In this episode, I sit down with art dealer, entrepreneur, entrepreneur and founder of NFTs, to talk about all things NFT. We talk about how NFT's are changing the world, what they are, how they work, and how they could be used in the future of art and entrepreneurship. We also talk about the rise of the NFT ecosystem and how it could be a game-changer in the way we think about money, art, and entrepreneurship in general. I hope you enjoy this episode and that it gives you a little insight into what's to come in the next few years and what we should be looking out for in the world of finance and art. You can expect weekly episodes every available as Video, Podcast, and blogposts. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts and other podcasting platforms. We appreciate your support and look forward to hearing from you again next week. Thank you so much for all the support and support of the podcast. Timestamps: 0:00 - What is a NFT? 5:30 - What does it mean? 6:15 - How does it work? 8:40 - What do they do? 9:00- What are they do with money? 11:30- What is it like? 16:00 17:20 - Why is it important? 18:20- What do you think about NFT s? 19:00s? 21:10 - Why does it matter to you? 22:10 23:40 26: How do you like it? 27:30 28:20 29:30 Is it a good idea? 32:30 What are you looking for? 35:00? 33:30 How do they work for me? 36:00 Is it good? 37:00 What is your favorite thing? 39: Is it cool? 40:30 Why do you want to know what does it make you feel like it's a good deal? 41:00 Does it matter? 45:30 Do you think it's going to be better? 44:30 Does it have a purpose? 47:00 Do you have a dollar a day? 46:00 Can it be better than that? 51:30 Can it help me build a better future?
00:04:34.000So, they basically kind of like pooled all their money together really quickly.
00:04:38.000They pooled together from like 20,000 people like $40 million and like tried to buy it and they just barely lost out by like, I don't know, $5 million or something.
00:05:09.000It kind of shows how people can sort of like organize very quickly around sort of like a goal.
00:05:14.000And so that's where if you had like a DAO for like charity, you could sort of like organize people to sort of like have voting power and like these are the charities we want to support.
00:05:21.000You could kind of like have a role in it as well.
00:05:24.000And the problem with that is you could have groups that are organized that would go and generate money for a specific charity and that charity might be bullshit.
00:05:34.000Well, and that's where you can program in the rules for it.
00:05:38.000So you can make it very like checks and balances.
00:05:40.000So it's not just like, okay, one person's just like, okay, here, let's give it to whatever.
00:06:04.000I'm learning more and we're doing a bunch of charity work like next year that we're like selling artworks and stuff and like a bunch of auctions.
00:06:11.000There's a few charities that I support because I know the people that are responsible for the charity.
00:06:15.000I know like how they organize and how they run it.
00:06:18.000But man, a lot of charities are slippery.
00:07:13.000But then you have to get people to facilitate that and you have to pay them, which obviously they deserve to be paid, right?
00:07:18.000But it's like, should they be getting rich off a charity?
00:07:21.000Then the thing is like, okay, but they just want a job.
00:07:28.000The wealthy people are supposed to be donating, but if you need people to run that job, they shouldn't be doing it for charitable donations.
00:07:36.000They should be getting paid like a normal person.
00:07:38.000They should be able to live comfortably while they're doing this hard work.
00:07:43.000It's definitely something, though, that you can...
00:07:45.000If you want to see your money do the maximum amount of good, which I'm sure you do, it's something you do need to keep tabs on.
00:07:54.000I also just don't want to donate to anything that's bullshit.
00:07:58.000But again, that's where you can control it and you sort of give the options to the like thing that are all sort of like already approved by you.
00:08:05.000So it's sort of like it's not just giving up control.
00:08:07.000You can kind of like bring in the community in ways that you want and sort of like augment it and kind of like, you know, kind of get feedback.
00:08:14.000But it's still in a sort of like controlled manner.
00:08:17.000So it's there's a lot of different ways to like kind of like...
00:08:20.000Use this technology to interact with your fans or followers.
00:08:24.000Ever since I had this woman, Renee DiResta, who researched the internet research agency from Russia.
00:09:43.000Organized fuckery from these countries that literally have a vested interest in causing mistrust.
00:09:51.000So what they could do is, if you had a bunch of people that were voting on a charity, they would develop a fake charity that sucks, and then they would rig the voting.
00:10:01.000They would have thousands of people vote for this.
00:10:53.000Hesitation because there's no like rush to it because it's still being figured out and like people are figuring out what works, what doesn't work.
00:11:00.000And so I think it's something to sort of like, you know, have on your radar, but it's not like something where you need to like super, super like rush into it because it's not going away.
00:11:10.000Out of all the things that are ridiculously profitable, this is one of the most confusing and one of the ones that I never saw coming.
00:11:19.000When it was happening, I was like, what is this?
00:11:21.000And I've had 20 people explain it to me.
00:12:58.000Yeah, I was just doing, I mean, this was a year ago.
