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00:01:20.000And so I think you're going to see the pandemic almost, like, split it to be like, all right, who, like, did whatever they had to do to do shows where they did them outside?
00:01:29.000They, you know, just try to stay funny during the pandemic.
00:03:54.000It can't be this trick that's kind of like, I'll trick you to get in the door, But then you can go watch it.
00:04:00.000I see it with like, there's some, you know, you see people on Instagram, and I don't know them, but some of them are like these rappers, and they have like 5 million followers or something, and you're like, is this guy, or is he like super famous or something?
00:04:14.000And then, but you're like, I don't know if he is, like I don't, I think it's like he's famous on Instagram.
00:04:20.000He's famous for people watching that, but you're like, I don't know if this guy's selling tickets.
00:04:25.000And I don't know, I'm sure it's more than just...
00:04:28.000I've just seen a couple of the rappers.
00:04:30.000I started following one, because I was curious to be like, what's this dude's life?
00:04:36.000Like, you know, you just want to watch him.
00:04:38.000He's doing some, you know, they're doing rock venues, and they're doing all this, and there are millions of followers, and they have all the stuff, the watches, and you're like, I'm just like, is this guy, is it, you know, they sell, is that guy going to sell out Madison Square Garden?
00:05:26.000Yeah, and that's like the whole process when you put out a special of developing new material and then making sure that it's up to snuff and then recording again.
00:05:37.000How many years, what is your process in terms of how much time do you do in between specials?
00:05:43.000This one, I taped the last one in 2020 because it came out in early 21 and I'm taping the next one in September in Phoenix.
00:06:12.000I did 2014, 16, and 18. Yeah, I think that's the one.
00:06:15.000And then I was gonna do 20, but then the pandemic hit, and I really didn't do stand-up for quite a while, and then I realized that when I started doing stand-up again, Having a little bit more time with the material really made it tighten up more.
00:06:31.000I feel like everything is way tighter now.
00:06:34.000This set, it's also working in Texas, because we've been doing these regular sets at Vulcan, Vulcan Gas Company, and Creek in the Cave.
00:06:44.000So I'm headlining all the time, so I'm doing an hour.
00:06:48.000So instead of doing 15-minute sets, I'm doing all this material, so it's very tight, and I've just been doing it a lot over and over again.
00:06:55.000And then I've been touring on the weekends, so I've been doing arenas and theaters and comedy clubs, like all these different kinds of venues on purpose, like different size venues.
00:07:31.000So I have this hour, and then I have, you know, the B-side stuff that I can, like, build up and turn into, like, A-bits.
00:07:39.000And so, like, once I abandon this special and put it out, I'll have stuff to work with.
00:07:45.000Yeah, I'm a big, I believe the road is, I think you write more on the road.
00:07:50.000Because when you have more time on stage, you can, you're just not as like, you know, like doing sets and doing spots are like, that's how you get stuff tight.
00:07:59.000And that's what you need at the beginning is to learn how to be tight.
00:08:03.000But, you know, if you go do, when you go back to New York, you do 10 minute spots and you're like, well, I feel like I got a murder.
00:08:09.000Like, you can't, like, sit for a second.
00:08:27.000And when you start doing, I've noticed from going to clubs to theaters, like, when I first started headlining at clubs, it was, I mean, doing 45 minutes was tough.
00:08:39.000Talking that long like you're like I've never You're just like how do people even do you hit 35 minutes and you're like I'm out of everything I've done every closer I've ever come up with and so now you're just trying to get out of the set and then the longer you do it then you start getting in theaters and I'm not a big I don't move around a lot like all this but like you do you just like everything just expands Because there's more people,
00:09:38.000And the only way to get the sense of the right way to do it is to do that hour.
00:09:42.000And I think that fucks guys when they only do the city, and then they try to go on the road and headline, and you see them in their fucking hotel room in a panic with stacks of notes, trying to piece their act together.
00:09:58.000I love making stuff really go into the next thing.
00:10:03.000That's how you remember your act, is you're like, well, the only thing that could come after this is this.
00:10:08.000I'm talking about my kid, then I'm talking about my wife.
00:10:11.000Well, they go together, and so you put them together, and then you put all this stuff together.
00:10:16.000And that's the aspect of creating a show.
00:10:19.000If you see young comics or even young entertainers, that's why it's like, do an act.
00:10:25.000You've got to create, even in a five minute thing, at least have a system that you're like, I'm starting with this, I'm going to close with this, and I'm going to try to make them You know, make it seem like I'm not going in between each thing.
00:10:38.000Unless you're one of those non-sequitur guys.
00:10:40.000I've always felt like those guys have the hardest job.
00:10:43.000Like the Mitch Hedberg types or the Stephen Wright types.
00:10:46.000Those guys who just do, here's another joke, here's another joke.
00:12:50.000And then you went on afterwards, no curse words, Like, you just took control of the room and started telling your stories, and it was great, man.
00:14:28.000Like when you're going on after killers and you have to establish that you know what you're doing, like the audience has to get some confidence in you.
00:14:34.000If you're following some- the worst people to follow are- they don't really have them anymore, they're kind of rare now, but music acts.
00:15:53.000Because if you follow something, an act like that, or someone that murders or something, it might take a couple jokes, even if they're good jokes, just to reset the room and then be like, alright, now I got you.
00:16:19.000On any night, you're following just assassins.
00:16:23.000I remember I was doing a Tonight Show, and I was going to go run it at Gotham in New York.
00:16:30.000And this was when Louis was hosting SNL. And so I was going to get a go up first, and then Louis came in to run his SNL set that he was going to do on SNL, and I had to follow that.
00:16:41.000Which ended up being fine, but that set that he did was unbelievable.
00:17:08.000So you have to learn stuff like I learned then like that you just I would walk up like I obviously the show is peaked and like it's enough to get a laugh Right to set you know to be like yeah yeah we get what we all just saw right let me just try to get back into and then just do your act When I was living in LA in the 90s,
00:17:26.000I had to follow Richard Pryor five weeks in a row, five or six weeks in a row, and it was when Richard Pryor was dying.
