In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, I sit down with comedian, writer, and podcaster Patrick Downey to talk about his new show, The Joe Rogans Experience, and why he thinks AOC is going to be the next president of the United States. We talk about what it means to be a socialist, why AOC should be our next president, and how to deal with the fact that we have no idea what we should do with our money. I also talk about why we should all be paying taxes on the wealthy and why we need to have a progressive government. You can find the full episode on the website here. Thanks for listening and Good Luck Out There! -Joe Rogan and Good Morning America Subscribe to the show on iTunes and leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts and other podcasting platforms. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and tell a friend about what you think of the show. It helps us spread the word to the world about what we're doing! and we'll make sure to keep coming back for more episodes like this and other great shows like it! Thanks again for listening! -Your continued support is so appreciated and appreciated by us! Timestamps: 0:00 - What do you think about AOC? 5:30 - What are your thoughts on AOC's chances of becoming president? 6:15 - What does AOC s chances of being the next President? 7:00 8: Is she a socialist? 9:10 - What would you'd like to see a socialist leader? 11:00: Is AOC a good idea? 13:00 | What are the chances of a socialist person? 16:00 -- What are you think AOC would be a good presidential candidate? 17:30 -- What does she have a chance of being a good president? 18:40 -- Is she going to win a good chance of winning the next election? 19:30 22: What would AOC better than that? 21: What s the best thing? 24:30 | What s a socialist party? 26:00 Is she better than the next generation? 27:40 - Is she gonna be a revolutionary? 25:00 Are you a good person? 27:00 Should AOC an American woman? 28:40
00:00:57.000It's an important thing for young people in particular to see coming up that you can be a person of character and discipline and you can get far in this business with drive and you can get far in life with drive in all businesses, really.
00:01:20.000There's still the same characteristics that make up a human being still exist, but there's pathways for excuses that exist today that didn't exist before.
00:01:33.000You can have—there's credit in victimhood, social credit in, you know, well, I didn't get a break, or I didn't get this, or these rich people have that, or these successful people have all the breaks.
00:01:45.000And there's a lot of clout in actually being a person who has been either denied or— Pathways are unavailable to them, so they get to bitch about it and complain about it.
00:01:59.000There's a sense of, instead of dealing with the hand that you've gotten and trying to move forward in a positive way and trying to do your best with what you got, because everybody has a different starting point in life.
00:02:12.000Life is not fair in terms of- No question.
00:02:15.000But some people look at what they got, and they go, okay, this is what we got.
00:03:07.000That kind of leftist thinking is very common in universities, and the idea is that it hasn't been done right.
00:03:14.000And what you could say that would argue for that is like, well, democracy, you know, I mean, obviously the Greeks had democracy and the Romans had democracy, but it eventually fell and turned into a dictatorship, right?
00:03:29.000America was the first legitimate democracy that actually succeeded and still exists currently, right?
00:03:37.000We were the first that, like, sort of got it right.
00:03:40.000Maybe this could be the first socialist government that works.
00:04:40.000If you're a person that pays attention to politics, you already see that she's sort of compromising her opposition to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and the people that are at the head of the party.
00:05:44.000I think it's compromised once you get in there and you realize, first of all, all these ideals that you have, if you really did have those ideals, if those were real and they were not just political talking points that allowed people to love him, if you really did have those ideals, once you get in there and you find out, Mr. President,
00:06:01.000We're going to tell you how fucked the world really is.
00:06:03.000And they read to you all the things that are going on in the world, all the different operations that are currently Being underway.
00:06:11.000You get to see all the threats from around the globe.
00:06:13.000What do you think changes people more?
00:06:16.000You think it's more a guy who grows up with, let's just say, not money, but he's popular and he likes power and then eventually he has certain values and principles he lives by.
00:06:30.000Then a guy with money comes and tries to buy him.
00:06:41.000And then later on, a person comes in and says, I'm going to give you the most powerful position out there, but I want you to change your way of thinking.
00:06:48.000Which one do you think is more likely to change?
00:06:51.000I don't know if that makes sense or not.
00:06:52.000So for example, think about Ronald Reagan.
00:06:54.000Ronald Reagan or John F. Kennedy or a Lincoln, let's just say, or a Trump, right?
00:07:00.000One thing those, say, the three have in common, I don't know about Lincoln, but the three have in common, Reagan, John F. Kennedy, and Trump.
00:07:08.000It's not like they were struggling with women or money, right?
00:07:10.000Reagan, you know, Mary Jane Wyman, John F. Kennedy, I think at the end of the day was with, what, three or four women in his lifetime, whatever the number is.
00:09:00.000I think you need intelligence agencies.
00:09:03.000I think it's a controversial opinion, too.
00:09:05.000I think you need people around the world that are monitoring terrorist cells, that are paying attention to rogue states, that are paying attention to dangerous places like China.
00:09:36.000There's some terrible places in this world and you gotta pay attention to all that and you have to have contingency plans and you have to have preparation.
00:12:17.000If you're going to have a popularity contest every four years, How much can you tell that person?
00:12:24.000I would imagine it would take a long time to get the trust of the people that are in the highest of high positions, the people in the smoky rooms that Bill Hicks talked about.
00:12:41.000I tell you what, I would tell everybody.
00:12:43.000He would host a dinner, half a million dollars, tonight I'm revealing the first alien.
00:12:46.000I'm going to take that back, because if someone really did take me there and said, I'll show you but you can't tell anybody, I think I'd keep my mouth shut.
00:13:07.000At least I know and I can operate as I know.
00:13:11.000So I might not be able to tell people But at least I can operate from the position that I know for a fact there is life somewhere else, whether it's from another dimension, whether it's from another galaxy.
00:13:57.000If you're contacting a general of an opposing army and you're saying, I'm worried that our leader might do something, so I'm going to consult with you rather than consult with him.
00:14:09.000I think what you're kind of saying is you don't respect the commander-in-chief of the army.
00:16:07.000Bernie Sanders would have been a tough sell because so many people equate him with communism.
00:16:11.000You know, even though he's a, what he would call a democratic socialist and his plan to implement taxes.
00:16:17.000It's really, what his big plan was, was a very small percentage of trades, like, you know, these speculations that stock market, stock brokers do.
00:16:30.000This very small percentage, less than a penny per trade, and that it was all gonna, you know, Equate to a large amount of money.
00:19:05.000This rejection of anything that's on the right that's strong and that has these views that are in opposition of a lot of what's going on right now in this country in terms of giving away power to the state.
00:19:24.000Which is, for some strange reason, the left in this country over the last year and a half, two years during the pandemic, has decided that they trust the state and they're willing to give up power to the state and willing to give up power to pharmaceutical companies and allow things to happen that they would have never allowed to happen in the past.
00:19:45.000I think a lot of that is because of this opposition to Trump.
00:19:49.000And their opposition to Trump, I think, made them crazy.
00:19:53.000It made the polarization of this country so much more extreme than we've ever seen it before.
00:20:37.000I don't want to see that kind of nonsense talk.
