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00:00:49.000You took the logical progression from being, you know, a stand-up comedian, an MMA analyst, to bringing down the entire regime in the United States of America.
00:01:14.000All those, like, all the crazy Antifa people that want to burn it all down, like, we've got to destroy democracy, like, and replace it with what?
00:02:16.000It's going to be really disappointing when she destroys Western civilization and then finds out people still make fun of her for being fat.
00:02:59.000For everything about your life, all aspects of your life, you'd be happier, your hormones would work better, your whole endocrine system would function more fluidly, your heart would work better, you'd feel better.
00:03:13.000Somewhere along the line in this country, we became allergic to harsh truths.
00:03:20.000Anything that just is like, look, this is the truth, but it's probably not going to make you feel warm and mushy to hear this.
00:04:40.000To say that I demand that everybody else also does not fit into the norms, which the vast majority of human beings, like the vast, vast, vast majority, consider themselves to be one of these two genders.
00:05:51.000It's, you know, it's like the reason, though, why all of this, like, woke insanity is so pushed by all of the big corporations and by the media and, like, all this stuff is because doesn't it just serve as the perfect distraction?
00:06:02.000Like, while everything's crumbling and there's so many real things, like, the 20th century for the United States of America has been a disaster thus far.
00:06:12.000Like, coming from being the most powerful country in the world, coming out of, say, like, the 90s to...
00:06:31.000And they're like, what we really need to talk about, what we need to focus on, is that this woman said she loves being a woman the other day, and I find that very problematic.
00:06:39.000If you're like one of these big corporations or some hedge fund manager or something, I'm just saying it's awfully convenient.
00:06:50.000It does keep you from concentrating on it.
00:06:52.000And one of the things that I was talking about last night.
00:06:54.000And the thing is that to actually think about that, number one, it requires you to actually think.
00:07:00.000It requires you actually, you know, watch something or read something and know what's going on.
00:07:05.000Then it also might require that you reflect on yourself and what role you play in all of this.
00:07:10.000You're like, I'm quite happy to ignore that and just have my new cool phone.
00:07:13.000Whereas just being outraged about someone saying a word you don't think they're supposed to say, that's easy.
00:07:18.000It takes no sacrifice, no introspection, nothing.
00:07:22.000People just focus on that, but we have an unbelievable problem in this culture with our hierarchy of outrage.
00:07:30.000It's not that even some things maybe aren't wrong or you shouldn't be upset about them, but where does this rank in terms of other outrages?
00:08:09.000God bless the geniuses on the internet.
00:08:11.000Well, when you step out and you say something silly and he said something silly.
00:08:16.000Well, that's the thing, though, is that it's like...
00:08:21.000It's an interesting thing also because you have so much support, so many people love you, that now you have all these people out there and it's like, so what do you guys want to do here?
00:09:41.000But something happens to a lot of people when they get a lot of attention where they start to lean towards the things that get them the most attention or lean towards the things they feel like get them the most support or they start to react to the reactions of other people.
00:09:56.000They become different than who they really are.
00:09:59.000And one of the things is they lose their ability to have a charitable take on things.
00:10:03.000They lose their ability to be compassionate for other people, and they start looking at things very ideologically, very dogmatically, and they start falling into these traps.
00:10:15.000And you'll see it with right-wing people, you see it with left-wing people, and they get Somehow or another, they feel like their emotions and outrage and yelling and being insulting, it enhances what they're saying.
00:11:20.000It's so sad like it's like people are looking But that's also why it doesn't it's not very effective and it's not very popular like it's kind of popular with some casuals But it loses support because if people don't feel you're sincere if they don't you can be wrong But you have to be honest like you who are you like who I don't I want to know who you are I don't mind flawed people every fucking person I love dearly is flawed all of them I like flawed people I don't mind flaws,
00:11:48.000but I want to know what you're thinking.
00:11:49.000Like, why are you thinking what you're thinking?
00:11:51.000Are you thinking what you're thinking because you've thought it out?
00:11:53.000Is it your opinion today and tomorrow you might come along and go, you know what?
00:11:57.000I thought about what I said, and now I think differently because this, that, and the other.
00:12:01.000Now I like even more, because now I know I can trust you to course correct.
00:12:07.000I can trust you to be honest about your missteps or why you're thinking a way that upon further consideration you revised your opinion.
00:12:16.000But if I think you're bullshitting me, if I think you're doing something because you're just trying to get attention, Fuck all the way off.
00:12:25.000So I think you just hit on like exactly really the essence of why you're so big and the essence of why the corporate press hates you so much is that you have this connection with your audience where they know it's not like your audience Thinks you're right about everything.
00:15:27.000Like, okay, show me the comorbidities.
00:15:31.000They're not going to show you any of the data that is actually relevant.
00:15:33.000They're not going to break it down in a meaningful way.
00:15:35.000But I just think that somewhere along the lines in this country, now that we have the opportunity to, because of the internet and podcasts and things like this, and because Guys like Brian Stelter at CNN, these guys have been so, in the 21st century alone, so catastrophically wrong about so many important things,
00:15:53.000like so many, that nobody trusts them anymore.
00:15:56.000They smell that this is phony, and they don't want that.
00:16:01.000I don't think intentionally, but I think just because it's your nature, what you kind of figured out is that people were really craving just an authentic conversation.
00:16:11.000Where people can be flawed and people can just talk about, you know, things that matter and talk about them from a real perspective and just have a conversation.
00:16:19.000I'm not putting on a show for you here.
00:16:21.000I'm not going, hello everybody and welcome to the Joe Rogan podcast today and this blah blah blah.
00:16:55.000And the idea that they would have the nerve The nerve to accuse you of spreading disinformation.
00:17:04.000As they've been pushing this war propaganda between Russia and Ukraine, what's so weird that I haven't seen come up is that Vladimir Putin had bounties On the heads of US soldiers in Afghanistan.
00:17:54.000And we know that now because there's been like five whistleblowers from the OPCW. That have come out and explained that all of the evidence pointed toward that it wasn't Assad who gassed his own people.
00:18:07.000And I mean, Libya, they said Gaddafi was about to go genocidal against his own people.
00:18:25.000Hundreds of thousands of people have died as a result of the lies.
00:18:29.000So not just spreading misinformation, misinformation with catastrophic consequences where like real human beings have had their lives ruined and then you would be behind that whole apparatus and have the nerve to accuse somebody else of spreading misinformation when they spread misinformation about you.
00:18:49.000Specifically about me and they sent their doctor in here and all he could say when you confronted him on that was like Yeah, no, I guess they shouldn't have said that and then turns around goes back on CNN and goes yeah No, we never lied about that like people see that totally say that he that's actually kind of a Confusing thing you could look at that out of context and I think Sanjay Gupta is a good man what happened was He was talking to Don Lemon,
00:19:16.000and Don Lemon said that it is true that these drugs are used in whatever, I'm paraphrasing, in a veterinary application.
00:19:26.000And then he said, yes it is, and then he wanted to keep talking, so it's not a lie, but Don Lemon would talk over him.
00:19:35.000He's doing the thing remotely, and if you've never experienced this before, what happens is you put an ear thing in, and it's like if Dave and I were in another city and we were doing a show remotely like on CNN, he would talk to me and there would be a slight delay, and then I would hear him and I would talk to him.
00:20:55.000Not everybody has that kind of ability to confront things, especially when you're dealing with an enormous structure like CNN that is overbearing.
00:21:07.000And you're talking to a guy like Don Lemon, who's a big personality, who's like the...
00:22:21.000He had something about her, I didn't even know that she had said, that's so outrageous.
00:22:27.000And he said, don't forget that this is the same woman that said this just a couple months ago about unvaccinated people.
00:22:33.000Like some ridiculous quote about unvaccinated people.
00:22:35.000By the way, which many of them have had COVID. Many of these unvaccinated people like myself and like my friend Dave Smith, we've had COVID. And the CDC has finally come out and said that if you have had COVID, You have better protection from Delta by something like 6X. Which usually when the CDC comes out and says this,
00:22:58.000it's what anyone paying attention has known for a very long time.
00:23:01.000But yes, they are finally admitting now that what all of the studies have indicated, that natural immunity is substantially stronger.
00:23:08.000Not like a little bit stronger, much stronger, much longer lasting.
00:23:12.000It's just in every way the best protection you can have.
00:23:16.000Yeah, I mean, I wish that wasn't controversial.
