The Joe Rogan Experience - July 28, 2021


Joe Rogan Experience #1688 - Greg Fitzsimmons


Episode Stats

Length

2 hours and 50 minutes

Words per Minute

185.90181

Word Count

31,625

Sentence Count

3,700

Misogynist Sentences

69

Hate Speech Sentences

43


Summary

In this episode, the guys talk about their favorite concerts and what it's like to go to a rock concert. They also talk about drugs and how to get high at rock and roll concerts. And, of course, the end of the episode is a little bit of an inside joke about getting high with your own son. If you don't know who it's about, you'll have to listen to this episode to figure it out. It's a good one, and I hope you enjoy it! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. All rights reserved. Used by permission. This episode was produced and edited by Riley Bray. We do not own the rights to any music used in this episode. It was produced, produced, edited, and produced by our patrons. The opinions expressed are our own and do not necessarily those of our record labels, labels, record labels or record labels. Thank you to our patrons for all the support and feedback. Please don't forget to rate, review, subscribe, and subscribe to our podcast and tell a friend about what you think of the podcast! We are working on a new episode of our new podcast called and we'll be giving out a shoutout in the next episode of . in the future. Thank you for supporting the podcast. and a shout out to a good friend of yours! Cheers, Cheers! Cheers. Cheers Cheers - Cheers - Jon. Jon Jon and Jon and his family! Mike and his wife, Sarah and Sarah. - Jon and Sarah John and Sarah, and his son, . . Jon & Sarah, Jr. John, Jr., and his new book, John, Sr. & his new album, The Other Way - Thank you, Jon, and much more! Jon talks about how much he loves getting high in Venice, so much so that he loves it, too much so much, and it's not enough, and so much more, and he wants to do it more than that, and more, so it's too much, so he can do it all, it's more than enough, etc., and so on and more. And so on, etc, etc. etc., etc, and all that kind of stuff.