00:13:01.000This was sort of like, I was already, I'd already done 20 years of art and build, you know, a couple million followers on, you know, social media and stuff and sort of like, you know, you'd see my stuff a couple years ago and like...
00:13:11.000Yeah, when did we first get in contact with each other?
00:14:03.000It's like a 3D space like that, where I can like, think about the monsters, you can like, place them wherever.
00:14:07.000That's, I could just place whatever sort of like, Images or sort of like 3D models wherever I want.
00:14:13.000Scale them up, break them apart, put boobs on them, draw on them afterwards, draw on the picture on top of it too, like change out any sort of like piece of it.
00:14:24.000I saw you had it blurred out on Instagram.
00:14:28.000This is literally just, you know, this was like a bit longer, but like four hours in my hotel room last night on a laptop, sitting alone, listening to music.
00:16:21.000I've used tons and tons of models from them.
00:16:23.000You just type anything, a bike, bicycle, car, helmet, whatever.
00:16:27.000And literally, you could pull up an enormous amount of models, and you could just buy them in two seconds.
00:16:35.000And you could put them into the thing and animate them, light them, do whatever with them.
00:16:40.000So when you're doing something like this, like the Dick one, or this Kanye-Drake one?
00:16:45.000Yeah, when they did the concert thing.
00:16:49.000Yeah, so when you do something like this, do you have an idea and you just sit down or do you sit down and then just start fucking around and then eventually an idea comes to you?
00:17:02.000Like this, I knew they were doing that concert, and so it was like, okay, I'm going to do something with a freaking monster that's both of them.
00:17:10.000A lot of these things are sort of ideas of current events sort of extrapolated out into a fucking crazy future.
00:17:19.000And so this is sort of like, far in the future, they'd sort of merge their bodies into this one giant Kanye...
00:17:41.000Like imagining Santa was some sort of like in like a giant trash heap with all of these sort of like this industry that sort of like grown around him like far in the future and it's just sort of this desolate area where this giant commerce beast used to like roam the earth like it's very like I kind of sort of I don't know Usually just place these things and then sort of like after almost I'm sort of like able to see and kind of like
00:18:11.000I have like a vague idea when I'm doing it sometimes a very specific idea but a lot of times it's sort of like just playing around until I like find something that sort of I don't know resonates and sort of feels like a And a lot of times I usually just run out of time because it has to be done by midnight,
00:19:14.000It's sort of like I've got a bunch of things.
00:19:16.000So in that picture, I've got sort of I can make the...
00:19:20.000The ground sort of glossy to make it look like it's water.
00:19:23.000And then I've got a texture that looks like dirt and I can just apply it to just a flat sort of like plain and then it just looks like dirt.
00:19:30.000And then I can populate grass and then just pull in like a 3D deer model and then sort of tweak the lighting.
00:19:38.000I can also put lights wherever I want.
00:19:41.000So I can sort of change it from daylight or make any sort of lighting condition.
00:20:03.000Yeah, so I've got like a bunch of different textures.
00:20:05.000And then I also run it through a filter that makes it look more like a painting.
00:20:08.000So you can see on the edge there how it's kind of like overpainted almost kind of.
00:20:13.000Like I'm also running it through like kind of like a, not an AI, but sort of this filter that makes it look more almost like painterly too.
00:20:20.000So I'm doing a lot of things afterwards, like painting on top of it and like.
00:20:24.000And you're sort of getting these ideas as you're doing it, just kind of going with the flow?
00:20:45.000No weird sort of people or anything like that.
00:20:47.000So when you first started doing this, this kind of digital art, did you have a regular job?
00:21:01.000I started when I was in college and I went to school for computer science and then just started making these weird digital art things and short films with my friends and stuff like that.
00:21:12.000And then out of school, I got a job doing web design and then just kept making this stuff on the side.
00:23:54.000So they started doing that, and what other companies have utilized the images?
00:23:59.000A bunch of different sort of like, and I've also done a bunch of like concert visuals.
00:24:03.000That was another sort of like other whole other thing that I did where I was basically giving away these sort of like short abstract clips that are just kind of 15 second long clips that I don't know if you can pull up some of those, but they're kind of just abstract ambient things that people can use for anything.
00:24:21.000And so a bunch of people started, they became very popular in sort of the concert visual world and like So popular that they were not cool to use because it's like, oh, you're just using the people clips.
00:24:30.000So they would put them in the background on those giant screens?
00:24:46.000Just always remember that most people are just listening.
00:24:49.000So what we're looking at here is this wild thing where you're going through a pond and Or like some kind of a lake or something and these wild floating digital red images are in the air.
00:25:25.000They like, yeah, they sort of like, if they download it from me, they sort of like see it and they're sort of very well known that these like clips are like free because I've been doing this for like 10 years, like It's cool that you put them out for free.
00:25:36.000Yeah, it's just sort of like something where I love making these clips.
00:27:25.000And so, like, those kind of, like, sort of, you know, more political ones and sort of, like, ones that are, like, commentating on stuff have been sort of recent.
