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00:01:25.000It was just, you would go into the gym, and it was just, well, we started at Master Totties, so there was a couple girls there that really liked to fight, but they liked to more look good and the attention that fighting came from.
00:05:04.000And a lot of people were like, oh, this card sucks.
00:05:07.000I'm like, because of those two fights?
00:05:09.000You think the card sucks because two super ultra-competitive women fights that were insane and one of them was a spinning back fist knockout?
00:06:17.000This past one was the first one I did.
00:06:19.000What do you think happens there, like, with, like, the, you know, when they're just, you know, nobody's trying to even, like, make, they're just stuttering in front of each other.
00:06:44.000But he was saying something different than the rest of the corner was saying.
00:06:51.000It's like kind of when you're going to spar and then you just don't really want to be there or something and you're not trying to, I don't know, it just isn't flowing the chemistries off or something.
00:06:59.000I think maybe the game plan was make Karla frustrated and take big risks.
00:07:21.000Like it's, when nothing's happening, this is my number one problem with scoring.
00:07:26.000The way we have scoring with MMA. Either one of those rounds could be a 10-9 round or a round where someone beats someone pretty cleanly and lands a lot of shots could also be a 10-9 round.
00:07:48.000We need something that shouldn't have anything to do with 10-9.
00:07:53.000There should be a bunch of factors, like volume, the amount of strikes, submissions, takedowns, all the damage, all that shit added up, and it should be a totally different...
00:08:04.000I mean, we should have scores like 57, 96 for one round, 120 for another round, that kind of shit.
00:08:12.000Because that's more indicative of what's actually happening in a fight than 10-9.
00:08:42.000It's interesting though, for you to watch these women become superstars now, like when you watch Rhonda, because Rhonda was, it was you and then it was Rhonda, and you most certainly paved the way for someone like Rhonda.
00:10:16.000I tried it and I was like, I cannot believe I used to drink this poison.
00:10:20.000But his dad had asked him, you know, well, I'll sponsor you for your first couple lessons if you promise me to put that down.
00:10:28.000And that night, he put it down and he went and started training with a guy called Master Toddy.
00:10:34.000He's this Thai man who, of course, came from Thailand, but he went over to the UK, taught over there, and then he came to the States and taught people like Angela Parr and John Wayne Parr, who came before me as well,
00:11:59.000And I'm like, I usually lose about like 20 pounds the first two weeks just because I'm like, shit, this fat shaming just sucks.
00:12:06.000But I grew up in my family where, like, I walked in and, you know, my grandmother, my grandmama Maxine, she'd be like, honey, no, you can't look like that on TV. You have to, you know, because she comes from classical days.
00:12:21.000She's like, no, you need to, you know, get in the gym and make sure that your face is good and da-da-da.
00:12:26.000So my family doesn't pull any punches either, and I'm okay with that.
00:12:31.000Like, I think it's, you know, people around you telling you the truth.
00:12:34.000Trying to make you better in life, which is my entire family, every single one of them.
00:12:40.000Yeah, it's a weird time today where you're not supposed to do that anymore.
00:13:06.000Like, if you have an issue with your weight and someone tries to fat shame you, then it works.
00:13:10.000Yeah, well, I mean, obviously, like, it's, like, not a great feeling, but it is a necessary...
00:13:16.000You know somebody cares about you when they're like, hey, you know, like, okay, hey, you're doing this in your life, and it's probably not benefiting you.
00:13:28.000You know, and in my family, the Italian part of my family is just, like, it's funny, because you walk into, like, Thanksgiving, and they're like, okay, you're five pounds up.
00:14:49.000And it's so not how people really are in person.
00:14:53.000I just did a Dallas Fan Expo for three days and there was not one person in that whole Expo that said one thing negative, hateful, there was no...
00:15:05.000Meet people in real life, they're almost always nice.
00:15:08.000I feel like people are so beaten down right now from the internet, from thinking that this is how people are, that they're just beaten down and then they get out and I'm just hugging as many people as possible.
00:17:50.000And of course, True Romance was one of my favorite movies to this day.
00:17:54.000And she's coming after me, so I had posted an article about if there's any time to stand up, it's right now.
00:18:01.000If there's any time to get canceled for something or stand up or have there be some sort of controversy, it's like, right now, standing up for our constitutional rights, I feel like that's a good time to stand.
00:18:11.000And she got on there and said, she said, they wouldn't know about their constitutional rights or something if it slapped them or smacked them in the face.
00:19:45.000So many people are so filled with anxiety already.
00:19:47.000And then you take something like a deadly disease where you have to be locked in your house and then they're going to keep you from working.
00:19:54.000So a lot of people are in full panic because they're going to lose their business.
00:19:58.000How many people are out there check to check?
00:20:04.000And you don't know what to do, and then something comes along, and it's a vaccine, and this vaccine, if you take it, they'll let you go back to work.
00:20:51.000What I think a lot of us feel, I don't know if you feel the same, but for me, I had two grandfathers start a business from scratch and made pretty good names for themselves.
00:21:02.000And I've seen big businesses run up close and personal.
00:21:06.000I find it really hard to believe that the people that shut us down, some of the most intelligent people, far more intelligent than I could ever imagine, didn't know by taking people's jobs away from them, taking their consistency, taking their livelihoods and saying,
00:21:23.000okay, we're going to pay you and keep you home.
00:21:25.000Wasn't going to affect people's addictions.
00:21:28.000Wasn't going to affect people's suicide's purpose.
00:21:32.000Because I'm my best self when I'm working.
00:21:35.000When I'm working, my diet is under control.
00:21:51.000I think it's probably a very small amount of people that Right now, what I'm doing is I have to provide my own work.
00:22:00.000But I've also now got 30 years of learning how to do this now.
00:22:04.000But when you take a bus driver, when you take somebody who's been doing a job for 25 years, And you take that away from them, and you put them at home, and now all of a sudden they're faced with their families, and they're faced with themselves, and it's like a responsibility that you just took away their structure.
00:22:21.000So I just really find it hard to believe that this wasn't on purpose.
