Comedian and actor Dave Chappelle joins me on the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast to discuss his life and career. We talk about his early life growing up in the streets of Los Angeles, how he got into comedy, and what it's like being a part of Metallica and being in the band Megadeth. He also talks about his relationship with his late martial arts mentor, Benny Urquidez, and the tragic passing of his wife, Lillian Rodriguez, who was a member of the legendary Karate and Muay Thai Karate family. We also talk about some of the craziest things he's done in his life, including his time in the first Metallica band, and how he became one of the funniest people I've ever met in the entertainment industry. It was a pleasure to have Dave on the show, and I can't wait to see what he's up to next! Thank you so much to Dave for being on the pod, and thank you to everyone who helped make this podcast possible. -Joe Rogan and the people who have helped make it possible. I hope you enjoy this episode, and that you enjoy it, and stay tuned for the next one coming soon! -JOE ROGAN PODCAST - THE JOE JORRAN EXPERIENCES Podcast by night, by day, all day, by night! -THE JOE RODAN EPISODE by night - by night. "The Joe Rogans Experience" by day. by night!! by day - The JOB PROJECT by day all day by day by night by night Thanks for listening to the JOBJOB EXPERIENCE by night? JOB EXCUSES by day JOB JOB'S JOB by DAY by day and night, JOB DAYS by night JOB SONGS by day & night by day... by night... JOB WEEKEND by day.... ALL DAY by DAYS BY DAY, ALL DAY BY DAY by MONTH by DAY, by MONDAYS by DAYYYY DAYS, by DAYDAY by DAYN HAVEN by DAYLY by DAY AND DAYN BY DAY BY NITE by DAY.... by NITE BY DAY By DAY, EVERYTHING by DAY! by SAME DAY, BY NAME BY DAY... by DAY BY MRS.
00:01:07.000Of course, you know, being in showbiz, that there's different degrees of how excited you can get.
00:01:13.000You have one of those days and it's like, yeah, shit, it'll never be better than this.
00:01:16.000And then, you know, you keep working hard, you keep applying yourself, associating with the right people, and there's always going to be another level.
00:01:23.000My sensei out in California, I used to train with Sensei Benny the Jet Yuki Des, and he would say...
00:02:52.000And what a great place to do it, too, because that family, those people, Benny, Blinky, Lily, all those people that were attached to them, too, that's a giant part of the history of kickboxing in America.
00:03:07.000I mean, they were the elite of the elite.
00:03:08.000Benny was the Baddest motherfucker ever during his time.
00:03:28.000One in particular that I really like, he'd gone to Thailand and he was fighting a guy.
00:03:33.000He said, look, I'll come to your country, fight your rules, your champ, your ring, whatever.
00:03:37.000And he went there and, you know, all I can compare it to is in Star Wars where they have those guys with the big hat, you know, the big forehead, the Klingons, whatever they are.
00:03:48.000Sensei Benny had kicked him across his forehead with a shin kick so many times that his whole entire forehead just had this contusion on it, looked like Like, almost like a Darth Vader helmet, you know, after he'd had his head cut.
00:04:03.000And it was, in a way, I guess, you know, maybe he was taunting him a little bit, you know, just, you know, slapping him around on TV because it was in front of, the whole nation had shown up there to watch this fight.
00:04:18.000I guess he's had a lot of fights like that.
00:04:20.000I heard that the story about Frank Dukes was actually about Sensei Benny, too.
00:04:49.000But I heard from the people who participated in this whole thing.
00:04:52.000So what had happened was the movie with Jean-Claude Van Damme and Frank Dukes, I was told that Frank Dukes wasn't the guy who had actually been the fighter in that and that it was Benny the Cheyukides.
00:06:28.000And they went in the back office of Frank's dojo.
00:06:31.000Now, this is what I heard, you know, and I'm not saying this to draw Frank Dukes out of retirement or anything like that.
00:06:37.000You know, that's just what I heard, is that when Arnold and Rubin went in there, he Freaked out and kind of lost control of himself.
00:06:51.000They had words and fortunately there were no fisticuffs, but that was the story.
00:06:56.000So when I watched it again, it was really neat to think that Jean-Claude Van Damme was portraying Cincy Bennie instead of this other person.
00:08:13.000People don't understand, I think, that before the UFC, before we got to watch mixed martial arts, meaning like an Aikido guy could fight a judo guy or a wrestler guy could fight a karate guy, before we saw that, We didn't know what was the best art.
00:08:28.000And there was a lot of, like, speculation, but very few mixed-rules engagements.
00:08:34.000Like, there was Judo Jean LaBelle fought a boxer once, and he made the boxer wear a gi, and he just took him to the ground, strangled him unconscious.
00:09:19.000But just when it comes to reality, though, like, Ben Irkides, he was a real important force in the early days of kickboxing, particularly in America.
00:09:30.000One of my favorite martial art choreography things that he'd ever done was with Roadhouse.
00:11:34.000I've managed to be really smart and stay out of a lot of trouble, too.
00:11:37.000And that was one of the things that Cincinnati Benny told me when we first started working together was, you know, a guy's coming down the street and he doesn't look like he's your friend.
00:11:45.000If he changes sides of the street, turn around.
00:11:48.000You know, I don't go looking for trouble anymore.
00:11:51.000There was a period in my life where, you know, that kind of people, those kind of people, and that kind of stuff was, you know, go out, get drunk, cause some problems.
00:12:03.000We lived down in Huntington Beach, you know, all the surf kids who go down there and fight people from another neighborhood or another school or something stupid like that.
00:12:09.000A lot of tough guys came from Huntington Beach.
00:13:10.000He was in the early days of the UFC. I was at a couple of his fights, definitely one, where he tapped a guy by shoving his chin into his eye socket.
00:13:22.000He got on top of the guy and I think it was Ron Waterman.
00:13:29.000So Mark Kerr gets on top of him and he's like grabbing the back of his head and he shoves his chin into the guy's eye socket and the dude taps.
00:14:09.000What they were trying to do, like, oftentimes in documentaries, like, they'll start following someone with a very specific objective, but then the whole world changes.
00:17:37.000Well, somebody said something to me that the guy had his head under the towel and that they were doing something with him in the corner during the fight.
00:17:46.000I don't know exactly what they were doing.
00:17:47.000Was this a fight with takedowns or did he just clinch?
00:17:50.000This is what we're looking at right here.
00:19:03.000He later learned how to fight with leg kicks.
00:19:05.000There's like one of the most famous kickboxing matches ever was his first fight against a Thai because he didn't know how to fight with leg kicks.
00:19:13.000And so he was fighting with the long pants on.
00:19:24.000Like leg kicks are a giant part of martial arts.
00:19:27.000The karate people and the Taekwondo people didn't get.
00:19:30.000The Thais figured that out more than anybody.
00:19:32.000And the karate people had some of it that they used in Kyokushin and some other, but it wasn't in terms of its expression in kickboxing.
00:19:39.000Nobody had figured out how to do it like the Thais.
00:19:44.000When you first started training, you said you were 12 years old, and what was the original martial art?
00:19:48.000It was Shorin Ryu, and my brother-in-law was the chief of police in Stanton, California.
00:19:54.000And my dad and my mom got divorced when I was four, so consequently I grew up with male role models, surrogate parenting and stuff like that.
00:20:04.000And right across the street from the police center was a YMCA that was having free karate lessons.
00:20:38.000Do you still watch the UFC? I do sometimes when I have the time.
00:20:42.000I love watching matches if I get the time especially now that You know, going from practicing karate mainly to, you know, doing grappling and ground fighting and stuff.
00:20:54.000That was part of the Yukitokan style was there was a little bit of jujitsu in it.
00:20:58.000But nothing like the extent that I've been studying now.
00:21:02.000And you've been doing it now for how many years, jiu-jitsu?
00:22:23.000That I got exposed to a little bit harder music, and that started with a little bit of Deep Purple, and then Mata Hoople, and a little bit of some David Bowie, and then we discovered Kiss and Ted Nugent.