00:24:03.000I only open it like two or three times a day because there was a time, like yesterday or the day before, where every time I would open Twitter, and I don't look at my mentions at all, but it was all about me.
00:24:30.000I think one of the things that's happened over this most recent cancellation, I've spent substantially less time online, and it made me feel better.
00:24:39.000Not just because I'm not reading about me, like mean things people say about me, or supportive things people say about me, which is a lot of it.
00:25:07.000Like all these hot takes, I mean, maybe I should dip my fucking toes in that pool every couple days or so, but the reality is, like, that's not good for your health.
00:25:17.000Because these perspectives, they accelerate the culture war.
00:25:20.000Because you see, like, this ridiculous perspective, like, people getting mad at Adele for saying she loves being a woman, and you get angry, like, for no reason, and you're like, what the fuck?!
00:26:33.000But regardless of all of that, the thing that drives me crazy about the, you know, like when Dana White got confronted by that reporter who said, are you a doctor?
00:26:57.000It's a less strong argument when you're censoring all of the virologists who disagree with you.
00:27:02.000But once you're talking about public policy...
00:27:06.000Then everybody gets to be a part of this conversation.
00:27:08.000You can't just – because you're now talking about – you may have a little expertise, but your expertise might be in viruses or if you're like an epidemiologist in the spread of viruses or an immunologist in the immune system or something like that.
00:27:23.000But if you're talking about, okay, this policy will contain this virus, it's like, yeah, but are you also taking into account what effect that would have on the economy?
00:27:30.000What effect that would have on the psychology of the people?
00:28:06.000Wasn't that supposedly the spirit of this country?
00:28:09.000So that stuff just like, this is a really evil authoritarian mindset that's on display there.
00:28:16.000Not just that like, hey, I think it would be best if we did this, but that I believe I have this medical expertise that now gives me license To strip other people of their most basic freedoms.
00:28:39.000Do you think it's like what we were talking about earlier, when it comes to different podcasters and YouTubers and the like, that once they start getting attention for a certain thing, they lean into it?
00:28:53.000I don't think it's just one or the other.
00:28:56.000So I think there's multiple factors going on with a lot of different people.
00:29:00.000So part of it is that, and I've experienced this a little bit when I've kind of been in little bits and pieces in the corporate press world, it's a very insulated bubble.
00:29:11.000Well, you should talk about the time you used to work with C.E. Cup, and you did a thing with Brian Stelter.
00:30:19.000And they, dude, I mean, they had, when it first started, they had a segment at the end of the show where every contributor got to bring their own topic.
00:30:28.000You know, like, here's the topic I want to talk about, and this is what's going on in the news.
00:30:32.000And they literally called me at one point, because, like, four days in a row, I had talked about the war in Yemen.
00:30:38.000That was, like, all I wanted to talk about every single time.
00:30:41.000I was like, this is the worst thing in the world, it's the biggest humanitarian crisis in the world, hundreds of thousands of people are dying, babies are, like, vomiting themselves to death, and it's all because America's supporting the Saudi-led war over there.
00:30:52.000We could end this in a day with a phone call.
00:30:54.000And then it'd be like, tomorrow, what do you want to talk about?
00:30:56.000It'd be like, Well, the war in Yemen's still going on, and babies are dying, and we could end this with a phone call.
00:31:01.000And they're like, the fourth day, they were like, you have to talk about something else.
00:31:06.000And then the fifth day, I went in and I was like, the war in Syria is all America's fault, and babies are dying, and we could end this in a day.
00:31:13.000And then, like, they stopped doing that segment where the contributors got to pick their story at the end.
00:33:19.000I was like, look, there's so many real conspiracies that you guys won't cover that are really interesting, but you won't cover it at all here.
00:33:28.000So then you leave, you seed that ground.
00:33:32.000And this was all fair, but I was talking to him about, like, why I used to listen to Alex Jones back in the day.
00:33:38.000Like, what I found so interesting about him.
00:33:40.000And I was like, well, back in the day, I found Alex Jones, and he's talking about all these things, like, you know, Operation Northwood and stuff like that.
00:33:48.000And I was like, there's no way that's true.
00:33:58.000It was during the Kennedy administration, so in the early 60s.
00:34:02.000JFK was president, I don't know, 62, maybe?
00:34:05.000And basically, they had this plan, which was signed off by the Joint Chiefs, to have a false flag attack to shoot down an American plane and blame it on the Cubans as a pretext for war, to go to war with Cuba.
00:34:29.000Imagine coming into office, when you're president, you don't really know how they run things, and you get in there and the Joint Chiefs of Staff pushes that onto your desk.
00:35:34.000And you've got to think that if this is the attitude of the Joint Chiefs and various people behind the scenes in 1962, why are we supposed to assume that that somehow or another is better today?
00:35:47.000And all of that, all of the kind of like deep state entrenched powers have only gotten more powerful and out of control since then.
00:36:06.000This was supposed the CIA when it was created was supposed to be basically like a newspaper for the president Like the idea was like they're gonna gather information and give it to the president So he has good information good intelligence about what's going on.
00:36:19.000It wasn't gonna be like some paramilitary organization that goes and launches covert wars all around the world and This grew into this monstrosity that it is today and has been for decades.
00:36:32.000But anyway, so I was making this point to Brian Stelter that it's like – and then I said on air at one point – I used the example.
00:36:38.000I go, Obama signed into law in the National Defense Authorization Act of whatever year it was.
00:36:44.000I think it was 2011. I might be wrong about the year.
00:36:46.000But it was one of the NDAA acts that Obama signed into law had the provision that you could detain American citizens without charges and hold them indefinitely.
00:36:55.000And Obama noticed that provision himself because he added a signing statement to it that said, my administration does not plan on doing this.
00:37:10.000And at one point I said, this was on air, at one point I said to Brian Stelter, I go, now listen, the fact that people don't trust the media and that there's all these conspiracies in plain sight that aren't reported on, this manifests itself in silly things, sometimes like some video saying the Parkland...
00:37:28.000You know, school shooting was crisis actors and didn't happen.
00:37:31.000And he corrected me, quite outraged, and said, it's not just silly.
00:37:37.000And I said to him, I go, what's much more dangerous is the president of the United States signing into law the right to detain American citizens without charges and hold them indefinitely and a media who doesn't cover it.
00:37:49.000And, you know, it's much more dangerous as weapons of mass destruction are being created by Saddam Hussein that leads us into war with Iraq.
00:37:59.000It's almost like I don't know if those guys are, like, being intentionally dishonest, but I don't understand how you couldn't think that through and realize it.
00:38:11.000There's a bridge they won't cross where certain things they won't discuss.
00:38:14.000They're too problematic and they just leave them alone.
00:38:17.000And then they'll focus instead on things that are easy to digest and that a lot of people will agree with.
00:38:23.000Yeah, but the result of that has been What?
00:38:26.000That the trust in media has completely collapsed, their viewership has completely collapsed, and now they're furious that you, you know, they're like on some show on CNN, talking about how dangerous you are, and this show on CNN, you probably have Easily 20 times more people listening to your show than theirs.
00:39:40.000And so my guess, even back to what you were saying before, my suspicion is that it's part that people are very insulated in their world, and they kind of have this thing where it's like, Well, everyone agrees with this, because everyone they talk to agrees with this.
00:39:53.000That's an issue with New York and L.A. in particular.
00:40:09.000And then I think there's also a lot of these...
00:40:14.000Like these games, the corporate press game, the politics game, like all of these, the bureaucrat game, they tend to be a magnet and then they tend to be an area where very dishonest,
00:40:29.000narcissistic people, like they're drawn in and they rise up.
00:40:33.000Those are the people who are like drawn in and those are the people who are rewarded by those systems.
00:40:38.000And then on top of that, I think there is some blatant, flat out, lying, corrupt people who are straight up in bed with big corporate interests who are there to do their bidding and know exactly what they're doing.
00:40:53.000Like they might be maybe working with intelligence agencies or they might be working with whatever, pharmaceutical companies or things like that and they have an agenda and they are just lying.
00:41:05.000Now I'm not saying that's everybody, but I'm saying those people exist as well.
00:41:09.000That people like It's—there are people there—I mean, you see these think tanks that, like, are funded by weapons companies that push for every single military—like, every single military intervention.
00:41:24.000Now, I refuse to believe that this is all just the fact that, like, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin really believe it's a noble cause to fund a think tank that wants to push for military intervention.
