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00:00:34.000So do you, is that not your usual, your norm?
00:00:36.000Not usually, but I kind of did it in September to get ready for October to just like get my body conditioned to this idea that we're going at it every day.
00:00:46.000Do you guys have like a contest of like who burns the most calories or something?
00:02:07.000The key is to, like, not have a way out.
00:02:09.000And one of the things about this contest thing, or, well, this Sober October thing wasn't a contest, but we had to do a 500-calorie workout every day.
00:03:40.000And then some people do have some weird sort of psychological thing where they're tensed up and their back is fucked up and it's all in their mind.
00:03:48.000Well, I've definitely had in the middle of an argument with a family member, all of a sudden my neck just starts locking down my shoulder blade.
00:03:56.000It's like a specific area with a specific familial...
00:08:25.000Yeah, it's interesting seeing even people that were like hardcore vaccine advocates that are now saying if they had known that it didn't stop transmission, it didn't stop infection, and it only lasted X amount of months, they wouldn't have done it.
00:09:01.000Like, the reason that they got that approval is so it, like, covers their asses for some long game liability if there's side effects to it.
00:09:45.000It's, but yeah, that, it's probably part of it.
00:09:48.000There's probably some sort of legal reason why they're doing it.
00:09:51.000Well, I'm just kind of, I think it's interesting, you know, now that there's this like, you know, amnesty thing with COVID, like trying to just be like, let's just all say we're sorry.
00:10:01.000And, you know, like people had to watch their dying loved ones pass on their iPhones and shit.
00:10:10.000And like, I'm not, I'm not, like, I don't know.
00:10:40.000You know, there's so many people that had such a high level of anxiety already.
00:10:45.000And then COVID came along, and that was just overwhelming for them to deal with this existential threat that you can't control that's everywhere and it's invisible.
00:10:55.000I mean, they had all the elements that you needed to really freak people out that were already frayed.
00:11:00.000And some people just aren't that resilient.
00:13:44.000Well there's a whole you know there's a whole agenda you know anti-health like if you're if you're if you go to the gym and you're into eating well or eating carnivore you must be a racist Republican.
00:13:56.000You know, like, there's a whole identity attached to it.
00:15:35.000Like, something about being obese uniquely targeted people for COVID. It's something about this particular virus, the way it affected obese people.
00:15:45.000Which is, like, 78% at one point in time of the people in the ICU that were obese.
00:16:24.000So it shows that SARS-CoV-2 can infect human fat tissue.
00:16:27.000This phenomenon was seen in laboratory experiments conducted on fat tissue, excised from patients undergoing bariatric and cardiac surgeries, and later infected in a laboratory dish with SARS-CoV-2.
00:18:47.000Yeah, and I did a food intolerance test and I learned all these things, but canola oil was a hugely irritating thing because I always have fucking stomachaches.
00:19:55.000Whenever you do that, I had a salad the other day and I was like, I know I'm going to hate this because I know they probably put some whack-ass dressing in it.
00:20:02.000And then after I ate, I was like, yup, there it is.
00:20:59.000Like they have this IgG scale that they run 200 or 300 different, the test I did, different foods against your blood, like my blood, not just my blood type.
00:24:22.000I think that he just maybe said that when it was overheard on the 911. Either way, whatever that is, the way that the news is presented, the way that they talk about this, and then they try to thread in all the other things that are part of their case against Democrats against Republicans,
00:25:57.000And the way that, you know, people are running rampant with their emotions and ruining their lives as well as others, you know, is so dangerous.
00:26:15.000Want to be able to have conversations and also be wrong and be, like, scientifically told that I'm incorrect, you know, around all of this stuff.
00:27:22.000You know, we're a fucking very strange species.
00:27:26.000We're very easily influenced and malleable, and we're also very hard-lined, and when we believe something, we want other people to believe it.
00:38:25.000I want better TV. Yeah, that's going to be fucked.
00:38:29.000TV's going to be fucked, but it'll pick up on streamers.
00:38:31.000Netflix will have more options and Amazon and places like that.
00:38:36.000Yeah, but that's kind of the problem too in that way that the same thing that happened to the music industry is happening to the TV industry because everything's streamed and it's basically free.
00:40:52.000Yeah, there's still good stuff out there.
00:40:56.000Yeah, I don't want to be such a naysayer.
00:40:58.000And there's more to discover, I'm sure.
00:41:01.000But I've really enjoyed like these, like we've been watching all these 90s movies like The Last of the Mohicans and we went through The Fugitive, The Firm.
00:41:15.000Couple of Tom Cruise, other Tom Cruise movies.
00:41:19.000I just, like, the acting was better, the storylines were better for the most part.
00:41:24.000Unless you're doing an action film like Point Break or something.
00:41:27.000Like, I was amazed at how bad that was.
00:41:31.000Like, why are you going to jump out of the airplane with the guys that you know want to kill you and they packed your parachute but you're getting in there anyway?
00:41:39.000I don't even remember that movie very well.
00:44:25.000You know, Nick and I were talking about this the other day, like in conjunction with Navy SEALs and highly trained operatives and, you know, lethal weapons among us, like think about all the former spies that like the gray man,
00:44:42.000like have aged out of their profession but are still among us that could like...
