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00:01:30.000He'll probably hate me if he hears this, but it feels like it's got Banksy-esque commentary, like using sort of famous, iconic images and subverting them.
00:01:39.000But he'll say, like, when you ask him, like, you know, why do you have all the, you know, dicks dressed up as missiles?
00:02:10.000It didn't help that all the machines look like giant dicks flying through the air.
00:02:14.000It was all these guys on dicks being like, love you, man.
00:02:18.000But I thought it was cool because it was just like, it was so unabashedly emotional and patriotic and it was like a love letter to our forces.
00:02:55.0002019, the trailer for Top Gun Maverick showed Cruise's character, U.S. Navy pilot Pete Mitchell, in the same bomber jacket he wore in the original film, but two of its flag patches representing Japan and the Republic of China, the official name for Taiwan, appeared to have been replaced by other emblems.
00:03:12.000The movie's like four years old then, if they had a trailer in 2019. That's wild.
00:03:46.000Which is that I drive by the creepy ass Scientology Center in LA now and I'm like, you know what?
00:03:51.000I'm glad anyone that thinks that's a good idea is in a building.
00:03:56.000Anyone that would be vulnerable to that is just, they've got them, they stay in there, they go on boat.
00:04:01.000What would the people that think Scientology is a good idea to subscribe to be doing if Scientology was not available to be the cult that they're a part of?
00:04:09.000They would join the Moonies or something.
00:04:17.000Yeah, I mean there's just a lot of vulnerable people out there that just have weak minds.
00:04:21.000And I think the more apocalyptic the world becomes or the more it feels like this doomsday thing, the more we all want to latch on to something that's going to give us a sense of control, fake control.
00:04:30.000If they didn't have such a wacky origin story, I think they'd be way more successful.
00:04:36.000The problem is like the guy who started, did you ever read Lawrence Wright's Going Clear?
00:05:52.000It's like, and then they pulled the laser beams out and shoot at them at the planet, and then the planet blew up into a million pieces, and then those million pieces shot off into individual spaceships, and those individual spaceships floated out into different galaxies and started their own universes.
00:07:05.000And I was like, okay, we obviously have this time.
00:07:07.000Like, we can't sit around and just get rusty.
00:07:09.000We can't when we come back and everyone finally is, you know...
00:07:12.000In their mind, taking a big risk going to a show where people are exhaling on each other or taking a risk to go to a venue, which is how people thought about it, at least some states, when we first started going back out.
00:07:23.000And they've been inside for two years.
00:07:25.000They've been listening to us on podcasts.
00:07:27.000I was like, I'm not going to go out there and be mediocre or work out and be sloppy.
00:07:32.000And so I worked really hard over the pandemic to be writing, to be thoughtful and to go, you know, this stuff is killing.
00:07:38.000But in 10 years, will it still feel insightful and fresh?
00:07:42.000Like just cutting a lot of stuff that felt like it works, but I would rather go smarter or weirder or Try to figure out a way that this is going to age well.
00:08:12.000But for me, like, I'm about to film and I feel like my shit has never been tighter.
00:08:18.000It's like never been tighter because I had the time off and then getting back into it also had like this newfound enthusiasm because I recognized like, hey, this thing that we love so much almost went away and kind of did for at least a year.
00:08:32.000Yeah, but now I have these bits that I didn't record in 2020 and I got to hone them and sharpen them and edit them and polish them and then add all this new stuff to it as well.
00:08:50.000And you made a very big impact on me one day.
00:08:53.000You might not even remember it, but this was maybe my last special and...
00:08:58.000I was about to shoot it, and you went, I just shot a special.
00:09:02.000All I can tell you is, if you think you're ready, do it for another three months.
00:09:07.000When you think you're ready, that's when you need another three months.
00:09:10.000After I thought I was ready, I did maybe 85, 90 shows or something of this one, so it was really fun to be in the pocket, feel like it was ready, And then go, no, there's more to do.
00:09:45.000You know when someone's thinking while they're up there, and they're thinking about their next bid, or they're thinking about their transitions?
00:10:03.000Not to, it sounds narcissistic, but I do think that, you know, there's a point you get to when you work something so hard in front of so many different kinds of people.
00:10:11.000You know, in that hour, you know, I feel really precious about in a way or connected to it because I was doing it outside, on cars, with people in masks, like in parking lots, like so many different places.
00:10:23.000So by the time I got to like a theater where, you know, it's like, it just feels like you're flying.
00:10:28.000And it's the best feeling in the world to just kind of go like, I know all this is going to work.
00:10:32.000Now what else can I bring to it physically or playfully and how can I surprise myself so that I'm actually on a ride with them too.
00:10:41.000That's pretty wild that you did it in parking lots too, right?
00:10:50.000So now it's like I've been getting such amazing feedback, which has been sort of suspiciously nice, you know, because the Internet usually doesn't treat anyone like that, much less female comedians.
00:11:02.000But there's something that feels so...
00:11:06.000Like, this is everybody's hour, because I did it so many, everyone that came and laughed and honked and whatever the hell we were going through, I'm like, I know that you guys laughed, and if anyone says this isn't good, they're judging you.
00:11:18.000Like, I went all over the country, I went everywhere, and I just really feel good about that.
00:11:24.000Like, this has worked everywhere for a while, and I had fun, and I was in the moment when I was performing, which is hard to capture, you know?
00:11:32.000I almost feel like specials, like, you know when you just shoot, when you have a great performance somewhere, and you're like, God, I wish we had just filmed that.
00:11:39.000And then you go to shoot it, and then all of a sudden it's like you're in this completely unnatural situation.
00:11:43.000There's cameras, the audience feels the cameras, and you're like, God, I almost wish that we all just toured, and one day you're, you know, in Denver, and someone's like, hey, just so you know, we got that.
00:12:09.000Can I tell you, I think the best, you know, I'm actually in the fall gonna go back and do a couple clubs because I just miss that 400 people in one place when you're killing and you're on, like, mind-melding.
00:15:39.000But I really wanted to let people know that I'm not going to lecture you on how to vote.
00:15:44.000I'm not going to bring you in promising you comedy and then do a secret TED talk halfway through where I am vulnerable and talk about my abusive childhood.
00:17:40.000But he goes like, he's like, and I was watching the news, you know, and, you know, sometimes there's this, you know, guy giving you the news or woman.
00:17:51.000Like if he mentions like, you know, sometimes there's like a guy there or girl.
00:17:57.000Like, acknowledging the eggshells and just leaning hard in it, but not making a comment.
00:18:25.000And I know that you guys have probably made up your mind on cannibalism by now, and there's nothing I can do to change your mind, but I am against it.
00:18:35.000And then he goes, but I'm not going to make this my bully pulpit.
00:22:23.000Yeah, it's so weird to think that because I was at the comedy store when you were not and you were still such a big presence there in a way that it's...