00:18:43.000So they would come back on stage and grab Richard Pryor, and then the piano man would be like, who was Jeff Scott, rest in peace, and he would go...
00:18:52.000Richard Pryor, ladies and gentlemen, and now, please welcome Joe Rogan!
00:18:59.000I'm pretty sure it was in the 90s, because I remember I was in my 20s, and I was just like, what am I doing following Richard Pryor?
00:27:26.000I mean, I saw Burr, Patrice, like, that's where I saw all those guys, and I went to their HBO One Night Stand tapings, and you saw them run sets, and you saw them, like, you know, everybody kind of come up.
00:27:35.000Louis was probably the biggest, like, but still wasn't insanely Louis yet, but was, like, the one.
00:27:44.000Burr was, like, the one that you're watching, and he's, like, the first guy that you're, like, I can't, like, you know, we'd go watch him at Carolinas, and no one was there.
00:28:51.000I just saw a clip today with Chris talking about New Jack City, saying that when him and Ice-T were reading lines at the table, and they didn't have, I guess, a star, and it was for Wesley Snipes, and then they got Wesley Snipes, and Wesley Snipes wasn't,
00:29:24.000You know, and that was, like, you know, and that's Chris Rock and Ice-T, who are, you know, are not Chris Rock and Ice-T. And then you're, and they're even, like, oh, that's, they're just dudes reading at a table.
00:29:36.000And then they see Wesley Snipes, they're like, oh, man, this movie's about to be huge.
00:30:41.000Wesley Snipes was about to go to jail for taxes.
00:30:43.000And they were trying to figure out a way to make money.
00:30:46.000And they came to this guy, Campbell McLaren, who was one of the original producers of the UFC. And they wanted Wesley Snipes to fight Jean-Claude Van Damme.
00:32:26.000It's the fact that I'd competed, the fact that I was pretty good at striking.
00:32:31.000And it was also like, if I got a hold of him, if I grab him, he's dead.
00:32:35.000I was like, if a brown belt in jiu-jitsu who's really strong gets a hold of you and you're the same size as him, he's actually a little smaller than me.
00:32:42.000So if I got a hold of him, he would have been fucked.
00:33:54.000So I'd go in with Rob Kamen in the mornings, who was a legendary Holland kickboxer, and I would train with him, and he was taking me through his striking system, and I was sparring and kickboxing.
00:34:06.000And then after I did that, I would go to jiu-jitsu at night.
00:35:05.000Because fighting is not something, first of all, it's not something you're going to do great Your first fight back, because I would have fought and I would have said, ah, my timing was off.
00:35:14.000I felt like I got a little too nervous.
00:35:16.000The more active you are if you're competing, the more you get comfortable with competing, so the more it feels like a normal thing.
00:35:24.000Daniel Cormier was actually just talking about that in one of the past UFCs about a guy that had taken two years off because he had a significant injury and there was a bunch of other shit that happened.
00:40:16.000And I did one weekend, and it was so much fun, but then I got really high, and I thought, what if I got COVID and gave it to one of my guests?
00:40:25.000And even though I was testing, Every day.
00:41:06.000And the positive people that got sent home, you know.
00:41:09.000Maybe a half dozen or so during the course of all of our shows, but for the most part, people, you know, you know if you're sick, you know if you're not feeling good, and most people are responsible, and it was all outside anyway, and there's no outside transmission, really, and so we had these fucking amazing shows,
00:41:26.000and it felt so special that we were doing shows outside during the pandemic, And you know, it's Donnell Rawlings, it's me, Mo Ammer, Michelle Wolf.
00:41:37.000I mean, these were great fucking shows.
00:42:46.000And then I'm up after him and he comes off stage and he grabs him by my shoulders and he goes, whatever we gotta do, we're fucking doing this again.
00:44:05.000Once we started doing that, I said, okay, well, I'm just gonna, like, really take care of myself and, you know, just fucking go back to doing shows.
00:44:28.000Well, that was one of the things that really sold my kids on Texas.
00:44:31.000When we came out here, I was just disillusioned with LA, and I was very confused as to what the fuck they were doing.
00:44:39.000And when they wouldn't let people do outside shows, and they wouldn't let restaurants open, they wouldn't even let restaurants serve outside in some places.
00:45:30.000And my fucking kids, when they came here, and you know, they were 10 and 12 at the time, and they were like, why doesn't anyone have masks on?
00:46:08.000And I go, let's buy a fucking house here.
00:46:10.000If you don't like it, we could try it out for a year.
00:46:13.000And then it became, let's try it out for a year.
00:46:15.000And then as soon as we lived here, my kids immediately loved it.
00:46:21.000Like they made friends, like normal kids.
00:46:23.000Like normal kids that don't want to be fucking reality TV stars.
00:46:28.000Well, I think that's the biggest, is to get around regular people.
00:46:32.000I've been back in Nashville for seven years, I think, where I'm from, and our daughter, we moved back when she was two, but it's like my family's there, and she goes to school, and she rides the bus.
00:46:55.000Luckily, I'm from Nashville, and Nashville has become an awesome town to move to.
00:47:00.000Our daughter goes to school, rides a bus.
00:47:02.000It's trying to let her have the most normal existence.
00:47:08.000I think it's good for comics, because I'm doing normal things.
00:47:13.000It's like you're not thinking about the business the whole time.
00:47:19.000Even though you do think about it, but it's not as...
00:47:22.000You're like, yeah, I still gotta go run, you know, we go watch her play softball, and then we go do this, and then, you know, and it just makes it, I think it just helps for your material.
00:47:33.000It also, like, it lets your material be pure, in that it's just really who you are and what you, and I never really had a problem with that, but I know some people who Would be hoping that they would get on a sitcom or hoping they would,
00:50:03.000I think it's, yeah, it is interesting to, like when I went to, I lived in L.A. for two years, and then it was like going auditions and I just was terrible at them.
00:50:15.000I can only talk like this, and I don't know how to not do this.
00:50:19.000I remember getting a call back somewhere, and she was like, if you dyed your beard and hair just black, you would look young enough.