00:47:12.000I mean, what a big fat disappointment in having to make a show, but you've got to make sure you check all these political boxes so that you manipulate a storyline instead of just telling a good story.
00:47:29.000There's just all kinds of insertions of agenda and...
00:47:34.000That just takes away from watching a good movie or a good show.
00:47:38.000Yeah, they just feel like they have to include diversity and certain groups have to be represented.
00:47:46.000It's not what a story is supposed to be about.
00:47:48.000You should have as many stories from as many different perspectives as possible, but that doesn't mean...
00:47:53.000You should fuck with someone's idea just because you want to add in a gay character or a black woman character or an Asian character.
00:49:02.000This James Lindsay stuff, like, really, it blows my mind and then makes me so sad, is that, like, objective reality is cancelled out by your local narratives, and, like, if you, you know, if I say this red skull is green,
00:49:19.000then it's green, you know, and that's it.
00:49:21.000You have to agree it's green, or there's some problem.
00:49:24.000Or just, like, getting, you know, tremendously upset about a headline that Because you read it, and then you believe that this thing is true, but you know nothing about it.
00:49:37.000And it could be about Bill Murray being an asshole or whatever.
00:49:40.000I really care about that stuff right now.
00:49:42.000I care about how it's affected my life and mistakes I've made in thought around bandwagon emotions.
00:49:49.000I'm so disappointed in myself for when I've done that.
00:50:01.000A lot of the BLM stuff was so intense and so emotional.
00:50:13.000I read Tahanasi Coates' book, Between the World and Me, and then I read Douglas Murray, who gives you a totally different context on Coates' version of the world, which is really harsh and,
00:51:10.000Now we're so aware of each other's differences in skin color, whereas I just care about if you're a good person or not.
00:51:18.000I just care about what kind of people we are.
00:51:21.000And this is where I'm not trying to start a fight with anybody.
00:51:27.000I want to understand what is real and what has been a narrative that's pushed on me to manipulate my emotions and push me to make choices that I don't understand.
00:51:40.000Well, the wildest thing about the BLM thing is there's always overcorrections, right?
00:51:45.000There's always, like, things that we recognize are giant problems in this country.
00:52:23.000The problem is it also becomes something that people barter in.
00:52:28.000Whenever you have an issue that's a cultural issue, you can have people that are essentially mercenaries that use whatever that cultural issue is for their own personal gain.
00:52:40.000That's one of the things that people saw with BLM was where all the money went.
00:52:58.000But the problem is whenever you have any sort of charitable organization, you have people that are actually being paid by the organization.
00:53:48.000I want to read and have my own life experiences and talk to people if they want to share something with me so I can understand your perspective.
00:54:05.000I know people that work really hard and get to the places they want to be in life or keep trying to get to the place they want to be in life, whether it's your career or being a good person or being a good mother, father, husband, wife.
00:54:21.000To say, like, you have an advantage because you're a man and I have a disadvantage because I'm a woman is bullshit.
00:54:28.000I mean, like, I get where sometimes that would make sense, like, if we were talking UFC. But, like, that kind of stuff, like...
00:54:41.000I've been the only woman on a bill more times than I could ever count.
00:54:47.000That's just been in the way for a while.
00:54:51.000And then you start seeing more female artists and they're really, really good.
00:54:55.000But I don't think they were given that position because they're women.
00:54:58.000I think they were given the spot on the bill because their music is awesome.
00:55:31.000There's a prejudice amongst men that some women aren't funny.
00:55:36.000Yeah, and then it's like, what do they talk about?
00:55:39.000Look, if a woman's on stage talking about politics, good luck.
00:55:42.000It's hard not for a man to talk about politics, but when women talk about politics, again, there's a certain percentage of the male population in particular that don't want to fucking hear it.
00:56:39.000You're probably mad and you're probably trying to attribute all sorts of external reasons as to why you're not as successful as other people.
00:56:49.000But then there's always going to be people who rise.
00:56:51.000And most people will look at those people that do rise and see, especially if those people are very dedicated and they worked hard, they go, well, there's obviously a merit to that.
00:58:14.000But with that said, I had those feelings of...
00:58:21.000Like a lot of sadness around it for a little while and just like defeat and I felt really sorry for myself and then I've been learning logic which is a you know recording production program and it's so fun and I love it and I'm getting better and better at it and just finding like re-empowering myself with the things I can control.
00:58:42.000But the things like filling a room across the country.
00:58:47.000I'm in the torso part of the music industry, club area where I could do okay if it were the old days where people were always coming out.
00:58:58.000But for some reason, the last year, they just weren't.
00:59:45.000And if my music explodes into the universe, great.
00:59:50.000And if I just keep getting to do what I'm doing, that's great too.
00:59:54.000But performing is kind of like, I don't know.
01:00:03.000Performing and seeing live performances feels essential to me.
01:00:07.000You need to go out there and do your thing.
01:00:11.000Well, once you experience it and experience that sort of transcendent moment of the whole crowd vibing with a song and really enjoying it, those are beautiful moments in life.
