In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, the host chats with archaeologist Graham Hancock about his new Netflix series, Ancient Apocalypse. They discuss the implications of the Ancient Apocalypse series, the impact theory, and what it means for the future of the field of archaeology. They also talk about the dangers of censorship, and the role academics play as gatekeepers of what is allowed and what is not allowed to be discussed in the public eye. And they discuss the importance of the Serpent Mound in Ohio as a place that should be taken into account in order to make sense of all the new evidence that s emerging in regards to the Younger Dryas Impact Theory and the disappearance of the dinosaurs. This episode was brought to you by Netflix and produced by BBC Radio 4 and BBC Worldwide. Additional audio mixing and mastering by Matthew Boll and Alex Blumberg. Music by Ian Dorsch and Mark Phillips. Our theme song is Come Alone by The Weakerthans, courtesy of Epitaph Records, and our ad music is by Build Buildings by Fountains of Wayne. If you like what you hear, please leave us a five star review on Apple Podcasts! Subscribe to our new podcast, Rate/subscribe and tell a friend about what you think of it! and we'll be giving out a shoutout in next week's episode. Thank you so much for supporting the show! - The Joe Rogans Experience Podcast! Subscribe to the show, Rate, review, review and subscribe to the pod by clicking the podCast, and spread the word out to your friends about it's awesomeness! and all the cool things you're listening to it on social media? Thanks for supporting it! :) - Thank you for listening and spreading the word to your thoughts and sharing it around the world! Cheers, Joe Rogan Podcasts and all that's going out to everyone else everywhere else! - Yours Truly, Timestaffing it's a good day! - The Oldest Podcast? - Timestheory Podcasts: - Tom's Thoughts on the Earth Podcasts Podcasts, Cheers! - Tom, Tom's Day's Day and the Oldest Day Podcasts by the Earth's Best Podcasts? - Tom and Joe's Backyard Podcasts - & more! -- Tom's Back Podcasts - Tom s Backyard:
00:01:02.000No, it's been a major challenge getting this show done, but it's the first time, I think, that these radical ideas have got onto a major platform.
00:01:12.000And the whole focus of the thing is summed up in the title of the show, Ancient Apocalypse, because we had an incredible apocalypse that hit this planet, and it wasn't just one moment.
00:01:25.000It was 1,200 years of hell on earth between roughly 12,800 and 11,600 years ago.
00:01:33.000And that is not taken into account by mainstream historians and archaeologists.
00:01:39.000Something that really changed the world needs to be taken into account if we're claiming to have a full knowledge of the past of humanity.
00:01:46.000And so I'm just really glad that Netflix have I've taken this show on and they're going to blast it out to a worldwide audience.
00:01:53.000And hopefully that will begin to put more pressure on the academics who frankly – I'm not a conspiracist but they do act as gatekeepers as to what may be allowed out in front of the public and what may be not allowed.
00:02:07.000And that seems to be because of the books they've written, the lectures they've given, that they've given all these lectures and they've written all these books that have – Theories that are outdated and they don't want to let those theories go in light of the new evidence.
00:02:22.000They want to push back as much as possible because it frankly weakens their credibility as the arbiters of the truth.
00:02:40.000That's the very clever way for archaeologists to make sure that no criticism can come in of their sights, is just to, of their take on things, is just to ban the critic from coming there.
00:02:51.000I got banned from Serpent Mound in Ohio.
00:05:02.000There's material from that time that have been found at Serpent Mound, but archaeologists consider it to be irrelevant to the date of Serpent Mound.
00:05:10.000Yeah, material, like what kind of material?
00:05:28.000That I've found throughout making Ancient Apocalypse that when you look at a particular site, what you're looking at is the latest incarnation of that site.
00:05:37.000But the site itself has been sacred for millennia and it needs repair.
00:05:42.000It needs renovation, particularly if it's an earthen mound like Serpent Mound.
00:05:47.000And so that is a theme that does seem to be repeated even under modern accepted archaeological understandings of ancient sites like the Parthenon and the Acropolis.
00:07:08.000We're working together against the mainstream to bring an alternative point of view.
00:07:13.000And Randall is the star of Episode 8. And Episode 8 is the episode where we bring the whole story of the ancient apocalypse together.
00:07:21.000The terrible things that happened to this world, the terrible things.
00:07:24.000That was the time when all the great megafauna went extinct, the saber-toothed tigers, the woolly rhinos and so on and so forth.
00:07:30.000They all went extinct between 12,800 and 11,600 years ago.
00:07:34.000And there's evidence of just utterly cataclysmic flooding in North America, particularly in the channeled scab lands in the Pacific Northwest.
00:07:43.000And that flooding came off the ice cap and something made it come off the ice cap really, really fast.
00:07:48.000And Randall has just devoted years of his life To studying this mystery, what really went on there?
00:07:55.000Let's just not talk about lakes bursting their banks.
00:07:59.000Let's talk about something huge that took place.
00:08:02.000And the landscape speaks to that huge event.
00:08:07.000And, Randall, you've discussed this on the podcast before, but in the interest of making this a standalone show, we should probably get into it before, you came up with this idea.
00:08:18.000What year was it when that idea first came to your mind?
00:08:25.000Remember, you were telling me you were on acid, and you were looking at how to...
00:08:29.000Well, that was 1969. And I didn't quite formulate a specific theory at that point.
00:09:38.000So this is the Minnesota River Valley.
00:09:43.000I was standing, I actually went back and found a few years ago, found the spot I was standing and it was right here on this bluff looking into this valley.
00:09:54.000Now if you go here you can see there's another side to it over here and if you look back here You're going to see this is what's an underfit river.
00:10:05.000An underfit river is where the modern river is diminutive relative to the channel that it's flowing in.
00:10:12.000And the channel was part of what they called the spillway of Lake Agassiz, which was a gigantic Meltwater Lake that formed in that interval that Graham was just talking about.
00:10:25.000So this is the modern Minnesota River, which is a fairly substantial river, probably close to the Colorado here that runs through Austin.
00:10:37.000The channel is huge relative to the river.
00:10:39.000A few geologists have worked on it and concluded that the meltwater flow through here was 4,000 times greater than the modern flow of the Minnesota River.
00:10:50.000So anyways, I was standing here looking out into this, and what I saw was the modern river entrenched within a couple of banks, and then I'm looking at this huge channel.
00:11:04.000And I just had this impression that, was this a huge river channel?
00:11:11.000Because, see, when I was looking three miles across, there's another set of 200-foot high bluffs matching the ones that I was standing on.
00:11:18.000And then below me was the modern Minnesota River with its banks, which were like miniature versions of the bluffs.
00:11:24.000Now it was a full decade before I actually came back to the idea, as I was beginning to learn more about catastrophism, which was still very much in the seminal stages back in the, say, the 70s.
00:11:39.000You know, we've learned so much more about the catastrophic history of this planet since then.
00:11:44.000But then I begin to think, well, and this was before I even knew about Glacial River Warren, it was called, which was the flow through here, and you can actually...
00:13:04.000When you have water flow coming along, it's got a conservation of volume so that if you have a narrow part of the channel, The water coming in as it's going into that constricted channel speeds up.
00:13:19.000Because if you take measure of the water flow at any two points along the channel, It's going to be the same.
00:13:26.000Whether it's a wide channel with shallower water moving slower or a narrower channel with deeper water moving faster, the discharge through that channel is going to be the same.
00:13:37.000Well, what happens is if it comes into a constriction, it has to speed up then.
00:13:41.000When it speeds up, it becomes more erosive.
00:13:44.000And that's exactly what happened right here at Taylors Falls and right here at Interstate Park.
00:14:27.000And when you go south of Lake Nipigon, the whole landscape is channel scab lands, just like Graham and I were seeing out in Washington.
00:14:35.000And this is very convincing evidence of really catastrophic water flows.
00:14:40.000And I've always thought it's interesting, or at least for the last decade or so, that if you look at the elevation of the land here, you look at the elevation of the land over here, it's the same.
00:14:49.000But if you go in the middle here, it's 500 to 1,000 feet lower.
00:14:54.000What happened here, there was a major discharge south out of Lake Nipigon, came down through...
00:15:02.000And I think we should add that Lake Nipigon was discharging because it was filled up with water that came out of the ice cap and filled it up.
00:15:09.000What is the conventional explanation for these massive bluffs that are very far apart from each other with a relatively small river running through them?
00:15:17.000Try as I might, I've never found an explanation.
00:15:33.000It looks like somebody's just been picking scabs off the skin of the land, and that was these water flows rushing through it, filled with icebergs and whole forests ripped up by their roots.
00:15:43.000Naturally, it looks like torn up scabs.
00:15:45.000And so it's your assertion that this all came out of the cataclysm, that this all came out of the impacts, the comet impacts?
00:15:54.000James Teller, a geologist, has dated these flows.
00:16:03.000Radiocarbon dating primarily by finding, if you have a flood and it's picking up anything organic, bone, wood, whatever, and then you look in those deposits, And you sample.
00:16:15.000And the samples, let's say, because it's a flood, what it's going to do, it's going to pick up younger and older material because it's washing away, it's excavating other land.
00:16:25.000And so what you do is you get enough datable material.
00:16:29.000And if it keeps coming up that the maximum age is a given age, that's probably when the flood happened.
00:16:35.000Or a minimum age, rather, not a maximum age.
00:16:37.000In other words, a flood might pick up stuff that's 15,000 years old and 12,000 Well, when did the flood happen?
00:16:46.000So what you do is you look for the youngest dateable material, and that should usually give you a pretty good idea of when the flood happened.
00:16:52.000So James Teller has dated this overflow here, and again, it comes out perfectly consistent with the Younger Dryas.
00:17:00.000I think it's important to add at that point that there's a reason for all of this, and this is a huge controversy in science at the moment.
00:17:11.000We know that there was enormous flooding 12,800 years ago, but the question is what caused it?
00:17:20.000And there's a very powerful theory, which is now backed by more than 100 mainstream scientists, that the Earth passed through the debris stream of a disintegrating comet.
00:17:30.000And that theory is called the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis.
00:17:34.000And those several bits of that disintegrating comet might have been pretty big, maybe up to a kilometer in diameter.
00:17:40.000And they landed on the North American ice cap, generating huge amounts of heat, tremendous shock wave hits the ice cap, and it turns that ice into water and it rushes down southwards, fills up these lakes, overflows these lakes, and tears up the landscape underneath it.
00:17:57.000And this Younger Dryas impact hypothesis is by far, in my view, the best explanation of what's going on.
00:18:06.000I'm very happy to say that the Comet Research Group, the 100 scientists who are behind this, they've been funding their own research for nearly two decades because no big mainstream institution would get behind them.
00:18:17.000But just in the last couple of years, some big funding has come into the Comet Research Group.
00:18:22.000And they're now in a position to go look at Antarctic ice, to go look at all the evidence from all over the world that shows that this cataclysm did happen 12,800 years ago and that we're dealing with something really that is almost unimaginable in its scope.
00:18:40.000And which should change the way that we look at the history of the human species if it were not for this resistance.
00:18:47.000I wonder if we could just show a short clip which has got Randall in it, the Randall clip, which is from the ancient apocalypse show.
00:19:02.000And where Randall makes the point at the end of it that once we take this into account, the whole story of history is going to change completely.
00:19:53.000This is why I've made this series, because that idea has to get out there, that we've got to stop being so complacent about how we look at our past.
00:20:03.000And for the very same reason, we need to stop being so complacent about how we look at our future as well.
00:20:09.000We live in a hazardous cosmic environment.
00:20:11.000It just happens that we live at a time in the human story where if we chose to do so, we could actually do something about it.
00:20:18.000What motivated you to get involved in this?