00:22:39.000The other one was Kiss, Ted Nugent, who was the other band back then, Led Zeppelin.
00:23:22.000I would imagine applying the system of notes to something that you've sort of intuitively picked up.
00:23:31.000You figured out what sounds it makes while you're moving your fingers in different positions, and then you mimic the sounds you heard in albums?
00:23:39.000How does one learn how to teach themselves how to play the guitar?
00:23:43.000I started with an acoustic and was plunking around a little bit on that.
00:23:46.000My sister played piano, and Joe, she was so awful.
00:23:49.000I mean, the music coming out of our apartment sounded like two cats having sex.
00:23:55.000And all I know is that there was an acoustic guitar there and I thought, I need to make some noise to drown out what she's doing.
00:24:07.000We had a music book of the anthology for the Beatles, which is another huge band for me with my songwriting because of the weird chord structures.
00:24:59.000I think there was like an issue with the Salman Rushdie comments.
00:25:02.000I think there was something going on when, you remember when Salman Rushdie, before he got attacked recently, like when they first instituted a fatwa on him, I think he supported it or something.
00:26:41.000Unless you don't know what horrific violence is, you're talking about it like it's some ethereal, non-existing, non-real thing because you haven't experienced it in real life.
00:26:52.000Well, maybe he did experience a lot of it in the peace movement in the 60s and 70s because he probably got sick with America and going back to Afghanistan and changing your name probably had something that spurred that on.
00:27:06.000It probably wasn't just a knee-jerk reaction.
00:27:09.000I know that the music business is way, way different than it is now.
00:27:20.000And the music business is what you survive in.
00:27:23.000For example, Elvis, the way that his life ended and the way that the music business was back then, it was throw drugs at the problem, throw sex and money at the problem.
00:27:39.000Modern management or even if he was with, you know, somebody who, you know, like a handler, you know, that would say, hey, it's probably not a good idea for you to say that.
00:27:50.000You know, nowadays we have people who are, their sole jobs are to help keep us from, you know, stepping on it, you know?
00:27:58.000So, and I've got people around me, they used to be real busy with me, but, you know, fortunately growing up I've learned a lot of stuff that, you know, you can and can't say, so...
00:28:07.000Well, specifically, I mean, in this day and age with social media, it's so easy for someone to just tweet something really ridiculous without someone saying, Kate, don't fucking say that.
00:28:33.000Do you think it's just not promoted by, I mean, what do you think the difference is between the influence of drugs and alcohol in the early days versus now?
00:28:43.000Well, I think in the early days in the music business, first off, the drugs weren't as strong.
00:28:47.000And, you know, they didn't have, like, for example, something as simple as, you know, the marijuana that I used to smoke when I was a kid versus what's being manufactured and grown nowadays is way different.
00:29:02.000And I think that the stigmatism for people about smoking is less.
00:29:08.000And I think that there's a lot of other things that people use out on the road to cope with things that could be dealt with with, you know, good management, good support system.
00:29:22.000And most importantly, you know, Having somebody who's going to tell you the truth.
00:29:26.000You know, I'm a grown-up, I'm a big boy, so when I have stuff happen in my career, And it could have been avoided or somebody didn't tell me and I find out later, that sucks.
00:29:37.000And for a lot of people, when that stuff happens, they respond in a negative way with either self-sabotage or they medicate themselves.
00:29:47.000And I remember back when I was drinking, there was a thing someone said at one of those meetings and I thought it was kind of clever.
00:29:55.000The guy said, You know, I drank when my team won, and I drank when my team lost, and I drank when my team played, and I drank when my team was in the off-season, and I thought, all right, well, that's about me.
00:30:05.000What team are we not rooting for anymore?
00:30:07.000But, you know, there's so many reasons why people make it or don't make it in the music business, and I think, much like yourself, getting to know each other earlier this afternoon, You know, you have to take care of yourself.
00:30:22.000And there's so many things in the music industry that, you know, the history, the people that you're working with, you know, a lot of people don't want to say anything bad about somebody.
00:30:34.000But, I mean, imagine how much better things would be if somebody really said, you know what, he's a nice guy, but he stole from us.
00:30:42.000This guy is good at this, but he's terrible at that.
00:30:47.000Everybody's afraid to offend anybody with stuff like that.
00:30:51.000But yet, in other areas of life, offending people doesn't mean shit.
00:30:55.000So we've had some times where we've had some people on our crew and tours that we've been on.
00:31:03.000The last tour we were on, not my band, but another band, their bus drove right up to the Canadian border and the driver got out and left them all sitting there.
00:32:38.000Just because of the impact it has on your body?
00:32:40.000Well, not only that, but the things that it makes the people do and the kind of people that are around that.
00:32:46.000I think that, again, like I was saying, herb is less of a stigmatism, so people are a little bit more open with that.
00:32:52.000But as far as Coming backstage and it's smelling like, you know, somebody's back there burning chemicals or something like that or, you know, people falling out in the hallway from heroin or, you know, tweaking around on meth or coke or something.
00:33:06.000You know, we try and associate with people that are like-minded with us, you know, the people that are about their careers and that really are into taking care of themselves.
00:33:17.000Two of the guys in Five Finger Death Punch do jiu-jitsu.
00:33:24.000When we were out with Trivium, the singer for that band does to Jesus.
00:33:27.000So we try and hang out with bands that are really health-centric, you know, that are really looking into, and not just from here down, but here up to.
00:33:35.000When you were a kid and you first were hearing about bands and getting into bands, was that always a narrative?
00:33:45.000Was that something that was discussed a lot, that like a lot of bands did drugs?
00:33:50.000I don't think it was because it wasn't something we were preoccupied with.
00:33:55.000At the time when I first started playing around by myself with other little small time outfits and stuff like that, it never was really drugs per se.
00:34:05.000It would be like maybe get a six pack of air and maybe smoke a joint or something.
00:34:08.000But it wasn't until Megadeth actually got going and we met Gar and some of the people in that circle where we started to experiment with other stuff.
00:34:20.000And we had a manager at the time who was very, very bad off.
00:34:25.000And he would try to always keep us loaded.
00:34:30.000And we ended up having to fire the guy because it was for our own health and our own safety.
00:34:36.000I mean, you know, if I was a cheap bastard and didn't have any money, I would say, this is great.
00:35:45.000Yeah, that whole thing with psychiatrists or doctors or, you know, whether it's a manager or someone that you have that can get you drugs and that keeps you on them, that's how long...
00:36:03.000Especially with really talented people, a lot of times that person, they can benefit financially from controlling them.
00:36:10.000So they go, look, I'm just going to babysit you, keep you on drugs, and then suck money out of you.
00:36:16.000And then there's a lot of those guys that wind up keeping these incompetent managers for years longer than they should because the guy gets them drugs, too.
00:36:23.000Because the guy gets them girls, he gets them drugs, he sets up parties, he does all the stuff that doesn't help the band.
00:36:29.000It doesn't help their music, but it helps keep him around.
00:37:56.000Yeah, there's a lot of people that get really lost on drugs.
00:38:01.000But that's why I'm always happy to speak with a person like yourself that's, you know, had your problems and put them aside and bounced back and, you know, got healthy and is open about it.
00:38:13.000You know, I think it's so important for guys to hear.
00:38:16.000And also that it's a trap, too, that you can get sucked up into that trap.
00:38:20.000You can be a good person, a solid person who's, you know, got confidence, you can accomplish things, but you can get still sucked in that trap.
00:38:40.000Yeah, when you're out on tour, you know, you get these itineraries.
00:38:44.000And I don't know when you travel, if you go for long stints at a time or not, or if the UFC, when they travel, if they go for long stints at a time.
00:38:53.000But when we go, we usually have an itinerary, which is our little book.
00:38:57.000And we call it the Book of Lies because all the information when the tour starts is all accurate.
00:39:01.000But by the time you get out to that first date, stuff starts changing.
00:39:15.000That had to feel so bizarre when you came off the road after that much time.
00:39:19.000Yeah, it was back in the day when beds had quarter slots on them too, so we were sitting in these cheap hotels and watching WGN all day long.