01:00:22.000And the people that don't get to see them, maybe they forget or maybe they haven't experienced it.
01:00:28.000But it enhances your life in a very unique way.
01:00:31.000And musicians like yourself and so many others, they provide a thing that if you guys didn't provide it, the world would be less fun.
01:01:22.000Okay, so you got to write the songs, and you got to record them and make them fucking awesome, and then you got to make sure you're doing TikTok, and keeping up on the stuff.
01:02:18.000That's sort of where I feel a little disheartened by that stuff.
01:02:23.000Well, it's the good aspect of no one curating things.
01:02:27.000The good aspect of not having executives in charge is that people fuck up and they do things that aren't entertaining or they're needy or whatever.
01:04:26.000I think I posted one thing that was, I can't remember, but it was like a logical thing about the vaccine of like, well, if I can still get COVID and spread COVID, why do I need the vaccine?
01:04:36.000I think that's all you need to do to get put on a list.
01:04:38.000But there's other cities where I've been able to geotarget and boost my posts.
01:04:42.000So for some reason, it just wouldn't let me.
01:04:53.000I don't know what the fuck the behind-the-scenes stuff is.
01:04:58.000Elon posted on Twitter that people that have had their accounts removed and they're trying to get them back, they're not going to be able to do it for a while because they're going through the code.
01:05:06.000They brought in a bunch of Tesla engineers to go over the code.
01:06:34.000Well, I'm making new music and taking more control from the actual recording side of things so I don't need to depend on other people to make music.
01:06:52.000I recorded the track with Elijah Ford and J.J. Johnson, his drummer and bass player, who are fucking awesome.
01:06:59.000And, you know, Gary's working on his record right now, so I don't want to bother him too much, but we, like, made a track, which is awesome.
01:07:07.000I could play you what we have, but I really just want to send it to you in its full form.
01:10:31.000Well, I mean, you know, when you moved here, like, wasn't Austin only locked down for like three months and then they were just back up and running?
01:12:48.000That people weren't in captured with the fucking angst that LA and fucking the fog.
01:12:53.000I mean, you still have it here, but it's in these little pockets.
01:12:57.000It's cute when you see people walking on the street with a mask on.
01:13:00.000I was at a grocery store in a neighborhood the other day and there was like 10 people with masks in the grocery store and I was like, what the fuck's going on here?
01:14:06.000I mean, one of the reasons why I got really into fiction recently, and I've been reading all these Gray Man books and all these fiction books, is because it's escapism.
01:14:42.000But listen, I don't think nonfiction is just escapism.
01:14:45.000Like, nonfiction reinvigorates your vocabulary, your own creativity.
01:14:50.000It gives you a boost of a story, you know?
01:14:55.000And I actually use that as, like, if I'm really depressed or I'm super anxious and I can't hold a thought, I set a timer and I make myself read a book for, like, 20 minutes.
01:17:29.000It's actually, you know, kind of ironic because it's about the old gods versus the new gods and the new gods are like the god of TV and the gods of cell phones and like, you know, technology.
01:17:42.000I mean, it's a fictional book about gods living among us, but the old gods have lost their, like they're dying because they're not, no one cares about them anymore.
01:20:05.000Now, there's a cool, there's a couple, I think if there's one big YouTube channel, this guy, like, buys the most expensive puzzle you can find.
01:21:42.000Working on lyrics as well as instrumental, it all starts to like piece together and sometimes old ideas from years ago that I've saved, I'll like Frankenstein a song together and it'll make sense, kind of like a fucking puzzle.
01:26:43.000the big record you know the first one like he has that that malleability to be able to do that you know um i mean i guess everybody does you can make whatever kind of music you want yeah you know but he you know what he does is he goes off grid and he got rid of his phone and he has a one of them simple phones now that's awesome all you can do is text him and it's only green yeah he can't get links It's only green.
01:27:23.000But, you know, that's the new punk rock I guess.
01:27:27.000Well, there's a lot of people out there that are realizing that your brain is being captured by all these different things that are on your device, and it does occupy a lot of your time.
01:28:59.000That's what those things are supposed to be for.
01:29:01.000Sharing actual real moments with people you actually care about.
01:29:05.000The problem with social media is that it's intoxicating, and people get drunk off of it, and they just want to be dosed all throughout the day.
01:29:15.000Well, I mean, man, I'll tell you what.
01:29:22.000I grew up in the 90s, and you would compare yourself to a magazine or something, or the popular girls at school, or whatever the fuck.
01:29:33.000And now, like, every reflection of your face is on something that you can manipulate and look better on your phone, and you can change, like, your bone structure.
01:29:54.000I was talking with the guys outside about spelling, you know, that we're just suited up for so many bad spellers.
01:30:03.000And, you know, because you have your autocorrect on your phone and you don't really write things out, like on a piece of paper with a pencil or a pen.
01:30:13.000One of the things that people realized about AI and recognizing problem words and flagging things, if you write in cursive, AI doesn't pick that up.