00:20:21.000I know Fingerprints of the Gods you released in the 90s.
00:20:24.000It was 1995. That's when I first read it and I became obsessed.
00:20:36.000I used to be a current affairs journalist.
00:20:38.000I was the East Africa correspondent for The Economist.
00:20:40.000I had no interest in history whatsoever.
00:20:42.000But I began to come across things, particularly traveling initially in Ethiopia and then in Egypt, which made me wonder about the past.
00:20:51.000And, you know, standing in front of the Great Pyramid of Egypt is an awe-inspiring experience, especially when you've never seen it before.
00:20:58.000And in 1989, when I first saw it, I had never seen it before.
00:21:01.0006 million tons, 481 foot high, 13 acre footprint, this massive thing.
00:21:07.000And archaeologists are saying it's just the tomb of a pharaoh and yet no pharaoh's body was ever found inside it or indeed inside any ancient Egyptian pyramid.
00:21:18.000And I started to – I've always been a contrarian.
00:21:21.000I've always tried to give an opposite point of view.
00:21:23.000I hate it when there's just a single narrative that says this is the truth and there is no other truth.
00:21:28.000And so I felt it was important to start giving an alternative point of view and I started to look into it in depth.
00:21:35.000Could there be something missing from the story of our past?
00:21:38.000And that's why I ended up writing Fingerprints of the Gods, to put that information before the public.
00:21:43.000To allow people access to information that they had not had access to before and to begin to think for themselves instead of just accepting the word of the so-called experts.
00:22:05.000And everybody, whether they're an academic or whether they're a man in the street, they've got something to contribute to the idea of our past.
00:22:13.000And the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, when was that first brought out?
00:22:18.0002007. That was when it first brought out.
00:22:21.000It immediately caught my eye because when I wrote Fingerprints of the Gods, I proposed that there had been a gigantic global cataclysm about 12,500 years ago.
00:22:32.000But I didn't really know what had caused it.
00:22:35.000I suggested a number of possibilities and then suddenly in 2007 out comes this hypothesis with mainstream backing by mainstream scientists saying that it looks like there was a series, not just one impact but multiple impacts all over the earth around 12,800 years ago that caused this cataclysm and I began to follow that theory and by about 2013 it became clear to me that these scientists were onto something really big And I dived back into it and ended up writing another couple
00:23:05.000of books, Magicians of the Gods and America Before, which we talked about on your show back in 2019, just to try to put that information out there.
00:23:13.000And it's fascinating, really, very lazy, the way that archaeologists react to an alternative point of view.
00:23:22.000In my case, they almost never get to grips with the material that I've put out there in the books.
00:23:27.000They just say, oh, Hancock, he's a pseudoscientist.
00:23:33.000But they never say why I'm a pseudoscientist, why I'm a fraud or why I'm a liar.
00:23:37.000They just throw those words out and you go to Wikipedia and that's what you see.
00:23:41.000And the point about Wikipedia is that's the first place – if somebody hears my name or hears about my ideas, the first place they're going to go have a look is Wikipedia.
00:23:50.000And immediately they're going to get turned off and you can't edit my Wikipedia page.
00:23:54.000They've locked it and it's controlled by a group of academics.
00:23:58.000So I do find this incredibly irritating but the only thing to do is to keep on going and this is why, frankly, Joe, your show has been so important because you're one of the very few people who's allowed this information to get out to the general public, this contrary information which the mainstream doesn't want to hear.
00:24:15.000You're a powerful platform that's allowed this information to reach so many more people than it otherwise would have reached, and I'm grateful to you for that.
00:25:24.000It's 5,000 years old than the supposed oldest megalithic structures.
00:25:27.000And it's a fucking enormous megalithic structure, probably the biggest megalithic structure on Earth because so much of it is still underground, although we know what's there because of ground-penetrating radar.
00:26:02.000And they have to accept this is one of the mysteries of Gobekli Tepe.
00:26:07.000The archaeology does show this quite clearly, that when the work began on Gobekli Tepe 11,600 years ago, the entire population there were hunter-gatherers.
00:26:17.000They were not agriculturalists, generating those supposed surpluses that would allow experts in architecture to emerge.
00:26:26.000And how, in God's name, do a group of hunter-gatherers wake up one morning and create something like this, this enormous scale, and then...
00:26:35.000The mystery deepens because at the same time that they're building the megalithic site, they're also suddenly doing agriculture.
00:26:42.000And I look at that as a contrarian and I say I actually don't think that this was something that was just dreamed up overnight by a group of hunter-gatherers.
00:26:50.000I think I'm looking at a transfer of technology.
00:26:53.000I think people came to that site who already knew how to do this stuff.
00:26:57.000And maybe they used that site to mobilize the local population, to push them into a new direction.
00:27:03.000And that was truly the beginnings of civilization as we know it.
00:27:06.000But I think it was a restarting of civilization, a reboot, not the actual beginnings.
00:27:12.000I think there was an earlier lost civilization.
00:27:14.000That's the whole point of the show I've made.
00:27:17.000Why don't you mention about that particular date, 11,600?
00:27:22.000It's an incredibly important date because the Younger Dryas begins 12,800 years ago with a cataclysm, with a puzzling, mysterious rise in sea level at the same point.
00:27:32.0001,000 years of freezing temperatures, mass extinctions of animal species all over the world, and then 11,600 years ago, global temperature shoots up.
00:27:42.000The last of the ice caps collapse into the sea.
00:27:47.000That is the date that work starts at Gobekli Tepe, and that's a point I've made many times, but it's really worth making because archaeologists roll their eyes every time you say the word Atlantis.
00:27:58.000But that is precisely the date that Plato, which is the earliest surviving reference to Atlantis, that's precisely the date he gives for the destruction of Atlantis, 11,600 years before our time.
00:28:10.000He puts it this way, that his ancestor Solon visited Egypt.
00:28:17.000That visit to Egypt was in 600 BC. And there Solon claimed to have been told by Egyptian priests about this great advanced civilization that once existed but that angered the gods and was destroyed in an enormous flood.
00:28:32.000And Solon asked those Egyptian priests, when did this happen?
00:28:40.000That's in 600 BC. That's 9,000 years before 600 BC. We call that 9,600 BC. That's 11,600 years ago.
00:28:50.000That's exactly the date of the end of the Younger Dryas, and it's exactly the date of what is called Meltwater Pulse 1b, one of the biggest single rises overnight in sea level that ever occurred.
00:29:04.000It's really weird that he picked a date that is precisely a date that coincides with the latest geological evidence on cataclysmic sea level rise at the end of the Ice Age.
00:29:16.000Could be a coincidence, but I will mention I did a two-parter on all of what Graham was just talking about and the geological evidence that confirms or refutes Plato's account, and it's available on my website.
00:29:43.000And you see, the academics have never bothered to do this because in their pride and in their arrogance, they just say, oh, we know that Plato just made it up, that it's just a fantasy.
00:30:18.000They're the memory bank of our species, and they may be expressed in symbolic language.
00:30:23.000There may be wonderful stories built around them, but at the core is factual information.
00:30:28.000And what better way to ensure that factual information is passed down to the future than to record it in a fantastic story that people will pass on.
00:30:39.000People love telling stories and they don't even need to understand what the heart of the story is.
00:30:43.000As long as it's a great story, they're going to keep on passing it down to the future.
00:30:46.000So I think myth is very important and that's something that we do in my Netflix series is we look at the myths.
00:30:55.000There are thousands of traditions from all around the world speaking of a global flood that destroyed a former civilization that brought to an end a golden age.
00:31:04.000With all this physical evidence and with all these myths, are there more and more people that are accepting this or exploring this with curiosity and open-mindedness now?
00:31:18.000And one of the things that makes me confident that that's happening is because I am getting a lot of emails and communications from people Young people going, you know what?
00:31:30.000I was watching your stuff and Graham's stuff.
00:31:33.000I've decided I'm going to go into geology.
00:31:36.000Or I'm going to go into paleontology or archaeoastronomy or archaeology.
00:31:41.000So just the fact that I'm getting those kinds of communications from people, every time I get one, that's encouraging to me.
00:31:49.000Because I think it's the old axiom that sometimes...
00:31:55.000You know, in order to evolve past an entrenched theory, the gatekeepers have to pass away and a new generation has to come along who's a little more willing to look outside that dogmatic framework.
00:32:07.000Also, if you are a young archaeologist and you're trying to carve your way in the world, what better way?
00:32:13.000Then to explore this with tons of evidence that's very controversial theory that's been dismissed.
00:32:22.000Takes courage on the part of those archaeologists because they can lose any hope of promotion if they touch ideas like this.
00:32:28.000Archaeology is a very restrictive discipline.
00:32:30.000If you don't copy what your professor says, if you go off on a tangent, they'll cut you off.
00:32:36.000There's so many people who've done such great work in archaeology that doesn't fit with the mainstream and they just get Isolated by their colleagues.
00:33:02.000When we did that and he expressed all this information, we talked about these ancient clay vessels that show clear evidence of some sort of psychedelic that was mixed in with wine that was probably the origins of a lot of these...
00:33:23.000Even democracy, the enlightenment, a lot of it came from these meetings and people came from all over the world to participate in these rituals.
00:33:32.000This is now being widely accepted and it's a field of study at Harvard.
00:33:39.000If you're locked, this is one of the reasons why psychedelics are being so successful in healing people with profound depression.
00:33:47.000Because what is profound depression otherwise that you're locked in a very narrow frame that you just can't escape from.
00:33:54.000And what psychedelics seem to do is they break that lock.
00:33:57.000And they allow a kind of openness to come in and new thoughts to come in.
00:34:01.000So it's not surprising that psychedelics revolutionized the ancient world.
00:34:06.000And I'm absolutely convinced that there isn't a religion in the world, and this is going to annoy a lot of people, that there isn't a religion in the world that didn't begin with experiences in altered states of consciousness.
00:34:17.000And when we talk about a lost civilization, I believe that that was a civilization that grew out of shamanism and for which altered states of consciousness were fundamental.
00:34:27.000We've been taught to despise altered states of consciousness in our society today.
00:34:32.000We're supposed to just be alert problem solvers and not doing anything else.
00:34:36.000But it's out of altered states of consciousness that the real creativity comes and that changes in mindset come and that people can break free from previous restrictions and move in new directions.
00:34:48.000I have mentioned to you a friend of mine, Ben Johnson, he's a former Navy SEAL, 11 years as a Navy SEAL, suffering from PTSD, discovered psilocybin mushrooms.
00:34:59.000This is maybe 12 years ago, 13 years ago, and he began to, a lot of his brothers-in-arms also were having the same issues with PTSD, discovered that psilocybin mushrooms were a very effective treatment for it.
00:36:12.000It's mind-blowingly impressive what he's got going on.
00:36:15.000Well, that connects us with Dennis McKenna and Terence McKenna's ideas.
00:36:20.000Human beings literally evolving from lower hominids experimenting with psilocybin mushrooms.
00:36:28.000It's a very powerful idea, and kudos to Terence McKenna.
00:36:33.000I never knew Terence personally, but I do know Dennis very, very well, and he's a fantastic researcher.
00:36:40.000In this field, kudos to them for realizing Terence's book was called Food of the Gods, that the encounters with psychedelics, with ancient psychedelics, were what put humanity on a huge leap forward.
00:36:54.000And then unfortunately, we have repressive forces in society that have tried to shut that down and demonize it.
00:37:02.000But We are missing a very, very important part of our heritage with the attitude that we have to psychedelics right now.
00:37:09.000And that's why I'm so happy to see that mainstream research is finally getting involved in this.
00:37:14.000They're realizing that these are real healing vehicles, that they can do things that no other big pharma medicine can do.
00:38:15.000The ancient Egyptians definitely used psychedelics.
