The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1871

00:00:12.000 This is the first interview I've ever done except for Barbara Walters 30 years ago.

00:00:18.000 Holy shit.

00:00:19.000 When the first question she asked me was, that was with Streisand at the time, she said, are you a hustler?

00:00:25.000 And I said...

00:00:26.000 If you mean, do I hustle every fucking day of my life?

00:00:29.000 Yes, I'm a hustler.

00:00:30.000 What does that mean?

00:00:31.000 Are you a hustler?

00:00:31.000 What was she implying?

00:00:32.000 That I was using Barbara.

00:00:34.000 Wow!

00:00:35.000 That I was a hairdresser with the biggest star in the world.

00:00:39.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:00:40.000 She would never dare ask that question if you were a woman.

00:00:43.000 No.

00:00:44.000 And, you know, you were with Roger Moore or whatever.

00:00:47.000 Yeah.

00:00:47.000 Never.

00:00:48.000 She was angry, you know, and...

00:00:52.000 That's a wild question to ask someone.

00:00:55.000 A person who's a hairdresser can't fall in love with some famous singer?

00:01:01.000 That's not possible?

00:01:02.000 Are they out of reach?

00:01:04.000 Yeah, I think that the fact that I was making decisions for her, or not making decisions, I was creating alternatives for her, and she was like, yeah, man.

00:01:14.000 Star is Born was something that when I first read it, I called her and I said, I read this thing.

00:01:20.000 She said, you schmuck, it's been made three times before.

00:01:22.000 And she hung up the phone on me.

00:01:23.000 That was 1976. Wow.

00:01:26.000 And that's when I met Elvis.

00:01:28.000 I went through your IMDB. Holy shit, have you produced a lot of movies.

00:01:32.000 Yeah.

00:01:33.000 A lot of marijuana, man.

00:01:35.000 Getting fucked up, Jack.

00:01:38.000 You made so many movies, man.

00:01:40.000 Yeah, over a hundred.

00:01:41.000 That's incredible.

00:01:42.000 That's incredible.

00:01:43.000 Yeah, because I always was a storyteller.

00:01:46.000 And as a kid, I didn't always tell the truth, but they were my stories.

00:01:50.000 My life became my story.

00:01:52.000 My stories became my life.

00:01:53.000 The things that I'm doing today...

00:01:55.000 Are things that I said I would do.

00:01:57.000 I wanted to be...

00:01:58.000 I wanted...

00:01:59.000 I was in love with Ali.

00:02:00.000 I made Ali the life story up.

00:02:03.000 I was in love with Presley.

00:02:04.000 I wanted him to be in Stars Born.

00:02:06.000 We flew up to Vegas and we met with him.

00:02:10.000 And he was so fat he couldn't sit in a chair.

00:02:13.000 He was about 100 pounds overweight.

00:02:15.000 Wow.

00:02:15.000 And he said, I got a problem, man.

00:02:17.000 I got a problem.

00:02:18.000 I said, what's your problem?

00:02:19.000 He said, I'm having a fight with my girlfriend.

00:02:21.000 And I said, what does that mean?

00:02:22.000 She said, well, she's flying in my 747 for two hours.

00:02:26.000 I haven't decided whether to let her land or not.

00:02:30.000 So, yeah, so I've been lucky.

00:02:32.000 I've been a really blessed lucky guy.

00:02:35.000 Did you meet Elvis when he was doing karate?

00:02:37.000 Yeah.

00:02:38.000 So that was when he was an Ed Parker student?

00:02:40.000 No, no, no.

00:02:40.000 I met him once.

00:02:43.000 When he was really fat and Colonel Parker called me and said he wants to do the movie.

00:02:53.000 But you can't be a part of it.

00:02:55.000 So I called, because I was a producer.

00:02:56.000 I created it.

00:02:57.000 I wrote it.

00:02:58.000 It was my thing, man.

00:02:59.000 I was obsessed with this movie.

00:03:01.000 And the love story was me and Barbara.

00:03:04.000 We copied it.

00:03:06.000 And Barbara said, fuck him.

00:03:07.000 I said, fuck you.

00:03:08.000 And so he didn't do it.

00:03:10.000 And then later, after the movie, Priscilla Presley called me and said to me, I gotta tell you, he wanted to see it on opening day, and he did.

00:03:18.000 And he cried that he didn't do it, because I would have got to the other side of Elvis.

00:03:23.000 I would have got to the pain.

00:03:25.000 I would have got to the feelings.

00:03:27.000 I would have got past the other thing.

00:03:29.000 It would have been gigantic because I saw that in him.

00:03:31.000 I could feel the pain in him.

00:03:34.000 So when you met him, it was towards the end then?

00:03:39.000 Yes, towards the end.

00:03:41.000 Did you watch the film, the new one, the new Elvis movie?

00:03:44.000 Fantastic.

00:03:45.000 It's amazing, right?

00:03:46.000 Yes, because they did it differently.

00:03:47.000 Yeah, they did an amazing job.

00:03:49.000 They did a completely different take.

00:03:50.000 It was amazing.

00:03:51.000 Just the way it was edited and put together with all the things in between the scenes, it was incredible.

00:03:56.000 Yeah.

00:03:56.000 It was so good.

00:03:58.000 It's like that story is such a unique story because there had never been a person like him before that was that famous.

00:04:04.000 Ever.

00:04:05.000 He still gives me chills, man.

00:04:06.000 Michael Jackson was like the next one, right?

00:04:08.000 He'd never been someone like him either.

00:04:10.000 Michael Jackson and I I Went to him and I when I was doing stars born, I mean Batman And I had Prince to do the music.

00:04:24.000 And I wanted Michael to do the warring theme.

00:04:27.000 So it was like a fight.

00:04:29.000 So Michael Jackson plays...

00:04:31.000 No, thank you.

00:04:32.000 Michael Jackson plays, you know, Batman, the guy.

00:04:36.000 And Prince plays the Joker, Jack Nicholson.

00:04:40.000 But Michael backed out.

00:04:42.000 We became friends.

00:04:43.000 He took me to his house.

00:04:44.000 He showed me Thriller.

00:04:45.000 And I showed him this because you did American Werewolf in London and I copied you to do Thriller.

00:04:53.000 Wow.

00:04:56.000 American Werewolf in London is the greatest horror movie of all time.

00:04:59.000 Yes, I wrote that.

00:05:00.000 I mean, I didn't write it, write it.

00:05:02.000 You saw the wolf out there?

00:05:03.000 Yeah.

00:05:04.000 I fucking worshipped that movie.

00:05:06.000 Yeah.

00:05:06.000 That movie was so fun.

00:05:08.000 It was such a great movie because it was such a great combination of sheer terror and comedy.

00:05:13.000 Yeah.

00:05:14.000 It was amazing.

00:05:14.000 Yeah, thank you, man.

00:05:15.000 It's an amazing movie.

00:05:16.000 That's what we did.

00:05:17.000 It stands the test of time.

00:05:18.000 I watched it again like a year ago.

00:05:20.000 It's fucking great.

00:05:21.000 John Landis.

00:05:22.000 He's the guy that unfortunately...

00:05:25.000 Yeah.

00:05:25.000 Yeah, you know.

00:05:26.000 Yeah, the accident, the helicopter.

00:05:28.000 It's terrible.

00:05:30.000 That American Werewolf in London movie, what you guys did was...

00:05:35.000 It's just a real horror classic.

00:05:40.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:05:41.000 There's a few...

00:05:41.000 Like The Shining, there's a few classics.

00:05:43.000 It's amazing.

00:05:43.000 American World of London is the monster movie classic.

00:05:46.000 Yeah.

00:05:47.000 Well, one of the other things that I was lucky enough to do is Caddyshack.

00:05:50.000 Oh.

00:05:50.000 And everybody golfs, so I'm going to make a new one now.

00:05:53.000 Nice.

00:05:53.000 And I just got off the phone with Shaq.

00:05:56.000 I'm going to put everybody together in this motherfucker.

00:05:59.000 It's the elite, which will be Billy, Chevy, that own the club.

00:06:06.000 And they one day get Madoffed.

00:06:09.000 Now, all the guys...

00:06:11.000 Our kind of guys that have money that they turn down, they take over the club, and these guys work for them.

00:06:16.000 And it's going to be a very funny story.

00:06:19.000 Wow.

00:06:21.000 How come no one's done another good werewolf movie?

00:06:26.000 Because any movie that you make is a gift from God.

00:06:29.000 They're so hard.

00:06:31.000 Is that what it is?

00:06:32.000 It's hard, man.

00:06:33.000 I give people Academy Award just for getting the movie made.

00:06:36.000 The pieces, the agents, the story, the acting, the distribution, the this, the that, the bullshit, the lying, the cheating, it's impossible.

00:06:44.000 I have a movie that I'm going to do.

00:06:46.000 It's called Africa.

00:06:48.000 And it's like out of Africa.

00:06:51.000 And Eric Roth wrote it.

00:06:53.000 He's one of the greatest writers in Hollywood.

00:06:57.000 And he wrote it 22 years ago for me.

00:06:59.000 I've been developing this for 20 years.

00:07:02.000 Because I never got the love story right.

00:07:04.000 I had Brad Pitt.

00:07:04.000 I had Angelina Jolie.

00:07:06.000 They broke up the story of Philip Park.

00:07:08.000 But I'm working now on getting the love story and I'm going to make the movie.

00:07:11.000 It's about a journalist doing a story on a guy who's trying to stop the poaching and the killing of all the animals in Africa.

00:07:19.000 Beautiful love story.

00:07:21.000 Loses two legs.

00:07:22.000 You got all the...

00:07:23.000 Yeah, you get shot down by the poachers.

00:07:26.000 And we see the whole black experience and the culture and they have one day of fighting and you see swords and shit that it's amazing.

00:07:35.000 All in the African culture.

00:07:38.000 Wow.

00:07:39.000 What excites you most about making movies at this point in your life?

00:07:43.000 Stories.

00:07:44.000 Stories.

00:07:45.000 Yeah.

00:07:46.000 This has got to excite you.

00:07:47.000 Like Dana White fucking makes me crazy.

00:07:51.000 Crazy.

00:07:51.000 I love him.

00:07:52.000 He wrote me something.

00:07:53.000 JP, I love you.

00:07:54.000 I love you, motherfucker.

00:07:55.000 And he can box.

00:07:57.000 He was going to box.

00:07:58.000 Knucklehead.

00:07:59.000 I saw that on the thing.

00:08:01.000 I was like, fuck.

00:08:03.000 He's got big balls.

00:08:04.000 Tito's not tough.

00:08:07.000 Tito's not tough?

00:08:08.000 No, he's tough.

00:08:09.000 I'm sorry, he's not not tough.

00:08:10.000 Very tough.

00:08:12.000 I was like, man, you have high standards.

00:08:13.000 No, no, no, he's not.

00:08:14.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:08:16.000 I understand what you're saying.

00:08:17.000 I'm sorry.

00:08:17.000 Although, on the standards, the fight that fella, the show before last, with blood all over the face, That happened so often.

00:08:30.000 Which fight was that?

00:08:31.000 No, he put the blood...

00:08:32.000 Oh, Luke Rockhold.

00:08:34.000 Yeah, and Paolo Costa.

00:08:35.000 Brilliant.

00:08:36.000 Until that moment.

00:08:37.000 Then I thought it was a poor loser.

00:08:40.000 I mean, he should have, as opposed to the heavy Samoan guy who got beat up by the big black guy, he was a great loser.

00:08:46.000 Yeah, he was.

00:08:47.000 He took his kids, took his thing.

00:08:50.000 I think Rockhold and that guy had had so many bad words to say to each other, like during training camp and leading up to it.

00:08:57.000 It was like biting of the ear, like Tyson biting the ear.

00:09:00.000 Well, except it's legal.

00:09:02.000 Like, you're allowed to, like, smear your blood all over a guy.

00:09:05.000 And guys do it all the time.

00:09:06.000 They just don't do it that blatantly.

00:09:08.000 I've never seen that before.

00:09:08.000 Yeah, if guys have, like, a cut on their head, you will oftentimes see them, like, leaning towards a guy's face.

00:09:13.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, during the fight.

00:09:15.000 They know that blood sucks to get in your eye.

00:09:17.000 They're not stupid.

00:09:18.000 But it's legal.

00:09:19.000 I mean, it's not something they're actively trying to pursue as a technique, but if they find that they're bleeding from their forehead and they see the guy's face right there, They'll just do it.

00:09:29.000 But the way Luke Rockhold did it was just crazy.

00:09:32.000 He just rubbed his bloody nose all over the guy's face.

00:09:34.000 He's a bit of a bitch.

00:09:36.000 Luke Rockhold is?

00:09:37.000 Yeah.

00:09:38.000 I would not say that.

00:09:39.000 No, in my opinion as an audience.

00:09:41.000 For doing that?

00:09:42.000 No, just in general.

00:09:43.000 Really?

00:09:43.000 The way he behaves.

00:09:44.000 It's just something about him that...

00:09:47.000 I don't know.

00:09:49.000 I see him as an actor.

00:09:50.000 I see him as a movie star.

00:09:51.000 I see him...

00:09:52.000 But then that fight, he was amazing.

00:09:54.000 So maybe he isn't...

00:09:55.000 I just...

00:09:55.000 He's cursed with being impossibly good looking.

00:09:57.000 Maybe that's what it is.

