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00:00:25.000For me, I've always sort of just been like a nerd about pharmacology and biology, endocrinology, stuff like that.
00:00:32.000And I've always just researched online about random stuff.
00:00:35.000And eventually, I was encouraged by a few people to start posting online.
00:00:40.000And I was, I just started writing out blog articles on a WordPress site, maybe like five and a half years ago or something at this point.
00:00:48.000And Eventually, it got to the point where, I guess YouTube was already big, but it wasn't that what it is now.
00:00:56.000And I was just asking people in the, I don't know, male self-improvement niche that I was friends with, do you think I should be posting videos too instead of just writing these articles?
00:01:05.000And they said, yeah, it's a no-brainer.
00:02:25.000I learned a lot about it, especially before I watched your videos, I thought, oh, USADA. There's no way anybody can cheat with USADA around.
00:02:35.000And then I watched some of your videos, I'm like, oh my god, they're cheating.
00:02:38.000Yeah, it's not like they make it obvious where their shortcomings are and where the loopholes are, because they would obviously prefer people to not know what they're doing current research on to tighten up.
00:02:48.000But yeah, there's definitely leeway still, or else they would not still be in the lab trying to figure out ways to bulletproof it, essentially.
00:02:56.000Well, there's one gym that I know of that at one point in time, I don't know how they do it now, but at one point in time, they had literally full-time scientists that were working with the athletes.
00:03:09.000I think a lot of athletes have maybe not like a full team, but there's usually some sort of chemistry slash pharmacology guy in the back end who they're deferring to, or even just their bro who's experienced enough.
00:03:24.000Yeah, but the bros is how people get caught.
00:03:26.000Your body's like, bro, you just gotta do this, you gotta test clean, trust me, and then you test positive and that guy's fucked.
00:03:33.000Yeah, I think usually there's some sort of, I don't know, deferral to figure out, like even people who, anybody at a top level is trying to figure out what kind of edge they can get, regardless if it's through straight edge supplementation, dietary practice, manipulations,
00:03:48.000lifestyle interventions, etc., and Right.
00:04:38.000It's fucking ridiculous how they even...
00:04:41.000Pretty much everyone underneath him is doing the same thing.
00:04:44.00018th place was the last guy that you could find that did not test positive.
00:04:48.000And even that guy, though, he might have just got it out of his system in time because they're still trying to figure out how to detect EPO use, blood transfusions, autologous.
00:04:58.000You can't detect right now at all except for aberrations in your hematology that can kind of like...
00:05:03.000Infer based on longitudinal data that something's off, and they can assert that you're doping and putting blood back into yourself, but they still can't even tell.
00:05:30.000So if you're hypothetically an athlete who understands how this process works going into it, it's not very hard to go to LabCorp, get my own hematology panel, assess my reticulocyte, hemoglobin, red blood cell count over time, develop my own longitudinal biological passport before I go into a tested sport,
00:05:46.000and see, do I fall within the threshold cutoffs where I would not get caught for my degree of autologous blood transfusions?
00:06:46.000Since they've developed some of these long-term metabolite assays, they've been able to go back and retroactively catch, I think it was like, 150 athletes that otherwise...
00:08:02.000I mean, to lose is so painful and to win is so glorious that they'll just take it.
00:08:07.000Yeah, and in professional sports, obviously, the contracts are so ridiculous.
00:08:11.000Like, there was one NBA player who just popped for draw standalone and testosterone like a week and a half ago or something.
00:08:18.000And when you actually look at it, the guy has only played, I think in totality, like seven minutes on the court or something, but his contract is like almost $8 million.
00:08:25.000So even guys at the highest level of professional sports, it's so lucrative, the amount of money that's on the table, that if you think, even if you're, you know, like a low tier, like you're still a top tier athlete, obviously, if you're in the NBA, for example, but if you're at the bottom of the totem pole and you think you have leeway with,
00:08:41.000you're not going to get tested as much or whatever, you're The choices of drugs he used, too, were like, one of them was absurd and made no sense, but I assume he was just hedging against the chance that he would get randomly tested to, you know, if it helps you get this lucrative contract, even if you're,
00:08:56.000like, just a seven-minute court player, like, it's a big fucking deal.
00:09:01.000Well, it's probably, the guys who get caught doing something stupid, it's probably some dude from the gym, right?
00:09:08.000Somebody from the gym tells them how to do things.
00:09:11.000They're not being sophisticated about it.
00:09:13.000Especially, he's not a top tier athlete.
00:09:15.000He's just kind of a guy who plays occasionally.
00:09:18.000Yeah, I've heard in arm wrestling, it's like a more obscure sport, obviously, but some of them are drug tested.
00:09:23.000The scrutiny is very low, but some of them don't even, they just take whatever they want and go sauce to the tits and just hope they won't get tested.
00:09:36.000So, like, they take whatever the fuck they want and just hedge against the probability that they won't get tested, and then if they get lucky, which a lot of the times they do because it's very low-scrutiny testing, they just go in, like, full board.
00:09:48.000Well, the UFC and mixed martial arts in general is a very interesting sport from that perspective because it started out all juice.
00:09:59.000It started out literally like most of the athletes were on something.
00:10:03.000You'd have to be a real rebel to not be on juice.
00:10:07.000Like the rare BJ Penn type guy who was just a super athlete who just didn't need anything and fought natural.
00:10:14.000But so many of those guys were on juice.
00:13:09.000Well, the smashing machine is like that in that what they were doing was they were studying Mark Coleman, or excuse me, Mark Kerr, when he was at the peak of his popularity in Pride.
00:14:51.000Yeah, he's usually the poster boy for USADA. Yeah, he was the guy that was probably responsible for them getting rid of the TRT program.
00:15:03.000The TRT program is very controversial because the whole idea behind it was some of these guys need testosterone just like anything else, like thyroid medication.
00:15:13.000But the problem is why do they need testosterone?
00:15:15.000Why does a 26-year-old man have low testosterone?
00:15:19.000Well, the reality is a lot of them were on juice.
00:15:21.000And so their natural endocrine system shuts down and then they get tested during that time period.
00:15:28.000They go, oh my god, this poor guy, he needs medicine.
00:15:30.000And so you give them testosterone and Vitor, like whatever the natural level was, Vitor was at hyperhuman levels to the point where they were worried he was going to die.
00:15:40.000Something a lot of people don't consider about TRT2 that goes overlooked when it comes to these TUEs is even if you're within the natural reference range, like he was pushing it to super physiologic levels.
00:15:51.000That's why, you know, he was getting more scrutiny too.
00:15:54.000But even if he kept his levels at like 700 nanograms per deciliter and that's like a normal level...
00:18:00.000And that detects testosterone that's coming from wild yams, right?
00:18:05.000Yeah, it's kind of ironic how testosterone commercial grade is derived from soy, which is like the complete fucking opposite of what- Yams or soy?
00:18:12.000It comes from like yams, stigmasterol, I forgot all the, like it's basically like soy derived ultimately at the end of the day.
00:18:19.000Yeah, it's like Mexican yams and it's like all these, the way they react it down, it comes from, I think the current way to do it is soy, which is just interesting because that's like the last thing you would think makes testosterone.
00:19:07.000When you do a carbon isotope ratio test and you combust it down and you see what kind of carbon content is in it when you're checking the urine, you see it disproportionately...
00:19:17.000The carbon-13 to carbon-12 ratio is disproportionately in favor of plant-derived testosterone to a point where there's no way a human could produce this through endogenous steroidogenesis from cholesterol.
00:19:31.000So if you hypothetically wanted to skirt around this test...
00:19:35.000If you had animal-derived cholesterol and you reacted it down, you could hypothetically get a human-looking derived testosterone that's completely immune to detection through the carbon isotope ratio test.
00:19:47.000Now is that just theoretical or has that been achieved?
00:19:54.000It's not like you would ever be able to get that from a commercial company that's going to provide it to you, but hypothetically, if you got, I don't know, from like a medical supply company, you've got animal-grade testosterone, or I mean cholesterol, and then you had a chemist who you hired because you're, you know,
00:20:41.000But this is not, like, there's no papers on this?
00:20:44.000They're not going to say this is being done and this is how you do it.
00:20:48.000Right, but I was wondering, like, I wonder who, like, is this something the Soviets have done or the Russians have done?
00:20:54.000Is this something the Chinese have done?
00:20:55.000I think athletes in all sports, I don't think it's prevalent.
00:21:00.000Like, especially in the UFC, some of the people who get caught, even at, like, high-level fighters, TJ Dillashaw, he is recombinant EPO, which is highly detectable if you're looking for it.
