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00:00:21.000But we share a common interest, this fascination with ancient civilizations and the mysteries.
00:00:28.000The first video I think I saw of you was this video of these concentric circles in Africa that are remarkably similar to the descriptions of Atlantis.
00:02:06.000I was doing a couple of responsibilities, internal theft and fraud.
00:02:10.000So I was investigating employees that steal from the company.
00:02:12.000And I also managed the team that would bust the shoplifters, external theft and fraud.
00:02:17.000And that gig was awesome for a few years until, and I'm not talking crap about Target because it's a corporate thing.
00:02:24.000They're all doing the do more with less philosophy through attrition.
00:02:28.000They get rid of other positions and then they pass on those responsibilities to you and then you end up doing less of what you really want to do.
00:02:36.000For example, what I was good at was busting people that were stealing from the company, salaried managers.
00:02:48.000Well, so it could be something as simple as stealing cash, but that's like the easiest thing to catch, so that's more rare.
00:02:55.000Some people steal merchandise, so you've got to think about it.
00:02:57.000Like, if you were to take, because we were joking about DVDs earlier, no one's doing them anymore, but when I was last year in 2014, DVD box sets for like...
00:03:05.000Television series, those things would go 50, 60 bucks.
00:03:07.000But if you see a whole box of them and you sell them on the black market, there's no overhead.
00:03:12.000And other things that people do is mark things down.
00:03:15.000Like, you know, you'll have a TV or patio furniture or something, whatever.
00:04:50.000And I was sick and tired of all this stuff.
00:04:52.000Bureaucratic red tape shit of knowing that there's something a company could do better and has to go through so many people and no one listens.
00:07:01.000I've seen most of your videos on construction methods of Egypt, of the pyramids, and some of the videos on other structures that are there.
00:08:02.000And I was talking about his thoughts on intuition and where his inventions came from and how he would just sit around thinking up all of his inventions.
00:08:19.000Which I think a lot of people who are very creative, they think that way.
00:08:24.000A lot of singers will tell you that their songs come from just like they come from the air.
00:08:29.000You know, some of the best jokes that I've ever written just seemed like they've come out of nowhere, which is really confusing because it's like, you know, that's what the concept of the muse is, right?
00:08:38.000The concept of the muse is you sit like, have you ever read Steven Pressfield?
00:09:41.000And it's not like that you should only be ethical and kind because you feel like there's like a big guy in the sky watching you.
00:09:48.000But if you do uphold the principles, like the primary principles of Christianity, right?
00:09:56.000Do unto others as you would have to them to you.
00:10:00.000You know, treat everyone as if they are your brother or your sister and, you know, love and kindness and that, you know, all these different very...
00:10:10.000It's easy to understand principles of love and happiness and camaraderie.
00:10:15.000If you just follow those, they're really beneficial.
00:11:23.000Humor, the pleasure of art, of all things, whether it includes comedy or the way we feel when we see nature or a painting or anything else.
00:11:32.000And yet, I think that the meaning is the evidence of the divine.
00:11:36.000And I wouldn't say it as like, you're talking about God, it's like someone in the clouds or whatever, like, you know, going to judge us or something like that.
00:11:41.000But doesn't that mean that we're the universe experiencing ourselves or itself in some way?
00:11:46.000That the fact that we're Many people describe it that way, yeah, that we're the universe experiencing ourselves.
00:11:53.000If you wanted to be really pragmatic, you would say that all these things, whether it's love or creativity or the desire for success and to have your work appreciated, what all those things really do is they encourage camaraderie,
00:12:12.000which encourages cooperation, which gets more work done, Creativity encourages innovation, which creates better and newer things.
00:12:22.000And the desire to be appreciated for one's work makes one work extra hard to achieve these goals.
00:12:30.000But ultimately, what are all these goals?
00:12:39.000I mean, I've talked about this many times before because I'm obsessed with it, but for the people that have heard this, please forgive me.
00:12:44.000I am obsessed with the concept that human beings are essentially like a caterpillar that's creating a cocoon.
00:12:53.000And that out of this, this technological butterfly will emerge.
00:12:57.000And we don't even realize why we're doing it.
00:12:58.000The caterpillar is not consciously aware, hey, it's time to make the cocoon.
00:13:02.000The human being stuck in traffic, working a 9 to 5, working for Apple every day, is not really thinking, hey, I am a part of this thing that will one day give birth to artificial intelligence and to sentient beings that are made out of carbon and silicon and, you know, they're created in the laboratory rather than in a womb.
00:13:46.000It's that sometimes it's when I put the intention out into the universe, I'll give myself this feeling of self-belief that I am getting just the right title and just the right thumbnail to get me views.
00:14:07.000I want 1 million subscribers and I want to get videos to get millions of views and And I want to teach something to somebody in the process and have fun doing it and encourage other people to look into things.
00:14:17.000And the thing is, is that sometimes with some of these ideas, I'm like, from one second to the next, all of a sudden the idea comes and it worked out quite well in so many times over and over again.
00:14:29.000I mean, you think about what you're doing.
00:14:30.000You're sitting down there and you're thinking about it and you're focusing.
00:14:39.000Except for that sometimes I'll be tossing in over these ideas for weeks of focusing on it.
00:14:44.000And sometimes that's what delays me so long because if I have a good content, I'm like, I need to know how to share this.
00:14:49.000But if you can't market, especially with YouTube and how big it is now, and you've got to show somebody why they should click on your video and Just focusing on it enough isn't necessarily what's brought me my ideas.
00:15:02.000I've struggled tremendously by focusing too hard and then all of a sudden when I maybe let go a little bit, I get this flash and I'm like, ah, that's how it should look.
00:15:12.000Because especially when I'm, these topics I'm talking about, like the say Atlantis, which we're gonna have to talk about that.
00:15:17.000How do you make a video when there's like 10,000 other Atlantis videos out there?
00:15:22.000What's gonna make someone wanna click on this one More than the others.
00:15:47.000June, July, but those videos don't exist anymore.
00:15:49.000The earliest one you'll find on my channel will be, I believe, August of 2016. So it's been a process of trying to – I didn't have 100 subscribers for the first four months.
00:15:59.000You're obsessed with the subscriber number and the views and all that shit, huh?
00:16:01.000It was a goal, because I'm like, alright, so I did a complete 180 in my life, and I went from this path that was more, let's say, normal and all the checkboxes, and I'm like, well, if I'm going to do this, I want to be successful at it.
00:16:28.000I was wondering if you saw those videos, Joe.
00:16:30.000Yeah, no, that was a big one that I saw because I've been fascinated by the concept of Atlantis, you know.
00:16:35.000Ever since I had these conversations with Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock about the Younger Dryas impact theory and this concept that somewhere in the roughly around 11,000, 12,000 years ago, we were hit by a series of comments.
00:16:50.000And it's pretty evident that that's a fact.
00:16:53.000If you do the core samples of the Earth, they find this nuclear glass all over the Earth that exists in that time period.
00:17:00.000And it seems like something happened that reset civilization.
00:17:04.000And there's very little evidence of advanced civilizations before that up until recently, up until the last couple of decades.
00:17:14.000They started uncovering things like Gobekli Tepe.
00:17:17.000And all these other structures that are clearly from more than 12,000 years ago.
00:17:22.000And they're really complex and really large with enormous stones.
00:17:26.000And it's sort of caused people to rethink the history of the earth and the history of human civilizations.
00:17:32.000And Atlantis has always been the big one.
00:17:35.000That has been the one that everybody talked about was this incredibly advanced civilization and no one can figure out where it is.
00:17:44.000I think that Atlantis, because surely that wouldn't have been necessarily the name just through like the change of language, you know, over, let's say, 12, 13,000 years ago, which would be the time frame.
00:17:54.000So like surely there would be several different changes of language, but I think it represented a civilization that was doing great things.
00:18:01.000They were more global than what many people think would be possible.
00:18:06.000Atlantis was said to be a kingdom made up of I think?
00:18:34.000Uncle separated by six generations, but what most people don't realize is that Solon had traveled to Egypt, and so it's the ancient Egyptians is where that tale comes from, which makes it even more bizarre because I would argue that the most spectacular ancient civilization is the Egyptians.
00:19:51.000I'm not even 100% certain Atlantis existed.
00:19:53.000What I am certain is that humans were doing spectacular things in a civil, you know, a cataclysmic event happened called the Younger Dryas and reset something for somebody.
00:20:01.000Is there a natural explanation for this formation?
00:20:21.000I'm not necessarily disagreeing with that.
00:20:23.000I'm just saying I would like to know where sometimes they get these figures from.
00:20:26.000Explain to me why it was 100 million years ago and not 99 or 98, because here we are talking about how crazy things changed in just the last 12, 13,000 years.
00:20:36.000So when they throw around these numbers, you know, 1 million years in itself is an incredibly long period of time.
00:20:42.000Getting back to your question, some had originally thought that maybe it was an impact site from an asteroid perhaps, but there's no evidence for it.
00:20:51.000The problem is there's these concentric circles.
00:20:56.000I've never seen anything, obviously I'm not an archaeologist, but I've never seen anything like this.
00:21:02.000I mean, if you study structures that are like man-made structures, I've never seen anything like this that humans have made, but I've definitely never seen like...
00:21:11.000Go to that one where your cursor's on, Jamie.
00:21:17.000Okay, one step at a time because we also have to take into consideration that people are just listening.
00:21:21.000So kind of describe what we're looking at here.
00:21:24.000Okay, so what you're looking at is approximately 250 miles inland in the total barren desert of Mauritania, Africa.
00:21:33.000But this image looks like, why is it blue?
00:21:35.000That's just showing you the- What it used to look like?
00:21:38.000No, this is what it looks like right now through, I forgot what you call this type of animation, but it's essentially, it's a satellite imagery that they enhanced in order for you to see the difference in elevation and the actual structure to itself.
00:21:49.000Okay, so if there was water in this area, you would see it this way, that it would be these concentric circles that are raised above the water, and then the water would be inside of it like that.
00:22:01.000Well, just to clarify, this particular image, no, this is not trying to represent water.