00:09:58.000 That's a big part of it.

00:09:59.000 It's easy to hate him.

00:10:00.000 He's so pretty.

00:10:00.000 Maybe that's what it is.

00:10:01.000 That's what it is.

00:10:01.000 It bothers men.

00:10:02.000 I always say that the only reason anyone gets laid is because Luke Rockhold didn't show up first.

00:10:07.000 Yes, it's true.

00:10:08.000 And he's got a beautiful body.

00:10:10.000 He's perfect.

00:10:10.000 And he's tall.

00:10:11.000 Yeah, and so that bothers people.

00:10:13.000 So if he was just a regular guy, it wouldn't bother you as much.

00:10:16.000 Could be.

00:10:16.000 Part of the arrogance that bothers people, but all prize fighters have arrogance.

00:10:21.000 It's so common.

00:10:23.000 You kind of have to have a certain amount of arrogance and bravado to be successful.

00:10:27.000 I mean, they don't all.

00:10:28.000 Some of them are pretty humble.

00:10:29.000 They keep it to themselves.

00:10:30.000 But inside, there's a bravado there.

00:10:33.000 And, you know, when it comes from a super good-looking guy, it's...

00:10:37.000 Hard to take.

00:10:38.000 People don't like it.

00:10:39.000 It's hard to take.

00:10:40.000 That's why people get mad at me, man.

00:10:42.000 I've still got hair.

00:10:43.000 You know what I mean?

00:10:45.000 So, you know, yeah.

00:10:47.000 No, it's been...

00:10:48.000 I've had an amazing career.

00:10:50.000 The UFC thing has been my hobby.

00:10:53.000 I try to pick every fight before it happens within about a minute into the round by the way they walk and move and stuff and everything.

00:11:00.000 It's like a hobby.

00:11:02.000 Weren't you entertained by that Luke Rockhold fight though?

00:11:04.000 That was very entertaining.

00:11:05.000 Phenomenal!

00:11:05.000 That was an incredible fight.

00:11:06.000 Phenomenal!

00:11:07.000 I loved him for that because he let it all go.

00:11:11.000 And there were scenes in it that were like a movie where he said, Fuck you!

00:11:14.000 Yes, yes, yes.

00:11:15.000 It was definitely a movie.

00:11:17.000 Even you said it.

00:11:18.000 You said on the thing, this is like a movie.

00:11:20.000 And I was like, it is like a movie.

00:11:22.000 It really was.

00:11:22.000 It was like if you saw that in a movie, you're like, come on.

00:11:24.000 Especially if you got to know him and had his life before and realized that this was his real, in his way, because he's been so beautiful, this is his license of manhood.

00:11:35.000 Because now he can actually be tough and beautiful.

00:11:38.000 Well, he was even when he was the champion.

00:11:40.000 He was a Strikeforce champion.

00:11:42.000 Then he was a UFC champion.

00:11:44.000 And when he was in his prime...

00:11:46.000 See, the thing about an elite, high-level fighter, and this is the reality of it, the consequences on your body are so grave.

00:11:54.000 There's so much going wrong.

00:11:55.000 Your neck and your fucking shoulder and your knee.

00:11:57.000 It's always happening.

00:11:59.000 And so these guys only have a few years to perform at the elite level.

00:12:04.000 I saw it with Victor.

00:12:05.000 When that first guy knocked out...

00:12:08.000 It went across the ring.

00:12:09.000 He didn't bang, bang, bang.

00:12:11.000 No, the guy took half his face off.

00:12:15.000 It was in Oklahoma.

00:12:17.000 Oh, so you're talking about the first fight?

00:12:18.000 So the first fight in the UFC, that was against Trey Tellickman?

00:12:22.000 Yeah, with the red-headed kid.

00:12:23.000 I don't think he had red hair.

00:12:25.000 Or he had light hair, but his face, he had to go to the hospital.

00:12:27.000 He broke the whole thing.

00:12:29.000 Yeah, well, I would imagine Vitor had crazy hands.

00:12:32.000 He did, and the shoulders, and the shoulders, and the back.

00:12:36.000 Yeah, then he beat Scott Ferozo and won the tournament, the heavyweight tournament.

00:12:41.000 He was 19 years old.

00:12:42.000 Yeah.

00:12:42.000 I loved it when he took out the bar fighter.

00:12:47.000 Tank Abbott.

00:12:48.000 Yeah.

00:12:49.000 You were telling me that you knew Carlson Gracie, you knew all those guys back there.

00:12:53.000 I trained with him.

00:12:54.000 That's wild.

00:12:54.000 For three years, man.

00:12:55.000 Every day.

00:12:56.000 When he was on Hawthorne?

00:12:57.000 When he was at my house.

00:12:59.000 Oh, he came to your house to train you?

00:13:00.000 Yeah, with Victor.

00:13:01.000 Oh, but that was back when they were calling him Victor.

00:13:03.000 Yeah.

00:13:05.000 I interviewed Victor the Marijuana.

00:13:08.000 Because he wouldn't train and I got him loaded and he stayed in the gym the whole day.

00:13:12.000 Really?

00:13:12.000 Yeah.

00:13:12.000 He wouldn't train?

00:13:13.000 Well, he was lazy.

00:13:15.000 A lot of guys that are good-looking and build like that, they're lazy.

00:13:18.000 Because he beats people up like that.

00:13:20.000 Wow, he was a spectacular athlete.

00:13:22.000 He was, yeah.

00:13:23.000 He was so fast.

00:13:24.000 Yeah, that's when I called Dana and I said, remember me?

00:13:26.000 We almost bought the thing together and da-da-da.

00:13:28.000 When I think about a guy like Vitor, who's really at his best at between 185 and 205 pounds, if Vitor had...

00:13:37.000 Come up now, where the weight classes are already established, and he wouldn't have to be fighting heavyweights.

00:13:43.000 Like, he was fighting guys like Randy Couture.

00:13:46.000 Scott Faroza was a big guy.

00:13:48.000 If he was able, from the time he was 19, to fight, like, at the weight class, like, natural to his body, he'd been one of the greatest of all time.

00:13:56.000 I'll tell you the names.

00:13:57.000 See if you remember it.

00:13:58.000 Al Stinky.

00:13:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:14:00.000 Sure.

00:14:01.000 I found him and I put Victor with Al Stanky.

00:14:04.000 Oh, no kidding.

00:14:05.000 Al Stanky was hilarious.

00:14:06.000 That's how he learned how to fight, Victor.

00:14:08.000 People forgot about it.

00:14:09.000 I forgot about Al Stanky.

00:14:09.000 I found him and I did a movie on him.

00:14:11.000 Al Stanky was hilarious.

00:14:13.000 And the cops, and he was a tough motherfucker.

00:14:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:14:15.000 He could swim.

00:14:16.000 We would race in the pool.

00:14:17.000 I would do 10 laps.

00:14:18.000 He'd do 30 laps in the water.

00:14:20.000 He's like an amazing guy.

00:14:21.000 But he taught Victor how to bob and how to weave and everything.

00:14:27.000 And in the UFC in those days, there was no stand-up.

00:14:30.000 It was all on the ground, almost.

00:14:33.000 Well, nobody had ground skills like Vitor had, but also had the kind of hands on him.

00:14:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:14:39.000 That was what was interesting.

00:14:40.000 I just think that if you go to, like, the early part of his career, if that guy was in, like, a weight class that was natural to his body, like a 185-pound weight class, something like that.

00:14:52.000 I agree with you.

00:14:53.000 Would have been one of the great champions.

00:14:54.000 He would have been one of the great champions.

00:14:55.000 Yeah, I trained years ago as a kid.

00:14:57.000 He got up to like 240 pounds at one point.

00:14:59.000 Yeah, I know.

00:15:00.000 Way too big.

00:15:01.000 He got to 241. I went to 281. I'm now down.

00:15:04.000 I've got to lose another 30 pounds.

00:15:06.000 What are you doing to lose it?

00:15:10.000 No food, raw fish, and vegetables, and that's it.

00:15:14.000 Raw fish, huh?

00:15:15.000 Yeah, I love it, man.

00:15:16.000 I have a chef, and she's the greatest chef in the world, and she cooks for me wherever I go.

00:15:21.000 And, yeah, I've got to lose.

00:15:24.000 I'm 260. I want to get down to 200. Do you have a trainer?

00:15:28.000 Yeah.

00:15:29.000 Brazilian, great guy.

00:15:31.000 That's awesome.

00:15:32.000 Amazing black belt trainer guy, champion from Brazil.

00:15:35.000 I brought him over.

00:15:36.000 He's fantastic.

00:15:37.000 So you're doing jiu-jitsu with him?

00:15:38.000 As much as I can, because I'm all broke up.

00:15:41.000 Yeah.

00:15:41.000 My knees.

00:15:42.000 So he's got you doing other stuff, too?

00:15:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:44.000 Yeah.

00:15:44.000 That's great.

00:15:45.000 Having someone like that, especially for a guy like you that's very busy.

00:15:48.000 Yeah.

00:15:48.000 Having someone like, this is my job.

00:15:49.000 I train for my life, man.

00:15:52.000 From the morning I tell.

00:15:53.000 I train.

00:15:53.000 I live in my spa.

00:15:55.000 I live in...

00:15:56.000 I've never gone to an office.

00:15:58.000 Everybody resolves around my schnoodle.

00:16:01.000 I have great, talented people.

00:16:03.000 When you were talking to Elon Musk about how does he do it all?

00:16:08.000 Delegation.

00:16:09.000 Finding smart people.

00:16:10.000 Then you don't have to do nothing.

00:16:12.000 You just tell them what you want to do and they figure out how to do it and you adjust it.

00:16:15.000 I do that.

00:16:16.000 I run like 30 companies.

00:16:17.000 Oh, that's genius.

00:16:19.000 That's probably fun, too.

00:16:20.000 I'm excited.

00:16:21.000 That's why I'm breathing heavy.

00:16:22.000 I want to go.

00:16:23.000 I know, you seem excited.

00:16:24.000 I am.

00:16:24.000 You're fired up.

00:16:25.000 I will do this again.

00:16:27.000 I was going to do a book.

00:16:30.000 They gave me a big advance.

00:16:32.000 Barbara and everybody got angry, so I gave the money back and I never did it.

00:16:36.000 This is the first time I'm being interviewed, really being interviewed, where someone can watch and say, oh, that's who he is.

00:16:42.000 Well, I always think about it just like having a conversation.

00:16:45.000 Like, I've always just wanted to talk to you.

00:16:46.000 Just think, you know, when I look at your body of work and the history that you've had in making movies, it's incredible.

00:16:54.000 You know, when I did Stars Born and we came back from there, everybody put me down.

00:16:59.000 I was like a joke.

00:17:00.000 I was a pimp.

00:17:01.000 I said, how dare me produce the biggest movie with the biggest star and I must have a 12-foot dick.

00:17:06.000 Although, I did learn in life.

00:17:10.000 That I'm actually a lesbian.

00:17:12.000 So I really learned how to make love with women once I saw my friend, this model, and this little lesbian lady, and I said, what do you do?

00:17:23.000 How did you get her?

00:17:25.000 Because I would always come too fast.

00:17:27.000 I could never make it work right.

00:17:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:17:29.000 Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.

00:17:34.000 I learned now that with my wife, my lady, we make love for three hours.

00:17:40.000 It becomes an orchestra with my love for her and my gratitude that she saved my life by bringing spirituality into me.

00:17:48.000 Because I was like an entire living.

00:17:51.000 So when you say spirituality, like in what form?

00:17:54.000 Studying.

00:17:55.000 Joe Dispenza, genius.

00:17:57.000 You should look him up.

00:17:58.000 He's a fucking hundred thousand people, shells out hundred thousand.

00:18:02.000 He's like you, but he's amazing.

00:18:04.000 Studying people every night for six, seven hours, learning.

00:18:08.000 With therapy, working on what it was like to be in jail as a kid.

00:18:12.000 See my father die in front of me.

00:18:14.000 My best friend shot as he was going over the fence in juvie.

00:18:17.000 A lot of stuff that happened to me as a kid.

00:18:20.000 You just glossed over some pretty crazy stories.

00:18:23.000 Yeah.

00:18:24.000 You saw your father die in front of you?

00:18:25.000 Yeah.

00:18:27.000 Shit, piss and go.

00:18:31.000 Whew.

00:18:32.000 It took a long time to get over it, but I never got over it.

00:18:35.000 But women saved my life, because every time I got somebody good, she was smart, she was talented, and she filled in that thing.

00:18:44.000 Barbara gave me a career, and my wife gave me love.

00:18:47.000 That's beautiful.

00:18:49.000 Yeah.

00:18:50.000 And Peter Guber, I love him.

00:18:53.000 We broke up, not in a good way.

00:18:54.000 One of the smartest, most wonderful men I ever met in my life.

00:18:57.000 I wish I had not lost him as my friend after a partnership of 15 years.

00:19:03.000 What happened?

00:19:04.000 How did it go south?

00:19:05.000 I got it.

00:19:05.000 I always fucked his wife.

00:19:07.000 Whoops.

00:19:08.000 We got so close that she started feeling for me, and because I'm a talker and Peter isn't, she started getting very connected to me.

00:19:18.000 Not in my intention, not in my want, it didn't thing.

00:19:21.000 I didn't, you know, but I did feel romantic because she was different than Barbara too.