00:38:19.000Their psychedelic of choice was the blue water lily, which was tinctured in wine.
00:38:29.000And bottles of this were found in the tomb of Tutankhamun, as a matter of fact.
00:38:34.000I've not experienced blue water lily myself, but apparently it induces a deeply altered state of consciousness and opens up visions and possibilities.
00:39:04.000Blue water lilies hold the key to stunning different high.
00:39:08.000Besides being stunningly beautiful, the blue water lily has some surprising medicinal qualities, ranging from being an aphrodisiac to alleviating pain, depression, to even upset stomachs.
00:39:18.000The blue water lily also has a dark underbelly.
00:39:33.000The blue water lily is believed to have originated in Egypt's Nile River and was used by ancient Egyptians as a sacred substance to attain higher levels of consciousness.
00:39:42.000In fact, it's common to find symbols representing the blue lotus in Egyptian pillars and scrolls.
00:39:57.000They're venerating them for their effects on consciousness.
00:40:01.000And to which we should add that the ancient Egyptian tree of life It was an acacia tree, and its bark contains dimethyltryptamine, the most powerful hallucinogen known to man.
00:40:13.000I don't like the word hallucinogen, but that's the one we have to use.
00:40:21.000And again, fortunately, there is now very interesting research going on into these things.
00:40:26.000So there are so many forbidden areas of our past which have been forbidden by the experts, by the so-called authorities, which gradually, in the new mindset of the 21st century, we are breaking through to.
00:40:39.000I think what's special about our time, and by goodness, it's a time of We're good to go.
00:41:05.000And what's happening now is that people distrust experts and they rightly and properly distrust experts because again and again the experts have misled us.
00:41:15.000And this is true with psychedelics and it's true with the study of the ancient past of the human species as well.
00:41:21.000It's absurd that a small group of academics called archaeologists should literally hold the keys to the whole human past and tell us, lecture us, instruct us I think?
00:42:17.000Well, that's happening at Imperial College.
00:42:19.000And I recently attended an event just a few weeks ago with several of the volunteers in that project.
00:42:25.000And what's happening is they are legally being given DMT at Imperial College, which is one of the leading research institutes in the UK. And for the first time ever, they're not looking to find out what are the possible therapeutic outcomes of this.
00:42:43.000They're actually looking at the experience itself.
00:42:46.000It's very well known, anybody who's used DMT. I've used DMT multiple times.
00:43:09.000Well, Imperial College, they're now testing that view.
00:43:12.000And what they're finding is that these – and something else – DMT, as I'm sure you know, Joe, is a very short-acting experience when you smoke it.
00:43:36.000You hardly know what's going on, and then you're out again.
00:43:40.000But you come out with a feeling that something's been downloaded to you.
00:43:44.000In Imperial College, they found a way to keep people in the peak state of DMT for an hour.
00:43:50.000They're delivering it through drip, through timed release, and they're keeping the volunteers in an hour in that state.
00:43:56.000So they have time to find their way around the DMT realm that they find themselves in.
00:44:03.000And the astonishing thing is that these volunteers, both men and women, are all coming back With accounts of meeting the same entities and the same world.
00:44:13.000I know Rick Strassman has been on your show and kudos to Rick Strassman because he was really the first scientist to work with DMT and human volunteers at the University of New Mexico.
00:44:25.000Rick Strassman is open to the idea that what happens with DMT is that it alters the receiver wavelength of the brain.
00:44:32.000And that it allows us to gain access to other realities, that these encounters are not unreal, that they're real but they're real on a level that we can't experience in a day-to-day state of consciousness.
00:44:44.000We have to be in an altered state of consciousness in order to experience them.
00:44:48.000And ultimately the aim of this project is to map the DMT realm.
00:44:52.000You know, we talk a lot about extraterrestrials and ETs and making contact and I'm sure the universe is filled with life and it would be a very good thing to have the tech to make contact or perhaps not a good thing with all those other life forms in the universe.
00:45:06.000But right there in the DMT experience, inside our own heads, we have the opportunity to encounter another world.
00:46:06.000Let's understand what our consciousness is.
00:46:08.000Let's not just keep locked in this, we're here to produce, we're here to consume, we're here to buy cars.
00:46:14.000Sure, those are all part of our life today, but it's not all of us.
00:46:18.000We're much more mysterious, much deeper creatures than that.
00:46:21.000And psychedelics offer a doorway We're good to go.
00:46:45.000I'm just saying that if we're going to do that, we need to explore the mystery of consciousness.
00:46:49.000And if we're going to have – if we're seriously going to engage with the ET abduction phenomenon, with extraterrestrial – so-called extraterrestrial encounters, we must recognize that fundamental to this is consciousness.
00:47:07.000I wrote a book back in 2005 called Supernatural Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind.
00:47:14.000And it is astonishing, Joe, how encounters that were described as encounters with elves and fairies in the Middle Ages, encounters that shamans to this day describe as encounters with spirits, that all the characteristics of those encounters apply to encounters with so-called extraterrestrials today.
00:47:37.000It's as though in each generation, each civilization, we construe experiences according to our cultural background.
00:47:46.000So they call them fairies and elves in the Middle Ages.
00:48:27.000And now almost everybody and their cousin has a story about trying ayahuasca or doing psilocybin or having some sort of an experience with peyote.
00:48:40.000And I would say it's part of an overall change in our society, which is extremely healthy, which is the change of Of just accepting what the experts tell us.
00:48:51.000Oh, a scientist said this, so it must be true.
00:48:54.000We're starting to think for ourselves and we're not willing any longer to be told what to think.
00:49:01.000We're wanting to find out for ourselves and that attitude has very much affected the way that people relate to psychedelics.
00:49:08.000Explore the psychedelic experience in a responsible way.
00:49:11.000And psychedelics are very serious business.
00:49:16.000I would not encourage children to take psychedelics.
00:49:19.000But actually if we want to keep children away from psychedelics, we'd be far better to make them legal than leave them illegal and available on the black market.
00:49:26.000I think it's something for the mature mind.
00:49:29.000But I regard it as a fundamental human right of adults to be able to explore our own consciousness so long as we do no harm to others.
00:49:38.000And I see this attitude spreading much more widely in society.
00:49:56.000And if this is the source of civilization or one of the reasons why people were able to think so creatively and create these incredible structures thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago, this all does coincide with this work about these apocalyptic scenarios that you guys are talking about because If we don't have an understanding of how we got to where we were and we also don't have an understanding that this can happen
00:50:26.000to us again, it's very possible for us to happen again.
00:50:29.000It's indeed possible for it to happen again and in the eighth episode of Ancient Apocalypse, one of the scientists from The Comet Research Group makes that point, that the comet that disintegrated, that caused so much damage on Earth 12,800 years ago,
00:50:48.000The Earth passes through it twice a year.
00:50:50.000And in the next 30 years, we're going to be passing through a very lumpy bit of this 30 million kilometer wide debris stream that's called the Taurid Meteor Stream.
00:50:59.000We should be paying much more attention to that because it's not doom and gloom, because we can do something about it should we choose to do so.
00:51:22.000There's a new mindset which is coming into force.
00:51:26.000And I celebrate the youth of our society today because they are refusing to be bound By the orders that are given to them by the powers that be.
00:51:37.000There's a new spirit of thinking for ourselves and that new spirit is, in my view, going to change everything.
00:51:46.000That's always the case when you're in the middle of a paradigm shift.
00:51:50.000It seems like a dark time, but we're privileged to live at this time because two, three hundred years from now, this time is going to be looked back on as a turning point in the human story.
00:52:01.000We might mention that, speaking of the torrid meteor shower, we are passing through the torrid meteor stream right now as we speak.
00:54:00.000And that is what this Netflix series is all about.
00:54:03.000That's what Ancient Apocalypse is all about.
00:54:04.000It's why it's called Ancient Apocalypse because that's what it ultimately comes down to.
00:54:08.000Now, there's masses of material in the series about the possibility of a lost civilization and presenting the evidence for a lost civilization.
00:54:17.000But ultimately, when you talk of a lost civilization, how did it become lost?
00:54:23.000What happened that took it away, that obliterated it from human memory?
00:54:28.000And this apocalyptic episode called The Younger Dryas is the answer to that.
00:54:34.000The point I often make, which I think is worth making again and again, is how different the world was during the Ice Age.
00:55:04.000400 feet sea level rise at the end of the ice age.
00:55:07.000The prime real estate on Earth, 27 million square kilometers, it's about 10 million square miles, were submerged by rising sea levels at the end of the ice age.
00:55:18.000And again, archaeology, there is marine archaeology, but they're not really looking very closely at that.
00:55:23.000I wonder, Jamie, would it be possible to pull up the diving clip?
00:56:30.000It was one of the last things to be covered by Ice Age sea level rise, and that's why we show a graphic, a reconstruction of it above water.
00:56:37.000It's made of extremely regular blocks, megalithic blocks, on a very large scale, more than 1,000 feet in length.
00:56:46.000And when you dive on it, and I've dived on it multiple times, and I went back to diving in order to dive on it again in this series, it's impossible to believe that it's entirely a work of nature.
00:56:58.000And I took a marine biologist there with me who's dived all over the world, and he agreed with me that there's just no way that this thing can be explained as a totally natural phenomenon.
00:57:13.000And what is the conventional reasoning for this?
00:57:17.000The conventional reasoning is that it's just beach rock fractured into natural patterns.
00:57:23.000But when you get there and get underneath those rocks, you see that they're propped up, they're leveled out with rocks underneath them, that the whole thing is being very carefully structured by human beings.
00:57:35.000And the point is, another point I'd like to make is Bimini today is a tiny, tiny island.
00:57:42.000But Bimini during the Ice Age was part of an enormous island.
00:57:46.000The whole Grand Bahama Bank was above water.
00:58:12.000It's got a J-shaped curve at one end of it as well.
00:58:16.000And we know that it's been underwater for about six or seven thousand years, but the question is how long before that was it made?
00:58:24.000How long did it stand there above water at a very prominent point on this ancient island that we now call the Grand Bahama Banks?
00:58:31.000And one of the mysteries I look into is that On an ancient map, the famous Piri Reis map drawn by a Turkish admiral in 1513, that Grand Bahama banks as an above-water island is shown.
00:58:51.000And what do you see running down it but an image of the Bimini Road above water.
00:58:57.000Now, how could Piri Reis, who drew his map in 1513, have known this?
00:59:02.000He tells us the answer, that he based his map on more than 20 older source maps, all of which are now lost.
00:59:09.000And he suggests that those maps had come out of the famous library of Alexandria and that they'd been taken to Constantinople and that's where he got access to them.
00:59:20.000Somebody, I believe, was mapping the world, was exploring the Earth during the Ice Age, and left us ancient maps that show features that only existed during the Ice Age.
00:59:37.000It's on its side at the moment, but down there in the lower left, if you bring the cursor down, that big island down there in the lower left...
00:59:47.000That island is exactly where the Grand Bahama Banks were, an above-water version of the Grand Bahama Banks during the Ice Age, and that feature running down the middle of it looks very like the Bimini Road to me.
01:00:02.000So again, it suggests not only do we have a cataclysmic event that changes the face of the earth, but also we have evidence that somebody, as yet unrecognized by archaeology, had the capacity to explore the world and to map the world during the last ice age.
01:00:19.000One of the things I find most striking is the presence of Antarctica on ancient maps because we didn't discover it until 1820. And yet it's on maps drawn in the 1500s with great detail, which again were based on much older source maps that have now been lost to us.
01:00:38.000The astonishing thing is the so-called Pinkerton world map.
01:00:42.000I don't know if you can find it, Jamie.
01:00:44.000Drawn, I think, in 1813 or 1818, based on the latest exploration data at that time.
