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00:00:26.000Yeah, and it's, one of the things I love about it is how well nature is protected here, like Barton Springs, for example, or even like I can't think of another major city I've been to anyone in the world that has a river that goes through the middle of the city that anyone is playing on.
00:00:41.000Austin is the only place I've ever been to where there's a river in the middle of the city and there's people kayaking and paddleboarding and doing all of the things.
00:00:48.000You're like, that's what we should be doing in all of our rivers.
00:01:24.000They had to literally build a pond, and then they had to surround the pond with very specific plants that filter out shit and suck everything up.
00:03:44.000Physically know people like that who got all their money from their parents and they're just batshit crazy and doing blow and wearing $50,000 watches and just...
00:03:53.000And just going for more and more and more and more and more at the expense of everyone and everything else.
00:06:36.000I mean, I've seen some dudes with some, again, Gucci or Fendi things that they're wearing around their belt that are basically like a little purse, essentially.
00:06:42.000When I was a boy, you would get punched in the face for that.
00:08:43.000Amy Sherman Palladino and her husband Dan, they are, and really everybody involved in that show, but they are, I think they're geniuses.
00:08:51.000I think that the way they write, direct, produce so much of that, the two of them, plus lots of other talented people, obviously, that come in and direct and produce and write and all of the incredible actors.
00:09:04.000You watch the show and you're just delighted from the beginning to the end.
00:09:07.000And Rachel and Tony, the whole cast are just so charming and the writing is so smart and it moves and it's funny and you're like, fuck yeah, I'm going to watch this all the time.
00:11:00.000Every single day, at any given moment, they're about to say something, something's about to come out of their mouth, and everyone's going to be like, bah!
00:11:07.000And they're not like, you know, they're regular people.
00:11:11.000That's why they're so funny, because they're not trying to perform.
00:11:14.000They're just actually being themselves, which is funny, and they enjoy being funny.
00:11:19.000And I would also add, though, that how cool of you to give this cool girl a bit of a spotlight to give that and the encouragement that you gave her and that she would take that.
00:13:40.000But there's also I guess that, you know, you have to have some kind of inherent Confidence and also insanity to go up and do stand-up and just, you know, be there working without a net and just literally saying,
00:13:56.000hey, this is me and these are my words that I think are funny.
00:14:02.000So sometimes even very, very, very funny people have put into that spotlight.
00:14:06.000They're not always necessarily totally capable, I guess, but...
00:14:09.000Yeah, well, it's a skill, and you've got to learn how to do it.
00:14:13.000But the thing is, some people really can't ever do it.
00:14:16.000But if you can do that, like what that girl did when she went on stage at my show, or you could do what Mrs. Maisel does in that show, you could actually do stand-up.
00:14:25.000It's just a matter of learning the rest of it.
00:15:23.000I remember watching and rehearsing, like, listening to old Lenny Bruce and, like, just trying to find that rhythm and the cadence and stuff.
00:17:10.000Like, there's a part of me that just wishes that nobody would really care about any of that drama as it unfolds, because it's not pertinent to anybody's life, really, or making the world a better place.
00:17:21.000Who gets paid for the advertising money from that trial?
00:18:09.000We all get to look at these people, literally, you know, like you're saying, they're having a marital dispute.
00:18:16.000We're all getting brought in on their nonsense, not nonsense, their shit, their traumas, all that stuff.
00:18:22.000And everyone just gets to sit around eating popcorn and judging the entire fiasco because it's entertainment now.
00:18:29.000It's like everything is content and everything is entertainment.
00:18:31.000But the more we do that kind of stuff, I do feel like we're pulling farther apart from being able to look at either her or him and say, You both have issues and you both need to work on some shit.
00:18:43.000And, you know, however the jury and all that founded, ultimately I saw little bits and pieces.
00:18:48.000It seemed like he was more in the right than she was.
00:18:58.000I think he wanted the circus because the circus exposes the truth.
00:19:03.000I think that was the only way to expose the truth, was to get her to talk about stuff on camera, and he felt like she would kind of fall apart.
00:20:09.000I don't see him as being innocent in that at all, but Rodney King had just gotten beaten on a freeway, and there was a lot of anger and a lot of pain and frustration.
00:23:05.000But, again, I didn't know what I didn't know.
00:23:07.000And what I didn't know was that my whole life, my parents, my mom and stepdad particularly, were very...
00:23:16.000Psychologically abusive types of people, you know, because they were also super psychologically abused by their respective parents, right?
00:23:25.000But your parents' voice More often than not, in my humble opinion, the voice that you have for yourself, that's you just echoing the way they talked to you.
00:23:34.000So that's why no matter what I may look like or what I've accomplished in my life, and even up to the point at 37, when I moved out here to Austin, I had this whole breakdown.
00:23:43.000Even up to that point, I still felt like I was failing my life entirely.
00:23:47.000I had accomplished so many things and I still felt like I was failing because my self-talk was garbage.
00:24:34.000That's why you've got to go to therapy and have professionals just walk you through like, hey, let's help you see yourself, the world, and how you fit into it more clearly.
00:25:08.000We all want to dehumanize because we've all been taught in other, us and them, our whole lives, our nations, our tribes, our faiths, our whatever.
00:25:16.000I mean, all of these things are, I mean, fuck, man.
00:25:34.000And even if we can build some kind of weird dystopian future, whatever that fucking is, we're all going to be that much more miserable because...
00:25:42.000We're going to save the planet but hate each other in the future while we're on that?
00:25:48.000We got to figure out how to coexist genuinely.
00:25:50.000But I think all of that comes down to, initially, self-love and then being able to love somebody.
00:25:55.000Because now, like, you know, in a plain analogy, you put your own mask on before helping other people with their masks.
