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00:00:43.000You've never been especially susceptible to...
00:00:48.000I feel like fame was eased on you, like, incrementally, and then, like, a lot at once, but you were so used to that you were just like, hmm.
00:01:14.000I mean, I got on television when I was 26 or 27, the first show that I ever did, and I wasn't famous.
00:01:22.000You know, I was like, oh, there's a guy that I think I might have saw you on TV. And then it's like slowly over time built to Fear Factor, and then the UFC, and then ultimately the podcast.
00:01:33.000And then, you know, then the latest version of the podcast, which is just impossible to handle.
00:01:39.000If you were a normal person that just went right into that, you would lose your fucking mind.
00:04:43.000They just, I mean, the writing was on the wall.
00:04:46.000When I saw what happened with Ari, and this is not happening, when they fucked that up, I was like, Jesus Christ.
00:04:52.000And that was about him doing an hour for them, right?
00:04:54.000It was about him doing an hour for Netflix.
00:04:56.000He got an offer for Netflix, which was more money, and more exposure, and a bigger deal, and he decided to do that.
00:05:03.000And by the way, this is a special that he produced himself.
00:05:06.000Self-produced, bought it, you know, paid for it, did the whole thing.
00:05:11.000And they said that if you do it at Netflix, even though he was legally able to do it at Netflix, contractually able to do it at Netflix, if you do it at Netflix, we're going to cancel your show.
00:06:22.000All those people had counted on that money.
00:06:25.000And he was really bummed out that they were going to lose that money.
00:06:28.000And also, like, he was not going to give in to this bullying.
00:06:31.000Like, them saying that they're going to cancel the show, if he goes over to Netflix, he goes, well, then you're going to fucking cancel the show.
00:06:51.000But, like, to be there when Ari created that show in the improv lab, back when the lab was a real lab, remember it was that shitty little dark room in the back, which was really pretty good, until they kind of fucked it up.
00:08:46.000And he set it up there and I watched him for years develop that and then eventually take it to the store and then eventually take it on the road and then eventually sell it to Comedy Central.
00:15:05.000Well, what happens with those shows is the network and the executives and the production company realize that there's a big windfall when this motherfucker's over and it's going to continue forever.
00:15:17.000You're going to be able to sell those DVDs.
00:15:19.000You're going to be able to sell the streaming.
00:15:23.000Yeah, and the windfall will last forever, and you could be short-sighted as an actor and not recognize that this is something like The Honeymooners that's just gonna exist in the ether forever, and someone always gonna be selling it and buying it.
00:15:36.000Well, that's the thing, like Seinfeld, Friends, Seinfeld, those syndication deals are every three years.
00:15:45.000So when they go, Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld got $100 million, it's like, they got $100 million.
00:15:54.000It's every three or four years, and then they sold it to Hulu, Netflix, and then all these streaming places started showing up, and HBO Plus, and there was no exclusivity.
00:16:58.000And then they put the DVD out, and we're like, oh cool, they put the DVD out, and then we opened up some paper, and it was number one, and we're like, number one, $20 a pop, how many?
00:17:11.000And then you start going like, well wait, I'm making, nah, this is wrong.
00:17:16.000This is fucked up, and then you have to, then you renegotiate.
00:17:20.000But you were lucky in that you had these existing numbers that someone could audit and find out, like, no, no, no, he gets this many YouTube views, he gets this many streams.
00:17:34.000Yeah, that's what's so much more interesting about this versus Netflix, because Netflix doesn't tell you jack shit.
00:17:39.000Like, when you do a special on Netflix...
00:17:41.000There you go, they just do a good job.
00:20:24.000Where they feel like trapped in this...
00:20:26.000Well Metzger's great at that too because Metzger recognizes culty shit early on like he was like he was one of the first guys calling this woke stuff cult like he's like they're in a cult he goes I know what a cult is he goes I fucking grew up in one he goes all this shit is like you can't question it you can't look at it any other way other than the way they tell you to look at its fucking cult stuff yeah and this was He was saying this eight years ago.
00:21:52.000His monologues, because he's really like an old-school liberal.
00:21:57.000He hasn't changed his stance on things.
00:22:00.000He's always been progressive, always been open-minded, but he's one of those guys that has the courage to go, what the fuck are you guys talking about?
00:24:37.000I actually think that the Ukraine shit is like a good, it's positive in terms of like everyone thought Russia was this like, you know, huge fighting force and it turned out to be very disorganized and fucked up.
00:24:50.000It's very disorganized, very fucked up, and according to people that I'm friends with that were talking about the weapons, one of the problems is there's so much corruption in Russia that their weapons systems are fucked.
00:25:03.000And because they were charging for the latest and they were- They're skimping.
00:25:07.000Cutting corners, making dogshit weapons, and on top of that, the style of warfare that they have to engage in because of the way the ground is there, they have to go on these roads.
00:25:18.000So all the Ukrainians do is get to the side of the road and wait for them to come towards him and then fucking shoot him.
00:25:23.000It really looks like a fucking nightmare.
00:26:54.000Well, I mean, most of the professors I know are just like, they happen to get tenure and like fucking cool.
00:26:59.000It's like you get guaranteed $55,000 a year job.
00:27:03.000Well, it's also you don't have to worry about whether or not you're going to get fired.
00:27:08.000You know, there's some professors that have proposed some pretty outrageous shit, and they can't get rid of them because they have tenure.
