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00:00:12.000That's not that's not physical it's like can you handle being in a Incredibly abstract place, and your brain doing shit it's never done before.
00:00:23.000Yeah, that seems to be what happens if people can't handle it, is just the resistance of it.
00:00:30.000Just like, no, no, no, and then that's the bad trip.
00:00:33.000Yeah, they say, like, surrender, and I've had...
00:01:25.000It's just, it all, the same shit happens, it doesn't matter where.
00:01:29.000I did a joke one time that every cult, at some point, the leader of every religious cult says, hey, God spoke to me and he says, I gotta fuck all your wives.
00:02:30.000It started out in Los Angeles, and this guy was, he would get his male disciples, and he would give them therapy, make them pay for therapy.
00:02:43.000It's like 50 bucks, and then he would fuck them.
00:02:58.000But it's just so sad, like, listening to these guys tell the story.
00:03:02.000It's like, there's some weird thing about human beings where they...
00:03:07.000They gravitate towards a big leader, towards someone who claims they have the answers and seems very confident and can speak reasonably well.
00:03:18.000There's almost like a cheat code where people just like, they get locked into that.
00:05:58.000When he bought television time, like primetime television time, he was like, I'll just buy it at home an hour and gave the networks money so that he could run his speech and talk about how you're getting fucked by the IRS. People at home were like,
00:06:36.000I don't even think, I think there's like a level that they just, people just don't want to talk to them.
00:06:42.000It's like people that aren't especially rich or sophisticated or any of the stuff that people think is great and they want to, that advertisers want to appeal to.
00:06:52.000They just, and then Ross Prove's like, look here!
00:09:34.000How much did that one decision that that one manager make cost Starbucks by changing their policy and allowing homeless people to just linger around and smell like shit?
00:09:46.000Did they officially change their policy?
00:09:54.000I read a thing last night that there's, it's like similar but different, where there's so many people quit working at hospitals that there's now incredibly long waits at hospitals,
00:11:21.000Because I feel like we all have, like, I don't like that, I don't like that, I don't like that.
00:11:25.000I don't know what the better solution would have been.
00:11:30.000Especially when you consider stuff like hospitals and quitting and deaths and triage, like, wherein at one point Wuhan was gonna, they built that hospital in a week, which America just can't do, shit like that.
00:11:42.000To me it was always a hospital bed issue.
00:12:12.000And, you know, and that's just obesity.
00:12:15.000Then you have these people that maybe they're not obese, but they have terrible blood pressure and they eat terrible food, their immune system's shot, you know.
00:13:07.000But the thing about COVID in that regard is that there's really no solution that made any sense.
00:13:16.000When there was no vaccine and the medications were confusing, it was hard to know what was real and what wasn't, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, and what about monoclonal antibodies and all these different things.
00:13:27.000And it was always never clear what did what.
00:13:30.000It's very dangerous whenever you have a new disease because you do have people trying these off-label medications, and some of them work and some of them don't, and then you have a lot of pressure from the companies that are producing vaccines because they want a binary solution because that's where all the cash is.
00:13:45.000And then you have the emergency use exemption, which the only way you get that emergency use exemption is if there is no treatment that's available that works.
00:13:55.000So if you are the person that's in charge and you stand to make untold billions of dollars from the vaccine, which they did, they suppress any information.
00:15:44.000And whenever the economy crashes like it did with that, you have all these other unforeseen side effects of that.
00:15:54.000And, you know, a big one is people's mental health and anxiety and, like, how is that going to affect the rest of their life?
00:16:00.000When someone works for 20, 30 years on a business and you have a business and it's up and running and it's getting by and you're making a profit and then all of a sudden the government comes along and says, you have to shut this business down.
00:16:12.000And maybe you've already had COVID and maybe you were one of the lucky ones where it wasn't that big of a deal and you got over it and you're like, okay, I got antibodies now, I'm not worried.
00:16:22.000And now the government tells you you can't work.
00:17:04.000It does have to be one size fits all, somewhat.
00:17:07.000Yeah, but you don't have to impose restrictions.
00:17:11.000You could tell people that these are the best suggestions in terms of what we should do to preserve health, but the reality of respiratory viruses is you cannot contain them.
00:18:02.000When you have a virus that spreads through people breathing on each other, it just burns through people.
00:18:09.000You know, if you have the option To be on a ranch, if you've got a ranch in Texas and you got all your food out there and water and you can just fucking stay by yourself for two years, yeah, you'll be okay.
00:18:23.000That's kind of what Howard Stern did, right?
00:18:49.000Like, I don't know what country did it well.
00:18:51.000Whenever I go Sweden and then you, all these things when you do, when you start clicking links, you're like, ah, it seems inconclusive or contradictory or, it always struck me as just we don't have the infrastructure for that many sick people.
00:19:47.000Well, imagine if you're a person who's dedicated yourself to healthcare work, and then they come along and say, you have to get vaccinated or you're getting fired.
00:19:55.000And you've just gone through the pandemic.
00:19:57.000You caught COVID. Maybe you caught it twice.
00:20:00.000I would also argue that there's that and then equal parts.
00:20:04.000I would argue more like that was a hard time to be a nurse before the vaccine.
00:20:21.000If you're fired because you're not willing to get vaccinated, why would you want to come back to that job if you could do something else?
00:20:27.000If you could find another way to make a living, you'd be like, this is a thankless, shitty place to work and they ultimately don't give a fuck about you.
00:20:35.000I have a friend who's a nurse and she was telling me how there's a weird coldness that some people in the medical profession get because they're just accustomed to people dying.
00:22:02.000Do you find when you're doing a broadcast and they go, we're going live, three, two, one, are you like, do you tighten up even a little bit or are you just aware?
00:26:07.000I went several months, March, April, May, June, July, probably five months, four or five months, and we did one weekend at the Houston Improv, but then I got really high, and I thought, oh my god, what if I get COVID and give it to everybody and a bunch of people die?
00:28:05.000Like, if I had to just do, like, if I already released a special, and then COVID came along, and then I hadn't done stand-up in six months, and then I'm doing, like, new stuff, oh, I'd be fucked.
00:31:21.000There's a way to do it where there's something appealing about it where if you don't have an opener, you just go like, yeah, the first two minutes will be a little bumpy, but whatever.
