On this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the boys talk about Mike Glover, the man behind Fieldcraft Survival and Preparedness, and how he's been censored online and in real life. They also talk about the dangers of using your first aid kit on a mountain bike and how to prepare for the end of the world, and what to do if you find yourself in the middle of a zombie apocalypse and you don't know how to get out of your car. Also, we talk about how to survive in the zombie apocalypse, and why it's a good idea to have a medical kit in your car in case you need to go to the nearest emergency room. Joe also talks about how important it is to be prepared for the worst and why you should have an emergency medical kit on your car if you're going to be in a major zombie apocalypse. And of course, there's a little bit of everything else. Enjoy! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. Subscribe to the pod by clicking the link below and leaving us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. If you like the pod, please leave us a review and a review! Thank you so much for your support and share the pod with your friends and family! Timestamps: 1:00 - What's the craziest thing you've ever heard of someone else did? 4:30 - How do you feel about something? 6:15 - What do you think of it? 7:00 8: What are you scared of? 9:40 - What would you want to see me do in the future? 11:00 | Who do you would like to see someone else do it better? 13:30 16:20 - What is the worst thing you're scared of the most dangerous thing I've ever seen? 17:30 | Who gets to do it the most? 18: What kind of thing I would you do more? 19:10 - Who gets it better than me? 21:40 22:10 24:00 -- Who gets the most interesting thing I m going to do more than that? 25: What's your favorite thing? 26:30 -- who gets to be the best thing I think I m gonna do it more than the most challenging thing I ve done?
00:01:51.000I do think it's highly likely that they take people and put them on certain lists, though.
00:01:57.000Where you don't get distributed as widely.
00:02:00.000But I think what it is, it's like, if they feel like you have controversial content, they don't want to put you in that search function area.
00:04:09.000I think, you know, if you ever pay attention to any of that Project Veritas stuff where they've done undercover camera work with people that work on social media and they talk openly.
00:04:21.000Project Veritas has quite a few of these undercover expose interviews.
00:04:26.000Where they'll have a reporter who is pretending they're on a date with a guy, and then the guy will explain what they do in terms of how they shadow ban people, how they keep people's pages from showing up, and how they keep their engagement low.
00:04:43.000So it is a thing, whether it's a thing on Facebook or Instagram or Twitter, which one does it the most and how they do it, I don't know.
00:04:59.000I think they probably ramp it up around the time where elections come around because they want to make sure that these people don't have as much...
00:05:09.000If you think about engagement, If you have a page and your page is a, let's say it's a pro-Hillary Clinton page, and Hillary Clinton is running for president, and you engage with a lot of people and your page gets a lot of traction,
00:05:25.000if they can slow down your page traction, slow down the amount of engagement that you have, they can slow down the amount of people who might be influenced to vote for Hillary Clinton.
00:05:35.000And say if you have a half a million followers or something significant like that, That could play out in whatever voting area you're in by 100 votes?
00:06:00.000Green Beret first, so they went the army path and they both went and contracted for what I'll call some alphabet soup organizations.
00:06:07.000Millions of dollars put into their training.
00:06:10.000Multiple deployments around combat theaters around the world and even to theaters before combat is there to prep the battle space or train a partner force doing their FID, the Foreign Internal Defense.
00:06:26.000Then they get on social media and people want to not allow them to speak about the things that maybe they have learned and experienced during that time period.
00:07:42.000And I think I was getting a better understanding of who I was, but now approaching my mid-40s, I think I'm finally coming into a place where I'm more comfortable with who I am and things make more sense.
00:07:54.000Completely different person every decade, I would say.
00:09:04.000What's scary when I look back is in my 20s, I also feel like I am making up for a little bit of lost time because I was so...
00:09:11.000Focused on my old job for a very long period of time to the exclusion of everything else and A lot of things suffered and it's taken me a long time to come back around and realize I forget who who had said it But it was we were not having a conversation.
00:09:27.000They basically said hey here's the bottom line the job suffers last always you'll sacrifice personal relationships you'll sacrifice Marriages and loved ones you'll miss birthdays you'll miss holidays because the job suffers last and when you're living that life You don't realize it.
00:09:43.000In my 20s and early 30s, it was just completely front sight focused and then now looking back, you miss out on some stuff for sure and there's some consequences that you're going to have to make amends for.
00:09:55.000I think that's something that a lot of people find if they're obsessed with whatever their career is.
00:10:01.000Whether they're a pro athlete or whether you're a Navy SEAL or...
00:10:05.000I mean, I would imagine anybody that works in business at a very high level, you make sacrifices that...
00:10:13.000If you have a family and you're working 16 hours a day as a CEO of a company, What kind of family do you really have?
00:11:14.000And I think that's probably, in your old line of work, very similar.
00:11:20.000And for anybody that wants to excel, if you want to be a high performer at any very difficult job, very competitive job, If you're going to really be at your best, you're going to give up a lot of stuff.
00:11:35.000You're going to miss out a lot of stuff.
00:11:37.000Yeah, I think the mistake is not realizing that you're missing out on it, which is the lie that I told myself, I think, looking back at my 20s and 30s.
00:12:54.000Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Tommy Hearns.
00:12:57.000And it's all about when they were all battling against each other, when it was, you know, a really golden era for both the welterweight and the middleweight divisions.
00:14:00.000If you want to be Marvin Hagler, you want to be that guy who was just...
00:14:06.000When you would see guys, when they'd step into that ring and they would look across the street, look across the ring at pure determination, pure will, pure discipline, and championship discipline.
00:14:38.000I'm living a different life at this point and I have the opportunity, at least in theory, to try to close some of those gaps that I might have missed.
00:16:41.000I mean, the standards and the tolerances, they're tight.
00:16:45.000And people will get benched sometimes and given time to work on whatever it is they need to work on.
00:16:53.000And from my understanding, the modern-day teams are doing a much better job of integrating the overall family unit.
00:16:58.000Which I actually think will make the guys even more lethal.
00:17:01.000If you know your family's taken care of, if your family is healthy, if you have a good communication dynamic and things are well when you go overseas, it lets you put even more mental horsepower into what's going on over there.
00:17:26.000Is there, like in terms of like qualified candidates, are there less now than ever before or more?
00:17:37.000I'm a little bit detached from the process, so it's like second or third hand, but I don't think there is a lack of people signing up to do the job.
00:18:33.000I don't think there's a lack of qualified people.
00:18:36.000My concern would be, and this is not based on anything that I have necessarily seen, but just kind of watching the world, that I think people may be perhaps pursuing that type of occupation for very different, perhaps more self-serving reasons now.
00:22:05.000The green bottle underneath is pure oxygen.
00:22:08.000Inside of the black, like, little clamshell thing is a container that has either probably softener lime or sodasorb, and it scrubs the carbon dioxide out of your breathing system so that the black cable going around their neck, or not cable, hose, it's an inhalation and an exhalation hose.
00:22:22.000So you purge All of the carbon dioxide out of your system and you're breathing pure O2 and so there's no bubbles.
00:24:10.000Like they see the glory, so they go towards the glory.
00:24:13.000You know, that's one of the things that people from the early days of MMA, one of the things that they really liked is that there was no money.
00:24:22.000Not that they liked that there was no money, but they liked that everybody who was competing was doing it for a pure reason.