00:27:14.000Like, there's this guy, Peter Duisburg.
00:27:17.000He's a professor of biology at the University of California, Berkeley, and he was one of the guys that I had on early in the podcast that was, like, really controversial.
00:27:25.000Because Spin Magazine did an article about him years ago.
00:27:32.000It was, he was proposing that HIV was not the cause of AIDS, but that HIV was a weak virus that only existed because the people's immune systems were already compromised.
00:27:49.000And he was proposing that they were compromised from drugs, and that if you looked at the cases where people had AIDS, the vast majority of them were heavy drug users.
00:27:59.000Like, they were doing party drugs and amyl nitrate and poppers and crystal meth and all that shit, and he was saying that that stuff destroys your immune system.
00:28:08.000Widely dismissed by the scientific community.
00:28:10.000I mean, all the other doctors completely disagreed with him.
00:28:13.000There was a lot of literature that showed that he was completely incorrect, but that guy's a tenured professor.
00:28:17.000Who's done, like, really rock-solid work on cancer and some other things.
00:28:28.000I think most likely there's a kernel of truth in what he's saying, in that drugs do compromise your immune system.
00:28:36.000And if you do get HIV while you're doing all these drugs, you are going to have a compromised immune system and you're fucked.
00:28:42.000And then on top of that, you're also, like, when you're doing a lot of drugs and you're partying and stuff like that, that's probably you're more likely to get HIV because you're taking chances.
00:30:06.000Yeah, World Health Organization's emergency department said that the leading theory was sexual transmission among gay and bisexual men at two raves held in Spain and Belgium.
00:30:25.000Both viruses can cause flu-like symptoms, but monkeypox also triggers enlarged lymph nodes as well, and eventually distinctive fluid-filled lesions on the face, hands, and feet.
00:30:37.000Most people recover from monkeypox in a few weeks without treatment.
00:30:41.000This feels like, once most people recover from monkeypox in a few weeks without treatment, it's like, I shouldn't know about this.
00:30:54.000I mean, I think it's like less than 50. Let's ask this.
00:30:58.000How many people have gotten monkeypox?
00:31:00.000Because when I was looking at it, they were tracking, at one point there was 11 cases that they're aware of, of monkey pox in this one area.
00:33:05.000They set up rifles with long-range scopes on them and shoot them because when these prairie dogs leave their holes, cows and horses step in those holes because it's the size of their foot and snap their legs.
00:34:50.000And in exchange for the alleviation of fear, it dulls your senses in some ways.
00:34:56.000But it also, there's things that it does that are good.
00:35:00.000There's little doors that open up when I have a couple of drinks, where I'm like, what the fuck is that?
00:35:05.000And then you start talking about something that you might not talk about, or you see something in a way that you might not see it, or you laugh at something you might not laugh at.
00:35:19.000I mean, I do on the podcast sometimes.
00:35:21.000I've had some podcasts with some guys.
00:35:23.000The one we do with Shane Gillis, Mark Norman, and Ari, we do this thing called Protect Our Parks, and we do it every couple months, and we get obliterated.
00:37:40.000You probably had an hour before COVID. Yeah, it was ready.
00:37:43.000I was ready before COVID, but it's better off that I didn't do it then.
00:37:47.000Because honestly, one thing that I've learned is that, you know, this is this thing where you want to do a new hour as quickly as you can because it's kind of impressive.
00:37:56.000And when Louis was at the top of his game...
00:41:10.000Yeah, I was at his half hour, that bad half hour that he saved into, him and my brother taped the same night, and Hedberg was just eating shit.
00:41:21.000And he started talking about it, eating shit.
00:41:23.000And I think they made it longer or something.
00:41:26.000It was for Comedy Central, and it was a great thing because he just owned up to the fact that this isn't going good.
00:42:33.000Sorry, this Black Rifle coffee, it's filled with caffeine, but it's also got some kind of milk product in it, and it gives me phlegm, unfortunately.
00:42:41.000If you're doing that much coke, and you're drinking, and you're with a girl who punches you in the face, The idea that you are a monk through that and that you're not participating in some of the screaming and yelling and the chaos, that doesn't seem logical.
00:42:58.000It seems like a guy who is like really peaceful and really calm all the time would never get involved with someone that volatile and crazy in the first week.
00:43:30.000No, this is in the blimp, where we would travel.
00:43:34.000The thing is, there's clearly some deception going on, and that's why this is a valuable insight for people, because people like that exist.
00:43:42.000People like that, where they try to change reality to suit them and make you look like a monster, to make them look like a victim, so that they can gain some sort of social credit or attention.
00:43:57.000Usually, you can get away with those things if you don't talk too much.
00:44:01.000You can get away with those things if it's just an accusation.
00:44:37.000And when you're that hot, you know, I mean, and that crazy and probably really fun to be around, like when she likes you, I bet it's so much fun, right?
00:44:46.000She's obviously, she's got these very intelligent, super successful guys, and she had them chasing her around.
00:44:53.000She must have been a spectacular person to be around when she was fun.
00:44:58.000But you guys are doing coke, and you're drinking, and you're going crazy, and you get to hear the versions of the story that just don't make sense, and you go, oh, this is just bullshit.
00:47:02.000When she's questioning, when they're going over the thing about whether or not you gave the money away to charity, yeah, I pledged the money.
00:47:54.000Because he probably knew, when people would see her, if you would confront her with all the facts, like we've seen, they'd be like, oh my god, this is like a criminal enterprise.