00:39:27.000I sure learned a lot about the Atlanta Braves during that period, but yeah, it was rough.
00:39:32.000Quarter slots mean you put a quarter in to pay for the television?
00:41:38.000Yeah in the beginning it was a lot of traveling and since I was homeless you know having a hotel to live in and and a venue basically to live in that that was good for us you know David Ellison didn't have to go home ever because he had his family to fall back on I had no home to go to so I had to make it last and and So,
00:42:05.000to a degree, being on tour in the venues, in the hotel rooms, it was a step up for me from being a fan.
00:42:38.000What was that like when, I mean, you were successful pretty early on in your life.
00:42:44.000Like, how old were you when you were in your first band?
00:42:49.000Panic was the band before Metallica, and that was only for a short period of time, and I was 20 when I was in Metallica, so I probably started when I was around maybe 17, 18. But just think of that, just that statement.
00:43:46.000When you left Metallica, did you go right into Megadeth?
00:43:54.000What did you do right after Metallica?
00:43:56.000I think in my mind, I went right into Megadeth, but at the time, I was still kind of trying to, you know, Digest everything that took place.
00:44:09.000Well, you were still only 20. Yeah, yeah.
00:44:12.000The thing that bothered me the most was I had all my music and I left it behind and I said, don't use my music.
00:44:35.000Well, most of them, yeah, but Kirk got my royalties for Metal Militia for many, many years, and he has to see the check, so I know somebody saw that I wasn't getting paid.
00:44:52.000Like you said, at the end of the day, my happiness and my family, my wife and my children are more important to me than anything in this world.
00:45:53.000I don't know what brought that up, but I thought, oh my god, I can't even believe that.
00:45:57.000And thinking about where I'm at now today and just how the slightest deviation from where I was going could have ended me up anywhere else in the world.
00:46:08.000Because I wanted to do so many things.
00:46:09.000I wanted to be a professional athlete.
00:46:14.000I had a cousin who was a fighter pilot, and I thought that would be really great too.
00:46:21.000You know Dave, I think that's the case with a lot of people that wind up becoming successful at things They could have gone in a bunch of different directions They just chose to go in this one but they still have other interests in things because I think the type of people that become really successful like with you at playing guitar is There are the type of people that can kind of be good at anything.
00:46:40.000They just have to love that thing Like I'm sure you love playing guitar, which is why you're so good at playing guitar if you loved something else As much as you love that, you'd be just as good at that.
00:46:50.000I think it's an expression of who you are as a person.
00:46:53.000I think that's one of the more unique things about guitar playing to me.
00:46:57.000We were talking outside earlier about Gary Clark Jr., about if I listen to Gary Clark Jr.'s riffs, I can tell it's him.
00:47:08.000He's playing with the same instrument that other people play with, but his sound is so uniquely distinctive that I could pick it out.
00:47:14.000And that that was the case with Hendrix, and that's the case with you.
00:47:17.000It's the case with a lot of great guitarists.
00:47:19.000Like, you hear the sound, and you know who's playing it, which is really crazy.
00:47:25.000If you think about this instrument that basically anybody can buy, You can get them in so many different places, and so many people know how to play them.
00:47:32.000But some people specifically, who they are, comes out in their music.
00:47:36.000And as a fan of music, that's one of the cooler things about guitar playing to me, or any kind of music playing, is that there's an expression of who the person is who creates it that comes out when you listen to it.
00:48:07.000I thought, you know, I mean, I was not influenced by Hendrix at all, but I loved him as a musician and I respect his work, so yeah, I'll do it.
00:48:17.000And, of course, I'm playing a Flying V, and he had a Flying V, so I had the Flying Vs painted like his, which was really cool.
00:50:42.000People would go and hang out, and there was no posses, and there was no shootings and stuff like that, and everybody loved to be around each other.
00:50:52.000That says the time Ringo Starr evicted Jimi Hendrix from being a shitty tenant.
00:53:28.000It definitely sucks, but do you think that any part of having a sucky childhood is responsible for, like, the amount of energy that you had that put into music?
00:53:38.000I think sometimes when kids grow up in a sucky way, those are the kids with athletics that's often the case.
00:53:46.000When kids grow up in a sucky way with a lot of bad experiences, those are the ones who wind up pushing harder to do great things and other stuff.
00:53:54.000I think it's the wolf nipping at your heels.
00:53:57.000There's something there that just wants to keep you not looking back.
00:54:29.000It's always interesting when you look back though, right?
00:54:33.000Like being a person now who's gone through all that and you went from that and all the drugs and then into, was it Alcoholics Anonymous where you became a Christian?
00:54:44.000Did you do it from getting sober or were you a Christian before that?
00:56:20.000My sister got disfellowshipped and the girl that brought the accusations against my sister had lied.
00:56:27.000She had said something about my sister and this other dude being together and I knew that it wasn't true because my sister liked the other brother.
00:56:36.000So she got disfellowshipped and that was pretty much when I started to want to get away from it all because You know, I wasn't really old enough to see any other inner workings of organized religion or stuff like that.
00:57:36.000And when you stood up at school, which back when I went to school, we were a very patriotic country and kids would stand up and they'd say the Pledge of Allegiance and do whatever.
00:58:40.000What a quick life right into some wild-ass music, though, to just have a life like that and then, bam, at 20, you're one of the founding members of Metallica.
01:00:43.000So we're going home, and the bus is a two-bus ride, a big bus to a small drop-off, a little bus out to where we lived, out in the rural area.
01:00:53.000And we get off the first bus and everybody circles around and he's gonna beat me up and nothing happens and so I get in the bus and he gets in the bus and he walks out and elbows me in the back of the head when he's getting out and I had some chewing tobacco in my mouth so I swallowed it and I got so sick and I knew I had to do something that was gonna keep happening.
01:01:13.000So I put a hex on him that he would get physically injured, and he did.
01:01:16.000And the other hex that I did was the girl in night school we went to in Marina.
01:01:30.000Yeah, but do you think that he got hurt because you put a hex on him or do you think he got hurt because he's an asshole and he's probably doing stupid shit every day?
01:05:52.000And he didn't tell her those guys are yes, they're amazing They're amazing and they're so good for for magic too because you they'll tell you that it's bullshit And you know they're oh, I've seen that show Yeah, well that the show bullshit was about all kinds of things some of the things that aren't even bullshit like yoga But one of the things that they were doing was like doing magic and letting you in on the joke Like letting you know that it's bullshit,
01:06:14.000but still doing it in such an amazing way that you were blown away by it genius show Anyway, I don't not believe in magic.
01:06:28.000Weird things can happen with people's minds, especially when people believe things.
01:06:33.000I'm not exactly sure if I understand the interface between people's minds.
01:06:39.000I think there's a lot more going on with people and their minds, like the way we interact with each other, than I think we would like to believe.
01:06:46.000We like to believe that we're independent thinkers and that we're not that influenced by other people's thoughts.
01:09:23.000Just saying that I would get wimpy with my playing, and it certainly didn't change anything, because, you know, when I... If you look at any of my lyrics, a lot of them are from the book of Revelation and Daniel.
01:09:34.000There's a lot of, you know, those scary nightmare stuff that they talk about.
01:09:38.000Like, Washington is Next is about Daniel talking about dreams and interpreting dreams.
01:09:45.000And, you know, Holy Wars, of course, Blackmail the Universe.
01:09:49.000There's so many, many, many songs that talk about, you know, End time stuff, you know, stuff that's gone on during time, any kinds of super awesome stuff like with the spiritual stuff in nature where great things happen to good people,
01:10:14.000Some people have said that it's a song about abandonment and some people said it's about perseverance.
01:10:19.000For me, the song is about knowing somebody in your life, like you and I talked about earlier, the difference between people who make it and who don't.
01:10:26.000You have to make that painful decision to walk away.
01:10:29.000And in that song, I talk about somebody that I knew that was making some really bad decisions in their personal life.
01:10:35.000And that I needed to walk away from it.
01:10:37.000I needed to soldier on in order to take care of myself.
01:10:41.000You know, it's like the masks that come down in the airplane.