00:24:46.000Yeah, because also then, when comedians complain about their clips being, you know, broken up on Instagram or their stand-up being broken up, I always try to go, like, remember when we were on Comedy Central and they would break up our specials seven minutes and then a four-minute commercial and then five minutes?
00:25:03.000They would just arbitrarily break it up anywhere and you only actually had 42 minutes to actually do stand-up.
00:25:10.000Yeah, and your set was fucked up because sometimes those bits would continue after the commercial break and people would forget what the fucking premise is.
00:25:18.000And if people were just tuning in, they had no idea.
00:25:59.000I didn't realize how, you know, it's interesting the way that, you know, whether it's our business or just people in general, they look at comedians as kind of these children that need to be babysat instead of these mature adults that have gone all around the country and, you know, comported ourselves.
00:26:14.000Actually, we act like silly gooses sometimes, but we really have our shit together.
00:26:40.000And I was painted as the finger-wagging, annoying girlfriend.
00:26:44.000But the show was like a role reversal.
00:26:46.000It was about me, someone who had come from three divorces and was actually commitment-phobic, but in love with someone and trying to figure out how to...
00:26:53.000Like someone who's kind of feral, trying to be domesticated to be in a normal relationship.
00:27:01.000They couldn't get past the multi-cam of it.
00:27:04.000And which is weird because I feel like multicam is so respected in one in one way Cheers and well explain what to people what that means means you did it in front of a live audience Sure, like when you shoot show in front of live studio audience Roseanne.
00:27:18.000What do you mean they couldn't get past that?
00:27:20.000I think people would just were so mad that I like Existed that they couldn't it was like well, that's a laugh track They were mad that you existed.
00:30:11.000Yeah, he goes, it wasn't that much money.
00:30:13.000He goes, it was really like, he was, more than that, he was bringing them to parties.
00:30:20.000Like, it was an intelligence operation.
00:30:24.000Whoever was running it, whether it was the Mossad, or whether it was the CIA, or whether it was a combination of both, it was an intelligence operation.
00:30:33.000They were bringing in people and compromising them.
00:30:35.000And then when they would compromise them, they would use You know, whatever they had on them to influence their opinions and the way they expressed those opinions.
00:30:47.000And I don't know why they would want to do that with scientists, which is really strange to me.
00:30:52.000Epstein's like, I need you to do a study about how 15-year-old girls are adults.
00:31:19.000I mean, I would imagine the money goes, like if you have a research grant, right, and say like you're working on a cure for leukemia or something like that, you know, you find established scientists that are working on this thing and then you allocate money so that they can work on projects.
00:31:34.000Whether or not the person who donates the money has Any influence on how that money is spent, I doubt it.
00:31:45.000Because, I mean, I know that just my, you know, if you're shooting an independent movie that has investors, Russian investors, Saudi investors, like, you have to hang out with them.
00:31:56.000Like, it's kind of the, it's like you have to flirt with them.
00:31:59.000Here it says, Epstein regularly visited, had card key access to, and was provided a designated office space within the program in evolutionary dynamics until 2018. So that means they gave him that at Harvard after he had been arrested for fucking underage girls.
00:32:20.000Granting him that level of access raises serious questions about the compliance with Harvard's policies, and beginning in 2017, about whether or not the Professor Nowak acted in deliberate circumvention of Harvard's security procedures.
00:32:34.000So he was arrested, and he already did time by then, which is crazy.
00:32:40.000It's also like, at first I was like, oh God, he was on campus with all these girls.
00:32:47.000Harvard University said Friday that convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein donated more than $9 million to the university over the course of a decade and had an office on campus after his 2006 arrest.
00:33:14.000Whatever he was doing, and I don't know why he was doing it, you know, and no one knows now that he's dead, but he had a lot of scientists that he was tight with.
00:33:26.000And that was one of the things that he did, was bring these scientists to that island.
00:33:30.000And he would have young girls on that island.
00:34:43.000Because what's more profitable than new cutting-edge science, whether it's a prescription, whether it's a finding, whether it's a something?
00:34:50.000If he donates to some kind of scientific discovery that's going to be lucrative down the line, a pill, a medicine, a cure, does he get any kind of power over it or money from it?
00:35:01.000Well, some of these scientists were string theory physicists.
00:35:22.000I was just going to say, if you donate to University of Austin, to the cancer research, and they discover the cure for cancer, and you donated, you should get...
00:35:55.000And he would, like, right in the Wild Wild West days of the internet, before the laws caught up with what was going on, he would take photos of girls, like, anything crazy.
00:36:05.000It was kind of like the first, like, 4chan or 8chan, don't you think?
00:36:09.000It was definitely a blog that people went to a lot, and revenge porn.
00:38:02.000But what he had been doing was he was intercepting photos of girls, guys, the private photos from their emails, posting it with their address, their workplace, and the kink for him.
00:39:57.000And because everyone's stuck inside, like say if you and I were married and you had a 17-year-old son and I had a 17-year-old daughter and we just got married and they're not related to each other.
00:40:11.000And all of a sudden they're in the house together.
00:43:39.000What it's going to be in a few years from now, it will be CGI rendered and impossible to detect.
00:43:46.000You'll be able to watch celebrities do things that aren't even actually being done.
00:43:51.000Like right now, you can take a girl and you could put a celebrity woman's face on that girl and that girl would do porn and it looks like a celebrity is doing porn.
00:44:07.000Commit murder, fuck herself with a cross.
00:44:11.000There will be no person that has actually done it.
00:44:14.000But that uncanny valley between artificial CGI rendered images and what we know to be real images, where your mind can discern the difference, that will be gone in ten years.
00:44:27.000But do you think that laws are going to catch up at some point in that it's going to become so illegal?
00:46:46.000And then I took it down, and then a couple months later, before I had that last special coming out on Netflix, I got an email where someone said, if you don't pay me $15,000, I'll sell this photo of your boobs to a tabloid.
00:46:57.000And it was a screen grab of that video.
00:47:00.000Someone had screen grabbed it before I took it down.
00:47:30.000Yeah, like I always say, like, to me, the only thing that I was really embarrassed of in my cloud were all the screen grabs of inspirational quotes.
00:47:58.000We were able to make jokes about it, you know?
00:48:01.000But I can see how it didn't feel super violating to me because I think I kind of violate myself for a living a little bit, you know, as a performer.
00:48:09.000It's just not something that I, you know, feel precious about.
00:48:12.000And I don't have to worry about getting a job or getting into a school and someone Googling me and seeing something that's going to ruin my reputation.
00:49:06.000It can be done, but also you could fall into this trap like Lenny Bruce did, where in the later stages of his life, he was just reading off legal transcripts on stage because he had important things that he needed to talk about and he didn't have a podcast.
00:49:21.000And I think there's also a way to do it, you know, that's, look, I just, I get very simple about it.