00:49:00.000But that's just, you know, those people exist, man.
00:49:04.000You can get stuck with them, you know?
00:49:07.000They're guys that try to get you to loan them money because they've got an amazing deal and some poor girl just says, okay, I mean, I really believe in you, baby.
00:53:29.000I think he hurt his knee, and then it becomes like a compensation.
00:53:37.000Wow, almost quit golf in his prime to become a Navy SEAL. Oh my god!
00:53:42.000Tiger Woods arguably the greatest golfer to ever play in the PGA Tour, but he almost cut his career short in the middle of his prime to join the military.
00:53:49.000That's right, Woods nearly walked away from the sport he dominated in 2006 to become a Navy SEAL. Thankfully though, he stuck to golf.
00:54:00.000Yeah, his dad was a SEAL, and he would go to Coronado, Bud's Compound, then he started training himself, and then he tore something, and then it's a domino effect.
00:54:17.000Well, I know Jamie knows a shitload about Tiger Woods.
00:58:26.000Well, if it is a hinge, that's probably better if it moves a little because they have these titanium ones that I have a couple of friends who have gotten them done.
00:58:37.000Aljamain Sterling, who we were talking about earlier, he actually had his spine done like that where he's got one of his discs have been replaced with an artificial disc.
00:58:55.000You know, sometimes you need it, but sometimes things can be mitigated with other ways.
00:59:01.000I know rolfing, I know guys who've had bulging discs that they had a, because everything was like so tight in the area, they had a good experience with rolfers, which are like really intense massages, very painful.
00:59:12.000I got Rolfed and it led to a very weird diagnosis.
00:59:18.000The Rolfer I went to, his wife did cranial sacral therapy, which is like your neck, head, kind of spatial massage, realignment, whatever.
00:59:32.000He's telling me about his wife and he goes, she handles people that have divergent vision.
01:02:31.000He could switch stances, but he would fight with his left foot forward predominantly, and he had a really good left hook, which is how he won the title.
01:02:47.000Yeah, he got kicked in the head and got a detached retina and then had surgery on that and then had subsequent injuries and then eventually it kept getting worse and worse.
01:02:59.000And it got to the point where now he said he could only tell like if the light is on or off.
01:03:04.000Like he could tell if someone switched the light on or off but he can't see anything.
01:03:16.000Like, I'm only right eye now, and the left is soft, and now I just went over to the left.
01:03:20.000Well, I would also assume that, like, you would think that everybody sees stuff the way you do, because that's the only way you've ever seen it.
01:03:27.000And then the minute he said it, I was like, that.
01:04:24.000Does it meander, or is it like the velocity keeps it on the same trajectory?
01:04:32.000Well, it's not the velocity that keeps it on the same trajectory, but there's fletchings, which you'd think of as feathers, or the back end.
01:04:41.000There's different configurations, and different configurations provide more stability.
01:04:47.000I use a four-fletch configuration, And so you have four things steering the arrow.
01:04:52.000And then you have broadheads that are designed to fly well.
01:04:57.000They're designed to have good aerodynamic characteristics.
01:05:01.000And there's like things about the shapes of the broadheads.
01:05:17.000Slow-mo, it's a little flex, but I'm wondering, you're aiming at the bullseye, and the trajectory is from the exit to the bullseye is like...
01:05:31.000As it keeps going, it's going to straighten out more.
01:05:35.000That's the whole idea about the fletchings and the whole idea about the spine of the shaft.
01:05:40.000And when you shoot and you release an arrow, it's got all this force coming off of that string.
01:07:12.000If I dial it down, now I'm in 40 yards, now I'm in 50 yards, and I can do it up and down with a dial.
01:07:16.000So I can put it right on where 60 yards is and then hold the pin on it, and if I release the arrow properly, it's going to go right exactly where my pin is.
01:07:25.000But it does take a little bit of calibration.
01:07:28.000It takes a little bit of calibration, yeah.
01:07:31.000I mean, you have to run things through a computer program, and then you have to cite in your 20 and 60 yards.
01:07:36.000Like, you have to figure out where your 20 is, and then you back up until 60, and once you're super confident, then you put the tape on.
01:07:42.000And then once you put the tape on, now you have everything from 20 dialed up to 120 yards, because it's all done in math.
01:07:48.000It's all done in how much the bow is going to release with so much energy, but how much energy is there after 20 yards, after 30 yards, it's going to slowly start to drop and come down.
01:07:58.000And that's all calculated in this computer program that allows you to spin the bow to exactly where the yardage is.
01:08:04.000And before they had that, it was just like...
01:08:07.000No, before they had that, look, there's guys like my friend Aaron Snyder took a couple of years off of, he's a really good, like, elite, top of the food chain bow hunter, and he took time off from bow hunting with a compound bone to just use traditional archery equipment.
01:08:23.000So he was using a recurve bow, and he still was killing everything.
01:08:28.000Because he's just a really good hunter.
01:08:30.000But he also got very good with that bow.
01:08:32.000And there's all these videos of him in his yard of doing these 40-yard groups with traditional archery, just all stuck in this apple-sized group of arrows.
01:09:26.000But it's like, it's probably, there's something probably more connected about that because there's only like the string in the wood.
01:09:35.000There's no cables and all this fucking, these cams.
