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00:01:37.000And Like, the following January, I was duck hunting, and these mallards are coming in, and, like, pretty high up.
00:01:43.000So I shoot one, and it's probably, like, I don't know, 30 feet up, flying 30 miles an hour.
00:01:50.000And it's coming right at me, and I think, oh, I'll reach up and try to catch it out of the air so it doesn't hit me in the face, and bent my hand back.
00:01:56.000And I think that that's what tore it, and then just never, I just taped the fingers up, and never, like, healed right.
00:02:02.000And then a combination of that, when I was in, and then I was in BC this last year, like, Hiking across a mountain, had the trekking pole, and my wrist just gave out and slammed into the hill, and that was kind of, I think, the last strut.
00:06:03.000Yeah, there used to be, like, when you first started shooting a bow, there was a rubber band that would go from the peep and stick on your riser to pull it straight every time.
00:06:13.000It's kind of annoying, but it would keep it straight.
00:06:16.000Somebody developed something that adjusts your peep sight.
00:07:40.000John coached him as well Dudley coached him as well.
00:07:43.000Yeah, he's I mean that guy's incredible like watching him do that with his feet like wow oh Yeah, oh yeah, he's got a release on his shoulder So it's I think it's something he does where he like twists his head a little bit to release Or maybe it's just it might just be attention based.
00:08:35.000Even just the hamstring flexibility, I don't think I could ever do that.
00:08:39.000And strength to hold your leg out there in that horizontal position like that.
00:08:44.000Yeah, so it looks like he's like almost kind of got a back tension style release where he's pulling back and then it hits his shin kind of and goes off.
00:08:52.000Yeah, it seems like he's got like one of those silverback type deals.
00:09:52.000I guess whatever I've got is some sort of a tendon issue and they injected, it's like a glucose solution that they inject directly into your tendons and it inflames the tendons and actually makes them thicker and stronger.
00:10:05.000It's really painful while they're doing it because there are just multiple injections digging into that tendon and injecting it with this fluid.
00:10:14.000I might be butchering the actual mechanism behind doing it.
00:11:30.000Yeah, it was one of the ones I've kind of always used that as just kind of this philosophy that I live by.
00:11:36.000The things that I like to do, I like that wild feeling of being out there and doing something in the wild that seems maybe things that other people aren't doing.
00:12:54.000Yeah, I had a lot of friends contact me because a lot of the guys that came to the podcast studio knew I had commercial freezers at the studio.
00:13:10.000Yeah, it's fun for me, too, because it's a way for me to introduce people to what I really love.
00:13:15.000So they try it, because I think through that food experience, people that don't hunt can understand hunting in many ways, and that's a big thing for me.
00:13:24.000Even my wife, I think, she didn't start hunting Until we were together.
00:14:03.000I mean, I haven't taken my kids hunting yet, but I've taken them fishing a bunch of times, and they love that they cooked or they caught our dinner.
00:14:12.000You know, like, when we're all sitting down at the dinner table and we're eating some delicious fish that they caught, they fucking love it.
00:14:45.000I always think of fishing as the gateway drug to hunting.
00:14:50.000You kind of learn the basics of what it means to get your own food.
00:14:54.000You learn the basics of the entire experience.
00:14:57.000And that was something that I was worried about when my wife started hunting is making sure she had the right shot, making sure everything was steady, making sure that it was going to go right.
00:17:14.000That's the one thing that people are saying that as meat shortages and food shortages happen, I don't know why everyone's predicting all these goddamn food shortages.
00:19:02.000I think that whole reason is why people have turned to hunting and being a little more self-sufficient.
00:19:09.000Because right now, if there was a food shortage, I'd be fine for quite a while.
00:19:13.000I mean, I wouldn't have a variety of diet, and I'm not saying it would be the most comfortable thing, but it's pretty much not a lot would change for me.
00:19:20.000As long as the power stays on and the freezers keep running, good to go.
00:20:55.000It was the first time I've been there because I'd normally go to New Zealand during their fall, you know, southern hemisphere fall, where it's chasing red deer.
00:24:10.000A lot of them, like there's a lot of, well when they went to New Zealand, like they would start out with 20 and then 7 would make it or whatever it was.
00:25:30.000Yeah, you can see the predator situation and the difference between the amount of deer that you find in California versus the amount of deer that you find in Texas.
00:25:49.000Whereas in California, you're going to fucking jail.
00:25:52.000Like, you have to have a depredation permit.
00:25:54.000Like, even if you do that, the animal rights activists will find out about you.
00:25:58.000There was a woman that had an alpaca farm in Malibu.
00:26:04.000And she was getting this problem where this one cat was visiting her alpaca farm and just joy-killing.
00:26:13.000So he'd hop the fence and kill, like, you know, six or seven alpacas, just fuck them up, and not even eat them.
00:26:20.000And so they issued a depredation permit, but then the press got a hold of it, because it was kind of a wild story that this mountain lion was targeting this woman's farm.
00:26:28.000And then the animal activist started sending her death threats, and she was freaking out, and so she decided not to even exercise the permit, because she was going to hire someone and have it taken care of.
00:26:39.000It's like the thing about mountain lions in California is they kill the exact same amount of mountain lions as they did when mountain lion hunting was legal.