00:43:21.000It's not an easy thing to do, and that's one of the reasons why I try to boost their signal, like Matt Taibbi or Glenn Greenwald or anybody that's a legitimate, independent journalist that I think is doing really good work.
00:46:24.000There's something just really like a...
00:46:27.000One of the things I find really interesting right is like in the push to I guess the push is to Shut you up is more or less that from the Surgeon General to Brian Stelter to all of the people who are like, you know Whatever the all the the artists and all this stuff who are like,
00:46:45.000you know, whatever want you de-platformed or something like that It's like okay, so even theoretically let's say they got you and Which they're not going to.
00:46:56.000But even theoretically, if they did, it's like, is that really the problem?
00:47:04.000Do they think if you just stopped doing this, if you just quit tomorrow, then everybody who listens to you would just go, okay, I guess we'll just listen to Brian Stelter now.
00:47:11.000I guess we'll walk right back into that world.
00:47:14.000Well, the thing is, they've been able to silence some people.
00:48:00.000And I think that was almost like the moment where it was like, oof, we better do something.
00:48:06.000Well, I think there was a lot of things happening, but it was the Leslie Jones thing.
00:48:10.000It was the Leslie Jones thing because she was in Ghostbusters, and he had said some mean shit about her and called her ugly or something like that, and maybe some racial stuff, and then there was a bunch of people...
00:50:23.000The problem here is that there's no, like, sanity or nuance.
00:50:27.000So it's almost like if she said the wrong thing, then we have to treat that...
00:50:32.000Like, as if there's no difference between if you said...
00:50:34.000I don't think it was a racial issue, I just think it was an issue about humanity and how evil men can be, is what she said.
00:50:40.000So if you said that, or if you said, I don't think the Holocaust ever happened, or if you said, I believe the Holocaust happened and I wish it would happen again.
00:51:40.000She's not a bad person by any stretch of the imagination.
00:51:42.000She's trying to express herself, but her perspective, which was, it's personally oriented on being a woman who's experienced racism towards black people.
00:51:53.000So she's looking at it like these are white people, and then the Germans are white people too.
00:52:11.000But where you would look at them and go, but they're all white, so how could this be a racial issue?
00:52:17.000The other thing that's interesting is that it's like, do you consider Jewish people to be a separate race?
00:52:24.000Because if not, if you say Jews are white, then technically...
00:52:30.000You could argue that Whoopi Goldberg was correct, even though the Nazis believed they were a different race and the Jews believed they were a different race.
00:52:37.000If you think they're all white, you go, they were both wrong.
00:52:40.000So it wasn't technically a race issue.
00:52:43.000To me, I go, if the Nazis' ideology was completely motivated by genetic racialism...
00:52:50.000So, yeah, I would say the answer there is that yes, at least the perpetrators of the Holocaust were saying that they were doing this, you know, to clean out and create the Aryan nation descendants from Atlas or whatever their weird ideology was.
00:53:09.000But I do think that, you know, even talking about like the Milo thing and with a lot of these other guys, One of the things that I really hate and I wish we could fix in America, and I think to be successful, to be a thriving country going forward,
00:53:32.000This is just kind of a spirit of liberty and tolerance that we need in this country where...
00:53:39.000For me personally, if there's a person, you know, sometimes you have these people who are, like, very contrarian kind of provocateurs, and they might, let's say they say four things, and one of them is, like, kind of interesting, and one of them is, like, blows your mind,
00:53:55.000and you're like, that is such a good point, like, such a phenomenally good point, and I never thought about things that way.
00:54:00.000And then they say one thing that you think is dead wrong, and then they say one thing that is wildly offensive and wrong.
00:54:08.000Now, what the woke police and the cancel mobs will focus on is the one thing that they said that was wildly offensive and wrong, and therefore they should be canceled for that.
00:54:45.000And you see, even what you were talking about before when you were talking about- Don't you think there's value also in correcting them and finding out what their mistakes were?
00:54:53.000And also then we get to see how they react.
00:54:55.000Because if they have said something that's wildly incorrect and then someone comes along and says, hey, this is why you're wrong, like with the Whoopi Goldberg thing, this is literally about race.
00:55:05.000They were trying to create a master race.
00:55:57.000And when I hear your voice and my voice at the exact same level, it makes you aware of it, it locks you into the conversation, and you don't talk over each other as much.
00:56:08.000They don't have that, so they talk over each other constantly.
00:56:11.000So that creates like a kind of, there's an anxiety to express yourself and like you're under the gun and it's like they also have a time constraint because each segment is only, you know, whatever minutes long because they have to go to commercial.
00:56:23.000It's not a great place to discuss things that are nuanced.
00:56:28.000And they don't give each other the room and the space to talk about things.
00:57:13.000But I do, to the point you were making, like, yeah, I think there's real value in those people then being confronted and then seeing how they respond to the thing.
00:57:37.000This whole thing is going to go in such a bad authoritarian direction, which we're already going in, if you want to say, we decide what the official narrative is, and anybody who goes against that is crushed or silenced or mocked or ridiculed or whatever,
00:59:53.000And if there is a time when, say, the establishment, let's just say is all pumping the same narrative about, I don't know, for the sake of argument, MRNA vaccines.
01:00:05.000But if everyone's pumping the same narrative, there's a certain personality type who's going to be willing to stand up and say, I think you guys got this wrong.
01:00:14.000I think there actually might be something much more to this.
01:00:16.000And that's not always necessarily just like the smartest person there.
01:00:22.000Oftentimes someone who has some intelligence but also has the personality to be a little bit confrontational, to be willing to say something outside the box.
01:00:31.000And that's also the same type of personality often that will say, like if they get it wrong, We'll say a kind of fucked up thing and get it wrong.
01:00:43.000And like you said, you want them to be corrected when they get stuff wrong, but you don't want them to be silenced because when they get stuff right, it's often the most important thing ever that they got right.
01:00:54.000Yeah, and if you have a business model, like The View, where it's just people giving their opinions, and you punish people for the opinions that you find to be wrong, you're fucking up your own business.
01:01:42.000But then when it comes to conversations where people are giving their opinions about things, I feel like you've got to allow people, I'm not the fucking producer of The View, but you've got to allow those women to express themselves, even when they talk shit about me.
01:02:17.000Okay, so if you had Dr. Gupta on your show and you had Dr. Malone on your show, both making completely contradictory arguments.
01:02:29.000They see things in a completely different way.
01:02:33.000If anybody who was a big fan of the episode with Dr. Malone was saying, I think you should have that episode with Dr. Gupta pulled off, I'd be like, that's insane.
01:02:44.000Even if you agree with this side, that's insane that you shouldn't be able to hear from the other side and what their perspective is.
01:02:52.000All it takes is a minimal amount of humility and a minimal belief in the free expression of ideas to say, no, what we want to do is have both of them.
01:03:02.000What would be really awesome is if they were both there together.
01:03:05.000But the thing is, there's this opinion today where you have to have this thought process that's accepted by a group of people that have deemed this to be the most appropriate or the only opinion that you can have.
01:03:20.000And anything that varies from that, even if it turns out to be incorrect, there's never a course correction.
01:04:02.000I was talking to the regular people out there.
01:04:04.000No, you're right, and that's, like, a really crucially important point that you made.
01:04:10.000And, you know, we've had, over the last, what is it, almost two years now, right, of COVID, since March of 2020, this, it's really hard I think for any of us to really express or understand what a profound change has happened to our society.
01:04:33.000I mean, this is, you know, it's like a friend of mine, someone I really admire very much, Jeff Deist, who's the president of the Mises Institute, which is the greatest institute in the world.
01:05:31.000And this is five days into the revolution.
01:05:33.000You know, it's not till like years later that you look back at it and go, oh, I guess that was a revolution.
01:05:38.000Now, I don't know if that's exactly how you would describe the COVID regime.
01:05:42.000But in many ways, I think it's changed life more than A traditional revolution would.
01:05:48.000You know, like if a regime was overthrown by a coup and someone else took power, it certainly wouldn't necessarily upend every single social norm down to like showing your face in public or shaking hands or what you're allowed to do or what the rise of COVID has done has been...
01:06:10.000It's changed everything about our society.
01:06:12.000And the idea that while this is all happening, you're not allowed to, like, question it, to think about, like, I'm not sure this is the right decision, I think maybe this is wrong, I think maybe we should do this, that all throughout it, these voices have been silenced off of social media,
01:06:30.000and they've been really demonized in a very aggressive way.