01:31:22.000You tell me this is a dream But I'm grinding my teeth And spilling my cup in the backseat And pulling your hair You drive too slow Cause you don't care if we get there Will we ever get there?
01:31:49.000Sometimes I just wish that you would spin out and lose your mind cause it's honest and it's all I ever wanted from you.
01:32:18.000Go to sleep and make things easy on you But I'm not tired anyway And I don't wanna waste your day Or make your mistakes Or make your mistakes Sometimes I just wish that you would spin out And lose
01:32:49.000your mind cause it's honest And it's all I ever wanted I can't take the question marks in quiet You can run me down like a riot Anything but the silence from you From you...
01:33:36.000Sometimes I just wish that you would spin out And lose your mind cause it's honest And it's all I ever wanted I can't take the question marks in quiet You can run me down like a riot Anything but the silence New
01:36:30.000I know what you paid You paid it in spades Pain like a hurricane Ruthless and devastated But you're upright and well Since crawling through hell Time
01:39:33.000There's things that happen in our lives and you get into that thing and then it changes who you are.
01:39:40.000Well, you know, I was a teen model, and then I was an actor, and I was a working actor.
01:39:45.000And I had, like, I lived in New York, and I moved to LA when I was almost 20. And I was doing pretty well in New York.
01:39:53.000And then when I got to LA, I had to get to the back of the line of the acting world, and I... And my love for it had changed into desperation because I wanted to work.
01:40:27.000You are employed by a company and a director and a writer and all the things that, like, you embody the thing, but it's not necessarily yours in a way.
01:42:30.000Like, you're not, like, I mean, obviously, like, I'm sure you kept learning more about it as you did it, but, like, you know, like, committing to this story that's in front of you and, like, becoming this thing, like...
01:42:43.000Yeah, well, my point was that it wasn't something that I was interested in doing.
01:42:47.000It was something that was offered to me.
01:43:47.000And then, because of all the aforementioned problems that they had with it, and then right after that, that show gets canned, and then I get on news radio.
01:43:54.000And I'm like, oh my god, this is like the greatest show.
01:44:25.000Like, because I had some money, I didn't worry about not having any money for food or rent or shit like that, which is like the real heavy expense.
01:44:32.000The heavy thing over people's head is like their credit card debt, whatever debt they have.
01:44:36.000And I remember when I first started making money, the first thing that I noticed was the lightness Life had a lightness to it because the stress of bills were off.
01:44:46.000I was like, wow, how much is that weight you're carrying around your shoulders all the time?
01:44:50.000Because it felt like physically, I felt like a weight was lifted off of me.
01:44:59.000Sometimes, too, like, that's like a spiritual practice, too.
01:45:03.000Like, you have to get out of that struggle mindset.
01:45:06.000Because, like, think about, like, people that win the lottery and then spend it all in six months and go right back to where they were.
01:45:11.000Like, it is, it's energy, you know, and it's acceptance and having a really interesting relationship with With yourself and what you view as needs, you know, like you think you need like I need that car.
01:45:45.000But even, you know, there's stuff that people enjoy about wealth, but it's generally not worth the amount of effort that you have to apply to get those things.
01:45:56.000What really is valuable is the things that you enjoy that make you happy.
01:46:01.000Whether it's fly fishing or whether it's fucking...
01:46:44.000I don't know like you outgrow it and then you're like what are you gonna be like that old guy who's like you know on his boat with all the women like I am where does it go where do you go to the south of France with a diamond encrusted watch and you know you showing everybody what you have like what are you doing?
01:47:03.000Well, there's that contemplate your death thing again.
01:47:06.000It's nice to set up your family and make sure everybody's okay and provided for.
01:47:11.000And it is freedom, but also it'll tear families apart.
01:47:22.000Like family money, like if there's like some dude who owns some oil company and he's dying and all the family starts fighting over how much, you know, they're trying to get closer to dad and, you know, you know what she's been saying behind your back and like, what?
01:47:38.000Yeah, people are nuts when it comes to money and money.
01:47:42.000I've seen it with the saddest ones when someone dies and the family's fighting with the boyfriend of the person who died or the girlfriend.
01:48:25.000I mean, when I was in Honey Honey, we would do months and months and months of touring and I would come back in the hole because it costs so much money to be out there.
01:48:37.000But you're having this great experience and you're spreading your work and you get to do your work.
01:48:43.000You're not starving, but you don't have your own apartment.
01:48:51.000And I had to work really hard emotionally and spiritually on my relationship with my struggle as an artist.
01:48:59.000And then getting over it, when I toured with Hosier, I was in his band, and that was the first time in my life, I made really nice money in that band.
01:49:13.000And it set me up for my record, and it was the first time I really didn't worry, and that was only three years ago.
01:50:44.000There's people that can just sell everything everywhere.
01:50:47.000But Roger came up in a very different time.
01:50:51.000Even if you weren't Pink Floyd and you weren't Roger, you could still make a ton of money in some ways, depending on who you were and what kind of music you were playing, with one song.
01:51:26.000I used to download all that shit and then fry my Dell computer with viruses because you'd get a clue on what's the new download service.
01:51:35.000I remember all these tricks to override my computer so I could just burn that CD. Wow.
