In this episode, the brother and sister duo of the sit down with their good friend and former professional golfer Jameis Winston to talk about his journey to recovery from a major injury and how he's found a new passion in jiu-jitsu. They also talk about what it's like to be a pro golfer and talk about some of the crazy things they do to prepare for a round of golf and how much money it takes to get to where they want to go in the game. We also get into Jameys struggles with his weight and how to get the most out of his injuries and how they've affected his life in general. And, of course, they talk about how he s recovered from his recent injury and what he s doing to get back into the swing of jiu jitsu and get back on the golf swing. Enjoy the episode and don t forget to subscribe on your favorite streaming platform so you don t miss the next episode! If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! and tell a friend about what you think of our podcast! We ll be looking out for you in the future episodes! Timestamps: 3:00 - What's your favorite jiujitsu artist? 4:30 - What s your favorite piece of food you ve eaten? 5:15 - What are you looking forward to eating next? 6:20 - What do you would like to see me eat next week? 7:00 8: How much money would you like to eat? 9:00- What s the worst thing you ve done in the past day? 11:40 - How do you plan on getting back? 12:30- What would you want to eat in the next 5 days? 13:40- What is your favorite meal? 15:00 What s something you re going to be doing in a new place? 16:00 Do you have a tattoo? 17:00 Is there a tattoo that you re looking for? 18:00 Can I get a tattoo or something like that? 19:00 Would you like me to get a new tattoo or a new piece of art that s a tattoo ? 21:00 Are you looking for a tattoo I ve already got a tattoo of something like this? 22:00 How much do you like it?
00:00:41.000Well, yeah, like every time you go out, it's, you know, depending on the course you play, it's anywhere between like 80 and 150 bucks every time you go play.
00:00:48.000And if you suck like I do, you're losing, you know, a dozen golf balls every time you play as well.
00:02:44.000So, typically, like when a tendon tears, it's kind of like a piece of paper, throw a couple of stitches in it, and then, you know, anchor it into the bone.
00:02:51.000The doctor, first thing he said when I woke up was, so, when I opened up your arm, I literally had to take a step back and rethink everything I was going to do, because it was that much worse.
00:05:25.000Because before that even happened, there was a cover band literally touring and made more money than the band Sublime had ever made touring, just as a cover band.
00:05:35.000So I think they sort of realized the business was there.
00:09:49.000Just my body naturally produces a lot of scar tissue.
00:09:52.000So that was something we battled actually because I was producing too much scar tissue too early in the rehab process that was actually hindering The range of motion gains that I was supposed to be getting.
00:12:05.000I think it was like, well, the first time he did it, he's done it a couple times, 27 in 27 days, and it was like way more than that, and I'll check.
00:13:04.000Yeah, so he figured out, or his body figured out how to adapt and change.
00:13:08.000And I gotta think, with someone like you, Just lifting gigantic shit all the time like everything must be weird in you like your tendons are probably weird You know it's like if someone like went over like you like if they had like a class on Physiology and they had to like examine the human body and you were dead and they would go well They would be like this is an unusual example.
00:13:30.000Let's take a look at this motherfucker Like everything like your joints and you I bet your bones are probably crazy super dense.
00:13:36.000Yeah Have you ever had them, like, tested?
00:13:56.000But, like, I wonder how much of it is, like, your skeleton and how much of it is, like, the density of the tissue and, like, how much adaptation actually takes place.
00:14:44.000They kind of noticed that, you know, he's kind of a chubby, awkward kid that's not terribly athletic, so let's just put him on a barbell and see how much he can lift.
00:14:51.000Luckily, it worked out pretty well for me.
00:14:54.000But, I mean, to be fair, like, I still sucked at strongman when I started, too.
00:14:57.000Like, I did my first competition on about four days' notice.
00:15:00.000Had never lift a single strongman implement in my life.
00:15:03.000Got my ass kicked, but, like, loved it because it was so weird and just so different from anything I've ever done.
00:15:09.000Yeah, the one that weirds me out the most is when they throw the barrels.
00:15:36.000There was actually a video that, you know, all these gym fail pages and stuff like that.
00:15:41.000There was one, we're doing sandbag tosses now, so it's these small sandbags.
00:15:45.000And this girl threw one up in the air and she has her arm raised and she's celebrating and the bed comes down around her head like a necklace and just clotheslines her to the floor.
00:15:56.000Luckily she was okay but it was really funny to watch.
00:15:58.000But I hear that and I see a video like that I just think blown out discs and years of physical therapy and never being the same again and oh I'm fine but she's not fine.
00:16:15.000I would say my left arm is probably 75-80%.
00:16:18.000I'm closing in on a 400-pound overhead again after a year of rehab and stuff like that.
00:16:24.000But to be honest, this entire year from the time of this tricep has just been shitty health-wise for me because about four and a half months ago, I got testicular cancer.
00:18:11.000So this, I go in on a Tuesday for my ultrasound.
00:18:14.000Then they're like, okay, well, you need to go to an oncologist, right?
00:18:18.000So I was like, okay, well, that's like, never having cancer or anything, that's probably the weirdest and most emotional phone call to make, right?
00:18:27.000Like when you're like, well, shit, I'm 29, I have to schedule an oncology appointment.
00:19:50.000So, like, testicular cancer can grow at an insanely high rate.
00:19:54.000Dudes all across the world right now are checking their nuts.
