talk about...
02:19:31.000 They wouldn't.
02:19:31.000 That would be unethical.
02:19:32.000 It's very unethical.
02:19:33.000 And it would be kind of insider trading, which she would not do.
02:19:36.000 Which she would not do.
02:19:37.000 She also would, when they tell her to wear a mask, she wears a mask.
02:19:40.000 And when beauty salons are shut down, she definitely...
02:19:45.000 Doesn't go to a beauty salon when they're shut down with no mask on because that would be bad.
02:19:49.000 That would be bad.
02:19:50.000 And she's the one who stopped people from getting the $2,000 checks as a win over Trump.
02:19:55.000 My favorite thing was when she said that they should apologize to her because they set her up.
02:19:59.000 Yeah!
02:20:00.000 Yeah, she was a victim.
02:20:01.000 Because it was a setup.
02:20:01.000 She was a victim.
02:20:02.000 And everybody just went, okay.
02:20:03.000 Okay.
02:20:04.000 She's good enough.
02:20:05.000 Good enough.
02:20:05.000 They just let it slide because she's a Democrat.
02:20:08.000 It's so wild what people get away with.
02:20:10.000 And they just let stuff slide.
02:20:12.000 Like, okay, that's a narrative I can get behind.
02:20:15.000 How much different is Nancy Pelosi than, say, Mitch McConnell or somebody...
02:20:19.000 Mitch McConnell doesn't want you to have Medicare for All?
02:20:21.000 Neither does Nancy Pelosi.
02:20:23.000 Mitch McConnell doesn't want you to have living wage?
02:20:25.000 Neither does Nancy Pelosi.
02:20:26.000 Mitch McConnell wants to keep the wars going?
02:20:28.000 So does Nancy Pelosi.
02:20:29.000 Mitch McConnell wants to keep pot of schedule?
02:20:31.000 So does Nancy Pelosi.
02:20:32.000 What is going on?
02:20:34.000 What is going on?
02:20:34.000 What are the big...
02:20:35.000 There's no...
02:20:35.000 What are the big differences?
02:20:36.000 Oh, Nancy Pelosi will wear an LGBTQ flag scarf or something.
02:20:42.000 My favorite.
02:20:42.000 My favorite one was when her and Chuck Schumer wore the African garb and got on their knees and it turned out that the very patterns that they wore were from a tribe that was actively involved at the time in the slave trade.
02:20:57.000 No kidding.
02:20:58.000 Did you know that?
02:20:58.000 No, I didn't know that.
02:20:59.000 See if you can find that.
02:21:00.000 Make sure that's true.
02:21:01.000 I remember when they did the kneel, they took a knee and they were all- With the garb on.
02:21:05.000 So this is what identity politics- Yeah, exactly.
02:21:08.000 It's so obvious.
02:21:11.000 So you know what would help, I think, black people more than anything in the United States?
02:21:15.000 A living wage, Medicare for all, free college, end of the drug war.
02:21:21.000 I think that would help them more than anything.
02:21:23.000 But what did Joe Biden do?
02:21:24.000 He gave them a Juneteenth holiday.
02:21:26.000 I bet you people would rather trade that for all those things I just said.
02:21:29.000 So that's the identity politics.
02:21:31.000 And the joke that I have is I say that if it was 1860, the Democrats would be bragging about their first transgendered slave owner.
02:21:41.000 Because that's where we're at.
02:21:42.000 Wow.
02:21:43.000 And I'm so afraid to talk about that stuff, I don't even like to talk about trans fans.
02:21:47.000 That's how I feel.
02:21:49.000 Whatever kind of fat you want to be, that's fine.
02:21:53.000 You want to go from a mono to a polyunsaturated, that's none of my fucking...
02:21:57.000 There's a lot of people that are terrified to talk about so many subjects because they've made these subjects third rails.
02:22:03.000 Yes.
02:22:03.000 Even discuss them.
02:22:04.000 Even just discussing them in terms of the actual facts behind them.
02:22:09.000 You're not even allowed to.
02:22:10.000 I know, right?
02:22:11.000 It gets wild.
02:22:13.000 Everybody's afraid.
02:22:13.000 Everybody's afraid to get canceled, and everybody's afraid.
02:22:16.000 But that's why people are drawn to us.
02:22:18.000 Yeah.
02:22:18.000 It's because we show more courage most of the time, and we actually do talk about stuff.
02:22:23.000 Like, me just talking about my experience with the vaccine.
02:22:26.000 Most people are afraid.
02:22:27.000 I know that I'm going to get shit on for that, and people already did it to me.
02:22:31.000 Yeah, just stay off Twitter for a few days.
02:22:32.000 Did we find anything about the African stuff?
02:22:34.000 I just found a thing that's fact-checking what you said.
02:22:38.000 Oh, okay.
02:22:40.000 But that's the problem.
02:22:42.000 That is the problem with politics in this country.
02:22:46.000 People are so fooled by the smoke and mirrors of, here, I'll give you a holiday.
02:22:50.000 Here, I'll do this.
02:22:51.000 Hey, why don't you help me?
02:22:52.000 Why don't you help me get health care when I need it?
02:22:53.000 How about, so I don't have to get tied to this shit job.
02:22:56.000 So now I have freedom to go be an entrepreneur and actually make America better.
02:23:00.000 Right, right.
02:23:00.000 Because you don't have to get tied to a job in order to get healthcare.
02:23:04.000 That's right.
02:23:04.000 But this is like what we were talking about before about these echo chambers and also about being attacked on social media that makes it so dangerous to share and exchange ideas.
02:23:15.000 Because you can't find out what's true unless people get to discuss things.
02:23:19.000 That's right.
02:23:19.000 There's only one way to find out who's right.
02:23:22.000 You hear both sides present their story and present their argument, then you have real accurate facts.
02:23:32.000 You have to know who's telling the truth and what's true and what's not true in terms of reporting on whatever incident you're discussing, and then people get to decide.
02:23:43.000 This particular story goes very deep with what you're saying, but yeah.
02:23:47.000 Okay, it says, fact check, yes, Kenty cloths were historically worn by empire involved in West African slave trade.
02:23:55.000 Of course.
02:23:55.000 So, of course.
02:23:56.000 It's almost like whoever gave it to them...
02:23:58.000 Did it as its own?
02:23:59.000 Yeah.
02:23:59.000 Like, here, put this on.
02:24:00.000 Perfect.
02:24:01.000 I mean, come on.
02:24:02.000 I mean, what are the odds?
02:24:04.000 I mean, you know, there's a lot of people that work for the Democratic Party that work inside that probably had like these very lofty ideals about saving the world and being progressive and we're going to make the world a better place.
02:24:14.000 And then they get inside and they're like, holy shit!
02:24:19.000 You know, I mean, it must be like that.
02:24:21.000 Save yourself!
02:24:22.000 I'm dead already!