00:50:27.000And then I go back to the call back, still looking like this.
00:50:29.000And I think I was like, oh, you wanted me to do this for the call back.
00:51:15.000I didn't think about any of this at the time.
00:51:17.000That shit they do on your face though, I know that guys have put that like, I don't know if it's Just For Men or some other company, they put stuff on their beard and it gives them a chemical burn on their face.
00:52:23.000I know some guys who have toupees and you're like, damn, I can't even tell.
00:52:27.000I guess it's called a lace front, where the front, like your hairline, I can see through to your scalp, and that's how it looks in the beginning, and then the rest of it is all filled in.
00:53:06.000As someone who's dyed their hair before, you are supposed to check your skin to see if you have an allergic reaction before you do everything.
00:57:56.000Well, I think it was probably sometimes bad.
00:58:00.000And those sometimes bad moments, when you rack them up over 14 years or whatever the fuck it was she was doing her show, that looks horrible.
00:59:12.000And if you don't, like you said, if you don't self audit, if you don't realize this is crazy, that's what I was like, you gotta have like, I got a lot, I still talk to like all my high school buddies and stuff like that, but you need people that are going to be regular people.
00:59:24.000So you can't, if you're like, hey, do you want to go to Alaska tomorrow?
00:59:28.000And you need someone that's like, I got like a job and stuff and like my family and I can't.
00:59:31.000You know, that's insane that you're wanting to go do something like that.
01:02:15.000Like, I've seen a lot of comics that they come up, and they're, I mean, like, really be doing spots, like, you're like, it's not like it's like someone half doing it.
01:02:38.000I learned like, all right, well I'm gonna have to either write a show for myself or just be a stand-up and like just be this because I'm not, I don't do well trying to be someone else or I'm doing these auditions.
01:03:58.000It was an interesting situation, though, because the guys who wrote it...
01:04:03.000They were really, Jeff and Kevin, Jeff Martin and Kevin Curran, I think that was their names, really funny guys who wrote on The Simpsons, and they wrote on Married with Children, and they were really funny.
01:04:16.000But they were like kind of introvert writer guys who were really cool and just like kind of nerdy, but fucking great writers.
01:05:59.000So it's like, you know, sometimes something like that will happen and you think it's the fucking end of the world, but for Ray it was like the greatest thing that could have ever happened to him because then he went on to do his own thing and it was fucking brilliant.
01:06:51.000You're like, how do you not put those?
01:06:53.000I thought someone said on Twitter once, you have a channel that's like a pilot channel, and you're just like, these are the shows that didn't go.
01:07:54.000And then the showrunners have to meet with the executives, and the executives want to bring in a gay friend, and they want to bring in a handsome guy, and there's all these different pieces that get shoved into the mix.
01:08:48.000Everything kind of does have to come together, but they get in...
01:08:52.000You know, the one I shot was a multicam, and so they always wanted to do a multicam.
01:08:58.000I would always take out multicams or write multicams, because in theory, they want to do these multicams because they're cheaper and all this stuff.
01:09:07.000But then you're going to pitch it to someone that's not watching a multicam.
01:09:11.000They don't watch it, so they're watching...
01:09:14.000All these, you know, single-camera shows or everything that's cool.
01:09:18.000So then they see the multicam because their business side of their minds wants this cheap way to make a show.
01:09:24.000But then when they go to make the decision, they're like, well, I don't like that, the way it looks or something.
01:09:28.000You're like, I'm doing this because you told me to write it this way.
01:13:05.000If you're like, well, we're at the comic store, we're working out, you're like, they audience paid, and they're spending a lot of money to come out.
01:13:13.000I'm sorry you're not at Madison Square Garden at the moment, but this is, when is it enough that you go and do your act?
01:13:23.000And go do, and actually, you know, I don't know.
01:13:57.000When you want to watch something, you're like, I love Narcos, but I haven't watched it last season because you're just like, I don't, I mean, I love it so much, but you're like, I can't dive into 10 hours.
01:15:22.000You got to think, TGIF, when that was on, that was about you and your family going around and watching TV and watching all of Friday night.
01:19:29.000Wild people stuck in cubicles that make the most ruthless and funny memes and they say ridiculous shit and they almost caused the insurrection of the Capitol.
01:20:01.000And it's all about these people that get duped by these people pretending to be insiders in the Trump administration and saying how they're going to take down all the pedophiles and...
01:20:13.000You know, Trump is running some secret covert operation, and he's gonna bring down the swamp, and they all bought into it hook, line, and sinker, and it leads up to the January 6th insurrection.
01:23:00.000I guess you're going to be appealed to it more and more as you grow up in this world.
01:23:05.000I think for people it's a way to communicate without any boundaries, completely being uncensored and without any repercussions because they're uncensored.
01:23:16.000Like I remember there was this one guy that was posting a bunch of wild shit, awful shit on 4chan and then people found out who he was and he got fired from his job.
01:23:27.000And he was just a normal guy, and his take was like, hey, that's not really me.
01:23:33.000This is like, I'm almost like playing a character.
01:24:28.000Now that I'm thinking about it, I think the guy might have done something really shitty.
01:24:31.000I think he might have doxxed someone or something, and then they got rid of him.
01:24:36.000But it's just, people think that that's...
01:24:40.000You know, you have, like, an opportunity to just be free of expectations, you know, because, like, oh, you're Mike, you know, the fucking general manager of the fucking muffler shop, but meanwhile you're on 4chan posting pictures of giant black dicks and fucking...
01:25:14.000I mean, maybe some of those people have those real thoughts.
01:25:17.000Maybe some of those people are just, you know, playing.
01:25:22.000They're having fun pretending to be complete fucking assholes.
01:25:26.000And then mixed in are real sociopaths, real psychos who gravitate towards this and are trying to find the most disturbing images of mass murder and throw those up too.
01:25:38.000So do you think there will ever be a phase where you have online real identity?
01:25:44.000I think that will probably come about when there's no more privacy, which I think is on the way.
01:25:52.000I think privacy is going to go out the window.