00:26:01.000A lot of my life, I was trying to go love everybody.
00:26:03.000I'm just trying to get everybody's, and I'm fucking suffocating and dying and falling on the cabin floor until I went to therapy.
00:26:10.000And I was like, oh shit, I don't even understand how to love myself, how to take care of myself, really like invest in myself.
00:26:17.000I had in moments throughout my life, but if you don't value yourself, you're not going to invest in yourself.
00:26:23.000We always hear those stories about the person who's doing really well, and then they decide to take their own life, and it's so baffling to us.
00:26:41.000Like, we've told the story about this guy Richard Jenny, who's like a really huge comedian in the 80s and 90s, and he wound up killing himself.
00:26:48.000And he always wanted to be like Jim Carrey.
00:27:06.000Like he, for whatever chemical imbalance he had, whatever, you know, bad self-talk, whatever life trauma and whatever he was going through, it was just too much.
00:27:16.000Well, a lot of people, I mean, genuinely a lot of people are programmed with some form of you're not good enough programming, you know?
00:27:24.000I take it, having listened to many of your conversations, you're somebody who has always had a really innate self-worth about you.
00:27:31.000You invest in yourself on a high rate and have been doing it for a really long time.
00:27:36.000Myself, lots of other people I know, we're not.
00:27:40.000If you are still always chasing because nothing is ever ultimately a good enough thing to finally say, I accomplished enough to silence the voices in my head that are telling me I'm not good enough.
00:27:55.000And seemingly, that's probably what happened to him.
00:27:58.000Something happened in his growth, either as a child or even later on as an adult or both or whatever, and that was something that he could never get that monkey off his back.
00:28:09.000I think sometimes people also get in these patterns of thinking like really negative Patterns of thinking and they can't get off the tracks like they're stuck in a groove the way they think about things They're always thinking that everything's going bad for them.
00:28:24.000They're always thinking everything's Everything's gonna be worse in the future and everything's falling apart and they can't get it out of their head They can never go look on the bright side.
00:28:33.000It's like it's almost like it's not available to them anymore Well, but there's a lot of evidence to the fact that that's really neuroplasticity.
00:28:41.000So when traumas or when memories or whenever they, you know, those galvanize in our head, well, now it's like a circuit.
00:28:49.000And so when you like, you know, putting a deeper groove into a record, you're just, the more you think about that same trauma or that same thing that's holding you back, the more it's going to hold you back.
00:30:14.000Meditation, where you're literally thinking about nothing, and prayer, where you're praising God, or thinking about the energy of the universe, or whatever it is.
00:30:23.000What you're doing is you're putting out gratitude, you're putting out this feeling of appreciation, and all of those things are really good ideas.
00:31:15.000But I do think that we are, yes, we are these bags of meat that walk around in this physical world.
00:31:22.000I fully believe that there's a soul in us, and that is something that is other than physical, and whatever that is operates in a slightly different way.
00:31:48.000And then everything else you're doing.
00:31:49.000Like, we're talking about the way these ideas get sort of carved into your mind and how people can help you manipulate your mind to get rid of some of these bad ideas and bad self-talk.
00:32:03.000And it begs the question, like, what are we really?
00:32:07.000Some weird combination of life experiences and noises that we can make with our mouths.
00:32:13.000But at the center of it all, there's a thing.
00:32:17.000We all believe that we're navigating through words and having conversations through language, but what is we?
00:32:25.000We are using this language, but what is that thing?
00:32:53.000The only actual miracle in the universe that we know of right now, this place right here, this little blue dot, spinning ball of mud, that we're all on together...
00:34:26.000I'm like, go follow that account and tell me that we are somehow these horrible creatures that are going and mowing down all these animals when they are ripping each other's limbs off, literally.
00:34:45.000Well, I think that perhaps a lot of other species of animal, just we evolved super fast into whatever our reasoning, the fact that we even ask why, right?
00:35:24.000They're cute and cuddly, but they're selfish little fuckers who don't need you ultimately and will eat your decomposing body the second you die.
00:35:32.000Dogs will wait at least a couple of weeks.
00:35:36.000How the fuck Do we have this amazing species of animal that exists right now that when we met it, it would have fucking killed us as a wolf?
00:36:05.000And I think because of that, you see dogs becoming better versions of themselves that aren't so wild, that don't want to just go and fucking kill.
00:36:13.000Not that that stuff's still not in there somewhat, but this is my theory.
00:36:18.000And I think that the more we would do that...
00:36:20.000I mean, also, have you ever seen videos of...
00:36:25.000Like animal sanctuaries, where they have all kinds of different animals, like owls and cats and tigers and little, you know, like docks and dogs.
00:36:47.000But because they have been taken care of, literally, in this beautiful sanctuary by human beings that are loving them all the time, could that perhaps then spill out and be like, oh, that is how we do that?
00:36:58.000Yeah, but that Siegfried and Roy, didn't that put a damper in that idea?
00:37:04.000Listen, I'm not saying that it's bulletproof, Joe.
00:37:57.000I mean, dude, humans love dogs more than they love other human beings.
00:38:00.000So what are we even fucking talking about?
00:38:03.000How often you're like sitting in an outdoor cafe or something like somebody's walking by with a dog or you're walking your dog and there's somebody sitting there and it's not high.
00:38:41.000Yeah, but if you let them go and they have to fend for themselves, they turn right back into dogs and they get sketchy and they even kill people sometimes.
00:39:12.000Love is definitely that powerful for us.
00:39:14.000The funny thing is, I'm just fucking around, but this is a thing that always comes up with people when they want to say love is the answer.
00:39:27.000It's tooth and claw over most of the world, but we have gotten to a place where love really can do amazing and very beneficial things to our species.