00:19:26.000 She was very loving, but I never touched her, and I think that It was a breach that my karma, it kicked my ass for 10 years.

00:19:35.000 I couldn't, I was so fucked up by losing him.

00:19:39.000 It took me a while to get myself back and to take responsibility for what I did.

00:19:43.000 I never touched her, but she would come sit in a jacuzzi with me and 10 other girls and smoke dope.

00:19:51.000 It just got too close.

00:19:54.000 Is that one of the hardest things about putting together all these films, is the relationships between all the people that are involved?

00:20:01.000 Yeah, you have to be a master manipulator.

00:20:03.000 And you've got to be with each other all the time.

00:20:04.000 All the time.

00:20:05.000 Because you're working 16-hour days.

00:20:06.000 16-hour days.

00:20:07.000 And you have to get them to do things they don't want to do.

00:20:10.000 That's why I didn't do the thing with Dana.

00:20:12.000 I didn't want to be in Vegas with fighters.

00:20:14.000 I wanted to be with girls with titties and everything else.

00:20:21.000 But you got titties.

00:20:22.000 I love titties.

00:20:23.000 Show me.

00:20:25.000 You know, I was a professional ladies man because I was a hairdresser.

00:20:31.000 So every day, if I wasn't busy, I had to go out and find pretty girls and say, come on, let me do your hair.

00:20:38.000 When you're doing these films and it takes like 16-hour days and there's all these different personalities you're juggling, how do you keep like a vision of what you...

00:20:48.000 Same way you guys did in the UFC. I have a vision of the movie.

00:20:53.000 I sat with Dana and I said, this is bigger than the Power Rangers, Dana.

00:20:58.000 And Dana said, I never thought.

00:21:00.000 I said, yeah.

00:21:01.000 I said, because you guys naked and thing.

00:21:03.000 And I was dating Catherine Zeta-Jones.

00:21:06.000 We went to a big fight in Oklahoma where there's a gun show right here.

00:21:10.000 After the fight, the Brazilian wiped everybody out.

00:21:13.000 All the red guys, red-deck people, they started fighting with us.

00:21:18.000 And I was with Catherine and Victor and Hoyce and Hickson and...

00:21:25.000 Carlson, everybody got around us and walked us to our car to get us out.

00:21:29.000 Wow.

00:21:30.000 And that's when Catherine said, man, is Victor sexy?

00:21:36.000 I said, okay.

00:21:38.000 I said, let's open it.

00:21:40.000 I opened him a dojo.

00:21:42.000 I did everything.

00:21:42.000 I put him in business.

00:21:44.000 Wow.

00:21:47.000 That's a crazy history you've had.

00:21:50.000 Yes, I have, sir.

00:21:51.000 You've had a lot of wild experiences in your life.

00:21:54.000 Yeah, and as a little boy, my dad was an American Indian, Cherokee.

00:22:00.000 My mom's Italian.

00:22:02.000 So I was riding horses early, and they came to cast the Ten Commandments.

00:22:09.000 And I got picked out of like a thousand people to be in that and meet John Derrick, Cecil B. DeMille.

00:22:15.000 Whoa.

00:22:16.000 And I was an extra riding on a big bison with a little goat and the guy said, if any of these animals go to the bathroom, call pickup because when they go to the bathroom, it's that big because they're like 1,500 pounds.

00:22:31.000 So we're going down the thing and my little goat starts to shit and I went, oh, pickup!

00:22:36.000 And They cut and Dumeo came out and said, who said that?

00:22:40.000 I said, I did.

00:22:41.000 He said, the fucking big ones, man, not the little ones.

00:22:44.000 Now shut the fuck up or something like that, you know?

00:22:47.000 Oh, he should have been more specific.

00:22:49.000 Well, they're just little teeny things.

00:22:52.000 Yeah, little pellets.

00:22:53.000 But yeah, so from that time on, I got hooked in the movie business.

00:22:56.000 So something about, look, the UFC is a movie.

00:22:59.000 I went to Dana years ago and said, I want to do your movie.

00:23:03.000 Yeah, but can you encapsulate something like the UFC in a two-hour movie?

00:23:07.000 No.

00:23:08.000 No?

00:23:09.000 No.

00:23:10.000 But you can do your best.

00:23:12.000 You'd have to tell the story from the Gracie's angle.

00:23:16.000 Yeah.

00:23:17.000 And the street fights.

00:23:19.000 And the 14-hour fights.

00:23:21.000 UFC 1. Yeah, UFC 1 is the story.

00:23:23.000 Yeah, man.

00:23:24.000 That's the real story.

00:23:25.000 The Hoyce Gracie story.

00:23:26.000 Yeah, that's me.

00:23:27.000 That's how I got in.

00:23:28.000 Yeah.

00:23:28.000 How come...

00:23:29.000 Hoyce, Hickson, all those guys.

00:23:30.000 They were my guys.

00:23:31.000 No one's really done a movie on that.

00:23:33.000 No, but that's the thing I want to do.

00:23:35.000 And then I can involve Dana and you and all this stuff.

00:23:39.000 But I want to tell it from Brazil.

00:23:41.000 That's a great idea.

00:23:42.000 And then bring it back.

00:23:43.000 That's a great idea.

00:23:44.000 Yeah, it's a big epic.

00:23:45.000 But I see it in my head.

00:23:46.000 That's what happens.

00:23:47.000 I see things finished.

00:23:49.000 The Gracies are the most important family in the history of martial arts.

00:23:51.000 Totally.

00:23:52.000 They're the most important.

00:23:53.000 Totally.

00:23:54.000 They're the most important contributors to the overall...

00:23:57.000 100%.

00:23:57.000 Hey, it's in the culture, man.

00:23:59.000 Watch a TV show, and the lead actor's doing a choke in an arm bar.

00:24:02.000 It's like, what?

00:24:04.000 It's like a big permeate.

00:24:05.000 Because when we did it, the police would come.

00:24:08.000 We'd have to leave.

00:24:09.000 The cops would come.

00:24:11.000 You know.

00:24:11.000 They've got it so that the whole world practices jujitsu.

00:24:14.000 Yes, I see it.

00:24:15.000 And it was all them.

00:24:16.000 The kids are the kids.

00:24:17.000 Yeah, having Hoist on TV for UFC 1 started it all.

00:24:21.000 I remember it.

00:24:22.000 And you, you're a big, big part of it.

00:24:24.000 Thank you very much.

00:24:25.000 Big part of it.

00:24:26.000 You're part of that culture.

00:24:27.000 I'm a professional fan.

00:24:28.000 Yeah, well, you are.

00:24:30.000 And the way you handle yourself is like Dana's guy.

00:24:34.000 And between the two of you, without compromising each other, you do a brilliant job.

00:24:39.000 If you...

00:24:40.000 Left the show, I would be very upset.

00:24:43.000 As a fan.

00:24:44.000 If Dana leaves, I'm gone.

00:24:45.000 That's in my contract.

00:24:46.000 There is no show without Dana White.

00:24:48.000 No, no, no.

00:24:49.000 Take it down 60%.

00:24:51.000 Yeah, what he does is very different.

00:24:53.000 He knows what the fighters are.

00:24:55.000 He knows what their drama is.

00:24:57.000 Shut the fuck up.

00:24:58.000 You know how hard it is to do this fucking show?

00:25:01.000 You don't know fuck all.

00:25:02.000 You don't know how to fucking fight now.

00:25:03.000 Shut the fuck up.

00:25:05.000 He's a real guy.

00:25:06.000 Oh, man, he's great.

00:25:07.000 He's a real guy.

00:25:08.000 Like, that's really him.

00:25:10.000 He's a real guy all day long.

00:25:11.000 I'm nothing to him.

00:25:13.000 But to say that he loved me, you know why?

00:25:17.000 Because I made Vision Quest.

00:25:19.000 And Vision Quest, he said, changed his life.

00:25:22.000 Changed so many wrestlers' lives.

00:25:23.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:25:24.000 I was running to wrestle, and that's why I did that show.

00:25:27.000 And I found Madonna.

00:25:28.000 You know, it was one of my favorite scenes in that movie, in any movie, is the scene where the guy who works at the place with him is telling him about the soccer player.

00:25:39.000 Yeah.

00:25:40.000 And about how he is watching it at home, and just for that one moment, everyone gets elevated.

00:25:45.000 Yes, it's true.

00:25:46.000 It's true.

00:25:46.000 It's a great speech, though.

00:25:48.000 The other night...

00:25:50.000 When I had the first time in my life and I've seen a thousand fights and I've been in 200 of them to the death almost in the street.

00:25:58.000 When that guy was getting beat up by that black guy and he was punching him like a bag, I looked away.

00:26:04.000 I couldn't watch it.

00:26:05.000 It was the first time.

00:26:06.000 It was so brutal.

00:26:08.000 And it looked great.

00:26:10.000 On the other hand, what's he going to do when he comes across someone that can punch and really bob and weave?

00:26:15.000 Which guys are you talking about?

00:26:17.000 The black guy and the Stallone guy.

00:26:19.000 Oh, Cyril Ghosn and Ty Toonibasa.

00:26:22.000 Yeah, I'm bad with names.

00:26:22.000 I'm sorry.

00:26:23.000 Yeah, no worries.

00:26:23.000 No worries.

00:26:23.000 Yeah, Cyril Ghosn, man.

00:26:25.000 Goddamn, that was good.

00:26:26.000 Yeah.

00:26:27.000 He's insane.

00:26:28.000 He's such a smooth striker.

00:26:30.000 But it was a perfect storm.

00:26:31.000 Yeah.

00:26:32.000 He didn't have anybody coming at him.

00:26:34.000 This guy was big punches.

00:26:35.000 He was always open in the center.

00:26:37.000 Well, Cyril Ghan is just very agile.

00:26:39.000 Yeah, he was great.

00:26:40.000 He's very unusually agile for a big guy.

00:26:41.000 When we started, there were no black fighters.

00:26:44.000 I used to say when we get the black fighters in, you're going to see rhythm and movement and punches and things coming from here and there and everything else.

00:26:52.000 Dancing, man.

00:26:53.000 Life is a fucking musical.

00:26:56.000 You're either in it or you're out of it.

00:26:58.000 And you have to make your own life, which is what all these guys talk about every day, their own musical, their own pieces that work that fulfill your life to make you happy.

00:27:06.000 Because if you're not happy and you have money, you have nothing.

00:27:09.000 Take it from me.

00:27:10.000 This year, twice, in the hospital for what they call accidental suicide.

00:27:16.000 And because we were breaking up and I was self-medicating, which I've always done, legally, but not so much.

00:27:28.000 That's a hilarious definition right there.

00:27:30.000 What?

00:27:30.000 Legally, but not so much.

00:27:31.000 Right, exactly.

00:27:33.000 How self-medicating?

00:27:34.000 Legally, but a little sketchy.

00:27:37.000 Yeah, so I know the feeling of just, you know, especially at my age, 77, People, I'm preparing for another 20. So I'm in training for another 20. Beautiful.

00:27:53.000 The way I eat, the way I think, the way I do.

00:27:56.000 Listen, you're alive right now.

00:27:57.000 All you have to do is just keep pushing.

00:27:59.000 One day at a time, yeah.

00:28:00.000 Yeah, man.

00:28:01.000 It's like when you're at a certain stage of your life, if you're mobile and you want to do better, you can do better.

00:28:07.000 If you're alive, you can get better.

00:28:09.000 Totally.

00:28:10.000 100%.

00:28:10.000 Everybody can.

00:28:11.000 You'll feel better.

00:28:12.000 I know a lot of billionaires who are dead.

00:28:14.000 Yeah.

00:28:14.000 Unfortunately, there's so much stress involved in that kind of a job.

00:28:17.000 That's the problem.

00:28:18.000 Do you see Mark Zuckerberg's training MMA? Yes.

00:28:20.000 He's really pretty good at it.

00:28:21.000 Yes, yes.

00:28:22.000 Good for him.

00:28:22.000 It's like, I mean, for a guy, he's doing the right thing.

00:28:25.000 I'm looking at the exercises and doing the drills.

00:28:27.000 I saw him on the show.

00:28:28.000 He was great.

00:28:29.000 Interesting.

00:28:30.000 And that's one of the...

00:28:31.000 Crazy job that guy has.

00:28:33.000 He's a genius.

00:28:34.000 Yeah.

00:28:34.000 And now he has to feed the genius.

00:28:36.000 But I mean, imagine being responsible for three billion people's content and also you have shareholders and also you have like CEOs and all these people meeting.

00:28:45.000 I wouldn't be able to sleep.

00:28:46.000 I don't know how he does it.

00:28:46.000 Me neither.

00:28:47.000 And, you know, he said that training was one of the best things for him because he was running, but unfortunately running, he said, made him think more.

00:28:53.000 Yeah.

00:28:54.000 So he's thinking about all these problems while he's running.

00:28:56.000 Yeah, because he had quiet time.

00:28:57.000 And he had endorphins, yeah.

00:28:58.000 Right.

00:28:59.000 But when he's training, he can't think of anything else.

00:29:00.000 Like when someone's trying to tackle him.

00:29:02.000 He doesn't want to get hit.

00:29:02.000 Exactly.

00:29:03.000 So all you're focused on is that, and that cleanses the mind.

00:29:06.000 Have you ever been in a fight where it's full-blown to whoever gets knocked out?

00:29:12.000 You've been in like a full-contact fight?