00:26:48.000It's just now the state has to pay for it versus money coming in from hunters buying tags and paying all the other things that you would do that go along with mountain lion hunting, whether it's dogs or You know guides or hotels,
00:27:05.000food, all that revenue is gone and instead it's just a negative because now they have to hire government hunters who have to go after these mountain lions that wind up killing a lot of dogs.
00:27:14.000They kill the same amount every year though.
00:27:16.000I've actually seen that in some cases it's higher.
00:27:20.000But as the population increases, that number increases.
00:27:23.000But it's just people aren't seeing it.
00:27:25.000But it just makes people feel okay that hunters aren't killing mountain lions, but instead like these government hitmen are and you don't know about it.
00:28:07.000It's what happens when you don't manage properly or if you manage with emotions...
00:28:11.000And, you know, the general perception of the public that's not informed, instead of using wildlife biology and science and, you know, what they do in most sane places where they regulate the animal population based on what they understand from the surveys.
00:28:29.000I mean, it's one of those things when you've got this crazy ecosystem where it's tightly managed and people are like, well, just let nature take its course.
00:28:38.000And like, we've already, we've completely screwed up nature.
00:28:41.000The fact that you're living there, existing there, you think about like all these, the plant species that are in North America right now should never be here.
00:28:50.000Like we can never get back to that equilibrium.
00:31:51.000Seriously though, agriculture would have to cease because every time you go, you're like, oh yeah, this cornfield is great until you harvest it.
00:32:01.000Because you harvest it before wintertime.
00:32:03.000It doesn't leave any food on the ground for the animals.
00:32:06.000So it's not only tearing away habitat.
00:32:09.000All animals need food, water, and shelter just like us.
00:32:51.000Because all the different things that get ground up in the process of making that soil available for farming and grinding up the cultivation of all those plants, whether it's using combines or whether it's what they're doing to churn up the soil.
00:33:14.000They actually do like the CRP program where they'll pay farmers essentially what that almost, I don't know the exact amount that they pay them, but to just leave it as like habitat because they notice that so much land's being demolished just for agriculture.
00:33:34.000I was watching that on an episode of Yellowstone where they were talking about CRP. Conservation Reserve Program?
00:33:43.000You know about that thing they're doing in the American Prairie Reserve?
00:33:48.000Do you know that thing they're doing in the middle of the country?
00:33:51.000They're trying to essentially replicate something similar to what it looked like before modern settlers, or the European settlers rather, American Prairie Reserve.
00:34:07.000So they're trying to buy up enormous swaths of land far bigger than Yellowstone, fill it with buffalo and pronghorn and mule deer and all these different animals.
00:34:19.000And I think they're doing block management on this too.
00:34:22.000So they're going to have areas where people can hunt.
00:34:26.000But these will be areas where there'll be no development, no cities, no nothing.
00:35:25.000It's deforested or they're more of a plains animal, but wherever they used to live doesn't really exist like that anymore.
00:35:32.000So there could be a billion of them here, but it doesn't matter.
00:35:34.000You could keep throwing them out over there, throwing them out over there, and they'll never take hold because they don't have anywhere to go.
00:36:39.000There's a lot of animals out here that are, you know, there's more tigers in captivity in private collections in Texas than all the wild of the world.
00:41:06.000I mean, I don't know how true this is either, though, because they were saying the axis deer at one point ate so much vegetation that it changed the weather, but I don't know how that could be, but I've read that before.
00:41:17.000I think that makes sense, because if you think about yearlings or any kind of little tiny shrubs that are coming up, like trees that are on their way up, they just start eating them before they ever get a chance to become trees.
00:41:30.000I mean, they're not chopping trees down.
00:41:31.000No, I mean, yeah, I just don't know if that could actually change, or if it's like maybe they're just in a drought and they attributed it to that.
00:41:40.000I was in Maui recently, and we were on a boat fishing, and we were past this one part of the island where the guy said it rains like 290 days a year.
00:42:08.000That's the weirdest thing about the Big Island to me.
00:42:10.000Because the Big Island is so fascinating because you go from Kona and then you go all the way around and you make the loop and you run into like five different ecosystems.
00:42:19.000You can go skiing in places in the Big Island.
00:42:22.000And the same day you could be on the beach surfing.
00:43:15.000Because you're at 13,000 feet, and you're above the clouds.
00:43:18.000You actually drive through the clouds to get to the observatory.
00:43:21.000One thing I love when I'm out hunting, backpacking, and you're up on a mountain, looking down on stars, I think, is the coolest experience.
00:43:28.000Because you get up on the top of the mountain, and your whole perspective is normally looking up at the space, and you're looking down at the stars.
00:43:37.000One time I was hunting central Nevada, and that's got to be one of the darkest places in the lower 48. Actually, you guys pretty much went to that spot, but I was up on the big mountain behind there and packing out a deer and it was a really big meteor shower and you're looking and they're like below you.
00:43:53.000You know, it was a really cool experience.
00:47:20.000There's that scene where the bomb goes off and, like, everything's kind of, like, slow-motion-y weird and the sound's weird and whatever.
00:47:27.000When I saw that scene, I was like, that's my memory.
