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00:03:59.000Dina Hashem, who's a really funny comic, great writer, and she opens for me a lot on the road, and she did a roast against this guy Dave Kinney, who's really funny, and they were roasting each other, and she had the most savage line I've ever heard in a roast.
00:04:12.000His mom died in a car crash, in a motorcycle crash, and she goes, Dave lives the way his mom died, an unrecognizable road feature.
00:04:24.000You can't knock the structure, though.
00:04:42.000You know, it's like everything else in the world.
00:04:44.000It just keeps getting more complex and harder and more biting and cars get faster, phones work quicker, like everything.
00:04:54.000What you jerked off to as a kid is different than what I jerked off to and then versus someone 10 years younger than me, what they jerked off to.
00:05:00.000Everything ramps up to a point where you're like, is this good?
00:07:18.000You know what's funny to me is when someone else gets metooed, you see the fear in the tweets of the people that are coming out against that person.
00:09:39.000My friend Ronan Hirshberg has a great line about that movie where he said it's basically a romantic comedy for pedophiles because the end of the movie is not like I fucked up, I dated a high school girl.
00:09:50.000It's that he's sad that it didn't work out.
00:12:04.000You know, Woody Allen, Annie Hall is like the, I mean, as comics, that's like the prototype right there, where you're like, whoa, you made, it's also the perfect rom-com because they don't end up together.
00:13:45.000We were talking about this the other day, that Socrates and Plato, a lot of these guys that we associate with some of the most brilliant things that anybody ever wrote were pedophiles.
00:16:34.000And you're one of those guys, if someone follows you on Instagram, you're constantly uploading content, which I think is so smart.
00:16:40.000I just have people film the shows because I figure some cool moment will happen.
00:16:44.000I don't want to burn material until a special comes out, so I like to just post a topical bit or a crowd work moment because the special, that's the material.
00:18:21.000You know, I was doing the two-year model and I did two years in 2014, 16, and 18. And I was scheduled to do one in 2020, but then the pandemic hit.
00:18:31.000And so I didn't do stand-up for a bunch of months and then I started doing it again but I was mostly kind of doing my old stuff and then I started doing regular shows around here and writing and putting it together.
00:18:40.000So when I filmed, I filmed a couple of weeks ago and it was like four years.
00:25:30.000We're, you know, we're bombing these fucking horrible gigs.
00:25:34.000I remember we show up to one casino in Milwaukee and, uh, This is like such a comedy moment where you're like, first off, List had been doing comedy longer than I had, and we were co-headlining.
00:25:45.000For some reason, my picture was giant, and it was like a little tiny Joe List picture, so he was furious when we got there.
00:29:23.000And I had this guy, Raul Sanchez, opening, and he's like a hilarious comic, served in Iraq, you know, like had a crazy life story, came from Mexico, saw action, like serious shit, and he had great bits about it,
00:29:38.000which you're like, how often do you hear someone do great bits about something this heavy?
00:29:42.000And Bobby's just in his face, like, just pounding, apparently cost the club like 40 grand a year in whiskey sales and stuff, so they had to switch him on to like a lower label.
00:29:52.000And he's just talking shit to Raul, and he's like, you fucking, you fucking, what tribe are you in, Raul?
00:37:47.000There's something about New Haven itself is like a gritty, fucking down and grimy city when it comes to like stand up and the people that come.
00:37:55.000Because they come from all the surrounding areas, too.
00:38:13.000I remember these guys met me in New York, and I was young, so I was like, man, oh my God, the idea to make fucking whatever it was, like a grand on a Wednesday.
00:38:21.000I was like, oh my God, of course, yeah.
00:38:57.000And we're having pizza before, and there's a basketball game, and we're watching basketball in the pizza shop, and he's like, I was telling some story, and he goes, yeah, it's just like when I did two and a half years in the clink for selling coke.
00:39:09.000And I was like, what does that have to do with what I was talking about?
00:48:22.000We sampled, like, nine different ryes, and this was far and away our favorite, but I'll tell you, sampling nine ryes, like, we're not, we don't know, you're not supposed to swallow it, we're just getting fucked up trying it.
