In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, I sit down with one of the founders of a craft distillery, Warbringers, to talk about how they make their single barrel bourbon, the process of brewing and aging a bourbon, and how to get the most out of a single barrel of your own. It's a great episode for anyone who loves a good bourbon and/or a good story, and I hope you enjoy it! If you like the show, please give a five-star rating on Apple Podcasts! Subscribe, Like, and Share to stay up to date with what's going on in the world of J.R.J. and the rest of the J.O.K.E.D. Podcasts. Cheers, Cheers. -Jon Sorrentino and the crew at Warbreaker Distillery Enjoy this episode and tweet me if you like it with any thoughts, questions or suggestions on the show. Timestamps: 5:00 - What's your favorite bourbon? 6:30 - How to make your own whiskey? 7:00 What s your favorite flavor? 8:20 - Whose bourbon is your favorite? 9:00 | Whose whiskey is your favourite? 10:30 | How does it taste better than your own? 11:40 - How does your bourbon taste better? 12:15 - What kind of bourbon do you smoke? 13:30 16:40 17:40 | What are you like to drink? 18: How do you think you're drinking more than one bottle? 19:50 21:00 // 22: What do you like about your own bourbon and what s a good day? 22:20 23: Should you drink your own moonshine? 24:30 // Is it better than yours? 26:00 / 27:00 & 27:30 Is your favorite kind of whiskey ? 29:00 + 32:30 Do you smoke a good one? 35:30 Can I have a glass or glass? 31: Is it good enough? 36:30 & 35:00 Do you want to try it? 32:00 Is there a glass of whiskey that s better than mine? 33:00 Can I drink it with your own glass of bourbon or something like that?
00:00:15.000What's happening is I've wandered into some sort of a strange portal that's transported me here to this wooden, galaxy-filled, I don't know, I mean, bunker, starship.
00:00:29.000It's just a studio, but you brought with you War Master.
00:01:35.000Yes, well what we do is we take, well thank you, we take 75% of our 75% Corn mash bill, and we smoke it in a big shipping container on these racks.
00:02:00.000And then, after three days, we then take all that smoked corn.
00:02:06.000Take it back to the distillery and then we will mill it with the 25% roasted corn out of that 75% corn mash bill and then we mill it with also a 25% malted barley or malted rye and we mix it all together we get our mash going and Then starts the process of fermentation.
00:02:30.000And the company Warbringer, had they been around for a while?
00:02:33.000Did you know them and then you decided to do this with them?
00:03:50.000It takes a lot to get this stuff going.
00:03:53.000It takes a lot of little subtle things, which yeast you're using, you know, how long your fermentation cycle is.
00:03:59.000And then as it all goes to that distillation run, the low wine run, the stripping run is important, but that's pretty much full tilt.
00:04:08.000You're not really looking for anything in particular other than just watching what the level of alcohol you're getting out of it is and what that yield is.
00:04:14.000But then on that second distillation run, where the real juice comes from, You've got to make your cuts at the right place.
00:04:21.000You want to avoid getting a bunch of heads, and you don't want a bunch of tails.
00:04:24.000But you don't want no tails, because some of those volatiles or higher esters will interact in the barrel in ways that come out really pleasant.
00:04:34.000But as you initially taste it, it might put a little what you feel is like some slight taint to what you're doing.
00:04:41.000It's all processed and the thing is you can't rush any of it.
00:04:45.000Is whiskey like wine where you want to let it sit open for a while?
00:05:58.000When the gal was swabbing me, I'm thinking, well, don't try to go up in this one because it's all broken up so bad you can hardly get a swab up that thing.
00:07:00.000It's like if you were a flyweight at 44. Yeah.
00:07:04.000Yeah, the fact that you've probably slowed down quite a bit is going to make a huge difference to you, whereas a heavyweight, the last thing you're going to lose is power.
00:07:14.000And lack of speed is not inherently going to cost you out there in the ring.
00:07:22.000But even at heavyweight, there's not a ton of guys who are 40-plus that were able to...
00:07:30.000Relaunch their career and go out there and win a world title George is really the only one if you really think about he's like the number one, but but even Holyfield is still competitive Although not now obviously that thing now when he did with a V tour was real weird Yes,
00:07:46.000because first of all he took it on short notice, which is a terrible idea when you're almost 60 and Exactly.
00:07:51.000You know, and I know Evander had been training and gearing up for a fight with Mike Tyson, and he, you know, he looked half decent on the mitts, but much better later than he did earlier.
00:08:01.000And you see him early in the first few videos that he posted, it looked like he really hadn't worked out in a while, and it was really knocking the dust off and getting the old engine lubed up again, and Then as time went on, he started looking pretty good.
00:08:15.000But then to take a fight, an actual fight, I think it was like two weeks notice, right?
00:09:54.000I'm trying to think if I've ever had a catheter.
00:09:56.000I think I must have since I've had a few surgeries.
00:10:00.000I have never, other than a roll-on one for doing the Baja 1000. Oh, really?
00:10:06.000Yeah, you just basically put on this little condom, and you take the line, you run it down the side of your leg, and you put it off to the back end and off to the side of your shoe, your boot.
00:10:16.000So that way, when you're driving, a little crack in the floorboard, and if you pee, it just goes out the car.
00:11:00.000You need to realize when you've got to stop.
00:11:02.000Yeah, you've got to know what fun is not necessarily good for you.
00:11:06.000Yeah, you know, it's not necessarily a bad idea if you bring someone home to take a really long, convoluted, complex route so they can't figure out how to get back.
00:11:44.000I mean, MMA and pro wrestling is crazy enough, but no, no.
00:11:48.000I decided that it was probably better for my health and sanity to be with someone that's just plain awesome and calm and is not interested in dropping pins and doing crazy shit.
00:12:31.000Because for a while there, all the bigger guys from Eddie's school were training a lot with me, and I was cornering them on a lot of the things they were doing.
00:12:38.000So I'm sitting there, and I get this call from Bud, and he's like, what are you doing?
00:14:03.000Ours went from Ensenada to, I believe, La Paz.
00:14:08.000It's one off-road shot all the way down there.
00:14:12.000And basically, you're off in the wilderness, in the wilds.
00:14:18.000You can see the remnants of courses and things like that, but some of the stuff just gets made as it goes.
00:14:23.000And there's also a lot of people that do what's called pre-running, so they'll go out there and they'll map out the track and all that, and they will mark all the hazards and they'll get used to it because, you know,
00:14:38.000there's a lot on the line with the Baja 1000. And you have, if you've got the money especially, you'll have a trail team that'll travel down the highways and then can intersect with you at different points to do your driver changeovers.
00:14:55.000You get out there and you're in the middle of nothing.
00:14:59.000And you could be, I remember we jump in the car at four o'clock in the morning, pitch black, lights are on, slap you on the helmet, put your shit on, bye.
00:15:11.000And we're already going 50, 60 miles an hour in the middle of nowhere in brush.
00:15:15.000And I'm looking at a GPS and looking up ahead.
00:15:17.000There's no windshields in any of this stuff because that would just get dirty and then you would get blind.
00:15:21.000So you wear your helmets and you sit on microfiber, Like mitts and things to just clear your face off as bushes, cacti, whatever, dust, dirt, silt is flying through that into the cabin and hitting you.
00:15:37.000You've got electrolyte drinks that are in a little...
00:15:41.000Like a camel setup that you can go and take a drink while you're in the car.
00:15:46.000You've got your catheter set up to urinate.
00:16:21.000I mean, when the sun starts coming up, though, and you're going 30 miles an hour along the side of this rock ridge on this cliff with like a 40-foot drop off to your right, but you're seeing the sunset coming up, the sunrise over the Mexican...
00:17:17.000You hear them before you ever see them.
00:17:19.000And those dudes are going 150 miles an hour.
00:17:24.000I don't know how fast they get, but they're all like 10,000 RPM small blocks and shit just freaking flying.
00:17:31.000And you can hear their engine, and then as they start coming up behind you, they start hitting these sirens and stuff to tell you to get the hell out of the way.
00:19:19.000I think that by being lighter, you're obviously going to have less impact amongst travel because it's going to have less kinetic energy, less weight bearing down on things and releasing and bearing down on it again.
00:19:32.000But to the life of me, maybe they're just really well made.
00:20:01.000And I met him through Bud, again, doing Optima Ultimate Streetcar Invitational when I competed over there at SEMA. Bud is a successful television producer with a beautiful wife and family and risks his fucking life every year for a goof.