00:22:26.000I think you're dealing with Monday morning quarterbacking, and I think people are looking at it and going, how did they not know this, and how did they not know that?
00:22:34.000What do you mean by Monday morning quarterbacking?
00:22:36.000Like pretending you would have done things differently because you would have been smarter on Sunday.
00:22:42.000Like you would have seen it coming and you would have done this.
00:22:45.000I think you're giving these people way too much credit.
00:22:48.000Smart people don't want to be in government.
00:22:51.000Smart people want to be CEOs of giant companies that make shitloads of cash.
00:22:56.000Corrupt people who use government to funnel money into their own accounts, whether it's through these giant fees they get paid in these speaking engagements, or whether it's through insider trading, because they know about laws and bills that are going to be passed that are going to affect the stock market,
00:23:41.000I think they were in a panic, and I think they shut everyone down, and I think they like controlling people and telling people what to do, and they didn't want to give up control.
00:25:41.000I don't know how many government officials became billionaires, but a lot of humans that were connected to the government and connected to the decisions that were made did become billionaires.
00:25:51.000Everybody's husbands, that works for them.
00:25:53.000Well, it's also just like a lot of people that were working in these pharmaceutical companies that produced these vaccines, they made enormous amounts of profit.
00:26:18.000I don't think they would release a virus that kills millions of people on purpose.
00:26:24.000I don't think that they would crush the economy on purpose.
00:26:28.000I think there was a lot of poor decision making that was done.
00:26:31.000First of all, a lot of it was done with the idea that it has to seem like you're doing something because you are in government and you are a person that's in charge.
00:27:42.000You go over to your friend's house, you start drinking, you're hanging out.
00:27:45.000One buddy likes to go to the store, he goes to the store, he talks to the grocer, the grocer's got COVID. You come home, you give it to grandma, grandma dies.
00:27:52.000It's like, that's the reality of people.
00:27:54.000They go around, they do different things, and that's why people are like, Wear a mask!
00:27:58.000They're screaming like you're gonna stop this.
00:28:54.000I packed up all my stuff, because I didn't know if we were going to get stuck in California.
00:28:58.000I didn't want to get stuck away from my family, so I packed up all my stuff, I headed to Las Vegas, I stayed with my mom, and every time she came in the door I was like, wipe your shoes!
00:29:13.000And then my stepdad would go out and I'm like, here's your mask, here's your mask.
00:29:17.000And I was wiping down all the groceries and then I got so crazy into it that I was like, I got like a toolbox out of the garage and I was like, I just snapped.
00:31:16.000No, I think the Chinese lab in which they did it in Wuhan was so bad, they were cited for safety violations as recently as I think 2018. I think the real question is, why were they doing this kind of research?
00:31:31.000And the people that understand the research that they were doing, Like, Barack Obama stopped that stuff from happening in 2014. He put the kibosh on that back then.
00:31:42.000When the Trump administration was kind of chaotic, that's when they started it all up again.
00:31:58.000These guys, the emails alone that were transferred back and forth from Peter Daszak and Anthony Fauci and all these people that were involved in the funding of this research, just the way they were framing it and the way they were disparaging legitimate scientists and legitimate doctors that were not lockstep in agreement with them,
00:32:30.000And not only that, this should be a thing.
00:32:33.000Like, Rand Paul's the only one who calls him out on it.
00:32:35.000And he does it on a regular basis, and he's 100% correct in the things that he's saying about the funding of this particular type of research.
00:32:45.000Because when you see Fauci say that it's not gain-of-function research, but that's not true, because the NIH says it's gain-of-function research.
00:33:31.000Because these people, they have massive amounts of power to decide who gets funded, what labs get funded, and no one wants to step out of line.
00:33:39.000There's a crazy fucking book that I'm in the middle of that's a very controversial book.
00:33:44.000And it was one of those books, I'm like, God, do I want to get into this?
00:34:09.000And I was like, I don't know if you got that text message, but I'm like, oh, it was one of those idiots that texted him saying you should have the so-and-so on your podcast.
00:34:35.000So, you know, she was fully vaccinated and has publicly said, you know, like while Robert was getting in trouble, she's like, I do not have the same beliefs as my husband, you know?
00:35:13.000But Robert, I got on the phone with him and I was like, you know, I'm afraid our union, SAG-Africa union, is going to mandate these vaccines.
00:35:39.000They still are extending that mandate till mid-July.
00:35:43.000With all the information about it being safe and effective and with all of that stuff coming out, How are they still mandating this in anything?
00:35:52.000I think that the people that are mandating it need to be made an example out of.
00:36:13.000I don't look at it in terms of the answer that I want to be correct.
00:36:17.000I don't look at it like, oh, I'm suspicious because I go, well, what are the actual facts and why would people do this and why would people do that?
00:36:27.000When you're the head of a union and you have something like a national public crisis, a national public health crisis, You have to show that you are taking the correct actions.
00:36:38.000The general belief of the public is the correct action is to be vaccinated.
00:36:43.000If you are gonna step outside of that and say, we're gonna take a rebellious position, and we're not gonna mandate that people be vaccinated, but we are gonna mandate that people have to work.
00:36:55.000We're going to put them in these sets and we're going to have them around people, but the general consensus is for most people think that you're supposed to be vaccinated, right?
00:37:04.000I would say more than 60% of the population thinks you should be vaccinated.
00:37:09.000When these people are on the set with these people that That's not true.
00:37:39.000Which is why I don't think that 60% of the population still think it needs to be right.
00:37:43.000I think most people are not aware of all this.
00:38:44.000I feel like when I see them still mandating something that all of these documents have come out and said, what is it, 13%, 14% effective, all of these people are still getting COVID-19.
00:38:58.000I just feel like to push on and force people to get this vaccine that they don't believe in, Is in my just simple mind, it just seems like an abuse of power to kind of weed out the people that will comply and weed out the people that won't comply.
00:39:18.000And so that now, you know, we don't have such like, you know, as big of a problem.
00:39:24.000I think there's an element of that, but I think the element of that comes after the decisions were already made.
