The Joe Rogan Experience - October 29, 2022


Joe Rogan Experience #1890 - Bridget Phetasy


Episode Stats

Length

3 hours and 27 minutes

Words per Minute

169.89899

Word Count

35,322

Sentence Count

3,559

Misogynist Sentences

129

Hate Speech Sentences

74


Summary

In this episode, I sit down with a good friend of mine, Bridget, to talk about her experience with becoming a mom. We talk about what it's like being a parent, what it was like growing up in a house full of kids, and why TikTok should be banned. Also, we talk about TikTok and why it's a bad idea to use your phone in public. Joe Rogan is a standup comedian, standup comic, podcaster, and podcaster. His music is available on SoundCloud and YouTube. His podcast is also available on iTunes, Podcoin, Stitcher, and Crackle. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts! Thanks for listening and Good Luck Out There! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. The opinions expressed here are our own and do not necessarily those of our companies, unless otherwise stated. We do not own the rights to any music used in this podcast. All credit given to any other works given to us by our patrons. I am not responsible for the music used on this podcast or any other creators. Thank you for supporting this podcast, it is produced, produced, owned, or distributed by any other person else. except where credit given, other than myself, is given to third-party record labels. Please do not affiliated with the rights of their respective record labels, etc. - Thank you, etc., etc. - I amzn, etc.. - thank you for your support and support is appreciated! - I do not claim any other source of content provided by you can be reached directly or directly or indirectly through a third party or other third party, otherwise, through any other means. Thank you if you decide to do so - I appreciate the support is not appreciated. by me, I am in any way possible. . thank you, thank you and I am grateful for all the love, support is being kind and support in any other way possible - I really appreciate it is appreciated in any said or appreciation is appreciated, etc., - etc., thank you , etc. etc.. Thank you so much, etc, etc... - etc, thanks, etc - Mentioned


