In this episode, the boys talk about what it's like to be infected with COID and how it affects your brain, and how to deal with it. They also talk about the weirdest things they've ever done in their lives, and the weird things they would do if they were infected with something like COID. Also, they talk about how to survive a pandemic, and why you should wear a surgical mask to protect your face from COID, because it's a good thing you don't have to wear one to go out in public. This episode was produced by Riley Bray and edited by Alex Blumberg. Our theme song is Come Alone by Suneaters, courtesy of Lotuspool Records. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. We are working on transcribing this episode of the podcast and putting it on a website. Please don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe to our podcast on Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your stuff. Thanks so much for listening, we really appreciate it. Timestamps: 0:00:00 - What are you listening to? 1:30 - What do you think of this episode? 2:40 - What would you do if you were infected by something? 3:00 4:00- What kind of disease are you worried about? 5:00s - How do you feel about it? 6:10 - Is it safe? 7:30s - What should I wear a mask? 8:40s - Why do you need to wear a face shield? 9: How do I wear one? 11:00 | Is it workable? 12:20sick? 13: Does it work? 14:30 | What do I need to be more comfortable? 15:00Sickness? 16:20 - What is your nose pick up? 17:10s - Do you need a mask with a nose pick-up? 18:00 Is it weird? 19:00 + 16: Is it a good idea? 21:40 | What are we going to do with my nose? 22:00 // 15:50s - what do I have a clear thing to protect my face? 25:00 / 16:00/16:00 & 17:00+ 15,000s? 27:00? 26:30
00:03:10.000If you really think you're in contact with something and you want to, like, prevent any kind of infection, he goes, you should have an N95 mask.
00:03:17.000What is he saying about something about the magnetic, something about it?
00:04:35.000But I was getting shitty the other day because I was on the plane and the mask was, because I've been traveling a lot, I was getting a pimple on my nose from wearing a mask on it.
00:04:46.000And I just didn't want a pimple on my nose because who does?
00:04:48.000And so I was just letting it hang down there and just everyone was coming up.
00:05:49.000Not just not in masses, but even the government.
00:05:52.000The people that are in charge of policing.
00:05:54.000The fact that the police didn't say, hey, hey, hey, we're not, the Coast Guard didn't say this, we're not going to go out and arrest a fucking paddleboard of guys.
00:09:37.000I had to fly back to Australia to go to the consulate there to get the thing and stuff, so I'm including all of that, all the bullshittery.
00:09:43.000You had to fly back home, get some paperwork.
00:09:48.000Some people go to Canada or Mexico and just get out of the country and do it there and stuff, but it was just easier for me to go back home.
00:10:25.000Every time I have to DocuSign something, because I just click on this little thing, and it just says my name, and it's not my real signature, but it's like a fake version of my signature.
00:13:49.000You know, the problem with it is, and I've been working with Josh Dubin, who's an ambassador for the Innocence Project.
00:13:55.000There's a real problem with once the ball is in motion, like once you get arrested for a crime and then the prosecuting attorneys and then the defense attorneys get involved and then the DA and there's a game that's going on and the game is the prosecutors are trying to prove you guilty.
00:14:13.000And your defense attorney is trying to prove you innocent.
00:15:17.000First of all, if you lose, then you open yourself up to civil litigation because if someone was wrongly accused and then incarcerated for years, then there's lawsuits and all kinds of crazy shit.
00:19:16.000Well, I remember when I was a kid, I saw two kangaroos having a boxing fight and they were six foot and they were punching each other in the face.
00:19:23.000But what they do is they get on their tails and they put all of their weight onto their tails and they kick and punch.
00:20:04.000It seemed like he had him in there for a good 10 seconds of that video, like he was just toying with him, you know, like the bully at school, like, hey, look at you, like that.
00:20:13.000And then I was looking and seeing if he had been set up or something, like had been tied up to it to start the video or something, but he hadn't.
00:20:20.000And the guy's demeanor and the way that he kind of punched the kangaroo, it seemed very real.
00:22:37.000Camels is the one that I know most of, and I saw a lot of them.
00:22:40.000And they got out of control, and it was a problem and stuff.
00:22:43.000I read somewhere that we sell our camels to Saudi Arabia, because we've got so many of them, which just seems ridiculous, doesn't it?
00:22:49.000Well, that's like Hawaii is the place where everybody gets the palm trees for LA. Like, people think that LA's palm trees are from LA, because you think of Hollywood, you think of palm trees, right?
00:23:24.000And then, you know, I looked into it and stuff and all that.
00:23:26.000Yeah, there's more tigers in captivity in Texas in private collections, like people's backyards, than there are in all of the wild of the world.
00:24:22.000It's fucking weird, because they have different age tigers, and so there's one area where they take you to in the beginning, and this area, this was around Chiang Mai, and in this one area they have baby tigers.
00:24:37.000So you go in this area, and there's little tiger cubs, and they're adorable.
00:24:40.000But they're real fast, and they're moving, and they're looking at you.
00:24:46.000And then you go from that to this other area.
00:24:49.000And in this other area is like a larger tiger.
00:24:53.000It's like a year old or something, maybe a little bit more.
00:24:56.000And in that one, you've got guys with sticks, and they're keeping the tiger away from you.
00:25:01.000You can kind of sit next to him, but people are watching the tiger carefully.
00:25:06.000Isn't it funny, the safety precautions in places like Thailand or Indonesia or something, and they just go, it's fine, I've got this stick, it'll be alright.
00:25:13.000Yeah, there's a zip line, and you climb up this rusty ladder.
00:26:51.000Because people are, like, they call it the land of smiles, or the land of smiling people, I forget what they say, but it's like, God, everyone's so friendly.
00:26:58.000Like, they're really friendly people, and they're not just friendly to tourists, like, friendly to each other.
00:27:38.000Exactly where in Thailand did it start?