01:10:44.000They say, you know, if you're traveling with a little bastard and he's fighting you, you know, put your mask on, let him pass out.
01:10:49.000And then put your mask on him after you're safe.
01:12:01.000Do you know the whole story behind Coke and one of the reasons why I think they changed it to new Coke?
01:12:06.000No, but I know the really old, old Coke.
01:12:09.000Well, Coke was still, not old, old Coke, still, new Coke, the Coke that you have not right now, not new Coke, the flavor, but Coke that's available in 2022. It's made with cocaine.
01:12:29.000But if you find that the company in this country that processes the most medical, pharmaceutical cocaine is the same company that supplies the...
01:13:10.000That stuff's great, but they use these coca leaves, they process them, they take out all the cocaine, and it's part of the secret flavor of Coca-Cola.
01:13:19.000Because whenever anybody does a cola, like RC Cola or something like that, it tastes good, but it doesn't taste like Coca-Cola.
01:13:25.000They don't exactly get it right, right?
01:14:36.000They often contained addictive ingredients like cocaine and opium and toxic ingredients like mercury and lead, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse.
01:14:45.000The NIDA said in a 2020 blog post that Pemberton's recipe contained cocaine in the form of an extract of the coca leaf, inspiring part of the soft drink's name.
01:14:55.000The coca leaf in its natural form is a harmless and mild stimulant compared to coffee.
01:15:01.000But cocaine can be extracted from its leaves according to the Transitional Institute.
01:15:07.000When they chew the coca leaves, it's really like a mild stimulant.
01:15:10.000Gregory Collins, PhD and Associate Professor of Pharmacology at the University of Texas, San Antonio, also told Verify that the cocaine alkaloid is present at very low levels in less than 1% in most coca leaves.
01:15:23.000The cocaine alkaloid can then be extracted and purified to produce the drug cocaine.
01:15:29.000Coca-Cola likely contained cocaine alkaloid as part of the coca leaf extract at very low concentrations and similar to the coca leaf teas.
01:15:37.000Cocaine was legal and a common ingredient in US medicines aimed at curing a wide range of ailments when Coca-Cola was invented, which is pretty wild, according to NIDA. People thought cocaine was safe to use in small amounts at the time.
01:15:52.000In 1970, cocaine became an expensive recreational drug.
01:15:55.000Now, find out about Coca-Cola in today's form, because in today's form, I know they use something from the coca leaves.
01:16:06.000They're trying to say, despite this, Coca-Cola US directed, verified to a statement that says, cocaine has never been an added ingredient in Coca-Cola, and the drink does not currently contain cocaine or any other harmful substances.
01:16:23.000Now, it doesn't contain cocaine anymore, but I think it's flavored.
01:16:28.000I think they use coca leaves and I'm pretty sure that the company that does it also makes, I think they process out the cocaine and they use that for medical grade cocaine.
01:18:42.000The cocaine that's been extracted from the leaves is sold to malign-cropped Pharmaceuticals, the only company in the U.S. licensed to purify cocaine for medical use, specifically cocaine hydrochloride, a prescription jug used in hospitals as a local anesthetic by eye,
01:19:22.000I was just thinking that right now, you're talking about all those gorillas dragging backpacks full of shit up into America, or getting it into the vacuum coming up to America, some of this stuff.
01:19:35.000You were talking about them chewing, and I just pictured guys stuffing that stuff from the pirate.
01:21:23.000Somalis initially banded together to protect more than a thousand miles of the country's coastal waters from illegal fishing vessels and the dumping of toxic waste.
01:21:31.000When Mohammed Sal Bar was ousted in 1991, Somalia disintegrated into warring clans, each with its own militia.
01:21:40.000Fourteen different national governments followed, but have failed to unite the country.
01:22:23.000And people were taking pictures up there.
01:22:25.000I don't know how many of them were from Skylab.
01:22:27.000A lot of them looked like they were just commercial pictures, but boy, that was sketchy.
01:22:31.000That's what's so nuts about pulling stuff out of the ocean, pulling oil out of the ocean, when you realize they have to cap a broken pipe at the bottom of the fucking ocean that's spewing oil out.
01:22:43.000And you're like, hey, do you guys have a backup plan?
01:23:18.000Look at the fires, though, that are coming off of that thing.
01:23:20.000That is so crazy that that's in the middle of the ocean, that a hole that we dug into the ground is on fire, and fire right through the ocean.
01:24:09.000It was just something like an extreme vacation thing where these guys were going into Chernobyl.
01:24:14.000And then they had something else that was on TV in LA. I think it was a series on Chernobyl.
01:24:21.000And a lot of people thought that I wrote that about that.
01:24:24.000But I'd watched that other movie and there was a scene where the kids that had gone on this extreme vacation had seen all the dogs that were left behind in Pripyat, in the city where Chernobyl is.
01:24:34.000And the song, believe it or not, is...
01:24:39.000It talks about abandonment and where the person realizes the girl, the person he loves or whoever, left him behind without a peep.
01:24:52.000And he's like one of the dogs at Chernobyl because I was listening to the movie and watching the guy and he said they just left.
01:24:59.000And imagine what it must have been like to be a pet owner and having to leave and you can't take your pets.
01:25:03.000Well, imagine what it's like to be the pet and be completely abandoned or whatever.
01:25:08.000Yeah, so I use a lot of weird metaphors like that.
01:25:11.000When you were saying about, you know, the meltdown and stuff, I did a lot of research.
01:25:16.000In fact, my radiologist who did my treatment for my cancer helped me write some lyrics on the end part of that because I wanted to know what the terminology is.
01:25:29.000Well, with your vocabulary, I know what I'm trying to say, but I didn't know a lot of the terminology that I want to use with radiation chemotherapy, any of that kind of stuff.
01:25:40.000So I asked him and he came back with this stuff that was magnificent about radiation poisoning and all the different stages.
01:25:48.000That's an interesting thing for me too, just not being an observer in life and making sure that when I meet people, just kind of try and learn a little bit about them.
01:25:56.000When you were talking about the meltdown again, it's like I can see so many pictures from that movie.
01:26:07.000And trying to get that across in a lyric is really, really tough.
01:26:10.000I don't know if you've ever really talked to any of your guests about getting into research on lyrics and stuff like that, but that's usually the thing that takes me the longest to get a record done, is doing the research on the lyrics.
01:26:20.000That's interesting, because I've never talked to anybody who's done research on lyrics.
01:26:24.000Most of the time, I guess, obviously there's different ways of writing lyrics and different things you want to project.
01:26:31.000Have you always been the kind of guy that, when you write a song, you have a theme to it that you're trying to express, like with this Chernobyl thing, and you want to make sure that you get it through research, you want to make sure you get it through the proper use of terminology, but also...
01:26:45.000Has that always been a way that you've done music, or do you just...?
01:26:49.000I've tried really hard to do that, yes.
01:26:52.000In fact, in the very beginning when our albums were just first coming out, I'd always try and use some words that would require the listener to look it up.
01:27:01.000Not just because I was being some kind of smartass or anything, but I just wanted to use something a little bit different than simple lyrics or have to dummy down a lyric because I can't find anything that rhymes with quarter or orange or something, you know?
01:27:15.000So like with Conjuring, like that was something that you would, there's something in that that you don't even want to sing anymore because of it, because you had the history of it.
01:27:48.000People think that's about the pandemic, or the scamdemic, depending on who you are.
01:27:53.000I know that when this happened, I was going through my cancer treatment, and I wanted to just put one foot in front of the other and get to the studio, do my job.
01:28:07.000And when this lyric started to come together, it was actually Several years ago, Joe.
01:29:05.000Anyway, so this is what the inspiration was, you know, with bringing to life the reanimation of Frankenstein or Shteen, if you're Gene Wilder.
01:29:14.000So I thought, wow, this would be a really great thing to talk about instead of being about, you know, the pandemic, which is obvious, to sing about that, would be to talk about the Black Plague, you know, because that's more along the history,
01:29:30.000what Megadeth writes about, you know, scary things.