00:24:28.000They were doing it to test themselves.
00:24:30.000I mean, they were doing it because they really wanted to see how their skills stacked up inside the octagon.
00:24:36.000It's pretty tough to get punched in the face for free.
00:24:41.000It separates the wheat from the chaff pretty quickly.
00:24:43.000Yeah, I mean, if you want to compete, like amateur fighters, you think about how many guys are fighting amateur, and they're out there getting kicked and punched and strangled, and they're not getting a goddamn penny.
00:25:02.000I completely and utterly support that.
00:25:04.000And I think that everybody should go through that phase in their life where you see where you want to go and you're getting just your dick stomped into the dirt and you're not being rewarded for it in any way and you have to struggle and fight and just grind your way to that end state.
00:25:20.000Yeah, I'm a firm believer that those uncomfortable experiences of failure, they are so critical to your development as a human being.
00:25:31.000And not just your development in whatever the endeavor of choice is, but your development as a human being.
00:25:37.000That if you don't have those, the people that seek too much comfort, if you don't have those rough experiences, you don't develop properly.
00:25:44.000Those people who seek too much comfort, they don't develop right.
00:25:48.000They're like a salamander that never becomes its mature form.
00:25:52.000The uncomfortable experience of failing or of being smushed, of being overwhelmed by the competition, like being completely inadequate, completely unprepared, completely...
00:26:09.000Insufficient to get the job done like that's important to know because otherwise You go through this life for like how many guys out there who have never had any physical altercation With people have this completely distorted perception of what they're capable of doing, but I call it the game time player Joe's they don't need to train It's my mentality,
00:27:02.000I think we were at the Deseret talking about the theory of keeping your world small, right?
00:27:06.000Little small chunks and stuff like that.
00:27:07.000The way you set your goals Drastically will impact, I think, the statistical odds of success, but also seeking difficult things and finding failure.
00:27:18.000Resilience, the only way you're going to build resilience is if you push up against things that are hard.
00:27:22.000The definition of resilience is an object being pushed from its normal state and returning to that state.
00:27:27.000I think the goal should be returned to that state plus.01%.
00:27:30.000But if you always avoid those things, how are you ever going to expect to be capable of handling the challenges of life?
00:27:37.000And I think that's where the mental toughness aspect of not the SEAL community, but I would say the military to a degree, but specifically because I can speak to the special operations world.
00:27:47.000The pipelines, they're just wrought with failure.
00:27:49.000I mean, the curriculum is designed to find your weakest point and then exploit it and get in there with a rake and just fucking dig around in your head.
00:27:55.000And it's failure after failure after failure after failure.
00:27:57.000Not catastrophic, but small failure, small punishment.
00:28:00.000And there are people who see that as a roadblock and they quit.
00:28:03.000And there are people who see that as a motivation and they move forward.
00:28:06.000And if you can grasp your head around those principles, I mean, it puts you in a place where you're able to accomplish things that will make people scratch their head.
00:28:20.000You have to seek that and you have to be accustomed to the experience of trying to do things and failing, trying to do things and getting maybe a little bit better.
00:28:30.000Looking back six months, you're better than you were then.
00:28:33.000Looking back a year later, you're better than you were then.
00:28:36.000And being able to trust that process and just keep grinding.
00:29:25.000It never goes my way when I roll with Bob.
00:29:28.000It's like, no, you need to go roll with the guy that you know is probably going to beat you, except the fact that you're going to get beat.
00:29:34.000I don't mean getting mauled, even though I do believe there's a time and place for that, too.
00:29:37.000But your body will tell you, and this happens, I think, professionally as well, too, because it happens to me.
00:30:07.000You need to have a real idea of where you're at.
00:30:12.000I remember when I was a white belt, there was guys that I would roll with that would just smush me.
00:30:16.000And then by that time, I got to be a brown belt.
00:30:19.000I could either stalemate them or I could occasionally tap them.
00:30:23.000And the same guys who used to smush me I could tap.
00:30:26.000And that's a crazy feeling of knowing that it's this long journey of over a decade of getting strangled and your fucking ass handed to you that you do make progress.
00:30:39.000Willingly go ask another man to choke you nearly unconscious.
00:30:45.000I didn't train as much as some folks do.
00:30:48.000Like, you know, some folks are training every single day.
00:30:51.000Like Bourdain, when he was really into jiu-jitsu, he was telling me that he was taking a private every day for an hour, and then he was taking a class every day after the private.
00:32:57.000There's a picture of him walking down the street somewhere with no shirt on with the ex, with his ex, I guess the girl he was dating when he died.
00:33:07.000I think they were broken on when he died.
00:33:09.000He was like full six-pack, which is crazy.
00:33:35.000He was addicted to not just things that were bad for you, but also things that were good for you.
00:33:44.000You know, that's something BJ Penn told me, too.
00:33:47.000BJ Penn told me he was having a conversation with this guy who was a huge fan of his, who was addicted to jiu-jitsu, and he was saying to BJ, like, I got my black belt in three years just like you.
00:33:58.000And he goes, man, he goes, you're dedicated.
00:34:26.000I mean, I don't have nearly enough experience to comment on jiu-jitsu as a whole or anybody else's journey in it, but...
00:34:34.000From the conversations I've had with coaches that I respect, they have all kind of either experienced that a little bit, that level of dedication or seen other people who every other aspect of their life is falling apart, but they'll spend three to four hours a day on the mats.
00:37:23.000Like, the dad was a dentist, and one day his son got sunburnt, and he had blisters, and the dad saw the blisters and just fucking dropped dead.
00:37:40.000And so, one time, her and I went to the movies, and in the movie, someone was shooting heroin, and the person sticks the needle into their arm and plunges the hair, and she just blacks out at the movie theater.
00:38:42.000I thought they played dead, but apparently they go into shock and they just lay there and they think that it might increase their benefit, like increase their chances rather, of survival because some animals when they attack them will stop attacking them if they don't move.
00:38:59.000So when the animal attacks them, like a wolf or something will shake them, and if they just lay perfectly still, they'll think they're dead already, and they might have a chance of survival that's better than fighting back.
00:39:13.000I think I would fight back with the wolf.
00:39:40.000Are essentially a protective mechanism.
00:39:43.000Reflex faints are activated by the nervous system, which slows down the heart rate and lowers blood pressure in response to strain, leading to reduced blood flow to the brain.
00:39:52.000I bet people who faint like that can get choked out easy.
00:39:56.000Triggers for this can be surprisingly benign.
00:39:58.000For some people, laughing, coughing, swallowing, urinating, urinating.
00:40:03.000Imagine you take a leak and you just black out.
00:41:21.000You're supposed to find out what's the correct technique for blowing a trumpet because I think you're supposed to keep your mouth closed and keep everything tight.
00:41:33.000You're definitely not supposed to fill your face up with air, but Dizzy might have been self-taught.
00:44:14.000There's a reason why when you throw a right hand, you should turn your whole body into it, and it should be lined up with your shoulders and pushing off the floor.
00:44:25.000You could fuck people up without doing that, though.
00:44:28.000There's guys that hit so hard, they can hit you with poor technique.
00:44:32.000All you need to do is go on YouTube and put in there cold cock and you're going to see the shittiest technique ever and people getting flatlined.
