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00:01:59.000But then one of the women said, before we begin, I would just like to state that our land, the land that this building sits on was actually once owned by her, you know, and she rattled off 17 tribes.
00:02:49.000First, we want to acknowledge that the land where the Microsoft campus is situated was traditionally occupied by the Sammamish, the Duwamish, the Snoqualmie, the Suquamish, the Muckleshoot, the Snohomish,
00:03:05.000the Tulalip, and other Coast Salish peoples since time immemorial.
00:03:10.000A people that are still here, continuing to honor and bring to light their ancient heritage.
00:03:29.000And I'm Seth Juarez, program manager in the AI Platform Group.
00:03:31.000I'm a tall Hispanic male wearing a blue shirt, khaki pants.
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00:04:45.000Michael Knowles had this conversation I watched on YouTube where this professor, this woke professor, was trying to say that we should give back land to native tribes.
00:04:56.000And he was like, okay, but which ones?
00:04:59.000You got to decide which ones, because the Comanche took it from the Apache, took it from the...
00:05:05.000And he was going through the history of it.
00:05:08.000Like, do you go back, well, the Comanche took it from you, but you took it from the Navajo, but the Navajo took it from the Pawnee, and they're like, oh.
00:05:18.000I'm going to ask her, because she'll know.
00:05:54.000I think the reasonable equilibrium is going to be something that allows us to read each other's minds so that there's no confusion whatsoever about what your intent is.
00:06:05.000I forwarded this article, so I have a group text with a bunch of friends and my brother where we just...
00:06:10.000This is our only outlet for this insanity.
00:06:13.000And someone wrote, actually, Jon Stewart defended Dave Chappelle after the special and said, look, his intent was X, right?
00:06:21.000And this person, I don't remember who it was, I don't remember what, you know, it was in The Independent or something like that, wrote this whole thing saying, intent is bullshit.
00:06:54.000But the point is there are people now arguing intent is irrelevant.
00:06:57.000That's the dumbest thing ever because like what if someone if you can be charged with manslaughter if you get in an argument with someone like say if you are in a situation with someone and They bump into your car and you yell at them and they get in your face and take a swing at you And you knock them out and they fall and hit their head and die you can get charged with manslaughter for that That is so much different than breaking into someone's house and shooting them in the face.
00:07:51.000It's like the only thing that makes us human.
00:07:53.000It's so dumb, but it's people taking advantage of what the internet provides, which is this ability to communicate and express outrage and push buttons, right?
00:08:04.000So because we have this new ability to do this, there's a lot of bad actors that use that, that use that ability to communicate, to find things to complain about that are really not relevant.
00:08:14.000They're not really something you should be complaining about.
00:08:17.000And if you do complain about it, it's really because you don't have any legitimate problems in your real life.
00:08:22.000Well, I think the other thing is there's an insecurity.
00:08:24.000Actually, there's an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal today about this, right, which is what was the title of the article was something along the lines of why the woke can't take a joke.
00:08:34.000And what it basically came down to was the – and this was quoting guys from like 100 years ago making the same thing when it came to jokes about religion.
00:08:42.000And the idea was if you aren't comfortable in your position – You're going to be easily offended when somebody rattles you, when somebody pokes fun at you.
00:08:50.000If I came here and said, oh, hunters are wankers, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, it wouldn't offend you because you're very comfortable in your position, in your beliefs, and it's like, hey, if you don't like hunting, that's cool, but that says nothing about me.
00:09:05.000Well, it definitely wouldn't come from you because you're a hunter.
00:09:09.000Like, if you came to me and said, bow hunting is bullshit, I'd be like, haha.
00:09:12.000But if anybody said it to you, it wouldn't faze you.
00:09:15.000Well, it wouldn't, but it would be a conversation where I would probably, if I respected that person, I would want to either defend it or explain my position.
00:09:24.000But you wouldn't be offended is the point.
00:09:26.000You could engage with them as opposed to throwing up a flag.
00:09:30.000I mean, it's a weird thing that we're doing right now with words.
00:09:35.000This is a strange time where we're trying to ban words, and we're trying to change the meaning of words and eliminate nuance in conversations.
00:09:44.000And again, we're doing it because of social justice, right?
00:09:47.000And the people that use social media to try to enact social justice, which really doesn't change.
00:09:54.000It's not really getting anybody justice.
00:09:57.000It's just getting the rocks off of these people that enjoy complaining, and most of them really should be doing something else.
00:10:04.000Most of the people on Twitter should be doing something else.
00:10:07.000I have, like, radically reduced my amount of time on Twitter.
00:10:11.000But every now and then, I open it up, and it's like watching a fucking, like, a room that's, like, five by five, filled with 400 chickens.
00:10:21.000And they're just squacking each other and pecking each other.
00:10:28.000It's just people arguing and dunking on each other all day long.
00:10:31.000Even outside of that, my roommate from med school, who's a urologist, called me yesterday because he couldn't wait to tell me this ridiculous story.
00:10:39.000So a colleague of his, this female urologist who's a badass surgeon, was giving a lecture to the medical school, which is common, right?
00:10:47.000You'll always have the surgeon will come in or the doctor will come in.
00:10:50.000And before she got up to give her lecture, the dean said to her, and I'm not making this up, this is a urologist giving a lecture to a group of medical students, said, I would appreciate it if you would not use the word penis during this lecture.
00:11:50.000If he's the dean of the medical school, he would be an MD. What in the fuck is wrong with people?
00:11:56.000One of my favorite videos is there's a communist meeting, a meeting of these student communists and they're like criticizing each other for various things and one of them gets up and tells everybody that please keep the chatter to a minimum and be respectful for people that are easily distracted And then another one gets up and they yell out to stop using gendered language because he said,
00:13:43.000I keep saying to myself, where was the inflection point and how did I miss it?
00:13:47.000Well, I didn't totally miss it because I had a lot of people on that were, you know, six years ago, seven years ago giving me warnings of, like, what's going on in the universities.
00:13:57.000But I didn't think the spillover would be so broad that it would, like, really make its way into corporations.
00:14:06.000And I thought, like, there would be a barrier.
00:14:09.000Yeah, because there would be a containment sort of.
00:14:11.000Particularly with corporations because I thought they weren't going to tolerate that shit because it's going to affect their bottom line.
00:14:15.000But then they realize that you can sort of do what Microsoft is doing.
00:14:45.000But they seem a little bit more reasonable.
00:14:47.000The craziest thing is that all of this is coming through devices that are made by slave labor.
00:14:52.000At the end of the day, it's so hypocritical that all these people tweeting about social justice and all the wrongs of the world, you're doing it on a fucking device that's made by child slaves.
00:15:35.000We want to try to keep the bottom line nice and low.
00:15:37.000So in order for you to tweet about social justice, you have to do it on a device that's made by people that are not much better than slaves.
00:16:50.000The cameras are incredible, but people look at that green text coming in, they're like not doing it, you know?
00:16:57.000But if like someone like Elon convinced people to switch over to Signal, Which is probably better for everybody anyway, to have some peer-to-peer encrypted application.
00:17:09.000Librem 5 USA. This is a Linux phone, isn't it?
00:18:42.000Individual components used in the fabrication are sourced direct from the chip market.
00:18:46.000That means they're from other countries.
00:18:48.000We use U.S. companies with U.S. fabrication whenever possible, but that doesn't mean it's from the U.S. Most distributors are based in the U.S. Most, with the exception of Large integrated circuits that are made in a variety of countries where those companies do fabrication,
00:19:06.000Well, those companies, at least those countries that they just listed aren't using slave labor.
00:19:11.000As an example of NXPCBU used from their fabrication in South Korea, while we source chips made from the U.S. wherever possible, chip country of origin is not nearly as meaningful as country of board fabrication, especially when all chips are verified.
00:19:28.000Hardware circuits that are driven by free software in the kernel.
00:19:32.000Yeah, these kernel motherfuckers, these Linux guys, they start talking kernel and my eyes gloss over.
00:22:45.000It's the same reason there's certain watches I just won't buy because I'm not willing to pay the premium over when it's based on a false scarcity.
00:23:36.000So I like Rolexes in that vintage, right?
00:23:39.000So kind of the Daytona, the no-date subs, and the GMTs in that first iteration.
00:23:45.000So the gilt version, which is kind of the yellow, like it has the brighter marks on it.
00:23:52.000So I got a few years ago, before they got really silly in pricing, A guy that I work with, his name's Andrew Scheer in New York, who does just vintage Rolex.
00:24:02.000He calls me up, and I had told him for about a year and a half, I wanted a certain, I wanted a Gilt 1675 GMT. And he, I remember I was getting on a plane, I was at Newark just leaving, and he goes, sends me a picture, and I'm like, Dude, that's like new old stock.
00:25:28.000Watches are weird because there's something about it that appeals to men more than it does to women.
00:25:35.000I know there's a lot of women that are watch collectors, but it seems if I'm paying attention to the internet and watching videos, it's a male-dominated jewelry thing.
00:26:31.000So after 1969, they discontinued the caliber 321 and they went to the caliber 1861, which is what they basically rode up until a few years ago.
00:26:41.000But the purist loves that 321. The problem is if you go back and buy one from the 60s, I have one.
00:28:42.000Like, no one has any idea what the time it is.
00:28:44.000But as time moves forward, and we get closer and closer to modern era, there had to come a point in time where they decided, alright, this is what noon is.
00:29:06.000Because we're, instead of looking at actual time, which is a thing that's existing right now only, there is the past and there is the future, but actual real time is just this.