01:29:36.000It starts off, it says, the ship sailed to Sicily, and it was the fleas that bit the rats that bit the people and infected blood, and the stage was set.
01:29:47.000And that's basically how the lyrics on that song...
01:29:55.000I love that bands, like you brought in vinyl.
01:29:57.000I love that bands still do this because when I was a kid, and I know I'm old, but for kids today, a big part of the getting an album experience was the artwork.
01:31:13.000Unlike Black Dog, you know, when you listen to that, it goes, hey mama, hey hey mama, you know, because the groups are so damn close together, you know, you hear it bleeding through the track, and For this album, it's just pristine.
01:31:25.000We had Ted Jensen master engineer it, and Chris Raikstra and I produced it with Josh Wilber mixing it.
01:32:29.000I think I listened to different stuff than James and Lars.
01:32:32.000James was kind of being held hostage in Ron McEvney's house, so whatever was being played there.
01:32:37.000Or whenever they would go to the local import record store, they would get cool stuff.
01:32:41.000We usually went up to the record plant in San Francisco.
01:32:43.000There was a really cool store up there, and they had the greatest vinyl patches, t-shirts.
01:32:48.000Every time we'd go up and play the Stone or the Mubuhay, we'd go in there and we'd get patches and t-shirts and stuff.
01:32:55.000And not so much vinyl because, you know, you're traveling, you don't want to get vinyl and take it home and have it all foobar by the time you get home.
01:33:01.000But that was a real cool thing, was the trek from L.A. up to San Francisco and whatever souvenirs we'd bring home.
01:33:13.000So what was happening was James, I think he mentioned something about, I can't really remember much about him when we were growing up together, but I think his dad died and then his mom got really sick and he moved out.
01:33:32.000He was living with Ron and I'm joking when I say he's being held hostage by Ron.
01:33:37.000But he was living at Ron's, and then when we kicked Ron out of the band, James moved in with me and my mom down at Costa Mesa, which was really uncool.
01:33:45.000Me and him sharing a bedroom that was about the size of this table here.
01:33:58.000I don't know if he's still drinking or not, but we would drink vodka like crazy, and he had this little pickup truck, and we would drive from Costa Mesa up to Huntington Beach where we would...
01:34:08.000Celebrate and party with all my friends from Huntington Beach that James didn't know because James was from Norwalk and Downey, kind of an uncool little area where he was living at.
01:34:18.000They covered it with a freeway now so it gives you an idea how significant the neighborhood was.
01:34:22.000But I remember driving back and forth at PCH and it was foggy.
01:34:29.000And this guy would be driving pretty quickly down PCH and we were both drinking and I... It was probably a safe bet if we would have done that too many more times we were going to get in an accident because I lost a friend the very first time we played down in Dana Point with Panic on the way home.
01:34:47.000The drummer in the band got in a car crash along PCH coming home.
01:34:51.000So it's always been a sore spot for me, that area in Huntington Beach and the coastline.
01:34:55.000Well, the coastline has always been a really dangerous place, particularly for car accidents and drunk driving, like around Malibu and that area.
01:35:29.000And that's where a lot of the punk rock stuff that influences this new record came from.
01:35:33.000I was a big fan of Jello Biafra and the Dead Kennedys, and we ended up doing a...
01:35:37.000Dead Kennedys cover on this record, again, Police Truck.
01:35:41.000I don't know if you've ever heard that song or not, but the Dead Kennedys got banned playing up in San Francisco because of some of the things that Frank Mangiello had said.
01:35:50.000I think it was either in an interview or in his lyrics, but they weren't having any part of it anymore.
01:35:54.000And I just loved that band because, you know, I was a little surf punk.
01:36:11.000He just gives these long rants to music that are very interesting.
01:36:15.000I've heard his rant done by someone else.
01:36:17.000I heard when Ice-T did the beginning of...
01:36:20.000His album, he had Jell-O do something on a song called Shut Up, Be Happy.
01:36:26.000That's how I ended up becoming so close with Ice.
01:36:28.000We met at our management's company, Lipman& Kahane, and Ice and I were in there talking, and I said, you know, that's the desk that Gretchen or whatever the girl's name from the Nymphs or the Pixies or whatever pissed on their manager's desk.
01:36:39.000That was the famous desk he was sitting on, and so I told him, yeah, I might want to stand up.
01:38:34.000I love seeing those guys still doing it today, too.
01:38:37.000When I was a kid and rap was first sort of coming out, I was wondering, are we gonna see rappers tour in their later years the same way that we see rockers tour in their later years?
01:38:48.000Because when we were a kid, we thought of it as being a young person's game.
01:38:54.000But it seems like there was a renaissance somewhere, at some point in time, where people wanted to see those old guys get back on the road again.
01:39:04.000And still do the same shit and still kill it.
01:39:06.000I have never really gotten that immersed in the rap or hip-hop world, so I don't really know a lot of the players.
01:39:35.000On the Night Stalker track on here, we actually had him do a guest voice appearance for me now because we're ping-ponging back and forth to guest appearances on each other's records.
01:39:47.000So he is playing Colonel Kretz from Apocalypse Now, so to speak, in the lyric where In the Night Stalker song on the new record, I was going to write it about Richard Ramirez, and then I did some research on him, and Joe, I thought, this guy's just too evil,
01:40:03.000I would never want to write anything about him.
01:40:05.000So I ditched the Night Stalker thing, and then I found out my daughter was dating a fighter pilot for the bass up in Kentucky with the Apaches, and And I thought that was pretty cool and found out that the battalion up there is called the Night Stalkers.
01:40:20.000And I went, all right, I got my title back.
01:40:23.000So I met a friend of mine who I'm very close with named John Clement who was a pilot and told me a lot, introduced me to several of the people up at the base.
01:40:34.000And we started our relationship with the Night Stalkers there.
01:40:39.000The song has Ice in there playing pretty much like how Lou Gossett Jr. did in Officer and a Gentleman.
01:41:59.000But you would never imagine that, because none of those people from the early days, I mean, I don't wonder how old James Brown was when he stopped touring, but most of those guys, you didn't see them in their 70s doing rock and roll songs that they would sing when they were in their 20s.
01:42:47.000We started off really heavily on this conversation with Drug Talk and stuff.
01:42:52.000I think the beauty about that was we talked a little bit about it.
01:42:56.000The people who are out there that are struggling heard what we were saying.
01:43:00.000I heard maybe something in what I said that maybe made them, you know, not hear me, but listen to me and maybe find out, you know, I don't like Dave, but I like the fact that he was dying and that he was able to pull the nosedive up.
01:43:15.000And boy, things have sure gotten good for me lately.
01:43:18.000Well, that is always a great message for people to hear, especially someone they admire.
01:43:22.000Someone they admire that has gone through everything that you've gone through that you've been open about, from drug addiction and chaos, and now health, cancer-free, doing great, doing jiu-jitsu, living healthy.
01:43:38.000Important for people to hear because so many people when they're they're on a certain trajectory They feel like there's no way getting off the train.
01:43:47.000They're headed to a fucked up life and When a person like yourself can say you know what I was on that train to and I said fuck this I'm getting off and turned it around A lot of people are afraid to make that that jump though.
01:43:59.000They're afraid to take both feet off of first base and Consequently, they'll never get to second base and for me I look at a lot of the things that were holding me back and And I needed them, Joe.
01:44:34.000Because we have a huge, huge organization, and there's a lot of people who are counting on us to be able to bring them entertainment, especially now with the way the economy is, the way that people are just feeling like, what's the use?
01:44:46.000We come there, we help them just let go, just for that hour.
01:44:57.000Yeah, that's a beautiful thing for a fan, you know, that you're continuing to do that.
01:45:02.000And for fans of everything and anything that artists produce, when your life is shit, but you know the fucking new Megadeth album is coming out, and you get pumped, and then you hear it, It elevates you.
01:45:17.000The beautiful thing about someone creating something that people can enjoy is that for those people that it hits them like, oh yeah, they feel better.
01:45:27.000Music in particular is amazing that way.