00:47:30.000It was, like, that noise and, like, everything was weird, slow-motion-y.
00:47:36.000I think because your heart's probably going really fast and you can't hear.
00:47:40.000Everything's like this weird noise and I just remember it and when I saw that I was like, that's really fucking accurate.
00:47:48.000So I'd be interested to see like other people that have been in like a shell shock situation or whatever.
00:47:52.000I bet you that somebody had to have done something where I would say like coached them on that because that scene of like that really I thought it was super accurate of like what lightning was like.
00:48:03.000Do you remember the lightning hitting you?
00:48:17.000I think it just messes with everything, but I definitely had, almost still do, like a weird twitch for a very long time that had to get under control.
00:48:35.000I don't even think about it anymore, but for a long time, when I was younger, probably until I was 17, you just have to think about it 100% of the time.
00:49:19.000It was a weird thing because it's one of those things now.
00:49:25.000I actually got it under control to the point where it's actually weird because I don't even think about it anymore.
00:49:30.000I don't even like talking about it because it fucks with that part of your head that you're like...
00:49:34.000I don't know, but to train yourself to do something in a different way that should be automatic, like your heart beating, I guess, you know, you're like, I don't do that, but yeah, like anything that's automatic to train yourself to do something in a different way is very difficult, in my opinion.
00:49:48.000Wow, you have to think about blinking.
00:49:51.000So it just kind of cooked your system a little bit.
00:49:59.000They say people that have been struck by lightning, I was young enough where it wouldn't have affected me in that way, but people's personalities change and just random stuff, weird stuff happens like that.
00:50:09.000That makes sense, because people's personalities change from car accidents.
00:50:53.000There's a lot of lightning out here in Texas.
00:50:55.000Dude, we were here once in July, and there was a lightning storm, and lightning hit...
00:51:01.000300 yards from my house, and the sound, like if you've never been around where lightning hits really close, the sound and the instantaneous sound, because it was the crackle, you see the bolt, the sky lights up,
00:51:17.000and you hear the boom, and you realize, oh shit, that's right there.
00:56:42.000But I feel like there's probably something about an animal attack or a close animal attack that triggers some sort of primal reaction in a person that's paralyzing.
00:56:56.000Yeah, I think the one thing is, I think in many ways, it's like you think about it all the time, like when you're out there.
00:57:32.000We've got these little cabins, and I hear something going down behind one of the cabins, like something killing a deer.
00:57:38.000So I went out, and it was a mountain lion that killed a whitetail, like, I don't even know, probably 15 yards behind one of the cabins.
00:57:46.000And then I was guiding, so I got up early and left and went out telling, like, my wife, everything, be careful, you know, don't be walking around at dark, whatever.
00:57:53.000But I put a trail, I should have been smart enough to just, like, move it, but I just didn't have the time to dick with it, so I put a trail camera up to see if it was coming back.
00:58:03.000And a bear had come in, like a black bear, and claimed the carcass.
00:58:09.000Like mountain lions, when they kill something, they first get it, they kill it, and the first thing they do is they take out the most nutritious part.
01:00:06.000Yeah, but, you know, Ranella was telling me a story once about this guy who was on his first hunt ever, and a 500 pound predatory black bear broke into his tent.
01:00:36.000I mean, it does happen, but like one in a million?
01:00:39.000There's actually a lot of black bear attacks, but most of them are in almost what I'd consider like a residential experience where they've got food and it's like a lot of older people or women mostly.
01:00:51.000And it's those times that you're caught off guard, like you walk out and it's in your trash can and maybe it's got cubs and then freaks out.
01:00:57.000Or people walking their dogs and the dogs fuck with the bear and then they go to save the dog and the bear kills them.
01:01:19.000They know that they're big and their propensity is more to rush you and scare you off than to...
01:01:26.00090% of the encounters that I have with brown bears or grizzlies, they run away.
01:01:31.000They don't really like people, but there are those ones where they get, like, they bluff charge you, they wolf at you, they stomp on the ground.
01:01:41.000That means 1 out of 10 is going to try to kill you.
01:01:44.000Yeah, I guess that's, well, that's the thing, like, they can, it's 50-50, really, they're either going to run away or run towards you, and for them, it's probably just as easy to do both, I don't know.
01:01:52.000How many times have you been in a bad encounter with a grizzly?
01:02:23.000I would say one of the scariest things, I was in New Zealand, I was actually guiding at the time, and I took this lady We were hunting chamois and those mountains are like just straight up and down.
01:02:36.000And she was older and she was doing this thing where she was trying to hunt everything like free range in the South Pacific.
01:02:41.000And I don't know at the time if any other woman had accomplished that.
01:02:45.000And she was getting older now and it was just kind of like one of those things.
01:02:48.000So I really wanted her to be able to get this animal.
01:02:51.000So we were hunting and we got dropped off by a helicopter.
01:02:54.000And then we were up there camping and stuff and it was really foggy.
01:02:59.000And then the fog cleared and there's a chamois over on the cliffs.
01:07:20.000Do you ever have nightmares of that one?
01:07:22.000No, but when I'm like, I mean, I love mountain hunting, and I love that alpine experience, and I still do it, but when I get to those parts where it's like, okay, you just gotta, you know, you think about it, you're like, one fall, I could die.
