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00:00:38.000Well, I'm not a naive guy, but I thought that being right would actually help, and it turns out being right hurts.
00:00:45.000Well, during this incredibly confusing time where people are more hysterical and more freaked out and anxiety-filled than I've ever seen people in all of my 54 years of life, this is the peak.
00:01:03.0009-11 was a big anxiety moment for people, but at least it brought us all together.
00:01:08.000This, because of whatever it is, whether it's social media algorithms or it's just the inevitable decline of an empire, whatever the fuck it is, we have hit a weird place right now.
00:01:22.000You know, I would say The people who were sort of very complacent about vaccinations and being vaccinated in the spring are now very angry.
00:01:34.000But they're angry at the wrong people.
00:01:37.000Somehow they're blaming people who are not vaccinated.
00:01:39.000They should be blaming Pfizer and the lies that the CDC told them.
00:01:43.000Well, what's really interesting is almost no anger at the lab in Wuhan.
00:01:54.000It's almost like an inconvenient truth that most likely this virus emerged from a lab.
00:02:01.000I mean, Sagar and Jetty from Breaking Points broke down exactly when it went down, who were the initial people that got infected, how it most likely spread.
00:02:12.000It's been documented by Josh Dubin extensively, the involvement.
00:02:19.000Of Fauci, the NIH, the EcoHealth Alliance, all of the input, all of the deceptive public statements contrasted to the internal emails that showed a real concern that they might be responsible for it,
00:02:36.000a real concern that gain-of-function research might have been the cause of this, and no anger at that, but anger at people who are Unvaccinated.
00:02:46.000Even people who are unvaccinated and healthy.
00:02:49.000Even people who have taken care of their body their entire life.
00:04:06.000There will be a few things extra you get, but for the most part, it's not about money for me.
00:04:11.000It's about getting the largest audience possible.
00:04:13.000So I have more than 150,000 people signed up right now.
00:04:16.000But I got to tell you, on Twitter I had 350,000, 345,000, and that was growing by about 1,000 a day towards the end.
00:04:26.000And I had 25 million profile views in August and almost 200 million impressions.
00:04:35.000So Twitter, in cutting me off, Twitter not only defamed me, they really hurt my efforts to get the word out.
00:04:43.000Well, it's also one of the very best examples that I think I've ever come across of egregious censorship that is ideologically based and not based on anyone doing anything that is...
00:04:55.000I don't know what their code of conduct is, whether it's about someone being malicious or it's about someone being untruthful or misrepresentation of the facts.
00:05:22.000Yeah, you're very, I would say, very objective about your interpretation of the data and...
00:05:30.000What you think is going on versus, you know, what is being purported.
00:05:34.000And I should say, first of all, right away, you were correct about a lot of the data, particularly coming out of Israel.
00:05:41.000You sounded the warning shots long before anyone else that not only do the vaccines have a certain – there's like a window of efficacy, whether it's three months or five months, whatever it is.
00:06:15.000Now it's basically they'll prevent you from dying, which also probably, I mean, there's evidence, there's some evidence of benefit of really serious illness or death, but I'm not even convinced when we look back over, let's say, another 12 months out, that that's going to be the case.
00:06:30.000Well, there have been people that have been fully vaccinated who've died from COVID. And it's publicly, there was one that was...
00:06:38.000Where this woman was fully vaccinated, she got COVID, she died, and the headline was, because some people didn't get vaccinated, my mom died.
00:06:50.000And I was like, what the fuck did you just say?
00:07:13.000Seven in ten of the people—I'm going to keep saying it because nobody believes it, but the numbers are there in the government documents, okay?
00:07:30.000If you go to, it's called the technical briefing from the UK Public Health England.
00:07:39.000If you look at variants of concern, you should be able to pull up, Google should have a couple pages for you and then I can walk you through where it is.
00:07:47.000But just to be clear on this, 7 out of 10 of the people dying of COVID in the UK now are fully vaccinated.
00:07:56.000And another 5% or so are partly vaccinated, meaning they had one shot but not the second.
00:08:00.000That was also the case in Israel until August, I mean in August, and that's why they freaked out and made everyone get boosters, because when you get the booster, you briefly drive up your antibodies.
00:08:10.000We don't know what the long-term effects are, but in the short term, that makes the numbers look better for vaccines.
00:08:21.000What's crazy is that I know a lot of people that got vaccinated and then immediately stopped taking vitamins.
00:08:27.000A good friend of mine, he got vaccinated, and then he got COVID. After he got vaccinated, he goes, you know what, man?
00:08:33.000Once I got vaccinated, I stopped taking vitamins.
00:08:36.000Because before that, he was taking zinc and vitamin C and quercetin, and he was really keeping up on his vitamin regimen and making sure that he was...
00:08:45.000And then once he got vaccinated, he was like, oh, we're good.
00:08:59.000This is before the ivermectin horse dewormer craze became public disinformation campaign number one, but ivermectin essentially knocked him out of it.
00:09:10.000He was good within 24 hours after taking ivermectin.
00:09:13.000So I'm going to say something you don't like.
00:09:43.000Human beings are complicated, and the argument that people – the anti-ivermectin argument people make is in doses that would be another – if you dose it for humans at the levels that it blocks that replication in vitro, you'd kill humans.
00:09:58.000So in other words, it's not – Really?
00:10:07.000But the point that I'm trying to make is that at the levels that it's given in humans, which I think is less than a milligram per kilogram of body weight, it doesn't have 0.6, right?
00:10:19.000That it hasn't been shown at those levels in vitro to work.
00:10:23.000I don't claim to be an expert on ivermectin, by the way.
00:10:27.000Do you know about what's going on in India and that one state in India where they've given the kits?
00:10:43.000I'm not saying ivermectin doesn't work, Joe.
00:10:45.000What I'm saying is that we have to stand against junk science, whether it's junk science about vaccines, whether it's junk science about HCQ. You have to test this stuff in clinical trials.
00:12:05.000It's one of the great, actually one of the great pharmaceutical stores that last 40 years because Merck, which is, you can't trust any of these companies, but Merck is the best of them, even though we can talk about Merck and Vioxx separately.
00:12:20.000And the CEO at the time, this was like 30 years ago, who was a physician, said, basically, we can't make any money off this in the US. There's no market for river blindness in the US. I'm going to give this away.
00:12:32.000And there is a statue in Merck's lobby, in the lobby in New Jersey, of somebody who is not blind because they got ivermectin.
00:12:57.000Because of all the people that it could come towards, where it would be, I would say, why are they doing that to him, and this is not true, and have it be frustrating.
00:13:23.000And the fact that they concentrated on this lie that I was taking veterinary medicine instead of, I mean, it literally has a fucking box that says for human consumption.
00:13:37.000But the fact they were lying about it, and not just lying about it, but using the same lie on MSNBC, on all these different Hollywood Reporter, on, you know, it was obvious that this press release had been sanctioned, or that this narrative had been promoted.
00:13:55.000But the fact that they didn't concentrate at all on the fact, like, oh, here's this guy who just got better really quick.
00:14:02.000Well, there's something called the Trusted News Initiative, which is a consortium of companies.
00:14:22.000And this is basically, we're going to all get on the same page when we talk to you about COVID. So when masks didn't work, remember the beginning masks didn't work, we're going to all tell you not to buy masks.
00:14:34.000And then when all of a sudden we decide they do work, you should all wear masks.
00:14:39.000And the propaganda, I mean, it's the only word for this, is propaganda has gotten worse and worse and worse month by month.
00:14:46.000And it has gotten, you know, with ivermectin and the vaccines, it has reached new heights.
00:15:21.000So when they're talking about horse-to-wormer, there's somebody out there who's spending a couple million bucks a month or whatever it is to make sure that, you know, this is not for humans, it's for animals.
00:15:31.000They are testing all that language, and that is one reason why it sounds so similar.
00:15:37.000It's one of the reasons why I stopped using Google to search things, too.
00:15:40.000They're doing something to curate information.
00:15:43.000If I wanted to find specific cases about people who died from vaccine-related injuries, I had to go to DuckDuckGo.
00:15:58.000I'm looking for very specific people and very specific cases, and I'm getting CDC websites, and I'm getting articles on the disinformation attached to vaccines, and vaccines being safe and effective, which for the most part, they are just like peanuts are safe and effective for the most part.
00:16:16.000Well, I mean, again, listen, I've been vaccinated against everything, you know, as a child.
00:16:26.000Do you know the newest Webster definition of anti-vaxx includes someone who's against vaccine mandates or someone who's against vaccinating children?
00:16:36.000We'll pull this up because this is new.
00:16:38.000They've updated the term anti-vaxxer to not just mean someone who believes in fucking apple cider vinegar cures cancer, like these wacky fucks, but someone who thinks that vaccine mandates are a dangerous, slippery slope to fascism.