00:31:34.000Did you ever see Richard Pryor live, the one he filmed in Long Beach?
00:32:07.000I did like eight minutes, and then just like, hey, just touching base, and then I'm going to come out, and then it's actually better than having like, when Neil comes out, I need you guys to roar!
00:33:18.000Yeah, it was like, I could've fucking heard this the whole fucking...
00:33:22.000And that's the funny thing about doing a taping.
00:33:26.000It's a I was asking about stress because there was a point where the tape day I'm, you know, very involved in the production just because I can direct and I can do a bunch of stuff and I've done like my buddy Derek DelGaudio who's fucking excellent and has a show called In and of Itself on Hulu that's a magic show.
00:33:43.000I don't even like to call it a magic show.
00:33:44.000One of the best taped live shows you'll ever see.
00:34:25.000I had a funny observation, which is when you're, you know, when everybody gets the credit at the end, roll credits, if you get to give them all a grade.
00:36:16.000Anything, because they go like, he's a white guy, he's affiliated with black people, we're gonna play M&M! And I'm like, nope, nope, don't, please.
00:36:24.000So I'm like, play Kendrick Lamar, give him the song, give him the time, 10 seconds in, and the Atlanta show, for one, I came out to nothing.
00:39:32.000Like, there's only a few guys who did Netflix, or excuse me, Comedy Central specials, and just took off after 2000. You know, it was like, later, like, when you get to 2012, 2014, now you're dealing with streaming services,
00:39:48.000you're dealing with other things, and you just don't have as many people watching.
00:40:13.000It's new, so I think it's during, because if they're after, ain't nobody watching it.
00:40:18.000If they do it during shows, I will be very upset.
00:40:22.000I've heard that Shonda Rhimes and some of the people that have shows on there are a little bit pissed about It's like part of the reason they went to Netflix is because they wanted the shit to play the way they wanted to play.
00:40:36.000They lost a shitload of stock with the Chappelle thing.
00:40:59.000But it was also – there was a very big public response to the woke bullshit that they were pushing and the fact that they would entertain that that special was in any way transphobic to the point where they had – they had apologized to people for this – what was essentially like a love letter to a dead friend of his.
00:41:21.000To pretend that it was transphobic was fucking nonsense and a lot of people were upset about it I think it had and then Elon Musk talked about how so much of it was unwatchable Elon Musk talked about how it was unwatchable, the woke bullshit that's on there There was a narrative and that was exactly the time where it crashed Exactly the time where the stock crashed There was,
00:41:43.000unquestionably, there's a narrative that Netflix was fucking up.
00:41:48.000And then there was Cuties, that fucked up show that they did about little kids twerking and shit.
00:43:20.000Yeah, I just think it's a really well-made movie.
00:43:23.000That life is super dangerous now with fentanyl.
00:43:26.000It was dangerous back then to just be running around being a teenager doing drugs, but that life now is fucking horrendously dangerous.
00:43:36.000Yeah, that's the, you know, when somebody dies, you just go, ah, it's fentanyl.
00:43:42.000Like, now, if it's not Prince, or I'm sure the Aaron Carter kid who died recently, it'll be, if it's not directly fentanyl, it'll be drug use, long-term, you know.
00:44:29.000I'm gonna stop I'm have to take a break and I have to get Jodie Foster went to Yale I think the girl from Harry Potter went to school if you make it concerted effort to do something else to do something else and you have and this is a big one you have to hope your parents didn't fuck you Monetarily.
00:45:23.000Meaning you don't seem like you don't have a crazy family, you don't have a crazy, like, there's not a lot of people asking you for handouts that I'm aware of, obviously.
00:45:33.000I'm sure you get plenty of like, hey, do you think I could...
00:45:49.000You know, that you just are in a good situation.
00:45:52.000Like I did a thing with that guy Giannis Antetokounmpo, the basketball player, and he's Greek and like him and his brothers are all in the NBA. Or like they all are pro basketball players and it's like and I was talking I was like you're very lucky that you're all paid You're all like he doesn't have to worry about You know his brother it's like he doesn't have to worry about people That's
00:46:23.000a real drag that family stuff because it's a real drag because it's it can you feel Bad.
00:46:30.000You feel bad if you don't give it to them, and you feel bad if you do give it to them.
00:46:39.000There's always someone who wants something from you, and they're angling towards that, and maybe they're not doing it today, but maybe they're doing it and setting you up for something they want to do in the future, and you sense it, and you recognize that the conversation is very slanted.
00:47:16.000You get to be like the, come sit down, what do you need?
00:47:20.000Which I don't, I wouldn't, that doesn't appeal to me.
00:47:23.000And that that interaction of that status thing that like I need something from you and it just makes it not very human.
00:47:36.000It's not very human and you're never gonna have like real conversations with those people because they're not if you they think you're being a cunt they're never gonna tell you if they want something from them.
00:47:45.000So like you know if you're one of those guys that has like a bunch of sycophants that travel with you everywhere you go and they're always kissing your ass like you can get real delusional really quickly.
00:47:57.000Yeah and weirdly bitter even though you invite them.
00:48:04.000I was just talking to a friend who's a very successful touring comedian.
00:48:10.000And he was explaining to me how he's having problems with his opening acts being entitled and asking for things and getting things and doing things.
00:48:55.000That's the crazy part is like, you, it's the, I think Chris Rock did a joke about it where it's like, you, you give them money and then they're mad.
00:49:06.000And it's like, wait, what do you, because they, because you represent their failure, their inadequacies.
00:49:53.000You know, like the Meghan Markle's and fucking, I guess she's doing it now, but Prince Harry was doing one for a while and Bruce Springsteen and Obama were doing one for a while.
00:51:13.000I mean, if Obama just fucked around, if Obama did a podcast and he had sunglasses on like Tim Dillon, and he's just sitting back and he sparked up a joy.
00:51:21.000Let me tell you what I think about this electoral college bullshit.
00:52:02.000I mean, it's like you can kind of talk about whatever you want and that's part of your business model.
00:52:07.000If you're a person who is a former president of the United States, and you want to talk about getting your balls cradled, like, I just like the gentle cradling of the balls, just a gentle tickling, you know, no, no, no, no, no, you can't tell people that.
00:53:35.000It depends on what the Controversy is, but generally I don't read anything About me.
