In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, we talk to author and bowhunter, Cameron Haynes, about his new book, "Endure" and what it's like to be a professional bowhunter in the backcountry. We also talk about the tragic death of his friend, Roy, who fell to his death while hunting in the Alaskan Bushcrafting mountains in 2008. And we talk about some other stories of people who have fallen while hunting and how dangerous it is to be in the mountains, and how to deal with it. Joe also talks about the time he almost killed a moose in the snow and how he managed to walk away with only a scratch on his face. Enjoy the episode, and remember to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and we'll read it out to the world! Cheers, Joe and the rest of the crew at the J.R. Crew! Cheers! -Jon and the crew. -Your Hosts: and . Jon and the boys at the Backcountry Bowhunting Podcast by Night Podcast by Day, All Day, by Night, All Day. Thanks for listening and supporting the podcast! If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and tell a friend about it! Timestamps: 1:00 - What's your favorite thing you've heard on the podcast? 4:30 - What do you think of it? 6: 7:00 8:15 - What does it mean to you? 9:20 - What would you'd like to hear from someone else think it's cool? 11:40 - How do you like it better? 12:30 13: What's a good day? 15:40 16:10 - What are you looking for? 17:00 | What kind of day is your favorite part of the day of the week? 18:30 | What's it's a day that you're looking forward to doing it more? 19:40 | What you're going to do in the most important thing? 21:00 // 17: What are your biggest challenge? 22:00 & 15:00 + + +17:30 + +16:40 + +20:30 // 15:10 22 - What s your favorite moment? 26:30 & 27:00+
00:02:48.000What I've noticed, because there's a lot of guys I look up to because of their mountain abilities or hunting or just, they're just, I don't know, just people I look up to.
00:02:58.000If you spend a lot of time in the mountains, there's risk.
00:03:02.000And you know, eventually, it only takes one.
00:03:06.000And those kind of mountains, like the sheep hunting mountains, are very steep.
00:03:10.000It's rugged terrain, and it's snowy and cliff.
00:03:16.000Where Roy fell, it was dry at that time.
00:03:19.000And it was just one, because there's a dry side of the mountain, and then on the north side or the other side, it's cooler, so there's more snow.
00:03:27.000And the ice, as you mentioned, like where I killed my sheep on that same hunt in 2008, that was on the...
00:03:33.000The cold side, where he fell on the warm side, it was dry, but it's so steep.
00:07:01.000It's like every way you walk, it's like you're looking around, and now that I know, now that I saw one within 30 yards, now I've just got a totally different feeling about it.
00:07:11.000Because I always knew they were there, but then when you see one, And that's not even the scariest.
00:09:49.000Yeah, well, it's also part of the reality of where you are.
00:09:53.000Like, you are in an ecosystem, and there's apex predators, and then there's prey animals, and then you...
00:10:02.000Every now and then, enter into this world, and you're kind of somewhere in between, and you're running around, and if you're successful, you get an animal, and then you're at home, eating that animal, you know, weeks, months later, thinking about that experience,
00:10:17.000and it brings that experience back to you in a weird way.
00:10:21.000It's very hard to describe to people, but when I eat a piece of elk, I think of where I was when I shot that animal, and it's Yeah.
00:10:30.000For me, it's not—the meat kind of looks like meat, but for me, where it's really driven home, the reality is when I open the freezer and I see how the packages are labeled, and it will say Colorado Elk Backstrap 2020. And I go right back.
00:10:47.000Those packages of meat capture this memory or this experience like nothing else to me.
00:10:52.000Because it's like saying what the animal is, what year it was, and then I remember that episode or that experience.
00:11:01.000And a freezer with meat in it just does it for me.
00:14:39.000And it only makes sense that an animal that has to get away from other predators, an animal that has to live that hardscrabble life in the wilderness, It's harder to get and more rewarding when you get it.
00:14:51.000And look at all the people that we know that eat wild game.
00:17:29.000There's a lot of, you know, look, if you want to eat only vegan and you want to do it for ethical reasons and you don't want to be involved in animal death, I get it.
00:17:38.000You don't want to be involved in factory farming, I get it.
00:17:42.000But it's not true when you say that it gives you a significant athletic performance boost.
00:19:29.000And I know I probably wasn't doing it right, and I've never done it right, where, you know, you eat pea protein and you make sure you balance your macros and have someone...