01:00:51.000And where Antarctica is, yeah, that one, keep going right, that one.
01:00:59.000That one you've got up at the top there.
01:01:03.000It just shows a hole where Antarctica is.
01:01:59.000What the fuck is it doing on a map drawn in the 1500s which we know was based on older source maps when nobody knew it existed in the 1500s?
01:02:07.000To me, the obvious answer is we are dealing with the fingerprints of a lost civilization that mapped the world and that left evidence of that mapping which ancient map makers found and used and incorporated into their maps.
01:02:20.000These maps can be very confusing because they were trying to mix Exploration data from their own period with data from the older maps.
01:02:28.000But when you look at these maps in depth, they're very, very intriguing.
01:02:31.000When you go back to what you think are the origins of sophisticated civilization, how far back are we talking?
01:02:59.000It's partly an ironic comment on myself, but it's partly a comment on something else as well, is that as science progresses, we are finding evidence that the human species is much older than we thought.
01:03:10.000Go back 25, 30 years, you'll find people telling you that anatomically modern humans didn't exist until 50,000 years ago.
01:03:17.000Then they found evidence of anatomically modern humans 196,000 years ago.
01:03:23.000Then in Morocco, they found evidence of anatomically modern humans 300,000 years ago.
01:03:29.000Humans just like us, with the same brains, the same capacities, the same abilities than us, once you start extending that timeline back, You're leaving much more room for an advanced civilization to emerge, a civilization that was ultimately destroyed.
01:03:43.000If you've just got 50,000 years to do it in, it doesn't leave you much space.
01:03:48.000But if you've got 300,000 years to play with, there's plenty of space.
01:03:52.000So bottom line, I think this was a civilization that flourished during the Ice Age, that occupied the prime real estate during the Ice Age along coastlines, and that was obliterated almost completely in the cataclysm of the Younger Dryas.
01:05:13.000The Nile River system was pretty much 12,500 years ago the way that it is today.
01:05:17.000The big difference was that the Sahara Desert was green and fertile.
01:05:23.000And this coincides with Dr. Robert Shock's assertion that when you look at the Temple of the Sphinx, you're dealing with thousands of years of water erosion.
01:05:34.000And the last time there was water like that in the Nile Valley was when?
01:05:40.000The last time you had the water erosion like that in the Nau Valley was precisely during the Younger Dryas.
01:05:45.000The Younger Dryas was a period of extremely heavy rains in Africa.
01:05:49.000And it's rainfall, it's erosion caused by heavy rains that is the enigma on the Great Sphinx.
01:05:55.000We're not saying that there was a flood came over the Great Sphinx.
01:05:59.000What Robert Schock is saying and what his evidence clearly demonstrates is that we're looking at what's called precipitation-induced weathering.
01:06:06.000Weathering that was caused by exposure to about a thousand years of extremely heavy rainfall.
01:06:12.000And Dr. Robert Schock puts that thousand years precisely in the Younger Dryas period.
01:06:17.000That's the last time that rains of that magnitude fell on Egypt.
01:06:23.000Sensibly accept the insistence of Egyptologists that the Sphinx is just four and a half thousand years old.
01:06:30.000By all means, yes, 2500 BC, the ancient Egyptians were there, but I believe they found the Sphinx already created and already heavily eroded and that they then re-carved its head into the head of a pharaoh.
01:06:44.000And that head, as Robert Shock and others have pointed out, It's way too small in relation to the body.
01:06:50.000That makes sense if it was a heavily eroded lion head which was then later cut down into the head of a pharaoh.
01:06:58.000The geology speaks to the original Sphinx being more than 12,000 years old.
01:07:03.000And that's the funny thing because when Robert Schock and let's not forget John Anthony West John Anthony West, and I know you had him on his show before he passed.
01:07:14.000John Anthony West was the first person to suggest that there should be a huge question mark over the Sphinx, that the erosion patterns on the Sphinx suggest it was much older than Egyptologists said, and maybe 12,000 years old.
01:07:27.000And at that time, the response of Egyptology was, Rubbish.
01:07:32.000The Sphinx can't possibly be 12,000 years old because there's no other megalithic monument anywhere in the world that's anywhere like 12,000 years old.
01:07:39.000Well, that got blown out of the water completely forever by the discovery of Gobekli Tepe in Turkey, which isn't even that far from Egypt.
01:07:48.000Gobekli Tepe, 11,600 years old, a giant megalithic site.
01:07:52.000My goodness, if you can make Gobekli Tepe, you can make the Sphinx.
01:07:55.000It adds hugely to the credibility of Robert Schock's argument.
01:07:58.000And I want to pay tribute to Robert Schock because there's a mainstream academic who's been willing to stick his neck out.
01:08:05.000Despite taking all sorts of slings and arrows from his colleagues, he sticks with the data.
01:08:12.000And what the data says, regardless of what Egyptologists say, is that the Sphinx is 12,000 plus years old.
01:08:19.000And Jamie, can you pull up some of the images of that?
01:08:23.000When you look at the water erosion evidence that is all around the Temple of the Sphinx, it's really fascinating stuff, even for someone who doesn't know much about erosion.
01:08:33.000But when you look at it through his descriptions and his understanding of the various levels of stone, how some of it is harder, and this is the reason why some of it is eroded less.
01:08:45.000You see it most clearly in the trench surrounding the Sphinx.
01:08:51.000Those deep vertical fissures are classic precipitation-induced weathering, classic weathering produced by rainfall pouring over the edge of that.
01:09:01.000You don't see it so much on the body of the Sphinx for a very specific reason, that the body of the Sphinx has been repeatedly restored.
01:09:08.000Some of those blocks that we're looking at there were actually put in place during the Old Kingdom, when the Sphinx is supposed to have been made from new.
01:09:16.000What were they doing restoring the Sphinx 4,500 years ago if they'd just built it?
01:09:21.000You know, logic needs to be applied to this whole process, and we need to free ourselves from the dogma of the academic mainstream.
01:09:29.000So if this water erosion began thousands and thousands of years ago, thousands and thousands of years earlier than conventional Egyptologists date this era, how old do you think that actual civilization was?
01:09:52.000And again, this is a point that I think needs to be made.
01:09:57.000Archaeologists will tell you that the entire population of the Earth were hunter-gatherers during the Ice Age, say 20,000 years ago at the peak of the last Ice Age.
01:10:06.000Everybody was hunter-gatherers according to archaeologists.
01:10:11.000But we today live in a world where an advanced civilization, our own, if we dare call ourselves advanced, and in some ways I think we're not advanced at all, coexists with hunter-gatherers.
01:10:26.000There are hunter-gatherers in the Amazon rainforest.
01:10:29.000Some of them don't even know we exist.
01:10:32.000They've been spotted from aerial surveys.
01:10:34.000Hunter-gatherers in the Namibian desert.
01:10:38.000The notion that different types of civilization can coexist on the same planet shouldn't be surprising to us because we do it.
01:10:45.000And that's what I'm suggesting was the case back then.
01:10:48.000But a civilization very different from our own.
01:10:51.000They certainly had technology, enough technology to explore the earth, enough technology to map the earth.
01:10:57.000Very advanced astronomy, knowledge of obscure astronomical phenomena such as the precession of the equinoxes, such as the obliquity of the ecliptic.
01:11:05.000I won't go into details, but it's present in ancient knowledge.
01:11:10.000There's an amazing book, which I may have mentioned to you before, Joe, a book called Hamlet's Mill.
01:11:17.000And it was written by two professors of the history of science, Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha von Deschen back in the 60s.
01:11:24.000And what that book is dynamite because it shows, going back into the oldest myths and traditions of the world, highly advanced astronomical knowledge.
01:11:34.000Astronomical knowledge that should not have been possessed by hunter-gatherer civilizations.
01:11:38.000Astronomical knowledge that could only have been accumulated through thousands of years of careful observation and recording of data.
01:11:45.000That astronomical knowledge is present in the most ancient myths of mankind.
01:11:50.000And in fact, it was that book Hamlet's Mill, just as much as my first experience in front of the Great Pyramid that led me to begin asking questions about the narrative of our past.
01:12:00.000And I think it's healthy that we should have an alternative narrative.
01:12:03.000And I can't understand why archaeology is so...
01:12:06.000I have to say so afraid of alternative narratives because if they're not afraid, why do they react in this way as though we're some kind of existential threat?
01:12:16.000Why do they block me from getting access to sites if they're not afraid?
01:12:20.000If they're confident of their position, they should be able to maintain it against all opposition rather than trying to censor other points of view.
01:12:27.000Now, the Great Pyramid of Giza is probably the most stunning of all these ancient structures.
01:12:33.000And the stones are immense and some of them were cut from a quarry that's hundreds of miles away.
01:12:42.000Well, some of them, the granite in the Great Pyramid comes from more than 500 miles to the south.
01:12:47.000If you look at the famous King's Chamber, its walls and its roof The ceiling of the king's chamber are all made with gigantic granite blocks.
01:13:00.000Those blocks on the roof of the king's chamber weigh 70 tons each.
01:13:04.000Now Egyptologists will tell you that, oh, they could move heavy blocks because they put them on wet sand and they push them along on wet sand.
01:13:11.000Well, maybe if you're just at ground level, that will do.
01:13:14.000But when you're 350 feet above the ground as you are in the King's Chamber, that won't do at all.
01:13:21.000I don't think anybody knows how they did it, how they lifted those stones, how they brought them up to that level.
01:13:26.000I think we're looking again at a lost technology.
01:13:29.000And it was this ancient apocalypse 12,800 years ago that wiped that from the human memory banks almost completely, not entirely completely because they were survivors, but Randall will tell you, sea level rise creates a powerful high energy zone.
01:13:48.000Anything that was existing on those flooded coastlines has just been pounded to hell.
01:13:56.000Well yeah, I mean it's going to be a lot more energetic than now.
01:14:00.000I mean imagine your sea level rising at three or four times at least faster than we've seen rise in the last century.
01:14:07.000And within there juxtaposed are these episodes of very rapid sea level rise.
01:14:12.000So you're talking about a very energetic intertidal zone.
01:14:17.000And anything that's there Short of large megalithic blocks is going to be utterly obliterated by the time the process is through.
01:14:28.000And I think that this is one of the things that, you know, the archaeologists and the prehistorians, people are looking at that, have failed to take into account the severity of these events we're talking about.
01:14:40.000Because the question always is, where are the artifacts?
01:15:29.000You know, it's going to be just rubble that gets reincorporated just into the geological stratum, and it's going to be very difficult to differentiate, for example, from what's called a conglomeratic rock, which is basically we have just a huge jumble of broken rock cemented together.
01:15:47.000Now, within there, there could be all kinds of stuff that's not even recognized as being artificial, in the sense that humans had anything to do with it.
01:15:55.000The other thing is, when we talk about these ancient technologies, if we're only looking for a mere reflection of ourselves, we could overlook it completely, because I think there's evidence that exists now.
01:16:09.000I mean, some modern researchers whose work has been Buried or suppressed, I think we're getting very close to rediscovering some of the things that our ancient ancestors were up to.
01:16:23.000And maybe this would be worth a whole show in itself.
01:16:27.000We could dive into this, and I don't want to get into that today.
01:16:30.000But what kind of technologies are you talking about?
01:17:24.000And I've had the privilege of talking to some of these people over the last six or seven years.
01:17:29.000And right now, as we're speaking, there's a group of people who are basically going to open source a whole lot of stuff in the next three months, so it can never get suppressed again.
01:17:41.000And that's why I'd like to come back and talk in more detail.
01:17:44.000Well, I'd love to have you come back and talk about it, but we've got to talk about it a little bit now.
01:17:52.000There's a laboratory right now in the Maldives that's been building prototypes using these technological principles, which are based on implosion rather than explosion.