00:39:32.000The decisions were made, in my opinion, originally to try to protect the public health, and then it became a thing where there is a tremendous amount of money that's being funneled into various organizations, into various politicians, into campaign funds,
00:39:48.000into all these different things, and it's by these enormous pharmaceutical companies.
00:39:53.000I don't think that it wasn't like when Trump came out and said, you know, we're going to shut the world down for a second.
00:40:02.000I feel like that was a really hard decision because if he didn't, then they would have ammunition on him for a lifetime and it would have just been like...
00:40:13.000I mean, I feel like that was a really hard decision for...
00:40:15.000Well, it's a hard decision, period, because you don't know what to do.
00:40:17.000Yeah, so it's like the two weeks to slow the spread, but now in looking back at the lockdowns, looking back at the masks, looking back at the forced vaccinations, I feel like anybody who's enforcing it moving forward is absolutely criminal.
00:41:46.000So it's kind of getting weaker, right?
00:41:50.000Bill Gates had said this, which the way he said it, I think he phrased it in a clumsy way, which, by the way, I can relate to because I do that every day.
00:41:57.000But he said when he was talking about it that unfortunately...
00:42:03.000Omicron works better than the vaccine at protecting people.
00:43:15.000So you have B cell and T cell memory that protect you somewhat.
00:43:20.000But when your body tries to react and produce antibodies for that original strain, that original strain's not around anymore.
00:43:27.000And then this Omicron sneaks in through the door because you were like, where is COVID? We're looking for it out here, and this Omicron COVID just sneaks right in the back door, and people get really sick.
00:43:39.000So this is the speculation why some people get really sick that are vaccinated with Omicron, whereas a lot of people that are not vaccinated that get Omicron aren't getting as sick.
00:44:45.000And in my head, you know, it's like, I can't, until I'm doing everything I possibly can to take care of myself and be responsible for my health, who am I going to be to be like, hey, you have to take, this is what I would take, I would take these antibiotics, you have to take these antibiotics, you know?
00:45:01.000And, you know, I have a very close friend of mine who is still masking and is still doing all this, and she says, you know, because she's about, you know, 300 pounds, And she's like, well, I'm fat, so I should be able to, I have to protect myself and protect my own.
00:45:16.000And I'm like, well, I mean, if you want to feel better, there's other places to do that, you know?
00:47:23.000But I don't think he likes too much cushion, so I'm over-cushioning right now.
00:47:29.000But I think that's where we kind of go wrong.
00:47:33.000I don't think that people aren't beautiful if they have extra weight on themselves.
00:47:38.000I think that people have different tastes.
00:47:42.000People definitely have different tastes.
00:47:44.000But relatively speaking, this is very generally speaking.
00:47:49.000People are generally more attracted to people who are physically healthy because sexual attraction is a lot about who can you breed with.
00:47:58.000And if you see someone and they're built like a bowling ball and they're just sitting there eating cake all day, generally speaking, that is not a good person to breed with.
00:48:08.000Yeah, so like the natural instincts of something.
00:48:12.000Well, in a world where we're not really working off of common sense or natural anything, I think that maybe that's getting a little bit skewed, and maybe people are finding themselves attracted to things that they normally wouldn't have been attracted to.
00:48:25.000There's a little of that, but it's also social media.
00:48:27.000People pretend that they like things because it makes them seem more virtuous.
00:48:32.000They pretend that if you aren't attracted to someone who's overweight, then you're ableist or you're sizest.
00:48:40.000Although they come up with terms for why they shouldn't go to the gym.
00:48:43.000You know there's there's a lot of that going on where there's just people reinforcing other people's really bad ideas and then I mean but and then there's maybe a different take on Just beauty is kind of in the eye of the beholder a little bit more definitely is yeah No, it definitely is like I know a girl and she likes really skinny guys look like they have Like heroin problems.
00:49:14.000I see guys that are attracted to women where you have to see the ribs.
00:49:17.000And there's like, you know, the guys that I attract are probably more the guys that are like, oh, you could push her up against the wall and she's not going to break.
00:53:24.000And I've been a very, you know, I mean, if you look through every single post on my, you know, Twitter account, I mean, I watch movies all the time on the Holocaust and I'm really, you know, my heart, I'm like the one that's bawling at these stories.
00:55:31.000You know, so I was like, this is aggressive.
00:55:33.000And I was like, okay, I'm going to put something in my bio that, like, you know, like, I didn't know why people were putting this in their bio.
00:56:08.000And the publicists were like, well, if you hadn't put slashes in between and if you would have added a word, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
00:57:01.000There's a thing that's going on where when people start telling someone that looks like me to put your pronoun in your Twitter bio, like, hey, no.
00:57:26.000And if I was, I would fucking tell you.
00:57:28.000If I felt like I was a woman, I'd let you know.
00:57:30.000And until then, shut the fuck up and just leave me alone.
00:57:33.000It's like we're dealing with the smallest percentage of a population.
00:57:38.000And then, you know, that gets exaggerated in terms of, like, the response it gets from the general public because it seems to be something that if you're a compassionate, kind, caring person, this is what you support.
00:57:50.000I support everybody in every way until you start telling me what to do.
00:58:30.000But when 2020 came around, I knew that after the devastation of what had happened with COVID and the lockdowns and all of that, I wanted to make sure we had a strong leader that was going to be able to get this economy back.
00:58:44.000Because once again, it's like work makes people healthier.
00:58:59.000So I wanted to make sure that I was going to actually vote in 2020. But I never told, I wasn't like, you know, you know all the celebrities that like took off their clothes and did these campaigns and they're like, you know, vote for who we're voting for and they're like doing these naked campaigns and nobody asked for.
00:59:14.000And it was like, and they're all letting you know very much so that they're voting Democrat and they're voting for Biden and all this.
00:59:21.000And I'm like, all I did, this is the only thing I did, I put a sticker on my hand that says I voted.
00:59:48.000But I wasn't that person, though, that was like...
00:59:51.000But I didn't like how they were being treated because they were passionate about who they were voting for, just because they were so passionate about that, as well as these people...