00:49:25.000I get very, I think sometimes the hardest thing is, you know, the smartest thing is to just get really simple and go like, okay, if I was going to a hardware store and I wanted to buy a hammer and they only had oranges, I'd be like, What the fuck, guys?
00:49:37.000Like someone's coming to a comedy club.
00:50:16.000The people that want to do that sort of TED Talk type thing, I mean, it's one thing if you're doing it in a theater and people come to see you, if you're like a Hannah Gadsby.
00:52:10.000And she's like, well, I'm not going to remove an animal from its home.
00:52:13.000I was like, bitch, I'm going to kill it if you don't come get it, but okay.
00:52:18.000And then she went, okay, well, the problem is that a lot of people in L.A., they are testing their cocaine for fentanyl, and if it tests positive, they're flushing it down the toilet.
00:52:27.000So we're having a lot of cases of animals that we think are just on fentanyl.
00:52:54.000But a lot of people in LA, everyone that I've heard, if they're going to do cocaine, which if you're testing your cocaine, go call your dad.
00:54:32.000That's like, we're better than you, we're super progressive, and we're these future heroes, we're doing all this tech, but all you're doing is working on a bunch of apps that take people's data.
00:55:00.000The fucking terms of service are insane.
00:55:02.000Well, here's the other thing, and I say this as someone that uses the Aura band and the Whoop band, but I'm also like, well, that's like collecting our breaths and our sleep.
00:55:13.000Well, 23andMe collected your DNA. But that, I would argue, they found serial killers with that.
00:55:55.000More than three decades after his trail went cold, one of California's most prolific killers and rapists was caught using online genealogical sites to find a DNA match, prosecutors say.
00:56:07.000Investigators compared the DNA collected from a crime scene of the Golden State Killer to online genetic profiles and found a match, a relative of the man police have identified as Joseph James D'Angelo.
00:56:33.000But the problem is like, what are they gonna do with that data?
00:56:35.000There's a thing that just came out recently that they're going to be able to target specific individuals for assassination by using a genetic weapon that is geared entirely towards your DNA. That's fucked.
00:56:52.000The day where if you're allergic to peanuts or something and I can just walk by you on a plane and throw peanuts on your plate or something.
00:58:52.000Dopamine agonists, such as Reequip, will develop some form of this distressing behavior, which can range from compulsive gambling to binge eating and hypersexuality.
00:59:08.000is a dopamine agonist used to treat patients with the chronic and progressive neurodegenerative condition Parkinson's disease for which there is only a small number of treatments available.
00:59:19.000It directly stimulates dopamine receptors in the brain and acts as a replacement for dopamine which is deficient in certain parts of the brain in patients with Parkinson's disease.
00:59:30.000Pathological gambling and increased libido and hypersexuality have been reported in patients Treated with dopamine medicines.
00:59:37.000These reports are uncommon when compared to the number of people treated with these medicines.
00:59:42.000Prescribing and patient information for re-equip provides information on compulsive behaviors.
00:59:48.000So this guy, whatever, they had to pay him.
00:59:51.000I thought it was a lot more money than that.
01:01:16.000Yeah, I mean, my friend used to go down there all the time, really creative dude, produced my special with me, Nick Curzon, and he's brilliant.
01:01:23.000And he would go down there and he was like, I don't know if I'm addicted to the game or the conversations.
01:02:37.000It's just thrills trying to predict trying to control it's like the same thing like when um I Do that like when you leave a restaurant and you're with your friends and you just look at each other and just race Like what is that?
01:02:52.000Yeah, there's no consequences there But like I know people like there's this guy a famous pool players names Alex Pagulian world-class pool player Famously will win tournaments or win like a big match and then flip a coin for the money.
01:03:09.000So he wins, like he plays pool for hours and hours and hours, days at a time.
01:03:29.000Yeah, there was a real problem with pool players when they would have pool tournaments and casinos because these guys would win the money and they'd go straight to the casino and lose the money.
01:03:51.000I'll give you X amount of money, and I'll go with you, and you'll play somebody for the money.
01:03:57.000So you would put up the $5,000, and then another person on the other side would put up the other $5,000, and you'd play.
01:04:03.000And that's how a lot of pool players make money is gambling.
01:04:07.000There's not a lot of money in a professional pool, so a lot of the pool players wind up being what we call a road player.
01:04:14.000You know what I like about that is I am better at whatever I'm doing if I know someone else will lose something if I fail.
01:04:23.000So like playing sports growing up, it was always like I was very good at shooting free throws because it was always if you miss this free throw, your whole team runs suicides.
01:04:46.000Yeah, that also makes sense considering your childhood, you know, that you like, that having some, like, having the support of others is very important to you.
01:04:56.000Having chosen family, and by support, you know, I think that as I get older, you know, as we all do, I like redefining what friend means, what family means, but also, like, It doesn't mean everyday support.
01:05:08.000I don't even talk to someone on the phone every day.
01:05:10.000Some of my closest friends I see once a month and we text.
01:05:12.000I think it's more about feeling like there's people around me that share my reality, that see the same things I see.
01:05:19.000Because we're in a place where it's like sometimes people that you love and trust and respect, they're like brainwashed by something.
01:05:27.000You know, just people that share your reality, which I think is being able to corroborate your reality.
01:05:33.000Because I think when you grow up in a, you know, whether alcoholic home, chaotic home, everyone has, you question your own sanity a lot.
01:05:40.000Because everyone tells you, calm down, you're not seeing what you're seeing, relax, you're being dramatic.
01:05:45.000You know, the narcissists and the borderlines need to make you dramatic and overly sensitive in order to justify their behavior or Exonerate themselves from guilt, whatever it is.
01:05:56.000So I think that's what we do on stage too.
01:05:58.000We go out and we go like, this is, and everyone's like, yes, we have that too.
01:06:24.000Having me on your show is always a gamble?
01:06:28.000You went to the support of others, because I said that I get why the free throw would be so important for you to make, because of the support of others.
01:06:47.000That's what it would be is like usually like some guy owns like a tire company or something like that and he wants a thrill and so take some guy on the road with them and oftentimes they'll dump they'll make a deal like the pool player will make a deal with the other guy and say listen I'll lose you know you give me X amount of dollars and we'll split the money that way you don't have to worry about whether or not you're gonna win or gonna lose you're definitely gonna win what's the most money you can make as a pool player well people have played pool for a million dollars One game?
01:07:21.000There's been a lot of poker players who play reasonably well, not professional level, and they'll get a giant handicap to play a pool player.
01:07:31.000A handicap would be, do you know what nine ball is?
01:07:38.000It means you play one through nine, you make the nine ball in, and you win.
01:07:43.000But say if you played and I played, and you didn't play that good, I could say, I will give you the five out.
01:07:50.000That means I have to run all the balls, and I have to make the nine ball to win, but you can make the five ball to win, the six ball to win, the seven ball to win, the eight ball to win, or the nine ball.