Transcript

00:00:14.000 Headphones?
00:00:14.000 No headphones?
00:00:15.000 What do you wanna do?
00:00:16.000 Wanna get crazy?
00:00:18.000 I like to listen to both sounds in my ears at the same time.
00:00:22.000 I have like, I think I got a lot of wax built up in my ears and I got fucking tinnitus now.
00:00:27.000 Oh no.
00:00:27.000 Yeah.
00:00:28.000 How'd you get that?
00:00:31.000 I think I went to too many concerts in my life.
00:00:33.000 Went to a lot of loud concerts as a teenager.
00:00:36.000 Lead singer of ACDC, what's his name again?
00:00:39.000 Brian Johnson.
00:00:41.000 He can't hear.
00:00:42.000 His hearing's fucked.
00:00:43.000 He can't perform anymore.
00:00:44.000 Yeah, I think Pete Townsend also.
00:00:48.000 Well, back in, you know, you gotta think, in the 70s, like, no one knew anything.
00:00:53.000 Right.
00:00:53.000 They didn't know tinnitus.
00:00:54.000 Football players didn't know about CTE. Right.
00:00:56.000 No one knew about anything.
00:00:58.000 Right, right.
00:00:59.000 And those poor guys would just fucking stand right there, bare ears.
00:01:04.000 But, yeah, I mean, I think ACDC still has the world record for the loudest concert.
00:01:09.000 Of course they do.
00:01:09.000 Yeah.
00:01:10.000 You ever know ACDC concert?
00:01:12.000 I went to one in Madison Square Garden one time.
00:01:16.000 It was fucking crazy.
00:01:19.000 I haven't been to a concert concert, like see a band in like an arena in forever.
00:01:24.000 What's the last concert you went to?
00:01:26.000 I'm trying to remember.
00:01:27.000 I've seen, like, small shows.
00:01:29.000 Like, I saw Gary Clark Jr. out here.
00:01:31.000 Oh, really?
00:01:32.000 Oh, man.
00:01:33.000 Oh, wow.
00:01:33.000 I saw him at his club, Anton's.
00:01:35.000 Uh-huh.
00:01:36.000 It was amazing.
00:01:37.000 Wow.
00:01:37.000 It was amazing.
00:01:39.000 Because we were, like, right there, like, second row.
00:01:42.000 Uh-huh.
00:01:43.000 That was dope.
00:01:44.000 Yeah.
00:01:44.000 But, I mean, I don't, you know, it's inspiring to go see musicians, though.
00:01:51.000 Especially, like, I don't have any.
00:01:53.000 Do you play an instrument or anything?
00:01:54.000 Yeah.
00:01:54.000 I play guitar and harmonica.
00:01:56.000 Do you play guitar?
00:01:57.000 Yeah.
00:01:58.000 Really?
00:01:58.000 Yeah.
00:01:58.000 You good?
00:01:59.000 No, I'm just like a chord guy.
00:02:01.000 I don't jam.
00:02:03.000 You just like it for fun?
00:02:04.000 It was very therapeutic.
00:02:06.000 When I first moved to LA, I started taking lessons at this place down the street, and I just found it was like one of these zen things that got me out of my head.
00:02:13.000 You sit there and just play fucking, you know, simple stone songs and, you know, Tom Petty.
00:02:21.000 Shit was just simple three-chord structures.
00:02:24.000 Yeah, I would imagine it's like a lot of other difficult things where it requires all of your concentration.
00:02:30.000 So it becomes like a bit of a meditation, right?
00:02:33.000 Yeah, it really is.
00:02:34.000 And then my son started playing.
00:02:36.000 He started taking lessons when he was like 11. And so I play with him and he jams and I just play the chords and he shreds.
00:02:45.000 He's really good.
00:02:46.000 Wow.
00:02:47.000 It's weird because he's a lefty in everything he does except for guitar.
00:02:50.000 He plays righty.
00:02:51.000 Huh.
00:02:52.000 So his left hand really moves fast.
00:02:59.000 Huh.
00:03:00.000 Yeah.
00:03:01.000 We haven't gotten high and played together.
00:03:03.000 That's the next step.
00:03:04.000 He'll be 21 soon.
00:03:05.000 I think when he turns 21. Is that when you're going to get high with him?
00:03:07.000 When he's 21?
00:03:08.000 Yeah, why not?
00:03:09.000 Does he know you get high?
00:03:10.000 Yeah.
00:03:11.000 And you know he gets high?
00:03:13.000 Yeah.
00:03:14.000 And you never decided to do it together?
00:03:17.000 We took an edible before a movie one night, but then we didn't really hang out.
00:03:21.000 He gave me too much.
00:03:22.000 I was just talking to Jamie about this.
00:03:24.000 My tolerance for edibles is very low.
00:03:26.000 Everybody's is.
00:03:27.000 So he gave me like 10 milligrams and I'm like a 5 milligram guy.
00:03:31.000 And we watched a movie and then afterwards we both just went, alright, goodnight.
00:03:37.000 I pictured, like, the first time I get high with my son would be, like, kicking back, talking about, you know, son, let me tell you what it's like to produce something from your loins, and it turns into something as beautiful as you, and, you know, I thought it would be, like, this existential, and it was like, goodnight.
00:03:53.000 Are you still living in Venice?
00:03:54.000 Yeah.
00:03:55.000 I'd be really weird if I got high in Venice.
00:03:57.000 I was thinking about how many people are camped out in front of my house with tents just waiting for me to go to sleep.
00:04:02.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:04:04.000 I have a friend who was in Venice and someone broke into his house and called the cops and they said there's nothing we can do about it.
00:04:11.000 Dude, it's 45 minutes to get a cop to respond to your house in Venice.
00:04:15.000 It's fucking crazy.
00:04:17.000 They said, did he steal anything?
00:04:18.000 He has to steal something worth more than like $950 or something.
00:04:23.000 There's like a number attached to it.
00:04:24.000 But if someone just breaks into your house and you come into your house and there's a guy rummaging through your drawers, if he hasn't stolen anything yet, the cops won't even arrest him.
00:04:32.000 So you gotta pull out a calculator and find your receipts and just trail them?
00:04:36.000 If he steals a stereo, and it's like, okay, well that's a $2,000 stereo, now we can bring him in and then immediately release him.
00:04:43.000 No shit.
00:04:45.000 It's a joke.
00:04:46.000 You see what's going on in San Francisco where guys are going into stores and just filling garbage bags up with stuff and then just walking right out?
00:04:51.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:04:51.000 And cops don't do anything, security guards aren't allowed to do anything.
00:04:54.000 Yeah.
00:04:55.000 Can you imagine being a security guard and you're getting paid fucking $12 an hour and you're expected to take on people that...
00:05:02.000 They're living on the street and what they're stealing is literally what they're living off of.
00:05:06.000 You're gonna go toe-to-toe with them?
00:05:08.000 They might have a fucking shank on them or something?
00:05:10.000 They might have hepatitis.
00:05:11.000 Right.
00:05:12.000 They might bite you.
00:05:13.000 Right?
00:05:13.000 Yeah.
00:05:14.000 Dude, last night I was walking over to Kill Tony, and holy shit, 6th Street is fucking nuts.
00:05:22.000 I come around the corner, I've already seen somebody smoking crack, I saw two guys rolling joints just out in the open, and then I see these three homeless guys throwing garbage at a cop who's facing them off,
00:05:37.000 and I'm just standing there watching, like, alright, this is on its way up.
00:05:41.000 And so...
00:05:43.000 The cop looked scared, and he finally pulled out his taser, and he goes, I'm gonna tase you.
00:05:49.000 And then the guy threw a fucking Coke can at his chest, and he goes, you're not gonna tase all three of us?
00:05:54.000 And they kept walking at him, and the dude fucking holstered his taser, and he called for backup, and he waited in the car.
00:06:02.000 The good old days before cell phones, there'd be three bodies right there.
00:06:06.000 Good old days.
00:06:12.000 The Old West, man, the way Texas used to be.
00:06:15.000 Well, it's probably still that way if you go to, like, Waco or some shit.
00:06:18.000 Yeah.
00:06:19.000 Actually, Waco is supposed to be...
00:06:21.000 Waco has apparently been transformed by this one couple that has, like, a fix-em-up show, one of them home fix-up shows, right?
00:06:29.000 Yeah.
00:06:30.000 Is it true?
00:06:31.000 Because my wife and one of her lady friends was having this discussion.
00:06:35.000 They were saying, Waco's amazing now because they've got this thing and they build houses and everybody goes there and it's really super cute.
00:06:41.000 I mean, they've been doing the show long enough.
00:06:43.000 They probably fixed every house in the city, but I don't know.
00:06:46.000 Well, apparently, like, they've had a real impact on that area.
00:06:51.000 That's amazing.
00:06:51.000 So that's what every urban sprawl needs is just...
00:06:54.000 One fix-em-up show.
00:06:55.000 Fix-em-up shows.
00:06:56.000 Those people love those shows.
00:06:58.000 You see a shitbag house and someone buys it for, like, you know, 80 grand, and they come in and start tearing walls down and putting this up, and in the end, it's done.
00:07:05.000 Yay!
00:07:06.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:07:06.000 They love those shows.
00:07:07.000 Well, because those shows are time-lapsed.
00:07:09.000 You don't see the fucking contractor who doesn't show up because his aunt died for three weeks.
00:07:14.000 And then the tile you wanted is back-ordered, and so you've got to wait another three weeks.
00:07:19.000 I mean, I have avoided...
00:07:21.000 We did one renovation in my house...
00:07:23.000 And I was like, that's it.
00:07:24.000 Be happy with what we got, honey, because I'm not going through that shit again.
00:07:28.000 Life's too short.
00:07:29.000 Yeah, they're rough.
00:07:29.000 Renovations are rough.
00:07:30.000 They take a long time.
00:07:31.000 Yeah.
00:07:32.000 But some people love it.
00:07:34.000 They love doing it.
00:07:35.000 People enjoy flipping houses.
00:07:36.000 They buy a house and they live in chaos for a year and then they sell it and they go do it again.
00:07:42.000 I'm like, what is your life about?
00:07:43.000 Are you fucking crazy?
00:07:45.000 They like it.
00:07:46.000 It's like that's their little hobby thing.
00:07:49.000 Yeah.
00:07:50.000 That's their little thing.
00:07:51.000 They don't have...
00:07:53.000 Jamie, is the fan on in here?
00:07:56.000 Those are the same people that get divorced every three years.
00:07:59.000 They're constantly upgrading their life.
00:08:02.000 Is it not, buddy?
00:08:03.000 Yeah.
00:08:04.000 Those are the people that get Botox and divorce every three years.
00:08:07.000 There's a thing about dudes with Botox.
00:08:09.000 I can't...
00:08:10.000 If I see your forehead frozen, I can't talk to you, bro.
00:08:14.000 No.
00:08:15.000 You and I just don't...
00:08:16.000 We're not going to see eye to eye on stuff.
00:08:19.000 If I see this?
00:08:21.000 Yeah.
00:08:22.000 You're smiling and this shit doesn't move at all?
00:08:24.000 Yeah.
00:08:25.000 Are you worried about lines?
00:08:27.000 Are you worried about these things right here?
00:08:29.000 What are you worried about?
00:08:30.000 Yeah.
00:08:30.000 Why are you Botoxing your fucking forehead, man?
00:08:33.000 Right.
00:08:34.000 Especially if you're a comedian.
00:08:36.000 I mean, I have laughed.
00:08:38.000 You look at my face.
00:08:39.000 I've laughed a lot in my fucking life.
00:08:41.000 Yeah.
00:08:42.000 These shit, they're deep around my eyes.
00:08:44.000 How many male comedians do you know of Botox?
00:08:46.000 I met a famous one recently.
00:08:48.000 I'm not going to say his name, but I was shocked.
00:08:53.000 You know, I could see if you're an actress, I guess it really is like life or death in terms of your career of getting your eyes touched up.
00:09:02.000 Yeah, it's your whole face.
00:09:04.000 Your face can't have lines if you're an actress.
00:09:07.000 Yeah.
00:09:07.000 It's weird.
00:09:08.000 Like a guy can have that fucking Josh Brolin, like manly, fucking aged, like a nice...
00:09:17.000 Robert Redford.
00:09:18.000 Leather jacket.
00:09:19.000 Yep.
00:09:19.000 Like it looks better that way.
00:09:21.000 Yeah, a lot of these guys, they actually look better when they're weathered.
00:09:24.000 Yeah.
00:09:25.000 You know, they look manly.
00:09:26.000 You don't have any lines, really.
00:09:27.000 Oh, you got some forehead lines.
00:09:28.000 I got forehead lines.
00:09:29.000 This is my Fear Factor line, because I couldn't wear sunglasses, so I was outside every day for fucking six years, squinting.
00:09:40.000 It's literally where it came from.
00:09:42.000 And also looking at guys going like, why are you doing this?
00:09:45.000 What the fuck am I doing in my life?
00:09:47.000 Plus, I was high every show.
00:09:49.000 So, you know, very puzzled.
00:09:53.000 And puzzled by my whole life.
00:09:54.000 I remember when we were working on The Man Show together.
00:09:57.000 What year was that?
00:09:58.000 2003. 2003. That's right, because my daughter was just born.
00:10:02.000 I remember that.
00:10:02.000 She got born like a month before I started working on that.
00:10:05.000 Bro, that was 18 years ago.
00:10:06.000 Damn.
00:10:06.000 Yeah, my daughter just turned 18. Isn't that nuts?
00:10:09.000 Yeah.
00:10:10.000 Crazy.
00:10:11.000 But I remember you coming from Fear Factor tapings.
00:10:13.000 Fucking high.
00:10:15.000 And then we would roll fatties.
00:10:17.000 And then it was midnight before we started quote-unquote writing the jokes for the monologue.
00:10:24.000 And then Doug Stanhope was living in the fucking studios because he was divorced from his...
00:10:30.000 Quote-unquote wife that he'd married in some mystical Indian ceremony in the desert.
00:10:35.000 So they got divorced and he had a clothesline.
00:10:37.000 He had a clothesline because he used to wash his clothes in the sink and hang them up.
00:10:41.000 He bought a fucking port-a-potty into, I don't know why, there was a bathroom.
00:10:46.000 They had a bucket they were pissing in.
00:10:48.000 Oh, that's right.
00:10:49.000 Remember?
00:10:51.000 Doug is such a nasty bastard.
00:10:54.000 But he loved it.
00:10:55.000 He was never happier.
00:10:56.000 Well, you know, he loves where he's at now in Bisbee.
00:10:59.000 Yeah.
00:10:59.000 He loves living in that little small, weird, hippie artist community.
00:11:05.000 Yeah.
00:11:06.000 You know, just...
00:11:06.000 I know Morgan Murphy goes out there all the time.
00:11:09.000 She loves it.
00:11:09.000 She loves it, yeah.
00:11:10.000 Just being around those weirdos.
00:11:12.000 Yeah.
00:11:13.000 Kreischer loved it, too.
00:11:15.000 Kreischer went out there?
00:11:16.000 Yeah, so did Shane Gillis.
00:11:18.000 He went out there, too.
00:11:19.000 Wow.
00:11:19.000 Spent like a month out there.
00:11:20.000 No shit.
00:11:21.000 Yeah.
00:11:22.000 Damn.
00:11:22.000 Beginning of COVID, you know, you're not going to get it there.
00:11:25.000 Right, right.
00:11:25.000 Fucking no one's going anywhere.
00:11:27.000 I just picture there being a great local bar.
00:11:29.000 There must be some watering holes in a town like that.
00:11:32.000 There is, but there's also weird shit, too.
00:11:35.000 He's got some guy who bought a small piece of land right next to him so he could try to sell it to him, and then the guy's just doing loud construction on it all the time and trying to muscle him into buying this piece of land.
00:11:50.000 Yeah, it's not good.
00:11:51.000 And then he's going to have this house, if he builds it, that faces right into Doug's living room, staring at him.
00:12:01.000 Doug used to give out his fucking home address on the podcast!
00:12:05.000 I go, Doug, there's a million people listening.
00:12:08.000 You're going to have at least 4,000 psychopaths show up at your house.
00:12:11.000 And he would have crowds of people that would make the trek, they'd make the pilgrimage out to Bisbee to watch football games at his house.
00:12:18.000 And he just let them in?
00:12:19.000 Let them in.
00:12:21.000 Wow.
00:12:21.000 People just wandering out.
00:12:22.000 After a while, he realized it was a terrible idea and he stopped doing it.
00:12:25.000 Yeah.
00:12:26.000 So now he doesn't do it anymore.
00:12:27.000 And is he still with that girlfriend?
00:12:29.000 Bingo, yeah.
00:12:30.000 She's great.
00:12:31.000 Yeah, she's a lovely, lovely lady.
00:12:34.000 He's got a good thing going on there.
00:12:36.000 It's his vibe, you know?
00:12:38.000 He's got his vibe locked in.
00:12:39.000 Doug's never been a big city guy.
00:12:41.000 He likes to think about shit.
00:12:43.000 He likes to have cocktails and sit around, smoke cigarettes and think about stuff and riff.
00:12:48.000 And because he doesn't go to open mic nights, his open mic night is kind of like riffing.
00:12:53.000 Just talking shit.
00:12:55.000 And now he does a podcast.
00:12:57.000 He does that podcast on a regular basis.
00:12:59.000 And that's what he does.
00:13:00.000 Sits there with a cocktail.
00:13:01.000 And he just, what the fuck is this?
00:13:04.000 And he just starts talking about stuff.
00:13:05.000 And that's where he gets a lot of his material.
00:13:07.000 Puts together enough ideas.
00:13:10.000 And then, you know, he writes a lot, too.
00:13:12.000 Yeah, he's a writer.
00:13:13.000 A real writer, yeah.
00:13:14.000 Yeah, he's probably put out as many comedy specials as anybody.
00:13:18.000 I mean, he's probably got 20 at this point.
00:13:20.000 Yeah, they're all well thought out.
00:13:23.000 I mean, his structure of his rants are really like classic structure.
00:13:29.000 He gives you the idea, and then he goes in different directions with it, and then he sticks the landing on all of them.
00:13:35.000 You know what he told me?
00:13:36.000 Really great piece of advice.
00:13:38.000 He said he looks at his own material as if he's like a prosecuting attorney, like he's prosecuting his material, like looking for flaws in it.
00:13:48.000 Right.
00:13:49.000 I'm like, that's a great idea.
00:13:50.000 I look at it like a hater, which is kind of a similar thing.
00:13:53.000 Yeah.
00:13:53.000 I'm like, how would a hater look at this bit?
00:13:55.000 Uh-huh.
00:13:55.000 If someone really wanted to like...
00:13:57.000 Because you know how you can get sloppy with a bit?
00:13:59.000 Yeah.
00:13:59.000 Like, we've all had bits before.
00:14:00.000 We're like, oh, that one wasn't that good.
00:14:02.000 It's like there's...
00:14:02.000 It's too...
00:14:04.000 You know, I've had bits where I was like, I'm too...
00:14:06.000 Tom calls them dance moves.
00:14:08.000 Like, I used to call it English.
00:14:09.000 Too much English on the cue ball.
00:14:11.000 Yeah.
00:14:11.000 Spinning around for no reason.
00:14:12.000 Yeah.
00:14:12.000 It's like a lot of like, you're acting up, but it's like, you really should just rewrite it.
00:14:16.000 Right.
00:14:17.000 Like, got a good premise there, but maybe you had like one initial approach and you stuck with that initial approach.
00:14:22.000 Yeah.
00:14:22.000 And you never really revised it.
00:14:24.000 Right.
00:14:24.000 Sometimes you just gotta redo a bit, like a tear down of a house.
00:14:28.000 I feel like that happened with the pandemic, as I had a sheet full of new jokes that I was doing, and there is something that's sticky about the first idea you have on a premise.
00:14:41.000 It's like, if you did it the first time, there's something in you that goes, oh, then that's the way it goes.
00:14:46.000 But with the pandemic, I came back to some of these bits, and I didn't even remember how they went.
00:14:51.000 And then I started doing them a different way and I was like, oh no, this is a better way than that.
00:14:56.000 I'm glad I forgot the first version of this bit.
00:14:58.000 Yeah, that is good.
00:14:59.000 Sometimes you can have it, if you forget how to do it, you'll do it better.
00:15:03.000 Yeah.
00:15:04.000 It's great to go back.
00:15:05.000 I have my comedy notebooks going back to when we started.
00:15:08.000 I mean, I have two giant fucking crates in my office with old comedy notebooks.
00:15:13.000 And once in a while I go back and I look at some old shit and I go, wow, that was a good fucking premise.
00:15:19.000 Bad joke, but I got some good premises in here.
00:15:21.000 Yeah, because in the beginning, like, you're not good enough to handle a good premise.
00:15:25.000 Right.
00:15:25.000 Did you ever do Owen Smith's show?
00:15:27.000 Do you know Owen Smith had a notebook show?
00:15:30.000 Oh, no shit.
00:15:31.000 Really?
00:15:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:15:32.000 I did it.
00:15:32.000 It was hilarious.
00:15:34.000 I pulled out a notebook from, like, 91. It was terrible.
00:15:37.000 Wow.
00:15:37.000 Oh, my God.
00:15:38.000 I had written in, like, ad libs, like, to the audience.
00:15:44.000 It was so embarrassing.
00:15:46.000 This is my nice shirt, Paige.
00:15:51.000 No, it's like I had written in, so is that you, buddy?
00:15:53.000 You know what I'm talking about.
00:15:55.000 That kind of shit.
00:15:56.000 It was so awful.
00:15:58.000 Or a note.
00:16:00.000 Look at one person and explain joke.
00:16:04.000 That was the classic thing.
00:16:06.000 All the old-time comics used to do that.
00:16:08.000 They would do a joke and then explain it slowly to one person, and it killed every time.
00:16:14.000 What was that one guy?
00:16:15.000 There was a guy, Mike...
00:16:17.000 Motto, take my rice, please.
00:16:19.000 Mike Motto.
00:16:20.000 Take my rice, please.
00:16:21.000 I went and I saw Mike Motto and he did like an ad.
00:16:26.000 I was sitting in the front row.
00:16:27.000 This was before I'd even done stand-up because I was like thinking about doing it.
00:16:31.000 And we went to Play It Against Sam's.
00:16:33.000 Oh, yeah.
00:16:34.000 Yeah, I was with my girlfriend.
00:16:35.000 We're sitting in the front row and he said something about me having an erection.
00:16:39.000 Like he had this like this, you know, this ad lib.
00:16:42.000 It wasn't really an ad lib, but he would work the crowd with this thing.
00:16:45.000 And this guy, look at him over here.
00:16:46.000 He's got an erection.
00:16:48.000 What are you saying?
00:16:50.000 And then I realized, oh my god, comics lie.
00:16:53.000 I'm like, this is crazy.
00:16:54.000 They just find a person and that becomes the person they lie about.
00:16:59.000 I was trying to piece it together.
00:17:01.000 You know one of the first comics I ever saw live?
00:17:03.000 Who?
00:17:03.000 Tom Cotter.
00:17:04.000 No shit.
00:17:05.000 Saw Tom Cotter at, what was the Paradise next to Stitches?
00:17:11.000 Stitches, yeah, yeah.
00:17:12.000 I saw him at the Paradise.
00:17:13.000 It was the contest, the Boston Comedy Riot.
00:17:17.000 The Comedy Riot.
00:17:18.000 Yeah, he was in the Comedy Riot.
00:17:19.000 Wow.
00:17:20.000 Yeah.
00:17:21.000 Yeah.
00:17:22.000 And I saw him there.
00:17:23.000 Tom Cotter was a fucking rock-solid joke writer, performer.
00:17:28.000 I mean, he was a guy, he was definitely a guy to learn from, you know, early on.
00:17:31.000 He was a guy that, like, you know, had a rhythm, had a cadence, you know?
00:17:35.000 And remember he used to do the sack walk?
00:17:39.000 We would go to parties and Tom would pull his sack out and just have his balls, only his balls, hanging out of his pants and just act completely casual and go walking around and talking to people.
00:17:50.000 And then you'd be having a conversation with him and you'd just go, what the fuck is going on, man?
00:17:54.000 Why are your balls out?
00:17:56.000 Dude, we used to do it as a contest of who could leave theirs out the longest at these parties.
00:18:01.000 And then there was also, do you remember a guy, Mike McDonald?
00:18:07.000 Yeah, sure.
00:18:08.000 Mike McDonald was fucking great.
00:18:10.000 Me, him, and Rich Seisler used to hang out, and we would come up with these crazy bets.
00:18:14.000 And me and Seisler played pool one time, and we would shoot these long fucking tournaments, and then we would have these bets.
00:18:21.000 And the bet was, there was going to be a party that night at Rita Choice's house.
00:18:26.000 And Shannon was...
00:18:28.000 Remember Shannon?
00:18:28.000 She passed away.
00:18:29.000 No.
00:18:30.000 Yeah.
00:18:31.000 She just passed away.
00:18:33.000 What?
00:18:34.000 Yeah.
00:18:35.000 Anyway, so we go to their...
00:18:37.000 She's not old.
00:18:39.000 No, she was, you know, 53 years old or something.
00:18:41.000 What happened?
00:18:41.000 Why am I forgetting her last name?
00:18:43.000 I think she had a brain thing.
00:18:44.000 It's a freaky, freaky thing.
00:18:47.000 So the bet was, it was a party at Rita and Shannon's place, and...
00:18:53.000 Whoever lost was not allowed to talk at the party.
00:18:56.000 And you could not explain why you were not talking.
00:18:59.000 You couldn't mime it.
00:19:00.000 You couldn't write it down.
00:19:01.000 You had to just stand there and not talk.
00:19:02.000 Oh, no.
00:19:03.000 So I fucking whooped his ass.
00:19:05.000 Oh, no.
00:19:06.000 And then we went there.
00:19:07.000 And then he just kept standing there smiling.
00:19:09.000 And people were like, hey, what's up, Rich?
00:19:10.000 And he would just nod.
00:19:11.000 And they'd go, what's going on?
00:19:13.000 And he would just nod.
00:19:14.000 And you had to stay for at least half an hour.
00:19:20.000 And we're standing there doing that.
00:19:22.000 Cotter's got his ball sack out.
00:19:26.000 Mike McDonald was a funny guy.
00:19:28.000 He's a really funny guy.
00:19:30.000 Good writer.
00:19:30.000 He had a good cadence, too.
00:19:32.000 Real good cadence, you know?
00:19:34.000 Yeah, and he had a local cable access show way before people were doing stand-up comics.
00:19:41.000 Before Evening at the Improv and all those strip shows that they were doing with stand-up comics.
00:19:45.000 He had one that, I think it was called Mike's Playhouse or Treehouse or something.
00:19:49.000 Who?
00:19:50.000 I remember that.
00:19:51.000 And he would do a monologue every week.
00:19:52.000 It was on like WGBH, the local cable access show.
00:19:56.000 He would do a monologue.
00:19:57.000 He would have on like Don Gavin or Steve Sweeney.
00:20:00.000 They would do their five minutes.
00:20:01.000 And then he would do like a sketch.
00:20:03.000 It was fucking great.
00:20:05.000 Wow.
00:20:06.000 He's one of those guys that if he had left Boston, he could have done big things, I think.
00:20:11.000 There's a lot of those guys.
00:20:12.000 Yeah.
00:20:13.000 A lot of those guys, they just got locked in.
00:20:15.000 I think Gavin could have been one of the greatest comics of all time.
00:20:18.000 Of all time.
00:20:19.000 Of all time.
00:20:19.000 Yeah.
00:20:20.000 When we saw him, and we were both 21, and we were at Stitches, I remember this many times when I saw him, I'm like, why am I doing comedy?
00:20:26.000 Why don't I just quit?
00:20:27.000 I'll never be that good.
00:20:29.000 That guy's so good.
00:20:30.000 And so good that- Throwaway lines.
00:20:32.000 Throwaway lines, and a guy who you can't not start sounding like if you watch him too much.
00:20:38.000 Just like David Tell in New York.
00:20:39.000 Right, right, right.
00:20:40.000 So many people started sounding like Don Gavin.
00:20:43.000 You know, Wendy Leibman, Tom Cotter.
00:20:44.000 A lot of people had that throwaway style.
00:20:46.000 You couldn't not look at it and go, oh, this is the way you have to do stand-up comedy.
00:20:50.000 Right.
00:20:50.000 It was so dominant in that way.
00:20:52.000 That was one of the more interesting things is like watching guys reclaim the stage because you'd have specific styles that were so effective.
00:21:02.000 It was hard for the audience to get out of that person's head into another person's head.
00:21:06.000 Yeah.
00:21:06.000 You know, like Sweeney was a great example.
00:21:08.000 Yeah.
00:21:09.000 Because Sweeney was...
00:21:10.000 He's like...
00:21:12.000 Oh, man.
00:21:13.000 One of the most...
00:21:14.000 He was one of the most hilarious comedians, but also one of the most local.
00:21:19.000 Yeah.
00:21:19.000 It was almost like he had a magic trick that wouldn't work when you went to New Hampshire.
00:21:24.000 Like, as soon as you went to Connecticut, it would drop off like 50%.
00:21:27.000 If you went to New York, it was ineffective.
00:21:30.000 If you came to LA, it was nothing.
00:21:32.000 Nothing.
00:21:32.000 It just didn't work.
00:21:33.000 Those Boston jokes.
00:21:34.000 Jokes about being in Boston.
00:21:36.000 But if he was in Saugus, Jesus Christ, the fucking walls would be rattling.
00:21:41.000 Forget it.
00:21:41.000 Like you'd see the chandelier shaking.
00:21:43.000 He was a monster.
00:21:45.000 Yeah, that's why when the guy came out, the guy from The Tonight Show, Came out.
00:21:51.000 He'd heard this when, you know, Johnny was starting to have comics blow up, and he'd heard about all these guys.
00:21:56.000 It was probably in the early 80s.
00:21:59.000 The Ding Ho days, right?
00:22:00.000 The Ding Ho, exactly.
00:22:02.000 Yeah.
00:22:02.000 And the guy who was—God, I'm forgetting the guy's name.
00:22:05.000 He used to run The Tonight Show.
00:22:06.000 But he said, all right, I got to go see these guys.
00:22:08.000 So he flies back to Boston.
00:22:09.000 He was actually from Boston, so he came home, and he went to the Ding Ho, and these killers show up.
00:22:14.000 And they're all in the back and they're doing lines and they're fucking drinking Jack and they go up one after the other and they're doing jokes about, yeah, so you go to Revere and the accent's like, and the guy's sitting there going like, oh, Jim McCauley was his name.
00:22:27.000 And he goes, how the fuck am I going to put these guys on The Tonight Show?
00:22:31.000 And then up walks Stephen Wright, who was like the redheaded stepchild in the Boston comedy scene because he was not aggressive.
00:22:38.000 He was not like killing the way these guys would kill.
00:22:41.000 But he went up and he was doing his deadpan Stephen Wright.
00:22:45.000 And Jim McCauley lit up and he goes, what are you doing next week?
00:22:49.000 Flies him out.
00:22:50.000 He does The Tonight Show.
00:22:52.000 Annihilates.
00:22:53.000 Johnny's head is on the desk and he's pounding it with his fist.
00:22:57.000 And he invited him back the next week to do another spot.
00:23:00.000 And in that first year, he did like six Tonight Shows and he became legendary.
00:23:05.000 He was the man.
00:23:05.000 Yeah.
00:23:05.000 You know, got the HBO. And all these guys are back and forth going...
00:23:09.000 Fucking...
00:23:09.000 That kid?
00:23:10.000 I told you...
00:23:11.000 Fucking...
00:23:11.000 Sweeney told him to stop doing stand-up.
00:23:13.000 He goes, pal, you're a friend.
00:23:15.000 I gotta do you a favor and just tell you.
00:23:16.000 It's not gonna work out, guy.
00:23:19.000 Yeah.
00:23:21.000 Wow.
00:23:22.000 Wow.
00:23:23.000 That's all documented in that When Stand Up Stood Out film.
00:23:27.000 Right.
00:23:27.000 France Alameda's movie?
00:23:28.000 France Alameda's movie, yeah.
00:23:29.000 Which is a great movie.
00:23:30.000 A great movie for comics, too.
00:23:32.000 I mean, even from any place to see.
00:23:33.000 I think it's on Netflix, yeah.
00:23:34.000 Is it?
00:23:35.000 Yeah.