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00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
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00:00:13.000 Hello, Bridget.
00:00:13.000 I'm back.
00:00:14.000 What's happening?
00:00:15.000 I had a baby.
00:00:16.000 You had a fucking human.
00:00:17.000 I know.
00:00:17.000 You made a human in your body.
00:00:19.000 It's so crazy.
00:00:20.000 What does it feel like, like pre-making a human, just living a normal life, being a human, to actually, like, what does that transition feel like?
00:00:29.000 A man will never know.
00:00:31.000 Contrary to Twitter.
00:00:34.000 You can burn your 500 calories by breastfeeding, Joe.
00:00:37.000 I bet you can.
00:00:38.000 For your sober October.
00:00:38.000 That's what I learned.
00:00:40.000 Do you pump?
00:00:41.000 I do.
00:00:41.000 I'm breastfeeding.
00:00:43.000 No, no, I'm still breastfeeding.
00:00:44.000 That's why she's here in Austin with me.
00:00:46.000 Do you ever pump too, though?
00:00:47.000 Do you pump as well?
00:00:48.000 Yeah.
00:00:49.000 The pump is wild.
00:00:50.000 The pump is wild.
00:00:51.000 My wife used to sit in front of the TV watching TV with a cup in each hand.
00:00:56.000 They've probably come a long way since then.
00:00:59.000 Have they?
00:01:00.000 Yeah, you can wear them and just go out now.
00:01:03.000 And it just makes?
00:01:04.000 They have little, like, cups.
00:01:05.000 It's crazy.
00:01:05.000 Little reservoirs?
00:01:06.000 Yeah, the one I have is, I think it's called an Eevee, and you can just, it's like, you know, all the stuff, like, for women is like...
00:01:14.000 Do you have, like, a trough under that catches it?
00:01:16.000 She's sloshing around.
00:01:17.000 They're, like, little...
00:01:18.000 They're really cool.
00:01:20.000 Wow.
00:01:20.000 And you can just be on the go so you're not, you know, chained to, like, the pump like you used to be.
00:01:25.000 Can you hit a pause button and unscrew it and put it in a freezer bag?
00:01:29.000 Yeah, they're advanced now.
00:01:32.000 I mean, oh God, I've eaten so much humble pie, I think, since I became a mom.
00:01:38.000 Because you have that, everyone's like, you'll understand when you're a parent, you'll understand when you have kids, and you're like, ah, shut up.
00:01:45.000 Because you can't know until you know.
00:01:48.000 You can't know.
00:01:49.000 You can't know.
00:01:50.000 I think it's radicalized me, too, more in many respects.
00:01:58.000 The stuff around kids in our culture right now, I'm a single-issue person now.
00:02:05.000 These kids can't know what they're doing.
00:02:07.000 You can't influence them that way.
00:02:09.000 No.
00:02:09.000 And it's like, it's not informed consent because you can't know until you know.
00:02:13.000 Right.
00:02:13.000 Especially about having a kid.
00:02:15.000 You can't know what it's like to breastfeed until you breastfeed.
00:02:19.000 I'm sorry.
00:02:20.000 You can only guess.
00:02:21.000 You can guess.
00:02:22.000 And I'm sure someday they'll be able to simulate it and have like...
00:02:26.000 But it's so...
00:02:27.000 I mean, the whole...
00:02:29.000 Pregnancy was...
00:02:30.000 I had a lot of anxiety.
00:02:32.000 I think it was...
00:02:33.000 I just was so worried about this little human.
00:02:37.000 And I think as a woman, you carry that mostly yourself until the baby comes out.
00:02:42.000 And then if you have a partner, you're sharing some of that like, oh, I hope they don't die with your partner.
00:02:48.000 And it was just like I would get...
00:02:52.000 I've been on this podcast and said I hate Instagram like I don't even know how many times.
00:02:56.000 I became like Instagram addict in pregnancy because late at night, the like wholesome third trimester content, I was like, this is what I'm here for.
00:03:08.000 It's so relatable.
00:03:09.000 What's wholesome trimester content?
00:03:10.000 Third trimester content?
00:03:12.000 Like, there's so much pregnancy content on Instagram because it's just an alter to all things basic.
00:03:19.000 And when you're pregnant, you're like, yes, that's exactly how I feel.
00:03:23.000 I can't see my vagina.
00:03:26.000 The algorithm finds you because you look for it.
00:03:29.000 Yeah.
00:03:29.000 And I fell in love with Instagram and now I'm all on board.
00:03:34.000 Do you do TikTok?
00:03:35.000 No.
00:03:36.000 I won't even put it on my phone.
00:03:37.000 Good for you.
00:03:38.000 It's Chinese spyware.
00:03:39.000 It's Chinese spyware.
00:03:40.000 Why are we letting people put this on their phones?
00:03:44.000 It should be banned.
00:03:46.000 I'm with Trump.
00:03:48.000 Yeah, but I'm saying this because I talked to security experts.
00:03:52.000 It's fucking dangerous.
00:03:53.000 Did you see the thing where, what is it called, ByteDance?
00:03:56.000 Yeah.
00:03:56.000 The parent company was specifically looking to use TikTok to target the location of specific American citizens?
00:04:04.000 Yeah.
00:04:05.000 Including probably Chinese dissidents that have...
00:04:11.000 I've talked to people that are security experts, and they explain the whole system of how it works.
00:04:18.000 They have a super sophisticated system of infiltrating universities.
00:04:23.000 We have an open society, right?
00:04:26.000 So because of our open society, they send You know, basically employees of the Chinese government come over here to get educated.
00:04:35.000 Yeah.
00:04:36.000 They get educated and then they infiltrate universities and they find out all of this research that's been going on and whatever category and whatever thing and then they send all that stuff back to China.
00:04:49.000 Yeah.
00:04:50.000 It's a bit, it's fucking wild.
00:04:53.000 We fuel their progress through innovation that takes place in America.
00:04:58.000 Well, not to mention that it's breaking the brains of all of our youth and turning them into putting TikTok.
00:05:05.000 And not to mention that you have kids who now want to become TikTok stars instead of going into STEM. China's like, great, let's make all these young girls successful on TikTok and make it seem like a dream for all of the society that these kids can attain.
00:05:26.000 I want to be a TikTok star!
00:05:28.000 This is like OnlyFans designed by Russia?
00:05:31.000 I don't know.
00:05:32.000 Because like that is fucking up a lot of people.
00:05:35.000 I don't, I've never, it's funny being me who was like always posting nudies online before OnlyFans existed.
00:05:44.000 Just for fun.
00:05:46.000 And for free.
00:05:47.000 And now OnlyFans is this thing and I haven't even like, I've never even been on it.
00:05:52.000 I don't even know, I don't even know what's on there.
00:05:56.000 I was having a conversation about this with a friend of mine the other day and he was saying like that he has friends that have girlfriends and wives.
00:06:04.000 That are on OnlyFans.
00:06:05.000 And because they're making extraordinary amounts of money, it's really hard to not do it anymore.
00:06:13.000 We talked about this before.
00:06:16.000 The average person is not making much.
00:06:18.000 But some of these gals that develop these big Instagram pages where they have a million Instagram followers, they're making tens of thousands of dollars every month.
00:06:29.000 On OnlyFans and so then they get in a relationship and you know, it's a serious relationship, but you know, you're fingering yourself on This fucking platform for strangers It's like where does that end and what okay if you have a child do you back off them?
00:06:44.000 Well, honey, we need money, you know, I mean, it's no big deal You know, my fans are cool.
00:06:48.000 They realize that I'm taken and I'm a mom and like it's a I am all for freedom, right?
00:06:55.000 I'm all for you being able to do whatever you want to do, but everything comes with a price.
00:07:00.000 Of course.
00:07:01.000 And that thing comes with a weird price because you're selling intimacy.
00:07:06.000 Like, the photo is a woman alone in a bedroom.
00:07:10.000 Yeah.
00:07:10.000 Or a video is a woman alone in a bedroom with, like, ankle socks and fucking, you know, a jersey on with little baby underwear that she's pulling to the side.
00:07:20.000 Like, what...
00:07:22.000 What is that?
00:07:23.000 Who's there?
00:07:24.000 Who's taking this photo?
00:07:26.000 Are you pretending that this is for you?
00:07:30.000 It's a weird little relationship that you have for these people that pay to subscribe.
00:07:35.000 I would be...
00:07:37.000 A full of shit hypocrite if I didn't address the fact that I've...
00:07:42.000 Okay, so I started posting nudes online for free.
00:07:46.000 Right.
00:07:47.000 And then people started demanding them.
00:07:49.000 And I was just posting them because I thought it was funny, mostly because it made comedians mad on Twitter that I was using nudity to get followers.
00:07:55.000 And I just thought it was hilarious.
00:07:56.000 Because I'm like...
00:07:57.000 I was like a trickster.
00:07:59.000 I'm like, whatever.
00:08:00.000 But wait, who would get mad at that?
00:08:02.000 People were just getting mad that, like, not important people, just people were like, oh, this girl is like, I'm like, who cares?
00:08:09.000 But it was funny to me, and it was amusing.
00:08:12.000 And then people started demanding them, and then Patreon came around, and then you can have different levels on Patreon, and one of my levels was not, like, vagina pictures, but pictures of my boobs and my butt.
00:08:24.000 And I was like, who wants to pay for 40-year-old titties?
00:08:30.000 No one.
00:08:32.000 Someone.
00:08:32.000 You can get them for free!
00:08:33.000 Yeah, but people will pay.
00:08:34.000 But people paid.
00:08:35.000 Yeah.
00:08:35.000 And I thought it was...
00:08:37.000 And like you said, it gave me insight into this relationship because I was...
00:08:43.000 Everybody's very respectful, first of all.
00:08:45.000 And they were paying for my writing and all this other stuff.
00:08:47.000 And it got weird, definitely, where I was like, what?
00:08:51.000 I don't want to get addicted to the money doing this because...
00:08:58.000 We're good to go.
00:09:15.000 I still don't understand it, but it gave me a lot of insight.
00:09:19.000 I know that if I did not address this, people would be like, that girl used to send pictures of her butt on the internet.
00:09:26.000 Well, I'm glad you addressed it then.
00:09:28.000 It's just a strange little outlet.
00:09:31.000 And look, I'm all for people capitalizing and finding different ways to make money.
00:09:36.000 That's not the issue that I have.
00:09:38.000 I don't even have an issue with it.
00:09:39.000 I'm all for you doing it.
00:09:41.000 But I'm just saying, like, for a person that's in a relationship or a person that one day is going to be a mom or a person, you're like, that's the thing.
00:09:47.000 How am I going to explain this?
00:09:49.000 I mean, it's out there.
00:09:50.000 Well, I think you explain it by being yourself.
00:09:53.000 Like, you're a good person.
00:09:54.000 You'll be honest with your kid.
00:09:57.000 It's not the worst thing in the world.
00:09:58.000 It's not even a bad thing.
00:09:59.000 I did it only because mostly because people started demanding them and getting entitled.
00:10:04.000 And I was like, now you bastards are going to have to pay.
00:10:07.000 And it was never something like, I'm going to do this if I don't want to.
00:10:13.000 And then naturally, I grew up.
00:10:15.000 I got into a relationship.
00:10:17.000 And even my husband will get it online.
00:10:20.000 People will be like, did you know your wife's boobs are online?
00:10:23.000 He's like, they are?
00:10:24.000 Like...
00:10:25.000 Of course he knows.
00:10:26.000 And he knew that this was...
00:10:28.000 And he never, like, pressured me not to.
00:10:31.000 But I didn't want to anymore.
00:10:32.000 Because, like I said to my friend once, I was like, why are people paying for this?
00:10:36.000 And he's like, there are a lot of lonely people in the world, Bridget.
00:10:39.000 There are.
00:10:39.000 There are also a lot of people that get obsessed with other people, right?
00:10:42.000 Yeah.
00:10:42.000 They read your writing.
00:10:43.000 They like the way you think.
00:10:44.000 They get kind of obsessed with your mind.
00:10:46.000 Yeah.
00:10:47.000 They pretend they're in a relationship with you.
00:10:48.000 Yeah, so...
00:10:50.000 I had a lot of insight into it, though, and it really...
00:10:55.000 I mean, we were laughing hysterically about this the other day because an email came through and this guy was like, can Bridget please take some nice high-resolution pictures of her butthole?
00:11:09.000 High resolution.
00:11:11.000 Yeah.
00:11:12.000 Apparently that's a big request on the OnlyFans.
00:11:14.000 Is it?
00:11:15.000 They want butthole photos.
00:11:16.000 Oh, God.
00:11:17.000 See, I never...
00:11:17.000 The actual butthole.
00:11:18.000 Part of the reason that I started putting nudes online is be...
00:11:22.000 And I've written about this for Playboy and I think it's like one of the few articles that's still up on Playboy of my hundred that were there.
00:11:29.000 And it was why I get naked online or why I post nudes online.
00:11:33.000 And part of it was I was like real early to sending nudies.
00:11:39.000 I would take a picture with a digital camera, upload it to my computer, and then send them via email to guys.
00:11:46.000 I mean, I was probably like 23 when the technology became, because I thought it was fun and flirty, and then I realized like, oh shit, this is out there, and I didn't want anybody to have the power over me that they could hold that over my head ever.
00:12:04.000 Even though I was a nobody, I don't know what I was thinking.
00:12:08.000 But I didn't want anyone to be able to hold it over me.
00:12:10.000 And so I just started...
00:12:12.000 I mean, since like 2006, when I started my website, I was posting greeting cards that I made with nude pictures of mine on there.
00:12:22.000 There's nothing wrong with being nude.
00:12:23.000 There's nothing wrong with posting pictures of nude.
00:12:26.000 You said Playboy took, did they take some of your articles down?
00:12:31.000 Yes.
00:12:31.000 And I had, I mean, I had written, you know, you posted one of my early pieces, actually, that women date assholes because you're a pussy.
00:12:42.000 It's still one of my favorite things I've ever written.
00:12:47.000 That's still up there.
00:12:48.000 The one about getting nude is up there.
00:12:53.000 Some of the work I did for them, I was very proud of.
00:12:56.000 I turned into more of a journalist working for them.
00:12:59.000 My first editor, Joe Donatelli, I used to be like, I'm not a journalist, I'm an opinion writer.
00:13:04.000 He's like, all good opinion writers are journalists.
00:13:07.000 And I went to a free the nipple thing.
00:13:10.000 This was kind of when things started evolving.
00:13:13.000 And I was like, all about freeing the nipple.
00:13:16.000 So I thought.
00:13:17.000 And I was supposed to go cover this rally.
00:13:20.000 And I get there and this very young girl is like barely legal.
00:13:25.000 Like maybe turned 18 the day before the rally.
00:13:28.000 And she's kind of running this free the nipple thing.
00:13:32.000 With a lot of her young friends on the beach in Santa Monica.
00:13:35.000 And suddenly I went in being like, yeah, I'm going to be all for this.
00:13:39.000 And then there was this pervert on the beach and he was there with like a digital camera, which was my first red flag.
00:13:47.000 And because this was, you know, it was just creepy.
00:13:50.000 And he was taking pictures of them.
00:13:52.000 And all of a sudden I was like, put your clothes on, ladies!
00:13:57.000 There are perverts everywhere!
00:13:59.000 Like, there's a pedophile over there!
00:14:02.000 And it changed my...
00:14:04.000 Suddenly I was like, I'm not sure how I feel about this.
00:14:06.000 Do you think it's just like girls that just want attention but they don't know what that means?
00:14:12.000 These girls didn't...
00:14:13.000 This girl, at least the one who was in charge, was so...
00:14:16.000 She was so interesting and just like...
00:14:18.000 She was like a radical feminist.
00:14:20.000 Just a young radical feminist who was like, men can have their nipples out, why can't women?
00:14:25.000 And...
00:14:27.000 They can be free on the beach.
00:14:29.000 Why can't we?
00:14:30.000 And so she was just, I think, pushing for more equality in her mind.
00:14:36.000 And and I I understood that, you know, I don't think it was for her like about getting she didn't strike me as that kind of person, at least when I met her.
00:14:46.000 It was a very strange scene and I left it.
00:14:53.000 I went back to my editor and I was like, I have no idea how I feel about this anymore.
00:14:56.000 He's like, good!
00:14:57.000 That means you're a journalist.
00:14:59.000 That's what journalists should do.
00:15:00.000 Go in with maybe some feeling of how they think and gather information that might change their mind.
00:15:07.000 That is really journalism.
00:15:08.000 And that is actually an important opinion piece because you went in with this one idea and then seeing the reality of the situation made you alter your perceptions.
00:15:17.000 Yeah.
00:15:18.000 I mean, even having now breastfeeding and being a mom and being somebody who's just been like my body was a vanity project, I was like, oh, this has utility.
00:15:34.000 Utility.
00:15:35.000 Like, these things, they have a purpose.
00:15:38.000 It is kind of wild that that's the reason why we're attracted to them.
00:15:41.000 Yeah.
00:15:42.000 That we're attracted to them because of the fact that they have utility.
00:15:45.000 And women that have more, you know, traditionally sexually attractive bodies are more, they're more likely to breed.
00:15:55.000 Yeah.
00:15:55.000 They're more, you know, what's the word I'm looking for?
00:15:59.000 Yeah.
00:16:01.000 Fuckable?
00:16:01.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:16:04.000 Viable?
00:16:04.000 Viable?
00:16:05.000 I don't know.
00:16:06.000 Whatever word we use, it's going to be...
00:16:09.000 It's going to be a problem.
00:16:10.000 But the narrower hips, or the narrow waist, the large hips, that's all so you can give babies better.
00:16:17.000 You can give birth better.
00:16:18.000 It's weird how all that stuff works.
00:16:20.000 I don't have breeding hips.
00:16:23.000 My child came out as writer and thinker and hilarious.
00:16:28.000 Mary Harrington calls it.
00:16:30.000 She came out of the sunroof.
00:16:34.000 Imagine being a person without breeding hips that was born 100 years ago.
00:16:39.000 You would have died.
00:16:39.000 Yeah.
00:16:40.000 Yeah.
00:16:41.000 Yeah, that's another thing.
00:16:43.000 Childbirth is still very dangerous.
00:16:45.000 I was not one of those like, I'm going to have a pool and go have my baby in the moonlight all by myself with a doula.
00:16:54.000 I admire women who do that because they have...
00:17:00.000 Some ability to just block out fear or something.
00:17:05.000 I don't know.
00:17:06.000 There are women who are just so good at the home births.
00:17:09.000 The home birth is weird because if something goes sideways...
00:17:13.000 Yeah.
00:17:13.000 I mean, it's terrifying to me.
00:17:15.000 Yeah, you want to be around people that have a lot of kids come out of vaginas on a weekly basis, and they're really good at it.
00:17:23.000 And I know so many women who have had home births, and they were completely fine, and they had their baby, but I just...
00:17:30.000 I was in...
00:17:32.000 I think I was really affected when I was in Dublin.
00:17:35.000 It was like a big grave cemetery, and there were all these, like, it was like a dead kid area, basically, babies that died in childbirth.
00:17:46.000 Oh, wow.
00:17:53.000 Yeah.
00:18:08.000 But it really struck me how far we've come in terms of making childbirth safe.
00:18:15.000 And I think it's like a lot of things.
00:18:17.000 The reason you think you don't need a measles vaccine is because we don't have the measles anymore.
00:18:23.000 And kids aren't dying of the measles.
00:18:25.000 And the reason home births are probably rising in popularity is because people don't die in childbirth as often as they did.
00:18:34.000 Well, it's the same reason why people like reclaimed wood paneling on the walls.
00:18:38.000 They want to go back to the oldie days in their head.
00:18:42.000 Do you want to go back to the oldie days?
00:18:44.000 I don't know.
00:18:44.000 I just think of the way it looks good.
00:18:45.000 It does look good.
00:18:45.000 But there's a thing about it.
00:18:47.000 Totally.
00:18:47.000 It's like you're trying to pretend you live in a barn.
00:18:51.000 You know?
00:18:52.000 It's like, I want organic everything.
00:18:55.000 It's like, there's this thing, I want hand-pressed butter.
00:18:59.000 I want hand-churned this.
00:19:01.000 We have like this...
00:19:04.000 But I don't want to press it.
00:19:05.000 I don't want to have to actually churn it.
00:19:08.000 We have this idealistic view of the past and of natural, air quotes, things.
00:19:17.000 And there is something to be said for it, but it was very time-consuming.
00:19:21.000 People are getting their churned butter post-mated to them now.
00:19:26.000 But even like a natural birth in a bathtub, I'm like, listen, let's be real.
00:19:30.000 When people first had babies, they shit them out in a cave floor, okay?
00:19:35.000 Like, the technology of a bathtub would lend to safer births.
00:19:41.000 Like, you know, you can take that one step further and go to the fucking hospital.
00:19:44.000 Yeah.
00:19:45.000 I went to the hospital.
00:19:47.000 Go to the hospital.
00:19:48.000 Please, kids.
00:19:49.000 Imagine doing a...
00:19:50.000 I don't know.
00:19:51.000 Some people, you're going to get a lot of pushback on that because there's a whole...
00:19:55.000 I know.
00:19:56.000 There's a whole movement.
00:19:57.000 A whole birth movement.
00:19:59.000 But when you actually...
00:20:00.000 I went down the rabbit hole of the numbers and when you look at the actual statistics, I'm like, do these people not look at the statistics?
00:20:08.000 I think it's like 50% of them end up going to a hospital.
00:20:13.000 Because so much can go wrong.
00:20:16.000 I think you first feel the vagina tear pain and you're like, is there a way you can stop this from happening?
00:20:24.000 The ring of fire.
00:20:25.000 That's what they call it.
00:20:26.000 The ring of fire when the baby's crowning.
00:20:29.000 Yeah, no, it's crazy, and I... You know, there's so much pressure, too, I think.
00:20:35.000 Like, you're less of a woman if you...
00:20:39.000 It's weird.
00:20:40.000 If you get the painkillers?
00:20:41.000 No, if you get the painkillers, or if you get a cesarean.
00:20:45.000 Oh, God.
00:20:46.000 Really?
00:20:46.000 Yeah, there's a lot of competition, I think, in the...
00:20:51.000 It's a weird, you know, like, my birth was more natural than...
00:20:59.000 Your birth out there.
00:21:00.000 And I think there's a lot of pressure on women to try and have as natural as a birth as they possibly can.
00:21:06.000 And many women go into with their birthing plan.
00:21:09.000 My OBGYN laughed at me because I was like, my birthing plan is me and the baby live through the birth.
00:21:17.000 He's like, honestly, that's the best birthing plan to have.
00:21:21.000 But so many people go in with a birthing plan is a thing now.
00:21:24.000 And they go in and they're like, I don't want any drugs in like four hours.
00:21:28.000 Give me the drugs!
00:21:30.000 Give me the fucking drugs!
00:21:32.000 I don't think you could possibly imagine what that pain is like, I guess, until you experience it.
00:21:37.000 I have a lot of friends who have gone bareback with no painkiller and just...
00:21:44.000 Rugged women.
00:21:45.000 Yeah, and they...
00:21:47.000 Actually, most of them are from the Midwest.
00:21:48.000 They're my friends from Minnesota.
00:21:51.000 They're hardy.
00:21:52.000 They're just badass in that way.
00:21:54.000 I just know myself.
00:21:55.000 I know...
00:21:56.000 My mom had five C-sections.
00:21:58.000 Wow, what is that like after the fifth one?
00:22:00.000 I don't even know...
00:22:01.000 What's that road look like?
00:22:02.000 They'll let you, yeah.
00:22:03.000 I don't know if they'll even let you do that anymore.
00:22:07.000 I'm not sure...
00:22:08.000 Well, how would they stop you from doing that?
00:22:09.000 I don't know how they'd stop you, but...
00:22:11.000 Because you can't have vaginal birth after you have a C-section, right?
00:22:14.000 Well, you can.
00:22:14.000 It's called a VBAC. It's a vaginal birth after cesarean.
00:22:18.000 And so nowadays...
00:22:20.000 You can.
00:22:21.000 And women often do.
00:22:24.000 When did that change?
00:22:25.000 Pretty recently, I think.
00:22:27.000 A lot of the thinking around it changed.
00:22:30.000 One cesarean doesn't necessarily mean you have to have a cesarean.
00:22:34.000 I think a lot of it depends on how long ago you had your cesarean.
00:22:39.000 Whether it's all healed up?
00:22:40.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:22:41.000 How does your abdominal area feel?
00:22:45.000 Does it feel like it got cut open?
00:22:48.000 Well, because they move the muscles.
00:22:49.000 Yeah.
00:22:50.000 So there's definitely some weakness.
00:22:52.000 I've been just trying to...
00:22:54.000 I started doing kind of like core rehab right away just because I knew it would go into my back carrying around the baby.
00:23:02.000 And a lot of people I know have just back issues after cesareans.
00:23:07.000 And it definitely feels like, especially like the lower abs, I have a harder time engaging them.
00:23:14.000 And it feels weaker, obviously.
00:23:15.000 It was six months ago.
00:23:18.000 And I have a scar.
00:23:20.000 She was big.
00:23:22.000 She was like almost nine pounds.
00:23:25.000 She came out like, what?
00:23:27.000 Nine pounds.
00:23:28.000 That's a solid dumbbell.
00:23:31.000 How much did you have?
00:23:34.000 If you look at the baby's nine pounds, And then how much other stuff is in there?
00:23:43.000 What's the weight of all the, you know, the placenta and everything?
00:23:47.000 Yeah.
00:23:47.000 Apparently my placenta was like abnormally big too.
00:23:50.000 He was like, good job.
00:23:52.000 The placenta was huge.
00:23:53.000 Does that mean you're healthy?
00:23:55.000 I don't know.
00:23:56.000 Maybe.
00:23:56.000 I mean, I'm 40. I had a baby of 43 years old.
00:24:00.000 And I want to be clear.
00:24:02.000 I'm convinced it was like the last egg.
00:24:06.000 I want to be very clear that it was a miracle because I think people will hear my story and they'll be like, oh, I can wait.
00:24:13.000 No, don't wait.
00:24:15.000 Don't wait.
00:24:16.000 Even if you get your eggs frozen, even if it's still so much harder the older you get, not to mention, if you look at the numbers for chromosomal abnormalities, it all goes exponentially up the older you get.
00:24:30.000 And men need to know that it goes up for their sperm as well.
00:24:33.000 It's not simply the woman's age.
00:24:36.000 I had a conversation with a friend of mine who was 49. He was thinking about having a kid.
00:24:39.000 He's like, oh, you know, it's really more important that the girl's younger.
00:24:41.000 I go, no, it's not.
00:24:42.000 You need to read.
00:24:44.000 Like, there's issues when men are older and they start having children.
00:24:49.000 Yeah.
00:24:50.000 And as you get into your 50s and 60s, and there's guys out there having babies in their fucking 70s.
00:24:54.000 I know.
00:24:55.000 Look at Mick Jagger.
00:24:56.000 I know.
00:24:56.000 He shot a live one in there a couple of years ago.
00:24:58.000 I know.
00:24:58.000 But he's Mick Jagger.
00:25:00.000 He seems like he's pretty youthful.
00:25:01.000 Do you know he's the same age as Biden?
00:25:04.000 He's out there dancing and doing splits.
00:25:07.000 We saw him at CODA, at the Circuit of the Americas here.
00:25:10.000 The Stones were there.
00:25:11.000 It's crazy.
00:25:12.000 It was like a psychedelic experience.
00:25:14.000 Like I was on drugs.
00:25:16.000 I was sitting there watching.
00:25:17.000 I can't believe they're there.
00:25:19.000 That's really Mick Jagger.
00:25:20.000 That's really Keith Richards.
00:25:21.000 They did sell their souls to the devil.
00:25:24.000 Well, they're old as fuck.
00:25:26.000 I mean, they look 79. Yeah.
00:25:28.000 But, I mean, it's just knowing the history of the Rolling Stones and what they've gone through and to see them out there still touring.
00:25:35.000 He works out every day.
00:25:37.000 He has two trailers that are just his workout equipment.
00:25:41.000 Have you ever seen the Rolling Stone art exhibit that was going around?
00:25:44.000 I think maybe like, I don't know, I feel like it was 2016. It was in London.
00:25:49.000 Then it came to the States.
00:25:51.000 It's amazing.
00:25:52.000 It takes you through their whole history.
00:25:54.000 And those guys were selling out stadiums in the 70s.
00:25:58.000 Yeah.
00:25:59.000 In the...
00:26:00.000 I mean, I think...
00:26:01.000 Fifty fucking years ago.
00:26:02.000 Who is it that has...
00:26:03.000 Mulaney, I think, has that great bit about Mick Jagger where...
00:26:06.000 And he talks about just how can you be normal?
00:26:10.000 I mean, I love your stadium videos and I was like, how are you normal after that?
00:26:15.000 But how are you normal if you're Mick Jagger?
00:26:17.000 I don't know.
00:26:18.000 Fifty years of that.
00:26:19.000 But I think that becomes your normal.
00:26:21.000 Well, of course.
00:26:22.000 Like anything.
00:26:23.000 That's all it is.
00:26:24.000 Yeah.
00:26:24.000 Mick Jagger was in Austin.
00:26:25.000 He went to bars and shit and played pool and was eating pizza.
00:26:28.000 Amazing.
00:26:29.000 He's like out there doing normal shit.
00:26:30.000 He's so- He took photos, put it on his Instagram.
00:26:34.000 Yeah.
00:26:35.000 I'm here at the pub.
00:26:36.000 He's just going out.
00:26:39.000 He has so much vitality, though.
00:26:41.000 He really is.
00:26:42.000 I mean, I understand him having a shoot and a live one out at 70 because he seems virile to me.
00:26:47.000 You know, he's got that kind of...
00:26:49.000 Look at that.
00:26:50.000 It's insane.
00:26:50.000 Look at that.
00:26:51.000 That's insane.
00:26:52.000 I saw them when I was in high school, which was over 20 years ago, and they were old then.
00:26:57.000 That's in 75. Yeah.
00:26:59.000 So that is...
00:27:00.000 Where is that?
00:27:00.000 In Cleveland?
00:27:01.000 Is that what I said, Jamie?
00:27:02.000 Yeah.
00:27:02.000 Cleveland.
00:27:03.000 What is the arena?
00:27:05.000 It's like a baseball.
00:27:06.000 I mean, that's where the Indians and the Browns played back then.
00:27:08.000 Look how many fucking people are in the crowd!
00:27:10.000 Look at the floor.
00:27:12.000 I know!
00:27:12.000 Just the floor.
00:27:13.000 It's ants.
00:27:14.000 That's gotta be 100,000 people, right?
00:27:16.000 That's crazy.
00:27:17.000 Doesn't it look like 100,000 people?
00:27:19.000 And that's in 75. Wow.
00:27:22.000 Wow.
00:27:23.000 Yeah, no, it's crazy.
00:27:24.000 And every, like, 20 years, he upgrades and gets a new wife.
00:27:29.000 That's what you can do when you're Mick Jagger.
00:27:30.000 Oh, we've had a good run.
00:27:33.000 Yeah, look at that fucking crowd.
00:27:36.000 No, it's crazy.
00:27:37.000 And they're still so good.
00:27:39.000 Yeah.
00:27:39.000 Oh, the show they put on was phenomenal.
00:27:43.000 Yeah.
00:27:43.000 It was phenomenal.
00:27:44.000 I'm sure.
00:27:44.000 And then we hung out with Roger Waters.
00:27:46.000 Roger Waters came and we saw him in Austin.
00:27:49.000 Holy shit is his show good.
00:27:51.000 It was absolutely the best live show I've ever seen in my life.
00:27:55.000 Oh wow.
00:27:56.000 It's incredible.
00:27:57.000 What made it the best live show?
00:27:59.000 The visuals that go with the performance.
00:28:02.000 He has these enormous screens.
00:28:05.000 And he's the only guy I've ever seen that can successfully integrate a real message in with his music that coincides with the music.
00:28:16.000 It enhances the experience.
00:28:18.000 You don't feel like you're getting preached to.
00:28:20.000 Because that is really who that man is.
00:28:22.000 And his songs, these brilliant songs that span decades, He sings them and has this band play them while these immense visuals, and I was told that it was the largest, heaviest stage set in the world.
00:28:38.000 Wow.
00:28:38.000 It's insane.
00:28:39.000 Do you have photos from that?
00:28:42.000 Wow.
00:28:42.000 It's fucking wild.
00:28:45.000 When you see the visuals and Roger Waters, after every show, gets a flash drive and he eats and then he goes back to his room.
00:28:56.000 He puts the flash drive in his computer.
00:28:57.000 He watches the performance and he tweaks it.
00:29:00.000 Wow.
00:29:00.000 He changes the words.
00:29:02.000 He changes the visuals.
00:29:04.000 So like...
00:29:07.000 Those are all screens.
00:29:09.000 Wow.
00:29:10.000 All across the top of it.
00:29:11.000 And it's like a plus sign, you know?
00:29:15.000 Yeah.
00:29:15.000 And so all around it are screens.
00:29:18.000 So everywhere you are, you see these immense screens that have these visuals that go with like comfortably numbness.
00:29:26.000 And whatever song they're playing, Wish You Were Here, it's fucking amazing.
00:29:32.000 I thought it would just be like the Wizard of Oz playing.
00:29:35.000 He says that's just total cosmic coincidence.
00:29:38.000 Wow.
00:29:39.000 Isn't that crazy?
00:29:40.000 That the dark side of the moon, like if you sync it up with the Wizard of Oz, you would swear that it was designed that way, but it's not.
00:29:48.000 It's just a cosmic coincidence.
00:29:50.000 I grew up listening to this.
00:29:51.000 God, I would just get so stoned.
00:29:54.000 Yeah, if you went to see that, you'd feel like you were stoned, even if you were sober.
00:29:58.000 Yeah, that's like Tool.
00:30:00.000 Have you ever been to a Tool show?
00:30:01.000 No, I haven't.
00:30:02.000 They have amazing, amazing visuals on their shows.
00:30:06.000 I mean, it's crazy.
00:30:07.000 I had Maynard on on Monday.
00:30:09.000 Oh, really?
00:30:10.000 Yeah, he's a trip.