01:51:43.000Yeah, I remember the Napster days and I remember like having like a personal agreement with myself that if I got something from Napster and it was good, I'd go buy the CD. Yeah.
01:53:53.000Like if we can remember what it was like in the beginning days, because in the beginning days when everything was shutting down and we didn't know how long it was going to last and whether or not anything would come back to normal again.
01:54:02.000There was this importance of what actually matters.
01:57:31.000So Tom Segura, Christina Pazitsky, Tony Hinchcliffe, Derek Poston, David Lucas, Hans Kim, William Montgomery, you know, Ron White, Duncan Trussell.
02:02:01.000And also, again, the more I stay away from my phone and all that stuff that takes away from my own agency and my person and just sit back and look around, I'm very lucky and I'm very grateful.
02:04:27.000Because you're programming your mind to create songs.
02:04:31.000I also do this thing, like, when there's a burgeoning confrontation on the horizon that needs to be had with somebody, I am having the conversation in my half-sleep, like in the wee hours of the morning, and it is like...
02:05:09.000Because if you could just go to sleep whenever you have like real conflicts going on, if they didn't bother you enough, maybe you'd never resolve them.
02:06:37.000And lately I've been so aware of my lineage, like my family tree, and like my parents, my grandparents, my great-grandparents, and me, and then, you know, my stepdaughter.
02:06:50.000And, you know, if we have more kids, like where I sit in this line of generational personalities and habits and where I see the mistakes and where I want to make corrections.
02:08:34.000Like, he married my grandmother, who was an excellent cook, and all the money he had from being a bookie, they built these restaurants in Cleveland with my grandma's recipes.
02:09:32.000He got inspired by somebody to finally tell us what he, like, to tell his family.
02:09:38.000And he took a year doing voice recordings with his sister, I'm pretty sure it was my Aunt Rita, to tell a story.
02:09:47.000And then, like, one day when I was in L.A. when I was 22, I got this book in the mail, and it was his, like, he gave it to our family so we could all know about What his experience in World War II was in being a prisoner of war.
02:10:15.000And then by the end of his life, he really wanted to talk about it more and more in greater detail.
02:10:20.000But he carried one of his friends during that 82-day march because I can't remember where they were moving them, but it was, you know, like you walk for 82 days, like you can't stop to take a shit or pee, like you just, like,
02:10:35.000he had dysentery, he had lice, like he was filthy.
02:11:29.000But his old friend was, like, I remember, I think it was, like, I don't want to butcher this, but I think it was his friend, Mr. Dragonetti.
02:11:39.000They were friends until their very old age, and they had this experience together, this horrible experience.
02:11:49.000But not to ramble on unless you want to hear more about it, I'm just so amazed at that experience.
02:11:56.000Sacrifice and courage and bravery and and just fortune to survive and then have a life after that and then I think about Somebody posting their fucking video about working too long at Starbucks And I'm like fuck you.
02:12:12.000Fuck your fucking feelings You're gonna be fine, you know people are very soft they are But there's that expression, I'd love to repeat it, that the worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you.
02:12:37.000If you had a horrible life experience like your grandfather did, you'd have a completely different perspective about what's important in life.
02:12:44.000Because that would be like the worst thing you could possibly imagine.
02:13:00.000You know, I used to feel really strongly about And I still feel like this to a degree, but I used to feel really strongly about other people's experiences being really difficult for them.
02:13:12.000Like, what's the worst for you is the worst for you.
02:13:14.000And being like, man, that must be really hard for you.
02:13:17.000Not sorry, but like, I don't think that's a big deal, but it's a big deal for you or whoever you is.
02:13:25.000But at this point, the reckless, flagrant emotions and encouragement to be soft and not grow from your journey and learn from your suffering, the encouragement to exploit your suffering is so foul to me.
02:13:43.000You know, like, there's a way through.
02:13:47.000And, like, I understand that those moments, like the video I was just talking about, where someone's having a hard day and complaining about, you know, their limited skill set in life, emotionally speaking, I kind of lost my empathy for that kind of thing.
02:14:07.000Like, I just, like, we should know better than that.
02:14:39.000You're going to not work as much, and then you're not going to have as much money, and you're not going to be able to take care of yourself.
02:16:23.000He turned it from an industrialized farm into a regenerative farm over 20 years.
02:16:30.000I don't know what a regenerative farm is.
02:16:31.000The difference between using external herbicides and pesticides and all sorts of shit that makes it much easier to farm, but it's toxic ultimately for the land.
02:16:43.000So he went over the details of why he did what he did, what he learned, and how he went from transitioning this family farm that he had inherited, which was traditionally the way industrialized farms are working.
02:16:55.000They put all this industrialized fertilizer everywhere, and then it gets in the rainwater.
02:18:52.000I mean, that's the thing about little kids you'll see, when they're really little especially, they touch everything, they put everything in their mouth.
02:23:01.000So, during our fearful COVID, all the shit, not this September, but 2021, I had some touring to do.
02:23:11.000And a friend of mine with their very fancy doctor in Hollywood, like top of the top, asked about, hey, do you have any preventative COVID measures?
