Joe and Meghan are joined by their good friend Meghan to talk about Ricea, moonshine, and coffee. Meghan gives us a run down of what it's like to drink Ricea and Joe tries to figure out why he doesn't like it. They also talk about what it means to be a "strong drinker" and how to make the best cup of coffee in America. Also, Meghan talks about how she doesn't know why she doesn t like tequila or tequila, but she does like Ricea. We also learn that she's not a coffee drinker, but a whiskey drinker and that's a good thing because she's a strong drinker too! Cheers to America, crack a mug and enjoy this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience! Check it out! The Podcast, by day, by night, all day. All day, all night, every day, every week, all the time. -Joe Rogan Podcast by day - by night. By night, the Joe Rogans Experience. by night - all day, and all day! -By day, we're not friends anymore. And by night we're drunk. We love you, bye. Cheers, Cheers! Cheers. Joe and Cheers - Cheers!! - Joe and Megan xoxo, EJ & EJ (and Cheers from Joe and EJ and Ej & Ej. (Thank you for listening to this episode, Ejoejoe and all the day and night, and hope you enjoy the episode and love you're ready to drink some more. EJEVERYTHING! -EJE is a good friend of mine and I hope you like it! - EJEE and I appreciate you listen to this and enjoy the show! - Thank you for being a good day! - Thank you so much for listening and supporting it! xo - Ejee EjEJEE XO - -Ejoe & EK (and I hope it's good! -JOEJE - and I can't wait to see you in the next episode! -P.S. & I'll see you soon! -Merry Christmas! -Joe & Cheers EJIE (and we'll see ya soon!
00:07:40.000Well, I mean, I guess, so part of the thing that happened was that I realized that attaching yourself to any movement and any ideology limits critical thought and independent thought, you get trapped into this box and the people that you're allied with in these movements also trap you into that box.
00:08:13.000And I want the freedom to change my mind about things.
00:08:19.000I want the freedom to explore new ideas and I want the freedom to talk to, you know, I also do podcasts and I want to be able to, part of the reason I do it is because it's interesting, like it's a great way to learn.
00:08:32.000I've learned so much just from the opportunity to talk to so many different kinds of people and ask them questions about things that I don't know about.
00:08:44.000Running a podcast and being able to have conversations with people has changed who I am.
00:08:48.000I mean, if you go back 12 years ago to when I started the podcast, what I know and the way I talk and the way I think about things, it's very different.
00:11:17.000And then watching the way people behaved when they got a hold of a lot of unemployment and the money from the government, the COVID relief money, and they didn't want to work anymore.
00:12:33.000It's their fault because they're phobic or the system's trying to keep you down.
00:12:38.000So I think that not wanting to work anymore is like, well, why should I? I don't have to.
00:12:44.000They don't realize that it's good for your mental health to work.
00:12:48.000It's not good for your mental health to sit around in your apartment on Netflix or on Zoom or on social media or on dating apps or looking at porn all day.
00:12:58.000Well, the thing is, it's not good to not be self-sustaining, is my thought.
00:13:04.000I think for many people, you get unemployment and you use that unemployment to try to find another job and to sustain yourself, and it's great.
00:13:12.000But for some people, there is a general human tendency to, when you're offered a break, to take that break.
00:13:20.000You know, when you're offered money to do nothing, to do nothing, and you'll do nothing.
00:13:26.000I think my thoughts about universal basic income were, and this is what I liked about it, I liked the idea of giving a person an opportunity where, like, we pay for so many things.
00:13:37.000We just sent 40 billion dollars to Ukraine, right?
00:13:40.000Why can't we figure out a way to give people enough money to sustain themselves so that they could actually pursue their interests?
00:13:56.000But then when I saw how people reacted with the government money from COVID relief and from unemployment, I was thinking, man, I don't know.
00:14:09.000There's a lot of people that aren't going to react the right way.
00:14:11.000And what they're going to do is they're going to take an easy way out and they're going to lay around.
00:14:16.000If you give people an opportunity to be lazy, unfortunately, a lot of people are going to be lazy.
00:14:23.000And the problem is if you oppose that, if you oppose that relief, then people say you're cruel and you're not looking out for the working people.
00:14:33.000First of all, I hate those fucking categories like working people.
00:14:45.000And if you're not, that is the problem.
00:14:47.000The problem is when people don't want to do anything.
00:14:49.000Because that is a general instinct that people have towards laziness.
00:14:53.000And the problem, I think, with whether it's universal basic income or any other social safety nets, which I very much support for the most part, is that some people, it's not everybody, but some people have a tendency to just be fucking lazy.
00:15:07.000And again, this is attached to, I think, leftist ideology, because I think what I've realized of late is that leftist ideology is about idealism.
00:15:22.000Like, it's like, we want to create this world, and this is the way the world should be.
00:15:27.000But in reality, that world doesn't exist, and people don't work like that.
00:16:40.000You know, like if we create this kind of society, then we'll all live in happy communities And everybody will work and nobody will slack off and like there'll be no exploitation and like rape will disappear and oppression will disappear.
00:16:56.000And that's not what happens in the real world.
00:16:58.000That's not what's happened in places that have implemented communist regimes.
00:17:05.000I don't think that it's good to base a movement on idealism and ideas that are not rooted in material reality.
00:17:13.000The argument is always that socialism has never been implemented correctly.
00:17:18.000This sort of utopian idea of what a real, genuine, compassionate socialist community could look like.
00:17:27.000That's never really been done correctly.
00:17:30.000But do you think it's a human nature issue?
00:17:33.000The idea of socialism is great on a surface level if you're thinking about people that work hard and that want everyone else to do well and they want to all contribute.
00:17:45.000I think you could have a socialist community of very driven, disciplined people where they share.
00:18:45.000I think the idea of A universal healthcare system where everyone is covered and you never have to worry about anything bankrupting you because you broke a leg or you hurt your back, that you're taken care of and that we all contribute to that.
00:19:03.000And again, if we can give $40 billion to Ukraine, why the fuck can't we do that?
00:19:38.000I do think that it is imperative that people have access to health care.
00:19:44.000And I think the health care system in America...
00:19:47.000It's horrible because I think the aspect of it that's horrible is that people can go into insane amounts of debt because they got sick or hurt.
00:20:04.000An amount of debt that you can't afford to pay off with the job that you've gotten from going to university, and then they're charging you all this interest, so it makes it doubly impossible to pay it off, and it's like a trap.
00:20:53.000Until I was able to, you know, make a living off of what I'm doing now, which took a lot of work and me working for free for many, many years.
00:21:01.000I had like three jobs all through university.
00:21:04.000Like I was always working full time and you're trying to complete a degree and they make that impossible too.
00:22:18.000Do you think that there's a certain amount of struggle like that, that is not just good for you, but necessary in order to steal your discipline and create a person who can overcome adversity?
00:22:35.000If everything is handed to you, this is the argument that the right will use, right?