01:00:02.000The problem is the way Trump behaves makes the people who oppose him feel like they're very justified in their anger because he fights people.
01:00:14.000If you say something that he opposes, he goes after you.
01:00:49.000What has Joe Biden said in his past that Trump hasn't said?
01:00:53.000I mean, if you look through all of Joe Biden's history, and I was like, and to be honest, that three years of very positive economy that he was in charge, I would be a bit pissed off if I was him too.
01:01:03.000They didn't give him a fair shake in the news to save his life.
01:01:06.000I mean, the CNN hoax and the Russian hoax and all of that just on top of him and You know, they're just as guilty as Trump was as dividing the media.
01:01:17.000And now they're kind of breaking down and going to people like you and going elsewhere.
01:01:22.000And the media is now suffering, which as they should, because they're just as guilty as Trump.
01:01:27.000Well, they have a problem and they have an outrage economy.
01:01:52.000And one of the big things that this guy's saying is that he wants to bring back the objective news journalism instead of editorializing things.
01:02:04.000Instead of commentary, instead of opinion, instead of all this bullshit that you get from these Brian Stelter, Don Lemon type characters.
01:02:12.000That's the reason why people don't want to listen to CNN. If CNN just stuck with subjects that are important to the world and to the American people, here's the problem with the shipping crisis.
01:02:26.000Here's what we know about this attack on this person.
01:02:30.000Here's what we know about this oil leak.
01:02:32.000That kind of shit is what people go to CNN for.
01:02:35.000They don't go to CNN to listen to the opinions of dorks.
01:02:38.000And that's what they were trying to sell.
01:02:40.000And that's why their credibility kept dropping.
01:02:43.000And then when they were attacking other people, it's just, God, it's so transparent what you guys are doing.
01:02:48.000You're little fucking watchdogs for the pharmaceutical industry, which is, they're being directed.
01:02:54.000If you find out that, one of the things we found out when we were doing this podcast is 75% of all television ads are from pharmaceutical drug companies.
01:03:13.000And this is the reason why they frame things the way they do.
01:03:16.000This is the reason why they cover stories the way they do.
01:03:19.000This is the reason why they never talk about adverse events, adverse side effects.
01:03:25.000They never talk about the VAERS reports and the under-reporting.
01:03:28.000They never talk about any of that shit.
01:03:29.000They never talk about when people who are famous people who have a horrible reaction to vaccine, whether they die or have strokes or whatever.
01:04:13.000I was all a big fan of modern medicine, and I still am.
01:04:17.000I'm not absolutely ridiculous when it comes to any of it, but I'm trying to figure out, I don't want to take it.
01:04:22.000I'm becoming one of those people where I'm like, okay, I don't want to take Tylenol if I don't need Tylenol just because I have a little headache, whereas before I was like, pop a Tylenol in there.
01:04:42.000This woman got COVID. We kind of need to break it down, right?
01:04:44.000We need to kind of go back to water, healthy eating, kind of break ourselves back down, put away the things that we're using that is hurting us, and try to kind of get our systems clean, and then we can really see what the big problems are,
01:05:00.000and then we can kind of figure out how to get healthier from there, I think.
01:06:17.000So this is the Tylenol and numerous brands and products, including acetaminophen, now the most common cause of acute liver failure in the United States.
01:06:42.000Toxic dose, 10 grams or 200 milligrams per kilogram as a single ingestion over a 24-hour period or 6 grams or 150 milligrams per kilogram per 24-hour period for two days.
01:07:00.000200 milligrams per kilogram in healthy children, one to six years of age.
01:07:47.000No, like I started after, you know, after all of this vaccine and like, you know, all this stuff, I've been like, okay, do I really need that?
01:08:10.000And now it's like, I have a headache, you know, drink more water, or I'm not feeling good, and maybe it's, you know, what did I eat yesterday?
01:11:29.000Dean is a coach at ATT, and he used to fight for the UFC, and he comes in in big fights.
01:11:38.000He'll be the guy that we go to occasionally, like about strategy, we'll ask him a question, and he'll say, like, what year he has to do this, and this and that, and what Glover's doing great is this, and when this comes up, the reason why it's getting through is because of that.
01:12:07.000Today, we're making a dish from the Great Depression back in 1999 when me, Lorenzo, and Frank bought the UFC. You're welcome, motherf***er.
01:12:18.000I got my chef, your fake-ass Gordon Ramsay, to help me out.
01:13:26.000But I just think that if you showed up at a party with a Suck It Saturday shirt on, with a bald cap and a shirt that's too small, only the deep, deep insiders would be like, dude, that's a costume.
01:13:40.000I'm happy to be a part of that group now because I'm going to follow him on Instagram.
01:13:46.000Dana, he was actually one of the people, randomly enough, that reached out to me when I got cancelled and sent me a text message.
01:13:56.000He's like, you have to get a hold of Ben Shapiro.
01:13:58.000And this is coming from the last time me and Dana spoke.
01:14:01.000It was over controversy of me coming back and having a fight.
01:14:07.000So, it was a surprise text, and he was like, hey, it was right when I was canceled, and he was like, Gina, you have to get a hold of Ben Shapiro.
01:14:15.000And Dana was very instrumental, and I was like, wow, this is so...
01:14:20.000It's so random, the people that come out of the woodwork, when you're completely tossed to the side, and then you really get to see people for who they are, I think.
01:16:59.000Look, I am beep-bopping, booping people and losing jobs, okay?
01:17:02.000So the second I get real serious about something...
01:17:05.000If you were at a bar and there's a video of you trying to walk, excuse me, and you're walking and some bitch gets in your face, Fuck you, you fucking, fucking whore!
01:17:16.000And you just crack her with an elbow and flatline her, people would think it was amazing.
01:17:46.000No, I wasn't training until I was, you know, I'm sure I did get into a couple of fights after I started training, but they had started to like go away by that time.
01:17:54.000So you're getting in like unskillful training fights?
01:17:56.000No, like before, yeah, before it wasn't with any training.