01:18:04.000And the inspiration for this— And Tesla's ideas are part of it, I think you mentioned.
01:18:09.000Tesla's ideas are very much a part of it.
01:18:12.000Yes, Tesla's ideas are very much a part of it.
01:18:15.000So is—I don't know if you ever—Victor Schauberger, who did the work with water and discovered Jamie, could you look up Victor?
01:18:26.000Oh, I have the cable now, don't I? Take it back.
01:18:37.000I think the key thing is we're looking at technologies that are not the same as ours.
01:18:41.000And that's partly why archaeologists can't see them because they're looking for us in the past and they're not open to the possibility that there are whole other kinds of technology that could be used.
01:18:51.000I always go back to the ancient Egyptian traditions that speak of priests chanting as these huge blocks were lifted into the air.
01:18:59.000Were they using some kind of sound Some kind of use of sound that was able to manipulate matter.
01:19:07.000We know that sound can manipulate matter as a matter of fact but they're lifting these blocks again and again it appears in ancient Egyptian traditions.
01:19:14.000The notion that we could lift huge blocks with sound seems absurd to archaeologists and yet it's there in the traditions of the Egyptologists and what Randall's talking about now I think that's what's important about what you're saying is that we have this very limited idea of technology based on what we've experienced.
01:19:50.000If you think about the amount of progress that we've achieved as modern humans just in the last few hundred years, if you go back 400 years to now, it's a stunning amount of achievement.
01:21:47.000That's the beginning of the concept, because it's vibrating.
01:21:51.000Everything vibrates at a frequency, and if you know that frequency, You can control things.
01:21:57.000And I think that's the basic idea of what we're looking at here.
01:22:00.000And it's all based upon the ancient numbers.
01:22:04.000And they're developing technologies right now, and they have been.
01:22:08.000I was recently contacted and given the go-ahead that I could talk.
01:22:13.000I've been sitting on this for seven years without talking about it because they asked me not to talk about it until they had their patents in place and their licensing.
01:22:21.000That's all happened since last summer.
01:22:57.000Well this is the model and this is diagramming all the frequencies of the elements and what their vibrational frequencies are and the numbers that measure those frequencies And they're all the numbers we get from looking at these ancient traditions that recur over and over and over again that I've been talking about in my sacred geometry classes for decades without knowing what the final result was going to be.
01:23:24.000So this inventor who's working with this small group contacted me and this is what he told me.
01:23:48.000I have videos of the testing of the prototypes.
01:23:52.000And Mazda, the car manufacturer in Japan, is getting ready to do a $25 million testing of some of these prototypes that they believe they can retrofit internal combustion engines with.
01:24:05.000And there's over a hundred, they've developed over a hundred patents on some of this stuff.
01:24:17.000Plasmoids, as it says here, are donut or toroidal shaped clusters of net protons or net electrons that once captured and placed into a toroidal orbit are capable of absorbing, storing, and releasing enormous amounts of energy within their self-generated and structured electromagnetic containment field.
01:24:38.000Plasmoids, in effect, function as an atomic battery that can be self-charging due to its ability to convert matter to available clean energy.
01:24:46.000So it's a lot to get into and I think it would take us kind of off what we're here to talk about today.
01:24:52.000But at least what's promising is that there is some at least research or understanding And it's actually quite mature at this point.
01:25:02.000And in order to avoid the kinds of fate that befell Tesla and Reich, Robert Oppenheimer, Victor Schauberger, and so many others that were working in these fields, all kind of converging on this same insight.
01:25:42.000I also think that, you know, there are huge corporations that have very large investments in a particular path of technology, which is ours.
01:25:49.000And for somebody to come up with a whole new path of technology, it's very threatening to them.
01:25:55.000And much better from their point of view to suppress it, or if they can't suppress it, to kind of buy it and hide it and keep things on the track that they're on now.
01:26:07.000And maybe for people that are curious about this and maybe even skeptical, consider the massive change that nuclear power provided us, whereas before the 1940s this was unheard of, even the concept of it.
01:26:24.000And all of a sudden now we have nuclear power, nuclear weapons, the most profound power known to man currently.
01:27:20.000I would absolutely insist that nobody has the right to run for head of state or head of government unless they've had a dozen experiences with ayahuasca.
01:27:30.000Let them have those experiences first.
01:27:32.000Mushrooms will do the job just as well.
01:27:35.000A dozen major doses of mushrooms will do the job just as well lead to that self-examination that we see so little of in our politicians today.
01:27:44.000And I think many of them would actually decide, actually, I don't want to be a politician anymore.
01:28:39.000But you know what it comes down to is, you know, right now everything is going on in the world is basically about the control of energy and resources.
01:28:47.000And if there was a way of technology or energy that could do an end run around this idea that we live in a Malthusian reality and we have to have this You know, fight to the end over who's gonna control the energy and who's gonna control the resources.
01:29:06.000It would render our entire foreign policy, our military policy, all of that irrelevant.
01:29:12.000And from what I've seen about, and my evolving opinion about the possibility of there being ancient technology, that if there was an ancient technology, it should be possible to recover it.
01:29:28.000And what I've seen in the last half a decade or more has initially skeptical, but as I've learned more, you know, gone arduously through these patents and things, I've become convinced that, yeah, there is something here.
01:29:44.000That there are people who have been working on these things, and they would like My role, as they've requested to me, is these guys are academic scientists, inventors.
01:29:58.000A couple of people that I've met recently who are putting the money up into this are basically in the energy industry, who have seen the prototypes.
01:30:08.000I had a meeting in September, or not September, about a month ago, October, early October, with four gentlemen that are putting the money into this, developing these prototypes.
01:30:21.000One of them said to me, well, when I first heard this, I didn't believe this was possible.
01:30:26.000But he says, I've seen the machines, I've seen the technology work, I'm now convinced.
01:30:34.000So they've done their initial prototypes, and now they're going to do this major testing.
01:30:40.000Mazda, automobile manufacturer in Japan, has come on board and said, you can use our laboratories.
01:30:46.000And because, of course, what they're thinking is that they may be able to get an end run around all the other competition.
01:30:55.000And one of the things, and when I come back, we can look into this.
01:30:59.000I've got the videos of testing the prototypes, like taking one of the gentlemen that I met with his nephew or son-in-law, mechanical engineer.
01:31:10.000Who took one of the devices and it took four hours.
01:31:13.000They retrofitted an internal combustion engine because what this device does is it recycles all of the waste products.
01:31:23.000Heat products, carbon dioxide, everything that's coming out of an internal combustion engine gets captured and recycled and converted back to energy.
01:31:32.000The initial test showed that the internal combustion engine went from about a 30% efficiency to 80% efficiency.
01:31:41.000And this is just the initial prototypes.
01:31:50.000So they're going to open source all of it within the next few months around the world.
01:31:56.000So they're looking for venues to put this information out because, like Malcolm there, the inventor you saw, he says, you know, this is my legacy and I want the world to have this.
01:32:10.000Well, I was going to say as you say, they've had to keep it secret up till now.
01:32:14.000Precisely because of the nature of the world that we live in.
01:32:19.000And I would say that we live in a system that is very controlling, that works through very clever means to control the way people think.
01:32:31.000But that the younger generation is beginning to break free of that in exciting ways.
01:32:38.000And I would say that archaeology Strangely enough, is a very important part of that system of control.
01:32:46.000If archaeologists can convince us that we are the end product of a long, steady evolution, we're the apex and the pinnacle of human achievement, then it justifies everything else that goes on in the world right now.
01:33:01.000Any chance of pulling up the enemy number one clip in a minute?
01:33:51.000Against this intruder who is attacking you in one way or another.
01:33:57.000So I don't think that it's a calculated conspiracy in that way.
01:34:02.000But I do think that advantage is being taken of it by other powers, by the powers that be.
01:34:08.000I mean, I don't want to get into the whole COVID and vaccine issue too much right now There's a lot I don't know about that.
01:34:16.000But one thing I do know for sure is that the whole COVID and vaccine issue has been deliberately, carefully used by governments.
01:34:24.000They've taken advantage of it to inculcate and encourage a habit of obedience in the population that we just kind of automatically say yes.
01:34:34.000And that's part of the controlling powers in our society fighting back against this tendency to individuality.
01:34:43.000And that's why I say we live in the middle of a paradigm shift where things are – we're in struggle right now.
01:34:49.000And either one side or the other is going to win.
01:34:51.000But I believe that the force of good is a real force and that the ability to think freely and think independently that the younger generation is showing is going to triumph in the long run.
01:35:01.000And what is this enemy number one video?
01:35:04.000Do we need to pass the sacred HDMI cable?
01:35:22.000And yeah, I guess that's it, simply by proposing a different point of view.
01:35:27.000So it's just another short clip from Ancient Apocalypse.
01:35:30.000This idea is upsetting to the so-called experts, who insist that the only humans who existed during the Ice Age were simple hunter-gatherers.
01:35:41.000That automatically makes me enemy number one to archaeologists.
01:36:24.000I mean, to make an eight-episode TV series when the world was shut down, the number of quarantines we had to do in places like Indonesia in order to get this job done.
01:36:35.000But we powered through and we got it done.
01:36:38.000And I hope that the series is going to make a difference.
01:36:41.000I'm just going to be part of that Providing an alternative source of information to people who are fed up with being told what to think by the so-called experts.
01:36:50.000I'm certain it'll provide a lot of inspiration for people to think differently.
01:36:55.000Now, the possibility of this technology existing that we're talking about, existing in the past, would this technology be made with metal?
01:37:07.000Would these engines, these alternative technology engines, and if they were, we really wouldn't find evidence of them today?
01:37:16.000I think we should be open-minded to a whole range of possibilities.
01:37:22.000One of the issues that gets me into a lot of trouble with archaeologists is that I think there are latent human abilities which we are not using.
01:37:34.000I don't know if you've ever had Rupert Sheldrake on your show.
01:37:37.000So Rupert has done a lot of work on telepathy, real solid scientific work, just like why does your dog know when you're coming home?
01:37:46.000He did a series of controlled experiments where the owner came home at random different times of day.
01:37:52.000And the dog always knew when he was coming.
01:37:54.000Some kind of telepathic message was passing back and forward.
01:37:57.000Rupert Sheldrake has shown that telepathy is a real thing.
01:38:02.000We're thinking there's somebody and the next second the phone rings and it's that person.
01:38:07.000But Rupert has done very thoroughly detailed statistical work on this and shown that it's far beyond chance.
01:38:14.000That this is a real ability that humans have, but that we're persuaded in our society to think does not exist.
01:38:20.000What about telekinesis, the ability to move objects with the mind?
01:38:24.000That sounds like Stephen King territory, but maybe we can do it.
01:38:28.000Again, our society has rested all its faith on leverage and mechanical advantage and a particular path of technology, and we've allowed what I think may be latent human abilities to fall into The abyss and not to be used anymore,
01:38:44.000so much so that we laugh at ourselves for even thinking of them.
01:38:47.000And whenever I mention things like telepathy or telekinesis, I'm not pinning my whole thesis on that.
01:38:52.000I just think it's something we should be open to.
01:38:54.000Well, if an ancient civilization were using those innate human abilities that we've forgotten how to use today, there would, of course, be no physical evidence for it whatsoever.
01:39:05.000There'd only be the results of what they did, like those 70-ton blocks lifted 350 feet in the air Covering the roof of the King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid.
01:39:15.000Impossible to explain in terms of leverage and mechanical advantage, but perhaps another explanation is needed.
01:39:21.000Also so profoundly advanced in terms of their ability to move immensely huge objects that it makes you consider in a way where we're talking about...
01:39:34.000Look, even if we use the conventional dating of 2500 BC, how?