00:21:09.000So even the highest level of fighters I don't necessarily think have access to the resources to hire these chemists necessarily or even think to do this kind of stuff.
00:21:19.000But ultimately, I do think at a very high level, there are individuals doing this.
00:21:25.000Yeah, I think this individual's doing it too.
00:21:27.000I just wonder if it's been proven that it can be done.
00:21:30.000Nowitzki, Jeff Nowitzki from USADA was the first person to tell me about it, but his take on it was like, we don't really know.
00:21:37.000If you can literally take a fucking yam and turn it to test, I cannot imagine it's impossible to take actual human-identical cholesterol, which is literally what your body uses to make tests, And react at them.
00:21:51.000To me, it makes more sense how you get tested out of that than out of a random plant.
00:22:06.000And, you know, the people that did wrong speak or whatever and they shuffle them off there.
00:22:11.000I would imagine, I mean, the dark rumor was always like that's where you're getting some organ transplants that some people would go over there to get organ transplants.
00:22:20.000You gotta think they're making testosterone that way too.
00:22:22.000Just using people as like a fucking sponge to drain out.
00:23:08.000Personally, I think that if you go back historically to the beginning, like obviously the guy is pretty loose on what he's willing to do in terms of, you know...
00:23:19.000So with him, if you go back to his first positive test results, I believe he tested positive for clomiphene and letrozole way back in like 2016 or something.
00:23:29.000So if you look at those two drugs, one of them is an aromatase inhibitor that you would use to prevent gyno formation usually.
00:23:36.000And then Clomid is like a fertility drug you would use to restore testosterone production, or in women use it to aid in fertility.
00:23:43.000So using those two drugs back then, to me, seemed like something you would be doing to either, you know, prevent the gyno from what you were using at a time when it was less scrutinous, perhaps.
00:23:55.000And then the Clomid, you know, to recover or something was tainted is what his claim was.
00:23:59.000But we already have, you know, history of him doing this or getting popped for something pretty stupid to get popped for way back in, you know, 2015-2016 era, approximately.
00:24:09.000After that, he tests positive for Torinobol.
00:24:23.000And it's ultimately they use this reference point of Clomid pulsing as a...
00:24:29.000Kind of a proxy to exemplify, look, here's a drug that stores itself in fat tissue and pulses over time.
00:24:36.000So they use Clomid as an example, because they can't just give a human a shit ton of Terenabol and try and figure out if this is going to work or not.
00:24:43.000So they give them this fertility drug, or they've looked in the data and found, parsed out this information about Clomid pulsing.
00:24:49.000And they use that as a reference point for like, look, there's a drug that can pulse over time.
00:24:53.000But the interesting thing is, Jon Jones literally popped for Clomid before.
00:24:59.000So he has this pterinibol that keeps pulsing, but the Clomid they use as the reference point of a drug that can pulse never pulsed for him.
00:25:08.000But didn't he say that the Clomid was from tainted food?
00:25:11.000Yeah, but he still got it in his system.
00:25:12.000So it's like, if you ingested Clomid, why is that not pulsing?
00:25:18.000Explain pulsing to people that don't know what we're talking about.
00:25:21.000Like the idea would be that metabolites of these hormones, like first of all with pterinibol, After Icarus came out, and shortly around that, Rod Chankov is the one who came up with the M3 metabolite test and extended the detection window of Torinobol.
00:25:36.000And that's actually, when I mentioned the Summer Olympics and how many people retroactively got their medals stripped or they got popped for the Summer Olympics for...
00:25:46.000A lot of those positive test results were forward-to-rendible after they used Rod Chankov's data to retroactively test the urine samples and see.
00:25:55.000They thought, at the time, it was undetectable because they got it out of their system based on the current detection windows.
00:26:00.000But then when Rod Chankov came out with his data, and when they went back and tested it using his assay, you could figure out, oh, past that date, they actually detected for that, you know, the longer-term metabolites.
00:26:13.000So, the idea behind the pulsing is these metabolites that linger, they can store themselves in fat tissue, essentially, and they can liberate themselves over time sporadically.
00:26:26.000Has that been proven, or is that theoretical?
00:26:29.000Yeah, and it was proven in Clomid data, which is interesting because Jon Jones literally is pot for Clomid.
00:26:55.000It's not a pharmaceutical product that's designed for, like, a clinical application.
00:26:59.000So, you're going to get it designed by an underground lab who sells steroids to, you know, random bodybuilders or a chemist in, you know, China or something.
00:27:07.000And you're kind of just banking on the fact that it's not going to be tainted.
00:27:10.000They're going to use, like, clean equipment.
00:27:12.000It's going to be whatever drug you're hoping to get.
00:27:15.000And there are a lot of different scenarios that might, you know, explain it.
00:27:19.000And there's different theories, like, I could have that could hypothetically.
00:27:22.000Either one could be true, potentially.
00:27:24.000But I think one of the options is a drug he thought he was getting that was potentially undetectable was tainted with serenable.
00:28:14.000Yeah, so normally the levels would be over 10 times what he had in general.
00:28:21.000I'd have to pull it up to remember exactly, but he was like in the single digits for urinary testosterone, which otherwise should be like 60 plus or something.
00:28:32.000And it was multiple data points of his testosterone being single digits to a point that would indicate significant suppression, in my opinion.
00:28:41.000What could be another possible explanation for it, other than significant suppression?
00:29:02.000If that's the case, then how would he perform well?
00:29:06.000Because if he's going into a fight with his testosterone that low...
00:29:10.000Because if you have a drug that's suppressing your system, the drug you're taking, presumably, is what is driving your performance vectors that you deem useful enough to use in competition.
00:29:21.000So hypothetically, if I was using Terenabol...
00:29:24.000Like, all those athletes in Russia or whatever using Terenabol, you're going to have some suppression of your testosterone levels, which, you know, on paper could inhibit performance, but you're using the drug to drive performance.
00:29:35.000So even though your endogenous levels are lower, you're relying on this compound you're using that you deem useful enough to dope with, potentially.
00:29:46.000If they're using a test that's sophisticated enough to detect that he has these very low testosterone levels and he has this pulsing of terinobol, like where is the room for this compound that's going to significantly increase his performance?
00:30:02.000Yeah, so let's just say, hypothetically, Terenabol or any random oral steroid is not, like, presumably, this isn't 100% factual, this is just speculating based on the levels and whatnot, but if he has a certain, even if he has crushed tests...
00:30:19.000The room, if they're not looking for a certain drug that's not on their list, and you're using it, full board, whatever dose you want, because they can't detect it because they don't even know it exists, then that's going to be significantly performance enhancing.
00:30:32.000Okay, so then we're talking about something like the Balco Clear, that kind of a deal?
00:30:38.000So, see, the thing is, like, when they catch someone with something like what Victor Conte had come clean with that they use for Barry Bonds and all these different athletes, undetectable, you rub it on your skin, and no one knew what it was.
00:30:52.000We think, oh, well, they caught that guy.
00:30:56.000Do you think it's possible there could be some new designer steroids or some new compound that's not on the list of things to be tested for because we don't even know it exists, but yet it is significantly enhancing performance?
00:31:12.000If you don't have an assay developed for it, detecting it is...
00:31:17.000You can't prove anything exists in the body if you don't have an assay to detect it.
00:31:21.000So even though you have this elaborate list of steroids that are known about, if you have a novel drug and you don't know how to detect it, even if you have other markers that look fucked up, like it's testosterone levels in the gutter, there's no threshold amount where you pop because your test is in the gutter.
00:32:02.000Probably be able to determine this compound derived from testosterone was manipulated and, you know, see something iffy and, you know, dig into it and get a perhaps find out pretty clear pretty soon what it is and retroactively, you know, penalize that guy.
00:32:18.000But I do think there are novel agents being developed from the growth hormone side of things, EPO side of things, the testosterone, obviously, there's the carbon isotope ratio proof cholesterol derived testosterone, which you could also potentially argue the guy was Using basic TRT and came off and crashed his system at the time of the test or something.
00:32:37.000There's a million different reasons, but ultimately seeing that level in his urine, testing for a random compound, having in the past tested positive for a fertility drug and an aromatase inhibitor you would only use in the context of drug use essentially, intentionally in most cases.
00:32:56.000I don't think that he's at least tried to do some shit to get around the system.
00:33:00.000So, explain how someone would create something that would mimic the effects of hyperhuman levels of testosterone, but be a novel steroid, like a new compound.
00:33:14.000Well, I think the main loopholes in testing at this point are through bioidentical compounds, so things that your body naturally produces.
00:33:21.000So if you're trying to mimic the benefits of a high dose of testosterone, I think the main go-to, to be honest, is literal testosterone.