01:18:49.000Yeah, but then it wasn't like that, so we would go out and I'd just be sitting there doing nothing and some, it's always like the meanest, baddest bitch in the room would come up and be like, you know, you're looking at my boyfriend and I'd be like, you have a boyfriend?
01:19:08.000And then, like, next, like, cut to in the parking lot, you know, like, wearing full white one time, I was wearing a white outfit, and I, like, got in this massive fight, and I mounted her and did all of that, and, you know, didn't even know what that was at the time, and then I come back in,
01:19:23.000my hair is a fro, and I've got, like, all of this asphalt down my, you know, nice white clothes, and I just, I don't know why it would always end up like that, but Me and Kevin jumped at a house party.
01:19:35.000So it probably wasn't like a big surprise to some people that you went on to become an MMA fighter.
01:19:41.000My family just tried to make it not happen.
01:19:45.000So my family, they're kind of well-known in Nevada.
01:19:52.000When I had my first professional fight in MMA against Leticia Espistova, she didn't have any business being in there, but they didn't know that.
01:20:00.000It was the first sanctioned fight in Las Vegas for women.
01:20:03.000And I had my Papa Don and my dad, who used to be on the Athletic Commission back then.
01:20:09.000Is Papa Don, is that like your grandpa?
01:20:39.000And so all of them for the rest of my fight career would come up and be like, hey, remember when we stood up against your family and we told them?
01:20:46.000And eventually my dad did come around.
01:21:20.000I think after they saw the positive impact that it had on my life, then they were like, oh, this is way better than her faking going to college.
01:21:29.000And so I think that's when, you know, It's really hard, and I'm sure you know, it's really hard to watch people that you love fight.
01:21:41.000I'm so glad Kevin doesn't fight anymore.
01:21:45.000Cowboy Cerrone was in my movie recently, Terror on the Prairie, and it was going to be hard to watch him fight because you just care so much.
01:21:52.000And it's hard to watch people you love fight.
01:21:56.000My mom would like, you know, take a Xanax, you know, and then she gave, one time she gave Kevin like a Xanax and then she gave him another one.
01:22:05.000So by the end, she's going to kill me for telling you this.
01:22:08.000By the end, you just see like Kevin was just like, like barely able to hold up his head.
01:22:13.000He was like, and I was like, yay, I won.
01:24:48.000People love the fact that comics are still doing real comedy.
01:24:52.000But it was harder and harder to do it in LA because there were so many people that were just like mediocre comedians that were attacking good comics for telling daring jokes and pretending that jokes were in fact statements that you would make like on an affidavit or something.
01:25:09.000Like pretending these people aren't just joking around.
01:25:11.000And then it became, you know, this, This weird time where it's like people were digging their heels in the sand and they were dividing themselves from other people and attacking other comics.
01:25:27.000It's like this weird thing infected every avenue of being able to have freedom of thought, which comics are, I feel like they're the freest thinkers ever, right?
01:25:39.000I feel like comedians are that avenue of like, hey, let's break free and think about things differently and joke about it.
01:25:46.000And to not see those people stand up and kind of push against the cancel culture and push against the norm was really heartbreaking.
01:25:56.000And as well as like rappers, like where was our rappers and where was our artists and our musicians at this time?
01:26:02.000I feel like they all went quiet on us.
01:26:17.000So there was like this path that everybody thought they were supposed to be on, you know?
01:26:21.000And also it's like, it takes a lot of time to be actually informed.
01:26:26.000To really be informed about what's going on.
01:26:29.000When I start telling people about the history of the pharmaceutical companies and judgments against them, and when you find out that they knew that certain drugs were going to have adverse reactions but they were going to be very profitable, so they released them anyway and then they were fined billions of dollars and killed thousands and thousands of people directly because of their decisions.
01:27:49.000It's going to be like everything else.
01:27:51.000It's going to be like COVID. I'm just going to stock up in as much whiskey as possible and be on a ranch in Montana is what I'm going to do.
01:28:37.000And so there was like people in vans and there was people Following me to places, and I was just very exposed, which was very dangerous of Disney to have made the comment they did.
01:30:08.000And for this moment in time, I will definitely be voting a certain way because these people are making sense.
01:30:15.000The second those people decide that they want a power trip and not make any sense, I promise you I'll be the first one that says, this doesn't make any sense.
01:30:22.000And I feel like that makes me somewhere in the middle.
01:31:15.000I couldn't talk to anybody on the phone.
01:31:17.000I just barely got Ben Shapiro on the phone that night, but I was still kind of like, what?
01:31:22.000Trying to hear everything he says, and everything past that had to be over text message, and I couldn't talk to my family.
01:31:29.000And so we got into the ear doctor, and...
01:31:33.000It's like a massive waiting room, and I'm like, can't hear myself say my name, you know?
01:31:37.000So I'm just like sliding over, and I don't want to say my name because I'm trending on Twitter, and I'm like, just a packed room of people.
01:33:04.000So I've got an appointment with the specialist.
01:33:06.000I went into the quick care and there was a sweet, sweet little like gay guy who's just like, oh honey, and I could see his, I could, you know, all the, oh honey, it's okay.
01:38:02.000He was like, and I've got Gina Crono, and it's going to be against Ron Rousey, and he started pumping it out on Twitter, and he pumped it out in the interviews, and I was like, whoa, whoa, like, calm down, like...
01:38:14.000First of all, I don't even know who I'm going to train with.
01:38:16.000So now you've made it harder for me to walk into a gym and just get comfortable with people because now everybody knows I'm looking for a team.
01:39:09.000I'm cool I'm gonna go and then I think another movie came up and I was like sweet I'll just go do this movie then you know like I'm not gonna I don't need to be disrespected you know so that's that's how that story went.
01:39:18.000Do you didn't have any inclination to have another fight you just wanted to have the Ronda Rousey fight?
01:39:24.000I mean, I think when you fight, you are constantly fighting.
01:40:19.000When she said that, I'm like, you know, I'm so focused on my dreams in moviemaking, but I also...
01:40:26.000I guess you just never lose that want to do it.
01:40:31.000And for me, I've been looking for something to train for to get my body back and where I want it to be.