02:24:23.000 How much of House of Cards was a documentary?
02:24:26.000 Right.
02:24:27.000 I only watched the pilot episode, and I stopped watching it.
02:24:30.000 Fucking great show.
02:24:31.000 Goddamn, that's a great show.
02:24:32.000 I should have watched it more.
02:24:34.000 I just didn't like it.
02:24:35.000 I don't know why I didn't like it.
02:24:35.000 I'm the only guy in the world that didn't like me.
02:24:37.000 Maybe it's too close to home.
02:24:39.000 Maybe that was it, because I hated them, everybody in that pilot.
02:24:43.000 Oh, yeah.
02:24:44.000 I hated them.
02:24:44.000 Of course you hated them.
02:24:45.000 I mean, he was evil.
02:24:46.000 Yes, and his wife.
02:24:47.000 And his wife.
02:24:47.000 Yes, they're both evil, but that was the point.
02:24:50.000 Yeah.
02:24:51.000 It's like Tony Soprano showed us that you could be a murderer and still be the star.
02:24:55.000 Yeah.
02:24:56.000 Right?
02:24:56.000 You could be an evil murderer and still be the guy that people look to to be the star.
02:25:03.000 It's weird.
02:25:04.000 And you still have a soft spot for the ducks that come into your pool.
02:25:07.000 Yeah.
02:25:09.000 The ducks were symbolic of something else.
02:25:13.000 I'm not an animal.
02:25:14.000 I like ducks.
02:25:16.000 That's a pretty good impression.
02:25:18.000 That's not bad.
02:25:20.000 Can you believe how long that show's been off the air?
02:25:22.000 I think it went off the air in 2008. I forget every now and then that he's dead.
02:25:25.000 Yeah, me too.
02:25:26.000 I forget.
02:25:27.000 I loved him.
02:25:28.000 He was so good on that show.
02:25:29.000 That was one of the greatest characters in the history of television.
02:25:33.000 Him as Tony Soprano was so goddamn believable.
02:25:36.000 He was such a good actor.
02:25:39.000 I think TV Guide put it at the top TV show of all time.
02:25:43.000 I think somebody did one of those things where it was considered the best TV show of all time.
02:25:46.000 You know what's amazing?
02:25:47.000 If you go back and watch the first episode, it was basically a comedy.
02:25:51.000 Did you ever watch the first episode?
02:25:52.000 Oh my god, it was like they were doing comedy, because they're like, oh, they're all doing the...
02:25:56.000 Yeah.
02:25:57.000 Remember the wife had a fucking machine gun, and someone was climbing up the stairs, and she had a machine gun on them?
02:26:01.000 I don't remember.
02:26:01.000 It was like a mob parody.
02:26:04.000 It was almost.
02:26:05.000 Yeah.
02:26:05.000 And it was like there was a couple episodes where there were too much on the comedy.
02:26:09.000 A little bit.
02:26:09.000 Yeah, but it was funny.
02:26:11.000 Yeah, but then it got super serious.
02:26:13.000 Then it got real.
02:26:13.000 Fuck, it was good.
02:26:15.000 Fuck, it was good.
02:26:16.000 Every week, couldn't wait.
02:26:17.000 Oh, here it's on.
02:26:19.000 You know, the fucking song would play, and you're like, oh, here we go.
02:26:22.000 It was such a good show.
02:26:24.000 Yeah, I mean, it's almost like, and then, you know, obviously this was on HBO at the time, and there wasn't a Netflix back then.
02:26:31.000 If it did exist, it didn't exist to the extent it existed now, where they have so many Netflix series.
02:26:35.000 I watch Netflix now, and I'm like, what is this?
02:26:38.000 It's got 15 series, 15 seasons.
02:26:40.000 What the fuck is this?
02:26:42.000 And it's good.
02:26:42.000 You're like, oh, I got so much to watch.
02:26:44.000 I don't watch anything.
02:26:45.000 No.
02:26:46.000 I don't.
02:26:46.000 It's just so fragmented.
02:26:48.000 I just go to YouTube.
02:26:48.000 Let's watch the car crash.
02:26:50.000 And then you can go to Amazon.
02:26:51.000 They have their own network, too.
02:26:53.000 Yes.
02:26:53.000 Amazon Prime.
02:26:54.000 There's fucking millions of shows on there, too.
02:26:56.000 It's crazy.
02:26:57.000 Again, there's too much stuff.
02:26:59.000 I don't know how people...
02:27:00.000 That's why a show like this is such a big deal, because it's one thing that a lot of people are watching.
02:27:05.000 You know, like in the 70s and 80s, there used to be 20 million viewers for a regular TV show.
02:27:11.000 Right.
02:27:11.000 Now, it's not a couple million, right, for anything.
02:27:13.000 They're lucky.
02:27:14.000 And you have a hit show.
02:27:15.000 Yeah.
02:27:15.000 Well, if you're a cable show, it's a couple hundred thousand.
02:27:17.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:27:18.000 I mean, they were talking about key demographics on this one CNN show, and it was like, they had 100,000 people.
02:27:25.000 That's crazy.
02:27:26.000 Less viewers than one of my videos.
02:27:27.000 That's crazy.
02:27:28.000 If one of your videos got 100,000, you'd be like, oh my God, I'm shadow banned.
02:27:33.000 Right?
02:27:33.000 Well, I am.
02:27:34.000 You know, they kept my subscriber count at about 868,000 for about three months.
02:27:39.000 So they really put the screws.
02:27:41.000 How do they do that?
02:27:42.000 On me.
02:27:42.000 So what they do is they unsubscribe people from your channel.
02:27:44.000 On purpose?
02:27:46.000 Yeah.
02:27:46.000 So I don't know what the exact algorithm is, but that's what they do.
02:27:49.000 And I would tell people, hey, people would always tell me, hey, I was unsubscribed.
02:27:54.000 My own producer got unsubscribed from our show.
02:27:56.000 Whoa.
02:27:57.000 And so they do that.
02:27:58.000 They go, oh, we're getting rid of dead accounts.
02:28:00.000 That's not what they're doing.
02:28:01.000 What they're doing is they're trying to keep independent news.
02:28:04.000 This is my theory.
02:28:05.000 They're trying to keep independent news under a million subscribers because they don't want another hit piece from CNN or the Washington Post or New York Times saying, look at all these million subscriber borderline shows.
02:28:16.000 And they got over a million.
02:28:17.000 So they want to keep us.
02:28:18.000 It seems like that way.
02:28:19.000 So they don't get attacked.
02:28:20.000 Because they did the same thing to Kyle, like his growth stopped.
02:28:24.000 When he told me one day, he texted me, hey, they're really killing me.
02:28:27.000 And I looked at my numbers and I was like, me too.
02:28:30.000 So they must have put an extra ratchet on there.
02:28:32.000 So I finally got up to like 872 maybe the other day.