00:17:19.000Especially a parent who opposes having his or her child vaccinated.
00:17:24.000Do you know that, I mean, there's actually statistics now that show that for boys, it is more dangerous to be vaccinated than it is to get COVID. Oh, yeah.
00:19:35.000There's a thing that happens with kids we were talking about at lunch today, where when we were children, if someone got chicken pox, you would go over their house so you could get chicken pox.
00:19:47.000I mean, that was literally how my parents dealt with it.
00:19:49.000I got chicken pox because one of my relatives got chicken pox, my cousin I think it was, and we went over his house and we all got chicken pox.
00:19:55.000And you're immune to it for the rest of your life.
00:20:39.000What's happened is if you think about what vaccines were, you know, like the measles vaccine or the smallpox vaccine, they were effectively 100% effective for your whole life.
00:20:50.000Now, of course, some people many years later might have a breakthrough infection, but it was called a breakthrough because it was so rare.
00:20:58.000And so, you know, you get the MMR vaccine as a little kid and you never get measles.
00:21:06.000Somehow, I don't understand this, like, weird mind meld that Pfizer and Moderna and BioNTech have performed on the government and on the media, where they have convinced people that these things, which by no classical definition are vaccines, they don't work like vaccines, they don't have the duration of protection of vaccines,
00:21:24.000and you can still get very sick and die post-vaccination.
00:21:28.000We should explain to people that maybe don't know, just in case someone's listening, that doesn't know how a regular vaccine works.
00:21:35.000A regular vaccine, if it's for smallpox, has an inert version of smallpox in it.
00:21:41.000So you can't catch it, but your body recognizes it, your body develops the immunity to smallpox, and then it fights it off.
00:21:49.000And these mRNA vaccines, which, by the way, the technology is amazing and fascinating, and it seems to have profound possibilities in terms of the ability to fight cancer.
00:22:01.000They have a lot of really interesting research on the horizon.
00:22:05.000So this is not demonizing the concept of mRNA vaccines, but what they essentially do is they tell your body to produce a certain spike protein.
00:22:15.000And this develops this ability to fight off the COVID variants.
00:22:23.000So if you think of coronavirus, it's called coronavirus because it has this corona of spikes.
00:22:29.000It looks like a ball, and it's got these nasty little spikes poking off it.
00:22:32.000Is there a real photo of one of those things?
00:22:36.000It's too small to take a proper photo of it.
00:22:38.000So how do they know it's got the spikes?
00:22:39.000Because they know what the shape is, because they have the complete genetic code, and they know what amino acids it produces, and they know what those look like.
00:22:53.000So, I mean, biology is magic these days.
00:22:59.000That they can predict how this thing's going to fold on itself.
00:23:03.000And they can actually predict what the mutations will cause the structural confirmation of this thing, which is so small you can't imagine how small it is.
00:23:13.000They can imagine how it's going to look.
00:23:15.000And when I say imagine, it's really predict.
00:23:18.000And then they can predict how it's going to attach to your cells.
00:23:43.000For whatever reason, with respiratory viruses, the whole inactivated virus thing, or it's sometimes called attenuated virus, doesn't work very well.
00:24:21.000It's a little bundle of RNA, in the case of the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines, which is stuck inside what's called the lipid nanoparticle.
00:24:31.000That bundle of RNA gets into your cells, actually just like the virus would.
00:24:38.000And it tells your cells, make the spike protein.
00:24:41.000So you then have a ton of spike protein in these cells.
00:24:46.000Now one of the promises about the vaccine that has turned out not to be true is you're only going to have those spike proteins basically near the injection site.
00:24:55.000It turns out, unfortunately, some vaccine appears to leak and travel.
00:25:02.000When you're shooting something into someone's arm and you're just injecting intramuscularly into the deltoid, Is it possible to hit a vein?
00:25:14.000So that's been one of the questions, is whether or not some of the people who get myocarditis get it because they were improperly injected.
00:25:20.000Is there a spot where you should and shouldn't hit?
00:26:24.000So you get this really high spike of, maybe I should use a different word, a surge of antibodies that's much higher than the natural level that you'd get, but it declines really fast.
00:26:36.000So Israel, there's a really good paper that came out of Israel, I think about two months ago on this, where natural immunity, natural antibodies fall about 5 or 10% a month.
00:26:48.000Vaccine-generated immunities fall 40% a month.
00:27:08.000And then there's another technical issue, which is that for some reason that I think they don't even really have...
00:27:15.000Even a good theory about, the vaccine-generated antibodies are much more narrowly focused on one part of the spike protein than natural antibodies.
00:27:24.000Plus, if somebody like you got sick, you recovered, you have antibodies to other parts of SARS-CoV-2.
00:27:31.000There's something called the nucleocapsid.
00:27:35.000Plus, again, for reasons that we don't fully understand, it looks like your B cells, which are part of your immune system, which in the long run will generate antibodies again if you face this again, if you're reinfected,
00:29:23.000Just a little bit in that part, those vaccine antibodies you have don't work very well anymore.
00:29:29.000And you don't have the backup stuff that you get, you know, you personally and everybody else who's been infected and recovered gets.
00:29:37.000Yeah, I was reading something about that today.
00:29:39.000I actually made a note about it because I knew it was going to come up on the podcast today because I found this discussion of it to be pretty interesting.
00:29:53.000That natural immunity is demonstrably more generalized and robust to variant mutations, and that the vaccines are designed to be specifically targeted, and that's what allowed them to get created so quickly.
00:30:06.000Is that an accurate assessment on that?
00:30:10.000I mean, the virus doesn't think, okay, but it wants to survive.
00:30:15.000If, you know, different human beings are going to have somewhat different responses to natural infection, the vaccine response is always the same, okay?
00:30:26.000Because the vaccine is always the same.
00:30:28.000So the vaccine response is we're going to generate a ton of antibodies for this one particular part of the spike protein.
00:30:36.000Well, the virus, quote-unquote, knows that if it can just mutate that bit of itself...
00:31:20.000That's not the worst-case scenario, by the way.
00:31:23.000The worst case scenario is that the virus mutates in a way that the vaccine actually, this is why it's called antibody-dependent enhancement.
00:31:31.000The antibodies continue to be able to attach to part of the virus.
00:31:38.000But the virus has mutated in a way that after attaching, they actually help it bind to cells.
00:31:46.000Now, someone sent me something today from a very fishy-looking GeoCities-type website that was claiming that there was some Department of Defense, artificial intelligence.
00:31:57.000Have you read that this is going around?
00:31:58.000Yeah, I thought it was BS, but I think it's actually totally true.
00:32:18.000I don't want people to, especially since I said 70%, and I know that's such a stunning number, I don't want people to think I made that up.
00:32:56.000The reason is that most of those deaths occurred in January and February and March.
00:33:04.000And as we know, this is another thing that I was criticized immensely for on Twitter and has turned out to be totally correct.
00:33:12.000In the first week or two after you get the first dose, you're actually at higher risk of being infected with and dying from COVID, it looks like.
00:33:20.000Because your immune system has to kick in?
00:34:02.000If a vaccine lasts 10 years, okay, yes, maybe there's a little spike in cases after that first dose, but who cares?
00:34:08.000You get 10 years of protection at 95%.
00:34:10.000A few cases at the beginning does not matter.
00:34:13.000So the companies, when they counted cases, they said, we're going to count cases in people who are fully vaccinated.
00:34:21.000That's in the case of Pfizer, I believe, was one week after the second dose.
00:34:25.000In the case of Moderna, two weeks after the second dose.
00:34:27.000So all the cases in the first five weeks, whether you were vaccinated or not, were not included in the description, in the calculation of vaccine protectiveness.
00:34:39.000Now, is there any documentation as to why they made that distinction?
00:34:44.000Yeah, again, because they said, you know what, it's not fair.
00:34:47.000It's not fair to count those cases because, again, let's say the vaccine lasts forever or 10 years.
00:34:53.000We don't really care about what's happening the first week or two in.
00:35:34.000So if you're thinking about a traditional drug, like an antidepressant or a cholesterol drug, a drug that people might take for a few months.
00:35:42.000So you get depressed, your doctor prescribes you an antidepressant, you take it for a few months.
00:35:49.000If I, the company that made the antidepressant, said to the FDA, well, sure, there were a couple suicides and a couple cases of really severe depression after the first week, but we can't count those.
00:36:00.000We got to wait for this thing to kick in.
00:36:38.000I suppose at the New York Times and everywhere else either didn't understand that this was happening or didn't understand what it meant, and they all bought that 95% figure.
00:36:46.000So, okay, so you get negative efficacy, it looks like, early on, zero to negative efficacy.