00:45:00.000Yeah, I didn't either, and I actually have some pretty severe concerns about how the later years of my life might potentially be, given my concussion history.
00:45:08.000I had an offer recently to get a brain scan, and I panicked.
00:45:37.000Got a figure and I had to wipe out I had to just kind of like go around her this way and the skis went up and hit the back of my head off the ground and I was fucked up I mean it was a hard hit that was I didn't go unconscious but I definitely got a concussion because I was dizzy for the rest of the day and and I had a hard time with my coordination like I I fell down trying to get on the ski lift and then I couldn't figure out how to get up properly like Like,
00:48:01.000Yeah, anytime there's a movement where weight from two guys is on the head, one of the guys from, I think it was Team Alpha Male, I've heard this happen more than once, where someone shoots for a takedown and the other guy gets a guillotine and falls back and And so as the guy drives forward with the takedown,
00:48:19.000his head hits first with both of their weight, and they paralyze.
00:48:23.000He broke his neck, and he's paralyzed from the neck down.
00:48:26.000I've heard that happen on more than one occasion from that exact specific move.
00:48:32.000The other guy, like, just goes with it.
00:48:36.000With the guillotine and, you know, gets the head to the side and all the weight of the head, all the weight of the two bodies hits the top of the head and it snaps the neck.
00:48:57.000Well, you know, anytime you hurt somebody in training, like, anytime, like, something happens and someone gets hurt, you're always thinking about that next time you're training.
00:49:05.000Like, whenever you're in a weird position, like a tangle of legs, and, you know, like, someone's knee explodes, like, every time you're in that situation afterwards, you're like, oh, shit.
00:51:47.000Yeah, and plus if you're waking up in the middle of the night still trying to figure out how somebody did that to you, you're like, oh that motherfucker, I'm going to get him next time.
00:51:59.000I find myself, like to this day, I'll be on the fucking air assault bike and I'll be doing those Tabata reps and I'll think about someone who tapped me because I was tired like 10 years ago.
00:52:12.000I think about this moment where I know I could have pulled out of a triangle, but I was just too fucking exhausted, and then I wound up getting tapped.
00:52:20.000I'm like, SHIT! They're just fucking...
00:53:42.000My memory might be off on this, but I think it had something to do with increasing cardiorespiratory capacity without doing long, slow distance.
00:54:28.000I mean, I know, well, I don't know, an incredibly high level ones, but I know people who can perform at that level and they're not going past like a 400 meter.
00:54:35.000Maybe at most some repeats of 800, like one on, one off.
00:54:39.000So when you would do Tabatas, like how many cycles of Tabata?
00:56:24.000And then in the third round you're questioning your life choices.
00:56:27.000There's a great kettlebell series by this guy Keith Weber, Kettlebell Cardio Extreme, and I would do this with either a 35-pound or a 45-pound kettlebell.
00:56:37.000And you pick up a 35-pound kettlebell, you're like, this is nothing.
00:59:01.000I think the workout took like six to eight minutes.
00:59:03.000And I had been around weights my entire adult life.
00:59:06.000And I'm talking to the point where you need a rappel harness to get onto the toilet because as you're squatting down, your legs give out and you're going to blast the bowl up.
00:59:15.000It's just like holding on to the door for dear life so you can actually not break the porcelain.
00:59:19.000Is that the best way to get strong or should you build up so that that never happens?
00:59:28.000You know the Pavel Totsilin method, the greasing the groove method?
00:59:33.000In his world, you never get to that point where you're that broken down.
00:59:48.000But if you're going to do it for optimum advancement.
00:59:50.000I would expose people very gradually and I would do a mix of that type of conditioning and pure strength because I can't think of a single downside to being strong.
00:59:59.000But you also need to have capacity as well.
01:00:01.000No, there's no downside to being strong, but you know, how do you feel about that?
01:00:06.000Like this school of thought, like the Pavel School of Thought is you never go to failure.
01:00:11.000You just give yourself much more time in between the repetitions.
01:00:15.000You do, like if you can do ten, you only do five, but then you do more sets.
01:00:20.000I don't have the knowledge or experience to even be able to comment on it.
01:00:23.000I mean, I messed around and when I owned the gym, it was a CrossFit gym and I was administering that type of coaching.
01:00:31.000So I don't have the knowledge base to be able to say.
01:00:34.000I know that when I changed my conditioning from...
01:00:38.000I think the heaviest I was was probably 225, and that's before I put on any of my ballerina gear.
01:00:44.000And then I got down to about 195 or maybe 200, but the lighter I got, the more capable I was.
01:00:51.000By changing the way that I trained, I actually got stronger and more capable, but I don't know, I don't have any experience outside of like genres of exercise beyond that, so I don't know.
01:01:02.000Yeah, there's so many different schools of thought in terms of like what's best for performance.
01:01:07.000What would you say is best for jiu-jitsu?
01:01:09.000What would you recommend for people with a strength training regimen?
01:01:11.000I think most people feel that kettlebells are one of the best modalities for strength and conditioning for jiu-jitsu.
01:01:20.000Kettlebells, chin-ups, and things along those lines because one of the things about kettlebells is that it forces your body to work as a unit, right?
01:01:30.000Like when you're doing things that aren't sexy, like Turkish get-ups are a perfect example.
01:01:34.000That is a phenomenal exercise for jiu-jitsu because it really does work your core, it really does work your shoulders, it really does work your legs, it works everything.
01:01:45.000Bench and tries it's not you know doing chest and biceps show muscles if you know yeah, it's It's not sexy and it's not fun either like when you're doing it.
01:01:56.000It's a it's a grueling Type of workout, but I think those and like gorilla cleans and Where you have like, you know, one in each side, clean press, squats and doing reverse, you know, lunges and then reverse,
01:02:12.000backward lunges and things where you're forcing yourself to balance out that weight while you're moving.
01:02:19.000I think those are probably some of the best exercises for Jiu Jitsu.
01:02:23.000And then another thing that's really good for jiu-jitsu is yoga.
01:02:28.000It really is because it forces you to be able to hold positions and breathe and control your body and control your breath in those positions and also you maintain flexibility and strength and in especially like around the joints surrounding and like you with your knee joints when you're standing on one leg balancing like You find it helps with recovery?
01:03:24.000He was one of a kind, for sure, though.
01:03:26.000It seems like they broke the mold with that guy a little bit.
01:03:28.000There was some natural talent built in there with also a benefit of having, you know, Gracie as your last name being born into that, but God damn.
01:08:36.000They would go different experience levels and it would alternate from, I mean, top position, bottom position, sweeps, escapes, submissions.
01:08:47.000And I'm glad I went into it with at least a little bit of experience so I could understand, A, what they're talking about and at least try it.
01:08:52.000But I would recommend anybody who's into jiu-jitsu go for sure.
01:09:24.000And there's room for a bunch of dudes that are sleeping in beds?
01:09:27.000Pete hooked us up because I had a good friend of mine and his girlfriend go out there, and I went out there with my girlfriend as well, so we had our own.
01:10:12.000Now, whether or not he made it to America, whether or not that's true, I think he's in an undisclosed location because they're worried about threats of violence from these truck drivers.