00:27:34.000But honestly, they weren't really, like, possible, like, you know, when I started.
00:27:38.000Like, there wasn't all these, like, model libraries where you could just super quickly, like, grab Kanye, grab...
00:27:43.000Well, or just have models because it's sort of, like, I didn't make the, like, Trump face model.
00:27:48.000I just got it and, like, can use it for whatever.
00:27:50.000How much did the Trump face model cost?
00:27:52.000That, I think, actually, I got from a buddy.
00:27:56.000I think that was from a friend, actually.
00:28:33.000For how long it would take to make that from scratch, very, very cheap.
00:28:37.000I was listening to some old rap music, some 90s rap yesterday, and I was thinking, God, so many guys use Trump in rap songs in a positive way in the 90s.
00:29:17.000Nancy Reagan to Madonna at age like 63 or 64. And then someone commented below that, hey, Nancy Reagan is known historically in Hollywood as being very good at blowjobs.
00:32:18.000She probably has a lot of cool gay friends, and it's probably a cool underground place she could take you to with great music and good hors d'oeuvres.
00:32:55.000So when did you first start doing the animations?
00:32:58.000So I've been doing animations for like a very long time but they looked very very different like 20 years ago like they were very simple and like the tools were it was not 3d it was like sort of like very synced audio and video and so slowly I've sort of like the tools have gotten much more sophisticated that like the things you could do now were like you know Hollywood like full effects like you know 15 years ago yeah that it's like okay that shot would have cost like you know 15 million dollars now you can do it for a thousand bucks Yeah,
00:33:28.000there's all sorts of fan-created videos online now.
00:33:45.000The tools are getting cheaper and cheaper, and there's so much information out there, too, to let people...
00:33:58.000Get really, really quickly assimilated into a technology and then they share their information and it's just like multiplying like so fast how these things sort of like, you know.
00:34:36.000It has some sort of AI fuckery is involved in it, but it also has some insane digital zoom, where you hold the galaxy towards the moon, and it recognizes that you're looking at the moon, so it frames it up in a small square,
00:34:52.000and then you spread it apart and zoom, and you can get these high-resolution, beautiful images of the surface of the fucking moon.
00:35:01.000That's crazy, and they specifically programmed it for the moon.
00:36:27.000I remember there was one guy left it in his car, his truck, and he came out to his truck on fire in his driveway and he was filming it with someone else's phone, I guess.
00:36:37.000Didn't they specifically say on airplanes, like, if you have a Note?
00:38:32.000In the future, if this keeps going at higher and higher resolution, you'll basically be able to see insanely far with these things, like 20 years from now.
00:38:42.000I don't even think it's going to be that long ago.
00:38:45.000Because if you look at what you're seeing now with that Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra, which is what I used to take that moon photo, that wasn't available two years ago.
00:39:00.000Okay, that was actually way worse than I thought.
00:39:03.000It said, when the Galaxy Note 7 was recalled by Samsung in 2016, only about 100 of the 2.5 million units shipped worldwide were reported to have exploded.
00:41:12.000Anyway, the technology, just getting back to what we're talking about, the technology is getting to the point where you're going to be able to do a full-length feature movie on your phone easily.
00:41:22.000I mean, look, they already have portrait mode on iPhones where it looks like a film.
00:41:28.000Like you would be in focus, but what's behind you would be kind of blurry.
00:41:31.000And I think they can do that with some phones with video.
00:41:34.000Yeah, they can do that on the iPhone with video.
00:43:34.000Well, their whole existence is about getting cast in things.
00:43:37.000So they have to constantly be saying the right things and following the right progressive ideology and espousing it whenever possible to let everybody know that you're on the right team because you're worried about being cast in things.
00:43:53.000So this is what's absolutely wrong with Los Angeles.
00:43:57.000The entire city, whether they admit it or not, the main focus of the city is Hollywood.
00:44:04.000The main focus is films and television.
00:44:06.000And if you don't think that's the case, they'll shut down giant chunks of Hollywood Boulevard to film a shitty movie.
00:48:41.000It's not necessarily the best thing to do for stand-ups.
00:48:46.000Because it's good in that people get to see you and that you develop an audience, but it's not good in that you become part of that system where you have to be very liberal.
00:49:48.000Honestly, I just saw something where it was just like, worst Chris or something.
00:49:51.000I don't give a fuck what they're thinking.
00:49:53.000They're all insane people that hate their jobs or sitting in front of the cubicle when their boss isn't looking.
00:49:58.000They're tweeting bad things about Chris Pratt.
00:50:00.000It's definitely interesting how the power of people, though, that can kind of blow up something that's sort of like, you know, Just maybe not that big of a deal and it becomes a big deal because...
00:50:15.000You see someone being vulnerable and you could snipe at them and you don't have any repercussions and they're not in front of you, so you attack the guy.
00:51:43.000Jack Carr, he's got these amazing books about this character, James Reese, this Navy SEAL James Reese, a really great thriller, action book.