00:27:40.000Like, I just wonder, because I know that in Bali, and I'm only saying this because I haven't been to Thailand, but they're very closely related, so things that happen in the main areas of Bali and things that happen out in the hills in the middle is very, very different.
00:27:56.000Very different lifestyle, very different way people act and everything.
00:28:00.000They're all lovely people, but they're working out in the middle in the rice fields and stuff, and they don't really care about your bintang singlet that you bought on the beach.
00:28:23.000There's a lot of places like that where it's like, you know, it's kind of – it's strange when a lot of your economy is based on people visiting.
00:29:32.000I mean, the pandemic tested the shit out of everything, but in a place where tourism is important, really tested the shit out of it.
00:29:42.000Which is probably one of the main reasons why Florida, which was one of the most tourist-heavy places in America, they were like, fuck it, we're open.
00:30:15.000The first week we were there, I was just watching the news, and there was an alligator chasing people around a Wendy's parking lot that was down the street from us.
00:32:34.000Like a great white versus that 20-footer?
00:32:36.00020-footer shark versus 20-footer crocodile?
00:32:39.000In the water, I would think that the shark would have a big advantage.
00:32:43.000Well, you know what the crocodiles do is they do the crocodile roll, which is they grab you by their teeth like that and then roll down and down and down and down and then they go to the bottom and put a rock on top of you and let you die there and then they come back and get you when you're nice and rotten for them.
00:34:05.000And More Plates, More Dates, though, the YouTube page did a whole takedown of, not a takedown, but again, an examination of this guy's claims that he's natural and that what he's, you know, is like living off the nine pillars of health and sustainability or whatever the fuck it is, like liver and testicles and drinking blood.
00:34:55.000Maybe you're getting too much protein if you're eating a giant steak and it's cooked well.
00:34:59.000But as far as bioavailability, they think that human beings cooking meat is one of the things that led to our evolution, that helped our evolution along because we had more protein access.
00:41:12.000Is that Ripley's Believe It or Not or something hilarious?
00:41:14.000I wonder if that's a real guy in there, like a skeleton.
00:41:18.000Did you know there was a Buddha statue once, and they found out that it was actually a mummified Buddha that they had covered with a statue?
00:41:26.000They did an x-ray on this thing, and inside of it is like an actual Buddha guy, like an actual yogi who was in a lotus position.
00:42:04.000Could you pull back up to the images again?
00:42:06.000So is a monk, a mummified monk inside an ancient Buddha statue, which is wild, man, because I don't know what the statue's made of, but it looks like, is it like pottery?
00:42:36.000Amsterfoort has plenty of experience treating senior citizens, but none as old as the 1,000-year-old patient who came, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:42:43.000Researchers brought a millennium-old statue of the Buddha, which had been on loan from the Drents Museum in the Netherlands to the state-of-the-art hospital in the hopes that the modern medical technology could shed light on an ancient mystery.
00:42:58.000For hidden inside the gold-painted figure was a secret, the mummy of a Buddhist monk in a lotus position, shown outside of China for the first time last year.
00:43:16.000Oh, they sampled the material for DNA, it said.
00:43:19.000Huggerman slid an ancient artifact slowly into a high-tech imaging machine for a full-body CT scan and sampled bone material for DNA testing.
00:43:48.000Used a specially designed endoscope to extract samples from the mummy's chest and abdominal cavities.
00:43:55.000Now it's known the tests have revealed a surprise.
00:43:57.000The monk's organs had been removed and replaced with scraps of paper printed with ancient Chinese characters and other rotted materials since has not been identified.
00:44:07.000How the organs had been taken from the mummy remains a mystery.
00:44:22.000The body inside the statue is thought to be that of the Buddhist master Liu Quan, a member of the Chinese meditation school who died around A.D. 1100. How did Liu Quan's body end up inside...
00:44:52.000The practice of self-mummification amongst Buddhist monks was most common in Japan but occurred elsewhere in Asia, including China, as described in Ken Jeremiah's book, Living Buddhas.
00:45:04.000Monks interested in self-mummification spent upwards of a decade following a special diet that gradually starved their bodies and enhanced their chances of preservation.
00:46:38.000But that was like a thing that they would make these images of the Buddha in this state where he was apparently probably going through that thing.
00:47:08.000It represents the six-year period of renunciation that the Buddha practiced from age 20 to 36, approximately 446 to 440 B.C., Based on traditional Indian, especially Saramana,
00:47:25.000belief in self-mortification, before he realized the futility of extreme asceticism and renounced it as well when he was on the verge of dying, So he wised up.
00:47:39.000So the Buddha did the same thing those monks did, and he was like, what the fuck am I doing?
00:50:59.000And he just decided at one point in time that he wanted to go to this Buddhism, this Buddhist temple to learn Buddhism and to...
00:51:10.000He wanted to get control over his mind because he got very nervous during sparring and got very nervous when it came time for training and competing.
00:52:54.000Well, you're supposed to think about it constantly, even though it doesn't necessarily make sense.
00:53:01.000And the idea is that through that, you somehow or another achieve enlightenment by focusing on this one thing over and over and over and over again.
00:53:09.000Maybe that's some sort of a brain hack.
00:53:13.000But I remember I was a kid at the time when he did this.
00:53:16.000I was probably 16, something like that.
00:54:47.000He wasn't that, but he seemed like he was on this path, and this path provided him some sort of clarity or some peace in his life that he seemed was worth sacrificing.
00:55:04.000He didn't have sex, and we were joking around with him about that.
00:56:17.000And one of the things that these guys look forward to is the wintertime when they become trappers and they go to these cabins that they have in the woods and they love it that they're alone.
00:56:28.000And it's just them and their dogs and they're just alone in the woods.
00:56:48.000If I'm working on the road, it's a full weekend of, you know, I'm in the hotel room, I'm in the airport by myself, I usually just...