00:22:40.000Say if Josh had a charger, they would steal his charger, and then they would do it all up, and then bring you somewhere under false pretenses, and then unveil your new car.
00:22:50.000Well, in this case, they didn't do any of the stealing.
00:22:56.000Oh, hey, Dan, the UFC, the magazine, is going to do this photo shoot on me, and they would love it if I could bring, like, a muscle car or something, so could we use your Firebird?
00:23:14.000And so I'm standing there with—it's me and Ariane, and at this moment— Bud or whoever is directing the photo shoot, he just goes, alright, and action!
00:23:25.000And Ariane throws like a whole bucket of red paint all over the car, and then I swing a sledgehammer through the front windshield.
00:25:03.000Andreas a little bit on some of the other touches and me and Chip sat down to do just the rough outlining and designing about what kind of a car in terms of purpose we wanted to build out of it.
00:26:36.000But in terms of what's the fucking point, at SEMA this year, there's always some trend that is...
00:26:45.000Trash, in my opinion, that always seems like maybe it got started in an interesting way and then it just like runs the gamut of just every copycat version of it that's just like, oh God, we don't need any more of this.
00:26:57.000This year, or last year I guess, it was turning your classic car electric.
00:27:10.000I'm just like, why would you take the soul and spirit out of a machine And replace and make it even more material, more mechanical, and less engaging.
00:27:24.000And then it's so bad now that even with EVs for all kinds of aspects, there's people selling you, I don't know how they put it together, but it's a thing that makes car noises for you.
00:28:05.000What do they do with their fake noises?
00:28:07.000I guess they just add that to the rest of other fake shit that they're doing in their life and the way that they're doing things and, you know, hunky-dory.
00:28:15.000BMW started doing that back in the day with their turbocharged engines.
00:28:20.000They started pumping in fake exhaust note through your stereo.
00:29:18.000No, I actually sold my SRT 8 Challenger and replaced it with a diesel GLK Mercedes SUV. And I was so proud when I put a trailer hitch on it.
00:29:30.000I'm like, you know I've turned a fucking new leaf.
00:29:32.000When I'm like, hey, look, it's a diesel and I've got a trailer hitch.
00:29:38.000But at the same time, I'm still, like, with Victor Henry, who you just saw in UFC, we're building, he bought a 70 Cutlass S off of me, and we're building this thing up.
00:29:50.000Phytek is giving us fuel injection to do on the whole car.
00:29:53.000I've had a 455 with aluminum heads, roller cam that I had sitting around putting it, tunnel ram.
00:30:00.000It'll be, like, 10, 10.2 to 1 compression.
00:30:10.000Which, by the way, was fantastic, and I really wanted to talk about that, because Victor Henry was super impressive.
00:30:15.000It's so rare that you see a guy enter the UFC, kind of unheralded, but with a good reputation, but not a lot of hype behind him, but perform that way against a guy like Howney Barcelos.
00:30:45.000And it's like Victor said to the press afterwards where you know they usually ask a bunch of like just rote questions like well you know what did you think about being underestimated or whatever he goes look You guys are UFC people.
00:31:00.000You know about UFC, you know about people in UFC, and you don't really know anything else.
00:31:04.000And so, what you don't know about I'm not surprised that you're not acquainted, like that you wouldn't really understand how to put this on some sort of metric.
00:32:58.000And eventually, this opportunity with Houni came up, and we just said, yeah, we're good to go.
00:33:03.000That's a good example because most people are not going to take that fight with Barcelos on such a short notice because he requires a lot of preparation.
00:33:31.000It was us putting our game plan fully into implementation because Howney is such a tough guy, very physical athlete, great wrestling background as well, and a diehard heavy striker.
00:33:48.000So our thing is, well, you know, all right, we're not going to wrestle with him.
00:34:38.000Hitting first and always hitting last.
00:34:40.000And watching out for his right uppercut.
00:34:44.000His right hand and how he loves to pull with his head movement and then throw a punch behind it.
00:34:50.000So not getting too extended, letting that guy get his work off at times, but pulling with a half step, getting right out of range so that we're not behind or running into any of that stuff and continue to chip away at that body and take away his endurance and bank on our cardio and scoring and scoring and scoring and If the opportunity presents itself,
00:35:09.000we had a few things up our sleeves for potential fight enders.
00:35:13.000But also, we knew that if you keep pulling a guy apart, eventually, if they feel like they're losing in any way, they're going to get bigger and bigger and bigger.
00:35:21.000And the bigger they get, the more openings they're going to leave behind.
00:35:24.000And there was a couple times it seemed like Vic had him rocked.
00:35:29.000Maybe he could have taken him out, but Houni's so tough.
00:36:24.000Because I'm going to try and find something for you.
00:36:26.000I'm going to be out there advocating to try and get you another fight.
00:36:29.000And if it ain't in the UFC, then maybe it's going to be again for George and Bash in LXF. We're going to keep you busy.
00:36:36.000We're going to make it so nobody can deny you at some point.
00:36:39.000And he's in this place where, is he 34, 35?
00:36:43.000I think he's 34, going to be 35. So at that age, especially in the lighter weight classes, as we were saying before, he's in a position where you've got to kind of get going now.
00:38:34.000I was there with Travis Brown prior to his fight with Alexey Olenek.
00:38:41.000And then when we were there to originally fight at the APEC Center, that was completely opened up to us and that was a great, great opportunity.
00:38:50.000I've been in conversation with Forrest because I'm always interested to learn about why the PI itself does this versus that.
00:39:01.000I was talking to the people there about their Normatec system.
00:39:04.000Okay, well, what is your experiences with this?
00:39:06.000How does this compare to, was it ECG or ECGC, which is another...
00:39:19.000And then, to me, it kind of reminded me of the ECGC, I think it's called, where there's a system around heart patients, Where they put cuffs around you and they hook you up to an EKG and then with your heart rate and your pulse rate,
00:39:35.000it's supposed to move and squeeze in succession to create...
00:40:07.000That's great for me as a trainer because then I can take that information back and then figure out how to use it with my athletes, find other complementary things to go with it, anything you can do to try and give that athlete that, not just that extra edge now, but something that can keep them in the battle even further along in their career,
00:40:25.000which is, even though I'm a heavyweight and we can get away with having longer careers to a degree, I feel that the way I was trained from the beginning has a lot to do with me being able to stay in this game as long as I have.
00:44:03.000That was during the days when he was working with Gene LaBelle.
00:44:05.000Well, even prior to that, the guy who really got me into martial arts to begin with was Fred Sato, who was one of the founders of the Seattle Judo Dojo and one of the original four...
00:44:19.000That is Bruce Lee, Fred Sato, Taki Kimura, and Jesse Glover.
00:44:27.000And I remember, you know, looking through little old books, picture books and stuff, of, you know, Fred Sato and Jesse and all them with Bruce, and they're just in someone's backyard.
00:44:40.000I don't even remember whose backyard it was, when Bruce Lee is a little skinny kid going to Garfield High School in Seattle.
00:44:45.000So, FYI, people, if you watch Dragon, the Bruce Lee story...
00:46:26.000Yeah, but that's something that Hollywood producers love to do.
00:46:29.000They love to think they're smarter than the original story.
00:46:32.000Instead of just taking the original story and putting it together in an entertaining way, in their eyes, you have to add some nonsense to it.
00:46:39.000Otherwise, they don't feel like they got their fingerprints all over it.
00:47:07.000But the point is, it's like, why would you change the life story of a historical figure who's one of the most important figures in the history of martial arts?
00:47:40.000I got into catch basically through Matt Hume, who was training, who had trained over in Japan with Funaki and Suzuki, and then got to train with Sayama.
00:47:49.000And so he's training under these guys that all come from this Carl Gotch catch lineage, who also are from Antonia Inoki.
00:49:26.000Where these old, these tough-as-shit miners get out from the mines at the end of the day.
00:49:32.000They go and they have their pints and what have you, and then they go up on the hills and in the grass and they throw bets down and they just challenge each other and go after it.
00:49:40.000And this, eventually, starts to become what we know as professional wrestling.
00:49:45.000And at some point, professional wrestling is a 100% legitimate sport, but then it starts becoming worked over time.
00:51:34.000I mean, the basic premise of professional wrestling still exists, and that is you have a face and a heel.
00:51:40.000So basically, you have a good guy and a bad guy, and the good guy is trying to overcome the bad guy.