00:19:56.000Yeah, I mean, I will say, like, the coolest thing is, like, you know, I kind of put everything out there on social media, you know, between YouTube and Instagram and stuff like that.
00:20:04.000And the coolest thing was just, like, I shared my story about it because, like, I never thought I'd be going through this.
00:20:10.000And just kind of saying like, this is what I found.
00:20:17.000I had like legit five or six people find out that they had testicular cancer because I was just kind of candid with what I was going through.
00:21:12.000So, like, that's why they act so fast on it.
00:21:15.000So, like, before I even had surgery, like, I had to get a CT scan, like, with the dye and everything to make sure there was no metastasis or anything like that.
00:24:33.000You know, now it's just like going through, you know, so luckily I didn't have to do chemo or radiation or anything like that because it was stage one.
00:24:39.000So now it's just like we're doing what's called active monitoring.
00:24:44.000Why can't they just take the piece of the nut that's fucked?
00:24:47.000Because it's one organ, so they just have to take everything out.
00:27:16.000They say that, and I don't know if this is accurate, but they say that ketogenic diets are very good for preventing cancer because there's something about cancer needing glucose to grow, whereas ketones, cancer doesn't grow on ketones,
00:27:34.000Yeah, I mean, it makes sense, you know, like, you think fat grows with glucose, so why wouldn't something else that's a little bit more anabolic?
00:27:48.000When you do that kind of work, I mean, is there anybody that tries to follow a keto diet that does powerlifting or strongman type stuff like you?
00:28:45.000It's the easiest way to get the calories and the nutrients in, right?
00:28:49.000And then, like, fortunately, you know, because of what we do and the energy expenditure and, like, the time our workouts take, like, we usually get, most guys get a couple of cheat meals a week.
00:28:58.000That's why we don't look like bodybuilders.
00:29:00.000Like, we eat relatively clean, but in order to keep up with what we're doing, you know, I mean, shit, sometimes my workouts take like six hours that I'm at the gym.
00:33:03.000If you're going to study someone and you want to find real freaks, like the World's Strongest Man, those strongman competitions, that's some of the freakiest humans alive, right?
00:34:02.000I think he's here right now, because he was at Onnit Gym, and he put up video of him hitting the pads, and I have to say, like, he's doing everything right.
00:34:15.000But it's interesting because he's learning how to box, because he's having these boxing matches, but the way he's doing it is very intelligent.
00:34:56.000And the way you get efficient is by repetition with proper technique and learning how to, you know, hit paths with proper technique.
00:35:05.000And, you know, when I first saw him doing that, I was like, oh, my God, imagine going from being strongman and being the mountain on Game of Thrones...
00:35:13.000To trying to box, like this is so awkward.
00:37:04.000Yeah, but now he's like throwing his shoulders in and moving his hips.
00:37:08.000He's still big as fuck, but he's lost some weight.
00:37:13.000I feel like none of us strongmen are ever going to be small.
00:37:16.000Right, for the rest of your life, probably.
00:37:17.000When you get to this level, I think you're just like, you know, I look at my life and I'm like, yeah, probably the lightest it'll ever be is like 230 to 240. People are always coming to you to open the mayonnaise jar.
00:38:12.000We've been working on it for a little while.
00:38:14.000My business partner and I have kind of been, we kind of put our heads together and, you know, honestly, like taking what you were saying and like, how do we build this sport to something bigger?
00:38:24.000And we decided to kind of start from the grassroots, right?
00:38:27.000So Strongman Corporation, it's the largest amateur and professional organization in the world for Strongman.
00:38:31.000Like, just over 12, around 12,000 members worldwide.
00:39:50.000Yeah, that's one of my favorites, the car pull.
00:39:52.000Yeah, so that's an event the Hercules hold, and instead of just doing two pillars, they put two cars on ramps, and it's like, you know what, we're gonna take the brakes off, just hold them together.
00:40:00.000Yeah, the cars are rolling back, and he's holding it as much as possible.
00:40:04.000You want to see a fucking insanely strong person?
00:40:07.000You know that girl, we've showed her on the podcast before, that really tiny girl, Stephanie Millinger?
00:40:12.000She's really tiny, and she's an incredible, like, contortionist, and her balance is insane, and she hangs off the side of cliffs and stuff and does, like, one-hand presses, like, literally with her feet dangling off cliffs.
00:40:47.000What she's doing, folks, the people listening, she's got these, like, dip bars, like, individual bars, but she's balancing them on their edges, and then she does a press.
00:40:57.000Oh, the cat was underneath the dip bar.
00:42:29.000But I mean, still, that's an extra 70 pounds on top of her, which when you think like percentage of body weight, how much does she probably weigh?
00:42:48.000I have the Sorenex system in my house, and they have the big rubber plates that are 10s, and they look super impressive, but they're really only 10 pounds.
00:43:40.000Yeah, the numbers on one side of the plate.
00:43:44.000It's crazy, like, she doesn't have that on her page, because that's, like, one of the most impressive fucking things I've ever seen in her life.
00:43:52.000Yeah, I mean, that's, if you take, like, peak human performance with, you know, that kind of flexibility and balance and take it, because she does it with these really, like, life-risking moves, like hanging over cliffs and shit.
00:45:10.000Like for me, I'd be like, you know, I'd wake up, like my husband would go off to work and I'd be like, all right, like I'll go to gym around 11 and like a workout that should only take me two hours took me like four because I was bullshitting a lot of the time.