00:36:52.000Then you get a few weeks of 50% efficacy.
00:36:55.000Then you get to what I call the happy vaccine valley, okay, which is where part of Europe is right now, which is where Israel was back in March and April and May, where...
00:37:06.000Everybody's walking around with tons of antibodies.
00:37:08.000Yes, they're declining, but they had so many that they have tons of antibodies, and it looks really good.
00:37:16.000There were days in June, in late May and June, when they had 10 COVID cases, 15 COVID cases, and they had basically nobody in the hospital.
00:37:25.000And that's when everyone was like, these things are a miracle.
00:37:28.000We're going to end COVID and I can find you.
00:37:31.000Tony Fauci is basically saying, I believe we can eliminate COVID. He said that in May.
00:37:55.000In fact, in Israel, in late August, before they got desperate with the boosters, they were having more cases than they'd had back in January when they just started vaccinating.
00:38:08.000Have the boosters been effective in Israel?
00:38:11.000They're gonna be effective in the short run because they kick your antibodies back up.
00:38:16.000But the question is whether or not, A, how long that lasts, B, what the side effects are, and C, do you want to keep doing that forever to people?
00:38:23.000For people that have had no side effects, though, from the initial vaccines, Even then, it's not clear.
00:40:07.000What's weird to me, and I guess this is just human nature, is how people become so tribal about it and how the vaccinated people are doubling down.
00:40:16.000There's some of them that identify with being vaccinated to the point where it's almost like a religious distinction or, you know, a political distinction.
00:40:24.000So there's some really ugly stuff going on.
00:40:29.000And some of it's actually subtle and some of it's not subtle.
00:40:31.000One of the subtle things that I think has happened is that this is the first time in history, at least that I can think of, that the sort of most educated, wealthiest people have put their hands up and said, I want to be the guinea pig!
00:40:43.000So, like, those people were desperate to get vaccinated, most of them.
00:40:47.000And, you know, people like me, you know, look, I went to Yale, I worked for the New York Times.
00:41:13.000That those people who got themselves vaccinated, who desperately rushed out, in some cases lied about their eligibility back in January and February, are realizing that, you know, the stupid people maybe made the right choice.
00:41:26.000It's very hard for them to admit that.
00:41:28.000I don't think they think they made the right choice.
00:41:30.000I think here's one of the things I think is going on.
00:41:32.000I think some people were a little nervous to get vaccinated, but they did it, they bit the bullet, and then they want other people to do it too.
00:42:03.000We should force those people to do it, regardless of whether or not there is an effective treatment outside of the vaccine, regardless of whether or not it makes sense because these people have had a previous infection to COVID and that infection imparted superior protection.
00:43:03.000I mean, I think he's unfairly labeled because people want to marginalize him and dismiss him immediately and call him a white separatist or a white supremacist or whatever word that makes you a part of a list of people that you can never associate with.
00:43:17.000They like to initially do that about him.
00:43:19.000I think his discussions that he has on his show are some of the most nuanced in that he is willing to have conversations with anybody from all these different people that have been in issues with college censorship or so-called progressive college students have censored professors from discussing certain topics or He'll talk about all kinds of things,
00:43:45.000and I think that's very important in this time, that you have people like him.
00:43:50.000As much as he gets criticized, and as much as I get criticized, there's a very important thing that is happening when people are discussing uncomfortable issues.
00:44:01.000We have to figure out what's right and what's wrong, and you don't get that by just buying into the official narrative.
00:44:26.000I've become – maybe I don't know if populist is the right word or the wrong word, but I am so struck by the left's willingness to buy into the narrative that – especially that the pharma industry is selling right now.
00:44:46.000Well, you know, you brought up Vioxx earlier with Merck, and one of the reasons why I became initially suspicious of, I mean, there's a lot of reasons to become suspicious of the motives behind pharmaceutical companies because there's an enormous profit incentive.
00:45:03.000They make tremendous amounts of money from these things.
00:45:06.000And if they can fudge the numbers or move things around, I mean, Pfizer paid out, I think it was the biggest ever settlement by any company.
00:45:58.000So both Pfizer and Merck, actually, even though I generally think Merck is one of the better of these companies, they made drugs that essentially were aspirin, except that they had a little side effect, which is they caused heart attacks in people.
00:47:59.000So Vioxx was supposed to, and Baxter, Celecoxib, and Rofocoxib, these two drugs, were supposed to spare the lining of your stomach, which they do.
00:48:08.000There's just one little problem, which is it's like in the United States, and this is about all drugs, we have this idea like you take the pill and the problem goes away.
00:48:52.000I've heard doctors warn me about statins.
00:48:54.000People say it can cause muscle aches and other stuff.
00:48:56.000But for the most part, and those drugs have been tested in, you know, Tens of thousands of people, and they actually appear to reduce deaths from heart attacks and strokes.
00:49:05.000If you do the test right, you get real answers.
00:51:17.000What you said, everyone, college professors, CEOs, garbage men, everyone would agree with you across the board.
00:51:26.000Now, all of a sudden, because it's an inconvenient truth in the fact that we need these pharmaceutical companies to deliver these vaccines, which people have...
00:51:36.000Like, did you see that lady in New York, your new governor?
00:52:38.000And what we went through this pandemic made us stronger.
00:52:41.000I believe that, especially when I talk to young people who weren't able to have their graduations from high school or a normal life for the last 18 months.
00:52:49.000I say to them, whatever comes your way in life, you are stronger.
00:56:02.000I found there's a lot of people in one chart that said there was like 200,000 people that got it that were unvaccinated under the age of like 25 or something like that.
00:56:33.000So what you can see is that in people over 50...
00:56:39.000Rates of illness are higher in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated.
00:56:44.000900 to 600 in people 50 to 60. 600 to 400 in people 60 to 70. 500 roughly to 360. In each of those cases, the number in the second to last graph, the second to last column, is higher.
00:57:00.000So what that's telling you is that people who are vaccinated with two doses are more likely to be infected with SARS-CoV-2 than people who are not vaccinated.
00:57:11.000It's interesting how it changes the Somewhere around 40 to 49. That's right.
00:57:17.000And there's a good scientific reason for that, which is basically there's something called immunosenescence, which basically means that your immune system, as you get older, has a harder time dealing with disease, right?
00:57:29.000I mean, that's sort of intuitively obvious.
00:57:31.000It also has a harder time mounting the response that the vaccines are supposed to help with.
00:59:30.000Why does it differentiate between that after 14 days and then the next one is rates among persons vaccinated with two doses?
00:59:37.000Okay, so I promise you I won't answer that question, but what I want everyone to see is that the vast majority of people in Britain who died in September were fully vaccinated.
00:59:51.0001,270 out of 1,500 were fully vaccinated.
00:59:55.000607 of the 70-year-olds out of 800 were fully vaccinated.
00:59:59.000258 out of the 411 60-year-olds, they were almost all fully vaccinated.
01:00:05.000Most people who die of this now are fully vaccinated in the UK. Those are the numbers.
01:00:12.000And the rates among persons not vaccinated and vaccinated with two doses per 100,000, what do they mean by that?
01:00:18.000So what they're showing you there is that even though the vast majority of people who died were vaccinated, the vaccine still appears to have some protective effect because rates among...
01:01:22.000And that's actually a pretty good analogy to what you're seeing there because you're getting 100 out of 950 compared to 20 out of 50. So when you say that most of the people who are dying are vaccinated, is that because the levels or the rates of vaccination is very high?
01:01:39.000Yes, but there's another complexity here, and this is the part that the vaccine advocates never admit.
01:01:48.000When you get to a place like Britain or Israel where almost everybody in that age range is vaccinated, over 70, over 80. Who's not being vaccinated?
01:01:58.000Do you think there's a lot of people in the old age home who are saying, you know what?
01:02:54.000That is my speculation that there is this difference in these two groups.
01:03:00.000Yeah, because I know there's a lot of people that are just untrusting of the government or they're really into, you know, air quotes, holistic medicine.
01:03:10.000But we're not talking about 50 or 40 or 30-year-olds.
01:03:13.000We're talking about people in this group of people who are at high risk and who basically...
01:03:19.000I mean, I don't want to say, you know, hopefully we'll all be 90 one day, but, you know, I'm not sure how much, like, agency those folks have when somebody shows up at the old age home and says, we're going to vaccinate everybody.
01:04:08.000You go back and look at the six months before people got the flu vaccine, people who get the flu vaccine are less likely to die in those six months too.
01:04:19.000Because if you're together enough, if you're 80 years old and together enough to want the flu vaccine, you have a certain baseline level of health.
01:04:27.000And you probably care more about your health, okay?
01:04:30.000So the flu vaccine on a population level basis appears to do nothing to reduce flu deaths in people over 65. But...