00:51:47.000And at some point, he will go through all kinds of torment and suffering and what have you, and then come out on the other side victorious and overcome the problem.
00:52:22.000He's got two parts where, you know, it's got clips of him talking about kayfabe on here and work shoots and all this kind of stuff in terms of politics and culture.
00:52:42.000I was just talking to him the other day.
00:52:43.000He's like, are you in LA? I'm like, I'm actually heading to Austin to go hang out with folks and go do some stuff, but I'm coming back.
00:52:51.000But, so, pro wrestling starts getting worked at some point, but then it starts getting even more and more exorbitant and outrageous, and you start getting guys like Gorgeous George, and you start, you know, people that are really playing to these big Yeah.
00:53:24.000It was mainly confined to straight matches of grappling with submissions.
00:53:30.000But, you know, you'd have incidents like Ad Santel.
00:53:34.000He beats this world judo champion from the Kodokan.
00:53:37.000And he goes, well, I'm the world champion of judo now.
00:53:40.000And the Kodokan goes, what the fuck the hell you are?
00:55:02.000Did you get a chance to train personally?
00:55:04.000I got to train a bit with Carl, although he didn't ask me to do all the requirements and all that.
00:55:10.000And I met him through a magazine interview where Gong Kaktogi brought me over to meet with him in Tampa.
00:55:17.000And I believe Jake Shannon helped set it up, in fact.
00:55:20.000Because Jake and Carl were really close.
00:55:22.000And then eventually Billy and Jake would become very close because I brought Billy to Jake because Billy left Japan and came back to America and was living in Arkansas with some of his family.
00:55:32.000And I said, hey, can we do something with Billy here?
00:55:36.000Like get him doing seminars, something.
00:55:46.000And it was so incredible that Jake was able to do this for Billy and bring Billy to everyone and have some of this stuff taped, do these seminars and expose again what was old is now new.
00:56:01.000What was Carl's conditioning routine that he required of students before they were able to learn?
00:56:41.000It's like you have no idea how much, you know, it's the iceberg concept.
00:56:46.000You know, you see this, but underneath it all was all this toiling and suffering and failing and all these different things to get to this point.
00:56:52.000And you can look at someone like, you're not ready to fail.
00:57:35.000But to imagine somebody requiring that, like a Carl Gotch type guy today, before he takes on any students, what a small pool of talent you'd have to draw from.
00:57:53.000And people come at me all the time like, nah.
00:57:55.000Yeah, people like to say that, like, you're not a coach unless you take someone from, like, white belt all the way to, like, world championship level.
00:58:01.000I mean, there's something to be said about that, but there's...
00:58:18.000Like, this idea, like, there's a sort of...
00:58:21.000Hierarchy of coaching where people think that if you don't take someone from the ground up If you don't like really work with like bottom level athletes and bring them into top shape But I don't I don't I don't necessarily I mean there are people I've started from near ground zero and brought up I mean Victor when I got him he had five amateur fights but It's also something let's say like this There's guys that can teach you all these techniques and how to lift and blah,
00:59:32.000And then Ozzy Diaz goes out and knocks his guy out in the first round.
00:59:36.000And I'm talking to someone and I go, yeah, there's a lot of folks that can get a guy all pumped up and teach him how to throw a bunch of punches and do all this kind of stuff.
00:59:44.000But Can they actually break down the opponents and all their tendencies, being able to see through that athlete and go like, okay, when things are at their best, here's what they're going to do.
00:59:57.000When things are at their worst, here's what they're likely to do.
01:00:01.000Here's the things that you can pretty much count on that they're always going to go to when things get tough.
01:00:06.000When things are at their hardest, people are always going to go to what they're best at.
01:00:09.000And then it's also to look at your athlete and go, okay, How do I need to structure this guy's fight, not just on the day, but in all the training leading up to it, so that he's able to mitigate the strengths of his opponent and emphasize his own strengths and keep away from his weaknesses.
01:00:30.000And there's that aspect and then there's the mental aspect of how to get into that person's head and give them the right motivation or the right comfort or whatever is necessary at that moment to get them at their best.
01:00:44.000Did you ever work with a sports psychologist?
01:00:50.000Actually, one of them that was a real eye-opener was one on coaching women.
01:00:56.000And there was all kinds of great little bits of knowledge that I got out of that, just for general coaching and for working with female athletes.
01:01:04.000This thing was written by a female volleyball coach, and I wish I could remember the name of it.
01:01:53.000We're more alike than we're different.
01:01:55.000And we've been more alike in almost entirely the same ways since anyone has ever been able to write about what a human being is like, period.
01:02:03.000If you read about ancient Greece, if you read in the Bible or the Quran or any, whatever, you can grab yourself a cuneiform tablet or you start reading hieroglyphs, you're not going to get a radically new, different story about what a human being is, how they think,
01:02:19.000how they feel, what are their motivations and what it takes for flourishing.
01:02:30.000I mean, maybe we still have the remnants of a tailbone, but even in society and as it evolves, technology may more emphasize how we interact with the world and things and maybe the intensity at which we may express ourselves for good or for bad.
01:03:25.000And if you really are interested in trying to be about something, it's not always about charging headlong into it.
01:03:30.000Sometimes it's about sitting back and just shutting the fuck up and listening.
01:03:35.000Listening to someone who's telling you something or just Listening in a metaphorical sense, just allowing things to show you something.
01:03:43.000Watch that footage over and over and over again and throw your preconceived notions aside and just let it happen and then see how much you start seeing that repeats itself.
01:03:55.000Yeah, there's probably a great benefit in learning how to teach women because from my personal experience, women learn better in a sense that they don't have as much ego when it comes to martial arts and they also don't muscle things.
01:04:13.000I think that teaching all types of people is incredibly useful.
01:04:18.000And I liked teaching women a lot, especially because they smelled better and took better care of themselves.
01:04:25.000But you can't go out there generally and just start screaming at a girl like, why are you so stupid?
01:04:33.000They're gonna take that in a whole different way.
01:04:35.000Although I've had athletes that were females That needed more tough love than they needed more gentle guidance.
01:04:42.000And to that, it just came down to the individual athlete themselves.
01:04:45.000And I feel like you need to learn how to coach women and men, and then In and amongst that, you then need to know how to coach every single woman, every single man on an individual level.
01:04:56.000Because they're not just women, they're not just men, they're individuals.
01:05:35.000And so I don't want to spend my time on someone that I don't think has the right kind of character.
01:05:40.000I don't want to bother because it doesn't matter to me if they're going to go out there and win a bunch of titles and give me a bunch of money.
01:05:46.000It ain't worth it because now I got to hitch my boat to this person.
01:05:50.000And that says something about my honor and my word.
01:05:52.000And I just don't want nothing to do with something like that if it doesn't reflect the person that I want to put out there in the world.
01:08:01.000He says this to another athlete at the school who was brought in, who had come up to me before and goes, man, I see what you're doing with Victor and some of these other folks, and they're having a lot of success, and I really like the way that you're working with them.
01:08:13.000Would it be possible if I could work under you?
01:08:16.000And I just said, let me think about it.
01:08:18.000And at some point, I think this guy, a fighter under me, AJ Bryant, another great kid, heavy hitter, and he's got a fight coming up in May.
01:09:57.000It's like you guys are going to get the benefit of all the shit I had to do and all the things that have created new structure for us as athletes now to take advantage of.
01:10:10.000But that same underlying sentiment about being the meanest, toughest motherfucker out there, and whether you go down or your hand is raised at the end of the day, you keep your head high the same way.
01:10:23.000And even with someone like Haoni, I met Haoni before that fight in Brazil when I was training with Pedro Hizzo and Master Roberto Letao, rest in peace.
01:10:36.000And I remember Pedro going, hey man, this kid at my gym and this kid is dynamite.
01:11:30.000That brings up an interesting point, because one of the things that's happening today in MMA, and it seems it has a lot of elements of pro wrestling in it, is that there's a lot of shit talking for promotion.
01:11:44.000And Chael Sonnen was probably the best at it at one point in time.
01:13:55.000Because what they're doing is they're providing you with, like, fast food TV. Like, you don't have to drive by and pull into the, you know, drive into McDonald's.
01:15:46.000After you've added caramel coloring into it and everything.
01:15:49.000But to bring it back to MMA, this trend, does it bother you at all when you see like right now we're dealing, this is very recent into the Colby Covington-Jorge Masvidal fight just happened and then Jorge Masvidal just sucker punched Colby at a restaurant somewhere.