00:29:13.000 Yes.

00:29:13.000 Yeah.

00:29:14.000 Yeah.

00:29:14.000 I mean, like a street fight fight.

00:29:16.000 No, I didn't really get in street fights.

00:29:18.000 Yeah.

00:29:18.000 No, I avoided street fights.

00:29:19.000 I mean, the last street fight I had was probably when I was like 14. Yeah.

00:29:23.000 The last one I got in, I lost.

00:29:25.000 And the guy didn't even hurt me.

00:29:27.000 He got me in a headlock.

00:29:29.000 Like, I didn't even know we were going to fight.

00:29:30.000 I was like, why is this guy staring at me like this?

00:29:32.000 Like, he got in my face.

00:29:33.000 He grabbed me in a headlock and he threw me to the ground.

00:29:36.000 And he got on top of me in the bathroom, the boys' room.

00:29:39.000 And he went like that.

00:29:40.000 He was going to punch me and then he'd laugh.

00:29:41.000 He was like, nah, I don't even have to.

00:29:43.000 And he just let me up, and it was humiliating.

00:29:46.000 It was humiliating.

00:29:47.000 And then I realized, like, oh my god, I gotta learn how to wrestle.

00:29:50.000 And then I joined the wrestling team.

00:29:52.000 And then when I wrestled, I was wrestling, and then I started doing Taekwondo the same year.

00:29:58.000 And I liked Taekwondo a lot more.

00:30:00.000 I just liked the idea of knocking someone unconscious.

00:30:03.000 It was very exciting to me.

00:30:04.000 So I got involved in that, and I did that for...

00:30:07.000 There was a time when...

00:30:11.000 Jerry Bruckheimer was partners with a guy named Don Simpson.

00:30:14.000 Don Simpson was a genius and so was Jerry.

00:30:18.000 Top Gun is one of the best movies I've ever seen in my life.

00:30:21.000 Great fucking movie.

00:30:22.000 I've seen it ten times.

00:30:24.000 I just watch it over and over and over and over.

00:30:25.000 It's so damn fucking brilliantly done.

00:30:28.000 It's like I did Stars Born two years ago.

00:30:31.000 We had the soundtrack.

00:30:33.000 We had the things.

00:30:33.000 They had everything.

00:30:34.000 And at the time, Top Gun just blew the roof off the world.

00:30:38.000 It did, but this is better.

00:30:41.000 This one that they did now.

00:30:42.000 The new one you think is better?

00:30:43.000 I need to watch it.

00:30:46.000 I haven't watched it yet.

00:30:47.000 The cameras are in the cockpit, man.

00:30:49.000 And they go like this.

00:30:51.000 And you're in the cockpit.

00:30:52.000 And you got the music.

00:30:54.000 And you got the score.

00:30:54.000 Talk about a musical.

00:30:55.000 It's a musical.

00:30:56.000 Wow.

00:30:56.000 And he's phenomenal.

00:30:58.000 You're going to go, how's he doing that?

00:30:59.000 How's he doing that?

00:31:00.000 Do they play Highway to the Danger Zone?

00:31:01.000 Yes.

00:31:02.000 The hair steps on the back of your neck, man.

00:31:05.000 Of course they do.

00:31:06.000 Of course they do.

00:31:07.000 Crazy.

00:31:08.000 That's amazing.

00:31:08.000 The brilliant movie.

00:31:09.000 I called Bruckheimer.

00:31:10.000 I said, look.

00:31:12.000 You're the camp, man.

00:31:13.000 I love you.

00:31:14.000 This is a brilliant movie.

00:31:15.000 But see, just like I am with them, the way fighters are with each other, you know.

00:31:19.000 If somebody's good, they're damn good.

00:31:20.000 Right, right.

00:31:22.000 Yeah, there's...

00:31:22.000 Look, that's a classic movie.

00:31:25.000 That's a goddamn...

00:31:26.000 Do you have a favorite of all the movies you've done?

00:31:29.000 Well, I like Batman because it was one that was, it broke.

00:31:34.000 Nobody had done anything like that before.

00:31:36.000 And I had a big affair with Kim Basinger over there and we fell in love.

00:31:41.000 And I hired all UFC fighters to fight my stuff.

00:31:46.000 There's no such thing as UFC fighters, but those guys...

00:31:48.000 Martial arts guys?

00:31:49.000 Yeah.

00:31:49.000 Hit guys from the tongue.

00:31:51.000 Sword guys.

00:31:53.000 Two guys went to the hospital and they got cut because I pushed the limit on the damn thing.

00:31:58.000 And we shot it on the table with the fight sequences, with the way we shot it, everything that we did.

00:32:06.000 It may not look like it today, but in those days, Tim Burton was going to use a six-inch knife.

00:32:14.000 I said, no, we got the blade and we got the guys and they didn't think so.

00:32:17.000 Michael Keaton was a great fucking bad guy.

00:32:19.000 Genius.

00:32:20.000 The best.

00:32:21.000 Because he's the best actor in the world.

00:32:23.000 He's one of the top five actors who's ever lived.

00:32:26.000 Look at his career.

00:32:27.000 Look what he does.

00:32:28.000 Look what he did on Quailin's or whatever it is, on Vicodin or whatever it is.

00:32:33.000 That three-hour piece is, you know, and I'm sure he's in the program, I would have guessed.

00:32:39.000 I know he did because I hired him out of a movie called Clean and Sober.

00:32:43.000 And I saw in his eyes he could fight, because as a kid I got in so many fights, but I would read your eyes before I'd even make a move.

00:32:50.000 If I saw something I didn't like, I'd probably figure a way to get out of it.

00:32:54.000 And that's how I went from Hollywood.

00:32:57.000 To the chairman of Sony, to biotech companies, to this, to that, to the UFC, maybe it would have been great because I have good instincts and I kind of have like ordinary taste, let's say.

00:33:09.000 Did people resist?

00:33:10.000 They resisted Michael Keaton as Batman.

00:33:12.000 Nobody wanted him.

00:33:13.000 Yeah.

00:33:14.000 They didn't like that idea that a comedian...

00:33:16.000 Because he was a stand-up comic.

00:33:17.000 Yeah, they wanted a 6'3 guy to come in with the big muscles.

00:33:20.000 I said, no, look in his eyes.

00:33:22.000 He's a killer.

00:33:23.000 He'll stab you five times in the neck before you even know what happened.

00:33:26.000 Yeah.

00:33:28.000 Is he your favorite Batman?

00:33:29.000 Yeah.

00:33:30.000 Christian Bale's a pretty fucking good Batman, too.

00:33:32.000 Brilliant.

00:33:32.000 He was brilliant.

00:33:33.000 Those two guys.

00:33:35.000 That guy's willing to do things that most people are not willing to do.

00:33:38.000 He's willing to get fat.

00:33:39.000 He's willing to almost die of starvation.

00:33:41.000 That's how they have a career.

00:33:43.000 Yeah.

00:33:43.000 If you watch that Machinist, which is not the best movie, But what's interesting about the movie is just Christian Bale.

00:33:49.000 The fact that he's basically a skeleton.

00:33:51.000 He ate like a can of tuna and an apple a day.

00:33:54.000 Most actors are crazy.

00:33:57.000 He's a nut.

00:33:57.000 And then six months later he was Batman.

00:34:00.000 Jacked.

00:34:00.000 I know.

00:34:02.000 You have to be crazy.

00:34:04.000 You have to be crazy to be that good.

00:34:05.000 Jack Nicholson is my good friend, and he's crazy as a loon.

00:34:08.000 Has to be.

00:34:09.000 And a brilliant guy, and thank God he kind of retired like 10 years ago.

00:34:13.000 Watch Chinatown.

00:34:14.000 Yeah, I know.

00:34:15.000 Watch Chinatown.

00:34:15.000 I mean, fucking amazing.

00:34:17.000 I know.

00:34:18.000 Like that guy, of course he's crazy.

00:34:19.000 How else could he be that good?

00:34:20.000 You can't...

00:34:21.000 I'm standing on a corner, La Cienega and Santa Monica, And with my wife at the time, Leslie Ann Warren, she's pregnant with my son.

00:34:31.000 This goes back 50 years ago, maybe, whatever it was.

00:34:34.000 Four guys pulled by in the car, and they go, Cinderella sucks, and they flip it off.

00:34:38.000 Now, I'm from the valley.

00:34:40.000 So I said, just wait.

00:34:42.000 She played Cinderella on television.

00:34:44.000 That was her thing.

00:34:45.000 So I said, wait here.

00:34:46.000 I jumped in my car, and I chased these guys down the street.

00:34:48.000 I caught them at a signal.

00:34:49.000 I came up next.

00:34:50.000 I was about to hit them.

00:34:51.000 He said, no, no, no.

00:34:51.000 I'm in her acting class, man.

00:34:53.000 We're all actors.

00:34:54.000 That was a joke, whatever it is.

00:34:57.000 Many years later, I do Witches of Eastwick.

00:35:02.000 And we're going to meet Jack Nicholson.

00:35:04.000 And as I walk in, he looks at me and says, hey, Cinderella sucks.

00:35:07.000 It was him.

00:35:10.000 It was him?

00:35:11.000 Yes!

00:35:11.000 That's hilarious!

00:35:13.000 Yes!

00:35:14.000 Holy shit!

00:35:15.000 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

00:35:17.000 Oh my god, that's hilarious.

00:35:19.000 Yeah, no, I've got...

00:35:20.000 You almost beat up Jack Nicholson.

00:35:22.000 Yeah, no, but I mean, it was like...

00:35:24.000 That's hilarious that it's him all those years later.

00:35:26.000 Yeah, I was defending what I thought was my pregnant lady.

00:35:29.000 How fucking good is he in The Shining?

00:35:32.000 I watched that again recently too.

00:35:36.000 He's a genius.

00:35:38.000 There's a few of those guys that like, have you ever seen the video?

00:35:41.000 I'm sure you have.

00:35:42.000 There's a video of him warming up for his scene where he goes through the bathroom door with the hatchet.

00:35:47.000 I saw it, yeah.

00:35:47.000 And he's just like jumping around the room and getting so fired up.

00:35:51.000 He never knew how to fight, but he's a tough guy.

00:35:55.000 He'll fight if he has to.

00:35:56.000 He's got big, strong legs.

00:35:59.000 There's people that just captivate a story.

00:36:01.000 And so when you're casting, when you're putting together a film, and you've got a big film that's very important to you, how do you know who the right guy is?

00:36:11.000 Do you just go on instinct?

00:36:12.000 How do you know who the good fighters are?

00:36:14.000 They speak to you.

00:36:16.000 They speak to me.

00:36:18.000 In other words, I knew that Brad and Angelina together in the right thing would be amazing, right?

00:36:24.000 And it's a love story, fell apart.

00:36:26.000 So I'm going to get Brad again and I'm going to try to get Margot Robbie or somebody like that.

00:36:30.000 But if somebody, if I get it for a guy, I want to work with them.

00:36:34.000 If a girl gives it to me, I want to work with her.

00:36:36.000 They speak to me.

00:36:37.000 They speak to you.

00:36:38.000 For you, it's just about how you communicate with them.

00:36:41.000 Yeah, and their energies.

00:36:43.000 What they've done.

00:36:45.000 Victor Belford, when I saw him the first time roll with a couple of, like three guys in a row.

00:36:50.000 And when Catherine Zeta-Jones went, ooh, amazing.

00:36:53.000 His balls were hanging out.

00:36:54.000 You know, they were those little tight things, ripped like shit.

00:36:58.000 I come in like, you know, I'm doing my stuff, you know.

00:37:01.000 So, no, it's just like I have a gift of instinct.

00:37:07.000 You know, I mean, look, I've been following you from the beginning, man.

00:37:09.000 Of all the people in the whole world, whether it matters, you're the only one that I wanted to talk to, because I figured you're the only one who would get what I am.

00:37:15.000 I couldn't talk fights with anybody, and I really love it more than anything.

00:37:19.000 Well, I appreciate that very much.

00:37:21.000 And it's an honor.

00:37:22.000 It's an honor to have you on.

00:37:22.000 It really is.

00:37:23.000 Yes.

00:37:23.000 Oh, man.

00:37:24.000 So I'd love to come back another time, sometime maybe.

00:37:26.000 You can stay on now.

00:37:28.000 Oh, good.

00:37:28.000 Okay, great, great, great.

00:37:29.000 Keep going, man.

00:37:30.000 Great, great.

00:37:31.000 So listen, so I'm going to tell you something that's not supposed to be...

00:37:34.000 I shouldn't say this.

00:37:35.000 Don't.

00:37:36.000 Don't get yourself in trouble.

00:37:37.000 Okay, I don't want to get in trouble.

00:37:37.000 I think you already got into a little trouble.

00:37:39.000 I did already.

00:37:42.000 I love that.

00:37:43.000 I love that you're you, though.

00:37:45.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:37:45.000 But I love that.

00:37:47.000 That's the hardest thing that people have.

00:37:49.000 That's the hardest problem.

00:37:50.000 I don't know how to be anything else.

00:37:50.000 So many people, they get stuck at a job where they can't be themselves.

00:37:54.000 My sister died yesterday.

00:37:55.000 What?

00:37:55.000 Yeah.

00:37:56.000 And I found out at 3 o'clock in the afternoon.

00:37:59.000 And it really shook me up because she has five kids.