01:10:22.000I don't feel like what they're threatening is violence.
01:10:25.000Yeah, I haven't seen any threats of violence.
01:10:27.000But maybe they're privy to things that we don't know.
01:10:30.000I mean, I'm sure if you get a large enough group of people together, there's going to be some Wahoos in there, but...
01:10:36.000To me, and I'm not following it incredibly closely, it seems like people expressing their opinion on the situation that they're living through.
01:11:00.000Well, it's a strange time where people don't know exactly how to handle things and people have different strategies for handling things.
01:11:08.000And a lot of times when they want to implement these strategies, you know, they're doing so against the will of the people and they think they're doing it for the people's own good.
01:11:18.000And some people are not buying that shit, especially when it comes to Canada, which has been really rough in terms of like locking down businesses and Like, what's going on right now in Montreal?
01:12:27.000And then, you know, if you want to hit this conspiratorial angle, then, you know, you can put on your tinfoil hat and we can keep going.
01:12:34.000Because the people that are conspiratorial about this, and I don't subscribe to this, but I've listened to several compelling arguments in that way, that's where things get really—that'll keep you up at night.
01:12:48.000Yeah, the mandates and the lockdowns and people worried about— What's the theory about it?
01:12:52.000That eventually they're going to implement some sort of a social credit score system that goes along with vaccine passports and that these things are what they're angling towards and that by slowly, incrementally moving in this direction, they're going to apply these new methods to control the population.
01:13:25.000They can stop you from buying a train ticket.
01:13:28.000They can stop you from buying certain goods, like say maybe you want to buy a car.
01:13:32.000If your social credit does not align with what's acceptable in order for you to purchase it, it doesn't matter if you have the money to do so.
01:13:45.000I mean, this is not happening, nor is it suggested to happen in the United States.
01:13:50.000I'm just saying this is what happens in China.
01:13:52.000If you step out of line, if you protest some of the things the government's doing, if you speak openly and critically about certain aspects of society, they can...
01:14:16.000Because essentially the idea is that they'll be able to influence what you say and what you do because you won't want to get a hit on your social credit because that'll keep you from being able to go on vacation.
01:14:32.000It'll keep you from being able to buy a car.
01:14:34.000It'll keep you from being able to buy things.
01:14:36.000And one of the things that Yahoo had recently, there was an article on Yahoo, where they were talking about people allowing certain organizations, certain government organizations, access to your browser history.
01:14:50.000And the incentive would be maybe you could qualify for more credit if they had access to your browser history.
01:14:57.000First off, for people listening, the government has full access to your browser history.
01:15:02.000This is a piece I saw on Shepard Smith's show the other day.
01:15:09.000So I remember they talk about in here, which I guess we can play it if you want to.
01:15:13.000There is a way that if someone goes to CVS, their version of a pharmacy, and buys something that says they have a cough or they have a temperature, it goes through the system into their phone.
01:15:25.000A message pops up, which I think they sort of show here in a second.
01:15:28.000That says you can't continue to go places until you now have passed a COVID test that says you're negative.
01:15:35.000Oh wow, so they're tracking you through your activity.
01:15:38.000Because you bought Tylenol or you bought...
01:15:40.000Right, here's the stuff that pops up on their phone.
01:15:44.000And this was newer information than that other piece that came out like a year ago?
01:15:50.000It says, China scrambling to control COVID-19 outbreaks ahead of the Beijing Olympics, which kind of makes sense because they kind of have to do that.
01:16:00.000I don't know exactly what's going on in these videos, but this was part of this piece that popped up along with all the stuff they were talking about that day.
01:16:06.000Well, they have a lot of different methods to control their population.
01:18:12.000But now they're unwilling to change course because the fear of the pandemic may be one thing, but the fear of not being accepted by that party that they identify with.
01:19:08.000I'm a fan of people being able to do whatever the hell they want to do, but I also really appreciate people making informed decisions as opposed to just doing what they're told and not looking into it at all.
01:19:19.000Well, there's so many people that are wearing their masks, it's almost like they have them on as a chin strap, and yet they still have them on.
01:19:27.000They just kind of have them down here, and they're just wandering around.
01:19:31.000It's like we've kind of fallen into this weird zone of as long as you have it.
01:19:37.000I was in Vegas over New Year's at a jiu-jitsu camp.
01:21:13.000The real concern is that decisions that you make right now that you think are good short-term, you have to look at the consequences long-term.
01:21:22.000I remember there was a discussion during the Obama administration about the indefinite detention.
01:21:36.000It was – I forget what the act was that they were trying to pass.
01:21:41.000But this idea that they didn't necessarily need the same – the same protections of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were not going to apply if they could – Somehow or another decide that you were a target that was worthy.
01:22:03.000I forget what it was called, but what I do remember was that one of the things they were saying was that this is not something that we would ever use.
01:22:15.000I'm like, well, then why do you have it?
01:22:18.000Because if it's not something you would use, is this what it is?
01:22:29.000So the NDAA still allows indefinite detention of American citizens by the military, but President Obama says his administration won't use this power.
01:22:55.000I wonder, so that was signed in 2013. I wonder if it still continues today.
01:23:00.000So that was exactly, thanks for pulling that up, Jamie, the NDAA. So, but he said that his administration would not use this power, and put that back, please.
01:23:10.000The actual quote, I want to clarify that my administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens, Obama wrote.
01:23:21.000Indeed, I believe that doing so would break Our most important traditions and values as a nation so that The problem with that is If Obama didn't use it and wouldn't use it,
01:23:57.000All we would have to do is have like a real hot war on our hands in the United States like a real attack Chicago gets blown up and we could have a fucking We could have a crazy situation and that's when Our rights and our laws are critical.
01:24:15.000And having something like that, the NDAA freak people out, and having someone like Obama, which I don't think Obama would use that, but have him say, we would not use that.
01:25:23.000You're going to have terrorist attacks.
01:25:25.000And when we're looking at this gigantic world of resources and of conflicts and The idea of a time in the future where there's no war, no conflict, that's one of the most depressing things about being a person.
01:26:14.000The only thing that I think would save us is alien intervention.
01:26:18.000Or all the fucking nukes would fly instantly.
01:26:21.000As soon as that happened, we're all dead.
01:26:24.000Come back again in a hundred million years and see what what's left and what starts over again.
01:26:30.000Yeah The real scary thing is like if all the nukes flew it wouldn't just be all the people die It would be so much life dies that whatever is left the amount of time that it would take and To evolve back into a position where we could have advanced intelligent life again.
01:27:15.000And intelligent life is basically limited to the last couple of hundred thousand years.
01:27:21.000And out of that intelligent life is only one species that has the capability of space travel, you know, electronics, manipulating its environment.
01:27:34.000I mean, it could easily be that that one species didn't exist.
01:27:37.000There was that one, was it Indonesia, we've talked about this recently, where there was a super volcano eruption like 70,000 years ago that brought the entire human race down to a few thousand people.
01:28:46.000The explosion of the Toba Supervolcano, located on the modern island of Sumatra some 74,000 years ago, was Earth's largest volcanic eruption in the past 28 million years.
01:28:56.000Parts of Indonesia, India, and the Indian Ocean were covered by 15 centimeters, 6 inches of volcanic debris, an estimated 1,700 cubic miles of rock, a volume comparable to almost 3 million Empire State buildings erupted,
01:29:15.000forming a crater lake visible even from space.