00:22:05.000So that blue is actually picking up on salt.
00:22:23.000And so some people say this was never under the ocean, at least not for the last...
00:22:28.000Tens of millions of years is what the scientists claim.
00:22:31.000I argue that since the salt is still there, and not only that, Jamie, if you go to the other images that show you more of the white, the one that you were previously on, the one to the middle to the left, right there.
00:22:44.000So those areas with the most white blemishes happen to be the areas that are the lowest in elevation, which to me tells me that saltwater had settled there.
00:24:26.000So remember when Randall was on your show and he showed you the Missoula floodplains and all those giant ripples from the huge current that it went through?
00:25:10.000And by the way, I'm quoting MIT research here.
00:25:13.000The Sahara goes back and forth from green to desert approximately every 20,000 years.
00:25:19.000They believe it has something to do with the Earth's tilt, and that's worth discussing.
00:25:23.000So this whole area, because people are like, well, that's not Atlantis.
00:25:26.000I'm like, well, first of all, if this whole, if the Western, or excuse me, the Sahara Desert was a lush green tropical paradise, which had the largest known freshwater lakes ever known to have existed, for example, Mega Lake Chad, which is, it's like three times more water surface than all of the North American Great Lakes combined.
00:25:52.000It was when it existed, and that was at the time when the Sahara was green.
00:25:56.000And it also had some of the largest known rivers that were known to have existed throughout the world.
00:26:02.000I think they'd still be ranked 10th today or something like that.
00:26:05.000So when you see this, people have to imagine that this area was once green and that...
00:26:13.000Because one of the arguments I make is that the fact that that salt is on top of that dirt to me is indicative that the ocean flowed over here far more recently than what people think.
00:26:29.000So the circles themselves is about 14 and a half miles across.
00:26:35.000However, if you go the complete shebang, the whole circle itself is just shy of 30 miles.
00:26:41.000So the whole thing is 30 miles, which would be like the size of a city.
00:27:01.000Because of loss of translation, that we should consider the measurements a key detail.
00:27:05.000The question becomes, is it big enough to be a city with possibly millions of people?
00:27:09.000Because the way it was described is that it was a city that was said to be busy all day, all night, rich in trade with languages spoken from all over.
00:27:18.000So I'm like, okay, that would imply millions of people.
00:27:22.000I mean, if a city is busy all day and all night, I think of large metropolitan areas like New York, Chicago, London, whatever.
00:27:27.000And so if this was indeed an ancient or a site of an ancient civilization, well, then it would have – I mean, they're obviously not going to have skyscrapers.
00:27:37.000So it would have to be an area big enough to sustain that many people, and the Rishat structure certainly does.
00:27:43.000And so the idea would be that this would lead out to the ocean and that these circles would be where the water is and the ridges would be where the structures are, where the houses and the buildings are.
00:27:56.000And people will say, well, where is that stuff now?
00:29:01.000So the implication is that it was blasted by water, and then after that, the wind has done its thing and moved the sand all over it and in between.
00:29:09.000So 20,000 years ago, this was all green, lush forest?
00:29:16.000So I could show you- When did they think Atlantis was?
00:29:19.00011,600 is allegedly when it was destroyed, which mirrors the Younger Dryas climate catastrophe.
00:29:26.000So this is 600 BC, and Plato said that it happened 9,000 years earlier, so that would be 11,600 years ago, which coincides with the Younger Dryas climate catastrophe, which makes it so compelling.
00:29:39.000To me, that is actual scientific evidence that indicates that Atlantis actually existed.
00:30:06.000Well, we all, we definitely know that the Younger Dryas impact theory is extremely plausible.
00:30:13.000There are, without a doubt, many, many impact points on Earth where they find this tritonite, this nuclear glass, which you can get either from a nuclear explosion or you get it from some sort of a meteor impact,
00:30:31.000And we know that, all over the planet, I should say, we know that that happened.
00:30:35.000This is real hardcore geological evidence.
00:30:39.000So, if we know that there were structures before that, which we do now because of Gobekli Tepe and a few other places that they're reasonably sure were pre-11,000 years ago, 12,000 years ago, then we know that something was around back then that was very sophisticated.
00:31:08.000And there's some great ones in Russia as well where these photographers have taken to going into these abandoned cities and watching the nature, like watching trees and the greenery consume these houses.
00:31:24.000But in Detroit, we're only talking about a couple decades.
00:31:27.000You've got trees growing through the center of houses.
00:32:22.000In four years, I mean, if you came back four years later and you saw that the house was abandoned, like, right now, in 2009, it looks like a normal house.
00:32:29.000Like, you drive by, oh, there's a house.
00:32:31.000In 2013, you go, oh, the house is getting eaten by trees.
00:32:34.000But there's some other ones from Detroit, Jamie, where you can see houses where the trees are actually growing up through the center of the house.
00:33:20.000If they were to, what makes you think that they would choose petroleum for it because the hemp plant used to grow naturally throughout the world before it was eradicated, and you can make completely biodegradable hard plastic out of hemp plants.
00:33:33.000Yeah, you can, and this is something we absolutely should be doing right now.
00:33:41.000Isn't it fascinating, though, when you think about the idea that these civilizations were super advanced but did it in an incredibly different way than the way we're doing it?
00:33:53.000We think that the only way to be super advanced is to have heavy machinery, to have electronics, to have 5G wireless internet access and all these different things.
00:34:04.000But what they did somehow was figure out a way how to cut these immense stones and move them from hundreds of miles away.
00:34:14.000And they figured out how to do this where they left behind no evidence of the construction.
00:35:33.000Like if you type Bright Insight Corsetti.
00:35:34.000So I'm Jimmy Corsetti to anyone listening.
00:35:36.000And I decided to keep my last name off the internet because when I first started this, I'm like, all right, I'm talking all kinds of crazy topics.
00:36:00.000What's fascinating to me is how they're uneven, but yet they're perfectly fit into place.
00:36:06.000I mean, what I mean by uneven is they're a bunch of different shapes.
00:36:10.000For the people that are just listening, and if you go to the bright underscore insight Instagram page, there's plenty of images that Jimmy has up here, but these stones are much, much taller than him.
00:36:24.000They're immense, and they're these weird shapes, but yet they fit into each other perfectly.
00:36:30.000But what's crazy also is they're smooth in some places where they're like, it's almost like artistic, right?
00:36:38.000Like the way they jumbled them all together, but like perfectly fit them.
00:37:11.000It's hard to say because a lot of the structures in ancient Egypt, especially the Old Kingdom, they found them underneath where they were buried by sand.
00:40:01.000But it was a gentleman and he was moving blocks.
00:40:03.000But the thing that people need to realize is that There are hundreds and hundreds of other structures right around the Great Pyramid that are unbelievably smaller and the blocks are unbelievably smaller than the ones in the pyramid.
00:40:15.000There's a lot of things that were built there over a few thousand years.
00:40:33.000But either way, it is a limestone receipt.
00:40:36.000So there was some sort of trade in these stones.
00:40:40.000And is there any depictions of transport of these blocks?
00:40:45.000Zero, except there is one that was, I don't know if it was the Tomb of Renkara or whatever, I might be getting the name wrong, but it shows a 58-ton statue that they dragged on sleds, and it seems to depict them pouring water,
00:42:18.000See if you can find the time-lapse videos of them moving buildings from the 1930s.
00:42:24.000Not only did they move these buildings like several inches a day, and they completely rotated like 180 degrees where the foundation of the building lay, but they also kept the power and electricity and the gas on.
00:42:41.000People didn't quit working the entire time.
00:42:43.000Yeah, the people that were in the building kept working.
00:42:45.000So it's an eight-story, 11,000-ton Indiana Bell building rotation in 1930. So in 1930, first of all, you have to take into consideration the sophistication of the machinery was very different than we have today.
00:43:00.000I mean, most of these buildings are made with bricks.
00:43:06.000I'm sure you've seen those construction photos of these guys that were eating lunch on a beam high above New York City, which is fucking wild.
00:43:22.000But that video of this building, I mean, you think about it, this is in 1930, and, you know, obviously we can do much more today than we could then, but what they did, play it?
00:43:51.000Although one random thought I'm having is that with that prior illustration of that 58-ton statue, there's other ones in Egypt called the Colossae of Memnon, and those are 720 tons apiece, and they were carved estimated out of one piece of stone.
00:45:22.000They just think of the three big ones in Giza.
00:45:25.000But all of these, if they were said to be tombs for the pharaohs, which I don't agree with, and for a variety of reasons, they were all said to be done in a chronological order and within a certain period of time.
00:45:37.000And I'm like, when we were talking tens of millions of stone blocks in aggregate, because like the Great Pyramid is 2.3 million, you have the other couple that are a couple million a pop, and then does include all the other tens of millions of blocks that make up statues— I mean,
00:45:53.000I estimate, and this is just a ballpark, but it had to have been at least 50 million stones cut throughout ancient Egypt.
00:46:00.000And I'm like, when you're doing it with methods that can barely get more than an inch an hour, and by that I'm talking a copper saw, and they pour in sand and water, and essentially the quartzite particles are what's cutting it.
00:46:13.000But Joe, it's so slow, and not to mention the precision is nowhere near it.
00:46:22.000Because there's a few things people need to know is that nowhere in all the tens of thousands of hieroglyphs found throughout ancient Egypt, not one single one of them shows anything about them cutting stone, nor does it show anything depicting the construction of a pyramid.
00:46:37.000Well, we lost a lot during the Library of Alexandria burning, right?
00:47:12.000Yeah, they invaded, but do you think, like, he was there?
00:47:15.000Like, they probably had a bunch of barbarians at the helm, and these savages were bloodthirsty, and they were getting crazy and killing people and taking over Egypt.
00:47:42.000It just seems to me that throughout war, people gather intelligence whenever they capture somebody or they kill them.
00:47:47.000And it just seems to me that the Caesars would have possibly, maybe they did, maybe they didn't, maybe they burnt it all down, or maybe they kept that stuff.
00:47:58.000Yeah, because there's so much shit there.