00:48:32.000We're not classy enough to be like, oh, you spit it out, that's how you sample it.
00:48:35.000We're just, Mark and I are just wasted, you know, but it's, yeah, this is the one we liked, and, uh.
00:48:40.000Bodega Cat just felt very New York to us.
00:49:49.000And, you know, Bert Kreischer, who's a notorious drunk, he's been wearing his whoop strap, and he switched over to tequila, and he sends me his, like, recovery from his whoop strap.
00:50:06.000I remember, actually, I opened for him in Hartford, Connecticut, like, probably a decade ago or so, maybe more, and it was, like, his weekend off, and he was still out drinking us.
00:51:42.000Like, his philosophy of just making every city count, I fucking love that, dude.
00:51:46.000Oh, he loved to travel and to go to these little small dives and talk to the owner and see how they made the fish and chips, and he loved it, yeah.
00:52:03.000He was such a good writer and a great orator, too.
00:52:06.000So he was great at telling stories and, like, his real love for, like, what these people are doing and these cultures and these communities.
00:52:13.000And he would just go out and, like, hey, show me.
00:56:24.000I mean, you know, he'd talk to you about stuff.
00:56:27.000He'd talk to you about stuff, but it just was, you know, it's hard.
00:56:31.000And it's also hard for him to open up around people because he was the man, you know, and everybody loved him.
00:56:36.000And, like, he was like, you were aware that you were around him when you were around him.
00:56:40.000It was kind of like everybody was, like, on their best behavior.
00:56:43.000It was like, you know, he was just, he was a legendary cultural figure.
00:56:47.000I saw him at a Knicks game once, and I used to have a show on the Knicks network, so we were in the special area, and Larry Johnson, who was one of my favorite players growing up, I'd just watch LJ see Anthony Bourdain and go, oh my god, Mr. Bourdain!
00:57:01.000I was like, oh my god, LJ! You know, it's like all those things at once where you're like, holy shit, it's crazy that...
00:57:07.000He had that impact everywhere he went.
00:57:10.000I'm watching my favorite athletes growing up be starstruck.
00:57:13.000Well, there's a thing about authenticity that comes through, and especially authenticity when a guy's created something like his narratives, like his writing, and the way he would love places.
00:58:22.000And one of the things that happens to the starving artists when they get successful, they're not starving anymore and they don't want to move anymore because now they don't have to.
00:58:42.000And now when you go out, everybody wants to talk to you, and you're like, oh.
00:58:46.000So now you're more fucked up than you were before you were successful.
00:58:50.000But you're right that Bourdain kept that, like, everyman quality, where he felt like he could talk to everyone, and so often when people become that successful, they lose their connection to reality, and they just surround themselves with yes-men a lot of the time.
00:59:14.000And that was part of the brilliance of the way he would write those narrations, those monologues, is that he had seen the world through their eyes, whether he was in Libya or whether he was in fucking Greece.
00:59:29.000Everywhere he went, he absorbed their culture and wanted to give it life.
00:59:44.000You know, and he was one of those guys that just, like, he would talk to other famous people.
00:59:48.000I remember talking to him about this, like, you know, that he would talk to guys that had made it and guys that were his heroes, and he was like, does it ever get better?
00:59:58.000And, you know, most of them were like, no.
01:00:06.000I think one of the things that we have as comics that a lot of artists don't have is we have a community.
01:00:11.000We have a group that we get together and we do the thing together.
01:00:15.000You know, like last night I was saying at the show, we had Hans Kim, Bryan Simpson, David Lucas, Eddie Bravo, Tony Hinchcliffe, Shane Gillis, Ari Shafir, and me.
01:01:06.000I know you're also, you know, you've done a lot of interviews in your day, you know, to do this, but also there's a thing past that where you're like, There is a comic connection where, like, you're in the green room.
01:01:16.000You don't know the guy opening for you.
01:01:27.000I mean, the Comedy Cellar, I remember, like, at first I was so nervous to work there because I had so much reverence for that club as a young New York comic.