00:33:30.000So I wouldn't even, I don't think people are often deferring to these, you know, oral agents that would shut you down and trying to design like a THG, the clear kind of thing.
00:33:40.000I think they're using literal micro doses of actual testosterone, actual EPO, actual GH, things of that nature.
00:33:48.000They're just micro dosing it throughout the day.
00:33:50.000And the idea is that it diminishes quickly so that if you get tested, it's not going to show up.
00:33:55.000Yeah, like I have studies that I could pull out.
00:33:58.000Yeah, so for right now, the detection of these things, if they're identical to what you naturally produce, it's kind of difficult to prove one way or the other.
00:34:10.000Like at least with a synthetic drug, if you develop a test for it, you can prove retroactively you use something that should never be in your body.
00:34:17.000But with testosterone, EPO, GH, etc., it's a lot more finicky because it's supposed to be there.
00:34:22.000So, I think that, again, even with randomized testing 24 hours, you have to give a one-hour whereabouts of where you're going to be every single day.
00:34:33.000Hypothetically, after that one-hour window, if you microdose, test, GH, EPO, all these bioidentical compounds, the likelihood that you're going to get detected is like...
00:34:43.000It depends on the individual, and you would do this preliminary data going into your longitudinal testing beforehand, ideally.
00:34:49.000I'm not saying how to do it or anything, I'm just, you know, hypothetically saying.
00:34:53.000And you would kind of know beforehand what it looks like when you take this microdose of a compound and what it does to your, you know, detection parameters.
00:35:00.000So you'd have someone who measures what it's like for you if you take it and you wait four hours, five hours, what have you.
00:35:08.000Yeah, so like hypothetically, like there are studies that literally show people microdosing EPO and GH and getting away with it and almost nobody getting caught.
00:35:17.000And then there are certain genetic polymorphisms that cause it to be nearly impossible to tell if somebody's using even megadoses of testosterone.
00:36:16.000So, what do they do if they find out that that person has that gene?
00:36:21.000That's why you have the biological passport, because you could assess over time what does your testosterone look like, and then they develop their own little, like, a much narrower and smaller threshold for red-flagging you.
00:37:19.000So, a lot of my research has been developed around, like, my research has been developed around trying to not die and live a long, healthy life while using things like testosterone, having a higher body weight than otherwise, you know, maybe optimal for longevity.
00:37:47.000We were talking before the podcast about athletes and actors and people who are carrying massive amounts of weight and what kind of a toll that takes on your body if you're a 300 pound, 8% body fat guy who's 50. Yeah.
00:38:07.000No, yeah, there's a lot of guys that just don't talk about it.
00:38:12.000I think it's weird that they don't talk about it.
00:38:15.000Yeah, especially if you're, I don't know, I guess at the end of the day, even if you claim it's, oh, I'm just on medical prescribed testosterone, People ultimately know that it's not TRT limit levels, you know, if you're walking around at fucking the rock sides,
00:39:48.000There's a lot of other shit involved as well.
00:39:52.000I think a lot of the time, people don't want people to downplay their hard work, so they don't want to admit it.
00:40:00.000Even bodybuilders who couldn't argue out of taking stuff because it's so obvious, they often will do this thing where they say the doses they use are lower because then it doesn't take away from the fact that they still train hard, they eat perfect, they're so meticulous about their sleep,
00:40:22.000Especially when it comes to testosterone replacement therapy, because for me, I'm a person where if I find something that's beneficial, I want to tell everybody.
00:40:31.000If I find something that works great for me, I just tell everybody.
00:40:48.000Especially if you're a self-admitted moron.
00:40:51.000It's like a nice parachute that you can pull.
00:40:54.000Oh yeah, it gives you a nice little chop out.
00:40:56.000So when I talk about it, first of all I talk about it because everything that I find beneficial I feel like I have an obligation to tell people.
00:41:05.000And the thing about the testosterone thing, it's like, I think it comes back from the Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, those guys getting caught doing steroids and everybody was so disappointed.
00:41:17.000In baseball in particular, that was such a big deal.
00:41:21.000If you got caught using steroids or in the Olympics or anything else, like, my God, you're a cheater.
00:41:35.000Well, you're not competing in the Olympics, okay?
00:41:39.000It's not like there's some sort of a sanctioned competition where you have an unfair advantage over other people because you're taking testosterone replacement therapy and the normal 50-year-old guy is not.
00:42:32.000You weren't swinging kettlebells and hitting the bag and doing rounds and doing jujitsu and swimming and fucking working out like a crazy person.
00:42:55.000But I think some of it is natural because of science, the understanding of nutrition and supplementation, hyperbaric chambers, all the things that are legal that people do implement.
00:43:05.000There's a lot of legal things that you can do that can change your hormone profile.
00:43:12.000There's a lot of different things that people do that do have a measurable effect on your ability to recover, your endocrine system to function correctly.
00:43:25.000People know how valuable sleep is now.
00:43:28.000It's literally like a performance-enhancing drug.
00:43:31.000People that sleep four hours a day versus people that sleep eight hours a day, the markers are fucking astonishing.
00:43:37.000Yeah, and back in the day, too, especially from the entrepreneurial side of things, people would always advocate this whole, like, sleep when you're dead, you know?
00:43:44.000If you go to bed and sleep for six hours, you get an extra two hours of work that you wouldn't have otherwise.
00:44:25.000But if I get a good eight-hour sleep and I come in, if I needed to do something where I had to be at my fucking very best, like some super complicated podcast with a shady character, and I had to have all my resources and all my research at my fingertips so I could just pull it out at any moment,
00:44:47.000I would make sure that I got a lot of sleep and didn't work out that day.
00:46:13.000The company I have, it's called Gorilla Mind, and the product is basically based around probably a lot of the same stuff, but cholinergics mainly.
00:46:22.000Yeah, so having alpha-GPC, I find the most bioavailable form of choline that actually crosses the blood-brain barrier, and then acetylcholinesterase inhibitors that inhibit the breakdown of acetylcholine, so you could use, like, hupergine A is a good one.
00:48:29.000And the CPAP is a game changer for me because otherwise, you know, I was getting, I don't know, like...
00:48:35.000I forgot how many episodes of apneas I was having per hour, but it was exorbitant to the point that I probably would be dead by now if I didn't get a CPAP otherwise.
00:48:42.000So when you got this machine, did you struggle to sleep with it on your face for a while?
00:48:47.000Well, when you first start, yeah, because you're not used to something blowing air into your airway and strapped to your head, so I'd often wake up and just be fucking chucked across the room or whatever.
00:48:56.000But some people, they don't get used to it.
00:49:21.000And that's the thing, too, is, like, it's kind of presumptuous, because if a chick...
00:49:25.000You can't really get around implying you think you're going to be staying at her place with a new chick if you have a fucking machine in your car.
00:50:04.000Even like a healthy guy otherwise, and you're lean, even if you're fucking shredded, if you're a big guy, highly recommend a sleep study to anyone, because it's something that, even sometimes significant others, they may just think you're a horrible snorer, and they just go in another room maybe to get away from you,
00:50:20.000and they just think that's how you sleep, and you're just annoying and loud.
00:50:23.000But you might literally be dying in your sleep, gasping for air.
00:50:35.000I remember I was on a plane once and there was a guy behind me, it was a long flight, I think it was an international flight, there was a guy behind me, he was a big guy, very overweight, and he was holding his breath, choking for like 15-20 seconds at a time.
00:50:52.000So he's like laying back like, And then he gets up.
00:52:09.000You could use the full face mask, which is pretty much impossible to knock off, but that makes a bunch of lines on your face and it encourages mouth breathing, which otherwise is...
00:52:18.000There's research that's come out that implies that's bad for performance and just longevity and whatnot.
00:52:23.000Yeah, mouth breathing is supposed to be bad for you.
00:52:25.000Does your sleep apnea change if you breathe out of your nose?
00:52:31.000Like if I use a nose mask versus a face one?
00:52:35.000No, the quality is the same because it's manually putting the amount of pressure I need to oxygenate me, but it encourages that subconscious mouth breathing that otherwise carries into your day.
00:52:53.000It's just like a big long tube that connects to the machine that's on the ground and then it has this just like a strap that goes on your head up here.
00:53:01.000It's a pretty thin strap here and here.
00:53:03.000It has these little nasal pillows that you just like put into your nose and it's maybe like this big.
00:53:58.000Yeah, so it's quite the fucking setup.
00:54:01.000And it does look ridiculous, so I can see why some guys don't want to do it, especially around women, but ultimately, they'll understand if they like you enough.
00:54:10.000It changes your life, though, ultimately.