01:07:37.000It freaks me out more than it used to, for sure.
01:08:02.000And when you're hunting, when you're climbing, you're kind of like, okay, I've got this equipment, and I've got this, and I've got these kind of shoes and boots and ice axe, or whatever you've got.
01:09:49.000Oh, I mean, yeah, I've had, I had an experience where I was crossing a river one time with my pack on, and it was just faster than I thought.
01:10:00.000Yeah, that one, it wasn't, I mean, I figured I could get out, but I think I've told on here before a story where I jumped in a river and actually saved a lady.
01:10:10.000I didn't think I was going to get out of that one.
01:10:11.000Yeah, you did tell that story and you found the guy that was with her was dead.
01:12:16.000And there had been, like, a Facebook group, and they had the Blackhawk helicopters out looking, couldn't find her, search and rescue, they did the dog thing, everything.
01:12:25.000And so I got there, it was, like, probably 5 p.m., still daylight when I got there.
01:12:31.000And we get there and kind of talk to search and rescue, and I'm like, one of the guys kind of recognized me and knew who I was and what I did, and I had my whole pack, like, I was ready to glass.
01:12:45.000Normally on search and rescue things, they want people out of the area, but they knew that I knew what I was doing, so they let us in to help.
01:13:23.000So the theory was, like, she went up, came back, and then people, they actually had kind of thought since they put in a search effort that she was gone, like, taken.
01:14:24.000So I'm just going to kind of take the things that you've said and look at it through a lens of like, that didn't work, so we've got to just try something different.
01:14:32.000So I loaded up my pack and I had all my optics, everything, and my thought was, I'm just going to go out there.
01:14:40.000And part of it, too, was kind of like a wreck in some ways.
01:14:43.000I'm not just going to sit around and do nothing.
01:14:45.000So it's starting to get dark at this point.
01:14:48.000And my thought was, like, I'm not coming back until I find something.
01:14:51.000So I just load up my pack like I'm going on a backcountry hunt with all my shit and just go back there and see what I can do.
01:14:59.000It was good in nighttime, so I wanted to be, like, ready first thing in the morning, thinking before that light gets harsh and she's in the shade.
01:15:07.000Like, if you're trying to survive in the desert when it's super cold at night, so you're probably moving around to stay warm.
01:15:12.000And then in the morning, you'd probably still be moving around, but once it gets daytime, then you're probably...
01:15:23.000So they had Blackhawk and it had to go back because it timed out.
01:15:27.000Like it needed fuel there at that point.
01:15:30.000And they were searching in the middle of the day, which I thought, you know, it'd be better to search in the evening after the heat on the rocks cools off a little bit and you can use a FLIR system like thermals.
01:15:40.000Because everything in the desert cools down so fast that you might be able to find her at night using a thermal system.
01:15:45.000So I asked the guy if we could get a thermal FLIR system and so they were working on getting something.
01:15:50.000And so I had one of the guys take me into the...
01:17:51.000So I call my brother and my buddy on the radio.
01:17:54.000I'm like, hey, you know, I'm up here and they were around, they were looking around the rocks where the dogs had turned around thinking maybe she went up there, fell into something and got stuck in like places people, normal search and rescue wasn't going to look.
01:18:07.000So they were looking in kind of those areas.
01:18:09.000So I hike up to where the light was on the hill and it happened to just be like people that were in the area, like a couple that were just like, whatever, camping.
01:18:20.000And, you know, I was like, hey, you know, I talked to him.
01:18:25.000I was like, cool, you know, like the area's kind of closed down right now, just so you know, because they're looking for like, cool, keep an eye out.
01:19:31.000And I just said that over the radio because I didn't want the radio going off for some random reason while the next time she said something or whatever.
01:19:37.000So I flipped the radio off and I just started moving in that direction where I heard something and I yelled out again and didn't hear anything and then kept moving and yelled out again.
01:19:48.000Before it got dark, I remember it was this big basin, almost like a...
01:19:55.000And on the top side was all these cliffs and everything.
01:19:58.000So I thought, well, maybe I heard it across the canyon and she fell into one of those cliffs.
01:20:02.000So I'm like moving in that direction, but I'm trying to move like, you know, when you're chasing an elk and it's like that, you've got to, you've got to run, but you can't run loud.
01:21:25.000And so my buddy, they were probably two or three miles from the base camp.
01:21:31.000My buddy Joe just takes off, just sprinting down to the base camp.
01:21:35.000And then my brother is hiking up to me to help her.
01:21:39.000And so we didn't have service where we were, and I have a satellite messenger, but I left it in the truck.
01:21:47.000So my buddy goes down and I think somehow somebody had called whoever, you know, paramedics and the whole deal.
01:21:55.000And so my buddy Joe, this is the funny part, is my buddy Joe runs down to the search and rescue camp.
01:22:04.000And he's like, Remy Founder, we need to go.
01:22:08.000And one of the guys that was kind of in charge, like an older guy, not a guy that goes in the field or anything, he's like, you know, somebody thought they heard something, but it could have been a mountain lion, so we're just going to save our energy for the morning search.
01:25:12.000And then the type of person that has the capability to do what you do on a daily basis.