00:29:21.000You can measure how long things take, but is it confusing us as to what time actually is?
00:29:30.000Because what we're really doing is measuring time on devices.
00:29:33.000We're measuring seconds that go by, hours that go by, minutes that go by.
00:29:37.000It's not giving you an excuse to not be prompt, but it's really kind of bullshit.
00:29:42.000Well, I don't know, but I will say this.
00:29:45.000Not having a watch on feels great sometimes.
00:29:47.000Not having a phone with you feels great.
00:32:32.000Yeah, but doesn't have that gun he's fucked because occasionally they will jump on people and that's the situation is this guy was in like look at this Give me some volume rewind it and give me the volume because the when it's looking at its face you get back look at that you get back You get back You get back You get back Back!
00:34:03.000And they'll charge you if you hit them, they'll charge you if you don't, like if you're bow hunting.
00:34:08.000I was watching a show once where the guy was packing, and he shot a pig, a wild boar, with a bow and arrow, and it came charging full clip at him with the arrow hanging out of its body, and he had to shoot it.
00:34:22.000Speaking of shooting, this range down the street from you is incredible.
00:35:01.000Like, you got to do it once a month, twice a month?
00:35:03.000I think once a month is reasonable as long as you really do take time and you make a lot of shots and you have good form and you're really paying attention to what you're doing, you know?
00:35:14.000I think there's just too many people that have a gun and think that they're safe and they don't know how to use it at all.
00:36:09.000And now, at least with YouTube, there are some people out there putting really good content out where you can, if you're a newbie, you can say, okay, well, show me what's the right technique, what are the mistakes that people make here, and stuff like that.
00:36:23.000You really should get, I think you should get one-on-one instruction if you can afford it.
00:36:28.000I don't know how much it costs to get someone to teach you how to shoot a gun correctly, but someone should show you how to hold it, you know...
00:36:33.000Where to place your hand, and where you should put the pressure, and which hand should be relaxed, and how to line your sights up correctly.
00:36:41.000That's something that's a little tricky to do in a video, you know?
00:36:46.000For me, the long range stuff is, I just bought an Accuracy International 300 Norma mag, like super, super long range rifle.
00:36:55.000And for me, which, and it's actually too big a gun for hunting.
00:36:59.000So it's not, it's really, it serves, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:37:18.000But this is a gun that you can work your way out to shooting a mile, you know, shooting a dinner plate at a mile.
00:37:23.000Which is just, again, that to me is the joy, right?
00:37:25.000Like, that's the fun, is learning the wind and learning the technique.
00:37:30.000Because it is in the sense like archery.
00:37:33.000You know, in archery, if you can't control the pressure of your hand on the riser, you know, at 20 yards it doesn't matter, but at 80 yards it matters everything.
00:37:43.000And it's the same thing with those guns.
00:37:46.000If you're not on the clavicle the right way and your face is not on this the right way and your trigger isn't pulling back perfectly, all of that stuff just amplifies mistakes.
00:37:58.000So for me, that's the most fun thing, is those otherwise not particularly helpful long-range rifles.
00:38:04.000Yeah, when you really get into archery, long-range shows you where your mistakes are.
00:38:44.000So he just does exactly what he does at home, and he's done it so many times that he's very confident that if he does have an 80-plus yard shot on an elk, that he can make it perfectly.
00:38:56.000What is your comfort range in the field, not at home?
00:39:00.000I've shot a lot of elk at 60 yards, 67 yards.
00:40:36.000I mean, there's so many deer out there.
00:40:38.000For people who don't know what Lanai is, it's a very small island in the Hawaiian Islands chain and it has 30,000 deer on it, which is so crazy to say.
00:42:22.000In Australia, they've made giant mistakes with that where they brought in other animals to try to mitigate the...
00:42:30.000The number of, you know, this or that, and then those animals wind up wiping out native populations of nesting birds, like cats, like feral cats in Australia.
00:42:48.000And what can they do other than hire people to shoot them?
00:42:52.000I mean, at this point, you know, Jake Mews, my friend who runs that company out there that's Maui Nui Venison, these guys that are making, you know, commercializing, they have a USDA grade commercial program for making axis deer.
00:43:05.000And they're about as efficient as they get.
00:44:09.000The company that we had do the analysis on the protein content repeated the analysis twice because they didn't believe how much protein it had in it.
00:44:18.00025 grams of protein in a fucking bone broth?
00:45:42.000If you want to think about an ethical way for you to consume meat, if you're one of those people that doesn't want to buy factory farmed meat, get some of that.
00:45:50.000I mean, next to hunting, that is about as good as you can get.
00:45:53.000Do you find your taste for non-wild game has gone down?
00:45:59.000Well, when I eat a fatty piece of domestic beef, I think of it like a sloppy, lazy person.
00:46:07.000If I see an athlete, and then I go, wow, that guy looks like he's in shape, and then I see a sloppy, lazy person, I'm like, oh, poor sloppy, lazy person.
00:46:16.000I just find that, and again, we're lucky, right?
00:46:19.000We get to hunt these animals, we get to eat the elk, we get to eat the axis deer.
00:46:22.000These are, along with maybe Pronghorn and a few others, this is about as tasty as it gets, but...
00:46:28.000Boy, I find that even a really nice ribeye just doesn't taste as good as it did to me five years ago.
00:46:34.000Yeah, well, it's missing a lot of nutrition.
00:46:39.000If you look at the dark red meat of elk, like a backstrap from elk, It's a dark red, like I took a photo a couple days ago of some back strap from the elk I shot in California this year.
00:47:52.000And then I pull it, I let it rest, I slice it, and then my family, we ate a lot of it, and then the rest of it I put in like a Tupperware, and then I'll eat it throughout the week.
00:48:04.000Because in the morning it's hard for me to get everything in, all the stuff that I do and work out, and then I'm...
00:48:11.000Pretty religious about my sauna and cold plunge.
00:48:15.000So I'm doing, I have to allocate 40 minutes to that.
00:48:18.000And so between my workouts and everything and I'm getting up at 7 in the morning and then I'm out here doing the podcast, I got to get everything in.
00:48:27.000So I want a meal that I could just pull out of the fridge and in 10 minutes I'm done.
00:48:32.000Sit down, eat it, take my vitamins, go.
00:49:16.000That's the only thing that's missing from Wild Game is the fat content, so you gotta get your fat content from somewhere else.
00:49:22.000And I'm changing my diet a lot lately, and I've basically decided that my love for pasta and my love for bread and sugar, it's not worth it.
00:49:35.000Like, when I go long stretches of time without eating that stuff and then I eat it, the impact is so tangible.
00:51:54.000Peter has this range in his backyard, because Peter's an archery nut like me, and he basically has a professional archery range in your backyard.
00:52:02.000It's like you have hundreds of yards to shoot.
00:52:04.000Well, we just bought the lot next to us, so now it's like we could literally set up a tack.
00:52:16.000So now when I was preparing for the elk hunt this year, I was doing most of my shooting was in between trees.
00:52:22.000Trying to build my confidence at if you want to shoot something 50 yards away, but you got two trees like this and a branch going like this.
00:52:40.000The Leupold has, for people that don't know what we're talking about, Leupold has a range finder that you put in the weight of your arrow, the weight of the bow, the length of your peep sight, everything.
00:53:39.000Which was like, I mean, that's a really expensive rangefinder.
00:53:42.000It's kind of wild that someone figured out that you could shoot a laser at something and then it'll report back to you how far that laser is touching something.
00:53:51.000Well, I mean, that's amazing, but the fact that they can just do angle compensation is awesome.
00:53:57.000Yeah, for people who don't know what we're talking about, because we went into the full archery nerd mode, angle compensation means if you are shooting 50 yards, right, if the object is 50 yards, but it's 50 yards uphill, You will really be shooting more for like,
00:54:27.000So you have to use an angle compensating range finder that tells you, based on how you're turning the range finder, which direction it's going, whether or not you need to add or subtract yards.
00:54:43.000And the first shot I ever took in my life at an animal went a foot over his back because I had been doing all my practicing with a compensated range finder.
00:54:54.000And this was out in Molokai and it was an axis deer and my guide is behind me and he ranges it but he is using an old school range finder that doesn't have angle compensation.
00:55:34.000Hey, from now on, can you hold my rangefinder?
00:55:39.000Yeah, the amount of technology that's involved in bow hunting, and just hunting in general now.
00:55:45.000I mean, people have watches that have GPS on them, and you could put waypoints, and you could track on your phone exactly where the hit was, and then from there on you could mark where each drop of blood you find is.
00:56:01.000So I learned something last year that blew my mind.
00:56:04.000My wife, as a gift, got me a framed picture of Matthew McPherson's patent for the compound bow.
00:56:13.000And I was like, oh, this is so beautiful.
00:58:48.000But I left medicine in 2006 and went, you know, did finance and other stuff and completely went away from it until I kind of came back to it about 10 years ago.
00:59:01.000I mean, truthfully, I was super frustrated.
00:59:04.000In cancer surgery, you're doing kind of like very heroic operations.
00:59:10.000I mean, the most technically challenging types of operations.
00:59:14.000But, you know, half the people still die, right?
00:59:17.000So 50% of people who are going to have surgery, and in some cases more, if you're talking about pancreatic cancer, 80% of the people whose pancreas gets removed for cancer are going to be dead in five years.
00:59:50.000I mean, Baltimore averaged, at Hopkins, we averaged, at the time, I don't know what it's like today, at the time, it was 16 penetrating traumas a day.