00:38:02.000 She was 58. She had been having a hard time, but she just had a fall and a thing and a blood clot and this and that in her ass.

00:38:09.000 So, you know, I didn't want to cancel this because this is more important to me.

00:38:14.000 I'll be there tomorrow.

00:38:15.000 I'll help take care of the business.

00:38:17.000 She has a husband.

00:38:18.000 She has a husband.

00:38:18.000 But these things happen.

00:38:20.000 And I told you, when that happened with my dad, it hardened me.

00:38:26.000 It hardened me.

00:38:27.000 And not until I met Julia did she really open my heart.

00:38:33.000 And then came craziness, drugs, because my heart was open.

00:38:37.000 I was feeling good and bad things.

00:38:40.000 Once you open that door, man, a lot of shit comes out.

00:38:44.000 And that door can be opened by your children, by your wife, or whoever.

00:38:50.000 But not everything comes out good.

00:38:52.000 So you realized before that that you were kind of protecting who you were?

00:38:56.000 Totally!

00:38:56.000 I was numb.

00:38:57.000 I was dating 20 women at a time.

00:38:59.000 My plane would pick them up in Paris and bring them here and do and Jacuzzi and this and covers the magazines.

00:39:05.000 So you were distracting yourself?

00:39:07.000 Totally.

00:39:08.000 So I met this woman, therapist, Dr. Bita and I just sat on our couch and we both cried.

00:39:15.000 She held me for an hour and I began to unravel the mystery.

00:39:20.000 Have you done much psychedelic drugs?

00:39:23.000 Early on.

00:39:24.000 Early on?

00:39:25.000 Yeah.

00:39:25.000 Psilocybin.

00:39:26.000 How long early on?

00:39:29.000 Not like today, probably 30 years ago.

00:39:31.000 How come you haven't done it more recently?

00:39:33.000 Because anxiety scares me and I'm afraid if I lose control of what's going to happen.

00:39:38.000 You know, the way to get over that is to do it slowly, like microdose.

00:39:43.000 That's what my girl wants to do.

00:39:44.000 She says, let's microdose.

00:39:45.000 I think it would be good for everybody.

00:39:47.000 It's really good for soldiers.

00:39:49.000 For soldiers who come back with PTSD. Yeah, that's me.

00:39:53.000 I'm a soldier who came back with PTSD. Went to juvie, early beginning, my stepfather beat my mother up every night.

00:40:01.000 One day I got a 2x4 and broke both of his legs.

00:40:03.000 That's how I got to juvie.

00:40:05.000 That's 100% the same kind of thing.

00:40:07.000 Yeah, I used to watch it for a year.

00:40:09.000 Yeah, that's real PTSD. And he would drink.

00:40:13.000 And that affects kids sometimes in a way that they don't even realize until they're adults.

00:40:16.000 When I would fight, Joe, I didn't feel the punches.

00:40:19.000 Ever.

00:40:20.000 I went right through everybody.

00:40:22.000 I never lost a fight.

00:40:23.000 And I was a gymnast.

00:40:24.000 You never lost a fight?

00:40:26.000 Never.

00:40:26.000 Now, a lot of reasons.

00:40:28.000 I wasn't a professional fighter, and I could choose where I got.

00:40:31.000 It was the only reason.

00:40:31.000 So you just made good choices.

00:40:32.000 I made good choices.

00:40:34.000 Yeah.

00:40:34.000 I made good choices, absolutely.

00:40:36.000 Could I have lost a lot of them?

00:40:37.000 Yes, I started training.

00:40:39.000 This fellow took a liking to me years ago.

00:40:42.000 His name was Art Aragon, and he's a Spanish fighter.

00:40:45.000 That's a great name.

00:40:46.000 Yeah, he's a Spanish fighter, and he had razor blades for hands.

00:40:50.000 And he, early on, taught me how to box.

00:40:54.000 So I had a mixture of lots of things.

00:40:56.000 And Bob Otto, we were going to talk about Bob Otto.

00:40:58.000 My grandfather, who worked for the May Company, was a big department store, the Italian side, Pagano.

00:41:03.000 He ran the alterations department, and he had a lot of people working for him.

00:41:08.000 And so in the valley, he had a couple acres, and he had a house, and one of the houses his gardener was on.

00:41:12.000 His gardener was Bob Otto, the early teachers of the Gracie's dad.

00:41:17.000 And he started...

00:41:20.000 The first thing he ever did was choke me out with my own jacket.

00:41:24.000 What was Bob Otto's style?

00:41:27.000 I don't know.

00:41:28.000 Jiu-jitsu.

00:41:29.000 So when you say early teacher of the Gracie's dad, what do you mean?

00:41:32.000 In other words...

00:41:33.000 He trained with them?

00:41:34.000 When I met them and I brought it up, they acknowledged him.

00:41:39.000 And his dad had known him.

00:41:40.000 Under what degree...

00:41:41.000 Oh, so they trained together.

00:41:43.000 Or their reputation, because Otto had two schools, 500 kids.

00:41:50.000 I mean, he had a big operation.

00:41:52.000 Right.

00:41:53.000 So I learned early because the way I was going to Van Nuys and Van Nuys Junior High School in those days was all Hispanic.

00:42:04.000 A lot of fighting.

00:42:07.000 You know who's a super legit martial artist and an actor is Chuck Norris.

00:42:11.000 I trained with him for four years.

00:42:13.000 Did you really?

00:42:14.000 Yeah, I'm Ventura Ballard.

00:42:15.000 No kidding.

00:42:16.000 With my son, yeah.

00:42:17.000 What years were this?

00:42:18.000 I don't know.

00:42:19.000 A long time ago.

00:42:19.000 Wow.

00:42:20.000 Chuck Norris was a legit karate champion.

00:42:24.000 Yep.

00:42:24.000 Incredible kicks.

00:42:25.000 And then recognized that he needed to learn Jiu Jitsu and went to the Machados and got his black belt in Jiu Jitsu.

00:42:31.000 He's legit.

00:42:32.000 100% above board.

00:42:33.000 I know.

00:42:34.000 He brought in the Machados to all of his Chuck Norris academies.

00:42:37.000 They all taught them.

00:42:37.000 They were all humbled.

00:42:39.000 They realized, like, oh my god, I'm so vulnerable.

00:42:41.000 All these guys back in that day, like in the Gracie in Action series, all these guys who thought they were killers.

00:42:47.000 They were so vulnerable.

00:42:48.000 They had no idea.

00:42:49.000 I understand.

00:42:50.000 I was there.

00:42:50.000 It was amazing.

00:42:51.000 Watching those guys do four or five fights a night.

00:42:54.000 Yeah.

00:42:55.000 Incredible.

00:42:55.000 And that crazy man came in with the cross.

00:42:57.000 Kimo.

00:42:58.000 Yeah.

00:42:58.000 And ponytailing.

00:42:59.000 Yeah, Hoist is grabbing him by the ponytail and punching him in the face.

00:43:02.000 I know, I loved it, man.

00:43:03.000 Yeah, it was incredible.

00:43:04.000 I loved it.

00:43:04.000 Caught him in an arm bar.

00:43:05.000 That was like a four, we talked about it the other day, it was like a four minute something fight.

00:43:10.000 How about that Oriano guy and the fireman holding each other, bang, bang, bang, bang.

00:43:16.000 Oh yeah, Takayama and Don Frye.

00:43:19.000 Don Frye, Predator Frye.

00:43:20.000 If he could move...

00:43:21.000 He was one of the toughest men that's ever lived.

00:43:23.000 Wow!

00:43:24.000 That guy was a fucking monster.

00:43:26.000 Amazing, man.

00:43:26.000 He's all banged up now because of all his surgeries.

00:43:29.000 Yeah.

00:43:30.000 He did some pro wrestling too, which is not so good on the back either.

00:43:33.000 You know, Don Frye was a beast.

00:43:35.000 Yeah, I've had a lot of...

00:43:36.000 My back has been a problem too.

00:43:38.000 Yeah, everybody.

00:43:39.000 Yeah, well, you'll see when you get older.

00:43:42.000 I'm old.

00:43:43.000 Yeah, you're a baby.

00:43:43.000 I'm 55. Yeah, you're a baby.

00:43:45.000 I'm a baby.

00:43:45.000 Oh, nice.

00:43:46.000 I'm 22 years older than you.

00:43:47.000 Fuck yeah, I'm a baby.

00:43:49.000 You look like a teenager, man.

00:43:50.000 Yeah, like a teenager.

00:43:50.000 Look at your life.

00:43:51.000 Like a little kid.

00:43:52.000 Yeah, basically childlike.

00:43:53.000 You smoked a joint and you made your life work.

00:43:56.000 Very childlike in that regard.

00:43:57.000 No, inspirational.

00:43:59.000 Oh, thank you.

00:44:00.000 Because it's exploring the things that you really dig and like.

00:44:03.000 And it's inspirational.

00:44:04.000 A lot of cool people in here.

00:44:05.000 I love everybody.

00:44:06.000 Well, I'm very fortunate.

00:44:07.000 I'm very fortunate that I could have conversations like this with you.

00:44:10.000 It's fun.

00:44:11.000 It means a lot to me.

00:44:12.000 It's a cool thing.

00:44:13.000 It's a cool thing to be able to do.

00:44:15.000 And I'm glad you chose this.

00:44:17.000 Thank you.

00:44:17.000 As I wanted.

00:44:18.000 I'm honored.

00:44:19.000 I said to Dane, I said, he's the only one who'll get me.

00:44:21.000 Otherwise, no point.

00:44:22.000 What's the point?

00:44:23.000 Yeah, well, when Dana contacted me, he's like, I hate fucking doing this.

00:44:26.000 Yeah, I know.

00:44:27.000 Because he doesn't do it with most of the times people.

00:44:29.000 I know, I know, I know.

00:44:30.000 But with you, I went, yeah, fuck yeah, let's go.

00:44:32.000 Well, I'll tell you a story that he won't tell you.

00:44:34.000 Uh-oh.

00:44:36.000 Don't tell me the whole world.

00:44:38.000 If Dana won't tell me, don't tell the whole world.

00:44:41.000 Yeah, I'll tell the world.

00:44:42.000 So I called him up and I said, look, Dana, I said, I got an idea.

00:44:49.000 Let me do a little special on the fighting girls of the UFC. He said, done.

00:44:55.000 So I said, okay.

00:44:56.000 So I put together a team.

00:44:57.000 I started putting this thing together.

00:44:59.000 I had these amazing girls hosting it.

00:45:01.000 It was incredible.

00:45:02.000 He calls me back.

00:45:04.000 Almost when it's done.

00:45:05.000 Actually, it was almost done.

00:45:06.000 We were just on editing.

00:45:07.000 He said, can't do it.

00:45:09.000 They don't want any outside producers.

00:45:12.000 And I'd already spent 60 grand.

00:45:14.000 So I went...

00:45:16.000 That's cool, man.

00:45:16.000 I love you.

00:45:17.000 I said, I don't want to cause a rift.

00:45:19.000 He said, you know, you said yes right away because you love me, not thinking that the new company has rules.

00:45:25.000 And I'm kind of an outlaw in Hollywood, so I get it.

00:45:29.000 And that was that.

00:45:30.000 And he was a mensch, so when I called him, I said, look, I need a favor.

00:45:33.000 I really want to do this before I die.

00:45:36.000 I said, it's important to me to speak and then take a look at it and see what I look like, because I don't know, really.

00:45:42.000 And he said...

00:45:44.000 I'll talk to him.

00:45:45.000 That was it.

00:45:47.000 Well, I love Dana to death.

00:45:49.000 So anytime Dana has something like that, I'm down for it.

00:45:53.000 Yeah, that was really sweet.

00:45:54.000 He's the best.

00:45:54.000 Yeah, he is.

00:45:55.000 I love that guy.

00:45:55.000 I do, too.

00:45:57.000 You know what I say in every weigh-in?

00:45:58.000 I say Dana White when I want to introduce everybody.

00:46:00.000 I say Dana White.

00:46:01.000 Without him, none of this would be possible.

00:46:02.000 None of it.

00:46:04.000 None of it.

00:46:05.000 Yeah, you gotta realize the success that it has now, a lot of it is that guy's driving for us.

00:46:11.000 Heartbeat.

00:46:11.000 He's a fucking maniac.

00:46:12.000 Heartbeat.

00:46:13.000 His heartbeat.

00:46:14.000 He lives for it.

00:46:15.000 Your heartbeat.

00:46:16.000 He lives for it.

00:46:16.000 The wrestler guy, I love him, the heartbeat.

00:46:18.000 Dana and I, I'll call him sometimes at midnight, and we'll talk on the phone for two hours.

00:46:23.000 Just talk about fights.

00:46:24.000 Yeah.

00:46:24.000 Just talk about fights.

00:46:25.000 Yeah, I can do that too.

00:46:26.000 Not as good as you guys, but you see, I do know a little bit, you know?

00:46:30.000 Yeah, well, we've seen them all.

00:46:31.000 Yeah, I know, I know.

00:46:32.000 It's so crazy.

00:46:33.000 I know, I know.

00:46:34.000 I've probably seen like a thousand fights plus up close.

00:46:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:37.000 At least.

00:46:38.000 You know, the fella, the Brazilian kid that is so damn good looking...

00:46:46.000 He looked like he was doing fine.

00:46:48.000 He didn't use all of the body shots he could have.