01:16:05.000Yeah, the sucker punching is, I'm not down for that at all.
01:16:09.000Even if there is some sort of an issue that Masvidal has about, say, you talked about my kids, that was like the one thing or whatever.
01:17:19.000Someone once tried to argue because I said, well, rights are an abstract concept.
01:17:26.000I understand the concept of Lockean property rights and all these things, and it's wonderful, but rights are what you can defend at the end of the day.
01:17:37.000You know, if you're like, well, I deserve to have this right and that right, it's like, well, who provides them for you?
01:18:10.000And with that, it's like, if someone says, don't talk about my fucking kids and my family, and you cross that line, Okay, if he does nothing about it, if he just goes and whinges on Twitter about it, what does that mean?
01:20:52.000This isn't, I'm not getting in the ring with this guy.
01:20:55.000So I can make him a bunch of money and give him notoriety and all this after I beat his ass.
01:20:59.000Like, nah, you don't get to make a bunch of money off of my name.
01:21:03.000I go, look, we're going to be out at this event.
01:21:06.000If that dude's there, and I'm here with Hammer, if that dude comes up to me and starts running his mouth, I'm going to tell him once, and then when I see that motherfucker go to the bathroom, I'm going to have Hammer come with me.
01:21:16.000Hammer's going to block the door, and I'm going to fucking tear him apart.
01:23:00.000And it's like his lips were quivering and he...
01:23:03.000First of all, that whole scene, doing that, in that manner, in that place, is a great example of what's wrong with the glorification of just being able to go up to someone and smack them in the face.
01:23:22.000Because that whole thing was so weird.
01:24:39.000That may be the case in the microcosm of things, but if you hit anybody for any reason in public at this point, you have the very real fact of all of the powers of law that be,
01:24:58.000especially depending on who you are and what the public and the cathedral thinks of you, smashing you to death until you have your penniless, bankrupt, That's not gonna happen here.
01:26:04.000It's not about giving Will Smith a pass or saying what he did was right.
01:26:08.000But what I am saying is that from his perspective, if it was that important, he could have barring going up there and hitting Chris in front of everyone.
01:26:21.000And he could have said something if he had to do it right then and there, if he felt that it was that egregious of a remark.
01:26:30.000And I agree with you, Chris Rock's a comedian.
01:26:33.000The presenters at the Oscars are supposed to be entertainers, often crack jokes that either A, that they do themselves in Chris's perspective, or from Chris's situation, or ones that are written for him.
01:27:24.000Regardless of what you and I think of how important or what the weight of what Chris said was, just removing us out of the equation, if it's really that important to Jada, Therefore, it then becomes important to Will.
01:27:41.000Then he should deal with it on a personal level and have a conversation with Chris before anything.
01:27:48.000Because you have to give someone the opportunity because, one, you have to assume, potentially, that Chris had malicious intent in what he had to say.
01:27:58.000How do you have malicious intent in a mild joke?
01:28:47.000Okay, so I pull him to the side and I'm like, hey, look, I know you don't mean anything by it, but, you know, X, Y, Z. And we just have a simple conversation and the guy's just like...
01:29:18.000He was getting away with it as if he was living in a fictional movie.
01:29:23.000Like, the idea that you think it's smart, while wearing a tuxedo, to walk onto a stage in front of the world, like literally the world, one of the biggest award shows on earth, if not the biggest, and smack a comedian for the most mild joke,
01:29:38.000and then sit there quivering, saying, keep my wife's name out of your fucking mouth!
01:29:44.000And everybody's just gonna sit there in the shit that you just took on the table.
01:29:49.000You just pulled your pants down, took a shit on the dinner table, and they all just sit there and look at that.
01:29:58.000It's just the whole idea behind it is completely irrational, but what I'm saying is like these people live in this fake world of, you know, you're protected by guards, you're driven by limos, you're on the red carpet, you know, like all of it is crazy life.
01:30:15.000And he's so goddamn famous and so removed from regular discourse and interaction with regular people that he, for whatever reason in his head, acted like he's a character in a movie.
01:31:40.000All the women are going to look back and be like, women don't solve their issues with violence.
01:31:45.000You're supposed to tear them down in other ways.
01:31:49.000When women start feuding with one another and one of them finally says, that's it, and they go to violence, it's almost as if they've lost completely.
01:31:57.000All the other women are like, nah, you broke.
01:32:21.000It was a rare instance where someone is so enormously famous and successful like Will Smith, That they literally still allowed him to not just win the Academy Award, but also go up and accept it and give a speech after he assaulted a small comedian.
01:33:07.000I don't necessarily think people are going to change their behavior, but dumb people might.
01:33:13.000But also, it's just like, what are we saying as a society when the people that we look up to, for whatever reason, for good or for bad, we look up to actors.
01:33:22.000And the Academy Awards is supposed to be them in their most regal Their most regal outfits, their best behavior, and to drop down to violence for something so innocuous as a G.I. Jane joke.
01:33:38.000Look, man, it's not the hill that I'm looking to necessarily die on either, in particular context.
01:34:22.000You know, Jada's allowed to take offense, and Will's allowed to take offense, but to jump up, run on stage, slap him, and then throw the scene that he did is a completely different story.
01:34:33.000To at least to go and give Chris an opportunity to talk to him, and maybe even Jada, and just be like, look, one, you can see that he did not mean to try and cause any actual harm to you.
01:34:45.000Just tell him, if you didn't like it, tell him face-to-face and be like, yo, man, I... It really, you know, hey Jada, it really bugged you.
01:34:52.000You're talking about two totally different things.
01:34:55.000But to me, regardless of whether you're Will Smith or you're the other Will Smith, the former special forces guy who speaks Russian, was in all tons of 70s and 80s movies, played Conan's dad in Conan the Barbarian, that badass motherfucker.
01:35:13.000You could be that guy, this other super popular Will Smith, or Will Smith that nobody actually knows who that person is.
01:36:05.000So for me, I'm like, look, if you're adding stress into your life by publicizing and externalizing everything, which, again, says something more about the state of things, like, why are you externalizing this shit?
01:36:19.000Like, even when I told this story about, oh, you know, this fighter and I had beef.
01:36:23.000I ain't gonna say his name because you know what?
01:36:25.000I'm not trying to create more beef because I'm not trying to live my life, even though I'm the war master, in some point of irrational, unnecessary conflict.
01:36:34.000When conflict comes, conflict, if it has to get to that, That's my whole point.
01:37:11.000We live in a massively unserious place from our populace to our people that we put on pedestals within media to our politicians.
01:37:23.000All these people are massively unserious and That's probably the problem with living, right?
01:37:30.000What we're seeing represented in the media and in society, whether it's in films or television shows or even in the news in a lot of ways, it doesn't resonate with what we know to be true and real with real life.
01:37:42.000Like even just the way they communicate.
01:37:44.000They don't communicate like a real person.
01:37:46.000So, so much of it, we've sort of accepted that so much of what you see is bullshit.
01:37:51.000And I just don't think like living that kind of life where you are that kind of person, you're an actor, you're constantly on the red carpet, you're in this weird public pedestal place.
01:38:03.000I think you can get a very distorted sense of reality and I think that's what we saw manifest itself.
01:40:02.000It's like artist, nomad, or is it nomad, artist?
01:40:08.000Nomad, and then you get hero, and then it just keeps repeating itself about every 80 years.
01:40:13.000And Strauss and Howe think that our fourth turning will come around 2030. I don't entirely buy into the entirety of the fourth turning concept because it's like, oh, the millennials are going to be the hero generation.
01:40:52.000And part of what Ganon and Nietzsche, and Nietzsche's concept is the last man.
01:40:58.000And this is, you know, you want to understand this, go read Thus Spoke Zarathustra.
01:41:02.000With Ganon, start with Crisis of the Modern World.
01:41:05.000With Spengler, probably Man and Technics is the easiest one to get with.
01:41:11.000If you feel like it, there's a lot of people have now started reproducing his work so it makes it easier to get a hold of because it was hard.
01:41:18.000When I had to get my two copies, I found a couple old used ones and I had to pay like 120 bucks to get them.
01:41:25.000But there is, I would say, you can go ahead and go with volume one form and actuality into perspectives of world history, but be prepared to be in for a long haul with that stuff.
01:41:38.000What they're going on about is that you'll see how the comfort of technology and the way I see technology is basically think of technology as not just...