00:48:01.000I knew that there was an immense amount of artwork there, but when you actually go there and you see the billions and billions of dollars worth of art that was accumulated over who knows how many hundreds, if not thousands of years,
00:48:28.000It's like the Romans, you got to think about, because that all originates from the Romans.
00:48:31.000I just want to remind everybody that when they took over a quarter of the world's population, all of Europe, they didn't show up like, hey, can we have your land?
00:48:39.000Everyone that didn't speak their language was a barbarian, and they pillaged, raped, and just stole it.
00:52:15.000I mean, you're talking about a time, you know, 1,000, 2,000 years ago.
00:52:20.000Where you're dealing with the Roman Empire, you're dealing with the Germans and the barbarians and the Mongols and the Khans, and there's so much chaos and barbarism.
00:52:33.000There's so much slaughter and Just hardcore, hand-to-hand combat.
00:52:39.000Genghis Khan was lighting bodies on fire and launched them in catapults.
00:52:56.000What is important is that they did have, in the center of one of their courtyards, They have an obelisk from Egypt that they had imported somehow or another, this fucking immense stone obelisk.
00:54:09.000Yeah, Cleopatra's Needle in New York City is one of the three similarly named Egyptian obelisks erected in Central Park west of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in Manhattan in January 22, 1881. Wow.
00:54:34.000You had the ancient Greeks invaded, the Romans invaded.
00:54:39.000I mean, Alexander the Great went through.
00:54:41.000Egypt was, for whatever reason, a highly desirable spot where it has been completely numerous times over history has been just completely destroyed.
00:54:51.000Decimated and stolen and everything else.
00:54:55.000And I find that interesting, Joe, because I'm like, they were drawn to it for who knows how many different reasons.
00:55:01.000I mean, why would they feel, over thousands of years, people have been trying to take that place over, and have, actually.
00:55:09.000Because even the British, when you look at their more modern history, Joe, that place has been completely screwed with for thousands of years.
00:55:19.000And it's worth mentioning that if you go back to the alleged pyramid builders, which was said to be the fourth dynasty of 4,500 or so years ago.
00:55:33.000There's pretty good evidence that it's 2,500 BC was the construction date of the pyramids, right?
00:55:37.000Well, yes, and I don't necessarily disagree with that, but here's what my issue is, that a lot of people don't realize that—so that was said to be the Old Kingdom, and there's been three kingdoms, Joe, and three what they call intermediate periods.
00:55:51.000So, for example— 4,500 or so years ago, Great Pyramid, the Pyramids of Giza.
00:55:57.000Within 1,000 years after that, there was two periods of time where there's approximately 345 years of lost history.
00:56:05.000And they call them intermediate periods.
00:56:08.000So it went from Old Kingdom, intermediate period, which was like 120-something years, to Middle Kingdom, and then another one of like 200-something years.
00:56:16.000So within less than 1,000 years after the alleged times that they were built...
00:56:21.000They – there's more than 300, almost 350 years of – because there was turmoil, by the way.
00:56:26.000The intermittent periods were – there was revolts.
00:56:28.000It was complete overthrow of the dynasties, civil war.
00:56:32.000So I'm like, what is it that – the reoccurring theme that we see whenever there's a war?
00:56:37.000You know, the, you know, history is written by the victor, so to speak.
00:56:42.000I think it was Winston Churchill that said that.
00:56:43.000And it's like, in those periods of time, when whoever took over and took the power and claimed that kingdom for themselves, which may have been inner, it may have been like, you know, a civil war revolt, whatever, revolution of some kind.
00:59:02.000The ancient city of Nineveh was said to be where Jonah had went after he escaped the whale from the biblical story.
00:59:08.000And so that's the same gate that allegedly he had went.
00:59:12.000And so, Jamie, if you could just bring up – Because there's a specific – a few articles that show that spot and these huge – are you familiar with the winged bulls?
00:59:29.000And so they – these things were unbelievably impressive and they went through ISIS. Joe, they got huge – Earth-moving equipment, like dozers.
01:01:13.000This can't be the first time humans have invaded a place and destroyed stuff from the past because they didn't want to exist, maybe for religious reasons or for whatever.
01:01:22.000And so when I hear about this lost history in Egypt immediately after the dynasty that was said to have built the pyramids, it makes me wonder what history was lost in that process by either claiming it for themselves, like, I did this, and then essentially that was passed down to something we are talking about today.
01:01:43.000You look at those images, it's so hard to watch.
01:01:45.000You know, because I've been obsessed with the ancient Middle East as well, like the ancient Sumerians and Mesopotamia and basically the cradle of civilization, of what we know of civilization.
01:01:59.000To see them just destroy those things, like fucking Christ.
01:02:12.000Most humans would revere those things.
01:02:14.000Most humans would look at those things and say, my God, what incredible structures, and this is a window into the past, and we could try to figure out what these people were like, and what life was like.
01:02:49.000So I volunteered to go there because I thought I was liberating the Iraqi people.
01:02:53.000And coming home and seeing that in the way that – so one of the worst things you could say that happened when ISIS invaded is that they killed off the Yazidi people, which were a completely peaceful people who lived essentially in northern Iraq, Kurdistan.
01:03:06.000And these people were absolutely harmless.
01:03:09.000And they came through and they killed the men and they took the women.
01:03:13.000So along with killing or beating up those statues, they were also completely decimating the people themselves.
01:03:21.000And this is modern humans, which, relatively speaking, are less vicious and less barbaric.
01:03:30.000I mean, if you study like Steven Pinker's work, as you go back in history, people are more violent.
01:03:37.000As you go forward in history, life is safer.
01:03:40.000And you have less crime and less rape, less murder.
01:03:43.000So, going back to your point when we were talking about the Romans and the savages and the, you know, the barbarians.
01:03:50.000So, let's back up another 2,500 years before even them, which would be like Great Pyramid of Giza time.
01:03:57.000So, isn't it fair to say that those people would have been capable of destroying and just doing their dirty work well, you know, despicable, barbaric savagery?
01:04:09.000So, it makes me wonder, like, I think that there is...
01:04:12.000Okay, so for example, when I was saying that there's no depictions of any kind of how they cut these stones, I think it's because someone destroyed that, honestly.
01:04:19.000I don't think it's because they didn't record it somewhere.
01:04:21.000I think it's just somewhere along the line, somebody beat the shit out of it.
01:05:30.000You have some that's incredibly crude and some of it truly megalithic and spectacular.
01:05:34.000And what I argue, and others do as well, is that simply you're looking at two different things done by different people in different periods of time that had different capabilities.
01:05:42.000And some were more impressive than others.
01:05:45.000What's interesting is, at least as far as carbon dating, some of the least impressive stuff is the later stuff.
01:05:51.000That's what's so interesting, Joe, is that the most spectacular stuff is the oldest.
01:05:55.000And that's why, to me, I wonder, one, if the pyramids could be older.
01:06:01.000And if not, I think that our understanding, because it's one of two ways.
01:06:05.000Either they're older and we have since, because of time and the sands of time, have lost how they did it.
01:06:10.000Or our understanding of what the so-called dynastic Egyptians were up to 4,500 years ago is just significantly different than what we know today.
01:06:18.000But, correct me if I'm wrong, but they have carbon dated some of the material that's inside of the cracks of some of the stones, and that's what they come up with is 2500 BC. I think even Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson and Robert Shock and all these other people that are arguing for an earlier date for some of the construction,
01:06:40.000they believe that, like the Great Pyramid of Giza, that that one is 2500 BC. They certainly do, and I'm not disagreeing.
01:06:47.000It is possible, though, that the Egyptians had restored those casing stones because if you look at the Great Sphinx, it's already known – so the Great Sphinx is supposed to be 4,200 years old.
01:06:59.000But something like 100 or 200 years after that is the evidence of the first restorations of adding more casing stones.
01:07:06.000And so it's like, well, maybe that happened to the pyramid as well.
01:07:10.000So technically, it doesn't prove that that is the birth of the Great Pyramid, but that the earliest evidence of when humans had did something to it since.
01:08:55.000But Robert Shaka, I've had on the podcast before, he was the first geologist to stick his neck out and say that the water erosion around the Temple of the Sphinx indicates thousands of years of rainfall.
01:09:08.000And like you were saying, when it comes to the Sahara...
01:09:12.000It's the same thing with the Nile Valley.
01:09:14.000The last time there was significant rainfall in the Nile Valley was 9,000 years ago.
01:09:18.000And then you have to look at the thousands of years of rainfall required to make these deep fissures in the stone where the softer areas are eroded and you have these deep vertical fissures that indicate that water coming down from the top and leaking through have created all this stuff.
01:09:37.000And so his timeline is thousands of years before 9000 BC because it's required that much time to create this erosion.
01:09:47.000That's very controversial around traditional, like the Egyptologists that want to follow the conventional timeline.
01:09:56.000They come up with all sorts of alternative reasons for why these fissures exist, but One of the more fascinating things that Robert Schock did was he put masking tape over the areas that would clearly indicate where this was happening,
01:10:13.000and he brought it to a series of geologists, and he said, does this image represent, in your opinion, wind and sand erosion, or does it indicate water?
01:10:27.000All of them said it indicated rainfall.
01:10:29.000And then when he pulled it aside and showed that this was actually the Sphinx, they were like, I'm not putting my fucking name on that.
01:10:37.000Like, very few of them wanted to stick their neck.
01:10:39.000More have since, since he's come forward.
01:10:42.000There's been many geologists that have agreed with him.
01:10:44.000But initially, people were very hesitant to stick their neck out.
01:10:47.000Because in academia, which is really fascinating...
01:10:51.000Challenging conventional ideas gets you in deep shit because even though we would like to believe that these archaeologists and scientists and historians only base their opinions on data, only base their opinions on what's in front of them,
01:11:09.000A lot of them have a long history of teaching things that eventually turn out to be incorrect and they are deeply embarrassed and they fight it tooth and claw.
01:11:20.000They do everything they can to discredit any idea that they could be incorrect.
01:11:27.000And one of them that was fascinating to watch was John Anthony West and Robert Shock had had this conversation about the Sphinx and about the erosion of the Sphinx with this conventional Egyptologist that was working with Zawi Hawass, who was the head of antiquities.