00:53:43.000I don't even now like it like if I see some article with some bullshit headline You know, I don't read it.
00:53:49.000I'm not reading things about I'm not interested in people's opinions of me It's like you can't take in all that that is not good for you And that's like a learning process took a while to figure that out And if you stay offline and just communicate with people that you know and you meet in normal,
00:54:11.000The problem that happens with people when they get locked up in a controversy is that they start Dwelling on all these different opinions on them and they start taking it in and considering it and wanting to argue it.
00:56:12.000And I liked it, and I was telling somebody last night, I was like, you know, I really liked it, and then I was like, but this isn't, that's not me.
00:56:38.000Obviously goes without saying took it off my phone again What?
00:56:42.000But and then I think about the the III could feel the like Like patch like being a cunt coming up in me.
00:56:50.000Just being like just being like well, yeah, I deserve it Just like and I'm and I'm I'm like a sore winner where I'm like you motherfuckers Like, I'm telling people off in my head, and just like, Mike Nichols,
00:57:06.000the director who was a comic, and he was Nichols and May, he said, being a performer, he transitioned to being just a director, and he said, being a performer brought out the baby in him.
00:57:18.000Where he'd say he would be, like, he'd notice who had the bigger dressing room.
00:57:26.000And I, obviously, it was 12 hours of being, I called myself a despot in exile, where I was, I'm like, in exile, and then I get, like, the country welcoming me back, and I'm like, there's gonna be some changes around here in 12 hours!
00:57:43.000I became a fucking monster and I thought about you and I thought about Dave and I thought about guys who, Chris, just people that are, it's Adam, like, big attention, a lot of positive attention pointed at you and you must at a certain point go,
00:58:02.000I have to make a very firm decision about this.
00:58:32.000But the idea that you should participate in their opinion when you don't even know these people, and you should take this in, and then some people treat it like gospel.
00:58:40.000Like, some people's confidence has been destroyed by someone telling them they suck.
00:58:45.000I mean, you really can fuck with some people's heads.
00:59:29.000Yeah, you reset your hierarchy of needs.
00:59:35.000Yeah, it's like I did a, I wrote a joke with Blake Griffin, the basketball player, one time where it was like, they're asking guys, they're interviewing guys after they've just, they're trying not to, they're trying to get oxygen to their brain.
00:59:49.000Like it's a bad time to do an interview.
00:59:53.000Well, I was doing interviews with people after they got knocked unconscious.
00:59:57.000And do you feel, are you kind of like, ah, do you not like it?
01:00:02.000It's not a good time to interview people.
01:02:18.000Where you're fucking exhausted and you want to just breathe and get your body back to like a regular, and you still have all that like exercise drain slash tingle.
01:03:15.000Like if you have – say if you're going on a hike in the mountains and you're going to backpack in and camp out and it's – 14 miles in, you have a 70-pound backpack because you have all your food, you have your bedding,
01:03:31.000you have a tent, you have all this shit on your back, you and your friends, and you're walking 13, 14 miles in.
01:04:38.000And if you can get there, it's a better place to be.
01:04:41.000You just make yourself resilient by just, it's like throwing the menace ball in your stomach and just fucking getting the fucking...
01:04:48.000Yeah, you're getting like mental, like if you have, if you're doing like endurance work on a bike, like doing sprints on one of those airdyne machines, you are, you are not capable of thinking of anything else.
01:05:00.000You're barely surviving those workouts.
01:05:46.000The boycotts and all that stuff because I don't I haven't spoken I don't know if you've spoken about it at all.
01:05:51.000It was They'd never experienced anything like that before so it was interesting to see how they would handle it.
01:05:56.000They handled it really well and you know again like when I made that video or the big one was like Neil Young and Joni Mitchell and When I made that video, one of the things I really wanted to get out there was a lot of the things they were saying were misinformation.
01:06:20.000And when I was talking about them, a lot of the things that I was talking about were already on the cover of Newsweek.
01:06:26.000Like, that was the one that masks don't work.
01:06:29.000Or, no, the cover of Newsweek was the lab leak hypothesis.
01:06:33.000And then on CNN they were saying cloth masks don't work.
01:06:36.000These are all things that I had read and talked to people about before.
01:06:41.000I'm like, you've got to recognize, like, what you're calling disinformation six months from now could be just accepted fact.
01:06:48.000And that's what we're seeing over and over and over again with this.
01:06:52.000So there was this, it was very strange to experience that because I could tell that this was not- But you also knew you couldn't get in the weeds.
01:07:00.000You couldn't even, it's not like- You can't get in the weeds.
01:07:16.000But if you feel like you didn't express yourself correctly, or if you feel like there's something more to say about it, definitely do that, too.
01:07:23.000But to counter all the different points of criticism, and also, that's a game dummies play.
01:07:29.000There's a dummy game, and that dummy game is attack you so that you have to respond back to them.
01:07:39.000And you only do it when you don't have other things to contribute.
01:07:44.000When people aren't really interested in your personality or your perspectives or the way you word things or talk about things, then you've got to just go start talking shit about people and starting shit with people and hope they respond.
01:07:55.000And there's like a whole ecosystem of people talking shit to each other and responding and then becoming friends.
01:10:33.000You just got to stop being like, hey, no, I know how this ends.
01:10:39.000You yell at me for nonsense, and then I plead my case, but once you're pleading your case, it's like you've already lost.
01:10:50.000When you get stuck in a relationship where the other person likes to just berate you and badger you and insult you, which can happen male or female, right?
01:14:21.000People that look at someone who's got money and you act like a predator and you get close to them and you pretend you like them and you date them and you fuck them.
01:14:32.000It's like a very high level of prostitution that people engage in.
01:14:36.000To me, it has a lot more to do with sociopathy.
01:19:32.000Well, there's ways that people teach people how to do all sorts of jobs, but there's no courses on gold digging.
01:19:39.000Like, if you could talk a girl through, like, real psychological manipulation, getting close to, like, decrepit old men with shit piles of money, you could make a lot of money.
01:19:50.000You think about every client, if you're a real estate agent, every client that you become friends with, and maybe they're going to buy a house in five years, maybe they're going to sell this house, maybe you make money on both those houses.
01:22:10.000It's like you remember when there's no baby, and then there's a baby, and then all of a sudden they're talking.