01:01:34.000I wouldn't go there before I worked there.
01:05:19.000I have Word documents that are like Every week that are like, you know, jokes from this month, this year.
01:05:26.000And when I'm writing a new hour, I revisit those documents and they're in my email because I'm always, I back up and I'm still scared I'm gonna lose them.
01:06:08.000And then, also, I'll take index cards.
01:06:11.000Like, if I have a really big show, like, if Chappelle and I are doing an arena, I'll sit down and I'll write out bulletin points on all these index cards and I'll lay them out on the coffee table in the green room.
01:06:22.000So that way, I have zero thought about, like, whether or not I know exactly where everything goes and then I could just be kind of free with it.
01:06:29.000By the way, do you realize how cool a sentence that just was?
01:07:49.000He came early on, and I was supposed to have this one club.
01:07:54.000I bought a club and in the process of going through all the stuff with the architect, the architect was like, hey, do you know that these guys are non-compliant on a serious environmental order?
01:08:07.000And so it turned out that this road that led up to the club, there's a driveway to get down to the parking lot and the driveway was above a creek.
01:08:18.000And they were like, all the water that rushes down here is gonna catch all the stuff that leaks off of people's cars.
01:09:09.000Probably somewhere around January, it looks like.
01:09:11.000We were supposed to get the keys in December, but we changed a few things that are gonna tack on some time, but most of the hard work is already done, and you get to see the bones of the club, you get to see the structure, what it's gonna look like.
01:09:30.000And it's also exciting to be able to do something where you're like, you know, there's no real, there's no executives in upper management, there's no corporate.
01:09:49.000Yeah, and we're just letting everybody know, like, this is for fun.
01:09:52.000Like, this is where we're going to develop comedy, and this is going to be a place that, it's in the middle of the country, so it's a nice hub.
01:09:58.000You can go to anywhere you want to go from there.
01:10:00.000So if you want to, if you got gigs somewhere on a Friday and Saturday night, you want to come into Austin and do Wednesday, Thursday, bam, we got you.
01:10:10.000Yeah, there's like, a lot of clubs just don't do it right.
01:10:12.000I mean, there's the classics, obviously, like in New York, thank God for the cellar, but there's a lot of clubs where you're like, Man, it's just so basic.
01:10:18.000Just get us a fucking mic, an amp, low ceilings.
01:10:22.000And when you do the clubs where the food is too good, I'm always a little annoyed.
01:14:13.000They developed this sort of community where everybody fed off of The thrills of making or losing all your money.
01:14:21.000I remember Artie Lang used to have that line where he'd say, you want to feel real rushed, bet $1,000 in the Giants when you have $500 in your bank account.
01:14:28.000It's like, fuck, that sums it up right there.
01:14:31.000I mean, yeah, I remember Adam, my friend, texted me once.
01:14:33.000He's like, the fucking Minnesota Lynx loss.
01:14:35.000I'm like, dude, you're betting on the WNBA. Get your shit together.
01:15:15.000Well, there was some lines that were so bad that I had to gamble on him.
01:15:18.000So my business partner for Onnit, Aubrey, he would come to a lot of the fights, and I would give him—he would gamble.
01:15:25.000So when I stopped gambling, I would just say—and we were at like 84% success rate.
01:15:30.000It was so crazy because I was always— There was these guys that were coming from Japan, and the matchmakers might have known about them, but the bookmakers didn't.
01:16:51.000I mean, I don't know fighting in detail like you do, obviously.
01:16:54.000The sport I really follow heavily is basketball, a little bit of football, baseball, you know, but basketball, if friends ask me to gamble, I'm like, I don't want to be told what to do with your money.
01:19:08.000They were just happy to see Whitney and happy to see Dana Carvey in their house, you know, in the living room with all their friends at this weird party.
01:19:15.000I did a gig like that once with my friend Rachel Feinstein and Ray Allen in an Orthodox Jewish home in Montclair, New Jersey.
01:21:05.000It was pretty good, but I'm also like, you know, I don't know if it was good or it was just good that I wasn't performing for them anymore.