01:09:39.000Like my bow has a cam on the top and a cam on the bottom and as you pull the bow back the cams give you a mechanical advantage so it rolls over and it's all like super high-tech shit.
01:09:50.000So when you release an arrow from one of those, it's like you're kind of like almost like less connected to it than if you are, you know, pulling back some recurve bow and letting it go with your fingers.
01:10:01.000That's probably, you're probably even more connected to it.
01:11:29.000I think it's an exercise for keeping the mind active in a way that makes it non-competitive in regular everyday life.
01:11:38.000And it makes it more compatible to socialization and to community and to just hanging out.
01:11:45.000I think you need to do difficult things or you try to do difficult things with people.
01:11:49.000I think a lot of people start conflict because they don't have enough struggle, like physical struggle.
01:11:55.000I think you need something that's hard to do, whether it's a mental thing like playing chess, or whether it's a physical thing like yoga.
01:12:03.000I think you need difficult things, and I think when you don't have difficult things, I think you make difficult things, and I think you make difficult things out of your life.
01:12:10.000I think there's a lot of people that I know that would be way better off if they had some conflict resolution voluntarily, like just got out and exercised, did something like archery.
01:12:20.000Do you think bow archery is conflict resolution, or you think it's...
01:13:36.000And so I think people that don't have hobbies, you don't have things that you enjoy, and especially things that you're trying to improve at, I think you're doing yourself a disservice.
01:13:45.000And for me, one of the things I like to do is archery because it's kind of difficult.
01:13:49.000Like when you're at full draw and you're trying to hit a target and you're trying to use perfect form and relax and just a little move this way or this way and you're going to be off by it.
01:14:27.000And then you'll flub the thing you're saying, and like, oh, that fucking joke's coming up.
01:14:32.000And then you'll flub it again, thereby ruining the thing you're, because you're thinking about the, I mean, again, the brain, I think, is, the default is to think about the past and the future.
01:15:26.000Imagine, though, if that's what you did all day.
01:15:29.000Imagine being a news broadcaster, where you're standing in front of the monitor, talking to you live from downtown Los Angeles, where the mayor is interviewing.
01:16:35.000There was a book called Amusing Ourselves to Death, which is by Neil Postman, and it's, like, one of the best books about media I've ever read.
01:16:42.000It came out in 1989. Everything he said was true.
01:16:46.000And he said that the McNeil-Lair PBS NewsHour, one of the McNeil-Lair said, once we put music under the news, we were cooked.
01:17:02.000Music is an emotional cue, and it makes it a story, and it's good guys and bad guys and heroes and Joseph Campbell shit, and it used to just be ticker tape.
01:20:40.000When you get the press secretary job, you've got your whole thing.
01:20:44.000It's like I always make a joke with white basketball players where I'm like, if you can't get an announcing job when you're done, because they're just dying for a fucking J.J. Reddick.
01:20:56.000And J.J. Reddick's great, but a cute white dude who played in the NBA for 15 years.
01:21:39.000A local, a guy who played for Cleveland, and then, like, Kevin Love will probably be announced for Cleveland in two years, and then, like, an announcer.
01:21:50.000But they'll have, like, back in your day, da-da-da-da, and they'll have that guy for color, and they'll have just, like, a regular announcer who's probably from anywhere.
01:21:57.000And then when it gets to the finals...
01:21:59.000When it's on TNT and ESPN, there's an ESPN team and a TNT team.
01:22:05.000And then they have famous people do it.
01:22:17.000First of all, when you see it on TV, it's one thing, but when you see the guys running in real life and you could see the strategy map out, you see how they're maneuvering themselves, like, oh, this is a pretty fucking complex game.
01:26:18.000This is a big family problem, is I played soccer one year, and you were...
01:26:26.000Like they said, get shin guards at the beginning of the year, and I realized...
01:26:33.000I was like, everything was a hand-me-down.
01:26:36.000So we had to wear a cup and shin guards, and I was eight, and the cup I got from somebody, from one of my older brothers, was too big.
01:26:50.000So by the end of the year, I had bruises on my thighs and really bad bruises on my shins, because when they said shin guards, my family said, you mean knee pads?
01:27:03.000That we're gonna just tell Neil our shin guards.
01:27:06.000And I didn't realize that it was supposed to be hard.
01:29:22.000Well, you kind of get it around the edge, but basically when you're kicking guys, you're kicking them like right, you want to get your shin like right into here, and there's not a lot to protect you there.
01:29:34.000So when someone can chop away, it goes right into the nerves, and sometimes it just short circuits your foot, and your foot just goes numb and dangles.
01:29:42.000Like Michael Chandler actually lost a fight from that.
01:29:45.000Like the referee stopped the fight because his foot wasn't working.
01:30:12.000So, in this fight, it was with Brent Primus, and so he hit him a bunch of times with really good low calf kicks, and you see his leg is giving out.
01:30:35.000It's totally a nerve thing, and he's trying to punch him, but look, you can tell he's got no balance because his left leg is just not working.
01:31:57.000And they'll do it slowly and, you know, take in some fruits and some, depends on what kind of food they eat, but they'll, they have to kind of slowly start eating again, the ones who cut a lot of weight.
01:32:07.000What do you attribute the fights at weigh-ins to?
01:36:00.000I bet the amount of detachment that you get when you're a dictator, you know, they talk about the amount of detachment you get when you're wealthy, they talk about the amount of detachment you get when you're famous, and then it becomes like when you're a famous politician, like the amount of detachment you must get, like how do you relate to the regular folks when you're the President of the United States?