00:52:28.000It's definitely, it's an interesting time and I think it's, I don't know, I think it's just going to keep getting weirder and weirder as these sort of like technologies and like people, you're like mixing like massive, you know, populations with these technologies in ways where we don't even understand technology.
00:52:48.000You're also mixing people that are shut-ins, that don't have good social interactions.
00:52:53.000And the virus now, they've been inside for fucking a year.
00:52:56.000They don't have to be, like, vetted out in terms of, like, if you're working with people, right, on a daily, and this one guy's annoying as fuck, like, you just avoid him.
00:53:22.000There's more mentally ill people, but there are a lot of bots, for sure.
00:53:25.000And I think there's a lot of people who just feel shitty and they're, like, having a bad day and they just fucking go online and, like, go, fuck you.
00:53:31.000And, like, they just put a shitty comment because they're having a shitty day.
00:53:37.000Like, I kind of look at that shit and it's sort of like, when you do something, that says way more about you and what's going on in your life.
00:54:27.000Your concentration is entirely on negative things, it says more about you.
00:54:31.000If this is what your jam is, your jam is going online and shitting on things and being mean to people, I gotta think most likely something's fucked up with you.
00:54:40.000Yeah, no, you're not living a great life.
00:54:42.000And, like, those people are not, like...
00:54:45.000They're hurting themselves, and so that's why they're spreading that stuff.
00:54:49.000And I think sometimes people are quick to not recognize that and take offense to it.
00:55:14.000When you see something, especially if it cuts in and it's like, oh, that's true, and they say something about you, you're like, goddammit, that is something that I could work on or I could change.
01:01:56.000Oh, and now it's black and white somehow.
01:01:58.000It's, like, going through, like, kind of, like, a loop showing the, like, sort of, like, image and kind of, like, how the image was made and sort of kind of a little bit of the, like, kind of behind the scenes.
01:10:54.000I would like to have multiple versions of me that can run several different lives simultaneously.
01:11:00.000Because I've often thought, like, if I decided, if I went out of, if I had a moment where I could say, alright, this is what I'm going to do and only this, how much How much further could I get in that?
01:11:16.000And there's something about one solitary pursuit where there's some sort of benefit in focusing all your attention.
01:11:26.000Like, look how far you've gotten with your digital art.
01:11:42.000And then the UFC, it benefits for me doing the podcast and benefits for me doing stand-up because when I talk in front of millions of people live during the broadcast, I'm not nervous.
01:12:58.000Like, I have obligations with stand-up to perform on a regular basis, because if you don't, you get out of shape, and then write on a regular basis, because if you don't, your act gets stale.
01:13:23.000Because if you put the most amount of effort into the work and you go on the road a lot and you tighten up your act and you get it to where it's a great show.
01:13:43.000You know, it is for me, like if I go to see a stand-up, like say if I go to see like, you know, Mark Norman or something like that, let me give you for an example, Ari Shafir or Tim Dillon, someone's really funny.
01:13:55.000If I go to see them live, if I paid money to see them live and laugh my ass off for an hour and a half, I walk out of there, I feel really good about the exchange.
01:14:30.000You're putting out this audio and video conversation.
01:14:35.000You're doing your best to make it interesting and to make people sync up to it so they can follow the way you're thinking and you have an enjoyable conversation.
01:16:44.000And then to find out who's stepping outside of those lines and who's doing things wrong and what girls you can't trust because they're sleeping around with all different guys' men.
01:16:52.000And what men you can't trust because they're lying about this and lying about that.
01:17:03.000That's the job of women in these small hunter-gatherer societies is to sort of keep everybody in line and find out what's going on.
01:17:14.000And I think because of that sort of affinity for gossip, they're attracted to these murder mystery shows like, oh, and then what did he do?
01:18:01.000Integrating that into a normal day and you're like, literally, I'm just going to spend an hour hearing the gruesome details of an actual murder.
01:18:19.000When it comes to demographics for true crime podcast, let's find a true crime podcast and find out what percentage of the people that listen are female.
01:19:04.000And that listeners tune into podcasts to seek entertainment for convenience and to avoid boredom while women are attracted to the true crime genre because they are drawn to female protagonists.
01:19:43.000That makes sense if it's women that are reading about men who've murdered women and try to get away with it.
01:19:50.000Because that's like every woman's worst fear is that she hooks up with a man and she winds up having a relationship with him and then he murders her.
01:20:28.000Like, that's not, like, for no reason, to be quite honest.
01:20:31.000I think that's why they are attracted to True Crime Podcasts.
01:20:35.000I think they want to know, if they get a database, you know, they get a baseline, get to read a bunch of different stories about all these things, then they'll kind of recognize patterns.
01:21:58.000A-N-D-R-E-S? Is that how you say his name?
01:22:02.000He's a very famous chef and he's got this restaurant in the Sahara where they cook over live oak fires and they have those Argentine grills.