00:39:38.000It's because we've figured out a way to get out of the wild.
00:39:41.000I don't think you can ever domesticate the wild.
00:39:44.000You'll never have a world where those things aren't eating each other.
00:39:48.000That's literally the engine that powers the machine.
00:39:52.000Like I said, I'm just throwing out ideas.
00:40:21.000And if we all do, if we get our meter all the way up there and get everybody on board with, like, let's be leading in love and not in fear.
00:40:28.000Not in the fear and the anger and the hate and all the things that come from that.
00:42:52.000And then instead of leading in this fear that he may have led in before, now he's leading in the love of, hey, actually, this can help people and we need it to help people.
00:43:02.000Yeah, it's really beneficial for soldiers, really beneficial for people that have been through extreme trauma, car accidents, assaults, that kind of shit.
00:43:11.000It helps a lot of people, changes your perspective.
00:43:58.000And we can use that to help people if they have amputations and all the ways that we've been using it.
00:44:02.000But if all of a sudden you're super smacked out all the time because you're hooked on some fucking, you know, opioids and that crisis and the fentanyl crisis and why?
00:44:27.000So a doctor can prescribe you for opiates and then you could have a legitimate use for it because your back does hurt and then you can get them.
00:44:35.000But that's the only way to get them, unless you're out there buying them on the free market.
00:44:40.000And if you're just buying them on the free market, no one can sell them to you unless they're drug dealers.
00:44:44.000And the drug dealers are all the ones making money, and they're not paying any fucking taxes.
00:44:48.000And if you keep it illegal, I bet the same amount of people would be using drugs.
00:44:54.000I bet if we knew, with education, I think we can lower it, but I bet the same amount of people would be doing drugs if we just legalized everything.
00:46:07.000It's preposterous that we're all allowed to drink booze, which has some of the worst, you know, ultimate effects in our bodies and the decision making that we do.
00:46:14.000And yet these other things are still seen with so much stigma.
00:46:19.000It's like, guys, come on again, choosing fear, fear, fear, fear.
00:46:21.000And it's like, guys, there's some of this stuff is really good for you.
00:47:56.000The situation was super sketch because everybody knew that they were selling weed there and everybody knew there was a lot of cash in there.
00:48:17.000He was the dude that was putting his neck out in the 90s when it was like, is this really legal?
00:48:25.000Because I know a guy, my friend Todd McCormick got arrested for growing medical weed in accordance to California state law, but he got arrested on federal charges.
00:48:36.000And they wouldn't even let him bring up the fact that it was medical weed that was legal in the state of California, because in federal law, there's no such thing as legal weed.
00:49:02.000And you literally were not allowed to bring up the fact that it was legal in California and that it was medical marijuana for people who have prescriptions.
00:49:13.000I had this one doctor that I was going to though.
00:51:05.000An idea is literally like a thing that enters into your mind and causes you to create things.
00:51:13.000If you were an alien thought, like an alien life form, and the way you made things work is you got into this creature's brain and you put thoughts in there as to what to do and what not to do.
00:51:29.000And if you're Nikola Tesla, They put thoughts in there about, oh, you need to fucking figure it out or just spray electricity through the air to everybody.
00:51:47.000But it's like the idea, it's almost like a life form that forces itself- It's a creative thought.
00:51:53.000It's a creative thought process, and it's something that we don't see.
00:51:57.000Not that other animals don't display some levels of creativity, because they do, but by and large, they're not sitting around being like, how do I make my day easier?
00:52:40.000I think with Tesla, yeah, I think that creative thinking, which seems to be very, you know, not singularly, but almost singularly human being, that is a difference in these crazy, amazing, special brains that we have.
00:52:56.000And I think that, yeah, they tap into something greater.
00:53:00.000It definitely is very capable, the human being, the human animal, is very capable of making new things.
00:53:12.000I mean, we like to think that ideas are our own, but imagine if they really are just out there and you're tuning into them, and it's just a matter of like sitting down and clearing your schedule to tune into them, or occasionally driving your car and you tune into them.
00:53:31.000When I was first starting in acting, I grew up in Ventura, California, and about an hour, you know, northwest from L.A., and the first three years I commuted down to L.A. for all my auditions, so I was on the 101 all the time.
00:53:42.000There were so many mornings where I'd get in my car, I would, you know, start the day with like a prayer or something like that.
00:53:53.000And not only does the trip, you know, you ever driving some long distance and, but you know the distance and it feels like you blink and 30 miles went by.
00:54:29.000Prayer and meditation is hugely important.
00:54:31.000It's the same as going for a walk, right?
00:54:33.000What's one of the things that writers love to do?
00:54:35.000They like to write and then go for a walk and bring a tape recorder.
00:54:40.000And just like to just record their ideas as they're walking because sometimes just the process of walking around after writing is like a meditative state.
00:54:54.000I think there's a similar thing in that too.
00:54:56.000It's like you're focusing so much on whatever business is going on in that phone call and you're just putting yourself in this kind of like autopilot of a move.
00:56:23.000Yeah, but it's just being mean, but you're being mean on the side of good.
00:56:28.000But again, that's still, yes, 100%, but that's still them, ultimately, they're fearing the other side of the conversation because their ego is kicking on, their fight or flight is literally kicking in.
00:56:39.000They're like, I don't know enough about whatever this is that I'm talking about to be able to even allow for that conversation to come in because it could totally destroy the scaffolding of what my identity is pinned on.
00:56:51.000So we have to be empathetic to people in that regard and be like, okay, I understand why you're being so cross.
00:56:56.000I understand why you're pushing back so much.
00:56:58.000But ultimately, if we can point out to everybody, hey, work on yourself.
00:57:02.000Love yourself so that you feel like you can invest in yourself.