00:30:11.000 He is such a trip.
00:30:13.000 He's such a unique guy.
00:30:14.000 He came in two and a half hours before the podcast and did jiu-jitsu.
00:30:20.000 Oh, cool.
00:30:20.000 So he came in.
00:30:22.000 We brought John Donaher, the best jiu-jitsu instructor in the world, who lives here in Austin.
00:30:25.000 And they went over the final points of triangle chokes.
00:30:28.000 Oh, wow.
00:30:29.000 In my gym.
00:30:30.000 While we're waiting to go do a podcast.
00:30:33.000 That's so cool.
00:30:33.000 I have to listen to that one.
00:30:35.000 Yeah, that was one of the trippiest, most amazing visuals.
00:30:38.000 I still remember that show.
00:30:40.000 It just, like, blew my mind what they were doing visually.
00:30:44.000 Well, he's...
00:30:45.000 You know, he's an artist.
00:30:47.000 He's a guy that goes over every detail of everything.
00:30:51.000 I think music is so transcendent.
00:30:54.000 It is.
00:30:55.000 Of all the arts.
00:30:56.000 I love all of the arts and F all of these kids who are gluing themselves to frickin' classic art pieces.
00:31:04.000 Yeah, well they're gluing themselves to the wall and throwing soup on the plastic.
00:31:07.000 Someone glued themselves to the actual painting the other day.
00:31:10.000 The girl with the pearl earring, yeah.
00:31:12.000 Where was this?
00:31:15.000 Where is that painting?
00:31:17.000 I just was reading about it on the way over here.
00:31:19.000 They should start hacking arms off.
00:31:21.000 That would stop that.
00:31:22.000 I was like, get Mo, all of them!
00:31:24.000 Just put a tourniquet around their forearm.
00:31:26.000 A climate protester glues his head to Girl with a Pearl Earring painting.
00:31:30.000 Oh yeah, that's what I thought.
00:31:31.000 Oh my god.
00:31:33.000 I mean...
00:31:34.000 He glued his head to the painting.
00:31:36.000 And I'm not sure if this is true, so maybe fact check me on this, Jamie.
00:31:40.000 But I also heard that somebody who's funding all of these is one of the grandchildren of the Gettys, which makes it even more hilarious if this is true.
00:31:49.000 Well, who knows how much funding is involved in crazy glue.
00:31:52.000 That's an oil family!
00:31:55.000 Yeah, but I'm saying it's crazy glue.
00:31:58.000 But how much funding is involved?
00:32:00.000 They're climate activists, all these people.
00:32:05.000 Getty oil fortune heiress helped fund climate activists who have targeted artworks and museums.
00:32:10.000 It's hilarious to me.
00:32:12.000 Like, you are rich because of oil.
00:32:16.000 She looks like the type of person who'd fund that.
00:32:20.000 She looks angry.
00:32:22.000 Maybe she's angry to be born into such wealth.
00:32:25.000 Does she have a biohazard tattoo on her left arm?
00:32:28.000 Oh, Christ.
00:32:29.000 It does say biohazard.
00:32:31.000 Oh, my God.
00:32:33.000 You see what they did at the Porsche Museum?
00:32:36.000 Where they were mad that they didn't get buckets to poop in?
00:32:40.000 No, they glued themselves to the floors and the Porsche people just shut the lights off and left the place.
00:32:44.000 Fuck off.
00:32:45.000 I thought one of the guys was mad.
00:32:47.000 Maybe this was another place.
00:32:48.000 No, they couldn't go to the bathroom.
00:32:50.000 They wanted somewhere to go to the bathroom.
00:32:51.000 Look at that.
00:32:52.000 Glued themselves to the Porsche Museum but needed to go potty.
00:32:54.000 Staff simply left, turning off heat and lights rather than calling the police.
00:32:59.000 Good for you.
00:33:00.000 Good for you, Porsche.
00:33:03.000 It's so fucking dumb.
00:33:05.000 It's like, we keep starting the conversation.
00:33:09.000 The conversation's already happening.
00:33:11.000 We shouldn't even be giving them attention, honestly.
00:33:13.000 No, it's a symbol of this TikTok generation.
00:33:16.000 Yeah.
00:33:17.000 It's a symptom of all this nonsense that you're seeing constantly online.
00:33:20.000 These people, they're trying to get attention with the least amount of work possible.
00:33:25.000 Yeah!
00:33:25.000 I'm like, go clean up a beach.
00:33:28.000 Do something productive.
00:33:30.000 If you care about the climate, I'm always screaming about this.
00:33:35.000 Organize an international clean up the beach day.
00:33:38.000 Take pictures of all the garbage that you collect.
00:33:42.000 All over the world.
00:33:43.000 Post TikToks about it.
00:33:44.000 I can be an activist.
00:33:46.000 But do something.
00:33:48.000 It would be moving to see how much garbage is on the beach.
00:33:53.000 The girls who threw the soup at the Van Gogh, they went on Patrick David's podcast, and he's a brilliant guy, and he asked them, may I ask what your pronouns are?
00:34:05.000 And she said her pronouns are she, he, they.
00:34:09.000 I don't understand.
00:34:11.000 You don't have to.
00:34:11.000 That's perfect.
00:34:12.000 It's perfect.
00:34:13.000 That's nonsense.
00:34:14.000 I don't understand.
00:34:15.000 You're she, he, and you're they?
00:34:17.000 So you're plural, you're masculine, and you're feminine.
00:34:21.000 You're basically a god.
00:34:26.000 I don't get it, though.
00:34:28.000 You don't have to get it.
00:34:28.000 They're 20-year-old kids.
00:34:30.000 I don't get it.
00:34:30.000 They just want attention, and they're so happy they're getting attention because they think they're fixing the world by gluing themselves to the wall.
00:34:36.000 I would agree, except it's all been institutionalized.
00:34:40.000 People have to put this in their corporate emails that they're sending to you.
00:34:46.000 They have to...
00:34:49.000 There's policy being written in Europe about energy because of Greta.
00:34:54.000 It's not like, oh, look at these crazy kids and their crazy ideas.
00:34:59.000 And it's somehow being captured by their capturing institutions.
00:35:05.000 Well, it's the thing du jour, right?
00:35:09.000 Current thingism?
00:35:11.000 Yeah.
00:35:11.000 It's the thing that people are told they have to concentrate on now.
00:35:15.000 But there's still policies and stuff that are...
00:35:19.000 Yes.
00:35:20.000 So it's still having real life ramifications.
00:35:22.000 It's not like we're like, oh, those crazy kids.
00:35:25.000 It is having real life.
00:35:26.000 But it also is overcorrections and then there's balances, right?
00:35:30.000 Like there's a guy that I'm going to talk to that is covering cobalt mining.
00:35:36.000 And cobalt mining is horrific.
00:35:39.000 I know.
00:35:39.000 It is horrific.
00:35:40.000 And it is in all of our electronics.
00:35:42.000 It's like one of the things that I've been saying about all these people that are tweeting about injustices on the world, they're doing it on a phone that was made by slaves.
00:35:49.000 Yeah.
00:35:49.000 Like, if you go down as far as you can go to find, like, what's the source of the stuff that is in the phone that makes it work?
00:35:58.000 Yeah.
00:35:58.000 It's sourced by slavery.
00:35:59.000 All these electric vehicle batteries, too.
00:36:02.000 Yeah.
00:36:02.000 I mean, what are we going to do with all the technological waste?
00:36:06.000 We just, like, take computers and what do you do with your own computer?
00:36:10.000 Well, what do you do with all...
00:36:12.000 There's a lot.
00:36:13.000 There's a lot to do.
00:36:14.000 I would imagine that this is an opportunity for someone to innovate and come up with a way to recycle that stuff and use it in a way.
00:36:22.000 But then I was reading about recycling the other day.
00:36:24.000 I went down a rabbit hole the other day because I was reading about birds that are swallowing bottle caps and stuff like that.
00:36:31.000 It's a giant issue.
00:36:32.000 So then I went on a rabbit hole of seagulls.
00:36:35.000 And what cunt seagulls are.
00:36:37.000 And seagulls swallowing rabbits and swallowing other birds.
00:36:40.000 Seagulls are monsters.
00:36:42.000 No, they are.
00:36:42.000 They're fucking monsters.
00:36:43.000 A seagull on the beach out east swept down and took my cousin's sandwich out of her hand while she was eating it.
00:36:51.000 This is a true story.
00:36:52.000 That's little.
00:36:53.000 They'll eat your kid.
00:36:54.000 If your kid was small enough, they'd swallow your kid.
00:36:56.000 I mean, they're literally opportunist monsters.
00:36:59.000 You know, the worst is pelicans.
00:37:01.000 Pelicans swallow seagulls.
00:37:03.000 They swoop down.
00:37:04.000 They take a whole seagull.
00:37:06.000 They look like dinosaurs.
00:37:07.000 They are dinosaurs.
00:37:08.000 They are.
00:37:09.000 Whenever you're on the beach and you see them flying by, they look like pterodactyls, like little ones.
00:37:13.000 Yeah, they're spooky animals.
00:37:15.000 But they're also awesome.
00:37:17.000 So then I went down this rabbit hole of recycling.
00:37:20.000 And do you know that it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 5% of plastic gets recycled, even though you say recycled?
00:37:27.000 Yeah.
00:37:28.000 Like you put it in a recyclable bin.
00:37:29.000 How much actually gets recycled?
00:37:30.000 Very, very little of it.
00:37:32.000 One of the first articles I ever read in the New York Times Magazine back when it was good, I was in high school, and there was a whole article about how recycling is basically bullshit.
00:37:42.000 Yeah, it's basically bullshit.
00:37:43.000 I mean, it could work, but it doesn't work.
00:37:47.000 If you could get all the plastic and there was some sort of a financially feasible way to...
00:37:52.000 Gather it all up and process it and reuse it.
00:37:55.000 It can be done.
00:37:56.000 Right.
00:37:56.000 I mean, there's that project that they're doing with the Pacific Garbage Patch where they're scooping up all that stuff and they're converting it into plastic that they use for items.
00:38:07.000 Like you can buy like eyeglasses that were made, the plastic frames and everything were made with the recycled plastic.
00:38:15.000 That's crazy.
00:38:16.000 Which is cool that they're doing that, and then there's a way to make it financially viable.
00:38:22.000 But overall, most of the plastic, single-use plastic, like bottles, water bottles and stuff like that, it's not being recycled.
00:38:30.000 Yeah, we stopped using water bottles here.
00:38:32.000 We have a water filter now, and then we have these steel cups.
00:38:36.000 I'm contributing, man!
00:38:37.000 I'm glad!
00:38:38.000 Meanwhile, I drove an electric car.
00:38:40.000 You know, and that's not providing, you know, it's not putting out bad emissions, but it's also, it's like, where's the batteries coming from?
00:38:48.000 I always think of Thomas Sowell and his, like, famous quote, there aren't solutions, there are trade-offs.
00:38:55.000 And if you start evaluating everything from that perspective, you can, I feel like, get to more helpful solutions when you know that you're evaluating the trade-offs.
00:39:06.000 Yeah.
00:39:06.000 No, Thomas Sowell's brilliant.
00:39:07.000 Yeah.
00:39:07.000 He really is brilliant.
00:39:08.000 But I just apply that, you know, to life often, where it's like, okay, we're trying to make a decision.
00:39:15.000 Sure.
00:39:15.000 And there's going to be some trade-offs.
00:39:18.000 But people don't like trade-offs, right?
00:39:19.000 They like binary things.
00:39:21.000 This is good.
00:39:21.000 This is bad.
00:39:22.000 You know, it's like abortion is the perfect example of that.
00:39:25.000 It is one of those what I call it's a messy human issue.
00:39:29.000 Like I am 100% in favor of a woman's right to choose.
00:39:33.000 However, when you get to like late term, it gets real weird.
00:39:40.000 Bill Burr has a fucking amazing bit about it.
00:39:43.000 I saw it.
00:39:43.000 It's brilliant.
00:39:43.000 It's an amazing bit.
00:39:45.000 Bill is brilliant.
00:39:47.000 That's the best bit on abortion I've ever seen.
00:39:49.000 Yeah.
00:39:50.000 It's such a good bit.
00:39:51.000 And it's highlighting exactly what it is.
00:39:54.000 It's a complex issue.
00:39:56.000 And like Soul says, there's trade-offs.
00:39:58.000 It's not as simple as like, you should be able to do this and no one should tell you to do that.
00:40:03.000 Yes, you're right.
00:40:04.000 But what about this thing?
00:40:06.000 Roe v.
00:40:07.000 Wade changed the day I had this woman, Inez Stepman, on my podcast.
00:40:11.000 And she's brilliant.
00:40:14.000 She's a lawyer, so she has a legal mind.
00:40:17.000 And she and I had a really interesting discussion about it.
00:40:23.000 She said, you know, this is morally complex, this issue.
00:40:27.000 And if you're not kind of confused and torn about it, you're not really thinking deeply about it.
00:40:34.000 And I do think with the late term abortions, it's usually horrific instances when they have, it's usually like, it's a very small percentage and it's usually something horrible and tragic.
00:40:47.000 Like the mom doesn't, I need somebody, because whenever people say, no, people are doing this in the ninth month, I'm like, okay, I need an example of somebody doing this before I'm just like, oh my God, people are making this decision.
00:41:02.000 But I always thought, I had Chris Williamson on my podcast, and he asked me if my views on abortion had changed since I had a kid.
00:41:10.000 But I think my views had been changing kind of prior.
00:41:14.000 Not changing necessarily, but I always thought it was three months.
00:41:17.000 Growing up, I don't know why I thought this.
00:41:19.000 I thought it was three months, and then I learned pretty late, it's embarrassing, that it was like five months in a lot of places, and some places, you know, no limits.
00:41:31.000 And I'm definitely squishy about that.
00:41:34.000 I had a friend in New York and he was kind of fucked up.
00:41:38.000 He was just a mess.
00:41:40.000 A lot of mental health issues.
00:41:43.000 He was all over the place.
00:41:44.000 He could never get his life together.
00:41:46.000 He was really depressed and always falling apart and trying to get himself back together again.
00:41:50.000 Always a mess.
00:41:52.000 And his girlfriend got pregnant.
00:41:55.000 And she was pretty far along, and he convinced her to get an abortion.
00:41:59.000 It was when you can get a late-term abortion.
00:42:01.000 I mean, she was pregnant.
00:42:02.000 I mean, she was showing.
00:42:04.000 I don't know how many months, but it was quite a few months, and she was horrified by it.
00:42:08.000 She didn't want to do it, and he kind of forced her into doing it or talked her into doing it.
00:42:12.000 And then later, they wound up having kids, which is even crazier.
00:42:19.000 It's wild, because it's...
00:42:22.000 I mean, this was in the 90s, early 90s.
00:42:25.000 I don't know what the laws were then or what you were allowed to do or not allowed to do, but he was just so fucked up.
00:42:33.000 At the time, I think he's better now, but he had a really bad childhood, physically abused, and he was just a mess, and he just didn't want to deal with the responsibility, and he didn't think he could deal with it.
00:42:48.000 But then again, should you...
00:42:52.000 So you're pro-choice.
00:42:54.000 I'm 100% pro-choice, but I'm also aware that there's people like that.
00:42:59.000 Yeah.
00:43:00.000 I mean, that is the rarity, right?
00:43:02.000 It is rare.
00:43:03.000 I'm not saying there's a bunch of people that are hoping that they...
00:43:06.000 Yeah, they're like, don't want to do this.
00:43:09.000 No.
00:43:10.000 I'm 100% pro-choice.
00:43:12.000 First of all, I am a man, and I do not think that it is my right to tell anyone what they can and can't do with their body.
00:43:19.000 Yeah.
00:43:19.000 But I don't think that...
00:43:21.000 I don't think that it's clear at what point in time it becomes morally reprehensible.
00:43:28.000 But there comes a time where it is.
00:43:30.000 Yeah.
00:43:30.000 I mean, and I feel like it's different for everyone.
00:43:34.000 Yeah.
00:43:35.000 Because I understand the pro-life argument.
00:43:39.000 I, like, completely...
00:43:40.000 I do, too.
00:43:40.000 If you believe it starts at conception and, like, in that bit, you're kind of interrupting a process that would take place naturally, I understand.
00:43:50.000 I feel like I've become...
00:43:52.000 I guess, like...
00:43:53.000 And I think, honestly, most Americans are pretty squishy on it.
00:43:57.000 Like, in the first three months, they're like, okay, because so much goes wrong anyway.
00:44:01.000 It's why people don't even talk about being pregnant a lot of the time for the first trimester.
00:44:07.000 But then...
00:44:08.000 After that, the support for it drastically goes down.
00:44:12.000 So as viability goes up on all of the polls, the support for the abortion kind of goes down because I think now they're keeping babies alive that are like 21 weeks, I think is the youngest.
00:44:28.000 I'm not 100%.
00:44:29.000 I know that's like five months.
00:44:32.000 Yeah.
00:44:33.000 I mean, it was weird.
00:44:34.000 The abortion ban in Texas, the six-week heart ban, came down when I was six weeks pregnant and heard my daughter's heartbeat.
00:44:45.000 What was your thoughts?
00:44:46.000 It was fucked up.
00:44:47.000 It was definitely like a weird mindfuck where I was like, ah!
00:44:51.000 Yeah.
00:44:52.000 Because...
00:44:54.000 Yeah.
00:44:55.000 It's fucked up.
00:44:56.000 You know what else is fucked up?
00:44:57.000 You know, we've talked about this before, but there was a...
00:45:00.000 When abortion was first made legal in this country, or readily available, there was a direct correlation 18 years later with a decrease in violent crime, you know, and Malcolm VanWalsh talked about this.
00:45:13.000 Oh, yeah.
00:45:13.000 And Freakonomics, I think, did something about this too, those guys?
00:45:17.000 Mm-hmm.
00:45:18.000 Okay.
00:45:18.000 Where it's like, should you force people to have a child?
00:45:22.000 And then what are you doing when you're doing that?
00:45:25.000 Is that detrimental to society?
00:45:27.000 Is it detrimental to those people's lives?
00:45:29.000 And then here's the big one for me.
00:45:32.000 When people say that you should never get an abortion, what about those instances where the woman's life is in danger?
00:45:37.000 Yeah.
00:45:38.000 No, I hate that.
00:45:39.000 That is crazy.
00:45:40.000 Or like incest and rape.
00:45:41.000 Like you're going to force somebody to do this.
00:45:44.000 That seems cruel too.
00:45:45.000 And this is what Ines and I were talking about was like there's two, you know, you're balancing the liberty of the mother versus the life of this unborn child.
00:45:57.000 It's not, it's messy.
00:45:59.000 It's messy.
00:46:00.000 It's really messy.
00:46:01.000 It is messy.
00:46:01.000 And it's definitely...
00:46:03.000 She believes, like, kicking it down to the states is a victory for federalism.
00:46:08.000 She's like, this should always be, you know, if there's a state where...
00:46:12.000 Because many women are pro-life.
00:46:14.000 If there's a state where people are voting for this and that's what the people want in their state versus another state, then that is the will of the people in that state, which she thinks is a win for democracy.
00:46:28.000 Right.
00:46:28.000 But it is a fascinating thing that we're doing here, this experiment in self-democracy or self-government, where you do have options, where there's different states that do have different laws that apply to almost everything, that applies to drugs, that applies to so many different things you can do and not do.
00:46:47.000 Like, for the longest time, Montana didn't have a speed limit.
00:46:49.000 Yeah.
00:46:51.000 They're like, who gives a fuck?
00:46:52.000 It's Montana.
00:46:53.000 Yeah.
00:46:53.000 But they had to.
00:46:55.000 I think federally they had to change it at one point in time to get funding.
00:46:58.000 Yeah.
00:46:59.000 But I remember that a friend of mine used to register his cars in Montana.
00:47:04.000 Because it was like a thing if you buy land in Montana, you could just register cars out there.
00:47:09.000 And basically you could do wild shit out there.
00:47:12.000 You saw a lot of people move with their feet in the pandemic.
00:47:15.000 100%.
00:47:16.000 Yes.
00:47:17.000 Me?
00:47:17.000 Yeah.
00:47:18.000 You had the option.
00:47:19.000 You were like, I don't like what's happening with the policies and mandates not even voted on here, and I'm going somewhere else.
00:47:27.000 Yeah.
00:47:28.000 And lots of people did that.
00:47:29.000 Well, I'm not a big believer that things always get better.
00:47:33.000 I'm an optimist, but I'm also a realist, and I grew up kind of without a lot of stability.
00:47:41.000 I think we're very similar.
00:47:43.000 Yeah, so I see danger coming, and I'm like, I gotta get the fuck out of here.
00:47:47.000 You guys can stay if you want.
00:47:49.000 I hear wolves.
00:47:50.000 And some people are like, wolves are my friend.
00:47:54.000 I'm like...
00:47:55.000 Excuse me, they identify as...
00:47:58.000 Yeah, I just, you know, I think it's great that we have these options as opposed to a place like Australia where you were fucked.
00:48:06.000 Like you had to obey the law of the land and now we're finding out that law of the land was based on bullshit.
00:48:13.000 Canada.
00:48:13.000 Yeah, Canada was the worst.
00:48:16.000 And did you see that woman from Alberta?
00:48:19.000 She's a politician and she's talking about the deal that they made with the World Economic Forum.
00:48:24.000 She's like, what the fuck are we doing with the World Economic Forum?
00:48:27.000 Why are we doing that?
00:48:28.000 I want to get out of that.
00:48:29.000 Yeah, that stuff seems so crazy to me, a lot of it.
00:48:32.000 But it is such a blessing in this country that you're able to see that.
00:48:38.000 I was just talking with a driver on the way over here about how some things are so instinctually ingrained in us.
00:48:48.000 And during the pandemic and unrest, people were like, I need land!
00:48:52.000 Yeah.
00:48:52.000 Yeah.
00:48:53.000 Land!
00:48:54.000 Land.
00:48:54.000 I need land and I need to grow my own food.
00:48:56.000 Yeah, and bread.
00:48:57.000 Everybody was making bread.
00:48:59.000 Yeah.
00:49:00.000 This is some, like, ancient shit that gets triggered.
00:49:02.000 You're like, I need land and bread and food and dig my well deeper so that I have water.
00:49:08.000 Yeah.
00:49:08.000 Duncan sent me a photograph during the pandemic of the meat aisle at the supermarket that he goes to in, like, Silver Lake, and there was nothing in it.
00:49:17.000 Yeah.
00:49:17.000 There was nothing except, like, vegan meat.
00:49:19.000 Yeah.
00:49:20.000 There were stacks of vegan meat, but...
00:49:22.000 My husband was working at Trader Joe's through the whole pandemic almost.
00:49:25.000 And he would send me pictures and he was like, this is a really good experiment in what we shouldn't be stocking at Trader Joe's anymore.
00:49:34.000 Because it was just like the things that were left over like chocolate hummus.
00:49:38.000 I didn't even know they had it.
00:49:39.000 I don't think they do anymore.
00:49:40.000 Well, you know, people, they buy that stuff because they think it's healthy and they're being hoodwinked.
00:49:46.000 That shit is the...
00:49:47.000 Seed oils is what's in that stuff.
00:49:49.000 Seed oils are some of the worst fucking things your body can consume.
00:49:52.000 In what?
00:49:53.000 Seed oils in those vegan patties and vegan beef and all...
00:49:57.000 There's so many products that have seed oils in them.
00:50:00.000 And there's another rabbit hole I've been going down lately about seed oils.
00:50:03.000 Paul Saladino sent me something that there's some sort of...
00:50:08.000 Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie, so we can parse through this.
00:50:10.000 There's some sort of a correlation between seed oils and macular degeneration.
00:50:15.000 Look, it causes inflammation, and inflammation is fucking terrible for you no matter what.
00:50:21.000 And they're not designed, they were initially made, and this is something that we, Max, how do you say his last name?
00:50:30.000 Lugavere?
00:50:32.000 How do you say it?
00:50:33.000 Like even sunflower seed oil?
00:50:36.000 Sunflower seeds are terrible for you.
00:50:37.000 But don't they use this in other cultures all over the world?
00:50:41.000 Yes, it's terrible for you.
00:50:42.000 All that stuff was initially invented as industrial oil to lubricate machines.
00:50:48.000 Like, grapeseed oil?
00:50:50.000 Fucking terrible for you.
00:50:51.000 All that stuff is terrible for you.
00:50:53.000 Here.
00:50:55.000 Dietary fatty acids, macular degeneration.
00:50:58.000 Here, I'll send this to you, Jamie.
00:51:02.000 Is your thing on?
00:51:03.000 Your eardrum on?
00:51:03.000 Here it is.
00:51:05.000 They're not designed for human consumption.
00:51:08.000 For you to be able to get oil out of grape seeds, there's this horrible process.
00:51:15.000 It was really like, okay, we have these leftover seeds.
00:51:18.000 What should we do with them?
00:51:20.000 And like, oh, well, we can take them through this crazy process and extract oil from them.
00:51:25.000 But you have to run through this ridiculous chemical process to take the smell out of them.
00:51:31.000 And then...
00:51:33.000 Yeah, here it is.
00:51:33.000 I know nothing about this.
00:51:35.000 It's not good.
00:51:35.000 All that stuff's not good for you.
00:51:37.000 What's good for you is olive oil.
00:51:38.000 Olive oil is great for you.
00:51:39.000 I use olive oil and avocado oil.
00:51:41.000 Great for you.
00:51:41.000 Good stuff.
00:51:42.000 Love it.
00:51:42.000 Dietary fatty acids and the 10-year incidence of age-related macular degeneration.
00:51:47.000 So the objective was to assess the relationship between baseline dietary fatty acids and 10-year incidence age-related macular degeneration.
00:51:57.000 After adjusting for age, sex, and smoking, one serving of fish per week was associated with reduced risk of incident early AMD, primarily among patients with less than median linoleic acid consumption, finding similar intake of long-chain-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids.
00:52:17.000 One to two servings of nuts per week was associated with a reduced risk of incident So nuts are good.
00:52:45.000 Yeah, nuts are good for you.
00:52:47.000 I mean, there's healthy fats in nuts, and, like, the things that, you know, the things that people think of as healthy, like, a lot of times are not necessarily healthy, and one of those is seed oils.
00:52:59.000 Interesting.
00:53:00.000 The study provides evidence of protection against early AMD from regular eating fish, greater consumption of, um, I don't know what that word is, uh, Google the negative effects of seed oils.
00:53:25.000 Yeah.
00:53:27.000 Yeah.
00:53:44.000 Same thing with avocado oil.
00:53:45.000 There's certain fats that come from vegetables that are really good for you, but those aren't the highly processed ones that were initially designed as industrial machine lubricants, which is what's crazy.
00:53:59.000 How industrial seed oils are making us sick.
00:54:02.000 Click on that.
00:54:05.000 You said you're having someone on to come talk about this?
00:54:07.000 I had someone on recently.
00:54:09.000 Oh, okay.
00:54:10.000 How do you say Max's last name?
00:54:13.000 The way you said it would be how I would say it.
00:54:14.000 Lugavere.
00:54:16.000 Lugavere.
00:54:16.000 Lugavere.
00:54:17.000 I don't want to fuck it up.
00:54:18.000 But Max is brilliant.
00:54:19.000 And we had him on, and he essentially broke it down.
00:54:21.000 And he's a big proponent of olive oil, especially extra virgin olive oil.
00:54:29.000 Experts have presented several dietary culprits as possible explanations for rapidly rising rates of chronic disease in industrialized nations, including sugar and saturated fat.
00:54:40.000 However, one commonly consumed food found in the diets of millions has received surprising little attention.
00:54:47.000 Industrial seed oils.
00:54:48.000 Wow, they're in everything.
00:54:49.000 In fucking everything.
00:54:51.000 Everything.
00:54:52.000 Contrary to what we've been told, industrial seed oils such as soybean, canola, and corn oils are not heart-healthy or otherwise beneficial for our bodies and brains.
00:55:00.000 In fact, plenty of research indicates these oils are making us sick.
00:55:05.000 What are industrial seed oils?
00:55:07.000 Unlike traditional fats such as olive oil, coconut oil, butter, ghee, and lard, industrial seed oils are a very recent addition to the human diet.
00:55:15.000 In fact, industrial seed oils, the highly processed oils extracted from soybeans, corn, Wow.
00:55:29.000 Wow.
00:55:32.000 Wow.
00:55:38.000 I eat so clean.
00:55:41.000 Good for you.
00:55:42.000 That's probably why your placenta was so big.
00:55:44.000 I don't know.
00:55:45.000 I didn't necessarily, when I was pregnant, I gave in to a lot of like, I just like any combination of cheese and bread.
00:55:53.000 I am grilled cheese, mac and cheese, pasta, pizza.
00:55:57.000 I just love it.
00:55:59.000 But then when she was born, she had colic.
00:56:04.000 And there's not really a lot of evidence, but there's a lot of kind of...
00:56:08.000 Put that back.
00:56:09.000 There's like an old wives' tale that what you eat can affect their colic, because colic is a nightmare.
00:56:16.000 And so I just cut out everything except for proteins and veggies, essentially.
00:56:23.000 Well, I think that's just better overall for your body.
00:56:26.000 Well, yeah.
00:56:27.000 I mean...
00:56:27.000 Here is vegetable oils and trans fats, which include soybean, canola, and cottonseed oils, as well as hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated oils, undergo extensive heat and chemical processing.
00:56:38.000 By the end of that process, they are oxidized, damaged, and cause inflammation to all the tissues in our bodies, including our eyes.
00:56:44.000 This is about causes of macular degeneration.
00:56:58.000 Wow.
00:57:01.000 Wow.
00:57:04.000 The exclamation point.
00:57:06.000 I like salad.
00:57:09.000 I like to eat salads.
00:57:10.000 And even when I was eating carnivore, that was the thing that I missed.
00:57:13.000 I miss a nice salad with a lot of leafy greens and cucumbers.
00:57:17.000 I love salads.
00:57:17.000 I love salads.
00:57:18.000 I like it.
00:57:20.000 This argument that salads are bad for you, I tend to lean towards the idea that there's a hormetic effect.
00:57:27.000 And that whatever your body is like, that's what Dr. Rhonda Patrick says.
00:57:35.000 It provides a stressor to your body that provides a hormetic effect that's actually beneficial.
00:57:40.000 What's the argument that they're bad for you?
00:57:42.000 I've never heard that.
00:57:42.000 There's arguments that the real hardcore carnivore people say.
00:57:46.000 I think much of that probably has to do with some people have a high sensitivity to these plant defense chemicals that some plants do produce.
00:57:57.000 We know that plants produce chemicals that What they do, they're trying to avoid predation.
00:58:05.000 Right.
00:58:06.000 Right.
00:58:06.000 So like certain plants, like if you play a recording of caterpillars eating leaves next to plants, they will change their chemical profile.
00:58:16.000 Wow.
00:58:17.000 And it makes it less delicious.
00:58:18.000 Oh.
00:58:19.000 So it makes, they will literally release chemicals that make their leaves taste like shit.
00:58:24.000 Okay.
00:58:26.000 They've done these studies where they found that giraffes that are eating certain trees, I think it's the acacia tree, and they're eating it upwind.
00:58:35.000 And so as this smell and the sound goes downwind, there's some sort of communication that we don't totally understand amongst plants, but the trees downwind become inedible.
00:58:48.000 Everything is a miracle.
00:58:49.000 It's fucking wild, but it's like that's nature preventing...
00:58:53.000 Look, the way that Paul Saladino describes it, and I don't totally buy into all that he's saying, but I think a lot of what he's saying makes sense, is that animals, which are almost all edible, their defense is they run away.
00:59:06.000 Plants, they can't run away.
00:59:07.000 So what they do is they release these plant defense chemicals.
00:59:11.000 Some people are highly sensitive to these.
00:59:14.000 Okay.
00:59:14.000 And when you take those into your body, some people, when they eat certain plants, they have reactions.
00:59:22.000 Like what kind of reaction?
00:59:24.000 Their body, you know, they have like an autoimmune reaction.
00:59:27.000 Oh, okay.
00:59:27.000 Like some people that are on like high vegetable, high oxalate diets, high, you know, like leafy greens and stuff like that.
00:59:34.000 Some people have reactions to them.
00:59:36.000 Mm-hmm.
00:59:37.000 I think that that's probably less common than the hardcore carnivore people believe.
00:59:46.000 How long did you do the carnivore diet?
00:59:48.000 I generally only do it for a month in January.
00:59:52.000 January is World Carnivore Month.
00:59:53.000 So just for a goof, a couple times I've eaten nothing but meat.
00:59:57.000 Do you get the meat sweats?
00:59:59.000 Is that a real thing?
01:00:00.000 No, I get the meat explosive diarrheas though.
01:00:03.000 Dude, I had diarrhea that you could write home about.
01:00:06.000 Like you write books about the diarrhea I had.
01:00:08.000 It wasn't just diarrhea.
01:00:10.000 It was like oil was coming out, like crude, like black gold, Texas green.
01:00:16.000 I mean, I understand that there's lots of benefits to it and people swear by it, but it seems like, I don't know, I feel like it takes me a long time to digest a piece of steak.
01:00:31.000 I don't know.
01:00:32.000 For me, that didn't bother me.
01:00:34.000 I lost a lot of weight, but I didn't lose weight because I was dehydrated.
01:00:39.000 The diarrhea only lasted a couple of weeks.
01:00:41.000 But I mean, for a couple of weeks, it was touch and go.
01:00:44.000 It was like I would have a feeling in my stomach, like, oh Jesus, I could get to a toilet quick.
01:00:50.000 How did you podcast?
01:00:52.000 I have strong butt muscles.
01:00:54.000 I just keep tight.
01:00:57.000 I don't know.
01:00:58.000 I did it.
01:00:59.000 But here's the thing.
01:01:00.000 It's like when you cut out all the carbs and you cut out particularly bread and pasta, which is really for me the culprit.