01:42:19.000So technology is putting a roof over your head and then running water and lights and every little step further away of abating nature from how it can interact or how it can force you to and your being and existence and your action in the world.
01:43:02.000Take a plane or a helicopter or what have you, you know, from the Wright brothers all the way up to 787s.
01:43:08.000I mean, man starts on this journey of materialism and starts seeing everything as atoms and pieces and parts and things without any spirit to him anymore.
01:43:18.000This is, you know, back to the thing about EVs.
01:43:22.000It's just like, well, you know, just make stuff, right?
01:43:25.000Technology will allow me to do this, so just do it.
01:43:34.000And, you know, we have a phone that has all this access to all.
01:43:40.000I could go look up audio books on YouTube of getting on and, you know, people's lectures on all these different things.
01:43:49.000But it could also be this thing that deranges me in how I start now having resentment and envy with people I'll never meet, I've never seen, in a life that they're carefully constructing to be seen in one way versus the totality of what life is really like for anyone.
01:44:13.000And so now you get all these people across all these platforms that can now reach out way further than any tribe has ever been able to do before.
01:44:23.000Now all of a sudden it's like, well, Dunbar's number says like 200 people that you could actually have a real relationship with.
01:44:29.000Well, now you've got all these electronic relationships on top of that.
01:44:32.000And they're making you believe as if you're really invested and engaged with this person, but you're not.
01:44:41.000And at the same time, I'm not going to sit here and just say, like, everything about social media and electronics and technology is just evil and bad.
01:44:50.000It's just we don't have the tools, like, genetically or inherently to navigate those worlds rationally.
01:44:58.000Right, I'm not calling for a butlerian jihad.
01:45:00.000Yeah, what's going on with technology is that there's nothing wrong with it, but what is wrong is not having discipline and not having the ability to accurately assess whether or not something is good for you or bad for you.
01:45:16.000And then also having a vast amount of people that are going to take the easy way out, and that easy way is provided to them through technology.
01:45:23.000We're generally primed to find easier ways.
01:46:30.000It's one of the differences between martial artists and other folks is that you're willingly participating in something that develops character and discipline, and it's very different.
01:46:38.000And it's basically built on the concept of failure, trial and error, and effort and discipline.
01:46:48.000You have to keep showing up, otherwise you don't get the results.
01:47:03.000It is something that allows you to create a safe space for suffering.
01:47:10.000A place where you can go and bleed and sweat with your brothers and sisters and create community and have deep personal relationships based on the intensity of the activity because I have to trust that if you and I are rolling,
01:47:29.000that like, oh, if Joe catches me, he's not just gonna break my shit off, Because he feels like it.
01:47:37.000And even then, it's like when I roll with folks, I'll lock something in super tight, and if I start feeling like, uh-oh, this shit's going to go, I back off.
01:48:27.000There are all these quote-unquote owner's manuals across time and history and cultures, and they're more alike than they're different, and there's a lot to be learned from it.
01:48:40.000I'm not a theist in any way, but I study religion because there are...
01:48:55.000I agree with you that religions do hold truths and many of the ancient spiritual texts do hold guidelines on how to love thy neighbor, treat thy neighbor as if they were your brother.
01:49:21.000If you're just studying these works, but you're not applying them in a way that tests you, tests your morals, tests your physical will, your discipline, your mind, tests the way patterns of thinking that you're able to cultivate and maintain under pressure.
01:50:05.000And when he wrote The Client of the West, he's talking about the winter, the winter of our discontent, I guess.
01:50:13.000When you get to these parts in time, you see that everything becomes this little compartmentalized aspect.
01:50:20.000Training in the gym is this compartmentalized thing where I'm just doing jujitsu, maybe.
01:50:24.000And then when I go and I go to church, if you're a church-going person, that's its own compartmentalized thing.
01:50:29.000And when I go to school—and so everything is this other—everything's a deracidated, atomized, you know— It's a materialized way of doing things, and nothing is integrated into itself to make a synthesis of all aspects of being in the world.
01:53:21.000You do what you got to do to make this work for you, but I accept that and it's totally fine.
01:53:26.000And all the stuff about this is healthier, it's this, it's that, bullshit.
01:53:31.000This is a luxury diet born of modernity.
01:53:35.000It's exactly the kind of thing you would see in the Kali Yuga.
01:53:39.000It is this idea that you can somehow...
01:53:43.000Pretty much every historical tribe, peoples, nations, everything that has helped people grow.
01:53:48.000The fact that it is said that our ability to harness fire and cook animal proteins is what allowed us to get in the caloric and vitamin and intake that we needed for our brains to grow— To become us.
01:55:11.000That's a very good way to put it, and I like that you called them an aristocracy, because that's essentially the way we look at extremely wealthy business people in this country.
01:55:19.000We look at them as like, if this guy is able to accumulate billions of dollars, he must be a special class of person, because clearly that's the one thing that every working person aspires to, is to become exorbitantly wealthy.
01:55:32.000And that may be true, and that special class is psychopath.
01:55:50.000No, Bill Gates, part of what makes a Bill Gates is that all the violence that he ever needs in the world to allow him to have what he needs...
01:56:00.000Is already proxied out and he never has to be the one to employ it.
01:59:19.000He goes to one cat, fucks with him, and then flies over to the other roof and fucks with the other cat and then goes back and forth until the cats decide they're never going to catch this bird, but they're so round up, they're so angry, they start going to war.
01:59:57.000Research shows that crows and other corvids, a family of birds that includes ravens and magpies, know what they know and can ponder the content of their own minds.
02:00:08.000According to a 2020 study in Estat, This is considered a cornerstone of self-awareness and shared by just a handful of animal species besides humans.
02:00:18.000I wonder what the test entailed, that they can ponder the content of their own minds.
02:00:23.000I know I saw an article talking about that chickens can actually be trained to have the intelligence of a toddler, like a three-year-old, where you can teach them to take shapes and put them in the right boxes and things like that.
02:01:26.000We think that we can compartmentalize everything we do.
02:01:30.000Oh, I go and I work out because I want a six pack or I work out because, you know, we always have this external reason instead of an internal reason of I'm a human being and I need to fucking move.
02:01:42.000I can't just sit here and be unable to open a jar.
02:02:33.000Because you're going to get to this point where it's either your mind decides that you're going to get it done Or you'd make a decision, it's not possible.
02:02:45.000And when you're doing these kind of hard, strenuous activities, and I explain this to my fighters constantly, most of this incredibly hard training, it isn't so much about the body, it's about you telling yourself that I can go past what I thought my limitations were.
02:03:02.000And it's such a throwaway concept in today's I think?
02:03:27.000Even sitting here and you and me talking about this whole Chris Rock thing, me disagreeing on one end, you starting from another.
02:03:32.000I don't think we really disagreed, though.
02:03:34.000Not exactly, but even still, what do we have but a dialogue?
02:03:37.000And we expressed all these different things.
02:03:41.000People work just on that surface to begin with because that's how our...
02:04:12.000Part of why I'm trying to track down Eric who I know is an incredibly busy person is because I want to talk to him so that he can challenge my ideas and vice versa and that we can get insights that we wouldn't have had otherwise because I want to try and get the most out of life and I want to get the most out of me and hopefully my friends think I'm helping them in the same way.
02:04:38.000That's one of the things that's come out of this podcast for me that was, in a sense, accidental.
02:04:43.000Because I started it out just to have fun and just talk with friends and have a good time.
02:04:48.000And then along the way, it became a thing where I got to sit down with very intelligent people and pick their brains and get to see how their minds decipher the world.
02:04:58.000And through that, I've learned so much about the way my own brain works and why you'll slide into one pattern or another pattern and it might not necessarily even be accurate or relative.
02:05:12.000The way that people that are not being disingenuous describe your podcast as an exploration of ideas and conversations Is 100% true.
02:05:25.000And last time I sat in here, which is also kind of funny, because I can't wait for everyone to be like, oh my god, I can't believe you did Joe Rogan.
02:05:30.000I'm like, this is like my sixth time, assholes.
02:05:32.000But it's, I said it last time, this right now is so fucking important, I cannot stress it anymore, that there is a place where people can come on here and have conversations and express ideas.
02:05:50.000I don't give a fuck if you like them or not.
02:05:53.000You have to interact with that which is the unknown and that which you don't even like.
02:05:57.000When it came to things that I felt were fucked up or ideas or ideologies and philosophical contents that I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
02:06:09.000None of this reads okay in my book at all.
02:06:12.000My position isn't to then go just read all the things and study all the things of people that hate it.