02:23:21.000And also, if we get COVID, you know, what should we take?
02:27:43.000So we go down there and they're explaining to us that what they're really concerned about is not like man-made viruses.
02:27:51.000What they're really concerned about is something just jumping from animals to people that's super deadly, like the Black Plague, like the Spanish Flu.
02:28:02.000There's some that are just walloping, where they kill giant swaths of people.
02:28:10.000And he's like, we're always constantly trying to work to prevent that from happening.
02:28:14.000And that's when you get the scope of it.
02:28:16.000You're like, oh my god, this is like at any moment in time, nature could just throw us the wildest curveball.
02:28:21.000And especially when you incorporate what happens with animal agriculture, where a lot of the viruses develop and do jump from people.
02:28:29.000Well, and we've fucked with nature so much, like manipulating science in this way that...
02:32:00.000So if there's 12,000 years ago, we get pelted by giant rocks.
02:32:05.000And then they do core samples, they go down 12,000 years, and they find this high level of iridium, which is really common in space and really rare on Earth.
02:32:14.000And it usually signifies an asteroid impact.
02:32:17.000And they find that shit all over at 12,000 years.
02:32:21.000So when they get to this point, it's almost like there's irrefutable evidence that something happened.
02:33:04.000Well, I think there's this weird immortality that comes with the vapid lifestyle of technology and the way that people forget the depths of existence and then therefore forget how finite we are.
02:34:09.000And I think in terms of what you're talking about, there's like...
02:34:14.000This really fine line between that scientific and theoretical idea of intelligent life before us and knowing that we were given this chance and we're fucking it up.
02:34:29.000But we're not necessarily fucking it up.
02:35:30.000The news cycle is so fucked that every day there's like 15 new outrages and five new conspiracy theories and then there's a new crime and then there's a new mass shooting and then there's a car accident and there's a plane crash.
02:35:44.000You're getting battered by information.
02:35:47.000So even like the Ukraine-Russia thing, people are like, Boring, done with it, over 200 days, you know, and then they have their narratives, you know, Ukraine's winning, no, Russia's holding off till the winter, like, it's all, it's almost like they're fucking calling a sport.
02:36:04.000But they say it like we actually know what's going on.
02:36:45.000Wasn't there a video that was going around, it was like a viral video, and people were like, you know, look, the jet got shot down in Ukraine, and people found out it's actually a scene from a video game?
02:37:22.000But I do know it's really fucked up when actors are flying over to the Ukraine and talking like they know what's going on and promoting something.
02:40:49.000If I was a kid and I believed that I could manifest everything just with my mind, I didn't know that there was a significant amount of work involved.
02:42:10.000And you're gonna get ice, and you're gonna get black ice on the roads where it rains first, and then the whole road is a fucking ice skating rink.
02:42:17.000And you have to know how to drive on it.
02:42:52.000You can still develop a great character doing other stuff and difficult things, but you're not going to get that one essential thing out of nature.
02:42:58.000I think this speaks to a mutual aversion to the softies.
02:45:00.000From all the exciting things I've got to do in my life and places I've lived, still to this day, whenever I go home to Cleveland, I am met and confronted with the most interesting, humble, fascinating, funniest,
02:45:30.000But I... Well, there's a lot of disillusioning kind of places like New York and L.A. There are these meccas of art and culture, but then they've kind of been overrun by ideologies that can be damaging.
02:48:49.000Well, and then you have to factor in, like, the people that have, like, exploded from YouTube or something, like, really easy that didn't involve talent.
02:48:59.000That's toxin to all those people that have been working hard and haven't made it.
02:50:12.000What I was going to get at is that there's all these different factors that are fucked up about L.A. And that weather thing is a big part of it.
02:50:19.000But another big part of it is that everybody goes there to try to make it.
02:50:22.000And so when you go there, you're trying to get hired for something.
02:50:26.000So you're always kind of putting on this act of who you want people to think you are and they only talk in like a certain ideological lingo.
02:51:05.000They started their bullshit a long time ago.
02:51:08.000But there's been some people that got pretty popular and then people got tired of them.
02:51:13.000You got it for whatever they're doing, whatever voodoo the Kardashians have done to the American and the world people, they're fucking really good at it.
02:53:25.000Look, I have appreciated Madonna's contributions to our music and culture, but there's a time when you've got to hang up your hat and stop putting your boobies in people's faces if they don't want to see them.
02:54:10.000All I need is some They Live sunglasses.
02:54:12.000I guarantee some weird puckering in weird places, Joe.
02:54:16.000I guarantee that's the future of AR. You're going to put on glasses and the person that you're with is going to look as perfect as you need them to be.
02:54:40.000The guest book, the show I did a while back where Honey Honey, we did the music for it.
02:54:46.000I think Joey Diaz is in that episode, but there's this episode with I think it's Kether Donahue, a friend of mine, where her husband has an addiction to VR and they're having sex with VR goggles and there's this whole story going on where he's somebody and she's somebody,
02:56:10.000I think there's also going to be a lot of people that are bad at sex because they learned through their phones and not through natural discourse of life.