00:56:56.000I like sitting there sometimes and listening to some music and just watching people and seeing how they move around and interact and stuff, and it's interesting.
00:57:04.000Do you get material from that, you think?
00:57:07.000Sometimes, but more so it just kind of relaxes me a little bit.
00:57:12.000This sounds stupid, but if I go into a shopping center or something and sit in the food court and just put music on and just kind of watch people, it kind of makes me happy with humanity because people are smiling and happy and enjoying each other's company and stuff,
00:58:20.000And I was standing there making sure the sets didn't fall down, and they were filming, and he stood right next to me, and he went, Hello, how are you?
00:59:18.000Bruce Wayne Batman is kind of like Kurt Cobain.
00:59:21.000Because he's massively famous but he doesn't really want to be and he wants to be this other person and he's battling with two sides of himself, Kurt Cobain was, and so is Batman and Bruce Wayne.
00:59:32.000And so he brought that into the movie.
00:59:34.000They use the Nirvana song that I've completely forgotten right now.
00:59:39.000But they did so well and brought that into the character of Batman.
00:59:44.000I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Robert Pattinson is the best Batman.
01:02:20.000I think critics are like, get the fuck out of here.
01:02:23.000He seems like a guy, and this is just a guess, that the whole fame thing and the stardom thing was just too many RPMs, and he just fucking blew a gasket.
01:02:34.000I think he was probably a potential guest before that as well.
01:02:39.000I think he's just a high-octane sort of, you know, powerful dude.
01:04:17.000Also, it's not a true representation of a struggling comedian because she's got money and a family and cooking dinner and then going out to a show in her nice dress and stuff.
01:04:49.000Isn't that funny as a comedian when you see actors try and play comedians and they're just doing it wrong and you're like, oh, that's not at all it.
01:05:02.000Was the didn't Robert De Niro do one and I don't know if it was good I'm just asking cuz I think he did one in a talk show host But he did a crazy person.
01:05:13.000Yeah, it was a comedian Yeah, I thought it was called the comedian or something wasn't it?
01:05:17.000Well, he did one where he played a crazy talk show host or a guy who's like a wannabe Like he had like a cable access show or something like that the king of comedy.
01:05:27.000Oh, there you go That's the crazy one and that one he was a real nut And then there was another one that he did, I think later, where he played a comedian.
01:05:39.000I think that was like older in his life.
01:08:02.000And also, like, he hosted that show for so long that I'm sure he has, like, a bunch of people that knew him before they even were on the show.
01:08:12.000They knew the show, so when they were writing for him.
01:08:14.000Like, if you had to write for, like, certain comedians, you could kind of, like, Donnell Rawlings, you could write for his voice.
01:08:25.000I thought it would be funny to have a comedy club where you go up and do, like I would do jokes in Bill Burr's voice or something like that, just for fun, because it would be so great.
01:11:07.000Disco was happening and like it was a different world yeah different world like to look at that through the context of today and to say it sucks like Look you could say that about Lenny Bruce who we both think is amazing Lenny Bruce is the reason why you and I can do comedy today He's the first guy to step through the door and he prior No,
01:11:27.000Pryor came afterwards, and Pryor took what Lenny Bruce was doing and made it even better.
01:13:51.000Whenever they do those biopics of Lincoln, I'm like, bitch, you were not there when Lincoln was talking.
01:13:57.000If you want to do the Gettysburg Address, that's one thing.
01:13:59.000But if you want to do some other stuff where you're making up Lincoln talking to his kids or talking to his mom, you don't know if he said that.
01:14:38.000You know, sorry, but Quentin Tarantino, one of his favorite directors was my uncle, and Quentin wrote the obituary for my uncle to read out at his funeral.
01:15:31.000Seven-year-old cousins, Emmeline Elva Josephson and Richard Glenn Cohan, survive a shipwreck and find themselves marooned on a beautiful island somewhere in their Pacific Ocean.
01:16:46.000They're trapped because it's the difference between your actual opinion and the opinion that you want to project because you want to be a part of a clan.
01:18:28.000It's not just that these are ideologies.
01:18:31.000They're ideologies that are attached to tech companies.
01:18:34.000And they get involved in the censorship with social media platforms.
01:18:39.000So like the Babylon Bee just got their account suspended on Twitter because they said that Rachel Levine is the man of the year.
01:18:48.000Rachel Levine is the guy, well, was a guy, excuse me, became a woman, and then became the first female, like, multi-star admiral in the, let's see, I don't want to fuck this up.
01:19:19.000The Babylon Bee story was a reaction to USA Today's naming of Levine, who is the U.S. Assistant Secretary for Health and for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services as one of its Women of the Year last week.
01:20:16.000I think if we're going to be really inclusive, meaning you're going to accept people across the board for whoever they are, whatever they do, No matter what, which I think we should.
01:20:28.000You should be able to joke about things, too.
01:20:30.000And if you can't joke that someone used to be a man, if you're not even allowed to talk about it anymore, now it's forbidden.
01:20:36.000And get in trouble for even questioning it.
01:21:17.000First of all, you've gone through your entire puberty.
01:21:21.000You've gone through years and years of your body producing testosterone, which strengthens your tendons, your ligaments, your joints, your muscles, and all that.
01:21:31.000There's a lot of variables that are in favor of someone who goes through puberty and then transitions to a woman when it comes to athletic events.
01:22:27.000But when it comes to sports, when you're talking about physical performance, there's a reason why we have male categories and female categories.
01:22:37.000And when it's demonstrated that someone who is very recently a male has a significant advantage over the opponents to the point where they're breaking records, maybe that's not fair.
01:25:16.000And maybe some of them are even lesbians, right?
01:25:18.000And so they are not much different than a male who has a wife.
01:25:23.000And if they don't have children, they don't adopt children, they don't have additional responsibilities that might take them away from the game.