01:29:20.000So that brought the entire human race down to a few thousand people.
01:29:25.000See if it says how many people in that article.
01:29:50.000Genetic evidence, there it is, indicates a collapse in human population around 74,000 years ago with all modern humans descending from a few thousand survivors.
01:29:59.000According to the Toba catastrophe theory, most humans in Europe and Asia didn't make it.
01:30:21.000Sounds like it was so long ago that nobody has a goddamn idea.
01:30:24.000But they do know that that super volcano did erupt and they do know that it almost wiped out the entire race And if that if that happened and it did kill everybody there'd be no people here So imagine all the shit that we have this is a blink of an eye ago 74,000 years ago in terms of the entire history of the earth that didn't have to happen So if we do nuke each other this might be it like for all intelligent life ever That could be it.
01:32:10.000And I think that when you're hearing it from people that are losing the information, attention game...
01:32:18.000People like CNN, when they're calling for other networks or other shows or other programs to be censored or other programs to be limited, it's like, just do better.
01:32:32.000You guys should be better at what you're doing.
01:32:34.000More people should be paying attention to you than are.
01:34:29.000Whenever I do a podcast with three people, it's hard.
01:34:32.000If it was you and one other guy there, it's difficult to get a flow.
01:34:36.000Because, like, I know when you're about to say something and I back off and, you know, I'm listening to you and then I talk and we're trying to, like, dance.
01:34:43.000When there's three people, it's harder to dance.
01:34:45.000When there's four people that you don't even know and you know you have this limited amount of time, it's like...
01:34:50.000And people have these, like, planned out rants that they want to go on and it's like...
01:35:28.000There's quite a few of these guys that are like really highly educated doctors that have differing perspectives, but they're more fact-based than narrative-based.
01:35:40.000Because there's some certain people...
01:35:43.000They follow whatever the projected narrative is, like whatever the government's projecting, whatever the CDC's projecting, the World Health Organization.
01:35:52.000They're saying exactly what those people are saying, even when those things turn out to be incorrect, right?
01:35:58.000Oh, and then they seem to be unwilling to...
01:36:03.000Again, it's people are afraid of not being able to identify with whatever their tribe may be.
01:36:06.000That's a problem with people too with these networks is that they don't seem human because they don't admit when they're wrong and they don't admit when they're disseminating propaganda or where they're just bullshitting.
01:36:20.000Like with me with that whole horse dewormer thing.
01:36:22.000I like the filter that they put on you, though.
01:37:12.000Well, it's part of the problem, too, because if you consistently tell people that what they're seeing is not what they're seeing and what they're hearing is not what they're hearing.
01:37:21.000So if you knew somebody, a friend of yours, who...
01:37:24.000Consistently just told you that, no, your eyes are wrong and your ears are wrong.
01:37:27.000How long would it be before you completely tuned that person out?
01:37:30.000And that's, I think, a lot of what's happening with both sides.
01:37:34.000I mean, I try to stay out of left and right arguments because I don't know if I've ever felt less represented by the representatives of our government right now.
01:37:42.000I'm fucking lost in this middle ground.
01:37:44.000It's like, can I have a little bit on this side and also...
01:39:46.000Some commissions will let you tape your ankles, some won't.
01:39:50.000There's all sorts of different rules when it comes to MMA, unfortunately.
01:39:53.000There's the unified rules of MMA, there's the changed unified rules that they've changed some of the parameters, like what constitutes a downed opponent, and then some places will let you tape your ankles, some places won't.
01:40:44.000I mean, it's like halfway up his thigh and halfway down to his ankle.
01:40:50.000Dude, when Francis picked up that guy mid-kick and they both left the ground and he came down, all I could think of in my head while watching that was imagining, like in a cartoon, the ghost of my body just floating up.
01:42:57.000I mean, you also have to take into consideration what kind of an impact did that have on his training in terms of his cardio, like his cardio output?
01:43:55.000I mean, I don't want to see him box because I don't love seeing him fight in MMA. I love seeing him fight in MMA. But I want to see him box because I want to see him get a giant chunk of money.
01:44:05.000Like Conor McGregor-style Floyd Mayweather chunk of money.
01:44:08.000Because when Conor fought Floyd Mayweather, he made $100 million.
01:44:13.000I don't believe that's bad for an evening's work.
01:44:35.000I mean, obviously, it would have to be very marketable, and Tyson Fury's very marketable, and Francis Ngannou's very marketable, especially him as a UFC heavyweight champion going up to fight in boxing.
01:44:48.000And it would be weird to see Tyson Fury like a legit five inches taller than Francis Ngannou, because that's what he would be.
01:47:17.000I have that tactical asshole page and he's just the cashmere cunt because he's always out there in a cashmere shirt shooting a fucking pistol carbine, which again is like an MP5. Right.
01:48:51.000I mean, the only thing you can really tell on the videos is how, you know, stance, grip, how you're managing your reach coil, and how you're controlling your trigger.
01:49:13.000The number one tool to get somebody to unwind on a pistol range is that fucking shot timer.
01:49:18.000I have watched guys who are so incredibly competent shooting, and you get them into a competition setting, and they're just putting magazines and their pistols backwards, which is amazing.
01:51:48.000When I practice or if I were ever to draw down, I am expecting to be looking at the iron sights because if I can line that up appropriately, the red dot is going to be right there.
01:52:06.000In my experience, they can make people a little bit snappy and they can start anticipating the shot because it's just that red dot right there.
01:52:33.000That would be, especially when it comes to long distance marksmanship, like you're behind a sniper rifle and you want to make a really long shot.
01:52:46.000If it's between me and you, I'm not going to line, like if we're this distance, I'm not even going to bother aiming.
01:52:52.000I'm going to point my thumbs at you and pull the trigger as many times until the target or the threat is no longer a threat.
01:52:57.000So in theory, yes, but the situation is going to dictate how much You're actually going to need to do that in practice.
01:53:04.000But in learning it, that should always be the way that you practice it because then you can increase your speed with that.
01:53:09.000And then it'll allow you to, as you try to go faster and faster or the targets are closer and closer, you can deviate from that just a little bit.
01:53:17.000I mean, you don't need a surprise break for something that's three to five yards away.
01:55:30.000For the last year, I don't know if you guys felt this down here, the ammo shortage was real.
01:55:34.000I would go to the sporting goods stores, and there were people in line to buy like 9 mil at 7 o'clock in the morning.
01:55:41.000Do you think that is because so many people were buying ammo that the ammo manufacturers just couldn't keep up because of the pandemic?
01:55:48.000Because people really did freak out during the protests and the riots.
01:55:52.000I think it was just like toilet paper.
01:55:53.000I think there was always enough stuff around to wipe your ass with, but when somebody goes to Costco and buys a semi-truck full, It limits the amount that everybody else can get.
01:56:01.000So if everybody had bought perhaps a reasonable amount, which is what happened where I live is they started limiting how many boxes you could buy because people would just come in and they're just sweeping into a cart.
01:56:19.000So if there's new gun owners, they're going to be buying more ammunition.
01:56:22.000But I think the scarcity was largely artificial just due to people wildly buying Probably too much.