00:45:50.000And most of the days work until about 5.30, but on game nights sometimes I work until 9. And I'll get my training in either in the morning or in the evening, but it's like I know I only have a certain amount of time to do it, so I need to make the most of that time and maximize my workout.
00:46:57.000You know, like I look at my game schedule for the week of the games that I have to cover and practices and stuff like that and just kind of plan backwards around that and I'm good.
00:47:06.000Is there any benefit in helping people and training people?
00:47:09.000Because when I was doing Taekwondo, one of the things that I noticed is that I got a lot better when I was teaching.
00:47:15.000Yeah, so I guess like there's a common misconception is like as an athletic trainer, I'm like I'm a healthcare professional.
00:47:21.000So I'm the guy that goes out onto the field when somebody gets hurt.
00:47:46.000Based on the time that We have, you know, the kids are in school during the day, and then the afternoon is all sports practice and stuff like that, and I have to be out there, you know, like I said, at a football practice in case somebody gets hurt, which most of the time somebody does, and I have to take care of it.
00:48:01.000So when those kids have, like, say at football teams, when those kids have a practice, they just basically have a practice a day.
00:48:07.000Do they have any weight room sessions?
00:49:11.000And then, oh, now you are sick, but you have to pay another four grand before we even kick in anything towards you.
00:49:17.000You know, so it's like I'm paying 400 bucks a month for my health insurance.
00:49:20.000Now I have to pay another four grand guaranteed every year now for the next few years because of how expensive blood work and CT scans are and how often I have to take them.
00:49:53.000And I remember when, you know, they were talking about insurance in California...
00:50:00.000Like when the fires went down, like how many insurance companies just went under and just were fucked because they didn't really have the money to pay for all the houses that they insured?
00:54:27.000I remember I was reading about these guys that were doing Strongman-type shit and powerlifting shit.
00:54:34.000And it was in this article and this guy was giving advice about how to get into it.
00:54:38.000And one of the things that he said is get a job that where it requires you to do manual labor.
00:54:44.000Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of guys, like one of my previous coaches, Derek Poundstone, he, like, was a mason for years before he became a cop, right?
00:54:53.000And that just, like, builds up stupid kind of grip and forearm strength and just, like, you know, like some of the strongest people that I know, like, there was actually a guy, Mike Burke, who was a pro strongman.
00:55:05.000I think he was able to carry, I think he was, like, six 2x4s in one hand.
00:55:31.000I did construction and I worked on a wheelchair ramp at a Knights of Columbus Hall.
00:55:37.000And the entire time I worked there, all we did was carry bags of cement and pressure-treated lumber.
00:55:43.000And I quit after a couple months, but I remember it was a huge lesson to me, first of all, that I never want a job like that, and that people do get jobs like that and they stick with them for life.
01:00:41.000So, like, if you're fighting and you're, you know, in an arm bar or something hurts, like, you're going to do whatever it takes to get out of that position.
01:00:48.000So is that why dudes slap their chest?
01:01:01.000She'll just stand there and just wail on his face before he goes four or five times, and then he lays down and Bench presses, 700 pounds.
01:01:09.000Clay Guida and his brother, Clay Guida fought in the UFC. He still fights in the UFC, but he's fought in the UFC for a long time.
01:01:14.000And his brother would bring him up to the cage, and then right before he would go in the cage, his brother would smack him in the face like a bunch of times.
01:02:25.000I mean, it wouldn't be good for lifting the heaviest weight, but I do like to get high and lift.
01:02:29.000So there's a lot of bodybuilders that'll take sativa prior to working out, just a little dose, because it does help that mind-muscle connection.
01:02:38.000Guys feel like they can focus a lot more on what they're doing in the gym.
01:02:42.000For me, yeah, it would just fuck me up too much, man.
01:04:11.000Can just like squat below parallel, no problem, just have no issues whatsoever.
01:04:15.000But he's like worked in those range of motions for years, right?
01:04:18.000And he has the strength at those end ranges, whereas like I just don't.
01:04:21.000And getting to the point where I can hit those, you know, those ranges of motion and stay strong, I think would take away from where I'm at right now.
01:04:30.000There's only so much time in a day, and the resources that you would use to recover from all that kind of stuff, you could be using to recover from the powerlifting moves.
01:04:39.000Yeah, and it would take away from my training.
01:04:43.000Devoting an hour to mobility a day, an hour's a long time.
01:04:47.000So to be able to do that while working, while training, and the gym I go to is 45 minutes away from my house, so it's not like I'm close.
01:04:55.000Do you have any weightlifting shit at your house?
01:05:15.000Yeah, it's going to be really nice to be able to come home and just hit my squat session or bench workout and stuff like that when I'm at home and not have to spend almost another two hours in the car that day.
01:05:32.000But they set up this gym at my house, and if I know that I have to leave in an hour, I can just run into the gym, get 45 minutes in, full tilt, shower up, and I'm good.
01:05:46.000That's giant, because otherwise it just wouldn't get done, because I wouldn't have the time to get to the gym.
01:06:05.000Do some wild shit with a medicine ball.
01:06:07.000So I'm excited to have that stuff at my house now where I can go down and just crush some shit and just have to walk upstairs to shower now.
01:06:53.000It's like a life-changing experience because as you're doing these poses, it's like you're feeling your tissues stretch out and then, you know...
