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00:00:44.000Because when you sign the paper, you realize this is a real commitment, and you're going to have to live with this man for the rest of your life.
00:00:51.000Not only that, they're going to write fake stories about you like they do about him.
00:00:55.000The New York Post wrote a fake story about him today, about his real estate holdings.
00:01:00.000They're inaccurate about the amount, and also even about the locations in which he owns homes.
00:03:38.000I think my world, my family's world, and I think the world in general was somehow fundamentally changed down February 24th this year when Russia invaded Ukraine.
00:04:21.000And the reason I realized this It's because of the behavior of the United States in response to this humanitarian crisis, this invasion, and the response of China that's currently quietly watching but for the most part supporting Putin and Russia.
00:04:41.000India, for the most part, is supporting Putin and Russia.
00:04:45.000And so you have this division in the world.
00:04:49.000You just look at the population, the large economies, large military forces, nuclear powers, are just watching this conflict, watching this humanitarian crisis, and nobody seems to be shy about escalation.
00:05:03.000Nobody seems to be shy about mentioning You know, the word nuclear.
00:05:10.000I've reread recently, as a kind of therapy, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William Shire.
00:05:17.000He's a journalist that was there for the rise of the Nazi Party and the World War II and everything like that.
00:05:24.000And you just have to put yourself, let's say 100 years back, 1922, nobody would predict World War II. In fact, everybody would be sure that World War II would never happen.
00:05:36.000Surely there will never be another World War when you're sitting there in the 1920s.
00:05:40.000And at the same time, you have Hitler, young Hitler, What is it?
00:05:49.000He is employee number seven of the Nazi party.
00:05:52.000So he's the seventh person to join the National Socialist German Workers' Party that ended up being one of the most consequential parties ever, political parties ever.
00:06:06.000So from a party of seven people, 20 years later you have a party that's threatening the existence of human civilization.
00:06:14.000If they had nuclear weapons, that would be the case.
00:06:17.000So in a span of 20 years, that can happen.
00:06:19.000So now we're sitting here in 2022, the possibility of nuclear war seems to be not as distant as at least I, with my innocence, had imagined.
00:06:29.000And the possibility of hot war It's not that distant.
00:06:48.000Eight million people inside Ukraine displaced.
00:06:50.000The biggest one since In Europe, at least, since World War II. So that's one perspective, that there's this authoritarian who invaded a sovereign land and laid claim on it.
00:07:05.000I recently talked to two folks that have this different perspective.
00:07:09.000One is Stephen Kotkin, who's a historian of Stalin.
00:07:12.000I highly recommend people read his biography of Stalin.
00:07:15.000And the other is Oliver Stone, who you talk to mostly about JFK. But he also interviewed Putin.
00:07:23.000So Oliver Stone's perspective is, look, first of all, America throughout its history has blood in its hands.
00:07:30.000NATO is pressuring through its expansion, pressuring Putin, pressuring the other non-NATO regimes.
00:07:38.000And so they bear some responsibility for this.
00:07:44.000And, you know, you look at post 9-11 wars.
00:07:51.000In Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, the number of refugees there, the number of people displaced from their homes is close to 40 million people,
00:08:20.000You know this this idea that the United States is the good guys is a complicated one and so he has been starting from the Vietnam War a critic of the military industrial complex and this kind of imperial imperative of the United States that's that perspective then you have Stephen Kotkin you have just the Western perspective is like no Yeah,
00:08:45.000America has blood on its hands, but you can't do this moral—there's no moral equivalence here.
00:08:52.000There is good guys and bad guys in the world.
00:08:54.000The good guys are flawed, yes, but the reality is Putin's Russia is an authoritarian regime.
00:09:01.000No respect for freedoms of all kinds, including freedom of the press and freedom of speech.
00:09:06.000There's a lot of basic violation of human rights, and there's just a straight-up invasion of a sovereign land, and that's a war crime, and Putin is a war criminal.
00:09:18.000I'm much closer to that perspective, but it's not factual, it's more emotional, because I just see how much pain there is in that place.
00:09:29.000I've been listening to a lot of people crying, angry, afraid, For me, there's been just so much personal emotion.
00:09:41.000Because this idea that we're all one people, we're all one humanity has been challenged for me personally.
00:09:46.000I know there's a lot of suffering in the world.
00:09:48.000I know there's a lot of atrocities in the world.
00:09:50.000But for me, it's just because I know directly the people.
00:09:55.000It's like, you know, there's been recently a couple of shootings.
00:09:57.000There's been a shooting yesterday in the United States.
00:09:59.000It's different when you have nothing to do with the people, then you directly know the people.
00:10:04.000Yeah, the shooting is an hour and a half away.
00:10:08.000And that's 20 children or something like that.
00:10:13.000It's an atrocity, but it's closer to us, and that's why we, as Americans, we feel it intimately.
00:10:20.000Just imagine that on another side of the world where you can feel it intimately because you know the people.
00:10:26.000I mean, I guess we think of it as differently because what Putin is trying to do is command resources and control a country that used to be a part of the Soviet Union.
00:10:36.000And what happened yesterday is just beyond explanation.
00:10:42.000It's just a completely fucked up situation where a sick person got a hold of a bunch of guns and decided to go kill kids.
00:10:50.000And it happens in this country every now and then.
00:11:30.000But the Oliver Stone perspective, when you're talking about the difference between the way we look at the rest of the world versus the way we look at our own actions, when you start bringing up Yemen, Yemen is one that I've had Dave Smith on the podcast multiple times where he talks about it.
00:11:45.000Dave is very, very well read about Yemen.
00:11:49.000It's a horrific scenario because no one cares.
00:11:53.000In the United States, this is not something that gets mainstream media attention on a daily basis.
00:12:07.000Where they talked about the bombings that are happening in Ukraine versus the bombings that are currently happening in Yemen and bombings that the United States...
00:12:14.000It's wild because it's like swept under the rug and we don't think about it.
00:12:19.000And we don't even understand why we're doing it.
00:12:22.000I guarantee you if you just polled a random 1,000 people and say, what are we doing in Yemen?
00:12:29.000You'd have to have someone who really gets into the sort of esoteric, the details, like what is going on politically, what is going on economically.
00:12:39.000Someone like Dave Smith even might struggle with the full explanation of what our motivation, not our, the military's motivation is to do this.
00:13:38.000The thing is, there is, if you look at the details, a fundamental difference between what Vladimir Putin is doing and what the United States is doing.
00:13:48.000Now, everybody's a victim of somebody's propaganda.
00:13:53.000Now, I talked to Russians, which is a very interesting thing.
00:13:57.000Both Russians and Ukrainians say that they are not at all under the influence of propaganda.
00:14:03.000Russians believe there's no propaganda in Russia.