02:06:22.000Find out why these people think the way they think.
02:06:24.000And then once you've done that, now you can make your own decision.
02:06:27.000At least you heard their arguments, hopefully, in the best way that they felt they could make them.
02:06:33.000And being here, and especially seeing after, I mean, it's just so, to me, a lot of things are self-evident in terms of the actions that happen and what seems to be a really clear underlying reason why.
02:06:49.000You catch COVID. You say, hey, I did this, and I'm good, and that was great.
02:07:57.000A guy says, hey, I'm suffering in this too, but I did this and it seemed to work for me.
02:08:03.000Hey, do something with it if you want.
02:08:06.000Maybe this could be useful for you or other people or someone else could go, why don't we run this through some sort of controlled study as best as we can.
02:08:13.000Let's try to use some potential positive opportunities to then apply it to other people.
02:08:21.000That's not the way we've decided this has to be.
02:08:23.000That's not the route that we have decided through propaganda and, you know, basically nudging and other things, you know, read Walter Lippmann's public opinion, go read Edward Bernays' propaganda and public relations, and then go see how this shit is fully applied through this concept of the cathedral at anything it determines is a heretic.
02:08:44.000And it's like, well, is the point for us Through our actions to make the world a better place potentially or to have things out there for other people to use to maybe create their own benefit?
02:08:57.000Or is the whole point of why we're doing this to create this structure for whatever oligarchs remain at the top to then decide how the world should exist for you and for you to then just go, okay, this is the punch card you've put into ENIAC right now.
02:09:14.000This is what I'm going to do because you put it in.
02:09:16.000You told me how I was supposed to act.
02:09:18.000Yeah, it was an extreme time where people were so tested, like their ability to deal with adversity, their ability to deal with anxiety, all those were stressed to attend.
02:09:34.000And people freaked out and they're looking for things to freak out about.
02:09:37.000And when someone took what they think is like an alternative path, didn't get vaccinated, but got over COVID very quickly with a series of medications.
02:09:46.000They thought that I was doing something evil.
02:09:48.000And I'm like, look, I'm just telling you that this is what I did.
02:09:51.000And they only focus on that one drug, too, which is so crazy.
02:09:55.000Because that was the number one thing that was making the rounds that was counter-narrative.
02:10:01.000And the cathedral, this concept of, like, essentially...
02:10:05.000The idea was originally penned is all these emergent...
02:10:10.000They're disassociated groups, but they all worship at the same church.
02:10:14.000So they're all in the same religion anyways.
02:10:16.000So they all have the same belief structure.
02:10:19.000Although I tend to believe that there is actually some levels of collusion at the highest levels where there is some organization.
02:10:26.000Don't tell me that the mainstream media doesn't talk to politicians or talk to this person or that person or speak with Bill Gates before they go on to think...
02:10:44.000And if there's one thing at the bottom of all this, when it came to COVID, one, we, as a people, especially in the West, Kali Yuga, we're afraid of death.
02:10:56.000Death, violence, these are abstract ideas.
02:10:58.000Now, these are things that happen to other people, not to us.
02:11:01.000These are things that don't exist for me, they exist for someone over there.
02:11:05.000And having that unhealthy relationship with death puts you in a really unhealthy relationship with being because you're denying an absolute.
02:11:14.000You're denying your endpoint, whether you like it or not.
02:11:17.000You're refusing to engage with something that is in your future.
02:11:58.000I just hope that what I put into it was something that is now within everybody that was a part of my life and everybody that was a part of my life before that put into me.
02:12:08.000I've put into them and it will live on.
02:12:10.000And like the idea of Not necessarily a great chain of being, because it's kind of a different concept, but that I carry the fire for Jim Harrison.
02:12:24.000All these people that have ever been in my life, I carry the fire for Carl Gotch and Billy Robinson.
02:12:29.000And whatever I do, when I sit here on this podcast, Billy and Carl and Santia and all these folks, my dad, my grandfather, they're here with me.
02:12:38.000As I speak to you, as I have what I have formulated in my way of being and my Dasein is here.
02:12:45.000It's the same for anyone if you want to actually...
02:12:49.000If you want to make this a part of who you are, if you really want to actualize everything that's been put into you and passed through, we don't...
02:12:59.000I'm not just here on a rock spinning in space.
02:13:27.000You lose out on what's amazing about being a person, is that you can meet people like yourself that have been tested and through that have developed these exceptional characters.
02:13:38.000And because of your exceptional character, it makes for a fascinating friendship.
02:13:51.000And prior to coming on the podcast, my girlfriend will back it up on like, Oh, fuck, I'm actually nervous right now because, you know, we're buddies and we've been doing this for a while now, but now this shit is so fucking huge that it's like,
02:14:06.000oh no, is everyone going to pour over every single little thing I say?
02:14:10.000They will because there's more people pouring over it, but it's the same thing.
02:14:32.000If I become something different because it grew bigger, I'll quit.
02:14:36.000If it gets to a point where I can't do it anymore, where I have to do it in some sort of weird way, where I walk on eggshells and mine my P's and Q's, fuck that.
02:15:26.000And it's always from a concept of insincerity.
02:15:29.000It isn't because of the actual content of your stuff, because they've decided, they've already packaged and framed up who you are and what you are and what you're talking about and why you're talking about it in a way that has insincerity and some sort of ulterior motive beyond This is me.
02:15:49.000But yet, I'm gonna have people on here to talk to me about these things.
02:15:53.000And yes, you will argue with people about stuff that you don't buy into.
02:15:58.000You'll also allow yourself to be convinced.
02:16:02.000And that's the thing, is that until you sit by and allow someone to show you these different ideas and approaches, even to understand, like, that's total bullshit.
02:16:12.000You don't know it until you've allowed yourself to engage with it.
02:16:15.000You don't know it until you really allow someone to express themselves openly.
02:16:18.000And we live in an era where essentially everybody assumes everything is insincere, where people approach everything from, well, I have ulterior motives for what I want to do.
02:16:36.000Not just I want to do something because I think it's a good thing to do and it intrigues me and I like it.
02:16:42.000But the thing is when you do something like that because it's a good thing to do because it intrigues you and you like it, it resonates with people because they're so starving for that.
02:16:50.000Because most of what you see, you see a lot of people that are cynical, and they think that everything is insincere, and you just find the thing that's the most acceptable to you that's also insincere.
02:17:04.000Everyone is bullshit except for my side.
02:17:07.000Now we have two teams of morons, and they're supposedly, you know, oh, well, this guy, the reason why gas is going up is this, that, and the other.
02:17:20.000The barrel of oil dropped at one point, and the price of gas still went up.
02:17:27.000Sagar and Jetty has a really good analysis of what is causing the rise of gas prices.
02:17:34.000I don't want to fuck it up, but I would guide people to go look up Rise—excuse me, that's their old show— Breaking Points, it's their new show with Crystal and Sager, and Sager breaks down in a very detailed and nuanced way what's going on.
02:17:51.000To dumb it down to the simplest version I could think of, instead of telling everyone to buy EVs, and all of a sudden, hey, you got 50 grand laying around, just buy an EV. Or, like, we're going to have to cinch our belts up.
02:18:25.000Because I made a screenshot of it because it was so fucking crazy that I was like, that can't be what someone's actually saying people should do because- Because there's no fucking...
02:21:33.000I mean, is he a human being or is he just some sort of stand-in for whatever your narrative needs to be?
02:21:40.000And then with inflation, I I saw an article, I don't remember who it was, Wall Street Journal or Bloomberg or some other midwit news source.
02:21:48.000It's like, oh, inflation is on the rise and that's a good thing.
02:22:22.000If your upper echelon of elites are just managerial types, that they're rent seekers, they get into a position, all they do is they get rent off of it, they can't make, create, or build, or fix things.
02:22:48.000They can consolidate things, but they can't make stuff.
02:22:51.000If there's a problem, they can't really fix it because, one, they're absolutely way too fucking slow at doing anything because there's so many steps in between all aspects to fix something like, I guess Flint has water now, but it took forever.
02:23:05.000And by the way, I mean, most people have probably forgotten completely that there was an entire American city with poisoned water, and no one ever really followed up on, hey, guess what?
02:24:20.000Well, what he definitely is, is the best representation of an intelligent, articulate statesman who is a president of our lifetime, other than Clinton, and Clinton was kind of a sketchy dude who liked to fuck everybody.