00:19:37.000But when I started eating meat, that's when I became at my best.
00:19:41.000When I went on my best performance run as a competitor, it was all eating meat, and that's mostly what I ate was meat.
00:19:50.000And that was the only example that I've ever had, because it's the only stretch of my life, when I was competing, a very intense thing, and I ate nothing but vegetables for a good six months.
00:20:34.000And I got way better as soon as I stopped doing that.
00:20:38.000But it's like, I'm also not starving myself, so there's that too.
00:20:42.000Oftentimes in the UFC, you'll see guys when they go up in weight, they become their best version.
00:20:47.000Charles Oliveira is a great example of that.
00:20:50.000He fought for 145 for a while, and he fought very well, but He never really hit the strides that he hit when he went up to 155. He's on a roll now.
00:24:00.000He doesn't fight to try to outpoint you.
00:24:03.000He doesn't fight tactically, like where he's trying to get— The least amount of damage and drag you into deep water and then strategically try to take you out in the fourth and fifth round.
00:29:25.000In natural athletics, being natural meaning not taking any steroids or nothing, 36 is at the high end of peak performance, generally speaking.
00:30:04.000And that knockout of Tony Ferguson was the most intense head kick knockout I think I've ever seen.
00:30:11.000Because it's rare that a guy is at a level of Tony Ferguson that just gets flat lined with a head kick like that.
00:30:17.000And to have it be a front kick, like DC said it best, he said it wasn't even like a regular front kick, it was like he kicked a soccer ball.
00:30:25.000He just swung his leg up and just almost decapitated him.
00:30:30.000I heard him say that Tony comes in wide.
00:30:32.000You know, and so they felt like there was that channel up the middle.
00:33:25.000It's called being a frontrunner, and that was a thing in boxing about certain fighters.
00:33:29.000You know, you would always say, well, he's good until he's pressed, and then you see his confidence fall apart, and then we saw none of that with Hamzat, because Gilbert spun his head around.
00:33:39.000And it would have KO'd 99% of the people on the planet.
00:33:43.000But Hamzat immediately dove on after, like, wobbled, dropped, and he grabs a hold of a leg and then takes Gilbert down.
00:36:24.000Yeah, I'd have to watch it again and like just score it like with a piece of paper and write down what I think, you know, like shots landed and stuff like that to really get a...
00:36:32.000It's hard when you're watching the fight.
00:36:35.000Because one of the things that happens is when you expect a guy to win and the other guy starts doing well, sometimes you exaggerate it in your head that he's doing better than you thought.
00:36:43.000Like, that is an issue with the underdog performances.
00:38:04.000Or does he know that because Colby's going through all this other stuff with Masvidal and, you know, getting sucker punched, is he knowing it's not going to happen?
00:38:14.000So he's just getting his name out there.
00:41:07.000And, you know, there's a lot of people that feel that way, and that's why Dustin Poirier, for the longest time, was saying that he wouldn't fight Colby.
00:43:09.000It's like I never want to say that it won't work for you, because there's people out there that I know that are vegan that thrive, and they don't have any problem with it.
00:43:18.000But I don't know how they would do if they ate meat.
00:43:20.000I mean, maybe they're just fucking unbelievably savage, and if they ate meat, they'd be even better.
00:43:25.000But if you give them vegetables, they'd still kill it.
00:43:27.000His quote on it says that sometimes he eats meat, still.
00:43:31.000Oh, I'm not very complicated when it comes to food.
00:44:02.000Yeah, if you went to Mike Dolce or George Lockhart or one of those guys, that is not how they would tell you to eat.
00:44:08.000They would prescribe a specific amount of protein, specific amount of carbohydrates based on your weight.
00:44:14.000I mean, they're not saying like, sometimes I eat this and sometimes I eat that.
00:44:18.000I think what's going on is Canelo is so fucking good that he can get away with eating squash and tomatoes and still fuck you up because he's so goddamn good.
00:44:32.000And just the fact that he went all the way up to 75, fought Bival, went to the decision, lost the decision, but was never in real trouble, was never rocked or dropped or anything like that.
00:44:44.000And he's fighting two weight classes above his natural weight class.
00:45:30.000His approach where he'll eat greens and salads most of the time and every once in a while have meat, I do all meat and every once in a while have a salad.
00:45:38.000You know, when Mike Tyson was in here, he was thanking me for turning him on to Wild Game.