00:14:07.000And Ukrainians believe there's no propaganda in Ukraine.
00:14:13.000Russians think the West is influenced by their propaganda, by the CNNs and the Foxes, and Ukraine is influenced by their propaganda by the limited number of news channels they have that are state-controlled.
00:14:26.000From our Western perspective, that seems ridiculous because it's obvious that Russia is under influence of propaganda.
00:14:34.000So it's hard to know what is true or not.
00:14:36.000But the reality seems to be that Russia is currently an authoritarian regime that tries to appear as much as possible as a democracy.
00:16:43.000Yeah, Oliver Stone says, Vladimir Putin has struggled with cancer during his time in which the filmmaker focused on his work on the Russian president, pictured about Putin waves during the Victory Day parade, Red Square, May 9th.
00:16:55.000Well, I'm much less concerned about the puffiness of his face and more concerned about what's going on with his mind.
00:17:03.000It seems like he's a different man now than he was even a year ago.
00:17:15.000He's formed a much stricter information bubble around him, that there is that isolation that a lot of us have experienced with COVID. I honestly think it might have to do with just the isolation due to COVID. You know, the basic distance you have to keep and all that kind of stuff.
00:17:31.000As a political leader, you have to have extra precautions.
00:17:35.000Especially a political leader that assassinates his enemies.
00:19:53.000And she sent them back links to the New York Times and all these articles about how badly corrupt Ukraine was, which just makes me go, god damn.
00:20:03.000If I can't trust a fucking New York Times to get it right, you're supposed to be the paper of note.
00:22:02.000But, okay, so there's a bunch of differences in what they stand for, what they're looking for.
00:22:06.000A lot of it in the recent years has been centered around the war with Russia, starting with 2014. And so some parts are Ukrainian-speaking, pro-Ukraine.
00:22:20.000Some parts are Russian-speaking or primarily Russian-speaking and pro-Russia.
00:22:24.000So in the east, you have the Donbas region, but around that as well, they want to be closer to Russia.
00:22:33.000And the west part wants to be closer to Europe, closer to NATO, closer to the European Union.
00:22:40.000You want to be Pro-democracy or you want to be pro-whatever-the-heck Russia is.
00:22:48.000So it's like, are you pulling towards the West, the Western civilization, or are you pulling towards the East, the way of Russia, the way of China, the way of those countries?
00:22:57.000I'm sure they're influenced and the ones who are pro-Russia, they're getting some signals from Putin or meeting with him and he's giving them indications that they would best be served to be aligned with him and be better for them.
00:23:53.000I mean, he's been running Russia for a long time, and the way he's been doing that, sort of unopposed, in a ruthless manner, is very impressive.
00:24:02.000It's evil, but in terms of its efficacy, it's impressive what he's been able to do.
00:24:08.000I think strength is one of the things we admire in leaders, but it's not the entirety of it.
00:24:27.000And he stayed in Kiev and held his ground where most leaders would have fled.
00:24:35.000This is the failure we had in Afghanistan, where we fled.
00:24:39.000Here's a leader that stepped up and held his ground, and that's rare in this world, and we admire that kind of strength, yes.
00:24:45.000And the same could be said by the Russian people, the Indian people, the Chinese people that admire strength in Putin.
00:24:52.000But we also admire Other values that make this country great, the United States of America, is this kind of respect for human freedom, human rights, and sort of the embodiment of this ideal of all men are created equal.
00:25:13.000That's not exactly communicated very clearly by Vladimir Putin.
00:25:44.000Like the downtrodden workers that were...
00:25:48.000Germany is a great nation that deserves to be respected among other nations, and it was not respected because of World War I. Okay, but are you also going to mention that you're going to murder and imprison and torture millions of people?
00:26:16.000When we fight terrorism and evil in the world, what does that actually look like?
00:26:20.000It turns out that it looks like you're bombing civilians, children, lose their fathers and mothers.
00:26:30.000Hundreds of thousands of civilians die when you're spreading freedom all over the world.
00:26:35.000So we have to be very careful separating the messaging from the actions.
00:26:41.000And we have to, as Americans, make sure we live up to the ideal, and we don't always.
00:26:47.000And I think when you just paint the whole world as black and white, it's easy for us to say America good, China, Russia bad, instead of the full complexity of that.
00:27:00.000And that there's warmongers that watch Ukraine now with the money that we're sending there, and they get excited because they can escalate.
00:27:07.000And if they escalate, they can get more and more money for manufacturing weapons.
00:27:47.000If you're standing apart from a guy, and you have a gun, and he has a gun, and you have your finger on the trigger, and he has his finger on the trigger, and you're like, you know what?
00:28:55.000I want to see their credentials and how much access they actually have.
00:28:59.000Because, yeah, people that comment on stuff...
00:29:01.000Okay, so just even with the limited access I've had, I've spoken with a lot of people in Lockheed Martin and all over, I realize how much secrecy there is in terms of how many incredible weapon systems there are.
00:29:17.000Given how much money is poured into these...
00:29:31.000They take pride in making sure that America's high-tech military systems are better than anybody else in the world.
00:29:41.000You know, that's what I think more and more that these UFOs are.
00:29:46.000I don't think that those things are from another world anymore.
00:29:49.000I've been watching these videos of these things where these fighter jets are getting scrambled to intercept these objects that are flying in insane speeds over the ocean.
00:30:00.000I'm like, why would we assume that those aren't just super fucking capable drones that we don't know exist yet?
00:30:26.000Well, that's where all the fucking military is.
00:30:28.000Why would it go there and be completely undetected and be operating in the middle of the ocean and be operating over what looks like something that's some sort of a submerged base or some sort of a submerged vehicle that interacts with this drone that operates at an insane rates of speed?
00:30:45.000And it has active radar jamming, so it actively jams you.
00:30:50.000Why wouldn't we assume that that's ours?
00:30:53.000Yeah, given how much secrecy there is in American government and Chinese government.
00:30:58.000Not just that, but how much fake transparency there is from the Pentagon and from Congress where they're having meetings about UFOs.
00:31:05.000We need to inform the general public like they give a fuck about what we think, about anything.
00:31:10.000What benefit is there to inform the general public other than none?
00:31:15.000Yeah, and I'm not sure how much politicians know.
00:31:17.000I feel like politicians is like the surface wave of an ocean.
00:31:21.000I feel like most of the work is done by people that are employed for their whole life and working in the DOD Department of Defense.
00:31:46.000Doesn't the deep state imply there's a deep, like, corruption and manipulation of the populace to sort of, like, a conspiratorial, like, controlling the populace?
00:31:57.000The goal is to, like, for the people that are really in control to get richer and more powerful and that kind of stuff.
00:32:04.000But doesn't that just come with the territory?