01:25:29.000I think there's an issue with testosterone, and I think the way they describe it is, first of all, there's women that are way better than me, that's for sure.
01:25:53.000I mean, there's only one woman that I know of that was so elite that she was capable of beating almost any man on any given day.
01:26:01.000And that's this woman named Jean Baloukas.
01:26:04.000And that was in, I want to say that was in the late 70s, early 80s.
01:26:09.000And she's known as, like, in the pool world, people think of Jean Belucca as the same way they think of, like, say, Muhammad Ali or something like that.
01:26:18.000In terms of, like, a female version of, like, a truly exceptional player.
01:32:03.000I'm in the middle of rereading Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers book.
01:32:08.000And that's one of the things that he discusses in that book, is the amount of time that someone spends on something.
01:32:15.000And they talk about Bill Gates and his access to the computers at the University of Seattle in Washington, or the University of Washington, Seattle, whichever one it is, where he had access to the computer lab, and he was coding at a very young age.
01:32:27.000So by the time he got to college, he was super advanced.
01:32:42.000I mean, Formula One drivers, you have to start when you're a kid doing go-karts.
01:32:46.000And you have to have money in your family to go in the go-karting circuit.
01:32:49.000So that's going to take out a lot of people that could potentially be awesome race car drivers because they just don't have the time, the money.
01:33:00.000Casey Stoner was a massively successful racer for Australia, but his family, actually another family, came in and bankrolled him to be this success from a young age.
01:33:12.000If you don't have that, you're just not going to have the time and the tools and the repetitiveness to...
01:33:28.000I've read it before, but I read it years ago, and I'm getting back into it again now.
01:33:32.000I read it before Malcolm had come on the podcast back in the day, but I'm really getting into it again for a second time because I've been really thinking about this a lot lately.
01:33:40.000I've been thinking about what makes people great at things and what is it about obsession and time spent.
01:33:46.000And one of the things that I'm really getting into is the Beatles because they talked about their days in Hamburg where they would play eight hours a day.
01:33:55.000And they would play other people's music.
01:34:00.000And the people that knew them from Liverpool said that they come back from the Hamburg experience like a fucking completely different band.
01:34:46.000The three on Saturdays are weird, because you don't know what the fuck you've already talked about by the time it's like the midnight show, and it's 1.15 in the morning.
01:34:53.000But that's when the best stuff comes out, because your head's going, if I said, say something else, and just go down another rickety road.
01:34:59.000Isn't that the best feeling, though, when you've done maybe a month of just solid shows, and you are in shape, and you're just like a weapon, and then you maybe go back to the comedy store, and you're so fit.
01:35:10.000I did a tour with Charlie Murphy and John Heffron once.
01:35:14.000We did this Bud Light Real Men of Comedy tour.
01:35:18.000And dude, we did 22 shows in a month and we traveled everywhere.
01:35:21.000It was one of those things where I'd wake up and I'd look at the ceiling of the hotel room and I'm like, where am I? I just did that last week, so I had no idea where I was.
01:37:15.000Either way, we were in the Bulls locker room.
01:37:19.000And everyone would think that, Joe, you have a massive entourage in anything, and no.
01:37:24.000It was the three of us, as soon as that door closes, and whoever's hanging on and annoying us goes, and it's the three of us just farting around and being funny, and we're about to go perform for 20,000 people, and Santino's like going, are you nervous and poking me?
01:37:40.000And then you're going, yeah, have a shot of whiskey.
01:41:53.000And Dunbar's number, yeah, because the idea is that our brains evolved in tribal environments.
01:41:59.000In that human beings for thousands and thousands of years lived in these small groups of people, these small bands of people, and we had to know intimately the people that were around us.
01:42:07.000And it was mostly like, you know, 50 people, 100 people.
01:42:11.000And you can only keep like a certain amount.
01:42:13.000Whatever the number is, if it gets to like 150, 250 people, you lose it.
01:42:17.000Like, I have 500 plus fighters in my head.
01:42:22.000Just fighters that I have to juggle around because I commentate on their fights and I have to know their styles and watch their performances and evaluate their skill sets.
01:42:33.000Yeah, but you're very interested in something.
01:42:35.000I'd imagine that your capacity to maintain that level of names and stuff might be more if you're really interested in it.
01:42:42.000It's probably more than the average person just because of the sheer force of will of memorizing all these things and forcing these things.
01:42:51.000Here's a little more detail on something I haven't heard when we talked about that.
01:42:54.000According to the theory, the Titus Circle has just five people.
01:42:59.000That's followed by successive layers of 15. Good friends, 50 friends, 150 meaningful contacts, 500 acquaintances, and 1,500 people you can recognize.
01:43:17.000But the idea is that space has to be carved out for any new entrance.
01:43:23.000Dunbar isn't sure why these layers of numbers are all multiples of five, but says this number five does seem to be fundamental to monkeys and apes in general.
01:43:33.000Of course, all of these numbers really represent range.
01:43:36.000Extroverts tend to have a larger network and spread themselves more thinly across their friends, while introverts concentrate on smaller pool of thick contacts.
01:43:46.000And women generally have slightly more contacts within the closest layers.
01:44:42.000Everyone's attention gets drawn to you.
01:44:45.000I don't know if that's being extrovert, but it's just you've got that energy and that flow in the room that everyone's like, I wonder what he has to say about that type thing.
01:49:58.000But a lot of them had problems because it was so easy to get paid in Coke.
01:50:03.000It's funny when you go to the back store of the comedy store and there's that mirrored piano thing and you just want to know who was there and what had happened.
01:50:13.000Kinnison for sure did coke off that table.
01:51:10.000I feel like sometimes when my friends, like I said, I've got very funny friends, but it's like playing tennis with someone who's not quite as good as you.
01:51:17.000And then once you play tennis against comedians and it's just back, back, back, back, and you're just like, oh, this is fun.