01:25:57.000I think that is the general direction where online life and technology are headed, to the point where everyone has access to almost everything.
01:26:08.000If you're doing it online, I think everyone's going to have access to it.
01:26:14.000And it's going to be very difficult to hide behind fake identities and things like that.
01:26:21.000That can make you, like, that stuff, you know, it's like, I feel like the older you get to, like, you start thinking, like, you're seeing people, like, you don't want to live in a city, you want to live, like, away from, you know, like, land, like, you want to buy, you know, I think about that more now,
01:26:36.000like, you're just like, I want to buy some land somewhere.
01:27:10.000Just sit there and have my lunch out there with birds chirping and shit and just relax.
01:27:16.000Relax, and don't be inundated by external information constantly, which is what most of us are, especially if you're on your phone all day.
01:27:23.000You're just inundated with external information.
01:28:32.000You know, you did this, and you said that, and fuck you, and you should go to jail, and we should try him for treason, and this person should fucking...
01:28:58.000A small tiny group of people that are just living this world.
01:29:01.000The majority of them are just like when you go do live shows and you're like, yeah, dude, people are just going out.
01:29:07.000People are just going out to shows and they love shows and they have fun and whatever city that you think could be left or right or whatever it is, the crowds are awesome and they're excited to be there and it's just fun.
01:29:18.000And then it's the acknowledgement of like But all these people are saying all this...
01:29:24.000It doesn't matter what they're saying.
01:29:25.000That website's saying that, so don't go look at that website.
01:29:50.000But if you get the whole country That's millions of people.
01:29:54.000Like, if you have one out of, you know, one out of a hundred, and then you have 300 million people, you got three million fucking crazy people.
01:30:03.000And if they're on social media, and they're complaining on Facebook, and you read their fucking posts like, ugh, you'll think this is the whole world.
01:30:26.000I think it's very bad for your anxiety and your psyche.
01:30:29.000It's a shit way to communicate, because even if you were talking to a person, I firmly believe that if you were talking to a person that you really disagreed with, but you were civil and calm and peaceful, and you talked to them in a normal way, you could probably avoid any kind of name-calling and shit.
01:30:49.000It's things that people do when they don't see your face, they're not looking at you, they don't feel bad if they insult you, and they just do it like they're just sending a fucking carrier pigeon off with this.
01:32:49.000And one thing that I found out, well, I had a bit about it, about one thing you find, one thing you don't find when you go looking for Bigfoot is black people.
01:33:00.000You just find a bunch of unfuckable white dudes out there hunting for Bigfoot.
01:33:04.000You're more likely to find Bigfoot than you are black people looking for Bigfoot.
01:33:10.000They have not bought into that nonsense.
01:36:07.000It's like a Blair Witch Project type movie about these guys who go, this guy and his girlfriend or wife go to try to find Bigfoot on the anniversary of the Patterson footage,
01:36:24.000which is like the most famous Bigfoot, fake Bigfoot footage.
01:36:29.000They film it, they're doing a fun sort of documentary type thing, and then they have an encounter.
01:36:47.000He made a couple really fucking good movies.
01:36:52.000Like there was one shakes the clown that was like about an alcoholic crazy clown It was really funny like really like dark movie and then he made another one about something America God bless America.
01:37:06.000Yeah, that that is another fucking wild crazy movie from 2011 He made a couple fucking really good movies man Really underrated director, but Willow Creek is my favorite.
01:39:39.000There's a video that is impossible to ignore.
01:39:42.000There's some things that are impossible to ignore.
01:39:44.000And then there's eyewitness testimonies of people who are rock solid, totally dependable fighter pilots who have seen some things.
01:39:54.000The best examples is this guy, Commander David Fravor, who was off the coast of San Diego in 2004. And this is corroborated by multiple points of data.
01:40:04.000They had this tracking system that tracks things above Earth's atmosphere, and they found this thing went from above 60,000 feet above sea level to 50 feet above sea level in less than a second.
01:40:18.000They have no idea how it's doing this.
01:40:28.000It blocked their tracking systems, rather.
01:40:30.000And then it jetted off at an impossible rate of speed.
01:40:34.000And then the Nimitz relocated this thing at their cat point.
01:40:39.000The cat point is where the fighter pilots, when they're doing this test, they're doing this exercise, they were supposed to meet at this very specific point.
01:41:08.000Sometimes I think maybe it's some sort of government drone that's so sophisticated and it's totally top secret.
01:41:16.000And if we ever go to war with China, that's when they're going to break it out.
01:41:19.000And then sometimes I think what they are is something that's monitoring us and making sure we don't blow ourselves up.
01:41:25.000Making sure that we make this journey from territorial apes with thermonuclear weapons into some sort of an advanced intergalactic society.
01:41:35.000And that there's a very crucial moment where the instincts of these tribal people, which is all of us, all human beings, Tribal, territorial people where you have to keep them from sabotaging any possible future progress by blowing themselves up,
01:41:55.000by killing each other, by destroying the earth.
01:41:57.000What if we talk to them and then when you say that, they go, yeah, that was it.
01:42:44.000I think if they were going to attack us, they would have already done it.
01:42:47.000If they really could do all those things, they could probably take out our power grid pretty easy.
01:42:53.000Apparently, the stories are that they're able to shut down nuclear launches and nuclear facilities.
01:43:00.000And that they do that, and they hover over military bases, and that they just shut everything down just to let you know, hey bitch, you know, I can just flip that switch, so don't get too fucking squirrely out there, you weirdos.
01:43:12.000That's so crazy to think that they, yeah.
01:43:15.000Because I always think about it, if you did, if you lost everything, electricity, I mean, it just shuts everything down.
01:43:21.000Then if everything gets shut down everywhere, then it's a wrap.
01:43:25.000Well, if we went out, if the power went out in this country for two weeks, it would be full, complete, total chaos.
01:43:31.000All the work that's been done back to zero.
01:43:34.000Back to very dangerous times because there'd be very little food within a few days.
01:43:41.000If we had no refrigeration, no air conditioning, and no shipping, it would be very bad very quickly.