01:22:16.000It's like you're keeping up with their development, but you're not really developing that much.
01:22:21.000And you're just watching these creatures.
01:22:23.000I mean, you are, but not like they are.
01:22:26.000Like, they're learning how to talk and walk, and they're learning games, and they're playing sports, and they're doing different things.
01:22:33.000They're learning musical instruments and stuff, and you're like, whoa!
01:22:36.000You're watching these little sponges of information evolve and grow before you, and then the next thing you know, like, they're teenagers.
01:22:45.000And that experience, like, if you're not there, And see that experience, like watching a human being go from being a baby to being a young teenager, I don't think you're ever going to appreciate it.
01:23:02.000We like to think of people as static things.
01:23:06.000Where if I know you and you're 43 years old, I say, oh, Neil's always been 43. This is 43-year-old Neil.
01:23:13.000But I didn't know you when you were three days old.
01:23:16.000I didn't see this arc that you went through to get to where you are.
01:23:21.000So I think because of that and because we're so egocentric and we're worried about ourselves right now, We often see people like, this is how you've always been.
01:24:04.000But I think that that does aid in people's decision making.
01:24:08.000Like if you're a sister and you're the oldest sister and you have to babysit the younger one and you really like it and you like taking care of kids, well that's a good sign.
01:24:19.000But when you're watching your own kids grow and develop, it's like very eye-opening.
01:24:26.000It just makes you really take into account All the various factors that are involved in making a human being and developing a well-rounded, healthy human being.
01:24:58.000Well, I think you want your children to be able to make decisions for themselves, but it's like how many and how far?
01:25:05.000Like, at what point do you feel like, you know, you need to impose some guidance or some discipline if they do something fucked up, like if they break into your liquor cabinet and steal all your booze and their 13-year-old buddies are blacked out on the floor,
01:25:58.000Like, you just talk to them like they're a regular person, and instead of trying to talk to them like a little kid, I mean, I'm very loving, but I'll oftentimes have conversations with them.
01:26:10.000I'll try to explain things, like the way I can explain to an adult, and I try to get them to explain things to me.
01:26:17.000You know, in a sort of very expressive way.
01:26:32.000I've been doing that as if it's like all the things we sexualize, and I'm just in terms of women, and then I go like, she doesn't walk that way because she wants her ass to shake.
01:26:50.000When she was two, she just started walking that way.
01:29:35.000But what they're telling you is not true.
01:29:39.000And what they're telling you about this being misinformation, if you have someone on who wants to go into in-depth discussion about whether or not this is a gain-of-function research lab virus that got accidentally released onto the world, there's a lot of evidence points to that.
01:29:52.000But that shit would get you removed from YouTube just a year and a half ago.
01:30:25.000Because I've heard people argue against it, that they think it's a natural spillover, but the arguments against that argument are very compelling.
01:30:32.000Saying there's no animal model, that doesn't make any sense, and also, it's in the same fucking place where they had a COVID lab.
01:32:19.000It's not some secret fucking nefarious lab.
01:32:23.000It's just a thing that people do in science.
01:32:25.000Well, they give money To different labs for different research projects.
01:32:31.000And right when Fauci's leaving, he's retiring, he just gave another grant to the same people that they were accusing of doing this work.
01:32:40.000So that's your sort of premise on why?
01:32:47.000Because I'm still in the mind of like, okay, even when you say, because people gave money to it, is it just about like, don't pay these people?
01:34:55.000For lack of a better term, board, jury, some system in place for what is true and what is not true.
01:35:05.000And when I talk these things out to people, I always end up in like, we all agree that there needs to be some board, we can't agree on who should be on the board.
01:35:14.000How would you fucking do that with all the subjects?
01:35:19.000Think about all the different subjects, whether it's pop culture or fucking entertainment or technology or medicine.
01:35:27.000How many different experts would you have to employ to make sure that everything everyone says is true?
01:35:34.000I think a better solution is mind reading.
01:35:39.000And I think we're probably way closer to that.
01:35:44.000They're gonna come out with that Neuralink thing, and along with it, as it improves, and there's a bunch of different human neural interface computer things they're working on, different companies they're working on.
01:36:02.000I think it's gonna be one of those things where the benefit of having it is gonna be so huge, and it's gonna really fuck with this whole haves and have-nots thing.
01:36:10.000Because the people that get access to it quicker in the beginning, if it really does increase— What do you see this machine doing?
01:36:17.000The way Elon describes it is increasing the bandwidth in which you can access information.
01:36:23.000And he said, you're literally going to be able to talk without words.
01:36:37.000The question is if someone gets that and they become really the next stage of human evolution and you're left behind, are you cool with that?
01:37:11.000But that just keeps you as a healthy human being.
01:37:14.000What this is going to do is turn you into a new thing.
01:37:17.000If you can get something that actually increases your intelligence, increases your capacity to think, to calculate, to access information, that it's all in your mind anytime you want it, and through whatever kind of interface they develop,
01:37:33.000if that becomes real, you'll have such a massive advantage in business and all these different things that require calculations and Well, that's like the AI thing.
01:38:48.000Like it's going to get to the point where there's, if there's an, that art thing, the one that won the competition, it's a fucking really nice painting or whatever the fuck you call it.
01:43:11.000Put all the information of human history into an AI. All human psychology, outcomes, and it would be the competition of, well, what, are we doing Howard Zinn's History of America?
01:43:24.000Are we doing the textbook's History of America?
01:43:28.000All of the, that's where the fight would be.
01:43:31.000But that, to me, is getting to the point of, like, There's a lot of fucking human error, and it's a lot of dumb, he's tall shit that could be prevented by some form of...
01:43:45.000I mean, I guess it's artificial, but I don't know.
01:43:49.000What do you think a robot president would do about Ukraine?
01:46:13.000No one was ever saying NATO was going to invade Russia.
01:46:15.000What they were saying was that by them moving their missiles closer to Russia, it made an initial first attack much more convenient, and it also violated the treaty that they signed.
01:46:34.000It was like there was an agreement somewhere around, I want to say 94 or something like that, where they discussed making sure that Well, what's funny is the counter is...
01:48:22.000And then there's a super, it's like, it's a bit like self-driving where it's like, self-driving, I don't believe it will happen because self-driving algorithms will have to decide, run over the old person or the baby?