02:28:35.000 So they're definitely, I've definitely got over a million subscribers.
02:28:38.000 Let's see what happens after this.
02:28:40.000 I've definitely got over, you know what I mean?
02:28:41.000 Let's see if after this show you get a bump or not, you know?
02:28:44.000 And I can just tell by my ticket sales.
02:28:46.000 I feel like I got out just in time.
02:28:48.000 From YouTube?
02:28:49.000 Yeah, I really do.
02:28:50.000 I would love Spotify to make me an offer.
02:28:52.000 Mr. Spotify, wherever you are, please make me an offer.
02:28:55.000 I would love to.
02:28:56.000 Well, they're making offers.
02:28:57.000 They just have that fucking Call Me Daddy or Call Her Daddy.
02:29:01.000 What is it?
02:29:01.000 Call Her Daddy?
02:29:02.000 Call Her Daddy?
02:29:03.000 That show, the Dax Shepard show, that's over there now, too.
02:29:06.000 Oh, really?
02:29:07.000 Yeah, there's a lot of shows that they've taken.
02:29:11.000 Yeah, I would like to get away from these.
02:29:13.000 Every day, I'm afraid.
02:29:14.000 You never know.
02:29:15.000 They're taking down people's channels for videos they did eight years ago.
02:29:18.000 Right.
02:29:19.000 Exactly.
02:29:19.000 That shouldn't happen.
02:29:20.000 It's weird.
02:29:21.000 That's not right.
02:29:22.000 Well, it doesn't make sense, but again, I think some of it is they're managing its scale, but also they're the only game in town, which is crazy.
02:29:29.000 How is there one...
02:29:30.000 YouTube.
02:29:30.000 ...big-time video platform where you can upload your own videos?
02:29:34.000 I mean, there's Vimeo.
02:29:35.000 There's a few other ones.
02:29:36.000 Yeah, but they're not...
02:29:37.000 Nothing's comparable.
02:29:39.000 Even with...
02:29:39.000 Even with YouTube suppressing the shit out of us with the algorithm, it's still a better platform than any other platform.
02:29:46.000 Dude, like I said, I had my podcast.
02:29:47.000 I started in 2009 with my radio show, and I just sold handfuls of tickets for years.
02:29:55.000 And then as soon as I got on YouTube, Immediately.
02:29:59.000 It was just like overnight, I'm like, this platform is way superior than every other distribution platform, YouTube.
02:30:06.000 So you've got to go on it.
02:30:07.000 And there really isn't a competitor to it.
02:30:09.000 I mean, there are people who claim they're competitors, but they're not.
02:30:12.000 There's no comparison.
02:30:13.000 But the thing that's brilliant about YouTube is their algorithm that recommends things similar to what you've already watched.
02:30:19.000 I don't get recommended you at all anymore.
02:30:20.000 I have to go find you.
02:30:22.000 My recommendations, it's all like people kicking the shit out of each other and muscle cars and playing pool because I like to watch pool videos.
02:30:31.000 That's like most of my recommendations.
02:30:33.000 It's like you're not on there anymore.
02:30:35.000 Kyle's not on there anymore.
02:30:36.000 I have to go to your channel specifically to find you.
02:30:39.000 So people have to seek me out.
02:30:40.000 Yeah.
02:30:41.000 And I used to get way bigger numbers before.
02:30:43.000 I would, on the regular, do a video that got 800,000 or a million or something.
02:30:47.000 Or the Barry Weiss video that got 5.1 million.
02:30:50.000 That's never going to happen again.
02:30:51.000 Right.
02:30:51.000 That's never happened.
02:30:52.000 It's so weird that there's only one platform like that.
02:30:57.000 It seems like it's a no-brainer for someone to create a platform and say, hey, there's obviously some sort of suppression or some sort of censorship here that a lot of people are not...
02:31:06.000 Agreeable to.
02:31:06.000 Like, let's create another platform and let's get a lot of money behind it because there's so much money in YouTube.
02:31:12.000 I mean, YouTube is just fucking printing money.
02:31:14.000 They're making so much loot.
02:31:16.000 I know.
02:31:16.000 Well, isn't Google the most profitable company in the history of the world?
02:31:19.000 If it's not, Apple is, right?
02:31:20.000 I think it's Google.
02:31:21.000 I think Google is by phone.
02:31:22.000 It's crazy.
02:31:23.000 Yeah, and then there's, of course, Apple.
02:31:25.000 Yeah, I mean, power is concentrated right now.
02:31:28.000 Yeah.
02:31:29.000 Well, I guess it always has been, but we used to have, before the Telecommunications Act, you know.
02:31:34.000 So do you ever get that Jay Leno car show recommended to you?
02:31:36.000 Yeah, that gets recommended to me.
02:31:39.000 Well, we were talking about Jay Leno's car show.
02:31:41.000 Like, that is such a good show.
02:31:44.000 Jay Leno's garage.
02:31:45.000 So watchable.
02:31:46.000 And what you were saying is that it's great because he fucking loves cars.
02:31:50.000 Loves cars.
02:31:50.000 And you can tell.
02:31:51.000 And he loves comedians.
02:31:53.000 He loves comics.
02:31:53.000 Jay loves He's comedians and he loves cars.
02:31:55.000 Those are two things he should be doing the show about.
02:31:57.000 Exactly.
02:31:57.000 I love talking cars with him.
02:31:59.000 I mean, when I came on with my Corvette and we were talking about...
02:32:03.000 I have a 1965 Corvette and we were talking about that ear and all these different cars.
02:32:06.000 And you see his mind start spinning and all the sparks are flying.
02:32:10.000 He loves it!
02:32:11.000 And I was talking to him about it.
02:32:13.000 I'm like, my God, man, you're so good at this.
02:32:15.000 Like, this is so...
02:32:16.000 Because it resonates with him.
02:32:18.000 People can tell.
02:32:19.000 I can tell.
02:32:20.000 I can tell because I watch the show.
02:32:22.000 I'm like, I want to watch it.
02:32:23.000 Do you ever see Bill Hicks' bit about him interviewing Joey Lawrence and blowing his brains out?
02:32:28.000 You dating?
02:32:30.000 You dating?
02:32:31.000 And then he blows his brains out and forms an NBC Peacock because he's a company man to the bitter end.
02:32:36.000 But that is, I mean, that's what it is.
02:32:39.000 It's like he was in this position where he had to promote these things that he didn't really care about.
02:32:44.000 But now he promotes something he loves.
02:32:46.000 He fucking loves cartoons.
02:32:48.000 Cars.
02:32:48.000 And he's been hanging out at the club that I hang out at, right?
02:32:50.000 Which club is that?
02:32:51.000 I started hanging out at Flappers in Burbank.
02:32:54.000 Wow.
02:32:54.000 And he used to go to the Comedy Magic Club.
02:32:58.000 Yeah, Hermosa Beach.