01:46:23.000You know, working with us as a manager, but it was farther, nothing farther could be from the truth because we went 60 days one time without talking.
01:46:33.000And I wrote him a letter that day, and I said, look, man, you know what?
01:46:39.000And I went over to 5B. The last seven years of my life has been the Dave Mustaine Charm Offensive, and we've been really, really working on getting our rightly space in history and our position in the whole touring world and recording world.
01:46:56.000Some things we had to let go of, like some people that we were really close to, and they were just bad for us.
01:47:03.000Yeah, well, that's one of the unfortunate things that does happen in a journey.
01:47:07.000And that's one of the things that I admire most about bands, is that they can figure out all those internal disputes between band members, which are inevitable.
01:47:14.000Band members and then also members of the crew, members of the management.
01:47:33.000You know, and including guys like yourself who've come out of that with peace.
01:47:37.000It's like in the beginning, like, people are nuts, you know, and they're trying to make nutty music, you know?
01:47:42.000It's like there's a lot of thoughts that don't gel together, you know, a lot of people's ways they're living their lives, you know?
01:47:51.000I think what's cool is what you're saying that's so important for people is to see that you can have those things in your life and still get past them.
01:48:00.000And get past them and then be a guy like yourself who has a very specific ethic that he lives his life by.
01:48:06.000And that's available to other people too.
01:48:09.000They can hear you say that and go, you know what?
01:48:19.000And I know you realize it's positive, too, which is really cool, because you talk about it, and you know that it can affect people.
01:48:25.000If you think about who you were when you were a 14-, 15-year-old kid, if you'd heard a guy like you that you admire talk about that, it puts it in their head, and they realize, like, oh, yeah, there's a right way to live this life.
01:48:41.000And you know that's one of I think a very strong benefit of religion for a lot of people is that it gives them the very strong moral scaffolding to live their life by.
01:48:52.000I mean sort of like it's a structure that allows you to sort of like you always have a place to think always have a place to go this is it's like there's there's ways you live period and in doing that it makes trials and tribulations difficult moments easier Because you do recognize that there's a process to life and that there's a way to do this where you're going to be a good person and you're going to feel good about yourself and still you can overcome things and succeed.
01:49:20.000There's a lot of stuff that you need to, I don't know, you've got to have the common sense to know you've got to overcome it.
01:49:29.000Some people, they just get trapped in that place where you get the, like we were talking earlier about the Brian Wilson story and And all these other stories, like with Elvis, where you have enablers around you.
01:49:41.000And enabler is a word that signifies exactly what it means.
01:49:47.000It's just people helping you do things that aren't good for you sometimes, that could be good for you, but most generally, most often, it's not.
01:52:17.000It was a movie with, was it Scarlett Johansson?
01:52:19.000Yeah, Scarlett Johansson plays this woman who gets a hold of this drug accidentally.
01:52:25.000She's like involved in some sort of drug trade thing that goes sour and she gets a hold of this drug accidentally that turns her into a person that can use 100% of their mind and she becomes like a god.
01:52:45.000I don't want to spoil it for anybody, but it's a great movie.
01:52:48.000If you haven't seen it, go check it out.
01:52:49.000But the idea of using only 7% or 8% of your brain, I think that's not real.
01:52:54.000I think they used to think that at one point in time, but now they think there's different parts of the brain are for different things, and their understanding of the brain is still, relatively speaking, kind of...
01:53:08.000They don't know, really, a lot of what's going on in there.
01:53:11.000They know specific areas of the brain.
01:53:14.000Create memories or was where you store memories and motor skills and they know that when you get injuries to specific areas of the brain, that's where there's problems and they can sort of isolate that.
01:53:25.000But I don't think they think you use only seven or eight percent of your brain anymore.
01:53:58.000Your brain varies with how tired you are, whether you're sick, whether you're stressed out, whether you're at peace, whether you've exercised, whether you're in love, whether you're happy with your life.
01:54:12.000Your brain varies constantly depending on how many things it has to think about.
01:54:16.000That's why I love the sensory deprivation tank, that thing that we talked about earlier.
01:54:21.000The ability to separate yourself from as much physical input as possible is pretty amazing in the way your brain can function.
01:54:32.000Others have claimed that Einstein attributed his intellectual giftedness and to be able to use more than 10% of his brain, but this is itself a myth.
01:54:40.000Another possible source of the 10% myth is neurosurgeon Wilder Penfield's discovery in 1930 of a silent cortex, brain areas that appear to have no function when he stimulated them with electricity.
01:54:53.000We now know today that these areas are functional.
01:55:04.000Popular theory, as the journalist Lowell Thomas helped spread its myth in his preface to Dale Carnegie's blockbuster self-help book, How to Win Friends and Influence People.
01:55:14.000So he misquoted the brilliant American psychologist William James as saying that the average person specifically develops only 10% of his latent mental ability.
01:55:54.000I think when you're around people that are complaining all the time, you're going to want to either help them or if they don't want help and they keep complaining, you need to kind of change your address.
01:56:15.000No, because there wasn't that many people.
01:56:16.000I think what needed to happen for me was just to kind of get my priorities in order and to learn a little bit more about what I'm doing that's right and stuff that could be better in all areas.
01:56:32.000Being a husband, being a dad, being a friend, being a leader.
01:56:36.000It's evolved to have an organization this big, you know.
01:56:41.000So there's a lot of stuff there, and I think that the cancer was a lot of perspective.
01:56:48.000Some people can have chronic perspective loss with the music industry, just how distorted things are from reality.
01:57:00.000You know, I guess as I started to get healthier with the cancer and the success of everything now, it's making me want to help people more.
01:57:10.000I've been saying this in some of my interviews lately about being more philanthropic with some of the younger bands that reach out for advice and stuff.
01:57:17.000I mean, you can't teach, you know, some people.
01:57:52.000When you're thinking back on the moment where you got cancer and the shift in your mindset because of that, other than being philanthropic, how did it alter the way your perspective was?
01:58:09.000Well, I think you tend to look at the calendar a little different.
01:58:14.000I never really looked at it like I've got such and such amount of days left to live.
01:58:20.000I've always tried to look at my life as every day as a gift and just try my best to go home Right.
01:59:15.000Anything you say can and will be held against you.
01:59:17.000Yeah, when you're experiencing a giant health scare, that's generally, for a lot of people, that's a moment where you either wake up or you go further to sleep.
01:59:29.000And some people like yourself Chose to change.
02:01:33.000During the course of it, with all of the medication coursing through your body, the doctors are trying to kill off a big part of what's wrong inside of you.
02:01:43.000So your body's going like, hey, what's going on here?
02:03:25.000You know, the funny thing is that I went in there to have the little mask put on when they clamp your head down because you can't move your head around when you're doing the radiation.
02:03:33.000They don't want to miss with those lasers.
02:03:35.000So your head's all clamped down in this piece of plastic.
02:03:39.000And they said, well, we've got to heat the plastic up and you're going to sit there for 15 minutes.
02:03:44.000I'm thinking, I can't sit anywhere for 15 minutes and not move.
02:05:44.000Just get into it for a little bit, get comfortable with it, and then do a little bit more next time, a little bit more, and then after a while, your body gets accustomed.
02:05:54.000It took me like a year to get used to what you're doing when you lay in there.
02:07:14.000We were talking earlier about sauna, too.
02:07:17.000We were talking about doing that, you know, that we have one here and that you have one, but you just haven't been on a regular use of it.
02:07:26.000Well, I don't know the proper way to use it.
02:07:27.000I know in Finland that they swear by sauna and that you have to do a hot-cold thing or that you have to be so hydrated or not hydrated or...
02:07:36.000You know, I just, I want to do it right if I go in there.
02:07:38.000I don't want to just fall asleep in a sauna and come out weighing 30 pounds.
02:09:14.000But they would take it and treat it and then put it back in your body?
02:09:18.000I don't think it ever really actually...
02:09:20.000Well, it came out to go through the machine, but I don't think that there was ever really...
02:09:27.000Leaving you, per se, because there was a connection made, and it wasn't like they took it out of you and took it someplace else and came back and put it into you.