01:01:08.000 Yeah.
01:01:09.000 I avoided all the crash and I never felt sleepy.
01:01:12.000 Like my energy level was completely sustained all throughout the day.
01:01:15.000 Okay.
01:01:16.000 Then when I did it after that, I added in fruit.
01:01:19.000 Okay.
01:01:20.000 And when I added in fruit, I avoided all of the diarrhea, all of the craziness.
01:01:24.000 Okay.
01:01:24.000 So I guess the fiber from the fruit.
01:01:26.000 Right.
01:01:27.000 It's just all I was eating was like ribeyes and elk meat.
01:01:31.000 Elk meat sounds good.
01:01:32.000 It's great.
01:01:34.000 Ribeyes, I don't know.
01:01:34.000 But I needed fat.
01:01:35.000 You can't just eat elk meat.
01:01:37.000 You can, I'm sure, but you need fat.
01:01:41.000 An elk is very lean.
01:01:43.000 You're basically eating a super athlete.
01:01:45.000 You're eating a super athlete that's running away from mountain lions.
01:01:48.000 They're fucking jacked.
01:01:50.000 And so when you butcher an elk, like when you're in the field and you butcher an elk, you see very little fat.
01:01:56.000 Very, very little.
01:01:57.000 Mostly what you're seeing is muscle tissue, and it's a dense, rich, dark red muscle tissue, and it's so rich in protein and vitamins, and it's so fucking healthy for you, but you need fat.
01:02:10.000 So I would use...
01:02:13.000 I would use tallow, beef tallow.
01:02:16.000 That was grass-fed beef tallow.
01:02:18.000 I would cook it in that, so I'd get some fats from that.
01:02:20.000 But I found that I started eating a lot of bacon with it, and that helped too.
01:02:25.000 So when I'm eating...
01:02:26.000 That sounds really bad for your heart.
01:02:28.000 I don't know.
01:02:29.000 That's a myth.
01:02:30.000 Is that a myth?
01:02:31.000 Yeah, that's a myth.
01:02:32.000 That's definitely a myth.
01:02:33.000 I mean, I think for some people, genetically, they're predisposed to certain heart conditions and certain cholesterol issues.
01:02:39.000 It doesn't, like, build up...
01:02:41.000 No, no, no, no, no.
01:02:43.000 No, see, this is that thing.
01:02:44.000 It's like you have this, like, sort of, like, what is it?
01:02:46.000 Is that bad for...
01:02:48.000 All the studies that point to meat being bad for your heart are what's called epidemiology studies.
01:02:54.000 And those studies where they make people fill out like a questionnaire, like how many times a week do you eat meat?
01:03:01.000 Like five days a week.
01:03:03.000 And they looked at those people and they said, oh, there's higher instances of heart disease in those people.
01:03:08.000 But what they don't cover is how many of those fucking people are eating cheeseburgers?
01:03:13.000 Right.
01:03:13.000 And how many of those people have industrial seed oils in the cheeseburger and the bun and the fries, which are cooked in industrial seed oils?
01:03:20.000 And how many of them are eating Coca-Cola, drinking Coca-Cola all day long, which is filled with fucking seed oils and corn syrup?
01:03:31.000 Like, all that shit is what's really bad for you.
01:03:34.000 Well, you know about the studies.
01:03:36.000 That were done in, I think it was the 1950s or 1960s, where the sugar industry paid scientists to lie about the source of heart disease and connected to saturated fats.
01:03:49.000 And it was really just bribery.
01:03:51.000 And they didn't pay them much.
01:03:53.000 They paid them like $50,000.
01:03:55.000 And in paying them that $50,000, see if you can find that.
01:03:59.000 Because the New York Times wrote about this.
01:04:01.000 So people have this idea that meat is bad for you.
01:04:04.000 But meat is what people have been eating since the fucking beginning of time.
01:04:09.000 Right.
01:04:09.000 I remember reading that, like, the whole idea that fat was bad for you is because of the sugar lobbies, and then they just replaced all of the fat with sugar, and then now we have an obesity epidemic, essentially.
01:04:22.000 And I do think there's part of the problem with, like, we have a problem.
01:04:27.000 I mean, even flying lately, I'm like, oh my god, every single...
01:04:32.000 The flight I've been on, they need like seven wheelchairs.
01:04:35.000 You know, it just seems more than ever before people are struggling with obesity.
01:04:42.000 And I think it's obviously been proven.
01:04:45.000 And I think a lot of it, too, is just like confusion about what they should eat.
01:04:51.000 I feel like there's so much confusion around food.
01:04:54.000 There's not really confusion.
01:04:55.000 There is confusion, but it's also like that stuff's delicious.
01:04:58.000 And it tricks your body.
01:05:00.000 Go back to the top, please.
01:05:02.000 So this is 50 years ago.
01:05:04.000 Sugar industry quietly paid scientists to point the blame at fat.
01:05:07.000 Did anybody get punished for this?
01:05:09.000 I think they're all dead.
01:05:11.000 Luckily.
01:05:12.000 But this is also part of the problem.
01:05:14.000 We have the ability for this crap to happen.
01:05:18.000 Yeah, well, it happens less and less now because of the internet, because this stuff can get out, but yeah.
01:05:23.000 The next year, after several scientific articles were published suggesting a link between sucrose and coronary heart disease, the SRF approved a literature review project and it wound up paying approximately $50,000 in today's dollars for the research.
01:05:37.000 One of the researchers was chairman of Harvard's Public Health Nutrition Department, an ad hoc member of SRF's board.
01:05:43.000 So they literally paid these scientists to conduct this bullshit study because there was all sorts of articles, scientific articles, suggesting a link between sugar and coronary heart disease.
01:05:55.000 They recommended that the industry fund its own studies, which is, then we can publish data and refute our detractors.
01:06:03.000 Someone got paid $50,000 to destroy America.
01:06:07.000 Literally kill people.
01:06:08.000 Yeah.
01:06:09.000 Literally kill people.
01:06:10.000 I mean, how many people took margarine?
01:06:12.000 Because they thought that margarine was good for you.
01:06:14.000 That's what I mean, though, about the confusion.
01:06:16.000 I think that people are eating...
01:06:18.000 I don't know what's in these Impossible Burgers and all this Beyond Meat stuff.
01:06:22.000 It's creepy to me.
01:06:24.000 What causes liver damage in rats?
01:06:25.000 What is in it?
01:06:27.000 Oh, well, we'll show you.
01:06:28.000 We'll show you what's in it.
01:06:29.000 But remember, I can't believe it's not butter?
01:06:31.000 Yeah.
01:06:31.000 Well, I can fucking believe it.
01:06:33.000 It tastes like shit.
01:06:34.000 It doesn't taste like butter.
01:06:35.000 What the fuck is wrong with you?
01:06:37.000 Have you had butter?
01:06:38.000 Butter's delicious.
01:06:39.000 I can't believe it's not butter.
01:06:41.000 I can believe it.
01:06:42.000 Someone who's never tried butter.
01:06:43.000 Did you smoke all day and have no taste buds?
01:06:45.000 What the fuck is wrong with you?
01:06:48.000 Find out that the Impossible Burger thing where they found out there was a correlation between rat liver damage.
01:06:57.000 Fucking rats.
01:06:58.000 Rats eat rats.
01:06:59.000 They eat everything.
01:06:59.000 They eat garbage.
01:07:00.000 They're fine.
01:07:01.000 Yeah.
01:07:01.000 They eat an Impossible Burger.
01:07:03.000 They're going to the fucking hospital ward.
01:07:06.000 That's not good.
01:07:07.000 No.
01:07:07.000 Here it is.
01:07:08.000 Rat feeding studies suggest the Impossible Burger may not be safe to eat.
01:07:12.000 Oh my god.
01:07:13.000 Yeah.
01:07:14.000 Because it's not...
01:07:15.000 Look.
01:07:15.000 First of all...
01:07:16.000 But what is in it?
01:07:17.000 Okay.
01:07:17.000 We'll tell you what's in it.
01:07:20.000 Here it goes.
01:07:22.000 Impossible Burger is a plant-based burger.
01:07:24.000 The key ingredient, a protein called soy, Leghemoglobin, S-L-H for short, derived from genetically modified yeast.
01:07:34.000 It's already being sold in restaurants and supermarkets in the U.S. In 2019, the manufacturing company Impossible Foods applied for permission to market the burger in the EU in the U.K. Did the EU let it in?
01:07:46.000 I don't know.
01:07:47.000 They're usually pretty strict about this stuff.
01:07:49.000 Yeah.
01:08:31.000 What the?
01:08:33.000 Yeah.
01:08:34.000 Listen, if you don't like meat and you don't want to eat meat, there's plenty of plant-based protein sources.
01:08:40.000 Like pea protein is very good for you.
01:08:42.000 Hemp protein is very good for you.
01:08:44.000 You don't have to eat fake meat.
01:08:46.000 If you miss meat...
01:08:50.000 Have a burger from a cow that was a cunt.
01:08:53.000 Only cunty cows.
01:08:54.000 Cows that kick farmers and fucking stomp on their babies.
01:08:58.000 Surely there must be cows that deserve being eaten.
01:09:01.000 That's the eating bugs and the impossible meat and all of this stuff.
01:09:06.000 It just feels very strange to me.
01:09:08.000 Orwellian.
01:09:09.000 Yeah, the push for it.
01:09:11.000 It's like this unified push for it that feels...
01:09:14.000 The bug doesn't bother me.
01:09:16.000 Well, bugs are good protein.
01:09:17.000 Yeah, maybe because I hosted Fear Factor.
01:09:19.000 I've eaten bugs.
01:09:20.000 I've eaten bugs.
01:09:21.000 I've eaten a lot of bugs.
01:09:22.000 I'm sure.
01:09:23.000 But cricket protein is actually good for you.
01:09:25.000 Yeah.
01:09:26.000 And it's an easy source of protein.
01:09:28.000 Yeah.
01:09:28.000 You know what's fucked up about that?
01:09:29.000 I've eaten cricket protein, but if I find a cricket in my house, I always save it.
01:09:33.000 Oh, okay.
01:09:34.000 There's certain bugs that if you're in my house- I save crickets.
01:09:37.000 You're dead.
01:09:38.000 There's certain bugs where you don't live if you're a roach.
01:09:40.000 If you're a roach, I'm gonna fuck you up.
01:09:42.000 Do they have a lot of protein?
01:09:43.000 I don't know.
01:09:44.000 I've eaten them.
01:09:45.000 I ate a roach.
01:09:46.000 I went to this thing in New Zealand, and it was like this...
01:09:50.000 I forget even what it was called.
01:09:52.000 It's one of those things where you eat all kinds...
01:09:54.000 I ate a grub.
01:09:55.000 They took it out of the wood, and I ate it.
01:09:59.000 It's kind of flavorless, right?
01:10:00.000 Yeah, but it's just that moving around in your mouth.
01:10:03.000 And they had all kinds of weird things to eat, and it was just a New Zealand thing.
01:10:08.000 And one of the things was horse semen.
01:10:11.000 And I drank horse semen.
01:10:14.000 You're giving shots of it, like little shots of it.
01:10:17.000 I don't think that's bugs.
01:10:17.000 I think they lied to you.
01:10:18.000 I don't think that has anything to do with bugs, Bridget.
01:10:21.000 I know.
01:10:22.000 I was still drinking back then.
01:10:24.000 And I was pretty drunk.
01:10:26.000 I went to a resort in Mexico.
01:10:29.000 And they had these little...
01:10:32.000 Crickets are grasshoppers.
01:10:34.000 I forget now.
01:10:36.000 I think it was crickets.
01:10:37.000 But they had stir-fried crickets in a salty sort of based teriyaki type of thing.
01:10:45.000 And they were delicious.
01:10:46.000 And they were in a bowl.
01:10:48.000 And my kids were really young at the time.
01:10:49.000 They're like, eh.
01:10:50.000 I'm like, they're not bad.
01:10:52.000 And I was eating them.
01:10:53.000 I ate them all.
01:10:54.000 They're pretty good.
01:10:55.000 And when I was in Japan, in Kyoto, we went to this like fancy dinner and they had these little, they were like minnows that were kind of, they were like french fries.
01:11:05.000 They were delicious.
01:11:06.000 But they were full little minnows with little eyes.
01:11:09.000 Well, minnows are good.
01:11:10.000 That's a smelt.
01:11:11.000 Have you ever had smelt?
01:11:13.000 In the East Coast, when I lived in Boston, my friends would go smelting.
01:11:17.000 And smelt are these tiny little fish.
01:11:19.000 You eat them whole.
01:11:21.000 I forget how they catch them, but you can't catch them with a hook.
01:11:24.000 They're just too small.
01:11:25.000 But they would get tons of them and cook them, and they were delicious.
01:11:29.000 And they're these little tiny things.
01:11:31.000 You just eat them whole.
01:11:32.000 But crickets and bugs, like we have a thing in our head about bugs, but that's what a fucking lobster is.
01:11:39.000 That's a bug.
01:11:40.000 And they're goddamn delicious.
01:11:42.000 They're delicious.
01:11:42.000 They're so good, right?
01:11:44.000 But they're essentially bugs.
01:11:47.000 Like divers, they call them bugs.
01:11:49.000 Yeah.
01:11:49.000 Like we're diving for bugs.
01:11:52.000 Yeah, it's not really the bug thing that weirds me out.
01:11:58.000 It's the unified push for everyone to eat bugs that weirds me out.
01:12:04.000 I'm like, you're not going to make me eat freaking bugs and live in a pod!
01:12:09.000 I know what you're saying.
01:12:10.000 Yeah, it's that, you know, you will have nothing and you'll be happy.
01:12:13.000 Yeah, like Great Reset or whatever.
01:12:16.000 I'm like, why do I feel like I'm going to be on the shit end of this reset?
01:12:19.000 Well, you 100% will.
01:12:21.000 They'll be on a yacht eating caviar and foie gras, and you'll be eating bugs in a hobble somewhere.
01:12:26.000 Yeah, some little freaking pod.
01:12:28.000 Cockroach milk is protein-rich, crystallized substance produced by a specific type of cockroach called diploptera punctata.
01:12:40.000 This species is unique because it gives birth to live offspring.
01:12:44.000 Members make milk in the form of protein crystals to serve as food for the developing young.
01:12:50.000 Yeah, I'm not opposed to eating bugs because there's a thing amongst, like, hunters and conservationists where they harvest cicadas.
01:12:59.000 And when they have, like, those big cicada hatches, people harvest them and they bake them.
01:13:05.000 And, like, my friend Ryan Callahan posted on...
01:13:08.000 He has a podcast.
01:13:10.000 What is this podcast called?
01:13:13.000 Cal's...
01:13:14.000 Let me fucking find his podcast.
01:13:18.000 Cal's Week in Review, and it's a great podcast.
01:13:20.000 It's all about different things that have to do with nature and conservation and stuff like that.
01:13:25.000 But cicadas are delicious.
01:13:27.000 They have more than 100 grams per pound, according to Inverse.
01:13:31.000 Of course, you might find it more palatable to eat a big steak.
01:13:34.000 But they know how to cook them, and when they cook them, like Ryan said, they're really good.
01:13:40.000 You just have to know how to prepare them and harvest them.
01:13:44.000 But isn't there a bug apocalypse?
01:13:46.000 Have you read about this?
01:13:47.000 This is a rabbit hole I've been going down.
01:13:49.000 The bug apocalypse.
01:13:51.000 Google the bug apocalypse, please, Jamie.
01:13:55.000 Oh, there's so many apocalypses.
01:13:57.000 There's so many apocalypses.
01:13:59.000 I mean, that's...
01:14:00.000 Insect apocalypse.
01:14:01.000 A growing body of scientific evidence shows that bugs worldwide are decreasing in abundance and diversity.
01:14:06.000 No, this is a rabbit hole.
01:14:08.000 Wow.
01:14:09.000 Scientists estimate that 40% of known species are declining and hypothesize that losses could trigger large-scale ecological collapse.
01:14:17.000 This is a huge problem, but this is why I'm like, why are we pushing bugs?
01:14:20.000 I thought there was a bug apocalypse.
01:14:22.000 It's just not getting as much attention as the other apocalypse-i.
01:14:26.000 Well, when they're pushing bugs, they're pushing harvesting bugs and, you know, raising them for consumption.
01:14:33.000 Yeah.
01:14:34.000 But they could do that pretty easily.
01:14:35.000 That's the reason why they want to do that.
01:14:37.000 It's because, like, resource-wise, it's a fairly—it's an easier thing to—like, you don't need as much land to make— I know, I know.
01:14:47.000 I've interviewed a lot of the bug people.
01:14:50.000 Have you?
01:14:50.000 Yeah.
01:14:50.000 Who have you interviewed that's interesting?
01:14:52.000 There's this one, I have to remember a name.
01:14:54.000 I did this thing where I interviewed, I swear, it was like 20 people every five minutes I interviewed a different person.
01:15:01.000 And one of the women was someone who's building the technology to have these bug pods in your house so you can eat the bugs.
01:15:09.000 And I have to, I can look it up.
01:15:12.000 What did you do every 20 minutes?
01:15:14.000 It was speeding.
01:15:16.000 No, it felt like that.
01:15:21.000 Mom brain is real.
01:15:24.000 It's a real thing.
01:15:25.000 You need some alpha brain.
01:15:26.000 Want some of that?
01:15:27.000 Can I take it?
01:15:28.000 I'm breastfeeding.
01:15:29.000 I don't want to be responsible for your kid becoming a super genius.
01:15:34.000 But AlphaBrain is a nootropic that my company Onnit makes.
01:15:37.000 And I'm not saying this because it's my company, because it's nootropics and it's the reason why we started Onnit.
01:15:43.000 When Aubrey and I started Onnit 10, 11 years ago, whatever it was, The reason why we started it was because I got fascinated with nootropics.
01:15:51.000 And I got into, there's a thing called Neuro One that Bill Romanowski, the football player, developed because he was having problems with CTE and memory loss.
01:16:00.000 And so there's certain nootropics, which are nutrients that are the building blocks for human neurotransmitters.
01:16:07.000 And you can take those and they can enhance memory.
01:16:09.000 And it was very controversial.
01:16:11.000 A lot of people called bullshit and snake oil, but we funded two double-blind, placebo-controlled studies with the Boston Center for Memory that showed an increase in verbal memory, increase in your reaction times, and essentially it helps your ability to form sentences.
01:16:28.000 When I do the UFC, Which is like the time where it's the most memory intensive for me.
01:16:34.000 Because I have to recall techniques and moves and when it happened.
01:16:38.000 I always take alpha brain.
01:16:40.000 Right.
01:16:40.000 Every time I have to talk to a scientist, I take this shit.
01:16:43.000 I was wondering how you'd talk to these guys.
01:16:45.000 But I was reading about mom brain and they're starting to really study it and you lose gray matter.
01:16:52.000 It's crazy.
01:16:53.000 The resources that the baby needs, you're making a fucking human.
01:16:57.000 But they also think it's because their theory is that it's so you can have more attention for the baby.
01:17:04.000 So your attention just goes not as many other places and more resources are given so you can connect to the baby.
01:17:13.000 That makes sense.
01:17:13.000 Yeah.
01:17:14.000 But, I mean, I have been...
01:17:16.000 I usually am pretty...
01:17:17.000 I struggle to, like, find basic words.
01:17:19.000 I couldn't remember the word assessment on the way over here.
01:17:23.000 I do that all the time, though.
01:17:24.000 Especially when I wake up.
01:17:25.000 If you catch me...
01:17:26.000 Find out if you can take it while you breastfeed.
01:17:29.000 I will.
01:17:29.000 I'll ask Jason, the CEO. What studies have done on that.
01:17:32.000 But not just this stuff, but there's also stuff called NeuroGum that I don't have any association with other than I purchased it.
01:17:38.000 In NeuroGum, we have boxes of it over there.
01:17:40.000 I chew that shit all the time.
01:17:41.000 Yeah.
01:17:41.000 And that has, it also has nootropics in it and a little bit of caffeine.
01:17:45.000 You gave me some of that actually once when I was here and I used it all the time.
01:17:50.000 I love that stuff actually.
01:17:51.000 It's amazing.
01:17:51.000 It really did help me feel like on it and sharp.
01:17:54.000 Yeah, it's real.
01:17:55.000 Yeah.
01:17:56.000 Yeah.
01:17:56.000 I was like, what is in this?
01:17:58.000 Nootropics, it's real science.
01:18:00.000 It's not horseshit or snake oil or placebos.
01:18:03.000 It's real.
01:18:04.000 And again, there's many different versions of it.
01:18:08.000 This is my favorite, Alpha Brain Black Label.
01:18:10.000 This stuff is the shit.
01:18:12.000 It's the best of anyone that I've ever tried.
01:18:13.000 But I do really like Neuro One.
01:18:16.000 Neuro One I like too because it's powder.
01:18:19.000 You scoop it.
01:18:19.000 I put it in a jug and I shake it in water.
01:18:23.000 Tastes good.
01:18:24.000 I love the gum.
01:18:25.000 And there's a bunch of other ones that are available, too, that different companies sell, and they have different effects.
01:18:31.000 But all of them are designed to enhance memory.
01:18:35.000 I need it right now.
01:18:36.000 Yeah, keep the mind sharp.
01:18:38.000 It makes sense, right?
01:18:40.000 There's neurotransmitters.
01:18:41.000 There's building blocks for those neurotransmitters.
01:18:44.000 We know that 5-HTP helps you produce serotonin, and there's all these different things.
01:18:48.000 That can enhance the function of the brain.
01:18:51.000 Right.
01:18:51.000 And for me, that's all I have.
01:18:54.000 I'm a dumb dude, but I have a good memory.
01:18:56.000 But one of the reasons why I have a good memory is because I use it a lot.
01:18:59.000 You do have a good memory.
01:18:59.000 It's pretty good.
01:19:00.000 It's good most of the time.
01:19:02.000 Especially considering how much weed you smoke.
01:19:04.000 Yeah.
01:19:05.000 This month is not any better.
01:19:07.000 My brain's not any better.
01:19:09.000 I don't think the weed fucks.
01:19:11.000 The weed fucks with my short-term memory for sure.
01:19:14.000 When I quit smoking weed at first, my brain was fried.
01:19:17.000 And I was like, oh, I don't think weed affects you at all.
01:19:20.000 And then I was waiting tables, which requires a lot of memory.
01:19:24.000 And suddenly I was remembering everyone's name.
01:19:27.000 It was like my brain came back online, but it took like three months.
01:19:30.000 It wasn't like after 30 days.
01:19:33.000 I think weed takes a while to get out of your system.
01:19:37.000 You know what definitely happens when you stop smoking weed?
01:19:40.000 Is you dream.
01:19:41.000 Yeah.
01:19:42.000 My dreams are amazing.
01:19:43.000 My dreams, the moment I stopped smoking weed this month, like within a couple of days, I started having wild dreams.
01:19:50.000 And they're all like very violent.
01:19:52.000 They're all like wolves chasing you and shit, falling off cliffs, and it's like war.
01:19:58.000 I have war dreams.
01:20:00.000 Everybody's talking about Civil War, though.
01:20:02.000 Yeah.
01:20:03.000 That's just like in the zeitgeist.
01:20:05.000 And I'm always like, America's too fat for a Civil War.
01:20:07.000 I don't have Civil War dreams.
01:20:08.000 I have war dreams.
01:20:09.000 Like big war dreams?
01:20:10.000 Yeah, like hiding in apartment buildings and seeing soldiers enter into the building and trying to figure out how to get out.
01:20:16.000 I've had a recurring dream for years.
01:20:18.000 I've talked about this.
01:20:20.000 Maybe not here.
01:20:21.000 But I've had it for years.
01:20:23.000 And I'm in New York City...
01:20:26.000 And then there's, like, this gas that starts coming up through the manholes.
01:20:29.000 And I'm like, they're gassing us!
01:20:31.000 And then everybody gets, like, paralyzed.
01:20:33.000 And we're all just staring at each other.
01:20:34.000 And we're conscious, but we can't move.
01:20:36.000 And it's the Chinese.
01:20:38.000 And the Chinese are occupying the United States.
01:20:42.000 And they're, like, somehow I end up getting free of my paralyzation.
01:20:47.000 And then I'm running through the woods in Connecticut, which I used to live in Connecticut.
01:20:52.000 So...
01:20:53.000 It's very familiar, the woods there, all the way to Rhode Island.
01:20:57.000 And then I get to my grandmother's house, and we stage a defense against the Chinese soldiers who are coming and we're hiding.
01:21:04.000 And then I wake up when they knock on the door of the attic.
01:21:08.000 I've had this dream like four times, four or five, recently.
01:21:13.000 But I've been having it for years.
01:21:16.000 And it's always the same.
01:21:18.000 I'm in my grandma's house, and then they're like, we're trying to hide.
01:21:22.000 How much are you worried about an actual situation like that happening?
01:21:25.000 I mean, I don't know.
01:21:26.000 Everything's so weird.
01:21:28.000 Elon took over Twitter today.
01:21:30.000 Yeah.
01:21:31.000 Like, we live in a simulation.
01:21:33.000 No, that's the best.
01:21:33.000 That crazy bastard did it.
01:21:35.000 How about when he walked into Twitter's headquarters with a sink and said, let that sink in?
01:21:40.000 A dad joke!
01:21:41.000 Yes!
01:21:42.000 That's him!
01:21:43.000 I know.
01:21:43.000 He's funny.
01:21:44.000 We have like this ongoing bet on Dumpster Fire that he's my nemesis and it started because of my husband who we were doing one of these dumb books someone got us that's like oh you can like connect as a couple and we were jokingly kind of ironically in our Gen X way doing it and it was like what's something you would like always want to do or something like that he was like have dinner with Elon Musk and I was like It was supposed to be something about me,
01:22:10.000 and I was like, fuck you, you're gonna have dinner with Elon, not have dinner with me?
01:22:15.000 And so it became this ongoing joke because of him being my nemesis, but it's really just- Why is he, what made him a nemesis?
01:22:22.000 A, because it's hilarious because I'm a nobody, and he's a genius.
01:22:26.000 I'm buying Twitter and sending rockets to space and trying to get to Mars, and I'm screaming in a garage on dumpster fire.
01:22:34.000 So there's that hilarious aspect.
01:22:36.000 But it's mostly just because it became this ongoing joke because my husband started joking about his being enamored with Elon Musk.
01:22:47.000 And so I was just jealous.
01:22:48.000 Yeah.
01:22:49.000 So it's just become this ongoing...
01:22:52.000 And then somebody sent us an Elon cutout for the set.
01:22:55.000 And so whenever we do an Elon is my nemesis, I'm like, my nemesis is up to...
01:23:00.000 What's he up to now?
01:23:02.000 And we bring the cutout on for the bit.
01:23:05.000 Well, we're hoping we can get our girl Megan re-established on Twitter now.
01:23:10.000 Free Megan!
01:23:10.000 Free Megan Murphy.
01:23:11.000 Free Megan.
01:23:12.000 There's so many.
01:23:13.000 Yeah.
01:23:14.000 There's so many people that need to be re-established.
01:23:16.000 I mean, James Lindsay got booted, I think.
01:23:18.000 Yes.
01:23:20.000 And somebody was like, this is like when the Joker let all the prisoners out.
01:23:26.000 Yeah, but it's not.
01:23:27.000 It's not.
01:23:28.000 Because it's not the Joker.
01:23:29.000 Well, if you see them as political prisoners, it might be.
01:23:33.000 It's...
01:23:34.000 Those are crazy paranoid people.
01:23:36.000 I know.
01:23:36.000 Also, they've been enjoying the fact that it's an ideological thought bubble.
01:23:41.000 Right.
01:23:41.000 That Twitter has only enforced left-wing ideologies and they've suppressed any conservative ideologies, even amongst reasonable, kind people that don't share the same ideology.
01:23:54.000 That's fucking bad for our society.
01:23:56.000 Yeah, it is.
01:23:56.000 It's bad.
01:23:57.000 I'm not a huge proponent of the parallel economies either.
01:24:02.000 How so?
01:24:03.000 I don't know that it's good.
01:24:06.000 What do you mean by parallel economies?
01:24:07.000 This is the term that everybody's using, particularly on the right, and it's valid.
01:24:15.000 Places like PayPal and financial institutions are saying you can't, you know, if you say this or step out of line, we're going to fine you.
01:24:23.000 There's this idea that you're going to have to create a parallel economy in order to function, essentially.
01:24:30.000 So don't give your money to...
01:24:33.000 I mean, I think The Daily Wire did it with the razors.
01:24:35.000 They had, like, Harry's razors.
01:24:37.000 Yeah, they did, and Jeremy did some razors.
01:24:39.000 So it's like, oh, don't give your money to people who hate you.
01:24:42.000 Give your money to people who...
01:24:45.000 Share your ideology.
01:24:46.000 But then you have these, you know, the silos are forming where it's like, then everyone's over here and everyone who agrees is over here and no one's forced to actually articulate their ideas or disagree with one another.
01:25:01.000 It's just everyone like smelling their own farts.
01:25:08.000 It is, though.
01:25:10.000 It is.
01:25:10.000 Yeah, that's not healthy.
01:25:12.000 No!
01:25:12.000 Well, that's what Elon wants to bring back to Twitter, is reasonable exchange of ideas.
01:25:19.000 He really thinks it's important.
01:25:21.000 It is important.
01:25:23.000 I think it's important too, but it's just rare that someone is that wealthy.
01:25:27.000 That they can do that.
01:25:27.000 That can do that.
01:25:28.000 And also he was very left-leaning for most of his life until really recently.
01:25:34.000 The pandemic in particular and the way people have sort of enforced these ideologies regardless of whether or not the science supports it.
01:25:41.000 Yeah.
01:25:41.000 And he thinks it's bad.
01:25:43.000 And I think it's true.
01:25:44.000 I think we have a real problem with discourse, particularly like discourse on Twitter, right?
01:25:49.000 Like if you post something and then someone posts something that opposes what you say, like, and then you got to like formulate it.
01:25:55.000 Like some people don't want that.
01:25:56.000 So what they would like to do is silence the people that have opposing viewpoints.
01:26:00.000 And then you get all this positive feedback from all the people that agree with you.
01:26:04.000 Like, yes, I want to amplify that because that feels good.
01:26:07.000 I did the right.
01:26:08.000 I said the right thing.
01:26:09.000 I said the right thing.
01:26:09.000 And then when someone comes in with facts or opinion, fuck you, you Nazi fascist.
01:26:13.000 And it's like, that's what people are doing now because it's a shit way to communicate.
01:26:18.000 Communicating like that, it's a good way to get out information and ideas really quickly.
01:26:22.000 But it's a bad way to exchange ideas and to dialogue about stuff.
01:26:26.000 Yeah.
01:26:28.000 The way people are supposed to really communicate is like how we're doing.
01:26:31.000 Two people looking at each other talking.
01:26:33.000 That's how we're designed.
01:26:34.000 We're not really designed to read text.
01:26:37.000 No.
01:26:38.000 How many times have people gotten in fights because there was a misunderstanding on text?
01:26:42.000 All the time.
01:26:43.000 And yet people can't...
01:26:44.000 And then there's so much projection that happens online.
01:26:46.000 It's so much of whatever your insecurities might be.
01:26:51.000 You're not getting that information like you get in real time when you're talking to somebody.
01:26:55.000 You're not seeing somebody might be getting sensitive.
01:26:59.000 You just see it in stand-up where you get that feedback in real time and you're like, we're in a dodgy part of town right now.
01:27:08.000 But you don't get that online.
01:27:10.000 There's so much projection of people's trauma and people's insecurities and wounds.
01:27:18.000 It just ends up hurting.
01:27:21.000 People are really hurting.
01:27:23.000 People are losing their minds.
01:27:25.000 I'm worried about everyone's mental health.
01:27:28.000 Well, Twitter is basically a mental health institution where the inmates are giving life advice.
01:27:34.000 You say this all the time and I love it.
01:27:37.000 It's what it is.
01:27:39.000 I read someone quote you.
01:27:41.000 It was like Twitter is a mental health institution where all the mental patients are like throwing shit at each other.
01:27:48.000 Yeah.
01:27:49.000 That's what they did.
01:27:50.000 They're throwing shit at each other.
01:27:51.000 They're trying to stick it on you.
01:27:54.000 You always say, don't read the comments.
01:27:56.000 And one comment after my last time here came through and I was laughing at it.
01:28:00.000 It was like, these two, it's like watching someone play ping pong against themselves.
01:28:08.000 I know it was meant as an insult, but I'm like, yeah, it's kind of true.
01:28:11.000 We agree a lot.
01:28:13.000 Why is that bad?
01:28:15.000 It's not bad to agree with people either.
01:28:17.000 I try very hard to look at other people's perspectives.
01:28:19.000 I really do.
01:28:20.000 And I also realize that I have a very weird situation where my voice gets amplified way above where it's just...
01:28:28.000 You're not in a garage like I am in Dumpster Fire.
01:28:31.000 What if I knew?
01:28:32.000 I mean, you've got a lot of fucking people listening.
01:28:34.000 A lot of people watch.
01:28:35.000 That's way more than most people.
01:28:37.000 Yeah.
01:28:37.000 When you have an idea and that idea resonates with people, it gets spread.
01:28:42.000 I had this discussion the other day with someone where we were talking about With ideas that people disagree with.
01:28:51.000 One of the problems is, like, if you put something out and you say something, people are listening.
01:28:57.000 They disagree, but they don't have a voice.
01:28:59.000 Like, if people are listening to us right now, no, no, no!
01:29:02.000 That's not why!
01:29:03.000 The reason why is marginalized people!
01:29:07.000 Do you see the other day where Biden said that fucking airplane seats are racist?
01:29:12.000 Did you see what he said?
01:29:13.000 No!
01:29:14.000 He's so fucking crazy.
01:29:15.000 He's doing this thing where you just say something and say, especially people of color.
01:29:21.000 You can say that and affect people, low-income people and people of color.
01:29:26.000 He likes to do that because it's like this liberal talking point that you can attach.
01:29:31.000 And if you disagree with that, you're racist or you're not sensitive to people of color.
01:29:36.000 So he was talking about airline seats and legroom.
01:29:41.000 This is how fucking dumb we've gotten.
01:29:43.000 Find that.
01:29:43.000 Find this.
01:29:44.000 Because basically, barely getting the sentence out anyway.
01:29:47.000 Biden claims hidden airline fees disproportionately affect people of color.