02:32:59.000 But it didn't reopen after COVID. It didn't?
02:33:01.000 No.
02:33:02.000 It's not open?
02:33:03.000 No, neither is the Ice House.
02:33:04.000 What?
02:33:05.000 Yeah.
02:33:05.000 The Ice House got bought by that guy who owns the Lakers bus.
02:33:09.000 I think it's his son.
02:33:10.000 Or somebody.
02:33:11.000 Yeah.
02:33:11.000 So it's got big money, so they're not reopening.
02:33:12.000 I don't know why.
02:33:13.000 And so same thing with the Comedy Magical.
02:33:16.000 Why isn't the Comedy Magical open again?
02:33:18.000 I don't know.
02:33:19.000 I love that club.
02:33:20.000 Oh, it's a great club.
02:33:21.000 Yeah, I love that club.
02:33:22.000 Mike Lacy's the nicest guy on the planet.
02:33:24.000 The nicest guy that's ever lived.
02:33:25.000 Both guys, amazing.
02:33:26.000 They treat you great when you go down there.
02:33:28.000 Fantastic.
02:33:28.000 The food is amazing.
02:33:29.000 It is.
02:33:30.000 The atmosphere is incredible.
02:33:31.000 The food is like a delicious restaurant.
02:33:33.000 I'd go there just for the food.
02:33:35.000 I would go there just to get the blackened salmon.
02:33:37.000 It's amazing.
02:33:37.000 The steak.
02:33:38.000 It's sensational.
02:33:39.000 So anyway, he's been hanging out at the Flappers and it's like surreal.
02:33:44.000 I was telling you before, it's like Santa Claus is talking to me.
02:33:47.000 Because Jay Leno was the big influence for me to get into comedy.
02:33:50.000 When he would come on David Letterman, it was a big night in my...
02:33:53.000 Because that was before U2, so you had to watch it when it happened, and that was it.
02:33:56.000 People who think of Jay Leno as the guy who hosted Tonight Show don't understand.
02:34:00.000 They don't understand.
02:34:01.000 In his day, he was the fucking man.
02:34:04.000 The best.
02:34:04.000 He was the man.
02:34:05.000 In the 70s...
02:34:06.000 Nobody better.
02:34:08.000 He was one of the best club comics alive.
02:34:11.000 Probably the best.
02:34:12.000 And everybody looked up to him.
02:34:13.000 All the comics, like he was edgy.
02:34:15.000 He would go on those talk shows and he was edgy.
02:34:18.000 He was edgy.
02:34:19.000 He would do a bit, edgy in a sense where he would do a bit that exposed corporatism.
02:34:23.000 Yeah.
02:34:24.000 And I remember he had a, I'll butcher it, but he had a, can you imagine him because they had those, remember they came out with those soft baked cookies?
02:34:31.000 Remember it was soft batch?
02:34:32.000 Like, how do they do that?
02:34:33.000 Right.
02:34:34.000 It's like, can you imagine the board meeting?
02:34:36.000 Hey, people like fresh cookies that are soft.
02:34:38.000 What do we do?
02:34:39.000 I know.
02:34:40.000 We bake them fresh every day and get them to the stores immediately.
02:34:43.000 You idiot.
02:34:44.000 Johnson, we get a chemical that we put it in that makes them softer.
02:34:48.000 Yeah!
02:34:48.000 That's what we do.
02:34:49.000 Good idea.
02:34:49.000 I'm butchering the joke, but that was his idea.
02:34:51.000 Right, right, right.
02:34:52.000 Exactly.
02:34:53.000 And I remember he did that on the couch on Letterman.
02:34:55.000 But anyway, so it was such a big deal.
02:34:58.000 And his Tonight Show...
02:35:00.000 I don't think it was his best work because he wasn't interested, but now he's back to doing his best work.
02:35:05.000 Who could be interested in interviewing those fucking people?
02:35:08.000 Who could be interviewed?
02:35:09.000 And he was a real comic, so he didn't give a shit.
02:35:13.000 So that's how it felt to me anyway.
02:35:15.000 But anyway, now he's doing that car show and now he's hanging out at the club.
02:35:18.000 And it's just weird, really.
02:35:20.000 It's like I walk in and he'll say, hey, is that me?
02:35:21.000 And I'm like, ah, fuck.
02:35:23.000 You know me?
02:35:23.000 This is weird.
02:35:24.000 He goes, hey, did you meet my wife?
02:35:26.000 He introduced me to his wife.
02:35:27.000 He says my name and it's just like, it's too much for me.
02:35:30.000 Right.
02:35:30.000 It's too much for me.
02:35:31.000 And I go in and I watch him do stand-up and he's got some great jokes.
02:35:35.000 He's got a joke about this.
02:35:36.000 I'm not going to do them, but he's got a joke about how you could never, the song Shaft, you could never do it today.
02:35:44.000 And he does it so funny.
02:35:46.000 Right.
02:35:46.000 He's got a great Caitlyn Jenner joke.
02:35:48.000 I won't do it, but it's goddammit!
02:35:51.000 And I go, Jay, how do you get away with that Caitlyn Jenner joke?
02:35:53.000 I don't fucking get away with that!
02:35:54.000 Fucking Variety magazine says shit!
02:35:55.000 And it was funny because he's like, oh, you don't get away?
02:35:57.000 So that made me feel better.
02:35:58.000 Like, oh, people get...
02:35:59.000 He goes, yeah, no matter what you say, people give you shit today.
02:36:02.000 But that's their job.
02:36:03.000 Their job is to talk shit about things and to make stories about something that's controversial.
02:36:10.000 And there's no controversy in his Caitlyn joke.
02:36:12.000 It's just a joke.
02:36:13.000 But it doesn't matter if you make a joke about any protected class of people.
02:36:16.000 Anything.
02:36:17.000 Whether it's a joke about something that's racial or sexual or anything.
02:36:22.000 It's just, everything's a fucking third rail today.
02:36:24.000 Everything.
02:36:25.000 Yeah.
02:36:25.000 But that's part of their job.
02:36:27.000 Our job is to make fun of shit.
02:36:29.000 Their job is to catch you in something that's controversial.
02:36:33.000 Look, if they're writing articles online for websites, they're in the fucking click business.
02:36:40.000 That's it.
02:36:41.000 If Jimmy Dore said what, you know, bam, you got some clicks.
02:36:45.000 They did an article and it said the head of the dirtbag left or something, Jimmy Dore.
02:36:50.000 You're the head of the dirtbag left?
02:36:52.000 That's what it said.
02:36:53.000 Oh, I should cozy up to you.
02:36:54.000 I know.
02:36:55.000 I like to get in with the dirtbag left.
02:36:56.000 Yeah, I'll help you.
02:36:58.000 But they used a picture of me from like 2003. You look good back then.
02:37:03.000 I was so happy.