00:32:26.000Start drinking before we start talking about how hot Nancy Pelosi was.
00:32:29.000Googling underwater drone stuff, you know, and I found the sales, this looks like a sales video from 2016, showing a drone that could be launched and controlled from a submarine that's underwater.
00:32:41.000This was, you know, around the time of that Tic Tac thing, wasn't it?
00:33:08.000I watched one drone, this super fast drone, that was hovering, and this was like something that they were just showing the capabilities of.
00:36:24.000See, that's what I'm talking about, man.
00:36:26.000These fucking things are fast as shit.
00:36:28.000So if you're looking at a small thing, if they make something that's the size of a Frisbee, and it's going 300 miles an hour, it's going to look preposterously fast.
00:36:37.000It's going to look like it's from another world.
00:36:40.000And more and more they're being controlled by AI. Yeah.
00:37:03.000I mean, whatever it is, the gravity-defying or gravity-manipulating drive that he said that Sportcraft hat, which is this thing right here.
00:37:20.000Yeah, he didn't say anything about his capabilities, he was just saying that's something he observed.
00:37:24.000Yeah, he didn't know the physical speed of it because they never figured out how to do it.
00:37:28.000All they figured out how to do it was to get it to move around a little bit.
00:37:31.000They never figured out how to get it to just like completely manipulate gravity, but he said the function, the way it does it, It manipulates gravity around it.
00:37:39.000The way he described it, he said, would be like putting an insanely heavy bowling ball in the middle of a mattress.
00:37:45.000So it pulls everything around it like that and bends space and time through its manipulation of gravity.
00:37:56.000And by doing that, it can go from one point to another point insanely fast.
00:38:02.000So like when Commander David Fravor described this vehicle that was more than 50,000 feet above sea level and went to 50 feet above sea level in less than a second.
00:38:54.000Some of them were unwilling to go on the record.
00:38:56.000He knew the very machine that they'd use to detect the length of the digits in your fingers, you know, through some sort of a, I don't know what kind of scan it is, but you put your hand on this and he described it and someone took a photo of it that had existed in Los Alamos.
00:40:10.000See, I'm inclined to believe that we are being visited.
00:40:15.000And if we are being visited, the level of sophistication of any civilization that's able to send, whether it's a drone, you know, piloted by AI or by some sort of robot creatures, like...
00:40:33.000I would keep a fucking very close eye on our capabilities and the stories of them hovering over nuclear facilities and shutting down all their facilities.
00:40:47.000Like, if I was monitoring from another world, I would say, look, these are territorial apes with nuclear weapons, and we need to figure out a way to stop them in their transition.
00:41:01.000Extremely primitive to using tools, to engines, the industrial age, to the technological age in which we're at now, where things are accelerating far beyond our capacity to understand the implications of what happens if,
00:41:16.000like your field of study, AI. If AI gets implemented on a large scale and becomes sentient and then Countries that have...
00:41:26.000I don't even know what our morals are.
00:41:28.000But if we had that capability in a brutal military dictatorship and they decided to use it to control the entire world...
00:41:39.000And they probably have information about how other civilizations have failed.
00:41:44.000The great filter that stopped them from existing.
00:41:47.000And they realize when you start to get something like nuclear weapons, that's when...
00:42:56.000And also, my heart is the only thing I care about is with the people in terms of the war in Ukraine, is with the people of Ukraine, and I do think that the invasion of Ukraine is a war crime, and I think Putin in this act is a war criminal.
00:43:11.000I just want to put that on the table because we're talking about Oliver Stone a lot.
00:43:18.000It's a weird word because they'll look at what we're doing with cows and they'd be like, uh, all you humans seem to be torturing your food a lot.
00:43:28.000Okay, how about what we're doing with plants?
00:43:30.000We now know that plants have some sort of innate intelligence, some sort of ability to communication, some sort of a community that they share with the mycelium, with neighboring plants.
00:43:42.000They allocate resources to plants that are in jeopardy.
00:43:47.000They release defense chemicals when they know they're being eaten.
00:44:25.000But I just think the most advanced alien civilization would be the one that reaches us first.
00:44:32.000And so they would be just orders of magnitude more advanced.
00:44:37.000So anything we see visibly in terms of stuff that Commander Fravor saw, that's them trying to sort of talk down to us, like dumb down their stuff to be able to communicate in some kind of way with us.
00:44:51.000Otherwise, if they wanted to be invisible, I think they could be invisible to us.
00:44:54.000Well, I think they probably are, for the most part.
00:44:57.000I think that's why there's these unique experiences where people have these interactions with them and then they don't know what to do or what to say because it seems so bizarre and no one wants to believe it because we have an inability to really think rationally about something that we have no evidence of.
00:45:15.000If someone has an experience, it's a completely unique experience.
00:45:19.000If you walk outside of the studio and you get in your car and then all of a sudden something hovers over your car, all traffic stops around you, time stands still.
00:47:06.000I mean, Pressfield always talks openly about the muse and he treats it that way when he sits down to write.
00:47:11.000He treats it like it's a real object that's giving him information and that he treats it with respect because that's how the muse rewards him for his hard work.
00:47:19.000Yeah, but also not just ideas, consciousness itself.
00:47:34.000Maybe this kind of consciousness that we have, the ability to richly experience the world in a really interesting, complicated way, maybe that's a gift from elsewhere for us to be able to understand ourselves and to create something that will save this place.
00:47:53.000Or maybe it's a function of the universe that constantly encourages innovation.
00:47:57.000If you look, I mean, I've said this ad nauseum, but I'll say it again because it fits into this conversation.
00:48:02.000If you were observing the earth from afar, if you had no context, if you didn't understand the human species at all, if you were completely alien from it, You're being made of light, and you're observing what these creatures do.
00:48:19.000Well, what's the predominant change-oriented creature on this planet?
00:49:27.000And we're constantly involved in this pursuit of technological innovation.
00:49:33.000Now if you think of ideas, every single thing that exists on this planet, whether it's a mug or a house or a fucking windmill that creates electricity, all of those came out of the human imagination.
00:49:46.000You had an idea, a guy Collaborates with this woman, and she has an idea, and her idea fits with your idea, and it makes your idea better and more capable, and then you get together with a group of people, you form a startup, and your ideas all gel together, and you're working 16 hours a day around the clock to make the world a better place with this new idea,
00:50:05.000and this new product, and everything gets better over time.
00:50:58.000Throughout history, they get rid of the tyrants and the authoritarians and so on.
00:51:03.000Because there's something about innovation that wins.
00:51:07.000It is almost like at least Earth wants us to be innovative.
00:51:11.000Well, the human race wants to innovate.
00:51:14.000It seems like the whole universe wants constant states of complexity.