00:54:43.000Yeah, so that, apparently, if it's too dramatic, it gets to a point where you can't even feel the inside of your nose or something, and it feels like it's empty because all the stuff in there is just gone.
00:54:55.000I can't imagine what it's like because it's never happened to me, but people say it's...
00:55:00.000The worst thing ever and it makes them suicidal from how it feels.
00:55:05.000There's some like real weird YouTube videos about guys talking about how they got their deviated septum fixed and the turbinate reduction and their lives have been ruined.
00:56:26.000Sometimes I wonder when it comes to nature versus nurture of being a parent, like how much it's just you're predetermined to be your brain chemistry a certain way versus how you're raised.
00:56:37.000Like how do I avoid having my kid do this, you know?
00:58:40.000So I guess he wants to not just remove those last two fingers, but remove all the bones that connect to the wrist from the actual palm of the hand.
00:59:06.000Out of all the weird shit this guy's got out of the bras, it freaks you out.
00:59:10.000Yeah, that body dysmorphia is a very strange anomaly.
00:59:15.000Like, I was in Hawaii last week, and there was this one lady that came out of the water, and we were looking at her like, oh my god, this poor lady.
00:59:26.000Like, what does she think she looks like?
00:59:40.000Because, like, she probably thinks she looks good.
00:59:42.000Or maybe she even thinks she looks fat.
00:59:45.000Yeah, there's this girl on YouTube, her name's like Eugenia Cooney.
00:59:48.000I don't know if you've ever seen her before, but she's probably the biggest YouTuber who's anorexic, I guess.
00:59:54.000And just her entire comment section is inundated with people saying, like, this is bad, gain weight, you look, you know, this is scary.
01:00:02.000And she just gets, from the start of her YouTube channel to current, she's gotten progressively more skinny to the point that she's like a bone rack.
01:00:10.000And she still posts videos regularly, and she has millions of subscribers, and her entire comment section is just telling her how bad this is.
01:00:58.000Yeah, and what's wild is if you go on her YouTube and you sort by oldest to newest, you can actually see she was still obviously underweight in the first video, but it gets...
01:02:01.000It's very similar to what bodybuilders have or what women have when they get like triple J tits.
01:02:08.000You know, when they go off the deep end and they just keep getting bigger and bigger implants and then they crush beer cans with them.
01:02:14.000Yeah, with bodybuilders it's wild too because it's almost like the opposite extreme where you actually are aware you're killing yourself very quickly while you're doing it.
01:02:24.000Yeah, like you still want to walk around at like 260 plus, even though you know how stressful it is on all your organ systems, your heart.
01:02:36.000Some guys like Dorian Yates, they get out of bodybuilding and then they become healthy.
01:02:42.000I commend guys like that so much who had...
01:02:46.000Because it's one thing to realize something is unhealthy and fix it, but when your entire...
01:02:52.000Persona is built around this physique and you're like superhuman, to watch it literally disintegrate and be mentally okay with it, that takes a very strong willpower in my opinion.
01:03:03.000Well, it's a shift of perception and consciousness, right?
01:03:06.000Because you can no longer think of yourself as this gorilla.
01:03:09.000You have to think of yourself as a normal human.
01:03:45.000And you can't get away from the comments of people saying you're smaller, too.
01:03:48.000Like, even for me in my comment section, if it's, you know, the difference between me at peak versus now, it's, oh, Derek, you stopped caring about muscle.
01:04:58.000The nerves are all impinged, and it's all fucked.
01:05:02.000That's the brutal thing too when you get to that size is progressive overload, you get to a point where you're forced to use weights that are so exorbitant to overload because you're way too strong that it's impossible to not literally fucking dismantle your entire infrastructure while you're supporting those loads because you're squatting hundreds and hundreds of pounds,
01:05:22.000benching hundreds and hundreds, doing this and this, and your bones can't just adapt and be totally fine.
01:05:58.000Because he's not really a professional bodybuilder, right?
01:06:15.000Loved the lifestyle so much that, and his brand was built around it, again, the problem of being one of these guys, like The Rock, where your entire persona is built around your presence, and you just end up retaining it into an age where you can no longer support the drug use,
01:06:32.000Yeah, like what else do you do when you're a 300 pound tattooed up bodybuilder guy and everybody's like, dude, you're a freak, you're a freak.
01:06:43.000Like everything was, he was a freak, you know?
01:08:31.000Or maybe just type in, what is PMMA? But that, Jamie, if you just back up to where you just were, it said Rich Piana's girlfriend shows pictures before PMMA oil.
01:09:12.000Sinfall is one thing where you do inject just sterile oil in such a bolus amount that it eventually stretches the fascia of the muscle, and you can, you know, manipulate the shape of body parts, and a lot of pro bodybuilders do it, but PMMA is literally like a filler,
01:11:07.000I could imagine, because some of them just want a fat ass, and to get that amount of size, you might otherwise need to make the rest of your body a size you don't want it to be to get to that point.
01:11:17.000So I understand why they might want the injections, but...
01:11:20.000Right, you have to get your shoulders bigger, your back bigger.
01:11:23.000Yeah, and most chicks don't want that.
01:12:28.000No, the lips one is, I agree, makes, I don't, it's weird because a lot of the time when you hear girls say what they would love to have done, you can transparently tell them no guy wants to see that or cares, but they still want it.
01:12:42.000Yeah, they want it because it's a thing in their head.
01:12:45.000Like, they're looking at their own lips and they go, if I just had...
01:13:25.000If a girl has big lips, usually she has thick skin and thick features and it looks great.
01:13:33.000But if it doesn't fit your face and you got big crazy lips and a little skinny nose, you look like an alien.
01:13:39.000Yeah, I could see if some chick had like a brutally deviated septum where their nose is like off-center or like their lips are so thin that it looks weird where it's not balanced, but the ones with normal features that then go to the hyper-extreme, I could never wrap my head around that shit.
01:13:57.000Yeah, granted, we would still probably say breast implants are fine, even though that's like, not to some severe degree, but just like better than what their natural is.
01:14:08.000And for some reason, our heads can wrap around that looking good, but then other stuff looks not good.
01:14:13.000Yeah, the breast implant's a weird one.
01:14:15.000It's the one where we send out confusing signals.
01:14:18.000And we can somehow perceive that a silicone fucking circle sticking out of your chest.
01:18:05.000It's like, that's a ballsy move to put that out to the whole world where you can see you without your teeth, like scroll down, see her without her teeth, and then see her dolled up with the teeth.
01:21:24.000It's more common for some reason in MMA than it is even in Muay Thai, which I'm not sure why.
01:21:30.000And, you know, if you ask a top-level trainer, like Kirian Fitzgibbons or something like that, they'll tell you they're just checking wrong.
01:21:36.000These guys, they're throwing wrong and checking wrong, and the MMA guys, they'll throw full blast, and all a guy has to do is just check one kick.
01:21:55.000Especially the lower part of the shin.
01:21:58.000If you catch a guy's knee, if someone throws a kick and you catch it up here and they hit you with this part, boy, they're going to lose every time.
01:22:37.000The shin itself becomes hardened and calloused.
01:22:40.000You actually get microfractures all over the shin because, you know, you're constantly whacking it and inspiring.
01:22:47.000Even if you're wearing shin pads, like there's some guys that will practice, like Kevin Ross made a bag for me that's in my LA studio that I've got to bring over to here that's a sandbag.
01:22:57.000It's made out of all sand, and I would kick it.
01:23:50.000But your forearms, like if someone kicks your forearms, that's one thing about MMA that people don't take into consideration.
01:23:55.000When you see guys block a kick, that fucking hurts so much.
01:24:01.000When someone's kicking you and you block it like this and you take it on the forearm, that shin just slamming into your arms, a lot of times guys are losing like 50% of the strength in their arms.
01:24:13.000But it looks normal because they're still moving around and they're still throwing punches, but everything is numb.
01:25:13.000Yeah, I have a bag set up in my house and I have a gym where I have weight lifting equipment on one side and the other side is matted up for jujitsu and heavy bags and yeah.
01:25:24.000What's your weekly exercise routine like?
01:27:23.000I'll do like a set of those, get warmed up, and then mostly I'll stretch and then work on kicks.
01:27:31.000So I'll start off with like kicks in the air.
01:27:33.000I get my stretching in, Make everything nice and loose.
01:27:36.000And then once I feel like everything's loose, then I'll do rounds where I'll just like shadow boxing and throwing kicks in the air.
01:27:43.000And then once I get loose enough to the fact that I feel like I can, like everything's completely stretched out, all my tissues warm, then I will do like repetitions, like a hundred kicks with this leg, a hundred kicks with that leg.