00:59:57.000So 16 gunshot wounds or stab wounds a day.
00:59:59.000So as a trainee, that's amazing, right?
01:00:03.000That's why I went specifically to that program, was to be able to learn to operate on people who are shot or stabbed.
01:00:11.000But, you know, it does take its toll on you, right?
01:00:13.000You just feel like there's no end to this.
01:00:16.000Like, I mean, it's a war zone out there, and...
01:00:22.000I remember there were times when you'd be a part of a heroic rescue of somebody and they go out the door and they come back a week later with a gunshot wound to the head and they're dead.
01:00:47.000And I was like, well, I can't fix it, so I'm leaving.
01:00:50.000So I left and joined a company called McKinsey and was recruited there to do healthcare, but ended up, because my background's in math, doing credit risk.
01:00:58.000And this was like the two years building up to the mortgage meltdown.
01:01:01.000So that became my day job and my night job.
01:01:04.000I mean, that was all consuming for two years.
01:02:36.000But when we went back and looked at the analysis, we figured out that starting in 2004, starting in the second quarter of 2004, every loan that was being originated was behaving differently than the entire history of mortgages.
01:02:51.000So this is a really interesting analysis.
01:03:30.000So the reason nobody defaults in the first 18 months is because historically you really make sure that the person who you're selling a house to or giving a loan to can afford it.
01:03:40.000You do a really extensive background check on them.
01:03:43.000And if something's going to go wrong, it's unlikely to go wrong in that first 18 months because of how much you've documented their income and employment and stuff like that.
01:03:51.000Then you get into an area where some people are going to default.
01:03:54.000And then the reason three, four years out there's no more defaulting is because by that point people have enough equity in their home that if they run into trouble they can always sell the home and the bank gets their money back.
01:04:04.000So again, you go back in time, every vintage curve for every single mortgage looked like this.
01:04:26.000Explain to people that are just listening.
01:04:29.000Meaning they started to, instead of going up and then flat again, they just kept going up and up and up and up and up.
01:04:35.000But they actually did it at an exponential rate.
01:04:51.000So this is looking at a chain reaction.
01:04:54.000And this was one of five models that we built to try to understand what was going on.
01:05:00.000And they all pointed in the same direction, which was catastrophic outcomes, basically for loans that became originated after 2004. So by the time we're in 2007, when we show all this data to them, Obviously,
01:06:17.000All the damage, but it would have minimized the damage.
01:06:20.000Because remember, there was still another 10 months of horrible loans being originated, horrible loans being securitized, and they were mispriced.
01:06:31.000I mean, ultimately, that's the problem with this.
01:07:18.000It was actually super accurate in terms of describing what was going on.
01:07:24.000And I remember when it came out, I was able to finally explain to my wife why we weren't billionaires.
01:07:29.000Because she's always like, dude, you knew this was happening, and yet, like, why do I hear about guys like John Paulson and all these hedge fund guys that made $3 billion on this?
01:07:38.000And I said, ah, this movie will explain why.
01:07:40.000If you know this is happening, and the only instrument you have in your mind to make money on it is shorting equities, you can't make money.
01:08:12.000But even still, I wouldn't have made a lot of money because one – Shorting equities is really expensive when you don't know when the shoe is going to fall.
01:08:22.000Because you have to make a margin call over and over and over again.
01:10:18.000Clearly, oxygen is not the root cause of the problem.
01:10:21.000The root cause of the problem was the absolutely inept lending standards.
01:10:28.000What fostered it was the ability to securitize loans.
01:10:31.000So once you could make a horrible loan and you didn't have to live with it on your books, you could actually sell it to someone else who didn't understand what you were selling, then it just became out of control.
01:10:44.000It was a scary time, because it was also a scary time where we were really worried that banks were going to fail.
01:10:51.000And there was a lot of people that were saying, let them fail.
01:10:55.000The banks should fail, because we shouldn't prop up these banks.
01:10:59.000And meanwhile, these people that are these CEOs, they're going to give themselves bonuses.
01:11:05.000Even though they lost all this money and they had to be bailed out by the government, these people still got bonuses.
01:11:10.000And I was like, explain to me why they get bonuses.
01:11:13.000They're like, well, these people are very talented and if they don't give them bonuses, they're going to go somewhere where they do get bonuses.
01:11:18.000I'm like, what the fuck does that mean?
01:12:20.000But there still, in my opinion, could have been and should have been more clauses in that program that permitted some of the really flagrant abuses that came down the line, like the AIG guys getting bonuses that they probably shouldn't have got.
01:12:34.000In other words, I think the government basically...
01:12:39.000Made the argument, which was, well, if we don't pay these people, they're not going to stick around and we need them to clean up this mess.
01:12:45.000And my view is, I bet enough good people would have stuck around without having to pay so many people so much.
01:12:52.000And by the way, the people that really needed the bonuses were not the CEOs.
01:12:55.000Like, they're not the ones doing the work, right?
01:13:01.000So basically, actually, everything for me changed when my daughter was born.
01:13:04.000So my daughter was born 13 years ago, and I'm 35. And I mean, I'm sure you can relate to this, but at least for me, that was the moment when I first cared about living longer.
01:13:17.000It was the first moment I had a thought beyond myself and thought, like, oh, my God, like, I remember when my wife was pregnant, I was not that excited about it.
01:13:54.000Well, the most common genetic driver of heart disease is something called LpA.
01:13:59.000So one in about 10 people, somewhere between one in eight and one in 12, so call it one in 10 people, 10% of people have a gene called Lpa that makes too much of this lipoprotein called LpA, which you've heard of LDL, right?
01:14:14.000So LDL is this atherogenic lipoprotein.
01:14:18.000LP little A is an LDL that has another protein wrapped on it called APO little A, and it makes it much worse.
01:14:26.000So the single most common genetic, the single most common hereditary driver of cardiovascular disease is elevated LP little A. And the tragic thing is most doctors don't even know what it is.
01:14:38.000So this is one of the things I, I have more podcasts on this topic than any other because It's inexcusable to me that a patient doesn't know that they have an elevated LP little a.
01:14:46.000This is a screening test we should do on children.
01:14:59.000So LPA is one rare example that's not polygenic, meaning there is just one gene that drives LPA. But when you start to get into something like familial hypercholesterolemia, which is also kind of common, that's any set of genes.
01:15:12.000And there are over 3,000 mutations that produce elevated LDL through one form or another.
01:15:19.000That becomes another huge driver of genetic inheritance.
01:15:23.000But what's scary, at least for someone like me, is it's really clear when you look at my family history, heart disease is a problem.
01:15:30.000I don't have anything recognizable, meaning I don't have LP little a, I don't have familial hypercholesterolemia, I don't have any of the few known genes that are really driving this.
01:15:42.000My cholesterol levels were never really that heavy to begin with.
01:16:22.000And then I realized, well, there's no benefit in not dying of cardiovascular disease if you're going to still die of cancer or dementia or something like that.
01:16:29.000So then my obsession and interest just expanded through all of that.
01:16:33.000What did you do to keep yourself from being at the risk of dying from cardiovascular disease?
01:16:39.000Well, I mean, it came down to reverse engineering what is driving cardiovascular disease, which is the most ubiquitous killer, right?
01:16:45.000So there's no developed nation for which cardiovascular disease isn't the number one killer.
01:17:38.000So atherosclerosis is really driven by lipoproteins first and foremost.
01:17:42.000So anything that carries this ApoB protein on it, so that's an LDL, an LP little a, a VLDL, that's the synquinone.
01:17:49.000That is the necessary but not sufficient element to drive atherosclerosis.
01:17:54.000Anything that impairs endothelial function, so high blood pressure, high glucose, high insulin, high homocysteine, all that stuff, problematic.
01:18:03.000Anything that amplifies inflammation, all the things.
01:18:06.000So basically, I just said, okay, well, we're just going to take a no-holds-barred approach to addressing all of those things.
01:18:15.000And that's why I sit here today and I can say, look, between now and when I'm 60, the one thing I know I'm not going to die of is atherosclerosis.
01:18:23.000I would say that in the next 10 years, my greatest risk of death is motor vehicle accident and cancer.
01:18:29.000Those would be the two hardest things to mitigate.
01:18:57.000So if I did a genetic test, if I had your entire genome in front of me, it wouldn't tell me much about your risk for cancer.
01:19:04.000So the genes that are driving it are also not germline, they're somatic, meaning they're inherited mutations.
01:19:11.000So one of the few things we know about cancer is...
01:19:16.000The earlier you can detect it, the better.
01:19:18.000That's a truism that is becoming almost impossible to argue.
01:19:24.000So you're always better off finding a cancer when you have 100 million cells that are cancerous versus 10 billion cells that are cancerous.
01:19:33.000And our tools for screening are somewhat limited.
01:19:37.000So to your question earlier, what's one of the things I'm excited about?
01:19:39.000I think liquid biopsies are something in the last year that we have become very excited about.
01:19:44.000So all of our patients get these things called liquid biopsies, which is a blood test that measures something called cell-free DNA. So we're looking for tumor DNA in the bloodstream.
01:19:55.000So meaning at very low levels of tumor burden, you can still pick it up by getting some of this cell-free DNA floating around your bloodstream.
01:20:06.000So it's literally like you take a tube of blood and you can say, oh, there's actually like some pancreatic cancer here or some colon cancer here or breast cancer here.
01:20:16.000And then you go looking for that cancer.