00:47:23.000During his time, man, when we were kids, because you and I are the same age, and when Tyson was at that run, when he was the heavyweight champion in the beginning, It was when he knocked out Ferguson and he won the title, youngest heavyweight champion ever at 20 years of age, and then just smashed everybody.
00:47:39.000Every fight was like, you weren't doing anything when Mike Tyson fought.
00:47:43.000You were gonna watch Mike Tyson fights.
00:47:45.000Yeah, it was a weird, where you wanted to see him fight, but then you also wanted it like some devastating knockout in the first round.
00:49:32.000So, freak genetics, and then also freak mind.
00:49:36.000You know, people don't appreciate how intelligent Tyson is.
00:49:40.000I mean, he doesn't have a PhD, he didn't spend a lot of time in college, but that doesn't mean his mind doesn't function at a very high level.
00:49:46.000In order to be able to navigate the waters of being in a fight with Larry Holmes, and be able to figure out how to get to Larry Holmes' chin, Boom!
00:52:01.000But again, it's like, how long can you do that?
00:52:04.000Most people can't do that for very long.
00:52:06.000Your body breaks, your willpower breaks.
00:52:09.000Just to maintain the kind of camp that you have to have, to be in the kind of condition that you have to be, to be able to fight five rounds.
00:52:17.000So that's why, like, when it comes to a guy like Kamaru Usman, when he says he wants to fight Canelo Alvarez, and I'm like, give him the money.
00:52:42.000Because it's a special kind of athlete that can be that good at anything, as good as he is at MMA. I'm not saying he's at Canelo's level boxing.
00:56:35.000And the thing about him is there's not a lot of compelling fights for him in the heavyweight division in the UFC. Where you want to say, like, ooh, I can't wait to see that fight.
00:59:14.000That shit takes nine plus months to really heal up.
00:59:18.000And then if he really wants to give it the right amount of time, he needs another three after that to work his way back into shape and get to the point where he can...
01:00:41.000It's also like you have to have a fighter hotel where all the fighters can stay and you'd have to have world-class facilities you don't train at.
01:04:59.000I'm addicted to these fighter stories.
01:05:03.000There's something to all these things that's connected, whether it's to you when you do these 240 mile runs, when you do these races, or when you prepare for mountain hunting.
01:05:16.000There's something to all those things that's attractive to people, and that's one of the cool things about the title of your book, Endure.
01:05:23.000Because it's a perfect title for what you stand for and what's so interesting about this because everybody knows how hard it is to endure.
01:06:55.000That's what's so hard about it, though, is that it never ends.
01:07:00.000And the thing that's so interesting about people like yourself that do these ultramarathon races and that run so often and put in so many miles is that no one wants to do that.
01:07:14.000Like, I don't even think you want to do it.
01:07:16.000You do it because you know it has to be done.
01:07:19.000But I guarantee you there's times where you don't want to do it.
01:09:09.000So I doubt that that's going to happen because I've been through life so many times where I've been so disappointed and I got my hopes so far up.
01:09:16.000I remember my first book, this book, I printed out 5,000 copies, went into debt, didn't have any money, $50,000 I had to spend.
01:09:25.000And I had probably a couple hundred of my own, so I borrowed it from everybody.
01:09:30.000And somebody said, oh, we're going to order 3,000 books.
01:09:32.000And in my head, I'm like, 3,000 books?
01:09:35.000Let's see, $20 a piece, you know, whatever, 600. I'm making all this money.
01:10:29.000Is it better that you had to be let down?
01:10:32.000Because you never lost your discipline.
01:10:35.000Even though the excitement of these big moments didn't happen, you kept hammering, you kept grinding, and then ultimately did reach incredible levels of success.
01:10:48.000But it's through this constant, repetitive work ethic and enduring, yeah.
01:11:32.000Is that something, because you do have a lot of fans, and you have a lot of interaction with fans online, and there's a lot of people, like, because I know because a lot of times people tag me and stuff that they send to you.
01:11:43.000Does that motivate you, knowing that these people look up to you and that they admire your discipline and it gives them inspiration?
01:11:52.000Because it's one of the things that I think is very interesting about the internet.
01:11:56.000There's never been, like, there's a lot of negative things about the internet, but the positives, in my opinion, greatly outweigh the negatives.
01:12:03.000And one of the real positives is just the overall mountain of inspiration that's available to people right now.