01:11:43.000And when they did have this conversation, the way this guy was mocking them, the way this guy was saying, where's the evidence of this civilization from 12,000 years ago capable of doing this?
01:11:54.000He was using your mocking voice, like using the voice that you use for your detractors.
01:12:00.000And it wasn't a scientific conversation.
01:12:02.000It wasn't a fact-based, objective analysis of all the evidence that's in front of you.
01:12:08.000It was instead this guy trying to defend these decades of teaching.
01:12:14.000He's been writing books and papers and teaching lectures about this stuff, and it turns out he's probably really wrong.
01:12:22.000And he was fighting it with every ounce of his being.
01:12:26.000Now, since that, Then the excavation of Gobekli Tepe took place, where they realized that this is undeniably at least 12,000 years old, because it was covered somewhat intentionally.
01:12:44.000They think that intentionally it was covered up, that it was buried 12,000 years ago.
01:12:49.000So that means, well, how long was this fucking thing built?
01:12:55.000If someone intentionally covered it up 12,000 years ago, how long was it around before they did that?
01:13:01.000So this is that evidence that that guy was talking about.
01:13:03.000This evidence of an advanced civilization...
01:13:06.000Now we know for sure there's evidence of an advanced civilization.
01:13:09.000We have the actual stone structures, we have the actual carbon dating, and not just a little bit of it.
01:13:14.000We have massive amounts of it because the entire structure has been slowly excavated and it reveals this enormous A series of buildings and of stone columns and 3D carvings that are in it.
01:13:33.000And the idea that this was all done by unsophisticated hunters and gatherers who had time to build this in between, like, eating berries and trying to kill squirrels.
01:13:49.000So what I had heard is that when that was when he presented that water erosion evidence of the Sphinx, apparently he was at like a conference of nearly 200 geologists and everyone in the room was like, uh-huh.
01:13:59.000Yeah, that's because he did a comparison essentially is like, Yes.
01:14:28.000I'm somebody that can look at—I mean, I know more than maybe some, but I can look at information and think for myself on a variety of topics.
01:14:35.000Just show me I want to hear both sides, and I can think.
01:14:38.000And what's so interesting to some people who are trying to debunk Dr. Robert Schock's work— It's like, you know, because we have www.google.com, you can literally go and look for examples of limestone from around the world that have known water erosion and then go do the same for wind and sand erosion.
01:15:06.000You don't have to go to school for a bunch of years to get a doctorate in geology to at least wrap your head around that it is indeed water erosion.
01:15:15.000And the implications of it are astounding because it means that if the Sphinx is supposed to be 4,200 years old, and yet the last time the Nile Delta region had significant rainfall was nearly double the age of that, that in itself...
01:15:29.000I mean, I would consider it to be scientific evidence that it is older.
01:15:33.000Well, it's the hardest evidence we have, really.
01:15:35.000Geological evidence is the most tangible because you could actually see it.
01:15:42.000And everything else, they're slowly uncovering history.
01:15:46.000And as they're literally uncovering it, they're digging this stuff up.
01:15:51.000And particularly in Egypt, what's really fascinating is that they find these completely different These building structures, like these construction methods, if you go back to the older buildings that are deeper under the ground,
01:16:07.000they have a very different style to them.
01:16:16.000Like as like these structures in these hallways and columns and it's like you clearly see the difference between the stones where they laid stones next to each other and this one where there are immense stones sitting on other immense stones.
01:16:29.000There's a very specific style to them and it seems like the more sophisticated methods are the older methods because the stones were larger.
01:16:39.000And the reality is that what we know, the ancients were more advanced than what we give them credit for.
01:16:47.000And one thing I've seen as I've gone down this path about talking about potential lost technology is people need to realize like the word advanced is relative.
01:16:54.000When you say that they were advanced, some people will jump to the conclusion like, oh, so you're suggesting they had internet and let's go back to that voice again.
01:17:00.000And Wi-Fi and other things like advanced is relative.
01:17:03.000It means that they had more capabilities than what we give them credit for.
01:17:09.000Yeah, it's another thing I was about to say is that I'm losing my train of thought on that.
01:17:22.000When people think technology, some people jump in like, well, does that mean they have lasers, machinery and stuff?
01:17:27.000I'm like, no, it just means they had a capability that is since gone or we're just not aware of.
01:17:32.000Well, let's talk about the sarcophagus in the King's Chamber and the way that they somehow or another carved it out.
01:17:39.000Because there's real evidence that there was some sort of a circular drilling tool that they used to carve out the inside of the sarcophagus.
01:17:47.000And something that had an incredibly hard cutting surface.
01:17:54.000They don't know what it was, but if you go to...
01:17:57.000There's images of the inside of the sarcophagus.
01:18:03.000And they showed that they were trying to figure out how this thing was carved.
01:18:08.000See if the carving methods, circular drill, type in circular drill carving.
01:18:18.000There was this whole debate about how they dug it out.
01:18:24.000Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it made out of one large piece of granite?
01:18:40.000There was some sort of a documentary that was pointing to some aspect of it that said it seemed like they used some sort of a circular drilling tool to hollow out the center of this thing.
01:19:27.000So it says core drilled granite in ancient Egypt.
01:19:34.000And what we're looking at is something that looks like it was a circular drill that was pulling out these cylinders from the granite and how they did that and how long it took.
01:19:46.000See, this is an incomplete drilling, which is really fascinating because you can actually see that it probably took a long ass time for them to do this and you see like a partially done version of it.
01:19:57.000But when you see these circular cuts like that right there, like what the fuck did they use?
01:20:03.000Some argue that the repetition of these drill holes was done at a speed you couldn't possibly do with your own hand.
01:21:06.000These are diamond tip machines that are hydraulic pressure And the Egyptologists claim, it says right here, the Egyptologists claim that ancient Egyptians cut granite using copper saws.
01:21:38.000Not enough in terms of pressure and regularity.
01:21:41.000In order to cut granite today, we try to reach a pressure on the drilling head of 18 to 30 pounds per square inch, which is 226 to 380 pounds of pressure for a 4-inch diameter drill hole.
01:21:56.000How can you apply such pressure by hand while keeping a mobile tool in order for it to actually perform the drilling?
01:22:04.000So they're trying to figure out what the fuck these people use, but they use something.
01:22:08.000Because if you look at that, so that's a good example.
01:22:13.000William Matthew Flinders Petrie, during the late 19th century research, and he wrote that the level reached is astonishing in terms of the drilled holes.
01:22:24.000So you can see the grooves, and the grooves help determine the power of the machines.
01:22:28.000Here is what you were just talking about.
01:22:30.000The space between the two grooves indicates how further the machine goes after each drilling revolution.
01:22:37.000The space between grooves and Abusir are between 1 1 25th of an inch and 1 10th of an inch.
01:23:46.000We're looking at these images, folks, of these holes that they cut into the granite, and you see these perfect grooves where whatever they were using, whatever kind of drill they were using, had left behind.
01:24:01.000And the fact that these drills were far better than what we had in the 1980s when they wrote this.
01:24:07.000It's worth mentioning that, see, this is another example where there's two different examples.
01:24:11.000Because I have seen examples where there's some that is primitive and you can do it with like a piece of wood and you just spend it over time and you keep grinding away.
01:24:37.000There's gonna be some people listening to this and be like, wow, I'm sure that there's got to be an explanation.
01:24:42.000But Joe, I can show you videos of them demonstrating saw cutting techniques that are said to have been done by the Egyptians or alleged these primitive methods.
01:25:05.000It says, let's do the same calculation.
01:25:06.000By this time, it'll take a 1200 RPM revolution speed 33% faster than in 1983. So what they had in 1983. So, all these calculations, blah, blah, blah.
01:25:23.000We're still, right now, in 1983, they were 14 times less effective than the Egyptians, with grooves separated by 1 25th of an inch.
01:25:33.000It says, but what does 14 times less efficient really mean?
01:25:37.000It means that while our modern diamond tips machinery Completed one revolution and drilled 1 360th of an inch.
01:25:46.000The Egyptian tool had already drilled 1 25th of an inch 14 times more.
01:26:04.000This is the video they're talking about.
01:26:06.000So this is the video of them using modern equipment to drill into it and saying that this stuff that they had in 1983, that the Egyptians had something that was 14 times better.
01:26:16.000And keep in mind, again, diamond tipped.
01:27:11.000Well, it's so unbelievably slow, it's not feasible to be the explanation.
01:27:15.000And let me just say, the only reason why these are the suggested methods, Joe, is because, like, well, the Egyptians were a Bronze Age culture, so they had to use Bronze, and that's the end of the story.
01:27:24.000Yet there's not one single depiction, Joe.
01:27:27.000All right, so that one, where it says, this is how you know ancients.
01:29:40.000I think that they're doing measurements in order to put in hieroglyphs because we know they did.
01:29:45.000There's actual evidence of them doing glyphs over prior work.
01:29:49.000It's on some of the statues and so it quite literally could just be showing them carved stuff into it because I saw examples where you have this wonderful stone and then these crude glyphs It's like Sesame Street.
01:30:01.000One of these things is not like the other.
01:30:02.000Why would the glyphs look like shit in comparison to a wonderful block?
01:30:06.000And that's not to say all the glyphs look like shit.
01:30:07.000Some are spectacular and were done by the Egyptians.
01:30:12.000Let me just clarify to anyone listening.
01:30:14.000Dynastic Egyptians are the so-called ancient Egyptians we were all learned about in school.
01:30:18.000My argument and others' argument is that there was people before them doing work.
01:30:22.000And something worth mentioning, Joe, is that the people in Egypt...
01:30:26.000They believed in what's called Kemet, the people, K-H-E-M-I-T, the people that existed before the Egyptians.
01:30:33.000And, you know, when we hear these stories about the Great Pyramid being a tomb for the pharaoh, it's worth mentioning that even the locals didn't believe that.
01:30:42.000And those theories weren't developed until the latter part of the 1800s, early 1900s, by people, explorers that came in from Germany, France, and England, and they are the ones.