01:07:02.000I do the hot yoga too, so you have to deal with your shit because you want to quit.
01:07:07.000Are you like a sativa guy, indica, hybrid?
01:08:52.000Yeah, no, I'd love they'd send us a whole rack out there with you know the handheld massagers and I love that rollers that massage Yeah, that's big.
01:09:02.000Yeah, and then like I try to get like regular body work done as often as possible, right?
01:09:06.000Like deep tissue like fascial stretch therapy stuff like that No for someone to do that to you that has to be a fucking event.
01:09:14.000It's a chore What kind of person do you get that does the deep tissue?
01:09:19.000So the guy that works on me, he's been a buddy of mine for a long time.
01:09:23.000He actually works with the New York Rangers.
01:14:29.000It's a lot of non-English speaking people who have like, you know, zero posts and like four followers, you know, like, because I mean, I will say like, I'll creep on their pages and be like, who is this asshole?
01:14:55.000I've had it explained to me by several different people, and I'm trying not to fuck this up, but Rene DiResta was one of the ones that explained it the best.
01:15:03.000There's these troll farms, particularly in Russia, and they have them in Macedonia.
01:15:11.000Out of the top 20 Facebook Christian pages, 19 of them were run by troll farms.
01:15:22.000So all these pages that people think that they're getting in debates about whether or not abortion should be right, they're run by these troll farms in Eastern Europe.
01:15:32.000And what they're trying to do is get people to argue.
01:16:13.000And they will use their comments and they'll comment on like Christian pages or, you know, like people who want to bring back the fucking rebel flag, like that kind of shit.
01:16:22.000And then they'll get them to go to their page and talk shit.
01:16:25.000And it's like this little cat and mouse game.
01:16:53.000She said she found hundreds of thousands of posts, and there was thousands and thousands of pages that they were confirmed that had been run by these troll farms.
01:17:05.000And hundreds of thousands of memes that she said were really funny.
01:17:08.000Like, some of these memes, like, you would read the memes, and it's hilarious.
01:17:12.000So, like, I think that with someone like you, who's an outspoken, you know, successful powerlifter, but also, like, proudly gay, They would use you as a person to attack because people would defend you and then people would see what they're doing and then it would cause this kind of friction and tension.
01:17:40.000It'd be nice to find out what's what, like who's who with these things, because I think there's quite a bit of them.
01:17:47.000I know anything political, anything that has to do with COVID-19 or anything that has to do with elections and anything that has to do with abortion rights, things that are like...
01:18:32.000That's a world of a lot of athletes these days, right?
01:18:35.000It's like interacting with sponsors and social media.
01:18:38.000Yeah, I mean, it is like another full-time job, right?
01:18:41.000Because with each sponsorship comes dedicated posts and time that you have to spend with each of them, how you have to interact with the fans on your post for each sponsor, content creation and timing of stuff.
01:18:55.000It really is like a full job just to run social media stuff.
01:18:59.000Do you find that you think that people fuck with you a little bit just to try to get you to react?
01:22:28.000There's also a documentary they made called Welcome to Chechnya that came out last year that says it's about a group of activists taking on this.
01:23:48.000I think it's a horrendous weakness, like, to care about what some...
01:23:54.000And I think it probably needs to be labeled that way, to let them understand.
01:23:59.000If you care about two people that clearly want to do something that you don't like, whatever the fuck it is, whether it's ballroom dancing or whether it's whatever it is, if they're gay, if they're trans, whatever it is, whatever it is,
01:24:37.000And I, you know, I got lucky that when I was a little kid, when I was seven years old, we lived in San Francisco.
01:24:42.000So from seven to 11, I lived in San Francisco.
01:24:46.000During the hippie era, the Vietnam War, and my next door neighbors were this gay couple that my aunt would get naked, they would smoke pot and play bongos with the next door neighbors.
01:25:41.000But people get taught that, and I think they get taught that somehow or another the tolerance of that, like not just not being gay, but being tolerant of people who are gay makes you weak or makes society weak or like that fucking guy.
01:26:54.000During the the training and the weigh-ins and the press conferences about him being gay and he killed him in the ring He beat him to death.
01:27:05.000I don't love that I mean actually beat him to death Yeah, and I think if I remember correctly it really affected him and he never really fought That happens a lot to fighters like when they kill somebody they're never really the same again.
01:27:16.000Yeah, I mean that's what's it been like Benny Perrette and Emile Griffith.
01:28:33.000Like, there's a lot of guys in the NFL that come out after they've retired.
01:28:36.000I mean, you know, this is the first year in 2021 that we actually have an openly gay NFL player that's actively playing.
01:28:44.000Do you think that in your lifetime, have you seen the attitudes about gay people become more accepting and more relaxed?
01:28:54.000Yeah, I think it's more accepting, more relaxed, but I also think the other side also feels that they have a louder voice now, right?
01:29:01.000Because, like, as the LGBTQ plus community, as we are more accepted and it's, you know, becoming, quote unquote, normalized, all the other side of the spectrum feel that like, oh, well, like, If they're being accepted everywhere, like, I need to be louder about my stance and make my stance known,
01:29:19.000So I think, like, there's this, like, weird dichotomy between the two where it's like, yeah, as, you know, the rights are becoming more equal and, you know, LGBTQ marriage is legal, you know, nationwide and all that stuff.