01:04:39.000It also appears to reduce deaths in people over 65. And the explanation is it's not actually reducing deaths.
01:04:46.000It's telling you who's healthier and who's less likely to die.
01:06:38.000So, no more pleasant euphemisms about what's going on here.
01:06:43.000Apart from the people who have legitimate medical complications about vaccines, we have to stop coddling the morons who will not get the shot!
01:06:54.000We start by calling them what they are.
01:06:57.000They are all snowflakes and cowards and idiots and losers.
01:07:05.000And most importantly, they are Afraid!
01:07:52.000And don't give me this nonsense that, like, somehow there are so many unvaccinated people that it's going to destroy hospital systems, okay?
01:08:47.000In the countries that have real data that they're releasing on a timely basis, you see, okay?
01:08:54.000Again, in Israel, last month, well now it's August, they got so terrified they were going to have the worst wave yet of COVID that they gave people boosters.
01:09:05.000They asked the entire country to get boosters.
01:09:08.000Do you know how much data there was around booster shots when they did that?
01:11:01.000By early July, I'm looking at this and I'm like, you know, this does not look good.
01:11:07.000And I don't understand what's going to turn it around.
01:11:09.000I don't understand why we think that the biology of these first few people to start getting infected post-vaccine is different than the biology of other people who were vaccinated later.
01:11:29.000By the end of July, early August, it was clear that Israel and the UK were headed for a crisis.
01:11:38.000It was more clear in Israel because the UK, it's a little bit complicated because they used several different vaccines and they dosed them off schedule.
01:11:46.000Israel is just like the US. Israel used only the Pfizer vaccine, where in the US we basically used only the Pfizer and Moderna, the mRNA vaccines.
01:11:55.000We used a little J&J, but not very much.
01:11:58.000And Israel dosed on the schedule the companies had suggested, just as we did.
01:14:02.000No, that's not what these are supposed to be.
01:14:04.000Supposed to be, you get it, you're done.
01:14:07.000And the vaccine fanatics will say, oh, well, you know, the tetanus shot, sometimes people get after a 10-year boost.
01:14:14.00010 years is very different than eight months.
01:14:17.000And that's, you know, there's been so much sort of, I hate to say misinformation, but misinformation about why these vaccines are really so different.
01:14:44.000They resign and they write a letter with other people to The Lancet, which is probably the best medical journal in the world, saying, we don't think boosters are a good idea for the general population.
01:16:25.000And by the way, the stocks of the vaccine companies went down more than 10% the day the Merck reports came out.
01:16:32.000Because Wall Street said, oh, there's an actual therapeutic.
01:16:37.000So we're not going to be able to jam these boosters into people's arms forever.
01:16:39.000But now, these therapeutics, do they have an emergency use authorization, or do they have to go through the full approval process?
01:16:45.000Well, that's going to be an interesting question.
01:16:48.000Probably, I think, Merck has indicated it wants an EUA, and should get an EUA. And this drug, do we have data on potential side effects?
01:16:58.000So the top line data, again, this is what got us into trouble last year because the companies released this top line data that looked really good.
01:17:05.000We have top line data showing that hospitalizations were less than, I believe it was less than half in the people who received the drug.
01:17:50.000I mean, they didn't explicitly say why they were resigning, but we know they resigned within weeks and then wrote a letter saying, we don't think vaccines should be approved.
01:17:59.000Then the FDA... Holds a committee meeting in mid-September.
01:18:04.000It's one of the last things in the book.
01:19:16.000So normally, once the FDA approves, then it's a drug that your doctor can prescribe to you.
01:19:24.000In this case, with vaccines, there's something called the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices that the CDC runs.
01:19:30.000And those guys meet a few days after, men and women, I should say.
01:19:34.000They meet a few days after the FDA, and they vote 9 to 6. That they actually want a tighter rule than the FDA. They only want it for older people, not for these people at high risk.
01:19:50.000Because what the FDA was saying was not just high risk of complications from COVID, but high risk of getting COVID. And this was going to be a backdoor way to let teachers, who actually aren't at high risk of getting COVID, but nurses, healthcare workers...
01:20:06.000You don't think teachers are at high risk of getting COVID? Nope.
01:20:08.000There's very strong evidence that they're not.
01:20:10.000But they're constantly around children.
01:20:11.000Yeah, but children don't spread COVID at all.
01:21:03.000I mean, we don't want to pull up every scientific paper that's ever been written, but there is chapter and verse on this.
01:21:11.000So teachers, and there's a paper from Finland.
01:21:15.000But it just makes sense, though, that if children are getting it and they're sick, even if it's for a day, it seems like it could possibly spread to the parents.
01:21:22.000And if the parents are high risk, or if the teacher's high risk...
01:21:32.000That's not what I think of as a teacher.
01:21:33.000I was watching a video of an obese teacher who was complaining about the fact that she has to go back to school because she's worried about her life and her safety.
01:21:42.000It's one of those unhinged rants with a mask on, by the way.
01:22:27.000If you're high risk, if you deem yourself to be high risk.
01:22:29.000Yeah, I don't know if there's specific categories of people, but yes, I think if you deem yourself to be high risk, you can go get yourself a booster.
01:22:36.000Well, isn't that different though than in the FDA recommendation though?
01:22:40.000Like if you allow people to make their own decision Sure.
01:22:43.000Except that in New York City right now, you need to have been vaccinated to go to a restaurant, as we talked about.
01:23:05.000What we know, based on the Israeli experience, and again, like...
01:23:11.000This is why you need randomized trials.
01:23:13.000You can't just look at large populations because you don't know sort of internally who's getting that third dose, who's getting the second dose.
01:23:21.000But what it looks like from Israel is you do get this short-term bump in antibodies.
01:23:26.000And in the short run, that leads to people who've gotten the third dose not being in the hospital as much.
01:23:32.000I was seeing something on the Johnson& Johnson vaccine that the second dose imparts 94% effectiveness up to two months out.
01:23:45.000Right, but it's a different thing because it's supposed to be a one shot.
01:23:49.000So if you get that, you're getting one shot of the J&J and then eight months later you get another one shot of the J&J. Is that more effective or less effective than the boosters when you're taking a third shot of Pfizer?
01:24:01.000So we're kind of talking about a couple things.
01:24:05.000So J&J did a big clinical trial where they did two doses.
01:24:10.000The initial clinical trial they did was one dose, and that got compared to the Pfizer and Moderna two doses, and it looked like J&J was not as effective.
01:24:17.000Jane Day at the same time ran another clinical trial that was two doses of its own medicine, no Moderna or Pfizer.
01:26:18.000Look, I've read a lot of VAERS reports.
01:26:21.000There's a few that are clearly fake, that some people have thrown in to try to...
01:26:26.000I think in most cases, actually, I think they've been thrown in by pro-vaccine people to try to embarrass people like me.
01:26:33.000If you fool me into reporting it, then you can say, oh, look, Berenson reported that three eight-year-olds died on the same day from the vaccine.
01:26:57.000And that doesn't mean, by the way, it doesn't mean that everybody who has a side effect following a vaccine or who has a negative event following the vaccine, that the vaccine has caused the negative event.
01:27:26.000It's from rat dams in the preclinical work.
01:27:30.000And it was reported in the Moderna and actually the Pfizer European data.
01:27:37.000There's something called the European Medicines Agency, the EMA, and they posted more complete data than our FDA did, and that showed that there were these rat dams that had more deaths in people,
01:27:53.000in the rats that were vaccinated, more miscarriages, I should say, in the rats that were vaccinated than those that weren't.
01:28:04.000It's a high—I should say it was 2 to 1. So what they do is they count—they look at the, like, number of, I guess, live—I don't know how they would— It was about 15% of rat pregnancies in vaccinated rats miscarried and 7% in rats that didn't receive a vaccine.
01:28:45.000You impregnate the rats, and then you give some of them a vaccine, and you give some of them a placebo, and then the rats have their little rat babies, and you see who's alive and who's not.
01:28:55.000And do they give them a ratio of the vaccine that's proportionate?
01:29:01.000I don't know how much higher, but it's significantly higher than humans would receive.
01:29:04.000Because this is not meant to prove anything.
01:29:07.000It's meant to sort of be an avenue for exploration.
01:29:10.000And obviously what you're hoping is, you know, no matter how much you give, the same percentage of rat babies will be born dead in both arms.
01:29:20.000In this case, in both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, double the number of rats were born dead in the vaccine arm as in the placebo arm.
01:30:00.000These vaccines appear, to the extent they have side effects, those side effects are centered around the cardiovascular system, right?
01:30:07.000Because we know, as you said earlier, the spike protein and SARS-CoV-2 in general have effects on the endothelium, on the lining of your vasculature, the walls, okay?