01:08:43.000What I had not played before, and I was, Tim Dillon rented a place in Malibu, and we went out there, and There was a giant chess game like it was more sort of for decoration like huge like the size of this table a big with chess pieces this big and we played chess.
01:09:20.000One of the great things about chess is there's a lot of programs you can play on your phone where it'll tell you what the right move is.
01:09:28.000So you could ask it what the right move is, or you could just try it.
01:09:32.000Like, it'll give you, like, there's learning and tutorial modes, and you can try different moves and strategies, but chess is insanely and infinitely complex.
01:09:46.000It really, I think also, you know, I think it's important to know your mind.
01:09:50.000I know that sounds a little crazy, but don't spend too much time in it, but know it.
01:09:55.000Like, know what depletes you, know what energizes you, know if you're a reckless person, know if you're the kind of person that, you know, chickens out at the last minute or questions yourself, whatever it is, you know?
01:10:07.000And it helped me sort of illuminate a couple things about my own brain.
01:10:12.000I was like, oh, I didn't trust my gut on that.
01:12:26.000Where are you getting those thrills from?
01:12:29.000So for me, I get my thrills out of doing things that are just difficult.
01:12:35.000Things that require execution, like a pool game or archery in particular, is one of the best because...
01:12:42.000Especially on a long shot, you can't fuck anything up.
01:12:46.000All of your technique has to be perfect, you have to be relaxed, you have to control your breath, and then when you release the shot, when the arrow goes, just any little twitch, any little uh, uh, uh, any little thing that you do with your hand might make it shoot three feet to the left,
01:13:07.000You could twitch your arm and you're missed by seven inches.
01:13:11.000But if you keep it clear, keep your mind clear, keep your breath in control, keep your technique perfect, when that arrow releases and finds its way right into the center of the target, it's one of the most satisfying things in life.
01:13:26.000It's kind of like, I know it's not, but it is, like upper body ballet, in a way.
01:13:32.000Because I had that bit in the special about ballerinas, and I make fun of ballet, and I've been getting all these messages from ballerinas.
01:13:38.000I obviously respect the art form, but it is like, they have to be so strong that they don't even shake.
01:15:31.000So if you're shooting, especially the arm that's holding the bow, you don't want it to be fatiguing and dropping and then you're struggling and it's shaking.
01:16:57.000But if it was like Halloween and I had a bow...
01:16:59.000Like, if I don't know how to use it, it's not a weapon, I guess.
01:17:02.000I think Halloween you can get away with it.
01:17:04.000I think it's probably a gray area, but it would depend on whether or not you had an arrow and whether or not the arrow was knocked, meaning it's on the string.
01:17:13.000If the arrow was on the string, all you'd have to do is pull it back and release it and you could shoot somebody.
01:17:17.000And do you put something on the tip of the arrow?
01:17:57.000Okay, so why are we all just fine with this?
01:18:01.000Because in Virginia, West Virginia, where I grew up, you pull the tick off, you burn it, you bite the head off, you get rid of the head, it's fine.
01:18:08.000I got a tick on me in the Hamptons, and I just sent a picture to someone or put it on Instagram or something, and I was laughing about it.
01:18:14.000Everyone was like, you need to get the tick, put it in a bag.
01:19:48.000So one of the episodes of Joe Rogan Questions Everything, that old sci-fi show that I had, one of the episodes of that we dealt with Margellons because a lot of people think Margellons is bullshit, that it's not a disease at all, that it's fake.
01:20:04.000Like, people believe that they have fibers growing out of them, but it's really like carpet fibers that they light around on and they scratch themselves.
01:20:11.000Well, it turns out that most of the people...
01:20:14.000Well, I went to a Morgellons convention of people that were Morgellons sufferers, and one of the people there was a doctor.
01:20:20.000And the doctor said that one of the things that's interesting about Morgellons is that most of the people who have it also have Lyme disease.
01:20:27.000And that Lyme disease has a neurotoxic element to it that he believes is causing people to hallucinate.
01:20:34.000And so like he'll look in the mirror and he'll see like a worm crawling across the surface of his eye or he'll see something on his skin that's not there and he'll start clawing at it.
01:20:42.000And he said so he believes even and he's a Morgellons sufferer and a Lyme disease sufferer and he thinks that the two of them are connected.
01:20:51.000He said because Lyme disease by itself, it's not as simple as, you know, like, oh, it's copper, or it's lead.
01:21:03.000You can know what it is, you isolate it.
01:21:05.000He's like, no, when a tick bites you, He goes, there's the stuff that we could recognize, but there's a host of other pathogens that come along with that and go for a ride.
01:21:15.000And if you test positive for Lyme disease, you might have multiple toxic elements from this tick in your bloodstream that are fucking with everything, causing massive inflammation and brain fog.
01:21:35.000It's just wild to me that it's just accepted that people bring their kids to the Hamptons and they just get like...
01:22:05.000There's some wacky theory, some conspiracy theory, that it was some sort of a bioweapon that accidentally got released or some experimental Biological warfare agent that got released.
01:26:38.000Can you pull up Val Kilmer in the movie?
01:26:41.000Yeah, I mean, it's, I feel like, yeah, that Scientology thing is all about, like, no psych, I mean, John Travolta has a kid, sorry, this is going to get me in so much trouble, fine, whatever, who's dead, because they wouldn't give him seizure medication, right?
01:30:24.000I think if the television producers and executives have any fucking say, and which they will, and then the actors have any say, which they will, they'll fuck it up.
01:40:51.000Boy, what they thought was entertaining back then is so...
01:40:55.000Now, see if you can find Shirley Temple in her later years.
01:40:58.000Find a video of Shirley Temple on, like, The Carson Show or some shit when she was 80. People say she was, like, oddly normal, but I think she took a lot of time off.
01:43:41.000Because I know Betty Page, she didn't want anyone to take photos of her after she was like 30 or something.
01:43:47.000You can't find anything of her after that, right?
01:43:50.000And then I looked up Hedy Lamarr, because Hedy Lamarr, in addition to all the stuff you talked about, I'm sure you know, she experimented with plastic surgery on herself.
01:44:00.000Like, she would talk to doctors and be like, well, if you put this in here, so...
01:46:16.000Oh yeah, Calling Hedy Lamarr was released in 2004. There was another one that was more recent that talked about her contributions to plastic surgery.
01:46:25.000Like she would sit down with plastic surgeons and they would try it out on her.
01:46:29.000So why don't you Google Hedy Lamarr plastic surgery?
01:47:53.000We flew around downtown LA. What's crazy about helicopters is you could kind of fly wherever you want.
01:48:00.000You know, it's like going in the ocean and swimming.
01:48:03.000It's not like, you know, if you're on a road, there's very specific roads, like here's a 405, this is the 10, you got to go this way or that way.
01:48:10.000When you're on a helicopter, you go wherever the fuck you want.
01:48:12.000So we were flying around downtown LA. That would spook me out.