01:20:48.000Certain physicians are being allowed to do it in the context of having a very comprehensive approach to follow up with patients.
01:20:57.000So, because our patients are doing it in the context of a billion other things, so there's not as much of a concern from the part of the FDA. But I don't think this is fully FDA approved yet.
01:21:28.000But every time I go and get this diffusion-weighted image MRI, which is this very particular type of MRI that's uniquely tuned to detect cancer and getting a blood test like this or getting a colonoscopy, which I'm very aggressive with, all of these things, yeah, there's always a moment of just let me come out clean.
01:21:48.000So you have these concerns about longevity.
01:21:52.000You have these concerns about cardiovascular health and cancer.
01:21:55.000And so what prompts you to start your practice and re-emerge into medicine?
01:22:05.000I just – there was nothing else I could think about.
01:22:07.000Like at the time, I had left that one company where I was doing all the energy stuff – or where I was doing all the finance stuff and I went to join an energy company.
01:22:15.000So now I was like working on like a – A renewable form of oil.
01:22:54.000That company went on for another four years, but it just couldn't be done at the price of where oil was, which at the time was like 50 bucks a barrel.
01:23:01.000I wanted to talk to you about, this is a little bit of a deviation, but it's not really.
01:23:04.000I wanted to talk to you about Theranos.
01:23:07.000Because I am fucking completely obsessed with that lady and her scam company.
01:23:14.000Dude, did you know that I was almost the chief medical officer of that company?
01:23:42.000And the company was small at that time.
01:23:45.000It was like maybe 30 people there or something like that.
01:23:47.000And he said, look, I want you, my friend, to potentially look at this company because they could really use a CFO. And he was in private equity at the time, really smart guy.
01:24:01.000And to make it long so short, I got introduced to Elizabeth.
01:24:03.000So I went down and had lunch with her one day.
01:24:05.000Did you ever catch her talking in a real voice?
01:24:31.000I sat down in the office and she pulled out a black box that was, I don't know if it was called Edison at the time or if it was the precursor to what would become Edison.
01:24:41.000Diagnostics is not something I knew a ton about.
01:24:43.000But, you know, I'd spent two years at the NIH, and I certainly understand how chemical reagents work, and I understand how chemical assays work.
01:24:51.000And I know how, for example, an ELISA works.
01:24:53.000An ELISA is a type of assay that you do to measure something, but it requires a lot of washing and rinsing and repeating.
01:25:01.000And I know that many biomarkers that are of interest, for example, something like insulin, you know, if you want to measure a person's insulin level, you have to do these types of assays, right?
01:25:13.000So, I was saying to her, you know, Elizabeth, I don't understand how you could put a drop of blood in here and get anything out that's more interesting than glucose, hemoglobin, sodium, and potassium.
01:25:23.000The really simple things that can work, you know, that can be measured off a drop of blood.
01:25:27.000And she kind of gave me some answer, and I said, well, can I see the inside of the box?
01:26:21.000This was a week before the Wall Street Journal article would fall, John Cario's article that was the one that kind of unraveled all of Theranos in October of 2015. How did he figure it out?
01:26:34.000How'd this one guy figure out that it was all...
01:26:36.000So I haven't read his book, Bad Blood, but I saw the documentary, so that's like a poor man's version of it, but basically just interviewing people who were formerly employees of the company.
01:29:58.000One of the things that I love about it is I'm always fascinated by con artists and cult leaders and people who manage to pull the wool over people's eyes.
01:30:10.000But when people do it in a clumsy way and still get really far, she was clumsy.
01:31:19.000So honored to be with this incredible group of women.
01:31:23.000I want to just take a minute to say, especially to the young women in the room here, do everything you can to be the best in science and math and engineering.
01:31:37.000It's our actions that will determine this new stereotype around women being the best in science and technology and engineering, and it's that That our little girls will see when they start to think about who do they want to be when they grow up.
01:33:37.000And he would talk and he'd go, well, that's a brilliant, completely obsessed man.
01:33:43.000Like, this person is very brilliant and it makes sense that this is the head of this incredibly innovative company.
01:33:50.000When I heard her talk, I was like, who's this idiot that you have talking?
01:33:54.000This is not a person that spent a lot of time thinking, right?
01:33:58.000If you went to college for a long period of time and really worked on your grammar and your understanding of the correct use of language to inspire and challenge people's ideas, that's not the fucking speech you'd give, right?
01:35:27.000They wanted to believe that there was this female wonderkind who left Stanford at 19 years old, dropped out of school, and figured out this amazing technology and along the way became, at least until she got busted, the richest self-made woman ever.
01:35:41.000She was worth, I think, like her own personal- Four and a half billion.
01:36:56.000Whenever someone comes to me, like some guy came to me with some crazy, I mean, I don't know if it's real, so I don't want to talk about it, like say it specifically, but if it's true, it sounds like this guy's going to revolutionize a form of travel.
01:38:55.000Like, if stress gives you cancer, imagine the stress of, like, duping people out of nine billion, and you're sitting around knowing that your voice is fake, and you're wearing a black turtleneck, and people that you went to college with are like, hey, that bitch doesn't even talk like that.
01:39:09.000I hear the text messages between her and Sunny were pretty funny.
01:39:13.000Because I read an article that said, if you really want to incentivize people to not commit crime, just let them know that all of their cheesy text messages are going to be made public.
01:39:37.000But it just shows you that there is this incredible market for people to try to optimize their health and try to figure out what's wrong with them.
01:39:55.000Like, who cares if there's a little box that I can put a drop of blood on that tells me what my CBC and Chem 7 and, you know, pick your other panel.
01:40:23.000I think they realized somewhere along the line that she was full of shit, and there was some text messages and emails that they read out from the CEO, because he had retired before it ever came to fruition, and then they backed out of it.
01:40:37.000But Safeway wanted to put them all in the stores and so you could be able to go shopping for food get your blood taken a little tiny pinprick and find out if anything's wrong with you right there and then But again, it still comes down to having somebody that can actually tell you what's wrong.
01:40:51.000And by the way, the stuff that was relevant, it's not like they're going to measure LP little a.
01:40:54.000It's not like they're going to tell you your APOE4 status.
01:40:56.000It's not like they're going to tell you, like, of the 10 most relevant things that I would look at in somebody's blood, they weren't measuring any of them.
01:41:02.000Is APOE4 the stuff that makes you more susceptible to CTE? It probably makes you more susceptible to CTE. It definitely makes you more susceptible to Alzheimer's disease.
01:41:15.000We know that there are other genes that can be protective and can completely abrogate the effect of APOE4, which is the gene that's the more risky one.
01:41:24.000When you hear about, I don't know what the gene is, but there is a gene that predisposes someone to breast cancer.
01:44:10.000So if you and I were killed in a car accident tomorrow, and they took our prostates out and sectioned them up, the likelihood that they would find prostate cancer cells in one of us is at least 50%.
01:44:21.000And those cells may or may not be a problem.
01:44:25.000Statistically speaking, they're not going to be a problem.
01:44:27.000Because remember this, with the exception of the brain, you don't die from cancer unless it spreads.
01:44:34.000So the brain is the one exception to that rule, right?
01:44:36.000If you have brain cancer, it can kill you just staying in your brain.
01:44:40.000But if you have lung cancer, or let's use prostate cancer or breast cancer, a woman never dies because breast cancer invades her breast.
01:44:49.000She dies because it spreads to her brain, her bones, her lungs, her liver.
01:45:10.000So you can remove the prostate surgically.
01:45:12.000This is a technique that was pioneered by a guy named Pat Walsh at Johns Hopkins in the 1980s.
01:45:18.000It wasn't that taking out the prostate was hard, it was taking it out while preserving sexual function was really hard.
01:45:24.000Because the neurovascular bundle of Walsh, which now bears his name, which is what controls erectile function, wraps around the thing you're trying to cut out.
01:45:35.000So it's like, how do you cut this gland out without taking out all of the nervous tissue that you need to maintain an erection?
01:45:43.000And so basically, prior to Walsh, you were almost guaranteed to never be able to get an erection after you had your prostate taken out.
01:45:50.000So you were staring down the barrel of not two very attractive choices.
01:45:55.000How many guys went out in their shield?
01:46:19.000You've probably had your PSA checked a bunch of times.
01:46:22.000PSA by itself is not a great blood test.
01:46:25.000You have to use more information than just the PSA. You have to know the PSA velocity and the PSA density.
01:46:31.000So the velocity is what's the rate of change of the PSA, and the density is dividing the PSA by the prostate volume.
01:46:39.000So if you get an MRI or an ultrasound, you can tell the volume of the prostate in grams, or the volume, and then you can turn it into grams.
01:46:45.000So you normalize PSA to volume or mass, and you have a density.
01:46:50.000And those two things become more suggestive.
01:46:52.000So once the PSA starts to look a little bit suspicious, and once it gets over about four, we do this 4K blood test, which is another form of liquid biopsy.
01:47:02.000And that gives you a much more interesting number.
01:47:06.000It basically tells you what's the probability that this person is going to have metastatic prostate cancer, not just prostate cancer.
01:47:14.000And if that 4K number is above a certain threshold, I think 7.5%, the probability that they're going to have metastatic prostate cancer approaches 85-90%.
01:47:26.000What are your thoughts on ketogenic diets in relation to cancer?
01:47:31.000Like, there's been a lot of articles written about the idea that cancer needs glucose to survive and then if you can keep your body functioning off of ketones, it's less likely that you get cancer.