00:57:05.000And as you love yourself better, you'll recognize how to love other people outside of you better because in order to love yourself, you gotta give yourself a fucking break, man.
00:57:20.000We're all a little broken and messed up.
00:57:22.000And if we can't just acknowledge that and see each other, you know, it doesn't mean, again, it doesn't mean that people aren't assholes on the other side and doing things that need to have boundaries.
00:57:31.000Loving is not just liking times a thousand.
00:57:35.000To like something is to like something, but to love something means just recognizing the miracle in the soul across from you.
00:57:43.000Recognizing that they exist and they are worthy of existing.
00:57:46.000They are worthy of being in this space that they're inhabiting, even if they're a fucking asshole.
00:57:51.000And then having boundaries with those people so that, you know, it's not a matter of just giving.
00:57:57.000People say, like, how do I forgive this person and make sure that they don't do this to me again?
00:58:08.000They're acting out of their shitty trauma, their programming, more often than not, you know?
00:58:13.000I just also think we have to kind of reward an ethic of trying to be nice and sort of do our best to not reward people that are just constantly being shitty.
00:58:25.000Because there's just so many people that are getting attention from being shitty, constantly being shitty.
00:58:30.000They're just putting this thing out there.
00:58:34.000You're putting out this negative energy like constantly, and you're complaining about things, and you're finding reasons to be mean about people, to shit on people.
00:58:57.000Terrified of these ideas this side terrified of these not being able to just come together man.
00:59:01.000I wish we had I wish we had some like Jedi council of just the smartest deepest most enlightened Deeply empathetic, genius people, symposium,
00:59:17.000whatever, 20 people, and just allow them to get together and all just agree on like, can we just decide some of these things that we're all fighting about?
00:59:25.000Can we just come together and make some really neutral ground so we can do this?
00:59:29.000Do you know of anyone that you would trust to be on that council?
00:59:33.000Like how many people do you think would have to be on that?
00:59:41.000Do you know of nine people whose opinion you would value so highly that they wouldn't say something so egregiously stupid that you'd go, what the fuck, man?
01:00:46.000He doesn't want to get married, and he sees his friends that are all married, and a lot of times they get divorced and they lose all their money.
01:00:55.000And then this lady goes, well, sometimes a woman has her own money.
01:01:20.000He laughed when asked if he understood why the response had offended women, saying, if female Dalai Lama comes, then she should be more attractive.
01:01:29.000If female Dalai Lama, before putting on a face, I think, ugly face, people prefer not to see her that face.
01:01:39.000The Dalai Lama also said they had not given up hope of returning to Tibet.
01:01:44.000But there was another thing where he was doing an interview about that.
01:01:50.000And that's where he said, the woman would say, well, sometimes women have their own money.
01:03:40.000I mean, look, it's his life, it's his Twitter, or was his Twitter anyway.
01:03:42.000But that thing is like, that transgender thing riles people up, man.
01:03:48.000That is one of the ones that riles people up.
01:03:51.000Like, everybody's in favor of everybody doing whatever they want to do as long as it doesn't hurt anybody and Until it gets to gender, and then people start getting weird.
01:04:32.000And all that's in response to what our beauty norms are, ultimately.
01:04:36.000Well, it's a response to DNA. Your DNA wants you to see a small waist and big hips and big boobs so that you can feed and nourish the baby.
01:04:46.000Yeah, but beauty norms have also shifted a lot over the years, too.
01:04:50.000Like, there was a long stretch where, like, the thicker the better.
01:04:54.000Like, you know, ladies in paintings and stuff like that.
01:06:44.000Being a person is just such a fucking strange enterprise.
01:06:49.000It's so strange because, you know, when we're thinking about all these different things about human beings, about transgender rights and the Council of Jedis and We've only been around for a short amount of time.
01:09:31.000And it's also the deepest narcissist pool to stare into because you just get lost in all of that nonsense that you're comparing yourself to all the time, which then drives that consumerism even more.
01:09:43.000You're like, I gotta have the thing, the thing, the thing.
01:09:45.000It's also a tracking device that the government uses to listen to this very conversation.
01:09:51.000They can just listen to it on our phones.
01:09:53.000I've heard, in fact, I think I even heard somebody on your podcast once talk about how that's not true, that they don't listen through our phones.
01:11:00.000There's an Israeli spyware called Pegasus, and another government, the Saudi Arabian government, tapped into his phone, and they sent him a WhatsApp link.
01:11:12.000And the WhatsApp link, he clicked on it.
01:11:14.000And when he clicked on it, it downloaded malware into his phone.
01:11:56.000What is the world going to be like in 10 years if these technologies are not just very real, but very much being implemented, and they're just the tip of whatever this particular iceberg is?
01:12:08.000Well, it depends, Zach, on whether or not you're going to be compliant.
01:12:11.000If you're going to be compliant, we're going to have a good time.
01:12:12.000We're going to have a good time together, but we're going to need equity.
01:12:15.000We're going to need equality and equity and a lot of other words that make you give up all of your sovereignty and your power and rights.
01:12:25.000We're all going to be together in one cubicle, just mushed in together.
01:12:59.000When people are really angry and they lash out, it's almost always, like, if we looked at love like a quantitative thing, like, oh, look at there, Zach, you're low in vitamin D. If they could say, oh, you have, like, 10% love, this is not good.
01:13:54.000Southern California, Connecticut, and I chose to go to Connecticut for three weeks of this super intensive, life-changing, life-saving therapy.
01:14:03.000I threw the psychological kitchen sink at it.
01:14:06.000It was three weeks, every day, at least three or four appointments that were one of either a psychiatrist, psychotherapist, Dialectic behavioral therapist, art therapist,
01:14:23.000meditation therapist, life coach, nutritionist, gym four days a week, yoga twice a week, Pilates twice a week.