00:23:35.000 It's a great movie for comics to see what happens to a community when it gets sort of co-opted, too.
00:23:42.000 Because it got co-opted by the idea of success.
00:23:45.000 Like, they all got kind of weird with each other.
00:23:48.000 Right.
00:23:48.000 Because when Stephen Wright made it, a lot of guys were like, when's my turn?
00:23:52.000 Right.
00:23:52.000 Like, what the fuck?
00:23:53.000 That's a thing with certain comics.
00:23:57.000 When another comic blows up, you see the fucking resentment.
00:24:02.000 You see the weirdness.
00:24:04.000 With some, and with others, there's real excitement that the brand of Boston is going big.
00:24:13.000 I think in our class, the guys that came up I felt nothing but support.
00:24:19.000 I don't remember there being...
00:24:20.000 We had a good class.
00:24:21.000 Yeah, we did.
00:24:23.000 We had Mike McCarthy.
00:24:25.000 Mike McCarthy, the comedy barbarian.
00:24:27.000 He's doing it.
00:24:28.000 Where's he at?
00:24:28.000 I just saw his picture.
00:24:29.000 He's in Boston.
00:24:30.000 He is?
00:24:30.000 Yeah, I just saw his picture on an ad for one of the Boston clubs.
00:24:34.000 I think Laugh Boston, maybe.
00:24:36.000 Wow.
00:24:37.000 Laugh Boston.
00:24:38.000 That's a good spot.
00:24:39.000 It is a good spot.
00:24:41.000 What's the scene like now?
00:24:42.000 What else they got?
00:24:43.000 Well, Laugh Boston's the heart of it.
00:24:44.000 John Tobin's got rooms in Boston.
00:24:47.000 He's got one in Worcester, Springfield.
00:24:48.000 I think he does the comedy tent down there in the Cape.
00:24:54.000 So, it's strong.
00:24:56.000 There's good, strong local comics.
00:24:58.000 There's a lot of guys that...
00:25:00.000 I'm forgetting this one guy.
00:25:01.000 There's guys that are really fucking killers.
00:25:04.000 Like the new generation of killers.
00:25:06.000 That's good to hear.
00:25:06.000 And you know guys like Robbie Prince that are still there.
00:25:10.000 They're the big new guys.
00:25:13.000 Not the new guys.
00:25:14.000 They're the legends now.
00:25:15.000 They're the ones that the young guys are looking up to.
00:25:17.000 Is Robbie in Boston or is he living in New Hampshire?
00:25:20.000 Wasn't he living in New Hampshire for a while?
00:25:21.000 Oh, I'm not sure.
00:25:21.000 Oh, is he?
00:25:22.000 I think so.
00:25:24.000 Yeah, that's good to hear, though, that there's a new up-and-coming crop.
00:25:27.000 Oh, yeah.
00:25:28.000 Because there was a pause for a while where there wasn't a lot of guys.
00:25:32.000 There was like Burr and Patrice and a few other guys, and then there was a bit of a lull where people weren't coming out of there.
00:25:42.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:25:43.000 I think it really dried up, and then Tobin opened up that club, and it kind of brought things back again.
00:25:50.000 Hmm.
00:25:51.000 And also like, yeah, and then social media.
00:25:53.000 I think it just allowed, it allowed comics to make a name for themselves in Boston.
00:25:59.000 You know, Spacen is one guy who I follow who's really funny.
00:26:05.000 I'm so fucking bad with names now.
00:26:07.000 It's too many names in your head.
00:26:08.000 Yeah.
00:26:08.000 Dunbar's number, you know that, right?
00:26:10.000 What's that?
00:26:11.000 150 people.
00:26:12.000 Keep 150 people in your head.
00:26:13.000 Oh, that's the Rolodex?
00:26:15.000 Yeah, it goes back to like when we lived in tribes.
00:26:17.000 Yeah.
00:26:17.000 Like you have room in your head for intimate friendships or relationships with 150 people.
00:26:22.000 Okay.
00:26:23.000 Yeah.
00:26:24.000 Wow.
00:26:24.000 It's controversial.
00:26:25.000 Some people think you can get up to 200. Yeah.
00:26:27.000 But there's a number where you just blur out.
00:26:30.000 And you and I are way past those numbers.
00:26:33.000 Yeah.
00:26:33.000 Our fucking heads are clogged up.
00:26:35.000 I mean, we know 200-plus comedians.
00:26:38.000 Easy.
00:26:39.000 And then regular people that you know.
00:26:40.000 Yeah, and you have to remember that when you expect people to remember you.
00:26:44.000 I really go out of my way to never walk up to somebody and go like, hey man, you don't remember me?
00:26:51.000 I'm always like, hey man, Greg Fitzsimmons, we met, yeah.
00:26:53.000 And then they go, yeah, yeah, I know, I just want to make sure.
00:26:56.000 I want to be that guy.
00:26:57.000 Because that is the worst fucking feeling when you don't remember somebody.
00:27:01.000 Yeah, they get upset and they have no right to be upset because you don't know.
00:27:06.000 This world is fucked up because there's people like you that have photographic memories.
00:27:10.000 I mean, your recall of facts and scientific terms and shit like that is uncanny.
00:27:17.000 And that's not fair to people like me who have just sieves.
00:27:21.000 Everything goes right through my fucking head.
00:27:23.000 And you know what?
00:27:24.000 I'm smart too, Joe.
00:27:25.000 I believe it.
00:27:26.000 But I don't remember shit.
00:27:27.000 I remember things that I care about.
00:27:28.000 I don't remember everything.
00:27:29.000 But things that are important to me, I remember.
00:27:33.000 Important facts and information.
00:27:35.000 But there's a lot of shit that slips through too.
00:27:38.000 I'm worried that as I get older, I'm going to get dumber.
00:27:42.000 I'm not sure if that's happening, but I'm always paranoid.
00:27:45.000 I'm always paranoid that I'm going to get dumber.
00:27:47.000 I have moments where I feel like, oh, everything's firing great.
00:27:50.000 And then I have other days.
00:27:52.000 It's completely dependent upon sleep.
00:27:54.000 Sleep is huge.
00:27:56.000 God damn it.
00:27:56.000 If I sleep three or four hours and then I go out and I do stuff, I'm 50 IQ points lighter.
00:28:01.000 Right.
00:28:02.000 I'm a dingbat.
00:28:03.000 I can't remember shit.
00:28:04.000 Yeah, they say diet is really important too.
00:28:06.000 Like there's certain things that are great for your brain.
00:28:09.000 Like avocados are great for your brain.
00:28:11.000 Oils.
00:28:12.000 Yeah, oils.
00:28:13.000 Essential fatty acids.
00:28:14.000 Right.
00:28:15.000 Yeah, a lot of stuff is brain food.
00:28:17.000 Right.
00:28:18.000 Yeah, fats.
00:28:19.000 Your brain works on ketones too.
00:28:22.000 Where do you get ketones from?
00:28:24.000 You can get them, exogenous ketones, but ketones are essentially when your body's burning fat.
00:28:28.000 That's what a ketogenic diet is.
00:28:30.000 A lot of people feel like they have a better cognitive response, like their brain works better when they're on a ketogenic diet.
00:28:39.000 Have you ever done that?
00:28:40.000 Keto?
00:28:40.000 Yeah.
00:28:41.000 Yeah.
00:28:41.000 It's annoying.
00:28:42.000 I did it for two weeks and I was like, I can't do this.
00:28:45.000 Well, you can't do it if you go on the road.
00:28:46.000 You can, but it's annoying.
00:28:48.000 Yeah.
00:28:49.000 It's just like, you know, I like other stuff.
00:28:52.000 Right.
00:28:53.000 That's the problem.
00:28:53.000 I like food.
00:28:54.000 Yeah.
00:28:55.000 It's like one of the things I enjoy.
00:28:57.000 Yeah.
00:28:57.000 Like, and so now all I'm eating is like fats.
00:29:00.000 Yeah.
00:29:01.000 Just here, just fucking, I have a friend who was, he was drinking half and half or like cream, like heavy cream.
00:29:08.000 Like he sat here on the podcast, my friend Kyle.
00:29:11.000 Kyle Kingsbury.
00:29:12.000 Yeah, he had a fucking pint of heavy cream he brought on the podcast.
00:29:16.000 And I'm like, what are you doing?
00:29:17.000 You drink that?
00:29:18.000 And he's like, yeah, it's a good source of fats.
00:29:20.000 A ketogenic diet.
00:29:22.000 Wow.
00:29:23.000 He's chugging down heavy fucking cream.
00:29:30.000 And then you just fart and shit all day.
00:29:32.000 I got into drinking ketones for a while.
00:29:34.000 I was taking exogenous ketones.
00:29:36.000 Like, I'd have them shipped to me.
00:29:37.000 And you have to refrigerate them in these little containers.
00:29:40.000 You open it up, and it tastes like Satan's ball sweat.
00:29:44.000 Like, you're downing this stuff.
00:29:46.000 Right.
00:29:48.000 But it's good for the brain.
00:29:50.000 The other thing that's good for the brain is crosswords.
00:29:54.000 Oh yeah.
00:29:55.000 Every day I do Sudoku on my computer.
00:29:59.000 Speed Sudoku.
00:30:00.000 I do it as fast as I can.
00:30:02.000 I did one in a minute and 40 seconds one time.
00:30:05.000 And that's how I get my...
00:30:07.000 Before I do anything in the morning, I just rip through 15 minutes of those.
00:30:12.000 It makes sense that your brain is basically like everything else.
00:30:14.000 If you use it, it gets better.
00:30:16.000 Or at least you maintain it.
00:30:17.000 And if you don't, it atrophies.
00:30:19.000 And trying new things is really important.
00:30:21.000 Learning a new language.
00:30:23.000 During the pandemic, I went back and I started learning French again.
00:30:27.000 Because I studied it in high school and college.
00:30:30.000 And, you know, I'm low-functioning.
00:30:33.000 And so I was like, fuck it, I'm not gonna learn a new language.
00:30:36.000 Let me go back with like an adult brain and try to tackle French.
00:30:40.000 Dude, I don't remember shit.
00:30:42.000 Like, this stuff does not stick with me the way it used to.
00:30:45.000 It's hard.
00:30:46.000 But you gotta do it.
00:30:47.000 Do you ever take any nootropics?
00:30:49.000 No.
00:30:50.000 Nutrients for the brain?
00:30:52.000 No?
00:30:52.000 Oh, no, that's not true.
00:30:53.000 Well, I take...
00:30:54.000 You recommend it, and I take it every day as these mushrooms.
00:30:59.000 What are they called?
00:31:01.000 Lion's mane?
00:31:02.000 Yeah, lion's mane.
00:31:03.000 Yeah, lion's mane, good for the brand.
00:31:04.000 Take it every day.
00:31:05.000 Yeah, that stuff's good.
00:31:06.000 It's got some neuro-regenerative properties.
00:31:10.000 Another one that's good is that gum that we have over there.
00:31:13.000 That Neuro gum.
00:31:14.000 I like that stuff.
00:31:14.000 That's what I was chewing when I got in here.
00:31:16.000 The good thing about that is like it's real easy.
00:31:18.000 Just pop a couple of sticks of gum.
00:31:19.000 It actually tastes good.
00:31:20.000 Freshens your breath a little bit and it's got theanine in it and a little bit of caffeine and a couple other nootropics in it.
00:31:27.000 Yeah.
00:31:28.000 Yeah.
00:31:28.000 We have some new shit.
00:31:29.000 I'll give you a jug of our new AlphaBrain.
00:31:32.000 We got a new AlphaBrain Black Label.
00:31:34.000 Oh yeah?
00:31:34.000 It's fucking potent.
00:31:36.000 It's good shit.
00:31:37.000 I like that a lot.
00:31:38.000 Nice.
00:31:38.000 Yeah, that's something that I take before every UFC. Because UFC's big for memory.
00:31:45.000 And I have to remember fights from fucking decades ago.
00:31:47.000 I have to remember positions and moves.
00:31:49.000 And then when it gets to weird scrambles, I have to be able to explain things like what's in jeopardy while dudes are strangling each other.
00:31:58.000 The right arm, he's got to get the right arm through there and grab this.
00:32:01.000 And sometimes I haven't been in that position in a long time.
00:32:05.000 And I have to go, okay, how does that work?
00:32:07.000 Which arm does he have to cinch it up with?
00:32:10.000 Yeah.
00:32:10.000 I actually think about that sometimes when I see you calling a match.
00:32:13.000 It's like, how the fuck do you stay sharp when you're not doing it every week?
00:32:18.000 Because you've got guys that call baseball games or even football games once a week.
00:32:24.000 They're regularly fucking juicing their mind with these facts.
00:32:28.000 Well, the thing is, I watch it every day.
00:32:29.000 Okay.
00:32:30.000 When I go to the gym, like I'm working out of my house, I either watch John Wick or I watch fights.
00:32:34.000 Oh, no shit.
00:32:35.000 Really?
00:32:36.000 I watch Keanu Reeves kill a bunch of people or I watch fights.
00:32:41.000 There's something about, even if it's just on in the background.
00:32:44.000 But watching fights is big.
00:32:48.000 Because I'll watch different scenarios.
00:32:52.000 A lot of it is pattern recognition.
00:32:54.000 You see certain things that people are doing.
00:32:56.000 You see how the other person's responding to it.
00:32:58.000 You see things that work and don't work.
00:33:00.000 Right, right.
00:33:01.000 And then martial arts is so weird because like, especially mixed martial arts, because there's so many different styles that are involved.
00:33:07.000 Yeah.
00:33:07.000 It's like one style will work on one person, but it'll be completely ineffective on another person.
00:33:13.000 Yeah.
00:33:13.000 It's weird.
00:33:14.000 But you see it like a chess match.
00:33:16.000 Like, I see you call a fight before it fucking happens.
00:33:19.000 He'll be like, he's got the arm, but I don't know the moves, but you can tell when a guy is about to line up a move on somebody else.
00:33:28.000 Yeah, you see how, but that is a specific thing that I don't think you can do.
00:33:34.000 I don't think you can call jujitsu unless you do jujitsu.
00:33:37.000 It's too complex.
00:33:38.000 Yeah.
00:33:39.000 It's like, I don't play chess, and I know how the pieces move, but I don't play it.
00:33:43.000 Yeah.
00:33:44.000 So I can't, like, if I see someone moving, I go, where are they going with that?
00:33:48.000 Oh!
00:33:48.000 I didn't see that!
00:33:50.000 So it's the same thing with Jiu Jitsu.
00:33:52.000 You have to know the actual sport, I think.
00:33:55.000 Maybe I'm wrong.
00:33:57.000 Maybe someone could prove me wrong.
00:33:58.000 But I've never seen a commentator that can call Jiu Jitsu that doesn't practice Jiu Jitsu.
00:34:04.000 Striking is a little different.
00:34:05.000 There's some good boxing commentators that don't box.
00:34:08.000 But you basically have two weapons.
00:34:11.000 Two weapons that work in different ways.
00:34:13.000 But it's a left and a right.
00:34:14.000 So, you know, you have different variations.
00:34:16.000 Like, some guys have, like, stutter moves.
00:34:19.000 And some guys have, like, a pity pad style.
00:34:21.000 And some guys just throw bombs.
00:34:23.000 There's all sorts of different ways to use those two weapons.
00:34:25.000 But you have a left hand and a right hand.
00:34:28.000 And that's it.
00:34:29.000 But with jiu-jitsu, you got leg locks and...
00:34:32.000 Arm bars and shoulder locks and spine locks and twisters and fucking knee bars and footholds.
00:34:40.000 It's a tangle of limbs when people go to the ground.
00:34:44.000 And still there's a lot of shit that I don't...
00:34:46.000 My leg lock game is pretty weak.
00:34:48.000 So when I see guys on the ground and they're going after the legs, that's one that I have to really think hard about what's in danger and what's not in danger.
00:34:57.000 Because you can't put yourself in their position as much.
00:34:59.000 I kind of can, but not like I can with like upper body techniques.
00:35:03.000 Yeah.
00:35:04.000 Because the leg lock game kind of came around, really got really strong in like the 2013, 14, 15, like around then, up until 21. When I really stopped rolling every day was around that time.
00:35:19.000 So that's like right around when the leg lock game became big in competition jiu-jitsu.
00:35:24.000 Right, right.
00:35:26.000 That's super complex.
00:35:28.000 You see guys attacking and counterattacking, going back and forth and scrambling.
00:35:34.000 You're like, Jesus!
00:35:35.000 And trying to call those.
00:35:38.000 That's where there's next-level commentary.
00:35:41.000 You watch jujitsu commentators.
00:35:43.000 They're completely next-level in me when it comes to that.
00:35:46.000 Yeah.
00:35:47.000 That's interesting about not having...
00:35:50.000 I was trying to think of a commentator that wasn't an athlete, and that guy, Joe Buck...
00:35:54.000 His father was a big sports commentator growing up and he never played, as far as I know, I don't think he played sports, but he grew up watching them and watching his father call them and he's the best in the business.
00:36:08.000 What does he commentate on?
00:36:09.000 He does everything.
00:36:11.000 Football.
00:36:12.000 I'm sure he does baseball.
00:36:15.000 What else does Joe Buck do?
00:36:16.000 He's the guy.
00:36:19.000 He's supposed to have a talk show career, but he got derailed by Artie Lang.
00:36:23.000 HBO gave him his own talk show, and Artie came on in the first episode and just fucking co-opted the show.
00:36:30.000 What did he do?
00:36:30.000 He just shit on Joe Buck on his own show, and Joe couldn't handle it.
00:36:34.000 Oh, that's right.
00:36:35.000 Yeah.
00:36:36.000 I remember that.
00:36:37.000 And the show got canceled like a week later.
00:36:42.000 That was heroin using Artie Lang.
00:36:45.000 Artie was wild.
00:36:46.000 Yeah, that was Artie showing up with no shoelaces in his high tops and a jean jacket that was misbuttoned.
00:36:52.000 And if he didn't have respect for you, he's just gonna fucking steamroll you.
00:36:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:36:56.000 Has anybody heard from him?
00:36:58.000 Yeah, I think he's doing good.
00:36:59.000 I checked on him a couple weeks ago.
00:37:00.000 He's not doing any stand-up.
00:37:01.000 I don't think he's doing stand-up, no.
00:37:04.000 If you want to talk to Artie, you've got to call another guy.
00:37:07.000 Who's the guy?
00:37:09.000 I forget the guy's name, but he's trying to weed out people that will be a bad influence.
00:37:14.000 Wow.
00:37:15.000 And I get through because I'm sober, you know, or I'm not.
00:37:18.000 I don't drink anyway.
00:37:19.000 I did a podcast with Artie in New York.
00:37:22.000 I used the Legion of Skinks podcast studio in New York.
00:37:27.000 It was fucking amazing.
00:37:28.000 It was one of the best podcasts I've ever done.
00:37:30.000 He was completely sober.
00:37:32.000 His stories were amazing.
00:37:34.000 There's nobody better at telling stories.
00:37:36.000 He's so funny.
00:37:37.000 He's incredible.
00:37:38.000 He's got little hand gestures he does when he's telling the stories.
00:37:41.000 He's just riveted.
00:37:42.000 Yeah, he's got a great...
00:37:43.000 Gives you a fucking great laugh.
00:37:45.000 Yeah.
00:37:45.000 Generous laugher.
00:37:46.000 Oh, such a good guy.
00:37:48.000 He's the best.
00:37:48.000 Yeah, he's...
00:37:49.000 I did...
00:37:49.000 I wrote on Crashing for a couple seasons, and he was on it, and he was just like...
00:37:55.000 He would show up on set, and he would think, all right, this guy's a fucking mess.
00:37:58.000 His hair is...
00:37:58.000 He looked like fucking Jim from Taxi.
00:38:00.000 He'd show his hair all over the place late.
00:38:03.000 But, man...
00:38:04.000 He fucking knew his lines.
00:38:06.000 And then, you know, they would always ask for improv.
00:38:08.000 That was kind of like the way we shot the show.
00:38:10.000 It was like, all right, let's get what's in the script.
00:38:12.000 And then after we get that, then we'll let the actress play with it.
00:38:15.000 And he would always take it to another level.
00:38:18.000 He was just like, just fucking, just great comedic mind.
00:38:23.000 Did you ever do Kirby Enthusiasm?
00:38:24.000 No.
00:38:25.000 I would love to be a fly on the wall of that show.
00:38:29.000 Because apparently what Larry David does is there's a direct...
00:38:32.000 This is where we have to get to.
00:38:33.000 We have to get to, for instance, the air conditioning's broken.
00:38:36.000 It's hot in here.
00:38:37.000 We've got to call the guy that fixes the air conditioning.
00:38:40.000 I don't want to call him.
00:38:41.000 You call him.
00:38:41.000 That's the thing.
00:38:42.000 And then they work it through.
00:38:44.000 Yep.
00:38:45.000 And like, so he's got like a rough framework, but he just, and so it seems so real when he's doing it.
00:38:54.000 And it's in the casting.
00:38:55.000 He brings people in like, you know, Richard Lewis.
00:39:00.000 Who would have thought Richard Lewis?
00:39:02.000 But like, he's perfect.
00:39:04.000 Perfect.
00:39:04.000 Perfect.
00:39:04.000 He's just so in, he's so like, has captured his own voice.
00:39:09.000 And his relationship with Larry is so perfect.
00:39:12.000 And what's the name of the guy who died?
00:39:15.000 Dave Osborne?
00:39:16.000 Oh, Super Dave.
00:39:17.000 Super Dave was fucking great.
00:39:19.000 Yeah, he was great.
00:39:20.000 He was great.
00:39:21.000 You know what was great that I don't know what happened to him was Crazy Eyes Killer.
00:39:25.000 Who's that?
00:39:26.000 You ever saw that episode?
00:39:27.000 No.
00:39:27.000 It was one of the best episodes ever, like a tear-inducing, can't-breathe episode where there was this rapper.
00:39:34.000 His name was Crazy Eyes Killer.
00:39:36.000 Do you remember that episode?
00:39:39.000 What happened to that guy?
00:39:40.000 He was just an actor, I think.
00:39:42.000 Was he?
00:39:43.000 God damn, he's good.
00:39:44.000 Yeah.
00:39:44.000 He was so good.
00:39:45.000 And J.B. Smoove.
00:39:46.000 Oh my god, J.B. Smoove.
00:39:48.000 I mean, I think that little run he did about...
00:39:51.000 Yeah, he was...
00:39:52.000 Crazy, I killed her.
00:39:55.000 He was a rapper, and Larry and him had some unusual relationship.
00:40:01.000 Season 3. 2002, maybe?
00:40:05.000 Was it?
00:40:05.000 Yep.
00:40:06.000 God damn.
00:40:06.000 They won an award like 1999 for best.
00:40:08.000 God damn.
00:40:10.000 Are they still doing Corrigan enthusiasm?
00:40:13.000 They had just announced that Richard Lewis wasn't going to be available, but he now is, so they're starting to film soon or something.
00:40:18.000 That's the thing when you have as much money as Larry David is.
00:40:21.000 You can just do whatever you want to do, like creatively.
00:40:24.000 Yeah.
00:40:24.000 Doesn't he still drive a fucking Prius, too?
00:40:26.000 Drives a Pirola.
00:40:26.000 He moved to that little BMW, you know, those tiny BMWs.
00:40:31.000 Oh, the little electric ones?
00:40:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:40:32.000 He's driving one of those now.
00:40:33.000 But I see him sometimes.
00:40:34.000 I play in these golf tournaments in L.A. Then he comes out.
00:40:37.000 He fucking loves to play golf.
00:40:39.000 Drives his car.
00:40:40.000 He's the kind of guy, if you bump into him at an airport and people talk to him, he's in it, connects, talks to people.
00:40:49.000 But...
00:40:50.000 Yeah, and then what I like about the show is he doesn't hide that he's a billionaire.
00:40:53.000 It's a sitcom.
00:40:54.000 Usually sitcoms, it's like the whole mandate from the network is you got to be broke, you got to be struggling to follow your dream, you got to be blue-collar, otherwise people aren't going to connect.
00:41:03.000 How about this?
00:41:04.000 How about we give you a billionaire who's famous, who doesn't need anything?
00:41:08.000 There's his little car.
00:41:09.000 Who doesn't need any of his needs met, and then you just see what would happen if you're just neurotic for no reason.
00:41:19.000 Just fucking great.
00:41:21.000 And you see that, like, I think it was very vindicating that you realize, looking back, that Seinfeld was all him.
00:41:28.000 It was a lot of him.
00:41:29.000 I should say all him.
00:41:30.000 It was obviously Seinfeld a lot, too.
00:41:32.000 It was a lot of him.
00:41:32.000 Yeah.
00:41:33.000 Well, yeah, he's just got this absurd sense of humor.
00:41:36.000 Yeah.
00:41:37.000 Yeah.
00:41:37.000 Jesus.
00:41:38.000 But J.B. Smoove's speech about, you gotta get in that ass, Larry.
00:41:42.000 You gotta get in that ass.
00:41:43.000 I mean, that's probably the most famous scene from the history of that show.
00:41:47.000 Oh!
00:41:49.000 You ever had him on, JB? No!
00:41:52.000 Last time I ran into him was at the UPS store.
00:41:54.000 I have a great JB Smooth story, but unfortunately I told it many times.
00:41:58.000 We were late going to a gig.
00:42:00.000 Both of us got lost.
00:42:01.000 Some weird gig in New Jersey.
00:42:03.000 And I was supposed to headline.
00:42:04.000 He was supposed to open, but he was really late.
00:42:06.000 And I sat in the green room and I watched this horrible documentary about the Malibu fires.
00:42:12.000 All these people crying.
00:42:13.000 This kid's calling out for her dog.
00:42:15.000 It was...
00:42:17.000 Awful.
00:42:17.000 Awful.
00:42:17.000 Just cinders of burning buildings and shit.
00:42:20.000 And then they came in and said, look, JB's not here, so we're just going to open up with you.
00:42:24.000 And I went on stage and just ate shit.
00:42:28.000 Ate shit.
00:42:28.000 So sad.
00:42:29.000 I went on stage sad.
00:42:31.000 Watching people calling out for their dog.
00:42:33.000 Rusty!
00:42:34.000 Where are you, Rusty?
00:42:35.000 It was so...
00:42:37.000 It was so awful.
00:42:38.000 And I recognized that.
00:42:40.000 I mean, I didn't know any better.
00:42:41.000 You should have stopped 10 minutes into your set and gone, it's Rusty!
00:42:43.000 Ah!
00:42:44.000 Dude, I was so green.
00:42:46.000 I was like three years in a comedy.
00:42:48.000 Yeah.
00:42:48.000 I was terrible.
00:42:49.000 Yeah.
00:42:49.000 And I couldn't, there was no chance, like if things went bad, they just went bad.
00:42:54.000 Yeah.
00:42:54.000 There's no pulling out.
00:42:56.000 Right.
00:42:56.000 There's no like, we almost hit the mountain.
00:42:58.000 No, I'm going right into that fucking mountain and I'm going to die a fiery death.
00:43:02.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:43:03.000 Those days were rough, man.
00:43:04.000 Dude, I did a college show when I was not that far in, and it was...
00:43:09.000 No, I guess I'd been doing it for a while, but it was the day of the Columbine shooting, and I was in a hotel in Ohio doing some fucking small school, and I'm sitting there on the edge of my bed, like, my bag is half unpacked, and I'm sitting on the edge of the bed watching CNN going,
00:43:24.000 this is fucking brutal.
00:43:26.000 And I'm waiting for a phone call about canceling the show.
00:43:30.000 Like, there's no way we're doing this fucking show.
00:43:32.000 This is at a school where, you know...
00:43:34.000 And they go, no, we're going to do the show.
00:43:35.000 And so I get there and I'm like, all right, this is fucking crazy.
00:43:38.000 And they had about, you know, 15 people showed up.
00:43:42.000 And then the student activities director goes up on stage before me and she goes, before we start the show, I think we all are aware of what happened today.
00:43:49.000 And I thought we should have a moment of silence for the students that died in Columbine.
00:43:53.000 And everybody puts their heads down.
00:43:54.000 People are fucking crying.
00:43:56.000 And now here's Greg Fitzsimmons.
00:44:01.000 And you know, those college shows, man, if you don't do your 60 minutes, they don't give you the check.
00:44:06.000 And I just went up there and I just remember, oh, it was nothing.
00:44:10.000 There was no doing an act.
00:44:12.000 I just started talking out my act and just watching that clock tick on that back wall, minute by minute, waiting to get that fucking $1,200.
00:44:24.000 Was it one of them that you had to send the check in and then they sent you a check back?
00:44:28.000 Oh, yeah.
00:44:28.000 Like an agency?
00:44:29.000 Yeah, it goes to the agency first.
00:44:31.000 Yeah.
00:44:31.000 And you have to wait.
00:44:32.000 Yeah.
00:44:32.000 Hopefully they pay you.
00:44:34.000 Yep.
00:44:35.000 Yep.
00:44:35.000 And then I had an agent in Chicago, Bass Shuler.
00:44:42.000 It's now...
00:44:43.000 Yeah, Bass Shuler is the agency.
00:44:45.000 And they got a letter sent to them one time.
00:44:47.000 I did a high school prom show in Iowa.
00:44:50.000 And it was...
00:44:51.000 Oh, Jesus.
00:44:52.000 Oh, Jesus.
00:44:52.000 Well, I was doing a bunch of colleges and then they called me up and they go, well, there's a high school prom.
00:44:55.000 You got a night off on Tuesday and there's a high school prom that's on your route.
00:44:59.000 Do you want to do it?
00:45:00.000 And I was like, the fuck do I care?
00:45:01.000 Yeah, I'll do a high school prom.
00:45:03.000 So I show up and it's like in one of these like corn fed Midwestern small towns where like they all went to church on a bus before the prom started.
00:45:13.000 And so, and now I just show up, and they, you know, they're all on the dance floor, and they stop it, and they go, all right, now we're going to have a comedian, and I go up, and it was like, what was the movie where they weren't allowed to dance, and then all of a sudden, like, they're dancing?
00:45:27.000 Footloose.
00:45:27.000 It was like Footloose with comedy.
00:45:29.000 I get up there, and they fucking loved it, but I was, they told me to be clean, but, you know, I was relatively clean, I thought.
00:45:38.000 And so I do the show, and then I get a letter sent to me, sent to my agent, to Scott Bass, and it was from the principal, Dr. Dave Nixon, and he said that I had corrupted the values of the town.
00:45:55.000 Because I talked about doing cocaine, and I invited them to my motel for a keg after the show.
00:46:03.000 And I talked about having sex with my grandmother, which were all taken out of context.
00:46:07.000 Right.
00:46:07.000 They were jokes.
00:46:08.000 So you were probably like 23. Yeah.
00:46:11.000 And they were like 1920. So they're basically your peers.
00:46:15.000 Yes.
00:46:16.000 Yes.
00:46:16.000 And so I get the letter and I start reading it on stage.
00:46:20.000 Yeah.
00:46:21.000 And I ended up doing a Comedy Central special where I read the letter on stage.
00:46:27.000 And I sent a videotape of it to the guy at the school.
00:46:30.000 It was Emmitsburg Senior High School in Emmitsburg, Iowa.
00:46:34.000 Well, you wrote a book, Letter to Mrs. Fitzsimmons.
00:46:37.000 Yes.
00:46:37.000 That was in it.
00:46:38.000 I put that letter in the book.
00:46:41.000 Greg wrote a whole book on letters that his mom got from him being an asshole.
00:46:49.000 Arrest, you know, arrest, you know, receipts from the police station, letters from principals, bad behavior reports, and then it went through.
00:46:59.000 And the beauty of it is the letter ends with my asshole kids getting letters sent home.
00:47:04.000 And so the last chapter of the book is me printing letters I'd gotten about them.
00:47:09.000 And they, like, mirrored the exact shit that I was doing when I was a kid.
00:47:12.000 I remember there was a story I'd heard secondhand from a gig that you did in New Hampshire, where it was one of those gigs where they told you, don't drive at night because there's so many moose on the road that you might die.
00:47:24.000 And you get there, and you fucking, they said, this is a clean show, you can't swear.
00:47:29.000 Like, the first word out of your mouth is, fuck.
00:47:31.000 Yeah.
00:47:32.000 And they sent you home immediately.
00:47:34.000 Yep.
00:47:34.000 And you had to drive home on this fucking moose-infected highway.
00:47:39.000 Well, there's like a real chance that you could die.