01:30:52.000So just to clarify, The saying that the pyramids were built to be tombs for the pharaohs, that that was their purpose, wasn't even developed until 150 years ago.
01:31:11.000So the tribal elder, Akeem Abdel Awian, that's in it, and he's the one teaching Kemet.
01:31:17.000So he's talking about the people before the Egyptians.
01:31:19.000And so when I went to Egypt, I went and did a tour with one of his sons named Yosef Awian, and they live across the street from the Sphinx.
01:31:56.000They have quite literally been invaded and their entire government has been overthrown and redone so many times that we're even aware of.
01:32:03.000So it was already, I'm going to use the word corrupted, in the 1800s.
01:32:08.000The British were going in and out of there.
01:32:10.000And so it's like all this, I call it the mainstream, the stuff you read about in the textbooks, with most of the documentaries and all this stuff, which is pyramids built to be tombs.
01:32:18.000This was all developed in modern times.
01:32:22.000There's absolutely nothing from the ancient Egyptians in any type of glyph that depicts—well, there's only a couple examples of pyramids, but it's burial sites right next to them.
01:32:31.000It's very primitive, and it's like, that's it.
01:32:33.000There's nothing else showing anything about it.
01:32:35.000There's nothing depicting that pharaohs or this is the place where they were burying kings.
01:32:40.000And it's worth mentioning that when you go through inside these pyramids of Giza, let's say, which are the most impressive, although the Red Pyramid and that pyramid are unbelievably impressive— There's not one single glyph in any of them whatsoever.
01:32:51.000There was never a mummy found in any Egyptian pyramid ever.
01:32:56.000Now, that doesn't mean they weren't stolen and looted.
01:32:59.000But quite literally, the only reason why we are told this stuff is because that was the theory developed by these men that went in there, you know, in the late 1800s and said, I believe these must have been for the pharaohs.
01:33:31.000I was told these were built to be tombs for the pharaohs.
01:33:33.000How much did you learn about Egypt in school?
01:33:35.000Not much, because it's like hardly, like sixth grade, right?
01:33:37.000Yeah, it's not something they teach a lot.
01:33:39.000If you want to really study it, you really have to get, I mean, it's an incredibly complicated subject.
01:33:44.000Right, but alright, so people that go to school for this learn history and learn archaeology, and the ones that are taught about Egyptology, that's what they're taught.
01:33:52.000And not only that, there was a violent reaction to the Robert Shock podcast that I had by some Egyptologists that mocked him and reached out and said they wanted to come on and refute what he was saying.
01:34:04.000It was interesting to watch their reaction to a geologist talking about erosion.
01:34:14.000So one thing I explain to people is that there's something happening and has been happening in the scientific and academic community It's the same thing we see in politics, Joe.
01:34:33.000It's not you were taught because I think when people have been taught things, they're willing to adjust.
01:34:37.000But when they've spent decades as the expert explaining Very carefully how it happened and what we know and celebrating all these people that have done this great work and shown us, you know, how these ancients did these things.
01:34:52.000Then it turns out that they're completely wrong.
01:34:53.000Well, you've been fucking kids over with shitty education for decades.
01:35:19.000All right, so they'd have to get rid of the books, but there's other implications too, which is money.
01:35:23.000Scientists and a lot of these people are making big bucks writing textbooks, handing out degrees, doing documentary opportunities, all kinds of stuff.
01:35:30.000So they've made a complete livelihood on something that is, let's say, partially incorrect.
01:35:35.000I'm not saying they're wrong about everything.
01:35:36.000So the implication is that there's big money around.
01:35:39.000Some of these people have done very well for themselves.
01:35:42.000And so to be wrong, it's like, oh shit.
01:35:44.000People don't like being wrong about anything.
01:36:14.000That's the same reason why these morons broke down those ancient structures in Iraq.
01:36:20.000When you look at the overall abundance of evidence when it comes to Egypt and you factor in these people like Graham Hancock and Buval and all these people that have looked at the history of the structures,
01:36:38.000It seems like there's multiple kingdoms and multiple eras and that they had existed for a substantial amount of time.
01:37:20.000Intermediate period, middle kingdom, intermediate period, and then new kingdom.
01:37:23.000So that's my point that I'm going back to is that how can we possibly say definitively or they talk so definitively about, say, the old kingdom.
01:37:32.000And I'm like, when two other kingdoms came after who could have wiped out that history or simply because it's thousands of years later passed out incorrect information.
01:37:43.000The amount of time between Cleopatra and the iPhone is shorter than the amount of time between Cleopatra and the established construction date of 2500 BC of the Great Pyramids.
01:38:55.000We don't have any idea what they're...
01:38:57.000If you want to go back to as far as Robert Shock and Graham Hancock want to indicate, they seem to point to a time where at least the construction of the Temple of the Sphinx, we're talking 10, 11,
01:39:13.00012,000 years ago, what the fuck was that like?
01:39:15.000And when it was green, because I can show you other sources that say 4,500 years.
01:39:21.000I'm talking about the Sahara being green.
01:39:23.000Jamie, if you wouldn't mind, could you just Google Sahara green?
01:39:33.000Sahara being green, and you'll see these articles.
01:39:35.000So the point is that, okay, so when you say it'd be completely different, well, if the Sphinx is, say, at least double the age, and I'm sure it's older, Well, that's when it was green because let's not forget Egypt is in the Sahara Desert.
01:39:48.000So when I see dates like 5,000 years and they do say some of these estimates that the entire Sahara went from green to desert and possibly within 100 years.
01:39:58.000So and this is around 5,000 years ago that it went over the shift?
01:40:03.000And I'm like, that is so close, Joe, to these dates of the Giza pyramids that makes me think that because of cataclysm and, let's say, real climate change on a level that we don't even can wrap our minds around.
01:40:20.000North Africa, or the Sahara, is much larger than the contiguous, or the 50 states, the United States.
01:40:28.000So it's like, you know, it's such a huge area, and to think that something could have changed so dramatically, and what would have been erased with it, you know?
01:40:36.000If you find, I was just looking for an article just to show viewers, like, I know there's Live Science as a number, and the Smithsonian, and National Geographic, and, oh, I was just, yeah, so this is, there you go.
01:40:47.000Yeah, just trying I was trying to find visuals.
01:40:50.000So the Sahara was green at somewhere around 5,000 years ago, which is roughly around the same time as the proposed construction date of the Great Pyramid, which is 4,500 years ago, right?
01:41:14.000And I'm like, it's not like they have an abundance.
01:41:16.000I mean, don't quote me here, but they don't have an overwhelming substantial amount of evidence that they've repeatedly tested those dates on all this organic matter.
01:42:01.000But I think it's one of those things that gets lost in the mind of how actually how long that is in terms of like if you are alive for a thousand years.
01:42:10.000Like fucking what a dreary amount of time that is.
01:42:14.000And then you think of four thousand five hundred years ago.
01:42:18.000Or whatever it was, when they were actually building that thing, and maybe it's much, much longer.
01:42:23.000I mean, maybe you're right, and maybe the construction, maybe rather the measurement is of a very small piece of material, and maybe they don't have the evidence that could show what it really was.
01:42:38.000I don't know the exact date of this interview, but this is where he talks about the study.
01:42:56.000And it's been done on some material from Giza, for example, the great boat that was found just south of the Great Pyramid, which you think belongs to Khufu, and that was radiocarbon dated coming in in about 2600 BC. See, this is what I mean.
01:43:11.000That doesn't prove jack shit for the age of the Great Pyramid being built.
01:43:15.000So let's keep going, because it says, Nova says, but how...
01:43:18.000Do you carbon date the pyramids themselves and they're made out of stone and inorganic material?
01:43:23.000And Lerner says, we had the idea some years back to radiocarbon date the pyramids directly.
01:43:29.000As you say, you need organic material in order to do carbon-14 dating because all living creatures, every living thing takes in carbon-14 during its lifetime and stops taking in carbon-14 when it dies.
01:43:42.000And then the carbon-14 starts breaking down at a regular rate.
01:43:45.000So in effect, you're counting the carbon-14 in an organic specimen.
01:43:49.000And by virtue of the rate of the disintegration of the carbon-14 atoms and the amount of carbon-14 in a sample, you can show how old it is.
01:43:58.000Because they're made out of stone and mortar.
01:44:00.000Well, in the 1980s, When I was crawling around on the pyramids, as I used to do and I still do, I noticed that contrary to what many guides tell people, even the stones of the Great Pyramid of Khufu are put together with great quantities of mortar.
01:44:18.000A pyramid is basically, most basically, two separate constructions.
01:44:23.000It's an outer shell of very fine polished limestone with great accuracy in its joints, but most of that's missing.
01:44:32.000And the other construction is in the inner core, which is filled in this shell.
01:44:39.000Since most of the outer casing is missing, what you see now is the step-like structure of the core.
01:44:45.000The core was made with a substantial slop factor, as my friend who's a mechanic likes to say about certain automobiles.
01:44:51.000That is, they didn't join the stones very accurately.
01:44:54.000You see the great spaces between the stones, and you can actually see where the men were up there And they didn't, you know, they may have like four or five, even six inches between two stones.
01:45:07.000And they jammed down pebbles and cobbles.
01:45:15.000I noticed that in the interstices between the stones and this mortar was embedded organic material like charcoal, probably from the fire they used to heat the gypsum in order to make the mortar.
01:45:33.000You have to heat raw gypsum or dehydrate it, and then you rehydrate in order to make the mortar, like with modern cement.
01:45:40.000So it occurred to me that we could take the small samples, we could radiocarbon date them, not with conventional radiocarbon dating.
01:45:48.000But recently there's been a development in carbon-14 dating where they use atomic accelerators to count the disintegration rate of the carbon-14 atoms atom by atom.
01:45:59.000So you can date extraordinarily small samples.
01:46:01.000So we set up a program to do that and it involved Us climbing all over the Old Kingdom pyramids, including the ones at Giza, taking as much in the way of organic samples as we could.
01:46:13.000We weren't damaging the pyramids because there's tiny flecks.
01:46:16.000It's a very strange experience to be crawling over a monument as big as Khufu's looking for a bit of charcoal that might be as big as a fingernail on your small finger.