01:24:01.000I have one from another company called Sonterra, but it's a style of cooking where you're cooking over hardwood, and so you get all this smoky flavor in the meat.
01:24:12.000And so when I was there, I was like, what do you got for old scotch?
01:25:14.000It's my absolute favorite way to cook.
01:25:15.000The easiest way to cook and the most convenient and probably the best is like a Traeger grill to have like a pellet grill because you can control the temperature much better.
01:25:24.000This is like if you're a dork and you want to spend a ton of time.
01:27:33.000I think it distracts you from actually fucking doing something, because you get that tiny little dopamine hit that just keeps scrolling, keeps doing nothing, keeps looking at this, keeps consuming.
01:27:43.000It's setting us up for the Matrix, right?
01:27:45.000And this is what Zuckerberg's trying to do with meta.
01:29:51.000It depends on how much CRISPR gets involved.
01:29:54.000When you talk about genetic engineering, how much that gets involved.
01:29:58.000Because if what's going on in there supplants the need for this body, the physical monkey body that we all have, Then I think we'll get on board sooner than later.
01:32:31.000But don't you think there was a bit of a drop-off in the way you felt about the completeness of the narrative and the film and the whole thing?
01:32:41.000I mean, the first one, like, if it was just that one, like, it ended in a way where it was just like, fucking boom, like, mic drop, fucking insane.
01:34:25.000No, no, it's insane, like, the video that they have, like, it's like, okay, video games are about to get, like, yeah, that's fucking video game.
01:35:38.000And that's where I kind of came up, seeing video games getting better and better.
01:35:44.000Even as a little kid, it's like, oh, Mario 2 looks better than Mario 1, and the next one looks better, and then Mario 3D, and then Quake and Wolfenstein, and holy shit, this is getting crazier and crazier and crazier.
01:35:55.000And then to be able to make those things now is just insane, seeing where it came from.
01:36:02.000When they're younger, in particular, I used to love taking them to animated movies.
01:36:07.000And it's like, many of those movies are very fun, even for adults, like The Incredibles and stuff like that.
01:36:12.000But what's really incredible, and what's really enjoyable to me, was just seeing how far the technology had gone.
01:36:20.000And so, let me think of films like Despicable Me.
01:36:44.000When you see these scenes out in the streets, you're seeing the shadows that are representative of the sun in the particular place that it is in the sky.
01:37:18.000Like, it's very hard to sort of, like, picture looking back 20 years from now and us looking at the stuff like we look at 20 years ago, how it looks so primitive and so, like, simple.
01:37:29.000Like, it's hard to imagine how it could even sort of, like, get better from here because it's already so sophisticated.
01:37:34.000I guess it's got to get better, right?
01:37:36.000Of course it will definitely get better, but it's, like...
01:37:48.000I think the next big thing is going to be AR. That it's sort of in the next maybe 10 years, people are going to have AR glasses, and you're going to see all kinds of crazy shit.
01:37:56.000And it'll be just like the phone where it's super addictive.
01:45:31.000All the grocery stores were open, hardware stores, you know, stuff to get things.
01:45:35.000It's crazy how much that fucked things up, though, that we're, like, still feeling the effects of that, like, a year from now, like, supply chains and shit, just, like.
01:45:45.000The real supply chain issue is what's going on in China and overseas and dealing with the shipping crisis, which is like a trucking shortage.
01:46:30.000Yeah, it's crazy how one tiny little piece of the car can completely derail the whole fucking thing, that it's sort of like, we've got everything ready to go, this tiny little fucking thing, we don't have that, not moving the car.
01:46:42.000Well, what's crazy is we don't make any of that stuff.
01:46:45.000I think a lot of that's coming back, because I think this was a big wake-up call with COVID, that we don't make that shit, and we need that shit.
01:46:55.000It's like, no, we need that shit, like...
01:46:57.000Yeah, but it's more complicated than that.
01:46:59.000The problem is we've gone so far away from the American supply chain that in order for us to make all of our parts here and cars here, think about phones.
01:47:09.000Phones are a great example that we bring up all the time, and I know Elon has talked about making a phone.
01:47:14.000And if he makes a phone, I will 100% switch over to his phone.
01:47:18.000He's going to call it the Pi phone, apparently.
01:47:26.000Samsung is actually making chips here in America.
01:47:29.000They're actually opening up a plant here in Texas to make chips in Austin.
01:47:34.000And every phone that you get now is essentially made by people that live horrible lives.
01:47:41.000100% of these dorms, they're making insanely small amounts of money.
01:47:45.000They're living in They have nets around the building to keep people from jumping off the roof because so many people are committing suicide.
01:49:56.000Like, when you think of it exactly how you said it, in the scope of, like, this being the most technologically advanced thing, and these kids are, like, in the fucking mud, scraping it out.
01:50:49.000The problem is that stuff- Yeah, no, I know they need that, but it's sort of like, even once they get that, then it goes to China, and those people are not that much bad.