01:56:28.000Well, I remember during the lockdowns when there was giant lines outside the gun stores in LA. I was like, wow.
01:56:36.000Driving by and seeing a long line outside of a gun store was so bizarre.
01:56:41.000And was spooky to people because all these people that are used to driving by that gun store and seeing nothing, and now it sort of signals to you, shit, maybe I should get in there and get a gun.
01:57:03.000But again, people make a choice on that.
01:57:04.000But the ammo shortage will make people not want to train.
01:57:08.000And you can actually do the vast majority of the training without actually firing around.
01:57:12.000For people who conceal carry, indexing, clearing fabric out of the way, practicing your draw, everything, the execution magazine changes.
01:57:19.000You can have an awesome day of training.
01:57:21.000And obviously, it depends on the experience level that you have.
01:57:25.000I could do like an hour's training and actually get a lot out of it somewhere between 20 to 30 rounds.
01:57:31.000Because I can do a lot of it dry fire, or what I'll do is I'll do one round in each magazine if I'm working manipulation or reloads, so I'm not shooting an entire magazine full.
01:57:41.000I'm focusing on the actual motor skills themselves.
01:57:44.000So there's ways you can get around it, but people are like, oh, I don't have ammo, I can't train.
01:59:14.000But what was interesting about that is you're shooting a real arrow at a real target, and it shows you the actual impact point.
01:59:23.000Terran Tactical has this laser setup thing where you have a screen and you have a gun that feels like a real gun, but there's obviously no recoil, but when you're looking through the sights, it has iron sights, and when you're looking through the sights and you peel off, it registers on the screen.
02:00:20.000I mean, I don't have the words to describe that.
02:00:24.000That is the, in my opinion, which counts for absolutely nothing, Videos like that are why people will go on crusades to try to strip the Second Amendment or limit people's ability to own a gun.
02:00:38.000That is completely and utterly irresponsible usage of that tool, in my opinion, which, like I said, doesn't count for shit.
02:00:45.000He said, I think that the other guy pulled the gun first.
02:03:50.000Authorities said 11 shots were fired, but no injuries were reported.
02:03:54.000When they call it stand your ground, whether you call it self-defense, he said, Mr. Popper is not only not guilty, he is innocent and justified, said his attorney.
02:04:08.000From the perspective of the video, right, so 11 shots fired, like there's so much stuff going on in that video, like backdrop as an example.
02:04:16.000For the rounds that didn't hit the other dude's car...
02:05:00.000Discharging a firearm like that on the road, you're out of your fucking mind.
02:05:04.000And that is exactly the type of video that people will point to to try to strip those things away.
02:05:08.000And having a round in the chamber, opinions may vary on this.
02:05:13.000I would say if you're going to carry a gun and you don't feel comfortable having a round in the chamber, you may want to consider not carrying.
02:05:22.000An unloaded gun has the same effective distance as a claw hammer.
02:05:26.000And gross motor skills, very often are going to be the first things that degrade in a violent confrontation.
02:05:32.000So depending on how you have it carried, let's say you're an appendix carrier, you're going to have to get that thing out, load a round into the chamber, and then index your target.
02:05:40.000There's a lot of steps involved in that.
02:05:43.000Guns don't just actively – they don't just go off on their own.
02:05:46.000So to me, when people are not comfortable with carrying with a round in the chamber, oftentimes it's It's oftentimes based in kind of a lack of understanding of how a firearm actually functions.
02:05:59.000When you're shooting through a windshield like that, how much of the impact...
02:06:05.000How much of the kinetic energy bleeds off?
02:06:48.000They're a tool designed to take life though.
02:06:50.000And people get really, really twitchy when you define them like that because they feel like if you say that, then that somehow creates an argument for restricting them.
02:07:00.000And I think it's a disingenuous thing to say.
02:07:02.000They are a tool that is designed to take life.
02:07:05.000It can be used to preserve and save life for sure, but they should be treated like that tool.
02:07:10.000And that to me is like as irresponsible as it gets.
02:07:15.000But there's another video that I saw once where a similar situation happens on a highway and it's a similar angle.
02:07:23.000And this guy is on a highway and there's someone in the passenger seat next to him and he just starts shooting through his windshield at this car on the highway.
02:07:31.000And you see the guy in the passenger seat like freaking the fuck out because this dude is just unloading through his windshield.
02:11:11.000Well, I'm sure it was happening to a small degree before then, but it kind of exploded afterwards, I would say.
02:11:17.000Maybe with the creation of multicam, the pattern that many people will wear on everything from flip-flops to hats to backpacks to Speedos, shorts, shirts, fill in the blank.
02:11:28.000And so once people started wearing it like as fashion, was camo worn as fashion before 9-11?
02:16:32.000I love animals, but I had a cat that I raised, and he was feral.
02:16:36.000Like, my friend Lainey and her boyfriend had found these cats under an apartment building, and she was trying to give the kittens a home, and this fucking cat was wild as shit.
02:16:47.000It was a little baby, and when I would pick it up, it would purr, but as soon as I put it down, it'd be like...
02:17:29.000So he realized I was trying to get him in a cage, and he's like, like fighting with me and shit.
02:17:34.000So I eventually had to corner him in a bathroom, and then I had to throw a bathrobe over him, and like a towel or a bathrobe, I forget what it was, but something big over him, scoop him up, In this and wrestle him into a hamper.
02:17:49.000Then I got him in a hamper and I duct taped the hamper shut.
02:17:52.000And then I took the hamper with this fucking cat, this feral cat, to this veterinarian who was a friend of mine.
02:17:59.000And he fixed the cat and then we brought him back.
02:18:02.000Was he better after you brought him back?
02:23:30.000You're a SEAL. I'm not a SEAL. I was a SEAL. You was a SEAL. So once you stop being a SEAL, you're like, no more?
02:23:37.000Most team guys that I know, Jocko being an exception because he loves to surf and he lives near the water, most guys are not going to voluntarily go into a substance they abused you with for decades.
02:25:02.000They're breathing water, and the gills are processing it and turning it into air.
02:25:06.000But it's just this idea that we're living in this world where three-quarters of it is completely covered in water, and we don't go in there.
02:25:16.000But what we do do is we take these little boats, and we bring them out onto that water, and they float around out there, and then they suck all the fish out in giant nets.
02:26:14.000Especially where those crabs are, even just in places where tides, rip currents, swells.
02:26:22.000We did cold weather training up in Kodiak, Alaska.
02:26:26.000That was actually one of the first trips that I had done when I checked into my first team.
02:26:29.000And They do OTB or OTH, so over the beach where you come in in zodiacs and swim in and climb up.
02:26:36.000Or OTH, you drive out over the horizon to practice navigation in a fucking dry suit in the Arctic Ocean, which I'm not actually sure it's in the Arctic Ocean, but it feels like it.
02:26:45.000And then you come back in and then you swim across and then you climb up.
02:27:06.000Eh, maybe it gets right too about that.
02:27:08.000Yeah, because there are places where salt water does freeze up, obviously, which is why you have the polar ice caps and why you have all those ice sheets.
02:27:18.000I know it's cold enough to give you an ice cream headache and you immediately know whether or not the zippers are done correctly on your dry suit.