02:37:04.000 So handsome.
02:37:04.000 I was so happy.
02:37:05.000 I'm like, oh my god.
02:37:06.000 Beautiful head of hair.
02:37:07.000 Oh, the whole deal.
02:37:09.000 Oh, now I'm fucking spraying.
02:37:10.000 I have this new spray that thickens your hair.
02:37:12.000 What is it?
02:37:12.000 Because my hair, it's called Topic something.
02:37:15.000 It's a hair thickener.
02:37:15.000 Oh, that stuff, yeah.
02:37:16.000 But it's not the fibers.
02:37:17.000 It's like a spray.
02:37:18.000 It actually makes it thick up.
02:37:20.000 Oh my god.
02:37:21.000 I was like, look at this.
02:37:22.000 This is fucking awesome.
02:37:24.000 Because I didn't dye my hair for COVID. I went, I'm pretty much all gray.
02:37:27.000 And, you know, I hated it.
02:37:29.000 I hated it.
02:37:30.000 Hated being all gray?
02:37:31.000 I hate looking in the mirror.
02:37:33.000 I hated it.
02:37:34.000 That's the weird thing about Jay now, his white hair.
02:37:37.000 But it's thick.
02:37:38.000 Yeah.
02:37:38.000 His hair is thick, so it looks good.
02:37:40.000 Like a werewolf.
02:37:40.000 It looks, it's thick and it's wavy.
02:37:42.000 And to see Jay on stage at 71, I mean, he could be 51, 41. It doesn't matter.
02:37:47.000 It's like, there's no time left.
02:37:49.000 Right.
02:37:50.000 It's really, honest to God, it is fucking thrilling to be on shows with him.
02:37:54.000 And then he goes up early on the second show and like at Saturday, he'll go up the second spot and he'll do 30. And then when he leaves, the audience is so happy because they're like, made a good decision tonight.
02:38:07.000 And so they're just like butter the rest of the night.
02:38:10.000 Like Jay really sets the table.
02:38:12.000 It is amazing.
02:38:13.000 Anyway.
02:38:14.000 Get a guy like him middling.
02:38:15.000 That's hilarious.
02:38:16.000 Right?
02:38:17.000 He did 30. Just 30 minutes.
02:38:20.000 He's a pro.
02:38:22.000 But I love it.
02:38:23.000 It is like hanging out with Santa Claus.
02:38:26.000 I hope he stays.
02:38:27.000 I don't know why he's...
02:38:28.000 Well, he loves it.
02:38:29.000 That's the beautiful thing about when you're in a position like Jay Leno.
02:38:32.000 One of the things they said about him is he never spent any of his Tonight Show money.
02:38:36.000 He put it all in the bank.
02:38:37.000 I bank it.
02:38:37.000 I bank it.
02:38:38.000 All the money he made from comedy is the money that he buys a fucking hundred and fifty thousand cars.
02:38:44.000 Yeah, he lives off his comedy money.
02:38:45.000 That's what I was told.
02:38:46.000 And he banks the rest of it.
02:38:48.000 So he just enjoys telling jokes still.
02:38:51.000 So for him, it's a love.
02:38:54.000 It's a passion thing.
02:38:56.000 I would never do stand-up comedy just for the money.
02:38:59.000 I wouldn't have got into it for the money.
02:39:01.000 I'd get into it because it's the thing I would do if I had to pay them.
02:39:04.000 Right.
02:39:05.000 You know, and I'm sure Jay Leno still feels like that.
02:39:07.000 Yeah.
02:39:07.000 I mean, what is more fun than doing comedy?
02:39:09.000 I can't really think of anything at this age.
02:39:11.000 No, I still love to do guest spots.
02:39:14.000 I would still love to just do, you know, show up and do 20 minutes somewhere.
02:39:18.000 Anything like that.
02:39:19.000 It's like, it's fun.
02:39:20.000 Killing is fun.
02:39:21.000 Yeah.
02:39:22.000 Yeah.
02:39:22.000 And I kind of miss when I would go up anonymously in front of a crowd, like when I would go to Tempe to open for somebody, like I opened for David Tell and stuff like that.
02:39:30.000 Yeah.
02:39:30.000 And he's got a great crowd.
02:39:31.000 I'll never forget that.
02:39:32.000 And I would think in the back of my head, like, wait, did they get a load of me?
02:39:35.000 They have no idea who I fucking am.
02:39:36.000 And you got to earn those Those jokes.
02:39:38.000 And I did.
02:39:39.000 You've got to earn those laughs.
02:39:39.000 That's the beautiful thing about not being your crowd.
02:39:42.000 And that was one of the cool things about the Comedy Store, is that if there was 15 comics on stage at a night, they weren't all there to see you.
02:39:48.000 They were there to see Jesselnik.
02:39:50.000 They were there to see Whitney Cummings.
02:39:52.000 They were there to see a lot of people.
02:39:53.000 Mm-hmm.
02:39:54.000 Yeah.
02:39:54.000 I never got in at the Comedy Store.
02:39:56.000 I always went to the Improv, Laugh Factory, Comedy Magic.
02:39:59.000 Improv's a great club, too.
02:40:00.000 I fucking love the Improv.
02:40:01.000 Yeah, I miss that place.
02:40:02.000 Are they doing shows now?
02:40:03.000 They're doing shows.
02:40:04.000 They're back.
02:40:05.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:40:05.000 Everything.
02:40:06.000 And their room looks beautiful, too.
02:40:07.000 Nice.
02:40:07.000 They remodeled it.
02:40:09.000 Well, one thing that I really did miss was stand-up, and I didn't realize how bad I missed it until we did it again.
02:40:16.000 We did a show out here, it was like back in November, when things were, it was right before I started doing the shows with Chappelle at Stubbs, which was his outdoor amphitheater, and we did a show at Vulcan.
02:40:30.000 And Ron White went up.
02:40:32.000 And the day, that day, Ron was like, I'm basically retired.
02:40:35.000 I'm just fucking, I'm basically retired.
02:40:38.000 I'm not really gonna do comedy anymore.
02:40:40.000 Fuck it.
02:40:40.000 I got money.
02:40:41.000 I'm gonna relax.
02:40:42.000 I'm gonna sell my plane.
02:40:43.000 He's saying all this stuff, and then he went on stage, and he, you know, Ron's a fucking professional.
02:40:48.000 Yeah.
02:40:48.000 He talks all this shit, but he went over his fucking material with a fine-tooth comb, went up and murdered.
02:40:54.000 And he came off stage, and I'll never forget this, because I was going on after him.
02:40:57.000 He grabs me by the shoulders.
02:40:58.000 He goes, we are gonna do this again.
02:41:01.000 He goes, we're back, motherfucker.
02:41:03.000 He goes, whatever it takes, whatever it fucking takes, we're gonna do fucking comedy.
02:41:07.000 We gotta do this again.