01:51:22.000Well, it's also just they accept the crazy in you, you know, where some people just, they have HR breathing down their neck and they live in an office environment and they don't get a lot of fun, crazy, loose people.
01:51:37.000We have all, everyone we know is crazy.
01:51:40.000Like, all of our friends are out of their fucking minds.
01:51:43.000It's just so fun that everything is a joke.
01:53:21.000I have worked with him a few times at the Vulcan, but the way the Vulcan is set up, the green room is so far away from the stage, and then we have the TV on in the green room so you can watch the set, but it's hard to hear because everyone's talking and shooting the shit.
01:53:33.000But back there, we were right next to the stage, so we got to hear all of it.
01:53:57.000And he's a guy that, you know, went through that shit where he was gonna get on Saturday Night Live, and then they dug up some old podcasts of crazy things that he had said.
01:57:37.000I heard birds and then Biden can't hear.
01:57:40.000There's a thing that they think happens when someone hangs around a schizophrenic.
01:57:46.000I think it's in the literature, like psychology literature, where they think that if you go to visit a schizophrenic, if you're susceptible...
01:57:57.000If you're around them for long enough, something happens to you where you fail to recognize, like, their patterns are so screwy that it can infect the way you think and behave.
01:58:12.000And there's been people that went to visit schizophrenic relatives that wound up being locked up themselves.
01:58:32.000Well, it makes sense in the sense that the people that you hang around with are critical to your well-being.
01:58:38.000Like, if you hang around with a lot of, like, one of the things I'm very fortunate is that a lot of my friends are very ambitious, and they're very smart, and they're very, like, honest.
01:58:47.000And they'll tell you about their fuck-ups, and they'll tell you...
01:59:13.000And I would think if that's the case, then the opposite has to be true, too.
01:59:16.000If you hang out with a bunch of bitter losers who are just bitching and pissing and moaning about other people's success and other people saying, you know, what about me?
01:59:24.000It's called reality TV. But that shit, I think that wears on people.
01:59:29.000And I think that affects people's behavior patterns.
01:59:31.000I think if you're around crazy people too much, you can probably absorb some of their thinking and it probably fucks with your patterns because I think we are creatures of community.
01:59:42.000And if you're in a bad community, if you're in a community of bitter people or of jealous people or angry people, you absorb some of that.
01:59:51.000And if you're around crazy people, I bet you absorb that too.
01:59:54.000I find I start to talk with a certain cadence of the person that I'm with a little bit sometimes.
02:00:09.000So a shared psychotic disorder is a rare type of mental illness in which a healthy person starts to take on the delusions of someone who has a psychotic disorder such as schizophrenia.
02:00:19.000For example, let's say your spouse has a psychotic disorder and as a part of that illness believes aliens are spying on them.
02:02:23.000And people were really concerned that we were going to have...
02:02:25.000I think that was probably even closer then than it was now.
02:02:29.000Because according to Oliver Stone, when I had him on the podcast, he said there were generals that were advocating for a first strike.
02:02:37.000And they were talking about acceptable losses and millions of people that we could attack Russia and attack China and that we would blow up a bunch of places and that we would lose a few cities.
02:02:52.000You've got to think, and this is a conversation that I had with Mike Baker the other day, who was a former CIA operative, and I was saying that if someone's willing to kill as many people as Putin has killed in Ukraine, like how many people have died there?
02:04:03.000People are scared as fuck, and there's all these different narratives.
02:04:08.000There's a narrative that Ukraine is filled with Nazis, and that the government's fucking gaslighting us, and that Ukraine is filled with heroes, and that the Russians are awful, and then there's many people that think, well...
02:04:21.000We, you know, we're to blame and NATO's to blame because they're trying to get Ukraine to join NATO and then he'll have nuclear weapons in Ukraine pointing at Russia.
02:04:30.000There's like, there's so many narratives going on right now that it's really difficult to sort through what's right and what's wrong, but it's fucking terrifying, that's for sure.
02:04:39.000And Putin seems like, he seems like the most ruthless As far as outside of China, we know that China does a lot of ruthless shit, but Putin, in terms of the way he gets rid of his political opponents,
02:04:54.000the way he gets rid of journalists that go after him, he just fucking mercs people.
02:05:01.000And he's been that way for a long time, right?
02:05:05.000He's run the country since 99, and he used to be a KGB guy, which is like, you know, during the fucking Soviets, during the Cold War, during that era, like, who knows what that guy was involved with?
02:05:27.000It's fucking terrifying when you really think about it, but I don't know.
02:05:31.000It's more terrifying the way Mike Baker was explaining it to me.
02:05:34.000Because he was saying we used to think of it in terms of mutually assured destruction, and that was the thing that kept us from attacking Russia and kept them from attacking us because we would blow each other up.
02:05:43.000But he's saying now with these hypersonic weapons, it's not mutually assured destruction because they could incapacitate the United States instantaneously.
02:07:22.000If I go to a restaurant, I'm still in a position where I look at the price of things on the menu and I go, I can't do that, I can't do that.
02:08:43.000Well, I was with Marc Delgrate once, and we ordered a bottle of wine from 1972. We were at this Italian restaurant, and we were like, fuck it, let's have some great wine.
02:08:54.000And they send over Somalia, and I'm like, what do you got that's really good?
02:08:59.000And this was the wrong place to ask this at, because it was one of those places that keeps 50-year-old bottles of wine.
02:09:30.000My mate went to a wine tasting snob event and he took the Trader Joe's two buck chuck thing, but he took the label off and he said, it's just a clean skin from, he said, it's just from Australia.
02:10:45.000So I go to this place, and there's these guys.
02:10:48.000They all bring these boxes, like felt-lined boxes with wine in them.
02:10:53.000You know, so they open up these crates, and they pull out the bottles, and they have offerings, like, you know, Eddie brought this, and Mike brought that, and Sally brought this.