01:30:19.000One wouldn't be shocked to find that in some cases, perhaps...
01:30:25.000A vascular event could lead to problems for fetal growth.
01:31:16.000And I say sometimes now because there's been a couple studies out of Israel actually and the U.S. where they've looked at sort of large cohorts of pregnant women and they haven't found excess miscarriages.
01:31:30.000That doesn't mean Again, because it's not a randomized trial, there could be that the women who got the vaccine tend to take better care of themselves in general and had a lower miscarriage base rate and that got pushed up.
01:32:31.000What they're doing is they're comparing the risk of a pregnant woman with COVID to the risk of a non-pregnant woman of the same age with COVID. The reason...
01:32:40.000So there is a slight excess risk, but it's off a baseline that's almost too low to be measured.
01:32:44.000A 25-year-old woman who gets COVID is at, again, basically no risk unless she's morbidly obese.
01:32:50.000What if she's a 38-year-old woman that has COVID and pregnant?
01:32:58.000So I think that for whatever reason, there's just a societal campaign that these people have convinced themselves that everyone needs the shot.
01:33:11.000What bothers me, and it seems to be a real thing, is that there is a real resistance to not just accepting, but even the distribution of possible therapeutics other than the vaccine.
01:33:25.000A big one being the monoclonal antibodies, where Biden actually restricted the amount that went to Florida and Texas Yeah,
01:34:35.000Yeah, is it just because there's just this mad scramble to get the vaccines out and because the vaccines were thought to be the savior of this pandemic that all of our eggs are in that one basket?
01:34:54.000And that's the best explanation, actually, because that's not the one that's like, oh, they want to depopulate everybody or, you know, it's all Pfizer.
01:35:09.000And then I'd say there's like the middle conspiracy theories, which is like Pfizer just owns the FDA. Well, Pfizer doesn't own the FDA, but they're a big, powerful company.
01:35:18.000And they have 24 lobbying groups in Washington, apparently.
01:35:20.000And they're making a few billion dollars a year off these vaccines.
01:35:24.000Did you see that the woman from the CDC is now talking about gun violence?
01:36:08.000I know, but I mean, numbers-wise, if you look at the people that die from guns versus the people that die from heart attacks...
01:36:17.000But your explanation is the least conspiratorial, right?
01:36:21.000It's that a bunch of people made kind of bad decisions early on based on panic, and one of the decisions they made is we have to get these vaccines out at any cost without, you know, we're going to speed the test, warp speed, and we're going to have a chance to really change human history.
01:36:39.000For the first time ever, we are going to crash an epidemic in its tracks.
01:36:44.000We are going to use this new technology.
01:37:11.000To get into that position where you're saying, I don't think there's evidence for a booster when there's also evidence that the drug or the vaccine rather stops working.
01:37:46.000But then I've also heard that there's people that believe that the variants are being caused by the vaccinated people or the unvaccinated people.
01:37:54.000And then I've had explained to me that no, it's actually...
01:37:59.000Probably what's happening is when you vaccinate people for a very specific spike protein that the virus selects for the variants and that it finds where there is no immunity and that those variants then propagate.
01:38:18.000The vaccine reduces the genomic diversity of the virus and causes it, as you say, to select for mutations that are going to enable it to beat the vaccine.
01:38:28.000But the idea also is that these variants actually came from a place where there's low vaccination rates, which is even weirder.
01:38:35.000And then it was explained to me that no...
01:38:39.000All sorts of things cause viruses to mutate.
01:38:43.000And the vaccines, whether it's vaccinated or unvaccinated, it's just one or two factors in this incredible equation of billions of people that are infected by a similar virus.
01:38:53.000Billions of people with trillions of virions, viral particles, and this thing is kind of sloppy and makes mistakes when it's replicating.
01:39:17.000But Delta came from India at a time when almost nobody was vaccinated.
01:39:21.000But that doesn't mean that the vaccine didn't help make it more common.
01:39:27.000It may have had characteristics that an unvaccinated population wouldn't have allowed it to take over the way it did in vaccinated populations.
01:40:54.000Not this month, because now it's October.
01:40:56.000In September, there were two major document dumps that came out about Wuhan, okay?
01:41:02.000And the second one, actually, is the most important one.
01:41:05.000This showed that the EcoHealth Alliance, unless these documents are made up, and I do not believe they're made up, and Daszak, who is the head of EcoHealth, has not said they're made up, and presumably he would.
01:41:19.000Internal documents from EcoHealth from 2018 showed that they were considering, and not just considering, they made a proposal to DARPA, which is the Pentagon Defense Advanced Projects Research Agency.
01:41:34.000They made a proposal to spend $14 million infecting bats, In Wuhan with a spike protein that was optimized to attack humans.
01:41:57.000Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research.
01:42:01.000The proposal rejected by the U.S. military research agency DARPA, which, by the way, they're making robots that can think for themselves and shoot missiles.
01:42:58.000Tony Fauci, in February, beginning in February 2020, when this thing had just come out of Wuhan, shockingly, became involved in a campaign to discourage anyone from investigating the lab leak and saying that anyone who did Okay.
01:43:20.000And who was his best buddy on that campaign?
01:43:40.000So finally, the guy who was in charge of the commission said, we have to disband this because it looks like there might be an appearance of a conflict of interest.
01:44:04.000And that's why when Rand Paul confronts Fauci about it and then most recently confronted that lawyer who was responsible for calling people who believe in natural immunity inferred by previous infection, he equated those people to flat earthers.
01:44:21.000And then Fauci, or Rand Paul rather, is questioning him and talking to him about this.
01:44:49.000And it sneaks out from—he's kind of like this—you know, he's like—he wants to sort of be—to have this, like, air of science about him.
01:45:02.000And, yeah, I mean, obviously he's a smart guy.
01:46:37.000I think it's even closer to 95 to 99. I mean, there's a few people somehow, there are miracle immune systems who clear it, but it kills almost everybody.
01:46:46.000So Fauci, in the 80s, You know, there's this—it's a plague, right?
01:46:52.000And it's hurting—who's it hurting the most?
01:46:55.000It's hurting gay people and it's hurting intravenous drug users, marginalized people.
01:46:59.000So Fauci basically starts lying about that and says, you know—he wasn't the only one.
01:47:04.000But there was this idea, like, if in the public health, if we tell the truth, then no one's going to want to fund research.
01:47:58.000It's good for Anthony Fauci because all these really organized people are going to tell Congress to give him more money.
01:48:05.000And over the next few years, Fauci's budget for research goes from like $300 million to $5 billion.
01:48:13.000By the early aughts, the U.S. was spending more money on HIV research than almost anything – or more money, I should say, on his unit of the NIH than, I believe, any other unit except cancer.
01:48:30.000That's a weird statement, the early aughts.
01:48:45.000The good news is that the companies, the pharma companies, and the government researchers and academia got together and came up with treatments for HIV. We should not forget that.
01:48:56.000We basically solved HIV. Very few people in the United...
01:49:00.000Not nobody, but very few people die from this thing anymore when it killed 95% of the people who got it early on.
01:49:55.000And so basically, since February or March of 2020, the US government has been focused on vaccines as the answer to the detriment of almost everything else.
01:50:07.000And unfortunately, that would have been fine if the vaccines had worked as we hoped they would, but they don't.
01:50:14.000So it's a bunch of different factors all combining together to put us in the position we're in.
01:50:20.000It's him, it's his history, and it's also the amount of money that's generated by the propagation of these vaccines.
01:50:32.000And, you know, the ignoring of all the other possible therapeutics, including emergency use authorization ones like the monoclonal antibodies.
01:50:48.000Even to the point of ignoring the data that shows that people who have had a previous infection recovered actually have superior antibodies than people who have been vaccinated.
01:50:59.000They still are trying to require those people to get vaccinated, including people that risk their lives on the front lines.
01:51:06.000The hospital workers that got COVID, survived it, have better immunity, and now are being forced out of their jobs because they don't want to get shot.
01:51:13.000And ignoring the data that says, you know what, after a few months your antibodies go away.
01:51:17.000And ignoring the data that says we don't have, you know, we've had a dozen people or two dozen people or three dozen people with boosters and now we're going to tell the whole world to get them.
01:54:10.000It leaves like me and a few other people who are going to be the flies in the ointment who are going to be like...
01:54:16.000You know, guys, Pfizer actually only enrolled six people over 85 in this trial, and those are the people who die from COVID. So maybe we don't actually know how well the vaccines work.
01:54:26.000And VAERS is getting so badly beaten up by all the side effect reports, it keeps crashing.
01:54:33.000And maybe that actually means something.
01:54:35.000Maybe it's not just a bunch of anti-vaxxers doing it for kicks.