00:47:44.000 And the worst part is, Mike McDonald, that comedian, set me up at the gig.
00:47:48.000 And it was called the Balsam's Hotel, and it's this famous...
00:47:52.000 It's like The Shining.
00:47:53.000 It's one of those old, beautiful hotels.
00:47:55.000 And I'm a big golfer, and they have a golf course that's world-class.
00:48:00.000 And like gourmet dinner, big room, the whole thing.
00:48:03.000 And I got my fucking golf clubs.
00:48:06.000 I've already unpacked them.
00:48:07.000 When I got off stage, they said, don't use the F word.
00:48:10.000 So I walked on and I go, so they said, I can't say fuck.
00:48:13.000 At that point, they sent somebody in my room, packed my shit and had it waiting for me when I got off stage.
00:48:21.000 And they're like, you're done.
00:48:23.000 How many days are you supposed to be there?
00:48:25.000 Just overnight, but then I was supposed to play golf the next day.
00:48:27.000 They set me up with a day.
00:48:29.000 And Mike McDonald was so fucking pissing me.
00:48:31.000 He's like, man, I put my neck out for you.
00:48:34.000 You do this to me.
00:48:38.000 You ever have to fight for not getting paid on a gig?
00:48:41.000 Well, there was one time where I didn't get all the money, and it was a mob-run room in New Haven, Connecticut.
00:48:50.000 Oh, I remember that.
00:48:51.000 Joker's Wild.
00:48:52.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:48:52.000 And he goes, hey, you're lucky you're getting anything.
00:48:54.000 And I was like, Jesus Christ.
00:48:57.000 That guy, the guy who ran it, John, I saw him beat a guy with his shoe.
00:49:01.000 He pulled his shoe off.
00:49:03.000 And, you know, the wooden heel of his shoe, like a dress shoe, was beating the guy in the face like fucking Joe Pesci from Goodfellas.
00:49:10.000 Beating him in the face with his shoe.
00:49:12.000 Really?
00:49:12.000 Blood everywhere.
00:49:13.000 I mean, a shoe, like the bottom of a shoe, you could fuck somebody up with it.
00:49:18.000 Damn.
00:49:18.000 And apparently he knew this.
00:49:20.000 It wasn't like the first time he beat somebody with a shoe, I don't think.
00:49:24.000 Wow.
00:49:24.000 So he had his shoe off in his hand, and he's beating this guy in the face with his shoe and blood splattered.
00:49:30.000 He had blood splattered all over his shirt.
00:49:33.000 He was a dangerous guy.
00:49:34.000 Dude, but you know who went after him?
00:49:36.000 He started saying shit about Bill Blumenreich.
00:49:40.000 You know Bill Blumenreich in Boston?
00:49:41.000 Of course I know Bill.
00:49:42.000 Bill's a good friend.
00:49:43.000 I love Bill.
00:49:44.000 And Bill went down there and straightened him out.
00:49:46.000 Bill's the wrong guy to fuck with.
00:49:48.000 He brought a baseball bat down to fucking straighten this guy out because he said shit about Bill's family or something.
00:49:52.000 Yeah, Bill's not to be fucked with.
00:49:55.000 No.
00:49:55.000 No.
00:49:55.000 He's a big guy, too.
00:49:57.000 He's a big, fucking tough guy.
00:49:58.000 And he's a really great guy until he's not.
00:50:01.000 Yeah, right.
00:50:02.000 He's a great guy.
00:50:03.000 Yeah.
00:50:04.000 Until you fuck with him.
00:50:05.000 Uh-huh.
00:50:05.000 And then the switch turns and you see the darkness behind his eyes.
00:50:08.000 Uh-huh.
00:50:09.000 Wasn't he a stockbroker?
00:50:10.000 Yeah.
00:50:11.000 Yeah.
00:50:11.000 Those guys were all psychos.
00:50:13.000 Yeah, and then he started the Faneuil Hall Comedy Connection.
00:50:16.000 And runs the Wilbur Theater.
00:50:19.000 And he has another theater there, too, apparently.
00:50:21.000 He might be the one that does the comedy tent in Cape Cod.
00:50:24.000 I can't remember if it's him or John Tobin.
00:50:26.000 I love Bill.
00:50:27.000 I've been working for Bill for, what, fucking 30 years or some shit?
00:50:30.000 Yeah.
00:50:31.000 Whenever I'm back in town.
00:50:32.000 When I do the garden, I'm doing it with him.
00:50:34.000 No shit.
00:50:35.000 Yeah, I do everything with him.
00:50:36.000 Wow.
00:50:36.000 If I'm in Boston, I love that guy.
00:50:38.000 He's awesome.
00:50:39.000 Takes good care of you.
00:50:40.000 He's just fucking great.
00:50:41.000 He's a great guy.
00:50:42.000 I remember one time we were in Aspen.
00:50:44.000 He showed up at the Aspen Comedy Festival with a full length, all the way down to the floor, mink coat.
00:50:51.000 Like this fucking...
00:50:52.000 I've never seen a grown man with a mink coat.
00:50:54.000 He goes, it's wonderful.
00:50:55.000 Look how I feel it.
00:50:56.000 Put it on, how warm it is.
00:50:57.000 I put it on.
00:50:58.000 I was like, oh, this is so warm.
00:51:01.000 I've just never seen a grown man with a full-length mink coat, like fucking Morris Day from the Times.
00:51:10.000 Does the coat come with four runaways?
00:51:14.000 Four runaways?
00:51:15.000 That you're pimping?
00:51:16.000 Oh, no.
00:51:16.000 Just four runaway teenage girls?
00:51:18.000 No.
00:51:20.000 It was like a brown mink coat.
00:51:23.000 And I remember seeing him.
00:51:24.000 You know, Bill's a big guy anyway.
00:51:26.000 He's walking down the street in the snow out and he's got this giant mink coat.
00:51:30.000 That's great.
00:51:31.000 I wonder if Aspen is too politically correct to wear fur anymore.
00:51:39.000 I would doubt it.
00:51:40.000 There's so many rich people there.
00:51:42.000 Yeah, they must make an exception.
00:51:44.000 Maybe.
00:51:44.000 It's a weird thing, right?
00:51:46.000 Like, the fur thing.
00:51:49.000 Because it is kind of a fucked up thing that you just kill animals just for their fur.
00:51:56.000 Yeah.
00:51:59.000 But on the other hand, people have been doing that to stay warm forever.
00:52:03.000 And then it just became a thing.
00:52:05.000 You know what it was?
00:52:06.000 I think when people started seeing videos of how animals were treated.
00:52:12.000 Some people don't even like when you have fake fur.
00:52:14.000 I've had people give me shit for...
00:52:15.000 I had a hoodie that had fake fur around the edge.
00:52:19.000 And this girl came up to me and she goes, I don't like your fur.
00:52:22.000 I go, it's fake.
00:52:24.000 She goes, well, I don't like what it represents.
00:52:25.000 I was like, fake animals?
00:52:28.000 Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
00:52:29.000 Feel it.
00:52:30.000 It's just synthetic.
00:52:31.000 She didn't like the fur.
00:52:32.000 She was looking for something to be mad at.
00:52:33.000 But like the synthetic, like it's a weird thing, like synthetic fur.
00:52:37.000 Because it represented that.
00:52:38.000 Yeah, it represents, it's like if you have like fake shrunken heads in your house.
00:52:44.000 You know?
00:52:47.000 My dad, when my dad started making some money, because my parents grew up broke in the Bronx, and then my dad made some money in radio, and then he bought my mom a fur coat.
00:52:56.000 And it was like a full-length fucking, I can't remember what kind of fur it was.
00:53:00.000 But she worked at the New York Times.
00:53:02.000 She was a secretary at the New York Times.
00:53:03.000 And so she used to walk from Grand, she'd take the train into Grand Central Station, and she would walk into Times Square.
00:53:11.000 And this is in the fucking 80s.
00:53:13.000 You know, she would walk with a mink coat through the fucking...
00:53:16.000 Talk about 6th Street in Austin.
00:53:18.000 It was like...
00:53:19.000 Sketchy area.
00:53:20.000 Sketchy.
00:53:20.000 And a mink coat is thousands of dollars.
00:53:22.000 I know.
00:53:23.000 And somehow she never got fucking...
00:53:25.000 She had attitude.
00:53:26.000 She walked right through there every fucking day.
00:53:29.000 What's weird about fur is that leather is everywhere.
00:53:34.000 Yeah.
00:53:34.000 Which is fur without the hair.
00:53:36.000 Right.
00:53:36.000 Like, people are cool with fur as long as it doesn't have the hair.
00:53:40.000 Well, because I think it's a byproduct of an animal you're killing for the meat, whereas with the mink, you're not eating the meat.
00:53:45.000 Right.
00:53:46.000 I guess.
00:53:47.000 Are we sure?
00:53:49.000 Not at all.
00:53:50.000 I'm talking out of my ass.
00:53:52.000 I mean, when we think about leather, I would imagine that if you're working for some...
00:53:56.000 I mean, if you're making sustainable leather...
00:53:59.000 You would use it from a cow that they're butchering for food.
00:54:02.000 But is there specific cows they just take leather off of?
00:54:07.000 That would be horrible.
00:54:07.000 Yeah, or do they have to be younger?
00:54:08.000 Is the older animal not good leather?
00:54:12.000 Well, I know Spanish bull leather.
00:54:15.000 Spanish bull leather is something that people like for briefcases and shit.
00:54:20.000 Yeah.
00:54:21.000 It's like a thing.
00:54:22.000 Ostrich leather?
00:54:23.000 Ostriches are They're cunts.
00:54:25.000 Yeah.
00:54:25.000 Those fucking rotten birds.
00:54:27.000 Really?
00:54:27.000 Oh, they're mean.
00:54:28.000 Birds are fucking mean, man.
00:54:29.000 Yeah.
00:54:30.000 Birds don't have...
00:54:31.000 If you have a dog, dogs are furry.
00:54:34.000 People have connections with dogs.
00:54:35.000 We love dogs.
00:54:36.000 They love you back.
00:54:37.000 Everybody loves dogs.
00:54:38.000 You had a dog skin jacket.
00:54:39.000 People beat the fuck out of you.
00:54:41.000 Yeah.
00:54:41.000 But an ostrich, people are like, yeah, good.
00:54:44.000 Fuck that punty bird.
00:54:45.000 Yeah, or an alligator.
00:54:47.000 Fuck yeah, alligator shoes.
00:54:48.000 Oh my god, I love killing alligators.
00:54:50.000 Yeah.
00:54:50.000 I've never killed one, but I love buying alligators.
00:54:53.000 I have a crocodile belt on right now.
00:54:56.000 Oh yeah?
00:54:56.000 Yeah.
00:54:57.000 Most belts and stuff, I try to buy my pool cue case.
00:55:01.000 It's made out of alligator.
00:55:02.000 Uh-huh.
00:55:03.000 I buy leather that's made out of alligators.
00:55:05.000 I hate those fucking things.
00:55:06.000 I think they're disgusting.
00:55:07.000 There's too many of them.
00:55:08.000 It's amazing they're still alive, isn't it?
00:55:10.000 There's so many of them.
00:55:11.000 When you see one, how fucking ancient they look.
00:55:13.000 Yeah.
00:55:13.000 They're dinosaurs.
00:55:14.000 They're legit dinosaurs.
00:55:15.000 Right.
00:55:16.000 Yeah.
00:55:16.000 And they're all over the place.
00:55:17.000 We were talking the other day about Disneyland in Florida that over the last few years they've pulled hundreds of alligators out of Disney World.
00:55:25.000 Well, dude, that girl got eaten.
00:55:27.000 Yeah, a little kid.
00:55:27.000 Yeah.
00:55:28.000 Yeah.
00:55:28.000 Imagine?
00:55:29.000 You're a two-year-old.
00:55:30.000 You remember what it was like when your kids were two?
00:55:33.000 Yeah.
00:55:33.000 Like, you love them so much.
00:55:34.000 You're so protective of them.
00:55:36.000 Mm-hmm.
00:55:38.000 Yeah.
00:55:39.000 They're so vulnerable.
00:55:40.000 And the guilt that you would feel.
00:55:41.000 And to see them getting killed by an alligator.
00:55:43.000 Yeah.
00:55:44.000 That was a fucking lawsuit.
00:55:46.000 Oh, God.
00:55:46.000 I'm sure.
00:55:47.000 But they probably just paid them off.
00:55:49.000 I mean, Disneyland's just printing money.
00:55:51.000 Or Disney World.
00:55:52.000 Yeah.
00:55:53.000 Disneyland's been shut down for a fucking year.
00:55:56.000 Is that the one in California?
00:55:57.000 Yeah.
00:55:57.000 They're open again now, but they were trying to sue to try to get open again.
00:56:01.000 You know, the strictest laws in California when it came to COVID, but it didn't have an impact on, like, the number of cases.
00:56:09.000 It didn't have an impact on the number of deaths.
00:56:12.000 Like, in comparison to Florida, where they just went buck wild and wide open.
00:56:15.000 Right.
00:56:16.000 It's like, Florida did better.
00:56:18.000 Mm-hmm.
00:56:19.000 With their fucking cunty alligators wandering around.
00:56:23.000 Now they got...
00:56:24.000 The Everglades are filled with fucking anacondas.
00:56:27.000 Pythons.
00:56:28.000 Oh, pythons, yeah.
00:56:29.000 They killed all the mammals.
00:56:31.000 They did this study on mammals in the Everglades.
00:56:34.000 They used to have raccoons and marsh hares and all these different deer.
00:56:39.000 Nothing.
00:56:40.000 Wow.
00:56:40.000 Nothing.
00:56:41.000 Everything's gone.
00:56:42.000 It's all pythons.
00:56:43.000 No shit.
00:56:43.000 It's pythons and alligators.
00:56:44.000 It's so bad now that pythons are eating alligators.
00:56:47.000 Oh, I saw a video of that.
00:56:50.000 It's crazy.
00:56:50.000 There's a photo, a famous photo.
00:56:53.000 Look at this.
00:56:53.000 Florida Python Challenge gets underway with a new $10,000 prize.
00:56:57.000 Yeah, they're trying to...
00:56:58.000 What they really should do is, first of all, California, which is so fucking dumb, you can't buy Python goods.
00:57:08.000 Why?
00:57:08.000 Because they're assholes.
00:57:09.000 They've just decided that's an exotic and we don't want to...
00:57:12.000 It's just political.
00:57:14.000 It's completely...
00:57:14.000 It's all about optics.
00:57:16.000 Right.
00:57:16.000 Like the idea that you're gonna have these exotics.
00:57:19.000 Like why is it okay to have like lambskin or sheepskin?
00:57:25.000 Why is that okay?
00:57:26.000 Why is it okay to have Uggs with sheepskin inside of them?
00:57:29.000 That's okay.
00:57:30.000 It's okay to have a leather jacket.
00:57:31.000 It's not okay to have a cunty python.
00:57:33.000 Yeah.
00:57:34.000 That's crazy.
00:57:35.000 It doesn't make any sense.
00:57:36.000 There's no logic to it at all.
00:57:38.000 You can't have pythons.
00:57:39.000 And meanwhile, what they should do is make it available everywhere and make it so that it's commercially fishable or huntable.
00:57:48.000 You can go out there and collect these fucking pythons if it's very valuable.
00:57:52.000 They'll at least be able to put a dent.
00:57:54.000 The problem is it's all swamps, so they can't even find them.
00:57:57.000 They're never going to put a dent.
00:57:59.000 That ship is sailed.
00:58:02.000 Look at this.
00:58:03.000 185 pound Burmese python captured in Naples.
00:58:06.000 Might be the heaviest in Florida history.
00:58:08.000 How big?
00:58:10.000 I think it might have been 16 feet.
00:58:12.000 Damn.
00:58:12.000 This was a female.
00:58:14.000 They got a male that was 140 with it.
00:58:16.000 I saw one, there's one somewhere that...
00:58:19.000 How big do those fucking things get?
00:58:21.000 Like, what's the biggest python?
00:58:22.000 I was looking at something on the internet and I was like, is this real?
00:58:26.000 Because it was said they found a 30-foot python and it was eating dogs.
00:58:31.000 Oh, yeah.
00:58:33.000 They get that big?
00:58:34.000 Well, it ate a fucking alligator.
00:58:37.000 According to this, longest in Florida, 18.9 feet.
00:58:42.000 What about longest in like, I think this was in South Pacific, somewhere in Asia.
00:58:49.000 It's all pets, too.
00:58:51.000 That's what's crazy.
00:58:51.000 185 pounds is big enough to eat a 150-pound man.
00:58:55.000 Oh, yeah?
00:58:55.000 Oh, yeah.
00:58:55.000 Yeah, this while you're whole.
00:58:57.000 Yeah.
00:58:57.000 Yeah.
00:58:58.000 Another thing they have in Florida that's everywhere is iguanas.
00:59:01.000 Mm-hmm.
00:59:02.000 Everywhere.
00:59:03.000 Yeah.
00:59:03.000 I went down a YouTube rabbit hole the other day where people hunt and cook iguanas in their backyard.
00:59:09.000 Wow.
00:59:09.000 Yeah, because people who live on canals, they live near canals, they get like a bow fishing setup, and they're out there shooting and killing iguanas, and they turn them into chicken wings.
00:59:20.000 Yeah, they whack their legs off, and they fry them, they fry them up, and they batter them, and they make these, it looks delicious, like these Asian dishes.
00:59:28.000 This might be the one.
00:59:29.000 That's it, that's the one.
00:59:30.000 So 33 feet.
00:59:31.000 33 feet.
00:59:32.000 Holy shit.
00:59:33.000 That's exactly the one.
00:59:34.000 Where was that?
00:59:35.000 It says it was, excuse me, in Brazil.
00:59:37.000 Yeah.
00:59:38.000 Jesus Christ.
00:59:39.000 Damn!
00:59:40.000 Oh my god!
00:59:42.000 Look at the size of that thing!
00:59:44.000 Holy shit!
00:59:45.000 You can't fake that.
00:59:46.000 What is that thing?
00:59:47.000 Eat!
00:59:48.000 Dogs.
00:59:49.000 That's what they were saying.
00:59:50.000 Giant snake found in Brazil.
00:59:52.000 10 meters.
00:59:53.000 Wow.
00:59:54.000 Oh my god.
00:59:55.000 Look how fat that thing is.
00:59:58.000 That is so crazy that that's a real creature that lives alongside us.
01:00:03.000 Imagine if you're just fucking hiking and you see a 30-foot snake staring you down.
01:00:07.000 I mean, that is so big.
01:00:09.000 Wait, that's an anaconda.
01:00:11.000 Is a python and anaconda the same thing?
01:00:14.000 No, different.
01:00:14.000 33-foot anaconda.
01:00:16.000 Well, that was that fucking movie with Jennifer Lopez, remember?
01:00:20.000 Anaconda?
01:00:21.000 Where they were even bigger?
01:00:22.000 Because they think that there used to be giant anacondas in the Amazon that were even bigger than that.
01:00:29.000 Like what is the biggest, like the myth of the giant anaconda is something that's apparently, it's in dispute whether or not they're real things.
01:00:37.000 I was trying to find the biggest python, which I did see it to say a reticulated python can grow up to 30 feet.
01:00:43.000 But anacondas I believe are bigger.
01:00:46.000 I typed in biggest snake and that's how I got that, which was anacondas.
01:00:49.000 I think they think that at one point in time anacondas would get to 100 feet long.
01:00:55.000 Like, it's all myth.
01:00:56.000 It's hard to tell what's horseshit or not, but there's, like, photos of ones that people took from planes where you see this thing that looks like a telephone pole, but a 100-foot-long telephone pole making its way through the water.
01:01:09.000 Like, that big.
01:01:10.000 Wow.
01:01:12.000 Shit.
01:01:13.000 I don't know if it's real, though.
01:01:14.000 Dude, the alligators get fucking big in Florida, too.
01:01:17.000 My, uh...
01:01:18.000 My mom lives down there and she plays golf.
01:01:20.000 And there's a pond that has fucking alligators in it.
01:01:25.000 On the golf course.
01:01:26.000 On the golf course.
01:01:27.000 They just wander around.
01:01:28.000 So she was standing on the edge of the pond one day.
01:01:32.000 Her ball is near the edge.
01:01:33.000 And for some reason she decides to play it.
01:01:36.000 Not kick it out in the fairway.
01:01:37.000 She plays it from the edge.
01:01:38.000 She takes the club back and she loses her balance and she fucking falls in the water.
01:01:44.000 Over her head.
01:01:45.000 Goes under.
01:01:46.000 And then goes to get out of the water, and she's, like, pulling herself up, but it's a muddy slope, and she can't get out, and she's, like, fucking flailing on the side, and somebody helps her out, and she got out of the water, and, I mean, she was so scared that when she got out,
01:02:02.000 she started laughing, and she was laying on the side of the pond fucking laughing for, like, two minutes.
01:02:07.000 LAUGHTER My mom's like five foot two.
01:02:11.000 Oh my god.
01:02:12.000 She's 78 years old.
01:02:13.000 Oh my god.
01:02:15.000 Imagine if that's how she went out.
01:02:17.000 Yeah.
01:02:17.000 Golfing near a pond.
01:02:19.000 Getting spun around in circles by an alligator in the middle of the water.
01:02:23.000 What's the worst animal to die at the hands of, if you had to choose?
01:02:29.000 Probably hyenas.
01:02:31.000 Wolves, hyenas, because they eat your guts first.
01:02:34.000 Yeah.
01:02:34.000 Yeah, if you see hyena videos, they're pulling, like gazelles, they pull their guts out.
01:02:40.000 They're eating them guts first.
01:02:42.000 Coyotes do that too, they eat your asshole first.
01:02:44.000 Oh, wow.
01:02:46.000 The asshole.
01:02:47.000 Yeah.
01:02:47.000 A friend of mine who's a wildlife biologist was telling me about...
01:02:51.000 There was a girl who got killed in Canada a few years back by coyotes.
01:02:57.000 And the particular area where she was in, she was a really...
01:03:02.000 A petite girl.
01:03:03.000 And she apparently was a very talented singer.
01:03:05.000 She was a talented folk singer.
01:03:08.000 Yeah, I think that's what it was.
01:03:09.000 I think she was a folk singer.
01:03:11.000 And she was just going for a walk.
01:03:15.000 And she got killed by coyotes, which is super, super rare.
01:03:19.000 But he was saying that is one of the worst ways to go because they try to kill you asshole first.
01:03:24.000 Her death is the only known fatal coyote attack on an adult as well as the only known fatal coyote attack on a human ever confirmed in Canada.
01:03:32.000 Wow.
01:03:33.000 She was 19 years old in Nova Scotia.
01:03:36.000 It's fucking crazy.
01:03:38.000 They're creeps, man.
01:03:40.000 Coyotes are creeps.
01:03:41.000 Yeah.
01:03:41.000 Creepy little fuckers.
01:03:42.000 Right.
01:03:43.000 I'm sure they'd grab a fucking baby if they had a chance.
01:03:46.000 Oh, 100%.
01:03:46.000 Yeah.
01:03:47.000 Oh yeah, 100%.
01:03:48.000 Yeah, you leave a baby in the yard, coyotes would grab them.
01:03:50.000 Right.
01:03:51.000 They're fucking assholes, man.
01:03:53.000 Didn't you ever run in when you lived in Colorado with- Mountain Lion ate my dog.
01:03:56.000 Yeah, that's right.
01:03:58.000 Right.
01:03:59.000 Yeah.
01:04:00.000 That's normal.
01:04:01.000 I mean, that's what they pray.
01:04:02.000 That's one thing they found in San Francisco.
01:04:04.000 You know, because California does not allow people...
01:04:07.000 Oh, that's a guy who got his dog from the mouth of an alligator.
01:04:11.000 Oh, shit.
01:04:11.000 That guy's a savage.
01:04:12.000 Look at that.
01:04:13.000 And he's got a fucking cigar in his mouth the whole time!
01:04:16.000 Look at him.
01:04:16.000 He didn't even drop the cigar.
01:04:20.000 Look, he got his hands in there.
01:04:22.000 Look at that guy.
01:04:23.000 He's old.
01:04:24.000 What his beautiful mustache, too.
01:04:25.000 Look, he's opening the jaw.
01:04:27.000 Now he's got his fingers stuck in there.
01:04:28.000 I wonder if he killed it with that fucking Kong, when Kong killed the T-Rex.
01:04:33.000 Aw, look at the little puppy.
01:04:35.000 Look at the little sweetie.
01:04:36.000 Yeah, and he's got the dog on his hat.
01:04:39.000 Fuck.
01:04:39.000 That's great.
01:04:42.000 He got lucky that was a little alligator.
01:04:45.000 There's cunts.
01:04:45.000 They're everywhere.
01:04:46.000 They're fucking everywhere in Florida now.
01:04:48.000 Yeah, they're everywhere.
01:04:49.000 They're infested.
01:04:50.000 But at least those are, like, native.
01:04:52.000 Those are native creatures.
01:04:54.000 The thing that freaks me out is the pythons, because they were some dickhead's pets.
01:04:57.000 Yeah.
01:04:58.000 See if you can find any of those videos on people hunting iguanas in their backyard, because it's wild.
01:05:04.000 Like, these iguanas are five feet long.
01:05:06.000 They're like fucking this big.
01:05:07.000 They're huge.
01:05:08.000 Like this chick was holding this up, this one that she shot.
01:05:11.000 And I'm like, I had no idea.
01:05:13.000 Look at the size of that thing.
01:05:14.000 Fuck, they are ugly.
01:05:15.000 I had no idea.
01:05:17.000 Oh, that's Outdoors Alley.
01:05:19.000 I met her before.
01:05:20.000 She used to work with First Light.
01:05:25.000 She's like a famous outdoor influencer.
01:05:29.000 And she...
01:05:31.000 Look at all of them.
01:05:32.000 God, that's all...
01:05:33.000 Iguanas that they killed?
01:05:34.000 Yeah, dude, they're everywhere down there.
01:05:36.000 They're literally everywhere.
01:05:37.000 And so they hunt them, and then they cook them.
01:05:41.000 Look at that one that fucking guy's got.
01:05:42.000 He's holding up.
01:05:43.000 The size of that goddamn thing.
01:05:45.000 Oh, yeah.
01:05:45.000 Last time we talked about this, I stumbled across a video of guys eating them.
01:05:48.000 Yeah, they eat them.
01:05:49.000 Yeah.
01:05:49.000 Apparently they taste delicious.
01:05:50.000 Mm-hmm.
01:05:52.000 This guy had them.
01:05:53.000 He made sort of an Asian recipe with soy sauce and scallions and had stir-fried and put it in a batter.
01:06:01.000 I'm like, that looks pretty fucking good.
01:06:02.000 Yeah.
01:06:03.000 And they were eating it.
01:06:04.000 They're like, God, this is delicious.
01:06:05.000 We went on a safari one time in South Africa.
01:06:09.000 That was primal.
01:06:10.000 And they had a restaurant.
01:06:11.000 It was called Carnivore, and it was right in the Kruger State Park.
01:06:17.000 And they'd come around with skewers to the table and it would be like, hey, you want some fucking bison?
01:06:22.000 You want some crocodile?
01:06:24.000 You want some...
01:06:25.000 They had zebra.
01:06:27.000 Because they had to thin out the herd.
01:06:29.000 You know, they basically, whatever they were thinning out that day, that's what was on the menu.
01:06:33.000 Did you eat zebra?
01:06:34.000 I ate zebra.
01:06:35.000 What'd that taste like?
01:06:36.000 It all tasted the same.
01:06:37.000 Really?
01:06:38.000 Well, you know, there were shades of...
01:06:39.000 There were different shades of stuff, and they cooked it all on the same...
01:06:44.000 It was like a wood-burning spit that they had it on, and I don't know.
01:06:49.000 It was more of just the novelty of eating it, but they had...
01:06:54.000 Was there elephant?
01:06:55.000 Was it elephant or hippo?
01:06:56.000 It was one of those...
01:06:57.000 I have a friend who ate elephant once.
01:06:59.000 Yeah.
01:07:00.000 He said it was delicious.
01:07:00.000 Yeah.
01:07:01.000 Yeah.
01:07:02.000 I was like, I don't...
01:07:03.000 That's like...
01:07:04.000 That's in the dog category for me.
01:07:07.000 You know what I mean?
01:07:08.000 Elephants are kind of...
01:07:09.000 I was in Thailand and I rode an elephant.
01:07:11.000 Really?
01:07:12.000 Yeah.
01:07:12.000 It's like this whole experience.
01:07:14.000 And they're not like encaged.
01:07:18.000 They're essentially free-roam, free-ranging elephants in Thailand that they've rescued from circuses and all kinds of different stuff like that.
01:07:25.000 And they've rehabilitated them.
01:07:27.000 And they're real kind.
01:07:29.000 You feed them.
01:07:30.000 They love sugarcane.
01:07:32.000 So you're holding up sugarcane for them.
01:07:34.000 And before you ride them, which I didn't enjoy.
01:07:36.000 I don't need to ride them again.
01:07:37.000 Yeah.
01:07:37.000 But my family wanted to do it, so like, okay, we'll ride them.
01:07:39.000 But they don't give a fuck.
01:07:41.000 It's like a kitten on your back.
01:07:42.000 They don't feel you.
01:07:43.000 Did you put your daughters on it?
01:07:45.000 Yeah.
01:07:45.000 Yeah, one of them fell off, too.
01:07:46.000 No shit.
01:07:47.000 Got right back up.
01:07:48.000 Yeah.
01:07:49.000 The elephants will wait for you.
01:07:51.000 It's weird, man.
01:07:52.000 They're not trying to shake you off.
01:07:54.000 They don't mind.
01:07:55.000 But you have to develop a relationship with them first.
01:07:57.000 So the first thing you do is you feed them.
01:07:59.000 So you're feeding them sugarcane.
01:08:01.000 Then you wash them.
01:08:02.000 So you're washing them.
01:08:03.000 And you're petting them.
01:08:04.000 And when you're doing it, they'll just hang with you, man.
01:08:07.000 They hang with you.
01:08:08.000 They're cool.
01:08:08.000 And when you go to ride them, they put their leg up like that so you can stand on it.
01:08:14.000 Wow.
01:08:14.000 Yeah.
01:08:15.000 Like, they don't have a problem with you riding them.
01:08:17.000 Like, they know what to do.
01:08:18.000 So they go like that, and you step on their leg and pull yourself up.
01:08:21.000 Yeah.
01:08:21.000 But you're so tiny in comparison to an elephant.
01:08:24.000 It's not like...
01:08:25.000 Like, riding a horse is a little odd, right?
01:08:27.000 Like, sometimes horses don't want your ride, and I'm like, come on, get the fuck off me.
01:08:30.000 Right.
01:08:30.000 Elephants don't give a shit like these elephants don't give a shit and they know that you're gonna go down to this there's a trail you go through the jungle down into this like pond or this like lake there's a waterfall and you bathe them there and you hang out with them so you have like a little friendship with them uh-huh And it's cool.
01:08:47.000 But they're free range.
01:08:48.000 If they wanted to, they could just go left and wander off into the jungle and you never see them again.
01:08:53.000 And they've had multiple elephants that they took care of and rehabilitated in this place that now live in the wild.
01:09:01.000 So while you're riding them, they'll just decide, well, I'm going to stop here and eat for a minute.
01:09:05.000 And they just fucking pull trees out of the roots and just start fucking eating leaves and shit.
01:09:10.000 Pull bushes out and they just eat.
01:09:12.000 Just pause and eat and then go on.
01:09:15.000 So it's a weird little thing you have going on with them.
01:09:18.000 But it still feels exploitive to ride.
01:09:22.000 It feels odd.
01:09:24.000 I'm not interested in the riding them.
01:09:25.000 I like the petting them.
01:09:27.000 I like the feeding them.
01:09:28.000 I like just being able to touch this thing and have it trust you.
01:09:32.000 It's a giant animal.
01:09:34.000 But I know too much about how intelligent they are.
01:09:36.000 They're really smart.
01:09:38.000 They can paint.
01:09:39.000 You ever seen them paint?
01:09:40.000 No.
01:09:41.000 Dude, they can paint.
01:09:43.000 They can paint an elephant.
01:09:45.000 I don't know if they taught them how to make the shape.
01:09:48.000 I don't know what they did, but elephants can paint things.
01:09:51.000 That's incredible.
01:09:52.000 Let me see if you can find some video of that.
01:09:53.000 It's real weird.
01:09:55.000 I've seen it and I was like, how does he know what he's painting?
01:09:58.000 He's painting a trunk and the legs.
01:10:01.000 It looks like what a five-year-old would make.
01:10:03.000 Mm-hmm.
01:10:04.000 Like, it's pretty good.
01:10:06.000 Wow.
01:10:06.000 It's a pretty good painting.
01:10:07.000 Shit.
01:10:08.000 Yeah, I'm like, but is this normal?
01:10:10.000 Like, can they just do that if they see you do it?
01:10:12.000 Or do you have to, like, give them enough food?
01:10:14.000 Like, watch this.
01:10:15.000 Look at this elephant.
01:10:16.000 Look at this, man.
01:10:18.000 Dude, when you were talking about it, I was like, how does it hold the brush in its foot?
01:10:27.000 I don't know.
01:10:27.000 Get the fuck out of here.
01:10:29.000 Yeah, man.
01:10:29.000 Isn't that wild?
01:10:30.000 No way.
01:10:31.000 That's not real.
01:10:32.000 Yeah, it's weird.
01:10:32.000 It's weird, man.
01:10:33.000 It's real.
01:10:34.000 Holy shit.
01:10:35.000 It's real.
01:10:36.000 Yeah.
01:10:38.000 Yeah, they can paint.
01:10:40.000 That's insane.