01:29:51.000 First of all, he's trying to say that airline seats...
01:29:57.000 Listen, folks.
01:29:58.000 These are junk fees.
01:30:00.000 They're unfair.
01:30:00.000 And they hit marginalized Americans the hardest, especially low-income folks and people of color.
01:30:07.000 First of all, and people of color.
01:30:10.000 Why?
01:30:10.000 What about rich people?
01:30:12.000 Go to the fucking first class in the airport.
01:30:14.000 This is a lot of people of color.
01:30:16.000 This is a lot of people of color kicking ass.
01:30:18.000 This is a guy who hasn't been in first class in a long time.
01:30:21.000 Yeah, he's been flying around in Air Force One for as long as he can remember.
01:30:24.000 His memory's good for three weeks.
01:30:26.000 Yeah.
01:30:27.000 What is it?
01:30:27.000 Scroll down again a little further there?
01:30:28.000 Other tweets about other stuff he said.
01:30:30.000 Poor kids are just as talented as smart and white kids.
01:30:35.000 Oh my God.
01:30:36.000 An actual Joe Biden quote.
01:30:39.000 It's weird because the midterms are right.
01:30:43.000 I've been tuning out, but I couldn't even...
01:30:46.000 The debate the other night, everybody was talking about the Fetterman-Oz debate, and I couldn't even watch it.
01:30:53.000 Everyone's like, you've got to tune in.
01:30:54.000 Do you know it's hard to find?
01:30:56.000 Really?
01:30:57.000 Yes.
01:30:57.000 I'm like, this feels...
01:30:58.000 It's being removed.
01:30:59.000 Make sure this is correct.
01:31:02.000 Because there is...
01:31:03.000 Duncan was telling me that there's a Reddit conspiracy.
01:31:06.000 It was talking about how places have taken down the debate.
01:31:09.000 So you can't actually watch it with your own eyes and...
01:31:12.000 This is a thing that's happening.
01:31:14.000 And one of the things that people are criticizing is apparently Gmail.
01:31:18.000 This is an issue that Republicans, when they're sending out emails to get people to vote and for mailing lists, their mails have gone into spam filters.
01:31:30.000 Oh, weird.
01:31:31.000 Yeah.
01:31:32.000 Here, I'll find this.
01:31:33.000 So we deal with the...
01:31:35.000 I mean, I don't know.
01:31:35.000 I hate to be, like, a conspiracy theorist, but with...
01:31:38.000 Dumpster fire on YouTube is a good example.
01:31:42.000 We were, like, doing...
01:31:43.000 Look, our views weren't huge.
01:31:45.000 We were getting, like, 30,000 to 40,000 regularly.
01:31:47.000 And then we started talking about certain issues, like Leah Thomas.
01:31:52.000 Yeah.
01:31:53.000 And suddenly our stuff just dropped off.
01:31:57.000 100%.
01:31:57.000 I know that we're not, like...
01:32:00.000 Maybe people don't like us and we lost some audience, but 40% of our audience?
01:32:05.000 No, you're 100%.
01:32:06.000 They punish you with the algorithm.
01:32:09.000 Republican Committee in US sues Google over email spam filters.
01:32:14.000 Republican National Committee accuses Gmail of discriminating against it by unfairly sending its emails to user spam folders, impacting fundraising and get-out-the-vote efforts.
01:32:26.000 You know the Gmail or G Drive, Google Drive?
01:32:30.000 If you try to put up the Kanye episode of Drink Champs, you know that they had a podcast and this was the original podcast that got Kanye in trouble.
01:32:40.000 If someone uploaded that to Google Drive and they deleted it...
01:32:45.000 What?
01:32:45.000 Yes.
01:32:46.000 Yeah, this is...
01:32:47.000 This is wild shit.
01:32:49.000 It's over...
01:32:50.000 I mean, the New York Times just had a crazy article that we covered on Dumpster Fire...
01:32:54.000 Look at this.
01:32:55.000 Oh, wow.
01:32:56.000 Google Drive has allegedly been going into people's personal storage and deleting...
01:32:59.000 Is this real?
01:33:00.000 Yes.
01:33:00.000 Kanye West's drink champs interview.
01:33:02.000 I mean, I don't know this Six Buzz TV account.
01:33:06.000 Yeah, but no, it's in a lot of places.
01:33:09.000 People have tried it.
01:33:10.000 Your file may violate Google Drive's terms of service.
01:33:13.000 Oh, wow.
01:33:13.000 Because in that conversation, he said things that they consider to be anti-Semitic.
01:33:18.000 So did you see that article that was going around and it was a big long thread on Twitter and a guy had to post he had to send his pediatrician a photo of his son's genitalia because he had a rash and a lot of time pediatricians now because of COVID will be like send me a picture let me look I can prescribe you something and Google Shut down.
01:33:44.000 He had a Gmail.
01:33:45.000 Shut down his phone.
01:33:47.000 Shut down his phone.
01:33:50.000 Shut down his Gmail.
01:33:52.000 What do you mean by shut down his phone?
01:33:54.000 They shut his phone down.
01:33:56.000 What do you mean by shut his phone down?
01:33:57.000 He couldn't use his phone.
01:33:59.000 He was unable to use his phone.
01:34:01.000 You mean he couldn't make phone calls with his Android phone?
01:34:04.000 They took all of his pictures.
01:34:06.000 A dad took photos of his naked toddler for the doctor.
01:34:09.000 Google flagged him as a criminal.
01:34:12.000 This is a wild story.
01:34:14.000 They have an automated tool to detect abusive images of children, but the system can get it wrong and the consequences are serious.
01:34:20.000 What if you shave your junk and you have a little penis and you send it to your girlfriend?
01:34:27.000 And you're just like deleted?
01:34:29.000 Yeah.
01:34:29.000 What if you just have, you know, you just unfortunately have a micropenis.
01:34:33.000 They're so big.
01:34:33.000 I don't know how you deal with, of course I don't want child pornography out there.
01:34:38.000 So I understand that they're trying to take measures because this is a problem that has now been...
01:34:45.000 Assisted by technology.
01:34:47.000 But find out about the phone thing.
01:34:49.000 Because Google that they shut down his phone.
01:34:51.000 Because I was actually very interested in this new Pixel.
01:34:53.000 This new Pixel phone.
01:34:54.000 My friend Brian Simpson has one.
01:34:56.000 And he fucking loves it.
01:34:58.000 Is that the one you can like delete stuff?
01:34:59.000 Delete images in the background?
01:35:02.000 What do you mean?
01:35:03.000 You can delete images in the background?
01:35:05.000 So if you take a picture of, like, you frolicking on the beach and there's some person in the background you don't want in it, you can just circle it and, like, it looks like make that person disappear.
01:35:14.000 You can delete things.
01:35:15.000 That's kind of cool.
01:35:16.000 Yeah.
01:35:16.000 Yeah, if there's some fucking asshole giving you the finger behind you, like, oh, you think you fucked up my picture?
01:35:22.000 But so Brian's phone, he was telling me, like, all the different, like...
01:35:28.000 It's not...
01:35:29.000 There's pros and cons to data collecting.
01:35:33.000 The pros are that when they data collect, they can find things that you're actually interested in and send those things your way, right?
01:35:40.000 He had to get a new phone.
01:35:41.000 So click on this.
01:35:43.000 Okay.
01:35:44.000 That is fucking crazy.
01:35:46.000 No, it's a crazy story.
01:35:48.000 It's crazy.
01:35:50.000 And they still won't give him all of his images back.
01:35:52.000 Not only did he lose emails, contact information for friends and former colleagues, and documentation of his son's first years of life, but his Google Fi account shut down, meaning he had to get a new phone number with another carrier.
01:36:05.000 Without access to his old phone number and email address, he couldn't get the security codes he needed to sign into other internet accounts, locking him out of much of his digital life.
01:36:15.000 It's nuts.
01:36:16.000 And I think in the story, and I'm not going to remember the order of operations, but he found out that he had been flagged for this because it automatically got sent to the police, and the police luckily determined that it was not what Google flagged it as.
01:36:34.000 Scroll back up to the top, please.
01:36:36.000 To the very top, I wanted to read when they were describing what he does.
01:36:41.000 Go back up to the very top.
01:36:42.000 The very top.
01:36:43.000 The very top of the article.
01:36:47.000 So when the photo of him, where it says who he is and what he does, is a stay-at-home dad in San Francisco.
01:36:57.000 He grabbed his Android smartphone, took photos to document the problem.
01:37:03.000 His wife grabbed her husband's phone and texted a few high-quality close-ups of her son's groin area to her iPhone so that she could upload to that.
01:37:09.000 So he has a Google phone.
01:37:11.000 The wife has an iPhone.
01:37:13.000 How are they even together?
01:37:15.000 Scroll down.
01:37:18.000 Does it say what he does as this gentleman does?
01:37:24.000 Mark had worked as a software engineer at a large technology company's automated tool for taking down video content flagged by users as problematic.
01:37:34.000 He knew such systems often have a human in the loop to ensure that the computers don't make a mistake, and he assumed his case would be cleared up as soon as it reached that person.
01:37:44.000 So yeah, two days after taking the pictures, it said he got a blooping notification noise.
01:37:52.000 His account had been disabled because of harmful content that was a severe violation of Google's policies and might be illegal.
01:37:59.000 That is crazy that they fucking shut down his phone.
01:38:02.000 But I think I might be mistaken.
01:38:04.000 I don't want to.
01:38:05.000 I've read this story so many times, but again, mom brain.
01:38:07.000 And I believe he found out about it because of that bloop.
01:38:10.000 But then the police got involved and he was cleared, but he still can't even get his stuff back.
01:38:16.000 And it's like all the pictures of his.
01:38:17.000 I just had a kid.
01:38:18.000 I'd be devastated if I lost all the images.
01:38:20.000 I'll give it back to him.
01:38:21.000 The more eggs you have in one basket, the more likely the basket is to break.
01:38:25.000 A few days after Mark filed the appeal, Google responded that it would not reinstate the account with no further explanation.
01:38:34.000 Mark didn't know it, but Google's review team had also flagged a video he made and the San Francisco Police Department had already started to investigate him.
01:38:44.000 So he actually is hoping that he can get his stuff back from the police because they have a drive.
01:38:50.000 This is the other fucked up thing.
01:38:52.000 They got a drive of everything that he had.
01:38:56.000 Every text message, every photo, every single thing his whole digital life was given to the police.
01:39:04.000 Yeah, it's fucking crazy.
01:39:16.000 Holy fuck.
01:39:23.000 Yeah, this is a wild article.
01:39:25.000 Turn me off to getting a fucking Google phone, Brian Simpson.
01:39:29.000 I mean, I'm sure Apple can do it too.
01:39:31.000 But they don't.
01:39:32.000 They don't do that.
01:39:33.000 I've never heard that.
01:39:34.000 Not yet.
01:39:35.000 I mean, yeah, no.
01:39:36.000 I think Apple's a little better with that stuff.
01:39:39.000 Yeah, that story was wild.
01:39:41.000 And again, I think they would be like, well, you have to break a few eggs or whatever that expression is in order to catch some predators.
01:39:49.000 But there needs to be a way for people to get all their stuff back if they've been cleared.
01:39:55.000 It's so crazy.
01:39:57.000 And it's chilling and terrifying how much power they actually have.
01:40:02.000 His internet searches, his location history, his messages, and any document, photo, and video he'd stored with the company.
01:40:09.000 What is this saying?
01:40:10.000 It was all given to the police department.
01:40:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:40:13.000 And contained a letter informing him that had been investigated, as well as copies of the search warrants served on Google and his internet service provider.
01:40:20.000 Isn't that crazy?
01:40:21.000 His internet search history.
01:40:23.000 Everything.
01:40:24.000 Everything.
01:40:24.000 Right.
01:40:26.000 Wow.
01:40:28.000 I determined that the incident did not meet the elements of a crime and no crime occurred.
01:40:33.000 Mr. Hillard wrote in his report the police had access to the information Google had on Mark and decided it did not constitute child abuse or expectation.
01:40:41.000 Of course it didn't.
01:40:42.000 You have to talk to Google, Mr. Hillard said, according to Mark.
01:40:45.000 Mark appealed his case to Google again, providing the police report, but to no avail.
01:40:49.000 After getting a notice two months ago that his account was being permanently deleted, Mark spoke with a lawyer about suing Google and how much it would cost.
01:40:57.000 I cited it was probably not worth the $7,000.
01:41:03.000 Wow.
01:41:04.000 Kate Klonick, a law professor at St. John's University, who's written about online content moderation, said it can be challenging to account for things that are invisible in a photo, like the behavior of the people sharing the image or the intentions of the person taking it.
01:41:17.000 False positives, where people are erroneously flagged, are inevitable, given the billions of images being scanned.
01:41:24.000 While most people would probably consider that trade-off worthwhile, given the benefit of identifying abused children, Ms. Klonick said that companies need a robust process for clearing and reinstating innocent people who are mistakenly flagged.
01:41:37.000 Has this successfully saved abused children?
01:41:42.000 I believe it has.
01:41:46.000 I mean, I would hope so.
01:41:47.000 I hope so, too, because if it's only getting people in trouble...
01:41:50.000 What are the other options other than, like, Google Photos?
01:41:53.000 If you have, say, an Android phone, what are the options other than...
01:41:57.000 I don't know.
01:41:58.000 If Google Photos is, like, checking for child porn on all your photos, is Apple doing that, too?
01:42:05.000 That's a good question.
01:42:06.000 Find out if Apple does something similar.
01:42:08.000 I'm sure they have to.
01:42:09.000 They have to, probably, right?
01:42:11.000 That's the thing.
01:42:12.000 These companies all have so much...
01:42:14.000 Did they know they were going to have this much power?
01:42:17.000 Or is it something that they just didn't account for?
01:42:21.000 Apple will scan U.S. iPhones for image of child sexual abuse.
01:42:25.000 This is from August of 2021. Yeah.
01:42:27.000 But then what I wonder is how can they just send all of your information?
01:42:32.000 Right, that has nothing to do with that.
01:42:33.000 How is that not a violation of your rights?
01:42:35.000 It should be, and he probably does have a case.
01:42:38.000 I hope people are reaching out to him because, you know, if it's not worth $7,000 to him, maybe someone will take it on pro bono because that's a fucked up situation for that guy.
01:42:48.000 And look, especially people that are hearing this, this is going to steer people away from using an Android phone.
01:42:54.000 Apple holds off on plans to scan for child porn.
01:42:57.000 Yeah, I remember Apple had been going back and forth on it.
01:43:02.000 I didn't know where they landed on it.
01:43:04.000 This is in December of 2021. Apple has implemented two new child safety features.
01:43:08.000 However, the most controversial one is missing.
01:43:11.000 So that's the one where they scan off phone.
01:43:13.000 Well, they probably reasonably assume that some people do take photos of their kids when they're naked.
01:43:18.000 So one of the videos, when they said there was another video that was flagged, he said it was a video he probably took of his wife breastfeeding his son, and she was probably topless.
01:43:31.000 You can't take topless photos, though.
01:43:33.000 That is fucking bananas.
01:43:34.000 That doesn't make any sense.
01:43:35.000 I don't know.
01:43:36.000 If it's just breastfeeding?
01:43:37.000 He's like, that's all I can think of, is it was probably just an intimate moment where my wife was lying in bed with my son, and I wanted to capture it.
01:43:44.000 I mean, that's like...
01:43:47.000 How the fuck...
01:43:48.000 I get that they have a big net, right?
01:43:52.000 I get it.
01:43:53.000 Google flagged parents' photos of sick children as sexual abuse.
01:43:56.000 In at least two cases, Google has shut down accounts over pictures of kids containing nudity requested by pediatricians for diagnosing illnesses.
01:44:07.000 Yeah, that's a good question though, Jamie.
01:44:09.000 I would like to know how successful this is.
01:44:15.000 I'm all for catching predators and pedophiles.
01:44:18.000 But you have to have someone who would clearly look at that and go, oh, I see.
01:44:23.000 Your kid has an issue.
01:44:24.000 You sent a photo to a pediatrician.
01:44:26.000 The pediatrician checks out.
01:44:28.000 We looked at the rest of your account.
01:44:30.000 Okay, you're good.
01:44:32.000 Even that fucks you up because then they get to look at all your photos.
01:44:35.000 I know.
01:44:36.000 What if some of them are your cat and you're sending them to your wife?
01:44:39.000 Are you an abuser?
01:44:42.000 Are you a bad person?
01:44:43.000 No, but that's what I don't understand is how they're able to just send the drive with everything.
01:44:50.000 No, it's fucked.
01:44:51.000 How that is somehow, it seems like it should be a violation of search and seizure.
01:44:57.000 I don't know.
01:44:58.000 I'm not a genius here.
01:44:59.000 This is the argument for platforms like Signal, where Signal is a messaging platform where it's encrypted.
01:45:09.000 It's a CIA honeypot.
01:45:10.000 I think that's WhatsApp.
01:45:13.000 They have to be.
01:45:14.000 They have to have something like that.
01:45:16.000 Look, I'm not under the illusion.
01:45:19.000 You know, I had Gavin DeBecker on, who is a security expert, who explained to me that the original Pegasus that was invented by, I think it was the Mossad, the Israeli government, or someone in the...
01:45:31.000 We invented this original way of scanning your phone.
01:45:37.000 So what it would be, this is how Jeff Bezos, like the Saudis, got a hold of...
01:45:43.000 He was doing something with them and they sent him...
01:45:46.000 Yeah, eventually.
01:45:48.000 But they sent him a WhatsApp link.
01:45:50.000 He clicks on the WhatsApp link and it uploads this Pegasus program to his phone.
01:45:55.000 And then because of that, they got access to all of his stuff.
01:45:59.000 And I think the story goes, I don't want to fuck this up, but I think the story goes that Jeff Bezos' bombshell girlfriend, her brother is kind of a scumbag.
01:46:11.000 And Bezos is now suing the brother.
01:46:14.000 Make sure that's true.
01:46:15.000 Because the brother got access to those things because of this, and then he sold them to tabloids.
01:46:23.000 How did the brother get access to it?
01:46:25.000 I don't know.
01:46:26.000 Maybe the sister just left the phone laying around.
01:46:28.000 I don't know what happened, but that's how all this is kind of connected to this thing called Pegasus.
01:46:34.000 And what Pegasus is is a spyware that allows people to look in your phone.
01:46:37.000 That's Pegasus 1. He said Pegasus 2, the newest, best version, all they need is your phone number.
01:46:43.000 Whoa.
01:46:44.000 So everything you say online, everything you say to your friends, everything you say is capable of being monitored.
01:46:51.000 There literally are no secrets anymore.
01:46:53.000 The best thing about something like Signal is Signal has an auto-delete function.
01:46:59.000 So you could say, I send you a message, so go fuck yourself, Bridget, and that message goes away in five minutes if I decide to do it that way.
01:47:06.000 Right.
01:47:07.000 I mean, but people can still screenshot, right?
01:47:09.000 They can screenshot it.
01:47:10.000 Yeah.
01:47:10.000 But it doesn't have, like, you don't have a digital record of it the way you have with, like, text messages or iMessages.
01:47:16.000 But I'm sure they could go back and find it, right?
01:47:18.000 I'm sure, but I think the thing is with this Pegasus thing is they have access to your phone.
01:47:25.000 Yeah.
01:47:25.000 Like, not just every email you send, every search, wherever you're going with maps.
01:47:32.000 Yeah.
01:47:32.000 You know, every time you go to a location, like, your phone knows where home is.
01:47:37.000 You ever notice that?
01:47:38.000 Yeah.
01:47:38.000 Like, oh, do you want to go home?
01:47:40.000 Like, how do you know where I live, bitch?
01:47:41.000 I didn't tell you.
01:47:42.000 It just knows that's where you go every night.
01:47:44.000 Yeah, I mean, that was why I was laughing when everybody was like, oh, the tracking devices.
01:47:49.000 And there were all those memes going around.
01:47:51.000 It's like, they don't need a tracking device in the vaccines.
01:47:55.000 Like, you have a phone.
01:47:57.000 Yeah.
01:47:57.000 Well, that is just, they thought there was magnets in there and all sorts of wild shit.
01:48:02.000 Yeah.
01:48:03.000 Go on.
01:48:04.000 No.
01:48:06.000 It's the weird trade-off of this digital life that we live.
01:48:09.000 Yeah.
01:48:10.000 Yeah, it's very...
01:48:12.000 I wonder, too, if that's why the younger generation doesn't have the same...
01:48:16.000 They're like, what's privacy?
01:48:17.000 Oh, they don't give a fuck.
01:48:19.000 They don't...
01:48:19.000 Yeah, they don't...
01:48:20.000 They know that it doesn't really exist.
01:48:22.000 My friend Cameron Haynes, his son is on the TikTok and he's addicted to TikTok.
01:48:26.000 And I was explaining to them about the privacy violations and all this shit.
01:48:30.000 And he's like, yeah, but TikTok's awesome.
01:48:32.000 I'm not deleting it.
01:48:33.000 He was laughing.
01:48:34.000 But he also doesn't have anything to hide in his mind.
01:48:37.000 Right.
01:48:37.000 He's 25 and doesn't give a fuck.
01:48:40.000 Right.
01:48:40.000 Yeah, but you don't have anything to hide.
01:48:42.000 But that's like, well, if you don't have anything to hide, why are you afraid they're going to search your house?
01:48:47.000 You don't have anything to hide until suddenly something is...
01:48:52.000 Like, all the rules change so quickly now.
01:48:55.000 What is allowed and what isn't allowed.
01:48:57.000 And it does seem...
01:48:58.000 There is a very...
01:49:00.000 I don't know.
01:49:00.000 I feel more optimistic lately.
01:49:02.000 Because I do think people...
01:49:05.000 I saw a lot of people move with their feet during the pandemic.
01:49:09.000 Did you see the New York City is reinstating...
01:49:12.000 A story that's getting zero press, by the way.
01:49:15.000 Yeah, say that story.
01:49:17.000 Tell her about the story.
01:49:18.000 The New York, I think New York City's being forced to reinstate all the, was it the city employees?
01:49:26.000 Yes.
01:49:26.000 Who were fired for refusing to take the vaccine.
01:49:29.000 Yeah, and with back pay.
01:49:30.000 With back pay.
01:49:31.000 They have to pay them back pay.
01:49:32.000 So all the cops that got fired, all the frontline workers, which is great.
01:49:37.000 Which is great!
01:49:38.000 And the thing they said is it doesn't prevent transmission and it doesn't prevent infection, which is true.
01:49:43.000 And this is a thing that people were worried about from the very beginning.
01:49:46.000 Remember when they were saying that?
01:49:47.000 Breakthrough and very rare breakthrough infections.
01:49:50.000 Breakthrough infections.
01:49:51.000 It's all horseshit.
01:49:52.000 And then did you see where the Pfizer, that woman from Pfizer in the EU, she was testifying and she had to say that they never tested it?
01:50:01.000 Oh yeah, I saw that.
01:50:03.000 They never tested it to see if it prevented infections.
01:50:07.000 Yeah.
01:50:07.000 They had no data and they were just saying it openly.
01:50:10.000 The vaccine prevents infection.
01:50:13.000 They had no data that showed that.
01:50:15.000 The New York, that made me optimistic seeing that because it is such garbage.
01:50:22.000 Like the Djokovic couldn't come in and play tennis?
01:50:24.000 Right.
01:50:24.000 How?
01:50:25.000 You know people are still getting this when they're vaccinated.
01:50:28.000 Not only that, he's had COVID twice.
01:50:30.000 This is nonsensical.
01:50:31.000 It doesn't even...
01:50:32.000 I don't even care how many times he's had COVID. This is just bullshit at this point because we know this and I don't know this like allergy to science that has taken...
01:50:43.000 It's not an allergy to science.
01:50:44.000 It's an allergy to people that oppose a specific ideology.
01:50:47.000 Like that's what I say about masks.
01:50:49.000 Like masks...
01:50:50.000 I don't even think these people think masks prevent COVID. It's a way of letting people know that you're a leftist.
01:50:56.000 Like masks are the Democrats' MAGA hat.
01:51:01.000 That's what it is.
01:51:02.000 It's letting people know I'm keeping everyone safe.
01:51:05.000 I've had my 18 boosters and I still wear a mask.
01:51:08.000 I mean, you want to talk about privilege though.
01:51:10.000 This is people who are allowed to stay home in their bubble and never leave who are saying this stuff because if you were just like a working class person, you were working through the whole pandemic.
01:51:21.000 When we went to see Roger Waters, we all had to wear masks.
01:51:25.000 When we went backstage, we all had to wear masks.
01:51:27.000 Everyone had masks on.
01:51:28.000 Everyone.
01:51:29.000 And I asked one of the guys working there, I go, what is this?
01:51:31.000 Because it's wild.
01:51:32.000 I've never seen this before.
01:51:34.000 Not recently.
01:51:34.000 And he said, it is everyone's way of letting everyone know that they're leftists.
01:51:39.000 This is a guy who worked there.
01:51:41.000 He goes, this is what it is.
01:51:43.000 And so me and Tony, I went with Hinchcliffe.
01:51:46.000 I was like, put your mask on, Tony.
01:51:48.000 Put your mask on.
01:51:49.000 I put my mask on.
01:51:50.000 I go, you should have a fucking mask on.
01:51:52.000 Did you have the option to not wear it?
01:51:54.000 No, you had to wear it.
01:51:55.000 Oh, weird.
01:51:55.000 You had to wear it.
01:51:56.000 Well, we were hanging around with Roger.
01:51:57.000 The idea was that Roger can't afford to get sick because Roger's older.
01:52:01.000 But meanwhile, I was getting drunk with Roger afterwards.
01:52:04.000 I wasn't getting drunk because it's Sober October.
01:52:06.000 But Roger's doing shots of tequila.
01:52:08.000 We're all hanging out.
01:52:09.000 There's photos of us all maskless hanging out with Roger after the concert.
01:52:14.000 Right.
01:52:14.000 We're all sitting around the table.
01:52:15.000 There's Ari and Tony and Duncan.
01:52:17.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:52:17.000 I saw that.
01:52:18.000 And we're having a great time just chit-chatting, having a blast.
01:52:21.000 But meanwhile, fucking 20 minutes ago, we had to wear a mask.
01:52:24.000 Yeah.
01:52:24.000 It's wild!
01:52:26.000 It's...
01:52:27.000 I don't...
01:52:27.000 It doesn't make any sense.
01:52:28.000 Nope.
01:52:29.000 Nope.
01:52:29.000 And all through, I think, like, all of this...
01:52:32.000 Another thing that makes me optimistic is suddenly CNN the other day was like, how come we're not talking about the children who suffered during the pandemic?
01:52:42.000 It's like, no shit!
01:52:43.000 We were screaming about this during the pandemic.
01:52:46.000 I was like...
01:52:47.000 This was one of the things that, like, broke me.
01:52:50.000 Yeah.
01:52:50.000 Just made my blood boil.
01:52:52.000 The people who suffered the most were the people that they said they cared about.
01:52:58.000 You think that these...
01:53:00.000 Who's going to suffer when the parks are closed?
01:53:03.000 Who's going to suffer when...
01:53:05.000 It's the kids who can't log in.
01:53:07.000 It's the kids who live in places where they need public parks, not kids with backyards and a device.
01:53:13.000 How about the fucking developmental issues?
01:53:16.000 Oh, man.
01:53:17.000 That's the real one.
01:53:18.000 Oh, my...
01:53:19.000 Friends and family who work in childcare are like, everybody's behind.
01:53:23.000 Yeah, the kids are all behind in learning how to talk.
01:53:26.000 Yeah.
01:53:27.000 Yep.
01:53:27.000 Learning how to read people's facial expressions.
01:53:31.000 I know.
01:53:31.000 It's a key developmental period of these children's lives.
01:53:35.000 So children that were like two and one and three years old, like little kids that are learning from people's expressions and how they talk, now all of a sudden everyone's got like a block over that.
01:53:46.000 And so it stunts their development.
01:53:48.000 But this is what makes me so mad at progressives and people who are saying, like, we need to, like, shut the schools.
01:53:53.000 And in L.A., I think we had maybe the longest shutdowns.
01:53:57.000 And they're like, that's just them protecting everybody else.
01:54:00.000 But these kids are behind.
01:54:02.000 And there's already they do lots of studies about, like, Like marginalized communities and the summer gap because a lot of kids fall behind over the summer.
01:54:12.000 And this was like a very extended two year summer gap for a lot of the people that allegedly all of these people, you know, care about.
01:54:21.000 But I'm like, if you cared, you would you would have these kids back in school.
01:54:26.000 They don't get that sick.
01:54:27.000 Well, they didn't adjust, right?
01:54:29.000 When they learned that it wasn't scary for everybody, that the real people that were being affected by this in a dangerous way were old people and overweight people and people with compromised immune systems.
01:54:39.000 They didn't adjust for that.
01:54:41.000 And we knew they didn't adjust for that.
01:54:43.000 And they were just telling you, you have to do what we say.
01:54:46.000 And that's where it got baddening for people.
01:54:48.000 Yeah.
01:54:48.000 Where they're like, what are you talking about?
01:54:50.000 Especially people that had COVID and got over it.
01:54:52.000 They're like, hey, What are you saying?
01:54:55.000 Because I had it.
01:54:56.000 I know what it is.
01:54:57.000 And if you're healthy and if you take care of yourself, it's not as bad as if you're not healthy and not taking care of yourself, but you're not saying that.
01:55:05.000 So you're not providing all the data.
01:55:08.000 All you're doing is acting as propagandists for the pharmaceutical companies that are pushing this one binary solution.
01:55:14.000 You have to do this.
01:55:15.000 There's people telling me after I survived from COVID, survived.
01:55:19.000 I'm a COVID survivor?
01:55:21.000 After I was sick for a day.
01:55:23.000 After I was sick, people were telling me you should get vaccinated now.
01:55:25.000 I'm like, what are you talking about?
01:55:27.000 What the fuck are you saying?
01:55:28.000 That's what getting sick is.
01:55:29.000 Sanjay Gupta was saying this to me.
01:55:31.000 When I had Sanjay Gupta on, I was like, you know that getting over the disease provides a better protection.
01:55:39.000 Seven times better.
01:55:41.000 This is science.
01:55:42.000 So what are you saying?
01:55:43.000 Well, it's even more protection if you get vaccinated.
01:55:47.000 Even more.
01:55:48.000 Even more.
01:55:49.000 No.
01:55:50.000 So what, I get over it in six hours instead of 24?
01:55:53.000 Like, what the fuck are you saying?
01:55:54.000 And it's not protecting other people.
01:55:57.000 It's not.
01:55:58.000 It's not protecting people from transmission.
01:56:00.000 It's not protecting people from infection.
01:56:02.000 And selling that idea to people is dangerous.
01:56:04.000 Because now you have people thinking, I got the vaccine and I'm not going to spread it.
01:56:08.000 And they're spreading it!
01:56:09.000 Yes.
01:56:10.000 And they thought they were doing the right thing.
01:56:12.000 So they think everybody should do the thing that they did, which makes sense.
01:56:16.000 It's logical.
01:56:17.000 It's logical that if you think you did the right thing and you went and got vaccinated, you're mad that other people didn't.
01:56:22.000 But then once you've gotten all the data and as time goes on, we're going to get even more data, more and more and more over time.
01:56:29.000 And we're going to recognize what these fucking problems really are.
01:56:33.000 You've got to adjust to the new data.
01:56:35.000 And people don't want to do that because they had these initial positions they took, they dug their heels into the sand, and they pointed fingers at everybody who didn't do what they were supposed to do, and they didn't take into consideration that throughout history, pharmaceutical companies have been full of shit.
01:56:51.000 We all know this.
01:56:52.000 We all know this.
01:56:53.000 And I don't want to shit on, like, I do want to shit on them, but they've done a lot of good things.
01:56:58.000 Sure.
01:56:59.000 You know, there's a lot of medicines.
01:57:00.000 A lot of great medicine.
01:57:01.000 There's a lot of great technology.
01:57:02.000 People's lives have been saved.
01:57:04.000 But this is a, this, we don't trust them.
01:57:07.000 We shouldn't.
01:57:08.000 They're corporations that are only trying to make money.
01:57:11.000 That, all that stuff too that came out about like the serotonin and antidepressants and how there was like no real link between.
01:57:18.000 No real evidence that it's a chemical imbalance.
01:57:21.000 None.
01:57:22.000 Like the thing they've sold us on antidepressants for for decades?
01:57:26.000 Decades.
01:57:27.000 Decades.
01:57:28.000 And everyone's like...
01:57:29.000 You're chemically imbalanced.
01:57:30.000 Actually, there's no evidence you're chemically imbalanced.
01:57:36.000 Yeah.
01:57:37.000 Yeah.
01:57:42.000 Yeah.
01:57:43.000 Yeah.
01:57:43.000 Yeah.
01:57:54.000 That was pretty recent.
01:57:55.000 And saying like, oh, science is not actually backing up that this is the correct way to deal with gender dysphoria in minors in particular.
01:58:05.000 Well, they're also faced with the real consequences of taking these hormone blockers.
01:58:11.000 They're shown all these health risks, all these different things that are happening to kids.