00:20:39.000And then when he would give these speeches, like, you know, talking about corn pop and how he's got hairy legs, and you're like, what the fuck is he doing?
00:20:46.000Oh, I mean, that was just, I thought it was done after that, hairy inside my inner thighs.
00:23:20.000I don't know what the right way to handle it.
00:23:21.000What do you think the right way to handle it?
00:23:22.000I think the biggest thing is sequencing.
00:23:24.000I think the real challenge was sequencing.
00:23:27.000So, you know, game of chess, or if you play backgammon, or if you do anything, there's a certain sequence you go by, right?
00:23:32.000Maybe, you know, the same five moves one can make, Move number five, they made one, which was supposed to be move number five, but they made it first.
00:23:43.000So two people can do the same exact five things, but in different sequence, get different results.
00:23:49.000So I just don't think the right sequence was used.
00:23:53.000In regards to the threat, there's a big difference, Joe.
00:23:57.000If you go to a bar and somebody says something to your family and you tell the guy, say one more thing to my family, I'm going to destroy you.
00:24:47.000I think it would have been dramatic difference of Trump's handling versus Biden's handling.
00:24:51.000Well, I definitely think that Trump would have been more likely to follow up on a threat, right?
00:24:57.000But Biden did launch a drone strike in Kabul that wound up killing an innocent person, wound up killing someone who was delivering water to school children, and it killed this man, and it killed a bunch of kids.
00:25:11.000And I say Biden did, it's not like Biden pushed the button, but he did give the orders.
00:25:17.000The drone strike thing is A really scary part of military encounters because the amount of people that die that are innocent is off the fucking charts.
00:25:28.000I mean, I believe during the Obama administration, it was in the high 80%.
00:25:33.000And I think the drone strikes went up.
00:25:37.000There was even more drone strikes during the Trump administration.
00:26:16.000You know, by remote control, it's sterilized in some strange way.
00:26:20.000Rule of thumb about retaliation, no matter who the president is, if you retaliate to an enemy and you kill kids, moms, innocent people, even the side that voted for you doesn't side with you.
00:26:32.000If you retaliate and you kill innocent people, the people that voted for you don't support you.
00:26:43.000It's strange how, and that's another thing that I think that came from the Trump administration, the opposition to Trump is so strong that the support of Biden is almost absolute.
00:26:53.000Like, he has to do something unbelievably bad to get any criticism in the mainstream media, in the left-wing media.
00:27:01.000I mean, in the left-wing media is most of the media.
00:27:04.000The only media that's right-wing is Fox.
00:27:06.000He's got to do something really, really atrocious.
00:27:08.000And even then, the criticism is very mild, and they move on.
00:27:12.000Yeah, so going back to Milley, I think you were talking about Milley and then you said Trump put his hand on you at one of the UFC fights.
00:28:47.000Is there anything that's going to happen?
00:28:48.000How many times do we have to see stuff happening like that?
00:28:51.000But Alexander said a long time ago, I have met the enemy at his eye.
00:28:55.000I think the only thing that's going to take this country down is not going to be external.
00:28:59.000I think something's going to happen internal here where people like yourself were sitting out there talking to your team and one of your guys brought up Rumble or Bitchute.
00:32:35.000But just natural immunity without the middle finger, it says, posts for natural immunity have been limited because the community has reported some content that may not meet Instagram's community guidelines.
00:32:52.000They're telling you what you can look at and not look at.
00:32:54.000Just with a grain of salt, that could have been one of those hijacked hashtags by one of those bad players from another country that wants to get people talking in crazy ways.
00:33:05.000They could have paid a bunch of money to just fuck with it.
00:34:55.000There's never been anything like a YouTube before or a Twitter before or a Facebook before or Instagram that can completely control the narrative and decide, for whatever reason, decide whether or not you can use a hashtag.
00:35:09.000Decide whether or not certain subjects can be discussed.
00:35:11.000Decide whether or not accounts can be banned.
00:35:39.000Yeah, it's definitely something to think about.
00:35:42.000If you start there and look at all of them, okay, I don't think presidents have as much power as they did before, although they have power.
00:37:46.000She called out Fauci because her and Fauci worked on a project together in 1984 for AIDS and she called them out in a major way and within six days that video was taken down.
00:37:58.000Did she call him out for the use of AZT? Is that what it was about?
00:38:01.000I don't want to speculate and say yes or no.
00:38:04.000That's not one of the things she discussed?
00:38:06.000We talked specifically on AIDS where she said, even in 84, all he cared about is being a celebrity.
00:38:13.000All he cared about is being a celebrity.
00:38:59.000I think you're very important because whoever sits with you, they think they're talking to you about to agree with them and you disagree with them.
00:42:57.000I'm actually curious about being challenged in this area.
00:43:00.000I think if there's one thing, last night I was having dinner with Chaz Palminteri, you know the guy from Bronx Hill, the actor, you know who he is.
00:43:25.000So the conversation about Lincoln Project, how Bush called out Trump just last week when he talked at the 9-11 memorial, I don't know if you saw that when he kind of gave his speech, and Obama was there saying, yeah, and Democrats are behind Bush because we got a Republican guy that's going against Trump.
00:43:39.000I believe, I believe, I may be wrong, I believe Democrats are party over God and country.
00:43:49.000I believe Republicans are God and country over party.
00:44:58.000I think there's a certain amount of party loyalty that's based upon survival.
00:45:04.000It's all dependent upon what they think is necessary for this stage of the game, wherever the pieces are in play at the moment.
00:45:14.000When you've got a guy who's as polarizing as Trump, and he demands loyalty, and he's kind of the head of the Republican Party right now, you see that these people realize that the best chance for victory is to go with Trump.
00:45:28.000That's why you got guys like Marco Rubio, you got guys like Ted Cruz.
00:47:59.000What united them is they're realizing that this one incredibly polarizing figure, this alpha character, who dominated media and tricked them, really, said outrageous things like, build that wall, all that kind of shit, and they're like,
00:48:15.000And then, unfortunately for them, particularly for CNN and MSNBC, he became their vector for ratings.
00:48:23.000He became the thing that they would focus on and it generated massive amounts of income for them.
00:48:29.000So during the time when Trump was in office and they could talk shit about Trump all the time, their ratings were through the roof because all it was was them complaining about Trump.
00:48:39.000As soon as Trump's out of office, their ratings fall through the floor.
00:49:09.000It's like they're not interesting people.
00:49:12.000So what they're doing is they're saying the things that the party wants to hear, that the people on the left want to hear, particularly the people that are outraged at Trump.
00:49:22.000But what they didn't recognize is that they were giving Trump publicity.
00:49:26.000So the people that thought it was funny that Trump was saying all those things, the people that didn't like the left, they didn't like their politics, they didn't like their approach, they were happy that there was this guy who was this strong character who was pushing against them.
00:49:40.000Yeah, but do you think they're about profits over party?
00:52:33.000But here's what I think we need to do.
00:52:34.000I think we need to go find the right people to produce something here, here, here, here, here.
00:52:38.000Let's start recruiting because we need competition, okay?