02:11:02.000And so they have these wines, and they would...
02:11:05.000It was a very nice restaurant, so they'd bring out these small plates of food, and each plate, these eight plates, would come with a flight of wines.
02:11:13.000So you'd have a little bit of this, a little bit of that, and then they would tell you what this was.
02:11:18.000This was a blah, blah, blah from Bordeaux, and then they would...
02:12:09.000Well, he went to jail for a long fucking time.
02:12:11.000And this guy made millions and millions of dollars and did this with thousands and thousands of bottles of wine.
02:12:19.000It's a fascinating, fascinating documentary because one of the things it reveals in the documentary is that these people can't really tell what's great and what's not great.
02:12:29.000And that this one guy who had this amazing palate, I forget what his name was, but he had this amazing ability to like...
02:12:38.000Sense like what the essence of these very expensive wines were and recreate it with cheap wines.
02:12:44.000So we'd add a little bit of these like a chemist.
02:12:46.000So he's in his fucking studio city house with like stacks of labels and old bottles he buy old bottles and And he would mix this stuff together to try to make a reasonable facsimile of whatever this exceptionally expensive wine was.
02:14:00.000So those are fake bottles that Rudy had created.
02:14:05.000And one of the companies, one of the wine producers, one of the vineyards, they had seen in Sotheby's, they were auctioning off wine.
02:14:15.000And they had seen that there was labels of wines from their vineyard that they had never produced.
02:14:21.000And so they got involved with it as well.
02:14:23.000And when the Koch brothers had realized they had gotten taken, they started severely investigating and looking deep into this.
02:14:32.000And they found that this guy had done this with so many bottles of wine that there was literally thousands of them out there that were counterfeit that had been sold for untold amounts of money.
02:14:44.000And he's just making him in his underpants in Studio City.
02:14:54.000And his brother was involved in some banking scam where he had bilked people out of fucking millions of dollars.
02:15:03.000And his brother took off and vanished with millions and millions of dollars.
02:15:08.000And then this guy winds up going to jail for...
02:15:11.000For selling millions and millions of dollars of fake wines.
02:15:14.000And then gets out and they fucking kick him out of the country recently.
02:15:17.000He got out and they kicked him out and now he's over there and he is, you know, presumably someone has the money.
02:15:24.000And they don't know like where all the money went and how it was distributed and also he had to have help.
02:15:30.000There was other part of the film where they were speculating how many people had to be involved to create this many, like this guy couldn't have done this all in his apartment, make these thousands and thousands of bottles of wine.
02:15:42.000So at the end of the film, they're destroying this wine that's worth fucking untold amounts of money people bought it for.
02:15:50.000But they don't know how much he had in distribution that's just out there in these private collections.
02:15:55.000Because at one point in the film, one guy says, This is a bottle that Rudy sold me, and this is one of the real ones before he was selling fake wine.
02:16:04.000Because what Rudy was doing in the beginning was he was going to auctions and he was buying the most expensive wines.
02:16:10.000So he was spending probably the brother's money when the brother was the thief.
02:16:52.000So in 2019, the government seized 2.1 million worth of wine that this guy, Kurniawan, that's Rudy, had stored at the wine cellarage in New York City.
02:17:04.000But Vasquez listed a lot of other wines owned by, I don't know how to say his last name, that the auction house Christie's, it's not Sotheby's, sorry, Christie's was holding out of reach of the U.S. government.
02:17:48.000I think it's funny just because these wankers talking about the tannins in their wine and this one's worth way more and this guy's just like, yeah, fucking put this label on and charge them that for it.
02:17:58.000Well, this guy was really good at it, man.
02:18:36.000He's like, Rudy had an incredible palate.
02:18:38.000And he had this ability to recognize...
02:18:40.000There are some people, allegedly, I'm not sure this is real.
02:18:44.000This might be like the fucking Chinese death touch.
02:18:47.000But there were some people, you know, like Kung Fu death, where they pretend they can, and people go flying.
02:18:51.000He goes, there's some people that you can open up a bottle of wine, they can sip it, and they can throw it around their mouth, and they can tell you what part of the world it's from, what vineyard it's from.
02:19:02.000Like, they have an exceptional palate.
02:19:57.000Do you remember I gave you a bottle of Penfolds Grange at the Comedy Store one night?
02:20:02.000I was across the road at what is considered like the Australian Oscars, whatever that is, and they were serving all this fancy Australian wine.
02:20:12.000Penfolds Grange is, I don't know, maybe it's $400, $600 a bottle, I'm not sure.
02:20:16.000And I thought, I'm going to try and get one for Joe, because I'd done some shows with you out here, and I just wanted to give you something nice.
02:20:23.000And I said to the bartender, can I have a bottle of the grains?
02:20:38.000And so I grabbed it and I put it down in my suit, in my pants, and I casually walked out of the Australian Oscars, you know, straight-legged.
02:20:46.000And I went across the road and gave it to you.
02:21:48.000But I think more than that, what it really is, is that you're eating something or drinking something that is so forbidden that it's an animal that's on the verge of extinction.
02:21:58.000And so if you are one of these people that has, like, a fucking billion-dollar yacht, and you're driving a Bugatti, and you have a party, and you're like, we're going to serve rhino horn tea, like...
02:22:48.000And one of the guys on the boat told me that this fish, back in the day, if you had that fish and you weren't in the royal family, if you caught that fish, you had to give it to the royal family.
02:22:59.000If they caught you eating that fish, they would behead you.
02:23:02.000The Royal Family of Hawaii, not the British Royal Family.
02:23:05.000The Royal Family of Hawaii, back when Hawaii was its own country, which was until the 1950s.
02:24:28.000Because they're not written down, they're not studied, and these people are going to die off and their language is going to die off with them.
02:24:34.000But there's a lot of people trying still to hold on, but it's just, I mean, it's hard because there is so many different dialects and stuff like that.