01:48:20.000And also at that point I was switching more from ultra distance swimming and stuff into shorter distance swimming.
01:48:28.000Like I was doing more, you know, pool racing and more just shorter distance stuff.
01:48:33.000Also on the bike, I was going less from ultra-distance bike stuff to a 20-kilometer race or a 40-kilometer race.
01:48:41.000So as you move towards that new energy system, you just need more carbohydrates.
01:48:46.000But anyway, to your question, I think there's an awesome theoretical argument for it, but it's also important to understand that even when you're on a ketogenic diet, your glucose isn't zero.
01:48:57.000It's all about probabilistic reduction, right?
01:49:01.000That probably has a greater effect than keeping glucose lower.
01:49:04.000Because if you're on a ketogenic diet and you're not on a ketogenic diet, we're talking about a difference of one millimolar in glucose.
01:49:11.000So it's probably more the presence of the ketone, the reduction of the insulin, if anything, that's having a role.
01:49:18.000What I think is most interesting is not just a ketogenic diet.
01:49:21.000It's when you combine it with a drug called a PI3 kinase inhibitor, which is a drug that blocks a very important pathway for cancer to grow, but has one escape valve, which is it raises insulin.
01:49:35.000So that's a bad thing if you're trying to minimize cancer.
01:49:39.000So when you combine a ketogenic diet with a PI3 kinase inhibitor, at least in animal studies, which is about the extent of where this has been studied so far, the results look really good.
01:49:50.000Because PI3 kinase inhibitors by themselves have not panned out, even though theoretically they should.
01:50:50.000No, she literally has this one little foci of metastatic disease in her hip still, so this one little nubbin of potential cancer inside her hip bone, but it's stayed static.
01:51:05.000I mean, it's causing some structural issues.
01:51:08.000Obviously, her hip's weaker, but it's kind of amazing.
01:51:14.000Her story is actually kind of one of the things that's got some of the people who develop these drugs thinking about this idea of combining ketogenic diets with PI3K inhibitors to try to squash the insulin level and minimize basically that escape route for cancer.
01:51:50.000So the reason I stopped taking it three years ago, I took it for probably eight years, but three years ago I stopped because it does impair mitochondrial function, at least at the level that I can measure it.
01:52:04.000So I measure my lactate levels when I'm exercising in a certain type of exercise every day.
01:52:10.000And I'm basically trying to generate the highest amount of power I can generate on a bike while keeping lactate below 2 millimole.
01:52:19.000And that's like the limit of my mitochondrial throughput as kind of my maximum aerobic efficiency.
01:52:26.000And when I was on metformin, I just noticed like...
01:52:30.000I was hitting that lactate level higher than I believed I should hit it, just based on my fitness.
01:53:36.000I mean, the hazard ratios for each of these are pretty interesting.
01:53:38.000This has become like each year I try to bring one new focus into our practice.
01:53:43.000And the past 12 months, the focus has been entirely around taking exercise to a new level in terms of our understanding of how to fine-tune it.
01:53:56.000So everybody knows that if you smoke or have diabetes, your risk of death goes up a lot.
01:54:02.000But your risk of death from having high cardiorespiratory fitness goes down by much more than your risk of death goes up from smoking or diabetes.
01:54:13.000So smoking and diabetes will double or triple your risk of death depending on the time frame you're looking at.
01:54:21.000Having very high cardiorespiratory fitness, so having a VO2 max that is elite, we would define that as the top 2.5% of the population, compared to below average, is a five-fold reduction in all-cause mortality.
01:54:49.000And then when you layer in strength and muscle mass, we actually now have pretty good data as to the fact that strength is more important than muscle mass.
01:54:58.000Muscle mass is a good proxy for strength, but if you just focus on strength, that's the metric that matters.
01:55:02.000It's about a threefold reduction in all-cause mortality when you compare high strength to low strength.
01:55:09.000And the tests are, you know, we're talking, it's not like how much you can squat and deadlift.
01:55:13.000It's like grip strength, dead hang, how long can you do like an air squat?
01:55:19.000You know, like what's your quad strength?
01:55:21.000How quickly can you do five reps up and down from a chair?
01:55:24.000I mean, it's relatively simple stuff, but when you stratify people by those metrics and you compare the highest to the lowest performers, there's just no comparison.
01:55:33.000Is there a point of diminishing returns, though, where you just get really, really strong, but it's not helping you any more than being fairly strong?
01:55:40.000On the strength data, we don't see it because the data have only been parsed out as high to low.
01:55:45.000On the cardiorespiratory, there is a point of diminishing return.
01:55:48.000So remember I said elite is the top 2.5%.
01:55:53.000So we break them into five categories, but they're not equal in bucket size.
01:55:57.000You get most of the benefit, honestly, by going from not fit at all to average fit.
01:56:06.000Now that said, I hold myself and my patients to a way higher standard, which is we have a chart that shows all the data by age, by gender, and by VO2 max.
01:56:17.000And I would say, if you're a 52-year-old male, I'm asking you to have the VO2 max of an elite 42-year-old male.
01:56:25.000So I want you to be a decade younger elite.
01:56:28.000And then we do the same thing with strength metrics.
01:56:31.000And when you prescribe that, like say if you take a 52-year-old male that doesn't have a history of cardiovascular activity, maybe they lightly work out at the gym or something like that, what particular exercises do you think are the best to achieve that result?
01:56:47.000So we'd start with a base of zone 2. So this zone 2 is that lactate thing I was talking about.
01:56:52.000So your zone 2 is defined as the highest level of aerobic output that you can generate while keeping lactate below 2 millimole.
01:57:00.000So I think a bike is the easiest way to do this because...
01:57:05.000Stationary just because you can keep it steady state.
01:57:08.000When you're on the road, you're all over the place.
01:57:10.000So if you're on a stationary bike, and also wattage is such an easy metric for people to understand.
01:57:17.000So how many watts are you putting out, right?
01:57:19.000So the first thing we would do is say you probably need to be doing at least three hours a week of that zone two, which is building an aerobic base.
01:57:28.000So four 45-minute sessions at zone two, constantly driving it up.
01:57:34.000And honestly, one session of VO2 max training per week, and the best protocol for that is the 4x4 protocol.
01:57:40.000So that's four minutes at the highest output you can sustain.
01:57:44.000So here you could do it on an air bike or something, right?
01:57:47.000So you could do what's the highest wattage you can hold for four minutes, and then four minute recovery, and do five of those sets once a week.
01:57:56.000So when you're doing that, do you think that the best is like an airdyne that works the arms and the legs?
01:58:02.000Or do you think just a regular bike that just works the legs?
01:58:06.000For zone two, I mean, it really just matters that you're consistent.
01:58:10.000But I think most people find you can do a higher output when you're on an air bike in terms of absolute wattage because you are leveraging upper and lower body.
01:58:25.000Any kind of cardiovascular activity, but you need 45 minutes four times a week.
01:58:29.000That seems to be the minimum effective dose on Zone 2. Now, if someone's super deconditioned, it can probably be three 30-minute sessions to start, and they'll see benefit.
01:59:07.000Well, we hold males to the standard of two minutes and females to a minute and a half at the age of 40. So then it gets discounted by decade.
01:59:17.000You know, what's interesting, when we were hosting Fear Factor, Dead Hang was one of the stunts.
01:59:22.000These people hung from a chin-up bar that was over a bridge into a river.
01:59:27.000Do you remember how long people could go?
01:59:42.000Oh, it's harder the more you weigh, of course, but the idea is, in theory, you should be stronger if you're a man as well.
01:59:49.000Yeah, but if you're a 250-pound man and you're carrying all that extra weight because you've been doing bodybuilding-type exercises, and especially if you use straps and you don't have that grip, two minutes is a long fucking time, though.
02:00:03.000The very first time I did it, I did it after deadlifting.
02:00:07.000So my grip was a little taxed and I only got to 126. And then about a week later I tried again and I got to two minutes.
02:00:15.000My longest is a little over three minutes now.
02:00:21.000Like 171. And as you get heavier, your hand strength must really need to be a giant factor.
02:00:32.000If you're dealing with a guy who should be 171, like if you decided to bodybuild and you went to 250, that would probably radically decrease your amount of time.
02:00:42.000Yeah, although to your point, I would hope that I was using my grip strength to make that happen.
02:00:48.000I mean, grip strength is probably one of the most correlated indices with longevity.
02:00:54.000Yeah, I've heard that, but I don't know why.
02:01:22.000And one of the most common things is accidental deaths.
02:01:25.000And this is the most interesting trend is accidental deaths change so much by age.
02:01:30.000So in our age group, So by the way, accidental deaths are uniform across the population, but they become a much bigger source of death on a per capita basis as you get older because there are fewer older people.
02:01:43.000In our demographic, most accidental deaths are overdoses.
02:01:47.000When you're older, they become virtually all falls.
02:02:15.000The second reason I think grip strength matters a lot is it is such a good proxy for strength.
02:02:20.000Because one of the things I've learned in the past year becoming so obsessive with grip strength is how as my hands have gotten stronger, it's alleviated all the shoulders.
02:02:31.000Like I have a torn labrum here from my swimming days that is so painful.
02:02:35.000I thought I would never be able to do a dead hang pull up again.
02:02:39.000Because whenever I was in this full position, I'm putting so much stress on the labrum.
02:02:43.000So I would just, I was doing pull ups to here, right?
02:02:46.000Like I would, you know, I'd go from here to here.