00:22:40.000That if you make things too easy, if you give people free education, if you give people free healthcare, that they're going to become soft and we need a resilient, tough country that works hard and the way you get people to work hard is you force them to.
00:22:54.000Because that's the only way that people are going to do it.
00:22:59.000I mean, I think that struggle is imperative and important.
00:23:03.000I think that you need pain to experience and understand pleasure.
00:23:09.000I think if there's just everything is easy for you, I think you get really depressed.
00:23:15.000Like, you need to work hard and you have to know what it means to, like, suffer and feel pain and to, like, be bad at things and to, like, get better at things.
00:24:11.000I mean, if you are born poor and working class, it's not that it's impossible to get out of it.
00:24:16.000You can, and lots of people do, and that's incredible.
00:24:19.000But you're challenged in so many different ways, mentally and in terms of systemic barriers, you know, being able to get a degree, for example, and having the kind of credit that you need to take out loans to,
00:24:36.000you know, buy property, get a house, so on and so forth.
00:24:38.000But there's like a mental barrier that I experienced because I thought, I'm working class.
00:25:42.000If you have an uncle that started a business and became successful, you go, oh, I see how to do it.
00:25:45.000I mean, and I knew when I was a kid, I knew when I was a teenager, and this is still true now, that a lot of people who own houses and properties, that's because they had family money.
00:25:54.000You know, their parents put their down payment down for them.
00:25:57.000So if you don't have that, I don't have that.
00:25:59.000So I was like, how am I, like, what, am I going to save up $30,000, like, for a down payment?
00:26:04.000Yeah, the term working class, one of the things that bugs me about it is it's one of those things that gets used often as a cheap political ploy.
00:26:15.000Like, we're here for the working class.
00:26:17.000And then people, you need to support the working class.
00:26:20.000That's what drives me nuts about it, because it's this weird sort of categorization of people.
00:26:25.000Because it does classify people in almost an inescapable little tomb.
00:26:41.000And oftentimes, what we consider not the working class, people are such knuckleheads that if they make $400,000 a year, they spend $399, you know, and they become the working class.
00:26:53.000They have a lot of other stuff that they have to pay for.
00:28:27.000Well, I mean, I think part of this, again, is that I don't want to categorize myself as anything because then you get stuck in these boxes and it's like, well, you're a leftist, so you have to support Black Lives Matter.
00:28:42.000You're a leftist, so you have to believe women.
00:28:46.000You're a leftist, so you have to, you know, want to open the borders.
00:28:54.000And I don't want to be trapped in any category or ideology.
00:28:59.000I support practical ways to help people.
00:29:03.000So if these policies work to help people, then I support them.
00:29:07.000If there's different policies that are categorized as right wing that help people, that are better, that are more effective, then I'll support those policies.
00:29:16.000And also, you know, what the left has become is totally different than what the left used to be.
00:29:23.000I don't believe that the left supports the working class or cares about the working class.
00:29:27.000I think that the left is caught up in...
00:29:30.000I think that the left consists of middle and upper class people who don't know any poor people, who don't know any marginalized people, who don't know working class people, who don't know...
00:29:45.000As these groups and categories that exist in their head.
00:29:48.000And I say this because I'm from Vancouver.
00:30:12.000I've met basically since I was kicked off Twitter.
00:30:17.000That was a blessing in disguise in some ways.
00:30:20.000For people who don't know you, for people who didn't listen to the other episode.
00:30:26.000I met Megan because I was outraged and I brought up your case in the conversation with Jack Dorsey.
00:30:34.000I brought it up multiple times in the podcast because you were kicked off Twitter for life for saying a man can never be a woman, which is madness.
00:31:33.000But also, I believe that Twitter was going after me specifically because I was speaking critically about gender identity ideology and because I was asking these kinds of questions.
00:31:46.000I don't think that it was specifically because of these tweets.
00:31:50.000I think they took those tweets as an excuse.
00:31:52.000I think they were trying to get rid of me and then they're like, Okay, that's hateful.
00:31:56.000And when you say they, it's probably just some moderator.
00:32:00.000It's probably someone who has a subjective opinion about what you say and whether or not you should say it.
00:32:07.000And that's a problem generally that a lot of people have with the censorship that's on social media, Twitter in particular.
00:32:13.000You know, one of the weird things that's happening now with Elon Musk buying Twitter or attempting to buy Twitter, they've done something different.
00:32:21.000And one of the things they've done different is I gained, now it's 900,000 followers in the month or so.
00:36:48.000I just, I mean, I have to use social media for work because I work for myself, so it's the only way I can get what I produce out into the world, and that's how I make an income.
00:37:00.000Almost solely through individual donations.
00:37:03.000So people who send me donations through my website, or they sign up to my Patreon, or they pay for a subscription on Substack, which I haven't put anything behind a paywall, so people can just choose to pay or not, so I just appreciate it if people pay because it's how I make an income.
00:37:26.000But I also, I would not really, I don't think I would have a public Instagram account if I hadn't been, I didn't start a public Instagram account until I was kicked off of Twitter.
00:38:23.000Because his take on it was like, if you were going to buy something and you were buying it under the assumption that, okay, here it goes.
00:38:31.000Twitter's set to turn bot data over to Musk.
00:38:52.000The device the Post came from and other information about the account holders.
00:38:56.000The Washington Post reported Wednesday citing an unnamed person familiar with the matter.
00:39:00.000Such a move would help respond to Musk's repeated demands for more information about the composition of Twitter's user base and the extent of its problem with bots.
00:39:09.000Musk has challenged Twitter's claims that just 5% of its accounts are bots.
00:39:13.000Calling the way the company calculates fake accounts very suspicious in a May tweet.
00:39:18.000So I'm really interested to see how this plays out because he is what he would describe as a free speech absolutist.
00:39:27.000And I think that that is something that people are reluctant to agree.
00:39:47.000I was calling myself a free speech absolutist for a while, and then I interviewed Michael Salina, who's with the Founders Fund, and he organized Hereticon, which was Mm-hmm.
00:39:59.000A conference that I went to in Miami in January that was like amazing.
00:40:02.000It was basically like a wrong think conference.
00:40:51.000Well, I quit when I was 21. And I hate cigarettes now.
00:40:55.000But I quit when I was 21, which was good timing because that was around the same time when all the bars started not letting you smoke inside.
00:41:03.000I used to go to the bar and drink beer and smoke cigarettes inside the bar.
00:44:43.000I'm a proponent of you having the ability to do whatever you want.
00:44:47.000The problem is the people that work there.
00:44:49.000If you're smoking, there's so many cases of people that are waiters or waitresses in a bar and they get cancer from lungs and they don't smoke.
00:45:54.000It's a workplace environment safety issue.
00:45:56.000But, you know, if you have a social club that doesn't have employees, you know, like there's places that set up, they set up places as social clubs so that they can get around certain rules.
00:46:08.000Okay, because it's like a private space.
00:46:31.000That's what, if I try to smoke a cigarette now, because every once in a while, in general I find it gross, but every once in a while I'll be like, there'll be a cigarette smell that appeals to me for some reason.