00:46:50.000 Well, Luke Rockhold is a bad motherfucker.

00:46:52.000 That's what it is.

00:46:54.000 It was a tough fight for him.

00:46:55.000 It's a tough fight.

00:46:55.000 If Luke Rockhold was in his prime, it would be a way tougher fight.

00:46:58.000 If he fought the Luke Rockhold that beat Chris Weidman as one of the greatest middleweights that's ever lived, he was a fucking machine.

00:47:04.000 But the reality of that kind of level of competition is you can only maintain it for so long.

00:47:09.000 Yeah.

00:47:09.000 Like every human body has an expiration date, you know, where you start getting too injured and too fucked up.

00:47:15.000 And Luke has been dealing with a lot of that himself.

00:47:17.000 He's just not totally healthy.

00:47:18.000 He's banged up.

00:47:19.000 So all these guys, when they get to that point, there's like this point where they're like, where they're just firing on all cylinders.

00:47:26.000 And that only lasts for like a few years.

00:47:28.000 Yeah, I know.

00:47:29.000 I lived it.

00:47:30.000 Yeah, I'm sure you did.

00:47:31.000 Slightly differently, but yeah.

00:47:32.000 No, but I've lived it three or four times.

00:47:34.000 Yeah.

00:47:35.000 How so?

00:47:36.000 Well, first time was in the fashion business.

00:47:38.000 That's not the same as fighting.

00:47:40.000 Well, no.

00:47:41.000 Career.

00:47:42.000 Career.

00:47:43.000 Yes, yes.

00:47:43.000 Career.

00:47:44.000 Career.

00:47:45.000 But I'm saying, like, with a fighter, they can't come back.

00:47:47.000 But it is the same as fighting.

00:47:48.000 Except I'm fighting 500 people to get it done.

00:47:51.000 See, it is the same because I've used that analogy throughout my career knowing that I could kick the ass of anybody I was doing business with.

00:48:00.000 It gave me an edge in the meeting, in my mind.

00:48:04.000 In your mind.

00:48:04.000 Yeah.

00:48:05.000 Right.

00:48:05.000 So now putting it all together, doing it together, sacrificing doing it, getting it out, having a movie be a hit, it's hard.

00:48:12.000 I'm sure it's hard.

00:48:14.000 It's not like fighting.

00:48:15.000 I understand that.

00:48:16.000 The reason why it's not like fighting is because the fighter's body stops working and their mind wants to continue.

00:48:20.000 Their body just can't do it anymore.

00:48:22.000 In a funny way, it happens in my business too.

00:48:25.000 It happens, I think it parallels in all forms of life.

00:48:27.000 If you're in the upper one-tenth of one percent, you do have a time when it's all over.

00:48:32.000 I think that's with everything in life.

00:48:33.000 It is.

00:48:34.000 I think that is.

00:48:35.000 And I think that's the cycle that's supposed to take place.

00:48:38.000 And then new people come up.

00:48:39.000 It is.

00:48:39.000 It does.

00:48:40.000 It's beautiful.

00:48:41.000 And in a good culture, the new people salute the people that were there before them.

00:48:46.000 100%.

00:48:47.000 Yes.

00:48:48.000 Yes, I agree.

00:48:49.000 It's mutually beneficial.

00:48:50.000 And it's also beautiful.

00:48:51.000 It's beautiful to see the art form, carry on, whatever you're doing.

00:48:54.000 When I saw Top Gun and I called Bruckheimer and wherever he was, he called me back.

00:49:00.000 Because I worked with him on Flashdance.

00:49:04.000 I hired him as my line producer.

00:49:08.000 Goddamn, you did so many good movies.

00:49:09.000 Thank you.

00:49:12.000 Pull up his IMDB. It's crazy.

00:49:15.000 It's wild to see.

00:49:16.000 Yeah.

00:49:16.000 I mean, just producing.

00:49:18.000 How many did you produce?

00:49:20.000 As far as producing executives, because in our case, executive proves the same thing, because we own it.

00:49:25.000 Right, right, right.

00:49:25.000 So we put everybody.

00:49:26.000 It's like Joe, like Dana.

00:49:28.000 What's the overall number, though?

00:49:29.000 Oh, I don't know.

00:49:30.000 With everything, 80, 90, something like that.

00:49:33.000 And so many fucking hits.

00:49:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:36.000 So many hits.

00:49:37.000 American Wealth of London, Caddyshack.

00:49:41.000 The main event, Eyes of Laura Mars, that's a fucking classic.

00:49:45.000 I haven't thought about that movie in a long time.

00:49:47.000 Vision Quest, the greatest wrestling movie of all time.

00:49:51.000 What was the legend of Billie Jean?

00:49:53.000 It was a story about a young girl who took charge of her life because her mother was being raped by her father and she went after these guys and she was the first female vigilante.

00:50:04.000 Click on that.

00:50:04.000 I know I saw that.

00:50:06.000 I know I saw that.

00:50:07.000 But that was from 85?

00:50:10.000 Oh, yeah!

00:50:12.000 Yeah.

00:50:13.000 I remember this movie.

00:50:14.000 I loved her, man.

00:50:15.000 She was a wonderful lady.

00:50:17.000 I remember this movie.

00:50:18.000 Yeah.

00:50:19.000 All right, go back to IMDb.

00:50:22.000 Female vigilante.

00:50:24.000 You were in Gambler with Madonna, The Color Purple.

00:50:27.000 Wow.

00:50:28.000 Yeah.

00:50:29.000 Clan of the Cave Bear.

00:50:30.000 That was, um...

00:50:31.000 Yeah.

00:50:31.000 That girl is gorgeous.

00:50:33.000 I forgot her name.

00:50:34.000 God damn it.

00:50:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:36.000 Yeah, there she is.

00:50:37.000 Daryl Hannah.

00:50:38.000 Daryl Hannah.

00:50:38.000 I have a Daryl Hannah story.

00:50:40.000 Yeah.

00:50:40.000 When I first moved to Hollywood, it was like 1994, I was at Cantor's Deli and I was sitting tableside to Daryl Hannah and a couple of her friends.

00:50:50.000 And I couldn't fucking believe that it was...

00:50:53.000 How beautiful.

00:50:53.000 First of all, she's so beautiful, no makeup, just sitting there chilling.

00:50:56.000 Right.

00:50:56.000 And looked so normal.

00:50:57.000 Just hanging.

00:50:58.000 I'm like, that's Daryl fucking Hannah.

00:51:00.000 And she's just sitting next to me at Cantor's.

00:51:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:02.000 And they were real friendly.

00:51:05.000 Everybody was real friendly.

00:51:06.000 Hey, what's up?

00:51:06.000 How you doing?

00:51:07.000 She recognized that everybody was going to know who she was, but she was so casual.

00:51:11.000 And they were playing some sort of a game, some sort of a trivia game.

00:51:14.000 And she looked to me and I had the answer, just luckily.

00:51:17.000 It was like some state.

00:51:18.000 And I go, it's like Kentucky.

00:51:20.000 And it was, whatever it was.

00:51:22.000 I don't remember what the answer was.

00:51:24.000 And that was it.

00:51:25.000 That was all of our interaction.

00:51:26.000 But I was like, she's so nice, so normal.

00:51:28.000 She is.

00:51:28.000 She's a person.

00:51:29.000 She is.

00:51:30.000 Even though she's Daryl fucking Hannah.

00:51:32.000 A big star.

00:51:32.000 People that I'd ever sat next to that was that famous.

00:51:35.000 So I was a little weirded out by it.

00:51:37.000 Yeah.

00:51:37.000 See, I grew up with that because my uncles, the Paganos, the Italian twins, they did Marilyn Monroe.

00:51:44.000 They did all the movie stars.

00:51:45.000 So when I was a little kid, I was in their beauty shop.

00:51:48.000 Wow.

00:51:48.000 When was the first time you saw a movie star?

00:51:51.000 How old were you?

00:51:52.000 Oh, three.

00:51:55.000 So it wasn't even weird to you?

00:51:57.000 No.

00:51:57.000 And then I did it in their hair, see?

00:52:00.000 Right.

00:52:01.000 You know, on the magazine thing, clients come, they tell their friends.

00:52:08.000 I was doing 30, 40 people a day.

00:52:11.000 So how did you go from, was it Barbara Streisand?

00:52:13.000 You went from hair to hair?

00:52:14.000 It was basically Barbara, yeah.

00:52:15.000 I met her, I put the word out that I wanted to meet her and I'd go anywhere, anytime, anyplace for free and I knew the free would get her.

00:52:22.000 John, are you a hustler?

00:52:24.000 Baby, I am, motherfucker, every sense of the goddamn word, man.

00:52:28.000 What a crazy question.

00:52:29.000 What a crazy question to ask someone.

00:52:31.000 Such a strange question.

00:52:32.000 I don't know.

00:52:33.000 Is Dana White a hustler?

00:52:34.000 Are you a hustler?

00:52:35.000 Yeah.

00:52:35.000 Okay, so you hustle, right?

00:52:36.000 Yeah.

00:52:37.000 Even when your leg hurts, you hustle.

00:52:38.000 Me too.

00:52:39.000 The only difference is that I had to deal with overwhelming anxiety, which I have now pretty much got under control.

00:52:46.000 Well, that's another thing.

00:52:47.000 Just going into the fight, because everything was like a fight to me.

00:52:51.000 Right.

00:52:51.000 So you were constantly on edge.

00:52:52.000 Yeah.

00:52:52.000 So when I was a kid, and we were at Van Nuys Junior High School, and one of the Chicanos took me off.

00:52:57.000 I'd meet them in the back of the gym.

00:52:59.000 500 kids would show up, and we'd go at it.

00:53:01.000 I'd take them out.

00:53:02.000 I'd wrestle them down.

00:53:03.000 Boom, bop, bop.

00:53:04.000 It was it.

00:53:04.000 Really?

00:53:04.000 And it happened 30 times.

00:53:06.000 People would challenge me.

00:53:07.000 The kids would come.

00:53:09.000 I always had a sense of dramatic.

00:53:10.000 One time I knew I couldn't beat this kid.

00:53:12.000 There was the bleachers.

00:53:14.000 He was standing there.

00:53:15.000 I went up on the bleachers and I did a superman punch.

00:53:18.000 I dove off the bleachers and hit him like that and knocked him out.

00:53:21.000 Really?

00:53:22.000 I went this way, that way, and he went out.

00:53:24.000 I didn't know it was a superman punch.

00:53:26.000 I used the bleachers as a launching pad for my punch.

00:53:30.000 That's a creative maneuver.

00:53:31.000 Yeah, I'm a creative guy.

00:53:33.000 I get it.

00:53:36.000 I never got in any street fights like that.

00:53:38.000 I avoided them all.

00:53:40.000 Yeah, I was smart, but I was hurt.

00:53:42.000 My dad died.

00:53:43.000 I was in a lot of pain.

00:53:44.000 I didn't feel the punches.

00:53:46.000 I didn't feel nothing.

00:53:47.000 I got shot right in my chest.

00:53:49.000 I didn't feel it.

00:53:50.000 You got shot in your chest?

00:53:51.000 Yeah.

00:53:51.000 What caliber?

00:53:52.000 22. So it stayed.

00:53:54.000 Why did somebody shoot you?

00:53:55.000 It was a gang fight, and a guy brought a couple of guns, and this guy shot the gun, and a bullet hit me in the chest.

00:54:00.000 And then, like, many years later, when I married Leslie Ann Warren, who was a big Broadway star, we went to the doctor, and the guy took me in the room.

00:54:07.000 He said, I said, what?

00:54:09.000 He said, you know you've got a bullet in your chest?

00:54:11.000 I said, shh, don't tell anybody.

00:54:12.000 It was in the fatty part of the thing, and it's still there right now.

00:54:15.000 You still have a bullet right now, so if you go through an x-ray, it just shows up?

00:54:18.000 Yes.

00:54:19.000 Is that good to have lead in your body the whole time?

00:54:21.000 The doctors have said it's okay.

00:54:23.000 It's like a fatty part of my body.

00:54:25.000 Yeah, but isn't lead toxic?

00:54:27.000 Probably.

00:54:27.000 It probably should come out, but do I want to be cut?

00:54:30.000 No.

00:54:31.000 Yeah.

00:54:32.000 You know, when you get my age...

00:54:33.000 Yeah, I know what you're saying.

00:54:34.000 Yeah.

00:54:35.000 I'm done.

00:54:35.000 How far did it go in...

00:54:39.000 Oh, it's only like an inch in?

00:54:40.000 Yeah.

00:54:41.000 In this part.

00:54:41.000 I might take it out myself.

00:54:42.000 In this part.

00:54:43.000 Okay.

00:54:44.000 You've got an operating room behind this thing.

00:54:46.000 That's good.

00:54:47.000 Smoke another joint.

00:54:48.000 Now we'll be a surgeon.

00:54:49.000 I've got this little bench-made pocket knife.

00:54:51.000 We're good to go.

00:54:52.000 I'll take that fucker out for you.

00:54:54.000 Yeah, I don't think it's good to have lead in your body.

00:54:57.000 No, probably not.

00:54:58.000 Probably not.

00:54:59.000 You get to a point like me where every day that's a good day, every day I'm grateful.

00:55:04.000 I hear you.

00:55:05.000 And I have to work on it.

00:55:06.000 Yeah, I hear you.

00:55:07.000 And I can't be around negativity.