01:50:57.000They're not as bad, but it's not great either.
01:51:09.000And you gotta wonder, if you did all that in America, how much less money would you make?
01:51:15.000You'd probably make less, but wouldn't you feel better?
01:51:18.000Wouldn't we all feel better about a phone that was made by someone who had a great job with benefits, and they had X amount of days off per year, and they had great work conditions, they were taken care of.
01:51:32.000You knew that they were looking forward to going to work, they were treated well, there's no nets around the building.
01:51:38.000They could also do that in China too, like they don't have to pay people.
01:51:44.000But what we can do is try to influence companies to make something in America.
01:51:50.000And I think that if Elon started making his Pi phone in America and it was a very high quality phone, the only problem is so many people are married to the Apple operating system.
01:52:17.000And they convince, and I think everybody convinces themselves, myself included, that it's sort of like, okay, when it's like, no, it's pretty fucked up in a way.
01:52:37.000I did a short film where I kind of like sort of outlay a bunch of like income inequality things that are just like, like especially looking at the third world, it's like just the average person in America, a normal salary compared to these people in the third world is like fucking rich as shit.
01:52:54.000Well, if you make $34,000 a year, you are in the top 1% of the world.
01:53:35.000Well, yeah, sort of, like, literally, like, I mean, thinking just about water alone, like, it's something that is just, like, One of the companies we donate to is Fight for the Forgotten, and Fight for the Forgotten, they build wells for the pygmies in the Congo.
01:53:51.000Yeah, my buddy Justin Wren, he's gone over there multiple times, and he founded this company, and they just provide clean drinking water, and just due to that, they've built from this program that we've done, the donations that we've done,
01:54:07.000and when we were working with the Cash App, they've I mean, they've built many, many, many wells over there and supplied a ton of people with clean drinking water.
01:54:16.000It's something that, honestly, to me, is unimaginable.
01:54:21.000Growing up in the United States, not having water.
01:54:24.000It's so literally free and ubiquitous.
01:54:29.000That being something that you need to be concerned about for anything is so unimaginable.
01:54:36.000When he went over there, he was seeing all these children with distended bellies.
01:55:10.000Just sort of, like, seeing it and kind of, like, you know, sort of having that firsthand experience.
01:55:15.000Obviously it caused him to sort of, like, you know, do this sort of, like, charity.
01:55:19.000Yeah, it became the real focus of his life to try to help these people.
01:55:24.000It's the reality of the world that we live in and that's the strangest the strangest connection to me is what we just said that the pinnacle of technology is Directly connected to slave labor that if you follow it down You get people who are the poorest people on earth working in the worst conditions imaginable Digging holes in the ground with sticks to pull these fucking minerals out Even if it was in the United States,
01:56:28.000The dark stuff is that they treat people differently in these other countries in terms of how much they pay them and how many hours they have to work because they can.
01:56:36.000They don't have laws there that are like the laws that we have here in America.
01:56:44.000Unions exist as much as people love to complain about unions.
01:56:49.000Unions exist because people in power will abuse people that aren't in power.
01:56:54.000When you're running a gigantic company and you can make X amount more by making people work X amount more and making them get paid X amount less, people just do it.
01:57:39.000Because there's so many cell phones that if you think about how many cell phones get thrown away and how many cell phones get replaced every year, most people get a new phone, whatever, we say every two years or so?
02:00:10.000It'll be interesting if those become very, very, like we run out and like in the future that it's like, oh shit, those become insanely, insanely like expensive or something.
02:00:20.000They'll figure out other ways around it, I think.
02:00:22.000We would hope, but that they'll figure out shit.
02:00:25.000That's not the case with the supply chain issues.
02:00:27.000We realize like, okay, they're not figuring it out.
02:00:33.000I mean, it's definitely, yeah, it's not a given that people will figure it out.
02:00:38.000These problems are very complex and they're sort of like, there's no guarantee they'll just get solved as we've seen over the last year and a half.
02:00:48.000Yeah, and I wonder what else could be done in terms of how to make electronics.
02:00:53.000Is the path that they're on now, using these coltan crystals and coltan minerals and using all these different things that we have with semiconductor chips, is that the only way to do this?
02:01:03.000Or is this the way we've gone down this very particular path and we're so far down this path that we don't want to start from scratch again and take it from step one?
02:01:15.000I think they'll in the future have more like bioengineering things where they'll figure out how to hack a blood cell or something and that will be the fucking microchip or some shit.
02:01:30.000Again, a lot of people are very incentivized if these metals become a problem to figure out something else because you fucking figure that thing out.
02:01:39.000There's a bazillion, trillion dollars.
02:01:42.000So I think it's one of these things where there's got to be other ways around this stuff.
02:01:48.000The problem is that that might be the way around it, that it becomes integrated with your body.
02:01:53.000So that might be the thing that leads us to become fucking cyborgs.