00:46:39.000It probably smells like my Du Maurier ultralight king size that I used to smoke when I was 17. And I'm like, I want to try a cigarette.
00:46:49.000And then I'm like, ugh, that was fucking disgusting.
00:46:52.000And now my mouth tastes like an ashtray.
00:47:43.000I would be so sad if I had, like, two shots of ricey and was like, woo, gotta go to bed.
00:47:48.000Well, it's weird how it is genetic in that some people of certain ancestry, they don't have a historical, you know, there's not like a lot of history of their ancestors drinking alcohol, and they struggle with it,
00:48:04.000whereas Irish people generally, well, you know, but there are a lot of Irish alcoholics, but they can put it down better for whatever reason.
00:49:48.000I don't like MDMA. It doesn't do what it does to a lot of other people.
00:49:59.000It makes me feel antisocial and I want to go sit in a corner and then wait for it to be done.
00:50:05.000I think I like drinking because it's social.
00:50:09.000I like going out with my friends and laughing and being stupid and talking about stupid things and doing karaoke and getting loose and wild and...
00:50:24.000Like, I think people think I'm on vacation all the time because I moved to a vacation town and probably I post a lot of vacation-y looking photos.
00:50:34.000But I work, you know, five or six days a week.
00:51:41.000So it's just, yeah, it's bad all around.
00:51:43.000There's some sort of a reason for that.
00:51:45.000They've isolated some reason for why people make poor decisions with food when they're tired.
00:51:54.000Yeah, I'm sure there is because it's always been like that for me.
00:51:58.000When I had an office job and I had to be at work at 8 in the morning or whatever, I would spend the whole day drinking sugar coffees and then I'd want a cookie and I'd buy some pastry thing at the cafe.
00:52:14.000I guess it's your body trying to keep you up.
00:52:17.000And I don't really eat that stuff very often now.
00:52:38.000And I would get to Friday and be so done that I'd be like, go party!
00:52:43.000And then you party all weekend, and you get to Sunday night, and you're depressed, and you have to go back to work again.
00:52:48.000Well, here's the thing that people are pushing back against a lot is the idea of doing remote office work.
00:52:56.000There's a lot of people that feel like they're more productive at home, and then there's a lot of other people who feel like their employees need to be in the office because that's the only way they can keep track of whether or not they're being effective or whether or not they're actually working.
00:53:11.000One of the things we found out during the pandemic is how many guys jerk off while they're on Zoom calls.
00:55:50.000Although some systems of national law still adhere to the view that ships and aircraft are part of the territory of the state, the nationality of which they possess, this is merely a crude metaphor.
00:56:02.000In international law, a distinction has been made between three types of state jurisdiction, territorial jurisdiction over national territory, and all persons and things therein.
00:56:12.000Quasi-territorial jurisdiction over national ships and aircraft and all persons and things thereon, and personal jurisdiction over all other nationals and all persons under a state's protection as well as their property.
00:56:28.000In case of conflict, territorial jurisdiction overrides quasi-territorial jurisdiction and personal jurisdiction, while quasi-territorial jurisdiction overrides personal jurisdiction.
00:57:39.000But I went to this one beach and there's a path down to the beach and it says no trespassing private property, but it's like, well, it's a beach.
00:57:50.000And so we're down at the beach and the chick who owns the property comes down and is like...
00:57:55.000You know, like, you're not allowed, like, you're basically, you're allowed to come to the beach via a boat, but you're not allowed to walk down her path to the beach.
00:58:03.000So she's essentially created a private beach.
00:58:20.000So I have a friend who has a place in Malibu, and he was telling me that his sons were surfing, and they were in this area, and this guy didn't know that they were his sons.
00:58:32.000So the guy comes out and starts screaming and yelling at them.
00:59:54.000The problem is if you have a bedroom and you like to keep your windows open so you can hear the waves crashing and you have people right below you and they're fucking partying, playing shitty music.
01:01:05.000I rented a house there once because my kitchen was getting redone and it wasn't bad because you don't notice that people are there because it's so loud.
01:01:16.000You hear the water crashing against the rocks and everything all day long, and it really is beautiful.
01:01:22.000Like in the morning, I would eat breakfast.
01:01:24.000We were only there for a couple of months, but I would eat breakfast in the morning, and the way we were at, we were on this place that had like a deck, and the water was almost under the deck.
01:01:34.000So when you sit there eating breakfast, it's like you're on the water.
01:02:11.000I was born in New Jersey, but I only lived there until I was 7. I lived in San Francisco from 7 to 11. And then I lived in Florida from 11 to 13. And then I lived in Boston for the rest of the time.
01:02:23.000I was born in Vancouver and grew up in Vancouver, so I was always near the beach.
01:02:31.000I would bike to Kitt's Pool every day all summer, which is right on the ocean.
01:02:36.000And now, the idea of, I live in a beach town now, I would never live somewhere, or I think I would feel almost depressed living somewhere where there was no ocean, or I would feel trapped.
01:02:49.000It's almost like a claustrophobic feeling.
01:04:41.000If you really wanted to be a musician, and karaoke is the place where you get to flex your muscles, but then you go back to the factory in the morning.
01:04:54.000And it's sad because you're behaving as though you think that you're more talented than you actually are.
01:05:01.000And I'm not sure if deep down inside you believe it, but you kind of project that.
01:05:05.000Like, I take this really seriously because I'm very good at it and I'm very talented and I can't make a joke about this because that would hurt my ego.
01:05:13.000I don't even know if it's a talent thing.
01:05:47.000Like, comedians make it now more than ever before.
01:05:50.000Talented people, which is great, they get on YouTube, and they put a video up on YouTube, like their own personal thing, and they'll get hundreds of thousands of views, millions of views.
01:08:37.000I mean, there's lots of people who are great musicians and they have to keep their day job and they do it in their free time for fun, essentially.
01:08:47.000You have to have musicians, have to have fucking sound guys, you have to have the drummer and the guitar player and people that carry your stuff, roadies and trucks for all your shit.
01:08:59.000Yeah, but I think, I mean, with musicians and music, it's like being good.
01:09:03.000Like, people aren't going to like your music just because you're good.
01:09:06.000Like, just because you're really talented.
01:09:08.000Just because you're a really good musician, people aren't necessarily going to want to listen to it.
01:09:11.000And that's evidenced by the fact that so many people listen to, like, garbage, crap music.
01:09:17.000Right, but isn't that just human taste?
01:10:03.000Okay, I understand that some people like different things than me.
01:10:10.000But I think when it comes to music, like there's some people who I think genuinely just aren't really into music, which offends me because I'm really into music and I love music.
01:11:00.000Listening to that music on headphones, riding a bike next to wild horses and crying because he was so happy because it was such an amazing moment because the song was playing.
01:11:38.000I mean, if you don't feel comfortable, you don't have to talk specifically about him, but like, why do you people, like, people who sort of, Who fall into alcoholism or not taking care of themselves.