00:55:10.000 Well, that's a good rule for everybody in life.

00:55:12.000 When you're my age, you can be.

00:55:14.000 When you're old, when you're younger, it's not so easy.

00:55:16.000 But for me, I don't do it.

00:55:18.000 Yeah, it's not necessary.

00:55:19.000 All my people go to therapy.

00:55:21.000 All my people talk about their feelings.

00:55:23.000 Whoa.

00:55:23.000 Everybody I have works on themselves.

00:55:25.000 Otherwise, they can't be there because I'm a...

00:55:28.000 Somebody called me a shaman once, but I see things in people, and if it's not good and I can't help, it makes me anxious.

00:55:37.000 Well, you kind of are a shaman if you're leading people in a spiritual direction.

00:55:40.000 The problem with the word shaman is it comes with culty thinking.

00:55:46.000 I try to help with money, with spirituality.

00:55:50.000 I spend a lot of my day helping people, you know.

00:55:53.000 Well, that's beautiful.

00:55:54.000 That feels good, doesn't it?

00:55:55.000 The best.

00:55:56.000 Yeah, it's nice.

00:55:57.000 Tyson is maybe one of the consistently smartest guys I've listened to with all the guys on the thing.

00:56:02.000 He's not articulate.

00:56:04.000 He fumpers and shmumpers, but sometimes he'll say some beautiful things, man.

00:56:08.000 Well, he's a thoughtful person.

00:56:09.000 He's very.

00:56:10.000 And he knows a lot about history.

00:56:12.000 And pain.

00:56:12.000 Yeah, he knows a lot about pain for sure.

00:56:15.000 I saw the whole thing on the kings and queens and all that shit.

00:56:18.000 But more so, he's developing his emotional intelligence.

00:56:22.000 That's what gives you a happy life.

00:56:24.000 You know, I got to see two sides of Tyson because I got to see Mike when he was not fighting at all and he was just running that weed company.

00:56:32.000 And he came in and we had the greatest time.

00:56:34.000 We just got high as fuck and laughed and joked around.

00:56:37.000 It was so much fun.

00:56:38.000 And he said he doesn't even work out.

00:56:40.000 And I said, how come?

00:56:41.000 He goes, I don't want to reignite my ego.

00:56:42.000 That's how I felt.

00:56:43.000 I was afraid to get back in the gym, starting this thing, and then I'm tough on people.

00:56:49.000 I lose my temper.

00:56:50.000 I get edgy.

00:56:51.000 What the fuck?

00:56:52.000 Come on, man.

00:56:53.000 Yes.

00:56:54.000 When he said that, I went, oh, I feel the same way.

00:56:56.000 He said something when he was leading up to that fight with Roy Jones Jr., that the gods of war have reignited his ego.

00:57:04.000 Yes, I'm sure.

00:57:06.000 If he can find them, he's going to walk through them.

00:57:09.000 Yeah.

00:57:09.000 Well, in his prime, man, he was like, no one ever before.

00:57:13.000 Who?

00:57:13.000 Mike Tyson.

00:57:14.000 Yes.

00:57:14.000 In his prime, he was like, no one ever before.

00:57:16.000 But he still hits damn hard.

00:57:16.000 Oh, my God, he does.

00:57:17.000 I can see how he twerks his body.

00:57:19.000 Oh, my God.

00:57:20.000 He was training with Rafael Cordero, who was one of the original shoot-to-box instructors from the old, like the legendary gym in Brazil.

00:57:27.000 So Rafael Cordero came over, and now he's running King's MMA. And Tyson went to him to train.

00:57:32.000 Wow.

00:57:32.000 So Tyson was hitting mitts with Rafael Cordero.

00:57:36.000 It was fucking phenomenal watching him rip off combinations at 55 years old.

00:57:40.000 Bop, bop, bop!

00:57:41.000 Yeah.

00:57:42.000 Like, Jesus!

00:57:43.000 Amazing.

00:57:44.000 Oh my god, still.

00:57:46.000 You have the same body, so do I. I fucking definitely don't.

00:57:49.000 No, no.

00:57:50.000 In the sense of compact and strong.

00:57:54.000 Not long and...

00:57:56.000 Relatively.

00:57:56.000 ...and lean.

00:57:57.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:58.000 I prefer short and thick.

00:58:00.000 But what he is, he was a phenomenal combination of a kid who came from a horrible background to getting adopted by this guy who was a genius boxing instructor and having incredible work ethic and having incredible genetics and having incredible drive.

00:58:17.000 You know, he was 190 pounds when he was 13 years old.

00:58:20.000 Yeah, amazing.

00:58:20.000 Built like a fucking tank.

00:58:22.000 And Teddy Atlas used to bring him to these smokers, and he said, he's 13, like, get the fuck out of here, he's 16. They're like, okay, 16. So he'd have to fight 16-year-olds, because nobody believed he was 13. You know, the thing about Mike is that what beat everybody was his brain.

00:58:37.000 Mike was very smart.

00:58:39.000 Oh, he's very intense.

00:58:40.000 Yeah, but he's smart.

00:58:41.000 He knew what to take from Gus.

00:58:44.000 He knew how to be open to it.

00:58:46.000 He saw that Gus would...

00:58:47.000 Yeah, he's smart.

00:58:48.000 Well, Gus was a hypnotist.

00:58:51.000 That's the other thing.

00:58:51.000 He hypnotized Mike when he was very, very young.

00:58:53.000 And he trained him to think of nothing but the task.

00:58:57.000 Like, you don't even exist.

00:58:58.000 It's just the task.

00:58:59.000 The task exists.

00:59:00.000 Don't think about yourself.

00:59:00.000 Yeah, I know.

00:59:00.000 That's how I am.

00:59:01.000 He was fucking phenomenal.

00:59:03.000 Yeah, you have to be that way.

00:59:04.000 My partner, Peter Guber, God love his soul.

00:59:07.000 Yes, he was like that too.

00:59:08.000 Everywhere we go, we'd fly around.

00:59:10.000 He'd have 40 pages of notes and I had no notes because I remember everything.

00:59:15.000 Don't you think that for anything you want to do in life, if you really want to be at the top of your craft, you kind of have to be obsessed like that?

00:59:22.000 Yes, you have to be.

00:59:23.000 You have to be driven.

00:59:24.000 You have to want to be better.

00:59:26.000 You have to almost feel like you're going to die if you aren't.

00:59:30.000 That's where it mirrors itself in everything in life, no matter what you're doing.

00:59:34.000 If there's a thing that you find that you're obsessed with, no matter what that thing is, whether it's painting, making music, whatever that thing is, if you find that thing that you are obsessed with, that is the thing that's going to bring you the most joy, but you've got to give it everything you have.

00:59:47.000 100%.

00:59:47.000 That's what I did as a hairdresser when I was a hairdresser.

00:59:50.000 That was my thing, man.

00:59:52.000 I'd go to Paris, the collections, the girls.

00:59:55.000 I was like, oh my God, I'm in heaven.

00:59:57.000 But I loved doing hair.

00:59:59.000 How did you get into hairdressing?

01:00:01.000 When I got out of juvie, my mother, the judge said, you have to put them somewhere, so she put me in beauty school.

01:00:09.000 And I had shot five guys.

01:00:12.000 You shot five guys?

01:00:13.000 Yeah.

01:00:14.000 How'd you shoot them?

01:00:16.000 It was an accident.

01:00:18.000 I never said this before.

01:00:19.000 Five people by accident?

01:00:20.000 No, it was a gang fight.

01:00:22.000 It was a fight in San Fernando.

01:00:24.000 And there was like 30 guys.

01:00:26.000 And...

01:00:28.000 Has the statute of limitations passed on this, or should we edit this out?

01:00:31.000 Yes, yes, yes.

01:00:32.000 You're out there shooting people.

01:00:33.000 And it was somebody else's...

01:00:36.000 Everybody in Woodshop was making a weapon.

01:00:40.000 LAUGHTER I remember that from high school.

01:00:43.000 Yeah.

01:00:43.000 We used to make nunchucks and say they were table legs.

01:00:45.000 Yes, exactly.

01:00:47.000 Yeah, that's what happened.

01:00:48.000 And this guy came with these guns, and these guys was...

01:00:53.000 And I bang, bang, and then this guy...

01:00:55.000 And then I was like, oh my god, what the...

01:00:57.000 That was the changing of my life.

01:00:59.000 That, and when I was in juvie, A guy that I met from Boys Town, which was in the middle of the country, a place where a lot of fucked up kids would go.

01:01:09.000 He came from Boys Town.

01:01:10.000 He ran away.

01:01:11.000 He went to juvie.

01:01:12.000 And they weren't supposed to.

01:01:14.000 They weren't supposed to have things and they covered it up.

01:01:16.000 But he tried to get away and they shot him on the fence right in front of me and 30 other guys.

01:01:23.000 And he was, fuck you.

01:01:25.000 I said, man, you're gonna get killed.

01:01:27.000 You gotta shut your fucking mouth.

01:01:29.000 You gotta take it cool.

01:01:30.000 If you're gonna get out of here, you gotta work your way out.

01:01:32.000 There's no escaping this.

01:01:34.000 Strong, big blond-haired guy, farmer boy.

01:01:38.000 Years ago, and then I'm getting tired, I gotta go.

01:01:43.000 Years ago, when I was with Leslie Ann Warren, I had a beauty shop, and it was on the corner of Rodeo and Brighton Way.

01:01:49.000 It was called the John Peters Salon.

01:01:54.000 OJ would come hunt the girls.

01:01:55.000 Everybody would hunt the girls, because I'd have like 40 or 50 beautiful girls getting their hair done all day long.

01:02:01.000 This guy comes in, my mother happened to be working at the desk, and he comes in in big overalls, big tall guy, and he says, I'm here to see Cinderella, you know, Leslie Ann Warren,

01:02:16.000 and I came out, I said I'm her husband, and he was like a fan of Mission Impossible, whatever it was, I don't remember what it was at the time.

01:02:25.000 Next thing I know, we went home that night, and he had been there, in the colony, he had come to the colony.

01:02:30.000 So I sent out a bunch of my guys, because a lot of the hairdressers I had were guys like you.

01:02:36.000 They were tough kids that were smart, and they needed a chance.

01:02:39.000 They went to beauty school, and they got out, and women were lined up around the block.

01:02:43.000 Sounds like a movie.

01:02:44.000 It is.

01:02:44.000 My life is like a crazy movie.

01:02:45.000 That does sound like a movie, a bunch of tough guy hairdressers out there protecting you.

01:02:49.000 Right out in front with all the motorcycles all lined up.

01:02:51.000 Wow.

01:02:53.000 Tough guy, hairdressers on motorcycles.

01:02:55.000 Yeah.

01:02:55.000 That's a movie.

01:02:57.000 When the thing was over, the LA Times said they don't make hairdressers like they used to because the guy was coming into the house.

01:03:06.000 He had a little pistol in his hand like this.

01:03:09.000 He was walking in.

01:03:10.000 I had a mezzanine.

01:03:11.000 I looked at him.

01:03:12.000 I was naked.

01:03:13.000 I jumped on the mezzanine, off the mezzanine, jumped on him.

01:03:17.000 You jumped on him with his pistol?

01:03:19.000 Oh yeah, I dove right on top.

01:03:20.000 I didn't see it until I was in the air.

01:03:22.000 Oh Jesus.

01:03:23.000 And he was like this and it was dark and it was backlit.

01:03:26.000 And you're naked?

01:03:27.000 And I was naked.

01:03:28.000 Yeah, I just woke up.

01:03:29.000 I could hear him walking around.

01:03:31.000 I wasn't thinking.

01:03:32.000 I just moved.

01:03:33.000 That's a surprise.

01:03:35.000 Naked dude jumps on you from a mezzanine?

01:03:37.000 And he ended up with 160 stitches because he came to rob me, came to kidnap her.

01:03:42.000 Jesus Christ.

01:03:43.000 So we fought out into the colony.

01:03:46.000 Naked?

01:03:46.000 Me naked and him in a farmer outfit, yeah.

01:03:50.000 Good thing I didn't get a heart on, right?

01:03:52.000 Oh my God.

01:03:53.000 Good thing.

01:03:54.000 You didn't have questions.

01:03:55.000 It's a true story.

01:03:57.000 I believe it.

01:03:57.000 You'd look it up in the LA Times.

01:03:59.000 That's a wild story, man.

01:04:00.000 How have you had so many stories?

01:04:02.000 Well, because I grew up, John Wayne, Elvis, you know, I'm a living superhero, even though I don't ever do anything, but in my mind I am.

01:04:11.000 Right, right.

01:04:11.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:11.000 Because those narratives are like stuck in your head.

01:04:13.000 That's why I like Victor.

01:04:14.000 That's why I like, when I saw John Jones, I would like, oh, fuck, ooh, I love him, man.

01:04:19.000 Yeah.

01:04:19.000 I love him.

01:04:20.000 Yeah, you love Conquerors.

01:04:21.000 Yeah.

01:04:22.000 And the wrestler guy I didn't like at the beginning, now I'm madly in love with him.

01:04:27.000 Which guy?

01:04:27.000 You know, that beat everybody, kind of chubby.

01:04:30.000 Your commentator fella, you know.

01:04:32.000 Oh, DC. Yeah, DC. Daniel Cormier.

01:04:34.000 Amazing.

01:04:35.000 Oh, he's incredible.