02:56:21.000Well, they think that's already probably fucking up kids' wiring.
02:57:26.000But it seems like that's where it's going.
02:57:29.000It's going to like a deeper infusion into what it is to be a person.
02:57:34.000To a point where it's a part of your body, and I don't think it's that far away.
02:57:38.000I think once they do start implementing that, it's gonna be so beneficial to the people that have it that everyone's just gonna jump on board.
02:57:45.000I think it's gonna happen radically, and I don't think we're prepared for what the fuck that means.
03:01:13.000They're first going to do it with people that are paralyzed and people who don't have access to their limbs or access to the function of their limbs.
03:01:22.000They're going to be able to reignite these.
03:01:24.000The idea is to have it function almost like a central nervous system.
03:02:02.000They've done it with one person who's...
03:02:05.000Absolutely paraplegic, like, got fucked up in a war or something like that.
03:02:08.000And they've got them to, like, sort of walking with help, you know?
03:02:12.000Well, I would imagine if you get paralyzed, it probably takes a long time to develop your ability to walk again after that.
03:02:18.000Even if they can fix the connections to your legs, they haven't been firing and But if they can actually do that and get someone to walk again at all, that's insane.
03:03:23.000So that's one of the things that they think that these neural implants may be able to do, is to improve people with injuries.
03:03:32.000So ultimately, if that's the case, that obviously will be very good for people with injuries.
03:03:36.000The real question is, If people start using any kind of a neural implant and interface it with technology that allows you to access information, has a greater bandwidth for thinking, who knows what kind of programs will be on it that you can run that can give you logical answers to dilemmas.
03:03:55.000Like, who knows what the fuck this is going to be like?
03:03:59.000Wings so wildly in this polarized way.
03:04:03.000It'd be so awesome if we could just stick with that and still be people that talk to each other.
03:04:08.000I just don't know if that's an option.
03:04:11.000I have a feeling that's not going to be an option.
03:04:13.000I have a feeling that once people adopt that technology, whatever comes with it, comes with it, and we're going to be on a fucking roller coaster ride off the side of a cliff.
03:04:22.000I think we're going to be cyborgs and it's going to happen really quick.
03:04:25.000Even on the website for this NeuroLife thing, it says players can immerse themselves in video games soon.
03:04:33.000This is like applications for what this can already do.
03:11:10.000Well, if it's real, One of the best ways, if you were the devil, you would make it preposterous that you would be real, while at the same time people worship God.
03:11:24.000Because if you believe in God, you have to believe in the devil, right?
03:11:29.000But listen, so if the president is on television and says, God bless our troops, everybody's like, all right.
03:11:36.000But if the president gets on TV and says, we've located the devil, he's in Sudan, we're sending troops there immediately, you're like, what?
03:12:08.000But wouldn't that be the best way for the devil to hide?
03:12:12.000Wouldn't, if the devil's real, if Satan is real, and if there really are demons, wouldn't the best way to just hide in plain sight and ridicule?
03:12:26.000All the creepy shit that's infecting Putin's brain right now, and all these dictators, and all the people that are having people murdered and assassinated, attacking, and imagine if that's all just demons.
03:12:36.000It takes a specific kind of being slash vessel, you know, like you kind of, I don't know, I don't know.
03:14:04.000Basically, the cabal is like the tree of life.
03:14:08.000And from the lower sphere, which is like us, and then moving up through this thing to the godhead, which is like the pinprick of our existence and soul, if you want to look at it like that.
03:14:20.000And I've just been, one, enamored and fascinated by it, by this just literature and literal ancient texts.
03:14:28.000Like the cabal and Solomonic magic is like...
03:14:36.000And there's something that, like, gets the hair on the back of my neck, like, just standing up with, like, holy shit, what am I reading right now?
03:15:23.000Yeah, but I'm really interested in ancient text and just the recycling and recirculation of that stuff of like, why does that keep coming up?
03:15:33.000And I can understand how this feels like that and this feels like that in our present day experience.
03:17:26.000What is that exact story about the dude Just looking it up, this article here says it's a misunderstood tale, and it's actually about war.
03:17:34.000I was trying to get into this, but you asked too quick before I could find out.
03:17:37.000Oh, well, it's about a fucking bear eating kids, though.
03:17:42.000Whatever his interpretation of what the ultimate meaning was supposed to be, as thought down over thousands of years of text and oral tradition that spans a thousand years after that, or before that...
03:18:09.000So it says, he went up from Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, go up, you bald head.
03:19:28.000I was even going to say the bald head translation right away goes, well, what word did they use back then and how did it get translated to English as the saying bald head?
03:19:38.000But even if he said fuckhead, if he called him a fuckhead, the kids killed by bears.
03:20:06.000But no matter what the name would be that he would call him, cunt head, there's not a chance in hell that a righteous God would send a bear to kill those kids.
03:20:16.000So if that's the actual translation, that a bear came and killed the children, which I've always understood it to be, Kurt Metzger explained to me what that saying, go on up, you bald head, that it's like, it's more harsh.
03:20:31.000It's like, we think of it as like, I mean, it's like going up your asshole or something like that.