01:21:13.000Yeah, I'm glad I don't have to do those gigs, but those are the kind of gigs that you remember when you're later in life, when things are going well.
01:21:21.000Oh, we were laughing the whole ride back.
01:24:26.000If you only play one place, it's always a trap.
01:24:30.000Yeah, there's people that get captive by their community, and then when they do the road, they're fucked.
01:24:36.000Because they have local references, and they do New York-style comedy or Boston-style comedy, and then they go on the road and they're doomed.
01:28:21.000They were at our level, you know, or worse.
01:28:25.000So then that was a tough part, is every person that would go on before you would walk people, because it was like three hours into the show.
01:29:26.000They like to haze you, which I kind of look back and I respect.
01:29:30.000Like, they like to fuck with you a little bit, which is like, eh, maybe a little bit of that's lost in today's comedy, where, like, it does build a little character to a degree.
01:29:39.000But they would do it to a point where I was like, there's no reason to this.
01:29:43.000You're just fucking with me at this point, you know?
01:29:45.000Like, I remember I did the audition, because that was the audition to do, like, the late night there, and then I did the audition to do...
01:30:50.000Got that little fucking ego now, and you're like, no, I'm fucking, I'm not, I still don't work there, because they would always be mad at me when I would cancel there, and it's like, I'm sorry, man, a comedy seller gives me, like, 12 spots a week, you give me three a month, I gotta prioritize the place that books me,
01:32:26.000They followed up with all these clubs that were willing to participate and like the B and C rooms would headline me and the A rooms would feature me and I was working every week.
01:32:34.000I was selling t-shirts and shit and I was really...
01:32:41.000So this is when you realize like, okay, I'm 100% all in on comedy.
01:32:45.000I had enough material, because you had to do different material each round, and I ended up winning, and there was a guy who had a better set than me.
01:32:52.000I think he should have won, but they chose me.
01:33:01.000I didn't have managers or anything, but I had Google Docs filled with bookers, and I would reach out to all of them myself with subject heading booking, and then I would re-email them every 10 days until I got booked.
01:33:21.000Because you need, I was on the road too much, and I was just doing shitholes, and you start playing to those bad, like when you do too many bad crowds, you're like a dog that someone just keeps beating with a fucking newspaper, and you're just like biting everything.
01:33:35.000So then when you get a good crowd, you just, you bite them.
01:35:40.000That's the thing, is you start out and you don't realize what it takes, and now I'm like, wow, I didn't realize how hard you had to work at stand-up, but luckily I love it.
01:35:48.000My ADD is so bad, it's really hard for me to focus at anything except for stand-up.
01:35:54.000I'm very disciplined and organized with stand-up, but literally everything else, I'm a fucking idiot.
01:35:59.000Yeah, because you care about it, though.
01:36:02.000That whole ADD thing, I have a real problem with that.
01:36:05.000I have a real problem with what it means.
01:36:09.000First of all, I have a real problem with that people just medicate their kids.
01:36:12.000Your kid's got ADD, he needs medication.
01:36:14.000So then you put him on something that takes away this one thing that he has, which is this excess amount of energy.
01:36:20.000And if they could just find something that they really enjoy, maybe there's a benefit to that.
01:36:25.000You know, like, people, they think that there's some sort of evolutionary characteristic that saved people early on, is to hyper-focus on specific things.
01:37:40.000I was like, oh yeah, maybe I'm not meant to know a shitload about pre-algebra or something, you know?
01:37:45.000But I will say, those pills, holy shit.
01:37:47.000I don't abuse them, but if I need a kickstart when I need a new hour, I pop a Concertan or something, and I'm like, boom, off to the races, performance enhanced.
01:41:36.000And it's up, way up, since the pill manufacturers started selling opiates and lying, the pharmaceutical companies lying to people about whether or not they're addictive.
01:41:45.000And then people got addicted and then, you know, Florida had this thing they used to call the OxyContin Express.
01:41:52.000Vanguard did this show with Mariana Van Zeller, who's this lady who's really wild.
01:41:57.000She does this undercover, boots-on-the-ground investigative journalism where she goes to cocaine manufacturers in Colombia and she's with them in the jungle and packs out with them.