01:11:50.000And maybe they did at some point and then they just stopped.
01:11:53.000And I say that, like, I'm thinking of people that I know in my head.
01:11:57.000I don't know Bert, so I'm not talking about him.
01:11:59.000But, like, people who are, it's like, you were sort of okay and now you're, like, a daily, like, you get drunk every day.
01:13:19.000I'm genuinely worried about him because he's almost 50 and he goes hard and, you know, he's very overweight and he decided that when his tour was over, he was going to slow way down and he's going to get in shape.
01:13:47.000So for three whole months He's just gonna exercise and try to eat right and I feel like it would be really hard to stay in shape and eat healthy if you were on the road all the time You can probably speak to this but like even when I used to before COVID I was traveling probably once a month for work like to go to a talk or something and it ends up being a week and then like I can't if I'm traveling I I'm not working out.
01:15:11.000If I'm out getting wasted, I'm not going to be able to get any work done the next day, and I'm not going to exercise, and I'm going to eat bad.
01:17:35.000Tell me what your sub stack is just so they can find you.
01:17:38.000It's called The Same Drugs, but I think it's just Megan Murphy at Substack or whatever.
01:17:44.000Megan with an H. And it's pretty new, but writing is what I want to do.
01:17:50.000I don't have enough time to write as much as I want to write because I spend so much time on the podcasts and the video stuff and just doing admin work and blah blah blah.
01:18:01.000There's something about drinking that formulates ideas in my head that don't seem to want to be there without drinking.
01:18:09.000Like, there's times when drinking, like, bumps you or shoves you into an area of thought where you're laughing about something that maybe you wouldn't have laughed about.
01:19:16.000It's a small community, so I know lots of people, and I know if I go to the bar, I'm probably going to see a friend.
01:19:21.000But even if I don't, I'll just go sit at the bar, and the person next to me will start talking to me, and they'll be cool, and I'll learn something, and they'll be interesting.
01:20:03.000And people don't care what your politics are.
01:20:08.000Nobody knew what I did or who I was there until I did your podcast and couldn't hide it anymore that I was a bigot.
01:20:22.000It was really beautiful because I, you know, I had been so ostracized in Vancouver because of the gender identity stuff.
01:20:31.000Like, I mean, for people who don't know, because I'm critical of gender identity and I don't think men can become women and I want to protect women's rights and protect kids.
01:20:43.000You know, people in Vancouver, a lot of people just...
01:21:19.000But you're worried about what your friends will think.
01:21:23.000And they behaved as though I was causing trouble in their lives because they would end up in these arguments with their friends or in a position where they were being asked to defend me or being asked to condemn me.
01:21:37.000And it made things stressful for them.
01:22:47.000Certain ones, all you have to do is identify.
01:22:49.000You don't have to have any proof of what you're doing.
01:22:52.000Especially when it comes to high school sports and college sports, you are now competing with someone who's trying to get a scholarship.
01:23:00.000And if someone is an elite athlete, so say if a woman is an elite athlete in a certain sport, and she has fucking...
01:23:07.000Been grinding it out her whole life and then some biological male comes along and identifies as a woman and then a year later is competing against women and has almost supernatural advantages and this is what we're seeing and it doesn't make you a bigot to say that.
01:23:24.000This is what's so fucked up about this whole thing.
01:23:26.000It's like you can be an open-minded, compassionate person who also sees the truth.
01:23:32.000And where the rubber hits the road, in my eyes, is when there's clear classifications of male or female in sports.
01:23:53.000And we've always known that because otherwise these categories wouldn't exist.
01:23:57.000And women wouldn't have sports if we didn't know that and we didn't decide if women are going to play sports competitively, if women are going to compete, they have to have their own category because they can't compete against men.
01:25:36.000Well, if you have synthetic estrogen in your system, is that okay?
01:25:40.000And how much testosterone are you allowed to have?
01:25:42.000Because there's a guy named Derek who runs this YouTube show, More Plates, More Dates, and he was going over thresholds.
01:25:48.000Because he was talking about that woman, the swimmer from Leah Thomas, and he was going over thresholds.
01:25:54.000He's like, the thresholds that were in certain sports where they test and they say, okay, you can compete as a woman, are like, Way higher than most women are.
01:27:10.000The idea of creating a trans category would be fine in theory, but there's not enough trans people for that to make sense.
01:27:19.000And my opinion is that if you want to be an athlete, if you want to compete, then you make a decision about whether or not you want to take hormones.
01:27:29.000And if you're taking hormones, you can't compete, just like everybody else.
01:27:34.000Like, you can be trans if you want, but that might take you out of the competition.
01:27:38.000So you choose what's more important to you.
01:27:41.000And I'm not saying that to be mean, but there's no other solution.
01:27:44.000If you're a male, if you've gone through puberty, you have an advantage.
01:27:49.000Like, I just interviewed Taylor Silverman, who is a skateboarder, a female skateboarder, and she lost first place to a so-called trans woman.
01:27:59.000Um, so a male who was identifying as a woman.
01:28:03.000And she, it was a Red Bull contest and she contacted Red Bull privately.
01:28:07.000Like she wasn't trying to make a big show of anything.
01:28:48.000She got a ton of traction, a ton of attention, and a ton of support.
01:28:52.000And it's like, maybe some people think about skateboarding, and they're like, well, what advantage does a man have over a woman in skateboarding?
01:29:04.000I don't skateboard, so I'm not going to explain this as well as somebody who's skateboarding.
01:29:07.000But there are advantages and differences in all sorts of subtle ways, as well as in very obvious ways when we're talking about sports like track, swimming, MMA. Jesus Christ, you're beating people up.
01:29:22.000Well, that's where I came into the conversation.
01:29:24.000When that thing was happening where there was a trans woman who was a male for 30 years who was only transitioned within the last two years and was not telling anybody and saying that it was a medical issue.
01:29:38.000So she fought two different women that were biological females and beat the fuck out of them.
01:29:59.000Like, if you got a powerful person, like someone who's a really hard striker, like a Tyron Woodley.
01:30:06.000If Tyron Woodley transitioned to be female, How much are you going to deplete him where it's not the most ruthless execution every time he steps into the cage?
01:33:39.000I mean, I feel like these kinds of things would be the things where people are like, well, I guess women can compete against men, so why are we keeping trans?
01:34:59.000That guy's a lot better than I thought he was.
01:35:01.000You know, I think when I first saw this, I was probably upset that he knocked her out and I probably disparaged his skill.
01:35:12.000But that was a beautiful left hand I'm definitely another one that was yeah, I mean that guy's good What do you do you think that the guy is like how often does this happen where men and women very rarely?
01:35:23.000Yeah, that's an example They probably both weigh the same weight, but the amount of power that that guy had like that left It's funny cuz she looks bigger than him I mean, maybe she's taller.
01:35:49.000I mean, but people who defend trans women being able to compete against women in sport do use these random examples where it's like, oh, you know, well, so-and-so is faster, or so-and-so beats so-and-so.