01:48:16.000We were flying, like, you know, 50 yards away from buildings and shit, just flying around.
01:48:21.000And one of the things that was wild about it is, like, you realize how many of these buildings have, like, a landing spot on the top of the building.
01:48:57.000I don't want to do it because I don't want to ruin it, but Tony got a really funny bit about it.
01:49:01.000A lot of talented people are on the bench, and their penance should be they have to start making movies again for us, and the money goes to whatever cause.
01:52:31.000Because I think a lot of people start to, you know, put something on a pedestal as like the paragon of great and then...
01:52:38.000It just becomes this cult thing of like if you disagree you're dumb.
01:52:41.000I remember like when I first watched a couple David Lynch movies I was like I hadn't really gotten in deep enough, but I found that if you say, I didn't really get that, people are like, oh!
01:52:50.000I'm like, you explain to me what you got.
01:53:07.000And then they can't, and they just think you're dumb.
01:53:09.000I'm like, well, you can't explain it either.
01:53:11.000I've been guilty of that, too, though, because, like, Coen Brothers movies, I'm a giant fan of the Coen Brothers movies, and I've talked to people that don't like The Big Lebowski, and I'm like, well, you can eat shit.
01:53:28.000Yeah, but it's more like, I think No Country for Old Men is more the, this is gonna get me in such hot water, because, you know, the guy that I'm dating, it's his favorite movie.
01:55:15.000It's really good in the beginning, but then when I get into the last episode, I'm like, you guys have a little bit, there's a little too much talking going on here.
01:55:23.000It's a little too involved, and they're trying to work the script out through explaining things, like people talking and explaining things.
01:55:42.000That's what happens when networks get involved.
01:55:43.000They're like, well, we need to explain what's happening so the audience isn't confused.
01:55:46.000The thing is, in the beginning, there's none of that.
01:55:49.000What's really compelling about the beginning of the show is that there's very little of that.
01:55:54.000And then you're trying to figure out what the fuck is happening and then you realize, oh my god, this guy is a killer for the CIA that has been on the run for all these years.
01:56:03.000And you figure it out while the show's going on and now he's, you know, this old guy.
01:57:37.000If you can go to a place where you can walk around and, you know, you're in the middle of the...
01:57:41.000Have you ever seen Heinmo's Arctic Adventure?
01:57:45.000There's a Vice Guy to Travel documentary thing, like a series thing, on this guy who moved to the Arctic in...
01:57:57.000I want to say the 70s he got a job up there and he decided to stay and he lives in this small cabin and He's like the last Like sanctioned person to be able to live there and when he moves out No one ever is allowed to live there again,
01:58:13.000and he lives a completely subsistence lifestyle up there Yeah, and so this guy I mean, during the course of this show, and by the way, this was when Vice was the shit, okay?
01:58:25.000This is like the early days of Vice when, you know, they were these reporters that would be embedded in fucking Afghanistan.
01:58:35.000You know wasn't like all woke bullshit like it is now, but what this kid does is he goes out and it's like the perfect looking guy for the job because it's like this nerdy looking New York kid with glasses and he goes to this guy's cabin in Alaska and he shows like the caribou that he's got hanging from a tree and You know while he's there bears come and they try to get him and he has to fucking kill a bear and And then after he kills the bear,
01:59:02.000he cuts the bear's head off, and he has to send the bear to the wildlife biologist so they can determine the bear's age, because when you murder a grizzly bear up there, you're supposed to do that.
02:00:03.000You weren't prepared to see whether it's just like a horrible piece of news or like an image or, you know, you know, I know everyone loves the nature loves metal.
02:03:34.000We need to cancel Shirley Temple to drink.
02:03:36.000Now, let's break this down, because do you think, this is my take on Hollywood has always been, one of the weirdest aspects about it is that there's gateways to you working, right?
02:03:49.000Like someone, you have to audition, and you can become a star, like the Harvey Weinstein thing.
02:03:55.000You can become a star through this guy.
02:03:58.000And so he's got like, Quentin Tarantino, when he was on the podcast, was telling me about this old school director that had a bedroom in his office.
02:04:07.000So he had his office, and in the office it was a bedroom where he would take the starlets, all of them.
02:04:12.000Like, if you were going to be a star, this guy had to fuck you.
02:04:15.000Apparently Hitchcock was pretty nasty.
02:04:38.000It's such a bad movie that we were going to get high and watch the movie, the entire movie, with comics, and do a fight companion with war.
02:05:43.000We had to get the manager to come in every half hour or so just to check on him, make sure he's still alive, because he was conked out right below where you're sitting.
02:05:53.000And the only reason why he didn't throw up all over the floor and ruin the whole place is because we got him a cooler.
02:08:02.000I make this argument about you whenever this comes up, which is like, if you just listen to Joe, you'll like him.
02:08:08.000I don't know if that's necessarily true.
02:08:10.000I just mean, like, here's what's interesting to me.
02:08:12.000It's like, you know, podcasting, this is, you know, you've been doing it, you know, the longest.
02:08:16.000I know Tom Green and, you know, there are people who are doing, you know, but I feel like it is on us as human beings now that when you consume something, you consider the date it was made.
02:08:27.000When we eat something, right, before you drink milk, you're going to look at the expiration date.
02:08:31.000Before you drink wine, you're going to look at the date.
02:08:33.000Like, if you're just going to pull a podcast that you did at the beginning of the pandemic and listen to it now, you change your mind 50 times after that.
02:08:40.000It was like, it's to not know the context when a three-hour conversation was had.
02:08:45.000Like, you really have to know when something was recorded.
02:08:48.000Well, the difference between a podcast and almost anything else is that, at least the way I do it, I don't have any difference in the way I talk to people on the podcast versus the way I talk to them in real life.
02:09:08.000This is how I am when I talk to my neighbor.
02:09:10.000This is how I am when I talk to friends.
02:09:12.000If I think something's funny, I laugh.
02:09:15.000More like quiet reserved with like older people or people that are more sensitive but this is who I am and so what I'm doing is having like public conversations Like, while I'm thinking in real time, out in front of the whole world.
02:09:33.000That's not possible on network television.
02:09:46.000It's because, like, this thing that you're not supposed to do has become so much more successful than the thing that you're supposed to do that they do.
02:10:11.000Yeah, there was always this weird sort of gatekeeper thing, like very similar to what we're talking about with like Hollywood starlets, where if you wanted to get onto a network, if you wanted to get onto a television show, you had to kiss the ring, you had to go to the parties, you had to support the right political party,
02:10:28.000you had to have the same political ideology as everybody else.
02:14:40.000It gave me a reverence for the people that fly these planes, which I had before, but it just sort of is like the level of danger is just unfathomable.
02:14:51.000It's unfathomable what they're doing, these fighter pilots.
02:19:29.000He doesn't have this photo of a Halloween costume floating around.