01:14:29.000And that helped me tremendously, and I learned a lot of modalities and things from all of that.
01:14:34.000But that wasn't until, you know, five years ago.
01:14:36.000The rest of my life, I'd been coping by fucking...
01:14:38.000Boozing and drugging and sexing, you know what I mean?
01:14:40.000I didn't realize how much self-medicating I was doing for so long.
01:14:44.000And I wish that there would have been some way for anyone to be able to be like, I'm just going to see what your levels are.
01:14:53.000I didn't know that what I was constantly feeling all the time.
01:14:56.000Well, anxiety, I was constantly feeling all the time.
01:14:59.000Depression would hit me in these moments where...
01:15:03.000Basically, I'd have massive dopamine crashes, as I think I've come to find out.
01:15:07.000I would finish a job, or I'd get out of a relationship, or I wouldn't be working for a while, and all of a sudden it's like, I'm worthless, I'm worthless, I'm worthless.
01:15:29.000I mean, you understand the rush of a live audience.
01:15:32.000Fuck, you're feeding off of that energy.
01:15:33.000You know and you're playing jazz with this crowd.
01:15:35.000I mean it's incredible so much dopamine and I would get off you know doing a Broadway show I'd be flying after the show and then I would go to the bar with some of my cast mates and I would be drinking whiskey gingers like Till 3 in the morning because I didn't even have to be at work the next day until 6 p.m.
01:15:51.000Or whatever and it was all just a ton of Self-medicating because I didn't love myself and I didn't know that I didn't love myself and Wow, so you just thought you were partying.
01:16:09.000No, it was like, you know, I had this big dream, still do, of moving out here, buying a bunch of land, building a movie studio slash arts commune slash resort.
01:16:20.000That's kind of like a new United Artists studio.
01:16:24.000Why do you think I came to Texas, bro?
01:16:27.000And so, you know, head full of steam and dreams and all that, and I was so convinced, like, this is what I'm supposed to do with the rest of my life.
01:16:33.000I want to make a better Hollywood, all these things.
01:16:44.000I had just broken up with this girl, wonderful girl, who was from Austin, who probably would have moved here with me, but I self-sabotaged it all and was like, no, I don't think this is going to work.
01:16:52.000And I came out here, I had no real support structure, and my friends and family had a beautiful community in Los Angeles, but I was like, I gotta go.
01:16:58.000I feel compelled, I gotta go do this, I gotta go buy this land.
01:17:01.000And I'm really grateful that I did, but I didn't do it in the healthiest of ways.
01:17:05.000And so I ended up out here, and I was alone.
01:17:07.000And I was deeply, deeply feeling like, oh, I've blown up my life.
01:17:14.000I didn't feel like I felt like a lot of my friends and family were watching me Go in this kind of almost manic state of like I gotta fuck you know like just if I don't do it now I'm not gonna do it and I knew I had to get out of California like California was has been broken for so long and I'd love California I'm from California,
01:17:29.000but it's it's just so busted in so many ways But so I came out had nobody had no real support structure work wasn't great love life wasn't great all these things were just like falling down on me and so Massive just Spiral into darkness.
01:18:03.000But I didn't realize that the reason why you get there is because your hormones are all completely out of whack.
01:18:10.000My dopamine, my serotonin, my norepinephrine, all these things that are typically, you know, and me going and drugging and boozing doesn't help balance those things either.
01:19:12.000Because if somebody's not in a very good place, you can't depend on them to, like, get up and, like, make themselves breakfast and get to your appointments and all that kind of jazz.
01:19:20.000It was a very nice place that really took care of you.
01:19:23.000It was built for, like, CEOs that were having massive burnout and all that jazz.
01:19:28.000Like, lots of depression and things of that nature.
01:19:31.000But anyway, we had these companions and they would rotate through.
01:19:59.000She was just a tool that God got to show me.
01:20:02.000Mother's love like really kind of for the first not the first time I know my mom loved me and tried to do her best particularly I've done I've done all the therapy I know that my mom did her best but it still left me with so many holes Particularly with that maternal you know trauma and so this woman ended up at least like just lighting the the pilot light you know just getting me started so that I could didn't you know take that journey on and go go about it more on my own and There's real people like that out there,
01:20:30.000That term healer is a gross word because a lot of people use it when they're just crazy charlatans.
01:20:36.000But there are people out there that are capable of helping you heal because they're so kind and so loving that the feeling you get when you're around them is like a medicine.
01:20:47.000It's like how we were talking about if you could register love, like if you could look in your blood and go, oh, your zinc levels are good, but your love is down.
01:20:56.000If that was a real thing, I bet we would think about it differently, because then we would think about it as something, because now that we can measure it, we would think about it as something that's actually a tangible physical thing that's necessary.
01:21:38.000They can then be that mirror back and say, hey, I think that maybe you're operating in this world.
01:21:43.000And let's help, you know, psychologically, you know, chiropractor you back into being a happier, healthier version, stronger version of yourself.
01:21:52.000Because it would be great to just be like, boop, there you go, there's the level.
01:21:57.000But therapists are, I mean, that's why I think everybody needs to go to therapy.
01:22:00.000Not everybody needs to go to therapy to live.
01:22:02.000Like plenty of people don't go to therapy and they live their life and whatever, but I ultimately think that we would all benefit no matter what.
01:24:24.000Yeah, you need a whole room for a float tank.
01:24:26.000But he can make a smaller one with still adequate filtration, but that's like top of the food chain commercial filtration.
01:24:32.000I expect nothing less here at the Joe Rogan Experience.
01:24:35.000They sell some for your home, though, that have a smaller footprint and they're still, like if it's just going to be you using it, you don't have to worry about people What if I want that, Joe?