01:37:00.000Yeah, Adam Curtis, where it's just like they create this weird, you don't know what...
01:37:04.000Is real what you saw, what it's contradicted, state messaging, reality, like where they've done things where they would change stories.
01:37:18.000Like, when they were bombing, they had, like, false flag shit with Chechnya and all that shit, and then they would change the story, like, five times in an hour.
01:37:26.000On TV. And then, so by the end of it, you're like, I don't fucking know.
01:37:34.000So, they, I think they have, like, limited...
01:37:39.000I was in China right before COVID. I was scouting COVID. I was in China, and you can use VPNs, which is like you can get around the sort of...
01:37:55.000Yeah, they call it a mesh curtain, meaning like, it's a curtain, but you can get, yeah.
01:38:03.000And then, but my buddy told me that when there's like a big state operation, VPNs don't work.
01:38:10.000Like, there's just levels to the amount of shit that they can control.
01:38:16.000But up until the invasion of Ukraine, Russia's internet, was it basically open, like ours?
01:38:25.000Since 2012, Russia maintains a centralized internet blacklist known as the single register maintained by the federal service for supervision of communications, information, technology, and mass media.
01:42:11.000This is welcome to Putin's rally tournament.
01:42:13.000Kraft explained the incident to those in attendance at Carnegie Hall's Medal of Excellence Gala, saying, I took out the ring and showed it to Putin, and he put it on and he goes, I can kill someone with this ring.
01:42:25.000Put my hand out, and he put it in his pocket, and three KGB guys got around him and walked out.
01:42:32.000So he just put it in his pocket and said, I'll pick this.
01:45:35.000Oh yeah, me and Shob, there's a YouTube video of us that is animated of us talking about how they have chocolate body because you're not allowed to do blackface so they get all the way up to the face and they don't do the face because they used to do the face.
01:45:50.000They can't get away with that anymore.
01:45:53.000It's fucking super white, Bill Burr looking guys.
01:48:26.000Well, Ronnie, unfortunately, was a guy who suffered from a lot of back injuries and worked through them because he's so tough that he would blow his back out in mid-set and keep doing the squats and just destroyed his back.
01:48:39.000And he's had every single disc in his back fused now.
01:51:52.000The thing about the biggest bodybuilders, sometimes they don't feel big, they feel small, and so they'll wear bulky clothes to cover their body.
01:58:48.000The mental illness is what freaks me out.
01:58:51.000That leads them to thinking it's good.
01:58:52.000Yeah, the thinking that that looks good.
01:58:54.000Like when they want to get their lips done crazy, and then they want to get them fixed, and the doctor's trying to fix it, and they're like, shit.
01:58:59.000The only way you can get plastic surgery that's any good is to not have friends that have also done it.
01:59:07.000So that people are giving you an honest appraisal.
01:59:10.000Some people get it done and you're like, this shit looks good.
02:01:31.000It's like just acknowledge what it's like.
02:01:33.000I'm just waiting for fat bodybuilding because that's one of the things that Helen Prochrose and James Lindsay and Peter Boghossian, when they had those fake grievance studies, one of the things they wrote about, they had fake papers that got critically acclaimed and they got reviewed and even won awards for fake papers.
02:01:50.000But one of them was about fat bodybuilding.
02:01:53.000They were talking about bodybuilding being more inclusive to fat people.
02:01:59.000They wrote this nonsense fake paper that got reviewed.
02:02:05.000But I'm not thinking that's too far off, man.
02:02:08.000Have you seen this whole Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue thing where it's like people are talking about these people's bodies and this is terrible.
02:02:21.000Because what it used to be, the swimsuit issue used to be, look at these insane bodies of these incredible athletes and these gorgeous models that are like, you know, the rarest of rare human beings.
02:03:07.000Like, you're still saying, you're still putting value on symmetry, or skin, or shape, or something that people can't control.
02:03:16.000So it's just like a little less hypocritical, but it's still, either you're talking about like, she has a beautiful spirit, just put a paraplegic, put someone who is just, or someone who's a great writer, or a great comedian, or someone that's like a great,
02:04:05.000Yeah, it was a sign of no one had food, and the people who had food were high status.
02:04:10.000And once we learned about nutrition, and once we learned about health and arteries...
02:04:19.000I don't think the beauty standard changed.
02:04:21.000I would argue good skin would work at any period in the last 14,000 years.
02:04:27.000Here's an undeniable truth that we accept wholeheartedly with men.
02:04:33.000When you are overweight, you have more of a chance of having a heart attack, more of a chance of all sorts of other cardiovascular issues, all kinds of increased inflammatory markers that lead to a bunch of different diabetes.
02:05:06.000So it's either you are the rarest of rare that had literally no say in what you ate and someone fed you and turned you into that thing and you really wish you didn't have to eat all that food.
02:05:17.000I think some people have like hormonal or glandular...
02:06:42.000But if you try to say that it's healthy, you're really talking crazy.
02:06:45.000And the reason why I have to say anything about it is because there's probably someone out there that might believe you.
02:06:51.000There's probably someone out there that's listening to that and saying, oh, it is healthy to be 150 pounds overweight, and they don't give a fuck about the fact that they're overweight.
02:06:58.000And maybe, maybe, if they didn't hear you say that, they would take into consideration the fact that these people that aren't this heavy seem to be happier.