01:12:13.000There's Goggins and there's Jocko and there's you and then there's all these video clips that people put together and on any given day you could see something that gets you fired up and you want to do better.
01:12:24.000You want to get your life together better.
01:12:26.000Are you aware of the impact you have on other people and is that something that motivates you?
01:12:32.000I mean, I don't know what the impact is, but what motivates me is to not let people down, not let myself down, not let people down that I know people do look up to me.
01:12:43.000It's hard to figure out why because, like I said, I still have a 9-to-5 job.
01:12:48.000But that's part of the reason why they like you I still do all the normal things But I did I mentioned this the other day on a post because I posted back your original tweet to me in 2014 and You know this is like in what that was There's an example on so how social media can work and it can give somebody and I think I wrote in there that you know,
01:13:09.000I was a guy with my head down Looking at the ground No reason really to raise up and have dreams.
01:13:18.000I was just, this is what it's going to be.
01:13:20.000I'm going to work here and I'm going to work in the woods in this small logging community and this is my life.
01:13:26.000And then things happen and then all of a sudden you start, your gaze goes up and now you're on the horizon and you're like, hmm.
01:14:25.000But it starts with this person who has no reason really to dream, no reason to be confident or to have anything, excited about anything, and you're just kind of walking with your head down.
01:14:36.000And then through these little changes in this attitude, one person believing in you, one person doubting you, maybe that gives you fuel, and then all of a sudden that gaze starts raising.
01:14:44.000And then now you have the biggest dreams in the world, and through some weird...
01:14:50.000Endeavor like bow hunting from from small town guy I've been able to meet you athletes train with people on how I can be a better better a bow hunter from a logging town and it's like I trained with Olympians and it's like but it all starts with that that small little journey yeah and it's like so that's what I say if I did it who couldn't do it everybody could Yeah,
01:17:47.000Endeavors, whatever they are, like the human spirit, the whatever is in a person that makes them exceptional is expressed through so many different mediums.
01:17:58.000It could be expressed through swimming.
01:18:00.000It could be expressed through painting, whatever you're doing.
01:18:16.000There's a thing that you get rewarded for, and that reward is to make people's lives better.
01:18:22.000And sometimes you can make people's lives better just through your own personal effort, just through hard work and being an example.
01:18:31.000And that example Fires people up and they get excited and some people get mad at you and they fuck and I know you respond to that and you get mad at haters But the reason why you have haters is because people are upset that you're getting attention and they feel like oh He's taking attention away from me.
01:18:46.000It's just a weak minded perspective, but it's super super common well I mean, you're, as much as anybody, I mean, hunting and making in the, quote, industry is very competitive.
01:19:00.000It's one of the biggest weaknesses we have is our ego, I think.
01:19:05.000And so I would be, my attitude was, well, I need to win and there's no, if this guy's winning, he's taking from me, you know?
01:19:14.000And so you were the one who kind of pulled the curtains back on that.
01:19:17.000And that's what I wrote about in the book is that, you know, I can't remember how you said it, but you said there's enough cake for everyone.
01:19:23.000And it was like, I had never thought that, well, if I win, they can win too, or if they win, I can win also.
01:19:30.000I thought about it as one or the other.
01:20:27.000You know, you've got a twist of fate worked your way.
01:20:30.000Now, there's guys, and that's where social media, it's like, you can talk all the shit you want about it.
01:20:35.000It's an amazing tool to enhance lives, if that's what you're looking for.
01:20:39.000It's also an amazing, it exposes personality.
01:20:43.000It exposes the way human psychology works.
01:20:47.000And that's where the whole hater thing comes into perspective, because so many haters, like, they're The reason why they hate is so illogical, but it's really just when they feel bad because of other people's success, whether it's an athlete's success or a musician or an entertainer,
01:21:08.000They feel bad because they haven't reached the same level of success this other person has, and they feel like it's unattainable, so they want to chop that person down to make the world fair.
01:21:20.000What they don't understand, Is that that doesn't help anyone.
01:21:25.000It doesn't help you, and if you're hating Goggins, it actually helps him, which is bad.
01:21:30.000But for most people, it just makes them feel uncomfortable, and then they just don't want to listen to you anymore.
01:21:35.000But it doesn't stop them from getting...
01:21:37.000And also, it doesn't convince other people that you're correct.