02:26:17.000So at some point, they're going to go through some process of figuring out who they want their representatives to be because everyone can't speak at once.
02:26:25.000Someone's got to distill the messages and what have you.
02:26:27.000And people don't want to work in a gigantic collective of everything.
02:26:32.000At some point, somebody is going to be either the natural born leader or they're going to make them the leader because it isn't for everyone.
02:26:39.000And it's not even to everyone's capabilities to be the leader or to be the spokesperson to deal with The conflict from argumentation and so on and so forth, and to be the person to stand up and to get people to believe, like, if he says to do it, I'll do it.
02:27:08.000So you start getting the division of labor in and amongst even your political party itself to then handle all these specific tasks and get specialized people to do it.
02:27:17.000Well, then they also then become part of that oligarchy because...
02:27:22.000It can't just be Joe Schmo and Betty Nobody.
02:27:25.000It's got to be somebody that is either A, capable of being the person that's the campaign manager and the speech writer.
02:27:36.000And this is all working towards your...
02:27:39.000Your upper echelon to go out there and to represent on your behalf.
02:27:42.000And especially in America, which is a representative republic, it's a representative democracy, somebody is there on your behalf.
02:27:50.000Although there is a jillion unelected non-democratic officials like a Fauci or what have you that are out there making all kinds of rules, doing all kinds of things that you have no say in and you get to do nothing about it.
02:28:07.000The thing is, as Mikels points out, it always, eventually, either by necessity or just by nature, every group becomes an oligarchy, always.
02:28:20.000And the thing about it is, okay, well, if it is an oligarchy, one, you should be truthful about it and not try to lie to everyone and say, like, oh, no, no, we all have a say in this.
02:28:58.000And it's like climate becomes more of a vehicle to insert particular political ideologies more than it has anything to do with saving the planet.
02:30:51.000I want to recommend a podcast to people because a lot of people recommend it to me and I'm in the middle of it right now and it's excellent.
02:31:09.000Martyr made podcast and it's called thoughts on Ukraine updated and remastered and It's very well thought out very It's very intense.
02:31:22.000I'd like to add listen to Samo Burja Burja's conversation.
02:31:27.000He had Samo s-a-m-o-b-u-r-j-a He has a company that is centered around Analyzing all world events and politics and everything and trying to Bismarck analytics.
02:31:45.000And I'd also say Michael Malice and Curtis Yarvin on You're Welcome.
02:32:21.000And Yarvin, as smeared and misunderstood as he is, I think has a lot of interesting insight.
02:32:28.000And I also think that, you know, just for your own sake, not just Ukraine or any, but for any understanding and getting a better idea on all about how, especially the West works on a political level, read James Burnham's The Machiavellian's.
02:32:42.000It is the easiest way to get Familiarized with the thinkings of what's called the Italian elite theorists, Gaetano Mosca, Vilfredo Pareto, and Robert Michels.
02:32:57.000And they look at politics from the perspective of power, but from also the perspective of how these things work, especially in a democratic sense, and how even though the concept of what we call liberalism Which,
02:33:16.000as an aside note, I hate it when people call leftism liberalism or leftist liberals.
02:33:21.000I'm like, no, everybody in America essentially is a liberal because we are a liberal society.
02:33:26.000We are built on classic English liberalism that is the bedrock of who we are.
02:33:47.000At some point, this all goes away and the oligarchs and the managerial class decide everything for you.
02:33:54.000And you think that what you're doing is going to influence these things, but it doesn't.
02:33:59.000You think that when, oh, there's this big, you know, uprising of populist movement of against this or that, it's like, yeah, it was all astroturfed.
02:34:08.000I'm sure somebody in the elite class somewhere funded it.
02:34:11.000The government either put rules in place to...
02:35:04.000And so a lot of what I saw COVID as, like, this is managerialism manifest.
02:35:07.000It's not about whether this is healthy or that's healthy or we could make this change or, okay, what we didn't know, an overreaction makes sense.
02:35:17.000And even despite our massive fear of death in modernity in the Kali Yuga, We still need to approach things, the unknown, as like, it's the unknown.
02:35:31.000The fuck if I know what's really gonna happen?
02:35:36.000Until I know more, until I've had a little bit more time, then I can readjust.
02:35:40.000But the readjustment really never happened very – definitely didn't happen with any sort of real speed because the managerial class is sitting back like, we cannot make a mistake on this in any way where it can be used against us,
02:35:55.000regardless if it's small or large, right or wrong.
02:35:59.000If it was right, I guess it wouldn't even be a mistake.
02:36:01.000But any way that it could be used as ammo against us to lose our position to our enemies.
02:36:06.000Because all politics breaks down into a friend-enemy distinction.
02:36:11.000And that who is along with my narrative is my friend and that who is against it is my enemy.
02:36:17.000Because if you're against it, that means you could then use it to somehow say, I don't deserve to be here.
02:36:22.000And if I lose my spot in the managerial...
02:36:25.000I've lost, and all this way of rent-seeking is now taken from me, and that's all I do anyways because I'm not capable of probably starting a successful car company where I redesign suspension.
02:36:40.000All I know how to do, I go to school, I get raised up through this managerial oligarchic class, I go to the right schools, I say all the right things, I join the right clubs, I get primed to go into places.
02:36:53.000Then I get to become a managerial myself.
02:36:55.000And when I'm in politics, I'm part of that managerial oligarchic class, and then when I leave politics, I'm still in it because now I'm working at Pfizer when I used to be a part of whatever, like the...
02:37:05.000FDA. Yeah, or this, and I'm going back and forth between the two.
02:37:09.000I'm doing all this stuff for Monsanto, then I'm president, then I go back to it, and then I get to go and do dinners While I'm in office at $30,000, $50,000 a plate and rake in all this cash and then go back to me and telling you about how you need to cinch your belts about this or that or any number of reasons,
02:37:30.000any other scenarios you can come up with.
02:37:35.000That managerial class of person isn't capable of then coming down here and running a simple podcast.
02:37:42.000No, their podcast has to be backed by parts of the cathedral that then back the managerial class to allow them to continue to push the same narratives that their class wants you to push and put things out there the way that they think is beneficial to them.
02:38:00.000So they can then go back to being a manager in some other way.
02:38:03.000And it's like the homeless problem in LA. Every time I see someone rallying for they're going to go for some office, I'm like, well, I'm going to do this.
02:38:10.000I'm going to build this low-income housing.
02:38:11.000How are you going to put a paranoid schizophrenic on crack in a low-income housing?
02:38:16.000You basically don't really give a shit about all these people in the street suffering.
02:38:20.000You think that it's okay for a person to live this way, you know, deranged in their own head, self-medicating and living in filth as long as you create some boondoggle where you've got a bunch of property development people that are making money off of it and you're making money off of it and your little shadow corp or whatever is making money.
02:38:39.000It's just like, you have to be a Machiavellian To do that and sit back and then walk out on those streets if you're Maxine Waters.
02:38:48.000And I was in her district not long ago and it's like, wow.
02:39:29.000But then my friend Coleon Noir pointed out that he's a lawyer, and he went to San Francisco, and he was talking to these people up there about the homeless problem, and they laid out, they go, no, no, no.
02:39:44.000The reason why it's never going to go away is that there's a large payroll of people that are making exorbitant amounts of money to deal with the homeless.
02:39:55.000If the homeless problem was somehow or another solved, and I'm like, how much money are they making?
02:39:59.000So he pulls up this fucking list of people in LA, and there's people on the list that make a quarter million dollars a year, and they're not doing a good job.
02:40:09.000Obviously, the homeless situation is bigger and bigger every year.
02:40:26.000Russell, how do you solve like what you said?
02:40:28.000How do you take a schizophrenic crack addict?
02:40:30.000I think the only way that I can think of is, one, you'd have to basically essentially outlaw homelessness and say, look, especially in a metropolitan, dense, populated area, you cannot have homelessness like this because One,
02:40:49.000you can't have people out here suffering like this.
02:41:00.000Number three, it's a health hazard because you have all these populations intermingled with each other, but they're not going and getting healthcare and other things.
02:41:10.000I mean, they can't take care of themselves.
02:41:34.000And look, what you live around absolutely affects the way you feel, but it also affects the way you interact with the environment around you.
02:41:44.000If you think you live in fucking barter town, you're going to act like it's barter town.
02:42:14.000I fell on hard times and then all of a sudden believe people are trying to get them or they're bipolar to such a degree that they're harming themselves and others.