01:36:43.000I didn't know that it was that big of a political issue back then.
01:36:46.000And then, like, Gloria Steinem in the late 70s, I think, said something critical about, there was like a tennis player, a male tennis player.
01:37:32.000In the late 70s and 80s, and radical feminists were, like, not having it at all.
01:37:37.000Like, it's only recently that all these so-called feminists started to come around and say trans women are women.
01:37:43.000And even then, the radical feminists are the ones that have been fighting this for so long.
01:37:47.000Julie Bendel, who is a UK journalist, wrote an article in 2004 for The Guardian about what happened at Vancouver Rape Relief, which is a...
01:38:00.000It's a rape crisis line and a transition house for women escaping domestic abuse.
01:38:05.000And a trans woman, Kimberly Nixon, came to training for counselors.
01:38:12.000So counselors who were there at the house working with women who were escaping serious domestic abuse and sexual assault.
01:38:20.000And the women who were doing the training were like, you know, sorry, you're a man.
01:38:24.000Only women are allowed to train as counselors here.
01:38:26.000They only had women employees, volunteers.
01:38:30.000And Kimberly Nixon took them to court, to the Human Rights Tribunal.
01:38:35.000Vancouver Rape Relief went all the way to the Supreme Court and won.
01:38:39.000They won the right to determine their own membership.
01:38:42.000They didn't win, you know, trans women or men.
01:38:46.000And Julie Bindel wrote about that case in 2004. Radical feminists were trying to warn people about what was happening and what was going to happen if we allowed this to go on.
01:39:11.000It's very frustrating to me because now we're seeing I don't want to categorize people because, you know, I was going to say right-wing men, but I like a lot of right-wing men.
01:39:25.000There's a lot of right-wing people who are great.
01:39:28.000A lot of people who really do care about women's rights.
01:39:30.000But we're seeing some right-wing men like showing up online and being like, where are all the feminists on this issue?
01:39:37.000How come I'm the only person brave enough to say that men aren't women and to speak up?
01:39:47.000I couldn't get anything published on this.
01:39:49.000Like, when Bill C-16, Canada's gender identity legislation, showed up, the Liberals were trying to push it through in 2016, I pitched to everywhere to say, these are my concerns with regards specifically to the impact on women's rights.
01:40:06.000These are the issues I have with this ideology.
01:40:24.000This happened in the UK. This happened in the US. I'm so grateful that I had my own platform and my own website so that I could write about this stuff and so that I could interview women who were doing work on this issue and interview people who were experts.
01:40:42.000Because otherwise, I don't know where I would have said any of this stuff.
01:40:47.000We finally pushed and pushed and pushed to host talks and that forced the media to cover it a bit.
01:40:54.000I don't know why I started complaining about this, except that it makes me really mad.
01:41:10.000she was saying that the problem becomes a lot of people that are women who have these groups that are dedicated just to women and then a trans woman will come in these groups and behave like a man and and bring like a man's attitude to this thing and she's like it's specific and it's not discussed so it's this thing that happens where they start to Acting male,
01:41:42.000So, like, she was talking about taking over things, running things, like, being, like, very outspoken and aggressive with their opinions about things in almost an intimidating way.
01:46:01.000Men who transition when they're younger tend to be gay men.
01:46:06.000I think it's Ray Blanchard that did this research, tend to be gay men.
01:46:12.000And men who transition when they're older, middle-aged, tend to be heterosexual men with fetishes, with what might be called cross-dressing fetishes.
01:46:22.000They're turned on by wearing women's clothes and by the idea of wearing women's clothes in public, and by the idea of passing as a woman.
01:46:33.000Obviously, none of them pass as women.
01:46:35.000But it's a fetish, and it's called autogonophilia.
01:46:39.000And, you know, a lot of people have talked about this being part of the reason that transgenderism became mainstream, became part of the LGBTQ activism stuff,
01:46:54.000and why they attach themselves to this born-this-way mantra.
01:47:01.000Like, some people are just born trans.
01:47:03.000And why this idea of trans kids exists.
01:47:06.000Like, some kids are just born in the wrong body.
01:47:08.000And some babies are assigned male and, in fact, they're girls.
01:47:15.000Because these guys wanted to legitimize their...
01:47:21.000Fetishes and their preferred identities, so they had to pretend that it was something innate.
01:47:26.000They had to push this narrative that it was something innate, that it wasn't just about them, you know, having this fetish or wearing this clothing.
01:47:57.000If someone is born male but they feel in every fiber of their being that they're supposed to be a woman and they're healthy every other way, Is that really mental illness or is there some wiring that should be male and is female?
01:48:14.000Some not understood mechanism that makes someone feel like they're a woman or feel like they're a boy?
01:48:25.000If you're a male and you feel certain that you're actually supposed to be female, You hate your male body parts so much to such an extent that you cannot live comfortably.
01:48:45.000You have the right to get cosmetic surgeries.
01:48:47.000I think that surgeons should be more accountable and culpable and warn people about the dangers and about the fact that they might not be able to orgasm again or it might be mangled.
01:48:57.000These are real serious, dangerous surgeries.
01:49:01.000But, you know, that's a mental condition.
01:49:04.000Just, like, if you were a man and you believed so strongly, like, there's those people that get, like, you know, lizard, you know, they get, like, bone, like, what are those?
01:54:16.000I just don't like your eyeballs done and fucking bolts put in your head But so to go back to that what we're talking about if someone feels like they've been a girl their whole life Doesn't make them actually a girl so you so where does that?
01:54:34.000Where should that preclude them from sports should preclude them from?
01:54:40.000women's bathrooms like I think it should preclude them from competing against and with women in sport.
01:55:39.000If you're a biological male and say you've transitioned and you want to be identified as a female and go to a female prison if you get arrested, do you have to take estrogen?
01:55:58.000Because you can keep your dick and all your hormones and everything rock and roll and just slinging dick all over the cell block.
01:56:08.000Well, and in Canada, I've talked to women who have been in prison with men and there are sexual assaults that have gone on in women's prisons perpetrated by men.
01:56:24.000How long have they been allowed them to do that, to go to women's prisons?
01:56:29.000I don't know when it started exactly, but at least a few years.
01:56:32.000And now, obviously, it's getting worse because this has been further entrenched in the law.
01:56:56.000You know, like there's people that are shitty people.
01:56:58.000They don't like people for whatever reason, whether they don't like gay people, they don't like trans people, they don't like all kinds of people.
01:57:14.000And so if you don't say that, and you even discuss it, if you talk about things like, hey, you know, that swimmer was number 462 with the men, and now she's number one as a woman.
01:57:34.000There's a certain amount of people that feel like this is their chance to show their loyalty to this ideology and they'll argue it in a very aggressive way.
01:57:46.000It's interesting because how many people are we talking about?
01:57:51.000How many people is this actually affecting where The discussion has gone through the entire culture.
01:58:16.000Because in Canada, the Canadian government will not discuss or acknowledge that this is really happening Nor will the Canadian media.