02:19:33.000But if you're living in a world where everyone's brain is connected to this neural link, and this neural link has changed the amount of the bandwidth, your access to information is completely different than it would be at any other time.
02:19:49.000I know he's your friend, but my brain always wants to go to the joke version of Neuralink, and I can't help but think that he has to invent things to solve his own problems.
02:20:02.000And he's so busy and has so many women to have kids with or something that he had to solve the problem of a girl going, what are you thinking about?
02:20:13.000And he was like, we need to start a company to solve that.
02:22:48.000Fucking hate you and then the next day.
02:22:50.000I'm like, I love you I was just in a crazy had I like put that on record and Made it any more permanent like oh, that was just me.
02:22:56.000I was hungry I was right, but maybe part of the problem is that the communication between two people is so crude Because it's just words and people manipulate those words try to give an impression of the person that's not accurate Yeah, you know,
02:23:11.000there's there's a lot going on with human communication that would be solved if we could read minds and There's an incredible book that I actually wrote a script with him to do the TV show called Super Sad True Love Story.
02:23:22.000It's by Gary Steingart, dystopian satire.
02:23:25.000He's kind of like Mike Judge, but a writer.
02:23:29.000He did Little Failure, Russian debutante's handbook.
02:24:40.000It'll sort of encourage eugenics in a way because those people, people are not going to want to breed with them because it's going to be all transparent.
02:24:46.000But like in, you know, in 30 years, like when you meet someone, will you be able to Google them and look at every text they've ever sent or look at every photo they've ever taken?
02:24:54.000And will, you know, all of us see all of their medical records?
02:25:03.000I mean, what you're looking at, right, is all like bottlenecks for information.
02:25:07.000And if something happens where they do create a neural link and there's no bottleneck anymore, the amount of information that's out there is accessible to everybody at all times, at any time.
02:25:20.000There's nothing like, I gotta Google it.
02:25:24.000It's gonna change the world in as profound a way as the internet changed the world.
02:25:32.000And in a weird way, maybe the saving grace is also, concurrently, we're having more and more distrust of photos and videos because of all the deepfaking and photoshopping.
02:25:42.000So at least you're able to be like, oh, well, that's fake.
02:26:25.000Well, I think you're going to get to a point where the technology emerges and then we're going to be able to see what people are thinking and And then as time goes on, you're going to be able to see whether or not someone's thinking something that's valid or whether or not they've thought this through or whether or not they're childish and foolish,
02:26:46.000whether or not they're selfish, whether they're charlatans, whether or not they're con men.
02:26:50.000I mean, how many women are getting duped out of millions of dollars by assholes that that'll never happen in the future?
02:26:56.000Because a woman will meet a guy and she'll go, oh, that's a fake Rolex.
02:27:30.000I'm sure there'll be an age where neural link is allowed, you know, but if you see something, you know, not so salubrious that your child is thinking, like, you know, I'm going to beat up some kid or like, do you intervene like that to know everything your kid is thinking before they're fully formed as adults yet?
02:27:48.000Well, who knows how many conflicts will be resolved just based on two people being able to understand exactly what the other person's thinking instead of having this like, well, fuck you, fuck you.
02:27:59.000Maybe people will be able to communicate in a way where you can resolve conflicts before they ever happen.
02:28:06.000Which is honestly, to me, as I mature as an adult, it's like I do feel like more and more every day I realize that so much is not about what you're saying but how you're saying it.
02:28:15.000Yeah, that's a lot of it and whether or not the person you're talking to thinks that you're considering their feelings, whether or not you've expressed yourself in a way that they know that you care about them, or whether or not you're just blurting things out because it's self-serving and then you don't care about the other person's feelings.
02:28:35.000Like when you're in a relationship or any kind of a friendship and someone doesn't give a fuck how you feel about things, That sets the tone for all of your interactions from then on forward.
02:28:45.000Because you're always going to know this person, this is like a shallow kind of shitty person who doesn't genuinely care about me.
02:29:02.000Yeah, and it is odd because I guess maybe I'm using this as a way to anesthetize as we look at people's behavior right now and to feel better about it.
02:29:11.000But I also think people lie to themselves.
02:29:13.000I think denial, this is something I want to ask Huberman about.
02:29:28.000We haven't figured out how to, you know, wrangle.
02:29:30.000But you know when people are just so delusional about the reality around them?
02:29:34.000And I'm like, I think the number of lies you tell yourself to get up in the morning is like the litany of lies you have to tell yourself to get through the day.
02:29:43.000Like, you know, this is where I think I've read the most about it, is when a parent, when a child has had any kind of abuse within the family, and a parent knows about it, but can't deal, like can't acknowledge that it happened, because it would just be too upset,
02:29:59.000angering to them, and so they're just like in denial about it.
02:30:02.000You know, like, I feel like we're in a little bit of a denial about the Catholic Church thing, because it's just...
02:30:53.000And in—I was trying to write a joke about this.
02:30:55.000I never could really—it made people too uncomfortable or something.
02:30:58.000I think I could crack it maybe for the next hour, but it was when a priest here molests a child, they just send him over to the Vatican to live there, and he's protected forever.
02:31:08.000And, like, I don't want to molest a kid, but, like, if I get a free trip to Italy, like, it feels kind of like an incentive.
02:31:16.000They're like, if you molest one kid, you get to live in Italy forever.
02:31:19.000Well, you have to live inside the Vatican and never leave.
02:31:23.000Ratzinger, the last pope, he can't leave the Vatican.
02:31:27.000That guy was wanted for crimes against humanity.
02:33:12.000Prior to 2001, the primary responsibility for investigating allegations of sexual abuse and disciplining the perpetrators rested with individual diocese.
02:33:22.000In 2001, Ratzinger convinced John Paul II to put the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in charge of all sexual abuse allegations.
02:33:34.000According to John L. Allen, Ratzinger in the following years acquired familiarity with the contours of the problem that virtually no other figure in the Catholic Church can claim.
02:33:45.000Driven by that encounter with what he would later refer to as filth in the Church, Ratzinger seems to have undergone something of a conversion experience throughout 2003-2004.
02:33:58.000From that point forward, He and his staff seem to be driven by a convert zeal to clean up the mess.
02:34:37.000Did you have much religion growing up at all?
02:34:40.000Yeah, for a little bit when I was young.
02:34:43.000I went to Catholic school for first grade.
02:34:45.000I look back at that, and I'm not trying to make a big statement about it, but I look back and I'm like, yeah, I went to Catholic school when I was younger, and there's something weird about realizing that you're kind of part of a sexy idea without knowing.
02:35:00.000Like, Catholic schoolgirl, that's such a thing.
02:35:03.000And before you even realize it, you're just like, you know, we'd always roll our skirts up and walk, and you're like, oh, I didn't even realize I was probably so looked at sexually before I even understood what it meant.
02:35:13.000Well, there was a narrative when I was in high school that girls that went to Catholic school were hornier.