01:41:20.000And it's such a lazy way to dismiss the data rather than getting to grips with the data and saying, could this really have happened by coincidence or is something going on here?
01:41:30.000See, there are these key numbers that recur over and over again.
01:41:42.000And one of those key numbers, what Bert Graham just said, 43,200.
01:41:47.000Or, you know, and even in the way we still measure time today, if you think about how do we measure the length of one rotation of the Earth on its axis, the meridian lining up with the center of the Sun,
01:42:03.000we've divided that into seconds, right?
01:42:07.00024 hours is the exact period of the Earth's rotation with respect to the Sun, okay?
01:42:15.00024 hours times 60 times 60 means there's 86,400 seconds exactly in that period.
01:42:24.000On the moment of vernal equinox, the period of time of darkness and of light are exactly equal, 43,200.
01:42:36.000That number is the scaling ratio of the pyramid.
01:42:40.000If we were to take the pyramid as it is today on the Giza Plateau, enlarge it by a factor of 43,200, as Graham said, the height of it is literally within a few hundred feet of being the polar radius of the Earth.
01:42:54.000And in fact, the range of error is within the range of error of our most accurate modern satellite surveys.
01:43:04.000And when I come back, I could easily demonstrate that.
01:43:08.000I put together the slides to show exactly how it's done.
01:43:13.000The geometry of the height, the ratio of the height to the square base, solves the ancient geometric problem of the squaring of the circle.
01:43:22.000Because what they've basically done is that if you enlarge that pyramid by 43,200, The square base now becomes precisely the equatorial circumference of the Earth.
01:43:36.000And for somebody to say, this is just coincidence, well, if it was one example, or two examples, no, there's dozens of examples like this where you could show that somehow somebody seemed to know something beyond what they've been given credit for.
01:43:53.000Something that they shouldn't have known at the time that that structure is supposed to have been built.
01:43:58.000What we're looking at in the Great Pyramid and many other structures around the world staring us in the face, almost slapping us in the face, is evidence of a lost technology.
01:44:07.000And yet it's so resisted and so sneered upon By mainstream academia.
01:44:13.000This is one of the things I really find very uncomfortable about archaeology is the way that they sneer at alternative ideas.
01:44:19.000You know, the fact that I've taken psychedelics?
01:44:21.000That is used against me all the time by my critics.
01:44:24.000Oh, you know, Hancock takes drugs, so you shouldn't listen to anything that he says.
01:44:42.000It's also, it's like, what has he gotten out of those drugs, and why are you so dismissive of that?
01:44:48.000I'm so fascinated by the possibility of this ancient technology existing and what form it existed in.
01:44:57.000If they really did have the ability to calculate as you're describing and they did it with such incredible accuracy and the way you're laying it out, it's almost undeniable.
01:45:08.000The possibility of coincidence is far less than the possibility of calculation.
01:45:28.000And I think there's a need for disruptors and contrarians in the world.
01:45:31.000No matter how much they insult me, no matter how much they insult Randall, the information that we're putting out there sooner or later is going to do some good.
01:45:40.000How far back do you think this technology goes?
01:45:43.000I keep pressing this because I want to get an understanding of what's the long end of this.
01:45:48.000How far back do you think human sophisticated civilization existed?
01:45:56.000If the conventional idea is ancient Sumer, 6000, Mesopotamia, 6000 plus years ago, how far do you think we're talking about?
01:46:05.000Well, first and foremost, I can't give you absolute facts here.
01:46:10.000I'm working on my ideas about the past.
01:46:14.000I think it's a civilization that went back deep into the last ice age, maybe as far back as 100,000 years into the past.
01:46:21.000I think it's a civilization that emerged out of hunter-gatherer societies and emerged out of shamanism.
01:46:28.000You encounter shamans in the Amazon rainforest today who are using ayahuasca.
01:46:33.000Well, ayahuasca is a miracle in itself.
01:46:36.000There's, what is it, 100,000 plus different species of plants and trees in the Amazon.
01:46:41.000You have to put two of them together to create the ayahuasca brew.
01:46:46.000One of them contains DMT and the other contains a monoamine oxidase inhibitor.
01:46:54.000That's why we have to smoke it in order to get the effect.
01:46:57.000But what they've done in the Amazon is make it orally active.
01:47:01.000By combining it with the ayahuasca vine, which contains the monoamine oxidase inhibitor that switches off an enzyme in the stomach that allows the gut to absorb the DMT and for it to enter the brain.
01:47:13.000Now that is science that we're looking at there.
01:47:20.000Science emerging from a shamanistic society makes perfect sense to me.
01:47:25.000And again, this is where the archaeologists roll their eyes.
01:47:28.000But when you ask those shamans in the Amazon, where did your ancestors get the knowledge to make ayahuasca come from?
01:47:34.000I mean, surely it can't have been done by trial and error.
01:47:37.000When you've got 100,000 different species of plants and trees, you're taking two, neither of which is active on its own, which only work when they're combined together.
01:47:57.000And in the Yopo trance, they were taught how to make ayahuasca.
01:48:02.000So the idea, ludicrous as it may seem to archaeologists, that shamanistic societies can create science seems to make perfect sense to me.
01:48:12.000And I think the lost civilization I'm talking about emerged out of shamanism.
01:48:17.000But it then went further steps ahead than other hunter-gatherer societies.
01:48:23.000And unlike our civilization today, which is in the process of destroying the last hunter-gatherer civilizations on Earth, some members of our civilization – I'm very glad the way the election just went in Brazil because we need to preserve the Amazon rainforest.
01:48:38.000It's madness to cut down the Amazon rainforest and turn it into soya bean farms.
01:48:45.000Our civilization today has no respect for nature, no respect for hunter-gatherers who are people with an enormous store of knowledge of how to survive on this planet.
01:48:55.000I think that the ancient civilization I'm talking about had great respect for its roots, for its origins in hunter-gatherer civilizations and that's why I don't think they contaminated them too much.
01:49:06.000They stayed away from them and pursued their own path once they'd achieved these levels of technology.
01:49:13.000You often talk about the use of LIDAR and ground-penetrating radar and how they've uncovered these structures.
01:49:22.000The ancient Amazon rainforest was filled with massive civilizations.
01:49:28.000Yes, absolutely no doubt about it now.
01:49:30.000Is it possible that these massive civilizations were also advanced and through the use of pharmacology, the same way we understand how to synthesize Yes,
01:49:45.000it's perfectly possible that there is science in the hunter-gatherer mode of life and that they applied that science.
01:49:56.000The Amazon is not entirely a natural product.
01:50:43.000It used to be 7 million square kilometers.
01:50:46.000About 2 million square kilometers have been cut down by our rapacious, short-sighted, idiotic civilization.
01:50:53.000But 5 million square kilometers are left and we're just beginning to get a hint of what's underneath them.
01:50:59.000As a result of LIDAR, this technique like light imaging and detection ranging, which flies, you can fly a plane over a section of rainforest and without damaging anything, you can see what's underneath that rainforest.
01:51:12.000And what's underneath it is gigantic geometrical structures, huge squares, circles, a circle surrounded by a square.
01:51:39.000And I've tried to say to them, if you want to do some good with your money, put it into a major LIDAR survey of the Amazon.
01:51:45.000Because right now, only a tiny section of the state of Acre in Brazil has been surveyed by LIDAR. And what's come out of there, they're even finding pyramids in the middle of the Amazon.
01:51:55.000And then once they're found, archaeologists can go to them and have a look at them.
01:51:59.000Put some money into a proper LiDAR survey of the entire Amazon and our whole idea of the past of the human species may change.
01:52:35.000Well, partly it's very expensive to go do archaeology in the Sahara or in the Amazon, and partly because archaeologists are convinced that they're not going to find anything there.
01:52:48.000It's showing us that there is something to find in the Amazon.
01:52:52.000And I would urge any good-hearted billionaire who wants to see some real changes in our understanding of the past to put some money into LIDAR surveys.
01:53:00.000I know a number of the archaeologists who are doing this, a guy called Marty Partinson, for example.
01:53:05.000Very, very, very important work, but they're doing it on tiny funds.
01:53:12.000Survey the whole Amazon and I think if the whole Amazon is surveyed it's going to radically change the way we view our past.
01:53:18.000One of the problems is that both in archaeology and geology is the focus on a very limited specialized site.
01:53:28.000You will have archaeologists that will spend a decade excavating one site and obviously they're going to know more about that site than anybody far and away.
01:53:40.000What seems to be lacking, and the same with geologists, you know, you'll have geologists who will spend years examining one site, one geological outcrop, determining the lithologies, the petrology, the sedimentary sequence,
01:53:56.000the ages, and they can tell you all about that site.
01:53:59.000What's missing, though, is the big picture.
01:54:02.000Integrating these different parts and these sites, and really this is where There's room for those who are not super specialized to come in and try to come up with some kind of a coherent model that can link these sites together into a big picture.
01:55:14.000And when he dug below it, he found evidence, more evidence of humans, going back tens of thousands of years before Clovis, going back 50,000 years.
01:55:23.000Like so many archaeologists who've broken the mold and found evidence that confronted the dogma, he was shunned by his colleague.
01:55:31.000What was this evidence that he discovered?
01:55:33.000Evidence of human presence in the Americas.
01:55:38.000I'm not saying artifacts of a high civilization.
01:55:40.000I'm just saying evidence that humans were here.
01:55:43.000This dogma that there were no humans in the Americas until 13,000 years ago, that dogma locked the archaeology of the Americas in a single place.
01:55:56.000For 40 or 50 years, and every single archaeologist, Jack Sank-Mars at Bluefish Caves in the Yukon, for example, who found evidence of humans 24,000 years ago, every one of them suffered.
01:56:07.000Their research grants were pulled away from them.
01:56:37.000That gives you a lot of time for things to develop here in the Americas.
01:56:41.000Down in South America, there's a genetic connection Between certain tribes in the Amazon and the peoples of Melanesia, of Papua New Guinea.
01:56:51.000And that connection is not found anywhere in North America.
01:56:57.000So the old notion, again, it's a dogma that human beings crossed the Bering Straits when they were a land bridge.
01:57:03.000In the North and they traveled down through North America into South America.
01:57:06.000It may be that the completely opposite is true, that people were crossing the oceans tens of thousands of years ago, settling first in South America and then migrating North.
01:57:16.000And it's just very difficult for these ideas to become accepted.
01:57:20.000But little by little, this is what happens with paradigm shifts.
01:57:23.000As the new evidence keeps coming in, it becomes more and more absurd to stick to the old idea.
01:57:29.000Now, if you have human beings in the Americas for 130,000 years, then you have a possibility for an advanced civilization to have emerged right here in the Americas, in North America, in South America.
01:57:43.000And if that advanced civilization had based itself in the land that we now call the channeled scaplands, There wouldn't be a single thing left of it because of the pummeling massive forces of flooding that tore across that landscape during the younger dryers.
01:57:59.000Now, the prevailing theory of what happened to the civilization in the Amazon rainforest is disease, right?
01:58:05.000And that prevailing theory is correct.
01:58:08.000There was a Spaniard, Francisco de Oriana, who accidentally managed to travel the entire way across the Amazon, across South America in the 1560s.
01:58:22.000I say accidentally because he was with 20 other guys.
01:58:25.000They were in a boat and they were going hunting.
01:58:27.000But they put the boat on the Amazon River and the Amazon River wouldn't let them come back.
01:58:33.000It carried them, kept on carrying them west and west and west.
01:58:37.000And finally they ended up, they started off in Colombia and finally they ended up...
01:58:42.000On the Atlantic coast of South America.
01:58:44.000Well, on the way through, they observed enormous cities.
01:58:48.000They observed evidence of high civilizations of the Amazon.