01:58:16.000 So these studies are coming out about these hormone blockers.
01:58:19.000 Because the narrative was always, you could pause it.
01:58:23.000 Pause it.
01:58:24.000 And it doesn't affect you at all.
01:58:25.000 You don't know.
01:58:27.000 First of all, this is not something...
01:58:28.000 You need long-term data on these things to really understand.
01:58:31.000 Your brain is insane when you're going through puberty.
01:58:34.000 And you're going to just stop that or add testosterone or something.
01:58:40.000 Can you just fucking chill out?
01:58:42.000 Can you just wait until...
01:58:45.000 Well it's also like why do you need if someone is they feel like they're in the wrong gender they feel like they should be a woman or they should be a man if you feel like you identify with a woman you want to identify as a woman why do you have to add stuff to your body that you don't even know what the effect is going to be if you you know I'm saying like yeah that's this you're talking about a different thing like if you identify as a woman and you you feel like you're a woman Just be a woman.
01:59:13.000 Decide you're a woman.
01:59:14.000 Okay?
01:59:14.000 I'm cool with that.
01:59:16.000 And if you want, as a grown adult, to try to take hormones to accentuate that or to give you a better feeling of what it means to be a woman, like a woman should have estrogen, I want to take estrogen, that's your right.
01:59:31.000 You should be able to do that.
01:59:32.000 But to impose that on kids when you don't necessarily know And I feel so bad for these parents because their kids are in crisis often and they're getting bad advice.
01:59:44.000 They're going to professionals and they're saying, I don't know what to do.
01:59:48.000 And they're like, well, let's just go with what the kid wants and I think we should write them a prescription.
01:59:54.000 And I know people say it's not that quick, but there's tons.
01:59:56.000 But it is that quick.
01:59:57.000 It is that quick.
01:59:58.000 I've had detransitioners on my podcast on Watkins Welcome and their stories are so important and they all say there was barely more than like one or two interviews with you know going wherever they went to get there to get started on hormone blockers or started on testosterone or whatever and even one young woman who came on She was saying that she was old enough legally to make the decision,
02:00:26.000 but she was still only 20. And I'm like, it's still...
02:00:29.000 You know, she's like, I want to take responsibility.
02:00:32.000 I made this choice.
02:00:33.000 But I'm like, you're not even...
02:00:35.000 Your prefrontal cortex isn't even developed until you're like 25. You can't know.
02:00:40.000 And like I've been saying too about...
02:00:43.000 One of the things I've been kind of radicalized about since I had a kid is...
02:00:47.000 In particular, with all of these young people who are being pushed to essentially become sterile in many, many cases when you start taking the blockers and start going down that road, it's not informed consent because you can't know until you know.
02:01:04.000 Well, you're a baby.
02:01:05.000 This is something you can't know until you know.
02:01:07.000 I didn't even know I wanted kids or thought I wanted kids until I was, like, in my 30s.
02:01:12.000 You know, in my 20s, I probably would have been like, yeah, whatever.
02:01:15.000 Yeet my teats if I was...
02:01:17.000 Yeet my teeth.
02:01:19.000 That's what they call it.
02:01:20.000 That's what they call it.
02:01:21.000 Yeah.
02:01:22.000 It's like got slang.
02:01:23.000 Well, there's also a thing that happens when you take testosterone.
02:01:26.000 You have this euphoria.
02:01:28.000 I'm sure.
02:01:28.000 It alleviates anxiety in many people.
02:01:31.000 It gives you a different feeling.
02:01:32.000 Yeah.
02:01:33.000 Testosterone's awesome.
02:01:34.000 And they decide like, oh, this is what I've been missing.
02:01:37.000 Yeah.
02:01:37.000 This is the real me.
02:01:38.000 Yeah.
02:01:39.000 But then there's no...
02:01:41.000 And they're sold a lie that you can pause and go back.
02:01:44.000 And you can't go back.
02:01:46.000 How did this happen?
02:01:47.000 I don't know.
02:01:48.000 And what I don't understand is how in Europe, where they were kind of trailblazing in a lot of this, they're looking at the science and backing off and saying, we need to put on the brakes.
02:02:01.000 Not push this on young children and pump the brakes and stop, you know...
02:02:09.000 It's like crazy, but at least they're looking at the science and saying there's not enough evidence to suggest that there's less suicide if you start the gender-affirming care model versus wait and see, which was the old model.
02:02:23.000 And now, in the United States, it feels like just...
02:02:29.000 Fucking put the foot on the accelerator and go!
02:02:33.000 Do you think that's because in the United States the pharmaceutical industry has far more influence on people and society and the way things are done?
02:02:43.000 I mean, I don't know.
02:02:44.000 I think there's definitely like a social contagion element to it.
02:02:48.000 Yeah.
02:02:48.000 So there's that.
02:02:50.000 If you have like a movement that's happening from the youth, then and it's every everywhere, even though they want to say that it's not a social contagion, which I'm like this.
02:03:00.000 How can you be a person who's like my age and say this isn't a social contagion?
02:03:05.000 I'm like.
02:03:06.000 It happens in groups of friends.
02:03:08.000 Like, one 14-year-old will identify as they, and then pretty soon, in particular among girls, then they'll all be identifying.
02:03:18.000 How can you look at that and be like, this isn't a social contagion.
02:03:21.000 This has always been like this.
02:03:22.000 No, it hasn't.
02:03:23.000 Well, if you look at the number, the uptick, the uptick is wild.
02:03:28.000 What I don't understand is how it's been so...
02:03:31.000 And I just rack my brain and I try to have good faith.
02:03:35.000 And I don't understand how it's been institutionalized.
02:03:39.000 That's what I... You know, even when I was in my, like, birthing class that I had to take online, or it didn't have to, but I took it online, and they were referring to everybody as birthing persons through the whole thing.
02:03:51.000 And I wanted to fucking scream.
02:03:54.000 Because it's like...
02:03:56.000 A, there was, as far as I could tell from the Zoom, there just seemed to be a bunch of women.
02:04:01.000 And I'm like, why can't you say women?
02:04:03.000 Even if there's one person, why can't they handle being called a woman?
02:04:07.000 Right.
02:04:08.000 Why do we have to cater to the 1.01% of the population with this language and all of the language changes?
02:04:16.000 And I think they've changed it in federal documents.
02:04:22.000 Here's a question.
02:04:23.000 I don't understand.
02:04:24.000 Here's a question.
02:04:25.000 Has this been sorted out?
02:04:27.000 You know as a person that has been pregnant and has given birth, there's a bunch of stuff you're not supposed to take while you're pregnant.
02:04:35.000 It's just like you're breastfeeding.
02:04:37.000 You said, can I take these nutrients that help your memory?
02:04:39.000 I don't know.
02:04:40.000 I don't take it.
02:04:41.000 You've got to be careful.
02:04:42.000 You've got to be careful about what skin stuff you use.
02:04:44.000 What about testosterone?
02:04:45.000 Like when you see these pregnant men.
02:04:49.000 Oh yeah, I don't know.
02:04:50.000 Are they off of it?
02:04:53.000 Are they off of it?
02:04:54.000 I don't know.
02:04:55.000 I would hope so.
02:04:57.000 I would hope so.
02:04:59.000 Google, do pregnant men take testosterone while they're pregnant.
02:05:06.000 Taking testosterone in pregnancy is not recommended.
02:05:09.000 Do not stop taking testosterone before talking with the doctor who's prescribing it for you.
02:05:16.000 If you stop taking testosterone, you'll probably start to have periods.
02:05:20.000 You may also notice changes in your body shape around your hips, chest, and thighs.
02:05:24.000 Oh, like you become a woman again?
02:05:26.000 What the fuck?
02:05:28.000 What does testosterone do to pregnant women?
02:05:30.000 Click on that.
02:05:32.000 Elevated maternal testosterone levels during human pregnancy are associated with growth restriction in utero.
02:05:38.000 Our results support animal studies which have indicated that maternal androgen levels influence, how's that word?
02:05:46.000 Intrauterine.
02:05:47.000 Intrauterine offspring, environment, and development.
02:05:52.000 Right, of course it does.
02:05:54.000 So what happens to those babies?
02:05:57.000 It sounds like it's associated with growth restriction.
02:06:02.000 There's a lot of women that push back on the idea of someone taking estrogen that's a biological male and becoming a female.
02:06:11.000 But very few men really give a shit about a trans man being called a man.
02:06:18.000 Have you noticed that?
02:06:19.000 It's not like, hey, we're fucking That's not a man.
02:06:23.000 Elliot Page is not a man.
02:06:25.000 Men don't do that.
02:06:26.000 We don't care.
02:06:27.000 You know why?
02:06:28.000 That's interesting.
02:06:28.000 Because it doesn't encroach into male spaces the way testosterone, like a biological male that decides to become a female encroaches into female spaces and tends to use male behavior,
02:06:45.000 especially in sports.
02:06:47.000 Like this male dominance of female places like Lea Thomas.
02:06:52.000 Right.
02:06:53.000 That's a classic example of a biological male dominating a female space.
02:06:57.000 But you don't see any of that.
02:06:59.000 Yeah.
02:06:59.000 So there's no threat.
02:07:00.000 So like a trans man, someone who becomes a man, they just like buck angel.
02:07:06.000 Like, hey, all right, you're a man.
02:07:07.000 Like, cool guy.
02:07:08.000 Like, I'll call you a man.
02:07:09.000 All right, bro.
02:07:09.000 You seem cool.
02:07:10.000 Yeah.
02:07:11.000 I like him.
02:07:11.000 He's cool.
02:07:12.000 I like hanging out with him.
02:07:12.000 He's amazing.
02:07:13.000 He's a great guy.
02:07:14.000 But there's no pushback.
02:07:15.000 Zero pushback.
02:07:16.000 Yeah.
02:07:16.000 Because there's no advantage.
02:07:18.000 In a sense, they don't dominate male spaces.
02:07:23.000 If there was some crazy benefit, like a female, a biological female, who takes testosterone and then decides to become a trans man and identifies as a man, but then just starts dominating male spaces, men would be like,
02:07:38.000 what the fuck?
02:07:39.000 What the fuck?
02:07:40.000 I'm a real man!
02:07:41.000 I'm a fucking mad man!
02:07:43.000 You're not a man!
02:07:45.000 Like men would get mad, but there's zero pushback.
02:07:47.000 Men don't, like Elliot Page, like there was a lot of people that were like ideologically opposed to it or didn't think it was right or thought it was a bad decision, but hey, that's on you.
02:07:57.000 No men push back against that.
02:07:59.000 Yeah, well, I understand why women would push back, though.
02:08:02.000 I mean, I've been screaming women forever, and you definitely— That's our text group.
02:08:08.000 Yeah.
02:08:08.000 That's the name of our text group.
02:08:10.000 You see it, like, and there's a reason for female spaces.
02:08:16.000 I interviewed a couple of the women from the Women's Liberation Front, and they're— They're suing some of the California corrections for allowing people to just self-identify into female prisons.
02:08:30.000 With penises and getting women pregnant.
02:08:33.000 Predators!
02:08:34.000 Yes!
02:08:35.000 People who are known predators.
02:08:38.000 Known predators have been arrested as being predators.
02:08:40.000 Yes!
02:08:40.000 Not just like, I think that guy might be fucking fishy.
02:08:43.000 Not like, oh, he stole something from a convenience store and now he wants to...
02:08:47.000 Not even like he's a player.
02:08:48.000 Like, sexual predators.
02:08:50.000 Yeah.
02:08:50.000 Being like, I'm a girl now, and then they go into a female prison.
02:08:55.000 And nobody...
02:08:56.000 Where are the women?
02:08:58.000 Where are the feminists?
02:08:59.000 I don't understand.
02:09:01.000 Where are the feminists?
02:09:02.000 Well, they're afraid of being ostracized.
02:09:04.000 They're afraid of being attacked, because it does happen.
02:09:07.000 You see it with so many of these women, like J.K. Rowling, or Megan, or fill in the blank, Abigail Schreier.
02:09:16.000 These women who come out and oppose this, they get attacked.
02:09:20.000 Yeah.
02:09:20.000 But you don't see that from men.
02:09:23.000 Like, men don't seem to care at all about trans men becoming men.
02:09:28.000 Like, okay, you're a man.
02:09:30.000 Yeah, it's definitely getting aggressive, too.
02:09:34.000 You know, the protesting, it's like trans women will show up and protest some of these feminists, and they'll get aggressive and violent.
02:09:45.000 Yes, male, like masculine, like men do.
02:09:49.000 Yeah, yeah, because they're biological males and biological males tend to approach situations in a different way.
02:09:56.000 We've seen that thing recently where I think it was at a Matt Walsh.
02:10:01.000 He was giving a speech and there was these women that were holding up these signs and this trans woman is standing in this lady's face fucking screaming at her.
02:10:11.000 Like, fuck you, bitch.
02:10:14.000 There's one of them.
02:10:14.000 One of them is my favorite.
02:10:16.000 It was after Roe v.
02:10:17.000 Wade.
02:10:18.000 There was this trans woman who was protesting Roe v.
02:10:21.000 Wade.
02:10:21.000 Keep your laws out of my pussy!
02:10:24.000 What?
02:10:25.000 Yes.
02:10:25.000 But they'll come after people like my friends who are feminists or me online if you're saying like, oh...
02:10:31.000 If you're pushing for, you know, this is important about women and women's reproductive health, and they'll be like, you know, it's not fair for you to leave us out of the conversation.
02:10:42.000 It's like, bro, I mean...
02:10:45.000 You can't reproduce.
02:10:46.000 But it's also just hijacking a whole movement and it's insane to me how quickly the conversation about all this like birthing persons the minute Roe v.
02:10:56.000 Wade stopped like oh suddenly we're using women again?
02:11:00.000 Because it matters!
02:11:01.000 Yeah, because it does matter.
02:11:03.000 It's so...
02:11:03.000 But I just...
02:11:04.000 The thing that is baffling to me and I cannot get my mind around it is just how it's been, again, captured institutionally.
02:11:12.000 Yeah.
02:11:13.000 That's all of these things I would be like, oh, we'll just outgrow this as a country, but...
02:11:18.000 It's institutionalized, so much of this.
02:11:22.000 And then you see on big tech where you get punished, maybe silently or algorithmically, is that a word?
02:11:32.000 If you're even pushing back against it or questioning it.
02:11:35.000 Well, you can't even have an opinion.
02:11:36.000 Like Megan, what she got banned from Twitter for, was saying a man is never a woman.
02:11:41.000 That's it.
02:11:42.000 Yeah.
02:11:43.000 That's what she said.
02:11:44.000 She was arguing.
02:11:45.000 It was about, I think it was about that case.
02:11:47.000 Yaniv?
02:11:48.000 Yeah, the guy who was a biological male, was going with a penis, fully functional.
02:11:53.000 That was the guy, the trans woman up in Canada, who was like suing the people at the salon.
02:12:00.000 Yeah, shut down.
02:12:01.000 For not waxing her balls.
02:12:03.000 Her balls and dick.
02:12:05.000 This person went to different salons and was making them wax her junk.
02:12:11.000 And they were like, hey...
02:12:12.000 We're not here for dicks.
02:12:14.000 We only do vaginas.
02:12:16.000 But didn't it come out, too, that that person is a predator?
02:12:18.000 Yeah.
02:12:18.000 Yeah.
02:12:19.000 Of course.
02:12:20.000 Of course.
02:12:21.000 And mentally ill.
02:12:23.000 Yeah.
02:12:24.000 One of my favorite ones is this trans woman with a beard and wearing a dress that said, some women have penises, and if you don't like that, you could suck my dick.
02:12:32.000 That's what we joked about on freaking dumpster fire years ago is that we were so close to suck my dick, bigot.
02:12:39.000 Yes, yes.
02:12:40.000 And it's here.
02:12:40.000 Yes, it's here.
02:12:41.000 It's here and it's normalized and people will say it and they'll put it in signs.
02:12:44.000 Yeah, no, it's fine if you want to go turf hunting.
02:12:47.000 Yeah, you want to go turf hunting.
02:12:49.000 Go out.
02:12:50.000 J.K. Rowling, man.
02:12:51.000 I mean, she's getting dragged through the fucking mud.
02:12:54.000 She is, I mean, she's so reasonable and people are like, all she had to do was be quiet and all she had to do was enjoy her billions.
02:13:01.000 And it's like, yeah, and she's not.
02:13:03.000 She's fighting.
02:13:05.000 For women's spaces.
02:13:07.000 She doesn't have to.
02:13:08.000 And she's fighting for these young girls who don't know any better.
02:13:12.000 She's fighting.
02:13:13.000 Yeah, she didn't have to do that.
02:13:15.000 She could have ignored all of this and just enjoyed her money and she's not.
02:13:19.000 And I think a lot of the people that jumped in on that pylon, they're going to recognize years from now how fucked up that was.
02:13:27.000 I want people to...
02:13:29.000 I would like when people interview the...
02:13:33.000 I just want people on record saying that they're for this.
02:13:37.000 It's like, okay, you believe in gender-affirming care.
02:13:41.000 Do you know what that means?
02:13:42.000 That means puberty blockers?
02:13:44.000 That means giving kids...
02:13:46.000 Different sex hormones.
02:13:48.000 That means basically child mutilation.
02:13:53.000 You are on record saying that you are for this because I don't think it will stand the test of time.
02:13:59.000 It's castration of prepubescent males in many cases.
02:14:03.000 Oh, God, the stories.
02:14:04.000 I mean, the stories are sad.
02:14:06.000 Those are some of the saddest.
02:14:08.000 It's so sad what happens to detransitioners who come out and push back.
02:14:15.000 And they get attacked.
02:14:16.000 Yeah, you would think if you're comfortable in your movement and your choice, like, if someone's like, yeah, I drink, I'm not like, you, you drink?
02:14:24.000 You must be a fucking alcoholic then, because I quit drinking.
02:14:27.000 Right.
02:14:28.000 If you're comfortable in your choice, you don't need to attack people for having a different opinion.
02:14:33.000 Or if someone does quit drinking and people say, what are you, a fucking pussy?
02:14:37.000 You can't handle the booze?
02:14:39.000 You're not one of us.
02:14:42.000 I just let people make their choices, but I don't think with...
02:14:47.000 I don't know.
02:14:49.000 Messing with children is not right.
02:14:51.000 It's wild how prevalent it is.
02:14:53.000 I know.
02:14:54.000 And it's wild how this logical perspective is shunned.
02:14:59.000 Yeah, not shunned, but silent.
02:15:01.000 Yeah, attacked.
02:15:02.000 You'll get attacked.
02:15:03.000 People are afraid to say this around their friend groups.
02:15:06.000 It's another way to kind of signal that you're part of the high-status in-group is to be like, boys and girls aren't different.
02:15:16.000 It's real strange.
02:15:17.000 It's real strange to just openly accept all this stuff without any pushback.
02:15:22.000 I think there will be pushback, though.
02:15:24.000 Again, I think we're seeing it in Europe, and they were like leaders of this kind of movement, and now it seems like they're coming to their senses a little bit and following science.
02:15:34.000 I don't necessarily see that, although we might see it in the midterms.
02:15:41.000 Again, people tend to voice their opinion on these things at the ballot when they don't have to voice their opinion.
02:15:48.000 And there are a lot of people that are afraid of talking about it.
02:15:52.000 Right.
02:15:52.000 But they're not afraid of voting about it.
02:15:54.000 Right.
02:15:55.000 Because there's a lot of people that are afraid of the reprisal.
02:15:58.000 They're afraid of getting attacked.
02:15:59.000 And they'll silently, when they're amongst friends, going, what the fuck is going on?
02:16:03.000 Like, what is going on?
02:16:05.000 Yeah.
02:16:05.000 And those people, that's going to be responsible for the red wave.
02:16:08.000 I think the red wave that's coming is going to be like the elevator doors opening up in The Shining.
02:16:13.000 Right.
02:16:16.000 That's what I think.
02:16:17.000 I think people are just like, what the fuck are you saying?
02:16:20.000 They're making Republicans.
02:16:21.000 I don't know how they're doing it.
02:16:24.000 I had a family member who's a boomer and a diehard liberal.
02:16:28.000 And they told me when I was home this summer that they would vote for DeSantis.
02:16:32.000 And I'm like, how did you lose this person?
02:16:35.000 How did you lose this person?
02:16:36.000 This is a go to the ballot and vote blue no matter what.
02:16:41.000 And you've lost even...
02:16:45.000 The boomers.
02:16:46.000 You've lost a lot of them that aren't talking about it.
02:16:48.000 Yeah.
02:16:49.000 There's a lot of them.
02:16:50.000 You know, you're seeing in New York City, Hochul, like debating that Republican candidate, that guy gained ground.
02:16:57.000 Like they're worried about New York becoming Republican, which is wild.
02:17:02.000 I was reading last night an article about in Oregon, there is there's an independent woman running and then a Democrat and Republican and the Republican they think might win.
02:17:15.000 Biden was in Oregon, like stumping for the Democratic candidate because they're so worried Oregon's gonna have a Republican governor the first time in 40 years.
02:17:48.000 That's wild.
02:17:48.000 Oregon!
02:17:48.000 Which is not that many people.
02:17:50.000 Not that many, but there's a lot of people silently that are like, what the fuck is going on?
02:17:54.000 Yeah.
02:17:54.000 And it's not just that, it's crime.
02:17:56.000 Crime is a big one.
02:17:58.000 The way they're handling crime, the way they're releasing people that are committing violent crimes and then putting them right back on the street, people are freaking the fuck out.
02:18:06.000 Yeah.
02:18:06.000 The way they're handling the homeless situation.
02:18:08.000 We looked at this video the other day in Portland.
02:18:13.000 They were showing discarded needles that they've collected from the streets.
02:18:17.000 They had fucking barrels of them.
02:18:19.000 Barrels and barrels of these discarded needles.
02:18:24.000 It's crazy.
02:18:25.000 It's so quick.
02:18:27.000 And what's crazy, too, is there's just this fundamental disdain for the taxpaying people.
02:18:35.000 Look at this.
02:18:35.000 This is this guy.
02:18:36.000 Look at this.
02:18:37.000 Give me volume on this.
02:18:41.000 Whoa.
02:18:42.000 That is fucking insane.
02:18:46.000 Look at this.
02:18:47.000 How many is that?
02:18:48.000 Ooh, fucking no.
02:18:50.000 Demonstration of how many used needles picked up off the streets.
02:18:53.000 How, how, like what, what is the, oh, why is he putting his hand in there?
02:18:57.000 Well, they're all destroyed.
02:18:58.000 They destroy them.
02:19:00.000 Those are all destroyed needles that they found in Portland.
02:19:04.000 That whole bag, used rags.
02:19:05.000 How, how, over the course of how long?
02:19:08.000 Like a year?
02:19:09.000 No.
02:19:10.000 No, they're not keeping them.
02:19:12.000 I want to know how long this was.
02:19:14.000 I don't know, but look at how many of them are.
02:19:16.000 It's insane.
02:19:18.000 That's them cleaning it up.
02:19:20.000 This is why they might have a Republican governor.
02:19:24.000 But like I was saying, the disdain they have for the taxpaying, just hardworking person...
02:19:30.000 Where it feels like they will prioritize the criminal before they prioritize the people who just want safe parks for their kids and are paying taxes.
02:19:40.000 I don't understand that.
02:19:42.000 How did that narrative even begin to get established?
02:19:45.000 That's what's so confusing to me.
02:19:46.000 And, you know, the big conspiracy theory is George Soros is trying to destroy America.
02:19:51.000 Funding these left-wing politicians and progressive district attorneys and then he'll fund an even more progressive one to run against them.
02:20:00.000 Why is he trying to destroy America?
02:20:02.000 I think he thinks it's fun.
02:20:03.000 Oh.
02:20:04.000 I think that's his hobby.
02:20:06.000 I don't know.
02:20:08.000 That's the conspiracy theory.
02:20:09.000 That's the conspiracy?
02:20:10.000 But he spent billions of dollars on campaigns.
02:20:13.000 So you think this is how it's just been institutionalized and been...
02:20:18.000 Well, if you wanted to do it, that's how you would do it.
02:20:21.000 You would fund someone who...
02:20:24.000 Like DAs and...
02:20:24.000 Yeah.
02:20:25.000 Fund district attorneys, fund...
02:20:40.000 I mean, talk about the Joker letting prisoners free!
02:20:44.000 Yeah.
02:20:44.000 It's all projection.
02:20:46.000 Yeah.
02:20:46.000 Do you remember when that happened?
02:20:47.000 When that movie came out?
02:20:49.000 I remember I went to see it with my wife and we were in the movie theater and we were watching The Joker and she was like, this seems a little too close to what's possible.
02:20:55.000 It's a little on the nose, yeah.
02:20:56.000 It's a little too on the nose.
02:20:57.000 I mean, that was the best version of The Joker ever.
02:21:00.000 Ever.
02:21:00.000 Ever.
02:21:01.000 That movie's amazing.
02:21:02.000 It's fucking good.
02:21:03.000 Yeah.
02:21:04.000 And they're doing a Joker too right now.
02:21:05.000 Oh, really?
02:21:06.000 Which is like, are they going to predict the future even further?
02:21:09.000 Because you've got to remember, the Joker 1 came out before the pandemic, and everything accelerated during the pandemic.
02:21:14.000 Remember, they were like, there are going to be shootings in the, because of this movie, there are going to be shootings in the movie theaters, and they came out and nothing happened.
02:21:24.000 But it did sort of predict.
02:21:27.000 Project this feeling that a lot of people that are disenfranchised had.
02:21:31.000 Yeah.
02:21:32.000 That the real problem is the rich people and the powerful.
02:21:35.000 And we just need to fucking anarchy and take over and shoot everybody.
02:21:38.000 Yeah.
02:21:38.000 And you saw that during the BLM protests.
02:21:41.000 Like some people were sort of embracing that.
02:21:43.000 But it's weird.
02:21:44.000 They didn't necessarily go after the people in power and the rich people.
02:21:49.000 A lot of the destruction happened to very small businesses.
02:21:55.000 And in the pandemic, one of the things that broke me is the largest transfer of wealth upwardly.
02:22:01.000 Occurred during the pandemic.
02:22:03.000 And you saw the destruction of small business.
02:22:06.000 My friend Carol Roth is brilliant on this and wrote a book, The War on Small Business, all about this.
02:22:12.000 And it is maddening what happened during the pandemic to small businesses in particular, which are a huge backbone of America.
02:22:21.000 But they don't really like small businesses because they're independent.
02:22:25.000 They're like, you can't really control them.
02:22:27.000 But do you think that that was a conspiracy, or do you think that that was just a byproduct of bad policy?
02:22:33.000 I don't...
02:22:34.000 I... If you want to be conspiratorially minded, you'd say it's a grand, orchestrated conspiracy to promote the Great Reset.
02:22:41.000 That's the narrative.
02:22:42.000 Right.
02:22:43.000 And, I mean, perhaps it is.
02:22:46.000 Like...
02:22:47.000 I don't know.
02:22:48.000 I'm not a conspirator.
02:22:49.000 I'm generally like Michael Shermer, who I think you recently had on.
02:22:53.000 He's a skeptic.
02:22:54.000 I generally lean towards like how many people would have to believe this in order for it to be true or keep it a secret in order for it to be true.
02:23:01.000 People can't keep secrets.
02:23:03.000 Yeah, but at the World Economic Forum, they're not keeping secrets.
02:23:05.000 No, they're being open about it.
02:23:07.000 They're talking about it openly.
02:23:07.000 Yeah.
02:23:08.000 I mean, I think she's working on another book, and I'm not sure if I'm allowed to talk about it, but I believe it's addressing a lot of these policies that are like the kind of idea that you will own nothing, you'll live in a pod, you'll eat bugs.
02:23:21.000 But the small business stuff was infuriating because you had things like Walmart allowed to stay open, little local store had to shut down.
02:23:32.000 So these little mom and pops all got destroyed.
02:23:34.000 And even during the George Floyd riots, I donated...
02:23:39.000 I used to live in Minneapolis.
02:23:40.000 One of the places I went to after rehab was right down the street from that police station on Lake Street that burned down.
02:23:47.000 And that neighborhood is all small businesses.
02:23:50.000 And I still get emails for them.
02:23:53.000 They're like, two years later and we're raising more money.
02:23:55.000 And they're still rebuilding.
02:23:57.000 They're still trying to...
02:24:00.000 Bring back, you know, like two years after the damage.
02:24:04.000 They're still trying to fundraise and bring back.
02:24:07.000 It was very destructive for people.
02:24:11.000 They lost their whole business and livelihoods.
02:24:13.000 Yeah, and it takes a long time for things to come back.
02:24:15.000 Yeah.
02:24:16.000 It's easy to destroy things.
02:24:17.000 Yeah.
02:24:18.000 But to rebuild them, it takes forever.
02:24:20.000 Yeah.
02:24:21.000 I mean, you see it with natural disasters, like the hurricane in Florida, which weirdly...
02:24:26.000 I mean, the destruction down there is so bad.
02:24:30.000 That's a weird one, too.
02:24:31.000 I don't know why that didn't get...
02:24:32.000 It feels like it just came through, and then they're like, well, good luck, Florida.
02:24:37.000 Yeah.
02:24:37.000 Well, there was a lot of the narrative of the people of Florida.
02:24:40.000 Yeah, well, that's what you get for denying climate change.
02:24:43.000 Oh, my God.
02:24:43.000 That's not a charitable way to go through life.
02:24:48.000 Horrible, because how many of those people were actually left-wing?
02:24:50.000 How many of those people are Democrats?
02:24:51.000 How many of those people didn't deny climate change?
02:24:53.000 They just happened to live in Florida.
02:24:54.000 They got fucked by a natural disaster.
02:24:56.000 It used to be like people had sympathy for people during natural disasters.
02:25:00.000 Yeah.
02:25:01.000 It's a weird time to be in America.
02:25:04.000 I mean, it's definitely like...
02:25:06.000 It feels on edge.
02:25:08.000 Everyone feels a little bit on edge in the Joker movie.
02:25:13.000 At its core, I think it is a class war.
02:25:16.000 It's just masked by all of this division.
02:25:21.000 I do think there's a lot of resentment.
02:25:25.000 People are mad, but it's easier to be mad at your neighbor than it is to be mad at Nancy Pelosi.
02:25:34.000 Right.
02:25:34.000 But did you see that freaking amazing—it went viral.
02:25:38.000 It was the guy right after Roe v.
02:25:40.000 Wade, and he was mad at the Democrats for sending him emails.
02:25:43.000 And he was like, quit sending me emails!
02:25:45.000 And he starts going through how much all of the people who were sending him emails, Democratic leaders, were worth.
02:25:53.000 Yeah.
02:25:54.000 It is— Well, they were asking for money.
02:25:56.000 I should find—yeah.
02:25:57.000 After Roe v.
02:25:57.000 Wade, they're like, you've got to give us money.
02:26:00.000 I mean, they just used...
02:26:01.000 It was total opportunism.
02:26:02.000 Yeah, but he's like, Nancy...
02:26:03.000 It's the funniest rant I should find.
02:26:05.000 Did you see her husband got attacked last night?
02:26:08.000 Yeah, I saw that.
02:26:09.000 Some guy broke into their house and attacked him with a hammer.
02:26:12.000 Do they know why?
02:26:14.000 I don't know.
02:26:14.000 I mean, I just saw the story earlier.
02:26:16.000 Supposedly he was asking where Nancy was.
02:26:19.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.
02:26:20.000 He attacked the husband with a hammer.
02:26:22.000 Hit him in the head with a fucking hammer.
02:26:24.000 Oh, geez.
02:26:24.000 How bad is he?
02:26:25.000 Is he okay?
02:26:27.000 I believe I read non-life-threatening injuries, but he is in the hospital.
02:26:31.000 I think he was having surgery.
02:26:32.000 I'm checking.
02:26:33.000 That's scary.
02:26:33.000 Okay, how do they have no security?
02:26:36.000 Yeah, how do they not know that people hate them?
02:26:38.000 Isn't she like the third in line, though, for being president?
02:26:41.000 The assailant was yelling, where is Nancy, according to a person briefed in the assault.
02:26:45.000 Her husband Paul Pelosi was hospitalized and the police said the suspect would be charged with attempted homicide.
02:26:51.000 So, what happened?
02:26:53.000 Speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband Paul Pelosi was violently assaulted by a man who broke into the couple's home in San Francisco early Friday morning.
02:27:03.000 David DePape, 42, said they were investigating a possible motive.
02:27:09.000 The suspect is David DePape.
02:27:10.000 They were investigating a possible motive.
02:27:12.000 The details, San Francisco police responded to a break-in at Paul Pelosi's residence at 2.27 a.m.
02:27:19.000 Friday, Chief William Scott said in a news conference, the assailant, who pulled a hammer from Mr. Pelosi and violently attacked him in front of police officers.
02:27:29.000 What?!
02:27:31.000 What?
02:27:31.000 The intruder was in search of Speaker Pelosi, according to a person briefed in the attack, and confronted Mr. Pelosi in the couple's home, shouting, Where is Nancy?
02:27:39.000 Where is Nancy?
02:27:40.000 A spokesperson for the Speaker said in a statement that Mr. Pelosi, 82, was taken to the hospital, was receiving excellent medical care.
02:27:47.000 What?
02:27:48.000 So he might have had a hammer, and the guy took the hammer from him?