01:29:31.000I think, like, the people that hate on it so much also feel that they have a louder voice because of that as well.
01:29:37.000And is most of that hate, you think, religious-based?
01:31:20.000And how much, you know, the percentage of teens that, like, attempt suicide because they're being bullied because they're gay versus their heterosexual peers and stuff like that.
01:31:29.000That's where a lot of my knowledge lands, not as opposed to, like...
01:31:32.000And is it extraordinarily high in comparison?
01:31:35.000Yeah, it's like 49% of teens have, like, contemplated suicide because of bullying.
01:31:54.000One person that accepts an LGBTQ plus teen can dramatically decrease the chance of suicide.
01:32:01.000So when they say that people are pushing the gay agenda, if there was statistics that show there's no change at all in the percentage of people that are gay, it would be interesting, right?
01:35:13.000And even me growing up, it's like I never saw openly gay athletes ever So that automatically, as a kid who's questioning their sexuality, it makes it seem impossible.
01:36:05.000I think what people are concerned with is that these corporations are capitalizing on this sort of openness and like being woke and open-minded and acceptance of LBGTQ to sell stuff.
01:36:21.000So the cynical perspective is they're just piggybacking on this new change in our culture to sell things.
01:37:32.000We've talked a lot about studies we could perform, Joe, and this is another one that we could jump into now.
01:37:36.000I would like to find out whether or not there is a standard number of people.
01:37:43.000If people were completely free and there was no hesitation coming out as gay, it was a completely accepted thing in our culture, I wonder what the numbers would be.
01:37:55.000I think it would be pretty substantial.
01:37:57.000I bet it would be a lot higher because I know a lot of guys who are suspect.
01:38:22.000But the other guy, whole family, the whole deal, married, children, miserable, and then met this guy and realized, like, I can't do this anymore.
01:40:29.000And I found out he came out afterwards.
01:40:31.000But back when I knew him, he would talk about girls, and it would be like, if I taught you how to say something in French, but you didn't know French, like if I taught you how to say the words, je ne sais quoi,
01:40:46.000but you didn't really know what you were saying?
01:40:55.000I'm just getting fresh, especially like 40-year-old virgin and Steve Crow being like, yeah, they felt like bags of sand when he's talking about a girl's tits.
01:41:44.000It's so sad to hear these stories of these guys that just stay closeted for so long just because they think that's what they have to do.
01:41:52.000Well, being a guy like you, who is a well-recognized, respected person in this manly environment of strong man, it's gotta help.
01:42:03.000There's gotta be a lot of young guys who find you and find comfort in the fact, first of all, you have not just the courage to come out, but to be super open and positive about it and proud of it, and you don't give a fuck.
01:42:17.000You know, and so it seems like someone could see you and go, I think I could do that too.
01:42:23.000Yeah, you know, it's really cool because, again, like, I mean, you see me on Instagram, right?
01:43:11.000Being me online, it made this kid realize that his life was worth something.
01:43:17.000And I've gotten a handful of those messages, and I say it time and time again, those messages that I've gotten from kids like that outweigh every single fucking negative comment or message I've ever gotten in my life.
01:43:32.000And that's why, like, I'm such a big proponent of like, you know, like just today I put on my Instagram story that there was an openly gay soccer player in Australia that just came out.
01:43:42.000And now he's officially, it's the first openly gay professional soccer player, like at the top tier level.
01:43:48.000And, like, I always say, like, that stuff's so important because, like, representation really does matter.
01:43:53.000You know, for kids, you know, shit, my husband was a soccer player, right?
01:43:57.000And up until this year, there wasn't an openly gay one at the top level.
01:44:01.000So, you know, for kids to see somebody that looks like them, you know, achieving things that up until that point they seemed were impossible, really does, it matters more than anybody else can really imagine.
01:45:09.000So I think there's that connection that happens.
01:45:11.000Right, so when a guy is in the NFL and comes out as gay, or a guy like you is a strong man, comes out as gay, then people gotta go, oh, these assumptions, they don't hold up.
01:50:37.000Covered in but here's the thing like a woman could wear a shirt like yours with no no sleeves and go to a Really nice restaurant.
01:50:46.000Yeah, but if a man went to a really nice restaurant with us with a tank top on they kick them right out I used to work at a prep school and the faculty had to abide by a dress code during the school day men had to wear Shirt and tie Um,
01:52:44.000Isn't that kind of cool that you have this variety of life?
01:52:47.000Like, look, there's the guys in the suits over there, and those guys over there are dressed like basketball players, and those guys over there look like they might be rock stars.
01:53:19.000They were just more afraid of the image of me having a Mohawk when they have, you know, multi-million dollar families that are donating to their school and thought that that might look bad for them.
01:54:06.000If you were looking at us from afar, if you're trying to examine human beings with no context and trying to examine our culture without any real references, you'd be like, what are they doing?
01:54:15.000Well, I mean, you've said this before.
01:54:16.000Aliens would think we're weird as fuck.
01:54:25.000The thing that drives me the most crazy is women's shoes.
01:54:30.000It's so bizarre watching women hobble around in these strange things.
01:54:36.000Chuck Palahniuk was here yesterday and he was explaining that it's like when women are having sex, their toes point in the way that they are.
01:54:49.000And the way they are with these high heels like the idea of like your toes being down and your heels being up and this like You know, sort of represents coitus or, you know, recreates coitus.