01:25:18.000Most people are not going to be able to get to her.
01:25:20.000They're not going to be able to have the understanding of how to navigate and how to get around, or they're not going to have the aerobic capacity that you have.
01:25:29.000All those times of hunting and camping and hiking, you have crazy, sick cardio.
01:25:35.000Yeah, it's like a lifetime of essentially spending my entire life looking for things that are hard to find, and then using it in a way that was more beneficial than anything else I'd ever done.
01:26:11.000You hear those stories of people, they're snowmobiling, and they get stuck, and they find them naked, dead.
01:26:19.000And you go, I had never experienced that, or seen people in that situation.
01:26:25.000You hear about it, but that's not the first thing that pops in your mind.
01:26:28.000You think like, oh, I found you, everything's fine, but you don't realize like the mental toll that it takes on people either.
01:26:34.000Just like not, and being like, you know, essentially freezing at night.
01:26:39.000It's one of those days in Nevada where it gets like, it'll be 100 in the day and like probably 34 at night.
01:26:45.000Or 80, 90 in the sun in the day and then really big temperature swings that time of year in the high country because you're up at 10, 12,000 feet.
01:26:54.000You know, probably 10,000 feet, something like that.
01:27:24.000And I mean, on her end, too, it took a while of just essentially the PTSD of an experience like that, where it's like you're doing something you love and whatever, and you just...
01:29:08.000You said, you're like, the first time you went hunting, you're like, yeah, there's been very few experiences in my life where I felt like that.
01:29:14.000I don't even know if you remember saying this.
01:29:16.000And you said, you're like, having my kid was the first, like, it was like that.
01:29:20.000And I don't know if you remember saying that.
01:29:29.000And then I had a baby and I'm like, oh yeah, I get what he's talking about.
01:29:32.000It was the most primal, like, it was a very weird experience.
01:29:36.000I was like, oh, actually, he wasn't full of shit.
01:29:39.000It breaks the mundane pattern of everyday existence in a way that's so undeniable that you realize there's a chemical, biological, genetic connection.
01:29:55.000That you have to this child and the mother and this experience and like you're so locked in in a way that you didn't think you were ever going to be with anything.
01:30:07.000Like you didn't even know that that feeling was available to people.
01:30:19.000But until you see a baby come out of a woman and it's your child and it's her child and you made this child together and now this child's alive and then every fire, every cell in your body fires up.
01:30:37.000And it's like, okay, now we're in dad mode.
01:30:57.000First time I went hunting, I remember just locking eyes on the mule deer and realizing it was about to go down and then getting him in my sights.
01:31:16.000I wound up dropping I wound up hitting him in the spine and he dropped and then I finished him off we had to get up close to him and finish him off and When I finished him off it was like I was like this is like almost psychedelic in the way it changes the way you feel about things like When we were cutting that animal up and then we were eating the animal,
01:31:38.000I was like, this is one of the most primal things I've ever experienced.
01:31:43.000And it's in many ways not like having a kid in that it's not the same kind of feeling, but also it's a feeling that you didn't know was available.
01:31:53.000That it was so primal and it felt so natural.
01:31:58.000It's like my body was like, yep, this is how you do it.
01:32:01.000This is what you have to do if you want to get meat.
01:32:18.000Fucking untold thousands of years when someone shot an animal and killed an animal it meant that was going to feed your family and that was a good thing and it wanted to reward you with that good feeling so that you could continue to survive and that your genes would carry on and the human race would survive.
01:32:49.000But you don't know that shift of something that's just innate that just happens and you can only access that by experiencing it.
01:32:57.000The moment I shot that mule deer, I mean, it's on the show, we talked about it, while Ronella was like, you know, so what are your thoughts on hunting?
01:33:10.000Like, I'm 100% sure this is how I'm going to get meat now.
01:33:15.000Like the moment, when we were sitting over that campfire and we were eating the deer that we had just shot, you know, hours earlier, and we're cooking it and eating it and it was so delicious and it was so fresh.
01:33:29.000I was thinking, of course this is what I'm going to do now.
01:35:56.000I think you can use signal for video call as well, but it's encrypted, peer-to-peer, so it's not like it's going to a third-party server or anything like that.
01:36:06.000Yeah, but either way, I had this guy Gavin DeBecker on as a security expert, said, listen, even so, they're still listening to all your phone calls.
01:36:14.000They're still looking at everything you send.
01:36:31.000I say that too, but it's not what concerns me.
01:36:34.000What concerns me is that the government, these creeps that a lot of them aren't even elected, there's just people that are bureaucrats that have been embedded into the system forever, have...
01:36:43.000Essentially have access to every fucking person on the planet's text messages and emails.
01:36:48.000Anytime you send something, they have access to it.
01:37:04.000It was so great because it was so true.
01:37:07.000I mean, it's like everything's so out of context.
01:37:09.000Yeah, if my wife was my employee, I'd be in jail.
01:37:15.000I was like, you don't know the context around this.
01:37:18.000Yeah, I mean, you could take any one of the texts that I send with my comedian buddies that we send to each other.
01:37:24.000Any one of them is horrible if you don't understand what's going on.