01:21:45.000When you have all this hyperbole that you attach to, you know, like you exaggerate how bad a person is, everyone knows why you're doing it.
01:21:53.000When they look at you and your life's a fucking disaster and you're hating on someone that's super successful, everybody knows but you.
01:22:02.000You think you're so virtuous and so amazing and even though you haven't achieved any fucking success at all, you want to shit on this person and somehow or another it's going to knock that person.
01:22:11.000You don't like them because they're killing it.
01:22:41.000You can't lie and pretend you're good because then your dumb ass will take a fight with someone who'll fuck you up and you'll think you're gonna win.
01:23:20.000If they looked at it the right way, they would look at it like Mike Tyson used to do when he was watching those old films of Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey and of Harry Grebb and watching those world-class fighters from the fucking 30s and the 40s and shit, watching Willy Pep films.
01:23:51.000Part of what it is, obviously besides all the other great things, is that he concentrated on excellence.
01:23:56.000And instead of hating, like many people do, in this amazing world that Mike Tyson lived in, he had...
01:24:05.000This guy named Jim Jacobs, who was his manager, who collected boxing films.
01:24:10.000So he had one of those old, like, one of those old projection things, and he would sit and watch these old-timey fights that this guy had, like, stacks and stacks of.
01:24:19.000So it was, like, this amazing environment for him to just take in inspiration.
01:25:08.000We can all learn from each other that way.
01:25:12.000I'm not young, so I wish I would have learned this a long time ago, but I have tried to look at people who are successful who I look up to.
01:25:20.000And that's what the book is about, where I have the chapter about where I take from all these...
01:25:25.000People I look up to, everybody respects, but it's like, how can I take what they do and apply it to my own life?
01:25:33.000And before it was, it was just like, I have to win.
01:25:46.000And so instead of that attitude, it's just like, no, well, How about this?
01:25:51.000And then you take the positive part, and then you add it to your arsenal, and then you're growing, and you're improving, and you're appreciating, and gratitude, and all these things.
01:26:02.000You can't be a negative, looking at the negative of everything, thinking like you've been cheated in life, and that's why you're not successful, and you should be getting more attention.
01:26:20.000You are the same human, the same biological creature that's seeing the same world, but you're looking at it a completely different way and it empowers you.
01:26:31.000Not only that, the person that you, instead of hating on someone, We're good to go.
01:26:58.000Figuring out how to conquer that little dirty inner bitch, that dirty little bitch that wants to be jealous, that inner coward that wants to look at the world in a distorted lens, because it gives your sad little sorry ego comfort to do that.
01:27:17.000And I see men, you know, like I said, men, including myself, have that.
01:27:21.000And I see them, and I see them talking like that, and it's like, You can't respect it.
01:27:27.000When you've seen through a different lens, the lens we're talking about, and then you see that, the exact opposite, you can't respect it.
01:27:34.000Well, I just want to get away from them.
01:27:36.000When they do that, I'm like, ugh, let me get out of here.
01:27:39.000Especially me, because I was that guy when I was young.
01:28:56.000So, a million years ago, when I was an editor for Eastman's Bowling Journal, I had a quote you said during a fight from him, you know, if you master one thing, you can see the way in all things, something like that.
01:29:08.000And I quoted you, and this was like way before we ever met.
01:29:11.000But that means something to me too, because that also, you said it during a fight once.
01:29:17.000And that's what I took in my editorial.
01:29:19.000I wrote that I heard you during UFC broadcast say that.
01:29:23.000And it's like, that kind of resonated with me.
01:31:04.000Why have I been putting this negative...
01:31:08.000Energy into all this when it all I had to do is change my mindset And that's all that's happened in in my life in the book and then once you change that it's just like they say that You know the more you give the more you receive, you know You get more generous with money and another thing I learned from you is how generous you are And so I'm like well,
01:31:45.000And I know that sounds very cliche, but there's power in love.
01:31:49.000And when you're generous, and when you're kind, and when you're complimentary, and when you're appreciative, and you're grateful, that's love.
01:33:12.000Yeah, that sort of cancels out what I'm saying, or that's another perspective that's in hand.
01:33:17.000We get so locked into protecting our ego and protecting our identity and shielding ourselves From fear and the fear of the unknown and the fear of other people and the big leaps that I've made in my life have all come from abandoning that.
01:34:08.000Life is all of these creatures that we call human beings existing for this very short amount of time.