02:24:42.000There's a whole area in Australia called Arnhem Land that's protected and you can't go in there unless you're indigenous Aboriginal and they live back the way they used to and stuff.
02:24:51.000Isn't that where they have all those Asiatic water buffaloes, those giant water buffaloes there?
02:24:55.000Ooh, I haven't heard of that, but probably.
02:25:12.000There's, in fact, in the LA studio, and I'm going to bring it back soon, there's a giant buffalo skull that Adam gave me that was above the American flag in my old studio.
02:29:54.000Yeah, I had alligator and emu and camel and something else when I was in Alice Springs, which is where Uluru is, you know, the big rock in Australia.
02:31:10.000I've been there, and it's one of those places that you go...
02:31:14.000I've been to Niagara Falls and stuff like that and you get this sense of just a history of the earth and something's happened, something's happened, you don't know what it is, whether it's a meteor that's gone and stuck into the earth or whatever it is, but you know something great happened at one stage.
02:31:30.000Somewhere in the history of the earth?
02:31:32.000Yeah, you can just feel a presence, like a real earthy...
02:34:16.000I don't want to get it wrong and in trouble, but the one that I kind of remember is that they gathered all the criminals and stuff at the time, back hundreds of thousands of years ago or something, and they dropped a big rock on them to keep them under there.
02:34:29.000It says it's been a significant landmark to Aboriginal people since the beginning.
02:34:33.000The natural landmark is thought to have been formed by ancestral beings during the dreaming.
02:34:39.000According to the local Aboriginal people, Uluru's numerous caves and fissures were all formed due to ancestral beings' actions in the dreaming.
02:34:58.000So they have a different thought of what dream time is?
02:35:01.000They believe it's when you go into the dream time and you're asleep, it's a place in between this world and the afterlife, and you can meet people in this dream time in sleep, and you can heal them and stuff like that.
02:37:29.000And so I went out and I got in a car and I drove around and then I got in the air and I flew myself to New York and I was flying around buildings in New York.
02:37:38.000And then I think that's all I can really remember.
02:37:41.000And I woke up and I told the guy this and he...
02:37:46.000Like, only a very small percentage of people can lucid dream and then a very, very small can control that and actually have control within the dream.
02:37:53.000You can control parts, but not everything.
02:37:58.000And you've always been able to do this?
02:38:00.000Since I was 13. I remember the first time that I did it at my grandma's place and I woke up and went, oh my god.
02:38:05.000Does this happen every time you sleep?
02:38:07.000Not every time because sometimes I just don't dream or something or I don't think about it and I wake up and it's not like I write it down in my dream journal.
02:38:16.000But I'd say 90% of the time, yes, I do.
02:40:06.000I wonder if there's like a study they could do on you.
02:40:09.000They could do plenty of studies on me, but I don't think it's a good idea.
02:40:12.000I think if they sat you down in a sleep study and examined what is happening during your brain, and if you could wake up and go, yes, I was lucid dreaming, this is what I did, I wonder if they could see the activity.
02:40:38.000For people who weren't listening to that episode, Mike has night terrors.
02:40:42.000And he had a night terror where he had family stand over his house.
02:40:46.000He runs out naked and climbs over the neighbor's fence.
02:40:49.000And now, granted, this is not just a regular person.
02:40:52.000This is a former UFC middleweight champion of the world who's fucking savage, who's out there screaming naked, climbing the neighbor's fence.
02:41:02.000And it wakes up in the middle of it and realizes what he's done.
02:41:08.000I've done that, but I have my boxer shorts on.
02:41:23.000What if I step on broken glass and I'm running around like a fucking maniac?
02:41:27.000That's a thing, though, that night terrors, where people just run out and smash through windows and shit and get cut up and don't realize what happened to them.
02:41:34.000There's been stories of people jumping out of windows and really hurting themselves and stuff.
02:41:40.000The bad thing about, well, not the bad thing, but sometimes it happens when I've, let's say I've been out, and I haven't done it in a while, but a whole weekend of partying and stuff, and I'm quite hungover in my, you know, when your brain's not working properly and stuff, and then I think,
02:42:39.000I had a t-shirt a while back that was Young Man on Acid.
02:42:42.000Bill Hicks is one of those comedians that I kind of missed just in my entry to comedy and being in Australia and not knowing him and I know from the stories.
02:44:11.000I know he died in the 90s because I knew his girlfriend and I was living in New York and so this was like 93 and she was a comic and I did a gig with her In Connecticut,
02:44:28.000and we were talking about it, and it was a real bummer for her.
02:44:32.000They had already broken up and everything like that, but she knew him back in the day, and I remember at the time, it was a weird connection.
02:44:42.000I had seen him, I saw him bomb one time, hard, to the point where he cleared the room, and he never lost confidence.
02:45:53.000I mean, look, people shot at people at the store.
02:45:56.000There used to be a bullet hole in the back sign in the back parking lot because Kinison was mad at Dice Clay and he shot a fucking hole through the sign.
02:51:06.000He has a gold elevator in the center of the house, and the construction worker was like, The construction was like, well, a lot of people like to hide their elevators.
02:54:09.000So I first came to California in 94. So you've got to think, 99. So Kid Rock has been balling out of control since, let's say 2000. Let's just say 22 years of doing arenas.
02:54:22.000Each arena, he's getting a piece of the bar.
02:56:39.000And he apparently, according to him, he had some match with a world champion sumo wrestler back in the day for fun, and he fucked his neck up, like throwing this guy outside of the ring.
02:56:54.000But he actually defeated some world champion sumo wrestler.
02:57:50.000Who, you know, maybe knows some other martial arts outside of judo, like sumo, or rather outside of sumo, like judo or something like that.
02:57:58.000Have you ever been to a sumo wrestling match?