02:41:08.000 Because you can tell he got that jolt.
02:41:10.000 Yes.
02:41:11.000 He got that injection, and he murdered.
02:41:14.000 He's so good.
02:41:15.000 He fucking murdered.
02:41:16.000 And it was wild to see the sparkle in his eyes and how excited he was.
02:41:20.000 So when you do a set, and if you do it right, you're present 100%.
02:41:26.000 You're in that moment.
02:41:27.000 And for me, it's the only time of day I'm not thinking about tomorrow, and I'm not regretting the past.
02:41:33.000 Yeah.
02:41:33.000 So I'm not worried or regretting.
02:41:35.000 I'm right there.
02:41:36.000 You have to be.
02:41:38.000 Sometimes you lose it.
02:41:40.000 Sometimes I'm not in the moment.
02:41:41.000 Sometimes I'm thinking about something else.
02:41:43.000 But most of the time when I'm on stage, I'm 100% present.
02:41:46.000 And when I have a set like that, it's like what people talk about meditation.
02:41:50.000 They go, I meditate and I get energy.
02:41:52.000 I get energy.
02:41:52.000 I come off stage and I'm fucking...
02:41:53.000 That's why you can't go to sleep at midnight.
02:41:55.000 Right?
02:41:56.000 Well, it's real similar to a lot of other things that I enjoy doing, because you have to think only about, like, martial arts are like that.
02:42:03.000 I think of martial arts as like a moving meditation, because you can't think about other things while you're doing martial arts.
02:42:08.000 You have to think about that only.
02:42:10.000 That's the only way to be good at it.
02:42:12.000 And there's a few things, like, that's what a lot of people like, golf.
02:42:15.000 It's the same thing.
02:42:16.000 It's like, you know, when you're hitting that ball, like, Jamie can speak to this.
02:42:19.000 I saw you crack your driver, you fucking savage.
02:42:21.000 Yeah.
02:42:22.000 I was trying to hit a little too hard.
02:42:24.000 Shit.
02:42:24.000 All Jamie does is try to knock the ball as far as possible.
02:42:28.000 But when you're playing anything that requires a lot of concentration, there's a cleansing aspect to it.
02:42:34.000 Archery is something I love too for the same reason.
02:42:36.000 It's like when you're concentrating on just all your form and everything, all your technique is in line.
02:42:43.000 Cleans you out.
02:42:44.000 When you can think about something that overwhelms your concentration and requires you to be 100% present and in the moment, you're not checking your Twitter, you're not fucking seeing who's mad at you.
02:42:57.000 You're there.
02:42:59.000 Yeah, and you're timeless.
02:43:00.000 You know, time goes by.
02:43:02.000 You don't even realize it.
02:43:03.000 It's like I read this book a long time ago called Flow.
02:43:06.000 Yes.
02:43:06.000 And it was all about being in flow state and all that stuff.
02:43:09.000 And I used to get it sometimes when I played basketball.
02:43:11.000 Not as often because I wasn't that good.
02:43:13.000 But I was okay.
02:43:14.000 And so I could have some, you know, good moments.
02:43:16.000 But, yeah, I don't...
02:43:18.000 But stand-up comedy is the thing for me.
02:43:20.000 And that's the thing that energizes me.
02:43:22.000 And I would do it for fucking free.
02:43:24.000 I was just thinking about this.
02:43:25.000 I was just thinking about this.
02:43:27.000 About how...
02:43:28.000 I used to tell people, people say, hey, how's comedy going?
02:43:30.000 I go, I haven't missed a meal yet, right?
02:43:32.000 Like, I'm not starving, and so who cares?
02:43:33.000 As long as I'm eating, what the fuck else do you want?
02:43:36.000 I mean, I have an apartment, I'm eating.
02:43:38.000 What else is going on?
02:43:39.000 I'm doing comedy.
02:43:40.000 You know, I show up, I drive to a place, I'm the center of attention, they're throwing a party, and I'm the guest of honor.
02:43:44.000 It's fucking awesome.
02:43:46.000 And the people have a good time.
02:43:48.000 Yes, you're giving something to them.
02:43:50.000 Yes, they feel good.
02:43:51.000 There's a mutual, you're not taking from them.
02:43:53.000 Right.
02:43:53.000 They walk out of there going, oh my god, that was so fun.
02:43:56.000 Yes.
02:43:56.000 That was so fun.
02:43:57.000 And they leave and they want to come back and do it again.
02:43:59.000 It's beautiful.
02:44:00.000 So you've learned a way to make what you're doing fulfilling for another person.
02:44:06.000 Yeah.
02:44:06.000 So they're getting fulfilled as you get fulfilled.
02:44:08.000 It's mutual.
02:44:09.000 It's an exchange.
02:44:11.000 You know, I would...
02:44:13.000 It's a sense, it's a form of love.
02:44:15.000 Yeah, it's love.
02:44:16.000 There's a connection that you have with the audience, especially like a club.
02:44:20.000 You know how an audience will share a consciousness.
02:44:23.000 Yes!
02:44:24.000 You know how audiences, they all of a sudden have the same personality.
02:44:28.000 Isn't that wild?
02:44:28.000 It's a form of mass hypnosis.
02:44:31.000 It really is.
02:44:32.000 Well, Carl Jung talks about how we have a collective unconscious, you know, and then some other people talk about how there's only one consciousness.
02:44:39.000 Yeah.
02:44:39.000 And so we're all just a part of that one consciousness, which is what I kind of believe.
02:44:44.000 Separation is an illusion that you and I are not separate, that we're actually, because we came out of the Earth, we weren't dropped into the Earth.
02:44:51.000 We literally came out, just like hairs on your head aren't separate from your body and not separate from each other.
02:44:56.000 Even though they look like they are, they're all part of the same body.
02:44:58.000 We're all part of the same consciousness.
02:45:00.000 There was this guy who was a physicist or one of those quantum physics guys.
02:45:05.000 That's how I call them, quantum physics guys.
02:45:08.000 One of those quantum physics guys.
02:45:10.000 He went to scientist school.
02:45:12.000 Yeah.
02:45:12.000 And he talked about how, and stop me if I told you this already, but if you're on a plane and you look out at the ocean and you see the white caps of the waves, well, you know that that's the white caps of the waves.
02:45:25.000 That's the crest of the waves.
02:45:26.000 You know that because you've seen it up close.
02:45:28.000 And so when you're in a plane and you see that, and he said, okay, so that's what the universe is.
02:45:34.000 The universe is...
02:45:36.000 The ocean, right?
02:45:38.000 It's one big consciousness.
02:45:40.000 Energy consciousness and then the crest of the wave are us everything you can see so there's this big energy and the crest of it is Everything you can see and I was like oh wow that was pretty heavy-duty and that's a and so I saw him he was talking to this guy Eckhart Tolle who I would love to interview and I can't get a hold of but he was talking to him and Eckhart Tolle is a mystic right he had an awake sudden awakening one night and he's an odd character Oh man.