01:56:24.000It came from, I guess it could be a journal, of someone that traveled in 1839 and was repeating a story of something Oh, that's where the rumor came from?
01:56:34.000So what was the reason why they covered those legs?
01:56:56.000It's like human beings biologically are essentially the same as they were then.
01:56:59.000So what is it about people, and what is it about our ideas of what's acceptable and not acceptable, where you have to cover things up, or you don't cover things up, or things shift and change?
01:57:10.000You know what's always freaked me out?
01:57:47.000When they compete in the Olympics against, like, the Egyptian team or any Muslim country, those countries, the women wear the job, fully covered, yeah.
02:00:28.000While it's true that during this era some people covered parts of their furniture, they did so in an effort to keep their valuables from being damaged.
02:00:59.000Okay, pointing out the concept of covering furniture legs for modesty was actually a dig on the perceived stuck-up prudishness of Americans.
02:01:52.000I mean, that's like when I tell people that I come on and I talk to you, I was like, you know, it's...
02:01:57.000I mean, I think I mentioned it to you before, too.
02:01:59.000It's like I got hate from the LGBTQ community from coming on this show last time, which I'm sure will happen again.
02:02:05.000But it's just like the fact that you're willing to have me and then guys like Ben Shapiro on the same show and just have candid conversation is just so fucking cool.
02:02:26.000There's always people looking to dismiss people today.
02:02:30.000It's one of the weirdest parts about today is that people want to take a person and narrow them down into a binary thing, a good or a bad, you know, a pro or a con, with me or against me, get rid of them, have them killed, or elevate them to godhood.
02:04:12.000But that's why I'm so grateful for being on here as well.
02:04:16.000Well, I'm grateful that you come on here, and I think we all need, like in all groups of whatever differences, whether it's people on the right and people on the left, people that are religious, people that aren't, people that are gay, people that are straight, whatever it is, we all need to just talk more and come to the real understanding that life is just about people that are nice and people that aren't nice.
02:04:38.000And if you're a nice person, you don't care what other people do, and you just want them to be happy.
02:04:44.000And if you're not a nice person, you want to go around controlling people and making people live the way you live or think the way you think on both ways.
02:04:54.000Whether it's people that think that you have to adhere to a certain way of communicating and talking about people and Preferred pronouns and languages.
02:05:02.000So much of what we're dealing with today is about people trying to control other people.
02:05:08.000Whether it's homophobes trying to control you, or whether it's the Russians trying to control our political discourse, or whether it's vaccine mandates, or the politicians are trying to control people, or the pharmaceutical companies are trying to control people to generate more income.
02:06:06.000The real people, not the Russian trolls, that are leaving these mean comments.
02:06:10.000There's probably something, either something about them where they're afraid because they might be gay, or maybe they are gay, or maybe they were raised in some weird repressive religious environment, you know?
02:06:23.000I mean, that's the thing is like, the whole fear around gay people and like the LGBTQ community blows my mind.
02:10:01.000The thing that drives me crazy about homophobia really is when it's rooted in religion and you have this ideology that they believe came down from up on high, right?
02:10:16.000They think this must be followed to the letter.
02:10:19.000And if that's the case and they think that Homosexuality, whatever the religion is, because there's some homosexualities that are more tolerant, or some religions and ideologies that are more tolerant of homosexuality, and then some that aren't at all.
02:10:34.000And the ones that aren't at all, it's spooky, because a lot of those are ancient, and they've held these traditions for a long time.
02:10:41.000Like, you know, when you hear about, like, ISIS throwing people off buildings for being gay.
02:10:47.000Oh, like, in Islam and, like, Middle Eastern countries, like, literally beheading in, like, a public square.
02:10:57.000You could open up someone's eyes that maybe these ideas that they had about bigotry and homophobia are wrong, and they need to readdress and re-understand.
02:13:06.000And ultimately we decided for me to go and he would stay home just for pure safety.
02:13:11.000And like, no lie, I think it was about two weeks before I flew out, Sure as shit, like somebody sends me an article about two men that were thrown in jail for seven years for holding hands in public.
02:15:19.000Yeah, you know, so it's just like, it's so funny.
02:15:21.000So like, that's okay, but me being an openly gay man, I cannot exist in their space.
02:15:25.000Well, you know, what's weird is, you know, we're talking about these Islamic countries.
02:15:30.000My friends that have served and have been deployed overseas say there's so much undercover homosexuality in these countries, and a lot of it with underage boys.
02:15:41.000That's like a thing that they were told that they had to look away from.
02:15:45.000Like when they had these encounters with people who were either translators or informants or people that were working alongside with them, occasionally they would have scenarios where these guys were abusing young boys.
02:16:09.000And so these guys are all over there going, what?
02:16:11.000So here you have this culture that the ideology is openly homophobic, openly anti-gay, yet you have all these guys that are having sex with women.
02:16:24.000Like I remember I was having this conversation with someone and they were talking about how tolerant Iran is.
02:17:00.000I mean, it's, you know, countries like Dubai, where it's like, yes, it is technically illegal to be gay there, but it's also not persecuted.
02:17:10.000You know, so it's like, I know, like, you know, we were going to be going there for a contest, but I ended up not being able to go.
02:17:15.000And they were like, oh, like, you can't show affection in public, like, you know, you can't, you know, hold hands, you can't kiss, anything like that.
02:17:21.000But that's kind of standard across the board for straight or gay people.