03:00:54.000And they had Minotauro Noguera, who was arguably the best heavyweight jiu-jitsu fighter of all time, who was their champion at one point in time, too.
03:01:02.000And at one point in time, Noguera fought Bob Sapp.
03:01:11.000He was one of the biggest guys I've ever seen in my fucking life.
03:01:15.000Sorry, I'm trying to clear my throat with the cough button.
03:01:19.000And Bob Sapp pile-drived him and fucked up Noguera's neck essentially for the rest of his life.
03:01:25.000He had neck problems for a long time after that because Bob Sapp picked him up and Noguera's like 240. Bob Sapp picks him up and pile-drives him.
03:03:19.000But Noguera is so good at jujitsu and was one of the first heavyweights that had a real, legitimate, lethal guard.
03:03:28.000Because a lot of the bigger heavyweight guys, they're more used to being on top.
03:03:32.000Because a big guy like Noguera, you know, in a jiu-jitsu class when he's learning, is more likely to be the guy that winds up on top because he's heavier.
03:04:13.000Because jujitsu was supposed to be the martial art where the smaller, more skillful man could beat a larger, more powerful foe.
03:04:23.000And that was always like what you would think martial arts should be, like in the Bruce Lee movies.
03:04:28.000But in reality, big guys most of the time fuck up small guys.
03:04:33.000Until jujitsu came along and when Hoyce Gracie showed in the early days of the UFC was that jujitsu was so technical and there was so much advantage in knowing jujitsu.
03:05:30.000There was still a lot, because after Hoist Gracie had won the UFC in 1993, jiu-jitsu schools erupted.
03:05:36.000In Southern California, there was a shit ton of them.
03:05:38.000Because when I started jiu-jitsu in 1996, there was Carlson Gracie, there was the Machados, there was Hicks and Gracie, there was Hoist Gracie, and Horian Gracie had a school in Torrance.
03:05:53.000It had already blossomed because it was so effective and because of Hoyce's victory in the early UFCs, it had opened people's eyes to this martial art that was so much more effective in these situations of...
03:06:10.000Like, individual stylists versus individual stylists.
03:06:13.000Like, now everybody knows jujitsu and everybody knows kickboxing, everybody knows Muay Thai, everybody knows everything.
03:06:19.000Like, to be an elite martial artist, you essentially have to know a little bit of everything.
03:06:23.000But back then, these guys were specialists in the early days of the year, like, 93. And the specialists, like these judo guys, thought, I'm going to go beat the jiu-jitsu guy.
03:06:32.000And the boxer thought, I'm going to go beat the wrestler.
03:06:35.000And we got a chance to understand what was the best.
03:06:38.000And early on, before people learned jiu-jitsu, jiu-jitsu was king.
03:06:42.000And it was king because of that guy, because of Hoist Gracie.
03:06:45.000And Noguera was a direct descendant of Hoist Gracie in terms of the effectiveness of jiu-jitsu being applied against bigger, stronger foes.
03:06:55.000Do you think most of the UFC fighters these days come from jiu-jitsu backgrounds?
03:07:01.000No, a lot of them come from wrestling.
03:07:02.000Some of the greats come from wrestling.
03:07:15.000It's more about the athlete, what they're capable of doing, their experience, their technique, their strategy, the kind of cardio they have, their ability to implement their game plan.
03:07:26.000It's more that now than it is just one individual style.
03:07:41.000It's such a strange thing that you have to work your ass off and get your face punched in for 10 years before you can even have a chance at going to the UFC and getting on the big stage and making money out of it and stuff.
03:07:54.000There's so many people that just do that sport for...
03:08:40.000If he can maintain this standard of performance as he faces stiffer and stiffer competition, and we'll find out very soon, because he's fighting Gilbert Burns, who's a world champion jiu-jitsu guy, top of the food chain MMA fighter.
03:08:57.000A guy who's been in there against Kamaru Usman, a guy who's beaten guys like Damian Maia, a guy who's beaten Tyron Woodley.
03:09:05.000He's beaten like elite, elite fighters.
03:09:08.000He's a big, big step up in competition for Hamzat.
03:09:12.000But if Chemayev can beat him, if he can beat Gilbert, he's the real deal.
03:09:55.000I would be hated by everyone who loves UFC because I've got to sit next to you and watch the sport and I've got no fucking idea what's going on.
03:11:00.000I remember Mandalay Bay, there was a scene where the entire Mandalay Bay Casino, there's this hallway when you're headed to the Shark Reef.
03:12:55.000Usman is a big man, and he is top of the food chain right now.
03:13:00.000That's the best pound-for-pound fighter alive is Kamaru Usman, and he's a natural 170. You've got to remember, Conor McGregor won the title at 145. Fucking hell, that's small.
03:13:13.000And then he went up to 155, and he knocked out Eddie Alvarez.
03:13:16.000He became the champ champ, so he's concurrent, holding two titles concurrently.
03:13:21.000And then he fought at 170, but he fought Cowboy Cerrone, who's a natural 155-pounder.
03:13:26.000And, you know, no knock on Cowboy, and Cowboy's beat a lot of good 170-pounders.
03:15:31.000It was crazy because you would you would think that Kamara would have an advantage in the fight overall because he's the best and they fought before and he had dominated him in a decision but Masvidal had his moments in the striking but Kamara is so good and so dedicated and his mind is so fucking strong that he got so much better in the striking that he knocked him outstanding in the next fight and And he's still getting better.
03:22:36.000If he can get past Gilbert Burns, and that's a big if, because Gilbert's a big step up, but if he can maintain the level of performance we've seen from him up until now in the octagon, that's a big fight.
03:23:36.000He was in the hospital on multiple occasions.
03:23:39.000More than one time he was in the hospital for COVID. Because he would get better, they let him out of the hospital, and he would train again.
03:23:45.000And then you get back in the hospital, they're like, what the fuck are you doing back here again?