00:51:18.000Just from the time the Big Bang exists, to multi-celled organisms, to conscious things, to conscious things that manipulate their environment like human beings.
00:51:28.000It's this constant state of ever-increasing complexity.
00:51:34.000In all different forms, which makes me wonder what that looks like.
00:51:37.000Because there's probably life here in the solar system Probably, it might be dead, but maybe living on Mars and Titan, different moons throughout, and what that fucking thing looks like.
00:51:52.000Because there's moons that are volcanoes, there's moons that are ice, oceans, and that's going to be all weird kinds of life.
00:51:59.000It could be microscopic, it could be gigantic things that span, I don't know, kilometers.
00:52:43.000They can exist at insane temperatures.
00:52:45.000They could have come here, like psilocybin and all these psychoactive compounds that Terence McKenna believed were responsible for the development of the human brain, the doubling of the human brain over a period of two million years.
00:53:41.000And is watching from a much larger distance, which would better explain that the technological advancements of the aliens that visit us are similar to ours.
00:54:05.000If you had neighbors, and your neighbors were a bunch of 18-year-old kids with guns that maybe even admired you if they met you, like, Lex Friedman, what are you doing around here?
00:54:16.000Well, I'm trying to get you guys to stop fucking blowing up refrigerators in your backyard.
00:54:23.000You guys are doing stupid shit, and it's causing real fucking problems in the world.
00:54:28.000I would have to watch how I present that case to them.
00:55:43.000Tannerite, what they do is they fill up refrigerators, and then they'll shoot it from a distance, and on impact it explodes, and so many people have died fucking with this stuff.
00:56:30.000A lot of times people don't understand that the physical force that that stuff generates that you think this refrigerator like they've done it with safes where they've detonated safes and these enormous vault doors like bank vault doors going a hundred and fifty miles an hour through a fucking tree like it's it's immense amounts of power and miniscule compared to you know nuclear explosions So if,
00:56:58.000you know, you take me visiting the neighbors and say, hey, let me just explain what's going to happen.
00:57:04.000If you blow that thing up, you guys can't be anywhere near here.
00:57:07.000You're going to have to be like a mile away.
01:02:04.000Because there's been a lot of drama lately, and one of the things that happened was somehow or another my name got entered into this thing, and I don't want to get into it in too much detail, but I'm like, okay, I must call Bobby.
01:02:15.000And I called him, and I said, listen, I don't know what kind of...
01:02:18.000I'm just hearing about this nonsense now, but I love you.
01:02:20.000I would never let anybody talk bad about you.
01:02:23.000I would never let anybody come on my show and talk bad about you.
01:02:29.000And I know that you have fear of, like, performing and putting out a special and stuff like that, but I really think you should because I think you're one of the best comedians alive.
01:02:37.000And I've said that to him many, many times.
01:02:39.000I always give him shit like, when are you going to do a special?
01:06:47.000Did she realize that you're just fucking with me?
01:06:49.000No, she's trying to figure out how to get out of there, too, because they were trying to make a decision.
01:06:53.000We wound up actually getting a car service to drive us all the way back to L.A. It's like a four-hour drive all the way back to L.A. That was fucking odd.
01:12:44.000Just being alive, being close to the people you love and all that kind of stuff, you start to realize that's what matters.
01:12:49.000Well, me and my wife have been having these conversations recently about people that we know now because there's a level of fame you get where other famous people reach out to you and you go hang out with them.
01:14:09.000But he needs someone around him who can also just be normal.
01:14:14.000And I think most people are just so, like you were with Bobby Lee or you were with me when you first met me, or I was with Anthony Bourdain when I first met Anthony Bourdain.
01:14:21.000I was such a fucking dork because I couldn't believe it was him.
01:14:25.000I'm hanging out with him and he knows who I am and he likes me.
01:14:57.000And he's a brilliant writer on top of being like this amazing just thinker.
01:15:05.000Like he's capable of, he was capable of Putting that down in a way where the way he flavored these conversations was like the way a great chef would flavor a great meal.
01:15:18.000It's like there was something to it that was I really admired his His appreciation of creativity and of rebellion and of art and someone who's really good.
01:15:31.000He wrote in his Twitter bio, it just said, Enthusiast.
01:15:56.000It's like you hit a low point and you pulled the chute and the world suffered because of that and his family suffered and his daughter suffered and it's like, fuck man, I know that those feelings are there but you can fight those off and there will be a better day.
01:16:11.000This too will pass and there'll be a better day and the thing that helps you in those better days are friends.
01:16:17.000And I don't think I was quite close enough to him for him to reach out.
01:16:22.000But if he did, I think I could have helped.
01:16:24.000Because I've had a lot of experience with crazy women in my life.
01:16:27.000I've had a lot of experience with what he was going through.
01:16:30.000And sometimes you need a guy to go, hey man, I'll tell you fucking exactly what's going on.
01:16:36.000And there's a lot of these people out there in the world.
01:16:38.000And they'll get close to you, and then they'll try to damage you.
01:16:41.000And they'll try to hurt you because they're hurt.
01:17:53.000And not only that, but there's value in those experiences.
01:17:56.000And this is something that really needs to be...
01:17:58.000It needs to be addressed and you need to understand it is that you will become stronger through your overcoming of these terrible moments.
01:18:10.000These terrible moments in them is an opportunity for growth.
01:18:15.000And also, perspective-wise, whatever these terrible moments are, relatively speaking, we're talking about Yemen, we're talking about people that live in the Congo, people that are in the middle of a civil war, these are nothing.
01:18:28.000And there's that old expression, the worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you.
01:18:32.000Whether it's you're a spoiled kid who doesn't get the toy that they think they deserve, Or whether you're an adult whose relationship with this woman like Bourdain turned out to be insanely toxic and you're deeply embarrassed and you're going to be exposed because you paid off a child that she was having sex with and you know it's going to come out because you were a vocal proponent of the Me Too movement because you thought it was a good and just thing and you're trying to be a good person and
01:22:49.000But the way he pays attention to people and people that work with him, for him, just small details, the kindness he has, it's interesting.
01:23:00.000I mean, I didn't expect that because the public paints him as a kind of maybe, not necessarily a monster, but somebody who's almost like a sociopath or something like that, who's not able to feel other beings.
01:23:13.000And he did not, that's not how he came off.
01:23:16.000What that shows to me is, you know, Facebook is a machine.
01:23:22.000And perhaps the leaders of the machine don't necessarily have power to control the machine always.
01:24:16.000I think those are the kind of personalities that lead to the creation of great businesses, that lead to the pivoting of businesses that are becoming stale into becoming great businesses again.
01:24:28.000So I think that we admire those people, but they have also sort of downsides of You know, yelling and being passionate and being, you know, anger issues, all those kinds of things.