01:34:14.000And you could spend that short amount of time, that hundred years, if you're lucky, you could spend that hundred years being a creep and being an asshole and hating your neighbor and hating everybody else.
01:34:23.000Or you could just forgive people and just be as nice as you can and reserve the real hate and anger for when you're fucking protecting your life or you're protecting loved ones or...
01:35:40.000I mean, I was talking to Jocko about this, with this Origen thing that we're involved in.
01:35:47.000That's one thing that I've noticed with Jocko and Origen and the men involved in this, is that it doesn't seem like there's an ego that's protecting things.
01:35:57.000It's always taken in that positive light.
01:36:52.000There's so much going on, and I'm a different person 15 times a day, you know, depending upon whether I've eaten, whether I'm tired, whether I got good news or bad news.
01:37:03.000It's hard to navigate through that weird sort of river of emotions and expectations and anxiety and just be consistent.
01:37:14.000And have these principles that you follow by, like be honest, be truthful, be nice whenever possible, be disciplined, be grateful, get through it.
01:37:24.000But if you can do that, you can write a fucking book like Cam Haynes and it'll be awesome!
01:40:03.000And what I know about in the now is that I have a human body that has, it's a 54-year-old body that has been a part of the genetic chain that has evolved for hundreds of thousands of years when it had to fight off predators and hide from warring tribes and go to battle against intruders and find food for your children.
01:40:33.000It needs problems, it needs to find solutions, it needs work, it needs stress.
01:40:39.000You know, I got up this morning, took my kid to school, and then I went and did a fucking brutal leg workout.
01:40:46.000No one's over my shoulder telling me how to do it.
01:43:01.000You know, it's just like, so if you just take the path of least resistance, man, you're not maximizing your life.
01:43:08.000And obviously for people out there that have to work 16 hours a day and you have a very difficult physical job, you don't have the time or the energy to do other things, I get it.
01:46:25.000I think it was more than the Mongolians.
01:46:27.000They said their bone structure changed.
01:46:29.000Which makes sense, because if you're doing this for war...
01:46:33.000And it's like whether or not your arrow can pierce armor, whether or not your arrow can go through like these thick cowhide shields that they put on or whatever they had on them, wood or whether it was metal.
01:48:54.000Yeah, and he's still, I mean, there wasn't long ago, I met him down there, he talks about this in the book, and we went on a 20-mile run, and he's grinding, I mean, running hard.
01:49:10.000But this video, this English Longbowman, and then you talk about your body adapting, me saying that your body gives what you ask of it, it's 100% true.
01:49:42.000You don't want to get yourself to a position where all your ligaments blow apart and your shoulders fall off.
01:49:47.000You've got to work your way up to it, but have some goals and do it Think of it the same way you think about medicine.
01:49:54.000If you had a disease, let's think if you had a disease and they said, hey, Cam, we got bad news.
01:50:00.000The bad news is you have a terrible disease and it's going to destroy your body and it's going to destroy your life and it's going to destroy your mind and it's going to leave you depressed and it's going to leave you sad and despondent, but we have a cure.
01:50:14.000That cure is exercise, and you gotta take that cure every day.
01:50:18.000And if you don't take that cure every day, you're gonna go down the road that the standard American diet practitioner has.
01:50:25.000You're gonna get diabetes, you're gonna be fat, you're gonna have arthritis, you're gonna be fucked.
01:50:29.000But if you do, you're gonna thrive, and you're gonna live a life like you and I are both 54 years old, and that's fucking old for someone who works out like we do.
01:50:39.000When we were kids, you remember what you thought about a 54-year-old?
01:51:47.000I don't know if she's crazy because it's hard because you get an impression of someone through social media and it's very difficult to find out if that's really who they are.
01:55:33.000Because they can set up programs to watch things change and update and immediately put comments on it.
01:55:38.000Now that they can add photos to it too, it's kind of ruined the platform.
01:55:42.000Have you seen the way they used to do it, where they used to have a whole shelf filled with cell phones, and they were all connected with wires in the wall?
01:56:14.000What's interesting is, when Elon Musk said that he was going to buy Twitter, and then he made an offer and Twitter accepted it, immediately...
01:56:23.000I started getting way more followers, and I mean way more followers.
01:56:27.000From the time that Elon Musk said that he was going to buy Twitter and they accepted it, I have gained 800,000 followers now.