01:27:58.000And then I'll work on my form and stretching.
01:28:01.000Then once I've done that, then I set the timer and do rounds in the bag.
01:28:05.000So the difference between kicking in the air and kicking in the bag is when you're kicking in the air, you get this full range of motion techniques.
01:28:13.000Like as you're throwing round kicks, you completely follow through.
01:28:17.000You're also controlling your leg through the entire kick.
01:28:21.000So it's like there's something to that as well as hitting things.
01:28:25.000Like you got to do both, I think, in order to have like good kicks.
01:28:29.000And so I'll do that and I do, you know, boxing rounds in the bag, kickboxing rounds in the bag.
01:28:33.000And then other days I'll just do, like I have kettlebell routines that I do.
01:28:38.000Other days I'll do just hard cardio, different shit, depending on what I feel like doing.
01:28:44.000No like traditional weightlifting stuff?
01:28:55.000Like 70 pound kettlebells is generally the heaviest shit I use.
01:29:01.000Yeah, that's probably good at this point for longevity, I would imagine.
01:29:04.000There's definitely a huge disparity between the guys like Coleman, who trained mental, full board, low reps too with high weight, and then the guys like Jay Cutler, who went higher rep, higher volume to achieve the same level of breakdown of the muscle, but took them...
01:29:20.000It's like more sets in the gym and more time intensive, but now they can still train perfectly in their 40s.
01:29:51.000And these dorks, like Bert Kreischer and Tom Segura and Ari, they all got under the bench and they tried to put up 225. They were all benching 225. And I don't bench.
01:30:32.000Just super jacked, like perfect physique.
01:30:35.000But he also, like in the things, like occasionally, he'll do stuff with traditional weightlifting stuff.
01:30:40.000And he said, it's interesting that like when he goes, I'm paraphrasing, but when he goes and does traditional weightlifting stuff, he hasn't lost any of his strength.
01:33:29.000And that having these highly polarizing editorial personalities like Stelter and Don Lemon and, you know, Michael Malice is fucking hilarious.
01:33:41.000He put up, he goes, now that Chris Cuomo's gone, who's the alpha male over at CNN? And he put up a poll and everybody said Anderson Cooper.
01:34:50.000Yeah, and I guess if you're trying to even take a balanced approach to things, like, are you even going to be censored to the point where you can't even be a news outlet to begin with?
01:37:01.000Yeah, but like thought like I'll play it off and people think and I bought it Hmm, but then you see like a real bodybuilder using a hundred pound dumbbell.
01:37:10.000Oh, yeah, that's different Yeah, no, I think most some layman would see the you know Cuomo video and be like damn this guy's a fucking house like look at him toss this hundred pound double around There are some people that are stupid strong and they don't even look that big and Yeah, yeah, definitely.
01:37:47.000Back then I was probably 190 and maybe he was 200, 205 at the most.
01:37:53.000So maybe he's 15 pounds heavier than me.
01:37:54.000And we used to do these drills, this knee-on-belly drill.
01:37:57.000The knee-on-belly drill is you're on your back, the guy has his knee across your belly, and generally like hands on one shoulder and maybe an overhook on one of your arms.
01:38:08.000And the idea is he's trying to hold you in place and you're trying to explode out of there, you know, put pressure on the knee, hip escape, get out of the position.
01:38:15.000When he was on top of me, I wasn't going anywhere.
01:38:46.000Like we'd roll with them and they were strong, but it wasn't freakish.
01:38:51.000And then wrestler strength is like a different kind of strength.
01:38:54.000They're so used to manipulating bodies and they're so used to just being able to push things.
01:38:59.000They're always just pushing and pulling and pushing and pulling and they just have this fucking preposterous tendon strength.
01:39:06.000Yeah, it's weird how transferable or not some exercises are for, like some people are just disproportionately strong at one lift for some reason.
01:39:17.000Where they can deadlift a fucking ridiculous amount, but then bench, they suck at, and then transferring to actual athletics, it might not even make a difference at all, and they get tossed around by some dude who can't even bench a fucking plate or something.
01:43:21.000His rise as a kickboxer coincides with Glover Teixeira's rejuvenation as an MMA fighter because they train together.
01:43:30.000It's really interesting because Glover just won the light heavyweight title and he's 42, which I think is like the second oldest guy to ever win a title.
01:43:39.000And also in a very competitive weight class against this guy Jan Blachowicz, who's a fucking murderer, right?
01:43:46.000And Glover just dominated him, took him down, beat him up, strangled him, dropped him, hurt him bad standing, then got him to the ground, strangled him.
01:43:54.000But Glover has been training with Alex Pereira.
01:43:58.000And so they've been enhancing each other's skill set.
01:44:01.000Glover's a fantastic grappler, great wrestler, black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and also a very good striker.
01:44:08.000But Alex Pereira is literally the scariest striker on earth.
01:44:12.000So the two of them together, it's really greatly enhanced Glover's abilities and also greatly enhanced Alex.
01:44:19.000So the two of them together, now competing in the UFC, it's a big deal.
01:44:23.000And then Alex is the same size as him too.
01:44:25.000Because even though he fights at 185, he also held the Glory 205-pound title and was knocking people out at light heavyweight as well.
01:44:33.000He was the only two-division champion over there.
01:44:35.000Has Adesanya posted about that guy coming into the league?
01:44:39.000Yeah, I mean, he knows it's a big fight for him, and I'm sure he wants to get that W back or get that L back.
01:44:55.000Whitaker's looked fucking amazing ever since Stylebender knocked him out, you know, and maybe with a different approach it could be a different fight, but Adesanya is just so smart, man.
01:47:30.000Do you cut it off at a certain time so you don't have to pee in the middle of the night?
01:47:33.000Yeah, usually maybe like, I don't know, like half an hour beforehand and I make sure while I'm getting ready for bed, I piss before I start brushing my teeth and then I piss again after I'm done, right before, just to make sure I get the last little bit out.
01:47:45.000Do you wake up in the middle of the night or do you sleep in the night?
01:48:05.000This is a product that we sell usually for hyperhydrating a muscle for endurance work or for getting just like a impractically ridiculous pump in the gym as a bodybuilder.
01:48:15.000But you could hypothetically retain more water before you go to bed so you don't piss.
01:48:41.000Yeah, so like hyperhydrates your cells to allow you to not excrete as much.
01:48:46.000The thing is like I know what I'm doing.
01:48:48.000I know if I have a drink right now, if I drink a glass of water and it's 10 o'clock at night, I know.
01:48:54.000I know at 3 in the morning I'm going to have to piss, but I still fucking do it.
01:48:59.000There's that feeling you get, it's funny because it's the most dramatic, before you go to bed, you're like, huh, I'm super parched now and it just feels so dry, like I wouldn't even be able to sleep knowing that my throat is this parched.
01:49:09.000I know, and I want water, but then I know I'll have to pee.
01:49:48.000Yeah, I just make sure I piss with higher frequency before bed.
01:49:52.000I can hold my piss like a motherfucker during a podcast, but at 4 o'clock in the morning, it's almost always like, God damn it, I wake up from a nightmare or something like that, and I'm like, fuck, I gotta pee.
01:50:52.000In Canada, I don't know why the diet pop options are so limited.
01:50:56.000Like, our grocery stores are like a fraction of what you have available here when it comes to diet substitutes.
01:51:02.000But we have Zevia, and it's like the only diet cream soda thing I have access to, and it's like one of my go-tos.
01:51:10.000Does that mean Canada have smarter laws?
01:51:14.000No, they just have all the full sugar shit and not as many of the alternative diet substitute versions that are zero calorie or stuff like that.
01:51:23.000Is the thought that the diet stuff's bad for you?
01:51:27.000I think we just don't have as much stuff.
01:51:31.000What is it like over there right now with the COVID mandates and the vaccine mandates?
01:51:38.000Oh, where I am on the West Coast, it's basically everywhere you go into, you have to wear a mask.
01:51:46.000You have to show proof of vaccination to get into pretty much everything except grocery stores.
01:51:58.000Gyms, you do need to show it, which is problematic, obviously, because it's kind of like paradoxical to, oh, you want to be healthy, but we're not going to let you be healthy unless you get this thing, you know what I mean?
01:52:10.000But pretty much everywhere you need it, other than grocery stores and a couple random things that are less relevant.
01:52:51.000It's because I have a show there on 420 that's been rescheduled for two years in a row because of the pandemic.
01:52:58.000It was supposed to be April 20th of 2020 and then it was April 20th of 2021. So you chose 420 there for a particular reason, I would imagine.
01:53:38.000It's literally like a third world country about to implode.