01:24:38.000If you're polite, that's a difficult thing.
01:24:42.000You know, how much politeness, kindness, and compassion do you want in a leader of a company?
01:24:47.000Because if you're too polite, you're going to have corporate structure that's going to just become stale.
01:24:54.000You know, you see that in Silicon Valley with a bit too much wokeism taking over.
01:25:00.000Well, have you seen some of those Project Veritas videos of the people that work at Twitter that were secretly filmed discussing what it's like there?
01:25:28.000They're drinking, stupid shit gets said, and then, you know, he confronts them at a restaurant.
01:25:34.000I think that's unfair, and it's clickbait, and so on.
01:25:37.000But it's also representative of a culture.
01:25:41.000And it's also an expose of a culture that has immense power.
01:25:46.000And so if you can get these rare windows into how it actually functions, that might be the only way to do it, is to get these people in these intimate moments where they're candid, where they don't know that they're being recorded.
01:25:57.000And they say things and you get an understanding of the fact that you could just take time off whenever you don't feel well, mentally.
01:26:03.000You could take a week off, you could take a month off, no one cares.
01:26:05.000And that the entire operation is essentially, they think that they're communists.
01:26:12.000And that they think that, you know, capitalism is inherently bad and that these are the people that are running the discourse of the biggest social media site in terms of the ability to disseminate information the world's ever known.
01:26:24.000And it's not necessarily what they believe.
01:26:26.000What bothers me the most is the arrogance that they can know the truth or they can know what is and isn't misinformation.
01:26:34.000I think it's okay to be whatever, a capitalist or a communist, as long as you have a deep humility about your understanding of the world.
01:26:45.000And you're not trying to enforce those ideals on other people.
01:26:47.000You might bring them up as part of a conversation, but you have a sense that you might be very wrong, and that's the kind of humility you have to bring to the table, and then that's where you have to have actual diversity of ideas at the table.
01:27:00.000That's why I think Elon is a really good pushback at Twitter against the sort of woke culture, corporate culture that emerged in Silicon Valley.
01:27:14.000I think he brought onto himself a lot of political division and hate that comes with the political division, saying he's not going to vote Democrat anymore.
01:27:25.000You just entered the political domain.
01:27:28.000Well, he openly stated he's going to vote Republican, too.
01:27:31.000It's not like he said, I'm a libertarian from here on out.
01:27:34.000So I'm throwing my vote away, essentially.
01:28:02.000I think, self-admittedly, he says he doesn't care about winning, which is exactly the kind of people that should probably run or actually win.
01:28:10.000You need very unique human beings to take on any of those jobs and do it in a compassionate...
01:28:17.000Humanitarian beneficial way for the society at large because it's going to be at a detriment to you and I think part of the problem with politicians as we know them is that they do things for the benefit of themselves that are ultimately at a detriment for their constituents because they're doing things and they get corrupted by money like money comes in and you know they start you know moving in this way or that way depending upon their relationships and this sort of And money is delicious,
01:28:48.000power is delicious, and then there's assholes that start criticizing the press and you want to suppress them.
01:28:53.000And then you get Navalny, I think yesterday, just got nine years in prison.
01:31:37.000It makes me feel like I'm not on sturdy ground in terms of what is good and what is evil.
01:31:47.000The same thing with Ukraine and Russia.
01:31:51.000I've been getting so much information from so many people that is so heartfelt, both actual journalistic information and spoken information from people.
01:32:02.000The same thing, like, racism in America, right?
01:32:05.000You have the BLM movement, you have African American people on Clubhouse or wherever I get a chance to speak with them.
01:32:12.000Like, there's significant institutional racism in America.
01:32:16.000And then you listen to, like, Douglas Murray or whoever is saying, no, let's look at the data.
01:32:21.000Like, you have to be very rigorous and analytical about this, and there's not institutional racism or something like that.
01:32:28.000And you listen to both these, like, groups that are very passionate about this, and you don't know exactly what the truth is.
01:32:35.000You have to kind of think, you have to keep an open mind, have a humility, read, try to control your emotions, all that kind of stuff.
01:32:41.000I'm trying to do that with Ukraine and Russia and China and India and Western press, and I'm trying to do that with these weird elites who are, like, you know, that I'm not exactly sure.
01:32:53.000Like, I'm really afraid of becoming corrupted, either by fame or money, all that kind of stuff.
01:33:37.000But I know what you're saying about the elites, and I think part of it is there's a thrill about being able to do things that other people can't do.
01:33:52.000About, like, elites is that, like, sometimes they'll have these parties and then the help will be the ones who talk about it, like the people that are the caterers or the people that are the maids.
01:34:04.000And it's like the arrogance to be naked with a crow mask on wandering around the maid.
01:34:12.000Well, it's like part of what they want is they want someone who's not them to observe the How much freedom they have and how the rules don't apply to them.
01:36:18.000He had a fucking island and he would fly these beautiful, I don't want to say women, because some of them weren't women, some of them were girls, and fly them there.
01:36:29.000And he curated these experiences and by all accounts, there was at least some connection To intelligence, whether it was foreign or domestic, there was some sort of a connection to intelligence agencies.
01:36:46.000And they used this sort of very relaxed social climate.
01:37:34.000I mean, if you were in this sort of geopolitical game, a lot of it is about relationships and influence, right?
01:37:41.000There's decisions that can be made one way or another, and sometimes you make these decisions based on the relationships that you have, based on the influence, based on what the other people around you are also being influenced by these groups.
01:37:53.000And you go in one way or another, and you can shift things so that one group of people make enormous amounts of money, or one group of people, their business dies.
01:38:09.000But how many people, that's what I ask of myself, how many people are willing to cross the line of compromising others, installing shit on- It's funny people.
01:38:20.000Secret CIA files say staffers committed sex crimes involving children.
01:38:27.000Declassified CIA Inspector General reports show a pattern of abuse and a repeated decision by federal prosecutors not to hold agency personnel accountable.
01:38:41.000This article came out in December, so it's not new.
01:38:45.000I feel like it's 10 different employees that are contractors.
01:38:49.000Committed sexual crimes involving children.
01:38:52.000Though most of these cases referred to U.S. attorneys for prosecution, only one of the individuals was ever charged with a crime.
01:38:58.000Prosecutors sent the rest of the cases back to the CIA to handle internally, meaning few faced any consequences beyond the possible loss of their jobs and security clearances.
01:39:08.000That marks a striking deviation from how sex crimes involving children have been handled at other federal agencies such as Department of Homeland Security.
01:39:16.000The Drug Enforcement Administration's CIA insiders say the agency resists prosecutions of its staff for fear the cases will reveal state secrets.