01:06:34.000And so many of them have turned out to be right.
01:06:37.000Not all of them were, but the official narrative coming from the regime has been wrong so much.
01:06:44.000I mean, you know, they talk about spreading COVID disinformation.
01:06:47.000The entire establishment talking points have been disinformation from the beginning.
01:06:55.000I'm sure you saw this huge Johns Hopkins study that basically their conclusion was that lockdowns did next to nothing to mitigate COVID deaths and caused far more deaths.
01:07:06.000And if you talk to objective virologists, like people that understand respiratory viruses, and if you got them alone, like, you got that professor alone, he could say, I really agree with you.
01:07:46.000Yeah, well, there's certain deaths of despair numbers that were really high up.
01:07:51.000But I mean, look, when you look at the, there were, I think it was something like 400,000 small businesses that were closed that will never reopen.
01:07:57.00075% of LA restaurants at one point were gone.
01:08:00.000It's every one of those is like somebody's life dream being crushed and the ripple effects from that.
01:08:14.000I mean, double check me maybe on that number, Jamie, but I believe it was 50% childhood obesity has gone up.
01:08:22.000Now, this is going to be four generations before you fix the damage that's caused by that.
01:08:28.000And at the time, when you were opposed to lockdowns, as someone who was opposed to it, at the time, I remember hearing this, you were selfish, you didn't care if grandma died, you just wanted to get a haircut, like all these things, the way people would just be like, completely demonized.
01:08:44.000When, at the time, we were just making the argument that you're like, first off, you're ushering in totalitarianism, and you're destroying the lives of tens of millions of Americans.
01:08:54.000I don't think people saw that part, the ushering in totalitarianism.
01:08:57.000I don't think they equated that because they didn't equate the government being able to mandate your behavior in terms of like whether your business could be open or what have you.
01:09:07.000They didn't equate that with totalitarianism.
01:09:11.000They thought it was like a temporary restriction upon your freedoms that is for the greater good of everyone and that's how it was kind of sold.
01:09:20.000Well, 15 days to flatten the curve was the, you know, the weapons of mass destruction.
01:09:25.000Obesity in U.S. children increased at an unprecedented rate during the pandemic.
01:09:55.000Few pediatricians who have been warning since the pandemic began of the likely effects of reduced physical activity and the increased screen time.
01:10:05.000The monthly rate of BMI increase nearly doubled to 1.93 times during its pre-pandemic rate.
01:10:12.000The proportion of U.S. children who are obese was rising at 0.07% a month before the pandemic, but 0.37% a month, five times faster after the virus appeared.
01:10:47.000And once you become obese as a child, you've put yourself so behind the eight ball now for the rest of life.
01:10:56.000So, you know, it's almost like it's, you know, the only way to have a perfect study on all of these things would be almost like if you could run the counterfactual, like if you had a time machine, you could run back in time and not do the lockdowns and stuff and then see what happens.
01:11:10.000But the point is just that, like, look, they were wrong.
01:11:13.000It's almost objectively wrong about the lockdowns.
01:11:16.000It's so understood that they were wrong now that, let's just put it this way, the Biden administration is blaming the Trump administration for the lockdowns at this point.
01:11:24.000That's what Jen Psaki said when she was questioned about this study.
01:11:28.000Oh, well, look, the lockdowns were long.
01:11:29.000She's like, well, the lockdowns haven't been in the previous administration.
01:11:31.000It's like, yeah, but it was your guy, Dr. Fauci, who was in there, you know, like pushing them the whole time.
01:11:36.000But no, they just went, no, no, no, that was the previous administration.
01:11:39.000Even though Joe Biden was praising Cuomo and praising Newsom and all of the governors who were doing it at the time, they wiped their hands of that.
01:13:19.000But I don't think that is categorized as misinformation because it's not like there's contrary information that's better.
01:13:25.000At that time, they were dealing with the stuff that was coming off of those cruise ships.
01:13:30.000And one of the things off those cruise ships, they were finding evidence that COVID lived on surfaces for up to 14 days, which is terrifying to people.
01:13:38.000So that is where the spray things down came from.
01:15:29.000It was like a way of like signaling to everybody that you care.
01:15:33.000I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
01:15:34.000But I think the problem, we're dealing with these news sources.
01:15:39.000It's the same kind of problem we're talking about the view and the same kind of problem when they're talking about me is that the answer to like if people more people believe me or trust me or want to listen to me talk the answer is not to silence me the answer is to you to do better the answer is for you to have better arguments when you're on television talking about how I'm taking horse paste and You know that's not true.
01:16:02.000I'm taking horse dewormer instead of saying which you should have said How did Joe Rogan get better so quick?
01:16:10.000How come he got COVID that's killing everybody and he was better in five days?
01:16:14.000Negative in five days, working out in six days.
01:16:42.000Why don't they have an expert on explains why, even though there is still a prevalence of Delta cases, they still exist, and monoclonal antibodies are very effective against Delta.
01:17:03.000If you're in business, and your business is the news, and you want to get more people to pay attention, you should be honest.
01:17:09.000And my thoughts for CNN, my advice to them, I don't hate CNN. I used to go to them every day for the news until they started fucking hating on me.
01:17:17.000If you want to do better, just fucking change your model.
01:17:35.000Have people that give out effective news, objective news rather, and I'll support you.
01:17:40.000I will turn around 100% and I'll be one of the people that tells people, I saw this on CNN, watch this on CNN. CNN has a different business model.
01:17:50.000They're just being objective news now.
01:18:06.000But sometimes you just can't help, like just give your, like, and I said, and this was in 2017, if you can remember the environment back then, and I said, look, if you guys really, you know what you guys could do that would really help?
01:18:16.000And hear me out, because I know you're not going to like this.
01:18:40.000Because people will be like, well, yeah, look, they give him credit when they think he did something right, and they'll hit him hard when they think he did something wrong.
01:18:46.000Because what you're doing right now is it's just all day, every day, Trump did the worst thing ever, Trump did, and now people are like, you're just in the business of trying to make him look stupid.
01:18:54.000So even if your goal is to make him look stupid, it doesn't have any weight to it.
01:18:59.000You know, like, it's not gonna, it's not gonna work.
01:19:01.000But it's that thing, it's like they're confined by their format.
01:19:05.000They're confined by their environment.
01:19:07.000They're confined by these small segments that last for seven minutes or whatever it is in between commercials.
01:19:13.000They have producers that are overlooking everything they say.
01:19:16.000You don't get a real, like an honest perspective.
01:19:24.000Or rather, there's a format that they're trying to...
01:19:30.000Make sure that everybody abides by, and then there's a narrative that you have to follow.
01:19:35.000Well, the thing that's crazy, too, is that, you know, and you were saying if they were going to tell the truth or be honest, is that...
01:19:41.000So the last time I was on the show, Becca...
01:19:45.000It was in April, I think, of 2021. We had that clip that went viral that Fauci called you out for.
01:19:54.000And I was re-watching it the other day, watching the clip and then watching his response to it.
01:19:59.000And it's funny, and it's funny thinking about this with the childhood obesity numbers that we were just looking at and all this stuff.
01:20:04.000And basically what you said was you go, you know, if you're a 20-year-old healthy person, what I'd advise you to do with COVID is make sure you're still really healthy.
01:20:24.000And Fauci's response to this, which I was literally just listening to the other day, does not age well.
01:20:31.000It's really, first off, he said, he goes, he's like, no, Joe Rogan, what you don't understand is that you get the vaccine to protect other people.
01:20:39.000Because if you get it, you can't spread it.
01:20:41.000You know, and you're like, well, hmm, that didn't age so well.
01:20:43.000And then he says at one point, he goes, if you don't get the vaccine, and this is almost word for word, what he said.
01:20:49.000You could pull up this clip, Fauci responds to Joe Rogan and see it.
01:20:52.000But it was almost word for word what he said was, he goes, if you're a healthy 20-year-old and you get COVID, We're good to go.
01:21:15.000I do not think the science backs up the idea that someone with no symptoms will likely spread it to other people.
01:22:53.000And so that's, I completely agree with you on that.
01:22:55.000I'm just saying that, look, first of all, the claim was, if you want to talk about bad information that may have led to real damage in COVID, Joe Biden, the President of the United States, straight up said, if you get the vaccines, you will not get or spread COVID. How about Rachel Maddow?
01:23:17.000Now, think about this, and I don't know exactly, I don't know if anyone can measure these numbers.