01:58:25.000You know, there are women who are ex-inmates who are fighting this.
01:58:31.000And some, you know, women, you know, radical feminists who are fighting this.
01:58:38.000But the Canadian government will not engage with them, will not acknowledge.
01:58:44.000I mean, essentially, they've determined that protecting You know, protecting themselves from controversy, protecting themselves from being, you know, attacked by trans activists or criticized or whatever.
01:58:58.000They're just going to let this happen.
01:58:59.000And who cares what the result is for the women in prison who are having to share their cells with men who are impregnating them?
01:59:57.000These Special Forces guys who have to do these insane operations under extreme pressure, very high likelihood of death, and you can't have any bullshit there.
02:00:10.000You have to have the best trained, most qualified, everything has to be accurate, everybody has to form as a unit.
02:00:19.000And if you've got some ideological bullshit, like you have to say this, or we have to have a certain amount of people that are that, or this, like, no, [...
02:00:27.000Because that's the place where literal life or death is in the balance.
02:00:31.000And you cannot be thinking about that nonsense.
02:00:33.000Like, imagine, you know how hard Buds is for Navy SEALs?
02:00:37.000It's like one of the most extreme tests that any military organization puts on a member.
02:00:42.000If you can become a Navy SEAL, you are a highly distinguished human being who can do some things that most people can't do in terms of your will, your ability to force your way through situations that are extremely difficult and uncomfortable.
02:00:56.000You can't say with that, we're going to lighten up our expectations because we like to have some trans SEALs.
02:01:54.000Like I think that it's like, I really, I don't like using the word privilege because it's overused and it's used in sort of weird ways to shut down conversation and to silence people and things like that.
02:02:08.000But I think it's, like, too much privilege.
02:02:10.000Like, you don't have enough real problems that you're worrying about people's gender identities.
02:02:45.000You know, and in those cases, their stories are often like these guys start acting really, like, teenager-y and, like, get super narcissistic and, like, all of a sudden, you know, they get really superficial.
02:04:43.000But like he did, he started off trying on women's clothing and being turned on by it and then would like wear pantyhose under his pants and, you know...
02:05:17.000You don't wear pantyhose unless you're acting out some sort of a weird thing with your significant other when you pretend you'd be a secretary.
02:05:55.000I worked at like a video store in the aughts or whatever and this guy would come in sometimes at night with a leather motorcycle jacket on and then like Flash, he was wearing lingerie underneath.
02:06:11.000But isn't it also like they connect pantyhose with being a woman, and if you wish you were a woman, maybe that's something you'd be attracted to wearing.
02:06:20.000Yeah, they have all these weird stereotypes about women.
02:06:56.000But then it settled down and now is basically dresses, I don't want to say like asexual, but like a flannel shirt, which like a lot of women wear flannel shirts, jeans, a lot of women wear jeans.
02:07:10.000Wasn't anything like definitely masculine or feminine about the way...
02:07:16.000I mean, a lot of these men who transition to become women have these weird, super old-fashioned stereotypes about what a woman is and what women dress like.
02:07:26.000Like, I, in Vancouver, mostly wore giant men's flannel shirts and, like, big men's boots and, like, jeans.
02:07:36.000Or, like, I wear, like, dirty Converse and tube socks almost every day.
02:07:59.000That's a problem that people are worried about with children, that children are so malleable.
02:08:05.000And some people, they don't think you should be worried about it at all.
02:08:09.000And they think you should allow people to discuss anything and everything with your child when it comes to gender, when it comes to sexual identity, all those things.
02:08:24.000And other people are like, what the fuck are you talking about?
02:08:26.000You're supposed to be teaching history.
02:08:28.000You know, and it is a weird thing because children are so malleable.
02:08:34.000Well, and also, like, why do teachers feel like they're the ones or feel entitled to, like, they're the ones who should be educating other people's children about their politics or their ideologies?
02:08:52.000And it's also just as complex if my kid was going to school and there was a hardcore right-wing teacher that was telling them that all gays are evil.
02:08:58.000I would not want that in my childhood either.
02:09:02.000Or if somebody was teaching them about the Virgin Mary immaculate conception.
02:09:53.000I mean, now to be trans, you don't have to have so-called gender dysphoria.
02:09:57.000I sort of think that term's imperfect myself because I sort of feel like it could be argued that everyone has some form of gender dysphoria because, like, say, like, I don't identify wholly with femininity.
02:10:09.000Like, there's parts of me that are feminine.
02:10:11.000There's some, like, girl things that I like.
02:10:14.000And there's lots of aspects of my personality that I think are kind of masculine.
02:12:16.000I think you should be open and talk about things in a relationship.
02:12:18.000But I feel like people who are able to maintain really long-term relationships and marriages often, not always, of course, are the kinds of people who don't say everything they think and don't feel like they need to be like, I didn't like that.
02:16:10.000It's clearly a spectrum, because there's men that aren't interested in sex at all, and there's men that are horny all the time, and it's the same with women.
02:17:14.000And that's the problem with things like the left and the right, is that when you get into an ideology and you're in a tribe, I'm in the tribe of the left, and so I have to subscribe to all the same things that these people subscribe to.
02:17:27.000You know, I have to take on all their notions that I think are ridiculous.
02:17:32.000I have to say it without any questioning.
02:18:24.000Like, you should be able to, you know, identify with whatever personality traits you identify with.
02:18:29.000You should be able to like whatever clothes you like.
02:18:32.000Like, if you're a man and you want to wear a dress and you don't feel very masculine or you don't have a high sex drive or you don't want to, like...
02:18:44.000I agree with, like, I think gender dysphoria refers to something different, which is a very, very strong, overwhelming desire to actually be the opposite sex or, you know, to get rid of your sexed body parts.
02:18:59.000What do you think those caused this massive uptick in the public's understanding discussion of it?
02:19:06.000Like, when did this become something that's on the front line?
02:19:11.000I mean, it's so weird because all of the gender identity legislation was sort of presented and passed around the same time.
02:19:22.000It seemed like everything happened simultaneously at once in a lot of countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, the US. And I don't know exactly how that went down,
02:19:38.000but I think those activists, like the trans activists, were very well organized.
02:19:43.000I think that part of it, you know, other people have theorized around this, so these are not my ideas coming out of nowhere.
02:19:52.000You know, once gay marriage was won, there wasn't much for these LGBT organizations to do and fight for anymore, so there's no reason for them to get funding so they latched onto the trans rights thing so that they could continue to exist, people could keep their jobs, you know,
02:20:07.000so they could continue to get funding.
02:20:09.000Because I don't know, where do you go with the gay rights fight now in Canada and America?
02:20:15.000Like there's not that much to fight for anymore.
02:20:48.000And then if you're telling a lot of them that these men are actually really females and they should just transition, he's like, I think that there's a homophobia attached to that.
02:20:58.000And I'm like, okay, why do you think it is?
02:21:01.000I mean, I absolutely agree with that, because how can you be same-sex attracted if there's no sex?