02:02:48.000And then Beth Lewis, this person in our practice who is kind of like our strength guru, she was convinced that if I could just get my grip stronger, I would fix this.
02:02:58.000And I was like, Beth, that doesn't even make freaking sense.
02:03:00.000Like, why does having more grip fix my shoulder?
02:03:03.000But I just started doing everything she said, like all of these dead hang finger exercises and all this other stuff.
02:03:09.000And now, when I do a pull-up, I can dead hang with zero pain, and I'm just putting all this extra pressure in my finger.
02:03:18.000And I think the reason is, it is allowing us to potentiate force more stably from our scapula all the way through.
02:03:27.000And so much of the instability we have in shoulders and all these injuries is just because we don't transmit force correctly.
02:03:33.000So I think something about having really strong grip just basically fixes so much of the upper body strength imbalances that we have.
02:03:45.000And again, it's a proxy for people who don't fall.
02:05:07.000So you have to be able to hold 50% of your body weight and do a certain number of box step ups.
02:05:13.000You have to be able to farmers carry with 75% of your body weight.
02:05:16.000So we have a whole bunch of other things that have to do with ankle mobility.
02:05:19.000It's a lot of non-sexy stuff that is our top 10. And, of course, deadlifting and things like that are super important because that's a big part of how you train those things, but we also don't fixate on it.
02:05:31.000Like, my wife has scoliosis, and if she deadlifts, like, it just puts a little too much stress on her back, so she does hip thrusters instead.
02:05:38.000And you can get most of the hip hinge benefit using a hip thruster without having to deadlift.
02:06:12.000But I don't deadlift heavy these days.
02:06:14.000Like, I've been deadlifting relatively light, but I do it with, like, a...
02:06:19.000I do a very heavy focus on eccentrics.
02:06:21.000I do a no-touch deadlift where I'm only letting 50% of the weight down in between reps, so kind of more staying under constant tension as I lift.
02:06:43.000No, I haven't, but I've heard great things about it.
02:06:46.000But I wanted to ask you this before I forget.
02:06:48.000You had written something once about, I meant to talk to you about this, about deadlifts actually decompressing the spine, which I found so counterintuitive.
02:07:10.000The reason is if you have enough intra-abdominal pressure and you're putting your spine at just the right amount of extension, You're actually extending your spine when you lift because of the position of your hip.
02:07:30.000So it's hard to explain without feeling it, and it took me a really long time to feel this.
02:07:37.000But have you heard of dynamic neuromuscular stabilization?
02:07:57.000And this is a big part of it, is they can generate so much pressure in their abdomen that they're basically stretching out their spine, pushing out everywhere.
02:08:06.000So they have kind of a cylinder inside their body.
02:08:09.000And if you can't do that, you almost have like a triangle in your body with the diaphragm being the top and the pelvis being the bottom.
02:08:17.000So the force is not going out in all directions in the same way.
02:08:21.000So what you want is this force to be going out equally.
02:08:24.000And when I do that with a hex bar deadlift, I can hear my spine actually going like an adjustment.
02:08:34.000Just the same as when I'm dead hanging.
02:08:56.000Two finger breaths down, and as I'm laying on my back, I'm trying to put as much air into there as possible.
02:09:04.000And you want to imagine that your shorts, which have, you know, the ring that the waistband of your shorts make, you want to make it as big as possible in all directions.
02:09:13.000So you're trying to get air out into your back, you're trying to get air into your pelvis.
02:09:17.000So the first step is just being able to do that.
02:09:20.000And then eventually you want to be able to do that while breathing.
02:09:23.000Meaning you want to be able to get that pressure out and then take a breath.
02:09:27.000Because at first you won't be able to do that.
02:09:28.000At first you'll just blow out and you'll be holding your breath.
02:09:32.000So the next thing you want to do is be able to hold that while you breathe.
02:09:35.000And then we do some other exercises before we would go to deadlifting.
02:09:39.000So now you want to be able to get into certain positions where you're on your front and you're in opposite support.
02:09:45.000So the obvious one is like a bare position where you're on all fours, but then ultimately we get into these really complicated positions where you're on one elbow and the side of one knee, but you're keeping your pelvis totally level.
02:10:23.000The doctor, it took her a couple weeks to figure it out, but that first thing with like getting, trying to find like this position here where her back is up and her legs are like that, that's basically what fixed it.
02:10:34.000And just trying to get that breathing in after a couple weeks, all the pain kind of just kind of went away.
02:10:37.000So you see the one that's four to five months there, where she's in an eight, so where her left leg is out?
02:10:42.000So that's, to me, that is the gangster position that gets you ready to deadlift.
02:10:47.000When you can do what she's doing and now pick your hips up off the floor and stay perfectly level with only your left leg down and your right elbow down, and you'll feel, your spine will just go.
02:11:00.000You feel this total expansion, that tells you you have the intra-abdominal control to deadlift.
02:12:45.000But do you know how much weight are you...
02:12:47.000I just have one of these things that it hooks onto a door, the top of the door, and I pull the thing like this, click, click, click, click, click, click.
02:13:42.000So another exercise I do when on my back in that position with the intra-abdominal pressure is kind of look down at my chest and without lifting my head up, go through the initiation of a lift up.
02:13:58.000And to do that, you basically will end up using these deep neck stabilizers as opposed to the scalenes, right?
02:14:04.000You don't want to be moving your neck or stabilizing your neck with these muscles that are outside.
02:14:08.000You want to be doing it with the muscles inside.
02:14:10.000And that's what's extending the spine.
02:15:19.000He's a former NFL player, big fucking stout fella, and he developed this to aid in people, there's Tom Papa too, to keep people from, there's a lot of folks that get head injuries, and a lot of it is from the weakness of the neck.
02:16:07.000And then I turn around, I do it backwards, and then I do it sideways, so I have it going to my right side, I have it going to my left side, and then I do what they call the Stevie Wonder.
02:17:06.000I'm titrating my wattage to keep lactate at two millimole.
02:17:10.000I do one session a week of a higher-end anaerobic exercise.
02:17:14.000I typically do it on a stair machine, you know, those rotating stair machines where I just do, like, I'll do a one-minute sprint, a two-minute easy climb, one-minute sprint, two-minute easy climb, or four-on-four off on a bike, and then four sessions of strength a week,
02:17:30.000four strength sessions a week, and that's it.
02:17:31.000Like, I mean, this is the least I've ever exercised in my life.
02:17:33.000I exercise a total of 10 or 11 hours a week.
02:17:36.000Which is still, you know, a lot by most people's standards.
02:17:38.000By most people's standards, it is a lot.
02:17:39.000But by my standards, that's like nothing.
02:17:41.000Well, people need to understand that you're a fucking maniac.
02:18:44.000And I want to be able to hunt when I'm 80. And I want to drive a race car when I'm 80. And if I want to do that, I have to put in a lot of time right now to make sure I'm strong enough to do those things.
02:18:56.000Yeah, there's no other options, you know, especially for bone density and maintaining muscle mass.
02:19:05.000Yeah, the data is overwhelming, right?
02:19:07.000So there's a study that was done that looked at 60, I want to say 65-ish year old folks, and it put them on a super high strength training program.
02:19:16.000And in six months, they added one, I want to say 1.7 kilos of muscle mass.
02:19:26.000Six months of super dedicated training, and I forget exactly how much more protein they were feeding them, but so high protein diet, high training.
02:19:35.000A separate study took people of basically the same age and put them on 10 days of bed rest.
02:20:54.000You're going to lose about, I want to say lose a pound of muscle, gain two pounds of fat every couple of years by the time you're 40 if you don't make it, if you're not super diligent about avoiding it.
02:21:06.000And do you have a body fat percentage that you like to maintain?
02:21:42.000I was probably leaner when I was boxing.
02:21:44.000But when I was, like, as an adult, my leanest was 7% when I was keto by DEXA. And that was actually not that hard because, but I was exercising like a fiend and, you know, eating this stupidly strict ketogenic diet.
02:22:01.000But what I care much more about is visceral fat and what's called ALMI, Appendicular Lean Mass Index.
02:22:08.000And you can get both of these numbers off of DEXA. So visceral fat is how many pounds of fat do you have around your organs?
02:22:15.000And that's a far more important predictor of your lifespan.
02:22:19.000And what causes fat to accumulate around the organs versus subcutaneous?
02:22:24.000Well, the subcutaneous fat is sort of just, it's your excess depot.
02:22:28.000I mean, you can store an infinite amount of weight there.
02:22:31.000The visceral fat probably has to do with hepatic fat.
02:22:35.000You know, our liver produces a lot of fat.
02:22:39.000And I mean, if we're unhealthy, right?
02:22:47.000Yeah, alcohol is a huge contributor to it, but of course now there's something called non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, NAFLD, which is probably the leading indicator for liver transplant in the United States now.
02:22:59.000And that seems to be mostly driven by fructose.
02:23:48.000Yeah, I mean, if you want to drink your sugar...
02:23:53.000You're putting it on the fast track to the liver.
02:23:55.000Because your body does not normally encounter that.
02:23:58.000Your body normally encounters fruit with fiber.
02:24:02.000There's the speed with which it basically hits the liver is too high.
02:24:06.000For the liver to process it correctly?
02:24:08.000Yeah, and also it gets into other parts of the intestine that it wouldn't get to if you were eating it.
02:24:14.000So if you took 100 grams of sugar and you ate it in a solid food versus if you drank it, There's actually pretty interesting animal data that the fructose that you drink is making it all the way into the colon, and it's actually increasing the risk of colon cancer in a way that you wouldn't get it through solid consumption.