02:17:49.000That was my break into the highest level of this sport, which is why I kind of took advantage of going to World's Strongest Man.
02:17:56.000But now I'm a little stronger in my convictions, where if a contest is being held in Saudi or any of these other countries, I would absolutely turn it down and be like, no, man.
02:18:04.000If you're going to hold a contest in a country that openly...
02:18:08.000You know, kind of hates who I am as a person, then I'm not going to compete with you.
02:18:14.000Well, also, now you're a known person, so you're holding a higher standard.
02:18:46.000Yeah, it's just wild that here we are in 2021, and you've got countries that, like, we saw the video clip earlier, and in China, I think they have a similar attitude, don't they?
02:18:57.000Yeah, I forget the exact statistic, but I think it's like anywhere between 15 and 17 countries worldwide, it's still legal to be murdered or killed because you're gay.
02:19:09.000And do all these countries share a religion?
02:19:15.000I know like in Russia, it's actually written like if a random person just like beats a gay person to death on the street, they won't be charged with murder.
02:20:00.000Oh, at least I'll be tolerated in this country.
02:20:02.000It's going to be looked down upon in the future.
02:20:05.000When people do, whether it's 100 years from now or whatever it is, when there's none of that left, they're going to be looking back on it the same way we look at slavery, the same way we look at all sorts of horrific things that people have done throughout it, the same way we look at the way women were treated before they were even allowed to vote.
02:20:22.000We're going to look back on it and go, what the fuck were they thinking?
02:20:41.000Well, it's arguable it's still going on right now if you consider these people that are incarcerated that shouldn't be and that are innocent.
02:20:51.000I mean, there's a lot of people in prison right now that are incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses, and they're essentially using them as batteries to generate money.
02:21:03.000When you think about a private prison system, when they put people into these jail cells, and when you know that prison union workers, like the guards lobbyists, what they do is prison guards At least they were for a while.
02:21:22.000They were lobbying to make some drug laws to keep those drug laws because that would make sure that they would have more work.
02:21:50.000The statistics on imprisonment in America are so nuts.
02:21:54.000When you look at our prisons and our prison population in comparison to the rest of the world, I think only China has similar numbers to ours.
02:22:08.000I know it was outrageous, but I don't know what the numbers are.
02:22:12.000The comparison, the prison population in the United States versus the way people are imprisoned worldwide, per capita, I think we're off the charts.
02:22:22.000Well, I think there was a meme that said, when dispensaries look like Apple stores, It's time to release those people that are being incarcerated for weed.
02:22:31.000Yeah, Chuck D from Public Enemy had that on his Instagram today.
02:24:47.000So if you think about that, in America, slavery is not legal to buy people and sell people, but it's certainly legal to keep them in a cage.
02:25:01.000And keep them in a cage for things that arguably should be legal, like drugs.
02:28:12.000Okay, if you decided to go into women's power, if there's a world's strongest woman, and you just decided to identify as a woman and enter into that, good fucking luck, ladies.
02:28:24.000No, I agree, but this bill specifically here in Texas is for youth athletes.
02:30:10.000You know, obviously the six-year-old who was an only child was no longer getting the attention, so, you know, started identifying as female.
02:30:19.000When they brought the child to therapy to kind of uncover this a little bit more, he felt that the only reason he was able to get attention from his parents was to be a girl because he now had a little sister.
02:30:30.000It wasn't because he was actually trans.
02:30:34.000But, like, I think there's definitely instances, but I think, you know, there's also the flip side that is true, that there are trans kids.
02:30:42.000You know, that know from a young age that they are not male or female or that, you know, they're not the gender that they were given at birth.
02:30:50.000But the thing is, there's a difference between accepting them for that and who they are and them competing with what may be biological advantages.
02:30:59.000There was a situation that happened recently where there was a pro MMA fighter who was trans, openly trans, competed and beat a woman who was a biological female.
02:31:13.000It was apparently a good fight and the trans woman was actually in trouble in the first round and then wound up winning in the second round.
02:31:21.000And then people came to me about it and I go, I have no problem with that.
02:31:46.000My issue with the Fallon Fox thing was that Fallon Fox didn't tell these women that she was a male for 30 plus years and it only transitioned for two years and said that it was a medical procedure that she didn't have to say that.
02:32:05.000But once she did come out, and once everybody knew, then the women she competed against after that, no problem at all.
02:32:13.000I mean, but it's also a slippery slope, right?
02:32:15.000Because I feel like a person shouldn't have to come out just to be able to compete.
02:32:22.000But they might have an advantage, a physiological advantage, of having testosterone running through their body for 30 years, and then they get off of it, they're going to have significant advantages.
02:32:34.000There's advantages in reaction time, there's advantages in the size of the heart and the lungs.
02:32:41.000Bone density is a different one, though, because in actual studies, they've shown that in certain African-American women, that they have a similar bone density to some European males this is obviously Depended upon physical exert like we were talking about your bone density is probably much higher than most because of the amount of weight you lift But there's differences in terms of like what part of the world your ancestors are from true I think like the thing that rubs me like what what I hate to see is like,
02:33:10.000you know Take an athlete like Laurel Hubbard the weightlifter from New Zealand that competed at the Olympics.
02:33:14.000Yeah I get where people could become upset with that.
02:33:19.000They feel that she had taken an Olympic spot from biological females, yada, yada, yada.