01:58:51.000He reported it, but he was disbelieved.
01:58:54.000It was thought that he was making it up, and it's these new LIDAR surveys that have confirmed that he was absolutely correct.
01:59:01.000And God knows what else might be found in the Amazon if the work were actually done.
01:59:06.000So those initial explorers carried diseases?
01:59:22.000Not because of muskets and swords, but because of smallpox.
01:59:26.000Primarily because of smallpox and other diseases that were imported from Europe that the indigenous inhabitants did not have resistance to.
01:59:33.000Just completely decimated those civilizations.
01:59:36.000Almost wiped them completely from human memory.
01:59:40.000There's no doubt that that biological weapon is the reason for the conquest of the Americas, that it was the diseases that were brought in.
01:59:49.000And in some cases, those diseases were deliberately spread, but in other cases, it was just an accident of contact.
01:59:55.000And that's the exact same thing that happened in North America.
02:00:12.000That we're seeing in the story of the Americas.
02:00:18.000And then not just the killing off of the people with the diseases that Europeans brought, but the church, the way that the church behaved in the Americas was appalling.
02:00:28.000The deliberate burning of Mayan codices.
02:00:32.000In one bonfire, 5,000 Mayan books were heaped up and burnt by some idiot priest.
02:00:39.000What's he doing there but wiping out the memory banks of humanity?
02:00:42.000What would we have found in those manuscripts if we'd been able to find them today if they hadn't been burnt by some religious fanatic who was convinced that his ideas were the only right ideas and everybody else was wrong?
02:00:55.000Christianity is responsible for a great deal of harm in this world and it's time Christians sucked it up and got to grips with that instead of regarding themselves as a paragon of virtue because Christianity has done horrific things down through the ages.
02:01:11.000Hopefully it's learned from its experiences.
02:01:36.000They've deprived us of huge libraries of knowledge which would otherwise be available to us.
02:01:42.000That's why I call us a species with amnesia, that we have forgotten so much about our own past.
02:01:49.000And we're in that kind of amnesiac state where we just have a feeling that something's wrong, but we don't quite know what it is.
02:01:57.000It's one of the more fascinating aspects of being a person today is that we have so much access to information and that we can find out about these things now that, you know, if you tried to bring these ideas forth in the 1970s, they'd be easily dismissed.
02:02:13.000But now, because of LIDAR, because of our understanding of what disease did to North America and what the Christians did, it's a far more compelling conversation.
02:03:16.000We'd never put up a single satellite, right?
02:03:19.000We're in a position now where we can really begin to perceive things on levels that a few generations ago were inconceivable, both on the microscopic and certainly we know how important the microscopic realm has been.
02:03:33.000You know, when we start talking about nanodiamonds and microspherals and all of this and being able to demonstrate that these great catastrophes have happened.
02:03:42.000I kind of use the analogy of fingerprints, which Which I borrowed from Graham.
02:03:47.000But fingerprints, you know, on a crime scene, you don't really see those without technological enhancement.
02:03:53.000Footprints, on the other hand, you can see them.
02:03:56.000They're, you know, footprints in the ground.
02:03:59.000So I kind of look at the channel scab lands.
02:04:01.000Those are obvious footprints on the global landscape that are unambiguous, right?
02:04:07.000Then on the other hand, the microspherals, the nanodiamonds, and the things like that, Those are the things that you can't see without the technological enhancement, without scanning electron microscopy or energy dispersive...
02:04:21.000Can I just butt in there to elaborate on the nanodiamonds?
02:04:25.000This is one of the reasons we know that there was a series of airbursts and bits of a comet that hit the Earth 12,800 years ago, because all around the world There is a layer in the soil.
02:04:39.000You can go down to Murray Springs in Arizona.
02:04:41.000There's a draw that was cut by floods there.
02:04:45.000And along the side of the draw, you can see a line in the earth about the width of a human hand.
02:04:51.000And that is the Younger Dryas boundary.
02:04:53.000And it's full of what are called impact proxies, things that could only be created by the massive heat and shock Of an impact of an object from space.
02:05:04.000And those include nanodiamonds, these tiny diamonds which we would not see without high-level tech allowing us to see down into the minuscule world.
02:06:18.000Interestingly enough, that date, June 1908, is one of the two periods in the year, June and November, when the Earth passes through the torrid meteor stream.
02:06:28.000And what happened there was that an object that's estimated to have been about 100 meters in diameter...
02:08:26.000Alright, so this is just sort of a graphic I put together to show The Torrid Meteor Stream, and this is based, there's two ellipses here, which goes back to the work of Fred Whipple way back in the 1940s, who was the first one to realize that the Torrid Meteor Stream was the byproduct of this ongoing fragmentation of an original giant comet.
02:08:49.000Because what he was able to do when he did this succession of photographs is he was able to run the orbits in reverse.
02:08:55.000And once he did that, he could see that these separate pieces within the stream all converged on the same point in space, which told him that they were once one object.
02:09:05.000But anyways, what we've got here is, you'll notice here's Mercury, orbit of Mercury, I should get my glasses here.
02:09:17.000Orbit of Venus, and then this third ring here is the orbit of the Earth.
02:09:21.000The green arrows show the direction of the orbit, so here's the orbit of the Earth.
02:09:26.000And here is the green arrows again show the direction of orbit of the stream.
02:09:32.000And you can see that the Earth's orbit crosses the stream late June, early July, right here.
02:09:39.000And then again, it crosses the stream around now, November, late October, early November.
02:09:45.000And this has led the Torrid Stream to sometimes be referred to as the Halloween meteors, because they peak right around Halloween.
02:09:54.000Okay, so what was the date of Tunguska?
02:10:04.000The other thing was that the position where the meteor emanated from space was perfect because you can see that as the stream comes around the sun, If you're here on the earth and you're looking up the stream,
02:10:21.000and here was the problem, why the object wasn't seen until the last few moments is because you had to almost look directly into the sun.
02:10:30.000And that's why people, some of the eyewitnesses described it, it looked like the object was born out of the sun or that the sun split in two.
02:10:40.000And this fiery object came and exploded.
02:10:58.000A whole presentation on October 30th talking about the universal observance of the Festival of the Dead and its connections with the Torrid Meteor Stream.
02:11:43.000And the Pleiades in traditional astrological context is the shoulder of the bull, Taurus the bull.
02:11:54.000And you can go back and there's lots of mythologies about, you know, the Epic of Gilgamesh where the Gilchamesh and Enkidu do battle with the Bull of Heaven.
02:12:06.000And that's why it's called the Taurid Meteor Stream, because it appears to emanate from the region of space in which the constellation of Taurus is.
02:12:13.000It's not coming to us from Taurus, but it looks like it is.
02:14:38.000It's clear that there was a peak of impacts 12,800 years ago.
02:14:41.000I personally think this is not the Comet Research Group point of view, but I think it was another series of impacts 11,600 years ago that brought the Younger Dryas to an end.
02:14:51.000And quite possibly an impact in a major ocean that led to the global warming with a huge cloud of water vapor.
02:15:41.000If the object that exploded over Siberia in 1908 had exploded over a major city, we'd all be paying very close attention to the torrid meteor stream today because the results would have been absolutely catastrophic.
02:15:54.000But then, as Randall says, take that back 12,800 years ago.
02:15:57.000Look at the massive bombardment that took place then, evidence as far west as the west coast of America, evidence as far east as Syria.
02:16:09.000Thousands of airbursts, huge numbers of objects coming in, some of them hitting the North American ice cap physically, some of them actually exploding in the air.
02:16:18.000The end result fully explains how we could have lost a whole civilization from the record.
02:16:25.000That's so compelling and so based on evidence.
02:17:06.000Dart, pushing an asteroid just slightly off course.
02:17:12.000We now know that that's a practical possibility.
02:17:14.000That's all you'd need to do with the dangerous objects in the torrid meteor stream.
02:17:18.000But it would require a combined effort of all the advanced cultures on Earth today in order to bring that about.
02:17:24.000It would be a big project, but it would be a worthy project.
02:17:27.000And I can think of many unworthy projects that the big nations are investing in at the moment, which we really don't need.
02:17:34.000This would be one that would be really rather useful.
02:17:37.000Yeah, wouldn't it be better to cooperate and come up with a way of defending this planet?
02:17:43.000And see, you talk to some people about this and they kind of consign it to the realm of science fiction.
02:17:50.000But clearly, I mean, just a couple of days ago, a new asteroid was discovered within the orbit of Venus that had been completely invisible.
02:17:58.000Now, it's not Earth crossing, but I think we mentioned this.
02:18:01.000The last time I was on here, you remember, I went through this whole series since the late 1980s showing the near misses that have occurred every few months.
02:18:12.000Over and over again, I showed that on your show the last time I was here.
02:18:35.000And that's why I think we're not only dealing with a lost civilization of the past, we're also dealing with a potential lost civilization of the future.
02:18:44.000And if that happened to us, one of the big problems with today's information is it's stored on hard drives.
02:18:54.000And another big problem is that the majority of people in the advanced industrialized so-called civilizations don't have a clue about how to survive.
02:19:24.00012,000, 11,000 years ago, the survivors of a higher civilization.
02:19:28.000I don't like the word higher, but a different kind of civilization took refuge amongst hunter-gatherers and created projects like Gobekli Tepe, which were used to instruct and to teach and to bring in something new.
02:19:43.000We have two episodes in Turkey in my series.
02:19:48.000One episode is all about Gobekli Tepe, but Gobekli Tepe, 11,600 years old, isn't alone.
02:19:54.000There's another site we were the first film crew to get into called Karahan Tepe, which has now been excavated.
02:20:58.000You can only date objects that were left in them.
02:21:01.000You can't say when they were actually made.
02:21:03.000What makes sense of those underground cities to me is that they were built as places of refuge that people could go into during an episode of meteor bombardment during the Younger Dryas because there wasn't just the one 12,800 years ago.
02:21:17.000There were multiple episodes over the next 1,200 years.
02:21:19.000It makes sense that these underground cities were built as places of shelter, not as places to hide from an invading army.
02:21:26.000The last place you want to go if you have an invading army is to go hide underground.
02:21:30.000All they have to do is block up the entrances.
02:21:32.000They don't even have to fight you, you know.
02:21:34.000But if you're dealing with a periodic event which will be over in a couple of weeks, they're great places to retreat into.
02:21:41.000The evidence is all around us, all around the world.
02:21:43.000And that's why I've made this series because I want to show people that it's not just a single thing.
02:23:28.000And the fact that objects have been dated to certain periods does not tell us when they were used.
02:23:32.000Every new culture that went in there would have removed most of the stuff that was in there before.
02:23:37.000But when you ask yourself what was the motive for creating something like this, the motive is clearly to hide from a danger from above, in my view.
02:24:23.000Yep, they have vents to the sky to allow air to come in.
02:24:27.000But you have to consider, if you've got 10,000 or 15,000 people in there, They can't really stay in there much longer than about two or three weeks, which is about the time it takes to pass through the taurid meteor stream.
02:24:39.000Otherwise, you're going to get a huge amount of human refuse built up inside these.
02:24:43.000They're going to become inhospitable places.
02:24:46.000But if they're only to be used for two weeks at a time, then they're fine.
02:26:20.000I kind of was getting the gist of it, but when I read that, I'm like, oh, wow.
02:26:25.000Because here was, I had studied considerably in depth into the North American monumental earthworks, have visited most of the extant ones that still remain, very impressive, and then find out there's even a greater magnitude in South America,
02:27:12.000There's such an incongruity there between the idea of hunter-gatherers or even subsistence farmers undertaking projects of such enormous magnitude.
02:27:23.000To me, there's just a disparity there.