01:37:29.000These guys will say the most horrible shit to me through text messages just so we could laugh.
01:37:38.000Because we've fucking heard it all, right?
01:37:41.000I've been a comic for 30-plus years, so comedians that are also comics, to shock them, they'll send me the worst things, and the worst images, the worst videos, and ha-ha-ha, with a joke attached to it.
01:37:59.000And people are like, you guys are terrible, but to who?
01:38:09.000You're just so numb and desensitized, it's got to just keep going up.
01:38:12.000Well, it's also like we're playing a game with each other, right?
01:38:15.000Because we're in the business together.
01:38:17.000So it's like, to shock me, You know, you have to send me some ruthless shit, and so there's a lot that comes my way.
01:38:27.000It's funny because I'm paying attention to this Amber Heard-Johnny Depp trial, and I'm realizing the old text messages, if you get into divorce, man, they'll fucking come up in a trial.
01:38:45.000I haven't even been paying attention to it.
01:38:46.000So I was like, I didn't even know what it was.
01:38:48.000If you look at it from my perspective, not knowing what was going on and then trying to read stuff, I was like, what kind of circus is this, right?
01:39:02.000And it's a system that doesn't allow you to ever become a full, normal, functioning member of society.
01:39:11.000Because you're coddled, and you're treated in this very bizarre way, and you're isolated from everyone else except for all the people that are your handlers, or the people that are your sycophants, or the people that love you, and publicists, and agents,
01:39:26.000and People that make a living off of you.
01:39:29.000And then you're married to a fucking crazy bitch who throws bottles at you and wants to kill you if you don't sign a prenup or if you want her to sign a prenup rather.
01:39:41.000And watching her sit there and try to act like she's not a psychopath while all this is going on while they're playing the audio recordings of her talking about hitting him and all the craziness.
01:39:56.000That alone, like if that's not the biggest fucking red flag, like she recorded dozens and dozens of conversations where he had no idea that he was being recorded.
01:41:11.000I don't think any jury is going to listen to her and not think she's out of her fucking mind.
01:41:14.000You would have to be the most hardcore, man-hating feminist, one of those women that's just been fucked over by man after man after man her whole life to the point where, fuck all men.
01:41:25.000You'd have to be that woman to listen to that lady and not think she's out of her fucking mind.
01:41:31.000I haven't even followed it enough to know, like...
01:43:08.000He wrote an article, I think, while it was all going down, and she was accusing him of hitting her and all kinds of crazy stuff about what a con artist she is.
01:45:49.000But I've actually thought about it in the way of I don't know, anything that your parents do, and it's what we do all the time, so I don't know if that would be something that makes her into it, or if it's something that will detract her from it.
01:46:04.000I'm so careful about that with my kids, because my kids did martial arts when they were young, and I always say, Hey, hey, you guys want to take a class or something like that?
01:54:13.000How come wildlife biologists suggest that a certain number of them need to be removed from the population but you can't sell alligator skin goods?
01:59:38.000You've gotta change the name and people have to kind of lose the thought of an iguana because there's certain things people don't want to eat.
02:01:00.000That's something that, I think they changed that, but YouTube for a while was going to, they were going to stop people from showing animals being butchered, and they were going to stop kill shots.
02:01:16.000I don't know if they did it, but I remember it was a big conversation, and a lot of people that have hunting programs, and I know you do Solo Hunter, and you release those.
02:01:38.000For people that monetize stuff, there's different rules as well, which I understand you're getting random advertisers on there and they might not write certain things.
02:01:48.000So some people might have had problems like, oh, they're blocking this from whatever.
02:01:52.000Well, it's more based on the monetization thing because you sign up for different rules when you do that.
02:01:58.000Yeah, that's an issue that happened during the pandemic, where they really ramped up on the amount of episodes of things that got demonetized.
02:02:09.000And a lot of people thought, oh, this is some sort of a plot to censor people.
02:02:18.000They just want to make sure they maximize the advertiser money, and the advertisers essentially are the ones that dictate what kind of program is allowed on the network.
02:02:27.000One of the things that we found out during the pandemic was that pharmaceutical advertisers are 75% of all the ads on television.
02:03:08.000Not unrelated to right now, when we were talking about the cloned tiger meat the other day, I was trying to look up hard where do people even need to eat that?
02:06:10.000There's certain parts of hunting where people that don't do it don't understand.
02:06:16.000It's like, okay, you've got this deer here, right?
02:06:19.000I look at it, and it's just a deer, but you look at it.
02:06:21.000The meat from that deer, I don't know if you shot that, but if you did, it's like the meat is long gone.
02:06:27.000Everything is gone, but when you look at that, that animal lives on in your memory way longer than Anything else that you would ever get at the store or anything like that, you have a personal connection with that.
02:06:39.000When you look at it, it's a weird thing to explain to somebody that doesn't hunt, but in a way, it's like I love animals so much, and maybe in some ways, that's almost honoring the memory of that animal to you.
02:06:52.000It certainly is, and in many ways, it's nature's art.
02:06:56.000I look at a skull, and I only have European mounts, for people that don't know what that means.
02:07:02.000A European mount is just the skull and the antlers together.
02:07:06.000When you see a stuffed mount, like of a deer head on a wall, you're looking at a doll.