01:27:48.000I mean, by the way, that's another thing that terrifies me, which is the whole save soil and what's going on with our top soil everywhere in the world.
01:28:01.000When you don't have regenerative practices of farming, you're supposed to...
01:28:07.000Farmers forever have been taking their compost and they've been taking food scraps and all these different things and using them to create healthy bacteria and then using that on their soil.
01:28:21.000They've been doing that forever and we don't do that anymore.
01:28:28.000And this is the problem with people, even people that think that they're doing well by only eating plants.
01:28:34.000Well, you're definitely probably contributing to some factors less, but you're also contributing to monocrop agriculture, which is one of the most degenerative practices we know of.
01:28:43.000To get thousands and thousands of acres and just plant one crop is kind of fucking crazy.
01:29:09.000Fields and fields and fields of industrial hemp to do so many amazing things with, including sucking a bunch of carbon out of the atmosphere.
01:29:17.000They kill a lot of animals to do those monocrop agriculture setups.
01:30:48.000But going back to people who are more plant-based in their diets, One of the other things I find fascinating, which is I think I actually learned it on this podcast, which was how now we recognize that plants are way more intelligent than we've given them credit for for so long and communicate with each other and help each other.
01:31:08.000And with all the mushrooms connecting...
01:33:05.000It's a muscle, literally just one muscle.
01:33:07.000But because it moves like that, we consider it an animal.
01:33:10.000And then if you look at the protein and the amino acid, if you look at the content of an actual oyster, it's much more like an animal or a fish than it is like a plant.
01:33:21.000So it's not a plant, but it's dumber than a plant.
01:37:09.000I'll tell you what, Michelob got me with a fucking advertisement back in the day where a bunch of guys were eating stone crabs and drinking Michelobes, and to this day, I think of beer with crabs.
01:41:46.000I know dudes who drink them after they run.
01:41:48.000The first time I ever got drunk, I was living up in the Seattle area.
01:41:54.000My family moved up there for a little while when I was in middle school.
01:41:56.000And my older sister was in her first year of high school.
01:42:01.000And she and her friends were loading up into...
01:42:05.000One of her, you know, older friends' vans, like panel van with like, there was like a mesh gate from like the, you know, front seats to the back and there was no seats in the back.
01:42:15.000It was like a couch or like two couches and just boxes of naughty ice, natural ice beer.
01:42:51.000But it's not like I did that all the time.
01:42:52.000Like, the first cigarette I ever smoked was probably when I was 12. But I didn't smoke another cigarette until I was 13. And then so on and so forth.
01:44:17.000But if you start when you're a teeny little kid, not only are you getting the mechanics, but you have no fear because you're two feet from the ground.
01:44:25.000And you can keep chancing that and chancing that until eventually your bones become more brittle and you don't want to be chancing that anymore.
01:44:31.000Yeah, my youngest daughter started skiing before she was two.
01:44:53.000Yeah, just little pizza wedges going on.
01:44:54.000Little tiny with their little outfits.
01:44:57.000But if you can learn physical tasks, yeah, I feel bad for people that don't do anything physical and then they try to pick it up when they're 45 and their body's all uncoordinated and deteriorated.
01:45:28.000It's not, but at least we have the Hubermans and everybody of the world who are like, hey guys, we're really drilling down into this stuff.
01:45:34.000Let's understand why our bodies act the way that they do.
01:45:38.000Let's understand why, you know, we all think we're in so much control of our mind when it's so fragile.
01:45:44.000It can be hijacked in a moment's notice if your hormones are off, if you're not doing the things that can take care of this whole, you know, package.
01:45:53.000If that old Milwaukee commercial comes on.
01:46:03.000It's really weird that if you think about how long human beings have been around, that we're just learning this in the last couple of generations, that it's important to use your body to take care of your mind.
01:46:56.000Yeah, he's a really interesting guy, and his work is so extensive.
01:47:01.000His love of the Stoics is so excellent and so extensive.
01:47:06.000Yeah, I follow his Stoic Instagram, and it's always fascinating.
01:47:11.000It's also so cool to me, though, that if you really drill down into all of the Stoicisms, there's such universal wisdoms and truths, which to me just says, like, You know, like, that's the difference between information and wisdom.
01:47:27.000Like, information is information, but sometimes information changes.
01:47:31.000In fact, oftentimes information changes, but wisdom is universal truth.
01:47:36.000It is something that has been riding through our minds and hearts and DNA as human beings and has been passed down and passed down and passed down.
01:47:44.000I mean, gosh, who's the awesome dude you had on that talks about meteors and, you know...
01:48:19.000Like, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
01:48:21.000And we keep doing it over and over and over again.
01:48:24.000Marcus Aurelius' book, Meditations, is really, really interesting because it's almost 2,000 years old.
01:48:29.000And when you read it, you're like, wow, this guy had some really fascinating insight as to what it means to be a person, how to be forgiven, how to forgive people.
01:48:42.000Marcus Aurelius, who's the head of Rome, was really into forgiving people.
01:48:48.000When Ryan Holiday sort of lays out his life and talks about how he was sort of betrayed and what all went wrong with him.
01:48:55.000Well, Seneca, I think Seneca was another, like, incredible example of someone with such, I mean, all of them, but, you know, he had incredibly deep, I think, caring, empathetic wisdom as well.
01:49:06.000I mean, like, you know, speaking of a manuscript from 2,000 years ago, there's so much incredibly accurate, real deep wisdom in the Bible.
01:49:15.000However you want to chop it up, Old Testament, New Testament, whatever, I have found there to be such power, by the way, particularly when it comes to love.
01:49:22.000Particularly listening to what Jesus will talk about when it comes to love.
01:49:25.000You know what's interesting about that?