02:27:28.000The so-called Mound Builder culture of North America has been hugely underestimated and not given the priority it deserves.
02:27:36.000That's why we devoted one episode of this series to the Mound Builder sites in North America, to Serpent Mound, to Poverty Point in Louisiana.
02:28:22.000But it's directly connected to another site, Watson Break, which is just a mile to the south.
02:28:28.000It's lined up perfectly with Watson Break.
02:28:31.000The two sites are anchored to one another.
02:28:33.000Watson Break goes back 5,300 years ago.
02:28:36.000There are other sites that go back 8,000 years ago.
02:28:39.000And these are just the ones that have survived.
02:28:41.000I think that mound builder culture, as it's called in North America, goes back deep into the Ice Age as well.
02:28:47.000We're looking again at a mystery that we only have fragments of it to try and draw conclusions from.
02:28:56.000But those fragments speak to a majesty in the past of North America that has been largely ignored.
02:29:04.000And part of the reason that it was ignored was that in the process of settling North America, it was felt useful to diminish the achievements of those whose lands were being taken over.
02:29:16.000To regard them as inferior in some way rather than superior.
02:29:21.000But when you look at the works of their hands, you see that superior people were definitely involved in North America and that they have a very ancient culture, which has been, you know, sadly, sadly unrecognized.
02:29:32.000And again, with the destruction caused by the Younger Dryas impact theory, most of it would be gone.
02:29:41.000The effect of that cannot be overestimated.
02:29:46.000The scale of the flooding across North America in the four or five hundred miles south of the ice cap, roughly the ice cap went down roughly, what, to about Minnesota?
02:30:03.000Anything that was there that would speak to our past was destroyed by nature, completely destroyed before other human beings came along and destroyed it further.
02:30:12.000And I just think it's important that That we allow alternative voices to speak out, and that's one of the things that I really appreciate about your show, Joe, because you have a major platform,
02:30:29.000you reach a major audience, and what you're doing is you're allowing alternative voices to speak out.
02:30:34.000A lot of people misunderstand what you're doing, but what you're doing is actually allowing voices that had been suppressed To speak out and thus provide the general public with more options, with more to think about than they had before.
02:32:32.000It would be fascinating to see their argument about the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, about all of this, because it seems so compelling and so overwhelmingly evidence-based.
02:33:47.000That's very encouraging to me too because I take a lot of flack and a lot of insults for what I do and for what I say.
02:33:55.000And what's happened little bit by little bit is the evidence has come in which doesn't allow those critics to say what they – they still say it but they can't say it with any authority anymore.
02:34:07.000Gobekli Tepe just destroyed the argument that the Sphinx can't be 12,000 years old.
02:34:12.000The Younger Dryas impact hypothesis destroys the argument that there was no cataclysm 12,000 years ago.
02:34:18.000There's just more and more evidence coming out, and I think we're going to see much more of it in the future.
02:35:00.000One of the good things about this, we're having a number of the scientists from the Comet Research Group who are going to join us and speak at the event.
02:35:07.000So it's going to be a mixture of outsiders, alternative thinkers like ourselves, and mainstream scientists who are proposing this new science.
02:35:41.000He's, well, you can read about him right there.
02:35:45.000Former commander of the U.S. Space Force, Air Force Academy graduate, fighter pilot, relieved of his duties in 2021 for writing a book encouraging the reform of the U.S. military.
02:36:03.000What was that book that he wrote that relieved him of his duties?
02:36:08.000He was basically exposing the wokeness that was infecting the military, the political correctness and the wokeness.
02:36:18.000They spent millions of dollars training this guy and then they dismiss him because he was telling the truth about what's happening, how the military is becoming a political tool, which it's not supposed to be.
02:37:10.000Jamie, pull up Matt Lohmeyer, Donald Trump.
02:37:15.000And there's a video where he's got the whole Space Force behind him.
02:37:20.000He's meeting with Donald Trump, talking about the mission of Space Force.
02:37:25.000Well, he contacted me and said that he was very interested in the idea of planetary defense.
02:37:31.000And he said there was a group within the Space Force that saw that as being a part of their mission.
02:37:38.000So he had set up, I was going to go and do a presentation to the base commanders of the whole Space Force on planetary defense and the need for planetary defense, and then the COVID hit.
02:37:52.000Then he reorganized a second possible presentation, and the dates of the venue and everything was set, and then he got the boot because his book came out.
02:38:03.000And I think he went on, maybe he was on Tucker Carlson, maybe, talking about his book and the wokeness in the military and like within a week he'd been given the boot.
02:38:16.000So that's, I think he's going to be talking planetary defense against asteroid impacts.
02:38:32.000It's incredibly effective in shutting down alternative voices.
02:38:36.000Our governments behave as though citizens who are adults are not adults, that they're children, that they can't make decisions for themselves.
02:38:44.000We have to respect the intelligence of the man in the street.
02:38:48.000Present everybody with all the information and let them make up their own minds.
02:38:52.000Let's not censor information before it gets out there.
02:38:54.000And the fact that this happens to me in archaeology is just a tiny slice of what's happening all over the world today.
02:39:01.000That there's a narrative which is being forced down the throat of the public.
02:39:05.000And alternative views are being shut down very, very carefully.
02:39:16.000I mean that – when the people have control of information, they want to retain control of information and the dissemination of that information.
02:39:22.000And when you look at people who go into politics, why do they even choose to do that?
02:39:33.000In my view, we need much less government.
02:39:36.000Government is the most unhealthy thing.
02:39:38.000Next to religion, governments are amongst the influences in the world that are causing so much chaos and so much misery in the world and are spreading hatred and fear and suspicion all the time.
02:39:49.000We should have reached the stage where we're able to lead ourselves, where leaders should be really just working for us, not dominating and controlling us.
02:39:59.000We need to reach that stage fast if we're going to move forward as a human species, because right now the leadership of this planet is just full of shit from beginning to end.
02:40:08.000Well, the only thing that gives me hope about that is the resurgence of the interest in psychedelics.
02:40:14.000The more people embrace that and the more people have these experiences, the more people will start to gradually understand that that really is the only way out of this.
02:41:15.000You know, how did you manage to pull this off?
02:41:17.000And he said, well, I went in with like a dozen of my SEAL buddies into a variety of congressman's office, and we basically walked in and said, you're going to do this.
02:41:39.000And tremendously benefited by their experiences.
02:41:44.000Well, it's a crazy aspect of the military and war that we expect these people to have these insane, violent experiences overseas and then come back and just integrate into society.
02:42:42.000Everybody – Canadians get annoyed with me and they say, look, cannabis is legal across Canada and it is and that's true and that's great.
02:42:51.000What's needed – what's happening in America is people are taking their power back.
02:42:56.000And if they're taking their power back over their own bodies and their own health and their own consciousness, then the next step is to take their power back in lots of other ways as well.
02:43:05.000And that's why there's so much resistance to this idea, and that's why there's so much of a power reach by the federal government, because they don't want that to happen.
02:43:15.000They want people to be passive yes-men and women who don't ever argue with them.
02:43:20.000And the evidence, you see that as what you're talking about, this forced compliance during COVID. Historically, governments have taken advantage over whenever there's a big situation where some sort of a disaster or national tragedy to grasp more power.
02:43:39.000And as I said earlier, to deliberate, calculated strategy to encourage a habit of obedience so that it becomes habitual to obey.
02:43:49.000And, you know, whatever COVID is, whatever it is or it isn't, however it came about, whatever its cause and origins were, the one thing's clear.
02:43:58.000It's been used To encourage obedience.
02:44:02.000And it's been used very cleverly to encourage obedience.
02:44:05.000And we do not need to be obedient to these monsters who are running the world.
02:44:09.000We need to change things and bring the normal everyday citizen back into the dialogue.
02:44:19.000The downside of it was this encouraging of obedience.
02:44:23.000But the encouraging thing about it, to me, is that so many people are recognizing what happened now.
02:44:30.000And so many people are far more distrusting of the government narratives and the medical industry and the pharmaceutical industry, and that they've realized that they've been used for profit.
02:44:42.000And that this narrative has shifted into fear-mongering, specifically designed to get more profit.
02:44:50.000I think, like Graham said, I think the government and those in power want a flock of obedient sheep.
02:44:59.000But I think it's time now for the lions to exert themselves.
02:45:22.000And I think there's a lot of encouragement about the way people are discussing things today.
02:45:28.000That seems to me there's a lot of very reasonable people that have actually changed their perspective over COVID. They had a narrative in their mind about the role of the federal government, and then seeing it kind of running amok over the last few years, they've realized, oh, this is a dangerous trend.
02:45:42.000And if this continues, you're going to have...
02:45:44.000Some sort of a centralized digital currency.
02:45:47.000You're going to have a social credit score system.
02:46:09.000Is that we have freedom, freedom of thought, freedom of expression, freedom to debate ideas and to propose alternative ideas and freedom to live your life the way you want to live.
02:46:19.000That's the beautiful thing about states' rights.
02:46:23.000And it's exactly that issue that I'm up against with archaeology and the past.
02:46:28.000Just as I would like adults to have sovereignty over their own consciousness, I would also like us all to have sovereignty over our own past and not to be told what to think about the past.
02:46:39.000If this is successful on Netflix, has there been any discussions about future episodes, future seasons?
02:46:50.000Well, Netflix is the law of the jungle.
02:46:52.000So if the series is successful, I hope that there will be a second season.
02:46:59.000And if it's not successful, there definitely won't be a second season.
02:47:08.000And if they do in that second season, I would like to look at psychedelics and I'd like to look at the Amazon.
02:47:15.000I'd like to spend much more time in the Amazon looking at that and the way that psychedelics are used there and also at the mysterious backstory of the Amazon, which so far is not being told.
02:47:27.000But we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
02:47:29.000Either this series will work or it won't work.
02:47:34.000And if I can do a little plug, it launches on Netflix on the 11th of November 2022. All episodes will be released at once so people can watch it in one night if they wish to do so.
02:48:12.000That's going to be the one called Horizon, Jamie.
02:48:21.000For 30 years, I've been looking for something I was told couldn't possibly exist.
02:48:28.000An advanced human civilization much older than our own, lost to history.
02:48:36.000The mainstream version of history says that after the end of the Ice Age...
02:48:42.000On their own initiative, our hunter-gatherer ancestors suddenly began farming and raising livestock, creating settlements and eventually cities, until the first civilizations emerged around 6,000 years ago.
02:48:59.000But new discoveries keep on pushing that horizon back.
02:49:22.000We're going to make sure people watch it.
02:49:24.000I think there's kind of a network of various researchers who are looking at different aspects of this and trying to get this word out in different ways.
02:49:34.000And many of them I've brought together in this series.
02:50:45.000Without your support, archaeology would have succeeded in keeping my mouth shut and in keeping me out of the public view.
02:50:53.000Your support has made all that difference.
02:50:55.000Well, it's one of the main things that I love about doing this show is to be able to expose people to really exciting, and in this case, I think very important ideas.
02:51:43.000My thought is you're going to have a tough time convincing them to come on.
02:51:47.000Well, maybe as you were saying that as these gatekeepers die off and as younger archaeologists are more open-minded and so many people who maybe got into archaeology because of this.
02:52:11.000But they have to keep their mouth shut.
02:52:12.000They don't want their bosses to know, but they have read my books and that they are interested.
02:52:17.000I think that just as the younger generation in every area is breaking the old boundaries, I think that's happening in archaeology too.
02:52:24.000And I don't want to be somebody who's just completely putting down archaeology.
02:52:27.000Archaeology has done a lot of fantastic and important work over the years, and I couldn't do what I do without the work that archaeologists have done.
02:52:35.000But it's just that gatekeeper role which needs to be broken apart.
02:52:40.000Well, through your work, I think that's happening.