01:43:09.000They'd drive it out of Florida and they'd call it the OxyContin Express.
01:43:12.000And they since have put some sort of regulation in place because, I mean, that was a blight on their state and that documentary was pretty powerful and a lot of people were aware of it and I think they changed some of the regulations.
01:43:23.000But at one point in time, Florida had no database and it was the number one.
01:43:27.000There was more pills prescribed in Florida per year than the entire country.
01:45:53.000And that's your new source of happiness in life.
01:45:55.000And you never develop the skills to figure out how to not do that and the skills to figure out how to make regular moments in life, which are actually even better than being on heroin.
01:46:50.000What are you going to do with the tool?
01:46:51.000If you're telling me that I can't have a glass or two of whiskey and have a lot of laughs at my friends and not ruin my life, well, you're incorrect because I've done that a lot.
01:47:03.000But if you're telling me that some people don't have self-control and they have one or two drinks and then they get gerbilized and they're gone.
01:47:10.000If you're seeing people with their eyes look like shark eyes, there's no one there.
01:47:48.000Oh, and I see, like, I'll see TikTok videos where guys are like, coffee is poison, you're taking, like, natural, like, it's not natural energy, and I'm like, you look like you got problems, too, though.
01:47:57.000Like, I'll stick, I like coffee, I'm gonna stick with coffee.
01:48:02.000What's bad is not taking care of your body.
01:48:04.000Now, if you drink so much coffee that you're ruining your body, yeah, I'd say take some time off and try to figure out what the fuck's going on there.
01:48:20.000But Dave Foley, who was on news radio with me, drank so much coffee that he stopped putting cream in it because he realized he was drinking a quart of cream a day.
01:50:35.000Like when you first started doing stand-up and first started getting serious, did you say, I want to be on Netflix or I want to be on HBO? I want to be a world-renowned headliner.
01:50:44.000Well, Netflix wasn't a thing at the time, but yeah, at the time I was like, yeah, I remember, I mean, the last special I did, The one that really helped me, the one, I got this, I self-produced, that is like 11 million views on YouTube right now, and that was one that everyone passed on.
01:50:57.000So that was a pretty big thing for me that it succeeded online and really helped ticket sales on the road, because that's why I did this.
01:51:05.000I was like, I've been doing the road a long time.
01:51:07.000I want people to come out and pay to see me.
01:52:02.000If they know about Tim Dillon, they know about Mark Norman, they know about you.
01:52:06.000And that's the beautiful thing about putting out a special today.
01:52:09.000It's like you're already in this network, like an organic network of comics.
01:52:14.000So it's like what it used to be is you were just you were hoping and praying that someone would like shine a light and that light would be a Carson set, you know, and finally I get my shot.
01:58:13.000I blow his horn as often as I can, but when I was a kid, I'd been doing comedy maybe three years, I think, and I first came out to Long Island, and I was at Eastside Comedy Club, and the guys who were there, Rich and Jenny had been there all weekend, and they were all despondent.
01:58:29.000They were like, dude, he did four different hours.
01:58:32.000I hate hearing that when I show up to a club.
01:58:34.000Two different hours Friday night, two different hours Saturday night.
01:58:36.000They said he never repeated a joke, and he fucking murdered every show.
02:00:53.000I think that's part of the problem is like think about how great he was.
02:00:57.000Like do you ever get that great if you're happy?
02:01:00.000Like do you ever get that or do you have to have this fucking bottomless pit that you're always trying to fill up with laughter and killer bits so people like you for that brief moment.
02:01:09.000So in that brief moment when you're on stage, that moment when you kill is the only thing that feels good.
02:01:14.000It's also such a comic moment to crush in a room and then you walk off and you're like fuck my Literally, he probably was getting standing ovations and he goes to the green room like, fucking kill me.
02:01:25.000And we were all like, god damn, he's just doing something.
02:01:29.000He had a whole bit that he did about buying a Corvette.
02:01:32.000If that's a premise that people don't want to hear, like, you're telling me about your Corvette that you're buying?