02:09:34.000So it sort of pumps into the machine and pumps back into your body?
02:09:37.000Yeah, and it went past this crazy light.
02:10:15.000Ultraviolet blood treatment is simple intravenous therapy, which a small amount of blood is drawn from the patient's body through an ultraviolet light-emitting machine and then reintroduced to their system.
02:10:28.000The UV light acts as a cell cleanser, killing bacteria and viruses in the bloodstream.
02:10:35.000Unhealthy cells absorb five times as much Photonic energy and die off while healthy cells remain intact and the blood gains oxygen.
02:10:45.000The effect is a vaccination-like response in which patients' immune systems is activated to counter the specific virus or bacteria the body is trying to defeat.
02:10:55.000In our clinical experience, this treatment has been highly effective against viral infections.
02:11:18.000What a great thing that would be, that every time you had a virus, just go and get hooked up to this machine, it would just clean you out real quick.
02:11:25.000They do know that these viruses, many viruses rather, are killed with the introduction of ultraviolet light.
02:11:32.000That's why they have these things called...
02:11:40.000A SteriPen is something that hikers and guys who go into the backcountry for multiple days at a time, they need water sources.
02:11:48.000There's a thing called a SteriPen and you can literally take water from a lake And then you dunk this SteriPen in, and there's a specific amount of time that you expose the UV light to the water, and it kills all the bacteria in the water.
02:14:04.000Find things outside of the norm that you guys have in common that you like to do.
02:14:09.000Health is something that's really important with us.
02:14:11.000Pam's been, you know, my Florence Nightingale when it came down to the whole illness.
02:14:17.000And helping me with not only my current issues with the longevity and the continued maintenance that I'm under for my skeleton that's been damaged from the fusion and all the other stuff that I've had done to my body.
02:14:35.000And just, you know, being a great moral support.
02:15:00.000So, yeah, you don't find a lot of people that have been married for a long, long time.
02:15:06.000You don't find a lot of people that are married a long time in regular jobs.
02:15:09.000But in rock and roll, I'm sure it's way smaller.
02:15:12.000Well, that probably had a lot to do with Britney Spears and that Kevin Federline 45-second marriage that they did in Las Vegas so many years ago.
02:15:21.000I think what happens when you have a bunch of little impressionable fans that are listening to a band and the front person or the leader of the band does stuff, absolutely right that people can be influenced.
02:15:58.000I think the flying and a lot of the courting that you see these other birds and animals and stuff when they change their color to appeal to the mates.
02:16:12.000I've often wondered why in the animal kingdom that the males are so much more It's interesting.
02:16:20.000But there's so many different things, you know, for me when I look at how my relationship with Pam is because I've tried to really, really be in the marriage and in the parenting.
02:16:34.000When we would come home from tour, I'd be gone so long that, you know, she obviously had to leak over into being the dad every once in a while.
02:16:43.000Which she didn't like and, you know, I don't think the kids liked it either.
02:16:47.000So when I came home, instead of coming home and saying, okay, this is how it is, this is my way, I had to really quickly ascertain everything and see, you know, what's going on and to help.
02:16:55.000If I didn't like what was going on, I needed to address that privately and in front of the kids and make sure that we were, you know, we were properly...
02:17:24.000They got spanked a couple times, but it was not something that was done a lot in our house because I'd been spanked so much as a kid.
02:17:33.000But I think about when you have two parents and one's gone for so long, especially in the military too.
02:17:41.000You know, you come home and you've got to learn that family dynamic.
02:17:43.000That's why it gets so difficult because one person has to make do and then someone else comes in and maybe screws everything up, maybe doesn't.
02:18:06.000And this is a known thing with the tour.
02:18:10.000With those guys from Maiden, that the guy would go to a hotel and stay there for a week after every tour, just to detox from being on tour.
02:19:21.000Well, I guess the motive behind it is what's important.
02:19:24.000If you discipline with anger, then you're not disciplining because disciplining is supposed to be a conjunction of discipline And teaching.
02:19:33.000So if you're disciplining your child, you're supposed to teach them.
02:19:37.000So one of the things I've always said, anybody asks me about, you know, advice for parents, I always say, kiss your wife goodnight, tell her you love her, don't ever discipline your kids in anger.
02:20:41.000You need to have more than just one person parenting.
02:20:43.000You need help sometimes because the parents will get exhausted and overwhelmed and sometimes you need someone to just step in for a second and say, I got this.
02:20:51.000I think people are missing the village these days.
02:20:54.000There used to be a thing where people would help with each other's children as well.
02:20:59.000Children would learn from other parents as well.
02:21:42.000Well, that's one of the things that really helps young men with martial arts is to find these figures, these male senseis and martial arts instructors that they look up to that have great morals and ethics and talk about things in front of the class.
02:21:58.000And when you're a kid and you admire your instructor so much and it's such an important role model and such an important authority figure.
02:22:07.000That has a great benefit on kids, too, in terms of ability to recognize the importance of discipline and being able to do things that make that person proud of your behavior and the way you conduct yourself and also your work ethic.
02:22:22.000My work ethic changed tremendously once I started working with Sensei Benny.
02:22:27.000You know, also my ability to be able to tolerate people when they would say stuff to me that I didn't want to necessarily hear, you know, because before, you know, people would say sit down and I would sit down, but on the inside I was standing up, you know.
02:22:43.000And nowadays it's like I don't need to be in the front row.
02:22:48.000I can enjoy the show just as much from the second or third row.
02:22:53.000Don't you think that benefit that comes from martial arts training also is in the exertion itself?
02:22:58.000There's something about the explosive nature of martial arts, like hitting the bag, hitting pads, sparring, all that stuff.
02:23:04.000It exhausts all this need for aggression that a lot of young men unfortunately have in our genes.
02:23:11.000You can get that out and it makes you a more reasonable, polite person.
02:23:17.000I just was talking to Justice when we were coming back from class the other day.
02:23:21.000He's just started training with Professor Reggie.
02:23:25.000He's got his first stripe, so he's really excited about it.
02:23:27.000And I said, see, the thing, son, is that you never know who you're going to come across who's going to have more knowledge than you.
02:23:36.000And right now, you know that as a white belt, with even just one stripe, you really don't know very much at all.
02:23:43.000And that you never know when you're going to come across somebody who may look like they're just somebody that you can push around and you say the wrong thing.
02:23:51.000Just like that one fighter down in Brazil who tragically lost his life.
02:23:55.000I can't remember what his name was, but Professor Richard was talking about that guy.
02:24:07.000And I really do believe that for young men in particular, that it's great to find some sort of an outlet in that way where you can express all the anger and all the shit that just comes with being a man.
02:24:21.000You can get that out in training and it makes you so much more reasonable in regular life.
02:25:27.000He called up and told Metallica's management that I needed emergency surgery on my spine or that I wouldn't be able to probably play or walk again.
02:26:12.000I need it from time to time because, you know, my neck kind of leans forward a little bit.
02:26:17.000All the head banging and stuff has made these muscles in here really disproportionately because they had to go through the front in order to get to the bone here.
02:26:25.000And this muscle in the front is much like a corset.
02:26:27.000So they pulled it aside and this side had to come across farther because they had to go in here.
02:26:33.000So when all these muscles grew back, they kind of grew in sideways, and then they had to grow over.
02:27:25.000I've been trying to see what's going to happen with where we're at with my whole situation with cancer before I start taking any more surgeries or anything.
02:27:36.000Have you ever used a device called the Iron Neck?
02:27:41.000The good thing about it is you're not articulating those discs.
02:27:44.000You're not moving them, but it still strengthens your neck.
02:27:47.000You put it on your head like a halo, and it has a bungee cord that attaches off the halo, and you vary the amount of tension on the bungee cord based on the position you are in relationship to where it's connected.
02:27:58.000So if you pull back further, it's more tension.
02:28:00.000You're just using your head like this?
02:28:01.000No, you don't bend your hand back and forth at all.
02:28:49.000So as he's doing that, the tension on the actual halo itself, you vary.