01:43:50.000There'd be a few people living on ranches that know how to survive, and a few people that know how to hunt and fish and have a good supply.
01:44:00.000See, that's what makes me want to, you know, there's part of me that wants to go learn, A, how to survive.
01:44:06.000Like, when you get into hiking, like, getting into, and hiking I know is not surviving, but I've started watching more stuff that lead, you know, that talk about surviving, or people go hunting.
01:44:17.000I watch, like, well, I was listening to bear attacks, because I just got, like, once I heard about that grizzly bear, then I just go down, I just listen to only bear attacks.
01:45:10.000I always thought that, not compared to stand-up comedy, but in a way with stand-up was like at the beginning, like you put all the focus on a comedy club.
01:45:36.000Like George Wallace, who's fucking hilarious.
01:45:38.000George Wallace got a residency in Vegas when he was a top touring comic.
01:45:42.000He had a big name, he had been on television a bunch of times, and he got this residency in Vegas and he was there for a long fucking time.
01:45:51.000And then he goes on the road now and it's not commensurate.
01:45:57.000His audience is not at the level that they should be.
01:46:01.000And it's just because he spent so much time doing this residency instead of being like Brian Regan or some of these other guys who tour of his massive following all over the country.
01:46:11.000He doesn't have that anymore because he put all his eggs in that one basket.
01:48:40.000They're touring on their own, and maybe they have an opening act, or maybe they use a local act to open for them, but they don't have a community.
01:48:47.000It's one of the things I try to enforce in these guys coming up.
01:48:50.000I'm like, man, your community is everything.
01:49:45.000Like when you become a real professional comic, like you can be a professional comic in the process, like you're almost doing an apprenticeship, you're a middle act, you're a host, you're kind of a professional comic and then you're paying your bills.
01:51:28.000You just want to go sit there and just, you trash each other, you trash someone, and then you're, and it's, and that's, that's what people lost with that COVID. They were not around that.
01:51:36.000And it was, you realize like, oh, I got to go be around this dude or I'm going to lose everything.
01:51:42.000And then people lose it when they leave.
01:51:44.000You know, New York had it when I, like I was there and it was so much, but then you leave and you start touring, you start headlining.
01:51:49.000It's very easy to be like, you could go, oh, I haven't seen anybody.
01:51:59.000And it promotes this sort of alienation and these feelings of anxiety that I think got really ramped up during COVID with a lot of people, unfortunately.
01:52:09.000You need to be around people that see through you.
01:52:12.000So if you're being funny with your friends that are not comics, it's like, well, they know you're the comic and they're watching kind of a show.
01:52:18.000You need to be funny with your friends that are a comic that are like, you're like, dude, well, you're the worst.
01:53:24.000I know, I think it does, but I would be, if I got an email, like I'm trying to think for my neighbors, and we're friends with their neighbors, if they emailed me, I'd be like, what are you doing, dude?
01:54:42.000So you want to make them, because if you're like, I know that they're going to be uncomfortable, I feel like as comics, you just kind of, you got to go to the underdog.
01:57:12.000It's very satisfying when it's like that because it's you know I've learned you know like you end up you starting to meet like you meet famous people or you and like you so you start thinking about you like dude this is gonna be a whole thing like I got a you know yeah you're great like all you know and you just end up sometimes being like I would rather just not meet them Because I just don't want to...
01:59:25.000Like you can tell Sometimes you go to venues and you can see, I feel like you walk by people that work there and they're not looking at you and you're like, did someone tell you not to look at you?
02:00:43.000But that's that thing where someone who is at a higher echelon of success will only associate with people that are in that range or that he thinks should associate with him.
02:03:13.000With, yeah, with, uh, I've opened for Chris, and I went on the road with Chris, so it's, I know Soder's, and I, I, and I, but I understand where Soder's coming from.
02:03:23.000That's like one of those, you're like, yeah, dude, I would probably feel the, I mean, I felt the same way with Louis, I would feel the same way Soder feels.
02:03:28.000And then I've been around Chris where you're like, I don't feel that.
02:03:31.000And I feel like he's a comic that wants to hang out.
02:03:33.000And like, I think he's a dude, that dude's been famous for so long too, that like, if you're in a circle, I think he's like one of the best, if not the best ever.
02:04:56.000And he went in and I was like with Chris you can see like he gets like a zone in his eyes where you can just tell like he's not really looking at anybody.
02:06:06.000There's always that drop-off point with a lot of great comics.
02:06:10.000They'll have a couple really good specials, and then they'll have one that's not that good, and then they'll have another one that's not that good, and you're like, ooh, is he falling off?
02:06:19.000I feel like you need to be an underdog.
02:06:42.000And then maybe you get too big to a point to where now they're there.
02:06:47.000And if you're not aware of it, like they said, like the self-audit, or if you're constantly just reminding yourself that you're not, like, almost like you're on stage, you're like, dude, I'm nobody.
02:07:27.000And then you need that back to like, and almost like with, not saying Chris was at that point, but like the resurgence of now he's a true, he had that happen at the Oscars.
02:07:38.000So now everybody's going to be like expecting a lot from him.
02:07:44.000If he comes and does something whatever, it's like, I mean, it's not, there's no payback, there's no nothing.
02:08:12.000The motivation that makes you, you know, Sinbad said that, I remember reading a book, and he's talking about, he's like, it's hard to go, you ride, he was riding Greyhound buses to shows.
02:08:20.000And so Sinbad's, like, laughing with the bus driver, I mean, he's just, like, the most funny you could be, and you're in limos.
02:08:27.000Or something and then everything kind of changes and you lose that that hang where you lose that Perspective of like that kind of outside world and you think like well I walked to my show and my coffee wasn't Where I thought it was gonna be and then and you're like well,
02:08:43.000that's someone's job You're like you're like do you go?
02:08:46.000Well, all I do is ask for that to be right there.
02:08:49.000I don't think that's crazy Am I being crazy saying that I would like my coffee?
02:08:52.000Right on that stool when I walk past it, you know, and you don't go, what?