02:04:09.000It's weird for me because everybody in my house goes to bed early because I have kids and I have a wife and she goes to bed early and I write all my best stuff at night.
02:04:16.000So like while they're asleep, sometimes I'm high as Jesus on the space shuttle and I'm wandering around the house.
02:04:57.000You know there's those actors that were like kind of character actors, like maybe they had a pretty good co-starring role in one movie a long time ago, but it never really panned out.
02:05:23.000It's tough to wait for someone to kind of give you the green light.
02:05:25.000But musicians at least can tour and they can go to clubs and they have a network like comics do where musicians work for each other and they open for each other and they work together on the road.
02:06:26.000Well, I mean, you gotta get past the fact that it's two white guys who are amazing jazz musicians being the stars of the movie, but once you get past that, the movie fucking rocks.
02:06:36.000And then he's Jonah Jameson in Spider-Man.
02:07:26.000This religious guy has to kind of like not talk about it.
02:07:28.000And anytime he brings up anything, like anything, even positive stuff, like, you know, saying he's happy, his child is healthy, people are attacking him in the comments.
02:07:38.000Well, if they know your politics, they will hurt you.
02:07:43.000If they know you and they don't like you, they will attack a character that you then play who's nothing like you in the reviews.
02:07:52.000Critics, there was a time when critics had a lot of sway, and now the audience, I think, has gotten too smart, where they've become more sophisticated.
02:08:00.000But there was a time where those old movies, like The Sweet Smell of Success, where they're like, I'll destroy you in my column.
02:08:22.000But now, you know, Kurt Metzger says the Times is like a fat girl's Tumblr blog.
02:08:27.000It's gotten to this weird place where society and word of mouth and people tweeting about stuff and Facebooking about stuff and then telling their friends at work.
02:11:34.000It's weird that you can get away with it as a stand-up as yourself, but in a movie with characters, for some reason, it doesn't fly anymore.
02:11:43.000Because in everything else, it's the opposite, right?
02:12:29.000And then all of a sudden it's on and popping, you know?
02:12:33.000You need to make, you need to get people on board with like a great, I think once it's, because these companies at the end of the day stand for nothing.
02:13:04.000You got one fucking movie, and I'm supposed to be impressed?
02:13:07.000So, I mean, I do think it's all, like, what's good for business, and they think this is good for business, so make one good comedy that is a success, and it's back.
02:13:17.000Well, I bet Netflix is a place that could do it, if anybody could do it, because Netflix did release that memo saying, like, look, if you work here and you don't enjoy what the content of the people that put out, that work with us, make and put on our network, then you don't have to work here.
02:15:32.000I did Letterman's show on Netflix and he was kind of like, he's of that generation where he was like, I don't understand how you make money.
02:17:38.000Because the Howard Stern show was, you were being interviewed by the great Howard Stern, and he was behind this thing where he had all the fucking levers, and he would mix the sound and shit himself.
02:21:37.000He's not doing great physically, I mean, but he goes up and he fucking murders.
02:21:41.000He's slurring his speech and he's limping and he's lost use of his arm and he still goes on stage and it takes the audience like a second and then they're like, holy shit, this guy's hilarious.
02:21:51.000He had a bit about how he finds himself laughing at disabled people forgetting that he's disabled.
02:22:09.000And, you know, those guys in that scene, like that New York scene, was like the perfect place for podcasts to start, because everybody likes to just talk shit.
02:22:25.000It was just constantly going and we're all drinking coffee and it was like one of the few radio shows that I would like genuinely look forward to.
02:23:18.000I mean, Elephant in the Room was, to me, like one of the iconic comedy specials because it was hard to capture what was so funny about him.
02:25:05.000It's like you think you're being an alpha, but you just seem out of touch.
02:25:08.000You know, it's like the type of thing that if you showed up like, dude, if I take any fashion risk and I roll in the comedy cellar, I'm going to get my ass kicked.
02:25:15.000Like if I roll in, I remember I had a mustache once and Colin Quinn's like, you know what pisses me off is I think you like that fucking mustache.