01:10:41.000 Get the fuck out of here.
01:10:42.000 I know.
01:10:42.000 It seems like it would be fake, but they can make hearts and flowers and shit.
01:10:46.000 Yeah.
01:10:47.000 Dude, this is like...
01:10:48.000 If I could get that painting, I would put it on my wall just to be able to tell people an elephant did it.
01:10:52.000 You can buy them.
01:10:53.000 Really?
01:10:54.000 Suda.
01:10:54.000 That's the elephant's name is Suda.
01:10:56.000 Is he making his name?
01:10:57.000 Or her name?
01:10:58.000 Is that a boy or a girl?
01:11:00.000 Got no tusks.
01:11:01.000 Maybe it's a girl.
01:11:02.000 Look at that.
01:11:03.000 Dude, she can paint her fucking name.
01:11:05.000 Fuck.
01:11:06.000 Fuck.
01:11:06.000 I mean, how wild is that?
01:11:07.000 So I guess they must reward her if she can recreate the symbol that is her name, you know, the letters.
01:11:15.000 And I guess, I mean, I don't know if they've taught her how to do specific stuff or she could just paint.
01:11:21.000 Fuck, that's crazy, man.
01:11:23.000 She painted a tree?
01:11:24.000 Is that real?
01:11:25.000 Shit!
01:11:27.000 Is that 100% real?
01:11:30.000 Painting by Elephant Suda.
01:11:32.000 You get $490, you get a painting by this elephant.
01:11:36.000 I mean, that's pretty goddamn good.
01:11:38.000 Change how she writes her D's.
01:11:41.000 The one in the other video is like a lowercase d.
01:11:43.000 That one's a little different.
01:11:45.000 Wild, right?
01:11:46.000 Yeah.
01:11:47.000 Authentic paintings made by elephants at our elephant park and clinic in Thailand.
01:11:52.000 Okay.
01:11:53.000 So same place, same area.
01:11:55.000 That's crazy.
01:11:56.000 Wow.
01:11:57.000 Look, different perspectives.
01:11:58.000 Look at that one.
01:11:59.000 A different perspective.
01:12:03.000 Someone should tell her that's a P. Hey bitch, you fucked up.
01:12:06.000 That's Supa.
01:12:07.000 You don't get fed tonight.
01:12:09.000 No sugar cane.
01:12:11.000 The elephant's wearing a scarf now.
01:12:12.000 I'm trying to sell this!
01:12:14.000 Drinking cappuccinos.
01:12:14.000 Free worldwide shipping.
01:12:17.000 Suda's a 15-year-old girl and has been painting for 10 years.
01:12:20.000 She's responsible for raising thousands of bot for our elephant hospital.
01:12:24.000 She's a very gentle lady and she loves to paint and is very precise with all her paintings.
01:12:29.000 Wow.
01:12:30.000 I'm getting one of those.
01:12:31.000 It's pretty cool, man.
01:12:32.000 Yeah.
01:12:33.000 Because it's really...
01:12:34.000 I guess...
01:12:34.000 I mean, that's the thing.
01:12:36.000 Does she know that she's painting something?
01:12:40.000 Does she know that's an elephant?
01:12:41.000 Or is it like a shape that she's recreating that they've taught her how to make?
01:12:47.000 I mean, it makes sense.
01:12:48.000 I mean, little kids can...
01:12:50.000 I mean, I still have paintings my kids did when they were in preschool, and I'm shocked at sometimes the symmetry.
01:12:57.000 Like, they'll have...
01:12:58.000 Like symmetrical shapes on opposite sides of the page.
01:13:02.000 And they'll have like colors, the color schemes that are balanced.
01:13:07.000 Like there's shit that goes on in the brain that's undeveloped that expresses itself.
01:13:12.000 So if the elephant has vision, it should be able to replicate it.
01:13:17.000 I guess.
01:13:18.000 It's weird to see animals create art.
01:13:21.000 You know what that looks like?
01:13:23.000 It looks like a cave painting.
01:13:25.000 That's what it looks like.
01:13:26.000 It looks like the way cave people painted elephants.
01:13:29.000 You ever paint?
01:13:31.000 Yeah.
01:13:31.000 I've never been a painter though.
01:13:34.000 I'm more of an illustrator.
01:13:36.000 I did a lot of drawing.
01:13:37.000 Oh, I didn't know that.
01:13:38.000 Oh, you didn't know?
01:13:38.000 No.
01:13:39.000 Oh, dude, I used to want to be a comic book artist.
01:13:41.000 No shit!
01:13:42.000 That was really good.
01:13:43.000 How did I not know that?
01:13:44.000 See if you can find, I had one recently that I did of Marvin Hagler.
01:13:48.000 It was on my Instagram when Hagler died.
01:13:51.000 I found out Hagler died and I pulled out something from like high school, like 1983. Wow.
01:13:56.000 I just found Richard Dawkins writing about that elephant.
01:14:00.000 About the elephants?
01:14:01.000 Yeah.
01:14:02.000 Yeah, see if you can find that thing on my Instagram of Marvin Hagler.
01:14:07.000 But I have one of three little pigs that's really good.
01:14:11.000 Three little pigs and a big bad werewolf.
01:14:13.000 It's like a werewolf bursting through the house of straw with these little pigs scrambling.
01:14:20.000 Yeah, that's Marvin Hagler.
01:14:21.000 That was from when I was 15. That's amazing.
01:14:25.000 Yeah, that's what I wanted to do, man.
01:14:26.000 But I had a cunty fucking high school art teacher who had me convinced that there was no way to make a living as an artist.
01:14:34.000 He was such an asshole.
01:14:36.000 I've talked to this guy.
01:14:37.000 There was a guy in my class.
01:14:38.000 His name was John DeVore.
01:14:40.000 And John was the most talented guy in our class.
01:14:42.000 He was really, really good.
01:14:43.000 And he had the same fucking problem with his teacher.
01:14:46.000 And when I quit, I didn't go to art my senior year of high school just because my art teacher was such a piece of shit.
01:14:54.000 And John told me, and again, if you think that's good, John was twice as good.
01:14:59.000 He was really good.
01:15:00.000 And John told me that the guy gave him an F. Oh yeah?
01:15:05.000 Just a cunt.
01:15:06.000 He was a bitter old shitty man.
01:15:08.000 How do you give somebody an F in art?
01:15:11.000 I'm telling you, this guy was so good.
01:15:13.000 He was so good.
01:15:14.000 He was good enough to be, like, he could have been an illustrator for Marvel Comics.
01:15:19.000 Yeah.
01:15:20.000 Top of the food chain.
01:15:21.000 He was really, really fucking talented.
01:15:23.000 And, you know, we were both 16. 16, 17 years old.
01:15:26.000 And the guy was such a piece of shit that he quit doing art, too.
01:15:30.000 Yeah.
01:15:30.000 And he never went on to be an artist.
01:15:32.000 Fuck.
01:15:33.000 Yeah.
01:15:34.000 Dream crusher.
01:15:34.000 See if you can find the Three Little Pigs one.
01:15:36.000 That's probably a better one.
01:15:37.000 But, um...
01:15:38.000 Yeah, there was a group of us.
01:15:40.000 There was a kid named Kevin, there was John and me, the three guys in this art class, and we were all pretty fucking good, but all under the thumb of this shitbag art teacher.
01:15:51.000 I'll never forget this guy.
01:15:52.000 He had this dumpy posture, he had this scrawny body, he never did anything, and this pouch, this gut.
01:16:02.000 Everything was like, well, you're not going to be able to draw what you want to draw.
01:16:07.000 You want to be an artist?
01:16:08.000 I remember he said I would have to draw diaper commercials.
01:16:13.000 I'd have to do something for a diaper advertisement.
01:16:17.000 Oh, that's a different one.
01:16:19.000 That's Little Red Riding Hood.
01:16:20.000 That's another one that I did.
01:16:22.000 Damn, I like your style.
01:16:24.000 It's all lines.
01:16:25.000 What do you call that?
01:16:26.000 Yeah, I was into technical...
01:16:27.000 It's called technical pens.
01:16:29.000 Uh-huh.
01:16:29.000 Yeah, it was like a technical ink pen.
01:16:31.000 It was all fine lines.
01:16:34.000 That was what I was into.
01:16:35.000 I was into...
01:16:35.000 There was a lot of really cool old black and white comic books, like Creepy and Eerie.
01:16:42.000 There was a whole...
01:16:44.000 Uncle Creepy.
01:16:45.000 It was like a series of these...
01:16:47.000 There were large magazines that had these really cool horror stories that they illustrated.
01:16:54.000 And it was all that style of illustration, so I really got into that.
01:16:58.000 Did you do colors as well?
01:17:00.000 A little bit, but mostly I was just into drawing with pen and ink.
01:17:05.000 Sometimes ballpoint pen, sometimes pencil and shit.
01:17:08.000 But I didn't do much painting.
01:17:11.000 That's a totally different way of creating art.
01:17:14.000 Me, I was just into lines and putting the lines together.
01:17:17.000 With painting, obviously, you've got this fat brush and trying to figure it out.
01:17:22.000 Yeah.
01:17:23.000 The fucking crazy thing that people are doing today now is tattoos.
01:17:27.000 I saw this fucking tattoo today.
01:17:28.000 Dude, I just got my first one.
01:17:30.000 What'd you get?
01:17:31.000 At 55. What is it?
01:17:33.000 It's an Irish harp.
01:17:36.000 Did you do it?
01:17:38.000 Looks like you did it with your left hand.
01:17:43.000 That is ridiculous.
01:17:45.000 I got one.
01:17:46.000 Everybody in my family got one.
01:17:48.000 That is ridiculous.
01:17:49.000 My daughter wanted one since she was like 12 years old, and we were like, you gotta wait until you're 18. And I said, if you wait until you're 18, the whole family will get a tattoo together.
01:17:57.000 Oh my god, that's so ridiculous.
01:17:59.000 So we all went and got the same tattoo.
01:18:01.000 I'm gonna send you this, Jamie.
01:18:03.000 Did you find my Three Little Pigs one?
01:18:05.000 Nice.
01:18:06.000 Okay, that's cool.
01:18:07.000 Let me send you this, though.
01:18:10.000 Look how good this guy's work is.
01:18:11.000 It's an Instagram link.
01:18:13.000 It's crazy.
01:18:13.000 I mean, it's like literally, it looks like a photograph.
01:18:16.000 It's actually John Wick.
01:18:18.000 And it's Keanu Reeves, but it's from the movie John Wick.
01:18:21.000 And you're looking at this guy, he's actually doing it in the video.
01:18:25.000 Look how good that is.
01:18:27.000 Whoa!
01:18:28.000 That's a tattoo.
01:18:29.000 Holy shit!
01:18:31.000 Incredible.
01:18:31.000 Why didn't you give me this guy's name before I got mine done?
01:18:35.000 The guy's name is Luigi.
01:18:38.000 It's important tattoo is the Instagram page.
01:18:41.000 And the guy's name is...
01:18:45.000 Yeah, Luigi Mansi.
01:18:47.000 Oh, he's in Italy.
01:18:49.000 Latina, Italy.
01:18:50.000 But look how good his shit is, man.
01:18:52.000 Look at that Viking one, the upper left.
01:18:53.000 But look, the Keanu Reeves one is fucking insane, dude.
01:18:56.000 That is insane.
01:18:57.000 Yeah.
01:18:59.000 Wow.
01:19:00.000 Look at the Michael Jackson one.
01:19:01.000 Holy shit.
01:19:02.000 Look how good that is.
01:19:04.000 I mean, that's wild, man.
01:19:06.000 Wild.
01:19:09.000 Yeah, there's a lot of these guys now that are doing these photorealistic tattoos that are just incredible.
01:19:14.000 Look at that Dennis Rodman one.
01:19:16.000 Fuck.
01:19:16.000 Yeah.
01:19:17.000 Incredible.
01:19:18.000 I mean, that's incredible, man.
01:19:19.000 Look at the tongue.
01:19:20.000 Yeah.
01:19:21.000 It's like glistening.
01:19:22.000 Yeah, it's wild.
01:19:23.000 I saw this guy I follow.
01:19:24.000 I thought, I was guessing you were going to show this guy.
01:19:27.000 He makes some pretty sick tattoos, too.
01:19:28.000 Steve Butcher?
01:19:29.000 No, this guy in here.
01:19:30.000 Oh, Jesus.
01:19:31.000 Oh, Arlo Tattoos.
01:19:32.000 Yeah, I've seen him before.
01:19:33.000 Yeah, he does a lot of realistic stuff too, but he does all kinds of shit.
01:19:38.000 Like, look at that one.
01:19:39.000 Man, that is crazy.
01:19:43.000 He's got dumb shit.
01:19:44.000 Yeah.
01:19:45.000 What the fu- I think he's in- Is he in Colorado?
01:19:49.000 Is there new technology for how to do tattoos that they're that much better?
01:19:53.000 Well, there's better inks, and there's better techniques, and they're just really good.
01:19:58.000 Keep going up.
01:19:58.000 Go back to that.
01:19:59.000 Scroll down a little bit.
01:20:00.000 Look how good his shit is, man.
01:20:02.000 He mixes in color and black and white really good.
01:20:04.000 Man, that is wild.
01:20:09.000 Wild!
01:20:10.000 Where is that Elysium Studios?
01:20:12.000 Where is that?
01:20:12.000 I think it's Colorado.
01:20:14.000 It's not Denver though, but I believe he is.
01:20:17.000 Click on that.
01:20:18.000 Yeah, Grand Junction.
01:20:19.000 Grand Junction, Colorado.
01:20:21.000 That's where Joey Diaz always said he wanted to move.
01:20:23.000 I'm going to go to Grand Junction.
01:20:24.000 It's outside of Denver.
01:20:26.000 It's not that far.
01:20:27.000 It's got a good airport.
01:20:28.000 Yeah.
01:20:29.000 Grand Junction.
01:20:30.000 Yeah.
01:20:32.000 I'm going to Golden.
01:20:33.000 I'm doing a show in Golden, Colorado.
01:20:34.000 Golden, Colorado?
01:20:35.000 What are you doing out there?
01:20:36.000 I don't know.
01:20:36.000 They got a new comedy.
01:20:38.000 It's like a little theater.
01:20:39.000 Oh, yeah?
01:20:40.000 Small theater.
01:20:41.000 Yeah.
01:20:42.000 I'm doing a weird tour soon.
01:20:45.000 I'm doing one night.
01:20:46.000 I'm doing Boise, Idaho.
01:20:48.000 No, no.
01:20:49.000 I'm doing Iowa.
01:20:51.000 Des Moines.
01:20:52.000 Des Moines, Iowa.
01:20:53.000 And then the next night I'm in Wisconsin.
01:20:55.000 Oh, no shit.
01:20:57.000 You gonna drive?
01:20:58.000 No.
01:20:59.000 Just take a nice drive, man.
01:21:00.000 I'm flying.
01:21:01.000 I'm not driving.
01:21:02.000 To those fucking cornfields and get kidnapped by some fucking weirdos.
01:21:06.000 I remember when I was doing those colleges, driving through those cornfields, man.
01:21:11.000 Strange.
01:21:11.000 It was fucking strange.
01:21:12.000 I remember one night I was driving, it was like, I hadn't eaten, and it was one of those gigs where, did you ever do college runs at all?
01:21:21.000 So you would do like a college one night, and then you'd have a fucking nooner the next day at another college, which was like three hours away, lunch shows.
01:21:28.000 So I get in the car, and I'm in, I think it was Iowa.
01:21:34.000 And I get in the car and I'm fucking starving, but I get going because I was like, alright, I'll get something on the road.
01:21:38.000 I gotta get to this next town so I can wake up and do the show.
01:21:41.000 And I'm driving and there's nothing.
01:21:44.000 Everything's closed.
01:21:44.000 I'm dying.
01:21:45.000 My fucking stomach's cramping.
01:21:46.000 I'm so hungry.
01:21:47.000 And I see a Taco Bell up ahead.
01:21:50.000 And so I pull over and they're still open and it's crank country or whatever fucking drug they do in Iowa because there was a security guard, an armed security guard inside the place because I guess they get robbed so much.
01:22:02.000 And so the guard was like 400 pounds.
01:22:06.000 And he goes in the bathroom.
01:22:07.000 I order my food.
01:22:08.000 He goes in the bathroom.
01:22:09.000 And then I was waiting for my food and I had to go to the bathroom really bad.
01:22:15.000 So he gets out and I go in.
01:22:17.000 This guy had fucking destroyed the men's room.
01:22:20.000 There was shit splattered all over the side.
01:22:23.000 And I had to take a shit and I couldn't do it.
01:22:26.000 And I came out and I started to throw up in my mouth.
01:22:30.000 And I threw up my mouth and I spit it out.
01:22:33.000 And then I came out and my food was there.
01:22:34.000 And I just, I left the food.
01:22:36.000 No!
01:22:36.000 And I got in the car and I drove about a mile down the road and I got in and I took a shit on the side of the road.
01:22:43.000 And I just remember staying in my Motel 6, cleaning shit, in the bathroom, cleaning, because I had nothing to wipe with.
01:22:49.000 I'm cleaning shit out of my ass.
01:22:51.000 I'm starving to death.
01:22:52.000 And I was like, I gotta stop these college dates.
01:22:58.000 The romantic memories, though, of those struggling days of travel and weird, shitty road gigs.
01:23:06.000 Yeah.
01:23:06.000 That's something, you know, you didn't realize it at the time.
01:23:10.000 It was just like a thing you're doing because you had to do it.
01:23:12.000 Yeah.
01:23:13.000 You're happy to get a gig.
01:23:14.000 But now when you look back on it, you know, now you're an Emmy Award winning writer.
01:23:18.000 Yeah.
01:23:19.000 You know, you've written books and had comedy specials on TV. Yeah.
01:23:23.000 You get to think about those things and go, wow.
01:23:25.000 I remember once there was a block...
01:23:27.000 It was always the motels.
01:23:29.000 Those were the words.
01:23:29.000 Because you go to these small colleges, there's no fucking Marriott nearby.
01:23:33.000 No.
01:23:34.000 And so there was like the Motel 6. I remember there was a block of wood, like a 2x4 connected to the room key so that you didn't take the room key or whatever.
01:23:44.000 And then your door was open to the parking lot and there'd be some asshole who had a truck, a diesel truck, and he'd start it and the exhaust is fucking blowing under the crack of your door.
01:23:55.000 That's what wakes you up in the morning.
01:23:57.000 Ugh.
01:23:59.000 There's so many weird people.
01:24:00.000 And you were happy.
01:24:01.000 Do you remember how happy you were to get those gigs though?
01:24:04.000 Oh yeah.
01:24:05.000 Yeah.
01:24:06.000 That was a big deal.
01:24:07.000 I'm getting paid.
01:24:07.000 I can make a living.
01:24:09.000 I can quit my job.
01:24:10.000 Yeah.
01:24:10.000 You didn't give a shit how bad it was.
01:24:12.000 No.
01:24:13.000 No, you're just happy.
01:24:15.000 Yeah.
01:24:15.000 Couldn't believe you were making a living doing comedy.
01:24:17.000 I mean, that was always the thing.
01:24:18.000 It's like to not have a day job.
01:24:20.000 If I could just finally make a...
01:24:23.000 I remember seeing those guys that didn't have a day job, like DJ Hazard.
01:24:29.000 I remember DJ Hazard lived in this apartment that used to be a school.
01:24:35.000 They took a school, and they turned it into condos, and it was nice.
01:24:39.000 It was really nice.
01:24:40.000 It was a loft, and it had this brick wall.
01:24:43.000 The inside of it was exposed brick and a big window, and I remember thinking, God, imagine.
01:24:50.000 This guy lives here, and all he does is tell jokes?
01:24:53.000 This is crazy.
01:24:55.000 What kind of life is this?
01:24:57.000 Just thinking it was this insurmountable, impossible-to-achieve goal of one day, one day, One day I'd just love to be able to make a living telling jokes.
01:25:08.000 Yeah.
01:25:11.000 Those old days, man, of travel and struggle, it's so fucking important, man.
01:25:17.000 I see young comics now that are doing that, and they're finding their voice at the same time that they're getting the freedom of following their dream.
01:25:28.000 But also, creatively, it's like every moment of stage time means so much because you know you're getting better.
01:25:35.000 Every time you hit that stage, you're getting better.
01:25:37.000 And as you're making a living, and also creatively, you're not peaking, but you're growing.
01:25:43.000 And there's something so fulfilling about that.
01:25:46.000 And then all of a sudden it clicks and you see that confidence kick in.
01:25:49.000 Like I saw it with guys like Mark Norman and Sam Morrell and guys out of New York now that I've seen over the last 10 years come into that stage.
01:25:58.000 And then all of a sudden they get their confidence and it's like, you can't fucking stop this guy now.
01:26:04.000 They're powerful.
01:26:05.000 They get momentum.
01:26:06.000 Yeah.
01:26:06.000 Yeah.
01:26:08.000 Remember those days where you get like four or five nights in a row where you're working?
01:26:11.000 By the time the fifth night, you've chugga-chugga-chugga-chugga-choo-choo.
01:26:15.000 You're moving.
01:26:16.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:26:17.000 You're moving and shaking.
01:26:18.000 Yeah.
01:26:18.000 It's happening.
01:26:19.000 I remember seeing, I forget about the comic, this female comic.
01:26:23.000 She'd been on the road a lot.
01:26:24.000 And it was after the pandemic.
01:26:26.000 Oh, what's her name?
01:26:27.000 It was Samorel's girlfriend.
01:26:28.000 What's her name?
01:26:30.000 Do you know her?
01:26:31.000 Oh, I gotta remember her name.
01:26:33.000 She's a fucking great comic.
01:26:34.000 And she came in and everybody was rusty.
01:26:36.000 Everybody's working off pieces of paper.
01:26:38.000 And she had just come off the road and she'd been working for like two months straight.
01:26:41.000 And she's also like young, hungry comic.
01:26:44.000 And she annihilated the room.
01:26:47.000 And it was not a good room.
01:26:48.000 And it was like effortless.
01:26:49.000 And you're like, yeah, that person's been in the gym.
01:26:52.000 That person's hungry.
01:26:53.000 They're peaking.
01:26:54.000 They're making it for the first time.
01:26:57.000 And there's something that the audience senses about that person.
01:27:01.000 They're just a fullback.
01:27:03.000 They're breaking through the line.
01:27:05.000 Well, I did a gig recently with Dylan, Tim Dylan.
01:27:08.000 We did Vulcan Gas Company.
01:27:09.000 And it was the same sort of thing.
01:27:11.000 I had seen him on stage.
01:27:13.000 The last time I saw him was pre-pandemic, right?
01:27:17.000 So it was probably like maybe even two years ago.
01:27:20.000 And he was good.
01:27:21.000 It was funny.
01:27:22.000 But man, he was so good.
01:27:24.000 It was like a couple weeks ago.
01:27:25.000 He was so tight.
01:27:27.000 Everything was flowing and smooth.
01:27:30.000 Tim has that show that he does with his producer, Ben, and it's just him ranting and his producer laughing about things.
01:27:37.000 So he's got that sort of rant muscle, where they can just rant about things, and then I guess he probably takes some of those premises and cherry picks them, finds the best ones, and that becomes his comedy.
01:27:48.000 So he had so much material, and so much of it was relevant.
01:27:51.000 So much of his new stuff.
01:27:53.000 It was fucking great.
01:27:54.000 Yeah.
01:27:55.000 He has this great fucking bit about not needing to align politically with the people who own Chick-fil-A. But it was so powerful.
01:28:07.000 But it was that thing.
01:28:09.000 And I said, I go, dude, that was so good.
01:28:10.000 And I told him, I go, you are on such a new level.
01:28:13.000 I can see it.
01:28:14.000 It was so powerful.
01:28:16.000 And he's like, yeah, it's this road work.
01:28:18.000 Just constantly being on the road and doing gigs.
01:28:21.000 Right.
01:28:22.000 I'm wondering whether or not that's going to keep going, you know, because they're trying to shut things down now and people are panicking, you know, because of this recent new spike in COVID. Yeah.
01:28:31.000 Because COVID is kicking back in again.
01:28:33.000 Yeah.
01:28:34.000 But there's way less deaths.
01:28:36.000 There's a lot of cases, but they know how to treat it now, so there's less deaths.
01:28:39.000 They have those monoclonal antibodies and ivermectin and Z-packs and all these different things they're doing.
01:28:46.000 They're helping people survive it.
01:28:48.000 So people are getting over it much better.
01:28:51.000 So if you look at case numbers, case numbers are up recently.
01:28:55.000 But the deaths are way, way low in comparison to what they used to be.
01:28:59.000 What's the cost of treating somebody with that kind of stuff?
01:29:01.000 Is it astronomical?
01:29:03.000 Ivermectin is pretty cheap, because it's a generic drug, and it's been around for a long time.
01:29:10.000 I don't know how much Z-Pax cost, and I don't know how much those monoclonal antibodies cost.
01:29:17.000 But, you know, it's probably, you know, anytime you're in a hospital.
01:29:21.000 If you actually have to go to a hospital, it's fucking expensive.
01:29:23.000 Plus the long-term effects for some people can be expensive.
01:29:32.000 Yeah, I'm just hearing so many people who are vaccinated that get it, and now they're saying that if you're vaccinated, it may only be good for three to four months.
01:29:40.000 And so there was a guy online that was saying, what is this?
01:29:45.000 Are you calling it a vaccine or is this a treatment?
01:29:48.000 He goes, because if it's a treatment, it's a very different approach than a vaccine.
01:29:53.000 Because most vaccines, other than maybe the flu vaccine, most vaccines give you immunity.
01:29:59.000 For like a long time.
01:30:00.000 Like if you get a measles vaccine, you get immunity for a long time.
01:30:04.000 And I think a lot of people thought like you get vaccinated from COVID and you're not ever going to catch COVID. And now people are catching COVID and dying that are vaccinated.
01:30:14.000 So it's like, fuck.
01:30:15.000 But they tend not to have as severe symptoms if they're vaccinated and then they catch it.
01:30:20.000 I guess.
01:30:21.000 But, you know, there was a lot of people that didn't get symptoms before vaccines were out, which is interesting.
01:30:27.000 So, like, I was reading this thing where this guy was making this argument.
01:30:31.000 They were saying that the large number of people who are dying from COVID are the unvaccinated.
01:30:37.000 And he said, yeah, but they're not taking these from recent cases.
01:30:41.000 He goes, the problem with this thing is when they're saying the large number of people who are vaccinated from COVID or unvaccinated from COVID, the ones who are dying, they're going way back to like March of last year.
01:30:52.000 And he's like, they're adding those where it was before there was even any vaccines.
01:30:57.000 He's like, so the bulk of the deaths, yeah, there were unvaccinated people.
01:31:00.000 But if you look at it now, he's like, people aren't dying nearly as much, even the unvaccinated.
01:31:06.000 The real problem, and it's always been, is underlying comorbidities.
01:31:10.000 People that have...
01:31:12.000 Weight problems.
01:31:13.000 Cancer, weight problems.
01:31:14.000 Obesity is 78% of the people that wind up in the ICU with COVID are obese.
01:31:19.000 Yeah.
01:31:20.000 78%.
01:31:20.000 Right.
01:31:21.000 And if there's anything this country has, we have an epidemic with people being overweight.
01:31:26.000 Yeah.
01:31:27.000 It's just too easy to get fatty foods and sugary foods.
01:31:31.000 Yeah.
01:31:32.000 Yeah.
01:31:33.000 It's too easy to overeat.
01:31:35.000 Yeah.
01:31:35.000 I would have hoped that out of all this, that one thing would come out was the whole country would kind of wake up and say, look, taking care of yourself is very fucking important.
01:31:44.000 But a lot of people just wanted that shot.
01:31:47.000 They're just like, give me that shot and everything's going to be fine.
01:31:49.000 Even I was talking to a good friend of mine who got COVID after he was vaccinated.
01:31:54.000 He goes, dude, as soon as I got vaccinated, I stopped taking vitamins.
01:31:58.000 I'm good.
01:31:58.000 He goes, I was like, before I was scared and then I just let off the gas completely.
01:32:02.000 And then he wound up getting COVID. And he's pretty fucked up.
01:32:05.000 Right.
01:32:05.000 And you got to take zinc, quercetin, vitamin D3, fish oil, vitamin C. You really want to be healthy.
01:32:17.000 That's what you want.
01:32:17.000 You really want a balanced, healthy vitamin intake and exercise, particularly cardiovascular exercise.
01:32:24.000 They think that that is one of the best things to ward off some of the worst cases of COVID is like if you're in good cardiovascular shape.
01:32:32.000 A lot of people work out and they only do weights and they don't do the cardio.
01:32:37.000 You gotta do, even if I only do 20 minutes, every time I work out I do at least 20 minutes of cardio before I lift weights.
01:32:43.000 The saddest thing is to watch a guy who's buff run out of air.
01:32:46.000 Yeah, right.
01:32:47.000 Like go on a hike with him.
01:32:50.000 Like, hey man, you're not in shape.
01:32:53.000 You're just muscular.
01:32:54.000 I work at a Gold's Gym in Venice.
01:32:56.000 Do you really?
01:32:57.000 Yeah.
01:32:57.000 You go to the Mecca of bodybuilding?
01:32:58.000 Yeah, I go to the Mecca of bodybuilding.
01:33:00.000 And I am, without a doubt, always the smallest guy in the gym.
01:33:04.000 And you have to see these motherfuckers because they have puffy muscles.
01:33:08.000 Oh, yeah.
01:33:09.000 A lot of these guys.
01:33:10.000 And when that pandemic happened and they closed down, I saw these guys coming back into the gym and the whole fucking midsection had collapsed and the muscles.
01:33:18.000 And now they're all in there just fucking...
01:33:22.000 Trying to get it back.
01:33:23.000 Trying to get it back.
01:33:24.000 Yeah, if you don't have weights...
01:33:25.000 It's all outdoors now.
01:33:27.000 Oh, really?
01:33:28.000 Yeah, they closed off two of the parking lots at Gold's.
01:33:31.000 They move all the equipment outside, and it's so fucking great, just working out outside in the sun.
01:33:37.000 That's smart.
01:33:37.000 Yeah.
01:33:38.000 That's good, because you get a double whammy, right?
01:33:39.000 You get the vitamin D from being outside.
01:33:41.000 Right.
01:33:41.000 And then you also...
01:33:42.000 There's very few, if any, cases where they've shown that there's been widespread transmission through outdoor.
01:33:49.000 Yeah.
01:33:50.000 They don't think you really get it outside.
01:33:52.000 Yeah.
01:33:53.000 Maybe with a new variant you might be able to, but the old shit.
01:33:56.000 Regular COVID. How do they know?
01:34:00.000 Everybody that I know that got tested for COVID, they didn't find out if they have a variant.
01:34:03.000 They didn't find out shit.
01:34:04.000 They just found out they were positive.
01:34:07.000 I mean, how do they know who's got a variant?
01:34:09.000 Yeah.
01:34:12.000 You know?
01:34:14.000 Right?
01:34:14.000 Yeah.
01:34:17.000 Jamie's got antibodies from fucking October.
01:34:20.000 Strong antibodies.
01:34:21.000 He's in shape, too.
01:34:23.000 Look at the guy.
01:34:25.000 You running still?
01:34:27.000 Yeah?
01:34:28.000 Those golf swings, too.
01:34:29.000 Golf swings, too, and running?
01:34:31.000 Told you, I burn lots of calories.
01:34:33.000 Golfing.
01:34:33.000 I heard he's trying to get you into golfing.
01:34:35.000 No, it's not happening.
01:34:37.000 You're not a golfer.
01:34:38.000 You don't seem to be a golfer.
01:34:39.000 I'm too addicted to games, man.
01:34:41.000 You see how I am with pool.
01:34:42.000 I can't be playing golf.
01:34:44.000 Yeah.
01:34:44.000 I don't have that kind of time.
01:34:45.000 It's a lot of time.
01:34:47.000 It's a lot of time.
01:34:47.000 I remember very distinctly in Boston when we lived there, the guys that got really into golf, they did not pay attention to their career.
01:34:54.000 They just did the gigs, got the money, and they just wanted to golf in the morning.
01:34:58.000 Golf became more of the thing they were concentrating on even than pool.
01:35:02.000 Even in comedy, rather.
01:35:03.000 I remember Seinfeld said that.
01:35:05.000 He goes, you can always see the comics that aren't going to progress.
01:35:07.000 They go on the road with golf clubs.
01:35:09.000 He goes, that's death.
01:35:11.000 Because I can remember, we're first going on the road.