02:07:22.000But then slowly but surely they came to the realization that it's a terrible life choice.
02:07:26.000And then they did the right thing, they ate well, they dieted, they exercised, and they slowly but surely got to a healthy weight and they feel infinitely better.
02:07:52.000But the reality of what we know about the human body is if you continue to be grossly overweight for long periods of time, there's a high likelihood that something's going to go wrong.
02:08:36.000Yeah, it's like holding someone to a standard.
02:08:38.000I think the rest of the people are lying.
02:08:39.000I think it's higher than 40. I really do.
02:08:41.000Yeah, if you go to the airport, it seems like more than 40. If you go to Disneyland, you're going to be like, oh, we've got a real problem.
02:09:04.000Like, if everybody knew that all you have to do is just bring a fucking motor scooter and get around Disneyland, like everybody knew, and it's just an availability issue, and what if they ramped up the number of scooters?
02:09:15.000What if Disneyland becomes fucking Scooterville and no one's walking around?
02:11:01.000The point in not shaming people is don't be a cunt.
02:11:05.000And the thing is, you're going to have people, there's going to be plenty of people out there that don't get the hint, they don't get that memo, and they just act like cunts.
02:12:05.000My friend Dave Dolan, he quit drinking cold turkey when he crashed his car and abandoned it at the scene and then got in trouble and got his driver's license taken away.
02:13:16.000And also, it's like for comics, there's the moment after you fucking film when you have sheer terror because you realize, I don't really have an act anymore.
02:14:07.000I tried for a while to have like a tape recorder running, like one of the little digital recorders, and I had it velcroed in there, but everything gets fucked up from the moisture and the salt in the air.
02:20:31.000And the amount of traction that they have, the way they can cut corners, it's insane.
02:20:36.000And so Peter has this thing in his house, and it's got a shifter and everything, and he said, this is like a rudimentary version of there's one that's worth $1.5 million, and you sit in a fucking car.
02:20:47.000You sit in a car, and there's a LCD screen that wraps entirely around it, and the thing moves like the way the car does.
02:21:02.000Because otherwise you're just, you're either doing that and you're getting like really close skill development or you're risking your fucking life like whipping around the track every day.
02:21:14.000Which I think you probably have to do too.
02:21:15.000It's also not easy and it's not good for the car.
02:21:17.000Like the cars can't really run that long.
02:21:19.000I wonder if they do train on it or if it's just a supplementary thing.
02:21:23.000Because I would imagine there's no substitute for actually making the decision to hit the corner at the right time.
02:21:29.000There's no substitute for getting the timing of the lines.
02:21:34.000I know they all do the simulators because they show it.
02:21:35.000Whether it's the $1.5 million or the 100 grand one.
02:21:40.000I wonder how much they supplement with that.
02:21:42.000You know, it doesn't make sense, though, that if you did both the racing, like, you know, and do certain amount of actual track racing, certain amount of track running, you know, and practicing, and then a certain amount of simulation, it would definitely up your numbers.
02:21:55.000Like, it's all about getting the numbers in, right?
02:22:01.000Especially if you've never been to a track before, like if they can give you a simulation and you can download, you know, a simulation of that track and you do all the turns in the right order.
02:22:32.000And what they're doing now with cars, just regular production cars, you're getting regular production cars that have near supercar capabilities.
02:22:40.000Well, I was doing a joke about it when you were saying, well, what gives me joy?
02:22:42.000When I drove a Tesla and hit the gas, I laughed out loud.
02:22:46.000I literally laughed, and I was like, I have to get one, because nothing makes me laugh out loud.
02:22:56.000And I don't even care about speed or cars, like shit like that.
02:22:59.000The thing about it is, though, it's actually safe.
02:23:02.000Because if you wanted to merge into traffic, if something went wrong and you had to get away from something really quick, you could get away from stuff quick.
02:27:33.000I mean, for something that came along that was only for two years, it wasn't that long, you know, in terms of the amount of time that was on the air.
02:36:13.000I feel like last time I was here, we couldn't show certain shit.
02:36:17.000Well, if it was on YouTube, I would say that wouldn't be smart, because they'd probably have the copyright to that, and rightly, they would pull it down, but we're just promoting them.
02:37:30.000I remember we were in the hallway of the store, right by the main room, and you're like, I thought I was going to go to a clinical setting, and again, maybe I'll feel it.
02:44:00.000So it's got niacin, vitamin B, B12, pantothenic acid, and then L-theanine.
02:44:08.000This is the stuff, the Wissana proprietary blend.
02:44:11.000So they don't tell you what the proportions are.
02:44:16.000They just tell you what the milligrams are.
02:44:18.000So this proprietary blend, 515 milligrams, it's L-theanine and acetyltyrosine, lion's mane extract, fruiting bodies, and mycelium and caffeine.
02:44:30.000So it has some lion's mane mushrooms, which is supposed to be good for neurogenesis, and then it has the theanine, which is great for memory.
02:44:41.000And I don't know, I've heard of tyrosine before too, and acetyltyrosine.
02:45:06.000No one has these things without caffeine, because caffeine's the one you feel.
02:45:10.000Mmm, I bet it kicks in and synergistically works with it too because I know alpha brain works really well with Caffeine and that gum that neuro gum if you tried that shit.
02:45:19.000Okay That stuff has some caffeine in it, too.