01:49:14.000Like what a fucking pain it wouldn't Everybody is freaking out.
01:49:18.000What a hair suit that is to put on apparently like a lot of people have left but more people have come on and Yeah, I don't know what their expectation is.
01:49:29.000Well, I don't know what their expectation is either.
01:49:32.000But what he wanted to do was have a place where people could actually debate things and talk about things and not worry about being censored just because you have a different political philosophy.
01:49:43.000You have different perspectives on worldviews and events and things.
01:50:18.000What if the advertisers decide they don't want to use you anymore because they're not confident of their products being advertised on a website where people don't have restrictions on what they can say?
01:52:00.000Well, it's also, it's like, you know, we're talking about the negativity of reading comments, and even the positive comments are probably not good for you.
01:52:10.000And I think it applies to everyone with 149 million Twitter followers.
01:52:14.000You're interacting with too many minds.
01:52:16.000As smart as he is, and he's probably the smartest man alive, I don't know if anyone has the capacity to be normal while interacting with that many people.
01:52:27.000Online and like reading tweets and responding to tweets and and take I just I think he lives in an extreme world meaning wealth Input yeah, he's got a probably not even probably he's got an extreme brain.
01:54:22.000That same personality that makes music to just powerful, bang, bang, bang, that coming out with just words, it's like sometimes the wrong words come out and then you have to defend those wrong words.
01:54:33.000It's like how much reading and thinking are you doing on these subjects and how much you're just used to espousing your opinions on things with full confidence all the time.
01:55:12.000In some ways, I think, with Kyrie Irving and Kanye, I told somebody it's like algorithmic personality disorder, where you start off a little, and then you go, right, eh, further right,
01:55:27.000further right, further right, because you watch.
01:58:57.000Amazon said the film did undergo review before becoming available online, though it declined to provide details of the review and how it concluded that the film did not violate the prohibition on hate speech.
01:59:26.000Mr. Irving tweeted a link to Amazon for a documentary called Hebrews to Negroes.
01:59:34.000Hebrews to Negroes wake up black America, which includes extensive anti-Semitism, such as claims that Jews control the media and that millions of Jews did not die during the Holocaust.
02:00:58.000It was more like an independent bookstore, like a weird kind of hippie, and they'd have a UFO book, and they'd have a DMT book, and they'd have a Bigfoot book, and it's basically your podcast.
02:03:42.000Because that seems to be the argument whenever – because people go, I don't think – I think Alex Jones should be able to say whatever he wants.
02:03:49.000I think whoever can say whatever they want and then they – and we have to let the chips fall where they may because I don't trust any human being to be in charge of this.
02:04:00.000So we just have to see where this takes us.
02:04:04.000Because there was a thing with WhatsApp, for example, owned by Meta, Mark Zuckerberg, and there was a thing.
02:04:14.000There's a lot of misinformation on WhatsApp.
02:04:52.000They posed as fans of pop stars and national heroes as they flooded Facebook with their hatred.
02:05:00.000One said Islam was a global threat to Buddhism.
02:05:02.000Another shared a false story about the rape of a Buddhist woman by a Muslim man.
02:05:06.000The Facebook posts were not from everyday internet users.
02:05:10.000Instead, they were from Myanmar military personnel who turned the social network into a tool for ethnic cleansing.
02:05:17.000According to former military officials, researchers, and civilian officials in the country.
02:05:23.000That's another problem with social media, is that there's a very distinct real number, whatever the number is, where those accounts aren't real.
02:05:33.000Whatever the number is, they know that hundreds of thousands of them Are fake and come from these Russian troll farms and there's people that use them to manipulate you with with Businesses and I mean even Howard Stern was calling for that remember there was that video that came out about him or saying hey make a bunch of fake Twitter accounts and and text and tweet to celebrities right and that's you know,
02:05:59.000it's like Donald Rumsfeld said that's the cost of living in a free society freedom's messy the question is is The you read more that people got fucking yeah thousands people maybe tens of thousands yeah based on fake posts yeah,
02:06:16.000what's what I'm saying is like There's all sorts of ways people manipulate social media.
02:06:23.000The fact that you could just communicate to people, like, instantaneously, it's really magical, pretty amazing.
02:06:30.000But the problem that comes along with that is that you're going to get people manipulating it, and you're going to get people that can really have a great deal of impact on the way people see and think about things.
02:06:43.000And you could do that for your own best interest or you could do that like they did it and slaughter a bunch of people.
02:06:49.000You could do that to try to make people aware of a situation, to sell a product, to do it.
02:06:56.000But the bottom line is- Or say elections were stolen.
02:08:33.000If you did have an account, if it only cost you eight bucks, To create a whole new account, and you use that account for propaganda, and you could- Money well spent.
02:09:35.000You know, Alex says that they're crisis actors in Connecticut, and then those families' lives are ruined three times worse than they would have been ruined.
02:10:01.000There's free speech absolutists, and there's people that are willing to forgive people for past mistakes, and there's people that will never forgive you for anything, and they want you punished and removed from the air if you made a mistake, or if you say something incorrect, or if you, you know...
02:10:56.000So many people are going to know people's secret feelings about them, or know their intentions, or know that they'll have a plan to stay with you for seven years and then take you to the cleaners.
02:11:54.000This is like an unprecedented influx of information and people are kind of handling it.
02:11:59.000You know, the one thing they're doing is they're distrusting corporate news sources that have been lying to them over and over and over again.
02:14:35.000Whoever came up with that data knew that wasn't true.
02:14:41.000They're admitting that they never even tested it.
02:14:44.000I'm with you that there's a lot of hopeful...
02:14:47.000Did you see the conversation where that woman was having with a Pfizer CEO where they asked her whether or not they tested it to prevent infection?
02:15:16.000People are engaging with independent people, whether it's Glenn Greenwald or Matt Taibbi, independent journalists, that will tell you what they really feel about things.
02:15:26.000And that is what's emerging from this confusion that's promising to me.
02:15:32.000That's going to have its own pitfalls, though, which is it's just a different bias.
02:16:15.000For being biased and being woke and all the horseshit that they say, when they know it's like at least partially inaccurate, when they do that, it diminishes their value as the most important news sources in the world.