02:10:00.000And I mean, you still don't, I don't know if he's on, I don't think he's on social media.
02:10:03.000But then you're like, some of these like, you know, you see people and you're like, yeah, I shouldn't be like watching this guy go to the grocery store.
02:10:10.000Like he's, you know, maybe Tom Hanks or like there's just talking to you on Instagram.
02:10:15.000You're like, yeah, go be Tom Hanks, dude.
02:10:17.000I don't want to know what you're doing.
02:10:18.000I want you to be this kind of like, I see you at this movie and then I don't see you for three years.
02:10:26.000And sometimes they step out of that and it ruins it.
02:11:20.000I'm not saying everything has to be entertainment, but everything can't be a message.
02:11:26.000You have to have that balance, and you've got to make movies that are going to be an escape and go be fun.
02:11:32.000And, you know, I think it's like, we were talking a little bit last, it's like some of these guys, these celebrities or these people in movies, you're like, they're in every movie.
02:14:20.000And this is like, John Leguizamo made a post on Instagram the other day where he was talking about James Franco, because James Franco's playing Fidel Castro.
02:14:29.000And he's saying he shouldn't be playing someone who's Latin American.
02:14:34.000And then, you know, there was people that were upset and said, actually, he's half Portuguese, that's technically Latin.
02:14:40.000And he's like, no, we're talking about people from Latin America, like from that part of the country.
02:14:45.000And then he was saying that, People who are of Latino or Hispanic descent, they make up a certain percentage of the population, but they don't have a certain percentage of the roles.
02:14:58.000And he was saying, we should get more chances.
02:15:33.000They loved it because it was great, and they also loved it because it represented a significant portion of the population.
02:15:38.000But if you're a person making movies, you're not thinking that.
02:15:41.000You're thinking, this is my money, and I'm trying to make money, okay?
02:15:44.000We're in the business of making money in films, and if I'm making a big-ass fucking giant movie, I need stars, and I need someone who sells.
02:15:50.000And if it's John Leguizamo that sells all the time, or if it's fucking Brad Pitt that sells all the time, whoever the fuck that guy is that sells all the time, that's what they push.
02:15:58.000They're doing it to try to make money, and because those people are really good.
02:16:03.000It's not like there's- Yeah, they're awesome.
02:16:05.000But it's not like there's anybody who keeps getting chances and they suck.
02:17:59.000And some people achieve escape velocity.
02:18:02.000These Robert Downey Jr. guys, these Matthew McConaughey guys who can kind of just be separated from it and trying to live a normal life and then go in there and make these crazy fucking blockbuster movies and then get the fuck out.
02:18:15.000And there's only a few people that can do that.
02:19:03.000If we found out that someone was playing a very famous Italian, whether it was Michelangelo or something like that, and then they got some dude from Holland to do it, I guarantee you, people in my family would be like, what the fuck is that?
02:24:54.000Jamie has a really good golf swing, and it's very impressive.
02:24:57.000If you watch someone who did not have a really good golf swing, and everyone was pretending he has a really good golf swing, he'd be like...
02:25:30.000But you could make a film where it was accurate, because the real story was so fucking crazy that you can make a depiction that would be terrifying.
02:25:40.000The absolute 100% proven real story was that guy killed 10% of the population.
02:25:52.000They find out that during that time, the carbon level, like people burning fires, decreased at a significant measurable percentage because there was less humans.
02:26:53.000Then they would capture people who fleed, and they would take those people and put them on the front of the line and march them forward like a human shield.
02:27:01.000And that's how they would get into some of the castles.
02:27:05.000That's how they would get into some of the cities.
02:27:34.000But even the way they tell a story, if you had those same cameras, if you had actors and screenwriters of today, they would make something better than that.
02:27:43.000Yeah, I mean, it's somewhat a new art form.
02:27:55.000But the world has changed so much that if you wanted to have a Genghis Khan movie, first of all, you'd have to have a Mongolian guy play Genghis Khan.
02:28:15.000Weren't war movies probably, this is something I don't know, I'm trying to make a guess, like Apocalypse Now, around then, that probably changed a lot of the filmmaking then, but we have to be more historically accurate now.
02:28:25.000I think that's way earlier than Apocalypse Now.
02:32:30.000I'm Apache, and I am president of the National Native American Affirmative Image Committee.
02:32:36.000I'm representing Marlon Brando this evening, and he has asked me to tell you in a very long speech, which I cannot share with you presently because of time, but I will be glad to share with the press afterwards, that he very regretfully cannot accept This very generous award.
02:32:57.000And the reasons for this being are the treatment of American Indians today by the film industry.
02:33:16.000And on television, in movie reruns, and also with recent happenings at Wounded Knee.
02:33:24.000I beg at this time that I have not intruded upon this evening and that we will in the future our hearts and our understandings will meet with love and generosity.
02:34:43.000I do get how you, I mean, after what looking like, especially the Marlon Brando, I mean, the John Wayne Genghis Khan thing, it's like fucking so preposterous.
02:34:53.000It's just one of those things, it's just like, that business is fucking nuts.
02:35:13.000How do you get to the point where you go, I'd rather lose the money?
02:35:16.000The argument was that it was made for streaming when everything started headed towards just streaming, and now that they're back towards theatrical releases, maybe they think it won't make the money, so they're not going to put it out.
02:35:50.000Hollywood's got a whole business of just, you've got all this stuff that's not ever seen the light of day, that if you put it out as kind of like no pressure, These pilots, these movies, I don't know.
02:36:49.000But what if they had like some fucking wizard, some like the cleaner from Pulp Fiction come in and explain things to them?
02:36:58.000Like isn't it gonna all be, like where do you think entertainment will be with, you got Amazon, you got Disney Plus, I mean, is it gonna just be like you have those, and then you're just picking a la carte?
02:37:10.000Like, if you want a series, you're following, I guess, a person?
02:37:15.000I think the future is like a substack-type situation, where you subscribe to individual things that you want.
02:37:44.000And, you know, there's a lot of companies that do that.
02:37:47.000And it makes sense to me, I mean, if I was a company, but as, you know, someone who put stuff out, if I was a guy who made movies, I'd be a little concerned.