01:40:38.000And so there's just been kind of this little thing on my shoulders like, well, you could train and you could get yourself where you want to be and use that as your focus for all that.
01:41:09.000So we got a new Mar, used the money from the house that we got, and bought an RV. And then we went across thinking that we were going to go shoot this movie called White Knuckle in Nashville.
01:41:21.000Well, once I got to Nashville, they were like, you know, are you willing to play by the SAG rules and all of this?
01:41:29.000And they said, basically, if SAG mandated the vaccines while we were shooting white knuckle, then anybody who wasn't vaccinated would have to get vaccinated.
01:42:20.000So that's what ended me up in an RV. Now I'm kind of going in between places because I fell in love with Montana and I really want to end up there.
01:43:02.000But they'll get on their horse, they'll go on a camping trip, they'll go hunting, they'll make their own stuff, they barter in between neighbors, and I'm like, I think that's really sexy.
01:43:20.000But I also want to direct and I also want to give people like Cowboy Cerrone or like people that I can see have that magical something and I want to continue making art and movies.
01:43:30.000So this movie Terror on the Prairie, this Daily Wire movie, has it been released yet?
01:44:42.000And so they had to, like, you know, because I'm a producer on this movie, they had all of the auditions of all the guys come in, and, you know, we're watching all their tapes, and I feel like Hollywood kind of gets a little too rehearsed, which is uninteresting.
01:47:37.000Even though it's not a political movie, it's in kind of a political category because it's on the Daily Wire.
01:47:42.000I think, once again, I think I'm at the beginning of something.
01:47:47.000Just with the female fighting, I was at the beginning of something.
01:47:50.000And people didn't take it seriously, and then all of a sudden we're creeping up and getting, you know, all of a sudden now look at female fighting, right?
01:47:57.000So that is a similar feeling that I have here.
01:48:59.000However that comes about, I have gotten a bunch of offers to be in Some films but I just don't have the energy to do things that I'm not passionate about that I don't believe in like the You know, I don't believe in the story I don't believe I it doing independent movies or any movie or any show takes so much work and so much out of you you have to be ready to sit down with that job for you know a year and a half two years and I just can't give myself and exhaust myself
01:49:29.000like that unless I'm obsessed with it.
01:49:32.000And once I'm obsessed with it, then it'll be amazing.
01:49:35.000So has this slowed down the offers that you're getting, the being canceled out of The Mandalorian?
01:49:42.000Well, as soon as I got canceled, as soon as Disney put out that, I feel like that very awful statement, that's defamation, if anything.
01:49:52.000That same day, my UTA, my agency, dropped me.
01:51:23.000I mean, Chris Pratt, but other than him, who's successful that's not on board with all that shit?
01:51:28.000I mean, a lot of people now come up to me.
01:51:31.000There's not actually anybody that didn't see what happened to me and comes up to me in person in this business and out that has been like, yeah, that was cool.
01:51:38.000They just say, man, you got railroaded and we're really sorry.
01:52:32.000It's a first-time vote, and I just think that, you know, like, we should all be okay with, you know, when you sign on to be an actress, you don't sign your rights away, and I feel like that's when you feel like your country is going through a really dark phase of cancel culture that's going to lead to a social credit system that's going to lead to,
01:52:49.000you know, people undeservingly losing their jobs and pressure and real bullying, then I feel like it's okay to say something.
01:53:46.00022-year-old people did not freak out too much about COVID. 22-year-old gym rats were not freaking out about COVID. Those are the least vulnerable.
01:53:57.000And I still don't think, like, you know, Whoopi Goldberg came out and said something super aggressive on The View about the Holocaust and about Jewish people, and it was, like, far more, like, crazy aggressive than anything.
01:55:16.000But I also think, geez, man, what they were coming after him with, if he didn't say the aggressive stuff that he did, did he even have a chance in hell of surviving that?
01:55:28.000When you get to a certain point, I think...
01:55:32.000There's a problem in this country when you can't have differing opinions.
01:55:38.000We have to be able to debate and have differing opinions.
01:55:42.000But someone like Trump is so polarizing that he makes having an opinion that's different If you have an opinion that's different than what the Democrats have or left-wing people have, you're connected to Trump.
01:57:25.000No, I'm kind of just rolling solo for a little bit.
01:57:28.000I'm a little bit scarred from the system.
01:57:30.000I do think it would be nice to find somebody to kind of field some of these calls, but for right now, I'm really focused on creating and owning content myself.
01:57:42.000You know, so things have a way of working themselves out.
01:58:46.000I like to put out things that a lot of the media would put on me what they thought I meant by it.
01:58:52.000When in reality, I mean, because they wrote that up as, you know, conservatives are, she's comparing herself to, she's comparing conservatives to the Jewish people in the Holocaust.
02:01:41.000And they did the most—you know, and here's—so the truckers went out, and it was obviously like they had bouncy, jumpy gyms, and they had their children out, and it was obvious that they weren't going to burn down any cities, right?
02:01:51.000And I think that that's where I kind of, like, I learned something with the protests that were happening with the BLM riots and everything.
02:02:00.000I was like, oh, okay, so this is why they do that.
02:02:03.000This is why this happens, is to put the fear of God in the government, right?
02:02:35.000Not to say that I would ever encourage that, but I understand why.
02:02:39.000Because after just looking at the trucker movement and how disrespected they got, it was like, dude, if they were a bigger threat down there, that wouldn't have been the case.
02:03:10.000If you really think that no one should have a gun, then maybe your guard shouldn't have guns either.
02:03:15.000And by the way, criminals are still going to have the guns, but your guards won't.
02:03:18.000Because that's how it goes when you change laws like that.
02:03:21.000You would want to stop mass shootings.
02:03:24.000Everybody wants to stop mass shootings.
02:03:26.000You want to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people.
02:03:28.000Everybody wants to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people.
02:03:32.000But when you're doing a thing because you think that the ideology that you support wants to do that thing, whether or not it's rational or reasonable, like if you say everyone has to give their guns up, that's it.