02:03:16.000But when do you think, so like, I mean, not to downplay these things, obviously it's crazy as shit, but I guess I was thinking of Cyborg more in like a sci-fi sense, like when you are like, when do you think you'll be able to sort of like get a piece of information from the internet into your brain just by sort of like thinking of it?
02:04:09.000Not just unrecognizable in terms of your ability to access information, but also unrecognizable in the ability that governments have to control people with social credit score systems that they're implementing in places like China and places that are controlled by military dictatorships,
02:04:25.000but also unrecognizable in the way we interface with life.
02:04:48.000Over the internet became this like massive thing and I think it's crazy to think like that we're only 30 years into this and the first 10 years, I mean the 90s, that was sort of like, you know, that was kind of a wash.
02:05:00.000Things really started to like gain steam in the last 20 years.
02:05:04.000Really even in the last 10 years started to really like...
02:05:07.000It's changing pretty quick here and like things are moving and it's really starting to see huge effects like in politics and things like that that are really sort of like materially changing the world.
02:05:18.000So what if what we're saying in terms of children in the Congo pulling coltan out of the ground becomes abhorrent?
02:05:27.000Become something that people are just, we will not tolerate.
02:05:51.000I mean, that seems to be where it's headed.
02:05:54.000And it's one of the reasons why those movies are so compelling.
02:05:58.000It's almost like we see the future laid out before us if we don't have some sort of a radical change in what we accept, what we tolerate, and what we universally adopt.
02:06:14.000If you don't have a cell phone, you're so far removed from the cultural conversation that it's way more rare, which is pretty crazy, that in just a short period of time, a device has been so popular that it's way more rare to not have it than it is to have it.
02:06:57.000Do you think the way you're creating art would one day change to the point where you would create some sort of an art that people interface with in a much more realistic sense, like a virtual reality sense?
02:07:12.000Like if they come up with something that takes what you normally would see on a computer, now you get it on the phone, and then you're going to get it in your brain.
02:07:22.000So you would create maybe small experiences.
02:07:27.000I think that's sort of like if that technology – because at the end of the day, I look at art as just a way to sort of like – sort of get ideas across and give people some sort of like emotional experience.
02:07:40.000You experience some emotion when you, you know, see the underwear and this or that.
02:07:45.000I think, you know, as new tools progress, I'll use those tools.
02:07:50.000Like, whatever is sort of, like, available to me, that's what I'll, like, use.
02:07:54.000And I'm always excited about the most advanced technologies out there that are sort of, you know, bleeding edge type things that can give you a more just visceral experience with art.
02:08:23.000That people are not going to care about the external, physical world because you're going to be interested in the internal digital world.
02:08:30.000Yeah, and I think that's where it's sort of, I think it, especially if the problems in the physical world become very annoying and very sort of like, it becomes a not fun place and you can like,
02:08:47.000you know, immediately sort of like be in a very different space that makes you feel better and makes you feel like you're in like a cool place instead of a shitty dumpy place.
02:10:15.000All that negativity, you just see it in little groups of people congregating.
02:10:19.000You know they're planning with Meta, right?
02:10:21.000Yeah, I mean, I think that was mostly just marketing BS, to be quite honest.
02:10:28.000Like, I don't think anything changed that much right now.
02:10:31.000I think they're planning to do these things, but I think they're still, like, a ways off in terms of them sort of building this, like, metaverse.
02:10:38.000I think the term metaverse is thrown around a lot, and there's no sort of, like, clear definition of it.
02:10:44.000Right, but they're defining what they're going to do in the future when the technology becomes more viable.
02:11:14.000I mean, I think they will certainly try to do something, but I think people are going to be a bit resistant to that, just because they sort of...
02:17:59.000And what it was about, the show was basically about watching how predators pursue their prey and all the different tactics and skills that they use.
02:18:08.000And he would try to either mimic them or try to figure out what are the limitations of a human when they try to do what a wolf does when it chases down a pack of elk.
02:18:20.000One of the things that he did was try to figure out what an octopus does to hunt.
02:18:26.000And he came on the show and was talking to me about it.
02:20:03.000And watch when it comes to another place, it'll find another place where it seems like it can kind of blend in and hide, and then it'll adapt its colors to that place.
02:20:11.000So, not only can it see what's below it, but it can mimic it.
02:21:37.000It's so bizarre to me that there's, like, my understanding, maybe you know better than me, like, thousands or tens of thousands of species that we just don't even, like, know about.
02:21:48.000Like, in the ocean, that it's just sort of like...
02:21:50.000Yeah, oh, the ocean's a treasure trove of that.
02:21:53.000Like, they find something, and then it's just like, oh, here's a thing we've never known about.
02:21:56.000Like, that, it just feels to me like that shouldn't be the case, like, that we've found everything.
02:23:02.000There's a difference between our understanding of what's the surface and the depth and how to map it out versus knowing all the biology that's under the surface of the water.
02:25:15.000But that's my favorite way to fish with bait casting reels because it's so accurate.