02:21:07.000Gay people aren't attracted to gender, they're attracted to sex.
02:21:11.000Males who are gay are attracted to men with male bodies.
02:21:16.000They're not attracted to women who are dressing like men or acting like men.
02:21:21.000And lesbians have made this argument for a long time, too, that trans activism, gender identity ideology is homophobic.
02:21:30.000They're like, no, I'm attracted to women.
02:21:35.000I don't want to have sex with a man who claims to be a woman or dresses like a woman.
02:21:40.000And, you know, lesbians have been super bullied in their own communities over this and over being critical of like trans women being welcomed into the lesbian community or being pressured to date trans women.
02:21:53.000And, you know, Abigail Schreier does a bunch of research on...
02:21:57.000You know, young girls are transitioning at really high rates now.
02:22:02.000It used to be that more boys were transitioning.
02:22:04.000Now it's that more girls are transitioning.
02:24:44.000Well, there's also the fear of being ostracized from the group.
02:24:48.000If you don't do that, if you don't go along, if you decided that you're a progressive person, you don't go along with all these things, you can get ostracized to the group or from the group.
02:25:06.000That's what we've polarized the country to where you are either a progressive or you're a Democrat who tolerates progressives or you're a person who doesn't like the Republicans.
02:25:17.000You keep going further and further left.
02:25:20.000And then a lot of those people, they get lumped into this thing and you think of them only as the most radical of the people in the group that are the loudest, which is the hardcore left-wing people, the Antifa type people.
02:25:33.000Whereas on the right, what's the worst thing?
02:25:36.000Would they go to the Proud Boys or some white supremacist organization?
02:25:41.000The January 6th people, that's what people think of.
02:25:43.000So you're either with the January 6th people or you're with Antifa.
02:25:48.000Literally, that's what it is on both sides.
02:25:50.000When you get to the furthest edges, it's equally crazy.
02:25:53.000And it's equally crazy in these predictable, adoptable patterns that these people have to subscribe to if they want to be a part of the ideology, whether it's the right ideology or the left ideology.
02:26:03.000Either you want to throw Molotov cocktails at the State House and call everybody a fascist, or you want to take zip ties to the fucking Capitol building and look for a senator to tie up.
02:26:21.000And I mean, the binary thinking is, I mean, I talked about this a bit earlier, but this is what people are doing to me constantly now that I've been talking about leaving the left or not wanting to identify as left wing.
02:26:35.000Like, I just want to be an independent.
02:27:18.000Yeah, but that's part of your gift is that you have the courage to talk about things that other people find uncomfortable and say them from an honest perspective.
02:27:32.000And then also back it up with like, other people are seeing it too.
02:27:35.000And this is not like, this is something that the warning bells were rang.
02:27:41.000The distinction between males and females is very weird when it plays out in sports and in games and stuff like that.
02:27:49.000I'm always fascinated by that because there's clearly great women athletes and you've got your stories like Jermaine Durand and me knocking out that guy.
02:27:58.000But where it gets weird is other games that don't involve physical strength.
02:28:24.000When we talk about professional billiards, it's almost like it's not as far apart as the outlier female kickboxer knocking out the male kickboxer.
02:30:39.000They want to make the one ball on the side or make the corner ball, and sometimes it's actually better to not hit it too hard.
02:30:46.000But that would be the only thing that would involve physical strength.
02:30:50.000I mean it seems to me that like there's only a few competitions where men and women can compete against one another sort of on an equal playing field and one of those I'm told is like shooting like rifle well that makes sense yeah because you're basically just aiming and breath control I would think if the rifle was heavy that would be an issue but pistols yeah and pistols I mean,
02:31:19.000I don't know, like, if men started identifying as women to compete in figure skating, would that, like, screw over women in figure skating?
02:33:11.000And those ones are easier because they're so obvious.
02:33:15.000I mean, people are obviously still going along with it anyway, but it's very obvious.
02:33:19.000Like when you look at, there's like a photo of Leah Thomas at the swim meet and they're all diving and he's like two feet higher than all the rest of the chicks and immediately farther along.
02:34:15.000Well, that's probably not what transactivists call that, but I think, like, if you're going to, like, read a research paper or something like that, that's what they would call it, or surgeons call it a neovagina.
02:34:23.000But, like, it's a hole that wants to keep closing up because it's not supposed to be there.
02:36:27.000She's a journalist and she'd, you know, she'd reported in like war-torn countries and had been traumatized by witnessing some pretty horrible sexual assault.
02:36:37.000And she had a history of sexual abuse, like she'd been molested as a kid.
02:36:42.000I think that kind of stuff factors into transition too, especially for women.
02:36:46.000It's like naturally you want to get rid of your sexualized body if...
02:36:50.000You, in your brain, are like, well, these men did these things to me when I started developing.
02:36:57.000You want to go back to not being a sexual-looking woman.
02:37:01.000But she, yeah, she decided to be a man, and they did a cover story, and she had this giant, like a giant hole in her thigh kind of thing from where they'd taken the skin and turned it into her fake penis.
02:37:23.000I think that these people are often trying to deal with mental problems in physical or superficial ways.
02:37:31.000And now we live in a culture where a therapist isn't allowed to challenge you.
02:37:35.000If you go to a therapist and you're a young woman and you say, I'm a boy, you have to take an affirmative approach and say, okay, yeah, you're a boy.
02:39:16.000I think we're dealing with many things.
02:39:19.000I think we're dealing with legitimate people that are trans people.
02:39:23.000I don't want to delegitimize anybody, but by the word legitimate I mean there's an issue where they genuinely, from the moment they were born, have felt like a girl and they're confused and they don't understand why.
02:39:35.000And everything else is great and if they transition, they'll be happier.
02:40:23.000How do you know who's getting influenced by culture and society?
02:40:27.000And one of the things about Kristen Beck is that she grew up in a fucking military town, like in a small town in the middle of nowhere in Texas and did not have any transgender ideology.
02:40:37.000So all of the ideas that that was pushed on her or that she was indoctrinated, it doesn't work with her.
02:40:43.000So for sure, there are people out there that are experiencing the same thing that Kristen Beck experienced, the same thing other people experience too, where they feel like they're in the wrong body.
02:40:54.000And then also for sure, there's people like Abigail Schreier is talking about that may be being influenced by the trendiness of it, by the social contagion aspect of it.
02:41:06.000We have to be able to look at all these possibilities and to say that it's binary.
02:41:11.000Either you are a woman or you're a man.
02:41:14.000You recognize yourself as a woman or a man or that's it.
02:41:23.000To make it like that and to avoid all nuance.
02:41:28.000And to avoid all these other possibilities, to avoid this term, gender dysphoria, to avoid all of this information about whether or not this is even effective or if it makes people happy.
02:41:44.000As soon as you can't discuss an issue without being fearful of being attacked by people that don't agree with you, It becomes very problematic because people get scared.
02:42:24.000Yeah, they need something to fight against because they don't really have interesting, nuanced opinions.