02:16:32.000Yeah, it's human bias and fucking, yeah, it's just, that's where, whether it's Jimmy or Jimmy Dore or Glenn Greenwald or any of these people...
02:16:42.000Yeah, they all have biases and it's...
02:18:38.000So they have a very specific narrative when it comes to this thing where they're not trusting that you can make good decisions.
02:18:44.000They want to guide you in a very specific direction.
02:18:50.000Of ideology or because of a corporation or multiple corporations that are behind the advertising for that show, which is most certainly the case on television, they get Suspicious.
02:19:02.000They don't want to listen to you anymore.
02:19:03.000They'll take some information like, oh look, there's a bomb went off over there.
02:20:11.000Civilization, there's gonna be some thing, and there is, at this point, there's gonna be some mechanism of guidance, whether it's the government, the church, media.
02:21:04.000And you could blame it on a religion...
02:21:07.000But I think the thing about having some sort of a structure, and most importantly moral and ethical, like the way you treat each other, the way you talk to each other, like, you know, what you're trying to do in life, I know a lot of Christians that are like the nicest people.
02:21:22.000If they're real Christians, if they're like real, practicing, believing Christians, some of the most charitable- You name any religion and I know a lot of people that are- Exactly.
02:24:47.000Hilarious characters, but they were fucking...
02:24:50.000Like, high-level trolling people in a way that one of the posts that was made, the only way someone could get access to it, like, was when the forum got shut down.
02:25:02.000So the forum comes back up and this post is up there.
02:25:05.000Like, how the fuck does this guy have access to it before everybody else unless he's this kid who's running the forum?
02:25:16.000Yes, and January 6th, just like all this shit, you got light, and you get someone that can benefit from it, a human actor, a malicious human actor, and it can create...
02:25:34.000Right, well, and if you watch the January 6th stuff, you know the story about the guy who was most likely some sort of a government agent who's trying to talk people into going in?
02:26:47.000So these people are out there and you get a guy who's like this big, brawny, powerful, fucking manly looking man, this government agent guy.
02:26:55.000He's telling me, we gotta fucking go in there.
02:26:57.000You're like, yeah, we gotta go in there.
02:27:00.000And you go in there because this guy tells you to go in there.
02:29:20.000So do you think it's like a negligible number?
02:29:22.000Do you think, like, how much voter fraud is there?
02:29:25.000I'm of the mind that it's negligible in that every time I read, again, I'm reading, so who, but I don't, but I've never been in an election where people are like, I didn't fucking vote for that part.
02:29:37.000I've never been compelled to think that an election was rigged.
02:29:42.000I remember that HBO documentary, Hacking Democracy, where they took these—I think they were Diebold—make sure that's true.
02:29:50.000I think they were Diebold computers, and they found out that there was a third-party ability to enter third-party data that they could utilize, and they could affect the outcome.
02:29:58.000So they ran a study, or they ran a test with this machine where they manipulated it, and they got different results than they should have gotten.
02:30:06.000They got results where it favored the client that this program was set up to do.
02:31:34.000But yeah, but you should be rational about it.
02:31:37.000And what you're saying makes a lot of sense.
02:31:39.000The other thing that makes sense is what's interesting about that documentary, Hacking Democracy, that was all about the Bush administration.
02:31:46.000That was all about the Republicans having to vote because that was – I believe that company was a large contributor to the campaign.
02:31:54.000So I think that was what they were worried.
02:31:57.000The owners of that company had a vested interest in the Republicans winning.
02:32:26.000There's so much of an incentive for someone to do something.
02:32:29.000If you are a person who's very invested in politics, so much so that you're working for a polling place, you know, and you're like really, you know, hardcore one way or another, hardcore right wing, hardcore left wing, if you can get away with shit, I'm sure you're going to do it.
02:32:44.000But the question is, like, how many can get away with it?
02:32:46.000And whether or not that actually can affect elections.
02:32:49.000And like, what about provisional ballots?
02:32:53.000What about people that don't have ID? What about people that are here illegally and vote because they feel like that's the trade-off for being able to be allowed into the country?
02:33:03.000That's the argument about why they're letting so many people into this country.
02:33:27.000When people talk about this sort of not legacy media, not legacy information streams, you're a big part of it,
02:33:42.000and it's funny to hear that you're like I'm just trying to figure it out like everybody else.
02:33:48.000I think everybody is trying to do that.
02:33:50.000It's just you should be allowed to do that.
02:33:52.000The problem is everybody wants to come to a conclusion when they're not necessarily sure.
02:33:56.000It's more convenient to have like a clear conclusion.
02:33:59.000And there's a problem too when there's a narrative that floats around and if you question that narrative like you're a kook or you're a bad person or you're a conspiracy theorist or you're contributing in some sort of a negative way.
02:34:10.000I do not like the idea of forced compliance.
02:34:12.000I do not like the idea of buying into a narrative.
02:34:16.000And as soon as I'm asked to do that...
02:34:18.000But that's a thing that didn't really exist before the internet.
02:34:25.000Not the idea of forced compliance, but just like, I don't know, this is what we're doing.
02:34:30.000Like, and then it became kind of weaponized of like, you're a sheep and you're, it's like where I say like, I believe most of what's in the New York Times, you sheep ass bitch.
02:34:39.000I don't necessarily agree with you because even during the Vietnam War, that was an issue.
02:34:43.000I mean, that was the division of society in the Vietnam War is that people knew that the Vietnam War was bullshit and they knew that they were being fed bullshit by the government and they're sending human bodies over there to just to go and die.
02:34:56.000Yeah, you're absolutely right about that.
02:34:57.000And that changed culture in its very radical way because people just rejected all the norms of society.
02:35:04.000And this also came about the same time as the introduction of LSD. So people are doing acid and they're tripping and they just want to drop out of society.
02:36:05.000And the thing is, like, you shouldn't be expected to get the news in an hour, especially today, because you're dealing with the news of eight billion people simultaneously, and you're only hearing the bad stuff.
02:36:13.000You're hearing the bad stuff about typhoons and fucking hurricanes and a new disease and an Animal attack and a lady got ate by a crocodile and you're just never gonna sleep.
02:36:23.000It's coming at you 24-7 all the time and some of it's bullshit and you got to figure out what's what and what's not and you know in some ways you can leave that to other people and but the problem is then some of those people aren't real and then you find out some of those people are hired government misinformation agents that are designed to push a very specific narrative to get people talking about things online.