01:57:50.000I mean, it's not like you're promoting this one thing and they're like, well, this isn't healthy or this isn't I know, but for a lot of people, I represent anti-masks or anti-viral, anti-vaccine.
01:58:01.000You just said you want a mask like this.
01:58:03.000But it's like a lot of people, because of all the shit that I went through with COVID, a lot of people put me into this category because of the conversation that I've had with Robert Malone and Peter McCullough.
01:58:20.000One thing, I'm just looking at your feed, one thing I could guess would be They don't like when you, not you specifically, but when people post a lot of text on a thing.
02:00:05.000But it's not like the platform's necessarily doing it.
02:00:08.000They're just sort of like letting it I wish we had two accounts that had the exact same amount of followers, and we posted the exact same post, and put one of them, and then said, boost this post, and spent money.
02:00:22.000Spent the maximum amount of money that you can, and the other one not, and see what the difference is.
02:00:27.000Because I wonder what the return would be.
02:01:23.000The last day, if they didn't get those 100,000 views, they only had 50,000, they might spend some money to show that they got 100,000 views just to show you, the client, that they did all their work.
02:01:32.000I wonder what's the most amount you could spend on a post?
02:01:57.000$10,000 to $20,000 on the platform, but if you want to spend a million, they'll just have a phone call with you like, what do you want to do?
02:04:25.000You can fake that you ran every day, and then you sign up for a race, and your time will tell you whether you've been lying this whole time, right?
02:07:04.000And then we got up to this bench and it's kind of this bedding area.
02:07:06.000It was like, I remember it was just amazing looking elk country, but we went past it and then we went up and And we kind of were side hill and those bulls were going crazy down here and you almost had a shot at a bull and then we kind of went up.
02:07:18.000But it's like that whole push to keep that wind right as the thermals were going up.
02:07:48.000I remember one of the first times we ever hunted together, we were at this ranch, and you said, I'm gonna go check to see what's over the top of this hill, like I hear this bull, and you just ran up the hill.
02:08:02.000And the dude that I was with goes, what the fuck, man?
02:09:27.000And you can get your body to a much more robust state where you can, you can't do it like they do it, but you can do it a lot better than regular people can do it and it'll make the difference between success and failure.
02:10:41.000You know, because they're just lying to themselves.
02:10:44.000There's people, and I mention people like that in the book, because I have a lot of good quotes, and I've taken a lot of inspiration from people like Michael Jordan.
02:10:53.000I remember Kobe had, I think, I just saw a clip the other day of Allen Iverson, another great Hall of Famer, and he said when they'd got to the club, Kobe would go to the gym.
02:11:05.000And he's like, it's why there's only one Kobe.
02:11:18.000Run home with shoes on, with like, well, he had sneakers on, but run home with like pants on, like jeans and a shirt with a gold chain.
02:11:25.000And he'd be running down the Vegas Strip, shadowboxing at 2 o'clock in the morning, where everybody else was like throwing up in a dumpster.
02:11:54.000Do you want to be elite or do you want to be normal?
02:11:56.000Well, if you want to be elite, you're going to have to step out of what normal people would think or what they do and how they think and how they approach things.
02:12:22.000There are genetics involved and there are limitations physically.
02:12:27.000If you're 60 years old and you're listening to this and you're 350 pounds, Your goal should not be to be the next Michael Jordan.
02:12:35.000Your goal should be to be healthy, and that is 100% possible.
02:12:39.000There was a guy, I was watching a video of him the other day, and one of the reasons why I was watching this video is because it had Oh my god, I had me and a couple other people talking over the video.
02:12:54.000Someone had sent it, and it was just talking about doing things.
02:12:57.000And the video was this guy being really fat, and at the end of the video, he'd lost 160 pounds.
02:13:28.000You know, that's this whole, we talk about this ripple effect.
02:13:31.000Well, you're going to do this, then that's going to impact this guy, then this guy, then this guy, then their kids, then who knows what, and collectively, you know, the rising tide lifts all boats.
02:13:41.000That video that I sent you made me feel good and got me inspired, watching this guy with literally my quotes and wearing a t-shirt of you and I, and this guy got in shape and I got fired up.
02:15:30.000I think that's one of the beautiful things about social media is that You know, there's a lot of toxicity, but it's really just like what you gravitate towards.
02:16:14.000I'm interested in what a person had to go through to become who they are, like the Francis Ngannou story or with a guy who lost 160 pounds.