02:07:13.000It's like fake eyeballs, and underneath it is like a foam sort of...
02:07:20.000And oftentimes it's not even the actual hide of the animal that you shot.
02:07:25.000Like if the animal you shot is a fucked up hide, they'll give you a cape that you can put over, or you could buy one, that you could put over your mouth.
02:07:35.000So the only thing that's really from your animal is the antlers.
02:08:32.000To see a skull with antlers, even if I had just found that in the forest, like a deadhead of an animal that had been killed by a mountain lion or something, when I look at that, it's art to me.
02:08:48.000I mean, just looking in the nasal cavity, you see how complicated it is, and you realize this is an animal that has to survive on its nose, how important its nose is.
02:09:01.000And you look at that enormous opening that it has for taking in scents.
02:09:06.000And then you see the eyeballs and how they rotate on the side of the heads and they're like way off to the side so they can see things from both sides and behind them almost and in front of them.
02:10:51.000And I feel like it might have even been a little before its time in some ways and just didn't have the right support.
02:10:58.000It was like TV was fairly expensive to make and then it was on a network that didn't want to spend a lot of money and then that network was like...
02:11:06.000The network kind of peaked and started falling.
02:11:08.000You know, it's like TV viewership went down and everything like that.
02:11:11.000So now everything's digital or on streaming services or something like that.
02:11:16.000But I would definitely love to do it again.
02:12:06.000And there's, I mean, there's things, even I feel like I know a lot about animals, or a lot of different animals, and then one day I'll be like looking at something, there's an animal called the slow loris, I guess it's a venomous mammal.
02:12:21.000I hope that that's right, because I just read that, I was like, how did I not know that, unless it's some, unless I was reading some, you can't trust anything anymore, that's the part that sucks.
02:13:56.000You look at nature and a lot of the things that we aspire to make animals can just do.
02:14:01.000Well, one of the things that I really loved about when you do the solo hunts and solo hunters, when you went to Africa and slept outside and hunted solo with cameras, and I was like, that's a ballsy move.
02:14:16.000That's like some Survivorman type shit.
02:14:18.000Yeah, I mean, I love that aspect of hunting and survival and just kind of going out and...
02:16:42.000Like toxoplasmosis is, I think it's called toxoplasmosis gondii.
02:16:46.000It's a parasite that you get from, a lot of people get it from cats.
02:16:51.000And it's a very strange parasite because it rewires.
02:16:57.000It's one of the most bizarre parasites because it rewires the sexual reward system of rats and it makes rats attracted to cat urine and it makes them fearless.
02:17:09.000So the way this parasite grows and spreads is inside a cat's gut.
02:17:18.000And the way it gets inside a cat's gut is to get into a rat first.
02:17:23.000So it gets into the rat first and tricks the rat into being horny for cat piss.
02:18:15.000Sapolsky's been on our show before, but one of the things that he did was when he was a resident, one of the doctors that he worked with in the ER, whenever they get motorcycle victims, he would say, check them for toxo.
02:18:27.000And there's a disproportionate amount of motorcycle victims that test positive for toxoplasmosis because they think it makes them take more risks.
02:18:45.000In areas that are like tropical climates and areas that have a lot of cats, they have a huge population of the people might test positive for toxo.
02:18:56.000Like in France at one point in time, more than 50% of the population was positive for toxo.
02:19:10.000The fact that it sends the rats to the cats, I mean, it's in some way, it's like it grows in the rat, and then it's like, okay, now a cat needs to kill you so I can live.
02:19:18.000I think it needs to reproduce any cat gut.
02:19:24.000Is he a psychologist or an anthropologist?
02:19:28.000Neuroendocrinology researcher and author, current professor of biology and neurology and neurological sciences at Stanford.
02:19:34.000And he's done some amazing work with primates too, like amazing work with orangutans and baboons rather, and some different primates and just like studying the way they think and behave.
02:19:48.000But his work on toxoplasmosis was what drew me to him because I remember reading about that.
02:19:53.000I'm like, well, because I've had a lot of cats in my childhood and I'm scared to test to see if I have it.
02:19:58.000And once you have it, you have it forever?
02:20:18.000I just typed it in with deer, so I'm getting a lot of the deer stuff.
02:20:20.000But there were reports in Canada, Wisconsin, and then I just scrolled down and saw 200 free-rumming cats and 444 white-tailed deer were tested positive for the parasite.
02:24:52.000That whole sheep hunting thing is a strange subset of hunters because it's a lot of rich people that go on these bizarre, dangerous adventures to hunt sheep.
02:25:08.000I was like, that's interesting that somehow or another caught on with a lot of these wealthy trophy hunter type guys.
02:25:16.000Yeah, I think the opportunity, it's an economic thing in a way where there's not a lot of, let's say there's not a lot of tags, right?
02:25:25.000So the price of that one tag just keeps going up.
02:25:27.000But the reason that price of that tag needs to be so expensive is that's what's Helping the sheep populations come back.
02:25:35.000There's no other management for these very, I would say, a niche species, a species that's living somewhere that needs a lot of resources of things.
02:25:44.000In the state of Nevada, actually, there's more sheep in the state of Nevada than any other state outside of Alaska, as far as the United States.