02:04:15.000Look, it's a scary time for this country, but through scary times is how we sort things out and figure out what we should and shouldn't be doing.
02:04:21.000And so I feel like, what should we do then?
02:04:24.000We should have definitely more conversations like this, but what else can we do?
02:04:27.000Because I feel like I'm always complaining.
02:04:35.000Through social media and through what's going on here, but through brave people, you know, through brave people like yourself, people that have to have these conversations, maybe forced into these conversations.
02:04:46.000If Elon Musk buys Twitter, that will have a massive impact.
02:05:54.000There's an ideological box that you can operate in where you can say some pretty fucking horrendous shit, but if you say horrendous shit to people that you think are against trans rights, you could say that.
02:06:04.000If you say horrendous shit to people that are anti-vaccine, you're allowed to say that.
02:06:28.000Show up to set and absolutely give every part of me to that movie or that show and with my full heart, you know.
02:06:36.000Meanwhile, I've got co-stars that aren't even allowed to come to set unless they have two security guards.
02:06:41.000I mean, the shit I've seen, like, I'm a good person to work with and because I didn't toe the line in the narrative, I lose everything and I have to start from scratch and Well, you could probably have said that,
02:06:56.000what you said, at any other time in history, and people would have kind of understood what you were doing.
02:10:04.000They're people in government positions.
02:10:05.000If you think about anybody in the intelligence agencies, people that are in the Pentagon, these people, they don't get elected.
02:10:14.000This is not like people you get to vote for.
02:10:16.000You don't get to vote for who decides to take us to...
02:10:22.000Well, you kind of do in that it's a president.
02:10:25.000The president is the commander-in-chief, but the influencers, the people that step in and try to manipulate things to get us to do one thing or the other thing based on the amount of money that they're getting from these special interest groups.
02:10:38.000And so these people, are they heads of corporations?
02:11:39.000That seems like I'm exhausted already just thinking about doing that.
02:11:42.000I think these motherfuckers want to control as much as they can, and I think they would love to have a digital currency that's centralized, a controllable digital currency like they have in China attached to a social credit score.
02:11:55.000So if they have a social credit score system, they can decide, hey, Gina, you're stepping out of line.
02:11:59.000I don't think you should be able to buy a house.
02:12:44.000If they could figure out a way to have a centralized digital currency, they could control people much better.
02:12:50.000Decentralized things, whether it's decentralized podcasts, decentralized cryptocurrency, that kind of stuff scares the shit out of them, because that's kind of like the internet.
02:12:59.000What the internet is, is it changed the battleground because everybody gets to compete.
02:13:05.000Now, what you're seeing that's negative about that is like all these people that comment on Twitter and all these mean people that are posting things and all the weird people ganging up on people.
02:13:17.000This is where human instincts get involved in this revolutionary groundbreaking technology, which is the ability to communicate for everybody instantaneously all around the world.
02:13:29.000So when human beings with our fucking goofy instincts get involved in this, you're going to see chaotic things like that.
02:13:34.000You're going to see gangs, people bullying people.
02:14:38.000Then that makes it to the Hollywood news.
02:14:40.000Once it made it to the Hollywood news, now it's going to make it to the major news.
02:14:44.000And the publicist would tell me, just something ridiculous, like, well, Gina, this Vanity Fair article isn't a great look.
02:14:52.000And then I'd be like, well, let me show you who wrote that.
02:14:55.000And I'd go check the girl's Twitter, and I'd be like, this girl tweeted three weeks before this article came out that she was going to, on purpose, she was like, I don't know what I'm going to do, but I'm going to say something.
02:15:05.000And she's a writer for, I believe it's Vanity Fair.
02:15:08.000I don't know what I'm going to do, but it's going to be great.
02:15:10.000Meaning she's going to sabotage me in some way.
02:15:13.000And so then, the day my episode came out in Mandalorian Season 1, the day my first episode came out, her article comes out.
02:15:20.000And there's this calculated attack coming from Lucasfilm employees, coming from Disney, manipulating children.
02:15:29.000Because they connected you with Trump.
02:16:40.000There's a lot of people out there that are cowards.
02:16:43.000And the moment things get weird, they fall apart.
02:16:45.000It was really strange to see some of these rock stars like Howard Stern and some people that fought so hard during their day about freedoms and stuff and freedom of speech and all of this to kind of turn around and be like, let's send them all to the Mississippi River and drown them or whatever he said.
02:17:37.000As long as I keep working out, keep eating well and taking vitamins and being smart.
02:17:45.000I think I'll evolve my thoughts, but my principles in terms of the way I look at things, of being as brutally honest as possible and as nice as I can be.
02:17:57.000Those things are very important to me.
02:17:59.000The opinions that you have will evolve and change over time because information evolves and changes, you change, your perspective is different, but I'm always going to be honest about my perspective.
02:18:10.000I might be wrong about things, but I'll tell you when I'm wrong.
02:18:14.000If I'm wrong, I always want to come in and go, hey, I fucked up.
02:18:17.000This is wrong and this is why I thought it was that way.
02:18:23.000I will never go out of my way to say things that are untrue, to paint a different picture of the world, or a picture of the world that will satisfy some company I'm working with.
02:19:57.000There's a thing that happens to older women in Hollywood, and I'm just saying this in general.
02:20:03.000I'm not saying this about Patricia Arkep, because there's multiple examples of girls who were really pretty when they were young, and then they get older and they become the most uninformed activists.
02:20:54.000Meanwhile, if you sat down and talked with her, I bet you'd probably have a reasonable conversation if she's not completely crazy.
02:20:59.000I bet we'd have a full bottle of wine and we'd sit there and laugh and we'd have some similar stories and we'd have some very different point of views and it would be fun and I think it would be amazing.
02:21:09.000And if you couldn't, I bet it would be on her.
02:22:51.000I would probably be a lot more sad if I didn't feel like the entire family is just like a crime, like, you know, just completely like sold out America to other countries.
02:25:26.000To find out what she's done to all those people that she kept in jail longer than they were supposed to be released, to use them as cheap labor for the state to fight wildfires.