02:27:30.000He was up there I think for like 10 years.
02:27:31.000He was running the Kodiak cold weather facility, which is phenomenal training, but it definitely gives you an appreciation for how little the environment gives a fuck about you or your survival.
02:27:43.000I think you're usable without a dry suit or a survival suit.
02:27:45.000I think your usable time of consciousness is under 20 minutes if you go into that water.
02:29:31.000It wasn't the most fun, but one thing I will tell you is that when it will it would have been more fun if we actually got a deer But what was really amazing was when we came back and we came back to California the Sun Just the everyday normal son of LA hitting my face felt fucking amazing It felt so good.
02:32:39.000They have these ideas in their head that if they had these objects and these things and at least they could show on paper that they're successful, it'll make them feel good.
02:32:49.000And I think kids are really fucked up today looking at Instagram.
02:32:53.000Instagram and TikTok and social media where they're seeing these people live these baller lifestyles and they look at that and that's the goal.
02:33:00.000The ultimate goal is to have a Bugatti.
02:33:01.000But are they actually living that baller lifestyle too?
02:34:31.000Out of all the ways that they could have tried to figure that out, like looking over your shoulder, being sneaky, just hand you the device and pretend like nothing's going on.
02:35:04.000Oh, so that means they're scanning kids without their knowledge, like, randomly?
02:35:08.000Well, that's to make sure they're not playing, but then the kids know that's happening.
02:35:11.000It's to make sure they're not playing.
02:35:13.000But that kind of crazy government overreach is so bizarre.
02:35:16.000Did you hear about the app they're giving people in Beijing for the Olympics?
02:35:20.000Yeah, they're giving them this app to use during the Olympics, but this app is listening to every fucking thing you say, everything you do.
02:36:21.000I think our real problem is if people start saying the only way we can compete with China is if we have the same sort of restrictions on our citizens that China has.
02:36:31.000If we have the same ability to monitor our citizens.
02:36:33.000If we have the same ability to implement laws the way China does.
02:36:39.000Because one of the things that China's done that's so brilliant.
02:36:41.000I'm not saying that we should do it, but it is brilliant.
02:36:43.000How they've got this connection between their business and their government that's inescapable.
02:36:49.000You cannot make these big corporate decisions, whether you're Huawei or one of these big tech companies.
02:36:54.000They work, you know, fucking hand in glove with the government.
02:36:59.000And because of that, they make these decisions not based on short-term interest of the corporation in terms of, like, stakeholders and, you know, what the shareholders want and profits for the quarter.
02:37:13.000They're looking at it in this long-term commitment, like, what's going to be best for the party?
02:37:18.000Economically, I mean, I guess I can understand that I worry a lot about quality of life.
02:38:13.000Yeah, I don't recommend that at all for the United States.
02:38:14.000It's terrible in terms of creativity and innovation and the ability to have a dream and an idea and implement it and then become successful.
02:38:23.000One of the things that we love about America is entrepreneurial spirit.
02:38:30.000Like Origin, we're talking about Jocko's company or...
02:38:32.000Or anything else like someone can create a company and make something and put it together and you know, that's one of the things that's Beautiful about freedom is you have the ability to take a chance to do something that you you have a dream You can put it together and make it happen That's we all love that and when you take that away you take away people's ability to take a chance and take people's Take away people's ability to do what they want and instead you have to do what the government wants and As
02:39:03.000soon as you do that, you close the door on so much innovation.
02:39:08.000You close the door on so many opportunities that you would have never predicted, right?
02:39:13.000Because who knows how many ideas that have been implemented here because people have this wild spirit of like being creative and taking chances.
02:39:25.000It would have never happened if the same person grew up under a regime like the CCP. I do worry though that people are becoming resistant to taking chances and being risky like that or getting off of the couch if you want to describe it that way.
02:39:41.000So they'll value that less and the incremental – again, you want to put the tinfoil hat on.
02:39:46.000The incremental removing of those opportunities or ability to make those decisions, they won't even realize what is lost because they don't value it because they never actually took a fucking chance.
02:40:11.000I think there's enough, but I think they're in the minority.
02:40:13.000I think talking about it like this and having conversations with people who do take chances makes taking chances exciting to the people that are listening.
02:40:22.000I think part of the problem is they don't have enough to model.
02:40:25.000There's not enough people out there that are taking chances where someone could model that and go, that's what I want to do.
02:40:35.000If you grew up in a family where no one takes any chances and everybody just takes the safest, easiest job they can have with the least amount of risk and the most amount of security, and they live this dull, gray life, like, blah,
02:41:33.000I think it's the most valuable thing that this country may have to offer, but it doesn't mean a fucking thing if you don't take advantage of it.
02:42:29.000But they also didn't stop me They signed the paperwork when I was 17, did all that.
02:42:35.000But for my kids, to try not to limit them in any way and just to provide space to make choices, obviously boundaried, right?
02:42:44.000I'm not going to let them take some wild haphazard risk and not be there as a safety net.
02:42:48.000But the last thing that I want to do is feel like I'm trying to fit them into that ashtray.
02:42:54.000Like, this is what I did, so you have to do that.
02:42:56.000I want them to have the exact opposite experience of that.
02:42:59.000Well, that's often what happens with people, right?
02:43:02.000They take great chances and risks in their life, and they do these scary, dangerous things for a living, and the last thing they want is their kids to do that.
02:43:10.000Like, a lot of fighters never want their kids to become fighters.
02:43:55.000I'm largely renowned as an idiot, so you don't have to listen to anything that I have to say.
02:43:59.000But I think the reasoning for going into Afghanistan, Looking in the rearview mirror was far more legitimate than the reasoning to go into Iraq.
02:44:09.000I don't know if we solved any problems in either of those countries, especially with how we left Afghanistan and kind of more – that's more how we're going to be viewed by the rest of the world and potential future partner forces and stuff like that.
02:44:41.000One, people want to blame it all on Biden, which...
02:44:45.000Is fair to a degree, but also unfair to a larger degree.
02:44:49.000He was sitting in the seat at the time the decisions were made, so he has to own those and the consequences that come from him.
02:44:54.000But the decision to withdraw or draw down from Afghanistan started probably in the Obama administration into the Trump administration, and he inherited that.
02:45:02.000So it's not as if his administration was solely responsible for the planning of that.
02:45:06.000Again, he was in the seat, and when you're in the seat and shit starts going south, Change the fucking plan to match the reality on the ground as opposed to what you think the pie in the sky is going to be because your enemy gets a vote in any plan or even in the business world, right?
02:45:42.000In my experience with the people that I served with, not a single person that I served with or that I know that served over there is surprised by what happened.
02:45:51.000And by that, I mean the Taliban taking over.
02:45:53.000Many are surprised to include myself at the pace with which it happened.
02:45:57.000But if you served in that country and you served alongside of that partner force, if you tell me that you were surprised by what happened I would say that you might have a loose relationship with the truth because the writing was on the wall for a very long period of time and I think we stayed far too long.
02:46:16.000Were you surprised that they gave up all the equipment?
02:46:21.000I don't know if that was a mechanism of this is the date that we have to be out of here and everybody ignored that date until it was too late.
02:46:30.000The United States, the military is great at being – at least in the modern era, it's great at being surgical.