02:46:07.000 Hard to wrap your head around that.
02:46:10.000 I've read his story and I was like, he just one day had some sort of awakening?
02:46:16.000 So what the story he tells is that he had horrible anxiety.
02:46:20.000 He would wake up in the middle of the night with panic attacks and shit.
02:46:23.000 I went through his period like that.
02:46:24.000 I had that happen.
02:46:26.000 So one night he was up and he's having this horrible anxiety attack and he said to himself, I can't live with myself anymore.
02:46:32.000 And the next thought he was, well, who is me and who is myself?
02:46:36.000 Am I two people?
02:46:37.000 Who is me who can't live?
02:46:39.000 Sounds like he lost his marbles.
02:46:40.000 And that created, he said, that created the space in my consciousness to kind of, whatever, see things differently.
02:46:47.000 He went to bed.
02:46:47.000 When he woke up the next day, he saw the coffee pot was vibrating.
02:46:52.000 He could see the world as like the matrix.
02:46:55.000 He could see all that shit, and he didn't realize what had happened, but his thoughts had slowed down.
02:47:01.000 He had stopped thinking by at least 80%, and he would just go and sit on a bench all day, and he would just be, and he would just be happy because he was present and part of, and he knew it, but he didn't know what had happened to him for like a couple years, and then he was talking to some Buddhists, and they told him,
02:47:16.000 oh, you stopped your thoughts.
02:47:19.000 And so that's the thing.
02:47:20.000 They talk about it.
02:47:20.000 You can't stop.
02:47:21.000 I can't stop my thoughts.
02:47:23.000 And all I think about all day is thoughts.
02:47:25.000 And that's what the point of meditation is to get you to stop your thoughts.
02:47:27.000 You become present.
02:47:28.000 And you stop identifying with your thought because your thought isn't who you are.
02:47:32.000 Yeah.
02:47:32.000 And so that's the big problem.
02:47:33.000 I can't do any of that shit.
02:47:35.000 And that's why performing stand-up comedy is the closest I come to it.
02:47:38.000 Stopping my thoughts and becoming present.
02:47:41.000 But Eckhart Tolle and that guy, the physicist, the physics guy, they're talking about the same thing, and they had talked about how they kind of came to the same realizations.
02:47:52.000 He came from quantum physics, and he came from mysticism, and they both see the same thing, the one energy, and it's remarkable.
02:48:00.000 It's a YouTube talk.
02:48:01.000 You can watch it again on YouTube.
02:48:03.000 That's why I watch everything.
02:48:04.000 Yeah, it's...
02:48:05.000 But there is no death.
02:48:07.000 That's the thing people don't realize, right?
02:48:08.000 So you don't die.
02:48:10.000 I mean, you do, like, this body, kind of what we call dies, but it doesn't really, right?
02:48:16.000 So death is not the opposite of life.
02:48:19.000 Life has no opposite.
02:48:20.000 Life is forever.
02:48:21.000 When you die, the things that go into me go and fertilize a flower.
02:48:24.000 So the energy cannot be created nor destroyed.
02:48:27.000 Energy can only change forms.
02:48:29.000 Sounds like the edible kicked in.
02:48:30.000 Yes.
02:48:31.000 So death is the opposite of birth.
02:48:34.000 It is not the opposite of life.
02:48:35.000 Life has no opposite.
02:48:36.000 Now, I didn't make that up.
02:48:37.000 That's Eckhart Tolle.
02:48:38.000 So, that's when you realize that there...
02:48:42.000 And then Ram Dass says that dying is like taking off an uncomfortable shoe.
02:48:46.000 Don't be afraid.
02:48:48.000 Well, I always say that everybody wants to sleep, but nobody wants to die.
02:48:52.000 Which is very strange.
02:48:54.000 Because you just shut off every night.
02:48:55.000 Did you ever want to kill yourself?
02:48:57.000 No.
02:48:58.000 Oh, I have.
02:48:59.000 I had at least twice in my life where I wanted to kill myself.
02:49:03.000 Why?
02:49:04.000 Well, the first time I had a clinical depression and I didn't know what was going on.
02:49:08.000 It was like it just kind of happened and I didn't know what was happening for like six months and finally I went to a doctor and I got...
02:49:14.000 And you realized your levels were off?
02:49:16.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:49:17.000 So they gave me...
02:49:18.000 So I didn't know what...
02:49:19.000 All I knew was I woke up every day and it felt like everybody in my life had died.
02:49:23.000 Can you imagine if everyone you knew died?
02:49:25.000 That's how it felt like, oh, and there was just no light at the end of the tunnel.
02:49:29.000 And so then the next time that happened was when I had my bone problems and my spine shrank and I wanted to kill myself because I don't want to go through life like that.
02:49:39.000 And that's when I got my hour special.
02:49:42.000 So it was right then.
02:49:44.000 My manager calls me and goes, hey, Comedy Central is going to give you hour special.
02:49:47.000 And I was like, oh, motherfucker.
02:49:50.000 Because now I have to live.
02:49:51.000 I've got to do this special, because I've got to fucking stick it in the ass of all those people who told me I wasn't going to make it.
02:49:57.000 And all those people who said, you're an idiot doing comedy, why don't you get a fucking job?
02:50:00.000 And so I'm going to do this special, I'm going to stick it in their fucking air, and then I'm going to kill myself.
02:50:05.000 Wow.
02:50:05.000 And that's what I was going to do.
02:50:06.000 I think I told you about this already.
02:50:08.000 Yeah, I think you did.
02:50:09.000 I'm remembering it now.
02:50:10.000 And then, by the time...
02:50:13.000 I went to my shrink at the time, Schofield, and I told him this.
02:50:17.000 He goes, well, you're going to adjust.
02:50:18.000 I go, I don't want to adjust.
02:50:20.000 You don't get it.
02:50:20.000 I don't want to fucking live like this, and I'm going to kill myself.
02:50:23.000 And he goes, you're not going to kill yourself.
02:50:24.000 You're going to adjust.
02:50:25.000 And by the time my special came around, I did adjust, and I didn't want to kill myself.
02:50:30.000 And so he was right, and here I am, and I've adjusted, and I'm living the happiest part of my life ever.
02:50:36.000 And how many people out there that are thinking about killing themselves really just need to get through whatever they're at right now and get some perspective on the other side of it?
02:50:45.000 Yeah, and because, you know what, there's no out.
02:50:48.000 You're a spirit soul, you're a spirit, you're a consciousness, and if your physical body dies, you still have to keep living.
02:50:54.000 There's no out.
02:50:55.000 You sure?
02:50:56.000 No.
02:51:00.000 But this is what these people tell me, right?
02:51:02.000 Yeah, it sounds good.
02:51:03.000 Ram Dass gave this brilliant speech, right?