02:25:22.000I just got tortured for it for like a whole night and I was like, I just went home and went...
02:25:28.000You know, it's like, there's something about you that keeps you on your shit.
02:28:02.000Find stuff to do that's difficult, and that should be your struggle, and then, yeah, well, you don't have to worry about your rent anymore, because now you're wealthy, but don't wish you were fucking poor.
02:28:12.000Don't wish things were bad, because bad things are going to happen regardless.
02:28:15.000Like, be grateful for health, be grateful for things in your life not being horrible.
02:28:29.000When you see a comic that's, you know, maybe three years in, four years in, it's just starting to really crack.
02:28:36.000And you see them on stage, and they're fucking killing it.
02:28:38.000And you find out that six months ago they were living in their car, or they get by waiting tables or delivering food for DoorDash, and you go, wow, there's something wild about that.
02:28:58.000All they need to do is just put in the time.
02:29:00.000That's a real fucking killer right there.
02:29:03.000It's exciting to see people break through, for sure.
02:29:05.000And it's exciting when you know they're really close.
02:29:08.000And when they have a great special in them, and they're like, the world's gonna see that, and now they have to fucking go back and eat shit and write a new act.
02:29:15.000You're gonna see this guy, Hans Kim, tonight.
02:29:17.000This kid, six months ago, was living in his van.
02:36:44.000I listen to Lenny Bruce and I'm like, it's a little, it doesn't resonate for me.
02:36:48.000I understand that he's brilliant, I understand that we need him, but like, Bill Hicks was like that for guys like us who were like, we, he made it, he made it cool, you know?
02:37:23.000You know, it was just a completely interesting kind of comedy, and it changed so many people's way of comedy to the point where the punchline in Atlanta, when you had performed there in the green room, somebody wrote in the green room, quit trying to be Hicks.
02:38:18.000It's in his half hour on HBO when he's like, I hate when...
02:38:22.000I love watching people in Aspen smoke cigarettes not knowing they're done inhaling and he does the act out and he just keeps blowing because of the smoke and it's like that's a great fucking bit.
02:38:32.000That's a silly observational joke and you're like oh that dude was great at political stuff, social commentary, religious stuff but then he could just do a fucking observational bit.
02:39:39.000It's like watching basketball in the 60s, and you're, like, seeing Chamberlain, and you're like, well, there's no Jordan without this shit.
02:44:50.000He was a trainer at Marineland, and he exposed the horrific treatment of the dolphins and the walruses and shit like that, and he's still involved in it right now.
02:48:22.000It's just the food industry is what's fucked.
02:48:26.000You know, if you buy sustainable beef from a grass-fed rancher who takes care of his cows and treats them well, and then they have one bad moment in their whole life, and this is the sort of agreement that you...
02:50:03.000It's such a brief moment in history, too.
02:50:05.000If you think about the time period that people, like, traveled to the West and all that lawlessness was going on, you're not dealing with more than 100 years.
02:50:13.000I know, but that's, like, that was, like, their Marvel movies.
02:50:16.000Of, like, the 60s and 70s, or, like, I guess 40s through whatever, like, my darling Clementine through, like, fucking Unforgiven, I guess, you know, like.
02:50:23.000If you want to read about it in this state, there's a fucking amazing book called Empire of the Summer Moon.
02:52:13.000A couple hundred years ago, there was a wild tribe on horseback running shit right here while Paris is being built and while London is this beautiful city of splendor.
02:53:28.000And they would scare them off, and they'd start yeeping and hollering and shooting guns off, and the horses would run away, and then you'd be stuck in the desert with no horses.
02:53:35.000And they would follow you for days and watch you just die slowly.
02:53:39.000They would just follow you, like, just far enough so they could watch.
02:53:44.000And they just follow you for days where you wandered around trying to find something to eat, trying to get water.
02:53:48.000You can't even get like a Luna bar or nothing.
02:56:13.000The American flag represents the evil empire of the military industrial complex and unchecked capitalism and cruelty and greed and fuck you.
02:57:06.000And if you give them a thing, like a flag, and they use that flag all the time, then everybody else wants to use the flag.