01:54:39.000Maybe it's actually people who've had, you know, myocarditis.
01:55:10.000So people got themselves locked in to the narrative, but what they never understood, and I say this at the end of the book, what they never understood was It wasn't.
01:55:26.000The choice is not vaccines or pandemic.
01:55:29.000The choice is normal life or pandemic.
01:55:32.000Because this thing kills probably worldwide somewhere between two and three out of every thousand people it infects.
01:55:41.000You know, in the U.S., it's a little bit more because in the U.S., you know, we're older compared to, let's say, Africa and we're fatter compared to Europe.
01:56:20.000USS Comfort, USNS Comfort, and USNS Mercy.
01:56:23.000So they pulled into New York Harbor in anticipation of an overwhelming amount of people with COVID? In New York in April 2020, a city councilman, not some rando, a city councilman said, we are going to start burying people in Central Park.
01:58:24.000I mean, you've had some controversial takes on things in the past, and that's actually how we got to know each other, where I actually agreed with you, even though I'm a marijuana enthusiast.
01:58:38.000I do know people that have had very adverse reactions to marijuana and when you had this book that came out tell your children about the dangers of marijuana there was a lot of people that were like potheads that wanted me to have you on to go after you but I was like hold on guys like this is a thing like this is a thing that I've witnessed I know people that have had psychotic episodes or schizophrenic episodes The
01:59:08.000numbers of people that have schizophrenia, it varies.
01:59:11.000I think they think it's one in a hundred, just naturally.
01:59:14.000It could be that, that we're experiencing, and marijuana enhances it.
01:59:19.000But it's certainly something that's worth discussing, and it's certainly something that, with some people, is not a good idea for them to engage in.
01:59:26.000And we had you on with Mike Hart, who's a marijuana doctor, or prescribes it.
01:59:32.000Who, by the way, is very sort of in favor of my views on COVID. Yes.
01:59:39.000I mean, I think it's hard when you go into a debate because you want to come out victorious, you have this preconceived assumption of your being correct, and you go into this thing,
01:59:55.000and I'm sure you probably expected more support from me, too.
02:00:55.000And I don't know how much of it would have happened anyway, but I do know that a large amount of it happened because of that one day.
02:01:03.000And I know of other people, too, that I think it happened to them, too.
02:01:07.000I mean, and that's, you know, I think that's what's really, certainly the cannabis industry lobby hates that idea because it's like, if there's a risk that one day you can kind of sort of break yourself and not come back, it's one thing to have like a temporary psychosis and you recover and you know what,
02:01:23.000okay, I'm not going to use again or I'm not going to use for a while.
02:01:26.000But if there's this realization that for some people we don't know how many and we don't know what the dose might be, that you can use one time at the wrong time and You know, possibly cause yourself some permanent injury and you don't get that back.
02:01:41.000Obviously, that won't be great for cannabis sales.
02:01:44.000Well, I think it's one of those things like alcohol, right?
02:02:41.000Even if it challenges my preconceived notions, even if it challenges whatever narrative that I've associated myself with, and one of those narratives is that marijuana is good, but along the way in my life, seeing some people where I think that something definitely happened to them from marijuana,
02:02:57.000Led me into this place where I would be a liar if I wasn't honest about it.
02:03:02.000And I'm not interested in being a liar.
02:03:59.000If you're dealing with a vaccine that you could get in January, and here we are, we're a good solid 10 months later, that shit is useless, right?
02:04:09.000If that's the case, if that is the case, How is that okay?
02:04:14.000How is it okay that you can have a vaccine, you can go anywhere you want, as long as you got a shot in January, but someone who got infected last month who has rock-solid antibodies can't go in there?
02:04:28.000I have a real concern about this in the slippery slope of government control.
02:04:33.000You make a great point, and I appreciate your bringing this up.
02:04:37.000So if you're vaccinated back early on, you probably, again, this is what the Israeli data suggests.
02:04:42.000This is what our breakthrough infection data suggests, even in the U.S. You probably have very little protection right now.
02:04:48.000If you got infected three months ago yourself and recovered by yourself with no vaccine, or maybe you had been previously vaccinated, it doesn't matter, you have good protection right now.
02:05:14.000And so they've decided there's too many cases, we need to get everybody vaxxed.
02:05:18.000The mayor of New York is such a buffoon.
02:05:21.000To have it come from him makes so much sense because he's such a dullard.
02:05:26.000And when he proclaims this, that we're going to do this, you know, after he's like told people they can get free vaccine or free cheeseburgers with vaccines.
02:05:35.000You see, this is not a rational decision that's based on science and based on the data, like DeSantis is making.
02:05:42.000But this is, again, this is where I come back to you and I say, I do see a sociological element in this.
02:05:47.000I see a lot of talking down to people.
02:05:49.000And you may remember, again, back February, March, April, it was, we're going to tell those idiots they can get a lottery ticket if they're vaccinated.
02:07:27.000They would all fucking fall in line for him.
02:07:29.000If they could find a guy like that with no, like, legit skeletons, you know, like no dead girls or live boys, it would be a fucking game changer.
02:07:38.000But I mean, I think he was amazing in that character, but as the host of a talk show, he's just different.
02:07:46.000I mean, maybe he's older and he sees things differently.
02:07:50.000The left has beat the stuffing out of humor.
02:07:57.000I'm only right-wing on some personal freedoms and guns and a few other things, and the military, in support of the military, and support of police.
02:08:06.000I'm very right-wing on that, but I'm very pro-choice.
02:08:37.000It's going to get struck down, I think.
02:08:40.000One can only hope because my thought on any of these like ridiculous overreach things is they make people swing in the other direction and I think it's good to have Texas red I think and again this is coming from someone who's very liberal but I think that there's certain there's a certain rigidity and a certain like discipline and like respect for law that's involved in the right That we're really slipping on in these blue states.
02:09:10.000And when I see all the chaos that happens in a lot of these blue cities like San Francisco, allowing people to just go into stores and steal $900 worth of shit and run out, like, it doesn't work.
02:13:27.000And that includes, you know, indecent or, you know, prurient.
02:13:34.000There's certain specific statutory language or otherwise objectionable.
02:13:38.000It includes that language, otherwise objectionable, which is not defined, even if it's constitutionally protected.
02:13:45.000OK. So, you take those two things together.
02:13:49.000Now, the first part has been interpreted in a way that clearly was not intended by the people who wrote the law, which is what people have said is Even though, basically, I get all the protections of the law and I get to make publishing decisions.
02:16:16.000Although I never told people, and I've actually been on Tucker, and I think I was on with you back in December, didn't say people shouldn't get vaccinated if they're older, certainly.
02:16:42.000So, back in the day, you had to, you know, first you had to threaten people, then maybe we'll take off some racists, then we'll take off some people who are inciting law breaking.
02:16:53.000We'll take off whoever the hell we want.
02:16:55.000We'll take off a guy who used to write for the New York Times, who's actually quoting real studies and real data that's coming out of all parts of the world.
02:18:21.000Another would be if they made assurances to me, executives at Twitter, or an executive at Twitter, made assurances to me based on conversations via email that we had.
02:18:31.000And I will tell you, we had conversations via email.
02:19:00.000You know, there was a lot of controversy around what I was saying.
02:19:03.000And it increased when I started to criticize the vaccines.
02:19:06.000And my account became, you know, more and more viewed over the summer.
02:19:11.000But for several months, okay, for several months, anyone at Twitter, and, you know, they're going to pay attention to accounts that get 10 million impressions a day or 5 million impressions a day.
02:19:33.000They did sometimes label, they labeled some tweets as misleading, which in my opinion, and maybe if we get to a court, we'll see, those tweets were not misleading.
02:19:43.000But Twitter took no action against me for those tweets.
02:19:49.000On June 15th, 2021, the Press Secretary of the United States and the Surgeon General of the United States Called on social media services to begin enforcing rules about misinformation, including Facebook and Twitter.
02:20:06.000So they mentioned platforms, not just one.
02:20:09.000Facebook is the main platform and Twitter is the second main platform.
02:20:14.000On July 16th, 2021, the President of the United States was asked a question about Facebook and vaccines, and he said they're killing people.
02:20:26.000I think it was actually Facebook and other platforms, and he said they're killing people.
02:20:31.000And the same day, Jen Psaki, the Press Secretary of the United States, again repeated that platforms needed to take enforcement action.
02:20:43.000July 16, 2021 is the first time Twitter suspended me.
02:20:48.000So, we'll see if a court wants to decide whether the U.S. government put undue pressure on Twitter and whether Twitter was acting as a state actor.
02:21:36.000Beyond that, there are legal doctrines.
02:21:39.000And again, because the companies have gotten so fat and happy with 230, and they've gotten so protected from it, and they've become more and more aggressive about deplatforming people.