00:52:41.000That doesn't put the onus on you, and I think there probably would be a way where guys would give you five or ten points on a back end because even at the back end, if you sit on a board, you don't do shit.
00:52:50.000You're talking about creating a business.
00:53:32.000I just think if there's a guy in the world that can pull the greatest minds together and challenge them to do something with some of these areas, because I do agree with you.
00:53:40.000This is a real threat with the virtual government.
00:53:41.000I think if anyone's fully qualified to do that and just hold the meeting and not do anything anymore, I think it's a man named Joe Rogan.
00:53:49.000I don't know if anybody could do anything about the amount of momentum that Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, Google, the amount of power that they have.
00:53:58.000The amount of power that they have is unprecedented.
00:54:02.000Anything short of some sort of regulation, and this is where it gets really squirrely, you're going to allow the government to regulate these companies?
00:54:09.000I think we might almost be better off allowing the companies to regulate themselves.
00:54:38.000Yeah, and as is his wife Heather They had a movement that they were trying to do called unity 2020 where they were trying to bring the best candidates from the left and the best candidates from the right and create some sort of a third-party Alternative where you could get a Tulsi Gabbard and a Dan Crenshaw together.
00:54:57.000That was the ultimate goal They were banned from Twitter for no reason For no reason.
00:55:02.000Twitter just decided they wanted Trump to win so badly that they're going to come up with excuses to ban a company or rather a group of people that decided it would be a good idea to organize people from opposing sides that have similar ideologies and morals and ethics and put them together to try to find a better alternative to the two-party system that we currently are stuck with.
00:56:14.000And what's even more disturbing to me is how people, when they agree with that narrative, don't understand where this all goes, and they're agreeing with that censorship.
00:56:27.000De-platform people that I disagree with.
00:56:29.000And they don't understand where this goes.
00:56:31.000It's like where people are saying, the people that have been vaccinated, that want a vaccine passport, yes, we should have a vaccine passport.
00:57:07.000It 100% can happen in our lifetime, because people will step with it.
00:57:12.000As long as it benefits them, and as long as it aligns with their ideology, they will ignore the dangers of a social credit system, and they will embrace it.
00:58:43.000In a state where hurricanes often strike, like Florida or the Gulf Coast or into Texas, A vital part of preparing for hurricane season is to get vaccinated now.
00:58:55.000Everything is more complicated if you're not vaccinated in a hurricane or natural disaster hits.
00:59:02.000How the hell does that make any sense though?
01:00:49.000Her cousin's testicles, yeah, in Trinidad.
01:00:52.000And people are saying, are you kidding me about these testicles?
01:00:55.000So whether these testicles are just massive or something happened to them or it was because of the vaccine, let's set that aside with the testicles.
01:01:01.000I've never heard of testicles swelling as a side effect.
01:01:23.000And she says, let me get this straight, because she put it out on Twitter that I got a call from the White House to go and have a meeting at the White House with the health secretary and, what do you call it, with Fauci, right?
01:01:37.000And she said, I would like to come, but I would like you to be live.
01:01:41.000Instead of me traveling, I'd much rather not travel, let's do a live.
01:01:44.000And they say, yeah, we don't mind doing a live, we just don't want it to be recorded.
01:01:47.000She says, no, I want it to be recorded because I want my audience to see whether this is, you know, so I'm honest with the audience.
01:01:53.000They say, well, let us think about it.
01:01:55.000She has her PR rep on it and her agent on the call, so it's not like she's by herself.
01:01:59.000Then the White House comes back and says, no, we never told you that you're going to be doing this live, right, because she tweeted us and I got a call from White House.
01:02:06.000And she says, why can't I have the choice to not do it?
01:02:16.000And you heard a couple of the folks from, I don't know what it was, when they came out and they said, who was the lady that we were talking about?
01:02:24.000She said, I got 2 million followers, girl.
01:02:25.000I'm not at your level with 22 million followers on Twitter.
01:02:45.000I may end up doing it because I have to go on tour and I have to do this part.
01:02:48.000But if you're going to a point, Joe, yourself, where you're talking about 100% this is going to happen in our generation, then I ask you, Are you okay with that?
01:02:57.000I didn't say 100% it's going to happen.
01:02:59.000I said 100% it could happen that we have a social credit score in this country.
01:03:05.000The same people that are accepting a vaccine passport, my position is I do not believe once the government has the ability to control your movement, what you do, and when you do it, if they can put limitations...
01:03:17.000On your freedom, and that is what it is, that it makes it easier to control people.
01:03:22.000Once they do that, I do not believe they're going to leave it at a vaccine passport.
01:03:52.000Well, that would be problematic, but all those things could be designed into a social credit program where you could see in a person who has poor social credit, a person who's been to jail for armed robbery,
01:04:08.000a person who owes taxes, that person would have a lower credit score and they wouldn't be allowed into certain buildings.
01:04:17.000It's having the ability to tell people what they can and can't do.
01:04:22.000Having the government, if you're a free person, I mean, you've made mistakes or you're trying to do better in your life, but you've had some horrible scenarios in your past.
01:04:35.000You're supposed to be free to try to navigate and do better in your life.
01:04:40.000If you're restricted and very clearly restricted by a set of parameters that's decided by other people that doesn't have to do with law, like it's not like you need to be locked up because you're a criminal.
01:04:52.000You have a social credit score like they're implementing in China.
01:04:55.000What it does is it keeps people scared and it keeps people in line and it's a fantastic way to control the population and that's what it's used for.
01:05:46.000Woodland Hills and Granada Hills, which is, our office was at Warner Center Marriott, right across the street from the P.F. Changs, yeah.
01:05:52.000So, okay, so you said talking about it.
01:05:54.000Joe, I'm a guy that's a business guy, and I'm a guy that's always looking at everything from the standpoint of, how can I make this better?
01:06:38.000Well, I don't know what you can do at this point.
01:06:40.000I think what we've got to do is get the people who run these social media platforms to understand the dangers of what they're involved with.
01:06:59.000He's the gentleman, H-O-B-A-C-K. He's the gentleman that produced that HBO documentary on QAnon.
01:07:08.000And one of the big parts of our conversation yesterday was discussing privacy, social media power, and how these algorithms are essentially pushing people towards division.
01:07:20.000And we talked about the movie The Social Dilemma.
01:07:24.000They really highlighted how these algorithms are polarizing people and causing this.
01:07:30.000There's a real problem with algorithms.
01:07:32.000There's a real problem that we have those.
01:07:34.000But there's also a problem with the amount of money that these social media companies have been able to generate by selling your private information, selling your data.
01:07:43.000This is where all this division is coming from.
01:07:47.000And I don't think the division would be nearly as strong if people were allowed to communicate freely and if there wasn't this sort of massive amount of income that could be derived from division, from people fighting with each other.
01:08:06.000So then, if that's the case, the question then becomes, So one, we both are on the same page, holding them accountable.
01:08:14.000If the government regulates them, that could be even more problematic because now the new administration can tell them what to and who to censor.