02:24:36.000Is there any danger in that, or is it just...
02:24:38.000On a per-molecule basis, it is the same fructose, but the dose, I mean, it's like...
02:24:44.000You know, one of my favorite drinks is a Paloma, like in far as like a summer cocktail, right?
02:24:48.000So I noticed this summer when I started making them, like how many grapefruits do I need to squeeze to get a 500 ml thing of grapefruit juice?
02:24:59.000And it's about 10 grapefruits this big.
02:25:49.000One thing it does do is you lose weight because you just don't eat anything else other than meat and your satiety levels are reached far quicker.
02:25:59.000You feel satiated in terms of like you don't want to eat any more steak.
02:26:06.000But if somebody pushed a bowl of pasta in front of me and said you could eat that too, I'd be like, oh, I'll fucking eat that whole thing.
02:26:47.000They were okay, but my ability to maintain for long periods of time was not so hot.
02:26:56.000Whereas, I could do like a Pavel Tatsylin type workout where I'm doing low reps, large amounts of rest in between the reps, but like rounds in the bag were horrific.
02:29:20.000When you're doing the carnivore diet, I think their idea is that they're trying to avoid plant chemicals that plants release when they're being consumed by predators, which does happen, right?
02:29:31.000Yeah, I guess I just – I have to feel like we have evolved enough tools to thrive despite plants.
02:29:38.000Like, I just – Well, isn't it also true that there's an effect that when you're taking in these plant compounds that are, you know, designed to ward off predation, that your body has a sort of hermetic effect?
02:29:53.000And it's actually somewhat beneficial to have those.
02:29:57.000That's Rhonda Patrick's take on things like broccoli sprouts and things along those lines, right?
02:32:05.000Because I feel like with those, I'm getting all the benefits.
02:32:09.000And I do know that you can take potatoes and boil them and then cool them off and then whatever it is that happens to the potato, you lose a lot of the negative effects.
02:32:20.000Yeah, there's this whole resistant starch argument.
02:32:23.000Again, for me, I take a much simpler empirical approach to this, which is I have in my mind a predefined set of metrics around how high I want my glucose to be, how much I want it to vary, and where I want it to average, and I titrate my intake to that.
02:32:39.000And you wear a constant glucose monitor, right?
02:33:05.000How much do you find it varies throughout the day, your glucose levels?
02:33:08.000Quite a bit, and it varies a ton with sleep and stress.
02:33:11.000So if you have a bad night of sleep, like I don't even wear this when I go hunting.
02:33:17.000Because you don't want to know your data?
02:33:18.000Well, first of all, there's a part of me that's perhaps naively worried that any sort of Bluetooth signal out there in the field is being picked up by a deer.
02:36:58.000And that whole world of magicians and people who understand how to distract you in a way that you don't notice what they're doing while they're doing it, but they have this insane hand dexterity,
02:37:14.000so they're moving in a way that a normal person can't even imagine that your hands can move.
02:37:20.000And they're shuffling these cards in front of you.
02:37:22.000You're not even seeing what's happening.
02:37:23.000Did you see that movie with Hugh Jackman and Christian Bale, The Prestige?
02:37:47.000He said, after my second dose of the vaccine...
02:37:49.000I noticed my heart rate was way higher than normal and my breath hold capacity went down significantly during sleep I'm at 65 to 70 beats per minute instead of 37 to 45 beats per minute during the day I'm now over Wow, I'm now always over a hundred beats per minute instead of 65 Even when I sit down and relax once I even reached reached 177 beats per minute while having dinner with friends three exclamation points Ten days after my second
02:38:20.000jab, I went to see a cardiologist and he told me it's a common side effect of Pfizer vaccine.
02:38:29.000Forty days after the second jab, I had no progress.
02:38:32.000So I went to see another cardiologist and got diagnosed with myocarditis and trivial mitral regurgitation.
02:38:41.000Which is basically an inflammation of the heart muscle caused by the immune system and some tiny leaks of blood from the valves that no longer close properly.
02:38:51.000I'm now struggling to reach 8 minutes breath hold, which is hilarious.
02:38:57.000150 meter DYN, I don't know what that means.
02:39:01.000And even have, what is 150 meter DYN? Do you know what that is?
02:39:05.000I don't know if that's dying, as in, I don't know.
02:39:07.000And even have a strong urge to breathe doing 40-meter dives.
02:39:13.00030% decrease in my diving performance, roughly.
02:39:16.000My first thought and recommendation to freedivers around the world is to choose a vaccine which is done the old-fashioned way like Sputnik, Sinovac, Sinopharm, etc., instead of the new mRNA vaccines.
02:39:30.000It's weird because he spells vaccines wrong every time.
02:40:15.000A year and a half ago, I remember thinking, you know, one silver lining of COVID is going to be that science will regain its place as, you know, an important part of our civilization, right?
02:40:30.000Like there was a day in the 1960s when a scientist and engineer was really respected and the best and the brightest kids wanted to go into those professions.
02:40:38.000And I don't think that's necessarily the case anymore, right?
02:40:40.000I mean, if you're a super bright kid today, you're going to go want to work at Goldman Sachs or something like that.
02:40:44.000And I remember thinking like, God, you know, if they develop a vaccine to this and, you know, develop a vaccine in a year, which is unheard of, it's going to really impress people.
02:40:56.000People are really going to think science is amazing.
02:41:00.000I think the exact opposite has happened, right?
02:41:02.000I think that there has been a fundamental confusion between science and advocacy.
02:41:08.000And I think it has done a huge disservice to science in the short term.
02:41:12.000And I don't know where it's going to shake out.
02:41:14.000I wish I had something I could go into a crystal ball and look back and say in 10 years, how will this have panned out?
02:41:24.000Guys like this, I completely believe that and I absolutely think that there are lots of side effects to vaccines.
02:41:30.000I still think for most people, vaccines are a net positive.
02:41:33.000But I think that there's been so much discussion of anything that talks about anything about a vaccine that's bad, we can't talk about because we've taken this advocacy view, right?
02:41:43.000So again, the difference is A scientific discussion is one that says, let's just talk about the facts, let's look at all of the facts, and let's speak with varying degrees of certainty and uncertainty.
02:41:55.000An advocacy view says, I have a point of view about what is important for your health, what I believe is important for your health, and if the message is, get vaccinated, then we're going to talk about that at the expense of talking about anything else.
02:42:08.000Including the negative effects of the vaccine.
02:42:10.000Including the negative effects of the vaccine.
02:42:12.000Or being able to talk about it in a nuanced way.
02:42:15.000Now, this is going to probably get me in a million piles of shit, but I'm not excited about getting my four-year-old and seven-year-old vaccinated.
02:42:52.000The reward, the Bitcoin, is so worth it compared to the downside of getting hit by a tricycle, which would hurt.
02:43:00.000If you're five years old, I mean, the risk of dying from influenza is five times higher than the risk of dying from COVID. So if we knew the vaccine was 100% safe and we had a million patients that had taken it and we could clearly document what the risk was,
02:44:37.000And again, it wasn't a huge trial, so I want to see more data.
02:44:42.000But in the roughly 2,000 people that got this that were divided into two groups, in the placebo group, so meaning the people who weren't getting an actual drug, the risk of adverse reaction was something like 6%.
02:45:40.000We became interested in it based on really early reports that suggested that it was minimizing long-term neurologic fog that some people were experiencing.
02:45:50.000And then there was a JAMA trial and then very recently a Lancet trial that was a bigger trial, a very well-done trial.
02:45:56.000And it, on an intention-to-treat basis, so meaning for all the people who took the drug versus those who didn't, and it's 10 days, 100 milligrams twice a day, it's about a 67% reduction in death and hospitalization.
02:46:09.000Just from an off-the-shelf SSRI. That's fascinating.
02:46:13.000So a cocktail or a stack of fluvoxamine, monoclonal antibodies, this Pfizer drug, all those things.
02:46:21.000I had great results with the monoclonal antibodies.
02:46:25.000All anybody focused on was ivermectin when people were upset at me.
02:46:30.000I said that casually with a list of all the other things.
02:47:15.000There's no antibiotic that I'm aware of that has a better safety profile than this.
02:47:18.000When you saw that goofy Rolling Stone article that claimed that there was a hospital in Oklahoma and that they had gunshot victims that were waiting to get into the emergency room because there were so many people who overdosed on ivermectin,
02:47:37.000It is a 100% fake story, but Rolling Stone printed it, and Rachel Maddow tweeted it, and then doubled down afterwards, and was claiming that there was calls to poison control.
02:47:50.000Like, which means jack shit if the drug isn't poison, you fucking idiot.
02:47:54.000Like, it's a dumb, that's a dumb thing to say.
02:49:05.000If you look at the Andrew Hill revised meta-analysis, and I think his is probably the best, and I think it came out in August, it looked at, if you included all those studies, including the fraudulent one, it looked really good.
02:49:21.000Ivermectin, with a p-value of less than 0.01, had a 90% reduction in hospital admission and death.
02:49:29.000Now, the minute you stripped out that one fraudulent study, the results became way less impressive.
02:49:34.000It went to a 38% reduction with a p-value of 0.05, which is right on the cusp of not even being statistically relevant.
02:49:54.000I don't know what's being tested in those five studies today, but I've, so I shouldn't speak because it's just not something I'm, I don't know the data well enough.