02:51:06.000 This is after he went and got trained by the Maharaj.
02:51:09.000 This is like from 1976. And he starts out his speech, he goes, what I'm going to tell you tonight is how it is.
02:51:14.000 It's not my opinion.
02:51:15.000 This is how it is.
02:51:16.000 And I just love that kind of confidence.
02:51:18.000 That's the kind of confidence you get from buckets of acid.
02:51:21.000 Yes, which he did.
02:51:22.000 Yeah.
02:51:23.000 Yeah, him and Timothy Leary, and then he went and took the trips the natural way.
02:51:27.000 Duncan Trussell spent a lot of time with him.
02:51:29.000 Yeah, I'm so jealous.
02:51:31.000 Yeah.
02:51:31.000 I'm so jealous.
02:51:32.000 Duncan told me about how he met him.
02:51:34.000 Duncan was in a depression when he met him in Maui, and then when his depression lifted, Ram Dass goes, ah.
02:51:40.000 Like, he knew.
02:51:41.000 Like, how the fuck did that guy know?
02:51:42.000 Yeah.
02:51:43.000 But the speech I'm talking about, he talks about the five levels of consciousness.
02:51:48.000 Yeah.
02:51:48.000 And he talks about how it's like turning out a TV channel and you're...
02:51:51.000 Do you ever feel like when you get into these conflicts online and you get into these conflicts and you show that you're like disturbing your own consciousness and you're creating these negative...
02:52:01.000 I'm a big believer in that and I've avoided like attacks and stuff as much as possible because occasionally sometimes you just get so fucking frustrated.
02:52:10.000 Yeah.
02:52:11.000 It blurts out of your mouth.
02:52:13.000 But I'm in the business of agitating people.
02:52:15.000 Yes, you are.
02:52:16.000 I have to take it, and I'm going to, you know, the vote blue no matter who, and the shit libs are going to come at me no matter what, because I'm telling the truth about...
02:52:24.000 And the people always say, why don't you go after the Republicans more?
02:52:27.000 I go, because I don't have any influence on them.
02:52:29.000 That's not who I help get elected.
02:52:31.000 You know what I mean?
02:52:32.000 It's like I try to talk to them and convince them of my ideas, but the people who already are supposed to agree with my ideas and fight for them, and they're not, I'm going to fucking call that out.
02:52:40.000 Yeah.
02:52:41.000 And so that's what gets me.
02:52:42.000 So that whole thing about creating conflict, it's the weird thing.
02:52:45.000 I'm in the business of kind of creating conflict.
02:52:47.000 So I don't know how to get around that.
02:52:49.000 And comedy, for sure, is a lot of it is about conflict.
02:52:53.000 Yes.
02:52:54.000 Right.
02:52:55.000 Comedy is about going against the grain, calling out the status quo, throwing the spitball, right?
02:53:00.000 That's what I want to do.
02:53:01.000 That's what I want to be.
02:53:02.000 And that's the beauty of me being in the journalistic space, is that...
02:53:06.000 I am the real outsider.
02:53:08.000 I don't want a job.
02:53:09.000 Man, does that change everything, Joe.
02:53:11.000 Changes everything.
02:53:11.000 Even people I love in the independent news space.
02:53:15.000 You see them get self-censoring co-opted.
02:53:18.000 Yeah.
02:53:19.000 Because they're looking for something or something or they want to get it.
02:53:21.000 Oh, I got to start being nice to people because I want to have guests on my show.
02:53:25.000 Right.
02:53:25.000 Stuff like that.
02:53:26.000 You see them start turning.
02:53:27.000 I don't want to piss off politicians, which is ridiculous.
02:53:31.000 Right.
02:53:31.000 Politicians are supposed to be fucking afraid of us.
02:53:34.000 Right.
02:53:34.000 And if they're not afraid of you, then you're doing something wrong.
02:53:38.000 And again, the only way you can influence a Democrat is to stop voting for them.
02:53:42.000 And I stopped voting for corporatist warmongers a long time ago.
02:53:47.000 And I think if we...
02:53:48.000 Look, for instance, what if we would...
02:53:51.000 Hillary Clinton lost to Donald Trump, and everybody voted for Hillary Clinton anyway, right?
02:53:55.000 Everybody on the Democrats, they vote for her.
02:53:57.000 She lost anyway.
02:53:58.000 Well, what if everybody who voted for Bernie Sanders, who was pissed off that she cheated him, and they cheated us, and they ran a crooked primary, what if those people withhold their vote from Hillary to make a statement, and then she lost by 15%?
02:54:12.000 We still would have had the same outcome.
02:54:14.000 Donald Trump was going to be president anyway.
02:54:16.000 But we would have had now power over the Democratic Party because now we made a statement.
02:54:19.000 We did exactly what Lawrence O'Donnell said.
02:54:21.000 Now they have to come to us.
02:54:22.000 They can't win without our vote.
02:54:24.000 Well, that's never going to happen.
02:54:25.000 But what might happen is that we can have a third party that starts polling at 10%, and now neither party can win without them.
02:54:32.000 So now you come to, see what I'm saying?
02:54:34.000 Because most Trump voters are for single payer and ending the war.
02:54:37.000 And the Democrat voters are the same.
02:54:39.000 So now who's going to vote for us?
02:54:41.000 And we can swing the election.
02:54:43.000 And that's the point.
02:54:44.000 So people say, well, you have to have a majority before you can get anything done.
02:54:47.000 You don't.
02:54:47.000 Just like the Freedom Caucus and the Tea Party proved, you can have a minority that has leverage.
02:54:52.000 So if we have a third party that starts, I'm working on this thing called the People's Party with Nick Braun.
02:54:55.000 If we have a third party that starts and starts polling at 10%, That's all you need to have leverage now.
02:55:02.000 And people go, well, I don't want to vote third party until there's already a lot of people voting for a third party.
02:55:06.000 Well, that's not how it fucking works.
02:55:08.000 To get a lot of people voting for a third party, you have to start.
02:55:10.000 Someone has to start.
02:55:11.000 And so I think if you keep voting for these two rapacious oligarchy parties, you are complicit.
02:55:17.000 And so I stopped.
02:55:19.000 Jimmy, I appreciate you.
02:55:21.000 Okay, thank you, brother.
02:55:22.000 I'm glad you're out there, brother.
02:55:23.000 I'm glad you're out there.
02:55:23.000 Yeah, I warmed up.
02:55:24.000 Okay.
02:55:25.000 All right, thanks for having me.
02:55:26.000 I'm glad you're out there.
02:55:27.000 I really appreciate you.
02:55:27.000 And I really appreciate you having this show.
02:55:30.000 We're really lucky you have this show.
02:55:32.000 I think I'm lucky, too.
02:55:34.000 We're all lucky.
02:55:35.000 All right.
02:55:35.000 Bye, everybody.