02:37:58.000I'd be like, wow, there's less people to bargain with.
02:39:06.000And so they just went and they made an app called The Chosen, and you went to that app, and you watched that show.
02:39:13.000And I believe it got, I mean, millions upon millions of views.
02:39:19.000And it's a series, and it was a very, they did all the ad behind it, they did all the, very word of mouth, very, but I think the ads and all that stuff behind it, and they just started this, they're just like, that's their thing, The Chosen.
02:39:32.000And then it was an app, and you go watch that show there.
02:40:01.000So people do want to go see that, and that could not be being shown.
02:40:06.000But it also just shows you, you know, it's all about specials and all this stuff where you could go, I don't know, if I go find an audience, And this audience wants to do it, like, why don't you have, I could have a Nate Bargetti app and I put my specials on there.
02:40:20.000And you have a Joe Rogan app and you do the specials and then you do, maybe you're like, I want to write a TV show and shoot it with my friends.
02:40:27.000And then that goes on there and you become your own studio.
02:40:31.000And that's what the, I mean, the thing that keeps that from happening is it's very expensive.
02:40:36.000To go shoot this stuff and to go do all this stuff.
02:40:39.000But cameras and everything is, I mean, someone could probably shoot something with a phone.
02:41:10.000You rewind it exactly to where you want it with your finger.
02:41:13.000I mean, the big business is going to have to compete with individuals because if everybody starts figuring their own kind of thing out, then it's like...
02:41:21.000But if you want to have a bunch of actors, and you want to have a script, and you want to have explosions, and you want to have superheroes, you need a lot of money.
02:41:29.000If you want to make an Avengers movie, you need a lot of fucking money.
02:41:33.000You can't compete with that, or maybe you'd have to have money behind it.
02:41:55.000But then outside of that, the movie industry is like, it's not made, you know, you could go, you can't go make, I don't know, like Pelican Brief.
02:42:03.000I'm just trying to name a movie that's like our, you know, The Net, Sandra Bullock.
02:42:07.000I'm just naming some, like, you can't go make that movie.
02:42:10.000If you go, and then talk about Brendan Fraser.
02:42:13.000He goes off the planet, no one sees him for a while.
02:42:15.000Well, then you're like, go get Brendan Fraser.
02:42:17.000You get a guy that's a bona fide star that they just kind of don't use.
02:42:22.000And then you're like, you want to do this, like, you know, you get writers that can't get into Hollywood or you don't know about, like, and then you could make something...
02:42:57.000If you're not going to only buy these certain things, these giant things, and it's the big corporations, then that's where it's a problem for...
02:43:11.000So if you're only going to be like, well, we can only put them in it because we need to make our money back, and you're not taking zero chances, then you're creating underneath you A network that will overtake you, I believe.
02:44:25.000See, that guy knows how to do a business and knows how to do that stuff.
02:44:28.000So if that guy can make it and then he's like, I'll be a company that starts doing it for other people, I mean, then that guy becomes Netflix.
02:45:41.000They're watching just whatever nonsense pops up on their feed.
02:45:45.000If you create something, like I always thought about YouTube, like, What if you write a scripted show and you just put it out on your YouTube thing for free?
02:45:55.000I'm thinking about trying to start shooting some stuff and just being like, alright, I'll try to write sketches.
02:46:02.000Not really sketches, but it's like a 10 minute version of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
02:46:07.000And I'm going to just try to go shoot that on my own and put it out on my YouTube.
02:46:15.000And I know writers, I know all the comics, all of us that have been doing this for a long time, people that are acting, and you can find people to be in it.
02:46:24.000And you're like, alright, I'll just pay for this, and it goes on YouTube, and just see where it goes from there.
02:46:30.000It's like, I don't know, why can't you not, you know, do that if you keep the cost down?
02:46:34.000I think you certainly could if you were motivated.
02:46:36.000If you're motivated and, you know, you had a good group of people that you collaborate with, you could do that.
02:46:42.000I bet there's some really fucking intelligent, creative people out there that can make all kinds of wild films.
02:46:47.000And if, you know, if you don't have special effects and all you need is, you know, a music soundtrack, like, you can kind of do that with, like, can't you do that with GarageBand?
02:46:56.000Couldn't you, like, make a music soundtrack, basically?
02:48:01.000We just accept that there's a soundtrack Well, you'll have people start doing stuff like that, Willow Creek that you're showing, which is like the Blair Witch.
02:48:11.000Like, Blair Witch was like such a crazy...
02:48:52.000I want something that's got a little originality in the way it was shot, or it feels like a little, you know, it's got a little bit texture to it, because everything is too...
02:50:43.000They think about it in terms of, I get it, opening weekend, we're going to be competing against Batman, and fuck, it should be scheduled two weeks later or three weeks later.
02:50:53.000But everything feels like a big event.
02:50:55.000It feels like there's too many big events.
02:50:57.000Here's a big while, like UFC. But UFC feels like it has its events, and they just time it out very perfectly, where it's always around the corner.
02:51:07.000You're like, I can't wait to see that event.
02:51:11.000Yeah, but it's not the, you know, it's like there's the events, and then there's the other fights, and then like, but you have, like, it's really good at hyping these events.
02:51:21.000And they go, and like now, I feel, sometimes in movies, it's like they, I might be contradicting my whole point as I realize I'm saying this.
02:54:19.000And it can be at least a little in your hands.
02:54:22.000I don't think we disagree about this movie thing.
02:54:24.000I think we're just looking at it in different ways.
02:54:26.000I think I agree with you that it opens up the door for all these people to do creative stuff because the barrier for entry with really being able to have a phone and a tripod and you can film some shit.
02:55:24.000It's going to freak you out, because it's not Tom Cruise.
02:55:27.000It's this guy who sounds kind of like Tom Cruise, so it works because he does a good impression, but then they're doing a deepfake on his face, and it's Nuts.
02:55:37.000Because they're gonna be able to do this with anything, with anybody.
02:55:40.000There's already a program that they have with you or me because we've done so many podcasts.