02:21:50.000There's now lawyers who are concerned about this, and they are looking at various legal doctrines, precedents that would raise the question of whether or not 230 is being misapplied and over-applied.
02:22:05.000And you actually saw some of this last week.
02:22:08.000Former President Trump filed a request for a preliminary injunction against Twitter so he could get back on the service.
02:22:15.000And he raised the question of some precedence from cases that are decades old.
02:22:30.000I frankly think that my claims are stronger than his because of some of the specifics of the timing and the specifics of my communications with Twitter.
02:22:42.000And if I'm going to bring one, I want to bring it in a way that is likely to win.
02:22:45.000Now, if he has a case and his case gets out there first and by some miracle they wind up reinstating him on Twitter, then your case becomes stronger.
02:23:54.000It's a very short-sighted approach because it's extremely dangerous to just start censoring people for many reasons, but one of the big ones is that you deny the value of discourse.
02:24:10.000Deny the value of debate and of good speech winning out over bad speech.
02:24:19.000When you have people that are saying things that are wrong or that you disagree with, the greatest power is someone to come along who is more intellectual, more articulate, more convincing, that has an argument that's grounded in facts.
02:24:35.000And it's not going to convince everybody.
02:24:37.000But you're going to convince enough people that it's going to be valuable to have that debate, and then overall, our body of knowledge and our understanding of this, whatever issue they're debating and discussing, it becomes enhanced.
02:24:51.000When you silence people that disagree with something or people that have opposing views, then you just live in an echo chamber.
02:24:58.000And you also, you're going to galvanize all the people that are on the opposing side, because now they're going to realize that not only can they not discuss it, but they've been completely silenced, and their perspective is never heard from again,
02:25:14.000so then they just try to find other places to go to.
02:25:17.000Well, and it breeds conspiracy theories.
02:25:19.000And it breeds, you know, when people are only talking to each other, they're going to naturally sort of pursue the wildest possible avenues.
02:25:27.000At least with the news, there's Fox, right?
02:27:50.000I mean, to me, the whole article was broadly wrong, but I actually address it in the book.
02:27:57.000So, look, when I worked for the New York Times, before that, when I was a reporter, quote-unquote, real reporter, you know, for major news organizations, If you're going to write about somebody, you have an obligation to run all your important questions by them.
02:28:30.000The harder you're going to hit them, the more responsibility you have to make sure they know what your questions are and to give them a chance to answer factually.
02:28:39.000And then you should consider those answers, okay?
02:28:48.000That's what journalism used to be, Joe.
02:28:50.000What has happened in the last, one of the many terrible things that's happened in the last five years is it's a gotcha game, but it isn't even really a gotcha game.
02:28:59.000It's like this guy sent me one round of questions, and I knew immediately upon reading them, and I also knew it was The Atlantic, which I'd been writing about on Twitter as being totally wrong for months and months.
02:29:10.000I knew immediately that he was out to get me.
02:29:12.000Nonetheless, I answered those questions in full.
02:29:16.000And if he'd had more questions for me, I would have answered those too.
02:30:00.000Back then, now my worries are about the duration of protection as much as anything else.
02:30:05.000But back then, I had two main concerns about the vaccines, which I expressed very clearly in a booklet, in a 14,000-word booklet that came out a few days before that piece ran.
02:30:17.000They were that the side effect profile looked much worse than other vaccines.
02:30:22.000And that the companies had not enrolled the right people in the clinical trial, so we didn't really know how protective the vaccines were.
02:31:19.000If you don't do this before they ban you, because it seemed pretty clear they were going to try to ban me at some point by August, you're going to have a hard time doing this after you ban you.
02:34:24.000Think of it at best as a therapeutic with a limited window of efficacy and terrible side effect profile that must be diagnosed in advance of illness.
02:37:18.000So in other words, if your antibodies got to, I'm just going to make up a number, 1,000 units per milliliter of blood, how protected were you compared to if your antibodies only got to 10 units per milliliter of blood?
02:37:34.000And we knew some vaccines are better at getting your antibodies to go really high than others.
02:37:43.000On how quickly that would decline and at what point would you be vulnerable again, okay?
02:37:54.000But they also had to guess where you're going to get this B and T cell immunity, this long-term immunity, and they didn't know that either.
02:38:00.000Long story short, there's a paper that became sort of the seminal paper on this, and it suggested that at 95% initial immunity, You would have really good protection for at least nine months.
02:38:15.000You'd still be, I think, in the 80% plus range after nine months.
02:38:20.000And then, assuming that there was some argument among virologists and stuff, does it flatten out there?
02:39:28.000Why would you say in May we could eliminate this?
02:39:30.000And three months later, three months, you're telling people they have to get boosters.
02:39:35.000You said it because you made a mistake.
02:39:37.000The question that I think we should all ask is, did the companies know more?
02:39:43.000Were the companies looking at their data internally in January and February and March from the clinical trials, unpublished data, and maybe saying, you know what, we're seeing that the antibodies go away more quickly than we thought.
02:39:59.000And we're seeing some rate of breakthrough infections in these people.
02:40:04.000Or were the companies sort of eating their own cooking and they didn't know either?
02:40:08.000And if we had real investigative reporters in the United States, This would be a great question.
02:40:14.000Just like the question about why Pfizer, why last year people were saying, oh, you know what?
02:40:21.000This is going to be for the good of humanity.
02:40:22.000No one's going to make any money off these.
02:40:24.000And this year, it turns out these are the most profitable pharmaceutical products ever invented.
02:41:46.000You know, I have this loyal audience and I have 150,000 people who are signed up for Substack and a fraction of those people are subscribing enough that I don't really have to worry about money right now.
02:41:57.000I mean, you know, so that's a good thing.
02:42:03.000But you're a sort of persona non grata in these mainstream publications now, like the Washington Post or the New York Times or the Los Angeles Times.
02:42:13.000Yeah, they go out of their way to attend.
02:42:17.000There's a few people at those places who I can still talk to, but they're not willing to write anything defending me.
02:42:23.000But we can still have backchannel conversations.
02:42:27.000But somebody emailed me, a former reporter actually emailed me a few weeks ago and said, do you have a lot of people in the business who are talking to you, telling you, I think you're right?
02:42:46.000My hidden support's in the scientific and medical communities.
02:42:49.000I get so many emails with tips and stuff.
02:42:53.000You know, if I write—if I put up on my Substack about a paper that came out or something, it's quite likely that somebody tipped me to that.
02:43:01.000And those people, the scientists and the doctors, there's a lot of them who have a lot of very serious questions about it.
02:43:08.000But they're afraid to ask them publicly!
02:43:11.000And that's where it gets really crazy is people who it's their field of expertise and they don't want to discuss it.
02:43:18.000And I think the only thing that would turn this around is if the attitude of the social media sites changed and they encouraged open discourse on that.
02:43:29.000It would have to be some monumental change in the narrative.
02:43:36.000Some shift where we realize, oh, okay, this is what's going on.
02:44:29.000Yeah, some Eastern European troll farm.
02:44:31.000Yeah, I mean, this is a giant part of the problem, is that these people in these, whatever these troll farms are, they want us to be at each other's throats.
02:45:06.000Somebody was saying to me, if you live in Texas, or you live in a rural part of a blue state, you've probably been living your life pretty normally for the last 12 months plus.
02:46:20.000And then they shut down outdoor dining.
02:46:24.000My friend has a brother who works for the state and was in the room when they were making these decisions and he said there's no data to support.
02:46:34.000But listen, he said this to the woman who made the decision.
02:46:37.000There's no data to support transmission in outdoor dining.
02:46:45.000The answer was it's all about optics, which is a fucking insanely calloused answer to someone when you're saying something that's going to shut down people's business, kill their livelihood.
02:46:55.000The number of people that had their lives devastated by that one decision.
02:47:00.000By a woman, by the way, the same woman in Los Angeles went to eat at a restaurant the day she shut it down.
02:47:06.000Well, that's the question that, you know, and you saw this with the San Francisco mayor who, you know, she got caught, or London Breed got caught not wearing a mask and then made this comment about the fun police.
02:47:16.000And so you do, that kind of makes you wonder, are they as scared as they're pretending to be and as scared as they want to make everyone else be?
02:48:31.000And I hate saying that because I don't want to say it like that these people are jackbooted thugs that are taking advantage of the situation to control people.
02:48:41.000But what I'm saying is it is human nature.
02:48:45.000To change the way your perceptions of someone, if you're in a position where whether you've been bestowed this power by the state or by whatever the fuck it is, a higher power, if you think you have control and power over other people, then you exercise it.
02:49:15.000It's very weird that they're- Well, not only that, it's anti-science.