02:42:29.000They have, you know, it's bullshit culture.
02:42:32.000This hot take culture, it's a wild culture because there's a whole industry of hot take assholes out there and all they do is live for hot takes.
02:42:40.000And what they don't understand is people lose all faith in your actual opinions on things when you're just doing these hot takes.
02:42:57.000Or crying on the camera about all the harassment that you got as a female journalist online before you went and tried to ruin somebody else's life.
02:43:10.000I mean, that's gotta, like, harm those people who are doing it, too.
02:43:15.000Because imagine if you were under that kind of pressure to continue, like, to come up with hot takes on, like, a variety of subjects every single day.
02:43:23.000Like, I don't write about something unless, like, I've thought about it a lot.
02:44:02.000The idea that a person can decide to eat unhealthy, to let their body balloon to morbid obesity, and you don't discuss that, you don't ever bring that up, you don't tell them that,
02:44:19.000The doctor's not allowed to tell you that?
02:44:20.000There's even doctors that will lie and cite nonsense and pretend that it's healthy to be fat and there's nothing wrong with it and actually dieting is unhealthy.
02:44:43.000They're right, but not to the same numbers.
02:44:45.000They're not even close, unless you're talking about anorexics.
02:44:48.000If you talk about people that are up optimum weight, the amount of, I mean, depending upon their diet, of course, I mean, someone could have a terrible diet and you get a bunch of diseases that are connected to that, but obesity is a rough one.
02:45:01.000That's one of the things we learned during COVID. There was one point in time where 78% of the people who were in the ICU were obese.
02:45:08.000It makes me so angry that they created all this hysteria around COVID and pretended that anybody could just die of COVID in a second when we knew full well that it was old people and fat people,
02:45:39.000Well, I think it was an interesting case because it clearly was more dangerous than anything we've ever experienced before in terms of infectious disease.
02:45:46.000It's clearly more dangerous than the flu, clearly more dangerous than a lot of things.
02:45:50.000But you weren't allowed to look at it like you look at those other things.
02:45:57.000But a lot of people who you didn't think were at risk got fucked up by it too, which is really interesting because I don't think it's even across the board.
02:46:04.000Look, I think there's a high probability that that fucking thing came from a lab.
02:46:08.000And it behaves like something that came from a lab.
02:46:13.000It's wild because there's people that have, you know, no problem with the flu.
02:46:17.000And they got fucking wrecked by COVID. Like, real bad.
02:46:20.000Lungs scarred, decreased oxygen capacity, decreased cardiovascular output, all that stuff.
02:46:26.000I don't know a single person who had, like, a horrible experience with COVID. Oh, I do.
02:46:30.000I tested positive and I had zero symptoms.
02:46:33.000Well, let me tell you about Hamzat Chemayev, okay?
02:46:35.000Because Hamzat Chemayev is one of the best fighters in the UFC, one of the best up-and-coming contenders.
02:46:39.000He was hospitalized multiple times for COVID. He was spitting blood up in his toilet bowl and tried to retire, coughing blood up in the toilet.
02:46:47.000Because of COVID? Because of COVID. Yeah.
02:47:41.000He told me the whole story of how he flew to New York, did press, flew back, drove to Vegas with his family, and then drove back the next day and then tested positive for COVID and was wrecked.
02:47:52.000But just doing that alone, that's six hours of driving, after flying, hanging out with your wife's family, everybody getting together, probably having a couple cocktails, laughing, not getting enough sleep, jet lagged.
02:48:26.000And that is something that happens to people with COVID. So that's what gets the really healthy people.
02:48:32.000So when they bring that up as an example...
02:48:34.000The problem is, if you are a person that has to fly and has to work late and has to do things where you're not getting enough sleep, then it's fucking dangerous.
02:48:43.000Because if you're taxed out and that hits you.
02:48:46.000When it got me, the first day I was like, whoa.
02:52:29.000They say you have T and B cell memory too, which is interesting.
02:52:33.000It's like even if your body doesn't have antibodies, it has memory and it can develop those antibodies if you're coming in contact with it.
02:52:40.000Some of these guys that work here, they didn't catch COVID a second time, but they came in contact with it and then they felt like weird and then it showed up that they had antibodies.
02:52:50.000So like when Mercy would test us, it would show that your levels indicate that something recently, your body tried to fight it off recently.
02:53:12.000If you don't read it in the media or you don't get it anecdotally, what information are you getting other than that?
02:53:18.000For most people, unless you're reading scientific papers.
02:53:22.000Even scientific papers have conflicting information.
02:53:26.000Right, depending upon who's running the study and what the parameters of the study were, and especially if they went into the study with a bias and they tried to accomplish a certain thing.
02:55:06.000We are exposed to low levels of radiation when we fly.
02:55:09.000You'd be exposed to about 0.035 MSV, 3.5 MREM of cosmic radiation if you were to fly within the United States from the East Coast to the West Coast.
02:55:21.000This amount of radiation is less than the amount of radiation we receive from one chest x-ray.
03:01:03.000You would think, but it's obviously not true, that that's because, like, comedy can't be woke, because how do you make jokes if everything's supposed to be woke?
03:01:14.000I feel like it was short-lived, because I feel like the unwoking of comedy came around pretty fast.
03:01:20.000Like, I feel like there was, like, a period of time when they were trying to, like, make woke comedy happen, and then people like Ricky Gervais and, like, Dave Chappelle were like, nah...
03:01:30.000Well, first of all, Ricky Gervais' new shit is fucking hilarious.
03:02:24.000And it's like, I'm willing to have a reasonable conversation with anybody about any subject, but if you want to pretend that jokes aren't jokes, we can't talk.
03:02:35.000You can't say that you can't joke about things.
03:02:37.000You can't say that that Ricky Gervais stuff is offensive.
03:02:44.000I mean, I feel sort of like jokes and humor trump all.
03:02:47.000Like, if it's funny, then I'm like, okay, but it's funny.
03:02:50.000So, yeah, if it works, like, I, yeah, I guess I just, I think that there's some people who actually, I really don't like these people, who actually don't have a sense of humor.
03:03:26.000Because if they want to tell you what to do, you know, and you are joking around about something, they're like, no, you can't joke around about that.
03:03:33.000And they'll tell you, this is off limits for comedy.
03:03:36.000And then they want to fucking protest.
03:03:53.000Like I'm so weirded out by this culture where people think that they are entitled to control other people, what other people think, what other people say, what other people joke about.
03:04:03.000And I don't understand the desire to do that either.
03:04:29.000But it's just a natural human trait, a natural human characteristic, whether it's through religion or through culture, to get people to adhere to the boundaries that you've set for your group.
03:04:40.000And if someone tries to stray outside those boundaries and joke about things or do something or say something or have some sort of an opinion that's forbidden...
03:04:49.000And you want to signal that you're part of the in-group, which is tribalism also, right?
03:04:54.000So you're like, I'm part of this group, so I believe this, so I won't tolerate this.