01:35:13.000 I mean, up until now, I'm not as intense about it as I used to be, but I used to be like, I would do the shows, tape my sets, I'd get up in the morning, get some coffee, And I would sit there with my tape recorder and I would fucking pause it and make notes.
01:35:26.000 I had notebooks where I would just...
01:35:27.000 A word change, I wrote it down.
01:35:30.000 A tangent that I went on, I'd write it down.
01:35:33.000 And then before I went on stage, I'd go through those notes and I'd fucking tape it again.
01:35:37.000 And that's when, like, the shit really gets tight.
01:35:40.000 I mean, that's my process.
01:35:41.000 Different for everybody.
01:35:42.000 Some people, they can remember it all, but at least, like...
01:35:46.000 For me, to make that the first and only priority when you're on the road, you come back on Sunday.
01:35:52.000 They used to have Largo in L.A. on Monday nights.
01:35:56.000 And I would go do Largo like almost every Monday night.
01:35:59.000 And I'd be on the road almost every weekend.
01:36:00.000 And I'd come back with five new minutes that were fucking pounded out.
01:36:05.000 And I would go into Largo.
01:36:07.000 And it's all these other...
01:36:08.000 And it was like alternative comedy.
01:36:09.000 So everybody else was like shit they thought of while they were having a latte that afternoon.
01:36:13.000 And it was kind of fat.
01:36:14.000 Yeah.
01:36:15.000 And not really, like, pieced together well.
01:36:17.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:36:17.000 And, you know, some of them were brilliant.
01:36:19.000 Some of them could get away with it.
01:36:20.000 You know, like Patton Oswalt can just go up there and talk, and it's fucking unbelievable.
01:36:26.000 But I had to work.
01:36:28.000 I had to work hard on that shit to make it tight.
01:36:30.000 Like Tim Dillons.
01:36:31.000 Like you said, he found his rhythm in his voice, and it just comes out.
01:36:36.000 But for me, it was like I needed those hours alone in my hotel room pouring over that shit to make it good.
01:36:42.000 Yeah, having that extra focus and that extra time and having the discipline to sit there and actually do that, that's what makes all the difference in the world.
01:36:50.000 Yeah, right.
01:36:51.000 Because it really makes you're thinking about it more.
01:36:53.000 You're concentrating about your act.
01:36:55.000 You're looking forward to it.
01:36:57.000 You're going over the stuff.
01:36:59.000 And then when you go on stage, I think the way I look at it, every time you listen to a set, it's like a half a set.
01:37:05.000 It's like every set you do is very important for tightening your act and making it strong.
01:37:10.000 And then you listen to a set afterwards and it's like doing a half a set.
01:37:15.000 It's like 50% as valuable as doing a whole set.
01:37:18.000 So if you do two shows and then you listen to both of those shows, it's like you did three shows.
01:37:24.000 And it's over time.
01:37:26.000 All that stuff accumulates, and it really does have a big effect.
01:37:30.000 It's a matter of how much time, how much focus, how much are you concentrating on it, and how much are you really trying to innovate it, really trying to tighten it up.
01:37:39.000 And then you're so much more aware.
01:37:41.000 I mean, it's just like playing a sport.
01:37:44.000 If you're beating the fundamentals into yourself, then when you're on stage, Your mind isn't fixated on, oh, what's the next joke or whatever.
01:37:53.000 It's more like, oh no, I'm hitting this word instead of that word because last night in the second show that worked better.
01:37:59.000 Right, right, right.
01:38:00.000 And you're so much more able to concentrate on the minutiae.
01:38:04.000 What were you about to tell me?
01:38:06.000 I said, don't tell me what happened at Kill Tony last night.
01:38:09.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.
01:38:11.000 What a fucking zoo.
01:38:13.000 I mean, that show was always chaotic and interesting and good.
01:38:19.000 But here in Austin, it's like I show up and I go in the green room.
01:38:24.000 And Tony's dressed like the fucking cowboy from Toy Story.
01:38:28.000 He's got on a big fucking belt buckle.
01:38:32.000 Cowboy hat.
01:38:32.000 Cowboy hat.
01:38:33.000 Snake skin boots.
01:38:35.000 And there's a guy in the corner who's got a fucking...
01:38:38.000 He's got a freezer bag filled with mushrooms.
01:38:41.000 And he's just handing...
01:38:43.000 Everybody's fucking chewing on stems.
01:38:45.000 There's a fat joint going.
01:38:47.000 The band is downstairs.
01:38:48.000 And then they do the show.
01:38:50.000 And, I mean, the place is just...
01:38:54.000 Frenetic.
01:38:54.000 I mean, they're so good.
01:38:56.000 And then this Asian guy gets up on stage, who I guess does it every week, who is super funny.
01:39:01.000 Hans, Hans or Hans.
01:39:03.000 And he goes up, and then Tony goes, does anybody want to make out with Hans?
01:39:07.000 Because a woman did the week before.
01:39:09.000 Somebody made out with Hans.
01:39:10.000 So now it's a running thing of like, can we get a different girl to make out with?
01:39:15.000 I guess he's making amends to the Asian people.
01:39:18.000 And so this girl comes up on stage, and it wasn't just her.
01:39:21.000 There were like three women that were willing to come on stage.
01:39:24.000 This girl comes up, and she's about five foot one, and she has one of those sites that you can be a prostitute, be like a stripper for people.
01:39:35.000 OnlyFans?
01:39:35.000 Oh, she's got an OnlyFans page.
01:39:37.000 And so Tony goes, is it okay if you make out with them?
01:39:41.000 Are you here with anybody?
01:39:42.000 She's like, yeah, I'm here on a date.
01:39:44.000 But he's okay with it.
01:39:46.000 So, and she shows us her tits, and they're pierced, and she, so she starts making out with this guy, but I mean, they are going at it, like shoving tongues down each other's throats, and then he goes, Tony goes, will you have sex with him?
01:40:01.000 And she goes, yeah, yeah, but I want my date in on it, so we bring the date on stage.
01:40:07.000 He's like, yeah, I'll do a three-way with this guy.
01:40:10.000 So, so cut to after the show.
01:40:13.000 And he's this guy on Mushrooms 2, Hans?
01:40:15.000 Yeah.
01:40:16.000 Maybe.
01:40:17.000 Maybe.
01:40:18.000 I know the week before apparently he threw up in five different places in the club.
01:40:22.000 And so it's almost like he's having a rebirth.
01:40:25.000 He's had this pretty fucking pedestrian life up until Kill Tony.
01:40:29.000 Oh boy.
01:40:30.000 And now he's like a teenager all over again.
01:40:33.000 So he comes into the green room after the show.
01:40:35.000 There's like an after party happening.
01:40:37.000 And he comes in the green room and apparently he already had sex with the girl in the janitor's closet at the club.
01:40:44.000 Yeah.
01:40:44.000 And the boyfriend, the date was pissed because he wasn't invited, because she couldn't find him, so she went ahead and did it.
01:40:53.000 It was insanity.
01:40:56.000 Wow.
01:40:57.000 Yeah.
01:40:58.000 Wow.
01:40:59.000 I don't know if that's a good commercial for Kill Tony, but if you hear that and you don't want to go to that show, I don't know what else you're doing on Monday nights.
01:41:06.000 Tony is so good at that show.
01:41:07.000 Yeah.
01:41:07.000 He's so good at the ad-libs and just running it and keeping it smooth and rolling.
01:41:12.000 No, Producing it.
01:41:13.000 I mean, he's got this killer band.
01:41:16.000 He's got the regulars that go up and perform every week.
01:41:20.000 This one guy goes up, this red-headed guy with a beard.
01:41:22.000 I can't remember his name, but he goes on every week.
01:41:24.000 He's from Nashville, I think.
01:41:26.000 He destroys.
01:41:28.000 William Montgomery?
01:41:30.000 I think that's his name.
01:41:31.000 Reads off of his notes?
01:41:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:41:33.000 Yeah, he's hilarious.
01:41:33.000 Yeah, he's hilarious.
01:41:36.000 But, you know, it's just the whole thing is so well produced and put together.
01:41:40.000 I go, did you show this to Comedy Central?
01:41:42.000 And they're like, yeah, this isn't a Comedy Central show.
01:41:45.000 I'm like, no, if they had any fucking sense, this is a perfect show for Comedy Central.
01:41:49.000 But it's better on the internet.
01:41:50.000 It's better.
01:41:51.000 Because you don't want anybody getting their greasy little fingers in it.
01:41:54.000 Well, you know, we can't.
01:41:55.000 We're going to cut that out.
01:41:56.000 Right.
01:41:56.000 Cut out all the good stuff.
01:41:57.000 Yeah.
01:41:58.000 Yeah, fuck that.
01:41:59.000 Everything should be on the internet now.
01:42:01.000 Yeah.
01:42:01.000 Within five, ten years, there's going to be no reason to do any of these shows anywhere else.
01:42:07.000 The equipment is so cheap.
01:42:08.000 He's got about 19 cameras set up.
01:42:11.000 Yeah.
01:42:11.000 Yeah, Red Band's producing it all.
01:42:13.000 It's all simple, and it's better this way.
01:42:16.000 Yeah.
01:42:16.000 It's better.
01:42:17.000 Because you need these wild motherfuckers eating mushrooms in the green room to go out there and put that show together.
01:42:23.000 That's what you really want.
01:42:24.000 Yeah.
01:42:25.000 That's the right kind of...
01:42:27.000 And what it is, basically, is the cornerstone of the Austin comedy scene.
01:42:31.000 Because that's where all the young guys and girls and non-binary folks get a chance to go up and do their fucking comedy for the first time.
01:42:39.000 They get one minute.
01:42:39.000 And you might get one minute and do it in front of Ron White or Greg Fitzsimmons or whoever the fuck...
01:42:44.000 Tim Dillon, whoever the fuck is there.
01:42:46.000 Yeah.
01:42:46.000 And it's great.
01:42:47.000 It's wild.
01:42:47.000 They dragged this guy up in a wheelchair.
01:42:49.000 This guy had Lou Gehrig's disease.
01:42:52.000 And I guess when he caught it, he decided that he was going to follow his dream of doing stand-up comedy.
01:42:57.000 Oh, Mike.
01:42:58.000 Mike Lehrer.
01:42:59.000 How do you spell his last name?
01:43:01.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:43:02.000 How do you spell it?
01:43:02.000 L-E-H-R-E-R. Yeah.
01:43:03.000 And this guy comes up.
01:43:04.000 He's funny.
01:43:04.000 They had to drag the fucking...
01:43:06.000 And I'm like, this is going to be a train wreck.
01:43:09.000 And he gets up, and he was playing a character of Andrew Dice Clay as a handicap guy.
01:43:16.000 Yeah.
01:43:17.000 And he had all this material.
01:43:19.000 He had Andrew Dice Clay material, including nursery rhymes at the end, and he fucking killed.
01:43:24.000 He's a funny guy, man.
01:43:25.000 He just got a disease, but he's a very funny comic.
01:43:29.000 No, it's a beautiful show.
01:43:30.000 It really is.
01:43:31.000 And it's wild, and when you're watching it, you know that it's not planned out.
01:43:36.000 It's just chaotic and fun.
01:43:38.000 And it's like it's supporting that kind of style of comedy, wild, live, nightclub comedy.
01:43:43.000 You know, that place, that venue, Vulcan, is amazing for it too.
01:43:47.000 Yeah.
01:43:48.000 Are you working tonight?
01:43:49.000 You doing anything tonight?
01:43:50.000 Yeah.
01:43:51.000 Oh, yeah, you are.
01:43:52.000 Want to do a set on my show?
01:43:54.000 Yeah.
01:43:55.000 Is it at that same place?
01:43:56.000 Yeah.
01:43:57.000 Fuck yeah, man.
01:43:58.000 That room is hot.
01:43:59.000 Hot.
01:43:59.000 Yeah.
01:44:00.000 Wait till tonight.
01:44:01.000 Yeah.
01:44:01.000 Dynamite.
01:44:02.000 Oh, it's going to be wild.
01:44:03.000 Yeah.
01:44:03.000 I'm there pretty much every Tuesday and Wednesday when I'm in town.
01:44:06.000 No shit.
01:44:07.000 Yeah.
01:44:07.000 It's a great place to work out.
01:44:08.000 Wow.
01:44:09.000 So if I'm doing arenas on the weekend, I tighten my shit up here.
01:44:13.000 Nice.
01:44:13.000 Yeah.
01:44:14.000 It's great.
01:44:14.000 So you're hitting the road now?
01:44:15.000 You're out doing stuff?
01:44:17.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:44:19.000 I've done some clubs on the road.
01:44:21.000 I did Wise Guys in Salt Lake, tightened up there.
01:44:25.000 I did a few arenas in Vegas with Chappelle.
01:44:28.000 Oh, dude, yeah, Mike Gibbons.
01:44:30.000 You know my buddy Mike Gibbons I do my podcast Sunday Papers with.
01:44:33.000 He came out to see you.
01:44:34.000 Oh, did he?
01:44:35.000 Yeah.
01:44:35.000 And he's like, hey man, can you get me some free tickets?
01:44:39.000 I go, yeah, let me text Rogan and get fucking free tickets to his arena show.
01:44:43.000 I go, you're a fucking very successful showrunner.
01:44:46.000 Buy a goddamn ticket to the show.
01:44:47.000 But he went and he said it was unbelievable.
01:44:50.000 He's like, Rogan killed so hard, I felt bad for Chappelle.
01:44:55.000 And then Chappelle came up and also just annihilated it.
01:44:59.000 Everybody was so happy.
01:45:00.000 Like, the audience was so happy.
01:45:02.000 It was a thing, first of all, it's like, you know, the lockdowns and everything, and people weren't doing arena shows.
01:45:08.000 Vegas wasn't even open until a couple months ago.
01:45:11.000 Yeah.
01:45:11.000 Right?
01:45:11.000 So then, all of a sudden, Vegas is open again, and when we booked this, we weren't sure if it was going to be at full capacity.
01:45:18.000 We thought, does that save anybody?
01:45:21.000 When you're all screaming and laughing and there's like six feet apart from each other, does that really have any impact on the spread of a virus?
01:45:29.000 But it was just buck wild.
01:45:31.000 14,000 people.
01:45:33.000 Two nights in a row we did it.
01:45:35.000 Really?
01:45:35.000 Yeah, we did Thursday and Friday.
01:45:37.000 Wild.
01:45:38.000 It was wild.
01:45:40.000 Yeah, it was wild.
01:45:41.000 It was really fun.
01:45:42.000 Donnell Rawlings, Tom Segura did it with me too.
01:45:45.000 Nice.
01:45:46.000 We had a good fucking time.
01:45:48.000 That's amazing.
01:45:48.000 Yeah.
01:45:49.000 And that was the weekend of the McGregor fight, right?
01:45:52.000 Yes.
01:45:53.000 Yeah, and then the McGregor fight was Saturday night.
01:45:55.000 Yeah.
01:45:56.000 Good weekend.
01:45:57.000 It was a fun time.
01:45:58.000 Yeah.
01:45:58.000 But it was like Vegas is back time.
01:46:02.000 Yeah.
01:46:02.000 Like it felt like it.
01:46:03.000 Like everything was fucking electric.
01:46:05.000 Uh-huh.
01:46:05.000 Like people were excited to be there and the casinos were filled with people.
01:46:09.000 Yeah.
01:46:10.000 But you know, now that people are catching COVID again, who knows what's going to happen.
01:46:14.000 I know.
01:46:14.000 Because I think a lot of people thought that the vaccine was going to be the cure and that's it.
01:46:18.000 Yeah.
01:46:18.000 No worries.
01:46:20.000 Now people are scared.
01:46:21.000 I wonder if they're going to be less scared.
01:46:22.000 They find out that there's way less deaths.
01:46:28.000 A lot of the deaths happened in the early days, too, when they didn't know how to treat it and they were throwing people on ventilators right away.
01:46:37.000 Who knows?
01:46:38.000 But the crowds really are different, man, since the pandemic.
01:46:42.000 They are just electric.
01:46:43.000 They're so excited to be there.
01:46:44.000 Every show, people are so excited.
01:46:46.000 Even if it's not full, it's just it feels full.
01:46:49.000 When it's 50% capacity, it still feels like it's 100%.
01:46:54.000 I did Wise Guys in Salt Lake.
01:46:58.000 Goddamn, that's a great club.
01:47:00.000 That's fun.
01:47:01.000 And that's a great place, too, because they're a little weirded out by the whole Mormon thing.
01:47:07.000 There's a percentage of the people that are Mormons in the crowd.
01:47:11.000 And I was like, if you're Mormon, guess what?
01:47:12.000 You're not supposed to be here.
01:47:14.000 This is not right.
01:47:17.000 You're not following your fucking rules.
01:47:20.000 Whatever wacky rules you got.
01:47:22.000 Yeah.
01:47:23.000 It's a weird town, right?
01:47:24.000 Salt Lake, where it's kind of like a Mormon town, but not really anymore.
01:47:28.000 It's like there's a certain percentage of Mormons, but it's like a regular city, but it still has the influence of the Mormons.
01:47:34.000 Well, it's a high percentage.
01:47:35.000 Oh, yeah.
01:47:36.000 Yeah.
01:47:36.000 What do you think?
01:47:36.000 It's like 30, 40?
01:47:37.000 No, I think it's more than that.
01:47:39.000 Really?
01:47:39.000 Yeah.
01:47:40.000 Let's guess.
01:47:40.000 Let's guess and we'll find out.
01:47:41.000 I'm going to say 70. Whoa!
01:47:42.000 I bet it's 70%.
01:47:43.000 I mean, they're a raised Mormon.
01:47:45.000 I'm sure they leave the fold once they turn 18 or whatever.
01:47:48.000 Alright, let's Google it.
01:47:50.000 What percentage of Salt Lake City residents are Mormon?
01:47:54.000 I did Utah.
01:47:56.000 I figured that was good enough.
01:47:56.000 Oh, Utah is a pretty high number.
01:47:58.000 But Salt Lake City?
01:48:00.000 What did you get out of Utah?
01:48:01.000 62%.
01:48:02.000 Whoa.
01:48:03.000 Of the whole state.
01:48:04.000 49% of Salt Lake County.
01:48:06.000 49% of Salt Lake County.
01:48:09.000 Yeah.
01:48:10.000 And so when you come out of that energy, I mean, it's like, where do you get laid more than a fucking Catholic girl school?
01:48:16.000 I remember that in high school, man.
01:48:18.000 Holy Child and Our Lady of Victory.
01:48:21.000 And we used to hit those schools hard.
01:48:24.000 Marymount College.
01:48:24.000 It was a fucking Catholic college in my town growing up.
01:48:28.000 Oh, my God.
01:48:30.000 If you tell those girls to stay away from boys, the first thing they want to do is find a boy.
01:48:35.000 That's right.
01:48:36.000 Get me a boy.
01:48:37.000 Get me a boy.
01:48:38.000 I can't do this anymore.
01:48:40.000 I want to sin!
01:48:40.000 Shut the fuck up, Mom!
01:48:44.000 Leave me alone, Dad.
01:48:45.000 I'm my own woman.
01:48:46.000 That was in high school, man, for sure.
01:48:49.000 We used to go up to that college when we were like 16 years old.
01:48:52.000 We'd get a couple bottles of wine.
01:48:54.000 We'd head up to Marymount and we'd just troll.
01:48:56.000 We'd just walk around looking for these Hispanic girls from the Bronx whose mothers were trying to cloister them up at Marymount College.
01:49:03.000 They'll be safe up there.
01:49:04.000 No, they won't.
01:49:05.000 The worst place for them.
01:49:07.000 I dated this one girl in high school who went to all-girls Catholic school and her two sisters didn't.
01:49:12.000 Her two sisters went to public school and she went to Catholic school and she was so wild.
01:49:20.000 She was like, if you took a cat and you throw a ball of yarn in front of a cat, it dives on it.
01:49:26.000 That's how she was with Dick.
01:49:28.000 She couldn't...
01:49:29.000 She couldn't...
01:49:30.000 She was crazy!
01:49:32.000 She was just a wild girl, and I think a lot of...
01:49:35.000 She wanted the yarn.
01:49:35.000 She just wanted to fuck.
01:49:37.000 Yeah.
01:49:38.000 All the time, and I think it was because of Catholic school.
01:49:41.000 Uh-huh.
01:49:42.000 Yeah.
01:49:43.000 Tell me I can't have it.
01:49:44.000 She's a wild girl, man.
01:49:46.000 She fucked like five of my friends.
01:49:47.000 She was crazy.
01:49:48.000 You ever see somebody like that when they get older and you just look at them and you're like, mm-hmm?
01:49:52.000 Yeah, it's sad sometimes.
01:49:54.000 Yeah.
01:49:55.000 Been through some rough times.
01:49:57.000 And the sad thing is if it's the same town and you're like passing by guys you fucked before.
01:50:03.000 I'm like, oh, hi, Norman.
01:50:04.000 You know?
01:50:05.000 He's like, hey, Mary, how you been?
01:50:07.000 Yeah.
01:50:09.000 Some guy who still remembers high school.
01:50:11.000 Yeah.
01:50:12.000 She walks by and every guy locks eyes with each other like, remember?
01:50:16.000 Oh, no.
01:50:18.000 And if you're her husband now, you're like...
01:50:19.000 Well, that was the best.
01:50:21.000 Remember Best in Show with Kathleen O'Hara?
01:50:25.000 Oh, yeah.
01:50:26.000 She played that character where she had fucked every guy they ran into with her husband.
01:50:30.000 Eugene Levy was the husband and he was constantly keeping an eye on her.
01:50:34.000 They're a good team.
01:50:35.000 They're a great team on that Schitt's Creek show.
01:50:38.000 That show's very good.
01:50:40.000 So original.
01:50:41.000 Yeah, very original.
01:50:41.000 I watched the first episode and I was like, alright, here's a big premise.
01:50:45.000 I don't know if they can pull it.
01:50:46.000 Sometimes they go too big with the premise.
01:50:48.000 Right.
01:50:48.000 And you go like, they can't follow this up.
01:50:50.000 But then it turns into a whole other show.
01:50:52.000 It just turns into a very intimate show about a family that really loves each other.
01:50:58.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:50:59.000 And going through some shit.
01:51:00.000 Yeah.
01:51:01.000 Yeah.
01:51:01.000 It's great.
01:51:02.000 And Eugene Levy's son is fucking great.
01:51:05.000 He's really funny.
01:51:06.000 Yeah.
01:51:07.000 He's really funny.
01:51:08.000 I've never seen him off the show.
01:51:10.000 Is he as gay off the show?
01:51:12.000 Because he's pretty gay on the show.
01:51:15.000 Yeah.
01:51:16.000 I don't know.
01:51:17.000 I haven't seen him being interviewed.
01:51:18.000 I've only seen him on that show.
01:51:20.000 Yeah.
01:51:20.000 Has he done other shows before?
01:51:22.000 I don't know, but he's meticulous, because he's a producer on that show, and that thing is very well put together.
01:51:27.000 Yeah, it's a great show.
01:51:28.000 Yeah.
01:51:28.000 It's a really good show.
01:51:29.000 And again, like you said, it's a really good premise.
01:51:31.000 Yeah.
01:51:32.000 And then Chris, what's his name?
01:51:33.000 Elliot.
01:51:33.000 Elliot is amazing there, too.
01:51:35.000 Yeah.
01:51:35.000 As the crazy mayor of the town.
01:51:37.000 Uh-huh.
01:51:37.000 Yeah.
01:51:38.000 And it started out as like a little Canadian show, I think.
01:51:41.000 Really?
01:51:41.000 And it got picked up.
01:51:42.000 Yeah, I think they did all the episodes up in Canada.
01:51:47.000 Yeah.
01:51:47.000 I never watched any of it until this year, until the pandemic.
01:51:50.000 I binged.
01:51:51.000 That's a good binge.
01:51:52.000 I watched a bunch of them.
01:51:53.000 That's a good binge because you can watch a bunch of them back to back.
01:51:56.000 Yeah.
01:51:57.000 There's some shows you really got to like, like Breaking Bad, you got to watch one, maybe two, and then you got to go sit alone in a room for a little while and ingest it and let it settle.
01:52:06.000 Oh.
01:52:06.000 I started getting into Community.
01:52:08.000 I never watched Community.
01:52:09.000 Never saw it.
01:52:10.000 It's good.
01:52:10.000 It's good.
01:52:11.000 It's really good.
01:52:12.000 Joel McHale's fucking funny, man.
01:52:14.000 Donald Glover's really funny.
01:52:15.000 Even Chevy Chase.
01:52:16.000 It's weird to see Chevy Chase as an old man in a sitcom.
01:52:18.000 It's very strange.
01:52:19.000 But it's good.
01:52:20.000 I think they bounced him off the show for being an asshole after a while.
01:52:23.000 Yeah, I kind of heard that too.
01:52:25.000 I don't know if that's true, but I wouldn't be surprised.
01:52:27.000 He seems like a grumpy dude.
01:52:29.000 I did one of the Comedy Central roasts when he was the roastee, and he wouldn't say hi to us before the show.
01:52:38.000 We're all backstage, and it's like me and Jeff Ross and Lisa Lampanelli, Kevin Meany, Al Franken.
01:52:48.000 Stephen Colbert.
01:52:49.000 And we're all standing around, and he wouldn't shake hands.
01:52:52.000 He would just look away from you when he walked up, mirrored sunglasses on.
01:52:56.000 What?
01:52:56.000 And then he gets on stage, and he sits there with fucking sunglasses on, and he wouldn't look at you while you were performing.
01:53:04.000 So the whole audience was just like...
01:53:07.000 Bummed out.
01:53:08.000 It didn't have the feeling of a roast where it's like, hey, we're all kidding around and we're busting balls.
01:53:12.000 It was just more like, here's a guy who fucking hates all of you, and you're trying to do jokes, and people were bombing.
01:53:19.000 I think Marin was on it, Todd Barry was on it, and it was a bomb festival.
01:53:24.000 It was brutal.
01:53:26.000 Yeah.
01:53:27.000 Wow.
01:53:28.000 Yeah, I always wondered if one of the reasons why he was always so shitty was that he's in pain.
01:53:34.000 You know, because he did so many pratfalls.
01:53:38.000 He did so many, like, stunts.
01:53:42.000 Yeah.
01:53:42.000 Where he'd fall and land hard on his back.
01:53:45.000 Right.
01:53:45.000 And the reality to that shit is, and this is how I think about things, right?
01:53:49.000 Right.
01:53:50.000 I think about damage to your body.
01:53:52.000 That guy's got to be in agony.
01:53:54.000 There's no way he's not.
01:53:55.000 And also, he probably got a lot of brain damage doing that.
01:53:57.000 Like, no bullshit.
01:53:59.000 Because he was always like, feet up in the air, boom, slam, fall down on the ground.
01:54:03.000 Remember that?
01:54:04.000 Like, a lot of the shit that he did on SNL, a lot of that old school stuff, even like Fletch, like all those old movies, he fell down a lot.
01:54:12.000 Think about how many takes you have to do with those.
01:54:15.000 Think about how many times he did that probably doing sketch.
01:54:17.000 Doing sketch comedy.
01:54:19.000 Doing improv.
01:54:21.000 He was a guy who would fall down.
01:54:23.000 When you do that a lot, man, you get busted up.
01:54:27.000 How many nights is he performing?
01:54:28.000 How many times have you fallen?
01:54:30.000 How many nights have you fallen during a week?
01:54:33.000 When I heard he was an asshole, Because my history with people getting punched and kicked in the head, my first thing I was thinking, I bet that guy's in pain all the time.
01:54:42.000 I bet he's all fucked up.
01:54:43.000 Have you seen that with fighters?
01:54:44.000 Do guys turn into assholes as they get older if they get beat up too much?
01:54:47.000 They get crumpy.
01:54:47.000 They get real impulsive.
01:54:49.000 They do wild shit.
01:54:51.000 They wind up doing a lot of drugs or gambling and shit.
01:54:53.000 That's the thing about people with brain damage.
01:54:55.000 They get very impulsive.
01:54:57.000 Drive drunk.
01:54:58.000 Get wild.
01:55:01.000 They have a hard time controlling their impulses, a hard time controlling their tempers, too.
01:55:05.000 And there's nothing you can do about that.
01:55:07.000 That's just permanent damage.
01:55:08.000 I wonder.
01:55:09.000 You know, I wonder.
01:55:10.000 I think there's some people that have had a lot of relief from psilocybin therapy.
01:55:15.000 Oh, yeah?
01:55:15.000 Yeah.
01:55:16.000 John Hopkins is about to do something with USADA, and they're working with—they want to—they haven't begun the studies yet, but they're going to work with UFC fighters, and they're going to—I think they're going to work with some other athletes as well that have sustained some brain damage, and they're going to work on helping them with psilocybin mushrooms.
01:55:34.000 Now, I've heard they've treated a lot of vets with that.
01:55:36.000 That's the hope for the...
01:55:38.000 Yeah.
01:55:39.000 Well, MAPS is using MDMA. MAPS Multidisciplinary Advanced Psychedelic Studies, whatever the hell it is.
01:55:50.000 Multidisciplinary...
01:55:50.000 What is it?
01:55:52.000 What does MAPS stand for?
01:55:55.000 Association of Psychedelic Studies.
01:55:58.000 I had Rick Doblin on, who's the head of MAPS, and he was talking to me about all the progress they've made with MDMA. Ecstasy, you know?
01:56:07.000 That's really good for people that have traumatic memories and You know, like soldiers in particular.
01:56:16.000 And that's one of the best treatments for them.
01:56:19.000 They do it in conjunction with talk therapy?
01:56:22.000 I don't know.
01:56:22.000 It's a good question.
01:56:23.000 I'm sure they probably...
01:56:24.000 You're probably going to have to talk through a lot of that stuff for sure.
01:56:30.000 But for fighters and soldiers and...
01:56:33.000 You know, people had a lot of damage, just psychological damage as well as physical damage.
01:56:38.000 But the thing about psilocybin is it has neuro-regenerative properties, so it actually can help heal the brain.
01:56:46.000 No shit!
01:56:47.000 Yeah, it's one of the rare things.
01:56:50.000 That lion's mane stuff has neuro-regenerative properties as well.
01:56:54.000 Yeah.
01:56:55.000 There's certain things that you can take that actually can help fix your brain.
01:56:59.000 They're also doing magnetic therapy.
01:57:01.000 They've done that with a lot of fighters.
01:57:04.000 There's something about using these super powerful magnets.
01:57:09.000 I did a whole series with that.
01:57:11.000 It's called TMS, transcranial magnetic stimulation, I think it's called.
01:57:16.000 And Neil Brennan turned me on to it.
01:57:18.000 Neil's done everything.
01:57:20.000 Well, because I'm like him.
01:57:21.000 I think Irish people get a lot of depression, but I've had lifelong battles with depression, and it fucking helped me.
01:57:28.000 I went in there like four days a week for about six months.
01:57:33.000 And you'd sit down and they'd put magnets on your head and they'd buzz.
01:57:38.000 You just keep fucking buzzing your head.
01:57:40.000 So you feel like a vibration?
01:57:42.000 Oh yeah, yeah.
01:57:43.000 It was uncomfortable.
01:57:44.000 While it's happening, do you feel it or do you feel it later?
01:57:48.000 It's cumulative.
01:57:49.000 You start to feel it, but you definitely feel a little off as it's happening.
01:57:56.000 And then after about two weeks, you really start to feel like the lows of the depression go away, and it holds.
01:58:05.000 I did it probably three years ago, and my wife is like, I see a big difference.
01:58:10.000 Wow, so it remaps your brain somehow.
01:58:13.000 Yes, exactly.
01:58:14.000 Oh, yeah.
01:58:15.000 Kat Zingano.
01:58:16.000 She's a female MMA fighter.
01:58:19.000 She used to fight for the UFC. Now she fights for Bellator.
01:58:21.000 She was telling me about that.
01:58:22.000 She had done some of that.
01:58:23.000 It helped her a lot.
01:58:24.000 It helped her regain her coordination.
01:58:26.000 She had one fight with Amanda Nunes, who is a UFC... She's a two-division champion.
01:58:32.000 She's the bantamweight champion and the featherweight champion.
01:58:34.000 She's a monster.
01:58:35.000 She's the greatest women fighter of all time.
01:58:37.000 Consensus.
01:58:38.000 Everybody agrees.
01:58:39.000 And she beat the shit out of Kat in the first round.
01:58:42.000 And Kat wound up winning the fight, but she sustained all sorts of damage from that first round that really fucked with her.
01:58:48.000 She got a bunch of weight gain, her coordination was off, and she fixed it through that magnetic therapy.