02:42:21.000No, the only thing I can think of is you'd have to make it essentially illegal.
02:42:25.000You would have to create a big ass camp and you would have to round these folks up, clean them up because a person that can't bathe themselves is a massive fucking thing.
02:42:38.000Human beings want to be able to clean themselves, feel like they've refreshed who they are.
02:42:43.000You gotta give them psychiatric treatment.
02:42:44.000You gotta help them get off the drugs.
02:42:46.000You gotta help them give them drugs if they need them for these things that are ailing their mental state, that are keeping them in this broken realm of suffering that doesn't allow them to actualize who they are.
02:43:02.000Then you have to give them a work opportunity because human beings need to do something.
02:43:06.000So in and amongst that, maybe it's just, to me, I think, oh, it's beautification.
02:43:12.000Cleaning up all the graffiti, cleaning up the trash, giving someone something to do, pay them some sort of a small wage because you're covering all their, now you're covering their living quarters and all this stuff.
02:43:24.000And you're giving them medication, you're giving them help, getting them off of drugs.
02:43:28.000The state has credit unions and all these things.
02:43:55.000Maybe then at some point you could be the person that's diagnosing this person, trying to help them out and get them off the street.
02:44:01.000And you create this process that tries to get people from this position of being deranged and in the dirt to...
02:44:09.000Able to have some kind of way of actualizing their life and making their own rational decisions.
02:44:14.000Well, they've done something about it here in Austin, and I had a long conversation with the mayor about it here, and one of his points is that Austin only had about 2,000 homeless people.
02:44:32.000He goes, when it gets to the state where Los Angeles is, when you're dealing with several hundred thousand people potentially, I don't know what the real number is.
02:45:41.000If you're even just considering the fact of that what you're doing with drugs and maybe prostitution or whatever is illegal, well, now the cops know where you are in your mind.
02:46:10.000I wanted to, because we're running out of time, but I wanted to bring up this one thing that you brought up earlier, because I think there's, you made a really good point, but I think there's more to it.
02:46:17.000When you're talking about people that want to avoid death, and that this is like a main component of our life, is like no one wants to die, you want to avoid death, you don't even think about it.
02:46:29.000Do you think that because of the fact that we don't experience death the way maybe some primitive cultures did, that we have disconnected with it?
02:46:41.000We don't think of it as this inevitable, unavoidable thing?
02:46:45.000Instead, we think of it almost like something that's not going to happen to me?
02:46:48.000And that, like, if you think about, like, the Spartans, when the Spartans would meet someone who was 30 years old, they would treat them with extreme distrust.
02:47:12.000And I think because of that, in most places, because of that, we don't have the same sort of resolve about the inevitability of death that I think some cultures do have.
02:47:29.000But let's just say specifically in the West, like I said earlier, death is an abstract concept.
02:47:34.000It's something that happens to other people in some faraway place that doesn't exist around me, be it war, famine, or even just natural causes.
02:47:42.000We know people die, but we're never ready for it.
02:48:33.000At the end of the day, we just sat down there, we looked each other in the eye, and I just said, look, whatever, whenever, however, just call me, and I'll be there.
02:48:40.000And we'll take him, and we'll do what needs to be done.
02:48:44.000If we're going to bury him on his own land, if we're going to do this, we're going to do that.
02:48:51.000When the people that are of my tribe, of my family, of my things in life are there, when death greets them, I'll be there with them.
02:48:59.000And when they're When their body is without life, I will not treat them as if it is something that I don't want to get on me.
02:49:07.000I will hold that hand, cold as it may be, and I will know that this too is for me.
02:49:14.000And in this moment, I will not let this person be, I will not let this person essentially be alone.
02:49:25.000I'm not afraid of death, not my death, not other people's death, not death in general, because it's not like I'm so tough or cool or unafraid of anything.
02:50:20.000Now, that doesn't mean I'm going to roll over.
02:50:21.000That doesn't mean anything else other than Death is here with me at all times and everyone else, whether they want to acknowledge it or not.
02:50:29.000And the difference is I'm here to live life.
02:50:33.000I'm here to face death squarely and accept it and then get everything I can out of being here.
02:50:42.000That doesn't mean go crazy hedonistically.
02:50:43.000I got to get it all in before I... No, no, no.
02:50:46.000That just means I'm going to let the beauty of the world enshrine and enshroud me...
02:51:29.000And what you're saying sounds noble and honorable and it's a great thing, but it also sounds incredibly rare.
02:51:38.000And I think that's one of the unique things about this time is that people that are accepting reality, accepting the inevitability of their own demise and trying to live life by principles and by ethics and a strict code of honor.
02:51:56.000It's rare because Genon, Nietzsche, Spengler have all seen and sorted out how we have, through the comforts and the malaise of modernity, found ways to divorce ourselves from all these things.
02:52:22.000Exacerbated perversion of it where we come storming out of our fucking seat at the Oscars.
02:52:27.000We slap a tiny comedian who we know the motherfucker has known for I don't know how long.
02:52:35.000And then we rant and we scream in our seat after the fact.
02:52:38.000Instead of meeting the man face to face, looking him in his eye, having a conversation with him, and allowing him even the opportunity to say, Hey man, I really didn't mean anything by it.
02:52:50.000I thought it was a pretty simple, harmless joke.
02:52:53.000Especially because it's still even in the vein of movies and acting.
02:53:18.000Empathy is not letting all of the digital world infiltrate your person and then you going and throwing out all this emotional attachment and taking it onto yourself so now you can be spun out of control and running around now having to see therapists 24-7 because you've now done something that the human body is not meant to do,
02:53:39.000which is try to interact with this simulacra As if it is actual reality for you.
02:53:47.000Without all of the context of being a person, without social cues, without the emotional connection you have when you're having a conversation with a person.
02:53:56.000Look, that person on the other side of that Instagram account, unless you actually know them, Is not an actual person.
02:57:48.000I've seen people use things with coffee and coffee beans to smell and something to reset your nose.
02:57:56.000But there's other little tricks for tasting.
02:57:58.000You put a small amount in the glass, shake it, get it on your hands, rub it, smell, then shake it, smell, taste a little bit because as soon as that alcohol hits your tongue, if it's the first drink, that alcohol hitting your tongue is like,
02:58:18.000Now, move it all around your mouth, they call it chewing, and then swallow, and then let that all coat your mouth, and then try to get an idea, start picking things out.
02:58:28.000And by the way, there's no right way to, if you think it tastes like, so last night, something we had, I was like, you know, the end finish on this is a bit like the smell of MDF or plywood in a Home Depot.
02:59:37.000So like the video you showed on one of your deals about talking about the whiskey.
02:59:41.000No, that's, I mean, yeah, that's highlight stuff for that reel, but that's real shit.
02:59:45.000I cleaned the floors, ran distillation runs, smoked grains, roasted shit, did mash bills, sat and worked underneath as an apprentice, a head distiller.
03:00:03.000So we're talking about the aspects of physics and chemistry as well as just stuff that comes with whiskey making, you know, that hand done process.
03:00:17.000And for me, this just lined up perfectly.
03:00:22.000Not only did our normal Warbringer blend win a gold medal this year at World Spirits Competition in its pot still category, we have a vodka that we put out where...
03:00:35.000I don't give a fuck what anybody says to you.
03:00:36.000If I make you a cocktail with Absolute or Russian Standard or Belvedere, you ain't gonna taste any difference.
03:00:43.000I watched this video where they took cheap vodka and they ran it through a bunch of Brita filters and they said it's indistinguishable from expensive vodka.
03:00:50.000By nature, vodka is supposed to be tasteless, odorless, neutral, distilled at I think over 180 and then cut down to 80 proof or whatever.
03:01:03.000We worked with a mixologist, award-winning mixologist, Josh Goldman.
03:01:08.000The idea was to create a vodka that would be the best well vodka to make the best cocktails.
03:01:13.000And the difference is our PhD biochemist and the mineral formulation in the water.
03:01:20.000So our mineral formulation in the water creates a different mouthfeel, a little bit of different interaction, brings out different aspects of what's in the vodka from the three different grains that are in it.
03:01:29.000And that vodka, we put it up to the World Spirits Competition this year, and it won best varietal in the nation, best varietal in the world.
03:04:22.000And sign up for that email list because when we put the email blast for the two barrels that we had that were coming out, they were immediately gone.
03:06:17.000No, we have, and you only win by submission, knockout, or TKO. And so we go at it with each other, submission holds, we trade back and forth, strikes.