01:23:21.000How many people got these vaccines, like, when they first came out, and then thought to themselves, well, I can't get COVID now, maybe had, what you're saying, the sniffles, had mild symptoms, and went, well, it can't possibly be COVID, because I'm vaccinated, and went and spread that to a whole bunch of people.
01:23:35.000So, I'm not saying, like, I've been talking about COVID and the COVID regime for, like, basically two years on my podcast.
01:23:41.000I'm sure I've gotten some things wrong.
01:23:44.000You know, I'm not saying you haven't gotten some things wrong and, like, maybe, like, that's true.
01:23:48.000But for anyone to be pointing the finger, like, you got things wrong and this is dangerous and led to all of this, like, the most catastrophically wrong things that have really led to real-world...
01:24:15.000If you're 91 and you have several health problems, but you would have lived till, say, 95 and you get COVID and die at 91, I mean, that's awful.
01:25:11.000They got 10 million dollars in donations for the truckers and GoFundMe thought it would be great if they gave that money to the charities of their choice.
01:25:19.000You fucking imagine the gall The gall of that, after they, listen, I'm not saying they shouldn't have supported Black Lives Matter.
01:25:28.000I think you should support, I think GoFundMe should be available to anyone who wants to use it for anything where people can argue that it's a good cause.
01:25:37.000And the Ottawa truckers, a lot of people think that's a good cause.
01:25:41.000Black Lives Matter, a lot of people thought that was a good cause.
01:25:43.000The fact that you can make a distinction between one and the other, if they had taken all the money that was donated to Black Lives Matter and they said, you know what?
01:25:57.000And a charity that's kind of like, even though they shouldn't be opposed to each other, but that's just on the other side of the political aisle.
01:26:04.000If you went, oh, Black Lives Matter, we're actually going to give that money to some pro-life charity or something like that.
01:26:09.000In Quebec, you can't buy groceries unless you're vaccinated.
01:26:14.000We need to look at this and make sure this is true.
01:26:29.000And the way Trudeau talks about people who are unvaccinated, the way he said that they're misogynists and rapists, or racists, he said they were misogynists and racists and You're in the demonized class all of a sudden.
01:26:46.000You're taking people that have a perspective on a medical intervention and you're deciding that you're gonna demonize them in the worst possible ways with no evidence.
01:27:01.000And isn't it something that so many of these people, like say the nurses who are unvaccinated, the truck drivers who don't like the mandates, that they were the heroes.
01:27:27.000Not only that, the CDC has shown that these nurses, which most of them got COVID. I'll say this.
01:27:33.000If you were working through the pandemic the whole time, 100% of them either got COVID or learned how to protect themselves from getting COVID. There's no other option there, right?
01:27:43.000Literally around COVID-positive patients all day long.
01:27:46.000But we're learning from this, from this whole pandemic, is not just about authoritarianism and a lot of the issues that we're dealing with about ideologies and how rigid people are, but also about how fragile our civilization truly is when confronted with any kind of adversity.
01:28:07.000People are so fragile, and most people, they rely upon existing structures, whether it's the office they work at, whether it's the neighborhood they're in.
01:28:19.000They rely on these sort of structures in order to have any semblance of normalcy in life.
01:28:26.000And when forced upon themselves to be confronted with The unknown, to be confronted with open-ended possibilities and having to make moral and ethical decisions based on your values and how you feel about people, not based on whether people want you to condemn someone for their choices or attack people for choices.
01:28:48.000I know a lot of people that hate people that have been vaccinated.
01:29:08.000It was so interesting to see Trump losing...
01:29:11.000His base and then like how he handles that and then he's caught between this thing where like Donald Trump's like like he's got the narrative in his head figured out he's like well I did the vaccines and I'm the greatest so that's the greatest and I get all the credit but then he's losing his people.
01:29:26.000Unvaccinated to be accommodated at all times in Canadian Walmarts, Costcos to ensure they're buying pharmacy products only.
01:33:45.000You know, it's like when you get on, like...
01:33:48.000And a lot of people, I think, are really tired of the COVID regime.
01:33:54.000Like, they just want to go back to normal life.
01:33:55.000A lot of people are really tired of the culture war bullshit because so much of it is manufactured and they just want to go back to real life.
01:34:20.000You just kind of like you go, you know, you could watch like, you know, social justice warrior type, you know, college campus activists on online and, you know, the fat phobic person we were saying before, and they're all this like white privilege and this and that and all of this.
01:34:34.000And you're like, oh, my God, there's like all racism is everywhere.
01:34:37.000And then you like go to the supermarket, you know, like it.
01:36:43.000I mean, I think he said things that were almost vague enough to not turn the voters who might not have liked that off, but it was, like, right away.
01:36:56.000So his thing is to be more tough on crime.
01:36:59.000And people are very excited about that, right?
01:37:01.000Well, I think that was one of the big appeals of him because crime has really risen quite a bit over the last couple years in New York.
01:37:08.000And this is coming off of, you know, New York.
01:37:12.000You know, like New York, when I... I grew up, you know, I was born in 83, so I grew up in New York in like the 80s and 90s, and New York crime was like a major problem, and it got way, way better.
01:37:22.000Like my whole life, the crime rate was going down and down and down and down, and then all of a sudden it started coming back, and people were very upset.
01:37:28.000So I think that was a big part of his appeal, was the kind of like, we're going to take care of street crime.
01:37:33.000And understandably, people were attracted to that message.
01:37:36.000But I think it was very, very a bad sign to me that immediately getting in there, the first thing he did was like continue the emergency power acts and the vaccine passport and all that stuff.
01:37:47.000So I think they're dropping the mask mandates, though.
01:37:50.000I think that's the new thing in New York City.
01:37:52.000Oh, I saw that in New Jersey, they're saying they're gonna drop the mask mandates for schools, which is really great news.
01:38:01.000And it's one of those things that like, you know, I know you just said you're tired of talking about this, but one of the worst things is, you know, masking up kids.
01:38:12.000I'm wondering what the world's gonna look like in two years from now.
01:38:16.000I wonder what's gonna change and whether or not we're gonna get out of this better.
01:38:21.000Like, you know, that's one of the things that does happen whenever human beings are confronted with any sort of an adverse situation where it requires adjustment.
01:38:28.000It's like there's a possibility and an opportunity for growth.
01:38:32.000And it's not completely outside the realm of possibility that we do figure out how to grow and get better.
01:38:47.000And I think that there is, you know, even if like from my perspective where I'm like, well, you know, talking about everything I've been talking about since we've been here and how the regime is so corrupt and they're liars and they've read.
01:38:56.000But I look around at this and I see the fact that I think the collapsing trust in all of these institutions is a great thing.
01:39:04.000I think the fact that people are like waking up to this stuff is incredible.
01:39:10.000Because we have the Glenn Greenwalds and the Matt Taibis and the Crystals and Saugers and the Jimmy Dores.
01:39:16.000Because they exist, yes, I agree with you.
01:39:18.000Yeah, and also just that I think that we can, like, we have the capabilities to have a more prosperous, a freer, a better, a kinder society than ever before.
01:39:30.000We just haven't put it all together yet, and that's like a growing process.
01:39:35.000We just gotta shun the voices that disagree with that.
01:39:37.000We have to, like, re-educate people to the fact that, like, the most important thing is getting along.
01:39:48.000What I hope people learn from everything over, say, like, the last, you know...
01:39:54.000I don't know, five years or so, even before the COVID stuff.
01:39:57.000And I think this is what I was saying, like, people are tired of the culture wars and all this stuff.
01:40:01.000This is a big part of the reason why I'm a libertarian, and I believe in drastically reducing government, is that politics is so poisonous.
01:40:10.000And this is one of the major problems with the COVID stuff in general is that now politics became everything.
01:40:16.000Politics became finding out, you know, whether you're allowed to go to work or whether you're allowed to visit your father or whether you're allowed, you know, everything was dictated by a governor and political differences.
01:40:29.000Are like wars even when they're mini wars or cold wars It's like it's a war when you have a political difference with somebody you're now Fighting over who is going to rule over the other person like this is why once every four years Tensions rise so high over is it gonna be Hillary or Trump or Biden or Trump because one of you is gonna lose And have to be ruled over by the other one Do you remember when Biden won and then they started putting out lists of people that supported
01:42:15.000So it was like somewhere – this is true in the crowd.
01:42:16.000There's a Christian sitting next to an atheist.