01:58:55.000 Wow.
01:58:56.000 Yeah.
01:58:57.000 Yeah, it's not cheap because a lot of insurance doesn't cover it yet.
01:59:02.000 They keep petitioning because it's like you've got to look at the cost of fixing somebody's depression.
01:59:08.000 And if you can spend whatever costs $10,000 for a treatment of it over six months and that keeps you from having to take medications for the rest of your life or go to psychotherapy for the rest of your life or whatever, the insurance companies have to start looking at it long ball as a real treatment.
01:59:25.000 They don't give a fuck.
01:59:26.000 All they want to do is save money.
01:59:28.000 Right.
01:59:29.000 They're like, nope, not covered.
01:59:30.000 Nope, nope, nope, nope.
01:59:31.000 I mean, there's so many things they don't cover.
01:59:33.000 I think ketamine is covered by a lot of insurance companies now.
01:59:36.000 That's wild.
01:59:37.000 Yeah.
01:59:38.000 That was one of the things that Neil told me about that really helped him.
01:59:41.000 It helped Duncan a lot, too.
01:59:45.000 A lot of people like it.
01:59:46.000 I have not done it, but a lot of people like it.
01:59:48.000 But Neil was, we were talking, I remember we were in the hallway of the Comedy Store.
01:59:52.000 And he's like, he goes, I did it.
01:59:55.000 He goes, I thought it was going to be one of those things.
01:59:57.000 You go there, it's like, you know, it's mild.
01:59:59.000 He goes, no.
02:00:00.000 He goes, I'm in the doctor's office.
02:00:01.000 I'm fucking tripping balls.
02:00:03.000 Yeah.
02:00:04.000 Like really tripping hard.
02:00:06.000 I was like, really?
02:00:07.000 He goes, yeah.
02:00:08.000 Like really tripping.
02:00:10.000 Wow.
02:00:10.000 He's like, wow.
02:00:11.000 Wow.
02:00:12.000 Yeah.
02:00:12.000 It's kind of like a weird loophole.
02:00:14.000 And he was doing it like two days a week for a while.
02:00:17.000 Yeah.
02:00:18.000 How's he now?
02:00:19.000 I haven't talked to him.
02:00:20.000 He's doing good.
02:00:21.000 I haven't talked to him since the pandemic.
02:00:23.000 I haven't seen him in a year and a half.
02:00:24.000 Yeah.
02:00:24.000 He's got good new material and weight's good.
02:00:29.000 He was getting a little thin there for a while because I think he went all vegan.
02:00:32.000 Ooh.
02:00:33.000 You stopped that?
02:00:34.000 I think so.
02:00:35.000 Yeah.
02:00:36.000 Maybe he started lifting weights.
02:00:37.000 I don't know.
02:00:38.000 Hmm.
02:00:39.000 But yeah, he's the guy that I always go to for advice on depression because he's done everything.
02:00:45.000 He really has done everything.
02:00:46.000 Magnets, ketamine.
02:00:48.000 Mm-hmm.
02:00:49.000 What else has he done?
02:00:51.000 Took a bunch of different...
02:00:52.000 He was the one who told me about 5-HTP. What's that?
02:00:55.000 5-HTP is like a building block for serotonin.
02:00:59.000 Yeah.
02:01:00.000 Yeah.
02:01:00.000 I know he does ayahuasca too.
02:01:03.000 Yeah, he's done it all.
02:01:04.000 Yeah.
02:01:05.000 Just to try to fix his fucked up brain.
02:01:08.000 He's an interesting guy because he's so fucking smart.
02:01:12.000 But obviously he's battling that thing, that depression thing.
02:01:18.000 But you're right, it is a lot of Irish guys have depression.
02:01:21.000 I don't know if it's the climate, being in the fucking dank, cold Irish climate all the time.
02:01:30.000 Did that lead to the drinking?
02:01:32.000 Is it the oppression by the fucking British for 800 years?
02:01:36.000 Is it the Catholic Church oppressing us?
02:01:42.000 Or is it just a gene?
02:01:45.000 You know, it's kind of amazing that no one has come up with a really good new religion.
02:01:51.000 You know?
02:01:52.000 Let's do it right now.
02:01:53.000 No, but if you think about it, like all these different Lutheran and Catholicism and, you know, Baptists and all the different branches of Christianity, like, yeah, it's been a long time since anybody really busted out with a new one.
02:02:07.000 Dianetics.
02:02:09.000 Right.
02:02:11.000 Yeah.
02:02:11.000 Scientology.
02:02:12.000 Scientology?
02:02:13.000 That's Dianetics.
02:02:14.000 Yeah.
02:02:14.000 L. Ron Hubbard.
02:02:15.000 But that's not a good one.
02:02:16.000 Even Mormonism isn't that old, isn't it?
02:02:18.000 It wasn't like the 1920s?
02:02:20.000 Yeah.
02:02:20.000 I think it was 1820. Oh, 1820?
02:02:23.000 That old?
02:02:23.000 Yeah.
02:02:24.000 I believe so.
02:02:25.000 I believe it was Joseph Smith.
02:02:26.000 He was 14 years old when he came up with it.
02:02:29.000 He had a vision?
02:02:30.000 No, just fucking lied to people.
02:02:33.000 He was a little liar.
02:02:35.000 A little 14-year-old liar.
02:02:38.000 And people believed him.
02:02:39.000 It's such a dumb lie, too.
02:02:41.000 Yeah.
02:02:41.000 Did you ever see Book of Mormon?
02:02:43.000 Oh, yeah.
02:02:43.000 It's amazing.
02:02:44.000 Yeah.
02:02:44.000 Amazing musical.
02:02:46.000 Those guys are hilarious.
02:02:48.000 I literally fell out of my chair because I saw it in LA, and LA wasn't ready for it.
02:02:53.000 New York was like, New York got it, but I saw it in LA, and when they did that song, and it's like 20 minutes in, and the first 20 minutes, they set it up, it's kind of sweet, it's kind of funny, and then they hit you with that song, Fuck Me In The Mouth, Cunt And Ass.
02:03:09.000 Jesus, fuck me in the cunt mouth and ass.
02:03:12.000 I literally, nobody was laughing.
02:03:15.000 It was like me and 12 other degenerates laughing and I fell on the floor.
02:03:20.000 I was laughing so fucking hard.
02:03:22.000 Those guys are so important.
02:03:25.000 Yeah.
02:03:25.000 Matt Stillen and Trey Parker are so important to comedy because they've always been pushing the envelope as far as it can go.
02:03:32.000 Yeah.
02:03:32.000 I mean, think about Team America World Police when they had that orgy scene or the sex scene with the two puppets and they added Like, all this extra shit because they knew that they were going to make them edit it.
02:03:42.000 So they were shitting on each other and pissing on each other.
02:03:47.000 And they did that just so that they could edit some of it out.
02:03:51.000 Like, they knew.
02:03:52.000 We're just going to take this so far that when we pull it back a little, it'll still be so crazy comparatively.
02:04:01.000 When they had the South Park movie and Satan and Saddam Hussein had a sexual relationship.
02:04:06.000 Yeah.
02:04:07.000 Did you see Satan's dick?
02:04:09.000 It was like a real dick.
02:04:11.000 It's like, you're like, hey, what's going on here?
02:04:13.000 It was kind of animated, but it was a photo.
02:04:16.000 It was like a photo of an actual dick.
02:04:19.000 Those guys are so important.
02:04:21.000 Yeah, week in and week out.
02:04:22.000 And they got a rule with Comedy Central.
02:04:24.000 No notes.
02:04:25.000 That's incredible.
02:04:26.000 They don't take notes.
02:04:27.000 That's incredible.
02:04:28.000 They don't even show them the script in advance.
02:04:30.000 I think they just shoot it.
02:04:31.000 They send it over.
02:04:32.000 Thank the baby Jesus.
02:04:34.000 Yeah.
02:04:34.000 Because if you let some young, woke, dumbass executive who just thinks he's going to fucking put his greasy little fingerprints all over that show and fuck it up...
02:04:46.000 And it's such a cash cow for them, they have no choice.
02:04:48.000 They're like, alright.
02:04:49.000 It's so established.
02:04:51.000 Just give it to us.
02:04:51.000 Yeah, you gotta leave them alone.
02:04:53.000 Yeah.
02:04:54.000 That one that they did about Corona was so fucking funny.
02:04:59.000 I didn't see that.
02:04:59.000 Holy shit.
02:05:00.000 That was epic.
02:05:04.000 I'm trying to think, wait, what the fuck happened?
02:05:08.000 Well, the genius of that show, too, is the puppets.
02:05:10.000 I mean, the cartoons.
02:05:11.000 Yeah.
02:05:12.000 Because you could have them do anything.
02:05:13.000 They could die.
02:05:14.000 Right.
02:05:15.000 They could say ridiculous shit.
02:05:16.000 They could get shot, lit on fire.
02:05:18.000 Yeah.
02:05:18.000 You know when the teacher, the school teacher, had a slut off with Paris Hilton and stuffed her up his ass?
02:05:29.000 Right, right, right.
02:05:33.000 Or when Randy Macho Man Savage came out as a woman and was winning all these competitions as a woman.
02:05:41.000 Ooh, yeah!
02:05:42.000 It's like they can do things and make them so preposterous.
02:05:46.000 They have all this extra power.
02:05:48.000 It's incredible.
02:05:49.000 Oh, no.
02:05:50.000 The pandemic episode, I had all these people accuse me of stealing the pandemic episode joke.
02:05:57.000 There was a joke That you and I riffed on, on your show.
02:06:00.000 It was about, like, what if you got COVID and then you fucked your dog because...
02:06:06.000 I'm not gonna redo it because we did it on the show.
02:06:09.000 But the premise was...
02:06:10.000 And that's how you got cured.
02:06:12.000 It cures you.
02:06:12.000 Right.
02:06:13.000 So I do that, we riff on it on your show, and then six months later, South Park does their pandemic episode, and it wasn't the same joke at all.
02:06:21.000 I sent it to you, and you were like, dude, this isn't even the same fucking thing.
02:06:23.000 Right.
02:06:24.000 But it was about, I think, fucking, maybe it was fucking the bat, whatever it was.
02:06:32.000 Yeah, and I had to put out a video showing the timestamps of the dates of mine and then that one that came out.
02:06:38.000 The amount of fucking people, because you and Segura and Bert all put it out.
02:06:44.000 Yeah.
02:06:45.000 And Ari all put out my stand-up clip.
02:06:48.000 Yeah.
02:06:48.000 And then it got attacked for being, you stole this from South Park.
02:06:51.000 It's like, the thing that happened six months after I did it?
02:06:53.000 Yeah.
02:06:54.000 Fucking crazy.
02:06:56.000 Well, it's the internet sleuths.
02:06:58.000 Yeah.
02:06:58.000 You know, they're always trying to find thievery, which I guess is good because it keeps people honest.
02:07:02.000 Yeah.
02:07:03.000 But not good when trolls try to make you feel bad.
02:07:06.000 Well, it's just hard to combat it.
02:07:08.000 It's hard because then you just make it a bigger issue if you try to fight back.
02:07:12.000 Yeah, but you silenced it.
02:07:13.000 It went away.
02:07:14.000 When people saw the video, they're like, oh, all right.
02:07:16.000 Yeah.
02:07:17.000 Yeah.
02:07:17.000 Yeah.
02:07:18.000 Yeah.
02:07:19.000 Well, Ari saw the bit.
02:07:21.000 He thought it was hilarious.
02:07:21.000 And then we were sharing it in a group chat.
02:07:24.000 And then we were all like, I think it was Ari's idea.
02:07:26.000 He's like, we should all post this.
02:07:28.000 So we all posted it.
02:07:29.000 That was so awesome, you guys.
02:07:30.000 That's pretty cool.
02:07:31.000 Got so many millions of views.
02:07:32.000 It was crazy.
02:07:33.000 That's the amazing thing about social media, you know, especially if there's a group of guys like Tom and Bert and Ari and me that have like, you know, all told together.
02:07:42.000 Like all those guys have, I don't know what their numbers are, but everyone together, it's like probably 20 million fucking people.
02:07:47.000 Yeah.
02:07:48.000 That's so many people.
02:07:49.000 That's so nuts.
02:07:50.000 Yeah, it is.
02:07:51.000 There's never been a thing like that.
02:07:53.000 No.
02:07:53.000 Where, like, you could get just a group of guys and they could reach 20 million people like that.
02:07:58.000 Yeah.
02:07:59.000 Like, I fucking share Kyle Dunnigan shit every chance I get.
02:08:04.000 No one makes me cry harder than his shit.
02:08:06.000 Laugh so hard.
02:08:07.000 But it's the same kind of thing because it's cartoonish.
02:08:10.000 You know, when he does those face swaps?
02:08:12.000 Have you seen this fucking sitcom he's doing about Biden?
02:08:15.000 No.
02:08:16.000 The Fresh Prez?
02:08:17.000 You haven't seen it?
02:08:18.000 What's it on?
02:08:19.000 He's doing it on YouTube.
02:08:20.000 He's basically doing like a whole sitcom of Biden.
02:08:24.000 And he's the only guy.
02:08:26.000 He has a Biden impression that is fucking incredible.
02:08:29.000 And he does Biden with like the face swap.
02:08:32.000 And he has like Ben Shapiro's on it and all these other people.
02:08:35.000 Like Bill Maher's on it.
02:08:37.000 AOC is on it.
02:08:38.000 Have you seen any of this?
02:08:39.000 Damn.
02:08:40.000 Play some of this.
02:08:43.000 You just have 24 hours where I'll be forced to broadcast your son's homemade pornos.
02:08:47.000 I'm not hearing it.
02:08:51.000 It's called the Fresh Pres.
02:08:53.000 Look at AOC. Where's your laptop?
02:09:04.000 We'll get to the laptop.
02:09:06.000 Oh, that's Hunter Biden?
02:09:07.000 First, I have to tell you something really important.
02:09:09.000 I don't have a laptop.
02:09:12.000 But I think I'm falling in love with you.
02:09:14.000 For real.
02:09:15.000 What?
02:09:15.000 Don't worry.
02:09:16.000 We'll get through this.
02:09:17.000 Together.
02:09:20.000 Let us see.
02:09:22.000 Yeah.
02:09:23.000 Well, we should probably not play it.
02:09:26.000 Everybody, go watch it.
02:09:27.000 Watch it from the beginning.
02:09:28.000 I used to write on a show for Cedric the Entertainer.
02:09:31.000 It was on Fox.
02:09:32.000 It was a long time ago.
02:09:34.000 And he was like the Jim Carrey of the show.
02:09:36.000 It was an all-black cast.
02:09:37.000 Not all-black, but it was mostly black cast.
02:09:39.000 And he was like the crazy white guy on the show.
02:09:42.000 And he did so many fucking funny characters.
02:09:45.000 He's great.
02:09:46.000 He's a dude that they were trying to do a Comedy Central show with him, but it's exactly what we're talking about.
02:09:52.000 They fucked it up.
02:09:53.000 Yeah.
02:09:53.000 Because he had a whole sketch where Caitlyn Jenner had sex with Trump, you know, because he does Trump, and he had Caitlyn Jenner riding Trump and fucking him, and they were like, no way.
02:10:04.000 No!
02:10:04.000 Yeah.
02:10:05.000 Dude, it was hilarious.
02:10:07.000 Wow.
02:10:07.000 And they were like, no way.
02:10:08.000 But unfortunately...
02:10:09.000 There's one thing, though, about when they were doing it on Comedy Central, I think they were using Dr. Fakenstein.
02:10:14.000 They were using real face swaps where it was too good.
02:10:19.000 That stuff's better, the stuff he's doing now, because it's so obviously fake.
02:10:24.000 It's clunky, the lips are out of whack, the whole face looks weird.
02:10:28.000 There's something about the obvious fakeness that makes it better.
02:10:34.000 Have you seen that face swap with Tom Cruise?
02:10:38.000 No.
02:10:38.000 You haven't seen it?
02:10:39.000 No.
02:10:40.000 You gotta see this.
02:10:41.000 Because this guy did a face swap, like a fake, like a AI, what do you call it?
02:10:47.000 What do they call it?
02:10:49.000 Deepfake.
02:10:50.000 Deepfake.
02:10:50.000 They did a deepfake with Tom Cruise and it's fucking incredible.
02:10:54.000 It looks like Tom Cruise is talking.
02:10:56.000 Exactly.
02:10:57.000 Yeah.
02:10:57.000 Like we are like a year or two away from not having any idea if someone really said something.
02:11:03.000 Watch this.
02:11:03.000 That's the actual guy.
02:11:06.000 And this is the fake one is on the right.
02:11:08.000 But play.
02:11:09.000 Watch this.
02:11:09.000 No, that's the breakdown.
02:11:11.000 Just watch this.
02:11:12.000 When they play the video.
02:11:14.000 Sorry.
02:11:14.000 I wasn't on a good thing for the video.
02:11:16.000 It's okay.
02:11:17.000 Put your headphones on so you can watch it, though.
02:11:19.000 Because it's really crazy.
02:11:23.000 See, this guy, Tom Cruise's face.
02:11:26.000 There it is.
02:11:26.000 Press that.
02:11:27.000 Play.
02:11:28.000 I'm going to show you some magic.
02:11:32.000 The real thing.
02:11:35.000 I mean, it's all the real.
02:11:47.000 How good is that?
02:11:48.000 Fuck!
02:11:49.000 It's crazy, right?
02:11:51.000 That's insane!
02:11:52.000 I mean, the guy does a great impression with the voice, but now they can take your voice.
02:11:57.000 Like, they've taken my voice, and there's a company out of Canada that took all the hours and hours of podcasts, and they have me saying all kinds of crazy shit.
02:12:04.000 Because you can have anything.
02:12:06.000 You can say anything.
02:12:06.000 You just have my voice.
02:12:08.000 You have all the numbers and all the sounds.
02:12:10.000 Here's another one.
02:12:11.000 It's a little embarrassing.
02:12:12.000 You know, it reminds me, there was once in Russia, I ran into Gorbachev.
02:12:19.000 He said, you know, Mr. Movie Star, are you nervous?
02:12:24.000 I said, no, Mr. Gorbachev, I'm not nervous.
02:12:28.000 He goes, well, remember how much a polar bear weighs.
02:12:34.000 I said, a polar bear?
02:12:36.000 He said, enough to break the ice.
02:12:42.000 It's the last time I've ever seen Mikhail Gorbachev.
02:12:54.000 It's wild, right?
02:12:56.000 I mean, it's hard to believe.
02:12:58.000 I mean, you could have him do basically anything.
02:13:03.000 So, he looks a lot like him, but then they take this...
02:13:08.000 Yeah.
02:13:09.000 They take this deepfake technology and they swap Tom Cruise's facial features for this guy's facial features, and it all gets done through artificial intelligence CGI. Yeah.
02:13:19.000 Damn.
02:13:20.000 But what's crazy is, that's that guy's voice.
02:13:24.000 He does a good Tom Cruise impression.
02:13:25.000 But they can use Tom Cruise's voice.
02:13:28.000 So they, like, where someone like you, like you have hours and hours of podcasts out there, they can take you basically all of your inflections, and they can take hundreds of hours of recordings that are available of you, and then they would be able to have you generate, like,
02:13:44.000 a full dialogue.
02:13:45.000 So they could do, they did this with Bourdain.
02:13:47.000 With this new movie, there's a new movie called Roadrunner.
02:13:50.000 It's a documentary about Bourdain and his life.
02:13:52.000 And in this documentary, they use deepfake technology, artificial intelligence, to recreate him saying things.
02:14:00.000 See if you can find some of that.
02:14:02.000 Is it available?
02:14:04.000 No.
02:14:05.000 They must have like a sample.
02:14:07.000 It's called Roadrunner and people are really pissed off.
02:14:10.000 They didn't like it because it's not really Bourdain narrating his documentary.
02:14:16.000 They took all the hours and hours and hours of footage of Bourdain talking and they put it through this technology and they recreate it.
02:14:23.000 They wrote a script and then have his voice say the script.
02:14:28.000 Yeah.
02:14:28.000 They're like, but he's not saying that.
02:14:30.000 And they're like, well, you know, sounds like him.
02:14:33.000 This is going to start world wars.
02:14:36.000 This is scary.
02:14:37.000 It's Wag the Dog.
02:14:38.000 Remember?
02:14:39.000 Wag the Dog.
02:14:40.000 They created these fake scenarios, but now they can do it in an insanely realistic way.
02:14:46.000 They did it with Reagan way, way, way back in the day.
02:14:50.000 Like, they had, I forget what country did it, they released some sort of a video or an audio recording of Reagan saying a bunch of shit that he never really said, and then they showed it on the news how they pieced it together from various speeches that Reagan had given,
02:15:06.000 and they took the words out of context and smooshed it together and had him say some things that he never really said.
02:15:11.000 Shit.
02:15:12.000 But this Bourdain one, I think, is the first time that they ever had a deceased person narrating a documentary about himself with his voice, but with a script that some other people wrote.
02:15:26.000 Uh-huh.
02:15:27.000 Which is...
02:15:28.000 I think he was...
02:15:29.000 I don't know if I'm going to be able to find it because it only came out in an interview where the director admitted he did it.
02:15:34.000 So I don't know that anyone's...
02:15:35.000 They've played it out because I don't know if the movie's out yet.
02:15:38.000 Isn't it out?
02:15:38.000 Roadrunner?
02:15:39.000 Well, I'm looking and it's not popping up.
02:15:41.000 Here's an example of it or anything.
02:15:43.000 But they had him read a journal entry or something like that.
02:15:46.000 He had written...
02:15:47.000 Oh, it's something he wrote?
02:15:48.000 I believe.
02:15:49.000 Oh, so they used his voice.
02:15:52.000 Well, that's better.
02:15:54.000 Yeah, it's still a little touchy because you use technology.
02:15:59.000 I know it's available.
02:16:00.000 It's a matter of time until, like, Ryan Seacrest and people like that are just going to start mailing in their jobs.
02:16:06.000 Oh, yeah.
02:16:06.000 Yeah.
02:16:07.000 The goal of the new documentary about...
02:16:09.000 So this is an interview with the guy talking about that he did it.
02:16:14.000 So there's no...
02:16:15.000 But I think it's out, man.
02:16:17.000 It's not out?
02:16:18.000 I'm not saying it's not.
02:16:19.000 I'm just saying I'm looking and it's not all over the internet.
02:16:22.000 Like, here's the piece of controversial...
02:16:24.000 Oh.
02:16:25.000 Just people talking about the controversy.
02:16:26.000 But is the documentary out?
02:16:28.000 Just find out when the documentary itself gets released.
02:16:33.000 But people that I know that have seen it were kind of disturbed by it.
02:16:37.000 They're like, this is...
02:16:37.000 Yeah, that crosses a line.
02:16:39.000 It is out, I guess, yeah.
02:16:40.000 Yeah.
02:16:41.000 What's it on?
02:16:42.000 Is it just in the theaters?
02:16:44.000 Yes, Focus Features released it.
02:16:48.000 I don't know.
02:16:49.000 Well, you got these concerts now with Biggie Smalls being a hologram.
02:16:55.000 Yeah, I've seen the Tupac hologram.
02:16:58.000 He's jacked.
02:16:58.000 It was like Tupac did CrossFit.
02:17:00.000 Oh, really?
02:17:00.000 Yeah, they made him jacked.
02:17:01.000 It looks like an MMA fighter.
02:17:05.000 I mean, nobody's ever going to die.
02:17:09.000 It's in theaters and it'll be on HBO Max, but they haven't said when.
02:17:12.000 Okay.
02:17:13.000 So it's only in theaters.
02:17:15.000 So there's no actual recording?
02:17:17.000 That's the tough part.
02:17:18.000 If that ended up being on YouTube, they're probably getting removed instantly.
02:17:22.000 Right, right, right.
02:17:23.000 I'll try real hard.
02:17:24.000 Yeah, it's just a matter of time.
02:17:26.000 Did you see Alita, that movie Alita?
02:17:28.000 No.
02:17:28.000 It's really good.
02:17:29.000 It's really interesting.
02:17:31.000 It's CGI, clearly CGI. Like, the girl is like a robot.
02:17:36.000 But a lot of the people in the movie are part robot and part human.
02:17:42.000 And it's this weird blurry line between reality and this clearly fictional scene.
02:17:52.000 You're watching, you know, people getting sliced in half and their heads still moving and, you know, they're...
02:17:58.000 They take this robot head and they put it on a robot body, but it looks...
02:18:03.000 They've gone into that, what they call the uncanny valley, between something being a real depiction, like someone watching you right now is real.
02:18:12.000 But they can get so close now.
02:18:14.000 Yeah.
02:18:15.000 But this girl in Alita, it's like a wild, cool CGI action movie.
02:18:20.000 It was a really fun movie.
02:18:21.000 Robert Rodriguez directed it.
02:18:23.000 And so the girl looks fake, like she's got big giant anime eyes, but it's close to real.
02:18:30.000 Like her hair looks real, and it's like, whoa, we're getting into some weird, strange gray area now.
02:18:37.000 Well, especially if you think, you know, studios are always trying to cut costs, and it's a matter of time until they start putting secondary characters in as animated, or whatever you call this.
02:18:48.000 Well, I think they should do that with children.
02:18:51.000 Just to stop child actors.
02:18:53.000 Yeah, that's true.
02:18:54.000 Yeah, I mean, because when does a kid ever come out of that okay?
02:18:58.000 I mean, how many of them come out of it okay?
02:19:00.000 Dude, I just re-watched The Shining recently, and that kid in The Shining got fucked up, apparently, from being around that.
02:19:07.000 I mean, if you watch the movie again, there are moments where you go, like, how could you have done this to a kid?
02:19:12.000 How could this kid have been exposed to this insanity?
02:19:15.000 And the guy, he never really acted again.
02:19:19.000 And he was great.
02:19:20.000 Do you remember how good he was in that movie?
02:19:22.000 I think he stuck around Hollywood and he went out for stuff and he auditioned and nothing ever really happened.
02:19:30.000 I mean, this was like a major movie that he was a star of.
02:19:33.000 And then I think now he's teaching at a community college in Oklahoma or something.
02:19:39.000 His life just kind of ended.
02:19:42.000 Yeah.
02:19:43.000 You know what's funny?
02:19:44.000 If you said, I know this guy, he teaches at a community college in Oakland.
02:19:49.000 You'd be like, oh, okay.
02:19:51.000 Or Oklahoma, whatever.
02:19:52.000 Yeah.
02:19:52.000 Like, oh, okay, guy's got a good job.
02:19:54.000 Right.
02:19:55.000 But if you're like, oh, he used to be a movie star, and now his life's over.
02:19:58.000 He teaches at a community college somewhere in Oklahoma.
02:20:00.000 That's true.
02:20:01.000 It's like, it's weird.
02:20:02.000 It's like once someone is, it's almost like we know that this guy did something that no one gets to do.
02:20:10.000 He was starring in a movie.
02:20:11.000 So to do a thing that everybody can, or that some people do, you know, a regular job.
02:20:15.000 Like, oh, my cousin, he's a professor at a community college.
02:20:19.000 Oh, normal guy.
02:20:20.000 Normal job.
02:20:21.000 That's a regular job.
02:20:22.000 Not a movie star, though.
02:20:23.000 It's weird.
02:20:24.000 Like, you would not feel bad if you found out a guy was a professor at a college somewhere.
02:20:30.000 Yeah.
02:20:30.000 Oh, normal job.
02:20:32.000 But a guy who used to be a movie star as a child and is now a professor, you're like, oh, his life's over.
02:20:39.000 Yeah.
02:20:40.000 Weird.
02:20:40.000 Yeah.
02:20:41.000 Meanwhile, like, was that life, you know, day to day, was that a good life for him?
02:20:46.000 I mean, that movie shot for like a year.
02:20:50.000 Kubrick had them shoot for a fucking year, and he was doing like, apparently the take where the woman, what the fuck is her name, who was the star...
02:20:59.000 Yeah.
02:21:02.000 Yeah.
02:21:10.000 Yeah.
02:21:20.000 You know, forcefully created that.
02:21:23.000 Shelley Duvall.
02:21:24.000 Shelley Duvall, yeah.
02:21:25.000 And she had trauma from it.
02:21:27.000 To this day, she talks about the trauma she had in that movie.
02:21:30.000 I was reading a story of an interview with her.
02:21:32.000 She kind of vanished.
02:21:33.000 Yeah.
02:21:33.000 And then they were interviewing her and she sounded insane.
02:21:36.000 Yeah.
02:21:36.000 I think it pushed her over the edge.
02:21:38.000 I think that movie fucked people up.
02:21:40.000 Kubrick was a strange guy.
02:21:42.000 Yeah, he was.
02:21:43.000 You know he would do complex mathematics in his spare time?
02:21:46.000 Really?
02:21:46.000 Yeah, he's like a legitimate genius.
02:21:49.000 Wow.
02:21:49.000 And he would put all sorts of like weird hidden meaning into all of his movies.
02:21:54.000 Like a thing was never just a thing.
02:21:56.000 Like there's a big crazy conspiracy about The Shining that inside of it is all sorts of...
02:22:07.000 Information that relates to the moon landing.
02:22:11.000 Yeah, the room in the hotel, it was room 127, and the moon is 127,000 miles from the Earth or something.
02:22:21.000 No, it's like 237. Yeah, whatever it was.
02:22:24.000 Yeah, the moon is like 200, I think it's room 237, right?
02:22:28.000 Yeah, 237. That's the documentary on it.
02:22:31.000 The moon is, well, it depends on what time of the year and where, but it's between 237 and 265,000 miles away.
02:22:39.000 Well, and they say that he directed the fake movie about the fake moon landing.
02:22:44.000 Well, that's the big conspiracy theory.
02:22:47.000 What is the thing in the circle with the Jack Nicholson picture there?
02:22:52.000 Oh, there's the coffee.
02:22:54.000 What does it say?
02:22:54.000 It's the coffee.
02:22:55.000 It might be the coffee.
02:22:56.000 Calumet.
02:22:57.000 Calumet?
02:22:57.000 What does that mean?
02:22:58.000 What is Calumet?
02:22:59.000 And then the other one, you go up, scroll up, you see the circles.
02:23:02.000 There's rockets on the wall.
02:23:04.000 Uh-huh.
02:23:06.000 Sorta.
02:23:06.000 Sorta.
02:23:07.000 That is, that is, whatever that is.
02:23:08.000 Yeah.
02:23:09.000 Strange.
02:23:10.000 Yeah, but he was into weird shit.
02:23:12.000 I mean, he was a legitimate genius.
02:23:14.000 Yeah.
02:23:15.000 Like, Eyes Wide Shut, that's another fucking strange movie.
02:23:18.000 He did a lot of strange movies, man.
02:23:20.000 Yeah, he did.
02:23:21.000 Did he do Clockwork Orange?
02:23:23.000 Was that him?
02:23:23.000 Yeah, that was Kubrick.
02:23:25.000 Jesus, that was...
02:23:25.000 Full Metal Jacket documentary, that whole thing they shot in London.
02:23:29.000 Really?
02:23:29.000 Because he wouldn't leave his home.
02:23:32.000 Really?
02:23:32.000 So they made the second half of the movie supposed to be in Vietnam and some area in part of England.
02:23:39.000 Really?
02:23:39.000 Yeah.
02:23:40.000 Wow.
02:23:41.000 He wouldn't leave London.
02:23:42.000 Fuck you, I'm staying here.
02:23:44.000 But the movie's supposed to be in the middle of the jungle.
02:23:48.000 Yeah, well, it's right here.
02:23:49.000 Here's the jungle.
02:23:50.000 Fuck off.
02:23:51.000 Right.
02:23:52.000 Damn.
02:23:53.000 He did some wild ass fucking movies though, man.
02:23:56.000 Yeah, he did.
02:23:57.000 2001. The conspiracy theory about him directing the moon landing was that he was doing it at the same time he was doing 2001. So because he was faking this space movie, 2001 A Space Odyssey, that they used him to fake the moon landing footage.
02:24:14.000 Uh-huh.
02:24:15.000 And there's a fake documentary, not a real documentary, but a fake, like a mockumentary, where he's admitting and people are talking about...
02:24:23.000 Have you seen that one?
02:24:24.000 No, but that makes sense.
02:24:26.000 Yeah, a lot of people are like, dude, you didn't even know there's an actual real interview with him where he admits that he faked the moon landing.
02:24:32.000 But it's not.
02:24:33.000 It's fake, but it's...
02:24:35.000 Were you ever in the camp of the moon landing was fake?
02:24:38.000 For years!
02:24:39.000 Yeah.
02:24:40.000 Yeah.
02:24:40.000 It's one of my favorite all-time conspiracies because it's so strange that we never went back.
02:24:45.000 I abandoned it because I don't know anything about astrophysics or space travel or any of that stuff.
02:24:53.000 And the people that do think it's real.
02:24:55.000 So I'm like, okay, well, most likely...