02:26:46.000They needed somebody that wouldn't overtake Biden, and she's not overtaking him.
02:26:52.000I think Biden, with all of what he's been involved in, and his son, and his brother, I think with all of his—there's no way that there shouldn't have been some sort of massive impeachment trial by now.
02:27:04.000But they're keeping that shit out of the news.
02:27:05.000Because they don't want Kamala to be next, so I think both the Republicans and Democrats were like, we don't want that next, so we're just going to hang out for a couple years.
02:28:38.000That's some misinformation I've been getting then.
02:28:40.000Because I feel like they're looking at Russia and they're like, okay, they're fine.
02:28:45.000We're the ones that are suffering, but they're suffering as well.
02:28:47.000Well, we are suffering, but they're suffering too.
02:28:50.000The sanctions are fucking up the whole world.
02:28:52.000It's a scary thing when the whole world is looking at this one superpower that decides to invade another sovereign country, and no one knows what to do.
02:29:03.000And everyone's worried that China's going to do it to Taiwan.
02:30:11.000But what he's done is stand up for freedoms.
02:30:15.000And people think that this was some weird gaslighting shit that went on where people equated freedom and saying the word freedom to, like, right-wing bigotry and hate is so strange.
02:30:55.000And then all of a sudden those same people are now complaining about January 6th and, you know, it's just really weird.
02:31:03.000It's really weird, like, the back and forth that goes on here.
02:31:06.000So, like, they're burning flags, a bunch of the, like, hey, they're pro-burning flags, and then now they're pro-flag, but then they still associate it with Trumpers, and it's just like...
02:31:16.000Pro flag, if you're like a diversity flag, you have to have a good flag.
02:31:20.000You have to have a pride flag, or you have to have a BLM flag, or you have to have a fucking hammer and sickle.
02:33:48.000I just, I think what happened, you know, I think the timing of everything was really awkward.
02:33:53.000You know, I think that the blinders for me was, I feel like America's heart got broken this last, you know.
02:34:01.000So a lot of us that were so oblivious to what was happening, it's like somebody pulled down the blinders and they went up and it was like, oh my gosh, like I'm not, now I don't trust anything.
02:34:11.000I might be a little bit extreme when it comes to that because I just started paying attention in 2020. And I hate to see fellow Americans, I hate to see their heart broken the way mine's been broken and understanding that, oh my gosh,
02:34:53.000And one of the real problems is the representatives that we have in this country are disingenuous and really bad at it.
02:34:59.000They come across as being these weird, artificial people that talk like this and use hand gestures that everyone else uses because they think it's the way to say it.
02:35:11.000Have you seen this new White House press secretary talking about how the economy is in the best shape it's ever been?
02:37:24.000Trying, I mean, the White House press secretary's relationship with the reporters, the whole thing is just trying to manipulate the view the American public has of each individual problem.
02:38:45.000You know what's going to be really awful and really funny and maybe comedic is you're going to get a bunch of celebrities who are just like, vote Biden!
02:38:52.000You know, taking off their clothes, vote Biden!
02:38:54.000They're going to eventually in five years, they're going to be the ones, you know, telling stories, Hollywood movies about this time.
02:39:01.000I feel like, you know, five years from now, three years from now, hopefully sooner, people are going to tell stories about what really happened during this time.
02:39:11.000Yeah, they're not going to be able to because of the internet, because there's enough independent news sources, you know, whether it's Breaking Points or Kyle Kalinske or Glenn Greenwald or Sam Harris or Brett Weinstein or, you know, this podcast or whoever I get on.
02:39:29.000They're not going to be able to gaslight us, but they're going to try to.
02:39:33.000Look at the Vietnam documentaries on Netflix that come out.
02:40:03.000I mean, maybe they'll go into depth the same way they went into depth with the cigarette companies when they did that film The Insider with Russell Crowe.
02:40:49.000And you've got these people playing these characters involved in these movies and you're like, and you don't see any of the...
02:40:56.000They don't want to see it in front of their face.
02:40:58.000Because people want to be able to sleep at night, and the way you sleep at night is by putting blinders on and pretending that we're all on the right road.
02:41:05.000And when you're involved in a rigid ideology with left-wing progressive Hollywood, most certainly is.
02:41:11.000Left-wing progressive Hollywood is a very rigid ideology that's not well-informed oftentimes.
02:41:17.000You have a few well-informed ones, but there's a lot of these people that are just going with the fucking flow of the river.
02:41:24.000And those people, it takes a long time for them to get weeded out, for them to crash into the rocks, for them to die, for them to move on.
02:41:34.000And then new people come along, and then they can look at the sins of the past, and they go, hey, you know, back in 2020, this is why they were lying about the Pfizer reports.
02:41:43.000This is why they were trying to hide the data.
02:41:58.000So accessing information and the amount of people that are going to keep on being frustrated and keep on...
02:42:03.000I feel like more and more people will start speaking out and be so, like you said, they're going to be so frustrated by this administration by the time it's done.
02:45:42.000Well, and I also, I love, I just want to, I really want to do art and I want to tell stories and I want to keep doing what I'm doing, you know?
02:45:49.000So until like, it's like, let's put a baby in there.
02:45:52.000Then I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna, or let's, let's get a baby.
02:45:56.000Cause there's so many, so many children that.
02:47:21.000I think of them as babies that grew up.
02:47:23.000Because I've been with babies that are now people.
02:47:26.000And I've watched life experiences and education and just all these different environments form and shape their view of the world and their personality.
02:47:46.000I always look at people I don't really like, and I try to imagine them in their kitchen with a dog.
02:47:52.000And if I don't feel bad for that dog, then I'm like, okay, they can have a little leniency.
02:47:57.000But if I feel bad for that dog, then I'm like, fuck that person.
02:48:00.000Well, some people need enemies, right?
02:48:02.000And they create enemies that maybe they don't even have to create because of their unreasonable stance on things, the way they talk to them.
02:48:10.000I'm like, okay, this person got to, you know, maybe she's a producer, and she's been through a really hard history, and I try to look at things reasonably.