02:25:53.000And it's because of, like, hunter conservation dollars and projects and building, helping, you know, restore habitat with drinkers and water things and all that kind of stuff.
02:26:02.000And they auction off, they'll, like, auction off in pretty much every western state one sheep tag.
02:26:07.000And some, like, the Montana one goes for three hundred and something thousand dollars.
02:26:12.000I think it was like the Wild Sheep Show this last year.
02:26:15.000They raised like $10 million I think at their banquets.
02:26:25.000I mean there's thousands of those events throughout the country.
02:26:29.000So it's like there's a ton of money going into the research and the – We're good to go.
02:27:02.000So those wild sheep populations don't encounter those domesticated sheep and building fences to keep certain domesticated sheep from wild herds.
02:27:35.000Yeah, I think they like that just like anything.
02:27:40.000It's a real adventure in some ways where it's like you're pushing yourself to certain limits and that's the way that they experience it.
02:27:46.000Yeah, Brendan Burns and Jason Hairston, and they'd gone on one of those trips for Kuyu, and they were talking about what they had went through.
02:27:56.000And I'm like, you know, Hairston at the time was a millionaire, and he's out there almost dying.
02:29:20.000And if you want to eat wild game, that's probably the best way to ensure that you're going to get wild game.
02:29:25.000Set up in front of a feeder and this is just a way to harvest food.
02:29:29.000And you're going to get it quick and you don't even have to be in shape.
02:29:32.000But the difference between that and the experience that I talked to you about, about Montana that turned me into a hunter, That was a difficult, arduous experience.
02:29:41.000It was days and days and days of hunting and hiking and glassing and freezing your dick off and climbing up to the top of a ridge and not high density of deer and just trying to find them.
02:29:54.000And then when we did find it, the feeling of success after the difficulty is what makes it all worth it.
02:30:00.000If it was easy, like we got on a boat, we pulled over to the shore, like, oh, there's one right there.
02:30:26.000Because as the hunter, I know that what I... If you cooked an elk steak right now, and I cooked an elk steak, and it's like you cooked an elk steak of an elk you shot, and an elk steak of the elk I shot, The one that you know you took in that entire experience is more rewarding.
02:30:42.000You're going to choose that elk steak.
02:30:46.000But it's not like when I go to a restaurant, I'm not ordering elk because it doesn't taste the same to me.
02:30:54.000It doesn't taste the same as something that I took or was a part of.
02:30:57.000There's like even something that maybe...
02:31:00.000It's like a certain kind of seasoning through sweat in some ways.
02:31:04.000The harder you work for it, the better it tastes because it's just that reward factor.
02:31:08.000Well, there's another element that comes into the play.
02:31:12.000It's like you have memories of the experience.
02:31:14.000And also when I think of a wild game animal like an elk that's penned up and that they feed and then slaughter and then serve to restaurants...
02:32:33.000I've done it enough where I feel like I've gotten really good at it.
02:32:36.000And for me, it's actually easier now to do the self-filming thing than to have somebody there filming with me.
02:32:43.000Unless it was somebody that had the same hunting skills, which is not really feasible to find somebody that does that and films, or does a good job filming too.
02:32:54.000For me, it's actually harder to have somebody following me around with a camera than for me to film myself.
02:33:00.000Well, when I went hunting with Ronell, the times that I've gone, one of the things that really struck me is what a shit job that is for the camera guys.
02:33:08.000Because they're A, not hunting, B, that's just a job, but they're there 24 hours a day.
02:33:16.000They've got to do all the things everybody else has to do, but they also have the camera and try to capture something and not mess it up either.
02:34:09.000There's people that just sort of turn on the camera and point it in the right direction, and then there's people who you see them in their work.
02:34:50.000That's the one thing I didn't even realize about Solo Hunter is, you know, people, the comment that I give is like, man, I learned so much.
02:34:56.000I was like, I didn't even know I was teaching you anything.
02:34:57.000I was just going out there doing my thing.
02:34:59.000And people, like, really liked that aspect of like, okay, I'm like seeing how you're doing something that maybe I've never seen it done in this way ever before.
02:35:07.000Well, I really love Solo Hunter, too, because when you're doing it, you're talking to yourself, and you're talking to the camera, and there's something pure about that, that it's just you alone out there.
02:35:19.000I remember there was one where you were hunting, and you stopped to go fly fishing, or you stopped to catch trout, and then you cooked the trout.
02:35:29.000That was your lunch that day, and I remember thinking, man, that's got to be a fucking cool experience.
02:36:04.000I'm documenting what I'm doing and taking people along for the ride, I guess.
02:36:07.000One of the other ones that I really enjoyed of yours was when you decided to camp out in this ancient Native American site that you had found on the hill.
02:36:26.000I actually ran into, on a previous trip, an archaeologist that was up there.
02:36:31.000And they were thinking that it might have been one of the first, they're around this lake and they're saying like in that area, maybe one of the first like kind of, not like a semi-permanent place where they would keep going back to that place like during the summer.
02:36:45.000And then, yeah, you'd see that they'd build blinds essentially.
02:36:50.000And then probably, my assumption was they'd build those blinds and then herd sheep, wild sheep.