03:22:08.000They had to use DNA because they had to make sure that the cow, the fragments were from the same cow, which would indicate that it was the same piece of skin.
03:22:33.000And at the end of this translation, over 14 years, John Marco Allegro writes a book called The Sacred Mushroom in the Cross.
03:22:41.000And he says the entire religion was a misunderstanding.
03:22:43.000And what it was originally about was psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals.
03:22:48.000And that's what created this religion.
03:22:51.000These people were taking mushrooms, and they were experiencing God, and they were having fertility rituals because they were trying to be as bountiful and have as many babies as possible.
03:23:00.000And that's what the Bible was originally all about.
03:23:03.000Now, by the way, it's heavily disputed.
03:23:06.000A lot of people think it's blasphemy and it's this and it's that.
03:23:09.000But the fact remains that this guy was a legit scholar, rock-solid credentials, not a drug addict, not a guy who even did psychedelics.
03:23:17.000But it was his interpretation after all this time that a lot of the things in the story had meanings that would go back to psychedelic mushrooms.
03:25:28.000Because if you think about some of the teachings of Christ, They really, like, align with, like, psychedelic mindset, treating each other like we're all the same, that we're all one.
03:25:40.000No, I felt that oneness before, that feeling, that thing, that God place, like, 100%.
03:26:09.000But it's like that's what we're all doing, right?
03:26:11.000We're all just trying to figure out how to live life better.
03:26:13.000And when something comes along that seems to be like a method that other people are using, whether it's a religion or whether it's being a Democrat, whatever it is that gets you thinking that you're on the right side of things and you're with a good community and you support – you get into it.
03:26:30.000In adopting patterns of thinking and behavior and being tribal and fucking being against other people that we determined to be of a differing ideology.
03:26:40.000And we would justify horrible behavior in the name of doing that.
03:26:46.000I don't know if that's our fault, necessarily.
03:26:48.000I think the influence of technology or other machines that we don't really know about yet, that pit us against each other, we used to be able to coexist with different ideas and religions and opinions, but now it's like, it is so polarized,
03:28:29.000They will never understand our version of the world.
03:28:32.000Just like we'll never understand the people that came over on a fucking horse-pulled buggy A wagon with your family, your babies on a wagon.
03:28:42.000And there's a dusty road and there's like seven or eight other people like you ahead of you.
03:28:47.000And like 20 things that are going to kill you in the next day.
03:29:02.000The American West, like, think about how fascinating people were with, like, the settling of the American West, and that's only, like, a couple of hundred years.
03:29:09.000It's not a long time in human history, but it's so iconic in our understanding of what happened to America.
03:29:17.000You know what the best interpretation of it, I think, is?
03:30:06.000It was such a good, it was almost like he was wrapping up a story.
03:30:10.000Like he had to do these movies when he was younger and he had a version of the West that was very cartoonish in a way and maybe even missing, you know, missing some beats of reality.
03:31:50.000I mean, like, imagine all the animals that were omnipresent all over this country that aren't, like, you don't have bears in, you know, California.
03:37:04.000No, I was watching a fucking Instagram reel and it had this praying mantis that was destroying like a caterpillar, just holding it and just eats the whole thing.
03:38:21.000Because female octopuses are larger than the males and they'll have sex with the males until they decide they don't want to anymore and then they often kill them and eat them.
03:46:48.000One of those moments where Schwarzenegger's character was about to smash his head with a rock, and then he's like, even though this thing killed all his friends, and he's like, you know what?
03:48:04.000If there are a thing that are that advanced that's out there, why wouldn't they keep an eye on us?
03:48:10.000And if there is a thing, they would understand how fragile our fucking little psyches are.
03:48:15.000Why would they let themselves be known?
03:48:17.000I think there's a slow trickle of information as our technology expands and we'd be able to track things better and better radar systems and they're getting more and more data.
03:48:27.000And I think that's how it's supposed to be.
03:48:29.000I think that's how we're supposed to figure.
03:48:31.000It's not like they're going to land on the White House lawn.
03:48:35.000But I think we're going to slowly become more and more aware of their existence because we're slowly going to have better and better systems that pick up things on Earth and other places.
03:48:45.000I'm not sure if there's a difference between God or that idea.
03:48:53.000If that idea, if human beings create a cyborg, and that cyborg's infinitely more intelligent than a human, and the cyborg invents a better cyborg, and it keeps going, Until someone gets to a point where they control black holes.
03:49:42.000But I think if human beings can do what we can do, being these weird primates and these weird talking animals that have figured out how to manipulate our environment and integrate with technology in a crazy way that no other animal's doing...
03:49:57.000It just seems to make sense to me that if you could stay alive for a thousand years or a hundred thousand years, if human beings continue to evolve and stay alive, they will eventually assume the power of gods.
03:50:12.000I think that's what they're trying to do.
03:50:14.000We already have the ability to kill everyone on the planet.
03:50:17.000If this stupid shit with Russia and Ukraine, if this goes down to the point where nuclear weapons are exchanged between countries, there's enough nuclear weapons to kill everybody.