01:42:18.000You guys have the most profound differences in the way you view the world.
01:42:22.000I mean like literally one of you believes the other one is going to burn in a pit of fire for eternity and the other one believes that you are delusional basically, that you believe you have this personal relationship with something that doesn't exist.
01:42:37.000And you're just sitting next to each other.
01:42:55.000If this guy doesn't eat bacon because it's in the Quran, that doesn't fuck with you.
01:42:59.000But if it becomes political, let's say that the school that your kids go to, the public school, is now going to teach Muslim prayer in the school.
01:43:09.000I don't want my kids being indoctrinated with stuff I don't believe in.
01:43:12.000So my point is just that when you reduce government When you reduce government intervention, when you reduce the size and scope of government, what you end up getting is more peace.
01:43:23.000You end up getting things where it's like people can have disagreements.
01:43:25.000We can have different cultural preferences.
01:43:27.000We can have different feelings about gender or whatever.
01:43:47.000We need the government to stop doing all of the evil stuff that it's doing, and we need a spirit of liberty where it's like, look, we can disagree with each other and not have to go to war with each other.
01:45:04.000It was Obama's government working with the Saudis to launch a war against the Houthis in Yemen.
01:45:11.000And basically the back story to it is that Obama had really...
01:45:15.000The Saudis were pissed off at our government and they're a big trading partner in ours.
01:45:19.000But number one, they were against the war in Iraq that George W. Bush started because they kind of were the only ones who saw obviously how this was going to go.
01:45:27.000And they were like, you know, their big enemy is Iran.
01:45:30.000And you were like, well, if you overthrow the Sunni minority government in Iraq, obviously the Shiites are going to take power.
01:45:38.000And then Iran's going to have all of this influence in the region.
01:45:41.000So you're just empowering our worst enemy.
01:46:19.000Which has turned into a genocide to placate one of the most evil governments in the world, the Saudis.
01:46:26.000So that's what Obama, the man who won the Nobel Peace Prize, gave us.
01:46:32.000Besides for funding bin Ladenite Islamists in Libya and Syria and committing literal treason, he should be tried for war crimes and literally spend the rest of his life in a cage for what he did in Yemen.
01:46:45.000Literally launched a war of genocide to placate The Saudis.
01:46:50.000Is that really the only motivation for us getting involved?
01:46:54.000I mean, yeah, basically, they're a big business partner of ours, and we were pissed off and we were worried about losing that relationship.
01:47:34.000There's there was something at one point there was in the ballpark of a million cases of cholera.
01:47:39.000I'm not sure if they were actually all cholera or there were some other similar like infections that were but it's been hundreds of thousands of people who have died in in this war.
01:47:51.000The UN said it was the number one humanitarian crisis in the world and it's it's these are you know Infectious diseases that are targeting, that disproportionately hit babies.
01:48:14.000Obama started it, Trump continued it through his entire presidency, funded the Saudis even more than Obama had, gave them even more weapons.
01:48:25.000And Biden said he was going to end it.
01:48:28.000And he said he was going to end the war.
01:48:29.000And there were some people, I will say, Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul were both really great on this in the Senate, trying to bring awareness to this, that we've got to end this.
01:49:18.000The motivations that they have for getting involved in wars that benefit Saudi Arabia, is it negotiations in terms of oil access?
01:49:29.000Is it negotiations in terms of control of the region?
01:49:33.000Is it, like, compromises in terms of, like, they make these compromises in terms of, like, we want to do this, and you want to do that, so we'll allow you to do this, we do that, and then we'll work together?
01:49:44.000So there's several really big, like, financial incentives behind it.
01:49:52.000The number one, Saudi Arabia buys a tremendous amount of weapons.
01:49:58.000So this is worth a lot of money for weapons manufacturers.
01:50:03.000There's also the whole petrodollar thing, where it has been this agreement for a long time that Saudi Arabia will peg their oil to U.S. dollars and only trade in dollars.
01:50:14.000And this does a lot to keep our currency afloat.
01:50:17.000That was part of the reason why the war with Iraq happened, right?
01:50:22.000Didn't that have something to do with them taking their money, like they weren't going to put their oil on the US dollar anymore?
01:50:31.000Supposedly, Saddam Hussein, around the year 2000, had a plan to start trading oil in gold and other assets and not using dollars anymore.
01:50:43.000I've also seen people say that Gaddafi had plans to be in on this.
01:50:53.000I do know that very shortly after we got off the gold standard, after Richard Nixon took us off the gold standard, that we made this deal with Saudi Arabia in the 70s where they would only trade oil for dollars, which in some ways kind of replaced Yeah.
01:51:31.000I'm sure there's other motivations that I don't know about.
01:52:24.000Is the idea, though, that the reason why they're making these concessions to these other foreign countries is that it ultimately does help America in some sort of way?
01:52:32.000Well, I mean, I'm sure they would argue that...
01:52:35.000Have you ever talked to, like, a CIA guy or someone who's, like, involved in this sort of international politics...
01:52:43.000Not saying that you would agree with them, but explain to you the motivation or why it's beneficial to be involved with these countries, rather?
01:52:53.000I have talked to several of them, and I've heard a lot of their arguments.
01:52:56.000By the way, there's also a lot of those guys who...
01:52:59.000Would agree with me on this, or I would agree with them, I should probably say more accurately.
01:53:04.000I'd highly recommend anybody who wants to know what's really going on to listen to Colonel Douglas McGregor, who is as smart and as decorated as you could possibly be, and he's the guy who really makes the argument the best that we should be completely out of all of these wars.
01:53:38.000But also might be because of what their views are on this stuff.
01:53:41.000But yeah, there are people who will make these arguments.
01:53:43.000But really, usually the arguments, you know, they come down to like, well...
01:53:49.000I mean, it's like the way the wars were sold.
01:53:51.000It's like, well, we had to go into Iraq because of whatever, weapons of mass destruction, or we had to go into Syria because Assad was killing all of his own people, or we had to go into Libya because he was about to go genocidal, or we had to go into blah, blah.
01:54:03.000Yemen, they don't really try to make this argument as much for.
01:54:06.000It's just kind of like- Well, you don't hear about it.
01:56:00.000Because this one, this guy found it and it's in this thing, in this, you know, where they're looking at these paintings that are going to go up for auction.
01:56:10.000And he purchased it for like a little over $1,000.
01:56:51.000Da Vinci would paint things on wood and so he painted on wood and there was a lot of evidence that he prepared for this.
01:56:58.000Like there were sketches, if you scroll back up you can see that.
01:57:00.000These are sketches that he had drawn of like the way the cloth would fold on, because it's a painting of Jesus.
01:57:08.000It's the way the cloth would fold on Jesus' arms, and there's evidence that he was working on this painting.
01:57:14.000There's also copies of this painting, and one of them got displayed in the Louvre in Paris because The MBS, the owner of this painting, wouldn't allow them to put it unless they put it right next to the Mona Lisa.
01:57:31.000He wanted them to call it the male Mona Lisa.
01:57:33.000See, that's a copy right there, that one down there.
01:57:35.000But I want you to see if you can find, Google what the original image looked like.
02:00:05.000Because the documentary is not just about the painting itself, but it's also about the psychology of selling it.
02:00:13.000And one of the ways that this thing was selling, one of the reasons why it became an issue...
02:00:18.000It's because there was this French guy who was selling these paintings to this Russian oligarch.
02:00:23.000So this Russian guy was this billionaire, was spending all this money on paintings, and he found out because of an article that he got ripped off by this French guy.
02:00:32.000He thought that the painting cost 130, I think it was 135 million dollars.
02:01:29.000And then they put it on display, and no one knew who was buying it.
02:01:32.000It turned out to be MBS. He was buying it, and he has it in a yacht.
02:01:37.000That's where it's displayed, which costs the exact amount of his painting.
02:01:42.000The yacht is like a half billion dollars, too.
02:01:44.000And so he's got this painting that's probably not Leonardo da Vinci, but it's definitely, whatever it is, it's mostly painted by this lady.
02:01:53.000Whatever it is, it's the most overpriced piece of art ever.
02:02:03.000See, the thing is, if it is Da Vinci, wouldn't you rather have the one that's not fucked with, that's just cleaned, that looks like shit, rather than someone comes along and paints over it?
02:02:15.000Go back to the original one after cleaning.
02:02:18.000I'd rather have the one with all the pieces missing that was just the da Vinci.