01:40:21.000We were talking about people who get molested, like boys who get molested when they're young by men, oftentimes will molest other boys.
01:40:29.000This is a horrible, it's almost like, I've always thought about it, it's like I wonder if it's where the concept of being a vampire comes from.
01:40:42.000And that you, by biting someone, you turn them into that.
01:40:46.000That's almost like an analogy of that or a metaphor of that.
01:40:52.000It's a crazy thing that it happens so often.
01:40:56.000One of the things you hear about when men are molested when they're children, that they'll go on, like a lot of these guys who molest children, they're molested when they were children.
01:41:06.000A lot of these men who go to rape boys, like these Catholic priests were molested by other Catholic priests.
01:41:15.000And it's almost a thing that carries on.
01:41:18.000Abuse and trauma propagates through the generations.
01:41:25.000And there's also probably an insane amount of power psychologically that's involved in doing something to someone that was done to you when you were a boy.
01:41:36.000It's fucking dark shit, but when you find out the prevalence of it in the Catholic Church, it's like, holy shit!
01:42:29.000I've actually spoken to a priest recently.
01:42:31.000They're pretty open to sort of acknowledging the fact that if you're somebody who's a pedophile, What better way to get access to children than to become a priest?
01:44:09.000A friend of mine literally had to run away.
01:44:12.000He had some sort of a thing like a sporting event where he was in Catholic school where the priest made him stay with him in the same room.
01:44:21.000And he was literally running away from him in the room.
01:44:57.000But if you wanted access, if you had that horrible thing and you wanted access to children, what better way?
01:45:06.000And we don't often, or don't talk about it enough.
01:45:09.000There's certain atrocities we don't talk about as much as others.
01:45:12.000Yeah, well that's one that people tell, I know people who are molested by Catholic priests where their parents told them not to tell anybody.
01:46:02.000Because it's an atrocity and that needs to be taken into consideration when people talk about gun control, when they talk about psychological problems that people have, all sorts of psychological disorders that people have, medicines that people are on.
01:46:18.000There's a question of correlation versus causation, right?
01:46:21.000A lot of these people are on disassociatives or they're on psychotropic medicine.
01:46:26.000Is that causing them to be able to do that?
01:46:29.000Is it just because they're fucked up already and that's why they're on this medication?
01:46:33.000If you look at the number of school shooters and mass shooters that are on psychiatric medication, it's astounding.
01:46:42.000But that's usually not talked about in those terms, right?
01:47:00.000And so it seems like there's an over-the-top artificial drama conjured up by the press to get more attention versus sort of properly putting this thing in its context.
01:48:17.000And then a message of health, of sort of this too shall pass, of challenging yourself, of being optimistic about the future, of Trying to grow, trying to survive,
01:48:32.000whatever the hell you're feeling, going through, trying to survive that, and growing from that, all of those things.
01:48:38.000As opposed to, sort of like, nobody cares about you.
01:48:41.000Nobody cares about you if you're struggling, nobody cares about you if you're on medication, all those kinds of things, and you get side effects that are resulting in all kinds of sort of mental or physical struggles.
01:48:56.000I just feel like the press wants the drama Of the shooting.
01:49:17.000And there was just a temporary moment of time where it could be used between the Johnny Depp trial and the Will Smith slap to get the world's attention.
01:49:28.000And the suffering of the humanitarian crisis will continue, as it does in Yemen and Syria.
01:49:33.000There's something that seems to be broken about that kind of mechanism of jumping from point to point to point, and nobody's talking about the nuclear war.
01:49:43.000When you're dealing with a school shooter type situation, how else would you address it?
01:49:52.000We want to find out what's wrong with this kid.
01:49:55.000He's dead, so you can't interview him.
01:51:03.000And so, the situation is, should you be able to own a gun to defend yourself if you're a law-abiding citizen and you know that the police are horribly understaffed, and you know that crime and violence are real things, and I,
01:51:18.000you know, I personally know people have been robbed.
01:51:20.000I know people who've had home invasions.
01:51:23.000I know people that have been in gunfights.
01:52:20.000But there's a lot of people saying, well, you should red flag it if it's...
01:52:26.000If you post pictures of guns or have any kind of the symptoms of somebody that might be able to commit this kind of crime, but that's pushing surveillance.
01:52:34.000Well, what about people that are just gun enthusiasts?
01:53:34.000I think also people try to formulate solutions to problems as if these problems have a limited amount of variables.
01:53:43.000Like if you have a hundred people and you have a gun violence problem versus 330 million people.
01:53:53.000That have all sorts of problems, all sorts of issues with their past, psychology and fucking abuse and trauma, medicine and psychoactive drugs and psychiatric disorders.
01:54:08.000I think you just described Johnny Depp and Amber Heard.
01:54:59.000It's never going to be the same again.
01:55:01.000No one's going to ever look at her the same way again.
01:55:04.000If she had never taken that stand, if she had publicly apologized, if she had done something to get out of it, if she had not pursued it, if she had not written that op-ed, which, by the way, she didn't even write for the Washington Post.
01:55:16.000She had the ACLU ghost write it for her.
01:55:19.000It was part of the deal where she was going to give them $3.5 million, which she never gave them.
01:55:25.000If she had just done that, she would have been like so many other actresses and actors in Hollywood.
01:56:42.000I think they were recording each other to help the relationship to understand because the claim was that he was too drunk or drugged out all the time so he wouldn't remember the different things.
01:56:53.000But it just shows you how in a relationship, crazy can become normal.
01:58:59.000I mean, there is a Hunter S. Thompson quality from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, like the character, the fictional character, not the real character.
01:59:24.000You know, he spent millions of dollars to fulfill Hunter's dying wish of being launched into space, or launched into the air, have his ashes blown out of a cannon that had the gonzo fist, the two-thumbed fist, holding a masculine tab in the center of it.
02:02:10.000I hope that Johnny Depp plays him in a movie.
02:02:16.000He feels like he was, somebody wrote in the comments that he feels like a patient who escaped from an insane asylum and is pretending to be a psychiatrist.
02:02:43.000They're dealing with someone who's a clear sociopath, a clear liar.
02:02:47.000The way she, like, turns, like, she answers the question, looks at the jury, and answers them like she's doing a little show for them, like...
02:02:57.000Well, also to be fair to this whole trial, I don't know how much they're aware about public opinion, but this being televised, it's almost unfair to the judicial process because I feel like the lawyers aren't as terrible as they look.
02:03:14.000They're probably just following the game of how, like, trials usually are, but they just sound disingenuous.
02:03:53.000You might get a jury filled with brilliant, sensitive, compassionate, kind, caring, intelligent, objective people who really want justice to be served.
02:05:52.000When the Rodney King video got released, and those cops were beating Rodney King with batons, and everybody saw it, and then those cops got released, there was riots, everybody was furious.