02:37:00.000Utah lawmaker wants to raise legal marriage age to 18. Oh, what's it now?
02:37:09.000Okay, there have been thousands of underage marriages in the U.S. since the year 2000, and until recently, more than half of the states didn't set a limit on how young someone could get married if they met criteria like parental approval.
02:37:23.000But isn't if you're in the Mormon church...
02:38:02.000But these are the ones that get in trouble, right?
02:38:04.000Because you're not allowed to have polygamy in the United States.
02:38:07.000That's the whole reason why they have those Mormon cults in Mexico.
02:38:14.000It's called Under the Banner of Heaven, let's make sure I'm getting it right, the documentary, because I know that was also a book, but I think something interesting happens when documentaries come out exposing these things now, we all talk about it and we watch it, but I sort of feel like we think because a documentary was made about it, it was like exposed and like,
02:38:50.000Their dads give them to these older men and it's like a sign of like you move up like higher in the church.
02:38:57.000So, Under the Banner of Heaven is a true crime tale adapted by Milk writer Dustin Lawrence Lance Black from John Krakauer's non-fiction tome.
02:39:10.000The miniseries layers on some fictional elements to the story and has reignited criticism from members of The Church of Jesus Christ and Latter-day Saints for its portrayal of Mormons as violent and insular.
02:40:23.000She was in the Mormons until she was in her 40s and then she left the Mormons and now she like openly admits that she's vulnerable to like cults and different things because she just was so accepting of stuff.
02:42:49.000But the people keep practicing the same way?
02:42:52.000But do you think in your mind you really believe that?
02:42:55.000Or you're like, I just want to be able to marry young girls?
02:42:58.000Or in your mind you're like, this is actually what God wants.
02:43:00.000Like, are they that brainwashed or are they using that to just justify?
02:43:04.000It's shocking to me that someone wouldn't be more self-aware.
02:43:06.000Well, it's not written anywhere that God wants that.
02:43:08.000It's not written anywhere that God wants you to have 70-something wives.
02:43:11.000So these are people that are just using this to justify gross shit.
02:43:15.000I think that just ultimately happens when someone's running a cult.
02:43:18.000When you've got a bunch of people and they're living their lives based on you preaching at a pulpit and the way you're saying things and taking all their money and fucking their wives.
02:43:30.000That's a big part of all cults is sex.
02:43:33.000It's so anathema to, I think, comedian brains, because our thing is question everything.
02:43:37.000Even something you subscribe to, you constantly should question.
02:43:40.000If you're a Republican or Democrat, you should constantly be questioning your own party and the other party.
02:43:44.000It's so weird to me to just be like, oh yeah, this guy's in power.
02:44:23.000She started this cult, just kind of not a doctor, not a scientist.
02:44:28.000And it's the kind of thing where you're like, oh, if someone wants to be a part of this or doesn't see through it, maybe they should be here.
02:45:02.000People that are broken just kind of being magnetically attracted to someone who is like a narcissist who's going to promise them, like, I'm going to fix you.
02:45:10.000But when someone tells you that they know how to fix you, that's always, like, super compelling to people.
02:45:23.000Like, there's not a lot of cult leaders that have—I mean, like, who's—like, I feel like it never ends well.
02:45:30.000Like, the jig is going to be up eventually because you're also basically attracting a lot of really mentally ill people that are going to turn on you at some point.
02:45:38.000It's a dangerous group of people to have around.
02:45:41.000They can be very loyal, but when they turn on you, they're going to spend their whole life, you know, dedicated to taking you down because of that vengeance, that sort of need— And this teal swan lady, did they take her down?
02:45:54.000The documentary filmmakers followed her for three years, pretending they were, like, into her.
02:46:57.000But she's kind of trying to do the version that's not professional, which is that whatever your biggest trauma was, you were molested, you were raped, you were whatever.
02:47:56.000Because of whatever power of suggestion or whatever you already predisposed to sort of be weak and, you know, or you want to, whatever the reason.
02:48:05.000And then the person that acted, I acted as your dad, and this person acted as your mom, they go like, I felt like there was vibes of like, I wanted to, like, I think I've molested you before.
02:49:09.000I think that church, having grown up with a lot of, like, religion around me, my mom's side of the family is from a place called Sherman, Texas.
02:49:58.000You don't have to get kids all these clothes.
02:50:00.000There's all this confusion about what to, you know, it just makes things kind of easier for parents on some level.
02:50:06.000I think that in general, humans are vulnerable in both ways.
02:50:10.000Like, I think about this a lot, that humans are, and you're going to, Probably have a lot to add to this, which is that we're kind of only superficially at the top of the food chain.
02:50:41.000I think subconsciously, like, we're aware that we're on borrowed time and that we're so much more fragile than we think.
02:50:48.000And I think that that connects to our brain as well.
02:50:50.000And I think the idea of having any kind of protection, even if it's false, whether it's a cult and we're all a family, and I think is something that's really attractive to people because it makes them feel like they have strength in numbers or are a part of a tribe and have some kind of protection.
02:51:56.000I'm going to alleviate you of all your anxiety.
02:51:58.000Because one of the things, there's someone, I forget who I was reading this, they were saying that one of the things about human beings, we have anxiety because anxiety is future problem solving.
02:52:08.000So we think about things and problems that we're going to have in the future.
02:52:10.000Well, someone comes along and says, I've got all the answers.
02:52:13.000They can alleviate you of that anxiety.
02:52:15.000And all you have to do is have this willingness to believe.
02:52:56.000Like the Wall Street Journal just wrote a bullshit hit piece about Elon where, you know, they said that he was having sex with the Google chief's wife.
02:53:54.000But like, you know, whenever people are like, the negative comments I'm getting, people are so disgusting now, I'm like, I, like, humans have always participated and gotten entertainment out of, like, schadenfreude.
02:54:05.000Like, the Roman Coliseum, people used to go to public hangings, like, for entertainment.
02:54:15.000Well, what Twitter is, is people saying things where you could read it, where they've always said.
02:54:20.000Whenever someone has been successful or something's gone on in the news, people have always had hot takes on it.
02:54:25.000At the barber shop, at the fucking beauty salon, at the gym.
02:54:28.000People have always talked about it, but now they're talking about it in typed form, and they're putting it out on Twitter, and it goes out in the world.
02:54:36.000It's fascinating to think about that and just like all the fears like fear of robots like there was also remember I was reading something about the fear of trains like when trains first started people were thought that they would get electrocuted they'd be infertile if they rode on a train they had the same irrational technophobia fears with them I mean it's obviously a small group of people you know elevators you know like when new technology comes it does feel weird.
02:54:59.000There's a lot of people that are scared of AirPods, right?
02:55:02.000They're worried about the EMF signals and maybe they're right.
02:55:05.000Or maybe it's just going to be like what trains back then, they thought that if you go more than 35 miles an hour, you fucking compress and explode.