02:55:45.000They can take all of your words you've ever said and make you say things in any kind of inflection that they want, in any way they want, loud, angry.
03:07:00.000He said, this is better, and I'm like, I 100% agree.
03:07:02.000See, that's what I mean about stuff going, it's, I could, you can go sit and watch those Instagram videos that are better like that, versus when a whole TV thing and they start throwing money in it, and then you're like, well, they just wasted whatever money they wasted to do that, just to go like, eh, it's better to do it on the budget that we're doing it on this.
03:07:22.000Yeah, it's one of those things where, you know, they're syncing up perfect right now with the way it's so easy to do like a shitty deep fake like that.
03:07:33.000Like anybody could do that on their phone now.
03:07:35.000And they're syncing up perfectly with this whole thing that you were talking about earlier, where it's like some people are getting left in the cracks, some fucking really talented people.
03:07:44.000And, for whatever reason, somebody hasn't taken a chance on a Comedy Central or this or that.
03:11:25.000It's a matter of whether you like their comedy or not is your objective, but them being comedy writers and creating comedy, that's as foolproof as you can do.
03:11:34.000But what they're doing now is perfect.
03:11:36.000I think it's building, you know, it's building mostly by word of mouth and people sharing them and spreading them, but most of them have millions of views now.
03:11:43.000But at what point, if you go take that show, I'm saying, like, you look at it going like, so what do you want to do with that?
03:11:49.000So if it's like Kurt and them are like, you're like, alright, I want to make you, let's make a show.
03:11:53.000And then so you go, what do you want to do?
03:11:55.000You want to go to HBO? You're going to someone that's going to restrict you from doing the freedom that you can do.
03:12:00.000Versus if you have someone else that creates something, or if it goes through YouTube, or whatever it can go through where they can at least make some money or touring.
03:12:09.000Yeah, well that was the idea of Substack.
03:12:11.000I had one of the co-founders of Substack on yesterday.
03:13:50.000I'm saying that that world kind of dies.
03:13:53.000Maybe, or there's always going to be certain individuals that do things that are different.
03:13:58.000Whether it's Chris Rock or Dave Chappelle in comedy, whatever it is in whatever genre, there's people that never go away for whatever reason.
03:14:08.000And I don't think trying to figure out why Is the answer for the individual.
03:14:14.000I think for the individual, it's like, just do your best.
03:14:16.000Just do your best and do the best version of what you're doing.
03:14:19.000And if you're comparing yourself to others, do it in a way that inspires you only.
03:14:26.000Don't do it in a way that turns you into a jealous bitch.
03:14:40.000You feel it the whole time you come up and then you look slowly.
03:14:42.000I always tell people, it's like whatever you feel, slowly you're just gonna move on and then you're like, I can't believe I even cared about that.
03:14:49.000As long as you care about yourself and you just end up, it's not that you don't complain to your friends about it or you, you know, you just keep the circle tight.
03:16:55.000Because that same energy, if you don't give in to that instinct, and I've felt that instinct many times in my life, It's a gross instinct to be upset at someone who's doing better than you.
03:17:06.000But if you can just take that and say, oh, this is fuel for inspiration for me to get better and to become undeniable.
03:17:46.000When people ask me, how do you make it in show business or whatever, what I always tell them, and nobody ever takes note of it, because it's not the answer they wanted to hear.
03:17:55.000What they want to hear is, here's how you get an agent, here's how you write a script, here's how you do this, but I always say, be so good they can't ignore you.
03:18:05.000If somebody's thinking, how can I be really good?
03:18:35.000If you're doing shows, you get recognized by your peers, people take you on the road, you get working in the clubs, you start making a living.
03:19:00.000If you can get to a point where you're a fucking working actor for decades, like a John Leguizamo, or like a James Franco, there's not that many, man.
03:24:34.000And I remember just the whole set, I just stared at this guy.
03:24:37.000He had a big, he had big hair and he's sitting there and he's The whole show, he's furious.
03:24:44.000Like, it's a guy that goes, I was supposed to be here for an hour, and y'all have made me watch every comedian that's ever lived do five minutes.
03:26:34.000There's so much money attached to these things.
03:26:36.000The more of a laugh that something gets, the more people might be inclined to laugh at home, the more maybe the performers would be energized because they're killing.
03:27:01.000That's why with comics, it's like when you go somewhere and you go do a special somewhere and someone's like, no, you're like, yo, this person's going to everywhere in America and maybe the world.
03:28:19.000If you're contagiously, you want to be like, yeah, we're going to have a good time.
03:28:24.000Do you think any of the laughers pull the people aside and go, you know, I just want you to know, even if I wasn't getting paid, I would still laugh.
03:29:50.000They had a 600 versus 600 boxing match.
03:29:54.000600 people versus 600 people in a field with boxing gloves on, and they come towards each other and just beat the holy fuck out of each other.
03:34:44.000Bro, this is definitely not what this movie was about.
03:34:51.000I would have went into this movie thinking it's completely something different.
03:34:54.000Well, the movie is about Vietnam, but the deer hunter thing is he takes a shot at a deer and misses, and he will not take a second shot.
03:35:06.000He has this ethic in his head that it should be one shot, one kill.
03:35:10.000This guy has these morals and ethics that he applies to hunting and to life, and then he gets thrown into the chaos of The Vietnam War, and then there's a lot of shit in that movie.
03:35:21.000It's a heavy movie, but it's a really good movie.
03:36:15.000I always think that in some of those movies, you're like, how, where, do we, is there just like, Some of these other countries, they're going to this town and being like, how many Oscar nominees do we have here?
03:36:39.000There's a lot of, I mean, Captain Phillip, like that guy, was like, that guy became, like, that guy's a star.
03:36:45.000It's like you end up becoming some guys that you think are gonna, they're just like, you're like, well, I don't know if they even expect him to be a star, or they're just, and then you're like, this dude's ridiculous.
03:37:09.000We were talking about streaming versus putting things on YouTube last night versus doing what Schultz did or what people are doing with other stuff on Substack and other places.