02:16:37.000And a lot of people, they complain about algorithms, rightly so, that if you only gravitate towards negative things, and the algorithm only shows you negative things, and you just always like to be upset, and the algorithm always shows you things you're upset.
02:16:51.000But my algorithm is filled with a lot of cool shit.
02:18:32.000Archery, if there's a thing that I've learned about difficult stuff, all of that could be learned through archery.
02:18:42.000And one of the things about archery that's amazing is that at the moment when you're aiming and releasing and executing your shot, you don't think about anything else.
02:19:03.000But where you can have tunnel, it requires tunnel vision focus.
02:19:06.000That's one reason why I think the cold tubs are good, too, because you can't think about anything else but that fucking cold tub and how miserable it is.
02:19:14.000But it takes your brain and it does something to it.
02:20:11.000But shooting with how dedicated you are with training and everything in your life, it's went hand in hand with archery because you've just been so all in on it and it shows with your performance.
02:22:14.000Is there's this, I sent it to you, this old series called The Men Who Built America.
02:22:19.000I don't know if, you probably haven't had a chance to watch it, but it's about, you know, John Rockefeller, all these people who came over, built America, like the railroad system, which we pretty much still use, oil, kerosene, lights, you know, we're a dark society and kerosene brought light.
02:22:37.000And so how basically we've evolved as a country in an industry is And in some weird way, this origin story reminds me of that because, you know, as they tell so well, origin and Pete and Jocko and Kip's involved too,
02:22:53.000but bringing these factories back to making American clothing and camo and bringing this work back to America.
02:23:09.000And the company Origin that Jocko's put together is beautiful because all those people are really proud to do that, to make American-made goods.
02:23:16.000And I have four pairs of their boots that I bought.
02:23:39.000Well, during the pandemic, a lot of people realized, like, hey, it's not good to rely on something that's made on another fucking country that's across the ocean when you might not even be able to get a ship over there to bring it over here.
02:23:50.000And we're finding that about with chips for cars because there's a shortage, the supply chain shortage.
02:24:42.000You get an iPhone from China, you're getting it from someone that's working in a factory where you're surrounded by nets to keep you from jumping off the fucking roof.
02:24:58.000I know that some people are struggling to just buy an iPhone for what it costs now or any kind of phone.
02:25:04.000But if there was a fucking phone that was made in America and I knew that the people who worked there had dental and healthcare and they're paid well and, you know, they have benefits, I would fucking buy it in a heartbeat.
02:25:42.000Look, when jobs went overseas, I mean, everybody knows the story of that movie Roger and Me, but that's all about jobs leaving Flint, Michigan and going overseas and going to different countries and destroying the economies of these cities.
02:25:56.000And many of these cities have never returned.
02:26:19.000Starkly aware like it's it's a the contrast between What it used to be it used to be one of the richest cities in the world to what it is now where you see Abandoned buildings.
02:26:31.000Yeah skyscrapers with every window missing.
02:26:33.000It's wild It's wild and it's all from industry pulling out so they can make more money somewhere else and just destroying Yeah.
02:37:23.000It says a watch, oh, a watch that isn't in original condition or possibly has fake components, but that's turned into something of a misnomer.
02:37:31.000To me, a Frankenstein watch, a Franken-watch is cobbled together with often real but not necessary correct parts, says Nick Pardo.
02:37:40.000Previously a vintage watch expert at analog shift, which specializes in excessively priced timepieces.
02:37:47.000So you have a dial from one model, hands from another, and it's built up from random parts.
02:37:56.000So instead of, like, if you've got an expensive watch that's correct, has the correct bezel and the correct band, like it's got a different band and a different bezel or something like that.
02:41:04.000We've got to pull it out of the stops.
02:41:06.000Hasn't someone on this podcast complained that their book didn't get on the New York Times seller list even though they sold enough copies to be on the New York Times bestseller list?
02:43:35.000Well, I think this is a good opportunity for the New York Times bestseller list to turn over a new leaf.
02:43:41.000Well, I don't think your book is something that they're going to have a problem with.
02:43:46.000Your book is basically something that, regardless of your political ideology, this is all about mindset and hard work and a person who's endured a lot in life.
02:43:58.000And I think everyone can benefit from it.
02:44:00.000I mean, I know a lot of people that are very progressive and left-wing and they love the content that you put out.