01:53:41.000I used to go there years ago, and it was gorgeous.
01:53:44.000You'd see a few homeless people every now and then, but it was all tech money and everything.
01:53:48.000Now, every time you turn on the news, after they fucking took over that six block, the Antifa people took over that six block area in downtown Seattle, and the mayor called it the Summer of Love, and everybody was like, what is this bitch saying?
01:54:51.000Like chaos post-COVID. There's been some protests and stuff downtown, but I think it's...
01:54:57.000I don't know, there's very strict gun laws in Canada, so I think it's...
01:55:01.000I don't really know how much less or more problematic that is because of that, but there's not that much violence in Vancouver, but there is protests against the vaccine and stuff like that, and...
01:56:15.000San Francisco is crazy overpriced and filled with like homeless people shooting up in the streets and taking shits in front of parked cars.
01:56:58.000It's kind of unfortunate too because it's not like I have a lot of flexibility if I ever want to move because like where else do I go in Canada and then getting citizenship in the States is quite difficult to do.
01:57:07.000What is it like if you're a Canadian and you want to come over here?
01:57:51.000Like, if you want to sneak over from Haiti, like all those people coming from Haiti, and then, like, you know, you see this lady comes over from Haiti and immediately gets married to some American guy, like, hey, how'd you meet?
01:58:01.000Yeah, I guess it's kind of like an ethical, weird thing where you're like an official government guy and you have to criticize a relationship's validity.
02:02:41.000I might have known you were Canadian and then started seeing it first, you know?
02:02:45.000Not that bad, but there's like a, there's like a part, there's a certain, the way Canadians talk.
02:02:51.000Yeah, one of the, I did a video a long time ago on Jason Momoa, I think, and his role in Aquaman, and the way I say aqua, apparently, is like, instead of aqua.
02:03:03.000And just like certain things like that, people would clue into and be like, what the fuck?
02:03:09.000Oh, did you think Jason Momoa was on the sauce?
02:03:13.000I think my conclusion at the time, that was a really iffy one, because the guy is just a built fucking dude to begin with, with like a big frame.
02:03:21.000But it would be like safer to assume than not that he probably did a little something for his peak superhero, you know, role.
02:03:29.000Yeah, and the money that you're talking about, like if someone's playing Thor, like that's a good one.
02:04:19.000He's still athletic and has a good frame beforehand, but that's the reason why he also ends up the way he does when he takes gear, because a lot of people who take gear, they still look like shit, to be honest, but it's still pretty obvious he packed on just exorbitant amounts of tissue very quick.
02:04:53.000Because it's very difficult, especially when you're growing up and you get influenced by these comic books and you see them and they look like Mr. Olympia competitors in the comic books.
02:05:01.000And I just find it hilarious how many women complain about body, like obviously they have their own issues with unrealistic body image, you know, things that are portrayed to be the ideal for women.
02:05:13.000But those physiques are achievable through like some like nutrient deprivation, excessive cardio or whatever.
02:05:19.000Whereas for us, the physique we're told is like the ideal is achieved through grams and copious amounts of exogenous steroids that are going to kill you in like 15 years.
02:05:29.000And then, yeah, and it's like that is what's portrayed on us as like ultimate, you know, pinnacle of masculinity, some ridiculous, unrealistic ideal that you'll never get to.
02:05:39.000Even if you had prime genetics and sauce your face off and ate food all day and trained every fucking day perfectly, you'll still never get there in most cases.
02:05:47.000I think there are certain women that want an excuse for why they're big.
02:05:51.000Oh yeah, there's definitely a huge push towards pro-obesity stuff now.
02:05:57.000Yeah, well, it's ridiculous, this body positivity nonsense.
02:06:01.000Listen, it doesn't mean you need to be mean to someone who's overweight, but to pretend that that's healthy is fucking preposterous.
02:06:09.000The problem, I don't see anything wrong with, of course, if you just want to be a certain way, or you have.
02:06:14.000Like, some people, through epigenetics, when they're born, their parents, the way their lifestyle is, will literally influence their kid's baseline as to how, you know, they're...
02:06:53.000Well, not only that, I mean, especially during the pandemic and especially during when we talked about this yesterday, they pulled up the study where it was showing how COVID affects overweight people so much differently because their body literally doesn't produce the antibodies correctly because of the obesity.
02:07:14.000Like obesity has an effect on the way your body produces antibodies.
02:07:17.000And so that's why at one point in time, at least 78% of the people that were in the ICU for COVID were overweight.
02:07:24.000Yeah, pretty much everything in your body, physiologic process-wise, functions better when you're, you know, a lean slash athletic body composition, have some muscle, have good glycemic control.
02:07:35.000Did you see the podcast that I did with Peter Attia?
02:07:39.000But one of the things that Peter, who's a, he's an oncologist, and now he does mostly life extension medicine, but he said, or he's an oncologist, A surgeon?
02:07:51.000Is an oncologist someone who does cancer surgeries?
02:08:32.000One thing I thought that was really interesting is he mentioned the use of flavoxamine in attenuating the COVID-19.
02:08:38.000Yeah, that's definitely a super promising intervention now.
02:08:41.000And it has so many multifaceted applications.
02:08:44.000And I don't know why more people aren't looking at it for a concurrent adjunct to be used alongside the main thing that everyone thinks is the only thing you can use right now.
02:10:55.000Well, not everyone, because there's that fucking alien guy who thinks he needs everything, regardless of how jacked or lean he is or whatever.
02:11:22.000Eating donuts and singing like an angel.
02:11:25.000No, it's crazy how much Fat Shroud's facial features, too, where it's like somebody who they thought they were ugly and then they just got in shape and it's like, oh, wow, you're fucking hot.
02:12:38.000Yeah, some of it is gear-related, too, though, because there's an idea that there's more androgen receptors in your delts and traps, so you sort of see this.
02:12:47.000This is almost one of the ways you can identify guys who use shit, too.
02:12:50.000Like, you know, when you saw Vitor, you're like, his traps are up to his...
02:12:53.000Yeah, there's more androgen receptors in there that steroids bind to.
02:12:57.000So you can sort of identify a guy who has disproportionate development, like, oh, he's probably using hormones.
02:14:53.000There's something called CJC1295 that the same compounding pharmacy you probably get the Samorlin from probably makes.
02:15:00.000That seems to be more efficacious, and I've used that over Samorlin, and I use a GHRP with it, like an ipamorelin concurrently with it, and it definitely works to some extent.
02:15:15.000I like the fact that it works with your body's internal system, whereas GH is just an unregulated amount of hormone getting introduced into your system.
02:15:26.000You have no control over how much output there is.
02:15:38.000Because with GH, you could end up in a situation where you do have disproportionate insulin resistance developing, progressing cancer potentially, whereas you have this...
02:15:48.000That would never happen with one unit, but within your own body's pituitary limits, the samoralin seems to be more favorable from a risk standpoint, at least.
02:16:01.000Well, it kind of depends on how frequently you want the benefits, because if you're using this stuff, you're going to get acute lipolysis when you're using it.
02:17:14.000I think that was from, there was a book that I had read like back in the day when I had first heard about people doing hormonal replacement, doing hormone replacement with growth hormone.
02:17:27.000Yeah, it's definitely a real possibility.
02:17:30.000Because some people too, they overdo it and they self-induce a state of acromegaly where they're like Andre the Giant basically, hormone levels.
02:17:39.000But we had a guy named Bigfoot Silva that fought in the UFC that had a pituitary gland tumor.
02:17:45.000And it was causing him to have gigantism.
02:17:48.000And then they operated on the pituitary gland and then his body wasn't producing any hormones and so then he was fighting with no hormones and the problem was he just could not take a punch anymore where he was like indestructible before and Yeah.
02:18:06.000And then all of a sudden he'd take a punch and he'd just go out.
02:18:09.000And I mean, it's hard to say because part of that could have been, there's a thing that happens to a fighter when they've had X amount of pro fights, X amount of gym wars, X amount of sparring sessions.
02:18:42.000He said, it's like your body is trying to protect you from your toughness.
02:18:47.000It's like your brain realizes, like, oh, this motherfucker's gonna stand and trade bombs with this guy again, and we're just gonna take the damage, fuck that, we're just gonna shut down the system.
02:18:58.000Yeah, I think that's almost sort of how, even as you get older, some of these processes down-regulate to, I think, conserve you as you become less capable of handling stressful events.
02:19:09.000A lot of people, they want to replace every hormone that gets shut down.
02:19:14.000But, like, there's a theory that maybe these things are downregulating on purpose to avoid things like cancer and whatnot.
02:19:23.000One of the things that I've done recently that helped me a lot is hyperbaric chamber use.