02:27:53.000 Because it said he pulled a hammer from Mr. Pelosi and violently attacked him in front of the police.
02:28:00.000 What?
02:28:01.000 This story is so weird.
02:28:02.000 How did the police not stop that from happening?
02:28:04.000 How did they not stop that?
02:28:05.000 A person with the same name as the suspect posted a number of conspiracy theories on social media.
02:28:11.000 What does that mean?
02:28:12.000 I don't like how you said that.
02:28:13.000 Tell me what he posted.
02:28:14.000 Don't say conspiracy theories to make it seem like he was crazy.
02:28:17.000 Although it could not be confirmed whether the posts were linked to the intruder, Mrs. Pelosi was in Washington, D.C., With her protective detail at the time of the break-in, so she has a protective detail.
02:28:28.000 Yeah, but they're rich enough to have security.
02:28:30.000 Come on now.
02:28:31.000 Well, they stole enough money to fund security for a long time.
02:28:35.000 They've been involved in fucking insider trading forever.
02:28:38.000 I mean, that's what this rant is about.
02:28:40.000 I sent it to you if you want to play it.
02:28:42.000 It's the most amazing thing.
02:28:43.000 Three San Francisco police officers responding to an emergency call burst into the home of Speaker Nancy Pelosi in the early morning to find her 82 year old husband and an intruder grappling over a hammer.
02:28:55.000 Yeah, so he pulled out a hammer, tried to stop this guy.
02:28:57.000 That's all he has?
02:28:58.000 Because in San Francisco, it's hard to get a gun.
02:29:00.000 As Police Chief William Scott described the scene of a news conference later in the day, the intruder ripped the hammer out of the grip of Speaker's husband, Paul Pelosi, and violently assaulted him with it in front of the officers.
02:29:13.000 Jesus, this is just...
02:29:14.000 What are these officers doing?
02:29:17.000 Wow.
02:29:18.000 Wow.
02:29:19.000 I sent you the rant.
02:29:21.000 What is it?
02:29:22.000 It's the rant of the guy.
02:29:23.000 That you did?
02:29:23.000 No, it's the guy that I was talking about who did the most hilarious rant.
02:29:28.000 And I think he really tapped into a lot of the...
02:29:31.000 I have to pee really bad, so I'm going to send this to Jamie, and then we'll come right back.
02:29:34.000 Here, Jamie, I'll send you this.
02:29:37.000 Bam.
02:29:37.000 We'll be right back.
02:29:39.000 Okay, play that rant.
02:29:40.000 It's the best.
02:29:43.000 I mean, maybe not in light of what happened to Mr. Pelosi, but...
02:29:46.000 Well, let's see it.
02:29:48.000 I hope he recovers.
02:29:52.000 I love this guy.
02:29:54.000 About this.
02:29:55.000 I'm not because I can't yell at the Republicans.
02:29:58.000 They're not going to change.
02:29:59.000 They are who they are.
02:29:59.000 We're stuck with them.
02:30:01.000 We're not going to change them.
02:30:03.000 You can't shame them.
02:30:04.000 You can't convince them.
02:30:05.000 You can't trick them.
02:30:07.000 You can't fucking out plan them.
02:30:09.000 But I can yell at the Democratic Party and I can tell them where they can at least make one fucking small change to stop pissing me the fuck off every hour right now.
02:30:17.000 Stop sending me Stop sending me fundraising requests right now.
02:30:23.000 Okay?
02:30:24.000 The Republican Party had a plan for the last 50 years to overturn Roe v.
02:30:27.000 Wade.
02:30:27.000 We had a leak five weeks ago telling us that this exact thing was going to happen.
02:30:32.000 And your response after five weeks of careful study and planning and thought has been to send us nonstop fundraising emails.
02:30:43.000 Alright, so let me just leave you a quick list.
02:30:45.000 Mark Warner, he's the Democratic Senator from Virginia.
02:30:49.000 He's worth $214.1 million.
02:30:52.000 Don Beyer, he's a Democratic Virginia House member.
02:30:54.000 He's worth $124.9 million.
02:30:57.000 Dean Phillips, he's a Minnesota House member.
02:31:01.000 He is worth $123.8 million.
02:31:04.000 Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the fucking House of the Democratic Party from California, is worth $114.7 million.
02:31:12.000 Dianne Feinstein, who doesn't know where the fuck she is right now, the Senator from California, part of the Democratic Party, is worth $87.9 million.
02:31:24.000 You guys want money?
02:31:26.000 Fucking call your guy.
02:31:27.000 You call him every week to do insider trading.
02:31:30.000 Stop fucking sending me emails.
02:31:32.000 Stop sending me fucking texts.
02:31:34.000 Stop fucking reading poems and singing goddamn karaoke.
02:31:38.000 You have power.
02:31:39.000 You have it.
02:31:40.000 You're in those seats.
02:31:41.000 We're the ones who are powerless.
02:31:43.000 Stop fucking pretending you're protesting.
02:31:46.000 If you don't want to fucking do it or it's too hard, fucking retire.
02:31:50.000 You're rich as shit.
02:31:51.000 You don't need to do anything.
02:31:53.000 If I had $114.7 million, Nancy Pelosi, you know what I'd do?
02:31:58.000 First thing, I'd get my fucking husband a driver so he didn't get a goddamn DUI. Second thing, you know what I'd do?
02:32:03.000 I'd be on a fucking boat.
02:32:05.000 I'd be on a fucking boat.
02:32:08.000 $114.7 million.
02:32:10.000 And you want to send me a fucking email asking me for 15 bucks?
02:32:14.000 Bitch, in the last three years, you sent us, what, one and a half checks?
02:32:21.000 Stop it.
02:32:22.000 The Democratic Party has lost the thread.
02:32:25.000 Completely.
02:32:26.000 All leadership of the Democratic Party needs to be thrown out and replaced.
02:32:30.000 And here's the thing.
02:32:30.000 If you're over 65 or you're worth, I don't know, let's just do an arbitrary number here.
02:32:35.000 $10.7 million, you're done.
02:32:37.000 You're not in leadership.
02:32:39.000 Because that is the poorest member of the top 50. It's crazy.
02:32:43.000 Democratic members of the House.
02:32:46.000 You don't care.
02:32:47.000 You don't care.
02:32:48.000 You just want to stay in the seat.
02:32:50.000 Fuck you.
02:32:53.000 Good for him.
02:32:53.000 So, it went viral.
02:32:55.000 Good for him.
02:32:55.000 It's so good.
02:32:55.000 That's fucking good.
02:32:56.000 It's so good.
02:32:58.000 Those are the people that I think everyone is mad.
02:33:01.000 It is like, how are they so rich?
02:33:03.000 They're supposed to be public servants.
02:33:06.000 How'd they get that rich?
02:33:07.000 They're supposed...
02:33:09.000 Insider training.
02:33:10.000 I know.
02:33:11.000 I talked to this woman who has a...
02:33:14.000 Oh God, I'm totally blanking right now and I want to get her name right.
02:33:20.000 What was the other video you were going to play, Jamie?
02:33:22.000 I'm going to remember her name.
02:33:24.000 Was there another video that he said?
02:33:26.000 Yeah, the people trolling Twitter headquarters.
02:33:29.000 Oh, okay.
02:33:29.000 We'll play this.
02:33:30.000 Is that happening?
02:33:32.000 Yeah.
02:33:35.000 These are people that are pretending to be Twitter employees that were fired.
02:33:45.000 I mean, if free speech is, you know, Nazis saying that, you know, trans women shouldn't, you know, use women's locker rooms, then awesome.
02:33:57.000 I guess mission accomplished.
02:33:58.000 We'll see.
02:33:59.000 Listen, I got to touch base with my husband and wife.
02:34:02.000 I got to get out of here.
02:34:02.000 All right.
02:34:03.000 Thank you, guys.
02:34:04.000 Sorry, Daniel.
02:34:05.000 Thank you.
02:34:07.000 Well, that's not that good.
02:34:09.000 They're not digging into it.
02:34:11.000 Him and the other guy that were with them had fake names that were like Ligma Johnson.
02:34:14.000 Those were the last names.
02:34:15.000 And that's like internet culture for like, suck my dick.
02:34:20.000 I have to go touch base with my husband and wife.
02:34:22.000 My husband and wife.
02:34:24.000 Well, that's not that good.
02:34:27.000 Not compared to that last rant.
02:34:29.000 Oh, God.
02:34:29.000 I watch it like once.
02:34:31.000 It gives me life.
02:34:32.000 It just...
02:34:32.000 Well, that's the Joker.
02:34:33.000 The Joker revolts against that shit.
02:34:36.000 Yeah.
02:34:36.000 That's the shit that should infuriate everybody.
02:34:38.000 It should infuriate all of us.
02:34:40.000 Super wealthy people that have gotten wealthy by scamming the system.
02:34:43.000 And that's what they're doing.
02:34:44.000 They're pretending that they're helping people.
02:34:46.000 They're pretending that they're in that position of power and they're going to help people.
02:34:48.000 The Joker is probably going to help people.
02:34:51.000 Nancy, do you think you should stop inside a chain?
02:34:53.000 No.
02:34:54.000 No.
02:34:56.000 She'll publicly say she's for it and privately probably undermine the whole thing.
02:35:01.000 When they first confronted her, she said, I think we should be allowed to participate.
02:35:05.000 Of course.
02:35:06.000 Of course you do.
02:35:07.000 Of course you do.
02:35:08.000 You made $100 million on a $100,000 a year salary.
02:35:11.000 It's fucking bananas.
02:35:14.000 That rage, I felt it in my soul.
02:35:18.000 It tapped into my 20-year-old liberal roots.
02:35:24.000 I know I've said before on here I was AOC in my 20s.
02:35:29.000 I really understand that.
02:35:32.000 Say what you want about AOC, but she's working class.
02:35:34.000 She came from the working class and was a bartender.
02:35:39.000 I feel like at least it's nice to have someone.
02:35:41.000 They hate her because she's...
02:35:43.000 But don't you think you start that way?
02:35:45.000 And then when you get into that system, if you want to succeed, you want to succeed in that system, you become a part of that system.
02:35:51.000 Yeah.
02:35:52.000 You become, like, what does that system amplify?
02:35:55.000 What does that system reward?
02:35:57.000 It rewards compliance with the party.
02:36:00.000 And that's what she seems to be doing.
02:36:02.000 And that's why, like, at her town halls, they become a clusterfuck now because people are screaming at her, like, you're supporting war.
02:36:08.000 You're supporting sending money to Ukraine that's going to get us all fucking killed.
02:36:11.000 Yeah.
02:36:12.000 Yeah.
02:36:12.000 You've seen all that.
02:36:13.000 That is wild.
02:36:14.000 Yeah, I saw something.
02:36:16.000 And the thing is, she's the one who said that we should make these people uncomfortable.
02:36:20.000 Right.
02:36:21.000 We should make people uncomfortable.
02:36:21.000 But now it's coming back to her.
02:36:23.000 Right.
02:36:24.000 Well, because now she's in power.
02:36:25.000 Well, these fucking people, when they get into that position, they realize, what is that position?
02:36:30.000 You want to be president?
02:36:31.000 Do you want to play ball?
02:36:32.000 Yeah.
02:36:32.000 You want to keep fucking kicking ass and get further up the ladder?
02:36:36.000 Maybe you can help people when you do.
02:36:37.000 Maybe you can help people, but you've got to play ball.
02:36:39.000 And they're all playing ball.
02:36:40.000 And she's playing ball.
02:36:41.000 Yeah.
02:36:42.000 I think that there...
02:36:43.000 I'm thinking of this podcast I did the other day with this woman and I think it's called...
02:36:48.000 Oh my gosh.
02:36:49.000 Again, my brain is mush.
02:36:51.000 My brain is mush.
02:36:53.000 But I like giving people the right credit when it's due.
02:36:58.000 And she has this podcast and she came on and was talking about how...
02:37:02.000 Really, it's like the best faith interpretation is that these leaders do think they're helping people, but it's helping one another.
02:37:10.000 They're helping the investor class, is what she called it, and not the working class.
02:37:16.000 And so she's like, well, Nancy Pelosi, they just aren't dealing with people who work for a paycheck.
02:37:24.000 They're working with people who make their money in dividends.
02:37:26.000 And so they are helping those people, and they're helping themselves.
02:37:31.000 Yeah.
02:37:31.000 And then they do things where it's a signal that they're doing the right thing.
02:37:36.000 Like one of the things that Biden did.
02:37:38.000 Biden came out and said, we are going to release all the people that are in jail for marijuana possession and federal prison.
02:37:47.000 But it was like no one.
02:37:48.000 There's no one.
02:37:49.000 That's how many people are in jail for marijuana possession in federal prisons.
02:37:51.000 Because they all pretty much have been released.
02:37:53.000 It's usually they have another crime attached if they're still in jail for marijuana possession.
02:37:58.000 The people that are in jail federally are growers.
02:38:02.000 Right.
02:38:02.000 And, you know, how about release those people?
02:38:05.000 If it's okay to possess it, why isn't it okay to grow it?
02:38:09.000 It's called Congressional Dish.
02:38:10.000 And it's this woman, Jennifer Briney, she came on my podcast and she was talking about what she does with her podcast, which I really should start listening to, is she gets into like every bill and what's being put into it.
02:38:22.000 So she'll look deeply into the bills.
02:38:25.000 Which is a lot of work.
02:38:26.000 A lot of work.
02:38:27.000 Because those things are huge.
02:38:28.000 A lot of work.
02:38:29.000 And she'll go...
02:38:30.000 And she...
02:38:31.000 You know, I asked her, like, how do you get over your biases?
02:38:33.000 She's like, I'm just open about my bias because I don't think you can get around them.
02:38:37.000 And so she has this podcast where she'll go in and look at, like, some of the crazy stuff that gets passed attached to one bill that's for one thing.
02:38:47.000 I just don't understand how, again, that's legal.
02:38:50.000 Like, give us an example.
02:38:52.000 Like, she gave the example of...
02:38:59.000 Let me think.
02:39:00.000 The bill that she was talking about that a lot of things were attached to was, I think there was a lot of stuff with the PPP loans.
02:39:11.000 And last minute, things get attached all the time.
02:39:14.000 The example she gave was of the government shutdowns, the debt ceiling.
02:39:30.000 Like what?
02:39:34.000 Oh, gosh.
02:39:35.000 Why is my brain mush, Jo?
02:39:38.000 There was one with the debt ceiling recently that she was talking about, and I cannot for the life of me remember it.
02:39:45.000 They're always doing this.
02:39:50.000 But that's commonplace.
02:39:52.000 It's common to do this.
02:39:53.000 That's what they do.
02:39:54.000 And they'll put it in a bill that has a name like, let's help poor kids.
02:39:59.000 Let's help poor kids bill.
02:40:01.000 I wish I had a better example.
02:40:04.000 There's...
02:40:04.000 Justin Amash, when he was on the podcast, was talking about how it shouldn't be like this.
02:40:09.000 It should be like you have a bill for one thing and it's not 2,000 pages that no one's read that they get...
02:40:18.000 Two days before it's supposed to pass with everybody's kind of special interest that they've tacked in.
02:40:24.000 I wish I had a better...
02:40:25.000 There are so many good examples of just like ridiculous things tacked into bills that are ostensibly for one thing and then it's like, but we need to...
02:40:32.000 But how does that ever get fixed?
02:40:34.000 If people become a part of that system once they get elected and then they go to Washington and they see how it all works and they see what it takes to succeed and that's the job that they're in.
02:40:47.000 They're in this business to try to succeed and you want to keep getting elected and you want to keep working with all those people.
02:40:55.000 That's your job now.
02:40:57.000 Yeah, but it's not working with all the people.
02:40:59.000 It's the special interests who they're being funded by.
02:41:03.000 It's like the pharmaceutical companies and whoever might be funding their next campaign.
02:41:09.000 So they're not working for the people.
02:41:11.000 Of course.
02:41:12.000 They're working for the corporations.
02:41:13.000 That's what I mean.
02:41:14.000 Yeah.
02:41:35.000 Running the country still.
02:41:36.000 I think there are definitely ways we could fix it, but the problem is the people in power, they don't want to fix it.
02:41:42.000 You need people in these positions who don't necessarily want power, but nobody wants to run for that.
02:41:49.000 The corporate-run media that's just gaslighting everybody.
02:41:52.000 Right, of course.
02:41:53.000 We were talking about the debate, how MSNBC was like, you know, he has a problem forming a sentence, but he doesn't have any cognitive decline.
02:42:01.000 The Fetterman-Oz debate?
02:42:03.000 Yeah, how the fuck do you know he doesn't have cognitive decline?
02:42:05.000 Can he drive?
02:42:05.000 He seems like he does.
02:42:07.000 I want to know if he can drive.
02:42:09.000 I feel like that would be a good sign of whether or not he has cognitive decline.
02:42:13.000 Right.
02:42:14.000 I have cognitive decline since being a mom.
02:42:16.000 No, that, I couldn't even watch it.
02:42:19.000 It felt mean.
02:42:20.000 Oh, that's what I want to know.
02:42:22.000 Find out if that debate is actually being removed from the internet.
02:42:27.000 See if you can find the debate.
02:42:30.000 Because that's the Reddit conspiracy thread, is that people are removing that debate, and it's difficult to find.
02:42:36.000 Like, Duncan was telling me this last night, and I said, I need to look into that.
02:42:39.000 Is that true?
02:42:40.000 What are the polls saying, like, after that?
02:42:42.000 Is it...
02:42:43.000 It feels...
02:42:44.000 What is maddening about this situation with this debate, which I couldn't even...
02:42:50.000 People on Twitter were saying it was really bad and, like, it was hard to watch.
02:42:53.000 And I think if you have any empathy, this is hard to watch.
02:42:57.000 But it's also maddening because how entitled are you as a party that you're just going to be like, you have to vote for this person or you're ableist?
02:43:06.000 They're calling people ableist for not supporting...
02:43:11.000 A guy with some clear brain issue.
02:43:14.000 Yeah!
02:43:15.000 He literally had a stroke five months ago.
02:43:17.000 Yeah!
02:43:18.000 And I had Dr. Phil on yesterday, and Dr. Phil was explaining, like, the worst thing that you can do, the worst thing you could do for someone like that, is put him in a position of stress.
02:43:28.000 Yeah, that's why it's hard to watch.
02:43:30.000 We used to kind of give, like, Biden, we used to make fun of Biden all the time on Dumpster Fire, because he's the most powerful man in the world, and you should, but lately it just feels sad.
02:43:40.000 Did you find the debate?
02:43:41.000 It's available?
02:43:43.000 I found a bunch of clips.
02:43:44.000 I found the debate.
02:43:45.000 So the Reddit people are full shit?
02:43:47.000 I mean, you probably can't upload somebody else's content in one way.
02:43:50.000 Well, this is Florida.
02:43:53.000 This is a news debate about the whole thing.
02:43:55.000 Oh, so this is a news opinion piece about the debate.
02:43:59.000 See if you can find the actual debate.
02:44:03.000 I've definitely found clips of it.
02:44:05.000 Yeah, but is the actual debate available?
02:44:08.000 The primary source.
02:44:09.000 Because people were saying, well, the clips, they're taking them out of context, and if you look at the whole thing, he didn't do that bad, and he made some really good points, and he had some good comebacks.
02:44:20.000 I don't like the fact that he wears hoodies everywhere.
02:44:22.000 I wear hoodies, but this is what I actually wear.
02:44:26.000 Why do you think he wears them?
02:44:27.000 Because he wants to look like a common man.
02:44:29.000 He's literally wearing Carhartt hoodies.
02:44:32.000 That's contrived.
02:44:34.000 You know what Carhartt is?
02:44:35.000 Yeah, of course.
02:44:36.000 They're working class, real durable clothes.
02:44:38.000 They make great shit.
02:44:39.000 Best pants.
02:44:40.000 Make great everything.
02:44:41.000 Yeah.
02:44:41.000 It's all fucking super durable stuff.
02:44:43.000 Yeah.
02:44:43.000 Right?
02:44:44.000 So he's wearing that.
02:44:45.000 Like, you know, I'm a hard working man.
02:44:48.000 Yeah.
02:44:48.000 I'm a working class?
02:44:50.000 Yeah.
02:44:50.000 Dude, what did he do?
02:44:52.000 I don't know.
02:44:53.000 Oh, okay.
02:44:53.000 I don't know anything about it.
02:44:54.000 Maybe he was a working class.
02:44:55.000 So here's the actual debate.
02:44:57.000 This is an hour long video.
02:44:59.000 Okay, but give me, so that's not true.
02:45:00.000 So people that were saying that, it's not true.
02:45:02.000 They haven't removed the debate.
02:45:04.000 We've fact checked something.
02:45:05.000 Yeah, we've fact checked this.
02:45:06.000 So play some of it.
02:45:08.000 Pennsylvania that ever got knocked down.
02:45:10.000 That needs to get back up and fighting for all forgotten communities all across Pennsylvania.
02:45:15.000 That also got knocked down.
02:45:16.000 That needs to keep get back up.
02:45:18.000 Thank you very much, Mr. Federer.
02:45:20.000 Mr. Oz, you are a doctor, a businessman, and television personality.
02:45:23.000 But this is your first run for elected office.
02:45:26.000 What qualifies you to be a U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania?
02:45:29.000 You have 60 seconds.
02:45:31.000 I'm running for the U.S. Senate because Washington keeps getting it wrong with extreme positions.
02:45:37.000 I want to bring civility, balance, all the things that you want to see because you've been telling it to me on the campaign trail.
02:45:43.000 And by doing that, we can bring us together in a way that has not been done of late.
02:45:48.000 Democrats, Republicans talking to each other.
02:45:50.000 John Fetterman takes everything to an extreme and those extreme positions hurt us all.
02:45:55.000 Let's take crime as an example because it's been such a big problem.
02:45:59.000 Maureen Faulkner accompanied me today to the studio.
02:46:02.000 You know that her husband was a police officer in Philadelphia, was brutally murdered.
02:46:07.000 John Fetterman, during this crime wave, has been trying to get as many murderers, convicted and sentenced to life in prison, out of jail as possible, including people who are similar to the man who murdered her husband.
02:46:18.000 He does it without the rest of the parole board agreeing.
02:46:21.000 He's doing it without the families on board.
02:46:24.000 These radical positions extend beyond crime to wanting to legalize all drugs, to open the border, to raising our taxes.
02:46:31.000 I want Washington to be civil again.
02:46:34.000 You need it to be less radical.
02:46:37.000 John Fetterman, unfortunately, would bring that.
02:46:38.000 Mr. Oz, thank you.
02:46:39.000 Hold on, stop.
02:46:41.000 Pause, pause, pause, pause.
02:46:42.000 How crazy is it that you have someone who is running for the Senate, And it's an extremely influential and powerful position.
02:46:52.000 And you limit their expression to, what was that, 30 seconds?
02:46:58.000 I mean, I think I speak for most Americans.
02:47:01.000 Ding, ding, ding.
02:47:01.000 Ding, ding, ding.
02:47:03.000 That's enough.
02:47:05.000 I think I speak for most Americans when I say, these are our options?
02:47:10.000 This is the best we can do?
02:47:10.000 Well, what he said sounded fairly reasonable.
02:47:13.000 I mean, if he really wants to bring people together.
02:47:16.000 Didn't they used to talk for hours before they had these things, though?
02:47:18.000 I think they would go for days, maybe, sometimes.
02:47:20.000 Well, that's what Lincoln used to do.
02:47:21.000 They used to do it with no microphone.
02:47:22.000 Wrap it up.
02:47:23.000 Oz had a big gaffe, too, where he was trying to be like a common man in a grocery store that went viral.
02:47:29.000 It was so bad.
02:47:30.000 Oz.
02:47:30.000 Well, Oz was investigated for promoting fake weight loss.
02:47:35.000 Do you know that?
02:47:36.000 No.
02:47:36.000 Like, he was brought in front of Congress.
02:47:39.000 This was a real issue.
02:47:41.000 Google this.
02:47:42.000 Oz promoted something that he's a doctor.
02:47:45.000 He's an actual doctor.
02:47:47.000 And he promoted something that he was calling a miracle weight loss cure.
02:47:51.000 Because they were selling it.
02:47:53.000 Right.
02:47:53.000 And they were selling it on his fucking show.
02:47:55.000 Which is, you know, Dr. Oz.
02:47:58.000 Right.
02:47:58.000 So he's supposed to be an expert.
02:48:00.000 And he's saying it's a miracle weight loss cure.
02:48:03.000 It didn't do fucking jack shit.
02:48:04.000 Listen, there's no miracle weight loss cure.
02:48:07.000 It doesn't exist.
02:48:08.000 Well, actually, there's this semaglutide that a lot of the celebrities are taking.
02:48:12.000 Is it new?
02:48:13.000 Yeah, it's some peptide.
02:48:15.000 I feel like I've heard about this.
02:48:16.000 This is new that the Kardashians are supposed to be taking.
02:48:18.000 Dr. Oz hit with class action over miracle weight loss supplement claims.
02:48:23.000 Yeah, but he was actually forced to testify about this and he admitted that it was not true.
02:48:30.000 I had a bit, I was doing it for a while, that he's Oprah's bitch, and that Oprah's this pimp, and that she's like, you know, basically, you're gonna let my girl back on the street, right?
02:48:38.000 Because, like, she makes a lot of money off of his show.
02:48:41.000 If you have a fucking doctor show, and you say something that is absolutely not true, and you're selling something that's absolutely not a miracle, you probably shouldn't be doing that anymore.
02:48:51.000 Find out what he was forced to testify and see if we can find the video.
02:48:56.000 Wasn't there some controversy with Dr. Phil too?
02:48:58.000 Or is that someone else that I'm thinking of?
02:49:01.000 I don't know about that.
02:49:02.000 We'll find out.
02:49:02.000 But he's my boy, so shut the fuck up.
02:49:05.000 Product safety and insurance.
02:49:06.000 I don't know.
02:49:06.000 I could be wrong.
02:49:08.000 Product safety and insurance during a hearing on false advertising in the diet and weight loss industry, he presented his role clearly as the victim of unscrupulous advertisers' vicious attempts to twist his words to sell diet pills.
02:49:19.000 He was perfectly positioned to help Congress curb the tide of deceptive advertising.
02:49:23.000 There was only one problem with the doctor's plan.
02:49:25.000 Inside the hearing room, the members of the subcommittee had cast him in a different role, not as the victim of scheming fraudsters, but as the fraudster himself.
02:49:33.000 And I repeat, these are our options.
02:49:36.000 For the duration of the hour-long hearing, members of the subcommittee lined up one after another to grill America's doctor for statements he made on the Dr. Oz Show, his daytime cable program on health and wellness, laying into him for endorsements of the miraculous powers of green coffee extract and the fat-burning magic of raspberry ketone.
02:49:55.000 From his spot behind the witness table, Oz refused to back down.
02:50:00.000 He brandished printouts of scientific studies to defend his statements about various weight loss supplements, And cited transcripts of his TV appearances to show how advertisers had taken his words out of context.
02:50:11.000 At one point during the question and answer portion of the testimony, Senator Claire McCaskill, the subcommittee's chair, drew visibly agitated at Oz's evasiveness, blurting out, I've tried to do a lot of research in preparation for this trial, and the scientific community is almost monolithic against you.
02:50:29.000 It was a hearing, not a trial, but McCaskill's slip was telling.
02:50:41.000 Wow.
02:50:44.000 Wow.
02:50:51.000 Did he get in trouble at all?
02:50:53.000 Yeah, I think he got fined.
02:50:54.000 Oh, okay.
02:50:55.000 But I need to find out if that's true.
02:50:57.000 Senators scold Dr. Oz for diet...
02:51:00.000 Just click on that.
02:51:01.000 Let's see what it says, because it's only a minute and a half.
02:51:03.000 This is the options.
02:51:05.000 These are options.
02:51:07.000 A fraudster and a stroke victim.
02:51:10.000 Well, maybe he was scammed.
02:51:11.000 I mean, I don't know.
02:51:12.000 What the fuck?
02:51:13.000 Let's see what actually happened.
02:51:15.000 Here it goes.
02:51:16.000 Out, Dr. Oz.
02:51:17.000 You know, I... I get that you do a lot of good on your show.
02:51:24.000 I understand that you give a lot of information that's great information about health, and you do it in a way that's easily understandable.
02:51:33.000 You're very talented.
02:51:34.000 You're obviously very bright.
02:51:36.000 You've been trained in science-based medicine.
02:51:40.000 Now, here's three statements you made on your show.
02:51:43.000 You may think magic is make-believe, but this little bean has scientists saying they found the magic weight loss cure for every body type.
02:51:51.000 It's green coffee extract.
02:51:54.000 Quote, I've got the number one miracle in a bottle to burn your fat.
02:51:58.000 It's raspberry ketone.
02:52:01.000 Quote, Garcinia cambogia.
02:52:03.000 It may be the simple solution you've been looking for to bust your body fat for good.
02:52:09.000 I don't get why you need to say this stuff because you know it's not true.
02:52:13.000 I actually do personally believe in the items that I talk about in the show.
02:52:17.000 I passionately study them.
02:52:19.000 I recognize that oftentimes they don't have the scientific muster to present as fact.
02:52:24.000 But nevertheless, I would give my audience the advice I give my family all the time.
02:52:28.000 And I've given my family these products.
02:52:30.000 And when you call a product a miracle and it's something you can buy and it's something that gives people false hope, I just don't understand why you need to go there.
02:52:39.000 My job, I feel, on the show is to be a cheerleader for the audience.
02:52:43.000 And when they don't think they have hope, when they don't think they can make it happen, I want to look, and I do look everywhere, including in alternative healing traditions, for any evidence that might be supportive to them.
02:52:52.000 I will just tell you that I know you feel that you're a victim, but sometimes conduct invites being a victim.
02:53:03.000 Now, let's Google whether or not that shit actually works.
02:53:06.000 Does any of that shit actually work?
02:53:08.000 It's certainly not a miracle.
02:53:09.000 There's no fucking miracles when it comes to weight loss.
02:53:12.000 It's real calories in, calories out.
02:53:14.000 And it's also some things that promote inflammation like we talked about with seed oils and processed corn syrup and all that shit.
02:53:22.000 It makes people fatter.
02:53:23.000 And it also promotes excess calorie consumption because it's very addictive.
02:53:28.000 That stuff, yeah, if you can get that out of your diet, but it's not a miracle.
02:53:31.000 It's science.
02:53:32.000 It's real clear cause and effect.
02:53:35.000 Did he think this was science?
02:53:39.000 Maybe.
02:53:40.000 I suddenly had a vision of you being like, Nero, this gum does work.
02:53:44.000 Yeah, but it does.
02:53:45.000 There's science behind that.
02:53:46.000 That's the difference.
02:53:47.000 Double-blind, placebo-controlled studies.
02:53:48.000 But that's what I'm wondering.
02:53:49.000 Did he think there was science?
02:53:50.000 There is no evidence that raspberry ketones cause weight loss in humans.
02:53:55.000 And rat studies that suggest they may work use massive doses.
02:53:58.000 Huh.
02:54:00.000 Like, was he misled?
02:54:01.000 The rats probably got sick from it and didn't eat as much.
02:54:04.000 Yeah.
02:54:05.000 Massive doses of raspberry ketones.
02:54:07.000 They're like, this is gross.
02:54:07.000 The rats are like, I'm just going to fucking lose weight.
02:54:10.000 Yeah, that's what I'm wondering is why did he think this stuff worked or was he just lying?
02:54:14.000 I don't know.
02:54:15.000 I mean, I think he's selling his show is about, like, you know, getting people engaged and self-improvement and all that stuff.
02:54:23.000 And maybe he just exaggerated the effects.
02:54:25.000 Yeah.
02:54:26.000 But you can't say miracle.
02:54:27.000 No.
02:54:28.000 Because if it was a miracle, everybody who takes it would go, six pack, bang!
02:54:31.000 Yeah.
02:54:31.000 And that's not real.
02:54:32.000 That's not real.
02:54:33.000 There's no easy way to lose weight.
02:54:35.000 No.
02:54:36.000 Unfortunately.
02:54:37.000 Maybe the semaglutide shit.
02:54:38.000 Yeah, tell me about this.
02:54:39.000 Yeah, this is a...
02:54:40.000 It's a peptide, I believe.
02:54:43.000 And it's an injectable, I believe.
02:54:46.000 I think it's...
02:54:47.000 I think they inject it into fat.
02:54:49.000 And I think...
02:54:50.000 From what I understand, I'm butchering this, but Jamie will find out the facts.
02:54:54.000 I think what it does is it suppresses your appetite and it gives you the sensation that you're full.
02:55:01.000 Okay.
02:55:02.000 And the word is...
02:55:04.000 This is the word.
02:55:04.000 I haven't investigated this past discussing it on this podcast.
02:55:08.000 I should be really transparent about that.
02:55:09.000 But people have said that using it is causing them to lose weight and the narrative is that all these people that are...
02:55:20.000 Fitness influencers or public people, influencers online that have lost weight are using this semaglutin.
02:55:27.000 That's so shady.
02:55:29.000 Yeah, but I don't know if they're saying that they use it and promoting that they use it or if other people are pointing to this is what's causing them to lose weight.
02:55:37.000 I don't know that any social media influencers are telling people to take these peptides.
02:55:42.000 No, I mean, it's shady when you do something like that and then you're like, it's just a squat!
02:55:47.000 Yeah, right.
02:55:48.000 And not saying, like, this isn't...
02:55:51.000 Yeah.
02:55:51.000 It's Brazilian butt lift also.
02:55:55.000 Semaglutide, sold under the brand names Wegovi and Ozempic, among others, is an anti-diabetic medication used for the treatment of type 2 diabetes and long-term weight management.
02:56:08.000 What does it do?
02:56:12.000 One weekly semaglutide in overweight and obesity, semaglutide injection.
02:56:20.000 Go back to that page that you were just on.