01:08:56.000Living a life without checking Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, Rogan, Spotify, I don't know if we can do that.
01:09:03.000So then the next part for me becomes, do you think when Dana White and the two investors, when they bought the UFC for whatever the number was, two million bucks, the guy, when they bought it, did you think they thought ever that UFC was going to get to the point of boxing,
01:10:19.000I guess where I'm going with that is the thought of many people I talk to don't think it's possible to beat a Facebook today or YouTube or Google or any of these guys.
01:10:33.000But what's the alternative if we take that mindset?
01:10:36.000If we say, yeah, you can't beat those guys.
01:10:38.000I think if today we had two YouTubes, we had two Googles, we had two Facebooks that are competing against each other, we'd probably be a little bit better off.
01:11:37.000I have to go back to the beginning and figure out what the fuck you said at first and then you worked your way into the UFC and social media and then it got to Apple and Android.
01:11:44.000To make you believe if UFC can beat, because it's two things, it's Monopoly and it's the fact that the smaller guy beat the bigger guy.
01:11:54.000I think it would be good for us if there was more social media competition.
01:12:01.000But I think there's always going to be an issue.
01:12:03.000And the issue of control is always going to be there.
01:12:09.000These companies, when you're dealing with these social media companies, there's always going to be a problem of managing at scale, right?
01:12:15.000So if you have someone like YouTube, like we've gone over this before, the numbers of hours of video that gets uploaded every day is staggering.
01:12:30.000So, all these platforms, whether it's Facebook or Twitter or Instagram, the amount of people they have using them and using them all day long is insane.
01:12:39.000I've had conversations with Jack Dorsey, both on camera and off camera.
01:12:44.000He is not a man that advocates censorship.
01:12:46.000However, he works for a company that does, and he's a CEO of a company that does, and it's a very unusual position that he's in.
01:12:52.000He's an advocate for a Wild West Twitter as well as a regular Twitter.
01:12:57.000So like a Twitter that's got some form of moderation, very heavy-handed moderation in my opinion, versus another Twitter, like a possible, like a 4chan type Twitter.
01:13:38.000Managing at scale seems like an incredibly daunting task.
01:13:42.000And they have to do it with AI. They have to do it with machine learning.
01:13:46.000I mean, there's a lot of moving pieces involved, whether it's Twitter or Instagram or Facebook or YouTube or Google or any of these platforms.
01:13:55.000They're so big and there's so many users.
01:13:58.000It creates a problem in and of itself and I think part of the censorship aspect Is just to try to manage this massive influx of data that they have to sift through all day long.
01:16:35.000I totally agree with that, that you don't.
01:16:37.000But do you think there's a part of it where if a fight were to break out, And it's a good friend of yours that calls you and, you know, I say, hey, Joe, we're going through some shit, man.
01:17:28.000First of all, they say they're going to be uncensored, and then they get compromised because people jump on board and they say a bunch of reprehensible things on those platforms, whether it's some sort of agent provocateurs, right?
01:17:40.000So you would have people from organizations that don't want that to succeed, and they would jump into that platform.
01:18:17.000I think they've done that with some of these other social media networks.
01:18:20.000I think for sure there's people that whenever you have something uncensored, like sort of a 4chan type deal, whenever you have one of those places and they're anonymous, like there was the thing we talked about yesterday with 8chan, with Colin.
01:18:33.000When you have something like that, You're going to have people that hop in and say the wildest, most fucked up things because they're bored at work and they want to press buttons.
01:18:57.000Most of the dialogue that you find on Twitter is people being angry at someone, shitting on someone, making fun of someone, talking terrible about someone.
01:19:09.000But they've eliminated the type of dialogue that you would see if you had a completely, like the fucking Hitler frogs and all that kind of stuff.
01:19:18.000They've eliminated all the incredibly offensive stuff.
01:19:23.000But meanwhile, they have hardcore porn, which is weird.
01:20:09.000He's in a weird situation where they started this thing up and no one anticipated where it was going to go.
01:20:16.000And there's parallels to that and this podcast in a lot of ways.
01:20:21.000Obviously, Twitter is much larger than this podcast, but the parallels are when I started doing this podcast, it was just me and my friends talking shit with a laptop.
01:20:31.000And then somewhere along the line, it became me interviewing presidential candidates and scientists and philosophers.
01:22:00.000If my five-year-old daughter is going through a phone and she sees someone sucking someone's dick, I'd be like, whoa, I don't think she should see that.
01:22:09.000Maybe she should not ever see Twitter?
01:22:26.000From day one, our mission has been to decrease the demand for porn through education and awareness using science facts and personal accounts.
01:22:46.000Here it says, maybe you're wondering if we agree with Twitter's policy update.
01:22:49.000If porn is so bad, negatively impacting a person's brain, chasing sexual taste to be more aggressive, harming relationships, negatively affecting mental health and more, wouldn't it be better to ban it?
01:23:01.000We are passionate about sparking new conversations and changing porn culture.
01:23:23.000I think they should apply that to everything.
01:23:24.000Look, I am a firm believer that the answer to bad speech is better speech.
01:23:29.000I think all those people that were banned, whether it's Milo Yiannopoulos or Alex Jones, or all those people should be on Twitter.
01:23:34.000I think they should be on Twitter, and if they want to get in arguments with people, and if people want to disagree with them, there should be a robust exchange of ideas.
01:23:44.000Look at the trash talking, because even some of those are good trolls and pushback.
01:23:48.000Now, if they have enemies, and they want to dox their enemies and say, hey, you know, 35 Millfield Lane, this is where Mike lives, fuck him.
01:24:09.000Yeah, well, that was the thing where Tucker stepped out ahead of it and exposed the photographer and the writer who was writing a story about him.
01:25:09.000But I don't think the common enemy was China.
01:25:11.000The common enemy was the virus, right?
01:25:12.000In the beginning, we thought that we didn't think it was coming from China like from a lab.
01:25:17.000In the beginning, most people thought it was something that got released from nature and that it was a pandemic that was just sweeping the world.
01:25:22.000It didn't take long until that one Asian doctor came out, one Chinese doctor came out who was a virologist.
01:27:40.000The 12,000 deaths that he hit, that's a much more egregious offense than doing creepy shit that politicians have been doing since the beginning of time.
01:27:48.000So you would say the biggest difference between a Cuomo and a Newsom is there is lives on...
01:27:56.000He's got blood on his hand and Newsom doesn't.
01:28:25.000But, you know, when you got the President Obama coming in, they're making videos for you and campaigning for you, and none of them are talking about your track record.
01:28:32.000They're just talking about the fact that Larry Elder could be potentially this and potentially that.
01:29:23.000I think the things that bother people the most about California are the homelessness, the traffic, The taxes and the overreach of government.
01:29:33.000All those things are not going to get better.
01:30:02.000Politically, it's very locked up in a lot of ways.
01:30:05.000People are very, I don't want to say brainwashed, but there's no better term for it.
01:30:10.000They literally have this perspective on anybody who's Republican or anybody who's right wing.