02:24:58.000 They think the landing really happened.
02:24:59.000 Yeah.
02:25:00.000 But there's so many weird things to it.
02:25:02.000 There's so many.
02:25:03.000 There's so many weird things with the photographs.
02:25:05.000 And there's intersecting shadows that indicate different light sources.
02:25:09.000 There's all sorts of weird...
02:25:10.000 The flag waving.
02:25:11.000 Yeah, it's weird shit, man.
02:25:13.000 There's a lot of weird shit.
02:25:14.000 The fact that this is the only time in human history...
02:25:18.000 That something is not cheaper, easier, and faster to replicate than it was in 1969. Between 1969 and 1972, there were seven trips, six successful, where they went to the moon and back.
02:25:33.000 And every spaceflight since then has been like near-Earth orbit.
02:25:39.000 Everything is just a few miles up.
02:25:43.000 They don't go like they did then.
02:25:45.000 I think everything since then is like 300 miles.
02:25:48.000 Every human travel, space shuttles and stuff like that, they never go that far.
02:25:54.000 They never go into deep space and come back.
02:25:56.000 The only time they came back was during the moon landings in the 60s when they were lying about everything.
02:26:01.000 The thing is, Nixon was president back then.
02:26:04.000 It's so romantic to think that they faked it.
02:26:10.000 Also, here's another reason.
02:26:11.000 If you watch the post-flight press conference, and again, I'm not saying that this is actually what's happening, but it seems completely like they're full of shit.
02:26:23.000 When they come back, it seems like they're lying and they're nervous, and they ask them about the stars.
02:26:29.000 And again, I'm not on the camp that they faked it, but there was Buzz Aldrin, Neil Armstrong, and Michael Collins.
02:26:41.000 And Michael Collins, they asked him about stars.
02:26:44.000 And in the press conference, he's like, I don't recall seeing any stars.
02:26:48.000 Problem with that is Michael Collins never left the lunar module.
02:26:52.000 He wasn't supposed to be one of the guys that was on the surface of the moon.
02:26:55.000 He was up in the craft that was circling in orbit around the moon.
02:27:00.000 And then later, when he wrote a book about it, he talked about how magnificent the stars looked.
02:27:06.000 So he has inconsistencies.
02:27:08.000 So the hoax people point to that.
02:27:11.000 They also point to the inconsistencies of the actual movement of the astronauts on the moon.
02:27:17.000 Like there's videos that make it look like they were on wires.
02:27:21.000 There's videos that fall down.
02:27:22.000 Yeah, it's like the back of his suit is being pulled by something.
02:27:26.000 It's weird.
02:27:26.000 But again, when was the last time you saw someone in 1-6 Earth's gravity?
02:27:30.000 Maybe things just look weird.
02:27:32.000 But there's a video of them where it looks like they're on trampolines, which is very strange.
02:27:36.000 They're bouncing around on the surface of the moon, and you can't see their feet.
02:27:40.000 They're hidden behind equipment, and they're just bouncing up in the air.
02:27:44.000 It's fun.
02:27:45.000 It's fun to think that Kubrick faked it all.
02:27:48.000 It is, I remember, because I quit drinking, God, 30 years ago or something, and I quit smoking pot for 20 years, and then I guess 20 years later, I got high in Nebraska.
02:28:02.000 My friend Ross Broccoli is his name, and he's a conspiracy theorist, drug head, who's a farmer, and he sat me down in front of a computer, and he got me high and showed me all this moon stuff.
02:28:14.000 Pretty much everything you just said, he just kept showing me clips after clip.
02:28:19.000 And I didn't fucking sleep that night.
02:28:21.000 I was just laying in bed going like, this is crazy.
02:28:26.000 It's on TikTok now.
02:28:28.000 There's a resurgence in moon hoax, moon landing hoax talk because of the kids.
02:28:34.000 Kids are watching TikTok videos because it's real clear, like 30 second bursts where they get to see some wild shit that looks like they didn't really land on the moon.
02:28:44.000 Yeah.
02:28:45.000 But it would be a fun thing to think that the government pulled the wool over everybody's eyes like that.
02:28:51.000 Because also, when you look at the first Apollo 11, the first time guys landed on the moon, that was one of the first times that they didn't get a live feed.
02:28:59.000 They forced the news cameras to film, to point their cameras at a projection screen.
02:29:06.000 And they got the video from that of these guys bouncing around on the moon.
02:29:13.000 It's very weird.
02:29:14.000 Yeah.
02:29:14.000 It would be hilarious if it was faked.
02:29:17.000 It really would be so appropriate when you think about how strange our culture is and how strange our relationship with the truth is when it comes to our politicians and so many things.
02:29:31.000 Also, one of the weirder things about the moon hoax, see if you can find this quote.
02:29:35.000 It's from Bill Clinton's book.
02:29:38.000 He's got this book, I think it's called My Life.
02:29:43.000 And he talks about how when he was young, he was working on a construction site.
02:29:48.000 And it was at the time where the Apollo 11 flight took place.
02:29:53.000 And he was saying, isn't it incredible that people landed on the moon?
02:29:56.000 And he worked with this old carpenter.
02:29:58.000 And I'm paraphrasing this.
02:30:00.000 I'm not exactly sure.
02:30:02.000 Maybe we could find it.
02:30:04.000 Does it say here?
02:30:05.000 My life.
02:30:05.000 Yeah, there it goes.
02:30:06.000 He goes, just a month before, Apollo 11 astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong had left their colleague Michael Collins aboard spaceship Columbia and walked on the moon.
02:30:16.000 The old carpenter asked me if I really believed it happened.
02:30:19.000 I said, sure, I saw it on television.
02:30:21.000 He disagreed and he said that he didn't believe it for a minute that them television fellers could make things look real that weren't.
02:30:28.000 Back then, I thought he was a crank.
02:30:30.000 During my eight years in Washington, I saw some things on TV that made me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time.
02:30:38.000 That's a crazy thing for a president to say in a book about his life.
02:30:43.000 Not, for sure we went to the moon.
02:30:45.000 He didn't say any of those things.
02:30:47.000 He said, I saw some things on TV that made me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time.
02:30:54.000 So he's literally talking about the moon.
02:30:57.000 Well, look at all the information that's coming out now about UFOs.
02:31:01.000 And didn't Obama say something to the effect of, like, he saw things when he was in office that made him question?
02:31:07.000 Well, that's a completely different thing, right?
02:31:09.000 Because then you're talking about suppression of information rather than a whole fake production.
02:31:17.000 You know, the fake production thing is really compelling.
02:31:21.000 Because this was also during the time of Operation Northwoods.
02:31:24.000 And Operation Northwoods was a plan that was hatched out by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed and vetoed by Kennedy, where they were going to hoax all these attacks in the United States to get us to go to war with Cuba.
02:31:37.000 They were going to blow up a drone jetliner.
02:31:39.000 They were going to arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay.
02:31:43.000 They had this whole production laid out.
02:31:45.000 And they were going to do this to try to get us to go into war with Cuba.
02:31:49.000 And then you go back to the Gulf of Tonkin incident where they pretended that we got attacked.
02:31:54.000 And they had this whole thing that led us into Vietnam.
02:31:57.000 It was a fake attack.
02:31:58.000 So they were used to doing fake shit during the same era that they supposedly faked the moon landing.
02:32:04.000 And again, I'm not saying they faked the moon landing.
02:32:05.000 Because I did say they faked the moon landing for years.
02:32:07.000 I argued vehemently.
02:32:09.000 I was even on Penn Jillette's show and I argued with this astronomer.
02:32:14.000 And I actually had some fucking pretty decent points, unfortunately.
02:32:20.000 That's great!
02:32:21.000 Because, like, Werner von Braun, the guy who was the head of NASA, was a Nazi.
02:32:28.000 Like, a real legitimate Nazi.
02:32:30.000 He was taken from when the United States won World War II. They took a bunch of Nazi scientists, because they were very advanced, and they brought them over and hired them for NASA. It was called Operation Paperclip.
02:32:44.000 It's all well documented.
02:32:45.000 And Werner von Braun was one of those Nazis.
02:32:48.000 He was a legit Nazi, to the point where the Simon Wiesenthal Center said that if he was alive today, they would prosecute him for crimes against humanity.
02:32:55.000 He would hang the five slowest Jews in front of his rocket factory in Berlin to force people to work faster.
02:33:01.000 Wow.
02:33:02.000 He was an evil fuck.
02:33:03.000 And he was our head of NASA. And that was the guy that we brought over to get us to the moon.
02:33:10.000 And if you pay attention to so much from that era, it makes it so desirable to think that this is what happened.
02:33:22.000 It's also the climate at that time with the Cold War, I mean, in terms of what the stakes were in their minds of the Russians coming ahead of us, it's completely believable that they would make that effort.
02:33:36.000 They did fake some stuff, too.
02:33:38.000 I'm not saying the United States did, but other people did fake some stuff back then, like the video footage of, was it Yuri Gagarin, the first guy that went into space?
02:33:46.000 I mean, I'm not saying he didn't go into space, but the footage of him going into space looks so fake.
02:33:54.000 Because if you look at the actual capsule that he was in, it was so small.
02:33:58.000 But if you look at the video footage of him in space, it looks like there's lighting in there, and it looks like the cameras, it looks like he's faking it.
02:34:06.000 It's very weird.
02:34:07.000 People have questioned, they haven't questioned whether or not he went into space.
02:34:12.000 They believe he went into space.
02:34:13.000 But the actual video footage that Russia provided to show as proof of him in that rocket, they think was pure propaganda.
02:34:21.000 Well, I guess the biggest stroke against it is the fact that how many hundreds of people would have to have shut up and been complicit in this lie.
02:34:30.000 Yeah, but back then there was no internet.
02:34:32.000 Even if you got it out, I mean...
02:34:34.000 And people were loyal to their government jobs.
02:34:36.000 They didn't talk.
02:34:38.000 Real likely the government murdered Kennedy.
02:34:41.000 Real likely.
02:34:42.000 Real likely.
02:34:43.000 Yeah.
02:34:44.000 There's definitely somebody did, and it wasn't just Lee Harvey Oswald.
02:34:48.000 I think Lee Harvey Oswald was probably in on it, too.
02:34:51.000 People want to go one or the other.
02:34:53.000 They want to go lone gunman or they want to go vast conspiracy.
02:34:56.000 Mm-hmm.
02:34:57.000 I think lone gunman...
02:34:58.000 I think Lee Harvey Oswald was a patsy.
02:35:00.000 Like, he said that when they got him.
02:35:02.000 You know, he's like, I'm just a patsy.
02:35:04.000 I think they were probably trying to pin it on him, but I bet he was probably involved as well.
02:35:09.000 I think they had it set...
02:35:11.000 I think he was an idiot, and they had him set up.
02:35:14.000 He had gone back and forth to Russia multiple times.
02:35:16.000 Right.
02:35:17.000 Had married a Russian woman.
02:35:18.000 Like, he probably was intelligence.
02:35:20.000 It was probably a guy that they had...
02:35:23.000 Just like this fucking Governor Whitmer thing in Michigan.
02:35:27.000 You know this whole thing?
02:35:28.000 Yeah.
02:35:29.000 There's a plot to kidnap the governor.
02:35:31.000 And it was like, oh my god, these white supremacists, these Trump supporters.
02:35:35.000 Turns out 12 of them were FBI informants.
02:35:39.000 12 of them.
02:35:40.000 Six defendants, 12 feds.
02:35:42.000 So literally, the feds organized it?
02:35:46.000 They planned it.
02:35:47.000 They acted it out.
02:35:49.000 They did all of the plotting and the planning and brought over some fucking idiots.
02:35:53.000 And then they said, look at this plot we stopped.
02:35:56.000 Bitch, you started it.
02:35:57.000 No shit.
02:35:58.000 Yes.
02:35:58.000 So it was a giant entrapment scheme.
02:36:00.000 Exactly.
02:36:01.000 And they've been doing that forever.
02:36:03.000 They've been doing that forever.
02:36:04.000 Who's to say they didn't do that with Lee Harvey Oswald?
02:36:07.000 It's probably what they did.
02:36:08.000 Yeah.
02:36:09.000 Tom O'Neill needs to look into it.
02:36:11.000 Oh my god, he's the best.
02:36:12.000 Yeah.
02:36:12.000 I'm so glad.
02:36:14.000 Everybody, if you know, Greg is the one who told me about Tom O'Neill, the author of Chaos.
02:36:21.000 He was my...
02:36:22.000 One of my favorite podcasts of all time.
02:36:24.000 No shit.
02:36:25.000 Oh my god.
02:36:25.000 Wow.
02:36:26.000 It was incredible.
02:36:27.000 Yeah, he's a guy who's, you know, he was my neighbor in Little Italy for years.
02:36:32.000 He lived next door to me, and I knew him way before he started writing this book.
02:36:36.000 Not way before, but I knew him for five or six years before he went completely insane and chased down this story.
02:36:44.000 And the thing that people don't realize about when they think that, oh, he wrote a book for 20 years.
02:36:49.000 Yeah, I've been working on a novel for 20 years.
02:36:51.000 No.
02:36:52.000 I lived next to him in Little Italy, and then I lived next to him in Venice Beach.
02:36:55.000 I walked my dog every morning, and at 8 a.m., that motherfucker was sitting at his desk, typing.
02:37:01.000 And if he wasn't there, he was in a car that I gave him.
02:37:04.000 I gave him a fucking Volvo 240DL that was dead.
02:37:07.000 I was like, I can junk it or give it to you.
02:37:10.000 He would drive it into the desert for days and talk to these guys that were like X... LAPD that knew shit that were on their deathbeds that were finally willing to talk about how much cover-up was going on with the Manson case.
02:37:24.000 Yeah.
02:37:24.000 He was on it like a fucking dog on a bone for 20 years.
02:37:30.000 And the result is incredible.
02:37:32.000 The CIA had...
02:37:35.000 This is documented without a doubt.
02:37:38.000 They had studies that they were doing with LSD. And they were doing them in prisons.
02:37:43.000 They were doing them in brothels.
02:37:45.000 It was a thing called Operation Midnight Climax.
02:37:47.000 They did it in brothels.
02:37:48.000 It was MKUltra.
02:37:50.000 They did all these experiments with people, including Jack Ruby, the guy who killed Lee Harvey Oswald.
02:37:56.000 That guy...
02:37:59.000 Jolly West?
02:38:00.000 Is that his name?
02:38:01.000 Yeah.
02:38:02.000 That guy went to visit Jack Ruby in jail, and Jack Ruby became completely insane after that guy visited him.
02:38:08.000 And there was no reason why Jolly West would be allowed in that fucking jail cell with him.
02:38:14.000 There was no protocol that would allow that guy in his position to visit a prisoner of that stature at that time.
02:38:21.000 And that was the guy in the CIA that was running the LSD program.
02:38:25.000 And he went to visit him, and then after he met him, after he talked to him, Jack Ruby went completely fucking insane.
02:38:31.000 So if you're going to have a guy, and you're going to have a guy kill Lee Harvey Oswald for you, and you're saying, listen, man, don't worry about it.
02:38:37.000 You're going to do this.
02:38:38.000 We're going to get you off.
02:38:39.000 Don't worry.
02:38:39.000 And then right after he does it, you dose the fuck out of that guy with acid and loses his mind.
02:38:45.000 Loses his mind.
02:38:46.000 Yeah.
02:38:47.000 And like completely went insane.
02:38:48.000 They knew what they were doing, man.
02:38:50.000 Yeah.
02:38:51.000 They ran that whole fucking free clinic in Haight-Ashbury where they were giving LSD to Manson and all the fucking family members.
02:39:00.000 That place was running for decades until Tom's book come out.
02:39:04.000 When Tom's book came out, three months later, they closed that place down.
02:39:08.000 Yep.
02:39:09.000 Like, yep.
02:39:10.000 Our work here is done.
02:39:11.000 Pull up the fucking stakes.
02:39:12.000 Let's get this tent out of town.
02:39:14.000 Yeah.
02:39:14.000 Yeah.
02:39:15.000 My wife's mom went to that clinic.
02:39:17.000 No shit.
02:39:18.000 Yeah.
02:39:18.000 She lived in Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco.
02:39:20.000 She remembers that clinic.
02:39:22.000 It was like a real legit clinic.
02:39:23.000 Wow.
02:39:24.000 Yeah.
02:39:24.000 And they were dosing people out of that clinic.
02:39:27.000 Yeah.
02:39:27.000 And they were providing Manson with LSD and then they were getting Manson off every time he got arrested.
02:39:33.000 Yeah.
02:39:34.000 So he got arrested multiple times.
02:39:35.000 In multiple states.
02:39:37.000 Yes.
02:39:37.000 It was national.
02:39:37.000 Yes.
02:39:38.000 It wasn't one local guy.
02:39:39.000 And all the sheriffs said the same thing.
02:39:41.000 It's above my pay grade.
02:39:42.000 I had to let them go.
02:39:44.000 Yeah.
02:39:44.000 It's wild.
02:39:45.000 It's wild.
02:39:46.000 And you don't realize how wild it is until you get into Tom's book.
02:39:49.000 It's one of the best books I've ever read and one of the best podcasts I ever did.
02:39:52.000 And it was all because of you.
02:39:53.000 You've never suggested anybody for a podcast before.
02:39:57.000 No.
02:39:58.000 And you said, dude, you've got to have this guy.
02:40:00.000 Right, right.
02:40:00.000 And young Jamie had listened to it.
02:40:04.000 Yeah, I mean, it's the kind of thing where there's a second book in there.
02:40:09.000 He initially got a deal to put the book out, and he took so long to put it out that they sued him to get the money back.
02:40:17.000 And it was a lot of fucking money.
02:40:19.000 And so all of a sudden, Tom was like teaching English as a second language in a community college.
02:40:23.000 He was Uber driving, but he kept writing it.
02:40:27.000 Even though the money was gone, he kept writing it.
02:40:29.000 And then all of a sudden, he got interest, but they said, if we're going to give you a deal again, we're going to give you a co-writer.
02:40:36.000 And I'm remiss in saying the guy's name, but he paired them up, and in one year, they took thousands of pages, and they collated it into one book.
02:40:47.000 Oh, Dan Piperbring.
02:40:51.000 Piperbring.
02:40:51.000 Piperbring.
02:40:53.000 Dan, change your name.
02:40:54.000 That's a ridiculous name.
02:40:55.000 But they had to get rid of so much.
02:40:58.000 There's another book in there.
02:40:59.000 And I think there's, I can't announce it, but there is talks right now about television or film happening.
02:41:06.000 They absolutely should do something.
02:41:09.000 But it should be a series of movies.
02:41:11.000 Like a Netflix sort of deal.
02:41:13.000 Docu-series.
02:41:14.000 Yeah, it can't just be one.
02:41:15.000 It's too complex.
02:41:17.000 Well, because it has to not only involve the Manson findings, it has to also involve Tom's journey.
02:41:22.000 Yes.
02:41:23.000 And how many people lied to him and how many people shut him down and he just kept coming at them.
02:41:29.000 And then the prosecuting attorney who was out of his fucking mind, the prosecutor rather, what was the guy's name?
02:41:34.000 Bugliosi?
02:41:34.000 Yes, who was out of his fucking mind.
02:41:37.000 Thought his wife was having an affair with the milkman and tortured the guy.
02:41:40.000 Tortured the guy.
02:41:41.000 Yeah.
02:41:41.000 It's a crazy fucking story.
02:41:43.000 Right.
02:41:44.000 It's an amazing story.
02:41:45.000 And Tom is so good at telling it, too.
02:41:48.000 Having him on, I was fucking riveted.
02:41:50.000 Yeah.
02:41:50.000 And then I had already gone through the book before I had him on.
02:41:54.000 So having him on and knowing all the shit that was in the book, it's wild, man.
02:41:59.000 It is so wild.
02:42:01.000 And that's the same time period, man.
02:42:03.000 The same time period of full deception.
02:42:06.000 Yeah.
02:42:06.000 I mean, the government was involved in so much deception back then.
02:42:10.000 Intel Pro, right?
02:42:10.000 Is that what it was?
02:42:11.000 Yeah.
02:42:11.000 Co-Intel Pro.
02:42:11.000 Co-Intel Pro?
02:42:12.000 Yeah.
02:42:13.000 I mean, Operation Midnight Climax was a part of this MKUltra program, too, where they would go to brothels, and they'd have two-way mirrors, and these prostitutes would sit down with these guys who thought they were just going to get sex, and, you want a drink?
02:42:25.000 Have a drink.
02:42:26.000 And they'd give them a drink, and then...
02:42:27.000 Didn't a guy jump out of a window or something?
02:42:31.000 I'm sure.
02:42:32.000 Yeah.
02:42:33.000 I don't remember, but I'm sure.
02:42:34.000 I'm sure.
02:42:35.000 People kill themselves all the time when they get dosed up like that, you know?
02:42:38.000 That's a crazy thing they were doing back then, man.
02:42:42.000 Really crazy.
02:42:43.000 And the fact that he found all the documents that supported this, all the evidence that the CIA had done all this stuff, all the MKUltra shit.
02:42:50.000 Yeah.
02:42:51.000 And it all disappeared.
02:42:53.000 All the paperwork from all those years of that program just disappeared.
02:42:57.000 It's crazy.
02:42:58.000 Yeah.
02:42:59.000 That's our government.
02:43:00.000 Yep.
02:43:01.000 Just trying to keep us safe.
02:43:02.000 Mm-hmm.
02:43:04.000 You're here to keep them honest, though, Joe.
02:43:07.000 Well, not me.
02:43:09.000 Tom.
02:43:10.000 I know, but you highlight people like him, these voices of people that are challenging stuff.
02:43:15.000 Well, it's important for people to know that what you see on the news is a show and that what's going on behind the scenes is real complex and has been going on for decades and decades and decades without any oversight,
02:43:32.000 without any supervision.
02:43:34.000 And there are people like that Jolly West guy, like those people that are running MKUltra, like the people that ran Operation Midnight Climax.
02:43:41.000 They were doing that shit for years with impunity.
02:43:45.000 They could do whatever they wanted.
02:43:46.000 And they were taking a guy like Charles fucking Manson.
02:43:50.000 They treated him with LSD in prison.
02:43:54.000 They got him out and supplied him with LSD and taught him how to turn people into killers.
02:44:01.000 Taught him how to get people to do whatever the fuck you want them to do.
02:44:05.000 And Manson was pretending he was doing acid with them and they were all tripping out and Manson was like steering them and leading them and molding them.
02:44:13.000 It's wild shit.
02:44:14.000 And there was a murder before the Manson murders that they covered up, that they knew about, and they knew Manson was connected to it.
02:44:21.000 Yeah.
02:44:22.000 Folks, get it.
02:44:24.000 Get the book.
02:44:24.000 It's really good.
02:44:25.000 Or listen to the audio tape.
02:44:26.000 The audio tape is fucking amazing, too.
02:44:27.000 The audio book.
02:44:28.000 Yeah.
02:44:28.000 Did you hear any of this?
02:44:30.000 By Whitey Bulger being involved in that too?
02:44:32.000 No!
02:44:33.000 Was Whitey Bulger's murderous life down to LSD testing by the CIA? No shit.
02:44:39.000 Wow.
02:44:40.000 Notorious Boston criminal Whitey Bulger may have been driven to murder by LSD experimentation in the 1950s, according to one of the jurors who convicted him.
02:44:49.000 Wow.
02:44:50.000 The article said that in the trial for him that when he was in Atlanta, he had been given it over 50 times.
02:44:58.000 Whoa.
02:44:59.000 During the same time period.
02:45:00.000 So I don't know if Jolly West was talking to Whitey Bulger too or what.
02:45:05.000 What?
02:45:05.000 Wow.
02:45:06.000 Well, that made sense because he was an informant.
02:45:09.000 Yeah.
02:45:09.000 Whitey Bulger was an informant while he was murdering people, which is crazy shit.
02:45:14.000 Yeah.
02:45:14.000 Yeah.
02:45:15.000 You know, Dana White, the president of the UFC, he had to leave Boston because Whitey Bulger's thugs were trying to muscle money out of him.
02:45:23.000 No shit.
02:45:24.000 That's when he went to Vegas.
02:45:25.000 Wow.
02:45:26.000 Yeah.
02:45:27.000 That guy was running organized crime in Boston.
02:45:30.000 One of my students was a hitman for Whitey Bulger.
02:45:34.000 Really?
02:45:34.000 When I was teaching Taekwondo.
02:45:35.000 So you trained a hitman, basically.
02:45:38.000 Yes!
02:45:39.000 Yeah.
02:45:40.000 I remember he asked me, he goes, if you're going to kill somebody, where would you hit him?
02:45:44.000 What's the best place to hit someone if you're going to kill him?
02:45:46.000 I go, the neck?
02:45:48.000 I go, probably the neck?
02:45:49.000 He's like, yeah, I think so, the neck.
02:45:51.000 I was like, oh.
02:45:55.000 This is a guy that I didn't realize at the time.
02:45:58.000 He wound up being a fucking hitman.
02:46:01.000 Wow.
02:46:01.000 Yeah.
02:46:02.000 Did you keep in touch with him?
02:46:03.000 No, but he kept coming to classes.
02:46:06.000 He would train.
02:46:07.000 He was fucking serious, too.
02:46:08.000 He was very intense.
02:46:10.000 He wasn't a very flexible guy.
02:46:13.000 He wasn't the best athlete, but you could tell.
02:46:15.000 He was training with an intensity, like a guy who was probably going to use this.
02:46:21.000 What was his background?
02:46:23.000 I don't know.
02:46:23.000 I mean, it was some kind of a fucking criminal.
02:46:25.000 Yeah.
02:46:25.000 But he wound up going to jail.
02:46:27.000 He did.
02:46:27.000 I remember that.
02:46:27.000 Oh, yeah.
02:46:28.000 Yeah, he got arrested.
02:46:29.000 Yeah.
02:46:29.000 I don't know exactly what it was for, but I think it was for murder.
02:46:33.000 Shit.
02:46:33.000 But I know he was a hitman.
02:46:35.000 Yeah.
02:46:35.000 Yeah.
02:46:36.000 I mean, he just wanted to learn hand-to-hand combat while he was fucking shooting and stabbing people.
02:46:41.000 Wow.
02:46:42.000 Do you remember...
02:46:44.000 Warren McDonald's brother?
02:46:46.000 George.
02:46:47.000 The other brother, Kevin.
02:46:49.000 Oh, right.
02:46:49.000 Kevin went to jail, too.
02:46:51.000 Yeah, that's right.
02:46:52.000 He was a part of that whole thing.
02:46:54.000 Uh-huh.
02:46:55.000 There was a lot of organized crime going on.
02:46:57.000 Yeah, my friend Mary, her dad was a bookie for Whitey Bollinger for all those years.
02:47:02.000 Uh-oh.
02:47:03.000 Yeah.
02:47:03.000 We stayed on the right side of him, though.
02:47:05.000 It's so wild that it was all connected, that it might have all been connected to LSD and the CIA and the FBI. Looking through a different article in the Boston Globe, there's another attorney that says he would have used that for a defense for Bulger if they'd have known it,
02:47:20.000 but it came out later in letters he was writing to this juror.
02:47:24.000 So maybe that means it's not necessarily true, but...
02:47:26.000 Maybe it means it is true.
02:47:27.000 I know.
02:47:27.000 That's what he said.
02:47:28.000 When he was in his first stint in jail in Atlanta, he was given it.
02:47:33.000 So maybe it was like the same thing they would do with other prisoners.
02:47:35.000 I think they probably did that with a lot of prisoners.
02:47:37.000 They did it with Manson.
02:47:38.000 Why would we ever believe that they only did it to Manson?
02:47:42.000 Especially if you get some fucking murderous, organized crime leader, and you got him in jail, and you know he's some piece of shit killer.
02:47:49.000 Yeah.
02:47:49.000 And you're like, let's see what happens.
02:47:51.000 Well, didn't it start over in Vietnam?
02:47:55.000 They were using it to depro...
02:47:57.000 I think there were prisoners of war that had come back.
02:48:01.000 Maybe it was from the Korean War, actually.
02:48:03.000 Yeah, it was the Korean War.
02:48:04.000 And they had come back, and I think they were deprogramming them from...
02:48:08.000 They had been brainwashed by the Koreans to give false statements to the press.
02:48:15.000 Talking about the U.S. Really?
02:48:19.000 There it is.
02:48:21.000 Brainwashed.
02:48:21.000 New book on interrogation during the Korean War sheds light on how the 20th century imagined prisoners of war.
02:48:28.000 Wow.
02:48:29.000 Yeah, so they used that same methodology, and the FBI said, well, we can create war machines.
02:48:37.000 We can use LSD and these techniques to create soldiers that'll do exactly what they're told and have no conscience.
02:48:44.000 Well, Greg, we cracked it.
02:48:46.000 They faked the moon landing.
02:48:47.000 We did it!
02:48:47.000 They faked the moon landing.
02:48:49.000 They created Whitey Bulger and Manson.
02:48:53.000 That's our government.
02:48:54.000 Cheers.
02:48:55.000 Tom O'Neil's going to write a new book about all of it.
02:48:57.000 Yeah.
02:48:57.000 Well, I do really hope that they do some sort of a Netflix series.
02:49:01.000 I think that would be fucking amazing.
02:49:03.000 Let's bring this home, young Greg Fitzsimmons.
02:49:05.000 Can I give you some dates?
02:49:06.000 Yeah, please do.
02:49:06.000 All right, I'm going to be coming to you people August 6th and 7th.
02:49:10.000 I will be at Bananas in Rutherford, New Jersey.
02:49:14.000 And then I'm going to be coming to, I mentioned Golden, Colorado.
02:49:18.000 After that, Grand Rapids, Michigan, August 19th through 21. There it is, it's up on the scene.
02:49:24.000 Oh, there we go.
02:49:25.000 That's much easier.
02:49:26.000 Punchline in Sacramento.
02:49:27.000 Great fucking club.
02:49:29.000 September 16th through 18th.
02:49:31.000 Yeah.
02:49:31.000 I fucking love that place.
02:49:32.000 That Punchline in Sacramento is classic.
02:49:35.000 Yeah.
02:49:35.000 Classic place.
02:49:36.000 Yeah, it's fun.
02:49:38.000 Go see Greg.
02:49:39.000 He's fucking hilarious.
02:49:40.000 Sunday Papers is the podcast with Mike Gibbons every Sunday.
02:49:43.000 We rip through the Sunday Papers section by section.
02:49:46.000 It's blowing up.
02:49:47.000 It's getting big.
02:49:47.000 Nice.
02:49:48.000 Yeah.
02:49:48.000 It's funny.
02:49:49.000 Oh, thanks, man.
02:49:50.000 I watch a bunch of clips.
02:49:50.000 You and Mike together are great, too, because you're such good friends.
02:49:53.000 Yeah.
02:49:53.000 It's very funny.
02:49:54.000 Yeah, it's great.
02:49:54.000 We have a blast.
02:49:55.000 And then Fitz Dog Radio and Childish, my other two podcasts.
02:49:59.000 All right.
02:50:00.000 Staying busy.
02:50:01.000 Staying busy.
02:50:01.000 Yeah.
02:50:02.000 That's it.
02:50:04.000 Goodbye, everybody.
02:50:05.000 God bless.
02:50:05.000 God bless.
02:50:07.000 Praise Odin.