02:46:35.000We went to Afghanistan to try to root out the people that – Planned and executed 9-11.
02:46:40.000And we did so within, I'll call it at a very long stretch, 24 months.
02:46:47.000I would say the longer that we were there, the more equipment and material that goes with that.
02:46:51.000We started building outstations and every out, you know what I mean?
02:46:54.000So like the more pieces that you put on the board, it doesn't surprise me that that volume of stuff Was left and to me that's more it just shows you know Either they weren't really paying attention that we needed to draw down or there was so much stuff stuff there that they didn't know what to do with it But the Taliban is the best Armed and equipped that they've ever been in the history of the Taliban for sure which is so fucked Yeah,
02:47:16.000it's so fucked to watch them drive down the street in the Humvees and flying the Blackhawks like what?
02:47:22.000Yeah Well, it may not be them flying the Blackhawks.
02:47:25.000Let's just say politely that there are other countries, entities, and organizations that don't really favor the United States and would do everything they could to be on the axis of whatever we're doing that will send mobile training teams over there that could fly on those things, you know, the day that we left them.
02:49:10.000So the third podcast I had ever been on, mind you, I had not listened to a podcast.
02:49:14.000The first time that you and I sat down, I may have changed some of my answers.
02:49:19.000I had no understanding of the size of your audience or what was going to come out of my mouth.
02:49:23.000I needed to probably refine the thought expression of certain things.
02:49:29.000It was your suggestion to start a podcast.
02:49:33.000And my theory, even in the military or just growing up, is maybe listen to the person in the room who has the most experience or who is the most successful.
02:49:41.000It doesn't mean they're going to be 100% right, but if somebody is saying, hey, I've done this for a long time and maybe you should check it out, it'd be worth considering.
02:49:49.000So I had absolutely no idea what it was going to be, what I was going to talk about, how I was going to do it, but I took your advice and I started.
02:49:57.000Never thought for a second that it was going to be a profession or an occupation of any kind.
02:50:07.000First off, I truly believe that the thing like I'm not excited by the stuff that I do, but I'm fascinated by the stuff that other people do.
02:50:27.000You know, a buddy of mine is like telling stories about drug-addicted parents and he's like running through the fucking desert barefoot to try to get to his grandparents' house just to feel happy or safe.
02:50:39.000Like, calling my parents like, thank you very much for who you are.
02:50:42.000Like, I'm sorry for anything that I ever did.
02:50:44.000I am an unworthy piece of shit of the love that you have provided.
02:50:47.000But it's been amazing and the financial aspect of it came way later on but it is by far the favorite thing that I do because I get to sit down and talk to people about what they are passionate about and it informs my opinion on things and it changes my mind on stuff and I just think it's awesome to be able to sit there and have an exchange and have a dialogue.
02:51:08.000It's more than I ever thought it could be.
02:51:10.000It's an unexpected education for sure, right?
02:51:13.000It's like it gives you an education on things in a way that you're hard-pressed to find anywhere else.
02:51:20.000I mean, I think back on my podcast and obviously a lot of them are filled with nonsense and just smoking pot and getting drunk and talking shit, but there's been more than a thousand of them that aren't like that.
02:51:31.000So it's like a thousand times I sat down with an expert for hours and got to pick their brain and ask them questions about whatever their field was and expand my knowledge Just understanding of different things in life,
02:53:55.000I think that's why you were able to do it.
02:53:57.000I mean, I can't speak for you, but I would imagine that you tried to stay true to who you were and explored things that were interesting for you.
02:54:13.000It is not what, like you're saying, I would push back and I would say that There aren't limited options for people getting out of the military.
02:54:20.000It's easy for people getting out of the military to say that there are limited options.
02:54:26.000But I don't care what you do in the military.
02:54:28.000You are going to leave with skill sets and an understanding of things like discipline, teamwork, integrity, communication, to name just a few of the many usable tools that you can put into your virtual tool belt.
02:54:44.000Do they give you guidance in terms of having the ability to take those tools and utilize them outside of the military?
02:54:58.000Well, the military has – basic training is about eight weeks long.
02:55:02.000But on average, it is in the Navy at least unless they've changed it.
02:55:05.000I think that the Marine Corps is the longest.
02:55:07.000When I got out of the military, there was a one-week course called TAPS, the Transition Assistance Program, and I'm not sure what the S stands for.
02:55:15.000And it was about how to submit for your VA ratings.
02:55:17.000It's about the educational opportunities.
02:55:20.000None of the classes are about what you're asking.
02:55:22.000So they spend a lot of energy, which they have to because we have a very, in my opinion at least, me-based society and they break you of that and put you into a we-based ecosystem.
02:55:33.000But on the way out, For the people who are smart, they'll give themselves about 12 months and they'll really focus on the next horizon.
02:55:42.000But I know people who don't even start thinking about it until they're a week from getting out and they go to the TAPS program.
02:55:48.000But again, I mean, whose fault is that?
02:55:50.000You have to take some ownership of the course that your life is going to take.
02:55:56.000Yes, it can be jarring to lose a sense of camaraderie or community.
02:56:01.000And yes, you can feel isolated because you're no longer with your tribe and the job is totally different.
02:56:07.000And in the same breath, like fucking get over it.
02:56:43.000That's often the case with anybody when they're leaving one career and going into another career.
02:56:47.000But it seems like with military, it's so demanding, especially like in your line of work, it's so demanding, so all-encompassing, that sometimes it's very difficult when they get out to try to find a new, almost like a new identity.
02:57:05.000Yeah, and the military is very task-oriented, so you get used to having problems that's presented to you.
02:57:11.000Like, here's our training block, which a training command will set up for you, and you show up, and it's like, here's your gear list, here's what we're doing today, and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
02:57:20.000Somebody's providing for that for you.
02:57:22.000They're looking at the trajectory of, here's 18 months of training that you're going to go through, and you're not going to facilitate it, and at the end, you're going to go on deployment, and it's...
02:57:31.000It's hard, and I say this from personal experience, when you leave that being presented with tasks that you have to go out and find them.
02:57:39.000And I mean, shit, I've reinvented myself out of the military.
02:57:43.000Like I said, I worked for CrossFit for a bit.
02:57:45.000I threw my hat in the ring to be a professional skydiver and base jumper.
02:57:49.000I flew corporate aircraft for almost two years, the public speaking thing.
03:00:31.000Post-traumatic stress, which I don't believe is a disorder and I think we should focus far more on post-traumatic growth as opposed to post-traumatic stress because you can navigate that and come out of it stronger.
03:00:40.000The math supports that specifically in the civilian world even more so than in the military world but there's a fucked up financial incentive in the military veteran world to actually not get better because they could potentially reduce your rating from the VA which reduces the amount of money that you get.
03:00:55.000So the whole point in saying all that is it's very possible to be a better version of yourself from those experiences but nobody is going to do it for you.
03:01:06.000It's not that it's easy but it's totally possible.
03:01:10.000I think they should be held to a higher standard than other people because they come out of that environment where they have those tools.
03:01:16.000They have those experiences and I don't care what you do in the military.
03:01:19.000You know, the emphasis they place on the same thing, you know, teamwork, integrity, communication, all that stuff, discipline, it's more than what I have seen being taught anywhere at any traditional school.