02:56:22.000 And what does it say?
02:56:23.000 What does semaglutide do to your body?
02:56:25.000 Click on that.
02:56:33.000 It works by helping the pancreas release the right amount of insulin when blood sugar levels are high.
02:56:41.000 Insulin helps move sugar from the blood into other body tissues where it is used as energy.
02:56:48.000 So is semaglutide good for weight loss?
02:56:51.000 Click on that.
02:56:52.000 Semaglutide treatment effect in people with obesity trials have shown the efficacy of semaglutide for the treatment of obesity.
02:57:00.000 In large RCTs, random controlled trials, patients receiving semaglutide 2.4 milligrams lost a mean of 6% of their weight by week 12 and 12% of their weight by week 28. So that's legit.
02:57:14.000 But again, science.
02:57:16.000 Right.
02:57:17.000 Seven months though, right?
02:57:18.000 Yeah, but that's a lot of weight.
02:57:20.000 Losing 12% of your weight, and if you're 100 pounds, you're losing 12 pounds in seven months.
02:57:27.000 12% of your weight is legitimate.
02:57:29.000 It's not miracle, but it's legitimate weight loss.
02:57:31.000 12 pounds in seven months though?
02:57:34.000 12%, not 12 pounds.
02:57:35.000 Well, if you're 100 pounds.
02:57:36.000 No, if you're 100 pounds, that's what I'm saying.
02:57:39.000 Yeah.
02:57:39.000 But this is, I don't know that anybody that's 100 pounds would be taking.
02:57:42.000 It'd be people that are overweight, though.
02:57:43.000 Right, but I'm just saying that's 12%.
02:57:45.000 Right, right.
02:57:45.000 I'm just giving you an example of what 12% is.
02:57:48.000 So weight loss outcomes associated with semaglutide, so that's, click on that?
02:57:54.000 JAMA Network, Weight Loss Outcomes Associated with Semaglutide.
02:57:59.000 So key points.
02:58:01.000 Is treatment with semaglutide associated with weight loss outcomes similar to those seen in results of randomized control trials findings?
02:58:08.000 In this cohort study of 175 patients with overweight or obesity, the total weight loss percentage achieved were 5.9% at 3 months and 10.9% at 6 months.
02:58:19.000 Semaglutide treatment in a regular clinical setting was associated with weight loss similar to that seen in randomized clinical trials which suggest its applicability for treating patients with overweight or obesity.
02:58:31.000 I mean, they will figure something out eventually, right?
02:58:34.000 Well, this seems at least to be partially successful.
02:58:36.000 Yeah.
02:58:38.000 Objective.
02:58:38.000 Study weight loss outcomes associated with semaglutide treatment at doses used in randomized clinical trials for patients with overweight or obesity.
02:58:48.000 Yeah.
02:58:49.000 Huh.
02:58:49.000 Okay.
02:59:08.000 Anti-obesity medications and with an active malignment, neoplasm were excluded.
02:59:15.000 And the exposures, weekly 1.7 milligrams or 2.4 milligrams semaglutide subcutaneous injections for three to six months.
02:59:25.000 The main outcome, so that's what we read.
02:59:28.000 So it looks like it does have some efficacy.
02:59:31.000 I feel like they'll find a quick fix.
02:59:34.000 24-23% achieved weight loss of 15% or more, and 8% received a weight loss of 20% or more.
02:59:42.000 Wow.
02:59:43.000 That's a lot.
02:59:43.000 That's a lot.
02:59:44.000 So, with some people, it's really effective.
02:59:48.000 The results of this cohort study suggest that weekly 1.7 milligram and 2.4 milligram doses of semaglutide were associated with weight loss similar to that seen in randomized controlled clinical trials.
02:59:59.000 So it seems like it works.
03:00:00.000 Wow.
03:00:01.000 There you go.
03:00:01.000 Studies with longer periods of follow-up are needed to evaluate prolonged weight loss outcomes.
03:00:07.000 I kind of wonder what kind of diet and working out they did.
03:00:10.000 There's the rub.
03:00:10.000 Well, the rub is that you have to probably continue using it.
03:00:14.000 Yeah.
03:00:14.000 What was that, Jamie?
03:00:15.000 What kind of diet and working out they did during that six-month period.
03:00:18.000 Yeah, I'm curious, too.
03:00:19.000 Right.
03:00:19.000 Did they live their life normally and not change anything, or was this a part of an overall health plan where they were trying to improve their health?
03:00:28.000 Yeah, was this the only thing they did?
03:00:29.000 Or were they like, oh, they also made a lot of lifestyle changes that would cause you to lose weight?
03:00:34.000 They ran six miles a day, and they only ate green vegetables and lean meat, and yeah.
03:00:39.000 Last time I was here, we were talking about paternity leave, and I was on the fence, and now after having C-section, I am pro-paternity leave.
03:00:47.000 At least for a month, I needed the help.
03:00:50.000 No, women most certainly need it.
03:00:52.000 I freaking needed the help.
03:00:54.000 I couldn't even, you can't lift anything.
03:00:57.000 That was one thing that was shocking to me about the recovery from the C-section, that early, like, six weeks.
03:01:05.000 I didn't, for some reason, because my mom had five and I don't remember, and so many kids, I don't remember her being, she was younger, though.
03:01:12.000 I don't remember her being so laid up, but it was bad.
03:01:17.000 Well, any surgery.
03:01:18.000 Yeah.
03:01:18.000 Any time you get your body cut like that, there's a long recovery period, especially when you get into your 40s.
03:01:25.000 Yeah.
03:01:25.000 It's difficult for your body to respond and recover.
03:01:28.000 Well, that's the other thing, too, with why I tell people, don't wait to have the babies because it gets more dangerous as you get older.
03:01:36.000 And because I'm in geriatric pregnancy, they don't let you go over your...
03:01:42.000 After, I think, 40, they don't want you to go over your due date.
03:01:48.000 So a lot of times people will naturally go into labor at like 41 weeks.
03:01:51.000 But when you're a geriatric, they get nervous because the numbers go slightly up of their being a stillborn.
03:01:59.000 That's a weird word, geriatric.
03:02:01.000 That's what, after 35!
03:02:03.000 Isn't that wild?
03:02:04.000 35. It's not wild though.
03:02:06.000 It's not wild because it gets much harder.
03:02:09.000 And I feel like there's been a lot of constructive pushback against that kind of narrative that women have been sold that you can just kind of wait until your late 30s to have kids because you can't always.
03:02:25.000 You might be able to freeze your eggs and you might be able to take some measures, but it's still much, much harder to get pregnant late 30s, early 40s.
03:02:35.000 The problem is, like, so many people are just trying to figure out their life.
03:02:39.000 Like, they don't necessarily want to have kids when they're young because they're like, God, I have so many dreams and aspirations and career stuff.
03:02:45.000 Trade-offs.
03:02:46.000 Yeah.
03:02:46.000 I mean, I got lucky.
03:02:48.000 That's it.
03:02:49.000 She truly is like, she might be the last egg that I might go directly into menopause on this podcast.
03:02:59.000 I might.
03:03:00.000 I mean, it was totally a fluke.
03:03:03.000 They told me I could not have kids.
03:03:05.000 I was 42 years old when I got pregnant with her.
03:03:10.000 And I think a large part of the problem, too, is like, People aren't meeting their partners until later as well.
03:03:17.000 Well, also, you don't kind of know who you are until later in life.
03:03:21.000 Life is so much more complicated now than when people died at 30. Yeah.
03:03:26.000 And people didn't necessarily die at 30 because they died of old age at 30. When they talk about people dying really young back in the day, a lot of it is infant mortality that has to be factored in to the percentage of the age.
03:03:39.000 Of course.
03:03:40.000 People today are living longer, and a lot of people have careers, and you don't want to sacrifice your career.
03:03:48.000 But that goes back to my paternity thing.
03:03:51.000 There's not much support.
03:03:53.000 This is another area where I've become a single-issue voter.
03:03:57.000 Who is supporting mothers?
03:03:59.000 There isn't support for a woman to go have a baby at 30 and come back to her career in a year.
03:04:04.000 We just don't have that kind of support culturally and in a lot of the workplace.
03:04:11.000 It's just not there.
03:04:13.000 Well, coming back in a year, the problem is if you're a person who's running a business and you have someone that works for you, Yeah.
03:04:24.000 Ideally.
03:04:27.000 Ideally.
03:04:38.000 Ideally, yes, but that is the kind of, I think, ethos that I would want to create for my business because I would want to encourage people to have families.
03:04:50.000 That sounds great.
03:04:51.000 Unless you have a business that's like barely getting by and you have an employee and that employee wants to not work for a year because they want to have a baby.
03:05:02.000 And you're like, what are the trade-offs?
03:05:05.000 Is the trade-off that you get to keep your career and my business is fucked because I have to pay you and you don't work?
03:05:09.000 Yeah.
03:05:10.000 But are these...
03:05:11.000 I mean, I think more and more of the big corporations are offering...
03:05:15.000 Big corporations.
03:05:16.000 Yeah.
03:05:16.000 They are offering this kind of stuff.
03:05:18.000 Well, that's great if you're like...
03:05:19.000 We saw the day in the life of a Twitter employee.
03:05:22.000 I don't think it should be mandatory.
03:05:23.000 Have you seen the day in the life of a Twitter employee video?
03:05:25.000 No.
03:05:26.000 I posted it.
03:05:26.000 Oh, well...
03:05:27.000 Go to Twitter.
03:05:28.000 I posted it today.
03:05:30.000 It's Libs of TikTok.
03:05:31.000 This girl who worked at Twitter posted how great it is to work at Twitter.
03:05:35.000 This is a day...
03:05:36.000 It's wild.
03:05:38.000 Because it's not a job.
03:05:39.000 Yeah.
03:05:40.000 I mean, you know the Project Veritas video where they caught this guy saying that he works four hours a month?
03:05:45.000 Oh, wow.
03:05:48.000 Or four hours a week or whatever it was.
03:05:50.000 I didn't understand why they needed so many people.
03:05:52.000 They don't.
03:05:52.000 But watch this.
03:05:53.000 Play this.
03:05:53.000 Play this.
03:05:54.000 Welcome to a day in my life as a Twitter employee.
03:05:58.000 So this past week went to SF for the first time at a Twitter office, badged in, honestly took a moment to just soak everything in.
03:06:06.000 What a blessing.
03:06:08.000 Also started my morning off with an iced matcha from the perch.
03:06:11.000 Then I had a meeting, so quickly scheduled one of these little pod rooms, which were so cool.
03:06:17.000 They're literally noise-canceling.
03:06:19.000 Took my meeting, got ready for a bunch.
03:06:21.000 Look how delicious this food looks.
03:06:24.000 Oh my goodness, I was so overwhelmed.
03:06:26.000 Then made my way down to this log cabin area.
03:06:29.000 I don't know what this is, but it was really cool.
03:06:32.000 Played some foosball with my friends to kind of unwind a bit.
03:06:37.000 Unwind.
03:06:37.000 Tough day.
03:06:38.000 Also found this really cool meditation room that I thought was super neat.
03:06:44.000 I didn't do any yoga, but they have this yoga room if you are a yogi.
03:06:48.000 So also thought that was really cool.
03:06:51.000 Had a couple more meetings in the afternoon.
03:06:53.000 Had a ton of projects that we needed to knock out.
03:06:55.000 Say hi to my teammates.
03:06:58.000 Went to the library to kind of get some more work done.
03:07:02.000 Obviously, had to have our afternoon coffee, so made some espresso.
03:07:06.000 And then before leaving for the day, had some red wine that's on tap.
03:07:12.000 Went up to the rooftop and just honestly enjoyed the beautiful weather.
03:07:17.000 So, awesome trip.
03:07:19.000 Wow.
03:07:21.000 Amazing.
03:07:22.000 She did one meeting.
03:07:23.000 That's a six-figure salary, kids.
03:07:25.000 You can be so lucky to have a job that doesn't really exist, and you get wine on tap, and you get espressos and green matcha tea, and you get to go to the meditation room because you've got to unwind.
03:07:35.000 Well, they can afford to give people a year off then because they clearly don't need them.
03:07:41.000 But I don't think it should be mandatory.
03:07:43.000 I just think it should be supported.
03:07:47.000 A year off?
03:07:48.000 Yeah.
03:07:48.000 Yeah.
03:07:49.000 Well, if it's a company like that, it's throwing money away.
03:07:52.000 Yeah.
03:07:53.000 Yeah.
03:07:54.000 I mean, I think a mother should...
03:07:56.000 I was back to work at six weeks, but I own my own business.
03:07:59.000 Right, right.
03:07:59.000 So, trade-offs.
03:08:01.000 Well, that's the thing, though.
03:08:02.000 Like, wouldn't...
03:08:03.000 Do you have the money to take a year off with your own business?
03:08:08.000 Um...
03:08:09.000 No.
03:08:10.000 So, would a business have the money to allow you to take a year off if they were an employee and they relied on you?
03:08:20.000 I would...
03:08:21.000 Would my business allow me to take a year off?
03:08:26.000 I feel like I could maybe do it, but I would probably have to fire someone.
03:08:31.000 Yeah.
03:08:32.000 And then there's the other thing.
03:08:33.000 It's like...
03:08:33.000 I'm not a big business.
03:08:35.000 Like, I'm not pulling in...
03:08:37.000 So big businesses should have enough money that they could afford to pay people even if they're not working?
03:08:43.000 I mean, isn't it supported by the government in places where it's supported?
03:08:48.000 Like in Germany?
03:08:50.000 Isn't the government supporting the women taking that year off?
03:08:54.000 So you think that's what should happen?
03:08:56.000 I think there should be some support.
03:08:58.000 Sure, but for how long?
03:09:00.000 Maybe a year's not enough.
03:09:02.000 No, just a year.
03:09:04.000 Do you know that at certain businesses, there's a business, I don't even want to say the name of the business, but my friend works at this business and they said that male employees get paternity leave of 18 months.
03:09:21.000 Male employees.
03:09:22.000 What do the females get?
03:09:23.000 Oh, I don't know.
03:09:24.000 I don't know, but male employees.
03:09:25.000 Six months.
03:09:26.000 So he was saying that, look, conceivably, I could knock my wife up once a year.
03:09:31.000 Not only that, but during that time, your colleagues, if they get raises and advances, you're not supposed to be denied those raises and advances.
03:09:42.000 Oh, wow.
03:09:43.000 So you're not working for 18 months.
03:09:45.000 You continue to get raises.
03:09:47.000 And if you knock up your wife again, Like a year later, you could have Irish twins, right?
03:09:51.000 A year later, knock up your wife again.
03:09:54.000 You keep getting money, keep getting raises.
03:09:56.000 All you have to do is keep having babies.
03:09:59.000 How do you support the family, though?
03:10:01.000 I mean, how do you support, not like your family, like the idea of having a family?
03:10:08.000 What do you mean?
03:10:10.000 I think part of the collapsing birth rates in particular in this country is that there's not much support for people to have families.
03:10:20.000 Right.
03:10:21.000 So how do we encourage people to have families and support them like childcare?
03:10:27.000 But I'm talking about the most ridiculous aspect.
03:10:30.000 Well, that's ridiculous.
03:10:32.000 I mean, I think my cousin, and I mentioned this last time in Germany, they get a year off and then he got nine months off, I think, the male gets.
03:10:42.000 Canada has a choice between 12 or 18 months.
03:10:44.000 Wow.
03:10:45.000 For everybody?
03:10:46.000 I think so.
03:10:47.000 So is it socialized?
03:10:50.000 They have socialized healthcare.
03:10:52.000 Is that government funded?
03:10:54.000 What jobs?
03:10:55.000 Like for all jobs?
03:10:56.000 So say if you work for a podcast studio in Canada.
03:11:01.000 In Austin.
03:11:03.000 In Canada.
03:11:03.000 Because this is not Canada.
03:11:06.000 And is this for the mail as well?
03:11:12.000 My friend was talking about how ridiculous it is.
03:11:13.000 They were saying, I get 18 months off.
03:11:16.000 Well, that's a lot.
03:11:17.000 18 months for the man.
03:11:18.000 Not for the woman.
03:11:19.000 For the man.
03:11:20.000 I need help.
03:11:21.000 I need help.
03:11:23.000 I mean...
03:11:24.000 Well, you get help.
03:11:24.000 The guy's not working.
03:11:25.000 18 months and he gets raises.
03:11:28.000 I would actually love that.
03:11:29.000 What if everybody does it?
03:11:30.000 What if the whole company's like, hey, Bob just got his wife pregnant.
03:11:34.000 That's all you have to do?
03:11:36.000 Parental benefits are paid for a maximum of 35 shared weeks plus five weeks of daddy days paid within a year of the birth or adoption of a child.
03:11:46.000 In 2022, the weekly benefit rate is 55% of the parents' average weekly insurable earnings up to a maximum of $638 a week before taxes.
03:11:56.000 That's not a lot.
03:11:57.000 Who pays for that?
03:11:59.000 The other one was Finland, I think.
03:12:02.000 You get 80% of your pay for 480 days.
03:12:05.000 Right, but is that mandated for private businesses or is that government employees?
03:12:08.000 I'm having a hard time getting that actual thing down.
03:12:11.000 Or is it the government just pays for everybody?
03:12:14.000 Ideally, it would be great if a woman could have a child and still have a career and give her enough time to recover and come back.
03:12:21.000 Sure.
03:12:22.000 Yeah.
03:12:23.000 But at what time?
03:12:25.000 You wouldn't want to come back in two years.
03:12:27.000 Two years you have a toddler.
03:12:28.000 You want to be home with a kid.
03:12:29.000 My first two months after having the baby, I was like, feminism was a mistake.
03:12:38.000 How long is paternity leave in the U.S.? In the majority of states across the country, expectant new fathers are entitled to a period of 12 weeks.
03:12:46.000 That's not it.
03:12:47.000 Unpaid.
03:12:48.000 Job secured paternity leave.
03:12:50.000 That's unpaid.
03:12:51.000 My husband didn't get, he had to take time off.
03:12:54.000 So that's states.
03:12:56.000 So that's state law.
03:12:57.000 Expectant parents are entitled.
03:13:00.000 But while time off is an expected right in the U.S., unpaid leave is simply too expensive for most families to afford.
03:13:07.000 However, California, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Rhode Island, motherfucking pop-ups.
03:13:13.000 New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Washington, Connecticut, and the District of Columbia have active paid parental leave policies.
03:13:20.000 Other states like Colorado and Oregon have this policy in view.
03:13:24.000 All those yet to come into effect.
03:13:26.000 Yeah, and you have to have a certain number of employees.
03:13:30.000 So my husband wasn't eligible because the business wasn't eligible because you have to have, I think, 50 employees or something like that.
03:13:38.000 So they figured once you have 50 employees, there's enough money rolling around that you can get to give people time off.
03:13:44.000 I mean, a month would have been nice.
03:13:46.000 It's nice.
03:13:47.000 Yeah, it would be great.
03:13:48.000 I didn't need much, but it's definitely...
03:13:50.000 I needed help with...
03:13:54.000 You need a lot of help when you have that new baby.
03:13:57.000 Federal employees receive 12 weeks of paid time off following childbirth or the placement of a child for adoption or foster care.
03:14:05.000 These employees must have worked 12 months in part-time or full-time role in federal service.
03:14:10.000 That's federal employees.
03:14:11.000 God, even that's not that much.
03:14:13.000 It's not that much.
03:14:15.000 No, not compared to other countries.
03:14:17.000 No, I was just...
03:14:18.000 You're just kind of...
03:14:19.000 That fourth trimester is really something I wish I had known more about before I... It was one of those things that they say, like, the fourth trimester is that first three months when you're postpartum, and it's gnarly.
03:14:32.000 You're, like, recovering.
03:14:33.000 You're trying to manage the baby.
03:14:35.000 And the baby's not sleeping, and you're not sleeping because the baby's not sleeping.
03:14:38.000 No, and colic.
03:14:40.000 I mean, God bless...
03:14:41.000 Anyone out there who had a child with colic, you only know if you know, but that was so...
03:14:47.000 Explain colic to people.
03:14:49.000 So it's inconsolable.
03:14:51.000 There's actually like a rule of threes.
03:14:53.000 I'm writing a whole piece about it because it was so mind-blowing.
03:14:56.000 But it's inconsolable crying for no apparent reason.
03:15:00.000 The baby is okay.
03:15:01.000 They're healthy.
03:15:02.000 A lot of people say it's witching hour, but colic is specific in that they say it's the rule of threes.
03:15:11.000 More than three hours of crying a day Three, at least three days a week for at least three weeks.
03:15:17.000 And if your baby's doing that, then they probably have colic.
03:15:21.000 And my child started crying around four weeks.
03:15:26.000 And that's generally around when it will start or appear.
03:15:29.000 And just it was like six weeks of it.
03:15:32.000 And it's hours of crying?
03:15:34.000 Hours.
03:15:35.000 Hours.
03:15:36.000 And you comfort them?
03:15:37.000 And there's no consolation.
03:15:39.000 It's so heartbreaking as a new parent.
03:15:41.000 It's like, I don't know how...
03:15:44.000 First of all, any single parent out there, male, female, who's doing this, I don't know how you do it.
03:15:50.000 You deserve awards and accolades.
03:15:52.000 And I don't know how anyone single does this because I could not have done it.
03:15:58.000 I mean, maybe I could have, but it was...
03:16:01.000 My husband and I had to tag out.
03:16:04.000 The piece I'm writing, when I went down the rabbit hole of colic, I was like, oh my god, they use inconsolable crying babies in Guantanamo to train the operatives to resist torture,
03:16:20.000 essentially.
03:16:21.000 And that's one of the things they were using.
03:16:23.000 How do they do that?
03:16:24.000 They would play crying babies.
03:16:26.000 They play recordings of babies crying inconsolably for hours.
03:16:30.000 But that's not the same as an actual baby, especially a baby that's yours.
03:16:33.000 I know.
03:16:34.000 But it still drives people insane.
03:16:37.000 It's still something that drives people crazy.
03:16:41.000 Oh, so you're saying they do that instead of torture?
03:16:44.000 Yeah, they do it.
03:16:46.000 It's one of the things they use as torture to train these people to resist it.
03:16:52.000 I see what you're saying.
03:16:52.000 Because I'm like, this is crazy.
03:16:56.000 We would have to take shifts and every night you get anxious.
03:17:01.000 And it's hard as a new parent because you don't...
03:17:05.000 You feel like a failure.
03:17:06.000 You're just like, I... But I also think it's kind of a good hazing into parenthood where you're like, there's some things that are just out of my control.
03:17:15.000 But it's a whole thing.
03:17:17.000 I didn't know what it was and I'd heard about it and then people in my life who had had it were like, I said something on Twitter and someone was like, I was like, anyone have any suggestions?
03:17:29.000 And someone was like, I read this to my husband and he shuddered.
03:17:34.000 People who dealt with it have PTSD from it because it's so disturbing just day after day.
03:17:40.000 That was hard.
03:17:44.000 That was definitely a fourth trimester.
03:17:47.000 And thank God, and my husband was around at night, so thank God.
03:17:52.000 The shift of who you are as a person after you have a child is very dramatic, physical, psychological, emotional.
03:18:01.000 It's in your DNA. There's a shift.
03:18:05.000 And that's why people freak out about people who don't have children trying to come up with ideas for what should happen to children.
03:18:12.000 Yeah.
03:18:14.000 Yeah, yeah.
03:18:15.000 I mean, Mama Bear definitely is a real thing, despite what they might say.
03:18:20.000 Oh, yeah.
03:18:20.000 It's real.
03:18:21.000 I understand.
03:18:23.000 That's what I was saying at the beginning.
03:18:24.000 I just have eaten so much humble pie.
03:18:26.000 There's so many people in my life.
03:18:28.000 I was so...
03:18:30.000 It's so cliche.
03:18:32.000 Like, I was so self-centered.
03:18:33.000 And when I was pregnant, I'm like, why didn't I listen?
03:18:36.000 And sure, it wasn't applicable to me, but why didn't I pay attention when my sisters and sister-in-laws and all of my relatives and cousins were talking about what they went through when they had their child, you know, whether they had a C-section or a vaginal birth?
03:18:51.000 I just I know they told me these stories and I was just not paying attention at all.
03:18:57.000 And now and then I was like, tell me all your stories.
03:18:59.000 I need everything.
03:19:00.000 And on Instagram at night with Pregziety, just trying to calm myself down and feeling really like just a piece of shit.
03:19:14.000 Just a piece of shit.
03:19:16.000 Because in so many ways, I really was just like that cliché Jen exer who kind of was apathetic about all of it and was like, whatever, you don't know until you know.
03:19:27.000 And I know that I can take a nap.
03:19:30.000 And it's like, there's nothing like it.
03:19:33.000 Nothing like it.
03:19:34.000 There's nothing like it.
03:19:35.000 Well, I look forward to your new perspectives.
03:19:38.000 I'm looking forward to your writing and it's just a new way you approach things in your podcast because whenever someone encounters just a radical change in the way they see the world, it's always fascinating for people whose opinions I value and for people that have unique perspectives.
03:19:57.000 I wrote this piece, I Regret Being a Slut, recently, and it went huge.
03:20:02.000 And it's tapped into something.
03:20:04.000 And people were like, oh, this is because you had a baby.
03:20:07.000 And I'm like, no, I was regretting it before I had kids.
03:20:11.000 But I wanted to say, it was something...
03:20:14.000 There was one of your bits that you used to do all the time, and I'm not sure if you...
03:20:18.000 No, I don't do that bit anymore.
03:20:19.000 It was about being a slut.
03:20:20.000 And every time you did it, I would be like, I had to leave once and go to the bathroom when you're doing it.
03:20:25.000 Because I felt so...
03:20:27.000 I was like, what is coming up for me?
03:20:29.000 I had to talk to my therapist about it.
03:20:31.000 I'm like, there's this bit, and every time he does it, I'm like, and we talked through it, and it was that that was coming up, was like this regret about being a slut that I didn't feel like, culturally, I should have.
03:20:45.000 There's so much like, slut walk, and like, be a proud slut, and just that is the culture that I came up in, free the nipple we talked about.
03:20:54.000 A lot of the choices I made where I felt so much shame and regret about.
03:21:02.000 And I just want to say thank you for that bit.
03:21:08.000 Because that was kind of the beginning of being able to crack.
03:21:12.000 Because I'm not like one of those people who sees something in comedy that I don't like and I'm like, you're an asshole!
03:21:17.000 If something comes up for me, I'm like, oh, that's interesting.
03:21:21.000 What's that reaction all about?
03:21:23.000 And I ended up writing this piece because Louise Perry wrote a book, The Case Against Sexual Revolution, and it kind of framed what I had been feeling, and it's brilliant.
03:21:35.000 I think she's so brave for even writing it because there is—I feel like there is a lot of us, like, geriatrics— Or maybe later millennials, some Gen Xers who came up through the sexual revolution and were sold this idea of like,
03:21:51.000 you can have sex like a guy and there's no consequence.
03:21:56.000 And we're coming back and we're like, it's a trap!
03:21:59.000 Go back!
03:22:00.000 Well, you know, the weird thing that happened was the birth control pill.
03:22:04.000 Yeah.
03:22:05.000 Technology.
03:22:06.000 With many...
03:22:07.000 There's many things that were weird about it.
03:22:09.000 And one of the weird ones is it convinced your body that you were pregnant.
03:22:13.000 Yeah.
03:22:14.000 Which is really wild.
03:22:15.000 It is.
03:22:15.000 That we...
03:22:16.000 I mean...
03:22:19.000 The fact that, you know, we're talking about introducing hormones into a person's body, introducing hormones on a regular basis to a giant swath of the female population, it shifts the way you view people, the way you see things,
03:22:34.000 everything.
03:22:35.000 You view the world in a different way.
03:22:37.000 And they've done studies that shows that it changes how a woman is attracted to different men.
03:22:42.000 Oh, wow.
03:22:43.000 I've never heard that.
03:22:44.000 I hated the pill.
03:22:46.000 I hated it.
03:22:46.000 It made me insane.
03:22:49.000 A guy that I know, his daughter died from blood clots when she was on the pill.
03:22:55.000 Was she smoking?
03:22:56.000 Yes.
03:22:57.000 Oh, they warn you about that.
03:22:58.000 Yeah.
03:22:59.000 Smoking and the pill, there's something about the combination of the two.
03:23:04.000 Wow, that's horrific.
03:23:05.000 Yeah.
03:23:05.000 Yeah, no, I hated it.
03:23:07.000 Every time I went on it, I was a lunatic.
03:23:09.000 I hated it.
03:23:10.000 I hated the way it made me feel.
03:23:12.000 I never really liked it, but it unyoked sex from consequence for the first time, and In human history.
03:23:20.000 Yeah.
03:23:21.000 And like I said in this piece, I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
03:23:25.000 I like being able to have a job and buy a house.
03:23:28.000 Feminism is good.
03:23:29.000 But this aspect of the sexual revolution in particular, I feel like has left a lot of women feeling empty and like something is missing and that they've been sold a bit of a lie years down the road when...
03:23:46.000 Do you think it's like a thing like why do men get to live life like this?
03:23:50.000 Well, they are free of consequences.
03:23:52.000 Why can't I live like this?
03:23:54.000 And then people just sort of reinforce that.
03:23:57.000 I mean, Louise Perry was funny when she came on my podcast.
03:24:00.000 She said, if you want to get mad at someone for being a misogynist, get mad at Mother Nature.
03:24:07.000 Wow.
03:24:08.000 Yeah, she's brilliant.
03:24:09.000 And I think her book gave people like me who felt that way.
03:24:14.000 Like I was saying, hers is pretty academic.
03:24:17.000 And I was saying in my piece, like...
03:24:20.000 The conversation was a little bit like, those sluts over there!
03:24:25.000 And that book affected me in the part where you say who the book is for.
03:24:35.000 Again, mom brain.
03:24:37.000 She said, for the women who learn the hard way, and I read it and I just burst into tears.
03:24:42.000 It just made, I mean, pregnancy hormones too, but...
03:24:46.000 That, to me, I learned the hard way.
03:24:48.000 You know, there's, and the emails I've got from people from that piece, women and men, gay men, It's been really crazy, like really overwhelming actually and remarkable just how much of an actual body count there is in this wake.
03:25:07.000 How much do you love writing?
03:25:10.000 I do.
03:25:10.000 And that's probably one of the reasons why you love writing, that you could write a piece and it can have this sort of profound effect where people do, they read and it resonates with how they feel about stuff.
03:25:25.000 I love it for two reasons.
03:25:27.000 That being one, because I've really been thinking a lot about the why of why I do things.
03:25:33.000 I love podcasting because I love connecting to people.
03:25:36.000 I love comedy because I love hearing people laugh.
03:25:40.000 It's like making my daughter laugh is the best thing in the entire world.
03:25:45.000 And laughter is just so contagious and healing.
03:25:48.000 And I love writing because a lot of the time I don't...
03:25:52.000 There's some wisdom in my fingers and I don't always know where I'm going with the piece.
03:25:57.000 It took me years to write that piece.
03:25:59.000 I regret being a slut.
03:26:00.000 I was going to write it back in 2018 and I couldn't...
03:26:12.000 Yeah.
03:26:19.000 Right.
03:26:21.000 And people need space to do that.
03:26:23.000 They need to be able to work out their ideas, have their ideas challenged.
03:26:27.000 And writing is where I get to sit down and really try and be thoughtful about a lot of the information that I might have been taking in.
03:26:37.000 And yeah, there is still something that is resonant about it.
03:26:41.000 And I like the idea that it's kind of like time traveling.
03:26:43.000 Like somebody could read that and I'd be dead.
03:26:46.000 And they'd be brought back to another time.
03:26:48.000 That's how reading always feels to me.
03:26:51.000 You can go into science fiction or the future or the past.
03:26:54.000 Yeah.
03:26:55.000 So yeah, I think of all the things I do, that one comes the most naturally.
03:27:01.000 But that's why I'm excited to have started like Substack where I feel like I can lean into that more.
03:27:07.000 It forces me to produce stuff.
03:27:10.000 No, that's awesome.
03:27:11.000 Bridget, I appreciate you very much.
03:27:13.000 I love you.
03:27:13.000 You're awesome.
03:27:13.000 I love you to death.
03:27:14.000 Thank you.
03:27:15.000 Tell people how they can watch your stuff, read your stuff.
03:27:19.000 You can find me on Substack, Bridget Phetasy.
03:27:22.000 You can find me on YouTube.
03:27:23.000 Please, everybody, go subscribe to my YouTube channel and prove these people wrong.
03:27:29.000 It's at Phetasy.
03:27:31.000 And Dumpster Fire's there.
03:27:33.000 You can find my podcast, Walk-Ins Welcome, anywhere podcasts are available.
03:27:38.000 And you can find me on Twitter and now Instagram.
03:27:42.000 I see you're on Instagram.
03:27:43.000 Yeah, I'm on Instagram.
03:27:44.000 I'm on Twitter now, too.
03:27:45.000 Oh, you're back.
03:27:46.000 I'm back.
03:27:47.000 I'm posting now that it's free.
03:27:48.000 Hell yeah.
03:27:49.000 Comedy's now legal on Twitter.
03:27:50.000 Woohoo!
03:27:50.000 Elon Musk.
03:27:51.000 Woo!
03:27:52.000 Bye, everybody.
03:27:53.000 Bye.