02:45:23.000I think it has 40 milligrams per tablet mental performance alertness Yeah, okay.
02:45:30.000So L-tyrosine is given as a supplement to increase L-tyrosine levels in people with PKU. I don't know what that is.
02:45:35.000L-tyrosine has been used in alternative medicine as a possible effective aid in improving mental performance, alertness.
02:45:41.000A lot of these categories, the more you learn, the less you're like, ah, that might not be effective because it's like it doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier or shit like that where you just go, I don't fucking know.
02:46:15.000Performance in terms of your ability to form sentences, people were quicker to form sentences, they had a better verbal memory, and they also had better reaction time.
02:46:24.000And there was also a thing about the alpha state, like alpha brain states.
02:46:29.000I guess, I don't know how they measure that though.
02:49:19.000Well, not anymore, but like natural balances of like, there's natural balance.
02:49:25.000So if you're incredibly gifted in one area, you're going to be deficient in another area.
02:49:30.000A lot of times it's hidden, but if it's social, you can't hide it.
02:49:35.000Yeah, a lot of times it's just a function of the amount of energy that it takes to get, like, really good at something or really into something.
02:49:42.000Like, if you're someone who's just only fixated on your looks, the amount of time that must be involved in just looking good, Jesus Christ, how do you have time for other shit?
02:49:50.000Or a lot of these people are just a little autistic.
02:54:12.000And then I went in, right before COVID, I was in China, I was doing a show, and I ended up getting a supercharged version of TMS. They could do 40 sessions in a week, basically.
02:58:38.000So I, first night at the Circle, it's like by Six Flags in LA, it's not like, it's not Peru.
02:58:46.000And it's, I couldn't get the amount right.
02:58:51.000And I was just kind of nauseous and didn't really feel much.
02:58:54.000And I did ayahuasca, did two or three cups of ayahuasca, I tried this thing called hape, which is, they blow ash, Sacred tobacco ash up your nostrils, and it's like you have fuckin' rocks in your head.
02:59:40.000The ash, if you look, it's spelled R-A-P-E with an umlaut over the E. So it's spelled rape, but it's with an umlaut over the E. And people...
03:01:07.000It's my second career night, first night at the New Circle.
03:01:13.000Second night, I get the amount correct, and I was an atheist, and I opened my eyes at one point in the circle, and I was like, oh, I'm in the presence of God right now.
03:02:18.000And obviously the question would be, someone would ask you if they were trying to diminish this, they would say, but you are on drugs.
03:02:24.000You understand that you're on drugs and this is not a real experience and this is all highlighted by the hallucinations happening in the neurotransmitters and the way it's affecting your brain.
03:02:52.000Like, if you took a pill, and that pill, or you took ayahuasca, and that ayahuasca makes you reach that state, or if you reach that state from saying an incantation, and then you walk through...
03:03:59.000And getting mocked all the way to the bank.
03:04:03.000So the fourth time I do it, that circle that I was doing it in, they weren't like COVID. They were like loose with COVID. And it's like 20 people in a room.
03:04:14.000And this is in like before the vaccine.
03:06:57.000I slept with the lights on for a few days.
03:07:01.000It was so terrifying to my absolute core.
03:07:10.000But I realized about three or four days after that From not being on antidepressants, I'd say the floorboards of my mood were a little mushy, like I could get lower than I could without antidepressants.
03:07:31.000I'm sorry, with antidepressants, it would be more secure.
03:07:36.000Not on antidepressants, it was a little loose and gushy.
03:07:39.000And I realized about four days after that terrifying outer space experience that it was completely secure.
03:09:01.000Acoustically, it was like there was a tiger in the room.
03:09:03.000And then I hallucinated a tiger, came around an altar, and I went like, like, real fucking fear.
03:09:11.000And I had a couple tough journeys like that, where it was another one that was funnier, is I thought, I mean, dude, in this circle, I've seen people get possessed.
03:14:11.000If you've had a real breakthrough psychedelic experience, it's so beyond anything that you could use your words to describe, that the only way to really get it into your head is to have one.
03:14:36.000I had a really funny thing happen with my mom where one of the ceremonies had the thought, like, I have my mom's software and my dad's hardware.
03:16:46.000I thought the legend was like that the mushrooms had spoke to them.
03:16:48.000I mean, I'm sure there's five different versions of it, but yeah, like for them to put the certain chacruna plant and the cappy plant and boil them for the right amount of time.
03:17:25.000There's these trees, I think it's the ice cream bean tree and a couple other trees, that just overwhelm the canopy.
03:17:32.000They're just these crazy plants that were planted there.
03:17:36.000They even developed their certain type of soil.
03:17:38.000They think what happened, and this is all based on that lost city of Z. It's also the same sort of subject.
03:17:46.000They think that the original explorers who went there and had these incredible encounters with people, they saw these magnificent cities and they're filled with gold and everything was like incredibly advanced.
03:17:57.000All that shit was gone within a hundred years because everybody was dead from smallpox.
03:18:03.000So those Europeans introduced diseases just like they did to the Native Americans, just like they did to the Mayans, just like they did to anybody they encountered.
03:18:11.000And they did it to them and just completely wiped them out.
03:18:13.000And now they're using something called LiDAR, where they fly over the jungle.
03:18:31.000If they were super advanced back then, and they all got killed off by smallpox, and the only people that survived are the people that lived in the hills.
03:18:37.000The people that were completely detached didn't get smallpox.