02:49:19.000Have you seen the woman who's their head, the medical lady, who said that vaccines are better than natural infection and that you just have to get used to getting vaccines and boosters and constant vaccines?
02:49:29.000There's no science behind what she's saying.
02:50:15.000Whether it's diabetes or cancer, heart disease or obesity, or, you know, there's a whole host of these comorbidities, but four, and at 95, so the vast amount of people who died from COVID, 95% of them had four other things that were killing them.
02:51:06.000All I'm saying is when you actually understand who's getting sick and dying from this, it doesn't make a bit of sense.
02:51:12.000Well, what it gets to me is when I have these conversations with people, when they start talking about it like it's a boogeyman, when it's going to get you, and then I tell them, I've had it!
02:52:14.000And the people who are, again, I talk about this in the book, it's crazy.
02:52:18.000The people who are the angriest are the people who for 15, not 15, for 30 years have been saying, you know what, you use drugs, it can cause consequences, we will help you.
02:52:29.000You don't take care of your body, you eat too much, we will help you.
02:52:33.000But if you choose not to get vaccinated, go to hell.
02:52:37.000Well, the narrative is that you are not contributing to the greater good of the community.
02:52:44.000The greater good of the community means you get vaccinated.
02:52:46.000But my perception is the greater good of the community is you take care of yourself, be healthy, and don't be a strain on the healthcare system.
02:52:52.000Let's go all the way back to the data from the UK. Vaccinated people are being infected just as frequently, which means that they are most likely transmitting this just as frequently.
02:53:03.000That's another narrative that's shifted, too, because initially they were saying that if you are vaccinated and you have a so-called breakthrough case, which is Very, very rare, which is not rare at all.
02:53:14.000But when they were saying it was very, very rare, they were saying that you're carrying less of the virus.
02:53:33.000It's not enough to keep you from having very high viral loads, but it is enough for some people from getting very sick with those viral loads.
02:53:42.000So they're just out and about in the community.
02:54:49.000Listen, man, this is what this podcast is all about.
02:54:51.000I mean, the reason why I want to have you on, first of all, I enjoyed having you on in the past.
02:54:56.000I think you are grossly misrepresented and because you are a courageous person who's willing to buck the trend of being a propagandist for this system, the way that's running, you know, this narrative that you can't vary from no matter what and you shift The narrative shifts according to what's happening.
02:55:21.000So it pretends that, oh, we always knew that you could still get sick.
02:57:45.000But that's nothing like 90 or 95 percent.
02:57:48.000Okay, they say 3 percent—oh, go back one slide—3 percent breakthrough rate, meaning you have a 3 in 100 percent chance already of being infected if you're vaccinated.
02:57:59.000Pfizer said that over a one-year period they believed it was 7 percent.
03:00:18.000You have to think this is how many people have gotten infected based on what it would be like if you were vaccinated five to six months versus what would it be like three to four months.
03:00:31.000But what it doesn't show is unvaccinated.
03:01:43.000Nobody ever gets infected, whether 100% of people are vaccinated or 80 or whatever.
03:01:47.000Now you go to the other case, if vaccine effectiveness is zero, then the percentage of people who get sick exactly matches the percentage of people who are vaccinated.
03:01:58.000So if 50% of people are vaccinated, then 50% of the people who get sick are vaccinated.
03:02:03.000So they're comparing, and then between zero and 100, you can calculate what the percentage of vaccinated people getting sick will be.
03:02:12.000So they tested, they checked that against the fact that they know that 80% of their people in their group, which is basically people over 65, are fully vaccinated.
03:02:24.000So if 80% of people were fully vaccinated and the vaccine were 90% effective, you'd still have some cases of people getting sick after vaccination, but it'd be like 20%.
03:02:34.000Instead, what you're seeing is that 71% of people We're good to go.
03:03:02.00060% of people in this group who were hospitalized with COVID were vaccinated.
03:03:13.000And what they're saying to you is that that still shows some level of vaccine protection because you would expect if vaccines were totally useless, you'd get to 80% being in the hospital.
03:03:24.000Instead, you have 60% in the hospital.
03:03:26.000So they're saying, well, the vaccine looks like it still does some good.
03:04:28.000There's never been a time where you could report on something honestly that is a public health concern, and because of that, you would be ostracized, you'd be kicked out of the town square, which is what Twitter really is.
03:04:40.000I'm sure you probably agree with me that it should be regulated in some way, where it could...
03:04:44.000Or it should be completely unregulated.
03:04:46.000Well, I mean regulated in some way that you treat it like a utility, where it's a basic human right to be able to express yourself.
03:05:11.000But I feel like you should be able to express yourself.
03:05:13.000I feel like it's no different than talking.
03:05:14.000At this point, it's a part of being a human being.
03:05:17.000The way people talk on Twitter is very similar to the way people talk amongst friends when no one's listening.
03:05:24.000There's a weird thing that's happening where we're accepting the idea of silencing people from expressing their self in a way that Is arguably one of the most important methods of expression that's ever existed.
03:05:38.000This is one of the most amazing creations.
03:08:34.000They now have a thing where you can report things to this.
03:08:38.000They encouraged users to report stuff.
03:08:42.000I mean, it has – again, as I've been preparing for this potential legal action, I've gone back and sort of looked at how their policies have changed and how they're – and at each step, they've become more controlling.
03:08:54.000So for a while, you could say whatever you wanted.
03:08:58.000Then it was – you could say that masks don't work, but as long as you don't tell people to violate sort of local laws against masks, okay, like I don't – I'm with you.
03:09:08.000I'm basically a free speech absolutist unless it's like, you know, again.
03:09:12.000Again, something's going to harm people.
03:09:15.000But I get that Twitter doesn't want the service if they feel like they don't want it to be used to encourage people to break the law.
03:09:23.000But then they tighten the restrictions again where it was just if you're presenting factual information and saying as a fact masks don't work, which I said many times on their website, you can get in trouble for that.
03:09:35.000Now, one of the things, if the lawsuit was forwarded that I would like them to answer is, why was I able to say that for so many months?
03:09:41.000But suddenly, when Psaki and Biden and Vivek Murthy told them they needed to do something different, they did it.
03:09:59.000I've got to record the audiobook, but Regnery, which is a conservative publisher because my old publishers, I mean, I'm actually really happy to have Regnery because they've been 100% in my corner in a way that a mainstream publisher might not be at this point.
03:10:14.000But, you know, my old publisher, Simon& Schuster, and my previous publisher to that, Random House and Putnam, they would not publish me.
03:11:45.000I mean, how you can say with a straight face masks telling people not to wear masks is dangerous when the whole country's been wearing them for the last 18 months and it's made zero difference to the course of this epidemic.
03:11:57.000So you don't think that masks confer any protection?
03:12:36.000It's not clear, because people still get infected.
03:12:39.000In other words, if the minimum dose of infection is 10,000 viral particles, and I as an infected person am breathing out a million viral particles per breath, and the mask keeps 20% of those particles in,
03:13:01.000I'm at 800,000 and it still only takes 10,000 to infect you.
03:13:05.000So you're going to get sick whether I'm wearing the mask or not.
03:13:09.000But if it protects, like maybe there's like a fence, like an edge where it protects or doesn't protect.
03:13:20.000There's a theoretical case to be made there?
03:13:22.000But if that theoretical case gets distributed over a population of 350 million people...
03:13:27.000Yeah, you get a lot of dirty masks thrown in parking lots.
03:13:30.000You also get a lot of people that don't get infected that maybe would have.
03:15:38.000The problem is something has to be done once that window's been established and people are safe, then maybe it's the Merck drug or whether they do tests and prove that it's ivermectin or something else.
03:15:50.000There's a Pfizer drug as well, correct?
03:16:10.000Because there's more treatments out there.
03:16:12.000So if the vaccines are just delaying, even if they don't work forever, if they delay for six months or a year, is it worth the aggravation to get people vaccinated?
03:16:22.000Well, there is a friend of a friend who is an older person who just got COVID very recently, and they were fully vaccinated, and they were very sick.
03:16:35.000And they got the monoclonal antibodies, and within 24 hours, they started feeling much better.
03:16:40.00036 hours later, they felt really good.
03:16:52.000There wouldn't be a vaccine, and there wouldn't also be the monoclonal antibodies, and also an understanding of what to do and not to do, like not put people on ventilators, that kind of stuff.
03:17:01.000So the argument, okay, delaying is a good thing, and the vaccines are delaying, let's go with that.
03:17:31.000But we don't know what the risk really is.
03:17:36.000And when you say we don't know what the risk really is, when viruses in general, when they mutate, don't they tend to become less virulent but more contagious?
03:19:26.000Yeah, they start talking crazy and then they start bringing up stories about billionaires that met at some summit in the early 2000s and talked about having to reduce the population of the world.