01:30:15.000They have to be a knuckle-dragging moron.
01:30:17.000I mean, they're like blue no matter who.
01:30:20.000I mean, that's just a big part of what California's all about.
01:30:23.000But the untenable things, the unchangeable things, like the homelessness situation, has gotten so out of control.
01:30:31.000And then you find out the amount of people that work On the homelessness, like how many people have a job that's involved and how much money they make.
01:30:40.000There's people that are working on homelessness in California that are making a quarter million dollars a year and nothing's changing.
01:31:48.000By the way, you know what's weird is, the first thing when Newsom won and he put a tweet out that he won, hey, let's get back to work and make it great, you know, some kind of a message like that, right?
01:32:02.000First thing I did is I went and saw the response to his tweet just to see what his supporters are saying, right?
01:32:43.000How do you live in California if you're a capitalist, free thinker, you kind of want to be left alone, and maybe you're not planning on taking a vaccine?
01:34:27.000And some things that we know to be effective are not being encouraged.
01:34:32.000There's no encouragement of vitamin supplementation, particularly vitamin D. There's no encouragement of exercise and losing weight, which is a huge factor, a huge factor in COVID morbidities or comorbidities, rather.
01:34:47.000This thing where the pharmaceutical companies are your only way out is not real.
01:36:01.000DeSantis hammered Biden administration for overhauling the distribution of monoclonal antibodies in a way that will severely hamper the treatments of availability in several Republican-controlled states.
01:36:28.000After announcing Monday that the agency would be changing how the COVID-19 treatment is distributed...
01:36:34.000Previously, distribution sites could order the antibody treatments directly from the supplier.
01:36:38.000Now, the federal government will decide how many doses each state will receive and leave it to state governments to ration it out among locations.
01:36:47.000DeSantis warned that HHS's new equitable distribution plan for monoclonal antibodies is very, very problematic and warned patients are going to suffer as a result of this.
01:37:37.000But I've felt that way before with the flu.
01:37:39.000It was just cold sweats and, you know, it wasn't good.
01:37:44.000But it wasn't the worst I've ever felt, but I'm in shape, and I work out a lot, and I eat well, and I take a lot of vitamins, and I was prepared.
01:38:07.000What are you telling your friends from New York and LA when they're calling and they're saying, hey, you know, Joe, I'm thinking about moving.
01:38:13.000I go, get out of that communist shithole.
01:39:24.000He says, look, we have a lot of people that have the vaccine and they ended up getting COVID. And we have some players that don't want to get the vaccine.
01:39:30.000And he says, so those who don't have it sometimes are staying stronger than those who have it.
01:40:07.000Michael Chandler is a UFC lightweight contender and he's in the process of this thing right now because he discussed not being able to fight in New York City.
01:40:18.000It turns out he can fight in New York City.
01:40:22.000In order to be in attendance for his fight, you have to be vaccinated, which is kind of crazy.
01:40:27.000But an athlete from out of state is allowed to compete.
01:40:30.000They can't mandate what happens to these athletes from out of state.
01:40:34.000The crazy thing is, they're not taking into consideration at all this, air quotes, hashtag, natural immunity.
01:40:42.000Meaning not that some people are just immune to the disease.
01:40:45.000But that people who have recovered from the disease have a natural immunity.
01:40:50.000They have antibodies to the disease that are 6 to 13 times better than the actual Pfizer vaccine.
01:40:56.000This is all from this study that came out of Israel.
01:40:59.000They're not taking that into consideration at all.
01:41:03.000If they said, this is a three-tiered approach.
01:41:05.000We want Say if you're going to do, like, I've got a show at Madison Square Garden, and unfortunately, everyone has to be vaccinated for my show.
01:41:20.000If you are going to do that, that doesn't mean those people are COVID-free.
01:41:23.000I have a friend who had COVID, and he gave it to 12 other people I know.
01:41:27.000He gave it to a bunch of people, and two of them, also vaccinated, wound up in the hospital.
01:41:31.000It's not a guarantee, if you're vaccinated, that you're going to not be sick, and that you're not going to be contagious.
01:41:39.000So you have this entire room of people, thousands and thousands of people that are vaccinated, which gives them a certain amount of protection, but does not eliminate the idea that they're going to be sick.
01:41:50.000Joe, are you negotiating your contract when you're saying, I'll perform, but I'm not going to take the vaccine?
01:42:40.000It's one single-minded, solitary approach.
01:42:44.000How many comedians today, and because Nicki Minaj said, she said, they're asking me to get the vaccine.
01:42:50.000She says, I'm probably going to end up getting it because to go on tour, I have to be vaccinated, is what she said on that one 14-minute live that she did.
01:43:03.000But because she's a performer, she's working with a lot of people.
01:43:06.000So in order to ensure, like say if you're in a band, like my friend is in a band, and he's on tour right now, and when he's in this band, they have a bubble.
01:43:15.000No one's allowed to go anywhere, they all get vaccinated, and everyone stays together.
01:43:20.000And so they all get tested, and they have to deal with this bubble.
01:43:24.000If I'm traveling, I travel with one or two other people.
01:44:00.000So some of these smaller comedians, one of the guys locally in Fort Lauderdale, she had this tour, like 10 cities she was going, a smaller person that's going through places.
01:44:10.000And she was asked at half of these locations to be vaccinated or else she can't perform.
01:44:15.000What happens if, like right now, Fauci said last week, I think he said, I think airlines should mandate, what do you call it, vaccination passports.
01:44:25.000That's what Fauci said like a week and a half ago.
01:44:28.000What happens if that's the direction we go?
01:44:30.000What is somebody that doesn't want to get the vaccine?
01:44:31.000Well, people are going to start taking the bus.
01:44:47.000Because, again, the vaccine passport does not take into account people that have recovered from COVID who have better immunity than people who have been vaccinated.
01:47:05.000When you look at the options that are available to people in other countries versus the options that are available for people in America, it's still a very unique place.
01:49:10.000I like people that have experienced life and people that take chances and people that don't necessarily believe that the way the world is run right now is the only way to run the world.
01:50:34.000If you lose the argument, you're fucked.
01:50:38.000I've learned from doing this podcast in particular that you're way better off being completely separate from your ideas and looking at your ideas the same way you would look at a lighter.
01:50:49.000Like, I'm not going to defend this lighter.
01:51:08.000But, you know, what you think about a thing and the way you think about an object and the way you think about an idea, that's not you.
01:51:16.000What you are is this conscious life form that's experiencing this incredibly fascinating and complex world around you.
01:51:25.000And you will cling to things, and you will think of those things as being a part of your identity, whether they're the suits you wear, or the way you talk, or the ideology that you espouse, or the diet that you have, or even the martial arts that you choose, like the fucking kind of phone you use.
01:51:41.000People will argue Android versus Apple.
01:51:44.000They don't want any friends that use Apple.
01:54:21.000But the best picture is when we took the family picture and my dad's on this side, my mom's on this side.
01:54:25.000If you can see the look on their face, I swear to God it's priceless because I'm cracking up because I know they don't want to take this picture, but it's classic.