01:46:26.000We noted not only the samples of charcoal, sometimes there was reed.
01:46:30.000And now and then, in some of the pyramids, we found little bits of wood.
01:46:34.000But we saw in many places, even on the giant pyramids of Giza, the first pyramids, and the second pyramid, and the third one, fragments of tools, bits of pottery, that are clearly characteristic of the Old Kingdom, and it occurred to us, you know, That these are not just objects.
01:46:52.000These, the pyramids themselves, were archaeological sites during the time they were being built.
01:46:57.000If it took 20 years to build them, how the fuck did they build that in 20 years?
01:47:01.000And now begin to think that Khufu may have reigned during double the length of the time that we traditionally assigned them.
01:47:08.000People were building the Great Pyramid over three decades.
01:47:11.000It was an occupied site as long as some campsites that hunters and gatherers occupied that archaeologists dig out in the desert.
01:47:19.000Okay, we're getting really long on this.
01:47:21.000What is your impression right now when you're reading this?
01:47:24.000Well, I'm thinking they're basing this on what was in the cracks of these pyramids that they could find.
01:47:31.000It doesn't necessarily mean that that's how it was initially built.
01:47:35.000First of all, the reason why there is these great gaps and that they can see these great gaps in the core is because they stole the structure on the outside of it.
01:47:49.000The limestone, the smooth polished limestone was stolen.
01:47:52.000They raided these motherfuckers throughout history, you know, like these people that destroy the stuff in Iraq.
01:47:59.000The pyramids used to be covered in smooth limestone, but they jacked all that stuff, they stole it, and they used it to build Cairo.
01:48:08.000It's wild that there's buildings throughout Cairo that are made out of the pyramids.
01:48:52.000Great Pyramid lost Egyptian artifact found in an Aberdeen cigar box.
01:48:57.000So a long lost Egyptian artifact has been found in a cigar box in Aberdeen and is hoped it could shed new light on the Great Pyramid.
01:49:05.000So a small fragment of the 5,000 year old wood which is now in several pieces is said to be highly significant.
01:49:13.000So here's something else that's pretty crazy to think about when it comes to dating.
01:49:17.000What I had read, I don't know if it was this article or another one, but they had a margin of error within closer to 800 years for this wood.
01:49:37.000And there's some other explanations I read.
01:49:39.000Like they said, like, well, maybe because wood was more scarce out there that maybe this wood was already 500 years old when it was used for the construction of the pyramid, which I have doubts on that, Joe.
01:49:48.000500-year-old piece of wood being used to construct the pyramid.
01:50:19.000And it's worth mentioning that some of the theories it's believed that maybe there was a large earthquake that originally knocked them all down and then they were looted from there.
01:50:35.000Because when you're talking about restoration of a pyramid, I stumbled across this pyramid in Rome that they restored within the last couple of years that didn't look this clean.
01:51:35.000The Great Pyramid at its height was equivalent to a 47-story building today.
01:51:39.000And I compare that to, so I'm from Phoenix, and the Chase Tower is the tallest building in Arizona, and it's within a couple feet of the same height, like 481 feet original height for the Great Pyramid, almost the same as Chase Tower.
01:51:51.000So when you're in a skyline in different places throughout the world, a 50-story building stands out, and this thing is 755 feet wide at its base.
01:52:03.000I used to have a bit about the construction of the pyramids and it was basically that what happened was the dumb people outfucked the smart people and that's why like the people that were left behind had no idea how it was built and they just said, oh we built this!
01:52:19.000But one of the things that I pointed out, I'm pretty sure my math is wonky, but it's close.
01:52:27.000That the Great Pyramid of Giza has 2,300,000 stones.
01:52:32.000The precision cut, again, some of them like the King's Chamber ones from 500 miles away.
01:52:36.000If you cut in place 10 stones a day, it would take you 664 years to make that pyramid.
01:52:42.000And they think this guy made it in 20 years.
01:54:40.000If you look at the distinct fissures that if they really were, if Robert Chalk is correct and these geologists are correct and that really is the result of thousands and thousands of years of water erosion, like, okay,
01:55:11.000But we were scoffing at 15,000 years ago, just a little while ago, just a few decades ago, until Gobekli Tepe came around, and you have clear, definitive evidence of something that's at least 12,000 years old.
01:55:23.000That was nonsense just a few years ago.
01:55:47.000When you talk about this Younger Dryas impact theory, especially when you talk about it with Randall Carlson, it opens up a whole world of speculation.
01:55:56.000Because Randall Carlson's evidence is spectacular, well-researched, and he has a deep, deep knowledge of both the timeline, And the erosion to the landscape that occurred in spectacular fashion because of massive floods.
01:56:14.000When then you look at these legends like Noah's Ark or the Epic of Gilgamesh, and you hear about these stories of floods and of cataclysms, it's something that is a core part of almost every ancient Civilizations lore when they talk about the history of their culture.
01:56:35.000They talk about these cataclysmic events that reshaped the society and that people emerged from the darkness and restarted the world, you know, like Noah and his children.
01:56:48.000Do you want to hear something that's crazy that goes along with that?
01:56:53.000Alright, so the CIA... This is decades ago.
01:56:58.000In the 50s, discussed something called the Adam and Eve story.
01:57:01.000So anyone can go to CIA.gov, go to Freedom of Information Library, and you can look up what's called the Adam and Eve story written by a doctor named Chan Thomas back in the 50s.
01:57:12.000And this details the destruction, repeated destruction of mankind, and it even has the year 11,500 in it.
01:57:46.000What's not declassified is why the CIA was discussing this book in some top-secret meeting, although every meeting in the CIA is technically top-secret.
01:58:57.000The CIA discussed it and that was classified.
01:59:00.000So this book was pretty much little known.
01:59:03.000But if you literally Google or you could bring it – well, it used to come up at the top of Google, but now you've got to go to DuckDuckGo or you can go to CIA.gov.
02:01:26.000So just to clarify, they did not publish it.
02:01:29.000Some doctor named Chan Thomas, who's a mysterious figure in itself because it's hard to find a lot of info, although keep in mind this is back in the 50s, so it's hard to find info.
02:01:37.000He published it, and then for unknown reasons, the Central Intelligence Agency discussed it in a meeting and classified that meeting, although let me just clarify, everything the CIA does is technically classified.
02:01:52.000But then it was kept secret for decades, up until, I want to say it was 2012 or 2013, it was desanitized and released.
02:02:00.000And so the big question for me is, why were they discussing it?
02:02:04.000And the fact that there's certain details in it that are corroborated by scientific evidence that we've gathered in the last couple decades, say, for example, that 11,600-year younger Dryas.
02:02:15.000And essentially, I mean, so to me, I'm like, this is...
02:03:28.000But Joe, what's so interesting about it is that Atlantis was said to have had special properties, like it had...
02:03:34.000You know, springs of water that were warm and cold, and it was said to be special according to the Poseidon who had created it.
02:03:42.000But what's interesting about this, Joe, is not just the fact they studied it, but the fact that the entire context of it is still classified to this day.
02:04:00.000We already discussed how unusual it is.
02:04:03.000Neither one of us had heard about it until recently, and if there's one...
02:04:06.000Comment that stuck out, that had thousands of comments on these videos, like, how have I never heard of this wrist shot structure before?
02:04:12.000And if you were to, Jamie, if you were to bring up my video for May of this year, and there's a certain part of it that shows a screenshot of this part that's redacted, I want you to see this, Joe, because it's the entire context of the scientific study itself is classified today.
02:05:49.000In California, the mountains shake like ferns in a breeze.
02:05:51.000The mighty Pacific rears back and piles up into a mountain of water more than two miles high, then starts its race eastward.
02:06:00.000With the force of a thousand armies, the wind attacks, ripping, shredding everything in its supersonic bombardment.
02:06:06.000The unbelievable mountain of the Pacific seawater follows the wind eastward, burying Los Angeles and San Francisco, As if they were but grains of sand.
02:06:17.000So this is written as a story, and something else worth mentioning is that it says that that happened because of this event.
02:06:22.000The Earth essentially stands still for a moment, which causes the wind and the forces of momentum to continue to go at an unprecedented...
02:06:47.000Well, they probably had some sort of inkling that some of the stories from ancient civilizations about cataclysmic disasters probably had some merit to them.
02:07:26.000Because to me, I'm like, if that thing was more than just a tomb for the pharaohs, it seems to me that the true powers that be that have unlimited resources would study it and have a theory of it in themselves.
02:07:36.000And so I want to see if they've ever looked into it at all.
02:08:36.000Like, if you think about super volcanoes, like, those do happen.
02:08:41.000And if they really did think that that was some sort of a volcano, that the Richard structure was some sort of a volcano that had erupted and cooled and erupted and cooled...
02:08:53.000And if there was some sort of volcanic activity that was still going on under the surface, that would account for the idea that Atlantis was saying there was water that was cool and also water that was hot in the same area, much like you get in Yellowstone, right?
02:09:07.000Like you get these cool lakes, but then you also get like Old Faithful, these geysers of hot water and these, I mean, there's these ponds that people have fallen into and never seen again because they get melted.
02:09:19.000I think it makes it even more compelling.
02:09:21.000Now, some people will say like, well, it's a natural formation, so it can't be because as Plato describes it is that it was created by Poseidon.
02:09:29.000It was created by God or just universe.
02:09:32.000So to me, I'm like, in the fact of its very size that Atlantis was described at, I'm like, it would make far more sense that it was a geological formation because that's what we do today.
02:09:40.000We build on geological formations all the time.
02:09:53.000First of all, it's kind of bizarre because the animals have no fear of people because they've been sort of habitualized.
02:10:06.000So, like, you go by, especially because they've released wolves into Yellowstone years ago, so the elk have decided it's a smart thing to go around where the people are all the time.
02:10:16.000So if you go near, like, this visitor center, there's, like, there's a photo that I took.
02:11:42.000The rest of Yellowstone is absolutely fascinating because there's this weird smell that comes out of all these geological formations because they're basically...