02:02:30.000Like, if that was up there, like, yeah, man, if you go to Italy, and I've been to Italy many times, and one of the more amazing things about Italy is the art.
02:02:38.000There's incredible art all over the place.
02:02:40.000Like, so many different churches, and a lot of it is really worn out and old.
02:02:46.000But through that, it's amazing because you get to look at this art that's been weathered by time.
02:02:52.000Yeah, that's kind of part of the appeal of it.
02:03:11.000When they show the painting, and they say this is like a lost Leonardo, and it goes for $450 million, I don't think they said, hmm, by the way, this is what it used to look like before this broad in New York City who really knows how to paint.
02:04:14.000Yes, some of it hundreds of years old, some of it just decades old.
02:04:19.000But the point is he was selling this wine to all these wealthy buyers.
02:04:24.000So he would curate this collection of these incredible wines and then he would sell them to people.
02:04:30.000Well then someone figured out that some of the wines that he was selling were counterfeit.
02:04:35.000And then they started doing an examination.
02:04:37.000And where he fucked up was he sold the wine to the Koch brothers.
02:04:43.000So one of the Koch brothers who had bought like millions of dollars in wine from this guy got fucked because one of the gentlemen who worked for the original company, the original vineyard, was like, we've never made a magnum in that year.
02:06:25.000They got a lot of resources to spend if they figure out you did that.
02:06:28.000They certainly did, but the point is it's the same thing.
02:06:31.000It's like people that want to have this very exclusive, very rare thing, and so they get They're romanced by the auction, by the idea that they're going to be the one that has it.
02:06:45.000You know, oh, Ed's got it in his basement.
02:06:47.000So that's what's so interesting about it is that we're such weird animals.
02:06:51.000It's like the psychological, like, appeal of something.
02:06:53.000Because the truth is that you could just get, look, you could get someone who's a good artist to paint you a picture that's real nice that you like looking at.
02:07:00.000You could get a good bottle of wine that you enjoy drinking, but you are so interested in having this thing that confers with it status or something like that.
02:07:21.000And then if you have that mentality and then you find out that you've been ripped off, how furious you must be.
02:07:27.000Especially if you're a billionaire and you fancy yourself to be an intelligent person who's an expert at this one thing that you're obsessed with, which is wine.
02:07:35.000They show this coke brother going through his basement or his you know his what would you call it his wine cellar and it's incredible his collections massive collection of all these wines he's so proud of it and then it turns out it's bullshit and then he's furious and he's like well I have 40 bucks Billion dollars to spend on getting even with you,
02:07:59.000So also the Koch brothers are like probably the worst or up there with the worst billionaires to piss off because they're also like politically connected.
02:08:06.000So they're like, well, let me just call the DA who is my good friend and the senator who I funded.
02:08:13.000And in this documentary, what's really interesting is this one guy like the thing about wine is like I don't know how many real experts there are and how many people are just pretending they can taste the differences in these wines.
02:10:10.000You've taken a thing that's supposed to be a drink that people enjoy that makes you feel good and put all of this psychological importance on top of it to create this entire structure that is absurd.
02:11:50.000That's what I'm obsessed with about the Salvador Mundi.
02:11:52.000That's what I'm obsessed with the sour grapes documentary.
02:11:55.000I'm obsessed with this obsession that people have with, like, these, like, very subtle differences and things that only someone who's, like, deeply studied can understand.
02:13:07.000It's like what holds back a lot of these things is that it's very hard for people to admit when they're wrong and they'd rather just double down because it's a very difficult thing to do.
02:13:22.000I mean, in the political world, I see this all the time.
02:13:25.000Even when people say they're wrong about stuff, they tend to try and like, well, we don't really believe that anymore, but here's why we're pissed off at this guy now.
02:13:33.000And you're like, okay, but you should really probably spend some time on this.
02:14:48.000And so if he's right about that, which I believe he is, then the response of like, now we really need to do something, is the worst possible response.
02:14:57.000And I think we fell right into what bin Laden's trap was.
02:15:01.000Which was like Bin Laden explicitly said.
02:17:02.000I mean, his whole family is a very rich, connected Saudi family.
02:17:06.000A lot of them weren't, like, with his terrorist thing, either.
02:17:09.000Like, he was kind of like, that's crazy Uncle Osama.
02:17:13.000Well, his terrorist thing was fueled by the fact that the United States funded the Mujahideen to fight off the Soviets.
02:17:21.000Well, right, so there were several kind of like layers to it.
02:17:24.000It's like that number one, right, so in 1979 to 1980, we funded the Mujahideen, which was his group, and funded, armed, and trained them on how to lure a superpower into an unwinnable war and beat them through guerrilla warfare to bankrupt their country.
02:17:42.000That one kind of came back to bite us.
02:17:44.000But then ultimately what happened is that we – so we used these guys and then we ultimately radicalized them against us.
02:17:51.000And so we – the Americans basically propped up the governments in Egypt and in Saudi Arabia.
02:18:00.000And these were the governments that they were really like opposed to.
02:18:04.000And particularly it was the – George H.W. Bush's war in Iraq.
02:18:11.000Do you remember the not as popular war in Iraq?
02:18:14.000That everyone said was just a cakewalk.
02:18:16.000That it was like, oh, we won that easy.
02:18:18.000And they were celebrating it, and they were doing these specials on TVs, and this just showed how great it was that America can go to war now.
02:18:25.000It's like, the Soviet Union collapsed, we're the superpower in the world, and look how easy war is.
02:18:30.000We can just go right in there, topple these countries and win.
02:18:32.000We don't even have to take the guy out of power.
02:19:05.000And then the blockade against Iraq, the sanctions and the continued bombing campaigns by Clinton, where like hundreds of thousands of people died.
02:21:32.000And this is what bin Laden wrote about in his declaration of war against America.
02:21:38.000Basically, the complaint was that we...
02:21:41.000Prop up brutal dictators in the Muslim world.
02:21:45.000We prop up Israel, who's oppressing the Palestinians, and that our military interventions in Iraq and in other Muslim countries have killed a whole bunch of innocent people.
02:21:56.000And this was the shtick he used to recruit people.
02:21:59.000Whether he believed it or not, I don't know, but this is what he used to recruit people.
02:22:03.000And so the lesson of 9-11 should have been That if you do these things in the Middle East, if you have these military interventions, if you kill all these people, if you have your Secretary of State on television saying the price of 500,000 dead children over there is worth it,
02:23:03.000That people make that is even remotely compelling that if we didn't do that There would have been a superpower with you know nuclear capabilities That is run by a brutal dictator that would have had substantially more control and more ability to enforce their I haven't heard anyone make that argument.
02:23:29.000I think it's almost impossible for anyone to argue that, as bad as they were, that Saddam Hussein still being here, Gaddafi still being here, would not be a better situation than what we've had.
02:23:41.000Can I say this to answer that question?
02:23:43.000Because I think this is very relevant to what you're asking.
02:25:20.000Like, when they say, like, what we would have done differently to be successful in these places, where we would have mitigated all these lives of innocent civilians.
02:25:29.000Well, there will be some people who, some of those right-wing hawk types, who would have, at the time, at least blamed Obama for not being hawkish enough.
02:25:39.000You know, he just shouldn't have, he shouldn't have drawed down, he should have surged more, and if only that, we could have won it.
02:25:45.000But the problem with that is that, I mean, he sent in like 70,000 troops to Afghanistan.
02:25:58.000It was the same thing as would have happened in the beginning.
02:26:01.000McMaster thinks that we should have left 10,000 people in Afghanistan to keep the Taliban from coming in and taking over, and then if they wanted to get out their equipment, they should have done it slowly.
02:26:14.000They shouldn't have just left everything behind.
02:26:16.000I think the problem with that, and I don't know, I'd be interested to hear how he would respond to this, but this is a big thing that people like.
02:26:22.000So we had a very small footprint in Afghanistan toward the end, right?
02:29:40.000It's so good, but it's so crazy that like if you did that with Obama people would go but that doesn't make any sense Well, yeah doesn't make any sense if you do that with Clinton, but he's but that's that's not how he is But you do that with Biden and people go oh god, that's so close like there's so many times where he just says a non-word his vision And you're like,
02:30:08.000It's like a real emperor-has-no-clothes type situation where it's like even like most people in the corporate press, like Fox News aside, but like CNN, the New York Times, Washington Post, MSNBC types, they hated Trump so much.
02:30:22.000And I understand why they hated Trump.