01:04:36.000 I love him.

01:04:37.000 I love him.

01:04:37.000 You didn't like him at first?

01:04:38.000 I didn't like him.

01:04:38.000 He didn't fit the view of what I thought he was supposed to look like.

01:04:42.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:44.000 But I did like him, but not as much as Jon Jones.

01:04:46.000 Just his physique?

01:04:48.000 Uh, yeah.

01:04:49.000 Really?

01:04:50.000 Yeah, and just that he was more of a...

01:04:53.000 He would more of...

01:04:54.000 Yes, it's just...

01:04:55.000 I like Jon Jones.

01:04:56.000 He was my hero.

01:04:57.000 See, one of the greatest of all time is Fedor Milonenko.

01:05:00.000 And Fedor had the most unimposing physique.

01:05:04.000 I mean, he looked strong, but he had like a...

01:05:06.000 The Russian.

01:05:07.000 Yeah, the Russian.

01:05:08.000 He had like a little bit of a belly, and he was always like calm and relaxed, and he would fuck everyone up.

01:05:15.000 He would fuck everyone up in his prime.

01:05:17.000 I always had good hands.

01:05:19.000 Yeah?

01:05:19.000 Big, strong hands.

01:05:20.000 Yeah.

01:05:21.000 I'm almost 80, so they shrunk.

01:05:24.000 But yeah, I knocked a lot of people out.

01:05:26.000 When you look at Daniel Cormier, he reminded me in a lot of ways of Fedor's physique.

01:05:31.000 Totally.

01:05:32.000 Absolutely.

01:05:33.000 They don't have low body fat, but they don't get twisted.

01:05:36.000 The guy's a phenomenal athlete.

01:05:38.000 Yeah, I know.

01:05:39.000 Both of them, DC and Fedor.

01:05:40.000 Fedor's a phenomenal athlete.

01:05:43.000 He was so good.

01:05:43.000 You never saw him fight?

01:05:44.000 I did, of course.

01:05:45.000 Yeah, okay.

01:05:46.000 Many times.

01:05:46.000 That was one of the biggest regrets, that they never got him to the UFC. One of the great fights that I saw was the black, Telderman, whatever, the black guy with blonde hair, and that crazy guy from Europe.

01:06:01.000 Kevin Randleman and Mirko Kokop?

01:06:04.000 No, the other one, Kevin Randleman, and the guy, my son said he was in a bar once, saw him knock out about 10 guys.

01:06:12.000 Boz Rudin.

01:06:13.000 Oh, Boz Rudin.

01:06:15.000 Oh my god, was that guy tough?

01:06:18.000 From Holland.

01:06:18.000 Oh my god, Boz was a machine.

01:06:20.000 I saw him fight.

01:06:22.000 He was the first like intelligent, aggressive attacker that was like a high-level striker in MMA. And built a fight.

01:06:29.000 Oh my god.

01:06:30.000 You know, he fought Teyoshi Kosaka and his neck was so fucked up that he couldn't even wrestle.

01:06:35.000 He couldn't do any wrestling for that fight.

01:06:37.000 Like, he had, like, some serious disc problems in his neck, and he wound up actually getting his neck fused, like, later on in his life.

01:06:44.000 Amazing.

01:06:44.000 But he, like, even when he was competing at the highest level, his neck was already fucked up.

01:06:48.000 He was a fucking monster.

01:06:50.000 Yeah.

01:06:50.000 In his prime, Boss Rootin was a fucking monster.

01:06:53.000 My son was training with him, and...

01:06:56.000 He was one of the only guys that won off of his back.

01:06:58.000 When he beat Randleman, Randleman took him down and he was just smashing him off of his back.

01:07:02.000 I saw him.

01:07:03.000 He was very effective.

01:07:04.000 Bang, bang, bang.

01:07:04.000 I saw it, yeah.

01:07:05.000 It was very effective.

01:07:06.000 You can't just assume that just because you're on top.

01:07:08.000 If you're getting fucked up while you're on top, you're losing the fight, believe it or not.

01:07:12.000 But it's also called the guard, isn't it?

01:07:13.000 Yep, yeah.

01:07:14.000 And Randleman was an elite wrestler, but Bas Rudin had a very effective way of attacking off his back.

01:07:20.000 He was so powerful.

01:07:22.000 He did, yeah.

01:07:23.000 Yeah, he was a machine, man.

01:07:24.000 He really was.

01:07:25.000 You know, if you see, like, an alligator go after its prey, they go like that.

01:07:30.000 They don't go like that.

01:07:31.000 Right.

01:07:31.000 They move and boom, boom, boom, boom.

01:07:33.000 Jump and jive.

01:07:34.000 Yeah, moving around a lot.

01:07:37.000 Okay, man.

01:07:37.000 John Peters, you're the fucking man.

01:07:39.000 Yeah, I love this shit.

01:07:40.000 Appreciate you very much.

01:07:41.000 I got some great stories.

01:07:42.000 One day I'll tell you again.

01:07:43.000 Tell me more.

01:07:44.000 Let's keep going.

01:07:45.000 No, no, I can't do anymore.

01:07:46.000 I'm tired already.

01:07:47.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:48.000 You wore me out.

01:07:49.000 Can you see it?

01:07:49.000 I'm vibrating in your chair.

01:07:50.000 You're great.

01:07:50.000 You look great, man.

01:07:51.000 You look great.

01:07:52.000 Thank you very much.

01:07:52.000 The guy that I watched the other day, because I studied all your tapes for the last week.

01:07:56.000 You studied?

01:07:57.000 Every single tape you did almost.

01:07:58.000 Oh, boy.

01:07:59.000 And all your clients and people and stuff.

01:08:01.000 Yes, I wanted to learn.

01:08:02.000 I wanted to learn.

01:08:03.000 And what I learned was all I can be is honest and whatever that is, it is.

01:08:07.000 And so, what was I going to say?

01:08:10.000 I can't remember exactly.

01:08:12.000 But you were yourself.

01:08:14.000 That's the goal.

01:08:15.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:08:15.000 That's it.

01:08:17.000 And this is, you know, I relate to these kids.

01:08:20.000 I love these kids.

01:08:22.000 I've been fortunate enough to make a ton of money.

01:08:25.000 And I buy and sell companies for hundreds of millions of dollars, and I've been, like I said, lucky, and I'm going to really start to now put some money to work in a way that's going to help a lot of people.

01:08:35.000 Beautiful.

01:08:35.000 Because I love, there's nothing to it.

01:08:37.000 Tyson, he said everything.

01:08:39.000 I like winning men, but I love giving.

01:08:41.000 Because he's a sensitive soul.

01:08:43.000 If you think he's anything but frightened to death about this fellow, you're wrong.

01:08:47.000 He's not excited about it.

01:08:49.000 He's frightened the fucking death of it.

01:08:50.000 And in that, and as he gets better, he's building his confidence little by little.

01:08:54.000 But he won't really feel good until he absolutely explodes on that guy.

01:08:59.000 That'll be the climax of his thing.

01:09:02.000 And the real question is, will he be able to wait him out?

01:09:04.000 Because that guy's going to be dancing and doing and dancing and doing.

01:09:07.000 And Tyson's going to have a hard time navigating that.

01:09:10.000 He'll have to cut off the ring.

01:09:12.000 It's not going to be an easy fight.

01:09:13.000 Because otherwise, if they fought, fought.

01:09:15.000 My God.

01:09:16.000 I'm frightened for the other guy.

01:09:17.000 Tyson would break in half.

01:09:18.000 What fight are you talking about?

01:09:20.000 Tyson and a fight.

01:09:22.000 Maybe it already happened.

01:09:23.000 I don't know.

01:09:23.000 Which fight?

01:09:24.000 The boxer?

01:09:26.000 Roy Jones Jr.?

01:09:27.000 Yeah.

01:09:27.000 Oh, yeah.

01:09:27.000 That already happened.

01:09:28.000 Oh, it did?

01:09:29.000 Yeah, it happened like a year ago.

01:09:30.000 Oh, what happened?

01:09:31.000 It looked like, if I'm being honest, it looked like they really like each other and they were trying not to knock each other out, but they put on a boxing exhibition.

01:09:43.000 That's what it looked like.

01:09:43.000 Yeah.

01:09:44.000 That's what it looked like.

01:09:45.000 Like, there wasn't a lot of head shots, you know, they moved around a lot, and Mike Tyson hit him with some ferocious body punches, and Roy Jones Jr. is tough as fuck.

01:09:54.000 He is.

01:09:54.000 Because those are hard shots.

01:09:55.000 Those are hard shots.

01:09:56.000 That's what I was wondering about, yeah.

01:09:57.000 And, you know, Roy, he's had knee problems, so it was hard for him to train properly.

01:10:01.000 Like, you see him running, it's kind of painful to watch him run.

01:10:04.000 That's me too.

01:10:04.000 And Roy's knees and his footwork and his movement was a giant part of his success early in his career.

01:10:09.000 I mean, he was so fleet of foot.

01:10:10.000 I didn't see the date on the tape, sorry.

01:10:12.000 Oh my god, if you watched the Roy Jones Jr., you saw Roy Jones Jr. in his prime.

01:10:15.000 Every fight.

01:10:16.000 Yeah, he was phenomenal.

01:10:18.000 But that sort of style relies so much on speed and movement.

01:10:22.000 I introduced Sugar Ray to UFC because he said, spar with me, and I kicked him in the knee.

01:10:29.000 Sugar Ray Leonard?

01:10:30.000 Yeah.

01:10:30.000 Really?

01:10:31.000 Yeah.

01:10:31.000 I kicked him in the knees.

01:10:32.000 What the fuck?

01:10:33.000 I said, it's called M&A. I want you to take a look at it.

01:10:35.000 It's called M&A? No, it was called Ultimate Fighting Championships.

01:10:41.000 Remember with the orange thing and everything?

01:10:45.000 I had all those shirts and all that stuff.

01:10:47.000 I went around.

01:10:48.000 My arms were big.

01:10:50.000 You were doing leg kicks?

01:10:51.000 Oh, I've been doing leg kicks since I was a little kid.

01:10:53.000 But I would do leg kicks.

01:10:55.000 That's what I want to tell you about Don Simpson's story.

01:10:57.000 We had an argument and I chose him off to meet me in the Beverly Hills Park.

01:11:01.000 First thing I did is put on my big boots because I was going to come up and kick the fuck out of them before I even put my hands on them.

01:11:06.000 He didn't show up.

01:11:07.000 He was afraid.

01:11:08.000 But I was serious, because he was taking snaps at me, and I said, why don't we just fight, and then it'll be done.

01:11:15.000 He didn't watch it.

01:11:16.000 So how did you know Sugar Ray?

01:11:20.000 Through everybody I knew.

01:11:24.000 This guy, Jeff Wall, just passed away.

01:11:28.000 I've been kind of looking after his daughter.

01:11:29.000 He was a great guy.

01:11:30.000 He managed all these guys, and I got friendly with everybody.

01:11:34.000 And you would spar with him?

01:11:35.000 You spar with Sugar Ray later?

01:11:37.000 Oh yeah, but not spar, spar.

01:11:38.000 Just play spar?

01:11:40.000 Yes.

01:11:41.000 Because that was back when Sugar Ray was still Sugar Ray.

01:11:44.000 He was not fighting then.

01:11:46.000 But how old was he?

01:11:48.000 Well, I don't know, but he was...

01:11:50.000 I met him socially, so we didn't really do...

01:11:53.000 The sparring we did was in the living room of somebody's house.

01:11:55.000 It wasn't in the gym.

01:11:57.000 Yeah, we were just fucking around.

01:11:58.000 Sugar Ray still works out all the time.

01:11:59.000 He posts stuff on his Instagram.

01:12:01.000 He still gets after it.

01:12:02.000 That's how he stays young.

01:12:03.000 Yeah, it's nice.

01:12:04.000 It's nice to see.

01:12:04.000 And he's got a great wife, and he's a guy of everybody, for the most part, that has really done it all.

01:12:12.000 Got a great family.

01:12:13.000 Got a great wife, I think.

01:12:15.000 He looks like he's made some money.

01:12:16.000 He was an amazing champion.

01:12:18.000 He's had a great life.

01:12:19.000 Oh, he was the elite of the elite when he was in his prime.

01:12:22.000 I flew in from Paris to see him fight Hearns.

01:12:25.000 Did you really?

01:12:25.000 Yeah.

01:12:26.000 Wow.

01:12:26.000 Yeah.

01:12:27.000 So the first fight?

01:12:28.000 Fucking A, man.

01:12:29.000 Wow!

01:12:30.000 I was in Paris with Michael Jackson when he did his first thing, when he did Thriller and all those things.

01:12:35.000 And there was riots in the streets.

01:12:39.000 When he started doing his shit, man, Michael, it was amazing.

01:12:43.000 Wow.

01:12:45.000 John Peters, you've had a hell of a life.

01:12:47.000 Yeah, man.

01:12:47.000 Thank you.

01:12:47.000 So have you.

01:12:49.000 I'd love to come back at some point because then I can think about what I didn't tell you.

01:12:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:54.000 Tell me some other stories.

01:12:55.000 Fuck yeah.

01:12:56.000 Come back.

01:12:57.000 Thank you, brother.

01:12:57.000 Appreciate you very much.

01:12:58.000 All right.

01:12:59.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 15, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1871 - Jon Peters

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