01:54:33.000You know, the whole story behind this is the fact that, you know, Getting the right people in the room together before we make a big decision.
01:55:33.000Because I think Trump would put on a show.
01:55:36.000I think the real value with a guy like Obama is to talk to Obama one-on-one and to just have a long-form conversation with him and allow him to expand on why he did what he did, why he changed his position on whistleblowers, what it was like getting into office versus what he thought it was going to be like.
01:55:53.000What it was like when he realized that he is, in fact, in charge of this crazy country that's...
01:55:59.000In this unprecedented moment in history.
01:56:04.000If you wanted to talk to a guy like Obama, you'd want to talk to him alone.
01:56:08.000And if you wanted to talk to a guy like Trump, you'd probably want to talk to him alone too, but you'd want to wear him out first.
01:56:42.000He came over to me and Daniel Cormier went into the UFC, puts his hands on Daniel Cormier, former UFC heavyweight and light heavyweight champion.
02:00:47.000It's very weird when you watch the guy fight.
02:00:49.000But, you know, there's certain people, like the people who got a chance to watch Frazier fight Ali at their peak, I mean, you're the luckiest people alive to see that, right?
02:00:58.000The people that I got a chance to see Bird Against Magic.
02:01:55.000So you almost put him in a place where he's not accustomed to it because to him, it's kind of like, you know how you saw Jimmy Fallon or Jimmy Kimmel when they were doing their monologue when there was nobody in the audience?
02:03:57.000Like, would Trump say, do you remember that one time you dropped the mic after you said, at least I'm a president when you were doing the tweet, you know, the mean tweets, whatever?
02:04:03.000Here's the one thing I'll never, all I am, that you'll never be a president.
02:04:45.000It might be to stop the talking over, because that was one of the things that, I guess it was Chris Wallace that had to deal with, with the first Biden-Trump debate, was that Trump would just talk over him.
02:04:57.000He would just interrupt, and that was a real problem.
02:05:41.000So he's developed this sort of battleship persona that just cuts through all the bullshit and guns blazing, and that has led him to victory, right?
02:05:52.000The problem with that is it creates a lot of division, and it creates a lot of people who oppose him, who look at him like not just the opposition, but an enemy that must be defeated for the sanctity of the nation.
02:06:10.000He becomes an incredibly dangerous prospect, a dangerous Polemic, polarizing monster that has to be beaten, and that's not necessary.
02:07:23.000And extreme winners, whether it's like Michael Jordan or it's like Mike Tyson or these people, when they're in their prime, they are fucking savages.
02:07:32.000And they exist to get that W. You put them in that category.
02:09:18.000But you see, to me, I think what just happened right now, we're laughing.
02:09:22.000I think Obama and Trump are going to make us laugh.
02:09:25.000I think they're going to talk such good shit to each other that both the left and the right are going to be like, oh, frickin' this was awesome.
02:09:56.000Our moderation is just when anybody goes a little too disrespectful, we stop it.
02:10:01.000I think Obama, with his calm and measured demeanor, would exacerbate some of the antics of Trump, and it would be a difficult opponent for Trump.
02:10:37.000Wants to see the big fights and the big sit-downs.
02:10:39.000I think this would be a crazy sit-down.
02:10:41.000I got another follow-up crazy one for you here.
02:10:44.000So 2022, just in a few months, we're going to start seeing Republicans start leading for who's going to be the presidential candidate, right?
02:10:51.000You know what's going to look very weird on stage?
02:10:53.000It's going to look very weird on stage.
02:11:12.000Yeah, when they were talking about assassinating him, and they were calling him a traitor and all those psychos that stormed the Capitol where they had fucking zip ties, they were looking for him.
02:12:26.000You think DeSantis is okay being a VP? I don't know.
02:12:28.000But if he was, I don't know what his relationship with Trump is.
02:12:31.000But for him to balance out the bombastic personality of Trump and to have some sort of a message from the right, which if you get the Trump from the second debate...
02:12:41.000Where Trump is a calm, cool demeanor, but also keep the humor, but stop all the aggressive attacking antics, because those are what create more polarization.
02:12:53.000And all the people on the fence, the people that are, you know, I don't know if I can, they'll go towards his side.
02:13:05.000And unless he drops out and unless Kamala comes in with someone else, it's a very difficult situation to try to get people to revote for him, especially after Afghanistan.
02:13:19.000And again, I don't know how to handle it.
02:13:21.000Maybe you're right about how to do it.
02:14:07.000But going back to it, so Trump dissent is those two going up, If Biden stays till the very end, them two going up against Trump and DeSantis, the only question is going to be of DeSantis.
02:14:21.000There was an event that Trump was bringing up DeSantis.
02:14:23.000I don't know if you saw this one, where Trump's building him up.
02:14:26.000So he says, you know, next person I want to bring up is Governor DeSantis.
02:15:59.000But I think DeSantis, with his measured, calm demeanor, and the way he's handled the pandemic, whether you agree with it or not agree with it, A lot of people disagree with it, right?
02:16:10.000But what he has done is give people the most amount of freedom possible while still doing his best, what he believes is his best, to protect the vulnerable.
02:16:21.000A lot of people criticize what he did versus what other people did.
02:16:24.000But if you look at the numbers, especially when you adjust for age, because Florida has a very old population, the numbers are actually better than the numbers for California.
02:16:59.000They'll walk from the stage, like when you're doing an arena in the center, like, so I'm gonna do an arena in a round, so there's like, say if this coffee cup is the stage, this table is the audience, so you gotta walk through the audience to get to backstage.
02:17:14.000So it's just high-fiving all these fucking people and breathing all their air while they're screaming at me.
02:17:19.000That's how I got COVID. Which makes sense.
02:17:22.000I mean, if there's any way not to do it, it's not supposed to be that way.
02:17:38.000Tony was the only one of the three of us that didn't get COVID. Laura got it, and then she was vaccinated.
02:18:26.000There's a part of it that's funny, no?
02:18:27.000Listen, there's a lot of conversation.
02:18:29.000People don't like it when I have right-wing people on the podcast.
02:18:32.000They say you're platforming people with their terrible ideas.
02:18:35.000They don't like it when I have Ben Shapiro on or anyone like that.
02:18:39.000And I just think that that's a foolish way to look at the world because I think that you should be able to communicate with people that have opposing viewpoints or different viewpoints, and you should try to find out why they think what they think.
02:18:51.000I've had some really interesting conversations with Ben over the years, and I like him as a person very much.
02:19:44.000Let me tell you, that's a fascinating conversation, him and I. Probably one of my favorites.
02:19:48.000I had a professor from Riverside Community College, he changed his name, Aster, Aster something, and he came out and he said, the two of the greatest leaders in the history of mankind ever are Mao and Stalin.
02:20:03.000And I sat him down and I said, I got a question for you.
02:20:06.000I said, if a kid is listening to this podcast right now and he's 22 years old, he has a choice between being the next Jeff Bezos or being the next Stalin revolutionary.