02:06:02.000The OJ Simpson trial happened right after that, and a lot of people felt like that was...
02:06:24.000There's a friend of mine who went on stage and he was talking during the whole thing and he was saying that he didn't believe that O.J. Simpson was guilty because he's black.
02:08:43.000So if there's any kind of dark shit that you know you won't be able to really get to the core of with the person, you're not interested in talking to them.
02:08:54.000I wouldn't be interested in talking to him regular.
02:08:58.000So I wouldn't be interested in talking to him and broadcasting it.
02:09:47.000They're humans, and realizing that they're humans, they're capable of this, maybe they're sociopaths or psychopaths, you'll detect those things.
02:09:55.000Not all murderers are going to be psychopaths.
02:09:57.000Well, you wanted to interview Putin, and you were going to be able to do it in Russian, which was much different than any way I would be able to interview him.
02:10:04.000The richness of the Russian language and your understanding of the Russian language, you'd be able to interview him in a way that a person like myself would never really be able to talk to him.
02:10:13.000Which is the reason I was interested in it, because I would be able to bring the full perspective of the intelligence, the nuance of that human being, no matter what evils they have done.
02:10:45.000No, it's a human being and you too are capable of that.
02:10:50.000If you're given power, a lot of us will become corrupted, especially over time.
02:10:55.000And our angers, our resentment builds over time.
02:10:59.000And if you get away with a certain amount of things like killing your political enemies, you're doing it over a period of time, and you exist in a world where that's commonplace, right?
02:11:09.000So the interesting thing about propaganda, it's not only a tool to convince the populace of something, you start to believe it yourself.
02:11:20.000I mean, most of the propaganda machine of Hitler, he started to believe.
02:11:26.000There's no evidence he didn't believe.
02:11:28.000Everything about Jews, everything about the German superiority over the Slavic people, just the thing we think of as hateful and idiotic, he truly believed.
02:11:43.000That he's actually spreading the pure, the strong people across the world.
02:11:47.000That's going to make a better world in his view.
02:11:50.000You also have to take into consideration he was on heavy amphetamines, which severely distort your ability to make rational decisions.
02:11:58.000I'm sure you've seen that video of him at the Munich Olympics in 1936, just rocking back and forth, cracked out of his mind.
02:12:05.000Yeah, there's a book called Blitz, I think.
02:12:10.000Sorry, there's a book called Blitz on this topic.
02:12:12.000Most history books on Hitler, Third Reich, and Nazi Germany actually did not know this about the drugs at all.
02:12:23.000Because that wasn't known at the time.
02:13:39.000Well, if you're well off, if you believe, what is it called, heart, that if you're well off in your life, you can try heroin, you can try cocaine, you can try crack.
02:14:18.000And then that one is prescribed by doctors.
02:14:20.000Well, Steven Tyler just had a foot operation, and they put him on pain medication, and he's been sober for years, and he just had to check himself back into a rehab because he was getting whacked out on the pain meds, so they canceled their residency in Las Vegas for Aerosmith.
02:14:44.000Well, the people that get really addicted, man, that's like a part of your life that's just always in the background, always in the shadows.
02:14:53.000Well, you can be fine with a little drinky poo.
02:14:56.000Come on, Alex, what's a little line of coke?
02:15:30.000I've gained weight since Ukraine, which is stress.
02:15:34.000And the way that I take that out is I just hide from the world, listen to Rise and Fall of the Third Reich or different books about the dark periods of history and eat excessive amounts of fruit.
02:15:48.000And then call relatives and listen to them cry and then go back to eating fruit.
02:19:45.000At the very least, is he's forcing Twitter's hand to address it and expose it, and it's very likely that they've been lying.
02:19:54.000First of all, something's weird happening over at Twitter.
02:19:58.000When he said that he was going to start, when he started this process, and then announced that he was making an offer for Twitter, and then Twitter accepted his offer, Since then, I've gained 800,000 followers.
02:20:27.000Am I released because they realize that these algorithms that they're using are really fucking creepy and that they're going to be exposed and these people are going to get in trouble?
02:20:35.000So are they just like killing all this code?
02:20:42.000That pressure was really, really necessary.
02:20:44.000I don't know if his ideas are, his off-the-top-of-his-head ideas are good, but the point is innovation is really needed.
02:20:50.000Because that's an Instagram, too, for sure.
02:20:53.000Instagram, all of the, they, listen, I've talked to a lot of those people, and they actually mean well, and they're great engineers, but they've become stale in terms of the amount of innovation they're doing, and they've become arrogant And dismissive.
02:21:09.000Like they become arrogant in thinking they know what is information, what is misinformation.
02:21:14.000They've become arrogant in thinking they can know what is good and not.
02:21:21.000And also they become dismissive of these other conspiracy theories or theorists or these other humans that are trying to manipulate our platform to do bad to the world.
02:21:31.000And that starts to fuck with your head.
02:21:34.000And if you just hire everybody that believes the same thing as you in a room, that you can start to believe that there is this particular thing that is true about COVID and everybody else is lying.
02:21:45.000And not only are they lying, but their lies are going to have mass damage on society.
02:21:52.000They're going to hurt a lot of people.
02:21:54.000And that kind of arrogance can build and build and build until you're actually just...
02:22:01.000That you use for your platform for both the search and discovery and for the recommendation and for the feed is no longer actually a great product.
02:22:12.000It's not just like it's violating freedom of speech and all those kinds of things, which is very important, but it's just a shitty product.
02:22:54.000I don't think they created the algorithm with the intention of making people upset.
02:23:00.000That's like a false narrative that I think gets tossed around about a lot where they say that these algorithms exist to encourage engagement and encourage people to get angry.
02:23:12.000People get angry and people engage with things that they get upset by.
02:23:16.000All the algorithm does is find out what you like.
02:23:18.000If you look on my YouTube algorithm in general, it's mostly professional pool, Muay Thai matches, muscle cars, and food.
02:24:41.000Yes, and they do suck and we need to make them better and improve them because they have mental health consequences because the drama seems to be maximized and there's journalists that feed this algorithm that use the ads for income so they're going to feed the most engagement It's not the social media algorithm,
02:26:13.000But I mean, you know, I think that the institutions themselves are shitty, and they're trying desperately to try to maintain relevance in this day and age where people don't want to buy print anymore.
02:26:52.000It's not the problem of the algorithm.
02:26:54.000If the algorithm existed independently of censorship, I don't think people would have as much of a problem with it.
02:27:00.000It's that the algorithm exists and then on top of that they censor things.
02:27:05.000You know, they remove things where it's like YouTube will remove a video if it is a discussion of a peer-reviewed paper, scientific paper, that doesn't fit in with whatever ideology they're pushing.