02:40:06.000I mean, if you're like a small Lutheran church and you serve the community and you put on charities and do a bunch of great things and you're like a real asset to the community, there's a lot of those churches and they should be tax exempt.
02:40:17.000Other than the Sea Org slave shit, I don't care about Scientology.
02:40:44.000But the rest of it, I don't care about.
02:40:46.000The rest of it's not any different to me than any other religion.
02:40:49.000It seems like it's real similar to what goes on in a lot of religions, in a sense, because there's a lot of religions that force people to work as missionaries, and there's a lot of religions that ask things of people, and you have to tithe 10%.
02:41:01.000And have kids and don't use birth control.
02:41:34.000And it's not I mean, again, this is what I experienced, so it's not true or false, but that's your central creation force that I experienced.
02:42:53.000I mean, dude, even when I was here last time, I wasn't totally recovered.
02:42:59.000I feel like there's some sort of trend in life and in the cosmos of things getting more complex and, you know, I'm not the first person to point this out either, but with human beings in particular,
02:43:17.000Everything is about technological innovation and things becoming more and more complex and information being more and more accessible and being more and more connected with each other.
02:43:28.000It seems like a really really obvious trend and if you play that trend out You know a thousand years a hundred thousand years a million years like where where is that going?
02:43:40.000And is that going on all over the universe?
02:44:32.000So far past what we were, like, not even worried about...
02:44:36.000Like fucking or war or any of that stuff.
02:44:38.000It's like, dude, it's just about this energy field that I couldn't make heads or tails of in terms of like we're supposed to.
02:44:49.000Well, if you think of amoebas, if you think of single-celled organisms, they eventually become multi-celled organisms, they develop the ability to move around, and they come on shore, and they evolve and change, and this goes on forever and ever and ever.
02:45:34.000I think we probably all are a version of that in comparison to this ultimate thing that we're going to become.
02:45:40.000If we do keep evolving, if evolution is a real thing, and it did go from single-celled organisms to what we see now in human beings, if you just keep going, that should get to some place of impossible Energy and power and maybe the universe itself like maybe that's what it's made out of maybe that's how we make things like stars and Maybe the universe itself is born out of this and we're just this really tiny
02:46:10.000stage This amoeba like stage that will ultimately become the God force of the universe.
02:46:16.000Maybe that's our ultimate Transition between a physical being into this thing of energy and love and light and power and indifference in many ways to our own plights because it's necessary to achieve this purpose.
02:46:31.000Like all of our bullshit and maybe all of our struggles and maybe all of our debates about things and trying to figure out what's white and what's wrong and whose philosophy is correct and whose behavior is correct.
02:46:41.000Maybe all of that is just trying to get us to that ultimate stage where we're going to be and that's what happens everywhere in the universe.
02:46:48.000That's the universe creating itself everywhere all over the place when things get and they have a certain amount of Troubles that they have to deal with whether it's tribal invasions or super volcanoes and Figure it out get to a point where you can become the next thing Yeah,
02:47:06.000I mean on and on and on and on and on forever.
02:47:09.000Yeah, I mean that's I would if my Especially my Emmy my five MEO Experience was about having no sense of order whatsoever Meaning I was an amoeba.
02:47:26.000I didn't know fucking Anything yeah, and I was I was drowning on I don't know any I don't know what a thought is and It was really incredibly difficult.
02:48:04.000The human animal is like working out in this new territory that we're dealing with, with the internet and with the connection that we have now and the awareness that we have to all the potential dangers of the world and the cosmos and like we're constantly inundated with new threats.
02:48:21.000You know, the economy is collapsing, the fucking global warming, Jesus Christ, and overpopulation, and it's like never ends.
02:48:30.000And it's constantly like getting into your mind.
02:48:33.000And I think that's a stressor and a test.
02:48:35.000And I think the human animal has to figure out how to navigate this world and become better at it.
02:48:43.000And then as it evolves and changes and grows, it's eventually going to be normal.
02:48:47.000And it's not normal for us because we grew up without it.
02:50:47.000Look, I think banning people for using his picture as a parody and saying he likes to drink his own pee, not a good look for all this free speech stuff.
02:50:59.000But the idea behind the free speech absolutist mentality is that there's no place where people can have these discussions and exchange these ideas.
02:51:11.000Without there being extreme bias for one political party and about how that's dangerous for democracy.
02:52:17.000Trackable definition and that's also it's not real.
02:52:20.000Yeah, and that's the that's the thing with even with free speech is like There's so it's like a multi-tentacled it's an octopus with fucking a hundred and thirty two tentacles and yeah like it is It's contradictions and yeah,
02:52:38.000but yeah, but and you're like yeah, this is I I don't know the solution Yeah, I don't think there's a clear solution and I think that's part of the work that we have to do.
02:52:48.000We have to work things through and figure things out and I think that people that you can count on to tell you the truth are very important.
02:52:55.000I think more of those will emerge and I think that'll replace these corporate control things as long as they can stay actually independent because that's one of the things that happens to politicians where politicians are all about for the people and then they get in there and then you got to play ball.
02:53:11.000Yeah, everybody has to kind of play ball.
02:53:13.000I mean, in some ways, it's like you wouldn't have had to do that if you were not on Spotify.
02:53:18.000You wouldn't have had to make those videos.
02:53:19.000No, I wouldn't have to talk to Neil Young.
02:53:22.000But do you know the reason why I did that Neil Young one in particular, because I wanted to tell that story about how I quit my job as a security guard because of a Neil Young consequence.
02:54:21.000We had a climate guy in yesterday that says, yes, the climate's bad, but there's a lot of things that are worse, and everyone's kind of overreacting to this world being very myopic in our viewpoint, and we really need to look at this in terms of there's a lot of problems that we could create a lot less death and a lot less suffering in the world.
02:54:39.000We focused on them And there's also solutions that are being implemented that they think is going to mitigate the effects of climate change.
02:54:47.000So this conversation is like so long and so complex, and most people don't have the time to sort through it.
02:54:54.000And if you do, you don't have an expert to talk to, so then you're forced to go just try to read shit online.