02:55:13.000Remember in, I guess this was, I don't know, late 90s, I mean, The Simpsons.
02:56:05.000Can you imagine before rap was around, like gangster rap, and then all of a sudden it comes around, like NWA and Ice-T and all that shit, and you're like, what?
02:59:09.000Well, I think they were trying to stop that from happening.
02:59:14.000They wanted a relationship where the fan pays 20 bucks and they get the 20 bucks, not the fan pays 40 bucks and Ticketmaster gets 20 bucks and they get 20 bucks.
02:59:24.000I heard Schultz just buy back their albums.
03:02:34.000The censorship thing is the most disturbing, right?
03:02:37.000Because you just don't want your thing to be watered down just because someone thinks they're going to make a couple extra bucks, if it is.
03:03:21.000When Comedy Central started sliding was when they went after Ari and they killed This Is Not Happening, which is one of the best shows they had on the network.
03:03:40.000And they said, if you do, we're going to cancel your show.
03:03:45.000Which is weird to me because I had a show at Amazon a couple years ago with Lisa Kudrow and Martin Short and Lee Daniels and all the actors.
03:03:54.000It was at Amazon and they were like, if you work at Amazon you can't do shows at Netflix or if you're at Netflix you can't do shows at Amazon.
03:04:00.000That's like the old studio system from the 20s when it was like Warner Brothers would buy Joe Rogan.
03:04:09.000But not only that, Netflix was paying Ari more.
03:04:14.000Comedy Central wanted to pay him less to do something on Comedy Central because he had a show on Comedy Central and they wanted him to stay on it.
03:04:23.000What else was nettling was I think the comedians for the longest time had this we should be so lucky thing.
03:04:31.000Well, whatever it is, just get any exposure, any ticket sales, because there were so few ways to get on TV that we took such garbage deals and didn't understand our own worth.
03:04:39.000So I remember just seeing, I think everyone had this experience where all of a sudden my Comedy Central specials were on Paramount Plus.
03:04:46.000And everyone's like, oh, and I'm like, cool.
03:04:47.000Like, I didn't even think to say, like, did I get paid for that?
03:05:06.000Not be cool about this because we will work for free and have no concept of what our value is because people have told us, like, you're a piece of shit for so long.
03:05:17.000But now I think comedians are starting to realize we have more power than we thought because we were so gaslit to believe, like, you know, we needed all these networks in order to make it.
03:06:32.000Do your best thing and then try to make it better.
03:06:35.000Don't ever think, like, how am I getting more people?
03:06:37.000Because then you're going to compromise yourself.
03:06:38.000You're going to change who you are in order to be more outrageous or more this or more that.
03:06:43.000And that shit becomes transparent to people.
03:06:45.000If they don't think you're really you, that drives them nuts.
03:06:49.000Well, I think what it is is I try to not, with the podcast, be, like, business-oriented.
03:06:53.000It's more like when you're like, oh, you need to tag certain things so you get in the algorithm.
03:06:57.000And, you know, like, I'll get advice like that, and I'm like, I'd rather just not get as many numbers and just have a good time and be authentic.
03:07:05.000I don't want to overthink YouTube by putting certain words in the caption that's going to make it pop up on the side.
03:07:10.000Like, I don't want to get into all that.
03:08:24.000I think that, you know, as I do so many other people's podcasts, I think, you know, doing other people's podcasts is a skill that you have to learn.
03:11:45.000It looks like you doing a regular set somewhere, as opposed to that one where your hair was down, you were really well made up and everything.
03:12:31.000Yeah, I was like worried about falling.
03:12:33.000I was like a fucking Bambi on ice, like a fucking idiot.
03:12:36.000And I really, yeah, I regret not just going, you know what, this is what I wear every night.
03:12:40.000I'm just going to wear the nicer version of what I wear every night.
03:12:43.000You know, I think of this, you know, I do like dressing up a little more because I find this whole thing where comedians just wear their pajamas at the win.
03:12:52.000Like, can you, would it kill you to put on a fucking, like, When Tony Hinchcliffe, Hans Kim, and Brian Simpson and I did the MGM last month, or this month rather, I guess it was this month.
03:13:22.000It was like, and Tony brought this up, he said it was like we had an outfit to change into.
03:13:26.000Like, we showed up dressed like this, like normal clothes, and then we got there and then we put on our work clothes, like we're ready to go to work.
03:14:28.000There's people that do that in big shows.
03:14:30.000They'll go on stage and not know what the fuck they're talking about.
03:14:33.000Do you think, because I have so much judgment about that, do you think, though, that their fans are like, oh, this is cool, I get to kind of see them?
03:17:18.000There's so much going on that you're like, oh, she's still killing even though people are having to do ten other things, you know, which is what I do love about the comedy store.
03:17:26.000It's so dark in that OR that you really can't do much else.
03:17:33.000Well, when we went to see you, that was like the first time I'd seen stand-up in a theater in a long time where just going to see somebody.
03:17:40.000Seeing Christina was like one of the first times I saw anybody in a club.
03:18:17.000It's weird, like, when we're on stage, I would love, like, maybe Huberman will do it, like, a study of what happens to our brain when you're performing, because I find that I get a more acute hearing when I'm on stage, but also get more deaf.
03:18:29.000I wonder what, if, like, you could put, like, sensors on the brain and hook it up to, like, an fMRI machine and have people, like, have your brain functions monitored.
03:18:41.000Because you are, you know, where did I read that the reason people are so afraid of public speaking is that like on a reptile brain, it used to be in tribal times, if you were talking to a crowd, it meant you were like defending yourself.
03:23:12.000That's the narcissist's dream that everybody who likes you is amazing and everybody who likes everybody else is an asshole and a moron.
03:23:19.000If you watch someone generalize about the kind of people that like someone that they don't like, I guarantee you that person has some serious narcissistic tendencies.
03:23:32.000It's so wild to me because I grew up in a house that was like, yes, definitely had rough spots, but my dad was, like, brilliant.
03:23:41.000And his whole thing with me was I think that he didn't really know how to attune to having a daughter.
03:23:46.000Like, it was, like, a little awkward in a way.
03:23:49.000But I think he was trying to prepare me for the world and make me, like, smart enough to deal with the adversity that he, like, felt like was coming because he didn't feel like he could arm me physically, you know?
03:23:59.000And he always said he was like the sign of an intelligent person is someone who can argue the other side.
03:24:16.000I always try to look at other people's perspectives.
03:24:19.000It's hard to do sometimes, especially if that person doesn't like you or they don't like what you like or they're ideologically opposed to what you like.
03:24:29.000Unless someone's molesting kids or whatever.
03:25:56.000And if someone is, you know, an officer, I just come from a place where you, even if you disagree with someone and think they're a bad person, you're fucking garbage.
03:26:09.000It's just an easy way for people to get out of being intelligent and get out of, like, having to form a rational debate, having to form a rational argument against whatever that person's point is, just ad hominem attack them.