03:20:12.000I mean, most of the time, it was just, I would have the shake, and I just felt communing with the spirituality, basically.
03:20:23.000You know, there's people out of the University of Jerusalem, I believe that's where it is, where there's scholars now believe that the whole idea of Moses talking to the burning bush, that the burning bush represented God, that that burning bush was probably the acacia tree,
03:20:39.000which is rich in DMT. They think there was probably a translation issue and that this was most likely.
03:22:16.000I mean, I think psilocybin, you know, as someone who's been pretty into it for a couple years, I mean, you can have some really, really big reactions in ways that...
03:22:34.000I haven't been harmed, but I'm saying like, it's like a clinical situation.
03:22:59.000So to bring corporations, doctors, all that stuff, it's like, I think there has to be a spiritual element to it or else it's...
03:23:08.000I think it can be very helpful, but it goes to the other point we're saying, which is like, It might not be for everybody.
03:23:13.000It might not be for everybody, but it also might be one of those things that just has to get out there.
03:23:18.000It just has to get loose and then we figure out how to contain it.
03:23:21.000Meaning, like, what's the proper way to administer it?
03:23:24.000And just let it get through people so enough intelligent people can examine it and have similar experiences so they can talk about it.
03:23:33.000A lot of the legislation and a lot of the demonization of psychedelic drugs come from people who don't do them.
03:23:40.000That's the weird part about it, is people have these ideas that people are trying to escape reality and that you're being weak.
03:23:49.000I think that's why it's important, I think, to talk about it.
03:23:52.000Because as stupid as it sounds for you when you're explaining it, to me it sounds totally believable, and I can tell that something happened because you seem lighter.
03:24:54.000The way Michael Pollan described it, he was like, he couldn't find much, it was too powerful.
03:25:03.000But I was like, and I always walked around, and then I didn't have any, I was like, I haven't done Aya in a few months, and you know, whatever, it's a free night, whatever.
03:25:11.000So I go, and I do it, and this is where I'm like, this shouldn't, this isn't for everybody.
03:25:21.000I had to go back and watch your podcast with him because I went to the same place he went to, which is before the Big Bang is where I went.
03:26:16.000It's like, what am I that's thinking that I'm nothing?
03:26:20.000Clearly, you get into the sort of Sam Harris world of, you know...
03:26:27.000And in that ceremony, so you start from the Big Bang and then it felt like slowly my character, personality, traits, soul come back into me.
03:28:16.000Ryan Hamilton, great comedian, came to my show, and I'm walking home with him, and he grew up Mormon, and I'm talking, I'm like, oh yeah, and we've talked about religion before, and I'm like, yeah, I think I'm not, and I explain to him DMT, and this is Saturday night,
03:28:33.000and I, weird thing, like, in bed that night, and I'm kind of explaining the DMT experience to him, where I'm like, yeah, I was kind of near God.
03:29:19.000It was just like, I created you and Saturn.
03:29:25.000And by the way, I say I, but to me it's not a man-woman, it's just a force.
03:29:31.000So you think it's a thing that's a real thing that creates everything, and maybe that does make sense if you think about the Big Bang, if you think about all of the incredible things that they've discovered about the cosmos itself,
03:29:48.000that there's a thing that's actually creating that, like a force.
03:34:23.000I just knew, and then someone, I read a thing about grounding after you have a psychedelic experience, and it was like, yeah, don't meditate.
03:34:32.000That was like number one or two, and I was like, yep, way ahead of you.
03:34:36.000Because the meditation would take you back there again?
03:34:38.000Human beings are here, meditation's here, I was here.
03:34:59.000Well, the funny thing was that was November 5th, and I was getting better every day, and then I went to the dentist December 21st or something, and I did the laughing gas.
03:36:23.000You probably opened up a chemical gateway.
03:36:26.000That's the thing that people think when they think of DMT or ayahuasca or 5-MeO or even psilocybin of being real.
03:36:33.000They think that it might be like a way that you use chemicals to open up a doorway in your mind.
03:36:40.000And that we think of it as not being real because it's not something that you can quantify like it's 50 calibers or it's 15 inches or 10 pounds.
03:36:50.000It's like you can't weigh it or measure it.
03:36:52.000But it's something that happens to everyone that does it.
03:36:56.000So at what point in time do you say it's real?
03:36:59.000If everybody has this profound experience that seems like they're in the presence of something infinitely loving and infinitely powerful and strange in its complexity and sees right through you, knows everything about you.
03:40:55.000I was worried about it in a sense that I felt like my ego was trying to regain control and that one of the best ways to do that was to put me in fear.
03:42:03.000I was seeing what looked like Pharaoh's heads and all of this, like the different stripes and gold and blue, and it was all these impossible powers.
03:42:15.000It's impossible and shit that you probably have never seen or thought about.
03:42:36.000Those things didn't have – they don't have borders.
03:42:38.000They have an edge, but they go right into the other thing, and then they change what they are, and they're never the same thing.
03:42:46.000They're always in a constant state of motion, and it seems to have consciousness.
03:42:50.000Whatever it is, it absolutely reflects what you're thinking, and then, if you can let it go, imparts on you thoughts that you're incapable of.
03:42:59.000Hits you with these thoughts and you have to address it and the best way to do it is just let go Like if you try to wrestle with it, you're I've seen people wrestle with it.
03:43:07.000It's crazy They start screaming they roll around the floor.