02:11:55.000What you're looking at is a caldera Volcano it's an immense volcano that's happening right now It's underneath the surface as all this volcanic activity and every six to eight hundred thousand years It erupts and when it does it's a continent killer.
02:12:12.000I mean if it does erupt we are fucked This whole country is fucked.
02:12:18.000Everybody on this country is essentially dead.
02:12:21.000If you want to live, you better get to New Zealand and pronto.
02:12:24.000Because everybody living here is a goner.
02:12:27.000It blows, and when it blows, it kills everything.
02:12:31.000And it happens every six to eight hundred thousand years.
02:12:33.000And the last time it happened was six hundred thousand years ago.
02:12:36.000Even if you survive the initial eruption, the ash that's going to cover thousands of miles away, feet deep, your car, everything, it's going to destroy the water.
02:12:53.000Even if you survive the initial eruption, you're still fucked.
02:12:57.000Yeah, and then you live in nuclear winter because the sky's going to be covered in ash and no sunlight will get through, no food will grow.
02:13:06.000Oh, God, I keep forgetting where this happened.
02:13:10.000But somewhere around 70,000 years ago, they believe that civilization got brought down to just a few thousand people by a supervolcano that happened in some island somewhere.
02:13:46.000It's at the tip of my tongue, but I can't recall it.
02:13:49.000But wherever this was, they're really pretty sure, and I think this is based on genetic evidence, that at some point in time, civilization got brought down to like 6,000 or 7,000 people.
02:16:13.000What did they think was interesting about the redacted stuff?
02:16:17.000I'm trying to find, digging through comments of people that have been looking into this from a couple years ago.
02:16:22.000They said this could have just been like a dump and they could have scanned everything in the CIA because they were talking about the handwritten notes on certain pages and like why does this have a handwritten note on it?
02:16:48.000So I was there for 17 nights from November, December of 2020, which was awesome traveling at that period of time during the midst of all the lockdowns and everything else.
02:16:58.000And then I was there for just under a week in September, October this year.
02:17:19.000That Yusuf Awian, so it's called the Kemet School, and his, well, I should say ex-wife, runs it.
02:17:27.000And so it's all based on the teaching of his father, which is, again, Akim Abdel Awian, who was in the Pyramid Code.
02:17:33.000So it's based on the tribal knowledge that was passed down.
02:17:36.000And by the way, it's worth mentioning that he had, Akim, When he was a kid, he had went in a tunnel from Saqqar, Egypt, to Giza, which is eight miles as the bird flies.
02:18:15.000So this is the weird thing about Giza, my friend, is that there's something called the Osiris Shaft, which is located directly under the causeway between the Sphinx and the Second Pyramid.
02:18:25.000And it goes about 100 feet underground.
02:18:27.000It's carved out of the limestone bedrock.
02:18:29.000It's the creepiest place I've ever been in my life.
02:18:41.000Not sure, but someone had told me, not super ancient, something like people in more modern times maybe 100 years ago fell down there or something.
02:19:04.000So that's the first shaft, so it's three different shafts, and you go down, and here's where it gets, this is the crazy part, when you get to the third level, which is completely dark and freaky, There was a side tunnel.
02:19:17.000Zahi Awas himself, there was a documentary.
02:19:19.000It was either 96 or 99. He went down there.
02:19:50.000All right, so here—this ties into, like, the same thing about this eight-mile tunnel connecting from Saqqara to Giza, which is—couldn't tell you where that is today, but we already know that they were doing shit underground.
02:20:03.000When you look at the Osiris shaft, and you can look at Zahi Hawass—by the way, let me just say, I love you, Zahi.
02:20:09.000I would love to work with the Egyptian Antiquities and go do some tours and bring light and bring tourism to Egypt.
02:20:14.000Let me be clear, because this is a sensitive topic.
02:20:17.000I'm not dissing Egypt in their knowledge or the people running the show.
02:20:27.000They excavated the Sphinx, and there was always said to be tunnels under there, and they're there.
02:20:33.000This is my most recent video, and there was no pictures ever released to the public, and some dude snuck down in there and took some photos.
02:20:40.000You can't see much, but what you know is that there are things that have gone underground in Egypt that, for whatever reason, Joe, is just off-limits to the public.
02:20:55.000Okay, only my best guess is anyone else's best guess, but some suggest that the Egyptians is one underground cataclysm and that people were doing things underground in the same way that we saw in Cappadocia of Turkey where there's those… Many underground cities,
02:21:11.000for example, Darren-QU, they go like 15 levels underground.
02:21:16.000No, so they went underground during the cataclysm?
02:21:18.000This is the idea that somewhere around 12,000 years ago, whenever this Younger Dryas impact theory...
02:21:25.000That's what makes the most sense to me.
02:21:27.000Now, if you look at Darren Cuyu and those underground cities, they claim, like modern academics say, oh, they probably built these to defend themselves against invaders.
02:21:55.000So they have houses on the surface, and they look all normal, but then it's much larger as you go underground- They go hundreds of feet, and they were made to hold livestock and everything.
02:22:05.000So there's several of these that they know about, and some of them connect by miles and miles of tunnel, Joe.
02:22:09.000Underground, some of them go hundreds of feet, and they go down to underground rivers, and it's carved out of limestone.
02:22:24.000However, something tells me that this was involved in that maybe the ancients knew about the cataclysm of, you know, and that it was coming.
02:22:34.000And so they prepped because I'm sorry, Joe, I know a little bit about war.
02:22:37.000And you don't if someone's invading you, you don't have time to carve out miles and miles of bedrock tunnel that would take, you know, many years that would take.
02:22:56.000There was a guy—God, I want to say it was in Italy—and he had a house, and in the house, he had dug down through the ground and developed this incredible chapel.
02:23:10.000Built this immense structure and they came to his house and the authorities essentially said, listen, what are you doing?
02:23:25.000And he built this incredible art project that he had essentially had a very modest home.
02:23:31.000And then as you go into this modest home and then you go down through this passageway, he had developed what is essentially this Immense, super intricate art project.
02:25:22.000Yeah, these rich people are probably buying mummies because, I mean, who has the money for that?
02:25:26.000And let me tell you something else that's real interesting because it kind of shows, like, first of all, wasn't just a couple years ago the UFC's total valuation was like $4 billion?
02:25:34.000So if they're saying estimated between two and six billion, let's just go with four.
02:25:44.000And I got to be careful because I'm convinced Big Pharma is running the whole earth at this point.
02:25:49.000So the Purdue family and the Sackler family, you've heard of them?
02:25:52.000They were the ones that did the OxyContin?
02:25:54.000Why don't you look just how much money they've put into Egyptian antiquities and museums around the world, including starting – this is recently, a few months ago.
02:26:02.000And this goes back years, but recently they're starting a program at – I forgot what – it may be Purdue University because that's by John Sackler or Purdue, John Purdue.
02:26:13.000And anyways, so these people have an incredible interest in Egyptian antiquities, and that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I find that quite interesting that some of the richest, powerful people on Earth are really into this stuff.
02:26:27.000They probably got some crazy chamber in their fucking Oxycontin-bought houses where they can show you mummies and shit.
02:27:01.000Yeah, and you could buy the dinosaur, it was a million dollars more than the house, and then a million dollars more, you could get the dinosaur as well.
02:27:10.000I'm not gonna lie, I think that's pretty cool.
02:30:16.000Okay, so over 15 years, and that's, of course, using modern equipment.
02:30:20.000So that's something that's worth mentioning, because when you look at these underground cities that are absolutely massive, Joe, that can support...
02:30:27.000Some of them are 20,000 people, 30,000 people, 50,000 people.
02:30:30.000Scroll up, Jamie, for where it says the 15-year part.
02:30:33.000It says, over the next 15 years, more volunteers flocked around the globe to join the growing community of temple builders, so as many people, working in four-hour shifts and funding their projects with small businesses to serve the local community.
02:30:47.000But since no planning permission had been granted by the government, what is that word?
02:30:54.000Damanhurians had to keep the growing temples under wraps.
02:32:09.000He experienced visions at age 10 of doing this.
02:32:13.000He dedicated his life to building the temples after he experienced visions at age 10. Wow.
02:32:18.000In his visions, the temples were home to a highly evolved community who enjoyed an idyllic existence in which all people work towards a common good.
02:32:34.000You know, to people listening, I just want to point out, like, you know, you have the ability to look into things yourselves and think for yourselves.
02:32:40.000And when you look at these Darren Cuyo caves, and there's, I'm telling you, like 50,000 people, huge, hundreds and hundreds of rooms.
02:32:46.000Spell that out so people are just listening.
02:32:48.000Well, I might have D-A-R-I-N. Caves in Turkey?
02:32:51.000It's in the Cappadocia region of Turkey.
02:32:53.000And just type in Turkey underground cities, and you'll see that there's several known.
02:32:57.000And again, so if this took a whole team a decade and a half to do...
02:33:03.000I want people to go and look at these caves and think for yourself if you believe that it's feasible to consider that these were done to thwart invaders.
02:33:11.000So in short notice, and I'm like, and how big and advanced they actually are, I'm like, the evidence is quite literally in front of us that humans were doing something special a long time ago.
02:33:20.000And the estimate is just that this was done thousands of years ago, right?
02:34:23.000But it had these enormous garage doors where you pull the cars in.
02:34:27.000They had trailers where you pull your trailer in.
02:34:30.000And then inside, they were essentially planning on having a sustainable environment that could keep people alive in case of a nuclear disaster or some sort of bioweapon or some shit.
02:35:44.000So if there was something like that that happened, it's potential or possible that you could have a grid-down scenario in some areas or the whole thing for months on end.
02:36:03.000Like, we're talking—that would be so apocalyptic in itself.
02:36:08.000And if that was to happen, it would be the haves and the have-nots, those who have guns and those that don't, or those that prepped, those that didn't.
02:37:15.000I watched this documentary where they first started observing hypernovas in the cosmos and they thought that it was wars going on with civilizations in space because they were happening so frequently.
02:37:32.000Like they were observed because you know obviously there's hundreds of billions of galaxies.