02:21:27.000So it's about where the incentive is, what the motivation is, who we produce as a hero.
02:21:32.000I was talking to a Cornell University professor one time, and he said to me, he says, you know when capitalism works and when it doesn't work?
02:23:14.000No, you know, I'm only worth 10, like Elizabeth Warren, you know, who makes $400,000 to give one speech to university, whatever, you know, she goes in, she's a professor, makes all this money.
02:23:24.000But no, what's rich is somebody that's worth more than $20 million, because I'm worth $5 million.
02:23:29.000So let's make those limitations in a way.
02:23:31.000Text the rich, but I'm first going to...
02:23:33.000Text the rich, but first I'm going to have a time of my life partying with them all at the most extravagant, over-the-top part of the year that is essentially a celebration of richness.
02:23:41.000By the way, that's another guy that's very necessary.
02:24:38.000Because to him, when we sat down and we had the dialogue together, I said, if you feel you're so confident, go on Twitter and say something about it.
02:25:44.000I'll be the first because it's a there's a real weakness in not being able to recognize other people's strengths and the people that try to diminish other people's strengths or Whether it's their their creativity their power their greatness whatever it is They try to diminish it because they they feel like they don't like that person They're looking at it through a distorted lens what you don't realize is when you're saying something that other people know to not be true you are You're making
02:26:15.000all your future statements, you're holding them to this standard that you've already fucked up.
02:26:23.000You've already fucked it up by denying the existence of...
02:26:26.000Like, if you try to say, ah, Jimi Hendrix wasn't a great guitarist.
02:26:30.000What the fuck did you even just say, right?
02:26:33.000You say that, everything else you say, I'm gonna look at it through the lens of what you said about Jimi Hendrix was so fucking stupid.
02:26:42.000So, you gotta be able to look at reality 100% unedited.
02:26:49.000100% Undistorted by your own ideology, your own personal feelings about that guy, the interactions you've had with him.
02:27:00.000You've got to look at it for whatever the fuck it is.
02:27:35.000I think it strengthens you, whether you believe it or not.
02:27:39.000I think it strengthens you to give credit to people that you might not necessarily even like.
02:27:44.000And it also, you realize sometimes that there's conflicts that you carry on in your own mind with other people that are completely unnecessary conflicts.
02:32:26.000The best thing about the card game that changed is there's a grading service called PSA. So PSA that's based out of Newport, they're not even taking any new cards right now because they can't.
02:32:38.000It takes 12 months for you to get graded.
02:32:49.000And then based on that, like you see this here that says the PSA stamp, they give it a score, there's a VIN number to it, and then there's a, not a VIN number, but a serial number to it, and then this has got a value.
02:35:17.000If you get an NFT expert reaches out to you who's got credibility, he knows what he's doing, you probably got $10 million of NFTs you could sell the next six or 12 months.
02:35:25.000But I don't even know what that means.
02:36:48.000I'm not super convinced that that's going to be the way it goes, but there will be that day when you're sitting there drinking with your friends like, what do you got?
02:40:57.000But if it's a print, like a photo, if it's a photo of the Mona Lisa and you have it on your phone and you say, look, I bought this NFT of the Mona Lisa.
02:41:10.000So you know how if you use an image on your podcast and the next thing you know, Getty Images comes back and says, you have to pay $500 for this or $1,000 for this or whatever it is because your guy, let's just say, didn't go take the right route to go get that picture.
02:45:03.000And then that became the process of then you got Kobe and all these other guys that came about.
02:45:09.000So it was business, entrepreneurship, interviews with unique personalities around capitalism, CIA, politics, sports, things that I'm interested in, bodybuilding, and then it became what it is today.
02:45:23.000And just like a year ago, we started a podcast, which is a complete separate channel than the Valuetainment Channel, and that's the podcast we started about a year ago.
02:45:55.000So I put that aside, and I'm just kind of separating that to be more entertainment, more content, more, you know, business stuff that's on there.
02:46:03.000That's got, you know, a few million subscribers.
02:47:40.000They were being charitable to come on it and do it.
02:47:43.000And I remember Graham Hancock was one of the first ones.
02:47:45.000I was very, very interested to talk to him because I was such a gigantic fan of his work and...
02:47:50.000You know, I've always been so fascinated by this idea of lost civilizations.
02:47:55.000And Graham Hancock's idea is that civilizations at one point in time were at a very high level of sophistication, but were most likely wiped out by some sort of a natural disaster, whether it's an asteroid impact or most likely an asteroid impact.
02:48:10.000And they look at it and he got together with this guy named Randall Carlson and Randall became a frequent guest as well and but Graham was one of my- Randall's an expert on asteroid collisions and common impacts and some of the things that have happened to the world like undeniably happened over the last you know X amount of thousands of years and then they they looked at their two work and they combined them together and they found sort of a working map of what's very likely to have happened To civilization somewhere around the neighborhood of 12,000 years ago there was
02:48:40.000like a reset that was probably due to impacts and it coincides with they do soil samples core samples of the earth where they find somewhere around that same time period of 12,000 years you find the stuff called tritonite which is nuclear glass that happens when meteors impact with the earth and Same sort of stuff happens when they do,
02:49:04.000like at the Trinity test, where they do nuclear explosion tests.
02:49:08.000It's this glass that happens when, you know, the impact, the immense heat.
02:49:14.000And so there's a lot of, like, physical evidence that points to this.
02:49:17.000So Graham was one of the very first guys that I had on, and we talked about a lot of, like, these really amazing ancient artifacts like Chichen Itza and the things that the Olmecs left behind in South America.
02:49:51.000Yeah, but it was still charitable for them to do the podcast.
02:49:53.000I mean, the podcast was in a fucking room in my house.
02:49:55.000You could hear my daughters yelling in the background at each other because they were like three and five screaming at each other, having fun.
02:50:01.000So it was like, it was very organic, sort of the way.
02:50:06.000There was no plan, like, hey, I'm going to develop this thing that's going to be huge.
02:50:37.000I'm very interested in the way people think and what makes a person very good at what they do and how do you think about things and how does the way you think about things differ from the way she thinks about things.
02:51:50.000Clint Hill was very interesting to me because this whole thing with JFK, I'm also very curious about what happened with JFK. Oh, the assassination?
02:52:25.000Clint Hill was a Secret Service agent, the first guy that jumped on the car when JFK got shot.
02:52:33.000And he gave me his perspective, and that interview was fascinating with Clint Hill.
02:52:38.000And then it led to many other guys that we had.
02:52:40.000But obviously, if there's interest, the audience will feel it.
02:52:45.000Just like probably when you do an interview, there's an interest.
02:52:47.000There's a part of it that's going to pull because of you.
02:52:49.000That you're interesting, but there's a part of it that's also going to pull if you're really interested in the topic that the individual is talking about.
02:52:55.000You know, I remember one time I had a conversation with a guy that was from space, you know, was an astronaut, and what was his name?
02:55:24.000Rudy Giuliani and Chaz Palminteri are doing the, what do you call it, the narrating, and that's now the sit-down between the two that's coming out.