01:50:32.0002005 independent documentary written and directed by Brian Fleming.
01:50:37.000The documentary questions the existence of Jesus.
01:50:39.000Examining evidence that supports the Christ myth theory against the existence of a historical Jesus as well as other aspects of Christianity.
01:50:47.000So I don't know if this is accurate or inaccurate, but I do know that there is debate as to whether or not Jesus existed, even if he did.
01:50:54.000But there's no debate as to Marcus Aurelius, but they're from the same time period.
01:50:57.000They're only separated by like a hundred years.
01:52:34.000These are leaders of countries that need to figure out how to love themselves so they don't need to keep conquering everybody else and taking everything else.
01:52:41.000Go to that picture again of the guy trying to pull down the statue.
01:53:58.000Like, why we even have sugar cravings the way that we do?
01:54:01.000Because once upon a time as hunter-gatherers, we would find berries and we would just fucking gorge because we didn't know when we'd see them again.
01:54:08.000And now that's translated into, I can't stop eating gummy bears.
01:56:54.000There's a lot of crooks out there, and these people have been co-opted by these enormous corporations, so these people can make decisions that benefit the corporations, and it benefits their career, and then they move on to get jobs in those corporations, and meanwhile everybody else is Isn't it often times that the head of the FDA at any time was a former CEO of one of the pharmaceutical companies and then will also return to them?
01:57:37.000But one of the things that's really good about it is that the guy who's the host of it, they think that they're going to be able to just respond to his questions and they'll just paint a rosy picture of what went wrong and what we need to do next and And so he starts calling them out on all the various regulatory decisions that were made,
01:57:56.000and then he points out that these people oftentimes that are setting economic policy, these people that they're getting recommendations from are these mathematicians that work for these universities.
01:58:09.000And then these mathematicians, they set these standards that the government uses, and then they get jobs in these major corporations afterwards.
01:58:18.000So they set standards that benefit these major corporations, and then they leave their job at the university to make millions of dollars working for these corporations.
01:58:26.000So they'll set these financial pathways where these corporations can profit.
01:59:11.000But it's just disheartening to know that there's so many fucking creeps that are so fucking corrupt that are in charge of making decisions that all of us have to live with.
01:59:22.000Well, yeah, there's another documentary I saw.
01:59:24.000I think it was called The Cutting Edge.
01:59:29.000But a lot of this stuff about the FDA, I learned from that because there are all these, like, not just drugs, but medical devices and things that are constantly being okayed that are fucking people up.
01:59:40.000Meshes that they would put inside women who had like hysterectomy like major problems with these Faulty products, but they were all just nobody decided to give it enough testing because they had a little fucking you know side deal like we know I used to work for them They're gonna we're gonna get this in there.
01:59:56.000Yeah, like it's insane and there's no accountability Well, that's what John Abramson talked about when he was on the podcast.
02:00:03.000He sort of really highlighted some of the more spectacular instances of that, like the Vioxx instance.
02:00:37.000I mean, I wish to God I could look to one field and feel like it's being run with integrity.
02:00:43.000It's being run in a way where The corporation, the industry are valuing the lives of the people that run their entire situation and also valuing the lives of the user downstream with whatever they're providing.
02:02:23.000Yeah, most of the people that understand nuclear in terms of, like, when they're looking at our potential to make clean energy, like, what's the most likely scenario?
02:03:06.000If we don't do that, like I'm all about regenerative everything, but there's a lot of people that still don't have really good power sources in this world, and we're just going to not go with a thing that could help the most amount of people with the least amount of impact.
02:03:23.000Yeah, when you think about how many coal plants we have running, that should stop.
02:03:29.000We did this podcast once where we watched a documentary about this one town in Indiana that has a series of coal plants around it that's so bad that all their cars are covered in this fine coal dust.
02:04:20.000Yeah, it is because those systems that they had in the 1970s, like the Fukushima system that fucked up, they could have way better shit now.
02:04:30.000If we started implementing brand new power plants with 2022 technology, that would be wild.
02:04:51.000Those two things are connecting in people's heads.
02:04:54.000And not to mention the fact that all of the...
02:04:58.000Battery components are getting out of rare earth and all of that practice, which is horrible for the environment, even to make a lot of these electric cars that are helpful for the environment.
02:05:08.000So it's like, where is the moral high ground in all of this?
02:05:13.000Again, get this Jedi Council of nine people and be like, can we just be fair about all of the pros and cons here and figure out how we can all move forward and everybody can actually have energy and power, which is one of the greatest What's the word I'm looking for?
02:05:33.000There was a lot we didn't accomplish as human beings until all of a sudden we had lamps.
02:05:39.000And then we had kerosene lamps, and that was like, oh my god, we can stay up a lot, and we can put kerosene all through the streets, and we have lights, and then all of a sudden electricity.
02:05:46.000It's like, oh my gosh, look at all the things we accomplished as human beings just because we have this.
02:05:51.000And how many people who live in this world who don't have any of that?
02:05:55.000And that's not to mention, obviously, just having lights on, but powering wells for water and all of the things that these people would be able to benefit from.
02:06:05.000Yeah, I just wonder what they're going to do about the battery thing.
02:06:08.000The battery thing is, unless they come up with batteries that they make out of nuclear waste...
02:06:14.000Didn't they figure out a way to recycle nuclear waste to use as some new revolutionary idea that someone was pushing about nuclear waste?
02:06:28.000The problem is all this complaining is on a phone that's made by slaves.
02:08:50.000This is the guy who invented a supposed water-powered car, and he goes to meet someone to discuss this water-powered car, and he starts gasping, goes to meet someone to discuss it, like someone from the automobile industry or something like that, and his last words,
02:09:07.000he's running out of the place saying, they poisoned me.