02:28:54.000So in the beginning, like, you could do it very easily and build up to it, and then eventually you can get it to where, see that thing as you adjust that little dial, that red dial?
02:29:04.000Is it like a TRX2 where you're leaning out, increases to the...
02:29:47.000When anybody has a fucked up neck, I always have a lot of advice because I've gone through a lot of shit with my neck and luckily figured out ways to strengthen it and make it much better.
02:29:56.000But that's sort of a common thread in jiu-jitsu.
02:30:00.000So many people in jiu-jitsu wind up with fucked up discs.
02:30:02.000You know, the first couple months that I trained, I had so many injuries.
02:30:07.000I sprained my right elbow, and then I had ribs on both sides that got...
02:30:25.000I was just saying, when I started, I was, you know, obviously not in great health and not very flexible either.
02:30:32.000So I think a lot of that happened when, you know, we were doing some tosses and I would grab on because I didn't want to go flying through the air.
02:30:39.000I wasn't comfortable, you know, hitting the mat yet.
02:30:41.000And I used to do that with Yukita Con all the time.
02:30:44.000You know, I just had gotten out of it and I'd forgotten.
02:31:48.000Well, there's a thing in learning technique in particular with any kind of martial art that's very important to learn it correctly because you can learn bad paths and then those paths, even if you get past them when you get tired, when you get fatigued or when you're under stress,
02:32:04.000you'll revert to your earliest teachings.
02:32:26.000And when they would get tired or when- Just flop it out there.
02:32:30.000Or they'd get nervous if they were competing.
02:32:31.000It would just fall apart and they would go right back to their earliest teaching, which is- Really, to me, ingrained early on in my mind, you got to learn something right the first time.
02:33:10.000It's like, and as I was saying before about music, one of the things that's so fascinating to me is that someone's expressing their creativity through these sounds, and these sounds literally change the way you feel.
02:33:23.000They do something to you that just excites all of your nerves and all of your sensations to this point where it's a great song that comes on at the right time is an amazing drug.
02:36:42.000Yeah, well, now that I think about it, I was thinking about something else, because I've got some little souvenirs and stuff from touring over there, so I have a little teeny thing from the Hendrix experience I was thinking about sending down here to put up on the wall or something.
02:37:12.000Okay, so in the beginning, I did the Twitter stuff.
02:37:16.000We were very, very, very active with Megadeth Arizona, which was our chat room, and then we had Megadeth.com, and then we had what was called The Diner, was what they called the chat room with Megadeth Arizona.
02:37:33.000Then there was some woman who said she invented it all and we kind of said, look, we don't want to be part of this website over here.
02:37:41.000We want to take Megadesk.com and we want you to let us free.
02:37:48.000The label was basically doing the website domain hosting at the time and I knew the future of the web.
02:37:55.000I knew what was going on with the beginning internet and Now that we're on the cusp of Web 3.0, you know, with cyber currency and cryptocurrency, I mean, and with the NFTs, you know, we've got our NFTs are going to be launching September 13th,
02:38:11.000which is going to be my birthday consequently.
02:38:14.000And we also have a lot of things that are membership oriented where all you need is a little Megadeth coin to...
02:38:23.000And it gives you access to all kinds of other really cool things like meet and greets, concerts, early ticketing, or different merchandise nobody else is going to get.
02:38:33.000And with the non-fungible tokens, it's so involved with everything.
02:38:40.000All I can tell you right now is I've looked at other people's NFTs that they have.
02:38:46.000And I think we're a little bit farther ahead from other people with their NFTs.
02:38:52.000You know, the Bored Ape Yacht Club, however you say it, was really...
02:39:02.000Cool kind of thing in the beginning, and it's taken on life all of its own.
02:39:06.000And then, you know, you look at the NFTs that Ozzy did, the Cryptobats.
02:39:10.000You know, a lot of people like it because it's 8-bit, and it looks like it's, you know, old, old-school Atari kind of stuff, you know.
02:39:17.000But I think that when you do something like that, you also run the hazard, if you will, of...
02:39:24.000Somebody's saying, you're not doing it.
02:39:28.000So we try and be as authentic as possible and make sure that we know what we're doing, we know what we're talking about, and we know how it's going to benefit the fans.
02:39:35.000I think people really like that in terms of social media too.
02:39:38.000When they find out that someone's posting on social media for you and pretending that they're the band or pretending they're the comedian or whatever, people get upset at that.
02:39:56.000We did this long enough ago where there's no real challenges to the name.
02:40:03.000And the social services, the different ones you're talking about, they're congenial enough, I don't know if that's the right word, but to work with us and make sure that, you know, hey, you've got some imposters,
02:40:32.000You know, the thing I'm most excited about right now is what we're going to be doing with the whole Web 3.0 experience for fans.
02:40:39.000I don't want to see this turn into an isolation kind of thing where the fans...
02:40:44.000You know, they get into the Web 3.0 stuff and put on their Oculus Rift helmets and start going into this world and not coming up, you know.
02:40:57.000But in the same token, it's also going to be exciting to see who's going to be able to pull off the first legit, viable...
02:41:08.000Because, I mean, you know, you look at a lot of it, and stuff that people are doing, like the hologram stuff that was going on, and everybody was saying, like, holograms, Tupac Shakur, Elvis, oh my god, are you kidding?
02:43:41.000If you had a virtual reality concert where someone...
02:43:44.000Could sit there in like the second row and see people in front of them and it feels real and they get to see you guys actually perform the actual real high-definition video of you there but in a virtual space where you can move around and actually watch you right in front of them.
02:44:34.000And this company is known for giving out awards to Honda, to Palmolive, to Procter& Gamble and stuff like that.
02:44:41.000And we got the award because the forward and extra cerebral thought process that comes from our brain trust and doing a 360 degree virtual reality concert where they came,
02:46:36.000Have you thought about doing that for like HTC Vive or Oculus or any of these platforms that do virtual reality?
02:46:42.000You know, I did the very first interview that Oculus ever did.
02:46:44.000They came to my house in Fallbrook and the guy brought a duct taped together prototype of the Oculus camera and gave me the headset and I put that in and the very first scene that I ever saw was a dog walker walking dogs down the beach in San Diego because the guy had just gone there Before he came to my house,
02:47:07.000and he filmed some dog walkers, and I thought, this is the coolest thing ever.
02:47:11.000And I think you might be able to find it online.
02:47:13.000They show this picture of me by my pond in my house we used to have in Fallbrook.
02:47:18.000It's a beautiful, beautiful place, but the picture made it look like five times as big.
02:48:03.000There's a lot of really cool things you can do with those Oculus now, and one that you might enjoy as a martial artist is they have boxing games.
02:48:12.000And it's a surprisingly good workout because you hold the hand things and then you put the helmet on and you're in this ring with like this virtual box or this cartoon boxer.
02:48:23.000And every time they hit you with a jab, your vision lights up.
02:48:42.000Fight Camp is essentially like Peloton, but with combat sports.
02:48:48.000So you have sensors that are on the heavy bag, and you have sensors that are in your gloves, and then you follow along with a video that'll tell you what to do, and it's great, because it forces you to do what they're doing, and you don't work out to your pace.
02:49:54.000So you can actually duck under punches and move around.
02:49:58.000It recognizes where you are in 3D space because the playing area is mapped out.
02:50:04.000So you map it out on the floor, and if you walk past those ropes, it would give you a red screen that shows you that you're fucking up and you're in the wrong spot.
02:53:28.000And mostly on English cars and mostly Triumphs where you had to take the clutch out.
02:53:36.000And in order to get the clutch out of those things, you had to take the whole front down where your feet are, the whole console out of the car and then go under the car that way.
02:53:47.000And I thought, surely these guys are making me do this the hardest way possible.
02:53:56.000My wife and I both have a Range Rover.
02:53:58.000She's got a Bentley, and I have an Aston Martin.
02:54:01.000And my daughter, she has a Range Rover.
02:54:05.000Justice, I gave him an Aston, and he traded it for a Raptor, which I think a lot of people would say he's nuts, but I think here in Texas, a lot of people would probably say they understand.