02:25:21.000So if you're fishing for bass and you're near, say, a shore and you're casting into where these lily pads are, a good angler who's really good with a bait casting reel can kind of place Super accurately.
02:29:26.000They're just going into the mud and just picking up the fucking fish.
02:29:30.000Well, it's more wild than that because they let their hands in there and they're basically finding these holes where the catfish are burrowed into and they're feeling around.
02:29:40.000And sometimes they get their hand in there and a snapping turtle's in there and they lose fingers.
02:35:12.000Like, I would like to, like, do those things, because I find them, like, interesting to sort of, like, learn about these things that I know nothing about, but it's sort of, it's not something I am gonna go do myself.
02:35:25.000But, like, going on, even, like, a hunting thing like that, like, I would never really go hunting myself.
02:35:30.000But honestly, I wouldn't mind going on a hunting trip with somebody just to sort of learn about it because it's just something I know nothing about.
02:35:39.000So it's very interesting to me to learn this sort of subculture and rituals and techniques behind it.
02:35:47.000This is a barracuda that my kid caught.
02:38:35.000That's a funny thing that, like, people, they bring so much, and I'm sure it's no different with comedy, that people bring so much of their own experience to this thing that they think they know what it means, and it's sort of like, honestly, a lot of the times, I don't even fucking know what it means.
02:40:17.000Well, when I make fun of Trump, that pisses a shitload of people off.
02:40:21.000And when I make fun of, like, the other side, too, it pisses people off.
02:40:24.000Or when I post some sexual thing, people think they know what it means, and it pisses them off, and they think they're interpreting all this shit, and it's like, guys, it's just a bunch of dicks.
02:41:00.000And it's sort of like, it's very bizarre because it's like they'll say things about me and it's like, I'm sure you experience the same thing.
02:41:07.000It feels like out of body where it's like, that's not me.
02:41:09.000Who the fuck are you even talking about?
02:41:11.000If I can help you with that, you can't worry about what other people think about you.
02:41:17.000You can kind of take it in a little bit and try to think maybe...
02:41:23.000Yeah, maybe I'm also putting something out there in a way that people are getting a negative impression of me or the wrong impression of me.
02:41:29.000But a lot of those people are just choosing to do that.
02:41:32.000There's some people that choose the least charitable interpretation of everything you do, no matter what.
02:41:54.000I've kind of accepted that, that it's sort of like, okay, if you have a million people love you, there's going to be 10,000 people that fucking hate you, period.
02:42:01.000Well, especially now when they know that you're ridiculously wealthy from this stuff and that all these crazy things you've generated are now very popular and then they can hate you because they knew you when you were nothing or when you were unknown.
02:42:17.000People love tearing down someone who they used to love too.
02:43:06.000There's just a certain amount of people.
02:43:08.000The thing is, do the reasonable people who are intelligent and kind and have a charitable sense of the world, do they have a problem with what you're doing?
02:43:49.000And that's the thing that it's sort of like, when I see people getting, you know, sort of attacking artists or attacking comedians or this or that, it's sort of like, there's so much worse shit going on in the world, like that it's sort of like, I don't know, like, especially when a lot of times these people are trying to...
02:44:50.000And that's how a lot of people are going to see it.
02:44:53.000But there's always going to be people that are upset that you don't share their ideology, or there's always going to be people upset because they take the least charitable position or the least charitable interpretation of your position.
02:45:07.000You've got to just accept the fact, now that you're big time, you're going to have a lot of haters.
02:45:10.000It's definitely, and it's honestly something that doesn't bother me, because I know my intentions with this artwork, and I know my intention is not to hurt people with it.
02:46:45.000It's more just, like, humans have, like, we've got a super fucked up political sort of, like, system where it's sort of, like, that it's, like, kind of, like, all...
02:46:55.000I like that other one with the cheeseburger in the middle of his brain.
02:46:58.000He slices his brain open, there's a cheeseburger in there.
02:47:00.000So this is kind of like assuming we've got these like machines in the future that are like out in the middle of the field that are sort of like processing food and like feeding it to pigs and it kind of like slowly closes on this like, you put in like a cheeseburger and it slowly comes out as food for like pigs over like the course of like a long period of time.
02:47:53.000And sort of, like, trying to play with, like, gender in, like, this weird way that even I don't understand because that is such a, like, prevalent theme in society right now.
02:48:22.000Well, you know, that's what Douglas Murray, who's a British intellectual, very fascinating guy, he said on my podcast, it's a really interesting point, he said, whenever civilizations are crumbling, they become obsessed with gender.
02:48:35.000He said it happened in ancient Greece, ancient Rome.
02:48:49.000And I'm like, why do you think that is?
02:48:50.000And I don't think they had a clear reason, but I think the idea is that they start dissolving all of the predetermined boundaries that we set out for our society.
02:49:00.000Because almost like things become so strange.
02:49:07.000Definitely, that doesn't bode well for us.