02:30:23.000They wanted him out, thought it was an embarrassment, incompetent, he pissed them off.
02:30:46.000But they have to pretend that you don't see a guy who's clearly too old, has clearly lost a step, is, like, completely out of it, and it's...
02:30:53.000I gotta say, I enjoy it, and I like him being the face.
02:31:05.000I mean, if you just go look at a speech, I think Joe Biden was, I think he always thought he was smarter than he was, even back in the day.
02:31:14.000But if you listen to a clip of Joe Biden five years ago, seven years ago, listen to the way he talked, he is clearly...
02:31:51.000Well, the problem they're going to have is like I understand why you'd say you don't think so and part of that's because like people don't like her and she's not good at this.
02:31:59.000But the problem is the Democrat kind of woke establishment.
02:32:06.000How can they really argue that the vice president, who oh just so happens to be a woman of color, that she should be skipped over?
02:33:06.000And it was a great thing that she took her out on.
02:33:10.000It's like this idea that I think one of the things that is the most infuriating to regular people is that it's like, and this is one of the things through COVID that's been infuriating to people.
02:33:19.000You see these videos of the other day with Stacey Abrams in a classroom.
02:33:27.000Right, and you're fine imposing these draconian rules on everybody else, knowing That you're going to live above them.
02:33:34.000And in Kamala Harris' case, it was the most despicable hypocrisy.
02:33:39.000That you yourself laugh about how you smoked weed, and yet you, as a prosecutor, threw other human beings in cages for lengthy prison sentences for the same thing that you laugh about when admitting you do it.
02:34:11.000It's one of the things I hate the most about COVID, or I shouldn't say hate the most, but one of the things that makes me real uncomfortable, and I noticed this even here today, like in the hotel that I'm staying at, where it's like, it's here in Texas, so like, Most people aren't wearing masks.
02:34:25.000Like, I'm not wearing a mask in the hotel and stuff.
02:34:26.000They don't say anything to you about it.
02:34:48.000There's already this thing where it's kind of like, hey, you're cleaning my room for me.
02:34:54.000It's already a little bit of a weird feeling like I'm just relaxing and you're cleaning everything up and then you have to I've been at clubs like around the country where like the bus boys have masks on and you're in this environment like you're on stage you're having a lot of fun you're telling jokes everyone's in the audience they're having a lot of fun they're drinking they're laughing everyone's having fun the one person here who's working and doing you know kind of a this isn't really fun I'm bussing tables and that's the guy who's got to wear the mask I guess it's for appearances Well,
02:35:22.000he's being told he has to, I'd imagine.
02:35:25.000It's much worse for me when I see these gala events where all the participants are maskless and all the staff have masks on.
02:35:45.000I was watching Bellator the other day, and the Bellator fighters, I don't know if it's like a commission thing, they were in Arizona, they had to put their masks on as they got out of the cage.
02:35:58.000Having fucking wars in a cage and then like safety first and they get off they gotta put this fucking cloth mask on they were waiting for them at the gate so as soon as they open maybe it was like a Showtime rule cuz they're on Showtime?
02:36:12.000MMA it's like you're like the guy's like in your guard and you cut him open with an elbow and he's just bleeding directly into your face but then when you leave they're like don't forget a cloth mask yeah you gotta put that mask on when you walk outside this fucking fenced-in environment of doom Safety first.
02:36:29.000I'm so looking forward to this weekend.
02:39:17.000And I believe he had takedowns in all of those fights, which was not typically the way he had fought.
02:39:24.000I mean, like, I'm sure he's always had some wrestling, but he wasn't really using his wrestling.
02:39:29.000I don't remember any fights where he took guys down before then.
02:39:32.000He was always just knocking guys out and stuffing takedowns and knocking guys out.
02:39:36.000And so it kind of adds an interesting element to it that he's now been, like, using his offensive wrestling a little bit more because for the Israel Adesanya fight, Whether or not he can take him down, I think he really needs to at least make Israel Adesanya think that he might be trying to take him down.
02:39:54.000Well, Marvin Vittori got him down a little bit in the first round, but then Israel stopped all that shit, and he fucked him up.
02:40:19.000But Jan Blachowicz, on the other hand, is a really big guy.
02:40:23.000And he was able to control Israel, take him down, and really the ground game was where he scored probably the most points and had the most dominance in that fight without a sign yet.
02:40:36.000So a lot of people look at that performance and say, well, if Jan can do it, maybe this is the way that someone can beat him.
02:40:44.000I don't think Whitaker is obviously not as big and as strong, but what he could maybe do is I think at least if he can land a takedown or two and at least be able to mix up the threat of a takedown with his very good striking.
02:41:00.000He's probably not as good as Israel Adesanya's striking, but still very good.
02:41:04.000I mean, you don't want to get hit by that dude.
02:42:26.000I mean, Pereira, the first guy he beat was, you know, not an elite fighter or a top contender, a very good fighter, but he knocked that guy out with that flying knee.
02:43:18.000That actually, if Brunson would sign up for that, that makes sense.
02:43:21.000It doesn't make sense for Brunson, though, because Brunson's so high in the rankings.
02:43:25.000No, he probably wants a title shot, or he wants to fight Sean Strickland, and then Winner gets a title fight or something like that.
02:43:30.000But maybe they're not going to do it that way, and they'd rather build this story and put him in there with someone more likely to strike with him.
02:43:38.000I mean, Sean Strickland might grapple with him, though.
02:43:41.000I mean, Sean Strickland's boxing is excellent, but I don't know, if you're Sean Strickland and you're fighting that fight, if you were in Sean Strickland's corner, wouldn't you be like, maybe try to take this guy down?
02:43:50.000Strickland's an unusual character, because Strickland stands so straight up.
02:43:55.000He stands completely straight up, but guys can't take him down.
02:43:58.000His boxing's very good there, and that jab is incredible.
02:44:01.000His distance, his ability to understand distance is so good.
02:44:05.000And they attribute that to all the rounds that he spars.
02:44:54.000Not only that, this isn't even a complicated fight to judge, right?
02:44:57.000This is not like a jiu-jitsu match where, you know, like, look if a guy takes a guy down and if it turns into more of a jiu-jitsu type situation where he comes really close to finishing with a triangle, really close to finishing with an arm bar, but he gets out of it, and then he hits him with a punch.
02:45:21.000I see those two different arguments, but in this case, it's a stand-up fight.
02:45:24.000Or even in a stand-up fight, like, let's say, Nate Diaz-Conor McGregor 2, Where you had this round in the second round where Conor McGregor drops Nate Diaz a couple times, but he drops him with one punch, Nate falls to his guard and he's like,
02:45:40.000come on in, come on in, and he backs up.
02:45:41.000And then at the end of the round, Nate Diaz puts him against the cage and just unloads with these combinations, hits him with a ton.
02:46:11.000And the fact that it was a split decision, I see that it's heartbreaking.
02:46:15.000That drives me crazy because if you don't know the way it works, folks that are listening, the way the UFC's pay structure works, say if you're Sean Strickland.
02:46:26.000I don't know what he got per that fight.
02:46:29.000He might get $250,000 to fight and $250,000 to win.
02:46:34.000He might get an additional X amount, whatever his paycheck is, to win.
02:46:39.000So when they have that kind of a pay structure, you're literally getting robbed of half your pay because a judge sucks, or two judges suck.
02:48:42.000So you're like, well, that's a problem.
02:48:43.000Well, that's a good argument for him not getting some fights stopped that were stopped like the Henry Cejudo fight where he felt like it was stopped too soon.
02:49:57.000He's very good at breaking down scenarios and what's happening because he's not just an MMA fighter and not just an analyst, but he also coaches people.
02:51:43.000Well, he does seem to have really turned a corner, where he kind of went from being this guy who was almost falling into a gatekeeper type status, like we start thinking you're a real contender if you can beat Derrick Brunson, to going on this streak now where you're like, ooh, Derrick Brunson is actually really looking like he's putting it all together now.
02:52:13.000That's almost what I meant by that, is that was the fight where we all, like, kind of started realizing how good he was putting it together for MMA. Yeah.
02:52:21.000You know, like, where you're like, oh, wow, and he can really deal...
02:52:45.000It's like, I got two kids now, and I got a career, and got all this stuff, so you're like, look, I can only justify so much time that I'm spending on this, you know?
02:52:53.000And it's like, but there's one, I'm going to pick one, and if I have to pick one, that's like, I'm not going to miss the UFC. Exactly.