02:37:35.000And so they were looking out in these hundreds of billions of galaxies and they were detecting these gamma radiation bursts.
02:37:42.000And they were like, oh my god, they're going to war.
02:37:44.000They're going to war out there in space.
02:37:46.000And then they realized, no, these are hypernovas.
02:37:48.000And that these novas essentially just wipe out entire solar systems and more.
02:37:54.000I heard, well, I don't know what the last one was, but it was described as being bright.
02:37:59.000Even during the day, you could see it.
02:38:00.000It was like essentially a flash that was sustained for, I don't know if it was months, something like that.
02:38:04.000And you just see in the sky, I'm like, and they said it even lit up the sky, even when there was like a new moon and it was dark.
02:38:10.000I'm like, that would be so crazy to see that.
02:38:12.000Well, what's really crazy is it happened millions and millions of years ago, and you're just seeing it now.
02:38:18.000Yeah, like every star that you see, when you go on a crazy clear night and you're looking at the Milky Way, you're looking at things from millions of years ago.
02:38:33.000Yeah, I find that just fascinating to think about.
02:38:35.000Yeah, when they're observing the cosmos, like we were talking about the Big Bang earlier, when they're observing 13 plus billion years ago, they're essentially looking into the past at what happened 13 plus billions of years ago.
02:38:49.000When they see these stellar nurseries and they're using these spectacular telescopes to look deep, deep, deep into space, they're looking at the past.
02:38:59.000So that's like an idea for a time machine is that if there was some way to travel vastly far distances, let's say like a wormhole of some kind, and then you stopped and turned around and looked at Earth and say you had the abilities for enhanced magnification of some kind, wouldn't you technically be watching the past then?
02:39:16.000If you could get ahead of it, I'm saying, if you get ahead of the speed of light somehow and then turn around and look and then you'd be seeing Earth from, say, a thousand years ago or something.
02:39:24.000You would have to, yeah, you would have to figure out a way to get instantaneously so far away that the light that comes from Earth, but if you could see that good, wouldn't be the light anymore.
02:39:42.000But if I could go back in time and see any era, I think Egypt during its prime would be the era that I would look into.
02:39:50.000Because if you look at all of what we know about ancient civilization, whatever's left, you know, whatever's intriguing, all the amazing sites that archaeologists have explored, that's the one that's the most what-the-fuck.
02:40:55.000And there's been some other instances, too.
02:40:56.000Like, someone went up there and, like...
02:40:58.000Bra, titless, or whatever, and that really upset them.
02:41:01.000But you can see a picture, I haven't seen the porno, but you see this couple, it's like a snapshot of literally these two naked people on top of the Great Pyramid in the night sky.
02:41:28.000They think that European settlers came and the depictions that the Europeans had of how spectacular the Mayan civilization was back then and how these guys had these gold headdresses and these incredibly sophisticated cities and they brought in smallpox and just killed everybody.
02:41:48.000But what was really amazing about the sophistication of the settlements in Mexico was that they had these immense stone structures.
02:41:59.000By the way, they did it to the Amazonians, too, the people that lived in the Amazon.
02:42:03.000You know, that was another really interesting conversation that I had with Graham Hancock, where he was talking about how through the use of LiDAR, they've detected all these grids.
02:42:13.000You know, that was the basis of that movie, The Lost City of Z, you know, that these European explorers had gone through the Amazon and come back with these amazing stories of these incredibly sophisticated civilizations.
02:42:26.000And then when people returned 50 years later, there was no such civilization.
02:42:30.000There was no evidence whatsoever because the jungle had swallowed up all these buildings.
02:42:36.000And until recently, they thought it was just folklore and bullshit until they started using LIDAR. And this light-emitting radar thing that LIDAR is, I'm not exactly sure how it works, but...
02:43:33.000It's crazy that a country where they're getting along with this disease, I mean, they existed with it, they survived, and they came over on boats and gave it to people that didn't have immunity to it, and it just burned right through the entire population.
02:44:02.000You know, five, six hundred years ago, they were around.
02:44:05.000Like during Cabeza de Vaca, he details in his journeys across North America, he details all of his trips through the, like, all these various Spanish explorers detail the Mayan civilizations.
02:44:21.000Going back to that LIDAR study, so one of the – this is something that I just thought of is that it's so interesting that – so that area that people had already – that they found through the use of LIDAR had already been previously surveyed on foot and one of the – and they didn't see anything,
02:44:38.000including a seven-story tall building that was consumed by trees and lush vegetation.
02:44:43.000And it had, like I said, had already been surveyed on foot.
02:44:46.000So that's how much the Earth consumes things.
02:44:48.000And so now they're using LIDAR from space and they're finding shit, shit, ancient stuff all over the Sahara Desert.
02:44:56.000I'm like, if this place was green 5,000 plus years ago and had the largest freshwater lakes and a huge network of rivers, people of course would have been living there.
02:45:06.000And so now they're finding random stuff all over.
02:45:49.000People need to be including these things in the topic of climate change and man-made climate change and all that because I'm like, you know, if the Earth is going through these cycles that are – I mean, if we're – God, I mean, if we're looking at like something like 50,000 years ago, the Earth's temperature was something like 15 degrees Fahrenheit hotter.
02:46:05.000It's been identified through the core ice samples of Antarctica.
02:46:07.000And it's like, well, if they want to say that, you know, two, three degrees Fahrenheit would be enough to screw over our civilization and – Well, if we're talking 15 plus degrees naturally, I want to know more about that and why it's not being included in the conversation.
02:46:21.000Well, you know, when Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson in particular, when he discusses this, one of the things that he says, says global warming is certainly a threat.
02:46:31.000He goes, but you know what a real threat is?
02:47:12.000We're looking at it in terms of pollution and particulates in the atmosphere, and he was saying that that's the real issue.
02:47:18.000Pollution and particulates, that stuff's terrible, and it causes cancer, and it's making people have much shorter lives.
02:47:24.000If you look at people that live in highly dense urban environments, they generally live less long than people who live in clear air, country.
02:47:35.000It's just by virtue of the shit you're breathing in, the environmental factor.
02:47:40.000But he said global cooling is fucking terrifying.
02:48:58.000And I think about all kinds of things throughout the day.
02:49:02.000Pyramids and ancient stuff was the furthest thing from my mind.
02:49:04.000And the only reason why I did DMT is because I couldn't figure out how to do ayahuasca and figured that was a dangerous thing to do, make myself.
02:50:13.000And I instantly, the first thing I thought of was like, because I could never explain, I didn't understand why I was seeing in my little DMT trip that...
02:50:21.000It was a pyramid in a body and it was going like this.
02:51:05.000But I look at the fact that across multiple continents around the world, there are different ancient civilizations that talk about us living to be hundreds and even thousands of years old.
02:51:24.000Because some people think that – well, you've got to keep in mind that the Nile River was once eight miles closer to the pyramids and went right up to the steps.
02:51:31.000So, for example, when you brought up earlier with that boat that was found literally right next to the Great Pyramid, the water went up to the steps virtually.
02:51:39.000So some people argue that water was moved through the pyramid and had something to do with oxygen.
02:51:44.000These are just wild ideas, by the way.
02:51:46.000But what if it was something for DNA restoration?
02:51:49.000Because if it was possible for people to live to have been thousands of years old, which I have no idea, but if that happened, let's say, could – because it's like if these pyramids were not tombs, then what were they?
02:52:01.000If the water went right up next to them, that – Makes me think maybe it had something to do with generating power.
02:52:06.000And I know that sounds crazy to some people if we're talking about a stack of bricks and stones.
02:52:21.000You got to keep in mind you're seeing it as it is today with these boards, these planks, just so you can walk through it.
02:52:26.000Like you go through this 300 foot long shaft that's like 3x3 and then when you get to the Grand Gallery, so called Grand Gallery, it's the same thing.
02:53:45.000You see the stone, which is spectacular, and there's plaster over it, and it looks, honestly, and I don't mean any disrespect, it just doesn't look good at all compared to the structure itself.
02:53:55.000So somebody probably did that later on.
02:53:59.000So, I mean, it's worth mentioning and I want more people need to explore this.
02:54:03.000Like, there's almost zero evidence to even suggest that it was a pyramid.
02:54:07.000The reason why people think it is today is because we were taught it in school at a young impressionable age and we weren't even explained any of the details.
02:54:15.000Never mind that there was no mummies found.
02:54:19.000But if you bring up and you see the structure itself, it is so bizarre.
02:54:24.000And to me, I think it's just above us.
02:54:26.000So bizarre in the way the tunnels were created and these shafts that go up and down and it doesn't look like something that was designed for people to move through.
02:54:53.000For when I gathered, it was the running water through it, and you were able to separate the hydrogen out of the water or something to that effect.
02:55:32.000It's one of the funnest mysteries, and this is the one thing I've seen, like, because, like, when I was talking earlier at the beginning of this podcast, like, what topics do I want to talk about?
02:55:38.000These are the ones that make me most happy, and I remember thinking, like, it's positive.
02:55:41.000I'm not, you know, debating abortion here.
02:55:44.000I'm debating the pyramids, and it's so funny, Joe, because it's quite a sensitive topic, whether it's Atlantis or the pyramids.
02:55:50.000Even suggesting something alternative comes with so much backlash.
02:55:53.000It's quite interesting, but it's supposed to be fun.
02:55:56.000It's interesting, and I just can't help but think about that DMT experience that was showing me that, because I'm like, when he said It's us, and I don't know what that means.
02:56:03.000I'm like, I think there's something there, because what I saw...
02:56:53.000I just want to tell to anyone out there, get off the couch.
02:56:56.000It's surreal to me that a handful of years ago, Joe, I was on the couch Unhappy in life.
02:57:02.000And in watching Joe Rogan podcast, and now here I am sitting across from you, and all I did was decide, and it wasn't easy, but I made choices and changes in my life, and next thing you know, I find myself traveling to these sites, being on your podcast and other things, and I just want to tell people,
02:57:18.000if there's only one message, is that Because in the short term, people are going to have to get creative to make money in the near future, I suspect.
02:57:25.000People more than ever are unhappy with the direction of their lives, corporate work, and everything else.