02:50:04.000What I was going to say is that the cocktail that I used, what I called the kitchen sink, was monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin, IV drips with a high dose of vitamin C, glutathione,
02:50:20.000zinc, and then I did NAD every other day.
02:53:22.000So that was like three days after, and I was like, I feel pretty good.
02:53:25.000And then by Friday, I was testing negative.
02:53:28.000By Thursday, I tested negative on one of those over-the-counter tests, but not like a PCR. Not a PCR. Friday, I tested negative, and then Saturday, I was working out.
02:53:39.000I mean, I'd put, of your cocktail, to me, the Mabs were, that's the linchpin.
02:53:44.000That's what I've been telling everybody, that when people get sick, like, I don't know if you've been paying attention to this Aaron Rodgers thing.
02:53:52.000He asked me what to do, and I... Look, in any other world, when a friend calls you up and you've been sick with something, you know, hey man, I got the thing that you got, what did you do that helped you?
02:54:04.000And I said, I really think the monoclonal antibodies helped.
02:54:06.000And I said, do you have access to those?
02:56:23.000I think he was worried about blood clots because it was like right around the time where people got blood clots, where they pulled it for blood clots.
02:56:54.000I mean, I think they're more reported now because I think we're realizing that there could be more things going on, right?
02:57:00.000Like at the time, put it this way, when a drug hits the market, the insert, the package insert basically says, these are the side effects we saw in the trial.
02:57:10.000These are the things you should be aware of.
02:57:12.000Well, at some point, the real world application of that is going to be greater, meaning the number of people that take it is going to be greater than what you see in the clinical trial.
02:57:21.000So We should see more side effects as time goes on.
02:57:26.000And obviously it's important that they're all reported because most of them are probably unrelated to the drug.
02:57:30.000I mean, we know that from clinical trials.
02:57:32.000Like if the placebo people are having more reactions than the drug people, but only by kind of capturing all of them will we see if a pattern's emerging.
02:57:44.000I mean, that to me is what's disappointing in all this is just that somehow this has turned into anything that questions the safety of this or the benefit of that somehow means you're anti that.
02:57:56.000I mean, I'm a very pro-vaccine person, but I still think to not ask the questions about the risk versus reward trade-off.
02:58:06.000Financial Times did a really nice analysis a few months ago that plotted by decade what the risk reduction was from the vaccine.
02:58:17.000So if you were 85, it took you from a risk of 2% down to a risk of 0.05% or something like that.
02:58:26.000And it did this if you're 80, 70, all the way down to 20%.
02:58:31.000And the first thing that jumps out at you, so their purpose of doing this analysis was to show that an immunized 80-year-old has the same risk as an unimmunized 50-year-old, which is pretty cool, because a 50-year-old's in pretty good shape.
02:58:42.000So if you're 80 and you get the vaccine, you're now like a 50-year-old walking around.
02:58:47.000But two things I found interesting about this.
02:58:49.000The first was everybody experienced about a 1.5 log reduction in risk.
02:59:22.000Because a 20x reduction when you're starting at 2% means you only need to treat 100 people to get the benefit.
02:59:31.000But if you're a 40 year old or a 30 year old And your starting point of risk is so low, a 20x reduction requires you to treat 10,000 people to see a benefit.
02:59:44.000So at some point, these curves intersect.
02:59:47.000The curve of risk from the vaccine and the curve of benefit from the vaccine.
02:59:52.000And that's where children come into play.
02:59:53.000And that's where, by my math, below the age of 13, I'm having a hard time seeing the data with the limited data set we have.
03:00:02.000I only have anecdotal evidence based on my own children.
03:00:05.000They both got COVID and it was nothing.
03:00:08.000I know that children have died from COVID, but I also know that those children, almost all of them, had pretty severe comorbidities.
03:00:17.000Yeah, I mean, I don't know the latest data.
03:00:19.000I know the New York database, which, you know, again, we're talking about, I mean, kids are dying way more commonly from influenza, from rotavirus, from other things like that.
03:00:30.000So again, look, if in a year we have enough evidence where that vaccine is just as safe as the MMR vaccine, great, let's do it.
03:00:38.000I'm just saying, like, it's not as pressing as it was for someone I thought even though my risk from dying of COVID was really low, I was more concerned with sort of the comorbidities of COVID. Right.
03:00:52.000There's been talk of people getting vaccinated and then catching COVID afterwards being one of the best ways To get really strong immunity.
03:01:05.000Because if you get vaccinated, you have a protection from death and hospitalization.
03:01:11.000And then if you get COVID, then you get the much more robust immunity that's imparted by the actual natural immunity from the infection.
03:01:18.000I think probably you're also getting, vaccines are, depending on which one you get, are typically highlighting B-cell or T-cell response.
03:01:28.000So the mRNA vaccines are really good at inducing B-cell immunity, which is antibody-based immunity.
03:01:36.000The adenovirus vaccines are better at inducing T cell immunity.
03:01:41.000What is more effective at stopping the virus?
03:01:44.000It's not clear, but my two cents on this as a former immunologist, but speaking like out of his ass a bit, is I think the best way to vaccinate will be one of each.
03:01:58.000I think that if you got an mRNA vaccine, and we don't have data on this yet, but I hope that we do have data to test this hypothesis.
03:02:06.000So you would get like one shot of the J&J, wait a while, and then one shot of the Pfizer.
03:02:11.000So my plan is to probably wait until Novavax gets approved in the U.S. before I get a booster and then boost with that or J&J. And what is Novavax?
03:02:27.000So if you look at the European data, it seems more effective than even the mRNA vaccines.
03:02:32.000Now, when you see people getting myocarditis and pericarditis and strokes and what have you, do you think some of that has to do with not aspirating?
03:02:43.000Like, if someone is shooting the vaccine directly into a vein inadvertently because they didn't aspirate, do you think that that could be causing some of these side effects?
03:02:53.000Because even when they did Joe Biden on television, they did not aspirate.
03:03:06.000Yeah, although typically with these intramuscular injections, they don't really aspirate.
03:03:11.000I mean, you know, I remember the first time I would teach a patient how to inject testosterone, for example, if they're doing it in the upper part of their glute, which is where you're supposed to do it, I would say, look, there's enough blood vessels there and it's a big enough needle, even though it's like a 23 gauge or maybe a 25,
03:03:32.000Typically, in the deltoid, you know, there's not really huge blood vessels there, but I don't know.
03:03:36.000I mean, that's an interesting hypothesis.
03:03:38.000Yeah, because it's a limited number, right?
03:03:41.000And if this stuff is causing this problem, like, why is it causing this problem with some people and not others?
03:03:47.000And if you're supposed to aspirate, but no one does, like, is that, I mean, there are blood vessels there, right?
03:03:54.000Yeah, I mean, they're tiny at that point, right?
03:03:57.000Because they're typically jabbing you with a little needle like this.
03:04:00.000What's more interesting is, has anybody looked at the amount of muscle mass in the different people who are getting this?
03:04:07.000In other words, are you more likely to get this?
03:04:09.000Are you less likely to get it in a muscular person because there's such a big target and you're almost guaranteed to be putting it right into the muscle?
03:04:45.000When we have these therapies that are available, these therapeutics, whether it's the new Pfizer stuff or for sure the monoclonal antibodies, which are very effective, why would anybody be continually pushing the vaccine on people who have already had COVID and recovered?
03:05:23.000In 50 years, this virus in one form or another will be a part of our ecosystem.
03:05:28.000So when I see the head of the CDC talking about the importance of wearing masks, I'm saying to myself, is the implication of what you're saying that we will wear masks forever?
03:05:40.000Because if it's important to wear a mask today for some reason that I can't understand, it will presumably be just as important in 50 years.
03:08:21.000It's like, I mean, just the other day, that video from that day, I mean, like the auto blip stopped working.
03:08:28.000So the first session I was out there, you know what auto blip is, but just for someone listening.
03:08:33.000So when you're downshifting a manual car, you have to rev match.
03:08:38.000You have to be able to As the clutch is in, you have to be able to hit the throttle a little bit so that the RPM goes up.
03:08:46.000And then as it's winding its way down is when you want to drop the gear so that you've rev matched so that you don't engine brake and unnecessarily slow down.
03:08:54.000So in formula cars, they auto blip because you're using paddle shifters now.
03:08:59.000And that means anytime you do a downshift, the sensor knows it and just hits a little blip.
03:09:06.000So I'm out there driving and like at the high gears when I'm going six to five and five to four, it's working.
03:09:12.000But when I'm going three to two, I'm not shifting.
03:11:15.000But that system that you have, like, I should tell everybody, Peter has this thing where you have, like, a steering wheel that's a yoke, right?
03:11:23.000Which is, by the way, I have that on my Tesla.
03:11:25.000I'm getting used to this yoke, which is...
03:13:59.000Let me see that from the beginning again.
03:14:02.000Just take it back to where it was or anywhere.
03:14:05.000When I'm watching this guy do this, it's like, that seems like, when you're looking at it through his POV, that seems like that would really make you a better racer.
03:16:33.000But you're still getting a ton of value out of this because, remember, the big part of the simulator is learning the track, is learning the line, and learning the steering control and the throttle control.
03:16:46.000Well, this looks pretty dope right here.
03:20:24.000It's not much different in terms of like the inside of it.
03:20:27.000I like this one better than the one that I had in LA. But in terms of the studio space, like where I'm at, Now that I'm putting a gym here, it's great.
03:20:39.000I loved having the gym there and having a sauna.
03:20:42.000Are you going to bring the archery simulator thing?