02:57:12.000No, I think the flag is like, look at all these fucking cool, creative people that came out of this one place that was an experiment in self-government, and yeah, it's not perfect, but it's better than anywhere else.
02:57:22.000And we're a community here, and we should think about each other as a community here.
02:59:20.000I mean, they'll just go have a hunting accident.
02:59:22.000If you're kind of the dick in the hunter-gatherer society, they'll take you out and you just won't come back because they just don't want you.
02:59:30.000So narcissism gets weeded out in those places.
02:59:35.000But when things get unstable and things are uncertain, people who are narcissistic can get a lot of resources and do really well.
02:59:42.000So sometimes they do well, which keeps it around.
02:59:45.000And obviously in big societies, you can become powerful enough to hire henchmen and hire a PR agent, and you can kind of build your own status and do a lot more than you can in the hunter-gatherer group where everyone knows you.
02:59:57.000What is narcissism when you define it?
02:59:59.000What is your definition of narcissism?
03:00:32.000And then this trait when it's grandiose, we say grandiose narcissism, it's this combination of sense of entitlement and the sense of superiority, but also you get extroversion and drive and ambition, call it agentic extroversion.
03:00:46.000So somebody who is driven And extroverted, but also a little bit self-centered and antagonistic and entitled.
03:00:55.000So that combination of traits, kind of a prima donna or overconfident or cocky or whatever you want to call it, that's what we talk about is grandiose narcissism.
03:01:08.000And that's just, like I said, a normal trait.
03:01:12.000There's another form of narcissism which we don't talk about as much in the normal world, but that's vulnerable narcissism.
03:01:17.000And these are the folks that kind of think they're really important, think they should be getting a lot of attention, think they're the smartest people in the room, but no one really looks at them, no one pays attention to them.
03:01:26.000So they get insecure, they get depressed, their self-esteem drops, they think, you know, why aren't I getting the attention I deserved?
03:01:35.000You know, it's a legend in their own minds.
03:01:37.000You know, it's like basement narcissists, you know, living in their mom's basement thinking how great they are and fantasizing about it.
03:01:44.000And those more vulnerable folks, you don't see at the bars as much because they're in the basement, but you see them clinically because they're depressed and they go see a clinician and say, help me out, I'm anxious.
03:01:55.000So those are the two normal forms of narcissism, their traits.
03:01:58.000And then there's this clinical form, or psychiatric form, called narcissistic personality disorder, NPD. And that personality disorder form of narcissism is an extreme form of narcissism.
03:02:12.000You have a high level of it, you know, like Trump or, you know, a lot of pale celebrities or, you know, academics.
03:02:18.000But you also, to make it a clinical disorder, you have to have that impairment we're talking about.
03:02:23.000So it has to be clinically significant impairment.
03:02:25.000And that's usually the narcissism is so bad, your marriage or your relationships are falling apart.
03:02:32.000Your work life could be falling apart.
03:02:34.000So sometimes you find narcissistic, really successful people in offices who are narcissists, but they kind of destroy the office culture.
03:04:59.000You know, they just got the worst case of all the bad luck, you know, and a lot of bad life experiences, and they don't have the tools to get out of it, and then they're stuck in an environment where everyone around them is also negative and fucked up.
03:06:28.000I was just in horrible pain on the road every week.
03:06:31.000It's been a while, but you just learn to live with the pain.
03:06:36.000Did you take any anti-inflammatories or anything for it?
03:06:39.000I was, you know, muscle relaxers here and there, but the problem is I like to drink and that shit stays in your system, so I don't, I would, you know, I've had a few drinks and I feel pretty good right now, and you learn to just kind of live with it, I think.
03:07:57.000This is brand new called Games With Names.
03:07:58.000And we recap the greatest sports games in history.
03:08:02.000And the first episode is Eli Manning and Teddy Bruschi from the Giants versus Patriots.
03:08:07.000He's getting a lot of shit for doing the Patriot loss is the first episode But then we had like Adrian Peterson and Jared Zebranski for the second one Fiesta Bowl like the guests are fucking insane.