02:19:29.000I followed that Israeli, there's an Israeli university that did a protocol which was for 90 days you do 60 sessions of 90 minutes per day, 60 of those 90 minute sessions, and you found at the end of the 90 days they had an increase of the telomeres which corresponded to a 20 year decrease in biological age.
02:19:54.000Have you done one of those Horvath clock assessments or anything?
02:21:39.000Because it's like there's no way the overall mass of the food is producing this much of a difference where it's like I sat down with a flat stomach and now it's like touching the fucking table.
02:21:48.000But the thing is it's like you're eating dough.
02:21:57.000It's like flour and water, and they dry it out, and then they boil it, so it takes the water back, and then you're going, bah, bah, bah.
02:22:06.000You're eating glue, and it just sits there.
02:22:08.000Almost like the silicone tit discussion.
02:22:10.000It almost reminds me of, like, with food, too.
02:22:12.000When I look at something that's literally not even, has no nutrient substance whatsoever, and yet I want it like an idiot, and I disproportionately eat so much of it that I know it's going to make me feel sick, too.
02:22:25.000And it's like, you know, gonna be like pro fucking cancer, pro get fat, pro everything that I don't want, but it tastes, makes me feel very dumb.
02:22:33.000Yeah, pro inflammation, your back hurts more, you got weird neck pains after you eat a lot of pasta.
02:22:39.000Even focusing on, if I eat a meal like that, I know the rest of my day work quality wise and focusing on anything is out the window.
02:23:15.000I've done keto a couple times, but it was super long ago, and I was never doing anything entrepreneurial at the time, so it was irrelevant, me assessing the brain fog back then, so I don't even remember what it was like.
02:23:26.000But now, from a cognitive aspect, I notice a dramatic...
02:23:29.000Anytime I have a super carb-dense meal...
02:23:31.000The brain fog is just like another 20% added every like carb dense meal until the end of the day you're just like in a fucking haze trying to work and it's just not even like nothing productive is happening and I know guys who do carnivore or keto diets you stay mentally sharp.
02:23:49.000Perpetually, because your blood sugar is just stable, you're not spiking your insulin through the roof.
02:23:53.000So, I've been very, very tempted to try it, personally, just for the cognitive elements, but the dramatic decrease, and you lose, like, instantly, like, 10 pounds of water, like, out of the muscle, specifically, from the lack of glycogen, and the performance hit you take in the gym.
02:24:07.000It's very hard to build muscle when you're in keto, or it's harder.
02:24:11.000That's sort of like, eh, I've been like weighing it out in my head if I should try it or not.
02:24:15.000Yeah, I wonder if your body adapts eventually.
02:24:17.000Because you said the carnivore thing hit your performance pretty hard in the gym.
02:24:21.000Yeah, it hit my performance, especially doing rounds in the bag.
02:24:24.000Like, I would be okay for the first like 30 seconds.
02:24:30.000But then there's like this, oh, Jesus.
02:24:32.000I wonder if you could do like carnivore as your base diet and then just around the workout sessions that you're trying to get that acute...
02:24:57.000The workout perimeter, but then during the workout, you give just the fuel you need, carbohydrate-wise, might be an approach that's worthwhile.
02:25:04.000Yeah, it seems like that's possible, and I know some guys have done that with apples, and for whatever reason, that combination seems to be pretty common.
02:25:30.000I don't know exactly what those comprise of, but the gastric emptying of this stuff is very, very fast intestinal transit to the point that it's in and out of your system.
02:25:39.000So you have low GI stress in and out of your system quick, so you could hypothetically fuel up for the workout, burn it, and then be back into keto relatively quick, ideally, I would think.
02:25:58.000What if you had apples, say if you have an apple or two, just an hour and a half before a hard workout?
02:26:08.000You'd have to experiment, I guess, because ultimately, I'm sure you can tell a dramatic difference when you, the keto adaptation period is pretty rough from what I remember, like transitioning.
02:26:19.000So I think you'd tell if it was making the transition in and out difficult from like a time duration standpoint pretty quick.
02:26:26.000The keto fog has nothing on the carnivore diarrhea.
02:28:12.000I forget what the name of the one that I have, but for my house here in Texas, I got one where you even come near it, it opens up, and light goes off and everything, and you sit down, and you can press a button, and the button shoots hot water up your butt.
02:29:07.000Because sometimes you sit there and you've got that one random one that's like, what, do I need a whole roll of toilet paper to get rid of this last bit?
02:31:37.000It was wild when it was like a fucking shift in the universe when like those tight pants came out and like Lululemon was founded in Vancouver in Canada.
02:31:47.000And girls starting to wear the Lululemon tight pants that show off their ass.
02:34:25.000Some of the preferences for women are just like...
02:34:28.000I guess it's good universally, though, because it means there's more chances for guys, whereas for chicks, it's like there's like...
02:34:34.000You can kind of tell universally what's attractive on a woman from like a body composition aspect and features, but then for guys, it's like so many fucking options and so many preferences that more guys are going to have a chance than otherwise would with like a...
02:34:48.000You know, a higher quality woman, probably.
02:34:50.000Well, guys have so many other weird things, right?
02:34:53.000Like, a guy could be successful that makes him more attractive.
02:35:09.0005-10% of guys get like 90% of the girls or something, because it's just like all of these, like especially from an online dating aspect, it's just like disproportionately ridiculous in how successful a very small subsect of guys is on the device, on the...
02:35:25.000Apps versus women, they, from like, I don't know, 5 out of 10s all the way to 10 out of 10, a lot of them are pretty much inundated with options still.
02:35:33.000Whereas guys, it's like only the top upper echelon have all the options and the rest get like fucking none.
02:35:40.000Yeah, that's like the concept of the incel, right?
02:35:43.000Remember when that one dude drove his car into a bunch of people and killed him because he was an incel?
02:36:44.000Yeah, I can't even imagine the, like, awareness of knowing how disproportionate my value is based on physical appearance and almost nothing else.
02:36:52.000Because, like, if I'm a guy seeking a high-quality woman, like, I don't really give a shit if she's, like, rich and successful.
02:37:00.000No, like, I would prefer you are, you know, like, a good cook and, like, can take care of shit and, like, help me achieve success in my endeavors and are, like, supportive.
02:37:11.000Rather than, like, I don't give a fuck if you're a breadwinner or not.
02:38:16.000Like, if some chick is, like, has super high aspirations and wants to be, like, entrepreneurial and, like, start a business and do that, I'm almost like, oh, like, how much time is this going to take?
02:38:26.000Well, see, that's what women are worried about.
02:38:28.000Women are worried about the idea that if you're not into strong women and that you want the woman to be subservient and you want the woman to be like for you to be priority, your life to be a priority and your success be a priority and her to be almost like,
02:39:03.000I would rather see you allocating time towards something that's, I don't know, like, aligns with my vision of where I'm going.
02:39:10.000Because it's like if we have two different paths entrepreneurially, she's, like, I can't imagine you wouldn't drift apart in some capacity if you're, like, she's full board on work, you're full board on work.
02:39:20.000Like, there's no, like, in the middle at all.
02:39:52.000Like, she was with him in the relationship.
02:39:54.000She assumed this sort of supportive wife position, and she took care of all these other aspects of their personal life while he worked hard.
02:40:57.000And like, oh my God, you're going out every night.
02:40:58.000And then you're going out four nights a week, and you're going out to dinners, and you leave the house at 7. You don't come home till 11. Then you're tired when you go to the gym in the morning.
02:41:09.000But you're really into it because you really like her, but it takes a lot of time.
02:41:13.000Whereas if you're married, you live in the same house.
02:41:15.000So you come home, it saves a lot of time.
02:41:18.000Also, when you're working really hard, she doesn't think that you are ignoring her.
02:41:22.000She thinks you're working for the both of you if you have your funds together tied in together.
02:41:30.000Because, again, if you're a woman and you You assume that's sort of a traditional male-female marriage-wife role, and you take care of the house while the guy's working, and then the guy goes, eh, I'm done with this.
02:41:42.000And you're like, bitch, I just invested 15 fucking years in your stupid life.
02:42:51.000So it's just my goal was always just to do my best, like do my best as a comic, do my best as a podcaster, and that has worked for me.
02:43:01.000I'm not saying it should work for everybody, because I think some people need, like there's some people that are very goal-oriented, like they want to have a vision board, they want to write all this shit down.
02:43:13.000And they want to say, you know, by the time I'm 30, I want to have X amount of dollars in the bank and I want to have my own house.
02:43:19.000And by the time I'm 40, I want to be the fucking CEO of this and be doing that.