02:09:26.000If you're a massive industry, if you're a massive corporation, and you know that gas, oil is your commodity, and you need people buying this oil, you don't want somebody coming up with a new technology that is going to make oil, at least gas for cars,
02:09:45.000The crime scene is in Grove City, Ohio, Franklin County, with all the ingredients of setting in the American province that is dear to crime writers.
02:09:56.000It's 21st March 1998, the first day of spring, and four men are having a lunch in a restaurant.
02:10:02.000A waiter serves one of them some cranberry juice, perhaps, but we will never know for sure, chosen for dessert.
02:10:09.000This man, immediately after his first sip, Suddenly gets up as if he's gone crazy, holds his hand around his neck, he loses his breath, runs out into the parking lot, collapses to the ground, and pronounces his last words, they poisoned me.
02:11:59.000And it's right there, right in front of us, and yet we still just kind of allow these things to go on, because we're not collectively enough angry about it.
02:12:06.000We're all angry at each other, which is the...
02:12:10.000There's also too much information to really take account of.
02:12:13.000There's too many stories, too many different things.
02:12:35.000Our politicians are all bought and sold.
02:12:38.000I mean, even the ones that I like or want to like, I don't trust that they have the ability to navigate all of that political scene and not end up fucking contorted by compromise by the time they get to a place of actual leadership where they can do things.
02:14:29.000There's probably people out there that are hypersensitive.
02:14:31.000There might be, like, a gene expression that, you know, they should probably keep away from mushrooms because of this or because of that.
02:14:37.000Like, we don't know any of those things, unfortunately, because it's all in the dark.
02:14:41.000But all we do know is that, like, the John Hopkins studies and all these different studies where people are showing beneficial results from giving psilocybin to people in these clinical settings, it's really interesting, man.
02:14:54.000It's really interesting stuff because it's like changing the way people interface with life.
02:14:58.000And almost all of them report at least some alleviation of the anxiety that was evolved and the trauma that they were trying to work through.
02:15:08.000Psilocybin has done some really deep healing in my life.
02:15:39.000Constantly judging and shaming and judging and shaming and judging and shaming, which is what we've been doing for way too long about far too many things.
02:15:50.000Well, it's also pharmaceutical companies don't want you to have things that are going to cut into their profits, just like somebody would want to destroy that water machine because they're selling water.
02:16:03.000We absolutely don't want you developing these natural alternatives.
02:16:09.000What is the stuff I've heard about you talk about before they have it done in Mexico but you can't get it here that's like totally healed people?
02:16:18.000Ibogaine is what Hunter S. Thompson accused Was it Humphreys?
02:16:25.000Yeah, it was Humphreys during the presidential race.
02:16:28.000He made Humphreys go crazy because he wrote all these stories about them bringing in Brazilian witch doctors and that he had a serious Ibogaine addiction.
02:16:41.000And if you've ever heard anything- He was accusing Humphreys of having an Ibogaine addiction?
02:19:35.000I feel like I'm back on my feet a bit.
02:19:36.000And I came back from the gym one day, put my phone up, did one take, sent it to my agency.
02:19:41.000And I'm not going to allow that to define, whether it happens or not, it's not going to define who I am moving forward.
02:19:47.000By, you know, a couple hours later, my phone's blowing up, and my agent's like, hey man, they liked you so much for that role, but they think you could be their Shazam, they haven't cast it yet.
02:19:57.000And so, long story shorter, a week later, through all these different things, I wrapped up my therapy, I end up flying to LA, I camera test, and one week from the day of doing that first tape, I was cast as Shazam.
02:20:09.000So, all of that, none of that would have happened.
02:20:12.000I fully believe that that door opened for me in my life because I first chose to go do the real hard work, which was to go and love myself, to figure out why I was not operating in a clear and healthy way, right?
02:20:25.000And that was going to this therapy and, you know, really investing in myself in that way.
02:20:29.000And that changed energetically, spiritually, it shifted things, and this presented itself and it came into my life.
02:20:36.000One of the greatest gifts I've ever been given as an actor.
02:20:39.000Such a fun role and totally changed the trajectory of my career.
02:20:42.000The career that I was feeling like a total failure in.
02:20:46.000So when I'm promoting the movie, I tell my publicist, like, listen, I can't talk about the movie without adding, but I only got to do this because of this work and going to therapy.
02:20:58.000And so I talked about that on a couple of different podcasts, and HarperCollins saw that, and they're like, hey, we think that this could be a book.
02:21:04.000I never intended to set out to write a book.
02:21:07.000I have a hard enough time reading books, let alone sitting down to write a book.
02:21:10.000And I had wonderful help from the folks at HarperCollins, and we made it through.
02:21:15.000But ultimately, the book is about those three weeks in Connecticut and all of the traumas and things that happened to me throughout my life that put me in that place.
02:21:26.000My mom and stepdad, I go into a lot of that.
02:21:28.000My dad himself and my relationship with him, my relationship with other family, going through school, being bullied relentlessly, all these things.
02:21:38.000It's just a real, raw, vulnerable take of my life, but it's something that I felt like If we people like myself who have a platform and who have also struggled greatly can just keep normalizing this shit, so many other people will feel...
02:22:38.000But if you can realize that, and you can realize that you're not always telling yourself the truth.
02:22:42.000I mean, for example, you're driving like on some windy road.
02:22:46.000You ever have those moments where you're like driving along, you look down the cliff and you go, what if I just, what if I just turned right now?
02:23:23.000That, to me, is a perfect example of your mind is going in weird places that you have no real control over.
02:23:29.000So that means it's very capable of lying to you.
02:23:32.000And the first lies that it digs in, that darkness in those lies, That is the depression and the anxiety and everything saying, you are alone.