02:33:24.000At the end of the day, though, she as an athlete is just following the guidelines set forth by the IOC. Is the IOC perfect?
02:33:53.000In boxing in the Olympics, we never have males compete against females, right?
02:33:57.000Because we acknowledge that males have an advantage.
02:34:01.000We acknowledge that, and then we separate them.
02:34:04.000Would it be possible to have males, females, and trans people?
02:34:10.000Or is there too small of a population?
02:34:13.000I think one, it's a small population, but two, the general acceptance of trans people would have to be a lot higher for trans people to be comfortable enough to come out in the first place.
02:34:21.000Well, it's a lot higher now than it's ever been before.
02:34:25.000So wouldn't we think that along with other acceptance, like the acceptance of gay people, the acceptance of all sorts of other, you know, religious exemptions where you see like the Muslim people wearing the hijabs where they're playing?
02:35:43.000Whereas you look like Michael Phelps was literally praised because he's a physiological anomaly for not producing lactic acid at the same levels of other athletes.
02:35:53.000Yeah, when they say that, though, you're talking about a guy who's been training at such a high level.
02:35:57.000How do we not know that this is an adaptive measure that his body has taken to deal with the fact that he has this, like, super high training load?
02:36:08.000And, like, I don't know, like, again, like, you know, this is just plain devil's advocate.
02:36:11.000Like, I mean, Michael Phelps achieved more in his career than I can ever imagine.
02:36:15.000So not a slight to him, but it's, you know, kind of looking at the, you know, kind of double standard that's being thrown at these athletes.
02:36:21.000It's, like I said, I don't think there's a right answer.
02:36:24.000I think either way, people are going to be pissed.
02:36:27.000I would like if one day, I mean, with genetic engineering, with what they're doing now with CRISPR and all these different weird methods of manipulating genes that now they're doing CRISPR 2.0, so it keeps getting better and better.
02:36:49.000Like, there's going to be a way to not just have a surgical alteration and intervene with their bodies, with hormones, but instead, you actually will be transitioning to a woman.
02:37:01.000I mean, I think that'd be fucking great.
02:37:02.000I think, like, even trans people would want that.
02:37:06.000If you gave them the option, like if you had the red pill to blue pill with Mobius or Morpheus, if one of them was a pill that made you not want to be trans anymore, made you happy being a biological male, and one of them was a pill that turned you into a woman,
02:37:25.000an actual woman, which one would you take?
02:37:28.000I think it would be a high percentage of the trans pill.
02:37:31.000It would be nice if you could try it out for a little while, you know?
02:38:03.000And then I think there's probably some of them that like, and this is fine too, there's some of them that like identifying as a woman but keeping their penis.
02:38:25.000And even me being a professional athlete and a gay man, I think what's funny is people automatically look to me as like, Oh, you know everything about this entire situation.
02:39:33.000And, like, the world was a different place.
02:39:35.000Your mind formed back when there was, like, four TV channels, and you were on the Wheaties box in the 70s, and now you're dealing with the fucking chaos of today's choices and options and identities.
02:40:13.000It's not a good way to answer a question.
02:40:17.000Especially a question like that, which is a culturally significant question coming from someone who is genuinely one of the most famous trans people alive.
02:40:31.000Yeah, I mean have other people like Laverne Cox who's known in the actor's world and stuff like that, but which I don't know who that is.
02:40:38.000I know she's Caitlyn Jenner gorgeous Yeah, Laverne Laverne Cox is I mean I guess because I'm gay I know who she is, but I'm sure sure she's famous, but there's no way she's as famous as Caitlyn Jenner I gotta think so when you are Stepping to the queen, that's what it is.
02:40:53.000That's the head honcho of the trans world.
02:41:01.000Yeah, I think a lot of people also have a lot of issue with her because of her experience has been so much different from the majority of trans people.
02:41:37.000You know, she is an out and proud trans woman.
02:41:40.000And then there's other people that are like, shut her the fuck up.
02:41:45.000Now, what's the general consensus about what's going on right now with Dave Chappelle?
02:41:51.000You know, I figured you were going to ask me about this.
02:41:54.000Well, I wasn't going to until we started talking about trans athletes and trans this.
02:41:58.000Here's my thing, and I may be more open-minded at accepting of all this stuff, but in my experience, Dave's been making fun of Everybody for forever and including himself.
02:42:14.000Did you think he was making fun of trans people like in a mean way?
02:42:18.000No, I think I think like Over overwhelmingly like the stuff that he says like I don't think is mean-spirited No, the thing I have an issue with is when he just says like yeah trans people are just funny to me Like I don't think their experience is funny.
02:42:33.000I think it's hard and Hmm right like I think is that one of the quotes that he said I see I don't know if that was in this one or our previous one But he you know there was one point where he says you know like you know But at the end of the day, I just think it's fucking funny And I think like that's honestly out of everything he said that's the only thing I've ever had an issue with Because I don't think somebody's struggle is ever funny,
02:43:33.000And the story is about a trans woman who he loved, who was a very dear friend to his, who he actually had opened up for him at one of his shows and he talks about it and she defended him and then she was dragged by the trans community and she wound up committing suicide and it was devastating to him.
02:46:18.000Yeah, I mean, I think at this point it's low-hanging fruit.
02:46:22.000But still, it feels like it's relevant to his life and his experience, unfortunately, because this is a thing he's dealing with, is being attacked for his bits.