02:55:32.000The mob world is interesting, how they do what they do, their world, what values they live by, what happened to it.
02:55:43.000And then accidentally different topics show up.
02:55:47.000Iran became very interesting to me because of the life I lived and what happened with Jimmy Carter after he did the toast on December 31st of 77. He leaves.
02:55:56.000Twelve months later, Kissinger says, don't worry, Shah, we have your back.
02:55:59.000And the greatest revolution of all time without the main four criterias that cause the revolution happens in Iran...
02:56:05.000And then the Shahs kicked out, exiled, after he changed all the things with Iran.
02:56:13.000But then that takes place and you wonder why that happened.
02:56:15.000And then you realize in 1954, the guy signed a 25-year deal with Germany.
02:56:22.000With the UK, with US, and I think it's Italy or France on an oil deal that these guys had a meeting in 77 to figure out where to get rid of him because he knew the oil prices were going to go up if Shah was going to be there.
02:56:43.000And if other people find interest in what you're interested in, then you're lucky because you find the audience that's interested in the same things you're interested in.
02:56:50.000Well, I'm interested in things that people are passionate about.
02:56:53.000Like if someone's just into making tables and the way they talk about making tables, if I can listen, If I can listen to someone talk about anything, rolling cigars, whatever the fuck it is that you're interested in, when someone has a passion for something, it resonates with you and the way you think about the things you're passionate about.
02:57:48.000It depends on if I have guests that are coming in and they have something that's heavy that I have to get into.
02:57:55.000Sometimes I'll have a physicist on that has some book on tape.
02:57:59.000Cosmology or something like that and astrophysicists.
02:58:01.000And so I go, okay, I got to understand what the fuck they're talking about.
02:58:04.000And so instead of just like trying to have them lead the conversation, I must have some sort of an understanding of what their field of expertise is.
02:58:52.000So for me, I just wanted to talk to her.
02:58:55.000So for me, I felt like that was one of those conversations I just wanted to be...
02:59:01.000Enthusiastic and fresh and just trying to ask her what it means or why people do things or what are the triggers.
02:59:09.000It really completely depends on the conversation and the wide variety of guests is completely up to me, which is the most fascinating part about it.
02:59:20.000So it's only people that I'm interested in.
02:59:36.000I would actually say, you've probably talked about more stuff that's controversial the last three months than you did when you were just on YouTube.
02:59:43.000That's just because the world has gotten more controversial.
03:00:11.000What that does is, that's a form of competition, what you just said.
03:00:15.000That is a form of competition for YouTube.
03:00:17.000Because you leaving YouTube, they're like, shit, what do we do next if the next guy wants to leave that business model?
03:00:23.000And that's kind of why I think, you know, Twitter, Facebook, some of these guys need some competition because if it doesn't want workplace, you know, they're going to go to a different place option-wise.
03:00:55.000They're censoring people based on what they believe people should and should not talk about, like someone who's talking about, like Robert Kennedy, who has differing opinions about vaccines, or like whatever the fuck it is, whether it's about election fraud or lab leak theory,
03:01:12.000whatever it is, that they were censoring They're removing from YouTube, QAnon stuff.
03:02:33.000You have some person whose decision it is to whether or not something is demonetized or not, whether you make money or you don't make money.
03:03:48.000Look, if you're gonna do a podcast like this, you gotta be willing to talk about all sorts of uncomfortable and weird subjects.
03:03:55.000You gotta be able to talk about things you're actually interested.
03:03:57.000You gotta be able to talk about things that are controversial.
03:03:59.000You gotta be able to expose light on injustice.
03:04:02.000You have to be able to show something like, hey man, this is fucked up.
03:04:05.000They're saying this is one thing, but it's not, and we're gonna prove it, we're gonna show it to you.
03:04:09.000If you don't do that, then the audience can't trust me anymore.
03:04:13.000So if I'm holding back and I'm not saying things because I'm worried about being demonetized, the whole show's fucked.
03:04:20.000What feedback do you give to influencers or content creators like yourself that are running a podcast on YouTube?
03:04:27.000What feedback do you give to them both short-term, mid-term, and long-term?
03:04:31.000It's very, very hard because of the censorship.
03:04:35.000I can't really tell you what to do or what not to do because, look, Brett Weinstein and Heather Hying, that Dark Horse podcast, the whole podcast has been demonetized.
03:04:47.000Based on because they're saying controversial things about certain therapeutic drugs that are used for COVID. Haven't both of them also taken vaccine, though?
03:05:00.000No, but because of their discussions about Ivermectin, because of their discussions about, initially, the lab leak theory, because of their discussions about...
03:05:09.000There's some other controversial things that they've discussed.
03:05:15.000There's a lot of different things that they've discussed that, whatever it is, the powers that be, have decided that these conversations can't take place on YouTube.
03:05:23.000Now, they can't stop them from taking place on YouTube because they're not saying anything that's technically wrong.
03:05:29.000And they are evolutionary biologists, so what they've decided to do instead is to punish them.
03:06:01.000It's a good thing for them if the show does well.
03:06:04.000YouTube's under contract with a fucking billion people.
03:06:08.000If they can tell one guy, shut the fuck up, you don't talk about Ivermectin, or shut the fuck up, don't talk about Fauci, or shut the fuck up, don't talk about the election, they can do whatever they want.
03:06:21.000And in doing so, they encourage people to self-censor.
03:06:25.000So when the subject of certain things come up, to this day, there's independent news channels on YouTube that when they discuss, like Ivermectin, for instance, they don't say the word.
03:06:47.000So to independent people that are coming up right now, I don't have any advice for them other than stick to your guns and become undeniable.
03:07:07.000I'm watching a human being that's actually engaging with other human beings in a very honest and provocative way and you're having these conversations that are interesting and I'm getting something out of it.
03:07:40.000You know, only talk about absolutes if you know them to be true, right?
03:07:43.000Like, if there's certain things that, like, there's certain things that, if you have an area of expertise where you know this to be an absolute rock-solid fact, like, here's a fact.
03:07:56.000Absolutely iPhones are made at the Foxconn factory in China.
03:08:01.000There's absolutely nets around that factory because people were committing suicide so often they had to put fucking nets around the building.
03:08:09.000So those kind of absolutes, like if you know things like that, yeah, say them.
03:08:13.000But if you tell people you absolutely should do this, you absolutely should do that, no.
03:08:18.000I think you should speak Truthfully as often as possible you should really do it always and when you can't be truthful just keep your fucking mouth shut It's good feedback.
03:09:12.000Older attractive white lady who's very well-spoken, and they did that one interview where Trump got up and walked out, a 42-minute interview, some interview like that.
03:09:21.000That lady's telling Susan, why are you letting just anybody create content there?
03:11:18.000You know, they did a Brian Stelter, they now analyzed one of Brian Stelter's shows and the big audience, you know, the 18 to 54. It was like 100,000 people.
03:11:26.000Oh no, do you remember the one guy that got on his show and he told him, he says, people like you, it's people like you is the problem.