02:55:33.000Yeah, I mean, and then you have, if you have family members that you're close to, and you're helping them out with things, and then you have friends that have problems, you have calls you have to make, you know, where's your time?
02:55:45.000How do you have the time to go research whether or not QAnon's real?
02:55:47.000Like, how do you have the fucking time?
02:57:42.000The problem is you're going to institute this beautiful utopia in the middle of Seattle and buildings you don't own that you took over through force.
02:57:48.000So what the fuck is going to stop you from...
02:57:50.000How are you going to protect yourself from a bigger group, a more powerful group that takes it?
02:59:00.000It's not like the guy's saying, hey, I'm gonna go blow up this fucking building, and then they swapped his bomb out for a fake one, and then, you know, it was his plan.
02:59:07.000This would be an amazing TV show that we cannot never make.
03:00:11.000If the government had full control and they could just tweet whatever they wanted to and not get fact-checked, which they kind of have been able to do before, If they do that, and they're the ones in charge of information, and they can say what can and cannot be said, they'll decide in their best interest.
03:00:26.000That's why you can't give it to people that are in power.
03:00:29.000And it's better, although it's chaotic as fuck, to give it and leave it to the people.
03:00:35.000It's better than giving it to people that are in power, because all they would have to do Is institute some sort of a social credit score system, which would be easy to talk gullible people into doing.
03:00:45.000And next thing you know, everything is tied into this in terms of what you can do and not do, what you can say and not say.
03:00:51.000And every time you say something that's out of line, you lose social credit score.
03:02:18.000It's just, what we're ordering for is just the wrong, we're ordering for more people, more commerce, more, more, more, more, more, instead of like, moderation, protect the tribe, this is about the right amount of people we should have,
03:02:34.000we'll respect the earth, we'll respect the, but it's just, you just need an order, it's just multiple, it's like multipliers that are so far out of control.
03:03:04.000And some people are losing their fucking minds because of it.
03:03:07.000And I maintain that the people that are engaging primarily in online discussions, like online tweeting and online Facebooking, they're the people that are really losing their minds the most because it's a super unnatural way to interact with the world.
03:03:20.000But ironically, I see Glenn, I see Jimmy, I see Matt Tate, I see those guys as some of the biggest American gladiators in that regard.
03:03:34.000Which is a bit of like, how do you have the time for all this shit?
03:03:37.000But I guess that's part of their job, I guess you would say.
03:03:40.000Part of their job is to interact with these ideas and talk to people.
03:03:42.000Because they have to develop an online following on these social media platforms in order to get out their work.
03:06:07.000Like Jon Stewart's a good example, right?
03:06:11.000I remember, maybe I told him I heard this, but at a certain point he used to say like, I'm on after robots, I'm on after battle bots, I'm on.
03:06:22.000He would just kind of poo-poo that he was an information source.
03:06:26.000And then at a certain point, I think he realized, like, fuck, alright, this is a bit of a responsibility, and I need fact checkers.
03:06:36.000There's a guy who works at The Daily Show named Chods, who's like the fact checker guy, and he'll go like, actually, if you're writing a thing, he'll go like, that's not true, that's not true, that's not true, right?
03:07:51.000And whenever people form these boards, I think they try to form one of Facebook, and I remember a lot of people like Scott Galloway and Kara Swisher kind of rolling their eyes about, like, these fucking people.
03:09:30.000And this guy, Bjorn Lomborg, his assertion is that what we need to do is take care of all these people economically, and that the people that are dying in these places are people that don't have access to air conditioning, don't have access to refrigeration.
03:09:43.000And if we raise them up economically, then you could solve most of those people dying.
03:10:16.000Yeah, he actually talked about that and actually showed the deaths of malaria dying dropping down considerably because of medication because of modern medicine and So there's, you know, I think his really interesting point is that there's a lot of other things that are really bad that we should be concentrating on as well.
03:10:33.000And we're very narrow-minded in our focus on this.
03:10:36.000And it becomes the cause of the day and everybody like, you have to be all on board with this.
03:10:41.000And if you really wanted to save lives, he's like, there's a lot of other things that we could do and we can implement very quickly and easily and save lives.
03:10:47.000And we also would probably elevate people economically, which would in turn allow them to have Measures in place to protect them from environmental situations like extreme heat and drought and things like that and he thinks a lot of it can be done with innovation.
03:11:32.000He's saying, like, there's these places that have, like, they're completely economically disenfranchised and they're fucked and they have no hope and there's no options.
03:11:39.000If we created options in those places and helped, you know, were incentivized to help these people, then their way of life would improve radically.
03:11:50.000And as their way of life improves radically and the economy improves radically, you have way less deaths.
03:11:55.000You have way less deaths from disease, way less deaths from crime, way less deaths from a lot of these things.
03:12:11.000He was like, none of these solutions are easy, but these are other things that we should be...
03:12:16.000If our concern is quality of life and raising up people's quality of life and giving them more of a chance to live, making life safer for them, making things easier for them, he's like, this is a good way to go about doing that.
03:12:28.000And in turn, it will greatly reduce the deaths.
03:12:33.000And these are all preventable deaths, and we can greatly reduce those.
03:12:37.000And it's a real cause and effect thing.
03:13:16.000Yeah, and to fuck up the earth like this, Ah, what a fucking shame.
03:13:22.000Well, it's obviously short-sighted and it's obviously people that started doing things a long time ago that they didn't give a fuck about the future or the other people that I deal with the consequences or they didn't realize it was causing those consequences.
03:13:35.000He was a little flippant about fracking.
03:13:37.000I was like, man, they seem to read a lot about the pollution that's caused by fracking.
03:14:25.000These Europeans and Russians and all these people from other countries were dumping toxic waste off their shores, and it killed all their fish.
03:15:08.000The narrative that we always got is, oh, Somali pirates, they're taking that cat stuff, which is like some crazy amphetamine, natural amphetamine.
03:15:19.000They're just jacked up on meth, robbing people.
03:16:35.000Why did you want, did you just have a vision creatively or is this how it started coming together?
03:16:40.000Because I'm pretty good at writing that kind of heavy shit, and I talk about mental health stuff and people like when I talk about it, so it just seemed like a use of things I can do.
03:16:55.000Like, I'm good at that, and I'm good at that.
03:16:58.000So let me just kind of mix them into a...