02:27:20.000That's like the most blatant and ridiculous censorship.
02:27:27.000For discussing trials of ivermectin on yellow fever because they're doing things about ivermectin and they've decided that ivermectin is negative because of the political consequences.
02:27:36.000Or they also do something, I would say, worse, which is, I think they call it deceleration, which they don't, you know, I guess people call that shadow banning.
02:27:48.000They don't recommend it or recommend it much less in the search and discovery process.
02:29:29.000The problem is like with stupid shit, it's like if someone makes a video about the world being hollow and aliens live underneath it and they're using marionette strings to control our dictators, that's funny.
02:29:42.000It doesn't, it doesn't, I don't believe in it, but somebody might.
02:29:46.000And the problem is we're protecting dumb people from bad ideas.
02:29:51.000There's a lot of people out there that think that they are smarter than other people and so they're worried about people being influenced by ideas that they think are invalid.
02:30:02.000Whether it's ideas about the Illuminati or ideas about whatever the fuck it is.
02:30:06.000It's like you're protecting people because like if there's flat earth videos and you're banning them.
02:30:46.000I'm not exactly sure why that bothers me so much, but I sense behind that that, first of all, a lot of them probably, if we sat down, wouldn't be able to prove to me that the Earth is round.
02:31:25.000The biggest thing I have a problem with is the arrogance, because you should have a humility.
02:31:31.000Why is there a community of people that believe the Earth is flat?
02:31:33.000You can say it's because they're all stupid, but I just feel like that's a slippery slope too, believing that there's just a bunch of dumb people.
02:31:41.000That's an opportunity to educate them or hear them out.
02:32:30.000Science is the very early stages of understanding.
02:32:33.000We don't understand most of anything about the human mind, most of anything about the universe, about biology, it's a giant mystery, and we congratulate ourselves because we made a lot of progress in the past century or two centuries, depending on the discipline.
02:32:46.000But the world is shrouded in mystery, and I think humility should be the driver for the recommender systems on YouTube, on Twitter, on Facebook, and so on.
02:32:59.000And always err on the side of free speech, I think.
02:33:02.000I think so too, and I think it's also an interesting opportunity to explore why people believe stupid shit, why people believe the Earth is flat, why people believe space is fake.
02:33:11.000You know, there's a thriving community of people that think space is fake.
02:33:17.000And a lot of it has to do with, like, religious beliefs.
02:33:19.000They believe that, you know, there's, like, a dome over the Earth, and the Earth is like a flat disk.
02:33:28.000Well, I also, I mean, I can empathize because there's something, I mean, I'm sure there's something genetically, biologically wrong with me or right with me, but I find those things fun to think about.
02:33:39.000There's nothing wrong with you because it's so silly.
02:33:40.000Yeah, but then maybe it's a slippery slope.
02:33:43.000You have a little bit of fun, you get into a room, you have some beers with your friends, and then you're like, the fun turns and you get t-shirts.
02:34:21.000Did you know that the Osmond Brothers had an album that was dedicated to that belief and that inside the album is like all these worlds?
02:34:29.000It's like in the jacket of the album when you open up the album cover there's like these worlds and this is all based on this Mormon principle written by a fucking 14 year old con artist Allegedly.
02:34:48.000How do you know you don't get your own planet?
02:34:50.000Imagine if this one guy was onto something, he really knew, and everybody's like, he lied about everything else, but he was right about this.
02:34:56.000What if planet is just a metaphor for a simulation?
02:34:59.000You get to enter, you get transported to another world.
02:35:02.000Or your entire life in your existence.
02:35:06.000I mean, you don't know how the world sees you when you're not around.
02:35:09.000Maybe you literally do live in your own planet.
02:35:11.000Maybe as you go through life thinking that you're gonna go visit your friend and that he's there when you're not there.
02:35:19.000Maybe he doesn't even exist until you show up.
02:35:49.000I mean, imagine if you found out that your life was really a simulation, and that all of your interactions with people were pro and con, were all these little lessons that you learned, and you're just going through this thing to experience enough different scenarios to have a better,
02:36:05.000more comprehensive understanding of who you are as an individual.
02:36:22.000You create a whole world just to be able to understand yourself better.
02:36:24.000That's what a therapy session will be of the future, is you create an entire planet, See, the Mormons are onto something.
02:36:31.000You create an entire planet, entire civilization, and places you into a particular aspect that helps you to work out your ancestral issues, like your relationship with your dad, your relationship with your mom, your, like, former girlfriends or whatever.
02:36:47.000You have to figure all that out, and it creates just the kind of crazy people around you, or healthy people, to help you figure that out.
02:36:55.000And then, at the end of your life, you come to that realization, and then you return back, To the eternal self with the deep realization of resolving some of the deep psychological issues that you had before.
02:37:09.000Well, you know, Elio Gracie felt his belief was that you lived the same life over and over and over again until you got it right.
02:37:21.000Until you made all the correct choices, made all the right decisions at every single stage of your life.
02:37:29.000And that this life is like this constant process of improving upon your existence.
02:37:38.000So Nietzsche had the eternal occurrence thing where unlike Ilya Gracie, I guess you don't get to change.
02:37:47.000You keep doing the exact same thing which focuses your mind saying the decisions you make at any one moment We'll be repeated for all eternity.
02:37:57.000Therefore, there's a lot of pressure to get it right.
02:38:02.000There's a lot of importance to getting it right.
02:38:03.000Like, imagine every single thing you do today will be repeated for eternity, over and over and over and over and over.
02:38:15.000If you tell people that they feel trapped, they feel like locked into this existence over and over and over again, having to live your life over and over and over again.
02:38:40.000Most of us, if we're conscious of the moment, we like the moment.
02:38:43.000If you treat it with care and understanding and humility and compassion and intelligence, it's possible to enjoy a lot of them.
02:38:54.000Obviously, there's horrific accidents and terrible tragedies and there's things you can't enjoy.
02:38:59.000But overall, if you're alive, especially if you're you or me, and you're very privileged, and you're very fortunate, and you live in America, and you have a job that's rewarding and fascinating and great and all these good things, why wouldn't you want to keep doing it forever?
02:39:31.000Yeah, because I think we want to transcend.
02:39:34.000I think we feel trapped by our monkey bodies.
02:39:36.000We want to transcend this existence and be something more spiritual, be something more complete.
02:39:41.000I think we find these little moments of that when you do show kindness and compassion and love and camaraderie and all these different things.
02:39:50.000That elevate us beyond the base existence and give us this new, even if it's only a temporary, fresh perspective, fresh enjoyment of life.
02:40:00.000And then we hope that one day we'll be free of all the things that hold us down to this very primal, survival-based existence.