02:43:27.000Yeah, I think there's a misconception about how, like, disorganized or just like, I don't know, people don't realize they're successful until they're just like, they are, and it was just a result of their hard work cumulatively over time, and it's like, eventually you're in this amazing position,
02:43:44.000but it's not like you planned it necessarily step by step.
02:44:14.000I would just explain what was happening, why it was happening, and I felt like I had an obligation to try to explain to people, like, especially the ground game when it comes to jiu-jitsu positions, which is very technical.
02:44:27.000And so I'm trying to explain and walk my way through these very intricate positions where I see a guy setting up for a very specific move.
02:44:35.000And then when it comes to stand-up comedy, like...
02:44:57.000A guy can teach you how to play guitar.
02:45:00.000No one can teach you how to do stand-up.
02:45:01.000You just gotta do it, and hopefully it works.
02:45:04.000And then with podcasting, I mean, there was radio before, so it was like Howard Stern and Opie and Anthony, but that was like really how I got into it.
02:45:13.000And then once I started doing podcasting in 2009, there was Adam Carolla.
02:45:21.000He already had one and Marc Maron had one.
02:45:23.000There's a few guys who had one before me, but it was just like...
02:45:57.000Like, whenever I look at, like, we were just on Spotify 2021, number one podcast of the year, all this, they sent me some stuff, showed me what the numbers are.
02:46:46.000Because other people won't work with me.
02:46:49.000Relationships are just like business partnerships or even friendships.
02:46:53.000Like some guy who would be great friends with another guy, you would think that guy's annoying as fuck, and you'd never want to hang out with him.
02:47:00.000Whereas other people would be like, dude, fucking let's party!
02:47:36.000Because that way, if they like you, they actually like you.
02:47:38.000If you're working so hard to convince someone that you're awesome, but you're really kind of bullshitting, eventually you're going to get exhausted and you're going to give that up.
02:47:46.000And that's what a lot of women say guys do.
02:47:48.000Like, they're in a relationship with a guy, and then they know him for, like, a couple of months, and all of a sudden that guy reveals who he really is.
02:47:56.000Yeah, there's definitely, like, a facade.
02:47:58.000People, I think, are on their best behavior and act, like, totally fucking different than what they are for the first little bit.
02:48:04.000That's what every rich single guy worries about.
02:49:20.000Well, the mom was multiple bad relationships, divorced over and over again, right?
02:49:26.000And he thinks it's just like, she grew up with this predatory idea of what a marriage is.
02:49:31.000Like, you can find a guy who's successful, and then you treat him real nice, and then you work your way in, and then once you get pregnant, and then tell this motherfucker what's up.
02:49:42.000And so once she was married, and when she was pregnant, it was just like, She just decided, you know, no sense in dragging this out.
02:49:52.000Let's just close this up right now and take that check.
02:49:56.000And now he's paying her for, you know, 18 years.
02:53:55.000I think when you're that, you don't want to date a 20-year-old.
02:53:59.000DiCaprio does, and he's like late 40s.
02:54:01.000Yeah, but he doesn't have any children.
02:54:02.000You know, I think once a man has children, and once you've been through all that, and your father, it's like, what am I going to date some 20-year-old?
02:54:10.000And someone who's like the same age as your kids, it seems kind of creepy.
02:55:27.000If you're a smoke show, if you're a hot lady, and you meet some Rupert Murdoch-looking guy, and he's worth billions of dollars, you're like, I think I can fuck this guy.
02:55:43.000You know, all you have to do is get...
02:55:44.000If he's single, all you have to do is be alone with him.
02:55:46.000And if he's straight, you know, you can eventually, you know, charm your way to the point where this guy wants to fuck you, and he can't believe he can.
02:57:25.000Even if he's not hyper-successful, he's 100% going to stay.
02:57:32.000Yeah, I guess there's definitely a comfort in knowing that you've got the leveraged position.
02:57:36.000Do you have specific goals for your success?
02:57:40.000Your podcast, you're saying, essentially, your YouTube show, you really didn't start out to do it.
02:57:47.000You didn't have it in mind, like, this is what I'm going to do.
02:57:50.000I'm going to do a podcast on male enhancement and betterment and improving your life, and this is going to be super successful, and I'm going to be on YouTube with a million followers.
02:58:25.000You know, because you didn't do your goal.
02:58:26.000So for me, I started to develop more, I don't know, uh...
02:58:33.000I don't know, kind of like higher tier goals from a daily, like micro standpoint as things went on and became proportionally, you know, more, I don't know, the stakes are higher.
02:58:44.000So I would, for example, when I wanted to grow faster and I just saw the opportunity of what my channel was doing, I went from posting once a week or something to once a day.
02:58:54.000And then after that, I went to twice a day.
02:58:57.000And adhering to that schedule, I could tell the growth was disproportionately better And the performance of things was getting better, and I was also getting better at speaking, becoming more fluent, being able to articulate myself, and things were just proportionally escalating, almost in a dose-dependent manner of the input relative to the output of what result I was getting.
02:59:17.000So I started to change my daily goals accordingly, just knowing that the output was going to be this superior...
02:59:25.000Thing that otherwise I wouldn't have got to in nearly the same time frame or the, I don't know, the level at which it's become.
02:59:34.000I do have goals, but it was, I don't know.
02:59:37.000Like at this point, I do have pretty tangible goals, but they're more based around my companies rather than Anything to do with the channel itself.
03:00:03.000We were doing it on Ustream at the time, and me and my friend Brian, and we were watching this little chat thing, and we would answer questions on Twitter and shit.
03:00:57.000It becomes a part of their life, and you give them content, and in return, they come see you do stand-up, you have a successful show, you get advertising revenue.
03:01:06.000I had this idea of it that a lot of other comics didn't seem to grasp, because comedians, a lot of us are lazy.
03:01:15.000We're impulsive, kind of wild, crazy people.
03:01:17.000And not the type of people that you would think are going to sit down and formulate some sort of a business plan.
03:01:23.000Especially based on something that was never supposed to be a business in the first place.
03:01:27.000And then as time went on, I really started saying, okay, now I need a real legit professional studio.
03:02:27.000But yeah, the goal thing is it's interesting when someone just concentrates on doing a good thing and that thing is something that they're genuinely interested in.
03:02:37.000That's what comes through when I watch your show is that these subjects that you're talking about, you obviously have a genuine interest and a deep knowledge of.
03:02:48.000Yeah, I think there's a huge disparity between individuals who just post for the sake of having high viewership, though, too, and people who feel like they're impactful in some, like, actual way that's improving lives.
03:03:27.000All those people eventually have some sort of tangent into something else or just burnout.
03:03:31.000But for me, a lot of my stuff is based on interpreting blood work, getting preventative medicine, doing stuff that's actually impactful either from a performance enhancement context or a prevention of deterioration of health aspect.
03:03:46.000That kind of stuff I'm highly passionate about, highly interested in, and those are literally the foundations of my businesses, too, because I have a preventative medicine practice with a bunch of doctors in it who we literally diagnose and help people with pituitary adenomas with low testosterone or individuals with autoimmune issues or this or that.
03:04:06.000And for me, when I put out content and I see somebody that found an undiagnosed Issue that they went years without realizing was ruining their life and then we're able to find it and fix it for them or something like that kind of stuff is like very rewarding from not just a Monetary aspect,
03:04:23.000but like it feels like you're doing something useful Rather than just like producing content for the sake of content that you think will get high views kind of thing Yeah, so when I put out information that's I don't know extrapolating or like parsing out information from Newest literature that's come out on endocrinology that could be relatable for hormone replacement or how to attenuate the cardiovascular implications of testosterone use and things of this nature.
03:04:48.000It's very, very practical in that I'm actually potentially imparting information on somebody that's going to save years off their life, improve their quality of life, do a bunch of different things that are above and beyond me talking about, oh, is this guy naughty or not?
03:05:05.000Yeah, so like I do those because they draw in viewership too, which then brings those people to see my other stuff that's actually informative.
03:05:12.000I think you have a very fair assessment too.
03:05:22.000Yeah, you gotta be a little bit, you know, give wiggle room on stuff like that too because some of them are pretty like bold accusations sometimes.
03:05:30.000Yeah, but listen, man, I really enjoy your channel.
03:06:00.000Yeah, so More Plates, More Dates on YouTube, and then my two companies are GorillaMind.com for my nootropic and pre-workout formulas and supplements, and then Merrick Health, if you want high-quality preventative medicine.
03:06:17.000High-quality preventative medicine hormone replacement.
03:06:20.000It's basically a platform where I get you connected with doctors that represent the most cutting-edge literature and the most recent ways to optimize your health, performance, vitality, etc.